The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1188

00:00:00.000 hello everyone welcome to the podcast of the lotus eaters today is tuesday the 17th of june

00:00:11.240 2025 and i'm your host elios and i'm joined today by dan the man and firas hello right and we are

00:00:21.000 going to discuss whether invading iran is part of america first the assisted suicide bill moving

00:00:28.660 through parliament and we ponder whether anything ever happens and whether actually nothing ever

00:00:34.420 happens or not so basically that's it let's enjoy dan shall we go to let's do that invading iran

00:00:42.180 well i don't think we should but yes um so in this video i wanted to ask a simple question that is

00:00:48.400 what is america first and is america allowing itself to get dragged into a war with iran

00:00:55.500 part of that agenda good questions yes good question i think um there are some people who

00:01:01.380 think they know um national review um when trump first uh sort of emerged onto the political scene

00:01:07.680 you know you had a whole bunch of neocons come out as against trump never trumpers who've been bashing

00:01:15.080 him for his agenda very much his foreign policy his unwillingness to get involved in forever wars

00:01:24.120 that has probably been the issue which they have hated the most funnily enough these guys uh this

00:01:30.800 week um suddenly find themselves in raucous agreement with trump um now that he's making noises about

00:01:37.120 maybe we should do something like invade iran um you know suddenly the people who have been you know

00:01:42.160 had the daggers in his back this entire time are suddenly coming on board and the base seems to be

00:01:47.760 going the other way war is good pieces for yes to be honest i i don't i'm not entirely certain that

00:01:55.140 the base is going the other way but i want to see what where it is the base is divided on it because

00:02:02.160 you know there is a certain amount of base that will you know remain consistent to the the maga

00:02:06.660 themes um and then there were those who just go with whatever's on fox news at the time

00:02:11.260 so there is that um national review is not a publication i recommend however um there are

00:02:18.700 some good uh writing out there and uh our colleague luca has started his new series on the on the

00:02:24.540 lotus eaters chronicles where he takes a famous text the sort of thing that you really should have read

00:02:28.960 but you haven't uh and he breaks it down for you so that you can pretend to be slightly more

00:02:33.060 intelligent than you actually are by making it look like you actually know this stuff so go and check

00:02:36.900 out this uh this new series um yeah back back to the point about america first though i'm not an

00:02:42.920 american um but i have been a vocal supporter of trump's since he came down the escalator and that's

00:02:49.540 because i agree with what maga is trying to do um even recently when there was a lot of people on the

00:02:56.340 right basically having a pop at trump for his work on tariffs i continue to support him throughout all of

00:03:02.800 that because it aligns with the maga agenda just to be clear what is the maga agenda well it's it's

00:03:08.780 american first national sovereignty so it's things like secure the border end immigration deport um

00:03:15.940 push back on globalist influence you know things like the un and the wef and nato overreach and stuff

00:03:21.660 like that uh build the wall of port of course um you know i support all of that kind of thing so

00:03:26.780 american first national sovereignty is one second one is is economic nationalism yes you know that's

00:03:31.920 things like um you know protect domestic industry uh working class americans from globalization and

00:03:37.640 outsourcing and bad trade deals the tariff stuff it's energy independence it's um you know drill baby

00:03:44.280 drill um tax cuts deregulation all that kind of stuff it's it's an explicit rejection of the

00:03:51.300 clinton bush obama consensus the globalization consensus and the third aspect of course of maga is end the

00:04:00.260 forever wars you know um costly unwinnable um foreign interventions that benefit very much the military

00:04:10.860 industrial complex but basically drags you into wars that okay you might be able to win kinetically the

00:04:16.460 initial phase of it but then you'll get bogged down in an insurgency for decades yes after that um and the view

00:04:23.920 was for maga that these endless war interventions serve the elites but not the people yes which i think

00:04:31.640 is very fair and the neocons hate every aspect of maga every aspect of it they want open borders they

00:04:38.240 want cheap labor you know they want to be part of globalist institutions they like running a big

00:04:45.760 government and the debt it serves their interests very well and they especially especially out of all of

00:04:52.120 those things they want to always be at war with someone very important part of the agenda and the

00:04:58.520 people have been strongly opposed to maga and trump throughout um they're the ones who are clamoring at

00:05:05.420 the moment for the us to be deeply involved in a conflict with iran and the argument is always when

00:05:13.280 we try and get into some of this is always a rehashing of the second world war it's like always you

00:05:17.040 know the bad guy is always hitler anyone who says oh hold on a minute is this a guy dude he's always

00:05:22.720 chamberlain um and and the line that they're going with is you know that the mullahs are bad and hate

00:05:28.740 america okay that is true that is definitely true but the thing is there's no shortage of bad people in

00:05:36.540 the world who hate america not just that if you go around bombing iran and dismantling its uh industrial

00:05:44.840 capabilities and so on firstly they're going to hate you more secondly they're going to end up

00:05:51.500 walking into europe and neither of those outcomes are sort of a good foreign policy objective no

00:06:02.080 they're not but i think that the mega response to the danger of migration flows to europe is stable and

00:06:10.420 it's sensible it's it they're your own borders guard them yes which is also true that's the the

00:06:16.440 mega i think the mega position with respect to european migration flows to europe and then i want

00:06:21.140 to say two things about what you're saying because the mega all these things you said they're a bit

00:06:27.940 abstract and they cannot not be in a sense because everyone comes forward and says well economic

00:06:33.880 nationalism is what i make of it that's what nationalism in economics um entails and i think

00:06:40.160 that the basic issue is that it's it's neither it doesn't have to be either neocon or the mega you are

00:06:47.860 presenting as the ideal one because for instance when mega was being against globalism i don't think

00:06:55.880 it was against global trade it was against a global trade that left american industry significantly

00:07:02.500 backwards so it's not necessarily against trade and also when it comes to geopolitics i don't think

00:07:09.060 it's uh the america first is not we don't it is yes we don't want to be dragged into forever wars

00:07:14.820 but it's not let's isolate entirely the geopolitical context and think that the entire world is the u.s

00:07:22.560 and focus just on this because and it could be the case first of all there's a big question as to

00:07:28.140 what exactly trump is doing now whether he is about to invade or he is increasing the pressure

00:07:33.860 to the mullahs to to to surrender that's that's a big question and there is the thing that you know

00:07:41.980 there's a peace through strength narrative that sometimes you have to be very aggressive in order

00:07:47.060 to achieve peace because you have to make the other side be very scared of you well and trump was

00:07:51.340 never a pacifist wouldn't would neither the u.s nor iran started this current conflict yes and

00:07:57.980 they're never going to make iran surrender the only way you can get regime change is boots on the ground

00:08:04.760 yes you can bomb them they're just going to get bombed um you know that that that would just be

00:08:10.320 what happens if you want regime change you either need to an internal insurgency now maybe i will admit

00:08:16.740 maybe there's a clever play going on here but there is a active well-armed well-supported iranian

00:08:23.680 counter-revolutionary force that is you know ready to pounce maybe that's a play i've never heard

00:08:30.220 anything like that i don't know if that is the case maybe maybe and if if that turns out to be what's

00:08:34.500 going on then i'll say fair play got it right but it's probably going to end up if you if you well if

00:08:41.440 you want a regime change you have to put boots on the ground yes you're just not going to get around

00:08:45.460 there trump used to get this and this this was a tweet from him in in 2019 the united states has

00:08:50.980 spent eight trillion dollars um fighting and policing in the middle east thousands of our

00:08:55.220 great soldiers have died or been badly wounded millions have died on the other side going into

00:08:59.900 the middle east is the worst decision we ever made so the question for me is not and people who

00:09:04.780 are pushing for this they're very much framing it as yes the mullahs are bad and they they want bad

00:09:09.680 things for us and so on i get that but that applies to lots of people in the world are you really

00:09:14.560 going to spend when you know you spent i think it's actually nine trillion now because there's a

00:09:19.340 long tail cost of disabilities and all the rest of the stuff that comes with this stuff are you really

00:09:23.720 going to spend at least another um eight trillion even if it's five trillion are you going to spend

00:09:28.560 that on invading if it's a trillion even if it's a trillion yeah when you're already 37 trillion in debt

00:09:34.040 and and you know what i would say is if you're looking for a credible threat if you're saying

00:09:38.600 um if if you're motivated by um i'm being told again that they got weapons of mass destruction if

00:09:46.320 they're rolling out that same argument again and by the way if they had a better argument to make

00:09:50.580 you would have already heard it yeah so you're getting weapons of mass destruction instead

00:09:54.220 if if you are persuaded by we have to defend america fine um let me give you two better ways that

00:10:02.140 you could apply that energy one is the sleeper cells so the southern border was open for four

00:10:07.980 years maybe 20 million people crossed that southern border um you've got to then ask yourself okay what

00:10:14.120 is the foreign agent infiltration rate is it one in a thousand is it one in ten thousand one in a

00:10:21.400 thousand feels maybe too much and one in ten thousand feels too low so let's just pick the middle point

00:10:25.760 let's just say okay one in five thousand people that came across that southern border

00:10:29.240 um was a foreign actor and what what are sleeper cells well they're three to five people

00:10:36.900 so taking the middle line maths there are probably two and a half thousand sleeper cells

00:10:41.320 active in the u.s right now if you want to defend america which you should do you achieve that

00:10:50.060 by sending young boys off to die in iran or do you do it by rooting out the infestation that is

00:10:56.380 already in your midst not just that uh as of a couple of months ago the american intelligence

00:11:03.380 community was briefing that iran was not seeking a nuclear weapon this was the official line from

00:11:08.900 american intelligence oh was that done was you know complying with the non-proliferation treaty

00:11:16.880 um so this is a war of choice by the israelis not not by the americans not by the americans it's very

00:11:24.360 clear that this time even if they wanted to do it this is they did not choose the timing of no

00:11:29.940 okay i i have some issues that are a bit unclear with with uh how i hear what you're saying because

00:11:37.220 first of all trump you're showing trump's um statement from 2019 i remember him in 2019 and

00:11:44.860 before saying obama's obama's treatment of iran's nuclear program has been atrocious

00:11:51.340 it needs to change and he also went out and not giving them pallets of cash i mean yes yes obviously

00:11:57.040 and he also said went out and said so long as i'm president of the u.s iran will have no nuclear

00:12:03.120 weapons this hasn't changed now in trump 47 okay so this isn't just an issue of israel it could be the

00:12:11.800 case and i i'm willing to uh yes i think that's plausible to say that a lot of people a lot of

00:12:18.400 sides don't want iran to have nuclear weapons but israel maybe may have extra reasons to not

00:12:24.640 but as far as i have nuclear only what was it 30 days ago u.s intelligence put out reports saying no

00:12:29.700 they don't have a new yes but the point even if they got one they would still be terrible

00:12:33.120 they would still be terrible north korea supposedly has one yeah the point with akistan has one the point

00:12:40.120 with trump though is that you frequently get conflicting statements yes because he wants

00:12:44.840 negotiation power so a few months ago he was in saudi arabia what was saudi arabia yeah a couple

00:12:52.020 of months ago he was in saudi arabia and qatar in the uae he collected uh a couple of trillion dollars

00:12:58.480 in promised investments exactly he was also very much he appeared to be pro uh julani in syria

00:13:05.780 which was something that not everyone was terribly psyched about yes yeah so in that case he made

00:13:12.620 several statements that could be seen as being him trying to be less pro israel so and a lot of

00:13:19.580 people who are very much anti-israel on x they were just cheering and say yes this is so i think the

00:13:25.300 main thrust of your debate here still is that um it's this is action driven by trump this does not

00:13:32.380 look like this is a trump driven strategy i think he's responding to actions that certain allies have

00:13:39.360 taken which have forced his hand and i think that the neocon establishment which just dominates

00:13:45.000 washington are forcing his hand on this yes so i don't think number one that people are ordering trump

00:13:51.300 to to act i think he is acting on his own that said other actors are also acting on their own so it could

00:13:58.040 be the case that he says israel is my ally in the region and in geopolitics you need allies and in

00:14:05.020 america first doesn't mean you have no allies so i and in some in some respects there could be a sort

00:14:11.240 of queer pro quo mentality that's going to sound very cynical that i'm saying it now i'm just describing

00:14:16.540 what i think happens because i have been a critical trump supporter i've never been someone who

00:14:21.480 who is mindlessly pro trump no matter what but what it seems to be happening right now is that no one

00:14:28.520 wants iran to have a nuclear weapon and israel is saying well i'm gonna do the dirty job if you'd like

00:14:35.380 but you help to increase the pressure on them is this so there's regime change is this you not

00:14:40.860 accepting the narrative that this is all about a nuke i think it's about the ballistic missiles i think

00:14:46.080 it's about opportunity for the israelis and i think when you think about american presidents what i

00:14:52.260 kept in mind until a couple of months ago and then i made a mistake um was that bush ran on wanting a

00:15:03.020 conservative limited foreign policy and was critical of clinton for having gotten dragged into the balkans

00:15:10.860 then obama and then we ended up with iraq and afghanistan which was not exactly a conservative

00:15:17.380 foreign policy obama ran on a similar platform saying don't do stupid stuff and avoid stupid wars

00:15:25.100 and things of that nature went to syria and he went to syria and libya and helped destabilize sudan

00:15:30.980 and supported the saudis in the in the war in yemen and now we end up with trump and the narrative that

00:15:38.880 seems to be sort of or the the reality that comes out of this is that the american president's promises

00:15:46.640 are not final and that he isn't actually the final decision maker and that he isn't the final decision

00:15:54.440 maker actually the pentagon gets to run things on its own uh i know this for a fact there is no way

00:16:02.340 that the israelis can do this campaign without full support from the pentagon without the american

00:16:08.000 military establishment being supportive at every level from satellite imagery to target identification

00:16:15.180 to weapon selection the americans are hugely involved and probably supplying weapons and fuel as well

00:16:22.020 obviously obviously i i don't deny this my question is why would people think that trump should be

00:16:28.480 should be taken i don't accept i don't accept this is trump's agenda i i think this has been fostered

00:16:34.760 upon trump i don't think that if you had asked trump a month ago where are you going to be in a month's

00:16:38.900 time he would be said oh i'll be um ratcheting it up with iran at this time i think this was fostered

00:16:44.220 upon him by by the neocons and a certain ally who forced his hand on this and i'd add a couple of points

00:16:51.560 here the american refueling tankers are moving towards europe in a way that strongly suggests that american

00:17:01.700 jets are going to start getting involved in the bombing now maybe they'll reveal that it was american

00:17:06.040 jets maybe they won't fair enough and uh a second american aircraft carrier is heading towards the

00:17:13.840 region from asia and britain has its own aircraft carrier in position in the region i'm sure that'd be

00:17:21.100 a game changer and is helping it's helping defend israel against missiles i will have to respect

00:17:25.980 yeah sorry please finish this no what what i was saying is that uh even the germans are involved in

00:17:33.300 refueling israeli aircraft yeah uh the french are involved in intercepting iranian missiles now you

00:17:39.920 could say intercepting iranian missiles is good but there is also the element that says that there are

00:17:45.520 preparations for an active full participation in war which is exactly what this guy called president

00:17:53.480 donald trump said is the worst decision ever made but what what i what i'm uh taking issue with is

00:18:00.420 why people are surprised because in order to get elected as president of the united states you need

00:18:05.800 to have some people helping you and having your back yes so it's not and these people it's not

00:18:12.640 something and these people have an agenda and they wouldn't pick pick you if you weren't representative

00:18:18.560 of that agenda but a lot of price of entry is fighting israel's wars excuse me no let me let me frame

00:18:25.260 what i'm saying uh i'm saying that for anyone to get elected into the presidency of the united states

00:18:31.460 they need to have a sort of uh some supporters in key positions and these supporters haven't have an agenda

00:18:39.240 so then why have they wouldn't they wouldn't have picked trump to be the the champion of that agenda

00:18:48.220 if they didn't think that it was trump's agenda so what i'm saying is that what happens now seems to

00:18:54.260 me to be entirely in line with what trump says and first of all a war hasn't happened already it could

00:19:00.760 be that he's doing the madman which is why a lot of people are speaking out now and saying this is not

00:19:04.420 part of the american first agenda yeah and even it seems to me he's acting like he's doing the madman

00:19:10.300 theory possibly which is part of his negotiation if it is a negotiation strategy fine but i still

00:19:17.080 think this has been fostered upon him it was not his choice um and even if iran does get a nuke i

00:19:23.240 still don't accept that that's a threat to the u.s we we can see iran's missile capability they're

00:19:28.320 nowhere near intercontinental ballistic missiles absolutely nowhere near that

00:19:32.940 the real threat are the the whatever it is the two and a half thousand sleeper cells

00:19:38.780 in the united states because the border was left open that's where the focus needs to be

00:19:43.620 and if you really want in both if you well it's it's it's it's hard to have focus on too many

00:19:49.160 different things and a and a war with iran will absorb everything that will absorb all the bandwidth

00:19:54.800 i would much rather well if i was an american i'd much rather they focus on the sleeper cells in the

00:19:59.060 u.s and the second thing if you really want a foreign adventure uh mexican cartels you know

00:20:04.640 70 000 u.s deaths per year yes i mean even even if iran managed to get one of their dinky little

00:20:13.640 missiles carried on a boat over to cuba and then launched the u.s it's still not going to come up

00:20:17.940 to 70 000 casualties like the mexican cartels their missile capabilities are serious their missile

00:20:22.700 capabilities are quite impressive and they launch things into space which is the same as launching an

00:20:28.340 icbm okay um so so they have that missile capability but deterrence has worked with pretty much every

00:20:35.680 other adversary and not to defend islam but from a theocratic muslim regime uh ending yourself by

00:20:46.820 striking america or israel with a nuclear weapon is not actually part of islamic theology like no sane

00:20:54.400 muslim would say that yes and you have to say something about the iranians which is that

00:20:58.640 they play the madman but they are not lunatics they understand balance of power they understand

00:21:06.760 politics they can be cautious well i'm certainly not going to defend the mullahs in iran but i don't

00:21:12.900 think it is necessarily irrational um that they're concerned for their security when the united states

00:21:19.040 has invaded countries on both sides of it yes and we know that it was the plan to invade iran so so

00:21:24.940 four-star general wesley clark uh has publicly stated in interviews and other places that he saw the

00:21:30.220 plan that was uh put forward by the pentagon that we're going to invade seven countries um and ultimately

00:21:37.080 with the purpose of getting to iran and we have to remember each of those countries was destroyed

00:21:43.440 so libya and syria weren't invaded but they were absolutely destroyed uh i think sudan was on the

00:21:50.280 list and it ended up being partitioned and then uh pushed into somalia and lebanon somalia same it's a

00:21:58.700 basket case anyway uh lebanon has you know hezbollah has been destroyed which is not a bad thing uh in some

00:22:06.720 ways um and now the sort of final objective is iran and that plan which has been there for 20 years

00:22:17.200 and which has been adapted is now coming to its final conclusion and that plan was hatched by the

00:22:24.600 people that trump was explicitly running against yes in 2006 in the 2016 campaign and in the uh 2024

00:22:33.980 campaign so that he would sort of do this roundabout thing so that 10 years down the line he would be

00:22:43.800 the one to smash iran doesn't seem like it was actually before you jump in can i just quickly

00:22:49.120 show my next link because i think it might be yeah i also want to make a geographical point yeah

00:22:53.180 and that's the sort of point i'm making that plan of invading those seven countries and ultimately

00:22:57.580 arriving at iran i mean that makes sense because actually when you look at the region

00:23:02.160 it's very rocky yeah so if you're going to invade iran you actually want afghanistan and iraq first

00:23:11.280 because yes you have access to the seaways down here the persian gulf tehran there is at the top

00:23:16.760 so if you don't have iraq and you don't have afghanistan and you're certainly not going to come

00:23:21.860 in through this this top region i mean turkey might give you support but you can't come in through this

00:23:24.960 top region because this is all russian area of control um you're going to have to push in through

00:23:29.680 the bottom so you'd probably come in here well i don't know what you think about this this for us

00:23:33.160 but you'd probably come in through the um uh gulf of iran down here you'd see something like this port

00:23:38.740 down here this is a this is a big oil region and that could be your beachhead that would feasibly

00:23:43.880 be your beachhead and another reason we might come in there apparently there's there's a there's a big

00:23:48.380 arab population which are then opposed to the um the there's a persian uh majority so you get at

00:23:53.920 least enough support to do something down here but then i mean the the the practicality of trying

00:23:59.700 to invade iran is you then need to push a thousand miles north um to get to tehran and that is all

00:24:07.800 through and i mean i'll zoom in on any bit of this this is all through narrow roads with mountains on

00:24:13.340 either side absolutely suicidal iran is not invadable by a ground force uh the only thing that they can do

00:24:21.300 is try to um sponsor proxies within the various ethnic minorities in iran

00:24:28.360 haha diversity is a strength uh and use these minorities to destabilize or topple the regime

00:24:35.740 that's the only way that it can be i would i would have a lot less if it was that i'd have a lot less

00:24:40.280 criticism right well it still leads to absolute chaos multiple civil wars in iran uh a much stronger

00:24:48.880 turkey and a much stronger pakistan and these are hostile countries to the west uh as is iran

00:24:55.780 this should be stated having some kind of balance between them is probably better than

00:25:00.740 removing the country in the middle that sort of keeps them apart um and this ends up becoming a

00:25:08.000 major destabilizing force throughout the region and actually destabilize it and whatever else i mean

00:25:13.900 it's all baked in on on the assumption that you know you can just spread western style democracy

00:25:20.020 into these countries i mean democracy no longer works in britain because we've imported so many

00:25:25.200 people um you know from regions of the world like this you can't go to a region like this and install a

00:25:30.960 democracy if you if you destabilize the um the mullahs yes you might succeed in getting rid of them

00:25:37.720 but what would you get in their place and i don't think you can just assume a western style democracy

00:25:42.640 will emerge you have the king and i want to say two things number one is that i i still want i still

00:25:50.560 have to say that trump has never been a pacifist yeah fair enough so he his non-pacifism and his

00:25:57.520 america first has never been i'm going to destroy the military and i'm going to denuclearize it

00:26:03.840 has never been part of it no uh if you go on the map a bit on the on the on to the to the west

00:26:10.080 you'll see the suez canal there's a lot of the time clash with pirates and the and the u.s navy

00:26:16.380 but also the russian navy i think you mean further south the uh the uh yeah yeah further west further

00:26:22.720 west in the suez canal close to egypt and opposite saudi arabia and yemen so i'm saying that you never

00:26:30.280 hear people being anti-war when the u.s navy is involved there in clash in in local clashes with

00:26:37.220 pirates so what i'm saying is that the mega base isn't necessarily anti having a force

00:26:43.940 oh no they're very very pro a strong military also also when it's just getting dragged into

00:26:49.480 it because if you try and invade iran you might win the upfront kinetic bit fairly quickly but you'll

00:26:55.620 you'll be bogged down in insurgency for 30 years trying to do it it could be the case but i've i

00:27:00.380 haven't heard anyone speaking about uh everyone anyone speaking about spreading democracy in iran

00:27:06.000 right now well what maybe i haven't heard people but every person i've seen who is in the you know pro

00:27:13.080 in the pro israel side they're saying basically it's operation rising lion and they want to and they

00:27:19.960 want to help the pahlavi the the king they restored yeah haven't heard former crown prince yeah um

00:27:27.280 who doesn't have a real base right now who has sort of discredited himself by supporting the bombing of

00:27:36.200 iran uh and who if he were to rule somehow would be in an incredibly vulnerable position to all kinds of

00:27:45.400 people which might suit all kinds of companies that want to come in and sort of uh benefit from

00:27:51.720 iranian resources and that would have a positive economic effect on iran conceivably but it would

00:27:57.380 still be a pretty weak government very vulnerable to instability and you could still end up seeing

00:28:03.940 all of these ethnic conflicts breaking out and and becoming a major there are a thousand ways it could go south

00:28:10.340 i i that's not the point the point is that there is practically no way that it could go well

00:28:16.220 that's the point so i think we can safely conclude look innovation just isn't going to work so they're

00:28:24.640 probably not going to attempt it no so the only thing they can do is is basically air sortie raids

00:28:30.020 firing missiles that kind of stuff it doesn't actually get you anywhere apart from further destabilization

00:28:35.560 it causes it has an effect destroying somebody's industry has an effect but we've seen the

00:28:40.600 ukrainians getting hit by the russians constantly now mind you the americans will be able to hit much

00:28:45.780 harder um but that doesn't automatically imply that the regime collapses and then you end up with this

00:28:53.360 regime that's even more desperate to acquire nuclear weapons and given the vastness of iranian territory

00:28:58.980 i mean look at where meshed is in the far east um like that's a very difficult position to attack

00:29:07.460 so you could see them relocating a lot of their nuclear activities and trying again

00:29:11.620 the the issue with iran throughout history is that because it's so hilly it's very difficult to invade yes

00:29:19.040 but in for centuries you had people who won key battles and they could just suddenly

00:29:26.440 that's that could be seen also as a weakness of iranian territory because you you had people

00:29:31.960 winning key battles and then they could just control the entire area maybe because everyone

00:29:37.160 else was just not able to form a good counter-offensive maybe it's yeah so i better wrap this up with the

00:29:46.760 you know interest of time but uh you know i just i i don't see how it serves the american first agenda

00:29:53.080 to get dragged into something that was not of their choosing um as we talked about invading is

00:29:58.800 off the table so you can't even follow through with this ultimately uh you're just going to spend

00:30:05.560 an awful lot of money you're going to be dragged into middle eastern politics again you're not doing

00:30:10.560 it for the for the american cause you're not doing it to serve american interests so i don't think

00:30:17.460 there's anything to be gained from doing this and i think you know and you can bet that nato will be

00:30:22.340 roped in to do some kind of work especially the united kingdom certainly certainly so i i think you

00:30:28.460 know be very careful about getting dragged into this yes yes okay so the engaged few says it's one

00:30:35.640 thing to justify suicide attacks as martyrdom i think it would be a tenuous interpretation to extend

00:30:41.280 that to choose martyrdom for entire nations in a nuclear war busted brian says globalists are trying

00:30:49.420 to force trump's hand we've have the good fortune he knows his promise of no foreign wars is void with

00:30:56.140 direct conflict so his ego demands he looks every alternative to war maybe uh chain toker um says

00:31:03.240 just wanted to say i think that's for me f just wanted to say f the dude to the right

00:31:09.140 shit for brains that honestly hope his fat ass goes to war so he can lose some weight

00:31:14.500 obese piggy on this thanks buddy that's really i don't know uh all right engaged few don't sell the

00:31:23.640 uk shorts steven your carrier might not be ford class in size but it has teeth that's referring to

00:31:31.460 the prince of wales carrier that's deployed in the region fair enough all right now shall we

00:31:38.640 firstly remind you that you should definitely be checking out luca's chronicles series um

00:31:44.160 it seems very very impressive i'm definitely going to be watching it it's getting released i believe

00:31:50.360 today so have a look and uh do let us know what you think and what topics you want him to cover

00:31:56.360 um but let me now for a moment talk about the absolute murder state of the british parliament

00:32:04.120 so today parliament is supposed to be debating uh legalizing abortion up until birth at 20 weeks

00:32:12.660 a baby can be viable and a baby can feel pain and can feel suffering and so when you try to abort after

00:32:23.500 the 12th week that usually involves ripping that baby limb from limb and then crushing its skull

00:32:31.320 in order to kill it so it's a very extreme procedure and now parliament is debating making

00:32:39.920 it legal up until birth um we had somebody say that yes if it was at 38 weeks 37 weeks which is a

00:32:48.900 perfectly normal premature birth uh then abortions should still be legal regardless of how you feel

00:32:56.040 in particular about abortion and just for the sort of fedora types out there fetus means baby

00:33:02.120 um regardless of how you feel about that this is a very extreme position and it's a very violent

00:33:10.220 thing to do to an innocent child that's capable of feeling pain but this isn't enough for the parliament

00:33:15.600 uh they also want to make killing the vulnerable the elderly etc much much easier and the reasoning for

00:33:25.680 that is absolutely fascinating um here's the reasoning from keir starmer's mouth

00:33:33.260 i made a promise to esther ransom before the election um that um we would um provide time

00:33:43.820 for a debate uh and a vote on assisted dying um but it would be a free vote um and um obviously that

00:33:52.240 opportunity has now arisen and i'm very pleased that um i'm able as it were to make good on the

00:33:59.060 promise i made to esther ransom so the way that this works is that this is a private members bill

00:34:06.460 by kim ledbetter uh joe cox's sister and uh there is normally a lottery at the start of parliament to

00:34:15.500 decide which mps get to propose their bills magically she won the first place and what she wants to do

00:34:25.360 is permit laws that would allow the nhs to pretty much kill anybody with a diagnosis of a terminal

00:34:35.580 illness now before we go into the details of it let's just talk a little bit about nice miss miss uh

00:34:42.460 esther ransom she's been complaining that she has cancer and that she needs to go to dignity she might

00:34:47.520 have to go to dignitize to die she's 85 i i hope her cancer you know heals and i don't wish her

00:34:55.320 ill um but this is who she is

00:34:59.080 there were rumors there were rumors in television there were rumors so the rumors he's talking about

00:35:07.500 is of jimmy savile being a nasty pedophile and rapist in the music industry where he was a dj

00:35:14.040 there were rumors in fleet street i'm told there were even rumors in the nhs but the trouble with

00:35:20.640 the rumor is that it's not something you know in order to know something as a fact it must either

00:35:27.180 have happened to you or you must have seen it happen nothing else stands up in court and nothing

00:35:33.060 else would permit a newspaper to publish or a program to broadcast i was working in a very different

00:35:40.240 part of the bbc the person who told me the rumor was um a junior researcher who had heard it in fleet

00:35:46.860 street and and really there was no substance to it at all no allegation about a specific child

00:35:54.780 no no disclosure from a child that i know of in all the 26 years of child i'm i'm sorry i i want to

00:36:03.800 continue this for a moment because she said that she knew about this from a junior researcher

00:36:07.720 and she was extremely senior at the time and she's saying that the rumors were pretty much

00:36:13.800 everywhere and everybody knew about it but there's something else there but now now adults are

00:36:20.160 ringing child line and saying well we were abused who see things going on and dare not go to their

00:36:28.060 bosses can at least report it another way and that way bad things maybe won't happen so here she's

00:36:35.840 talking about protecting whistleblowers but somebody literally came to her and blew the whistle and she did

00:36:41.040 absolutely nothing so this is the moral character of the person to whom keir starmer made this commitment

00:36:47.400 she should have at least started an investigation because on the one hand yes okay rumors are rumors

00:36:53.320 yes when you hear lots of people saying the same thing you need to guard yourself exactly so the bill as

00:37:00.860 it currently stands requires somebody to have a diagnosis of they're going to be dying in six months

00:37:06.160 and this story here about this gentleman stephanus breitenbach who's australian uh he's was diagnosed

00:37:15.800 with three months to live and now he's on three years and he's extremely happy and the way that he

00:37:22.500 does it is that he aims for a couple of days of more life at a time and at the time this was written

00:37:29.320 in june this year he's aiming to make it until september to celebrate his son's birthday so think

00:37:35.780 about how many birthdays he would have missed if he had sort of followed that advice and then decided

00:37:40.900 to sort of kill himself but there are enormous problems in the way that this bill was being debated

00:37:48.280 even not just in the way that it was presented uh which is magically kim ledbetter winning the right

00:37:56.220 to sort of go first she engineered it so that the witnesses that were allowed to speak

00:38:03.780 were pretty much 80 percent either neutral or supportive of assisted suicide with only a tiny

00:38:14.020 minority allowed to speak who are opposed to it and you see that here in in this list that's provided

00:38:21.160 by dan hitchens dan has been covering this extremely well him and and someone else i'll mention nikki

00:38:27.960 de costa they've been doing an incredible job covering all of the holes in this bill um and instead

00:38:35.520 of sort of debating the issue honestly what uh miss ledbetter has been doing is claiming that everybody

00:38:42.760 is being misinformed and so he asks her here okay who are the people who are misinformed and then he goes

00:38:49.160 through a list of the people who oppose making the nhs into a murder machine which is what this bill

00:38:55.340 does well for one the royal college of psychiatrists that seems quite important if you are extremely

00:39:01.760 unwell and you're at the risk of dying or killing yourself uh it's typical to have a psychiatric

00:39:08.720 intervention that helps you cope with your suffering better that helps you manage your life a little bit

00:39:15.040 better these are the people responsible for it and they're saying absolutely not this is a horrible bill

00:39:20.280 the association for palliative medicine if your case is terminal there's still a way for you to die a natural

00:39:27.860 death in dignity through pain management through the provision of comfort through the provision of care

00:39:33.280 where basically life can be made valuable and have moments of joy even in the midst of great suffering and god help

00:39:43.920 us who isn't suffering everybody is so these are the people who manage your life at the end of it and they're

00:39:52.740 saying this is a terrible idea why are they objecting for a whole range of reasons including the fact that this bill

00:39:59.940 threatens to cut off funding from any facility that provides palliative care and refuses to offer assisted

00:40:06.600 dying now think about it this way you've decided you're going to die a natural death and you go to

00:40:13.260 this clinic that can give you a bit of pain management medication that can help you stay comfortable that can

00:40:21.160 help you handle yourself in your final days and now they're obligated to suggest whether or not you want to

00:40:27.300 die yes what does that do to you psychologically i mean we've seen canada go down this route you know

00:40:34.000 it starts off as it's an option that people in severe pain can take and a lot of people will hear

00:40:39.640 that and think okay that well that sounds reasonable but then it becomes you know you go to gp and i'm

00:40:45.140 feeling a little bit depressed this week or have you considered killing yourself and and i know what

00:40:49.440 the nhs is like so there was a case a few years back of um a young boy um maybe nine or ten years

00:40:58.280 old and he um he was kind of suffering under the nhs and the parents wanted to take him to i think

00:41:05.540 poland or something who had a therapy who could deal with it and the nhs did everything in their

00:41:10.020 power to stop they wanted him to stay and die right and and the parents managed to get him out get him for

00:41:15.280 this treatment and he recovered for recovery and and that and that happens all the time yeah uh there

00:41:21.480 is among medical professionals who are honest and which is becoming unfortunately increasingly rare

00:41:28.040 they know that you can't actually tell if someone is going to die in six months so it's a suggestion

00:41:36.240 it's not that they're telling you consider killing but how would you feel if your cancer treatment uh guy

00:41:42.880 is telling you well you know chemo is expensive and this is going to be a bit painful for you you

00:41:48.400 could also kill yourself yeah i mean and and this bill every single safeguard that's been proposed for

00:41:55.320 this bill has been rejected so here the the geriatric society the professionals who care for the elderly

00:42:02.580 elderly medicine geriatric medicine they're saying absolutely not this is terrible and they

00:42:10.640 were initially refused the right to give oral evidence and you can tell how thoroughly mps do

00:42:20.000 their research and do their readings by the sheer quality of them speaking in public they clearly

00:42:26.840 haven't done the work so they're refusing to listen from to the to the right people coalition of

00:42:33.600 frontline care they're against it the royal college of physicians these guys are saying we're neutral

00:42:39.200 on whether or not to allow this but they are saying that this bill in particular is absolutely horrific

00:42:47.680 because of the million and one safeguards failings that it has everybody in disability rights they're

00:42:55.640 against it uh the civil liberties organizations they're against it experts in anorexia so they tried

00:43:01.800 to create an exclusion for anorexia which is a very treatable condition at the end of the day

00:43:06.340 it's a sad condition it's a tragic condition but it's a treatable one uh no this bill allows those

00:43:13.780 who are suffering from anorexia to get killed and importantly you mentioned somebody's family stepping

00:43:20.340 in in this bill they tried to insert an amendment that says well you must at least notify the family

00:43:27.040 and ms led better refused right so this bill is it stands uh you you could have a an 18 year old

00:43:36.120 suffering from anorexia it could be it they they refuse to ban it for uh under 18s so it's still

00:43:43.460 permissive you could be 17 okay so you could have a 17 year old suffering from anorexia and without

00:43:49.920 even telling the family they go straight to euthanasia think about it this way if you want

00:43:55.380 if you were a very nasty person running a care home of some sort and we are seeing some of that

00:44:01.920 what you now have a wonderful opportunity to do is to convince the people under your care

00:44:10.740 that they're too much of a burden uh this will be pushed this will be pushed and that they should

00:44:18.660 write you into their will because your family needs the money and that you should go off and kill

00:44:23.840 yourself and the approval process is the the bar for it is extremely low they just have to think that

00:44:32.480 there's a 49 chance that you're being coerced but a 51 chance that you're not or that you're being

00:44:41.020 manipulated and there is nothing in the legislation that says that doctors will be trained to spot this

00:44:46.400 and indeed spotting and identifying psychological manipulation is extremely hard and so you could run

00:44:53.700 a scam where you're in the care sector and you have a cousin who is a doctor and you just bounce people

00:45:01.700 to each other in order to get them killed and change their wills before they get killed

00:45:08.800 and because there is no requirement for investigation this is permissible and the coroner wouldn't examine

00:45:15.860 you afterwards so there wouldn't be somebody examining you after your assisted suicide to say

00:45:22.720 well this guy is covered in bruises should we have allowed this to happen so maybe 20 odd years ago

00:45:29.780 there was the harold shipman um scandal yes a doctor who set out to kill as many people as possible

00:45:36.200 yep um the new harold shipman would be able to do this and and make youtube videos about it and and

00:45:42.740 openly do it he would just be able to go around in with the full benefit of the law behind him

00:45:47.780 persuading people um to let him kill them this should not be called the assisted dying bill this should

00:45:53.740 be called the harold shipman yeah bill that's what it is because that's exactly what it's enabling

00:45:59.880 it will go after everyone who's who's vulnerable yes um even temporarily yes and it won't be offered

00:46:07.840 it will be pushed yes yes and you think that's a political decision yes i think i it's been debated

00:46:13.960 so people like danny kruger who are on the committee who has been standing up against this bill

00:46:19.960 quite forcefully uh diane abbott stood up against this bill quite forcefully and quite impressively

00:46:25.400 um they've all said there are these problems here with this legislation and this legislation is

00:46:33.500 disastrous and medical professionals who are saying look we're neutral on the idea

00:46:38.860 but this bill is terrible these guys are being ignored completely so this is a political choice

00:46:46.220 and this is essentially the state deciding to manage pensions in the worst imaginable way

00:46:53.420 that's that's and and and this is happening at the same time that they're making it easier to kill

00:47:00.460 babies so you're murdering the past and you're murdering the future and also your votes if you're

00:47:06.520 doing it for political pubs exactly well if you're the labor party you think that the retirees tend to vote

00:47:13.180 right so you're fine with it uh in in little red riding hood the wolf kills their grandmother and

00:47:20.660 kills the child and that's one of the many reasons why he's evil he leads temptation he does all kinds

00:47:26.740 of things but one of the reasons that he's evil is that he destroys the past and he destroys the

00:47:30.380 future that's what this murderous parliament is doing that's exactly what this parliament is doing

00:47:35.820 this is this is evil so when you said it was ruled out for you know we i started talking about an 18

00:47:42.860 year old and you said no it's not ruled out for for under 18s yes is there any age limit on it

00:47:48.140 i don't know i don't know i don't know so it could it could go down to you know whatever the first age

00:47:58.380 is when you can get a gp's appointment by yourself 14 or something 13 maybe yeah perhaps and it's

00:48:05.740 in the netherlands game as well in the netherlands it has happened okay right where they've killed

00:48:12.220 underage kids including i think in in in one case because of depression

00:48:18.220 i believe that there was one case that involved depression being the primary cause

00:48:24.300 well because it's easier to kill them than it is to help them it's it's not that hard to help to help

00:48:30.860 them no but it's still easier to kill them well you know if if that's your objective fair enough

00:48:38.140 um this this gentleman let me just check his name again uh sir david haslam who is a former head of

00:48:45.340 the british medical association so he knows what he's talking about and he makes the case that look when

00:48:51.100 it comes to my own relatives i definitely want to be able to spend as much money as i can to save them

00:48:56.700 and i understand that there are choices to be made and and and considerations however the same applies

00:49:03.260 to assisted dying from individual perspective assisted dying might appear a logical development

00:49:09.500 but from the perspective of society it is likely to have a profoundly different impact with a legion of

00:49:16.060 unintended consequences because this bill as it currently stands pretty much allows anybody to

00:49:25.260 get killed they don't they promised initially that it was going to go to a judge and it was going to

00:49:33.180 go to the high court for each case then they sort of decided no no we don't need to do that and they lowered

00:49:39.100 it to a panel and this panel doesn't need to interview anybody and doesn't have any judicial authority

00:49:45.500 and you don't have to appear in front of the panel so if the panel thinks well there's a 40 chance

00:49:51.900 that stellius is coercing dan into killing himself uh we can't make stellius appear before the

00:49:59.020 before the before that committee and testify nobody can do it but also dan could do it to me yes yes i'm

00:50:06.780 i'm sort of you know yeah of course um and and there are some questions here which uh nikki da costa

00:50:14.700 she's also done an incredible job covering this topic please follow her please support her work

00:50:19.900 uh any doctor can initiate the discussion so your gp if he gets sort of annoyed with you because i don't

00:50:27.740 know you've tried antidepressants and did and they didn't work or he was having a bad day or she was

00:50:32.220 having a bad day they can initiate that conversation they can do it with someone under the age of 18

00:50:43.740 it can be done because somebody is depressed or feels like a burden and if they can do it

00:50:50.860 they will do it and if not just that if they start here they will expand it over time the trajectory for

00:50:58.460 countries like belgium and the netherlands and canada has been that the slippery slope is not a

00:51:05.260 logical fallacy it's an iron rule once you concede the principle that's it and the principle of the

00:51:13.740 holiness of life and the sanctity of life and respect for life because it is given by god that principle

00:51:20.460 should never be violated you can only kill people in a just war or for the service of justice as part of

00:51:29.180 the criminal justice system well you just can't do it willy-nilly because somebody feels like a burden

00:51:33.980 here's the worst part here's the worst part this can be made profitable so the nhs can outsource the

00:51:41.900 provision of death services to private companies who can make as much money as they want over it

00:51:49.900 so imagine the advertising here because you know you're going to start seeing advertisements for it

00:51:57.020 feeling like too much of a burden feeling tired all the time your cancer isn't really that uh your chemo

00:52:04.700 isn't being uh nice to you one upside at least it will bring some jobs back for white actors in commercials

00:52:11.900 well you can bet on that you can bet on that um a minister can lift the advertising ban

00:52:24.700 it can become advertised and it's just down to a single minister and you know that that minister is

00:52:30.300 going to get paid i'm just thinking about the economic arguments of this is you've got to bear in

00:52:33.820 mind the way the nhs works is each person coming through the door is not a customer yeah and a person

00:52:39.740 coming through the door is not a good thing for the nhs yes it is all costs and what do you try

00:52:43.980 and do to costs you try and minimize costs yep so the economic incentive for the nhs would be that's

00:52:49.820 what they're trying to do maximize this as far as possible that's what they're trying to do that's

00:52:53.660 what they're trying to do there doesn't need to be an assessment as to whether or not you have the

00:52:57.740 mental capacity to agree to this there doesn't need to be an assessment as to whether or not you're

00:53:02.220 being coerced everything about this sort of you know fundamentally changes what the nhs is all about

00:53:11.100 from a national health service to a national death service and they could force care homes and hospices

00:53:18.940 to provide that service as the law is written and they will and they and you can see that you know

00:53:24.780 speaking as a catholic catholic care homes are not going to agree to offer assisted death and so

00:53:30.780 they'll be closed down so they'll either be defunded or closed down which is incidentally you remember

00:53:36.620 with the contraception debate in the united states obama tried to force the little sisters of the poor

00:53:41.260 to provide contraception and it became an incredible court case and they almost succeeded and so they're

00:53:48.780 trying the same thing again and again uh there's no duty of care to ensure that the drugs work properly

00:53:57.180 so there's no safeguard against a drug that's supposed to give you a quick and painless death

00:54:03.580 actually causing a horrendous death there's no safeguard in this bill

00:54:10.780 and there's no subsequent investigation so it's a making money scheme they don't even what they know

00:54:18.700 this bill is bad how do you know this bill is bad they don't want the data to be collected

00:54:24.380 on various failures and on various problems that emerge from it they don't even want to mandate

00:54:34.060 data collection so that we could say okay we're going to try it your way for five years and then

00:54:38.060 we're going to reassess in the next parliament this is how you know that it's malice this is how

00:54:44.540 you know that it's malice i mean this this bill does sound like it's been written by malloc yes yes pretty

00:54:50.540 much and healthcare professionals are up in arms they're writing about it they're saying no don't

00:54:56.060 you dare do it but they're completely being ignored and so they've made a choice they could fund adult

00:55:03.740 social care or they could just kill the elderly at heart this is a spiritual crisis at heart this goes back

00:55:14.060 to the issue that because britain has lost a spirituality family is breaking down and therefore

00:55:20.700 there are not enough children and there are not enough young people caring for their elderly parents

00:55:25.100 which was always the historic norm i mean no matter how individualistic a society is when your father

00:55:32.060 or mother are ill there is somebody in that society who's going to take care of them even if they don't

00:55:37.020 live with them whatever the other points but at heart this is a spiritual question and you can tell

00:55:44.380 that this is a spiritual malady that's afflicting this parliament by the fact that in the same week

00:55:50.540 they're debating killing the youngest and the eldest and most vulnerable at the same time

00:55:58.140 if it was intended as a service to moloch this is exactly what you would expect

00:56:02.380 yeah so this is what uh this is what parliament is trying to debate and it will be it will be the

00:56:08.380 same old bait and switch the the the forward-facing angle of this will be look here's this person

00:56:13.340 who's got advanced cancer and they're in great pain you know why if this person wants to do it why

00:56:18.060 shouldn't they that would be the front-facing thing it always starts with yeah claims of sympathy and

00:56:23.100 the back end will be this bill which is you know your teenager could um make a wrong number and

00:56:29.020 not with with transgenderism they lied and they said that not letting them slice off body parts

00:56:35.340 is going to lead them to becoming suicidal with homosexuality they lied and they said the objective

00:56:40.700 is just standard normalcy we don't want anything else and then one thing after the other was pushed

00:56:46.060 degeneracy until we ended up with total degeneracy with this it's the sort of same playbook it's all

00:56:51.580 about sympathy oh let me tug at the strings of your heart and in the end it's going to be a way

00:56:56.700 of managing the excess demand for the nhs it starts with sympathy and it ends with pronouns and communism

00:57:03.180 essentially so please contact your mp if you are british if you are in britain please contact your mp

00:57:09.900 you can go to the government's website you can just look up how do i contact my my mp it immediately

00:57:17.020 gives you the right response you can find your mp on this website here members.parliament.uk

00:57:24.780 forward slash members forward slash comments uh just put in your postcode you will be able to find

00:57:32.060 who your mp is if you don't already know and you will be able to find their email address and write

00:57:38.060 to them and please do write to them and tell them not to vote for murder because it is going to end in

00:57:45.420 the worst imaginable way we know this we've tried this we've seen how the the the slippery slope

00:57:53.900 actually is an iron rule please try to stop this

00:57:59.740 right the hapsification says they're going to run out of excuses once the medical technology

00:58:05.260 and biotech starts curing diseases these people and ideologies can survive once the tech solves their

00:58:11.100 problems maybe i think that there is a question though when it comes to psychology though there's

00:58:16.460 a limit to how much um it can be addressed just as a brain issue there are all sorts of stuff

00:58:24.940 like a socialization that has to comes to death death is natural it's fine we're all going to die

00:58:30.780 but there's a yeah like creating a death for profit industry is just insane yes right so that's

00:58:38.700 a random name says don't listen to chain talk for us you're not fat just well thank you also why

00:58:44.780 was there no real politic yesterday did you get hit by a mossad pager or did the show get aborted

00:58:50.620 after its birth i don't know i'll find out today let's scroll down sure right the engaged few

00:58:59.260 no i think no let's scroll up the previous section engaged few says 30 years years ago rush limbo

00:59:04.620 predicted that the right to die would become the duty to die he was a prophet that's exactly what

00:59:09.500 this bill does you you make the elderly or the vulnerable feel like a burden and then you tell

00:59:15.340 them why won't you just take this magic pill and die so please write to your mp and try to help stop

00:59:21.900 this right so there are several noises that are here in the studio don't know what's going on right

00:59:28.540 anyway so ladies and gentlemen there are lots of things happening or are they not one thing that

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01:00:04.540 job we are doing so this thing happened but there's a question as to whether anything ever happens

01:00:12.540 so because there are some people who are saying that nothing ever happens but this is the meme isn't

01:00:17.420 it yeah that's the meme every time something happens somebody puts up a meme that says nothing

01:00:21.340 ever happens yeah but i'm beginning to warming up to the idea that nothing ever happens or that

01:00:26.540 something does nothing ever happens okay what do you think initially i don't know man the past

01:00:33.500 few years i've had a lot of happenings in my line of work i i think this is an insane meme right okay so

01:00:39.260 dan i will try and convince you philosophically by end of the segment right that it's mathematically

01:00:46.380 impossible that anything ever happens and change is an illusion okay right but let's talk about the meme

01:00:53.420 meme okay so we have this meme here that's really funny we have this angry little weird person here

01:01:01.900 with a with a with a huge lips a very stern expression who's pointing at the board saying nothing ever

01:01:09.100 happens in several other languages right and um there are lots of people who are saying now there is

01:01:17.740 going to be a war between israel and iran and also the us may get involved but the nothing ever happens

01:01:24.380 crowd the nothing ever happens bros think otherwise that maybe nothing will happen so we have here

01:01:32.460 this meme saying here an attack on our ally cannot go unpunished mr israel i raise nothing and the response

01:01:39.420 is an attack on our soil is a violation of our sovereignty mr run all in or nothing

01:01:46.940 dan what do you think uh this is not my favorite genre of memes no no it's not right okay so lots of

01:01:57.420 people are saying well if you actually pay attention to the news and the statement of the white house but

01:02:03.340 also the statement of um donald trump lately you will think that the nothing ever happens bros

01:02:10.780 have trouble explaining reality but i don't know dan who's gonna have the last laugh

01:02:17.420 things happen every day are you sure yes quite certain right so a lot of people are saying nothing

01:02:24.300 ever happens bros i'm not feeling so well i think he should say i'm not feeling so well or not yeah but

01:02:31.740 there's the answer there it's not two minutes to midnight it is 90 seconds to nothing but nothing

01:02:38.060 ever happens clock has moved one second closer to midnight i i wonder i wonder if this all stems from

01:02:45.020 people imagining a whole series of events that might happen and when they didn't happen they got

01:02:49.900 frustrated so they invented a meme saying nothing ever happens plainly stuff happens does it have to be

01:02:57.020 this guy telling us nothing ever happens yeah it has to be this has to be the chad jack yeah what's

01:03:02.860 chad jack chad jack yes i'll they chad to me allow me to break the ice i'll tell you all about

01:03:09.500 chad jack towards the end of the segment but he constantly reminds people that they shouldn't be

01:03:16.300 over excited excited and especially when it comes to to the siren

01:03:20.460 sign that says it's happening it's happening it's happening world war iii civil war civil war civil war

01:03:27.740 it says no basically that's total bs well as i said there's people imagining something happening

01:03:34.300 and then when that doesn't happen saying that nothing happens but it's not that nothing happens

01:03:37.820 it's just the thing that you were imagining which was overblown didn't happen there are two schools

01:03:41.900 in the nothing ever happens there are the soft ones who are talking about major geopolitical events

01:03:46.540 how could nothing ever happen to have debates and the other and they are the i'll tell you and

01:03:51.740 the other hardcore ones those who are saying that it's impossible for anything to happen

01:03:57.100 i'll try to convince you about the latter okay okay right so here we have the clock to me

01:04:03.100 the minutes to midnight clock is set on one minute to nothing so trump gonna says i'm nuking iran chad jack

01:04:11.180 nothing burger i literally just pressed the button nothing ever happened schizo that's the response

01:04:18.380 seems like so far it's chad jack who has the last laugh and what is trump gonna do it's the button

01:04:25.660 that does nothing i i really like how amused you are with this meme dan

01:04:33.340 i if if you if you just redefine what something is continually up to whatever the most drastic thing

01:04:42.860 is that you could conceivably envisage happening the following day such as so i don't i don't think

01:04:49.100 the us is going to nuke tehran i don't think that's going to happen yeah so so you can't then

01:04:54.700 force say because that thing didn't happen nothing happened there's plenty of things happened just not

01:04:59.180 that one thing i see you're taking the logic course very skeptical right okay but so you are going to

01:05:05.820 bet that something will happen well at this very moment things are happening iras are you betting that

01:05:13.340 something's going to happen yes yeah but chad jack has the the response to you this is le chad because

01:05:20.300 it's less cheaper from casino royale the bond movie where it says you simply forgot that nothing ever

01:05:26.460 happens mr okay so yeah just don't bet against him then your your powers of persuasion are uh

01:05:36.780 right so warming up so we have here people talking about world war three and i really love this means

01:05:41.740 there's nothing ever happens it won't won't and there's a new clear explosion in the background

01:05:46.940 and he's looking back so it's a nothing bugger this kid so

01:05:58.620 well by that definition then yes nothing happened fair enough i absolutely love this okay right okay

01:06:04.700 we have people who just concede defeat and they accept that the nothing ever happens bros

01:06:11.260 constantly wins okay and we have this last year being very much annoyed at losing and thinking that

01:06:19.340 something was going to happen she fell prey to the sirens of you know slop merchants she thought that

01:06:25.340 everything every breaking event is constantly happening people constantly put the sirens for the

01:06:30.300 impression saying that everything you know civil war is your mathematical proof on the way is that yes

01:06:35.580 yes yes okay okay all right right so what time is it what time is it then it's not time to end the

01:06:41.420 segment because i'm not neat i'm not i'm in the middle of the segment but it's yes it just would you

01:06:47.420 look at the time here i love this it's always nothing time who's this who's this particular guy supposed

01:06:55.980 to be uh chad jack let's talk jack right okay i mean he always wins right you can always bet on

01:07:03.100 chart jack james bond of happenings right so let me show you here some other really funny memes because

01:07:09.900 i think that this is a really fun um thing that has spread in the culture so here we have again him

01:07:18.460 a rendition of him pointing at the board again him showed you people doing the meme keep calm and

01:07:27.420 nothing ever happens so here it says the historic opportunity for a revolution has passed it will

01:07:34.620 not come back anymore however hard i try whatever i do i'll show you my personal favorite it says here

01:07:42.380 that's not my favorite heaven is a place where nothing ever happens judah was like buddha says but

01:07:49.980 judah what if says it won't okay and uh here i would have loved for something to happen beep he's

01:07:58.700 dying okay and i i absolutely love this says there are decades where nothing happens and there are weeks

01:08:06.220 where nothing happens well that that one that one is a bit yes yeah because you know i had the landing

01:08:11.900 quote where it says there are decades where nothing happens and then there are weeks where everything

01:08:15.740 happens so it's still not convinced you're not convinced so i'm gonna give you before i i teach

01:08:22.060 you the meme right and i'm gonna tell you one thing it's the mathematical proof yes change is

01:08:27.900 impossible i'm so here for that right so change is requires some sort of motion so you have to go from

01:08:33.820 here to there yes so which i will do after walking so you think you will you think you will do it but

01:08:41.820 in order to do here you need to cross a distance let's say is it is it uh 10 meters five meters the

01:08:48.700 door's just over there yeah but in order to do it you need to cross also the half of it yes you know

01:08:54.940 in order there will come a point when i'm halfway there yes yes but in order to do this then you'll

01:08:59.980 have derivatives now you'll have the latter half and then you'll have to cross the lot the the other half

01:09:05.340 of it okay but then i'll do that and then i'll get all the way there no but you'll still have some points

01:09:11.980 if you divide the the distance until i until i get and you and you take all of them and you and you

01:09:18.380 add them it will never be one it will be less than one no that doesn't follow if you go in a

01:09:23.820 percentage it does he's talking about integration he's god you so this is back to university

01:09:29.580 mathematically impossible for motion to exist it's an illusion i see i don't think that's true

01:09:35.420 i don't think that's true i don't think he thinks it's true that's the worst part

01:09:39.500 right so let's hear our know your meme says nothing ever happens is a catchphrase and mantra

01:09:45.340 commonly said on 4chan's board poll to signify that no major global events of significant

01:09:51.420 magnitude have perceivably happened in past decades nor will they happen in the future

01:09:56.780 the mantra is the direct opposite of the it's happening memes and has often been used in response

01:10:01.660 to participate to anticipate as global changes not happening so so so where i mean that's not a

01:10:08.540 proper origin is is it because the sort of people on 4chan have just come out of school where they've

01:10:13.020 spent yes the last five years being taught about the second world war and therefore every time there

01:10:18.300 isn't a third world war that's that nothing happens yes yeah that's how it originated from 4chan

01:10:24.460 right since at least as early as july 2014 and basically it's people saying nothing ever happens

01:10:31.260 and it was spread lately and says that every single happening has been cancelled listing major events

01:10:37.180 such as the jeffrey epstein's death the covet 19 pandemic the 2020 george floyd protests but also

01:10:44.460 think of the epstein binders it was huge hype that they would be released but they weren't correct

01:10:51.340 so did it happen not in that particular case that doesn't stop the fact that yeah you know

01:10:59.020 so here we have chat jack also known as pole jack is another variation of the long-standing

01:11:04.460 character wojack and is actually had has its origins from the meme known lepo face or lepo lack

01:11:13.900 the parent meme which originated in 4chan is meant to depict the cliche appearance of the average 4chan

01:11:21.660 insoles far-right public shooters and other similar characters it was modeled to resemble patrick

01:11:27.660 crucius the shooter from the 2019 el paso shooting but obviously the meme has a life of its own and

01:11:32.860 people who are using it doesn't mean that they are condoning the actions of the shooter that's fair

01:11:37.740 enough let's not be paranoid and basically that's the the origin of it that's that's the guy in a diaper

01:11:46.540 where it comes for yes but okay so i i think there's something really good in it okay obviously

01:11:53.180 they don't say that they nothing ever happens literally just all open open any history book

01:11:59.260 you have all sorts of happenings yes it's more an issue of you know happenings of a major geopolitical

01:12:07.180 significance which sometimes they do happen yes they're wrong if taken literally but i think that as

01:12:12.940 a matter of approach to things it's a good antidote to crappy sensationalism because there are lots of

01:12:20.620 people who want to basically make a name of make a name out of saying not communicating not the truth

01:12:27.260 but something that is total bs just and they gain fame because they say something that is a bit outrageous

01:12:34.940 and people link them with that outrageous rhetoric and they make a name out of the same but they're

01:12:41.020 contaminating discord i mean you could just say no you're exaggerating a bit instead of nothing ever

01:12:47.500 happens yes yeah but it's more an issue of no no i want your attention on this there are a lot of people

01:12:53.980 who are just crappy and just constantly say things just because they want to link their name

01:12:59.740 at least at least they're more right than the people who say nothing ever happens because they're just

01:13:03.580 clearly entirely wrong yeah but the point is that if obviously it's not meant to be taken literally

01:13:09.660 it's more an issue of you know just keep calm and uh try to think try to filter things and abstract from

01:13:17.660 all the stupid nonsense that are being communicated to you because a lot of there are lots of sophists

01:13:24.300 lots of people who are putting the siren trying to say constantly breaking it's happening civil war

01:13:29.420 civil war civil i for one and i'm generally extremely ignorant when it comes to memes and all kinds of

01:13:34.380 things so i uh i feel that my uh deficiencies are being corrected okay with an education about this um

01:13:43.980 um okay and yeah i'll end with this one with uh this and some else is they say please consult the graph

01:13:55.180 zero happenings okay right and then percentages of happening world war three economic collapse civil war

01:14:02.300 nothing consult the pie chart well we're in economic collapse at the moment yeah but it won't happen

01:14:11.020 we're not starving yeah and here we will end with a we'll end with a wholesome meme say billions must

01:14:17.580 smile and you have here the soy jacks here are dancing and they have the hearts say billions must smile you

01:14:26.700 matter that's it okay all right so it was a bit more cheerful i guess i think we should end with a

01:14:34.700 good note because he constantly asks us to do good segments and white pills and sometimes you

01:14:41.900 don't watch them but let's do that these people are clearly democrats and they've gone outside they

01:14:46.860 wouldn't do that that wouldn't happen that's how nothing ever happens um and hedonism says nothing

01:14:54.460 happens u.s boots will never touch iranian soil only u.s wait okay only u.s bombs from israelis no loss

01:15:03.260 except the world's largest founder of terrorism terrorism it says here 78 percent of iranians oppose

01:15:10.780 the mullahs c 1970s iran that's a random name says nothing ever happens well i suppose that's true

01:15:16.860 if you're a 40-week fetus whose leftoid mother has second thoughts about living with the consequences of

01:15:23.420 her decisions busted brian says the nothing ever happens concept is incumbent upon absurd and atypical

01:15:30.780 geopolitical shifts as perceived by polex nuclear war total collapse of a major western power apocalyptic

01:15:38.060 disease etc so that's exactly what it is okay right so it's it's all about taking things with a pinch of

01:15:44.060 salt fair enough fair enough and let's go to the videos and now again here we are in albany new york

01:15:51.580 and we're outside the old english pub and pantry

01:15:57.900 and right across the way from our old english pub and pantry we find ourselves at the

01:16:08.060 irish american heritage museum must get interesting on saint patrick's state

01:16:18.540 nice let's go to the next one eight five rows in charge of transmilitary

01:16:24.940 great great

01:16:28.060 nice that's a good parade yeah warhammer parade it's a proper parade

01:16:57.940 i mean the parade was a bit of an embarrassment wasn't it i haven't watched it it's let's go to

01:17:04.060 the next one you say the best way to know a thing so take it apart put that together this is exactly

01:17:17.380 what's wrong with the modern world people think they can deconstruct what's around them and then

01:17:21.320 make a half-assed attempt at putting it back together which they always get wrong in fact

01:17:26.020 it was italian philosopher giambattista vico using christian doctrine who described the truth of the

01:17:31.440 matter to understand something one must have created it that has so many other implications

01:17:39.220 what's going on there because i i did hear that in the comics iron man had been replaced with a black

01:17:46.120 teenage girl they're not actually doing that in a film are they i haven't heard this sorry

01:17:51.320 well that that that's stupid nobody's going to watch that but they don't learn right they don't

01:18:00.800 they go woke you know the okay the line all right let's go next one zest the king from lincoln cathedral

01:18:09.800 it's really beautiful incredible

01:18:13.320 incredible

01:18:21.320 that's beautiful architecture

01:18:25.160 i think luca has showed me some photos from lincoln cathedral as well right great i mean doing that

01:18:37.660 is remarkable but doing it in the 14th century or whenever they did that one supposedly were more

01:18:44.120 advanced than they are yes i think i'm entirely convinced you don't do anything like that there's

01:18:49.160 a line by victor hugo i think that says that the press killed architecture i don't remember where it is

01:18:54.520 but he was saying that before we had the press humanity uh made statements in buildings right that's why you

01:19:01.800 see ancient temples for instance there are sculptures there are all sorts of stories if you focus on the

01:19:08.280 architecture that gladly sacrifice a bunch of journalists and uh in exchange for building more

01:19:13.000 cathedrals if if that's the offer about the book yeah right fair enough uh okay let's go to the

01:19:19.640 comments now is this america first uh yes a number of people in the comments are asking when real

01:19:24.920 politic is starting good question i was supposed to come out yesterday i'm not sure what happened to

01:19:31.400 the first episode oh okay well we tracked that down then we're trying to find out what's happening

01:19:35.480 with that um alex ogle says iran doesn't need intercontinental ballistic missiles they only need

01:19:40.920 ballistic missiles all they need is something that is near impossible to intercept that can rain down

01:19:45.080 on israel and threaten any other nation in the area uh recall iran uh is sheer majority in the rest

01:19:51.320 of the area sunni majority and that's worse than um catholics uh versus protestants i mean okay yes fine

01:19:57.400 but that so i i get why that might be a concern for israel but but but back to my question how is this

01:20:03.640 an american first policy i can understand how it's an israel first question but i don't

01:20:11.240 get how it's a american first question honestly i think i think it's an issue of geopolitics because

01:20:16.360 the america first isn't just suddenly we stop being a major geopolitical force

01:20:22.120 on american israel is critical for american dominance of the middle east yeah but this is still a war of

01:20:28.840 choice because at at this stage given the battering that iran has taken it is not a credible threat to

01:20:38.200 israel's existence um it's just able to retaliate we'll see how long they can sustain that ability

01:20:45.080 but the israelis decided to sort of get this out of the way i think they're going to end up empowering

01:20:50.040 turkey i think they're going to end up in poor empowering turkey and everybody's going to regret

01:20:55.560 having a much more powerful turkey well they've become significantly more islamic over the last

01:21:01.800 20 years the leadership has yes the public has to some extent yes um the whole secular experiment died

01:21:12.520 in turkey uh lord inquisitor hector says at this point if trump went to israel and said you either

01:21:17.240 knock this off or toss you to toss you so far under the bus and abandon you to the point you'd be

01:21:21.320 pulling a drive shaft out of your house i'd be okay with that uh mathurin says dan it's not that

01:21:26.280 the mullahs hate americans they hate america while having nukes um yeah i mean so so does north korea

01:21:33.480 and pakistan yeah um someone online says obama was the first nobel peace winner to bomb another nobel

01:21:39.720 peace prize winner who had a nobel peace prize i don't know was it i'm trying to think that this

01:21:48.600 palestinian guy or no he didn't bomb arafat arafat was long dead oh i might i might look that up

01:21:55.800 might look that up right for the murderous parliament they will fight tooth and nail for the right to

01:22:02.840 euthanize anyone from babies to troubled adults through to terminal patients but god forbid we euthanize a

01:22:09.080 single rapist or murderer that's a such an important point that they are not willing to kill for

01:22:15.400 justice but they are willing to kill the vulnerable that's an excellent point thank you um it's only

01:22:21.320 considered in alleviating the pain of the state of for having to deal with you and not the victims who

01:22:26.440 might want a glimmer of justice yes that's omar awad yeah thank you that's that's an excellent comment

01:22:33.560 uh federal agent i know a grandmother who was given the wrong medication by the nhs which gave

01:22:38.920 her a heart attack at 7 a.m the next morning when the family weren't there two doctors came to ask

01:22:44.120 her to sign a do not resuscitate order order the banality of evil yeah that's happened to a uh friend

01:22:50.280 of mine's relatives as well um they tried to sneak in this d these dnrs and um it's gotten so bad

01:22:59.320 that you have to be connected to somebody at the leadership of the hospital like actually have

01:23:04.760 middle eastern style connections uh and then they'll get you off the dnr if if if you have

01:23:10.760 these connections but they are prioritizing killing not healing um the nhs is a is a disaster

01:23:21.720 uh paul neubaker neubauer why not make abortion legal up until age 18 yeah it's the same principle

01:23:28.360 federal agent the nhs is their god and it demands sacrifice unfortunately true lord inquisitor hector

01:23:36.360 rex canada's assisted suicide now accounts for 10 plus of deaths no it's 4.7 and it's the third largest

01:23:45.800 cause of death i believe but there is an issue i think in how they count um and it's only increasing

01:23:52.760 yeah the the pace of increase has slowed down but it's increasing and overwhelmingly um it's white

01:24:00.760 elderly people who are being euthanized in canada someone online says you do not need the government

01:24:07.640 in order to kill yourself lady stop trying to make murder an institution exactly exactly exactly

01:24:15.160 dirty belter the baby doesn't have a soul the baby is just raw material to be disposed of so you can

01:24:20.120 continue to sleep around believing there is no consequence i hate liberalism this is what

01:24:25.160 results when you take the clockwork soulless view of the world exactly if there is life after death

01:24:31.320 then these people are in for a reckoning yep yep and there is uh chance bell the left is literally a

01:24:38.920 death death cult focused against the innocent and the good and the vulnerable that's the worst part

01:24:45.160 about it paul neubauer why not make abortion yep read that az desert rat here's what i don't get

01:24:52.920 the nhs doesn't want to pay for lifelong care for people who are considered terminal however they are

01:24:58.280 perfectly happy to create a lifelong patient through gender affirming care the math ain't mathing that's

01:25:05.400 because it's spiritual malaise it's not just the economics of it it was if it was just the economics of

01:25:11.960 it you'd sort of mix together elderly care and child care and you'd you'd find a solution that way

01:25:19.160 but um it's a spiritual malaise ewin baker so now won't sound schizo when i say the government wants

01:25:26.840 to kill me just for being autistic and having fibromyalgia um no no bro mia yeah yeah yeah

01:25:35.240 go on i i did find out who obama bombed so um basically it wasn't an individual but medicine

01:25:44.680 sans frontier so doctors without border right they collectively won a nobel peace prize and they had a

01:25:50.520 hospital in afghanistan and obama bombed it and apparently obama did quip when he got his nobel peace

01:25:57.080 prize that he got it because he bombed all the other contestants and literally turned out to be true

01:26:02.920 right so someone online says i think a big part of nothing ever happens how gen z has been

01:26:10.760 constantly fear mongered to since we were kindergartners we were told the world was about

01:26:16.200 to end because of terrorism we were told the world was about to end from global warming we're told the

01:26:22.120 world was about to end from overpopulation the world is still here nothing ever happens yeah so it's

01:26:28.600 that makes more sense that makes a lot more sense yes yes it's more you know being against sensationalism

01:26:35.160 and and i would accept that definition yeah furious dan perhaps the only thing that ever happens is the

01:26:41.240 friend we made along with the friends we made along the way i very much enjoyed stelius's meme review and

01:26:47.000 look forward to more i do so you're gonna do more mean myself yeah i want to do some more fun stuff

01:26:52.840 yeah lord inquisitor hector rex thank you so much for this segment stelius when i question if it

01:27:00.520 actually happened probably do right then chance bell but nothing ever happens guys are mostly of the

01:27:07.240 opinion opinion that things happen but nothing substantial changes despite a populist leader

01:27:13.560 winning the u.s still goes to war with middle middle eastern freddie holes and sends all your tax

01:27:20.600 dollars to israel this what they are lamenting in my opinion now me roberts when it comes to

01:27:26.200 nothing ever happens i consider it an extra layer of protection for my brain why soon worry when what

01:27:32.680 must amount to 75 of the news stories do not come to pass fear porn for clicks in the attention economy

01:27:39.480 absolutely and i think that goes even before gen z it's it was constantly the case that everyone was

01:27:45.480 saying the world is about to end even american school children have to run under their desks

01:27:50.360 to practice what they would do in the event of a nuclear strike or something like that definitely

01:27:55.080 also we had the new left in the 60s and 70s talking about yeah all the destruction of the of the earth

01:28:02.440 then that went to global warming then then there was global dimming so so in order to not get sucked

01:28:09.320 into the nothing ever happened mean all you need to do is consistently ignore left-wingers so that

01:28:15.800 you don't get it's not an issue of that it's just you like go by you don't have to take it literally

01:28:21.480 like oh okay i just saw something happening it so therefore you're false it's more an issue of

01:28:27.800 how you think of what you are exposed to when it comes to to communication i'm going to help you

01:28:36.040 upgrade the nothing ever happens mean uh on my ex there is a post about a lebanese saxophonist who is

01:28:46.280 playing his best melodies while iranian missiles are falling into israel and oh yes that's all that

01:28:55.320 yes so um i think that's the ultimate expression of nothing ever happens the music must go on or

01:29:00.920 something yeah we could show the bomb but it's okay i think that's that was a fun way to to end the

01:29:06.920 podcast today because it was a bit bleak it was a little bit yes sorry okay so thank you very much

01:29:12.760 for being here with us uh i really enjoyed it and um hope to see you tomorrow at 1 p.m do we have

01:29:20.040 something afterwards do we i don't know do we do we no okay so no we don't nothing ever happens

01:29:26.200 real politics is on monday next monday next week right so um see you tomorrow have a good one

01:29:39.080 tomorrow 1 p.m goodbye

The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - June 17, 2025

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