The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1189

00:00:00.000 Hello and welcome to the podcast of the Fabian Society. I'm your host, Sir Sadiq Khan, today

00:00:11.520 joined by Stephen Wolf and Luca Johnson. Hello. How are we feeling today, boys? Pretty ill with

00:00:20.040 that face. I've got it. Yeah, as well. Making me queasy. I, on behalf of the Fabian Society,

00:00:25.480 would like to thank Jamie for sending in some publications to us, presumably for the receipt

00:00:34.720 of Harry Robinson, evil fascist, from the Fabian Society itself. Punishment and reform by Sadiq

00:00:41.240 Khan. Fairness and favours by Sadiq Khan. Breathe, tackling the climate emergency by Sadiq Khan.

00:00:49.800 Signed copy. Where did I put my signature? Oh, it's so difficult to forget. I signed so

00:00:54.320 many right there with a great write-up from Ed Miliband. And finally, a book from my good

00:01:00.180 friend, Ash Sarkar, Minority Rule. Adventures in the Culture War. Ash Sarkar, noted anti-culture

00:01:07.400 warrior. So, thank you all very much for that. All right. Hi. I was going to say, I'm back.

00:01:16.880 Jesus Christ. Need a clean shower after that. Hello, friends. It's the podcast of the Lotus

00:01:22.420 Eaters. And today, we're going to be talking about Trump's recent actions and how they're

00:01:29.280 going to play with his base. The details of the Casey Report and immigration bringing in

00:01:35.620 big problems to Japan. Luca, you are taking the role of Josh for this segment, aren't you?

00:01:41.440 I am Japanese adjacent. I visited it once, so I'm an expert now. Oh, yeah. Also, we got

00:01:47.120 this Sadiq Khan mug, which has his mug on it. You say we, but you're the only one that's

00:01:52.960 ever going to use it. Yeah. I'm only going to use it this once. I'm not going to be like

00:01:56.920 Connor. It's going to get dropped like those books. Oh, I don't know. There might be a secret

00:02:00.780 love affair forming here with the Khanites. I'm not going to be like Connor with his Ken mug.

00:02:06.340 Either way, anything else we'd like to say before we start, gents? I'm just relieved the mask is

00:02:14.520 off. Yeah, me too. No one cared who I was till I put on the mask. Right. Anyway, I think we should

00:02:22.360 get into it. So this is a segment I'm going to be doing where I'm going to be looking at Donald

00:02:30.740 Trump's recent actions and his recent policies and contrasting them with the promises and implied

00:02:38.300 promises that were made both in his 2016 election campaign and the 2024 election campaign. And I will

00:02:46.060 be critical. I'm wondering how it is it's playing off against his base. But we are in England. We're

00:02:52.700 on the ground in England. We can only get a very limited view of how people are thinking about things

00:02:57.500 in America because we only have access to a limited slice of public opinion, what we see on the

00:03:02.940 internet. So as I go through all of this, please let us know how you're feeling about it. And also, I am

00:03:10.900 going to be critical during this. So please forgive me for that. Don't hold it against me. I'm not your

00:03:18.160 enemy. I simply want what is best for the West and the US in general. And I think that what's been going

00:03:24.580 on, particularly with the aggressive actions towards Iran recently, is not what's going to be best for the

00:03:31.800 West. If the US does decide to engage in a ground war with Iran on the side of Israel, I do believe that

00:03:38.420 given that Iran is a regional hegemon in that territory in the Middle East, that like what happened with

00:03:45.060 Iraq and Afghanistan, it will probably lead, instead of a very swift and smooth regime change, to civil war

00:03:54.240 in the area, especially with the 15 million or so, I think it was 15 million or so, Afghans who entered

00:04:00.940 into Iran after the fall of the Western-backed government that was in Afghanistan at the time,

00:04:07.060 all of whom are going to occupy, who are going to be a fifth column within the territory. Iran itself is a

00:04:16.600 very ethnically mixed population, 50 or so percent Persians, but that data is quite old now, so I don't

00:04:25.080 know exactly the ethnic maker, but it's very diverse, and this always leads to civil war.

00:04:29.940 And we're back. Thank you very much for sticking around everybody, I can only assume that Sadiq Khan's

00:04:45.560 office decided to shut us down temporarily under false accusations of identity theft. Either way,

00:04:52.400 as I was saying, just to preface everything I'm going to go through, if there is ground war in Iran,

00:04:57.020 I do not think that it will lead to World War III. World War III will not happen, because Russia and China

00:05:02.380 are not going to actually engage with the US in any great capacity. I think the worst case scenario,

00:05:08.820 which is the most likely scenario if that happens, is civil war that leads to migration flows.

00:05:13.760 Either way, so starting off with deportations, we know one of the big things that people voted for Trump for

00:05:19.160 was to stem the flow of illegal migration into the country, which, as far as I know,

00:05:23.780 given border crossings have drastically reduced, has been relatively successful. But one of the

00:05:29.960 things that he also promised was huge numbers of deportations, as supported by Stephen Miller and

00:05:36.720 other people within his administration. The recent news is that on Truth Social, he called to federal

00:05:43.260 agencies to do all in their power to deliver the single largest mass deportation program in history,

00:05:48.300 and he named LA, where the riots have been going on recently, Chicago and New York as specific targets.

00:05:54.100 So that's words, but what other actions have been taken? Well, the really disappointing news, as

00:06:01.360 reported on by all people of National Review, is that the DHS recently decided that it would not conduct

00:06:10.660 worksite investigations or operations on the agriculture, restaurants, and hotel industries.

00:06:16.300 The new policy is a form of administrative amnesty for illegal workers in those industries.

00:06:22.020 As with the NEM amnesty, the recipients are allowed to remain in the US for now, but their status

00:06:26.740 comes not from Congress changing the law, but from the administration declaring that they won't

00:06:31.300 enforce the law against them. According to this report here, the current estimates are that this

00:06:36.940 covers about 12.5% of illegal immigrants. But one of the problems that it also brings is the new

00:06:43.580 incentives, which is that if you are an illegal immigrant in the US, you want to stay, you might

00:06:49.360 move into those industries so that you can be a recipient of the administrative amnesty. And if you

00:06:58.520 are someone trying to cross the border at the moment, then you will go straight into those industries

00:07:03.420 so that you can avoid being deported straight away. So as far as I'm concerned, that's very,

00:07:08.820 very disappointing. That is quite a step back from the initial promises that were made all for the

00:07:15.660 sake of, I assume, protecting cheap labor in those industries. Really, the job should be going to

00:07:21.320 Americans. All aliens are illegal, but some are more illegal than others. Exactly. Then there is...

00:07:27.800 Have you got the numbers on this? Because when we were looking at, like, the fact is looking about

00:07:31.980 two million. Yes, two million amnesty recipients. And that's according to the estimates from the

00:07:37.180 Center for Immigration Studies of 15.8 million illegal immigrants. And I don't know how accurate

00:07:43.280 those estimates are. Pretty reasonable. I've been following this and looking at the numbers since

00:07:48.060 to see that how the border has been controlled. And so to slow this down. And we've been watching

00:07:52.940 the arguments about that. And you're quite right to pick up the fact that there has been a real big

00:07:57.080 lobbying process by industry to try and stop these people from being deported. And what seems to be

00:08:04.380 happening is, and I don't know if you're going to cover this as well, is that the contraction of

00:08:08.520 those that they're also going to remove is down now to criminality. So serious criminals, money laundering

00:08:15.080 issues, drug enforcement cases, which takes that number even further down from the 15.8 million.

00:08:21.940 And there's a lot of anger out there. I mean, that I've seen and been watching at this, that there is

00:08:27.100 a feeling that he's being taken over by their equivalent of the blob. They call it the deep

00:08:33.300 state, that they're allowing this economic reasons. Well, as we go along here, I believe there is plenty

00:08:39.020 of reason to believe that the Trump administration has been co-opted by the neoconservatives, the deep

00:08:46.860 state, whatever you want to term them, that he is not keeping his promises. Although, of course,

00:08:53.020 if you actually listen back to the sorts of things that he was saying in both of his campaigns,

00:08:57.580 his promises could occasionally be very vague, whereas some of the more clear statements that

00:09:03.440 he made, especially regarding immigration, were things like that he wanted DACA recipients to be

00:09:09.420 able to remain in the US. He still wanted people to be able to come in, in huge numbers,

00:09:14.780 never before seen numbers of immigrants into the country, but as long as they were doing it legally.

00:09:20.580 He still wanted to make sure that there were lots of students, especially from China, coming into

00:09:25.400 the country. So there is a lot that you could say about whether he made very definitive promises

00:09:32.580 or not. Either way, very disappointing for what people were initially voting for him for.

00:09:37.500 The other thing that I wanted to mention before we get to the Iran situation is the Epstein files,

00:09:43.540 which was a huge thing right at the beginning of his administration this year, but then got dropped

00:09:48.840 very quickly after February, when there were more than 100 pages of declassified documents

00:09:54.600 related to Epstein released, most of which we already had in unredacted form. These versions were

00:10:01.680 heavily redacted, and then Pam Bondi, who released them, made a big fuss about the fact that possibly

00:10:09.540 parts of the FBI were withholding them. We heard very, very little about it ever since then, except for

00:10:15.920 when Elon Musk had a big falling out with Donald Trump a few weeks ago, him out of the blue saying that

00:10:22.680 the reason that the files hadn't come out was because of the fact that Donald Trump's name was in them.

00:10:27.960 And that was a tweet that he has subsequently deleted, and I believe he's also apologized for it,

00:10:32.560 saying that he was going a little bit crazy. There's been some attempts to reconnect the two since then.

00:10:37.860 So that's the last we've really heard about the Epstein files, and I don't see that changing. I was

00:10:43.860 looking into reports, more recent reports on what's going on with them, and the most that I could find

00:10:49.520 was people speaking about Elon Musk's accusation. And now let's go into the Iran situation. I wanted

00:10:58.060 to try and be a bit more comprehensive with what's been going on with Iran, and I've been listening to

00:11:05.180 quite a bit of coverage. I listened to, let me double check his name, Brian Baletic on the Duran

00:11:12.600 recently. I listened to a bit of what AA has spoken about. I've been looking into a lot of what the mainstream media

00:11:18.960 has been saying about, so I'm going to try to go through the events as I understand them.

00:11:26.580 Going back to looking at what was going on right last year, for some reason, this article isn't

00:11:34.440 available on this browser. So I'll just read the notes that I've got here. So this article was from

00:11:40.200 November of last year, which was the time when Iran and Israel were flying off a initial volley of

00:11:48.580 missiles at one another, and it seemed like Iran was testing the defensive capabilities of the Iron Dome.

00:11:54.340 If it came to a greater conflict later on. So Trump triggered initially, it says here, a standoff with

00:12:01.840 Iran after he abandoned the 2015 Accords, which were known as the JCPOA, that Tehran had signed with

00:12:08.220 world powers and imposed waves of sanctions on the Islamic Republic in what he called a maximum

00:12:12.520 pressure campaign. After this, he accused Tehran of violating the spirit of the agreement by funneling

00:12:19.700 newfound revenue to support its regional proxies, notably the Lebanese group Hezbollah, which we're

00:12:24.980 all familiar with by now. In retaliation, Iran significantly expanded its nuclear activities

00:12:30.000 and is enriching uranium near to weapons grade, despite insisting that its program was for civilian

00:12:35.880 purposes. We know now after an IAEA report from earlier this year, I believe they had stockpiles of

00:12:43.100 60% enriched uranium, and that was enough to manufacture, if they wanted to, nine nuclear warheads.

00:12:50.980 But at the same time in March, Tulsi Gabbard had done an intelligence report looking into the

00:12:56.620 situation where she had advised Donald Trump that she did not believe that the Iranian regime

00:13:03.100 was building nuclear weapons. And despite all of this, at the time last year, Iran was saying that

00:13:09.320 they wanted to maintain relations with America, and Donald Trump in particular, to try and negotiate

00:13:16.100 something in the future when it came time for his administration. He'd also accused earlier this year

00:13:22.080 in March, he'd said that Iran would face dire consequences unless Houthi attacks stopped because of the

00:13:28.000 Houthis, of course, being backed by Iran. He said that every shot fired by the Houthis will be looked upon

00:13:33.060 from this point forward as being shot fired from the weapons and leadership of Iran. Iran will be held

00:13:37.920 responsible and suffer the consequences, and those consequences will be dire. This was before

00:13:42.140 negotiations had started, so you could attribute a lot of this to typical Trump tough talk in the

00:13:48.340 lead up to negotiations. He also said back in April that the US was going to be having direct talks with

00:13:55.160 Iran, and this is when you start to see this phrase start to pop up quite a lot, saying that Iran cannot

00:14:01.240 have a nuclear weapon, which is a phrase that he started to repeat a lot in reference to people.

00:14:06.920 And that's when we start to see a big change in terms of the American mentality towards Iran and

00:14:13.480 where I feel that they've been taken over by the warmongers, the same sort of people that want to

00:14:17.820 have continual war in Ukraine, which is an issue that I know you're not touching today, but it

00:14:23.300 actually has become less and less tough on Ukraine and more and more tough on the idea that we have

00:14:28.920 this continual war. But what's interesting to me, we had the conversation this week on Radio 4,

00:14:34.540 I just happened to catch it in the morning, not by chance of wanting to listen to all the time,

00:14:39.240 but I was in the car, and the former head of MI6 was making a statement that in regards of

00:14:46.200 intelligence from the UK, they did not feel that Iran had the capability to be able to produce nuclear

00:14:53.400 weapons at this stage. So we tend to, along with the French, tend to have allegedly better kind of

00:15:00.440 connections into Iran when it comes to this kind of assessment. And the US, through its five eyes,

00:15:06.200 are supposed to listen to us. So either they're listening totally to the Israelis now and saying,

00:15:11.540 who are saying outwardly, they've got it capable, as you say, to do nine, or they don't have it and

00:15:17.040 they're using it as an excuse, as a plan to kind of do regime change in Iraq, because they've been

00:15:22.960 successful across the Middle East everywhere else.

00:15:24.840 Yeah, well, regime change we saw earlier this year in Syria, with the fall of the Assad regime,

00:15:30.640 the US has been involved in regime change in Afghanistan, very unsuccessful in the long run,

00:15:36.900 but they were involved in the first place, and in Iraq. So this does, this is just typical American

00:15:42.140 foreign policy. And for those who were hoping that, and voted for Donald Trump, in the hopes that he

00:15:48.840 would signal a change of US foreign policy, where they weren't going to play world police anymore,

00:15:53.340 where America first was going to signal some kind of foreign policy that didn't want to get

00:15:59.260 people dragged into wars in the Middle East. Foreign policy seems to have carried on just the

00:16:05.420 same as it always did the Pentagon and the deep state seem to be getting what they want. And I'll

00:16:10.460 show more evidence for that as we go forward.

00:16:12.260 It reminds me a lot, actually, of just over 100 years ago, when you look at US history with

00:16:17.740 Warren Harding and his campaign, it was all, you know, platformed on a return to normalcy.

00:16:23.340 A return to Iceland, you know, after America's, obviously, engagement in World War I.

00:16:29.260 Yes.

00:16:29.660 And, you know, wars in the continent, distant wars, far afield that don't really concern us,

00:16:35.420 and all of the massive social change that was going on at the time.

00:16:39.260 And so there's actually a similarity between Harding's platform back then and Trump's platform

00:16:45.180 most recently.

00:16:45.580 Well, shockingly enough, there's also a similarity between Trump's platform that he was campaigning

00:16:51.100 on and also FDR's platform that he was campaigning on in 1940, when he was explicit in his speeches

00:16:58.380 that he was going to keep the US out of any European war and make sure that American soldiers

00:17:04.940 were not going off to die for some foreign cause like happened in the First World War.

00:17:09.740 But we know, actually, now from a lot of diaries, a lot of declassified documents and other things,

00:17:17.740 that FDR was explicitly trying to manoeuvre the US into the war, trying to find any way to get US

00:17:25.260 soldiers into Europe. Not saying that...

00:17:27.340 As was the case in World War I as well.

00:17:28.940 As was the case in World War I.

00:17:29.740 And to manufacture consent.

00:17:30.700 Not saying that Donald Trump is...

00:17:32.060 Well, they make money out of it.

00:17:33.180 I mean, and I know this is an uncomfortable thing for our American audience, but in every

00:17:38.140 war that's occurred since the First World War, America's made money on it.

00:17:42.380 And they're going to make money, for example, on Ukraine, huge amounts in terms of the deal

00:17:46.060 that was done by Trump. After the Second World War, the reparations wasn't just how much we had

00:17:50.780 to pay and Europe had to pay back, we had to give up land, we have to give up assets to the

00:17:55.660 United States. So they benefited from that. And our empire declined with the growing

00:18:00.460 influence. And I think to an element of this, this is also about reconstructing the Middle East

00:18:06.620 for the long-term benefit economically of some of the bigger corporate interests,

00:18:10.940 which are often behind the warmongers. You know, we look at that and they turn around,

00:18:15.900 someone used to say, we want to get a McDonald's into every country. But in reality,

00:18:20.780 they want to get everything that's into every country.

00:18:23.580 Oh, yeah. Yes, totally.

00:18:24.460 Yes, it's all part of the liberal world order. So following this, we start to get

00:18:29.180 the negotiations going on. And Iran was already starting to get a little bit antsy about this,

00:18:35.180 where the Ayatollah was saying that Trump was lying about bringing peace to the Middle East.

00:18:41.180 These comments came after Donald Trump went on a four-day tour of the Gulf allies,

00:18:46.140 Saudis, Qatar, United Arab Emirates, and followed by quickly a start of a new Israeli military

00:18:53.420 campaign in the Gaza Strip. He said, the recent remarks of the U.S. president during his visit

00:18:57.980 to the region are a disgrace to the speaker and a disgrace to the American nation. Trump said he

00:19:01.980 wanted to use the power for peace. He lied. And then Khomeini said, the exact sort of thing that

00:19:08.300 you would expect him to say about Israel, the Zionist regime, malignant cancerous tumor,

00:19:12.940 little Satan, etc., etc. And it says here that while Iran's rhetoric against the U.S. and its allies

00:19:18.940 persists, Tehran and Washington were negotiating a new deal to prevent Iran from developing nuclear

00:19:23.340 weapons and to avoid large-scale conflict in the Middle East. Ali Sham Kani, a top advisor to Khomeini,

00:19:29.900 told NBC that week that Iran would commit to never making nuclear weapons, eliminating stockpiles of

00:19:35.500 highly enriched uranium, enriching uranium only to lower levels needed for civilian use and allowing

00:19:42.460 international inspectors to supervise it in exchange for the lifting of all sanctions on Iran.

00:19:46.780 However, Trump said he wanted to avoid a deal with Iran that resembled the JCPOA,

00:19:51.660 the one that Obama brokered, which was reached during Obama and Trump withdrew from. So he wanted

00:19:58.700 to prevent going down that same route again. And I thought I'd take a look as to what,

00:20:03.660 at the time, polls were showing regarding American support for talks with Iran and bipartisan support

00:20:10.780 was showing at least 69% for talks with Iran over aggressive conduct and 64% of Republicans

00:20:18.620 were also in support of that. So again, I'm interested to see how opinions have changed or if they stayed

00:20:25.340 the same, if more people are in favour of on-the-ground action with them now.

00:20:30.380 It's fascinating. 64% of Republicans were there saying that they want to continue with negotiations

00:20:35.980 with Iran. And because most people see common sense when we look, we're not big fans of Iran.

00:20:42.300 You know, are we anyone really shooting out and say, yo Khomeini? None of us are actually doing that.

00:20:46.620 You don't have to be in favour of or like a country's state or their state culture to want to avoid going to war.

00:20:55.100 That's right. Exactly that. And I think really, most of us are looking at this and saying,

00:21:00.300 dragging us into wars, whether it's against Iran, whether it's against China, whether it's against

00:21:04.780 Russia is not in the long-term interest of people. When we should, when we're spending so much,

00:21:08.620 our debts are too high. Immigration is moving around. And all the points that you're raising at

00:21:12.940 the moment are incredibly valid of why I think 64% of Republicans there were saying we don't want it.

00:21:18.620 Yeah. Yes. And the frustrating thing for me that I've encountered speaking about this on

00:21:24.140 Twitter, and I know that the Twitter is not representative of people, but I have encountered

00:21:28.300 a number of these war hawk, fear-mongering types who are saying that we need to because they've got

00:21:33.980 nukes and they've got all of this threat and they're going to target the West immediately after

00:21:38.860 they take care of Israel, et cetera, et cetera, is that they, like so many, are pushing for wars that

00:21:44.940 they will not fight. Absolutely. They do not expect that if war occurs that they will be boots on the

00:21:50.940 ground, putting themselves in the line of fire for the sake of freedom, freedom in the Middle East,

00:21:55.980 or freedom wherever you want to say. They are expecting other people's children to go and fight

00:22:01.740 and die for them. Similarly, there's an attitude that I've seen crop up in the UK over the past day

00:22:08.060 or so as well, which is that Iran deserves it because it's an Islamist nation and that somehow by

00:22:14.780 proxy initiating and involving ourselves in a war with Iran will somehow fix the problem of the

00:22:21.820 grooming gangs. And I think that is an absurd kind of tribalism that has no logical argument in its own

00:22:34.460 favour. And I would ask you this, when we were involved in war and regime change in Afghanistan,

00:22:41.020 after that project was over, did we have more or less Afghanis in England? More.

00:22:47.740 Of course we had more. And more Iraqis. And more Iraqis. The scheme was taken advantage of

00:22:54.220 by any opportunities. And I know the play. I've seen it before. I've seen it too many times in my

00:23:00.060 28 years to not understand where this will go, which will be that Iranians are the most evil,

00:23:08.220 despicable, repressive people on earth. We need to punish them for their crimes against humanity

00:23:14.460 until all of a sudden they're starting to move west as part of a refugee crisis, at which point

00:23:19.900 you're racist bigots if you don't want to take them into your own country.

00:23:22.780 Well, if you didn't want them, maybe you shouldn't have bombed them.

00:23:26.780 It's that argument as always. But anyway, so the next thing that I had was that as part of the

00:23:34.940 negotiations, tensions were continually rising between Iran and Israel at the time. And Israel

00:23:40.620 was seeming to start to gesture towards having an attack on Iran. But Trump had said explicitly

00:23:48.700 not to do that. End the Gaza war. Stop the Iranian threats. We are trying to negotiate at the moment.

00:23:54.540 You are not helping tensions by doing this. And this was back in, this was the day before.

00:24:01.980 This was the day before the attacks first started. So that is a final statement saying,

00:24:07.100 do not do it. And then the next day they did. The next day they did. So let's take a look at some

00:24:13.820 of the more context here, which is featured in this BBC article, which gives a bit more of the details.

00:24:20.060 So as I mentioned, the IAEA had said in its latest quarterly report, because again, just to add all

00:24:25.580 the context for this, the basis for this attack is being rested on the idea that Iran has nuclear

00:24:33.180 weapons or nuclear capabilities that they are just around the corner from developing nuclear weapons

00:24:39.020 that needs to be stopped. Because if they develop these nuclear weapons, there will not only be an

00:24:43.580 existential threat to Israel and other territories and other countries in the Middle East, but to the

00:24:49.340 West in general. They are insane, theocratic regime that can't have nuclear weapons under any cost.

00:24:55.100 That's what Donald Trump has said. Iran cannot have nuclear weapons. Even though, again, Tulsi Gabbard,

00:25:01.420 as part of the intelligence community, has said that from her own reports that they are not developing

00:25:06.380 nuclear weapons. Either way, the IAEA said in its latest quarterly report that Iran had amassed

00:25:11.260 enough uranium enriched to 60% purity to potentially make nine nuclear bombs. Potentially, not that they

00:25:18.140 were or were going to, but potentially. In the first few days following the attack by Israel,

00:25:24.540 three key facilities in Iran's vast program have been targeted. Natanz, Isfahan and Fordow.

00:25:31.980 The IAEA has said that a pilot fuel enrichment plant above ground at Natanz was destroyed.

00:25:37.980 The IAEA also reported that four critical buildings were damaged at Isfahan. Israel describes the

00:25:43.740 damage to Iran's facilities as significant. Iran is saying that it's limited. Of course,

00:25:48.700 we've got all the fog of war, so we can't really know for certain right now. Israel's also striking

00:25:53.500 sources of knowledge by assassinating at least nine nuclear scientists so far and a growing list of top

00:25:59.740 military commanders. From listening to IAEA's coverage of this, what he was saying about this,

00:26:05.100 and his father's Iranian, so he got the information off of his dad, is apparently it's the IRGC, isn't it?

00:26:12.060 Apparently, the way that organization works is that the members of it never actually retire,

00:26:18.780 so if military commanders get killed off in the line of duty or assassinated, as we see here,

00:26:24.460 what happens is just that the people who were slightly older than them who had retired or gone

00:26:30.220 out of active duty just fill in their places again. So it's a very interesting way that means they

00:26:34.940 maintain their reserves. Its list of targets, which includes military bases, missile launch pads and

00:26:41.900 factories, is now widening to economic and oil facilities. Iran's also hitting back with its own

00:26:46.780 expanding hit list as civilian casualties mount in both countries. To deal a decisive blow to Iran's vast

00:26:52.940 nuclear program, Israel would have to do significant damage to Fordo, its second largest and most

00:26:58.380 heavily protected site. The complex is deep underground in a mountain and it's where some

00:27:02.940 experts believe that Iran has stockpiled much of its nuclear weapons-grade uranium. Reports in Israeli

00:27:08.860 media say the current aim is to try to cut off access to the facility and Israel doesn't have bunker

00:27:14.300 busting bombs it needs to smash through all of the rock that's on top of the site.

00:27:18.940 When you kind of say this litany of all the things that are happening in terms of the information

00:27:24.540 that the IEA is producing, when you talk about the assassinations that occurred of scientists and

00:27:30.060 individuals, when we talk about expanding the ground war, does this not remind you of exactly

00:27:36.380 the same sort of play out that we were doing in Iraq with weapons of mass destruction which weren't there?

00:27:42.300 It certainly does. We know they weren't there so why isn't the public in our country getting really angry

00:27:47.420 that we're being fed more lies again when we've got people suggesting quite clearly from Tulsi Gabbard

00:27:54.140 in other words as the word called weapons of mass destruction that this is just created and being

00:27:59.900 created to give us the platform to be able to invade or get a bigger war coming through.

00:28:05.580 Because it's it's very very apparent isn't it that it doesn't really matter how much the public

00:28:13.500 in America or Britain or any nation in the west really consents to things happening. If the powers

00:28:19.020 that be want them to happen then they will happen. Well to try and to try to explain why it is that Iran

00:28:28.780 may have that much stockpile uranium. It is possible that they might in the future want

00:28:36.300 to consider developing nuclear weapons for its own defensive purposes. I do not believe that they

00:28:42.380 would be a belligerent given that they only have limited capabilities as it is and if they did they

00:28:48.220 would get nuked off of the map straight away. Instead I do think it's important to note that

00:28:53.660 Israel since establishing itself in the region has been increasingly belligerent, increasingly

00:29:00.540 territorial, expanding its territory, engaging in wars all backed by the number one superpower

00:29:07.020 and it has made it explicit that it wants regime change in Iran as does the US because they want to

00:29:13.660 return to maybe the old Shah, an exiled elite that would be more friendly to US interests, be more amenable

00:29:21.660 when negotiating contracts and deals for things like oil. Yeah and importantly a gap between Russia

00:29:28.940 and China. Yes and the gap between Russia and China. This is the long long-term aim and we I mean

00:29:34.140 I don't know how many of you have seen the kind of speeches and stand-up comedy in a way I should say

00:29:41.500 from the old Shah's family you know how many of them they want to put a new king back in a new Shah back

00:29:46.700 into Iran. So this isn't even about giving them democracy it's about giving them removing a theocracy

00:29:53.180 and putting in their own king who would be amenable to us and wasn't that exactly what caused the problem

00:29:57.980 in the first place? We the Brits put in somebody so rather than giving it to the hands of the people

00:30:03.660 anyway they're still going to be told who they're going to have running or controlling. They've had in the

00:30:08.060 past hundred or so years a number of regime changes backed variously by foreign powers that have

00:30:16.220 made it so that for a long while it was essentially a puppet state and the 1979 revolution aimed to

00:30:23.260 change that when the Ayatollah decided to maintain power and the Mullers maintained power as well and you

00:30:29.740 can think what you want about how they treat their own citizens how the regime behaves but the fact of the

00:30:36.700 matter is since then we have made it very clear that we are seeking regime change and so but we

00:30:41.500 do have a difficult challenge don't we and that difficult challenge is that we can't allow Israel

00:30:46.940 to continually feel as though it's being threatened and they need to there needs to be some form of

00:30:52.060 mechanism in place to get these people who could in particular the leadership I wouldn't say that

00:30:57.660 necessarily the people who absolutely abhor each other the Iranians at the top really don't like

00:31:03.580 the Israelis the Israelis really don't like the Iranians and America will come and always back

00:31:09.660 back Israel at any cost as you quite rightly said so how do we create a scenario where Israel doesn't

00:31:17.180 want to lose its crap and go out and bomb the hell out of Iran as it's doing now and the Iranians to

00:31:21.660 carry on doing what they want to do which is run a nuclear program. I think it would require somebody

00:31:26.460 like a forceful personality like Donald Trump to apply the pressure that America can and say we

00:31:33.420 need to resolve this peacefully because America does have the power to do that they are still the number

00:31:38.140 one global superpower obviously there are threats to that coming up but America doesn't in these

00:31:45.660 situations that it's been remarked many times that it seems there's no red line that Israel can cross

00:31:51.980 that America won't support them on and if that's the American choice in dealing with foreign policy

00:31:56.460 in the Middle East that's their choice but if you were to look to resolve this without conflict then

00:32:02.700 America would need to say here are the terms Donald Trump said explicitly do not attack Iran

00:32:10.220 the day after they do they do they do and it was frankly they were in the middle of negotiations

00:32:16.460 with Donald Trump at the time it was an unprovoked attack they initiated hostilities in this obviously

00:32:22.300 you can say a lot about Iran funding Hezbollah and other things but in terms of this conflict right

00:32:27.340 now that's the case and Donald Trump initially wanted to distance himself with it but since then

00:32:33.420 has gone all out belligerent so uh posting this yesterday on truth social saying unconditional surrender

00:32:43.740 unconditional surrender is Winston Churchill all over again and saying that which is like

00:32:49.660 sorry the US hasn't declared war on Iran has it has it i know that Israel Israel needs the bunker

00:32:56.860 bombs to be able to get to Fordow but they don't actually have those but the US has them so obviously

00:33:03.980 given that Israel can only put up a limited front for a for a short amount of time they need America to

00:33:11.180 begin giving them those bunker bombs or outright dragging themselves into the war anyway so what's

00:33:17.500 it going to be this was uh in regards to the Tulsi Gabbard thing and uh it does seem it does seem that

00:33:26.060 there is some suggestions that talks might go back into ceasefire and peace deals nuclear deals but we

00:33:33.260 will see how that goes so i thought i'd take a look at some of the reactions that we've had from some of the

00:33:39.180 uh pro and anti-war types who made up the MAGA coalition up until now so Joel Berry uh from the

00:33:47.180 uh Babylon Bee was saying one good thing to do if you're anti-war is to prevent a desert tribe of

00:33:51.260 bloodthirsty religious cultists from obtaining nukes which is the same line that we've heard for years

00:33:56.380 at this point which is just this one last war just this one last war you don't like war i don't like war

00:34:02.620 either i hate war but if we fight this one last war no more wars there's bullshit and you know it

00:34:08.940 said since 1914 that's that's yeah that's that's bs i'm sorry nobody's buying that anymore you have the

00:34:16.220 i only just learned who this man is right mark levin and i have discovered that he is an utter madman

00:34:22.860 posting the we in real MAGA real american patriots stand with you mr president our military and our

00:34:29.580 israeli allies whatever's happening we should strongly support our president and our troops

00:34:34.700 pray for them blah blah he posted this fake MAGA grifters if we're concerned well no no no this is

00:34:39.900 the real MAGA foreign policy according to him saying we are witness to a foreign policy unlike any other

00:34:47.420 since reagan thatcher john paul ii defeated the soviet union it's nothing like the recent failed

00:34:55.260 policies we've seen in iraq afghanistan and elsewhere it seems to me to be a direct continuation

00:35:01.820 of those same policies actually and if you read this article this is this is pure fanaticism there

00:35:08.220 there isn't actually a reasonable argument a rational argument made in here it's him just being

00:35:14.460 completely fanatical it's it's kind of strange to read uh gad sad who normally is quite reasonable on

00:35:21.740 some things uh disappointed me by going straight for the world war ii comparison because we can

00:35:26.940 never ever escape world war ii every conflict is always world war ii saddam hussein is the new hitler

00:35:33.740 the ayatollah is the new hitler if you don't support endless wars then you're just an anti-semite who

00:35:39.340 wants all of the jews to die that's his argument seemingly here uh very tiring to see this old one

00:35:46.220 trot it out it's the same about if you want to push out immigrants you're all and uh kind of nazis

00:35:51.580 as well so you know you cannot ever win either side yeah if you want to try and find a reasonable

00:35:55.900 way in which our kids aren't killed and we don't see mass immigration into our country but still find

00:35:59.980 a solution to ensure that israel is safe rather than bombing every every tom dick and harry that is

00:36:06.460 not really necessarily an israel scenario i think it's all about the military guys who want to make money

00:36:11.420 out of this i mean i think always follow the money yeah and this was this was one of this was the

00:36:16.780 most insane thing ever this is the evangelical um bill perspective i can assume which is has anyone

00:36:23.740 considered the possibility that america has miraculously survived so many close calls over

00:36:28.860 the centuries is that our purpose is to defend israel no we're not quitting israel no cancer we're

00:36:35.980 ever going to do that no nobody's nobody's ever considered that i thought america was supposed to

00:36:42.060 be a land for americans to make their own destiny when george washington said are these men with which

00:36:48.940 i am to defend america well he actually meant is are these men with which we are to eventually defend

00:36:54.380 a country that doesn't exist yet in 200 years down the line that's what washington was what washington

00:36:59.180 wanted that's why jefferson signed the declaration of independent and wrote it uh then there are the

00:37:03.660 people who've kind of turned on trump a little bit which is uh dave smith uh who's libertarian i

00:37:09.900 actually really like dave smith i know some people uh don't after his discussion with douglas murray but

00:37:15.180 i thought he came out looking much better than murray did uh he's apologized for his trump support

00:37:19.500 because his whole reason he was supporting trump in the first place was for his promises of being

00:37:24.620 anti-war and he feels that he's turned his back on that uh tucker carlson is probably the most

00:37:31.660 notable person to turn back on him he's released a statement here saying that trump if he wants to

00:37:38.140 maintain support from his base needs to allow israel to fight their own wars because of course my

00:37:44.220 perspective is if israel wants to go to war with iran they're a sovereign nation they can start their

00:37:51.340 own wars but they can also fight their own wars and it shouldn't be anybody else's responsibility

00:37:56.940 uh to drag them out of it and they'll do very well i think they'll be quite successful because

00:38:02.620 they'll also get lots and lots of funding from the states they'll get lots of military from there and

00:38:07.020 they've shown already that they can do it in syria they can do it in lebanon they've taken out four

00:38:11.900 countries in in less than a year and it's just that iran is much bigger but actually iran doesn't have

00:38:18.220 i mean as far as i'm unaware it doesn't really have that much more i mean remember a war with iran iraq

00:38:24.140 they had one too and there was a lot of lot of damage and china has not come in behind iran as

00:38:30.140 people thought they would do because they know if iran goes they're next uh donald trump has hit

00:38:36.700 back against him uh i'm going to speed through this now because this has been going on for a little

00:38:41.420 while this was a fascinating clip from a recent interview that's i think coming out today yeah or

00:38:47.260 tomorrow uh from ted cruz on iran where tucker carlson just asks him basic questions what's the

00:38:53.740 population of iran what's the ethnic breakdown ted cruz says he doesn't know and he doesn't need to

00:38:59.500 know and this is the exact same kind of complacent lazy attitude that made it so difficult for america

00:39:05.900 to affect effective regime change in iraq in afghanistan because you need to know the situation

00:39:13.740 on the ground in a country if you're looking to change the regime there because otherwise it

00:39:18.380 will just erupt into civil war as we saw jd vance has come out uh basically defending all of the

00:39:25.820 decisions that have been going on uh recently one of the interesting things that has been happening

00:39:30.380 as well is since the attacks have been going on one of the goals of attacks like this is to apply

00:39:36.140 pressure to the iranian regime so that they can have a popular uprising against them

00:39:42.140 where the people on the ground blame the regime for inviting these attacks in the first place

00:39:48.380 the problem is is that even in this article and i've seen a number of other reports saying similar

00:39:53.100 things uh what you're finding is people who were already against the regime in iran are saying

00:39:59.180 well yeah initially when we saw these oppressive um oppressive generals and members of the regime

00:40:05.980 being taken out we saw hope but now that it's becoming indiscriminate bombing attacks on

00:40:11.820 tehran we're seeing family members die we're fearing for our lives what you end up doing and

00:40:16.780 this is a similar thing that happened in germany when we were bombing hamburg uh you end up rallying

00:40:22.460 the people on the ground to a nationalistic cause because they don't see it as israel versus the iranian

00:40:28.380 state that's beginning to see it as israel versus the iranian people and so that actually causes

00:40:33.660 people to rally around their own own causes and put up more resistance and strengthen the cause of the

00:40:39.820 iranian state as well because they're the only people that they can turn to comes back to the uh

00:40:44.220 you know the enoch powell quote when he was talking to thatcher about i would defend this

00:40:47.900 country even if it had a communist government you know because it's that same thing it's like well

00:40:52.620 yeah as you say if your people are under siege then that that comes first above ideology yes and

00:40:58.620 then when we go back to the casus belli of the nuclear threat as well you can just look at anything

00:41:04.140 that this is the christian science monitor but you can find a number of other articles talking about this

00:41:08.780 sort of thing where the repeated warnings ever since 1984 really when west engine german engineers

00:41:17.500 visited a nuclear reactor and begin to warn that there was a production of a nuclear bomb

00:41:23.340 entering its final stage seven years away yeah seven years away 1986 in 1995 there's netanyahu

00:41:32.140 warnings that iran was about to finish a nuclear weapon etc etc so we know that this is just

00:41:38.220 the line that they are going through to justify it and if you're falling for this i'm sorry this is

00:41:42.860 the same line that we've had going back to 2003 with wmds justifying the overthrow of saddam hussein

00:41:51.020 netanyahu again for a long time has been talking about the fact that there needs to be regime change

00:41:57.820 and uh oh wait that's the same article twice apologies friends uh he's written a book about

00:42:04.460 it in 1986 called terrorism how the west can win i didn't know that this existed a netanyahu book on

00:42:11.180 how what needs to happen in the middle east you go up there and then you'll see it yes

00:42:17.820 syria iraq iran they've all fallen yes and then yemen's in there and yemen won't last long yeah so

00:42:24.460 that they can uh obtain a sort of regional hegemony or at the very least get rid of states that they see as

00:42:31.340 hostile to themselves and on the american side as well uh you you can go back 20 years and see

00:42:38.860 the warnings of pat buchanan talking about the neoconservative establishment within the american

00:42:44.140 government he wrote a book about a very good book that i'd recommend called uh where the where the

00:42:49.100 right went wrong how the neoconservative establishment i think it's took over the bush administration

00:42:54.860 or something like that where he was making it very very clear even back then that the whole point of

00:43:01.260 the american foreign policy had become to eliminate basically what was perceived as primarily middle

00:43:07.820 eastern threats to israel and he'd been talking about that for a very long time and then going to the

00:43:14.140 brian berelit uh but sorry let me just double uh berletic there that's his name he mentioned in a

00:43:21.580 interview with the uh the duran yesterday that there was a 2009 brookings institution policy paper

00:43:28.620 that basically lays out this whole play and i was able to find it for which path to persia and let me

00:43:36.380 just read out a little bit of this here because it's talking about different paths for an american

00:43:41.820 strategy towards iran it talks about a number of things including the bush administration's funding and

00:43:48.460 support for protests that had been going on um even during the bush administration basically trying

00:43:55.100 to encourage a kind of velvet revolution that they talk about but one of the things that keeps being

00:43:59.980 brought up here is regime change and they say regime change is another strategy that could involve

00:44:05.500 most of the other options in various roles first the united states might opt to employ some version

00:44:10.380 of persuasion to set up regime change regime change would seem far more palatable to americans

00:44:15.500 middle easterners europeans and asians and probably even to the iranian people if they believe that

00:44:21.660 iran had been offered a very good deal and turned it down indeed if this is the perception among iranians

00:44:28.220 more of them might be willing to oppose the regime thus starting with some effort at the persuasion

00:44:32.620 would be a good way to begin but if regime change were really washington's goal the united states would

00:44:37.740 have to ensure that the iranians turned down the offered deal while making sure that the deal looked

00:44:43.260 attractive to others if the iran experts are right that tehran is unlikely to compromise no matter what

00:44:48.380 is offered as long as it feels threatened then a clever approach to regime change might be to

00:44:52.780 simultaneously offer a good deal albeit not one so good that tehran might overcome its paranoia

00:44:58.380 while ratcheting up a range of regime change programs that leadership would perceive as a threat if iran

00:45:06.300 retaliated with a major terrorist attack that killed large numbers of people or a terrorist attack

00:45:10.940 involving wmds especially on u.s soil washington might decide that an invasion was the only way

00:45:16.860 to deal with such a dangerous iranian regime indeed for this same reason efforts to promote regime

00:45:22.780 change in iran might be intended by the u.s government as deliberate provocations to try to goad the

00:45:28.460 iranians into an excessive response that might then justify an american invasion now that's very

00:45:34.940 interesting that all of that is just available in a policy paper from 2009 that you can find online

00:45:41.340 which suggests to me especially when coupled with the fact that you can go back to 2007 and see

00:45:47.180 wesley clark talking about how immediately after the 9-11 attacks there was discussions on how to take

00:45:52.220 out seven countries in five years obviously the time scale extended but the countries remain the same

00:45:57.980 that was iraq syria lebanon libya somalia sudan and then finishing off with iran it seems to me

00:46:05.340 that donald trump's promise to drain the deep drain the swamp eliminate the deep state hasn't worked

00:46:12.780 if that was ever a promise he was going to keep in the first place because the foreign policy that i see

00:46:17.820 being pursued today seems like an unbroken continuation of the policy that has been going on

00:46:24.460 since at least the bush administration so again let me know what you think about this let me know

00:46:30.460 do you think that this is going to lose support for trump or do you think that people are going to be

00:46:34.860 able to excuse it or are you in favor of war that'd be very interesting i mean if if you are i'd like to

00:46:40.940 know if you believe the nukes um lie or if it's just that you genuinely believe that there should be

00:46:46.860 regime change if you admit the second i admire and respect your honesty sorry that went on for so

00:46:53.980 long chat there was just a lot there was a lot to go through there right well i was and it's i think

00:47:01.100 we'll get a lot of reactions on that so i i need to go right back then to where we were at the beginning

00:47:07.660 of this part which is ah seems to be all right well i think we're going to cut it cut it down

00:47:17.900 on on this particular occasion we've obviously know that the casey report has come out

00:47:22.300 uh and what i wanted to try and deal with here is that we've had a lot of talk about the initial

00:47:26.220 findings of the of the casey report i i think one of the things that i i would say and if i've got the

00:47:32.700 kind of uh mouse if i can just put put it in to get into this part on here and there we go

00:47:43.020 so i'll pull this up is i want to try and deal with just some of the key points

00:47:49.820 of it and then dive into one or two what i regard is really really quite serious elements about it

00:47:56.540 the the first of all is that the pedophile sexual exploitation of girls we've known has gone on for a

00:48:01.660 while uh and we've been speaking about it the shows we speak about lots of been people have been

00:48:07.100 speaking about it and we of course know that they ex they excluded it and turned around and said right

00:48:12.460 it just didn't exist and everybody was attacked pretty much as i would say like delingpole was

00:48:18.700 at the beginning james so is this a cultural problem in this country i don't think that there is

00:48:24.700 there is a so-called rape culture i think it's a very emotive phrase i think i think most men

00:48:31.500 i think i think most men um know that no means no i don't think i don't think that uh that that

00:48:38.780 we've become more of a rapey society but i think one of the points you made you you referred i think to

00:48:44.380 to the uh to the grooming gangs in in rochdale and and in rotherham and and it's not just in the north

00:48:51.500 it's it's in in um in telford in in norfolk it's happened we we've got these organized gangs

00:48:57.900 mostly of of muslim origin i think we need to so just you know that we because of the sake of time

00:49:05.740 i'm going to cut that we all know that we saw it on tommy robinson and and and at the time we had the

00:49:12.380 argument that uh we we were saying that it was all covered up there was no no issues about this

00:49:21.100 that we now know from the case report that's wrong because we've got the data and we have here in adam

00:49:26.540 wren talks about the data in there the ethnicity of them the total people this was being used at the

00:49:32.380 time to say that it's just white people were just involved in this uh and then we come out with the

00:49:39.180 the national report which is there on the link for anybody who wants to read 197 pages i've gone

00:49:43.980 through most of it um and so to cut through of it and what we found very clear is on the key points

00:49:50.620 data suppression as we know we found the ethnicity of the perpetrators is shied away here two-thirds of

00:49:56.540 the perpetrators were muslims so the argument that you saw with delingpole being attacked and then

00:50:03.340 the efforts of people to say it was all about white people and used in reports it was untrue we know

00:50:10.540 that there's the growth of online uh exploitation that's involving white girls that's a key point

00:50:16.540 that's come out of there we've also had the fact that um more about some reason the legal failures

00:50:23.340 i might have to come back and maybe i'm just coming across it too quickly here online exploitation

00:50:33.580 and we had this point we saw the cases where most child sexual abuse were made up of white men

00:50:39.100 and this was the home office reporting itself and so you got this this was the basis of what you saw

00:50:45.900 in a lot of attacks that were going on on particular individuals and then we saw what we doing this again

00:50:53.100 coming in personally i always like to show this one is the way that so are you seriously suggesting

00:50:59.340 there aren't white drug dealers and there aren't white gangs of course i'm not no seek gangs or any

00:51:04.620 other kind of no i'm not but i'm saying some of these specific issues are coming from the islamic

00:51:08.940 community solely solely the islamic community terror right so we we all of that so the evidence that was

00:51:15.420 used by the the media the guardian the journalist was that was based on that that particular report and

00:51:23.500 what i found very fascinating about it is i'm not going to do the rupert low uh sorry we've already

00:51:28.700 seen that many times but it's the same sort of argument why are you doing this it's all it's white

00:51:32.940 people in there as well and yet the great thing that came out of this report is that it showed that

00:51:39.020 group group-based sexual exploitation characteristics of the offender was that this was where the report was

00:51:44.860 made by the home secretary i think i've looked through some of this in the past and uh even

00:51:51.660 within the data that they're saying just shows oh it's mainly white people even within that there are

00:51:57.260 little nestled paragraphs that say yeah well also it does seem that disproportionately uh compared to the

00:52:04.780 overall population within the country they do seem to it does seem to be like pakistani men committing

00:52:10.460 more of these crimes uh but they'd ignore all of that information you're quite right when you do look

00:52:15.820 into this particular report there are elements of those clear cases but we're ignored uh and i i think

00:52:21.900 if i'm going to go back onto this now uh i seem to be flicking away you then get it was priti patel

00:52:31.260 who presided over that report and if you remember what priti patel she came out recently and said it was

00:52:37.020 all great about the boris wave nothing was wrong with it and she also then went there was disproportionate

00:52:43.180 gang offending by ethnicity so the very elements within their own report which she presided over

00:52:49.260 she was in control of that report was ignored and the the this is one of my key points about it is

00:52:56.540 two elements that come from this but then casey comes out and it's at point six point two three of the

00:53:02.540 the report it basically says it is about ethnicity the ethnicity was it so what i wanted to look back

00:53:10.460 upon is how this state built up this kind of initial idea just to challenge tommy robinson tommy robinson

00:53:18.700 comes out he says that we've got muslim gangs out there the evidence starts coming through on telford we

00:53:25.900 we see it down in in norfolk we know it's coming from rotherham people start to speak about this and

00:53:31.900 delingpole gets on tv and then they're saying we've got a problem with this so we produce a a report

00:53:38.780 which is presided over by priti patel that has clauses that indicate yes but predominantly uses

00:53:45.260 data that suggests it's white men so that the newspapers like the guardian that you then challenge

00:53:50.860 it back and i find that that particular kind of historical way that the civil service and the media

00:53:57.180 work together to crush the idea that's why i think that's 6.2.3 you know coming out on this

00:54:03.660 is actually really instructive for us because just as you've talked about weapons of mass destruction

00:54:09.180 and the way that they're creating a narrative that narratives is brought back to some sort of

00:54:15.100 academic the academic in the brookings who's now saying let's let's work towards you know destroying iran

00:54:22.540 by regime change and they set out that picture we also have the academics and i i put in the names of

00:54:28.620 that sexual exploitation case in there and then if if you are if you do want to speak about it and you

00:54:35.580 do want to actually highlight the reality of what we're dealing with like uh delingpole did in the

00:54:41.180 beginning what we'll do is we'll stick you on national tv and we'll get you surrounded by a bunch of

00:54:46.060 really liberal oh it's not in my backyard audience members and they will just jeer and it makes me hot

00:54:52.300 with rage to see it you know to jeer and shame you so that you at home viewer know not to talk about

00:54:59.020 this that it's bad manners to talk about this and that you're a bigot for talking about it and um

00:55:04.300 even more infuriating than that is that a lot of these people do know yeah what's going on and this

00:55:11.100 is the same problem that i've seen with with many people there's there's there's two there's there's

00:55:15.900 two understandings of any situation which is the behind the scenes understanding of the situation

00:55:20.700 where you'll talk to these people when nobody's watching and they'll admit that there is something

00:55:25.580 going on they'll admit knowledge of what's going on but then for public perception when they're out

00:55:30.300 in front of a camera they will lie they will lie they will sneer yeah they will insult you so that every

00:55:36.540 again so that everybody knows that this is an uncouth opinion to have and hoping that you'll

00:55:41.820 just go by social convention and i agree this is part and parcel of their shtick it's the way of

00:55:47.500 controlling us and i and i find it really quite uh interesting in a kind of intellectual sense but

00:55:53.900 also the way that casey has come out and and blown this away and we we we know that the civil service

00:56:00.060 are trying to protect themselves that's why the report doesn't go on to a a national inquiry that deals

00:56:05.500 with the the home office and when you look at the conversations and discussions that were made

00:56:10.140 between journalistic questions and can be bad or not yesterday even she did not accept that we were

00:56:16.060 pursuing the same sort of civil servants that have already been raised concerns about by dominic

00:56:21.420 cummings they're protecting their own and yet we have someone like casey who's given us the opportunity

00:56:27.340 to say no this is wrong look back upon it and that it's a it's institutionally sanctioned now

00:56:33.180 which means that some people are allowed to admit it the best example that i saw i don't know if

00:56:37.900 you've got it in here have you seen owen jones about face yes on this subject where there was the

00:56:43.500 recent clip after this report was came out where he said it is happening and it is related to ethnicity

00:56:50.220 and it's not racist to talk about it and then you contrast it with a clip from only two years ago

00:56:54.940 absolutely 23 where he says it's not happening and the only reason that you would think it is happening

00:56:59.820 is if you're racist yeah so that just goes to show how quickly these people these cockroaches

00:57:06.140 will turn when all of a sudden well the correct institutions the experts say that i'm allowed to

00:57:12.300 say it now that's right and you can i saw it yesterday with a rotherham uh mayor who said that

00:57:18.060 we wouldn't have any investigation in rotherham but now questioned today yesterday we're saying well

00:57:23.500 the case report says we must have one so therefore we don't but her opinion really hasn't changed you

00:57:28.060 know the individual hasn't changed that person can't say one thing and another and really believe

00:57:32.540 two distinctly elements distinct elements they're only doing what they're told to do and that's a

00:57:37.340 great word to use cockroaches about them i think it's very important scuttle away the second uh

00:57:42.780 major take that i want to take from it is the blowing of this argument that asylum seekers and illegal

00:57:49.020 immigrants are not involved in this and i remember this this came up on the sun 2020 police scotland took

00:57:55.260 down a large-scale asylum seeker grooming gang in glasgow but kept it secret now i would like to

00:58:01.180 see anyone involved in police scotland go to prison for this yeah because i think they've aided and

00:58:06.140 embedded abuse by not doing anything you know on that but here is the point and i'm going to try and

00:58:12.460 whip through this dr ellie cockbane uh you know maybe i've not pronounced her name yeah yeah she wrote

00:58:20.700 into this piece of written evidence to the to the home uh select committee when when was it that she

00:58:26.780 wrote this in recently uh this is around uh two between 2020 i just when the initial report came

00:58:33.820 out yeah so it's coming in here and i think i did a clip for it just because i wanted everybody to be

00:58:39.340 able to see what this type of individual who's regarded as an expert on grooming gangs on sexual

00:58:46.460 exploitation on slavery who admits that she was that their organization was funded i think if i go

00:58:54.540 back uh to to this part here and go right to the top of it she talked about how well we are as an

00:59:02.620 organization how how important we are in terms of developing it and they were given there at 2.4

00:59:10.300 million pounds in research funding in 13 and another 1.6 million now i'd love to have been

00:59:16.460 given 1.6 million to be able to investigate this and do the reports but it wouldn't be this report

00:59:21.820 it would actually been showing the truth and the element that she puts out in there at the very

00:59:26.540 bottom it says we have a very dubious and lots of propagated dangerous inaccurate and racist stereotypes

00:59:34.060 about child sexual exploitation so this particular individual is able to write this report funded by

00:59:41.100 the government to create a narrative that there is no criminality behind illegal immigrants committing

00:59:48.620 sexual abuse and paedophilic activities because of sorry because of sheer ideological aversion to the

00:59:56.300 natural conclusions of what the evidence points to or the truth yeah and again the one of the worst

01:00:03.660 things about all of this is not just covering the crimes that have already been committed but the

01:00:08.860 fact that by misinforming people you are allowing crimes to be committed again in the future because

01:00:15.580 people who are not skeptical people who trust authority will see that and they'll say i have

01:00:21.500 nothing to be worried about you are misinforming them and not giving them the the information they

01:00:26.620 need to make the correct judgments to keep themselves safe they're walking home alone at night and

01:00:32.780 they might if they've been informed properly choose a safer neighborhood to go down but they don't

01:00:37.660 know that the dangerous neighborhood is a dangerous neighborhood and something terrible happens they

01:00:41.820 don't know that taxi drivers were being used to drug people and bring them across lines and transport

01:00:47.900 them and so what we have here again in the casey report this is the discussion of live police operations

01:00:54.620 significant proportion of cases involving suspects who are non-uk nationals and or who are claiming asylum in the uk

01:01:01.660 completely blowing the narrative of that ellie cockburn you know i think there's a lot of other

01:01:06.700 words that we can use in her surname in relation to that quite frankly and and any comments below

01:01:11.740 are more interesting versions than the ones i'm allowed to say but that type of individual i find

01:01:17.020 disgusting oh yeah i find it utterly disgusting and depraved to write a report that has led directly to policy

01:01:24.860 newspaper articles that have hidden the truth of the numbers and so that girls and people and

01:01:31.580 families have been destroyed because she's trying to keep that narrative and i'm pleased about the

01:01:36.460 second key point i find this the second really key point about this report is to so so the seeds that

01:01:41.820 it's not all white people the majority are uh pakistani muslims and other countries as well we now know

01:01:47.580 iran iraq so the end and end of it will be cultural aspects about it and again the argument is made as if to

01:01:53.740 say that well you have native um abusers yes so therefore therefore what it's meant therefore what

01:02:03.420 so just because we already have people who abuse people in this country who are from this country

01:02:09.580 originally doesn't mean that we should put up with or ignore foreign populations even if it was only a

01:02:15.340 couple of people we still need to deal with that as a problem yeah and the other argument i'm not

01:02:19.660 dealing with here because um casey doesn't deal with it uh in particular but it's one that i think

01:02:24.860 we should deal with is is the argument it's men yes the vast majority of these people are involved

01:02:31.340 in men i heard a stupid woman on lbc uh talking about how women it's women and men and white people

01:02:39.740 together about it there were women involved it's like minuscule numbers it is a majority of men it is

01:02:46.220 majority of men in terms of proportionality nationally of a muslim background but it isn't

01:02:51.420 men as a whole the proportions of people involved in this are minuscule in terms of the percentages

01:02:57.340 of men committing these rapes across the country when they talk about white men we've got a vast

01:03:01.580 majority of white men who are not doing this they're like us just being honest and decent individuals

01:03:07.340 treating women with respect and i've got to go and tell my daughter not to be afraid of all men

01:03:12.300 men because there are those out there who are saying it's men all the time yes men commit it

01:03:18.060 but not all men but then we got thankfully stark naked brief here is very good i find actually um

01:03:23.340 bringing out some real good data from the minister of justice on foreign national sex offenses again

01:03:29.340 showing that we got the context of foreigners coming into this country committing it committing the

01:03:34.860 offenses uh but the one thing that i do find missing uh from this report is what tom holland

01:03:41.580 raised here is the sensitive issues of ethnicity is religion that is what i call the glaring element

01:03:49.340 that's not in this report it is not really linked they talk about men and the ethnicity but they're

01:03:56.220 not linking the religion why is it that you've got all these different nationalities afghan iranian

01:04:02.300 and pakistanis all involved in it although they're in a smaller level and it's religion so i wanted to just

01:04:08.460 briefly go through that i've quickly gone as quickly as i could through it to wrap it up but

01:04:14.220 the two key points on that at the beginning of this piece is all the key elements that people look

01:04:19.100 at but i see the fact that we can now go out in debates and honestly show that the evidence that

01:04:24.780 the government did on white people being predominantly involved in this is nonsense that

01:04:30.060 there is criminality from illegal immigrants and asylum seekers and that we're very clear that

01:04:34.540 religion is not being dealt with in this report well it comes down to doesn't it as well the fact

01:04:39.740 that you know as we see recently with uh definitions of islamophobia and things as such that you're

01:04:46.140 legislating against answers certain answers simply aren't socially acceptable to be given even if they're

01:04:55.340 true but you can just write it into law that well we're not allowed to come to those conclusions

01:04:59.420 it's it's it's madness i mean i would argue uh the sort of ethnicities that we're talking about

01:05:05.660 tend to have a pretty strong correlation with uh being islamic anyway but of course that should

01:05:11.900 be mentioned explicitly in reports such as these as well because these people are coming from countries

01:05:19.100 uh where the people are majority islamic if not entirely over over to you all right uh oh you've got a

01:05:27.980 mouse oh yeah but i'll take the take a box i'll take a box you want to take this outside buddy

01:05:35.900 queensberry rules um samson are we okay to run over for a bit or

01:05:41.180 okay oh okay brilliant oh okay sorry sorry i should let you um i was whipping to bring bring you back into

01:05:47.580 time no trouble all right so uh trouble in japan i'm afraid ladies and gentlemen now i just want to

01:05:55.420 say right off the uh off the bat that uh i love japan i love their culture i love their history

01:06:01.420 i love their aesthetics right i think there's a lot to be admired about japan and so for the sake of

01:06:07.740 your health there's just a health warning here don't feel the need to drink every time i say

01:06:13.980 uh when i went to japan because that will get very very dangerous for you very quickly but uh i did go to

01:06:21.340 japan last year for a very fortunate to go for about two and a half months actually wow well i was

01:06:27.100 able to stay with a good friend and so you know fantastic cut the hotel costs yeah straight out of

01:06:33.420 it but it's for that reason that you know being there on the ground seeing their society seeing the

01:06:39.740 you know the fact that i was in osaka for months and months on end you know huge huge city did you pick

01:06:46.460 up any of the language um uh well not on the spot uh nihongo girl would carry my sin wow what does

01:06:56.700 that mean i can't remember it's a pretty good translation of i can't remember i think it means

01:07:02.700 i i don't understand japanese oh i don't speak japanese all right of course that's the phrase that's

01:07:08.220 the habitual one that's just yeah i think i'm gonna get the comments like no actually well yeah when i go

01:07:14.300 again i'll learn it again how about that but uh quiet sounds got mugged by a samson just got called

01:07:22.300 gaijin by the producer anyway the point is that um just for to explain it uh you're in a main major

01:07:30.780 city and cities are always associated with higher crime more distrust right trust is something for

01:07:37.820 the countryside right but my experience of being in osaka is bicycles left unlocked uh all over the

01:07:45.500 city you know umbrellas left outside your house every morning you just expect it to be there no

01:07:50.940 one's going to run away with it and cities can actually be clean which i know is absolutely shocking

01:07:57.500 right one time absolutely perplexing i was uh i was walking down the street and there was a

01:08:03.100 a uh girl in front of me and she just stopped dead in the road because she saw a cigarette butt

01:08:09.100 that had fallen down the drain and she picked this cigarette butt out of a drain and just carried it

01:08:15.340 around on presumably until she went and found the bin which are not very common right that's the

01:08:20.300 level imagine that happening in london very very respectful thing to do yeah that's a remarkable

01:08:25.260 level they'd lock you up as being mentally ill if they you know if they did that in london they

01:08:29.660 would they would yeah but it's that level of care wow for your civilization for the just the the city

01:08:36.780 that you inhabit and share with millions and millions of people right that that matters it's it's

01:08:42.220 aspirational yeah right it's aspirational and just as another example i want to present to you ladies and

01:08:48.700 gentlemen the most japanese headline of all time which was a japan minister resigns after saying he's never

01:08:56.060 bought rice right now this is i wish i could just say that this totally out of context that this was

01:09:03.580 a matter of him never eating rice before and that was well you have no right to represent are you really

01:09:09.980 japanese friend he probably likes you know curries right oh so so in extremely inappropriate remark at a

01:09:17.740 time when citizens are suffering from soaring rice prices right so it was just him putting his foot in

01:09:22.380 his mouth and then he's then he's just decided i can no longer work for the government i'm going

01:09:27.260 to retire into the mountains where i can think about what i've done there was a lot of pressure

01:09:31.020 because uh i think there were scares with earthquakes and that led to a panic buying of rice and they've

01:09:36.700 had bad harvest so there's huge inflation on the price of rice and so for him to say well i've always

01:09:42.300 been given it for free just didn't really look good as the agricultural minister of japan so yeah that kind of

01:09:49.340 was so it's kind of like the um chris rufo foot in mouth incident where he's like well you can just

01:09:55.020 work in panda express yeah yeah but the point is right our politicians have stuck around for far more

01:10:02.060 serious crimes than that right yeah so he felt the need that's my point he felt that yeah he's like yeah

01:10:07.980 i've i've messed up here so if i just go to but one of the if we go away from rice and to more serious

01:10:15.580 issues here so right i don't know about anime i'm not an anime guy my daughter because she loves it

01:10:21.980 right loves it not a weeb unlike samson who sent me a literal document earlier you went there for two

01:10:28.620 and a half months she's kind of weeby well i i never really went in like you know a manga store

01:10:34.940 or anything like that oh yeah yeah sure okay right maybe we will settle this outside

01:10:40.060 but uh anyway so but the reason i bring it up is because this uh this voice actress here

01:10:48.460 has obviously done a lot of anime work she's very very famous in japan uh this megumi uh hayeshubara

01:10:57.420 and she has basically went and uh wrote on her blog about the changing nature of japan and talks about

01:11:06.140 well with no rice in japan and then she just talks about the fact that more and more uh international

01:11:12.300 students are receiving subsidies for free and japanese students have to take out student loans

01:11:18.380 this is all starting to sound a bit familiar so there's a prioritization of foreigners yeah over

01:11:25.180 native populations and i find it also interesting here she says in the midst of all this uh there are

01:11:31.180 some people staying at vacation rentals with no manners foreign tourists who don't understand the

01:11:36.460 idea of yielding and even people who go so far as to scrape the bamboo in kyoto uh which i don't really

01:11:44.780 need to tell anyone is a bit of a no-no right uh it says and we don't have the regulations it should be like

01:11:52.300 it uh how japanese crayfish were instantly devoured by an invasive species

01:11:58.060 i like this pretty strong right yeah it's my kind of rhetoric uh maybe maybe i am an anime fan who

01:12:05.500 knows yeah well just because samson would never forgive me if i didn't mention this and also because

01:12:11.100 i think okay planning on doing with the thumbnail so this actress was the japanese voice actress for

01:12:18.380 this character called ray from neon genesis evangelion i'm not going to explain what it is i don't have the

01:12:24.940 next four hours to try and muddle my way through it all right but there has been a long-standing

01:12:29.660 fan debate over whether she is the best girl in the show or oscar is the best girl in the show so

01:12:37.500 samson is now saying ray confirmed best girl they're both high schoolers though samson you dirty dirty man

01:12:46.460 i was about to say as a man who's never seen a single episode i agree but

01:12:50.140 with that bit of information you gave me at the end i i disavow so you can see here some anime

01:12:56.300 fans just getting very uppity about a japanese woman being concerned about the state of japan

01:13:01.740 and so if you go here and these are just you know common occurrences now there's a uh there's more

01:13:08.540 foreigners obviously added over the top but as you um you can see you've got so you've got an islamic

01:13:15.420 center in japan now and most there are some jap obvious japanese muslims in there but most of them

01:13:23.100 aren't most of them aren't and it's why would they want to go there it's not even a language that easy

01:13:29.180 safe yeah because it's safe and everyone knows that japan is famously safe because they can get

01:13:35.100 subsidies right so because they can get benefits because they can get all of the privileges that

01:13:40.220 comes with living in a civilized nation right and what i was saying earlier about littering

01:13:47.820 no japanese person would ever do this no they will be beaten in the streets right by every passerby

01:13:55.020 yes and so but certain people uh probably not japanese are able to get away with things like this

01:14:03.340 and that's how it always begins and so i obviously but one of the main immigrant groups

01:14:11.100 that is particularly causing problems in japan yeah is the curds right now so apparently the

01:14:17.980 curds have been slowly filtering into japan since about the 90s right and despite that you might well

01:14:24.780 30 years it must be no there's about 3 000 of them right there's about 3 000 even that is enough then

01:14:31.740 that is enough what you get here is that most of them are in a uh uh kawa gucci city right and it said

01:14:41.260 that um there was a poll done recently last year and 50 percent of the locals said that they were

01:14:50.780 concerned for safety in public had become their number one concern right that's that's how much this

01:14:58.780 small little uh i think it's a district of tokyo right this little district of tokyo you can tell

01:15:05.340 it always starts you know with an enclave yeah just a little pocket of it and so and it's the same

01:15:10.860 problems right everywhere yes and that's kind of the point if there are any japanese people watching it

01:15:16.060 i want to tell you the reason we're all going oh yeah here we go is because we've been through this

01:15:20.620 right this is our the entire story of every western country for decades now and you're just starting to

01:15:27.740 speeder on it and the sad thing is though that if your political system is anything like ours and

01:15:34.700 your political leaders are anywhere near as accountable or unaccountable as ours i don't

01:15:40.540 know what to suggest how to how to fix it yeah because you'll have no choice it will happen to you

01:15:46.140 because it's being forced upon you because they'll use the same arguments that you've got an older

01:15:50.380 community that you're not producing enough babies therefore you've got population decline so

01:15:55.420 therefore we have to bring in lots of others who come in they've also had a notorious stagnant

01:16:01.340 economy for upwards of 30 years at this point they're always the example that is brought up by

01:16:06.380 economists wanting to promote endless growth for saying well japan's economy hasn't grown in however

01:16:12.220 so many years but the problem with that is yeah but it's still japan yeah right it's still japan i would

01:16:17.980 say that cultural and national cohesion is more important than adding a few percentage points onto a

01:16:25.260 spreadsheet we said that about gdp it's about our lifestyles rather than what the the economists

01:16:29.820 think we are we're declining because of mass immigration people are beginning to recognize

01:16:34.860 you you can't get broke through the numbers and japan also does have the problem where you get not

01:16:40.940 well it has the birth rate problem of people not pairing up i believe samson can correct me on this

01:16:46.940 because he'll know but there's a big problem of essentially insultant like legitimate insultant in japan

01:16:53.740 where you i don't know the term for it but there's a term for people who just lock themselves away

01:16:58.860 from society and are known for not going out they order food constantly so they don't meet other

01:17:04.940 people and the problem that we've experienced in the west as well is there are studies proving this

01:17:09.820 the increased diversity from mass immigration and the numbers that we experience reduces birth rates

01:17:15.340 so if japan's already experiencing that problem and suddenly begins to experience in slowly in dribs and

01:17:21.980 drabs but then in more and more mass migration they might experience the same effects and their

01:17:26.620 birth rate problem might get even worse which will again be used to justify even more people coming in

01:17:34.460 hikamori thank you samson thank you uh well also you know and also as well as the issue of uh

01:17:40.620 hikamori men you've got there's one particular thing uh i saw in a documentary one time it was

01:17:45.660 absolutely mad to witness which was that um because obviously now there's this constant push for to

01:17:51.420 have women japanese women going into the workplace because that's not having families not having

01:17:57.020 families you get japanese women you know between their their busy lives and their jobs just paying for

01:18:02.460 the experience of a date right so rather than finding a man settling down having children they'll just

01:18:09.260 like ah i've only got one evening free i'll just go and wait so in japan women pay you to go on a date

01:18:15.260 with them i think i think bye bye harry where are we going well it's going to be thrilled i i think we

01:18:21.180 need a show for a month in japan so that we go out there regularly and we know we can fund it by just

01:18:27.340 having regular dates although i'm not sure my japanese friend's house is about to turn into a big hotel

01:18:32.460 for the low seat gave thumbs up yeah um but what one other issue i'd just like to return to with the

01:18:39.500 kurds as well is that you have different so these kurds are there um you know as as refugees as asylum

01:18:46.700 seekers but you have this problem where they're they're there whilst their asylum applications are

01:18:53.420 being processed right and so you've got different different types of category for them you're right so

01:18:59.260 you've got the designated activities which is where an asylum seeker is actually permitted to work

01:19:05.820 in japan whilst they're uh having their applications seen through and then you've got provisional release

01:19:13.740 which is where no you're actually you've been declined but then those people who are declined

01:19:19.020 are not being detained so they get so they just stick around without jobs without and they just cause

01:19:26.300 you know same thing that we've got here in the community and so then you get articles like this

01:19:31.420 it's like why is uh kawaguchi's kurdish community under fire uh it's like because surely can't be

01:19:37.420 anything to do with their behavior no no definitely not and then it's uh going back to actually what

01:19:43.500 we were saying earlier about the japanese state and whether or not they're tolerating this so this is

01:19:49.820 the uh yes the nhk which is for all intents and purposes basically the japanese bbc

01:19:57.500 it's state funded it has a license fee and it has a charter because it comes from that time in japanese

01:20:04.540 history uh the nhk comes from the 1920s when japan was copying a lot of things on the model of different

01:20:12.540 european countries and so they looked at the bbc and its creation for us in the 1920s and went oh

01:20:19.340 we'll emulate that yeah right so this is japanese taxpayers are paying for this and you get things

01:20:24.620 here like children of kurdish asylum seekers who grew up in japan but cannot work right so sympathy

01:20:30.620 articles saying actually mr japanese man don't you shouldn't you feel sorry for these people shouldn't

01:20:37.180 they feel more of your sympathy shouldn't you just feel decide to feel safe right and obviously this

01:20:45.340 comes down to the fact that you have lots of we go again right so but this all comes down to outside

01:20:52.860 pressure right so you can see here oh yeah passed in order to comply with the un yes the united nations

01:20:59.740 international convention on the elimination of all forms of racial discrimination the destroy your

01:21:06.380 nation uh convention yes now as it says here it does not ban hate speech and sets no penalty for

01:21:12.940 committing it so japanese people can still call me a gaijin but wait so they just they just but did they

01:21:19.980 just pass a piece of paper that said hate speech law on it and then nothing else says it says you

01:21:25.420 shouldn't do this yeah yeah yeah i'm not sure i mean when you look look at that i mean this is the basis

01:21:30.380 of the way that we did it in in 1995 all this is is the first inroad so it's like this stabilizing

01:21:37.660 piece of legislation of which all other legislation that will lead to restrictions of freedom of speech

01:21:43.100 will be built oh of course and even it's the same in japan as well the japan innovation party a

01:21:49.660 conservative and center-right populist party argues the bill should be expanded to include insults

01:21:57.980 whereas the lib dem party is against it and says oh we shouldn't criminalize hate speech actually

01:22:04.460 it'll lead to loss of freedom which it will whereas whereas whereas yeah the commie party is saying yes

01:22:11.420 absolutely so why is it that in japan like everywhere else the conservatives want to ally with the

01:22:18.620 communists to expand hate speech laws god no it's just frustrating isn't it yeah so you've got the

01:22:26.380 between uh you know the study of the nhk which obviously takes money from numerous international

01:22:33.500 ngos there was other articles i saw on it pushing diversity and inclusivity yeah and all these sorts

01:22:39.580 of things so the japanese it's neutral but you are being dictated to about what you should or should

01:22:45.660 not believe what values what are japanese values because i i believe that aren't they the same as british

01:22:51.660 values i think and somali values and pakistani values well clearly that whatever values are being handed

01:22:58.700 down to them by the un un values i'd have said that japanese values included things like uh conscientiousness

01:23:07.580 deep feeling of respect honor honor a lot of honor a lot of honor um and and a certain level as well of um

01:23:17.660 uh of i i don't know bravery those are the sorts of things that i would expect and just generally the

01:23:24.460 other ways that the japanese people behave but i guess no i guess it's the same globo homo sort of

01:23:32.540 views that everyone else is supposed to have uh but you know it's not just the kurds it's not just the

01:23:39.020 the kurds and this is the real warning which is that uh the ambassador of japan to pakistan uh

01:23:46.060 highlighted pakistan's strong goodwill towards japan and emphasized the vast potential for further

01:23:51.900 collaboration don't do it don't fall for it japan don't do it you've just done an entire segment on

01:23:57.980 why that will end badly for you yeah yeah again another reason why we got to get out there and talk

01:24:02.620 to the liberal uh party out there and say we'll we'll help at a conference yeah let us show you what will

01:24:07.740 happen we will uh and so you get here another one where it says uh that uh pakistani professionals

01:24:15.340 are going to become integral to japan's workforce i have a quote here from ambassador uh akamatsu

01:24:23.020 uh you know the ambassador to pakistan and he said the success of pakistani talent in japan

01:24:29.020 is becoming one of the important pillars of bilateral relations pakistani talent has a good reputation

01:24:36.380 really not the word i would use not good and interesting japan is growing so the demand

01:24:44.140 for pakistani talent in japan will undoubtedly increase in the future for pakistan remittances

01:24:51.100 from pakistani talent working in japan will be one of the pillars supporting the pakistani economy

01:24:57.420 and we can expect the development of industry within pakistan as they bring back the skills they

01:25:02.780 have acquired in japan i mean this is just nightmare so so so taking these these foreigners so that they

01:25:12.780 can take advantage of your jobs and skills programs so that they can take them back home which if they

01:25:19.820 would have done they have already done that because they've had a long time in britain to do exactly

01:25:23.420 that but this doesn't happen doesn't does it you know because for all that we bash britain you know for

01:25:29.260 what it's suffering through right now a pakistani person gets here and thinks themselves well it's

01:25:33.980 better than pakistan right that's what they think and also the law seems to kind of protect me here

01:25:39.580 as well and so then there's no incentive to actually leave once i don't see any evidence

01:25:45.580 of any country whether it's whether it's belgium or holland or germany where you get these foreign

01:25:51.340 countries whether it's algerian or pakistan that you go back and see these really glowing countries

01:25:58.860 through all the skills they've learned in this country or belgium or germany wherever and they've

01:26:03.420 taken them back and they've really improved the gdp of their countries right just doesn't happen no it

01:26:07.980 doesn't and so what you have is oh sorry go on no no it's evidence i was just going to say that um

01:26:13.820 and once you're there of course it's like oh well i i have a brother who works in tokyo and he says it's

01:26:20.300 great so then the whole family's going to join and you know this is how it always begins it's how it

01:26:25.180 began in the west and it's how it's what's going to happen to japan and to come back to your point

01:26:29.820 harry about um you know the the birth rates and all that sort of stuff it's look europe as population

01:26:37.260 was decimated which i know is not the technical term but was annihilated uh by a third during the black

01:26:44.460 death right but europe sprang back from that right the greeks never reclaimed constantinople

01:26:51.180 right after the turks took it over it's not demographic collapse it's demographic change

01:26:56.700 that is the ultimate obstacle to peace prosperity and it will come for you japan and these people

01:27:03.540 will not assimilate it's you know uh drink when i was in japan it was that thing that you know all of

01:27:10.380 a sudden i was in a place that was truly foreign right where no one spoke english their culture is

01:27:15.760 entirely like my own and you want and you really understand you like why you would feel as a foreigner

01:27:20.900 that that need to like just move towards people who who are similar to you right to that comfort of

01:27:29.340 home it gives you that ease or you could there i say right integrate right or right but that's

01:27:35.220 maybe maybe learn some of the language next time luca have any idea how hard that you can do

01:27:42.740 i learned five sentences okay five in two months i mean i'm telling you not even one a week i will

01:27:52.740 just say as well it's got to be easier than chinese right because chinese is all about the intonation

01:27:57.460 of the way that you're saying the words whereas is it the same in japan uh no but there are a lot of

01:28:03.460 words that sound very similar that have very very different meanings oh okay um but kind of like

01:28:09.660 english yeah i will just say that uh one of the things i got told a lot by the japanese there was

01:28:14.540 they liked me uh far more for being british than they would have done if i was american uh

01:28:20.520 they said they don't like americans and it's not even due to the atom bombs they just think they're

01:28:25.680 rude tourists i can imagine that yes well after that's something i've commented on as well actually

01:28:31.740 since the whole uh logan paul thing back in the day when he went to the suicide forest

01:28:36.460 um yeah he seemed to have encouraged a spate of retard streamers going to japan to cause trouble

01:28:46.780 and annoy the locals and i would imagine that most of those are americans yes so oh yes and then that's

01:28:53.060 just what i i covered about the uh pac statement on pakistan so uh to round it off uh japan don't do it

01:29:01.200 it's not worth it it won't lead to prosperity and it won't give you the birth rates that you're

01:29:06.600 wanting from those particular aspects of your society that you want to keep hold of and so if

01:29:12.520 i have one word of advice it's listen to your anime girls there you go right we'll go through uh the

01:29:20.220 rumble rants and then do we have any video comments

01:29:22.960 thank you i'll go through the rumble rants starting from my segment darth amalgamation says

01:29:30.520 the pause on immigration enforcement for agriculture and hospitality has been rescinded

01:29:35.020 also lord inquisitor hector rex on the website commented the same saying the dhs has already

01:29:41.120 reserved reversed course on that that's good to hear and i hope they stick with that because

01:29:45.840 that was a terrible terrible uh decision if you ask me a cruel i'm not a pacifist deterrence does not

01:29:52.040 work unless your adversary thinks that you are serious that said i'm very skeptical of the people

01:29:55.980 pushing us towards war obviously you need to be able to have something to back up your words i'm not

01:30:01.840 saying that you can't do that uh the fact is that this seemed to be more than just fighting words it

01:30:08.200 seems to be being pushed by and escalated by people with vested interests in regime change in iran

01:30:15.480 as i pointed out the evidence seems to suggest that this has been a direct policy continuation

01:30:20.200 between administrations for 20 years logan pine here in socal the ice raids have started again

01:30:27.400 fantastic fleet lord avatar not arresting illegals on farms and hotels reversed woke up found top

01:30:33.340 pollster rich barris contacted by vp vance he did the stream at locals.com uh maga doa if dta g dtj

01:30:42.860 attacks okay and there's a link there as well engaged few and what is the common thread between the

01:30:48.620 presidents who got us into the u.s world wars uh both were progressives with decidedly pro-fascist

01:30:55.540 tendencies uh sigil stone with all the whinging about not allowing iran to have nuclear weapons

01:31:01.520 because then islam will destroy israel pakistan has the opportunity to do the funniest thing yeah

01:31:06.580 the thing is actually yeah pakistan pakistan has nukes and um from my outside observations

01:31:14.420 they appear to be a less stable state than iran is so the idea that iran is a point yeah the very

01:31:21.880 good point the idea that iran is so insane that they'll get nukes and then immediately start nuking

01:31:26.960 the territories around them despite the fact that they know that america would immediately just glass

01:31:32.100 them off the face of the earth yeah is is ridiculous it seems the regime is shaky it's uncertain of

01:31:40.260 itself at the moment all of its most closest allies have been taken out recently it seems if they were

01:31:45.860 to develop that it would just be for the sake of their own form of deterrence frankly not that i

01:31:52.020 think that we should be proliferating nukes or anything god no the engaged few trump listens to

01:31:56.740 his base he needs to understand that this is a deal breaker for anti-war maga will walk away from him

01:32:01.060 at midterms if he does this why i hope he gets that message uh before it's too late cranky texan trump

01:32:07.520 needs to listen to tucker carlson and steve bannon they understand his base yeah i didn't include

01:32:11.540 that clip but i did see the clip of the two of them talking and um they were both pretty clear on

01:32:17.260 their thoughts uh hapsification we should also consider the 2011 census the total male pakistani

01:32:23.780 population was 575 741 the estimated population 600 16 and over is around 400 000 and that's in relation

01:32:33.380 to yeah your segment yeah ryan hinnigan sends through two super chats saying in 2012 conversation

01:32:41.140 between iran and america uh this keeps shifting around can we stop doing that please uh between

01:32:46.980 iran and america lefty and dave smith the iranian uh said persian nationalists cheered when trump

01:32:54.740 assassinated soleimani loved him but turned when trump threatened cultural sites groundwork for the

01:32:59.520 regime was laid uh regime change was laid back then not justifying war but it may have popular

01:33:04.980 support in iran and trump himself could get it to stick no foreign entanglements just devil devil's

01:33:09.660 advocates and yeah i i absolutely believe that that is the case as well uh but frankly whenever it

01:33:15.020 engages with its um foreign neighbors israel seems to be very haphazard in how it assaults um their

01:33:24.340 territories they do seem to not care all that much about civilian casualties and the more israel causes

01:33:30.640 civilian casualties the more the population of iran will rally to the state if they believe they're

01:33:35.960 the only people to protect it whereas you are right if they were much more targeted and kept it just to

01:33:41.660 the people that the iranians already distrust in their own government that probably could get a lot of

01:33:46.740 regimes a lot of popular support especially given the u.s would be at the same time funding

01:33:53.420 uh velvet revolution style uprisings the same way that they did in places like libya that's a random

01:33:59.920 name says remember every single person who participated in this referring to the grooming

01:34:04.000 gang scandals every cop government worker and that cock-bint wench is going on the list of people

01:34:10.120 to uh and then there's some fed posting cranky texan they didn't include religion in the reports

01:34:17.360 because they hate religion but only when it's christianity otherwise it's precious and must be

01:34:21.600 protected sigil stone despite being just 13 of ronin curds make up 50 of dishonors amazing

01:34:28.440 comment that's pretty great you engaged few how do you say bite the pillow in japanese

01:34:33.720 and head and his behavior says it's pronounced hikikomori hikikomori yes thank you very much

01:34:41.520 thank you uh that's a random name don't worry gents i volunteer as tribute to single-handedly

01:34:46.040 rebalance japanese birth rates in fact i'll also sacrifice myself to help korea a true martyr you'll

01:34:52.300 have great success in korea given they try and westernize their appearances anyway that's a random

01:34:56.800 martyr yes yeah ryan hannigan again says female black american air force friend of mine studied

01:35:02.960 abroad in japan always received positively japanese said french tourists a lot of problems

01:35:08.320 and japanese couldn't tell the difference so maybe they were just being polite maybe they say that

01:35:13.260 to everybody yeah and then when american oh i can't stand those brits yeah as soon as i got off

01:35:17.660 the plane at the airport as well i thought oh thank god japan so far away from europe first thing i

01:35:22.340 heard was like five french guys i was like no and uh finally and hedonism says by the way gaijin

01:35:29.320 is pronounced gaijin more accurately than gaijin but it is pitch based not tonal language so it's the

01:35:36.640 best approximation i can give you gaijin gaijin okay well thank you very much well the fact that i

01:35:43.380 can't pronounce it right makes me even more of one let's watch through these video comments

01:35:49.400 i i think this is an insane meme oh dan maybe a reference from nearer your time will make you

01:35:55.660 understand douglas adams comedy series the hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy proved that

01:35:59.960 nothing can ever happen because the population of the universe is in fact zero five population none

01:36:07.260 it is known that there are an infinite number of worlds but that not everyone is inhabited

01:36:13.780 therefore there must be a finite number of inhabited worlds any finite number divided by infinity

01:36:20.700 is as near to nothing as makes no odds

01:36:22.860 that makes sense i remember reading the first one and it is quite a charming little book so i need to

01:36:29.400 read the rest of them oh no they're good i read them one of the fun love them love them god it's

01:36:34.720 ages since i think about that oh this is beautiful good morning lotus eaters to try to go a little

01:36:41.260 bit further up the sunrise mine trail than last weekend i decided to stay the night on the mountain

01:36:46.720 in the south seattle special ratty blue tarp over my hammock strung between the trees

01:36:52.420 and tackled the trail early in the morning i got to see my first pika of the season

01:36:57.600 sometimes pronounced pika these little guys are one of my favorite alpine animals

01:37:02.460 needless to say this was a tough climb i'll tell you guys more about the trail tomorrow

01:37:07.120 i'm going there one day good man thanks very much for sharing that with us that's some proper

01:37:12.640 rugged adventurer exploration right there i like it yeah and that was a very cute little animal

01:37:18.740 and now a woman who claims to be from over 70 years in the future

01:37:23.880 subscribe to my only fans

01:37:27.560 oh dear oh dear what prompts did you have to put into ai to generate that for you i was gonna say

01:37:39.480 that's a brilliant one brilliant have we got any more samson yeah oh yep why buy a chinese made

01:37:47.120 electrically powered water filter distiller from amazon when you could have made in britain

01:37:54.680 gravity fed so no electricity will take the fluoride out uses the filters for six months

01:38:03.120 it this is perfect no electricity it will filter rain water it's the best thing ever best thing i

01:38:12.040 ever bought buy it now i hope you got a fair commission for that the hell of a picture yeah

01:38:19.600 it does sound good it does sound good i won't lie right and uh let's go for a few extra minutes as

01:38:24.660 well for the written comments on the website we'll go till quarter two uh tristan scribner says harry

01:38:31.480 this is callum level tomfoolery i thought you were better than this no in callum's absence i've

01:38:37.240 slowly had to become him and the same will happen now that josh is gone i am like absorbing their

01:38:42.840 essence derrick power master of chippies also says thank you harry for the two minutes hate in the

01:38:48.660 beginning i hope you got it all out of your system sophie lives says uh wait um no we've already

01:38:54.760 addressed that justin b with the similarities between this and her xwmds there is another thing to

01:38:59.680 consider the messenger a lot like last time a lot of people do trust the messenger and the majority

01:39:04.640 of the critics are people who would be against them anyway it later became clear there were no

01:39:09.620 wmds and blair's reputation took a hit even with people who supported him if it comes out that there

01:39:14.560 are no nukes then trump's reputation will plummet too and that's the problem as well blair had a

01:39:19.820 domestic policy which wasn't wasn't great uh but still he had a domestic policy bush had a domestic

01:39:26.920 policy what do most people remember both of them for the foreign policy entanglements so if trump

01:39:32.740 wants to cement his legacy in the future as a president who did put america first and um and uh

01:39:39.200 and left a good legacy for people uh then get not getting involved in foreign policy entanglements

01:39:45.020 is the right thing to do which is something that he seemed to understand at least during his

01:39:48.720 first term although he was quite belligerent as well during that first term

01:39:52.960 juana joe please stop saying iraq didn't have wmds it did wmds are nbc nuclear biological and

01:39:58.680 chemical iraq had biological and chemical weapons they previously used them in other conflicts if

01:40:03.500 they had nuclear or the start of nuclear we may never know the un inspection teams would let the

01:40:08.360 iraq authorities know which sites were to be inspected so they could gain access inspection

01:40:11.940 teams go in as trucks go out maybe new materials probably not the truth is we the public are never told

01:40:18.040 the truth well if they did ever find it was my understanding thank you for sending in the comment

01:40:23.200 that's interesting it was my understanding that wmds was basically being used as a euphemism for

01:40:28.260 nuclear warheads yes and that was what was being done and the evidence that was presented after the

01:40:33.180 initial conflict was new york times journalists and other people going to sites where they'd presumably

01:40:39.880 found these nuclear warheads and pointing at them in very very blurry images that didn't show

01:40:46.260 anything clearly i think there's enough books out there that i've read in the past that showed

01:40:49.960 it really was old fantasy if if they did have i appreciate his comment but yeah if they did have

01:40:55.200 nuclear i do think that they when the conflict started and we gained access to their sites and we

01:41:00.940 enacted regime change they would have provided concrete proof of it the fact that they haven't

01:41:05.440 seems pretty cut and dry to me uh would you like to read through your comments steve i i'm

01:41:09.760 fortunate the light comes here so you're gonna have to read a couple okay that's all right dirty belter

01:41:14.460 says my worry with the rape gangs is that the government will sort it in the same way they

01:41:18.900 have sorted brexit yeah that is to say they will sort it on paper in some technical manner but the

01:41:24.160 real material problem will continue this will then be used to guard against a real solution

01:41:28.540 why do you care about brexit we already left the eu turns into why do you care about the grooming

01:41:33.180 gangs we already made them illegal be ready for this i do i do i'm concerned about this

01:41:37.940 that is definitely a very fair concern russian garbage human so one in 16 pakistanis in britain

01:41:44.400 are pedos i'm curious how riku and the home office will run containment on this maybe send

01:41:50.000 1 000 imams to the rape crisis centers that's not that's not a nice thought also a russian garbage

01:41:56.940 human i'm glad steven brought up islam my theory is that the pakistanis are the sacrificial lamb on

01:42:01.080 the altar so that the establishment doesn't have to touch the glowing root cause of this being islam

01:42:05.940 interesting point that is an interesting point um just to add to that i have heard some people

01:42:12.100 suggest that the reason that they are putting a lot of emphasis on this all of a sudden while at the

01:42:18.100 same time we're having belligerent action taken towards the middle eastern countries again is

01:42:23.000 basically to try and generate some support for foreign excursions although that is a bit conspiratorial

01:42:28.420 but it's not beyond the kind of level of media coordination that we've seen in the past

01:42:33.840 as well and kfc bucket says how can we share a nation with the people who are willing to cover

01:42:38.680 up the rape of children great question good point uh okay so uh anon imi says mass immigration will

01:42:46.100 be far worse for japan japan only has relatively small percentage of habitable land it's why they

01:42:51.940 concentrate into cities in fact the cities spill into each other yes yes uh now add mass immigration

01:42:58.860 very very true i've seen maps of tokyo and it's impossible to believe how bloody huge that city

01:43:04.820 is it's enormous it's just it's like it's the closest to coruscant you could possibly get you

01:43:11.240 just there's no end in sight to it uh only time uh sorry canis uh familiaris says only time i've been

01:43:18.980 to japan once and the girl i was with dropped her phone we went to the local police office tiny shack

01:43:25.000 with two officers and someone had picked it up and handed it within about five minutes of her

01:43:29.160 dropping it yeah that's brilliant that's fabulous uh incorrigible frog apparently it's common in japan

01:43:35.520 for people to carry around a little plastic bag for all of their rubbish throughout the day uh there

01:43:40.760 aren't any bins in the street etc uh they just take it home yeah interesting yeah uh furious dan

01:43:46.880 it's time for the weebs to put their money where their mouths are and move to japan fill up the

01:43:51.600 immigration slots with people who actually respect the culture and solve the birth rate crisis i know

01:43:57.120 i'm going to get a lot of flack for this but liking anime doesn't constitute loving japanese culture

01:44:02.840 there's a bit more to it than that also what you what you're saying is really is to fundamentally change

01:44:08.660 the genetic and ancestral makeup of the japanese people as well oh yeah and that which is you know

01:44:14.700 i think that the japanese have the right to just remain japanese even if it just means that there's

01:44:18.740 less of them overall um and uh michael um uh dribeldis uh well done luca you've learned the most

01:44:26.380 important japanese for any phrase i don't understand japanese that was yeah that's what it meant yeah

01:44:32.140 luckily since we're both gaijin uh the japanese don't expect us to speak the language well not at all

01:44:39.920 okay all right then well that's everything we've got today folks we've run over a little bit but i'm

01:44:45.260 sure you don't mind since we've got through quite a few of your comments there so uh thank you very

01:44:49.320 much for joining us today and we'll be back tomorrow at the usual time so till then take care thanks

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The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - June 18, 2025

The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1189

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