The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1190
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Summary
The lads discuss the debate between Tucker and Ted and the impact it has had on the culture of the UK, the future of the country and the anniversary of the birth of Waterloo. Also, there's a bit of a quiz from the lads about which of them has the more authentic vision of America first.
Transcript
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hello and welcome to the podcast of the lotus eaters for thursday the 19th of june 2025 i'm
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your host luca joined today by dan and stephen afternoon and today we're going to be talking
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all about uh ted versus tucker indeed and which one has the uh more authentic vision of america
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first yes we're all somewhere else first we're also going to be talking about uh uh updates on
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the immigration issue and the boats and yeah and a few few other things like that and what's coming
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to us in the future how many more engineers and doctors are going to arrive never enough i'm sure
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and then at the end i'm going to be covering the anniversary of waterloo and why our history why
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we're sadly being told uh to forget how great we once were so with that all said dan over to you
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yes so um i wanted to cover the uh ted versus tucker uh debate uh i suppose we've got to ask
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the question which of them came out of this the best uh which of them has the more authentic vision
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for america first um this is the clip that sort of has attracted most of the attention and now some
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people are saying it's a bit of a gotcha actually i think this is key this question i agree um it's
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very important uh why don't we play this samson and um and then we talk about it
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i don't know if you can i can't hear it there's no volume on that uh maybe that's the key
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this is uh the clip obviously about the population of a round
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tell you what samson do any chance we can get sound on this um i don't know if the viewers are
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getting it okay we are troubled talk amongst yourselves um i might restart the segment because
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otherwise it might make me look a bit silly on youtube so yes yes all right we're early do the
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magic we're having the we're having we're having the technical issues early were they singing the
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hills are alive with the sound of music is this uh well it's it's one of those things into it that
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um there's a reason that this particular clip got put out first yes yes yes it is it is kind of
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key okay no well uh we'll retake from the beginning i think i think i think i think we're
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we're retake sorry about this ladies and gentlemen chat has clearly got my back um
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we're all behind you actually i just never take my head out of ted cruz when we were younger i debated
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against him and um you know in the world debating championships in glasgow oh you debated ted cruz did
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yeah yeah no we beat him we beat him my partner beat him and his partner who took me went on to
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become a major hedge fund guy and former like either basketball player or baseball he was brilliant
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literally everything and then but not not ted and 10 used to like just recite the constitution i mean
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i think i may have mentioned that in another podcast yeah he'd recite the constitution as as a
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chat up line for girls yeah does that work i didn't didn't seem to work for people i saw around
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but you you never know i i didn't identify as a girl then in those days with uh they were they were
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proper days when men were men and girls were girls and yeah you just went for girls how's how's how's
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us uh the button people look worried so um so i don't i don't know i don't know what's happening
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there um i'm i'm wondering if i'm getting the right one we're three minutes in so i think i've i'll give
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it till five minutes hopefully you might be wrong uh yeah yeah i mean i think i think i want sound so
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uh if you need to restart something we start something does that mean we're going to lose
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the audience um no right we're sitting here remember we got live mic so we can't do what
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we normally do when the mics go off and just you know i think the audience might really think i think
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what's that sound out there yeah yeah a special branch turning up he's like oh those are very
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brexity comments you're making yeah yeah there's twice uh a pack have been interfering with our
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with our mics in technical difficulties maybe they're just not sure what is that it's elgato is that
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some sort of like a technical thing at the back is that what we use ice cream
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isn't elgato the cat you know um with that cartoon character that with the little cat that has the
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sword right elgato oh is it my but my daughter and i used to watch it it's like well i've missed
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that anyway you missed you've missed it if you know i've got the kids on we're looking elgato and
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he was like some fantastic sword fighting animals yeah yes fighting everybody and it's like he was
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brilliant very mountain anyway we we ought to uh people i'd probably think who the hell are these
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three what are they talking about we we ought to release this and just see if it does better than
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wow we got it we got it at all wow we got sound we got sound good right good and we we've hit my
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five minute mark i'm gonna i'm gonna restart we can i get some thumbs up from the right excellent
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okay okay good not the whole thing don't do the introduction i'll just hang on click on the
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we do apologize all right um oh how did i start it again it was it was uh okay um let's talk about
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the uh ted cruz and uh tucker carlson debate so uh what we got to get to in the bottom of this one
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is which of them has the uh more authentic vision for america first and uh which of them won the
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debate now there was um um a number of um bits that we could focus on i want to focus on about
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two or three given given the time constraints and there was this bit which was about you know do you
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actually know anything about the country you want to invade um which some people have dismissed as
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being a bit of a gotcha type question but i actually do think that this is this is key um can we
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watch this and then we talk about it how many people living around by the way i don't know the
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population at all no i don't know the population you don't know the population of the country you
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seek to topple how many people living around 92 million okay yeah how could you not know that
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i i don't sit around memorizing population tables well it's all right um the reason i think this is key
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is because you know ted has sort of laid out his position here it's it's all about regime change
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and that is clearly what is going on here when we talk about the nuke stuff in a minute but it's
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clearly about regime change it has been for 45 years the mission has been regime change now the
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right the reason this is important is and i'm going to quote here from the u.s army marine corps uh
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counterinsurgency field manual uh section fm 324 which yes which recommend like 336 no that was a
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that was a rubbish bit all about latrines uh but no uh the uh 324 says that uh you want 20 troops
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per thousand civilians uh to run an effective control and stabilization effort um now let's let
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me give you some sort of historical examples so so germany the u.s did quite well in there
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yeah um population 65 million they deployed 1.6 million troops that was a ratio of 25 troops per
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thousand population big success yeah right that worked japan um 72 million they deployed 350 000
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troops that was a ratio of five to a thousand which is low but they did drop nukes yeah so so you got
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you got a swing factor in there as well yeah uh south korea a ratio of 10 um south korea half a win
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maybe i mean the country's still divided in half well also there was a you know it was an allied
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effort with the korean war as well so i imagine there were other troops there as well from other
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nations yes keep the peace yes it was there was a bit of that okay uh vietnam 13.4 so that was
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actually a fairly high ratio uh but of course difficult terrain a loss um bosnia 15 that one
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pretty much worked yeah it was stabilized um iraq even at the surge the height of the surge was only
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6.7 right loss yeah um and to give you an example of a total loss afghanistan 3.1 um the taliban won
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the war yeah i mean yes the u.s did what the u.s is very good at doing which is winning the initial
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stages uh but but they lost the war yeah so bombing everything destroying it and making sure there's
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very few people left in the buildings and then we rebuild because we got making the contracts out of
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it yeah which are now worthless to them because they didn't win and the taliban control the country
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take away the gold and lots of people as we know in the deep state make shed loads of money out well
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well they do well that's kind of the point isn't it the forever war is about the ongoing process not
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about actually winning so if you want to take iran you're looking at 1.8 million soldiers
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to do it properly um the u.s can likely deploy at peak 500 000 okay now that is taking into account
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the active military and calling up the reserves and calling up the national guard and this is after
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the uptake that we saw in military recruitment after trump took office yes yes yes there is that
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so i mean they've actually got a decent number of troops got 1.3 million active service personnel but
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you need a ratio of about three to one deployed uh because you've got for everyone actively out
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there uh you need two in either training or rotation you can't just keep them out there all the time
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i think we'd seen that about the british armed force recently where they talked about how we've got so
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little if we want to go war because we need to have three yes exactly talking about ukraine
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yeah and and that is ignoring the domestic needs and as la has demonstrated recently you actually do
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need the national guard at home doing the job there it ignores other priorities because you know
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wasn't russia supposed to be the biggest threat to the world um likewise isn't taiwan about to be
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invaded by china and taiwan is different in that the u.s actually has genuine core strategic and
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economic interests in taiwan so it would be a really big commitment so you're looking at 500 000
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troops if you do and that is that is pushing it that gives you a ratio of 5.5 which is below the
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iraq level and getting towards the afghanistan level that was a plain loss so actually no um the
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population of iran is an absolutely core factor to this yeah it was ridiculous uh seeing on twitter
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loads of people mocking tucker uh for this question in the same way like he was asking oh what's it
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what's iran's national dish like like it was something really as if it's a real one actually
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no the size the size of the population you're planning to implement regime change over
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might be quite important it is kind of key that the sun tzu quote is not know nothing about your enemy
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now um it's got an interesting element you just i mean i'm just thinking strategically if you were china
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and you'd taken these figures together and recognized what the americans are putting their own
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material there that you need a certain number of people to take over iran in a way you'd be kind
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of thinking go for it go on get get get into iran get into iran and as you're bogged down like taiwan
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here we go exactly wash we're in now um ted has obviously picked up on this and he's noticed this so
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so he he has responded i'm going to play um a little bit of uh this
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not in favor of putting troops on the ground donald trump's not in favor of putting troops
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around absolutely no no no no troops on the ground so what we're advocating for is simply this
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if america gets involved it would be to do exactly what you just said it would be to do what israel
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can't do to take out a nuclear drop a couple of bombs threat drop a drop a couple of bombs so so the
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the objective is um we're gonna we're gonna do regime change we're gonna we're gonna drop a
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couple of bombs now um you can't just do this from the air you can't just you know even if you take
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out enough of the leadership and all the rest of it you can't you can't just do it from the air
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because i think the mistake that americans often make is because they are so wedded to their system
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their democracy they kind of assume that if you take out a bad regime a democracy will just spring
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out of the sand well that's what they thought in afghanistan and everywhere else and to be fair
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we told them they could do it i mean our security services our intelligence services people who like
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later on became mps for northern constituencies and now have podcasts with alistair campbell told
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him that's what he could do yes it's not going to work now they i have also heard this plan about
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we're going to install the crown prince right that is a weak plan because remember the last shah of
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iran he lost despite actually having an army now you're going to send his son in without an army
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when the other side already does have an army so obviously this is not going to work unless you
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provide him with an army who's going to do that well it's not going to be the israelis is it so it is
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going to be the us again um so if you if you sort of regime change you through through bombs and
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destabilization you're not going to get an organic democracy you're going to get a regime which is even
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more hard line than the one that is replaced because that is always happened the only organized
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faction in iran is the revolutionary guard and they're embedded throughout the throughout the
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system i mean up and down so there's plenty of there's plenty of depth to that organization
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and we've literally just had the syrian example of where we're going to do this where we're going
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to destabilize the regime from a distance and what happens is isis took over and they immediately
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started killing christians now there is a christian population in iran it's small but
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they get to be alive and and it's it's almost like the the point of western foreign policy is to get
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as many christians killed as possible because that's all we end up achieving every time we do
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an adventure in the middle east um so yeah i'm not fundamentally against regime change in iran
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what i'm fundamentally against is trying to do it with a shit plan
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yeah because every time you try it with a shit plan what you get is lots of spending
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so i understand why the defense contractors like it i love it you get lots of debt you get lots of
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dead young americans and in exchange apart from the defense spending you get lots of dead dead
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well you get nothing you get nothing you just get a more destabilized region you don't you don't
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get anything for it um and it kind of relates to my and then europe gets hundreds of thousands more
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refugees well yes that as well and we're going to i mean i didn't mention that because i suppose
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that's not necessarily yeah and we're going to we're going to come to that yeah as well i i didn't
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necessarily mention that because um you know i i'm kind of making the argument in the case of
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american interest but i mean that is certainly true i'll talk about that briefly when we come
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um yesterday i did an open letter to america on the daily channel which you should all go and watch
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um well i made the case of look america if you really feel the itch to do a bit of regime change
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because it's been a while since you've done one and i know you like they're out of the system again
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do it to britain yeah we already have nukes uh we have the sand people we have oil um we have
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communists um we've taken out um you know american landmarks we burnt down the white house the the
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the capital the um you know the the library of congress i mean we have everything that you're
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looking for if you want to do a regime change i'm being slightly tongue-in-cheek there because
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the problem is is who is the most organized in the uk who has the networks um and the weapons
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it's not i'll give you a clue the british right wing because if the british right wing ever tries
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to even starts to organize they immediately get arrested so the only people in this country who
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have an organized network and weapons well it's we know who that is it's the other side and we know
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that's the case because during the southport riots we could see the police going up to them and
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saying please leave your weapons in the mosque so we know we know who and this is who wins a
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revolution it's not the majority it's the most organized minority who are organized and have
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weapons so we know that's going to be so we know that america is really good at winning the opening
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stages of a war but it's really bad at winning what comes after and this is kind of because america
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are very bad imperial administrators and it's because i think because they refuse to acknowledge
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that they are an empire despite the fact that they obviously are an empire so yes there is that um
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i'm asking about your allegation and the prime minister of israel's allegation that
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is that iraq is trying to murder the president killing terrorists is a good thing killing people
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who are trying to murder americans is a good thing because if you're america first you want to protect
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america and so taking out killing osama bin laden was a fantastic but you don't really believe that
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they're trying to murder trump or yes i do yes i do then why aren't you calling for military action
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against tehran right now because they're not very effective in terms of hitmen their hitmen are not
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very effective i do think so they're hitmen but not the bad kind the efficient kind what are you
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saying they're a weak country who is on its knees and i think we need to then why are we so afraid of
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them why are they the biggest threat if they're a weak country that's on its knees because they're
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trying i'm trying to keep track they're trying to develop
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be a little less snarky i know you're right that is a problem that i have i'm sorry
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i missed that i didn't i didn't see that clear so i mean first of all um i i would say that
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is it really the case the iranians can't find a hitman who is better than thomas crooks
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i mean all you need to do anyone yes i mean surely the iranians have somebody who's better than thomas
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crooks i mean all you need to do is find a sloped roof um because you know that secret service will
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avoid it like a plague because of health and safety reasons and you know it's i it's it's not
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but you know the claim is it's a weird exchange yes you know i'm kind of trying to see it from a
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logical kind of philosophical political viewpoint of being within there um well yeah they've got
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assassins who are trying to take us out well you try to assassinate a cuban president you know
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300 odd times and you know you weren't pretty good at that so you were worried about a country
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that is on its knees it's weak hasn't got the capability but by the way it might make a nuclear
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bomb despite what people say so we need to go in and a weak individual and also a massive risk and
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also really crap at producing anyone good at assassinating any any individual that says to me
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we don't need to do anything about them at all other than maybe my mates in the background are saying
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our share price is falling in the you know economic arguments there's a bit more assets out there we've
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got some good people that we might be able to put in in charge who can sell us a few contracts
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a lot better than zelensky could and that being controversial so it makes no sense to me other than
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the one thing that i am obviously most people of our concern is we just don't want them capable of
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being able to wipe israel off the ground i don't want that i just don't want to see it happen
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but is this the right way of doing so and i've got some of these but yeah yeah i don't know
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yeah like i said i'm not fundamentally against razine i'm just i'm just against doing it incredibly
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badly and assuming that you can just bomb them out and then and then they'll be replaced by
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something better they will be replaced by something worse and we know this because that always always
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happens every every time um so yeah i thought i'd play that bit because it is it's odd that they are
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simultaneously weak and pathetic and you don't need to worry about them but at the same time
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we still need to worry a a a significant threat um yeah turning to your point about the the nuclear
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bomb um been going on the problem is is we've been hearing this for a long yeah 30 years you've
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found 30 years i looked at 27 yeah yeah let's let's just listen to a bit of this the deadline for
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attaining this goal is getting extremely quickly extremely close and iran by the way is also outpacing
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iraq in the development of ballistic missile systems that they hope will reach the eastern
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seaboard of the united states within 15 years by next spring at most by next summer at current
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enrichment rates they will have finished the medium enrichment and move on to the final stage
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from there it's only a few months possibly a few weeks
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god 13 years before they get enough enough uranium for the first bomb the foremost sponsor of global
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terrorism could be weeks away from having enough enriched uranium so i won't play all this but you
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get the idea yeah yeah they are two weeks away for the last 30 years yeah um maybe time works
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differently in the middle east i think it probably does probably does i mean i've also got a table
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of of these claims if you want to go back and look at them um i mean this is not the exhaustive
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list these are the ones made in english to um um to american audiences and we heard this claim with
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iraq yeah yeah we did we did and and then afterwards it was like oh whoops yeah maybe not but you know
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whatever hey don't worry yeah 1.5 million people thousands of yeah that was old-fashioned millions of
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iraqis um thousands of young american men um huge amounts of debt you know nine trillion of debt
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yeah um the eye taken off the ball at home while domestic issues got worse and there are genuine
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domestic issues to be focusing on there is a very very strong argument that a lot of the issues that
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we've got in europe in america in britain in particular are a direct responsibility of blair and
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their cabal deciding to go in and bomb the hell out of iraq because we've got the mass immigration that
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has come from that it's led to the ideology within most of the intelligence services that it's okay to
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do the regime change in lebanon syria and there's no consequences to that and the consequences are
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are that we've got girls being raped in england we've got housing costs and this is what i i have a
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massive problem with these people in in power i understand the argument that we've got to defend
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israel and i i do the same and we've got to defend our rights from people who are loonies having
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nuclear bombs i agree with that but every time you've gone down this line you've messed it up
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yeah so if if this is what you genuinely believe you need a much better plan and that's a caliber of
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imperialists and tech crews yes exactly um i'm just going to flag this up i don't really have time to
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get into this but this popped up on my twitter feed just before we came on air so i wanted to
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highlight it um and it is a thread from semi-agog who i've had on brokonomics and um he's basically
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making the um he's providing the explanation as to why iran is pursuing um nuclear energy okay because
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i mean this was something that confused me myself because they're very low energy costs so why do they
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need nuclear power uh and he's got a thread here and explains it the very short version is is the bit
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with the oil is the vulnerable bit down at the bottom there oh um that that that's pretty much
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it so you know um saddam hussein attacked that bit immediately and they kind of know that that's
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their vulnerability and their population and their capital is in the north so so but i mean read the
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thread because but it but it but it explains it all um but yeah we i mean this is the sort of boomer
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bait that is being pushed out and being lapped up you know like this this this todd stans who is a
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i mean he's a news anchor of some sort is here there are some in maggot world who believe the
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mole high ground is radioactive mushroom clouds over tel aviv jerusalem new york and los angeles
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i mean really but to be honest he is honestly if that's what we generally think i mean this is this
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is exactly what the play was last time and it was nonsense last time yeah um hysteria yeah i mean and
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having said that i mean if you're really trying to scare me off this idea why did you pick new york and
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los angeles i mean i'm i won't say more but that will get the police around in any second now yes
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yeah especially not those other names i really i really really can't say too much on this one
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um but no let's focus back on what i think what is is perhaps even more of a core issue is the bit
00:25:02.520
that's going to stick around afterwards uh which is i mean ted cruz has been defending his record on
00:25:07.740
this podcast he's been a bit frantic on this and i won't play this clip i'm just gonna i'm just
00:25:11.680
gonna read out the bit above um oh no hang on um maybe that one oh yeah that one okay so i am
00:25:20.180
gonna i'm gonna i am gonna play a little bit of this one i don't know anything about the country
00:25:24.660
you're the one who claims they're not trying to murder donald trump no i'm not saying that who
00:25:28.820
can't figure out if it was a good idea to kill general soleimani and you said it was bad they're
00:25:33.100
trying to murder trump yes i do because you're not calling for military strikes against them in
00:25:36.920
retaliation and if you really believe that carrying out military strikes today you said
00:25:40.940
israel was right with our help i'm said we israel is leading them but we're supporting them well
00:25:46.480
this you're breaking news here because the u.s government last night denied the national
00:25:50.460
security council spokesman alex pfeiffer denied on behalf of trump that we were acting on israel's
00:25:56.000
behalf in any offensive capacity we're not bombing them israel's bombing them you just said we were
00:26:00.040
we are supporting israel is you're a senator if you're saying the united states government is
00:26:05.380
at war with iran right now people are listening hey we are not bombing them oh okay israel is bombing
00:26:10.560
them hey why do you do the snide oh okay why do you do the snide llk i mean that that is that is
00:26:18.860
kind of cutting to the heart of it he he's using israel and we interchangeably they're indivisible
00:26:23.940
yes yes yes he's a u.s senator the left and right halves of the brain one cannot function without
00:26:29.580
the other yes i think he's caught within a trap isn't he because the the trap is the we is yeah
00:26:36.720
we are supporting them but how the question is how do you support them is it because we're using our
00:26:42.580
satellites above them we're actually enabling with our satellites to be able to direct them to where
00:26:47.240
they're going to be bombed which actually got our individuals sitting alongside them you know that's
00:26:52.900
the we and once there's a certain level of where you help where you actually are doing it well
00:26:59.400
yes yeah i mean there's a certain point where you kind of fused yes to be honest and actually
00:27:04.220
that's trying not to get that line this is why i wanted to bring this up this is this is ted cruz
00:27:08.120
defending his sort of point on this uh and i'll just read this bit out this one i came to the senate
00:27:13.860
committed to being the leading defender of israel um okay you see the thing that um i find most
00:27:23.180
peculiar about that is that he thinks that that looks good yes right to a certain part of the base
00:27:28.900
that does play well but this this is where the fracture is coming in yes it's like some people are
00:27:33.400
like well hang on why not the leading defender of the us or texas and he's also missing out a very
00:27:39.800
important point because we have people here who are mps that went over to pakistan and demanded that
00:27:46.000
we have an airport that looked after and they and we criticize them for being the leading defenders
00:27:52.060
of pakistan or the leading defenders of another country oh yeah the leading defenders of being
00:27:57.640
another religion rather than being the defender of britain the defender of our nation culture and
00:28:03.580
history and you can't then he's going to have a real difficulty saying i'm the leading defender
00:28:10.040
defender of israel meaning that i am you know when people say i am the leading defender of islam in
00:28:17.660
america quite and and we criticize those people absolutely quite right omar who said what is it
00:28:23.840
that um that she's there for the somali that's right it's like well you shouldn't be i came and
00:28:29.480
likewise you should not be a well i can't say you you shouldn't be a defender of israel you can be a
00:28:34.040
defender of israel if you want but that shouldn't be your primary goal no and if if omar now comes out
00:28:38.220
into the congress and says i made it my primary goal to come into congress to be a leading defender
00:28:44.060
of somalia there's no one in the republican movement now can criticize her and well you know if i was her
00:28:50.120
advisor i'd be doing saying get that out now because it's yeah it's a challenge it's a challenge
00:28:55.940
yeah and and she will show them for and and it's a very i think it's a very silly thing for him to have
00:29:02.180
said to open up kind of criticism for what is a good cause well this is my point how can how can
00:29:10.060
it be america first i mean it's not okay i'm america first plus also this other thing yeah you
00:29:16.280
know it doesn't work like that and and this is kind of where i want to kind of finish this segment
00:29:19.760
is that what what's going to be the takeaway from this i mean ted cruise took 1.9 million from
00:29:25.700
apac um and i don't think it's unreasonable to ask if it's american interests that are driving
00:29:33.540
american foreign policy and for my money um tucker won this debate um hands down and the reason is
00:29:41.920
is because you know what are we all going to remember from this exchange two weeks two months two years
00:29:48.460
from now i think it's going to be the extent of apac money and influence of israeli influence over
00:29:55.360
the us and i think that's a bit of a loss a tactical loss for israel because what they had
00:30:00.780
done is they built up this huge bulkwood of six of of goodwill and support and you kind of want to
00:30:08.000
have that for when you need it yeah you don't want to take that and spend it on a regime change that
00:30:14.100
will fail but i think all we're going to get out of this as we remember it later on is israeli
00:30:19.520
influence on american foreign and it gives uh on the other side huge um amount of weaponry and
00:30:26.140
armory for people to attack those of us who uh believe in defending israel on a number of fronts
00:30:32.320
and um and i think that's going to be a really difficult element for us because we we every
00:30:38.200
country should have its own independent foreign policy understands allies and the need to defend
00:30:43.660
allies but ultimately even we can disagree with allies about strategy or outcomes and it must be
00:30:52.240
in the interest of the united states to be able to challenge israel if they think well and it's a
00:30:56.500
fundamentally different thing defending an ally yeah to attacking on behalf of an ally that's and so
00:31:01.760
there's all sorts of elements about it you know i can like people in countries in europe but it doesn't
00:31:06.180
mean i want to be a member of the european union of course and i can i will defend them if they get
00:31:10.100
attacked you know if china decided to want to bomb germany for whatever particular reason then there's
00:31:14.880
a reason for us to be of course caution but that is not my primary role of being an mep or an mp
00:31:21.600
as it was then and not not now it's because i want to come out and that's it's going to create
00:31:25.640
problems i'll read some comments um oh can i just say one more oh yes go on then which was just
00:31:30.540
another thing to consider as well is that the american levels of sentiment and goodwill towards
00:31:37.160
israel uh probably uh on well they're going to time out especially seeing as you've got you know
00:31:45.060
a lot of young people now across the west who optically are quite disgusted by the israel
00:31:50.460
palestine issue which has been very very divisive and it does seem to be something that the young
00:31:55.580
people in particular uh they don't have the same level of loyalty no they don't the boomers or gen x have
00:32:02.300
had historically people of ted cruz's age yeah and so going forward yeah israel's going to have to
00:32:09.220
play it smarter yeah uh matt hammond says dan's open letter to america was great um what he failed
00:32:15.440
to consider was we install a prince and we'd monetize it on amazon with jeremy clarkson clarkson's
00:32:20.660
kingdom uh yes i i'm all in favor of that a little known fad uh fact ted cruz is spanish for i'm an
00:32:27.540
idiot and i publicly co-concede of it i don't think he is i think he's quite smart um and if there
00:32:32.000
was a better argument that he could make he would have made it by now um that's a random name says
00:32:36.520
iran being two weeks a year from having nukes for the last 30 years um uh yes excellent and and
00:32:42.800
stiglson says it's uh 60 million years in the future the sun is expanding to red dwarf the earth
00:32:47.220
is mere days away from being consumed iran is only two weeks away from building a nuke yes
00:32:52.240
well i'm gonna i'm gonna go on to something that that's just as equally ridiculous as some of those
00:33:01.100
statements but actually unfortunately is a very uh poor and negative fact um look immigration is
00:33:07.380
always in in the front and foremost minds of many many people uh and and it's kind of come back to
00:33:13.560
us not only in this discussion here as i'll come back later towards the end of this about what would
00:33:18.740
be an impact of a regime change in iran but also we've seen the casey report the grooming gangs we've
00:33:26.800
seen 25 percent of uh or criminals in in sexual offenses cases only two days ago being reported as
00:33:33.740
being connected to illegal migration and non-uk citizens uh from a non-european base and we we're
00:33:41.540
seeing the impacts on housing and schools across the country and so the idea that immigration isn't
00:33:47.760
going to go away is a big issue legal and illegal so i'm going to just do a quick summary on something
00:33:53.400
some of it i hope can be a little bit light-hearted because i'm going to end up with something that i
00:33:57.020
think is quite worrying towards the end of it so the first of these is um this is uh where we are no
00:34:06.360
i thought we're the first one should be where we are on this year oh no i've uploaded the wrong ones
00:34:14.220
then by the looks of it i've uploaded it twice so okay all right um that's a bit of a shame right
00:34:21.280
so i'm gonna talk about this year uh we have kind of upload uh 16 800 uh people have come across the
00:34:31.460
channel and it's a lovely bright sunny day and whilst we might be thinking of going for a glass
00:34:36.180
of wine or we'd like to have like a beer at the end of the day there are the entrepreneurs the people
00:34:42.500
smugglers who are ready to get their nice cruise liners across the channel with thousands more today
00:34:49.380
or royal navy completely unable to stop them unable to stop them oral and i just looking at them
00:34:54.920
and welking them in maybe they've got a beer and a glass of wine or a dandelion and burdock well i think
00:34:59.760
i think the um the lifeboat service is helping them actively but the consequence of that 16 800
00:35:05.280
we're 40 up from last year uh we've probably made around 85 million for the people smugglers it's
00:35:13.400
kind of cost as i think on the figures that i've put on cmep this morning roughly up to around a
00:35:18.380
billion already this year we'll first so did you say we we made the people smugglers 85 million
00:35:23.540
this year yeah this year just alone it's a good business you know uh if they were floating on the
00:35:29.260
stock market there are a lot of people will be buying into them it's a good good industry and if
00:35:34.060
you look here this is since 2018 uh just on the boats 167 704 as of last night uh you can see the
00:35:44.740
the annual cost and what i do that is 8 billion uh just related to them for just the boat people just
00:35:51.920
the boat people just the boat people and then on the right you see how much that the people smugglers
00:35:56.780
have made since 2018 and that's a rough estimate between 12 15 000 pounds over a billion since
00:36:03.440
2018 that's why i say good money nice little business to be in on there and i think it's
00:36:10.180
down isn't it for the next one or is it next uh no it's it is you yeah i'll do my link to be honest
00:36:18.580
up here okay much easier and just as a summary the boats aren't the only thing everyone seems to think
00:36:26.700
you know okay it's just a few little guys and obviously if you're a member of the the the labor
00:36:32.960
party um i think you just turned around and said it's basically all women that are coming across
00:36:37.840
on on the boat even though you never see one yeah even though you very rarely see them and
00:36:42.240
those figures i'm i'm just building towards the end of this this is the kind of my latest run on
00:36:47.540
colors and branding to try and pull together a massive number of everything that's occurred
00:36:51.620
that number 226 682 are people who've come in on planes boats backs of lorries and other ways of
00:37:00.420
getting into the country there clearly are those that we miss but these all come from ons figures
00:37:05.560
alone so they're four routes again since 2018 and that 226 000 is only till march 2025 so you could
00:37:14.460
probably add on another 10 grand on that because that's what's coming in april may and june so hang
00:37:20.040
on there this is a quarter is it uh no this is since 2018 uh this is just illegal migrants is that
00:37:27.980
number yeah just the illegal migrants that have come in on on the boats planes and trains uh and i can
00:37:35.820
see that you've got there how how they're coming in on their arrivals i see the numbers uh actually
00:37:41.980
that's my mistake i can see that they should all have an extra digit on them on there so i'm gonna have
00:37:46.980
to redo that but the big number to look at there is 226 682 plus about another 10 000 since march 2025
00:37:54.300
who've come into the country so 167 have come over thousand have come over on boats you've got
00:38:01.320
to then another 50 000 since 2018 come on the backs of planes and lorries and other routes as well into
00:38:07.040
the uk and that creates a huge sum of money to us as i was pointing out 8 billion but huge sum of money
00:38:13.740
to people smugglers too and that ignores the separate number of how many people who are here
00:38:21.300
claiming visas and then later on try and change it and say i want to stay here that's a different set
00:38:26.240
of figures so 226 000 illegal since 2018 one of the bits of research i'm doing is going all the way
00:38:32.880
back to 2000 just on asylum seekers it's really really difficult because the government doesn't
00:38:38.440
produce the numbers of how many are illegals but i've got around 1.2 million asylum seekers since
00:38:43.680
2000 so that'll be out there now i'm i'm gonna say okay people might think that's pretty okay numbers
00:38:51.720
226 000 what's that the size of southampton winchester easley and i'm pretty much some of the
00:38:58.760
than portsmouth just a couple of cities you know maybe the whole of greater manchester not greater
00:39:05.320
manchester sorry manchester central not greater manchester but it's a big number yes well yes
00:39:09.740
maybe some of our erstwhile fans who are watching this can come out and find what cities have got
00:39:15.300
226 000 but that's what's arrived uh so imagine building that hospitals schools infrastructure water
00:39:22.900
electricity gas then pay benefits of people for provide jobs all for that number of years since
00:39:29.560
2018 gps the lot a whole lot so that's what's arrived uh and then they're still coming
00:39:35.100
but i had to love love this one this story okay they're still coming this picture someone had a
00:39:41.460
video i couldn't find the video i saw it this morning someone did actually have a video of this
00:39:48.460
i mean what did he do jog past the french police who were apparently on the on the beaches
00:39:55.720
he quickly rushed around he'd then get into the water and identify he was gonna he was planning to
00:40:02.120
swim swim it the whole way well no no no no he's he he's got into that boat and he had a crutch
00:40:07.000
he's got a crutch so he was on the beach with his crutch and he got past the french police on a
00:40:12.740
crutch then got into the water i mean that's silly the nhs will provide him one the moment he turns up
00:40:17.520
but i i thought did he identify as a submarine and use the crutch as a kind of water just to get to
00:40:23.820
the boat to evade the police blip blip i see the catching but it's this is a kind of level of joke
00:40:29.120
that we've got french police are out there uh they say that they're doing a job they've got
00:40:33.880
800 million i think is so far that we've given them in the last 10 15 years well then why would
00:40:39.260
they stop it yeah that's right and we're paying their police to from ours as well so um so i just
00:40:45.680
thought to myself you know that's a bit of comedy stuff but it's not really fun funny but apparently
00:40:50.580
keir starmer said he he'd he'd stop the gangs because he's now really worried about it
00:40:56.100
and allegedly keir is really worried about it i was out um on uh tuesday night in london
00:41:02.880
uh having conversations with some former labour spads i love the fact they're former labour spads
00:41:08.680
already and they came in they talked about the ech or how they want to change it and that keir is
00:41:14.740
really concerned about it uh and i asked them why are they is keir starmer really concerned about
00:41:20.760
when he's never really been in there in the past and and it's because of that obviously the red wall
00:41:26.660
collapsed without radical action to stop small boats yeah they fear it for votes and loss of their
00:41:31.700
own power just as the taurus did never out of the genuine injustice or principle absolutely and that's
00:41:38.600
crucial it's not about the fact and i just look there's some of the images that i i'm not finding
00:41:44.480
that particular funny i'm just looking in that boat and again i i i want to get uh was it darren
00:41:50.860
jones who was on uh question time you said it that i wanted to have a look at that picture
00:41:55.500
and if he was either one who said that they're overwhelmingly women and children yeah i just
00:41:59.460
want to look in that picture and see there's a lot of children in there huge number of children
00:42:03.780
in there all those at the back 20 year old children yeah all those at the back are going to claim that
00:42:07.740
they're under the age of 18 uh and i've got some really fun statistics on that that i'm that i'm
00:42:13.220
bringing i might show you guys just as a sample to see whether you like the model that i'm using
00:42:17.360
in the imagery at the back end of it but you know again they're not really doing it out of the care
00:42:22.820
the fact that they're concerned about us or the country they're concerned about losing their seats
00:42:27.780
now and then i just found this one i can't i just on online mike tap right anyone who sees mike tap
00:42:36.420
he hates uh reform the conservative party and then he's produced this
00:42:41.920
we're facing a national security crisis the tory open borders mean the smuggling gangs
00:43:02.020
are mocking us we would not accept thousands barging through the barriers at heap row and we
00:43:09.080
will not accept illegal entries by sea the public are sick of it we are sick of it and you're quite
00:43:16.860
rightly asking what have we done and what more can we do
00:43:21.000
right so i'm going to stop there this is a labour mp for dover this is an interesting tone shift yes
00:43:30.120
very interesting everything that i have said i've done videos like that which i've been far right
00:43:36.320
and extremist and i'm just wondering whether hope not hate are actually going to now put it's not
00:43:40.900
far right when they do it yeah or whether or whether prevent uk because only recently they've said that
00:43:46.720
anyone who's concerned about mass immigration are now terrorists or whether they're going to say
00:43:50.960
mike mike is a terrorist i mean if they're just saying the things that we were saying five years ago
00:43:55.320
why don't they just listen to us now and get a jump on the next five years exactly exactly i'm just
00:44:00.340
i'm fascinated and what we're saying is deportation so to the despicable criminals organizing these
00:44:06.140
crossings your time is up amand hassan zada knows it the iranian national living in preston he's now
00:44:14.540
inside for 17 years ahmed ebid knows it 25 years for smuggling thousands from north africa
00:44:22.640
into europe paul giglia knows it dilshad shammo ali kadir all of these by the way all arrested
00:44:30.280
and looked at goes on under the conservatives nothing to do with labor and i bet they're all
00:44:35.640
international cooperation smashing criminal supply chains anyway so what he goes on to do there and
00:44:42.280
people you can have a look at that he talks about how labor's doing exactly that smashing criminal
00:44:46.460
supply chains with our friends in europe uh we're we're smashing the gangs but the end of it is
00:44:52.280
interesting he then says we need to look at the ech or i don't drag it through because it goes on
00:44:58.020
for three and a half uh okay what does he say about that he then says we need to reform the ech or you
00:45:04.060
can't do it you just have to leave yes well that that is the point i've been pointing this out for a
00:45:08.020
long time the ech or has two distinctive elements to it the first is the the legal basis uh of which
00:45:17.120
enables people to be able to claim uh appeals for asylums and the first be prior to that is whether
00:45:23.260
they can actually pass in the first place and when you make a claim for indefinite leave to remain
00:45:28.580
there are three categories one is you're an asylum seeker as we know it under the un convention
00:45:33.780
on on refugees and that's minuscule it's about 20 percent 25 percent if that of all the people who
00:45:40.660
are granted indefinitely to remain fall under that category a lot of those who are ukrainian for
00:45:45.600
example fleeing torture only about five percent fall under a direct category linking itself to the ech or
00:45:51.940
the remaining 70 percent 60 to 70 percent depending on the year is discretionary it's all the rules
00:46:00.000
created by the home office to allow people to come in this individual as a mental health issue that
00:46:05.880
can't be treated in somalia we've got the nhs we can look after him therefore he stays that couple
00:46:11.860
there will be abused in iran for being being gay despite the fact that they've got one of the largest
00:46:16.820
transgender kind of hospitals haven't they i understand in the world but hey we'll still let
00:46:21.860
them in under our rules i mean i even heard a case and i had to check it because i thought no that
00:46:26.660
can't be true but it was that some guy avoided deportations because his son prefers the chicken
00:46:32.000
nuggets here oh yeah yeah that's on the second stage so then it comes to the ech or creating legislation
00:46:37.720
which is then interpreted by the lawyers to keep them in and that you can get it i'm the lawyer you're
00:46:44.860
the client he says my son he doesn't like chicken mac nuggets in albania so i will put that forward
00:46:50.040
as one of my arguments to the judge and the immigration judge will go do you know what that
00:46:56.200
actually falls right within the ech or principles and right to life and you i can i got it i got it
00:47:02.220
i don't like chicken mac nuggets in albania either so they've then extended it so anyone like themselves
00:47:07.460
who's saying that we can just amend the ech or to remove those elements are naive because what's
00:47:13.240
happened now it's become part of our common law well and it's not like we didn't watch david kemmen
00:47:17.160
and the tories spend 14 years running this exact line are we just going to reform and that's what
00:47:22.300
i was coming to you picked it up they're running the exact lines i could be watching a video yes for
00:47:27.360
pretty patel or you know or cleverly doing doing this i'm not sure we'd have it in generic in the
00:47:34.020
same way now i think he'd go a lot further so what i'm seeing in labor is they're deeply concerned
00:47:39.300
that the starmer's saying is that these people that i was talking to on tuesday night
00:47:43.320
uh very interesting group of people there was um myself a presenter for gb news won't give you
00:47:50.200
names of which one some labor people some others who are supporter labor all coming around saying
00:47:56.080
they're all recognizing this is the massive issue for labor now and that they're going to try and
00:48:00.800
deal with it and and then we have so if but if it weren't a threat to their power then they they
00:48:06.800
wouldn't do anything about it i i not out of will no i fundamentally believe that i fundamentally
00:48:11.780
believe that and now so now we're hearing things like this over the last year i was looking up but
00:48:16.940
i wanted to get into uh the european issues and i decided i'm going to next week do a full uh part
00:48:25.400
on what we're going to do in your what europe's doing on this and the big numbers that they've
00:48:29.300
gotten issues on that but france is saying it wants to try and stop more uk bound migrants at sea
00:48:34.720
there is some real genuinely um uh statistics coming out from the french trying to pot boats and
00:48:41.440
arrest people out there i know i made fun why is it in the french's interest to do that though um
00:48:45.680
it's all to do with the eu deal that we've just uh we have just succumbed on so many areas like
00:48:51.800
allowing our uh fishing land the fishing grounds to be actually taken over i get what i get there why
00:48:57.500
they'd sign the deal i don't i just don't know what they would then bother to follow through because
00:49:00.740
it's not like we hold them up no no we wouldn't we wouldn't but i think there's some pressure on
00:49:05.100
the french from within the commission to say oh come on you've got to hold up your end for a while
00:49:08.960
you've got to look like you've got to look like you're doing it and that's what i that's what i
00:49:12.360
think and also it may well be that they're actually are beginning to get a little bit worried about
00:49:16.800
this so the interior ministry here in this case say the boats were up 42 percent compared to 22
00:49:21.900
2024 i agree it's fluctuating between 40 and 42 percent on a daily basis but what that means at the
00:49:28.720
end of this year is we're looking around at 54 55 000 going to arrive this year but will be the
00:49:37.880
biggest number ever this year if it can because of the big months uh uh august end of july august and
00:49:44.000
september where we've seen huge numbers 2023 i think we had 1032 in one day or one sorry 1332 in
00:49:51.980
one day so we've got that um but telegraph labor's migration promises have failed to
00:50:00.660
materialize that we know for certain without a doubt we've not seen anything so far who thought
00:50:06.360
they would yeah i know and i can understand why this guy that i was talking to on tuesday decided he
00:50:12.660
wanted to get out of trying to work on this and go into as they do pr and you know lobbying themselves
00:50:18.840
but you know they they recognize it isn't going to work um and then even the ft which has been a big
00:50:26.380
big supporter of of starma is saying labor's small post policy risks foundering its previous success in
00:50:34.640
stopping lorries makes reducing illicit migration harder for the government but they're not stopping
00:50:39.800
the lorries they're coming back that's my research is starting to say that they're recognizing that
00:50:44.160
we've become weak on on lorries so i haven't understood why i've not got any of the people
00:50:49.100
who talk to me from a border force or border agencies trying to indicate why are we checking
00:50:54.220
less is it because we've opened our borders a lot more easily after this deal with the eu
00:50:58.840
that more but more lorries now getting through without being checked and stopped there's no other
00:51:03.480
holdups so now the people smugglers are saying that the lowest end i may just say out of the way that
00:51:10.040
the profit margins work uh and the way that you can get over the lowest cost is on the back of a lorry
00:51:16.960
right you're just shoved there because it's the highest risk oh the the highest uh cost to you
00:51:24.500
is when you're in the back of a car or back of a caravan right because these people have been sold
00:51:29.760
and you're getting into that back of the caravan with your family and you'll be hidden and and you've
00:51:34.680
got a lot of chance of getting through and the person driving it gets a lot of money out of it as well
00:51:38.820
the middle ranking is on the boats uh so they're shoving you back on the lorries because it's a
00:51:44.060
risk for you you can you can die because you get underneath it or you try and get into the back
00:51:48.660
so people who either can't afford the last element of their debt to the to the people smugglers will
00:51:54.620
get you to the lorries and of course once more with certain lorry companies and people are bought off
00:52:00.680
lorry drivers are bought off so that does happen um and then we've got uh this though this is what
00:52:08.680
i find very very interesting the americans have got involved so i asked uh samsung to to put this
00:52:15.380
up for for people so that they can if they want to download it themselves and have a look
00:52:20.760
this is interesting here it's an organization in the united states very very very pro mass migration
00:52:28.600
very opposed to trump very opposed to controlling immigration and it has actually written and
00:52:34.680
provided this research for a uk eu deal on migration and asylum look at the date june 25 it's all being
00:52:42.220
linked in to the plans that are being discussed in the european union at the moment and it's a i'll
00:52:48.680
just run through there they talk about who crosses the channel and why well we pretty much know that
00:52:53.120
they're crossing wise it's a lovely life in here compared to where they go and they're looking at
00:52:57.900
this designing a readmissions deal and showing solidarity in return for readmissions and this is
00:53:04.960
what i'm hearing on the grapevine from europe is that a deal that's being looked at in seriousness
00:53:12.460
and i think it's quite a good model from this when i've opened it up um we lack the time to be able
00:53:18.600
to analyze some of the big numbers in it is that the readmission deal that they're considering is
00:53:24.740
having ports and i don't mean it in ports as in boats ports port stops so that illegal migrants from
00:53:31.760
europe can come into france and possibly even germany in other countries if it works this way and go
00:53:38.720
hi i want to go to britain and i want to go to britain because i've got family there or i've got links
00:53:44.600
there and i'm really fleeing the terror that's coming out of iran sorry iraq or something that's
00:53:51.720
another any one of them where it comes obviously iran's next and and then they're going to turn
00:53:56.900
around so i want to go over to britain and the french and the germans will assess them using our
00:54:03.480
rules allegedly connected to some european union framework of assessing whether someone is a genuine
00:54:10.260
asylum seeker and it will be done in their country and once the french or the germans or the italians
00:54:17.540
agree that person is past the so-called agreed uh category of asylum they will be sent to britain
00:54:25.140
i don't love this idea no directly terrible and in return allegedly we will be able to return
00:54:33.140
to france those who've come over on the boats i mean maybe if it's maybe if it's a ratio of 100 to
00:54:40.220
one or something yeah so if there's 100 we leave and then we get one back that would work but it
00:54:44.660
doesn't work under the dublin convention when we were in the european union it was three times as
00:54:50.400
many came over to the world that we returned so this is a little scheme for the government to say
00:54:57.320
we've got a proper policy in place it gives them just enough to say they're doing something we're
00:55:02.440
doing something we're stopping the boats and effectively works in the hands of those who say
00:55:07.840
you've got a nice clean route to come in the safe route we've saved that and we're going to stop the
00:55:13.560
people smugglers from doing it poppycock because at the end of the day there will be someone who says
00:55:19.260
i want to get over there and might be kicked out what do you think is going to happen the people
00:55:24.560
smugglers are going to go hey my man let's come in it's unfortunately it's a little bit more
00:55:29.500
now i don't know why i'm doing a french accent maybe it was macaroni it's very good yeah but there
00:55:33.320
we go and now you've done it you do exactly that and i've noticed in the time i'm going to finish on
00:55:39.820
this and why i'm finishing on this is because i don't want to be the bearer of huge horrid news
00:55:45.780
we're looking at 55 000 coming in this year across the channel we don't get as many as france i admit we
00:55:52.100
don't get as many as germany and we certainly don't get as many as italy we're one of the top
00:55:55.820
five countries that get this but we're getting 55 000 because a year or so ago the europol and the
00:56:01.480
europeans warned that we had about 225 000 come across the western routes the mediterranean routes
00:56:06.920
etc this is their latest surge in irregular migration puts pressure on the eu borders
00:56:14.840
you sort of term irregular meaning illegal illegal look at the number
00:56:20.060
380 000 irregulars were cross detected in 2023 that's now a jump of what they said was 230 in that
00:56:29.920
year so there was 150 000 more came in in 2023 and what happens is when they arrive across those
00:56:38.120
mediterranean routes and the west african routes those right means that they head towards us
00:56:43.980
and they're warning us again that they've got similar numbers for this year they're seeing huge
00:56:49.440
numbers coming across the western migration routes into the mediterranean region the west africans in
00:56:56.000
particular uh and you can see guinans afghans following syrians we've got a lot of indians
00:57:01.260
coming down now flying into countries that then can get them in on these routes into europe
00:57:08.680
huge influx of indians as we've seen in the american borders when they were crossing the borders
00:57:14.540
in mexico there were large numbers so if we're going to see 380 000 again i can estimate that we
00:57:21.840
will get 55 60 000 again next year and this concerns me about why we get into a war with iran
00:57:28.720
90 million there we've just seen what's happening in syria we're seeing brutalization and murder even
00:57:35.040
though we're going to roll out the carpet for the syrian president and that former terrorist and isis
00:57:40.440
we are going to see more coming over the next few years and they're going to do this if their policy
00:57:46.260
works we won't see them coming across necessarily on the boats in huge numbers i still think we will
00:57:50.500
but this time we'll see them just coming straight in from ports or safe ports or safe places in europe so
00:57:56.720
i want to just let people see the numbers that are coming in the threats to us in the future
00:58:02.060
and the challenges that we will have but how the politicians in europe are going to try and pull
00:58:07.980
the wool over our eyes once more when nothing changes except more coming in this is a real issue
00:58:14.120
isn't it when uh when brexit happens that you know you think okay well we've left the european union
00:58:19.660
but none of that matters if the uh moral uh you know if the the british elites and the eu elites are
00:58:27.600
in total moral alignment with one another yeah over what is correct and what should be done and they
00:58:33.580
all agree that we should be taking these people yeah they even though we don't want them but they do
00:58:38.940
and even though they and that is dwarfed by the legal issue and of course we get america we've got
00:58:43.840
american organizations drafting up the same ideology and policies for us to kind of incorporate
00:58:51.120
and you know i wonder where that money comes from is it usaid is it the state department
00:58:56.860
is it just these very large organizations that fund huge money i mean i did some brief research on some of
00:59:04.300
the big ngos and and also the think tanks that support all of this and they were looking like getting
00:59:10.940
10 20 million pounds a year and of course iom the the migration part of the un gets a budget of 3.8
00:59:17.580
billion give me 3.8 billion we'd have the whole agenda chose overnight
00:59:22.360
any of the comments yeah i'll just go through comments uh habsification says uh this will cause
00:59:30.180
deep resentment from britain to europe well i mean the resentment was already there yeah
00:59:35.440
uh it says iran has has the largest transgender hospital because they force all gays to undergo
00:59:45.200
sex reassignment the logic is allah is fallible and these people are gay because they're in the wrong
00:59:50.900
body interesting and uh i heard something about it i didn't know it was true and funny how that mp
00:59:57.020
in the video points out the iranian yes yes interesting yes yes all right then ladies and gentlemen
01:00:06.560
so on to something cultural and interesting and historical which is uh yesterday on the 18th of
01:00:14.560
june it was the 210th anniversary of the battle of waterloo because um you might not believe this
01:00:22.980
but one time a day we were great and powerful and stood up for ourselves and we commanded respect
01:00:31.320
all around the world and of course beyond the the actual battle itself which is significant
01:00:37.140
as as a battle of course really the battle of waterloo is significant in terms of breaking
01:00:43.220
uh the power of france and heralding the beginning of what will become known of course as
01:00:50.900
the pax britannica right that century of british supremacy around the world from after the end of
01:00:57.760
the napoleonic war all the way until basically world war one you know i mean you can argue about you
01:01:04.620
know the minute details of that but that's the general essence of it and so after throwing seven
01:01:12.360
whole coalitions at napoleon we finally beat him yeah and then also uh so one thing
01:01:20.840
as well that i just wanted to talk about is that the fact of the matter is that when it comes to
01:01:26.000
something like waterloo you get this impression that because obviously every generation is naturally
01:01:34.100
most defined by the things that immediately preceded it right and so of course in our case it is only
01:01:41.320
natural despite all the things that we talk about that we live still in the shadow of world war ii we
01:01:46.720
still live in the shadow of world war ii and you know which was in in many ways just as important
01:01:52.720
as world war ii in terms of the psychological effect that it had on europe and how it scarred a whole
01:01:59.740
generation of europeans and of course so from there of course we naturally uh feel more inclined to that
01:02:10.000
you might think oh i i had a grandfather who fought in world war ii i had a great grandfather
01:02:15.420
who fought in world war one as i did and i know stories about them and having that connection
01:02:20.680
you know to your family makes the history a little bit more real yes but this was against the french
01:02:26.740
oh yes yes the last war against the last good war the last one yes the last what truly moral
01:02:33.740
war yes now obviously i i could be glib and i could say isn't it about time we had another
01:02:39.240
and after your segment quite frankly like i i was just thinking maybe the french see this as their
01:02:44.480
return to waterloo you know yes and and despite everything i said in my iran segment i'm all in
01:02:49.860
favor of destabilizing france well but the helpful thing about france as well is that they often just
01:02:56.120
do it to themselves well yes they are experts at destabilizing themselves they're doing a very good job
01:03:02.420
three revolutions two empires five republics yeah very volatile people they take 53 percent of
01:03:11.180
their own gdp in tax which is insane like the world top insane people so but ultimately i do want to
01:03:20.840
draw the point that even though it is true that those events in world war ii world war one might hit
01:03:27.600
closer to home for us it doesn't mean that the actual life laid down in service to britain okay in
01:03:36.200
1945 or 1815 had any more or less worth right that person still picked up that rifle they still fought
01:03:45.740
bravely they still experienced what that must have felt like to be a to be a soldier fighting for britain
01:03:52.240
yeah right doesn't matter or going back to agincourt right the only thing that differentiates these men
01:03:58.340
really is time oh yeah but they're still part of the same continuum yes they're still part of the
01:04:03.760
grand narrative of england of britain and so it's that that's one of the most important reasons why
01:04:10.500
we should constantly commemorate battles and we should commemorate what our men bled for
01:04:16.400
you know and so i wanted to start really by addressing this so there was a policy exchange
01:04:23.280
review and it took a did a survey around 249 secondary schools in the country uh going up to
01:04:31.640
key stage three and for uh american audiences or those who might not use those terms for the curriculum
01:04:37.700
that's all children basically between the ages of 11 to 14 yeah and so by the time that a british
01:04:45.380
schoolchild gets to the age of 14 that's the last time that you're ever taught british history
01:04:52.240
compulsorily right from there you you get to take history as an option for a gcse as i did right i
01:05:00.080
took history as an option and then if you want yes you can go on to a level and you can go on to do
01:05:05.400
a degree in it as well right okay but i mean even back in my day by the time you got onto gcse it was
01:05:11.520
all russian revolution and the war and then it was just the war right world war ii yes yeah british
01:05:18.480
history was long gone yes but it wasn't always like this no it wasn't always like this and we can see
01:05:24.920
here from these details 99 of surveyed schools teach the slave trade yeah and 89 teach the british
01:05:32.460
empire that's good but less than one in five schools teach about the battles of agincourt
01:05:38.200
waterloo or trafalgar right so less than the fifth of our school children are growing up to learn about
01:05:45.800
waterloo right which i consider very just you know discouraging now obviously i understand that there is
01:05:52.900
a finite window of time in the school year and that you can only learn so much yeah but you want to
01:06:00.280
cover the greatest hits you want to cover the greatest hits you want to cover the moments of
01:06:04.160
glory and it's but that's i say glory and i don't mean that glibly because of course war is horrible
01:06:10.240
yeah but there is still virtue in war there is virtue in the bravery there is virtue in standing up to
01:06:17.980
other other power and we were good at it and not being bullied as a nation right yes we were very
01:06:23.180
good at it but i suppose if you want a meek servile population then you don't don't tell them we were
01:06:29.120
strong then the slave trade is uh much more useful yeah because it reminds you to actually stay in
01:06:34.520
your lane be good listen to the minorities yeah and don't have any ideas of your own so you have here
01:06:40.280
this uh article which came from lbc of all places uh which said before d-day there was waterloo
01:06:48.720
why don't we recognize it probably because of places like lbc to be honest with you but nonetheless so
01:06:55.180
they had a they did an interview with a 99 year old gentleman called phil robinson right and phil
01:07:02.440
said that um yes that's right the battle in trafalgar and waterloo were key dates in the curriculum
01:07:09.460
when he was growing up at school yeah right probably in the 30s 40s whatever it would have been
01:07:15.560
and one of the other things that i just wanted to pay attention to was not just what was taught at
01:07:21.040
schools but what used to happen out on the streets of britain so this here is an image that i pulled
01:07:28.000
up of the celebration celebrations for trafalgar day back in 1900 wow around nelson's column and you can
01:07:35.900
see wow it is absolutely fantastic it's stunning right so that's 95 years after the battle of trafalgar
01:07:44.900
and yet it was still able to draw out of living memory but it was still able to draw crowds like
01:07:51.640
that that level of patriotism that level of remembrance for these for these causes i would
01:07:58.600
have loved to have seen london back in those days yeah me too me too uh and but that's sort of the
01:08:05.320
point i also want to draw attention to in this segment there is you know if the feeling is there
01:08:11.460
there is no reason we cannot i'm not saying it'll ever be quite that but we should be aiming for that
01:08:17.920
we should be aiming for that that's what we should be aspiring to yeah and if school isn't going to
01:08:23.300
teach it then it falls on to excuse me it falls on to us to do it right this is um i was having a
01:08:30.260
conversation with uh someone in the family uh the other week and uh she just turned 16 and she said oh
01:08:37.400
i'll never do history again well what do you mean i i finished uh doing history at the age of 18
01:08:44.600
but i never stopped doing history no i i my daughter's still into it i've got it i i'm doing
01:08:50.100
it every i do it every day i mean literally reading something new about it even though you look at
01:08:55.120
like when you talk about british history history and english history there are a limited number of
01:09:00.440
original documents but you still get picked up from something that's different that you've not seen or
01:09:05.240
read or an interesting story and and i think that's really vital it definitely is and alive and if
01:09:11.360
you feel it yeah you will do it instinctually right you'll do it instinctively and so because these men
01:09:18.560
were real right they're not just stories and not just words in history books and i have here a picture
01:09:25.420
of some of the last surviving waterloo veterans uh chelsea hospital uh back in 1880 i mean just look at
01:09:34.340
these guys incredible incredible yeah that's real and obviously john mckay 42nd regiment age 95 wounded
01:09:41.440
at badadios wounded at waterloo robert norton age 90 34th regiment right germany holland you know i'm
01:09:49.300
sitting here thinking i'm thinking you know i like your point about teaching our kids yeah proper
01:09:54.100
history the only thing that gives me pause on that it'd be useful to have some sort of visual materials
01:09:59.340
for me to go with it and i know that i can't just walk into waterstones and pick up a book because
01:10:03.600
it's probably going to be written by a lefty yeah maybe lotus eater should be producing a based
01:10:08.040
history of britain maybe we should take that on as a project it would be a good one i mean i'm gonna
01:10:13.680
ever think about i slightly mentioned it last week when i said we should be up in our own publishing
01:10:18.020
company we have no spoiler we have some plans on that front oh yeah good stuff and then we can write
01:10:25.860
our own books and publish them yes yeah and of course this isn't just a case of uh i just want
01:10:32.100
i just wanted to pull this one up because it's not just the british is it as well you know waterloo was
01:10:37.760
a group effort ladies and gentlemen yes even though we were the main stars yeah and you know the dutch and
01:10:43.760
the prussians they all they all had a hand in it and so you've obviously got a painting here of some
01:10:48.540
um uh dutch uh veterans of waterloo uh with the prince of orange who was on the battlefield that day
01:10:55.300
and i suppose the most this personally for me the most magical of all is the fact that we actually
01:11:01.680
have a very early photo well early technology photograph of the duke of wellington himself
01:11:08.500
oh how really this is him at about the age of 75 76 this would have been taken in the 1840s
01:11:14.940
godly an early photograph yeah incredible where did you get that one from i've not seen that before
01:11:20.620
uh yeah i uh to be honest i didn't discover it till fairly recently myself well to be honest it's one
01:11:26.880
of those things isn't it you think well general uh uh from 1815 there's not going to be a photograph
01:11:33.620
of it so you just don't look for it you know and then you know sometimes history surprises you yeah
01:11:39.900
well this has surprised me um cracker which is wonderful and so naturally i just have to draw
01:11:46.160
attention to one of the greatest historical films of all time and i got so i've lost my leg well
01:11:52.880
spoiler spoilers to my shame i haven't watched this i didn't know it was a thing yeah but you've
01:11:58.660
apparently this is free on youtube this is all free on youtube i'll be watching this then uh i just
01:12:04.020
want to play this 30 seconds sorry i spoil it no no it's all right oh there he is don't it look samson
01:12:19.800
stoic as hell yes yes lost my leg pull yourself together man stiff upper lip we're still going
01:12:42.300
to charge yes don't forget me sir as i go with you
01:12:45.680
and that was real that that actually happened his name was henry paget he was uh earl of uxbridge
01:12:53.440
at the time and yeah he took a shot shattered his right leg and then very composed said that line
01:13:02.640
so this is and uh it's not got the uh time stamp on here but i just also wanted to if i can find it
01:13:33.240
peak cinema go watch it yeah that is just marvelous it is and i love the way that they got it back back
01:13:57.240
back you know it's like a volley after a volley going oh yeah it's just remarkable but it was did
01:14:01.720
you hear what he said on the horse bucle was saying on the horse now my children charge
01:14:05.720
what a great line i've been waiting decades for this man to go down yeah it's uh it's remarkable and
01:14:14.840
so it but it's all these little details you know this is the thing about history it's all these little
01:14:19.960
details that bring it to life it's these individual moments of heroism it's it's a and it's a collective effort
01:14:27.240
as well at the same time it's all these things i've got to re-watch this that come together
01:14:31.920
about it yeah well if you look there i remember watching it as a as a as a boy yeah you know 19
01:14:37.560
there's a there's a fan cut yeah a fan cut in full hd they they've added a about four minutes to this i
01:14:44.560
think yeah i'm not sure from where because this is the only version i've ever seen but yes and so
01:14:49.780
obviously i can't not mention the fact that of course beau has his absolutely terrific
01:14:56.440
epoch series on the channel and he covered the battle of waterloo because beau is an absolute
01:15:01.880
patriot and cares about these things and he is the based historian i think i watched most of those
01:15:07.420
there's quite a few isn't there there are a lot of epochs now uh no no specifically on the battle of
01:15:12.380
waterloo yes 10 parts or whatever it was but yeah lots on the building as well 10 on on on the battle
01:15:19.640
waterloo that he did an eight part series about the life of napoleon wow and then the three part
01:15:25.220
series about wellington and so between those two yeah yeah yeah and he also i've not added it here but
01:15:31.140
he also discussed uh the film itself waterloo with the critical drinker so if you're interested in that
01:15:37.060
you can go find that on the website too and so there are you know even today it it does matter to
01:15:44.520
some people you know you have so you have to hear waterloo uh station marked the battle of waterloo
01:15:50.460
uh oh was this 200 i thought that this was very embarrassing if i brought up it from 10 years ago
01:15:58.140
well at any point it still brings about the i didn't know they did that at waterloo i still i just
01:16:04.540
genuinely didn't know they still did this at waterloo station because i would have gone if i'd known about
01:16:09.920
it yeah i'd like to see it once yeah i i must say i mean it's going back a while now but when the
01:16:14.660
whole channel tunnel thing was going on and people talking about the expense of stuff i dropped my
01:16:17.960
objections immediately as soon as i found out that the french side was terminating in waterloo
01:16:21.680
i just thought yes oh no i i wasn't going crazy i did pull up the right one it is the 210 so this is
01:16:28.940
a current article so yes this was just this was just yesterday and of course you've got them
01:16:34.640
dressed in that beautiful british imperial red and you know but you what you know i don't want
01:16:40.860
you look at the faces that they're older gentlemen you know the chelsea pensioners and that you know
01:16:45.460
and ultimately there comes a time when it's on the young younger generation to you know to carry the
01:16:51.420
mantle to carry the memory to carry well we we could do with a regiment of red red coats today
01:16:56.280
don't i believe that have you send them straight to dover absolutely possibly cafe yes yes and then
01:17:02.260
who knows what might happen from there oh golly um so yeah i i just think that it's really important
01:17:08.260
to commemorate these events and talk about them whenever necessary and whenever they come up
01:17:14.040
because in talking about them and discussing them at the dinner table with your families and discussing
01:17:19.200
them at friends and hosting local events because there's this one here at uh london waterloo station
01:17:25.380
which is of course one of the places where you'd naturally expect to have them yeah but if we ever want
01:17:30.620
to return to this level of glory then it will require us to really embody the memory of what they fought
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for and to care about it in a way that we're simply obviously not going to get out of our current elites
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because they don't want us to remember things like this they don't want you to remember that britain
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used to be more than uh channel crossings and x factor and deliveroo and human rights we weren't
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just great we were the greatest that we were the greatest yes we were the greatest no wonder they
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were their criticism of us now if we're talking about so you're looking back in the past you're
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your old nationalists you're your old colonialists now it's not the really the question about it's just
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about having respect yes for our history and these people that are involved in and also
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that from this was a sense of pride a sense of real companionship belonging and the way
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thinking forward it gave it creates a positive uh positive memory of how you can move forward
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not because we want to go out and blow everyone up it's because that unity that thing that we look
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at whether it's the flag whether it's the royal family whether it's the history joins us and combines
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us into one it doesn't segment us and then work together victories i mean i i would like to have
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something like that remembering remigration day we'll have it yes we'll have it dan then we'll
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celebrate that for the next hundred years a few wait uh yeah and but also you know it's all but
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it's also about the sacrifice yeah it's not just about the greatness and the glory it's about the
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sacrifice as well and the duke of wellington after the battle of waterloo said nothing except a battle
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lost can be half so melancholy as a battle won right so it's also about what they sacrificed
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it's about the the the psychic damage that was done on them in the name of patriotism in the name of
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defense and sometimes we have to lose good things precious things in order to save other things and
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that might just be the case with war takes huge tolls not only those who have to go out and
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be in combat but it takes tolls on the families who are away from them and it takes tolls on when
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they return yes i'll never forget you know the impact on my grandfather you know he jolly old
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man that he was but he clearly suffered from either forms of ptsd or certainly bad memories and we used
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to say when jim jim is sitting there with his wish uh with his brandy on his own in a corner leave him
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alone because you didn't want to disturb him on those times and and you know whether he was in
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his 70s he was still remembering and he never talked about it he well rarely he rarely ever talked about
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the losses that he faced in the second world war um the only thing he advised me against was never
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never to eat curries and um well he spent he spent his time in india yeah yeah and he said there's
01:20:36.560
only one reason why they put uh herbs and spices on food and i won't say that on here nowadays because
01:20:42.460
not in front of the children no clearly today everything is healthy and oh i'm sure and it's
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all all the meat is cut in the right way right of course so uh yeah remember remember those from
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world war ii remember those from world war one remember those from waterloo and remember those
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who stood for england yeah okay we can go to the video comments samson thank you
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good morning lettuce eaters picking up from last weekend's backpacking trip after a terrible night's
01:21:15.180
sleep the weather didn't seem to do me any favors the diffuse lighting from the clouds made for good
01:21:20.380
flower pictures at least before turning around to head to church i almost made it to the pass
01:21:25.500
with the worst of the climbing right at the end this gap between the rocks was really steep
01:21:30.540
and the hard pack snow drift was both annoying and somewhat dangerous to climb and descend without
01:21:36.120
my boot chains hope you guys are having a good week so far he is showing us some really beautiful
01:21:42.620
parts of oregon isn't it just stunning you kind of want to get out fantastic country yeah
01:21:47.520
can we get rid of this ayatollah t-shirt komeini died years ago but marge it works on any ayatollah
01:21:55.460
ayatollah nakbada ayatollah zahedi even as we speak ayatollah razmara and his cadre of fanatics
01:22:02.140
are consolidating their power i don't care who's consolidating their power
01:22:06.060
consider a space with an unknown topology maybe a landscape enveloped in fog or a frying pan with
01:22:25.280
an uneven temperature gradient you might be looking for the lowest or the coolest point
01:22:29.680
one means of finding it is called monte carlo analysis choose points at random and record
01:22:34.780
the depth or temperature as you add more points the more likely it is you have an idea of the
01:22:39.100
point of interest using linear set of points risks missing details hence the need for randomness
01:22:44.260
a wasp's random oscillations when approaching something delicious seems like monte carlo analysis
01:22:50.720
sorry i was trying trying to pay attention and then they just saw wasps and i just got angry and
01:22:58.820
forgot everything yeah monte carlo analysis used a lot in finance that one
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all right uh we'll go through uh some of the comments you want to go through on your segment
01:23:08.740
dan oh yes hang on uh here we go uh henry ashman says ted cruz's line about how bible verses say
01:23:17.700
people who defend the state of israel be blessed was just bonkers it clearly felt like he was
01:23:22.060
searching for a line to justify his idea yeah yeah there was there was this other exchange which i
01:23:26.360
would have covered if if i had a bit more time but basically cruz was saying that because the book
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of genesis says talks about defending the nation of israel which clearly does not mean the modern
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the modern state no uh and that's why he wants to do it it's like that's bonkers in the time of
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genesis they did not mean nation to mean anything like what we mean it to mean today nation state
01:23:50.620
didn't exist as a concept yes um come brian kulak says um uh you state a regime change to something
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worse than the current but the worst for who the iranians and the european probably all of us
01:24:05.380
a matter of perspective it's definitely better for some israel would love to see the uh amkite
01:24:11.400
tribe smashed in the land in chaos also advances the agenda of the clergy plan zionism and communism
01:24:19.800
and more migration migration to europe um yeah that is uh certainly an element um someone online
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says i've been through this before and it was a lie and countless people lost their lives why does lying
01:24:33.380
ted think we want to go through that again and a small l libertarian says tucker um um have just said
01:24:41.560
there were 400 000 people in iran uh what ted with did with it okay right so do i do any more
01:24:50.560
oh um okay um uh alex says uh i hate that the thing has gone viral is the iran population clip i don't
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think it's a good argument for tucker at all no i think it's key no i disagree with that i think he's
01:25:06.140
key if you're if you're going to have a plan you should i mean it's literally sun tzu no your enemy
01:25:10.840
i mean that you've got to start there um and there's a myriad of other moments where tucker
01:25:15.380
demolish demolishes him he also destroyed some taboos with regards to israeli influence and
01:25:20.780
american hawkishness yeah i think that is the key bit that's going to be remembered it's going to be
01:25:24.360
the apac guy versus the america first guy uh and george happ says um uh cruz was given
01:25:31.000
instructions by his apac guys to shill for this war i hope that the normies have learned something
01:25:35.700
from the previous three regime changes which only makes things worse for the population and keeps
01:25:40.380
the war machine going yeah it makes some lobbyists rich but massively drives debt in the in the host
01:25:45.760
in the home nation all right uh steven can you see if i okay no i can't so you're gonna that's right i'll
01:25:51.800
read i'll read i got this light above me i'm afraid uh chad koala koalas are pretty chad uh britain
01:25:57.180
only sent low-level criminals to australia no murderers murderers or rapists because they wanted
01:26:02.860
a functional colony uh it's astounding that britain used to carefully vet their own people's
01:26:08.860
backgrounds before exporting them elsewhere and have now committed to importing anyone who shows
01:26:14.200
up regardless of their background it's a great point yeah that is a good point it's a really good
01:26:18.160
point actually uh samson's moved it up so i can actually now oh ground which is great so we got
01:26:22.980
michael uh is it drew babies um he says the most annoying thing about the modern boat people is
01:26:29.440
that i'm old enough to remember the boat people from vietnam one of whom is a close friend those
01:26:35.200
boat people took great risk travel with families or were mostly women and children and came to
01:26:39.380
integrate into whatever country would accept them they learned the language sought jobs and in many
01:26:44.540
cases refused charity in favor of work which i recall was something that was pretty true at the time
01:26:50.100
contrast that with the modern boat people mostly men true entitled and of course of military service
01:26:55.600
age and the numbers in england receiving the equivalent of population of several countries of
01:27:00.820
my home state of new york and that per month that's very true we've got henry ashman who says i've seen
01:27:07.780
reports in recent weeks that scientists think humpback whales are trying to speak to humans and other
01:27:12.980
scientists are trying to use ai to learn to speak to whales can a deal be struck with whales to push the
01:27:18.840
boats back to france it sounds ridiculous but honestly it's more viable as an idea than anything
01:27:23.840
the tories of labor have tried lately that said it is keir starmer's government that would introduce
01:27:28.720
be involved in negotiations and i expect david lammy would give away the nation of wales as part of the
01:27:34.380
deal i mean two points on that one somebody in the live chat while we were talking about it said
01:27:40.300
well one one on megalodon i mean if we if we could bring back direwolves why can't we bring back
01:27:45.140
megalodon and just stick them in the channel and the other thing i bet if we do speak to wales
01:27:49.940
you know they're they're friends i'll take this comment with the word they're frantic to speak to
01:27:54.480
us yeah first thing i guarantee they're going to say is jeffrey epstein did not kill himself
01:27:58.040
if we do if we are able to communicate with wales it will be fantastic to finally be able to
01:28:06.400
understand diane abbott yes oh gosh too many too many vowels even think they would turn around and say
01:28:12.020
that's impossible man of kent says the one deterrent that would work for gangs is the penalty for human
01:28:16.960
trafficking is capital punishment leave the h or echo and leave treaties that force us up to take
01:28:22.940
refugees and rewrite our own laws to say that men can't claim asylum only women and children can
01:28:28.900
there is a very good argument for looking at the european to the u.n convention on refugees
01:28:34.820
i've even heard some in the labor party talk about a need to consider some change or amendment
01:28:41.660
uh but whether we would ever leave it is is something i don't even think the conservative
01:28:46.280
part of a reform would would do although personally speaking i would i think most of the agreements we've
01:28:51.600
done the past their time limit and if we do want new agreements then we renegotiate new agreements
01:28:57.380
uh was he using the crutch as a crutch or was he trying to use it as a paddle it says az desert rat
01:29:04.160
i don't know i think if it did have air and water and he could float he would have probably gone
01:29:08.960
under the water himself all the way there and someone online says if you say you fill the
01:29:13.900
channel with the old pirate ships to stop the dinghies i really we will bring up all those
01:29:19.140
dinghies i just got one minute left so i'll just rush through one uh zesty king says i'm british and
01:29:26.060
have a history degree i was never once taught about the norman conquest the napoleonic wars or the
01:29:31.580
british empire it was uh through traveling the uk and reading books after i left uni that i finally
01:29:37.540
learned that uh the history of my entire country outside of the tudors yeah yeah many such cases
01:29:44.000
uh fuzzy toaster says how can they teach english history if they don't have time uh between
01:29:50.160
uh ms bray's feminist and unco bunko from yes demi-queer proportional fat poetry
01:29:58.880
good point sorry i'm just flustered but that was really funny
01:30:03.980
and then roman observer says roman empire is best empire but you can be second best
01:30:10.440
no no no no no no the stats are clear and i've i've just seen i've just seen something we're just
01:30:15.720
we're just ending on this uh bloody hope not hate put out a new report right and you're in it
01:30:20.940
i know you've been here for like two weeks i have been trying to get into the hope not hate report
01:30:25.960
for two years for god's sakes put me in you're in put me in i and i've barely started my work
01:30:34.220
i'm only just getting beginning so anyway it's like a badge of honor now isn't it to be on hope
01:30:41.200
not hate's list yeah oh yeah you don't feel as though you know you you're truly to them and
01:30:46.960
offered them and offered them i've written my own hit piece yeah right and sent it to them and said
01:30:51.660
look all you're going to do is upload this but they won't do it that's all we've got time for
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today ladies and gentlemen if you'd like to join calvin robinson for common sense crusade it begins
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in half an hour at three and if not then we'll see you tomorrow at one o'clock friday thank you for