The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1191

00:00:00.000 good afternoon ladies and gentlemen welcome to the podcast the lotus it is for friday the 20th

00:00:12.420 of june 2025 i'm joined by ferris and some unemployed vagrant i saw him begging will tell

00:00:19.940 jokes for money and i was like you know what go on then um obviously no joined by leo curse

00:00:24.580 leo just say i just want to say really sad to hear headline is cancelled man i enjoyed your show i

00:00:29.180 thought it was good yeah thanks no it sucks i'm gonna have to get another job now so if anybody

00:00:33.040 if anybody is looking to employ someone to work three hours a week for lots and lots of money

00:00:38.020 that's that's what i'm used to and i won't take anything less uh so yeah also it's friday so that's

00:00:44.520 good news isn't it yeah friday sun's out you're all about to get absolutely crisped by the global

00:00:49.880 warming uh which i've come out in favor of at this point uh although you can't say that on youtube so

00:00:54.040 don't put this put you in anyway so the questions we're going to be answering today is will trump

00:00:58.780 nuke iran and should trump nuke instead mexico and will we end up or should we in fact uh abolish

00:01:06.040 whiteness and what happens when you do uh so before we begin we have a lads out this afternoon

00:01:11.880 which will be hosted by me where we are talking about sam raimi's spider-man 2002 uh this has been

00:01:17.980 something i've wanted to talk about for a while because there's a whole slate of films that were

00:01:22.140 produced in the sort of early 2000s though the time were considered to be shit everyone's like that

00:01:27.560 was crap but as time has gone on everyone's like oh it wasn't that crap was it yeah because films

00:01:32.400 just got worse and worse and worse and so sam raimi's spider-man is one of those ones where

00:01:36.000 it really has aged very beautifully uh and we're going to talk about it afterwards uh so without

00:01:41.660 further ado let's uh let's crack on yes so what would you guys prefer nuclear weapons or peace

00:01:47.860 if given a choice nuclear weapons please your weapons yeah i i sort of i'm kind of sick about

00:01:52.680 hearing of the middle east right yeah i'm i'm from there so i uh kind of sick of it myself

00:01:57.680 one of the many reasons i decided to piss off um anyway where are we now with regards to whether

00:02:06.040 or not there is going to be an american israeli war well before we go on could you give us a quick

00:02:10.740 summary of what's happened in the past day or two sure this is still hot this is still quite hot

00:02:16.560 what's been going on is that the iranians and the israelis have been exchanging strikes

00:02:20.480 the iranians have been escalating their threats but the number of missiles that they've been firing

00:02:26.100 has actually been declining i think yesterday night they fired one missile only but it actually hit

00:02:31.320 its target and this isn't the one that hit the hospital but this is not the one that hit the

00:02:34.460 hospital that was the night before um there is a debate over whether or not the hospital was the

00:02:39.040 target or a base nearby uh but they also in that strike hit the tel aviv stock exchange which is a

00:02:47.160 significantly more impressive target uh and this is part of a escalating economic war between the two

00:02:54.080 sides the israelis are hitting um some critical infrastructure some energy stuff and the iranians

00:03:01.760 have hit the haifa refinery uh they tried to hit the port they've hit a power plant and they hit the

00:03:09.640 stock exchange so we're seeing a smaller volume of strikes from the iranians because in the earlier

00:03:17.160 strikes they managed to absorb a lot of the israeli air defense and force the israelis to use up air

00:03:23.480 defense missiles and now they're firing fewer but more effective missiles that are hitting at least some

00:03:30.920 of their targets and israel is stock of air defense missiles that's dependent on america they have to

00:03:38.840 like get more from america they only have like you know a certain number so you know if you can

00:03:43.860 overwhelm them then they've sort of got to go cap in hand to america not just that the patriot systems

00:03:50.460 which are the ones that are produced in the largest volume are no longer used because they don't work

00:03:56.600 against the more advanced iranian missiles hypersonic ones the hypersonic ones and the thad the terminal

00:04:03.860 high altitude air defense uh system this is produced in an incredibly small quantity and then you have

00:04:11.720 some of the missiles that are fired from american ships to defend israel usually from aegis cruisers

00:04:17.060 and these are also produced in extremely tiny quantities um and i'm talking tens per year hundreds

00:04:25.240 per year whereas the iranians have a bigger volume of missiles how many do the iranians have stockpiled

00:04:31.840 roughly do we think the estimate that's going around is supposed to be three thousand right and then

00:04:38.380 there are sort of caveats um which is that the israelis are claiming that they've destroyed a

00:04:44.680 thousand of these maybe they have maybe they haven't um the number of tels transporter elector

00:04:52.160 erector launchers these are the trucks that the missiles are loaded on before they are fired

00:04:58.700 this is a limited supply and the israelis have destroyed some of those and we have some confirmed

00:05:04.640 visuals um and then there's the question of well what if china decides that it's going to use the

00:05:11.720 belt and road initiative part of which terminates in kazakhstan part of which terminates in in russia

00:05:17.500 uh both of these are on the caspian sea meaning that the iranians could be dramatically resupplied by

00:05:25.060 the chinese if china where to put its mind to it so far we've just seen a few cargo airplanes go from

00:05:32.560 china to iran sure it's nothing i'm sure it's absolutely nothing uh but we haven't seen that

00:05:38.320 kind of bulk investment in helping iran stay in the fight um and given the geography of iran it's almost

00:05:47.340 impossible to completely knock it out um and so we are at something of an impasse which is where this

00:05:56.900 meeting comes in um the israelis are meeting with senior american officials including nice mr jd vance

00:06:06.120 and rubio i believe uh and others and so what's happening very obviously is that the israelis are doing

00:06:16.380 everything that they can to convince the americans to join the war i gotta say right everything israel

00:06:22.520 does makes me way less sympathetic to their position like oh well what happened well we took

00:06:28.160 out a bunch of iranian generals and stuff can you come and help us with the war we've started

00:06:31.140 why should we the thing is the what they bombed one of our hospitals oh did they yes they bombed one of

00:06:37.700 your hospitals did that oh you know i mean what are the casualty figures on both sides like do we have

00:06:42.480 any idea so so far there are i believe 2400 israelis injured and maybe up to 40 dead right i have to

00:06:51.220 check but it's still in the low tens that are dead uh on iran's side it's it's it's higher as you can

00:06:57.900 imagine uh with some of the families of the senior officials getting killed alongside them um but it's

00:07:06.640 nothing compared to what's happening in gaza yeah so in terms of just the sort of human impact if

00:07:11.740 you're talking about bombing hospitals and attacking hospitals like come on and again this is another

00:07:16.100 thing to be fair to the israelis sorry just to be fair to the israelis uh one hezbollah media outlet

00:07:21.880 that's obviously extremely sympathetic to hamas pretty much admitted that hamas was hiding senior

00:07:28.460 officials in i think it was a shifa hospital oh yeah i've got one of the biggest so like how many

00:07:33.760 hospitals did gaza have if they're still every time i look at the front cover of the garden it's like

00:07:39.420 a hospital bombed in gaza it's like come on they they only have one hospital in suite

00:07:43.940 they are every person they they are bombing the same facility more than once right all right that's

00:07:49.700 amazing so just sort of i did say that we've bombed 34 hospitals and i'm like have they you have 34

00:07:56.300 hospitals for one city they do have 35 hospitals for a population of 2.3 million people okay and for a

00:08:02.880 population that is pretty much constantly at war i mean this isn't you know you you had the 2014 2018

00:08:09.240 19 20 21 23 and then like a big 23 kerfuffle so and a lot of these obviously hospitals are completely

00:08:18.880 reliant on foreign aid and the palestinians are in this very messed up position where without foreign aid

00:08:25.000 nothing would nobody would eat in gaza nobody would have any health care in gaza

00:08:29.020 and they've managed to co-opt some of the un institutions that are operating in gaza to sort

00:08:35.560 of work for them um or to look the other way uh when they're present and um it's it's it's a hot mess

00:08:43.980 yes uh but anyway the israelis are obviously trying to convince the americans that they should

00:08:51.060 definitely go into the war and that there aren't going to be any second order consequences

00:08:56.040 such as for example i'm sure it'll just end there i'm sure it's just in there yeah it's not like if

00:09:01.460 you bomb a country with 80 90 million people there's going to be a massive uh humanitarian crisis

00:09:06.100 huge number of migrants walking across the border and the thing is that it isn't really

00:09:12.240 guaranteed that the uh americans can solve this problem and that's why the question would you rather

00:09:23.920 have nukes or peace because one of the points of discussion is the americans have this massive

00:09:29.640 bomb called the gbu 57 it's almost 14 tons of explosives this is a big bunker buster this is the

00:09:36.700 big bunker bunker buster it's called the massive ordinance penetrator yeah don't tell trump about it

00:09:41.680 because he'll want to use it well to be fair when you see something like that you kind of want to watch

00:09:47.560 yeah right you can imagine donald trump it's like we've got this would you actually see it going

00:09:52.660 because it goes down 60 meters into the ground so would you even see so there's a few complications

00:09:56.900 there's a few complications here firstly the facility against which it's supposed to be used

00:10:02.800 is easily for for though is easily 90 meters underground and we don't know how deep the rest

00:10:09.780 of it is because like you go in and sort of it's literally in a mountain secondly the iranians have

00:10:15.340 developed a special kind of concrete that is made to absorb big explosions so this thing penetrates

00:10:22.660 60 meters you need to start building the entire middle east out of that just every house in the

00:10:27.280 middle east they'll save so much hassle in the future then when my father was building a house in

00:10:31.960 lebanon he sort of fortified it for direct artillery hits because he happened to build it right next to

00:10:39.080 where a piece of artillery was positioned but that's the kind of thing that you that was the only land

00:10:43.840 available whatever life um so anyway it isn't clear that this thing can actually blow up the

00:10:51.960 facility it's intended to blow up and so they're thinking about maybe using tactical nuclear weapons

00:10:57.060 on it hence the question nukes or peace and if you sorry sorry can we just pause on that no we're

00:11:06.060 actually at a point now where the american administration is like do we need to nuke something

00:11:10.760 yes i mean how do the russians feel about this how do the chinese feel about this how do the

00:11:15.960 pakistan feel about this how do the turks feel about this considering that they're the rising

00:11:19.980 superpower in the middle east and that they have some nuclear capabilities that they're now going

00:11:26.300 to be they have some nuclear energy desperately enriching the iranium which they're so they're

00:11:30.680 getting nuclear energy with help from the russians right and if they see iran getting nuked

00:11:35.100 they're going to conclude screw this we need to get nuclear weapons asap as will the egyptians the

00:11:41.560 saudis the algerians everybody with any financial capability to build a nuclear program will look

00:11:49.600 at this just thought being expressed and think okay it's time for us to get a nuked because that's

00:11:56.740 the only way out i'm sure the eu will just like turkey in at this point that's all the problem it's

00:12:00.720 it's it's it's it's completely it's complete lunacy yeah but um what's happening apparently

00:12:07.040 is that nice mr steve bannon visited donald trump yeah and i just want to read this quote because i i

00:12:15.400 did find it hilarious um so trump is talk after that meeting he's talking about maybe delaying his

00:12:22.280 decision for a couple of weeks as to whether or not to engage in the war uh europe because the europeans

00:12:27.980 are going to be meeting with the iranians to figure out if there is a deal to be made rather

00:12:32.420 than this war escalating but bannon a key voice in the far-right isolationist wing of trump's base

00:12:39.440 the good people yeah i'm thinking so the far-right are the ones who don't want nuclear war

00:12:48.500 yes why are you making the far-right look good if there's the supposed to be the baddies i mean

00:12:54.520 normally it's the good people who don't want a nuclear war and it's the insane villains who do

00:12:59.460 and now we're in this position where you're saying that the far-right are the ones objecting to um you

00:13:07.480 know well it's very far right not to want to kill millions of people and dispossess millions more and

00:13:13.240 upset the stability of the region you are such an extremist because i mean tactical nukes are really

00:13:18.780 different from like nuke nukes from your big nukes tactical nukes are just barely a

00:13:24.480 i mean i'm sure if we explain that to the ayatollah he'll understand yes it's just no no it's a

00:13:33.260 tactical nukes so so we're in a position now where essentially the maga base is trying to hold trump

00:13:43.600 back yeah and to make sure that the americans don't get sucked into another major middle eastern

00:13:49.180 war thank god for steve bannon man thank god for steve bannon the one guy carlson yeah uh you guys

00:13:54.660 yeah for for for for the people who are saying guys did we not just do this in iraq and afghanistan

00:14:01.500 and libya and syria and how did that actually play out man see that's the terrible thing about

00:14:06.720 iraq like if you do it and you get it wrong then you know when there's a time that is a good

00:14:11.360 it's a good idea to invade a country in the middle east and affect regime change and blow

00:14:16.840 shit up like people are going to be like no we did it before and it didn't work you know what i mean

00:14:20.900 you should only ever do it when it's a good idea is now the good idea is it was it a good idea yeah

00:14:26.080 well apparently we're at a stage of development where we can learn from past experience are we

00:14:33.320 which seems to be an improvement or at least we're trying to go there because the two options that are

00:14:38.300 being presented are do we have a nuclear deal or do we use nuclear weapons on each other

00:14:43.220 um and you can imagine exactly as you asked how the russians are going to conclude uh that they

00:14:50.560 should proceed what the what the chinese are going to do etc etc and if this happens i mean you could

00:14:56.580 see the pakistani setting up a nuclear bazaar and offering any muslim country that has a kind of a

00:15:02.360 questionable relationship with either the united states and israel and saying to them here give us a

00:15:07.360 billion dollars and we're going to give you nuclear weapons i mean this is the only logical consequence

00:15:11.080 of something like this i can't believe the pakistanis had nukes the only they're the only

00:15:15.580 muslim country with nukes as well aren't they yes are you familiar with the pakistani nuclear doctrine

00:15:20.500 yeah it's probably involves jinns well aside from the gym no that's the actual the actual way the

00:15:27.380 nukes work isn't it as aside from the jinns the pakistanis have decided that if india were to be

00:15:33.140 successful in invading their territory and threatening their major cities which are on the

00:15:37.300 border uh the pakistanis would retaliate by using tactical nuclear weapons in their own territory

00:15:43.420 right against the indian military on the assumption that india would not in fact retaliate with

00:15:49.940 strategic weapons the ones that can sort of wipe out entire cities with the indians telling the

00:15:55.040 pakistanis we absolutely will what difference does it make we've already nuked ourselves it's too late for

00:15:59.820 that well they've nuked themselves but they can be nuked again yeah it's a mad doctrine absolutely mad

00:16:05.620 but but this is what's keeping the balance of power uh functional and and and this is very much where

00:16:14.100 we are as long as they nuke the proposed mirpur airport

00:16:18.480 or burman kistanis that have the news like all right so the the the iranians are saying that they've

00:16:29.400 only used 30 percent of their military capabilities and this gentleman is is bahsan

00:16:33.760 he's a former head of the irgc most iranian looking man ever yeah he looks like a sesame street puppet

00:16:40.000 i've never briefed war risks with iran with a comedian in the room i just don't know how to proceed

00:16:49.580 about this uh normally i take this stuff seriously well it is serious but the thing is there's very little

00:16:54.460 we can do and honestly laughing is the best medicine everyone involved seems like a clown

00:16:59.740 so yes like this guy is a serious man and he's actually pretty competent um and he's a senior

00:17:08.180 enough iranian official to know but we have given that they only fired one missile yesterday we have

00:17:13.700 no way of knowing if this guy is completely making it up and israel's got complete air superiority over

00:17:20.100 iran now they're flying over iran even even taking out their drone going over tehran that picked out

00:17:26.900 a missile launcher that was driving through the driving through the city i mean it's it's crazy so they

00:17:32.260 have air dominance over the corridor of iran that really matters but then you've got to remember

00:17:38.340 the geography of iran you have in the far east of the country mashhad which is near the border

00:17:44.280 with with uh i think afghanistan and is in the middle of the mountains and that's the second

00:17:49.960 biggest iranian city and can function as a second capital and they can keep sort of leading the fight

00:17:54.520 from there you have the mountains near the persian gulf which are all full of missile bases and air

00:18:00.520 defenses not that they couldn't be taken out but then these missile bases can be used to fire at any

00:18:06.360 american base in the region right and so so far we've seen the americans seriously accelerating their

00:18:11.560 preparations for war they had previously before the israelis began bombing deployed b2s these are

00:18:18.440 strategic stealth bombers to diego garcia is this the classic sort of ufo looking you know with the

00:18:24.600 yes yes that's the one yeah not the one with the sharp lines the one with the smooth lines right right

00:18:28.920 the one that you're thinking about with the sharp lines is the f117 i believe right and that's a much

00:18:33.160 older model um so they've deployed the b2s closer to the theater they've deployed aerial refueling

00:18:39.960 aircraft uh aircraft again into the area meaning that these are the assets that you would need if

00:18:45.560 you wanted to keep the b2 in the air for 24 hours which is something that it can do there's a microwave

00:18:51.400 and a bed in the thing um and they have also removed a bunch of their ships from the persian gulf

00:19:00.840 because these ships would be extremely vulnerable to iranian anti-ship missiles so the american military

00:19:05.880 preparation is very real and it's literally steve bannon tucker carlson and the rest of the mega

00:19:12.200 crowd uh stephen crowder came out with a good bunch of questions saying okay let's say we do get involved

00:19:18.360 in the war first is there any guarantee that we will destroy the iranian nuclear capability

00:19:23.160 second is there any guarantee that the regime will change third if there's nuclear capability and

00:19:29.480 the same regime even if some of the leaders are taken out that pretty much guarantees that they will

00:19:33.880 go for a weapon doesn't it and then there are all of the other consequences what happens to this

00:19:39.560 population do they march on europe by the millions uh that i can say yes well labor are really worried

00:19:47.880 about like a wave of uh refugees from iran because it would make uh britain more white and they don't want

00:19:55.480 millions of arians turn up yeah yeah bangladeshian somalian population yes that and and and they

00:20:06.120 would not get along uh because one group is shia and the other group is sunnah and already they're

00:20:11.640 they're on the verge of fighting in the streets well yeah because one of the things that's really

00:20:14.600 struck me we were talking about this before the show but you know some some of my mates like my best

00:20:19.400 mate darius darius davies great comedian he's like second generation iranian it's like his mom's english

00:20:25.480 and his dad's iranian for some reason he talks like ali g i don't know how that works but um grew up in

00:20:30.200 london mate yeah you grew up you grew up in london like never been to iran never been there i'd like

00:20:35.160 to hear him talk you'd think he was like second in command in the revolutionary guard people don't

00:20:40.600 let go of their tribal loyalties and their absolutely their heritage and it's this whole sort of blank

00:20:45.880 slateism that's been guiding the west for decades oh if we bring all these people to the uk they'll

00:20:51.160 they'll become they'll magically become uh british and it's it's not happening if anything the second

00:20:56.280 and third generation are clinging more tightly to their even even more militant yeah they become

00:21:01.880 even more militant and and the second generation of for example pakistanis in the uk are far more

00:21:08.040 militant than their parents and the third generation seems to be continuing with that yeah yeah and it

00:21:12.280 doesn't really change and liberalism doesn't offer an answer because it doesn't offer an identity

00:21:17.560 if you have a strong identity that you could force people into assimilating into you might you might

00:21:24.600 address some of that issue if you don't then good luck and all you get is ethnic warfare

00:21:29.160 but but but staying with the with with the iranians and and the madness that we're seeing

00:21:34.200 um the israelis own assessment is that it's very far from over oh and they're briefing the media

00:21:41.320 that look the iranians can keep firing for a pretty long period of time maybe up to five months

00:21:48.920 meaning that this can be an extended crisis so trump has decided to give essentially a

00:21:55.560 two-week window for himself before deciding to join the war in part in response to the base because

00:22:02.600 on the military side everything is ready um and it seems that the base so far has been successful

00:22:08.680 in keeping the united states out of another major middle eastern mess um which is i suppose good

00:22:14.520 news yeah good omega which which is i suppose good news um the the uh the israeli assessment this is

00:22:23.320 richard camp he's very much pro-israel he's never seen an israeli war or middle eastern war that he didn't

00:22:28.440 like and he's saying that no no no no there's nothing that the iranians can do almost half of their

00:22:35.080 stockpile is consumed or destroyed and therefore this is a safe bet the conclusion of that should be

00:22:43.640 that there's no reason for the americans to join yeah instead but we you know that is not the

00:22:51.480 conclusion that is being arrived at and as far as the iranians are concerned there were stories earlier

00:22:57.240 that everybody in taheran is running away videos from within the city show that no there's they're

00:23:03.720 not all running away from within taheran uh people are going to mosque and they're doing their prayers

00:23:08.760 and what have you and arguably in a time of war more people will show up to religious services that

00:23:14.520 then than they otherwise would and the public's reaction is actually even though we may or may not

00:23:20.840 like the regime we don't want to change based on american military intervention are you sure they're

00:23:26.600 not like oh well netanyahu doesn't like them let's get rid of them apparently that's not how the iranians

00:23:32.760 actually think apparently this is a nation with a 5 000 year history and a very strong uh nationalist

00:23:40.200 sentiment and they don't think that foreigners should be telling them who to govern them which is

00:23:46.120 absolutely shocking uh somebody should inform sadi khan um but this is where we are right now

00:23:53.080 and the israelis are apparently running low on missile interceptors so the picture isn't looking great

00:24:01.240 which brings us back to the first point that we're making which is that the israelis are doing

00:24:07.960 everything that they can to drag the americans into the war because they've started something that

00:24:13.560 they can't finish so i i i heard the iranians saber rattling at the americans saying oh we're

00:24:18.360 going to strike american bases yes that strikes me as the the stupidest thing there's they're saying

00:24:24.520 if the americans joined the war ah right okay so it's not we're going to start striking american

00:24:29.160 bases that would be really the the iranians have proven time and again that they're extremely

00:24:34.920 deterrible so after hezbollah was destroyed hezbollah was said to be by the foreign minister of iran at the

00:24:41.480 time the crown jewel of the islamic revolution it got destroyed and these the iranians did not react

00:24:48.520 because they were deterred and they are deterrable um and despite all the rhetoric would they be so

00:24:55.400 deterrable yes because if if i were to take the shia theological position which as a christian i object

00:25:01.640 to everything in islam but i have to take it seriously um there is nothing in shia theology that

00:25:07.800 would suggest that the iranians would be justified in blowing up israel and also everybody in iran but

00:25:15.800 because they know that israel can retaliate with a second strike so if they nuked israel everything

00:25:22.280 in iran would get nuked iran's whole thing is like wiping out the jews is they're like an academic in

00:25:28.040 london it it it's it's wiping out israel as a state not the jewish people so they'll wipe out israel

00:25:36.440 as a state but they'll magically just like an academic in london

00:25:43.160 these things sound very obscurantist but they do matter because the iranians have a jewish population

00:25:51.640 and they have jewish representatives in parliament but islam doesn't view jewish control of the holy

00:25:59.160 land as in any way legitimate and you know in the same way that breaking a government apart

00:26:05.640 is different from murdering all of the people who are governed by that government

00:26:10.360 these are two separate things this is the iranian position i have to state these things fairly

00:26:15.800 because that's the only way i can do honest analysis um so that's what it is yes they want

00:26:21.320 to destroy the state of israel no they don't want to murder all the jews yes there are things in islam

00:26:26.440 about jews that are absolutely disturbing so these three things are all true that sort of stuff happens

00:26:31.960 at the end times not now precisely precisely and is this whole because there's a lot of support

00:26:37.800 amongst american politicians for israel and i know some of it is because you know you've got

00:26:43.160 a pack and there's like a lot of money changing hands it's like qatar funding all the academics

00:26:47.720 in london but um you know like randy fine a congressman said uh there's a reason the first

00:26:52.600 time i shook netanyahu's hand i did not wash it until i could touch the heads of my children

00:26:57.000 i mean this netanyahu could like sell soap made from his bath water and american politicians would be

00:27:02.760 buying it by the ton yes no no the the the the the the americans who are uh constantly pro israel no

00:27:12.040 matter what as opposed to yes we believe that the israeli state is an ally and is important for us

00:27:18.120 in the middle east is that a christian sort of an evangelical christian thing because they believe

00:27:22.520 that there are some protestant sects that have completely lost the plot when it comes to

00:27:29.400 understanding what biblical israel actually means and the fact that biblical israel is today the church

00:27:36.920 not the modern nation state established in 1948 but they got the same name you see how ted cruz got

00:27:43.240 confused well everybody called ted is the same um there's also an economic uh reason for israel to

00:27:49.880 exist because it's you know it's a western country and it's developed because you know they they don't

00:27:54.920 have a sort of culture of um being medieval and running about just hanging off the back of a tow to

00:28:01.320 hilux firing an ak-47 in the air they've built a functioning western modern state with a fantastic

00:28:08.040 economy yes then all the other gulf states sort of you know the the money takes over as the as the

00:28:13.880 as the guide and you see saudi arabia and you know all these all these countries that you'd think would

00:28:18.360 be opposed and certainly you know decades ago where we're dedicated we're funding groups that were

00:28:23.080 dedicated to to wiping out israel they're allowing israel to use its airspace they're letting you know stuff

00:28:28.120 be launched from their from their land it's it's changed i think money is you know if israel didn't

00:28:33.640 exist you'd just have another bit of sand with people firing ak-47s in there it wouldn't be you

00:28:38.520 know look lebanon and syria were developed by the standards of the time in pre-world war times yeah and

00:28:46.120 then what just what destroyed lebanon like the hundreds of thousands of palestinians going in there uh

00:28:53.240 islam you know tipping the balance and becoming a majority hundred percent hundred percent hundred

00:28:57.800 percent what i'm saying is that this that there is a lot more nuance to this and we have one

00:29:04.760 minute left on that segment oh yeah yeah yeah so uh so in in summary we should bomb it in summary let's

00:29:11.880 not in summary easier though than like working out all the nuance and stuff

00:29:17.160 there are second order consequences is it easier than thinking yeah it's easier there are second

00:29:24.360 i'm glad it's steve bannon in the white house talking to trump and not you yeah that's what i'm

00:29:29.000 saying thank god i respect steve bannon i respect anybody who like doesn't wash his clothes to save

00:29:35.080 time so he's got more time for thinking he's got more time for angry rants about yeah foreigners um

00:29:41.000 uh ec says i believe the solution may be to offer iran thorium salt reactors if they refuse that offer it

00:29:46.680 means they really do want a nuclear weapon so the thing is it's like like we you couldn't be like

00:29:53.000 oh well see you really do want the nuclear weapon i mean i'm pretty sure they do want the nuclear

00:29:56.760 weapon there's no you want the nuclear option yeah exactly use the nuclear option to extract concessions

00:30:01.800 yeah they want the nuclear option from a strategic perspective why would you not it's crazy to not

00:30:08.200 uh logan says my money is this is india pakistan too a lot of smoke but this will blow over

00:30:12.200 i mean i don't know man like i i hope so i hope yeah yeah me too but i've like iran has never

00:30:17.000 actually done this before right because iran was always like oh i'm gonna rattle my sabers i'm gonna

00:30:21.320 fire a few missiles it'll kill one palestinian guy and now it's like no okay hospitals yeah and also

00:30:26.760 israel taking so much of the so much of the iranian top brass you can sort of see who the mossad spies

00:30:31.960 are in iran because they're the ones who haven't been taken out yeah the only ones left um yeah so i don't

00:30:37.080 know this feels a lot more serious to me yeah um doomham says uh teddy was throwing around the

00:30:41.480 word isolationist too when he was talking to tucker carlson the word they should be using is

00:30:45.240 non-interventionist absolute cowardice um yeah sigil says uh so leo what's racist today according to

00:30:51.000 apac lobbyist jay sullivan on twitter arizona iced tea being privately owned and not accepting investment

00:30:56.120 is racist it's anti-semitic okay yeah um man that's you know the what's that uh the adl the

00:31:05.160 anti-defamation yeah yeah it's like you know man i gotta say like organizations like that that go

00:31:09.560 around you know everything's anti-semitic they do more they cause more like ill feeling towards their

00:31:15.800 cause than anyone else i've never seen an activist group like that that actually makes people feel more

00:31:21.560 you know alienated hostile yeah absolutely absolutely they're pure poison yeah and then

00:31:27.560 and then when there is genuine anti-semitism like all the people who'd held them which is essentially

00:31:32.520 the you know the the normal people you know the um the uh right-leaning white people uh they've

00:31:39.880 alienated them by by saying any slight thing that they do is is uh anti-semitic and then you've got

00:31:44.680 you know these uh you know like the pro-palestinian protests and all the anti-semitism that's already

00:31:49.640 the the left is still like oh no we're not anti-semitic we just really hate you bombing

00:31:53.080 gaza it's okay yeah well you've lost all of those people haven't you yeah so it's like the the the sort

00:31:57.960 of the israel lobby is basically on its own at this point yeah yeah yeah pretty much yeah the the

00:32:03.320 lever the level of unpopularity for israel in the west is unprecedented yeah it's crazy among westerners

00:32:08.360 as opposed to among immigrants and within a couple of generations you know with the demographic changes

00:32:12.120 that are happening and especially in europe i mean we're going to see we're going to see um

00:32:16.680 britain and europe uh funding and arming iran instead of israel probably yeah uh the engaged

00:32:23.560 view says uh any smooth brain who thinks sustained bombing will make a population turn against their

00:32:27.720 government has learned nothing from dresden and tokyo uh yeah i i mean the thing is all like you saw

00:32:33.480 this with canada and trump being like oh i'm going to annex canada guys and it's like oh that was

00:32:38.200 fucking stupid wasn't it yes you know like and all of a sudden the canadian libs become ultra

00:32:43.080 nationalists and they're goose stepping down the road with like little uh maple leaf arm bands on

00:32:48.600 and stuff and it's like like that was just silly yes it's absolutely silly and it's about a lack of

00:32:53.400 recognition for the dignity of the sovereignty of the country yes and when you start actually bombing

00:32:58.120 them and taking out the leadership it's like okay it backfires but you know it completely backfires

00:33:02.600 nobody likes to be humiliated by a foreign power no exactly that's that's the long and short exactly

00:33:06.680 uh and uh by the neocon logic of bombing around will make regime change then theoretically the

00:33:11.320 luftwaffe could have bombed us into speaking german uh exactly it wasn't going to happen and people

00:33:15.960 don't really respond that way and speaking of which let's go on to mexico because trump really

00:33:20.520 should start bombing mexico to force them into compliance uh is trump's opinion and the mexican

00:33:27.160 government has a different opinion so i thought that what we would do is talk about the cartels right

00:33:31.640 because the cartels is actually crazy just how much of essentially a failed state mexico is and the fact that

00:33:40.520 the the the mexican government will accept no proper assistance from the united states on this

00:33:47.000 is just baffling to me uh right so we'll talk about just some of the cartels right as you can see from

00:33:51.720 the financial times and just last year this was uh mex uh the u.s drug enforcement admin administration

00:33:58.920 basically calls uh mexico's top cartels just transnational criminal organizations because all

00:34:04.600 they do is traffic arms money laundering they smuggle migrants they do sex trafficking bribery drugs

00:34:10.040 everything you can imagine right they are i mean like if you were to just take all the worst things

00:34:15.000 that are done by criminal organizations and be like right okay we'll just give them about a third of

00:34:20.200 mexico to do that in yes and then just have uh porous borders going north and south then you you just get

00:34:27.640 what is happening in mexico at the moment and it's kind of crazy i will go down to a map on here

00:34:31.880 so you've got uh you've got nine major cartels but there are three really big boys uh that operate

00:34:39.000 and the mexican government just can't get a handle on them because they're way too powerful so according

00:34:44.600 to this from last year that about a third of the country according to the u.s military is controlled

00:34:50.280 by these cartels as in sovereignly controlled yes like the mexican government does not have the

00:34:55.960 opportunity to to do things there and as uh one former state deputy uh from the northwest northwestern

00:35:03.000 state of sinaloa says uh there's been an exponential deterioration and mexico is becoming a failed state

00:35:09.800 and so the financial times say as the cartels economic power has grown so is their international

00:35:13.640 reach mexico's two top cartels now run a network of illegal activities stretching across south america that

00:35:19.480 is challenging governments and alarming citizens battles between local affiliates of the cgn cjng and the

00:35:25.320 cnola cartel have previously turned peaceful ecuador into one of the world's most violent countries

00:35:29.960 and it's it's it's almost it's almost like it's a video game right where you've got like i'm gonna

00:35:34.520 you know you've got an open world video game it's like yeah i'm gonna go and serve the king and get

00:35:37.480 this or i'm gonna become a bandit leader and i'm gonna make a you know fortune much and and this is

00:35:42.600 genuinely what's happened except in mexico the bandits are winning right and so obviously they're

00:35:47.240 trafficking you know drugs fentanyl yeah billions and billions of dollars worth of firearms drugs and

00:35:53.560 humans and anything else bad that you can imagine right i think it's 150 billion dollars it is wow

00:35:58.440 unbelievable it is a really significant portion of the mexican economy probably slightly below

00:36:03.640 remittances from the united states that's no remittances are 30 billion no no they're not

00:36:08.680 the 60 billion i looked it up oh it's actually second it's actually just below anyway so the point

00:36:15.480 being you've got uh various um high-level organizations like the council on foreign relations

00:36:20.760 who are like look guys i think we might actually have a problem with mexico right like we can we can

00:36:25.160 sit there and talk about israel and iran but there's there's a real issue right on the border right

00:36:31.240 how many people do you think are killed in mexico by the cartels every year it's gotta be like tens of

00:36:35.960 thousands 30 000 a year 30 000 that's 82 people a day murdered in mexico by cartels yeah and that's that's

00:36:45.240 just the average obviously some years are worse than others uh and this is and that's just the murders

00:36:49.720 there are obviously kidnappings and you know various sort of other you know extortions and all

00:36:53.720 this sort of stuff may i interrupt for a moment yeah the worst actually is disappearances yes because

00:36:59.160 they're not counted as murders i don't know if you're going to touch on this and the relationship

00:37:03.960 between claudia shinebound and and the cartels uh well we can do later so yeah because mexico just got

00:37:09.560 like last year it got this progressive female jewish you know all the like they just into ardern of latin

00:37:16.440 america imagine 30 000 people being murdered by like rampant like sovereign cartels you're like

00:37:22.520 you know i'm gonna vote left yeah i'm gonna vote left you know we don't have what are you can need

00:37:27.960 we've got too much law and order around here guys sorry god no i said all right okay but it just boggles

00:37:35.080 my mind anyway so the mexican government in 2006 officially declared war on these and it's gone

00:37:41.240 badly for the mexican government so brilliant mexico has only got about 270 000 uh soldiers

00:37:48.520 under arms uh the cartels are about 150 000 so i mean that's really bad yes really bad but cartels

00:37:57.320 probably have more staff like on the front line instead of in hr and diversity departments and

00:38:02.840 things like that that's probably true yeah i bet they have very few people staffing the hr departments

00:38:07.640 um but anyway so this is this has been going on for 20 years and uh the previous president andreas

00:38:13.240 manuel lopez obridor announced the creation of a new national guard in 2019 uh but the tactics uh as

00:38:21.000 the council of foreign relations tell us uh failed to curb the violence uh the homicide rates dropped

00:38:25.800 marginally but it's still well over 30 000 and mexico's 2024 general election was the most violent in

00:38:32.040 decades uh attacks on journalists have continued at record highs one one journalist is murdered a week in

00:38:37.240 mexico um which i'm not going to make a joke about uh and of course any anti-corruption reforms were

00:38:43.400 floundered and so if you look at the 2024 mexican election it's kind of mad that 60 politicians were

00:38:49.800 assassinated during the campaign jeez 60 like this they've got a list right yes they've got a list

00:38:57.080 and it just goes on this is just in one election campaign this is over a decade 2024 right

00:39:02.600 right let's just just just so basically anybody who challenges the local cartel yeah gets killed

00:39:09.880 yeah anyone and if you are on the payroll of another cartel you'll get killed for that

00:39:17.080 so it's it's it's not some of them are people who wanted to stand up to the cartel some of them were

00:39:22.440 on the payroll of the wrong cartel and it's it's just mad how they're just drive-by shootings killed

00:39:27.320 while getting out of his vehicle killed before giving his last campaign speech one of six people shot in a

00:39:31.800 clash between armed civilians ah yes armed civilians uh you know it's just four dismembered bodies

00:39:38.120 oh my god is like so who would be a politician if you're going to get tortured if your family's

00:39:43.720 going to get tortured let's go miz's son was also killed this is i mean who would who would be a

00:39:48.200 politician well that's the question because there are towns in northern mexico that just don't have

00:39:52.360 mayors or police chiefs right like this they just don't have them yeah because you don't live long

00:39:57.400 enough to survive to see the the actual inauguration of yourself into the position let alone anything

00:40:03.240 else yeah so like it genuinely is absolutely mental that just south of the us border is some kind of

00:40:10.520 like i don't know it's kind of like a terrorist failed state that's a description you're looking

00:40:15.000 for but it's like it but it's more than that because it's like it's it's more than like a civil war

00:40:20.120 right yes like the mexican cartels don't want to knock off the mexican government because the mexican

00:40:24.760 government is too weak to do anything because if they do that then international intervention is

00:40:28.600 absolutely justified right and so at the moment the only thing preventing international intervention

00:40:32.920 is the mexican government it's just like okay but when i went to mexico it seemed like functional

00:40:39.880 obviously like i went to touristy bits i went to isla de mujer because the cartels aren't stupid

00:40:46.280 went down to coba yeah and everywhere there was like but there was the signs of a functioning state

00:40:51.080 everywhere like worked and everywhere like uh you know people had jobs and yeah because

00:40:56.600 the cartels aren't stupid right they're not just going to start like terrorizing tourist areas and

00:41:00.680 stuff like this what they're going to make sure is that the the the threads the network that they're

00:41:05.880 working in it that's all that's all fine right and so you don't go to those places yeah you know

00:41:10.040 you don't get to see like random bodies chopped up in the desert or something and you know the the

00:41:14.600 drug mules trafficking all these drugs and all the guns and stuff like that you go to the nice

00:41:18.040 little touristy place and well you know it's it looks fine to me of course it does but 30 000

00:41:23.080 people a year are being murdered over this and loads of them are politicians anyway so the the

00:41:28.040 question is i mean how many people do they have and estimates vary uh one estimate is 175 000 now

00:41:35.240 that's not all soldiers um but there are going to be a lot of i guess we call them soldiers yeah it seems

00:41:40.600 like a fair description of them because they are actually armed to the teeth yes uh they have

00:41:46.760 again just tracing the guns somewhere between 200 to 600 000 guns are brought into mexico to be used

00:41:55.400 by the cartels lots of them do stem from the united states uh that are trafficked across the border

00:42:00.840 something like 253 000 a year uh trafficked across the border and so the the mexican cartels look like

00:42:08.360 just paramilitaries i mean just look at look at these dudes yeah like no wonder the mexican government

00:42:14.600 can't get a bloody handle on them it's it's like just like rogue armies yes just running around mexico

00:42:22.360 completely fueled by cocaine money and fentanyl money and killing anyone who gets in their way

00:42:28.360 with no one to actually stop them you've got to remember that the fighters themselves the cartels

00:42:34.120 themselves are all drugged up to the hill oh yeah they're fighting so they're all they're not taking

00:42:39.240 drug tests exactly no they're they're all messed up well while they're fighting yeah meaning that

00:42:44.360 they're sort of you know fearless super soldiers attacking the the the the military and doing these

00:42:51.240 insane horrific things they've got they've got sniper rifles like a body armor they've got rpgs

00:42:56.280 tank weapons i was going to say they they've got anti-tank weapons recently they they actually shot down

00:43:01.160 a mexican military helicopter which is the first time they've actually taken out a proper piece of

00:43:05.640 military armament and so that's going to be obviously something like oh right we can actually

00:43:10.360 just start winning battles against the mexican military and the mexican military has always been

00:43:13.880 terrible anyway so it's like okay great why don't they just do what bukele did because they don't

00:43:19.800 have the power to right they're not strong they don't have the political will they are too corrupt

00:43:25.720 and nobody in leadership has enough authority in part because of the way that it's a federal structure

00:43:30.920 and anyone who would get to that point gets killed long before they get there so how come this

00:43:35.240 shine bomb like got into power and well let me tell you yes funny story yeah uh so she was mayor of

00:43:43.320 mexico city before that and she was an ally of amlo who i think you had a piece about how he advocated

00:43:49.000 for uh uh hugs not bullets so he's the previous leader or previous president he did he did sorry i

00:43:55.480 forgot to mention that yeah he was essentially a pacifist right uh who was like maybe like you remember

00:44:00.440 david cameron's hug hoodie yeah well that's basically he was campaigning that's why you've

00:44:03.800 got to bomb iran to be charitable to him to be charitable to him it was conceivable that he thought

00:44:12.840 that bringing the cartels into the legal economy would stop them being in the illegal economy try to

00:44:19.960 make everything that's true yeah technically definitely true it's conceivable but it was not

00:44:25.640 going to happen so he effectively decriminalized the drug trade he decriminalized the cartels right

00:44:31.160 and decided not to fight them right and then this lady was mayor of mexico city and his anointed

00:44:35.960 successor and she had a problem because the murder rate in mexico city was too high she managed to bring

00:44:42.680 the murder rate down how did she do that the disappearances rate went through the roof

00:44:46.600 the cartels decided to do her a solid and to disappear the bodies of the people that they were

00:44:53.800 murdering this is this is how vicious these people running mexico are this is how evil they are but her

00:44:59.560 image heard like public images all like you know oh we're gonna be so woke i wouldn't buy a journalist

00:45:05.880 in a slave market for two dollars to free him yeah that's because that's what the media is and we're not

00:45:12.040 even going into detail about like the tortures and the revenge killings and stuff like that it's like

00:45:17.480 it's genuinely like you know when when became he's like look these are the worst people on earth and

00:45:21.480 i'm going to put them in jail well they're the same people basically he's he's too kind for putting

00:45:25.800 them in jail oh i agree half of them should easily be executed i agree totally um so these are the

00:45:31.560 people who are effectively running the country right on america's doorstep yeah and apparently the americans

00:45:39.800 would have bombed iran yeah well that's not all that hang on a second right so and we've bombed

00:45:44.200 both well that's that's basically just egalitarianism at its best let's bomb everyone trump is like

00:45:50.360 we've got enough bombs for everyone to be honest uh trump did suggest this back in 2019 right uh but

00:45:56.280 amlo was like no how dare you sir suggest you come and help us with this terrible cartel problem

00:46:02.280 presumably he had a gun at his back or something uh but no they they rejected it i mean uh trump was like

00:46:07.080 look we can just send special forces in because unlike mexico america's army is actually capable

00:46:11.240 of winning wars winning battles uh and uh amlo said cooperation yes intervention no and it's like look

00:46:19.160 man right anything that is done with the mexican state is going to be an intervention because you're

00:46:23.480 not really capable of projecting power across your own territory yes or you know i mean like they can't

00:46:27.960 control mexico city no mexico's navy has never won a battle it's never won a naval engagement like their

00:46:33.960 army if you look at like the the military history of mexico it is catastrophically bad they lost

00:46:39.240 california they lost texas they lost and they they lost wars and they started with the united states

00:46:44.440 like they they are they they've just got a long cavalcade of failure uh and because it's always been

00:46:50.200 essentially it's an ex-spanish imperial state right so the spanish are crap what we've always wondered

00:46:56.040 about like oh come on latin america i'm not coming up they're terrible how come latin america hasn't seen i mean

00:47:01.320 argentina used to i guess but it hasn't seen the same sort of level of success as

00:47:05.800 americans spanish institutions right that's why uh it's a long conversation i won't get into but uh

00:47:10.840 the the point is mexico can't do anything about it this itself right and so trump in 2019 was like

00:47:17.320 look we can just designate these drug guns as terrorist groups then go in to bomb them

00:47:20.840 and just you know get our special forces come in clear them out just shoot them all

00:47:24.600 and then mexico can actually have sovereignty of its own territory uh and they said no how dare

00:47:30.600 you sir suggest that we're not capable of doing this yes and so five years later trump's still like

00:47:35.240 hang on a second you haven't dealt with this you know five years later is 150 000 dead people

00:47:41.080 in fact it's probably more than that but like the point being trump's like look we can still do this

00:47:45.960 and so you know last year um do you want to do it and so then shine bomb comes in she's like no

00:47:52.120 no i don't want help and it's like what is wrong with you right she this is a literal quote from

00:47:57.720 shine bomb i told him no president trump our territory is inviolable our sovereignty is inviolable

00:48:03.960 no it's not have you told the gangs this have you tried explaining this to the gangs

00:48:09.240 right she says while the two countries can collaborate we will never accept the presence

00:48:13.320 of the us army in our territory well okay have a second can we not just on the map say look the

00:48:17.880 territory occupied by the gangs is not your territory because then it's not such a problem

00:48:22.120 right that's most of mexico sorry yeah that's that's true that means that mexico doesn't really

00:48:29.320 exist you're sovereign over the presidential palace possibly we assume yes you but the this is the

00:48:36.200 point right it's all about front it's all about face no i would rather 30 000 people a year die

00:48:43.240 than have the american army come in and clear out these cartels because that makes me look weak and

00:48:47.320 embarrassed it's like but you are weak and embarrassed yes and your your pride is getting

00:48:51.880 tens of and it's not just hers it's every mexican bloody administration is getting tens of thousands

00:48:56.840 of people killed and allowing the worst outgrowth of vice to enrich itself and essentially just take

00:49:05.240 over the country so it's crazy how this kind of like old world style pride is being actually

00:49:12.760 responsible for the ruination of a major country and is like the majority of the money for the

00:49:18.280 cartels coming from the sale of cocaine in america is that or it's not just cocaine meth all sorts of

00:49:24.120 means um people trafficking all of the worst things you can imagine being done yeah yeah and yeah they're

00:49:30.360 getting unbelievably rich off it can't they do something to stop the sale like have you intercepted some

00:49:37.560 uh shipments of cocaine and put like um uh drugs in them that change your gender nobody's going to

00:49:45.720 want to do he's like a few lines and i don't know it might be popular in california yeah what if it

00:49:51.800 stops what if it blocks put something that blocks gender transition drugs what if you're putting

00:49:55.880 testosterone in it yeah yeah yeah put testosterone in it make it more manly yeah make people manly and

00:50:02.520 it'll give them lots of energy you'll have the super race for the future i mean all they did is just

00:50:07.320 make the drugs legal so you know right that doesn't solve the problem or decriminalizing drugs so

00:50:13.000 people aren't buying them off the cartels although obviously the cartels would then just blow up

00:50:18.280 everybody who tries to sort of not take their they did try that it just didn't work um uh so yeah anyway

00:50:23.480 the point being is that trump uh recently uh was like look we can still help you um because i mean

00:50:30.600 trump's completely right i love the way that trump speaks right he's like uh the the cartels are horrible

00:50:35.800 people they've been killing people left and right and they've been they've made a fortune on selling

00:50:39.000 drugs and destroying our people uh the president of mexico is a lovely woman but she's so afraid of

00:50:43.240 the cartels she can't even think straight true there is no debating that yeah there's absolutely

00:50:48.920 trump is so on the money and the the situation in mexico is so bad that honestly i'm at the point

00:50:55.320 now where it's like look trump if you you clearly you know he's in his last time he wants to be a bit

00:50:59.080 of an imperial president right so yeah i'm gonna annex canada it's like well okay you could actually do

00:51:03.560 some good on your own southern border by just you know sending an annex in canada would be good

00:51:08.920 oh god annexing canada another democrat state if he just walked in instead of like you know being like

00:51:15.560 if he just said like hey alberta do you want to do you want to join does anybody want to join america

00:51:20.520 we'll allow you to to join as a you know create some sort of you know eu style you know do it softly

00:51:26.040 like it like china's doing with the east of russia it's just opening up economic avenues and you know

00:51:31.320 then suddenly every all the menus are in mandarin and stuff and before you know oh what do you know

00:51:36.520 they've got manchuria back and they didn't have to fire a gun the point being though if trump actually

00:51:41.160 wanted to do something useful uh in another country this would be it i think yes and it'd be good for

00:51:45.960 america as well yes like i mean destroying the cartels how many people a year die fentanyl be good for

00:51:50.600 humanity man absolutely killing gangsters is good yes stop anyway um so you take fentanyl and stuff like

00:51:57.640 that it's just so it's such grim like drugs are so like just grim and a waste of time you know what

00:52:02.600 i mean yeah yeah um sizzle stone says all of this really puts into focus what shineborn meant when

00:52:07.400 she said we will mobilize if trump taxes remittances yeah i i did enjoy that threat it's like you're

00:52:12.200 going to mobilize what you're going to mobilize nothing you have nothing you're not going to do anything

00:52:18.600 and he says my government uses my tax money to buy guns they ban me from money and give those guns to cartels

00:52:23.560 yeah this is this is actually true obama passed a bunch of guns to the cartels it was supposed to

00:52:29.160 be an operation to trace the guns oh yeah identify the cartels yeah and then they lost track of the

00:52:34.760 guns they were tracing so they just ended up at one draw just ended up giving them a bunch of

00:52:40.120 guns amazing just sending the marines anyway let's let's move on so yeah so we're going to look at now

00:52:49.720 should we abolish whiteness it's a very fashionable idea that's taken hold in our institutions with

00:52:56.200 top universities academics newspapers politicians even the church of england the welsh government

00:53:03.240 yeah the welsh government which was at one point all actually said at one point all the heads all

00:53:09.240 the leaders in the uk like um humza yusuf whatever the welsh government guy was called uh sadiq khan oh

00:53:16.440 yeah um uh what's his name leo varadkar yeah yeah leo varadkar and um uh rishi rishi as well everyone

00:53:26.680 was was non-white we'd sort of abolished whiteness it was seen as a golden accident and um yeah what

00:53:33.320 a total coincidence yeah so this you know this idea and these ideas they start off in universities and

00:53:37.800 then spread uh but you know are they right is abolishing whiteness uh a good idea is racial genocide

00:53:44.920 a good idea now um luckily we know we're going to look at some places in a moment where like history

00:53:50.440 and say no it's not this has been abolished in haiti liberia and zimbabwe they've all

00:53:56.440 uh tried this experiment of abolishing whiteness so we'll find out if it delivered some sort of

00:54:01.000 frictionless utopia uh or if in fact the diversity trainers and academics are wrong

00:54:07.960 but yeah you can see some of these some of these ideas so cambridge university

00:54:11.560 one of our grandest institutions um founded in like 1380 or something yeah literally founded before

00:54:18.920 most of these people arrived in like their foreign lands sorry go on well this is dr priyam vada

00:54:24.840 gopal an indian born academic at cambridge university who tweeted white lives don't matter

00:54:30.520 as white lives and she also tweeted abolish whiteness which is uh which is nice and obviously

00:54:36.840 she herself is the product of immense privilege she's the privately educated daughter of a diplomat

00:54:42.040 and a member of the elite indian brahmin cast uh she also has the privilege of being comfortable

00:54:47.240 um with outdoor toilets uh so if a white person tweeted this about a non-white race they'd go

00:54:54.760 straight to jail like straight to jail if somebody don't pass go man collect 200 you wouldn't need

00:54:59.880 to wait for the hope not hate pdf like straight to jail you know what i mean she wasn't jailed she

00:55:06.360 was promoted by cambridge university and all the academics so i i can kind of explain what she's

00:55:11.640 saying with it right when she says abolish uh what was the exact quote uh so she said uh white

00:55:17.880 lives don't matter matter as white lives and in a separate tweet she said abolish whiteness yeah so

00:55:22.760 the white lives don't matter as white lives what she's saying that is the category of white is for her

00:55:29.080 a socially constructed cultural category right now i i appreciate that this is a kind of bait and switch

00:55:36.040 because obviously this is i wanna i'm what i'm saying is in the construct of whiteness and whiteness being

00:55:40.360 white protestant anglo-saxon culture that respects you know telling the truth following the rules

00:55:47.080 that's showing individual rights individual rights property and not not being someone who was raised

00:55:52.840 in a mud hut sort of thing is basically what she's saying and so that she would say look so what i'm

00:55:57.800 saying is white people need to live like indians right that's that's when white people are valuable to

00:56:04.680 her so she she would say i'm not calling for the genocide of white people what i'm saying is the

00:56:09.800 abolition of their culture is what's important so they have to live like an african for them to

00:56:13.560 become a valuable person quite like white culture well yeah exactly sorry if that's a hate crime

00:56:18.840 weirdly i like the culture i was raised in yeah and i'm comfortable with it and i think it's the

00:56:22.680 way that we should do these things you know but that's her get out clause and that's why she would

00:56:27.080 have been promoted enough it's interesting that academics say that uh that you know race is a social

00:56:33.960 construct it was invented because you know prior to 1700 uh you know people didn't white people didn't

00:56:39.080 call themselves white people they just called themselves people but that just shows that there

00:56:43.000 wasn't mass immigration prior to like you know 1950 well you'll never use the exception that proves the

00:56:48.760 case in in in exact in the exact meaning of uh yeah if you never see a person who's not white you don't

00:56:55.320 think of yourself as a white person because there'd be no reason it's like you know we've all got two

00:56:59.240 legs so we don't walk around describing ourselves as two-legged people because we just take it but if we

00:57:04.120 encountered a race of four-legged people suddenly it would become an important distinction yeah then

00:57:08.440 we'd be like two-legged people and that would be that would be a social invention of two-legged people

00:57:13.560 um anyone also bahar mustafa who's the goldsmith student diversity officer she tweeted urging

00:57:21.960 uh people to kill all white men um so and then the the media defended it obviously uh said it's just

00:57:28.760 funny haha you know what i mean and um no no please explain yeah yeah bahar mustafa is now she's

00:57:37.400 something to do with the cystic fibrosis trust so make sure to increase your donations she does the

00:57:42.920 you know whatever it is some made-up job basically cancel man cancel if you if you give money to a

00:57:47.000 charity cancel that donation straight away all it's going to is going to people who hate your country and

00:57:55.080 want to turn everybody uh gay and abolish whiteness and not not even gay they probably see turning gay

00:58:01.720 as some sort of oppressive thing now because gay isn't you know isn't enough though like you've got

00:58:05.640 to be some these are privileged versus trans people yeah so you've got to be some sort of gender queer

00:58:09.960 gays are the white people of the lgbtq that's how though that's how they say it they genuinely say

00:58:17.640 that so cancel your cancel your charity subscriptions and donate instead get a lotus eaters don't

00:58:24.840 exactly or leo kearse has got a patreon he gives amazing content on there and none of the money

00:58:31.000 go i don't have a diversity department all the money goes to me being a dick anyway um yeah donate

00:58:37.640 to us and we'll uphold whiteness we can expect ridiculous ideas like you know abolish whiteness

00:58:41.880 to flourish in places like goldsmiths university cambridge university but it's also happening in

00:58:47.480 the church of england uh which you might think you might think the church of england would be nice to

00:58:51.720 white people given that you know they're the only people limp enough to actually go to the church

00:58:55.720 of england i knew nothing about the church of england yeah i might think that so this is a church

00:59:01.240 archdeacon uh the venerable dr miranda thrill fall holmes uh archdeacon of liverpool who wrote on twitter

00:59:08.920 it was very good very interesting and made me realize she's talking about a training an anti-whiteness

00:59:13.320 training abolishing whiteness training she went on it made me realize whiteness is to race as

00:59:18.360 patriarchy is to gender so yes i mean it's good yeah she's right and i'm for it

00:59:28.200 i'm one of the pro patriarchy at this

00:59:31.880 i mean to be honest at the moment like the way the patriarchy the way i see the patriarchy is you know

00:59:36.360 people like oh the patriarchy it's set up by men to give men power it's like no it was set up by

00:59:42.040 women to ensure men behaved in a way that you know supported families and supported women um

00:59:47.960 another way another way of looking at patriarchy is rule of dads yeah yeah no i'm a dad i agree

00:59:52.600 about rule of dads right yeah patriarchy rule of dads we're in toast in favor of it yeah yeah if there's

00:59:57.240 one one class of people who's looking out for everyone else it's the dad the dads so yeah one

01:00:02.040 one adult chrissy no 100 we need a dadocracy i am entirely in favor of it i i think we should

01:00:08.520 sort of try to adopt the data crats as opposed to sort of you know getting called alt right or

01:00:13.000 things like that apparently i'm alt right i didn't know that i only found out yesterday i i i said the

01:00:17.800 other day this is basically just the dad right yeah but it's like i just see it like all different

01:00:22.440 layers of like you know zoomers who have just had their first dad crats is is is the way to go

01:00:26.840 dad crats is the way to go has a nice ring to it so yeah so she said and this is about the training

01:00:30.920 and she went on so yes let's have anti-whiteness and let's smash the patriarchy that's not anti-white

01:00:36.360 or anti-men it's anti-oppression so she says it's anti-reason it's anti-good she says anti-whiteness

01:00:43.240 isn't anti-white i'm pretty sure it is you know what i mean it's literally in the phrase anti-whiteness

01:00:49.800 again again what she's saying is if you're living like some african bushman then you're fine yeah uh

01:00:56.200 but while you're not living like an african bushman you're oppressing me yeah uh and honestly if that's

01:01:01.080 the case then i'm pro-oppression i'm not going to live like an african bushman and neither of my kids

01:01:05.960 and they have such a naive and patronizing understanding of what you know aboriginal

01:01:11.320 like what indigenous tribes were like they think they're all like living in harmony and holding hands

01:01:15.640 they remember they're like oh they don't have a word for rape oh that means that rape doesn't exist

01:01:19.320 you know oh there we go you know the word rape was invented by patriarchy to protect women from

01:01:26.360 being raped just fyi yeah but anyway let's carry on so and this is uh this is an idea you know the

01:01:32.440 abolishing whiteness thing it's been propagated out to wider society with one in six hiring managers

01:01:37.720 reporting being told to stop hiring white men and it's in our schools as well with teachers instructed

01:01:43.800 into how to disrupt the centrality of whiteness and parents told to be white traitors and obviously

01:01:51.800 you know any sort of all the all the cultural stuff we saw sophie duker on the frankie boyle show

01:01:57.240 being like uh kill whitey it's all through our our culture you'll have seen it you know so many times

01:02:02.200 and they make it blatant so you know if you'd say you know something like this so this was in south

01:02:06.600 africa this is in south africa f white people so they say a court ruled it's neither racist nor hate speech

01:02:12.760 but you know if you say the the faintest most codified thing like against picking on the other

01:02:20.120 group pick on white people then you know you're literally going to go straight to jail to be fair

01:02:24.680 this does represent the demographic breakdown on dating apps though right

01:02:31.880 we've seen people like you know sam melia get sent to jail for distributing stickers that said things and

01:02:37.720 you know they they showed these in court they said all it said was it's okay to be white

01:02:42.520 so saying it's okay to be white is a racist hate crime you go to jail saying if white people

01:02:47.720 is not racist and not hate speech nothing none of this you've worked out how this works

01:02:52.840 this is why leo is currently not in jail

01:02:57.080 i'd give it exactly and also people uh our politicians are on board with it as well so

01:03:03.720 don butler from britain's rule labor party explain why white people are worse than her because she's black

01:03:10.520 i think we can play a little can we play this samson you wanted to see me broken head bowed and tears

01:03:17.000 in my eyes more for you you didn't realize that my strength is powered by your lies you are the wrong

01:03:23.640 one the violent one the weird one whereas i i am the chosen one because i am on the first one you see

01:03:30.680 the skin i'm in this beautiful mahogany brown the skin you don't like i believe so why you try so

01:03:37.400 hard to achieve by burning yourself in the sun for me there's no need because i am the chosen one

01:03:43.160 but i am not the first one i know i'm black and beautiful an african freedom fighter my skin is my

01:03:49.320 protection don't matter because i am the chosen one but i am one of the first ones you created a structure

01:03:57.000 that made you seem great than the simple reality is it is all fake because i am the chosen one

01:04:03.000 but i am on the first one so you wanted to see me broken head bowed and tears in my eyes

01:04:08.520 more for you you haven't realized my strength is despite your lies

01:04:14.120 why is there a chair at the end and why is the chair white yeah that she's elevated by sitting on

01:04:20.520 white i have no idea i don't understand recording all that you know in the old days when you'd record

01:04:24.840 over a james bond film with and that's what's happened here but look what she said there it's

01:04:29.800 like look you created this giant great world of all things that means i can use an iphone to call

01:04:34.200 you a racist online where and and and has anybody this is all fake next to a cathedral and said that

01:04:39.960 the great zim is is the superior one but no no but she's got a point seriously when she's like this

01:04:44.040 is all fake it's like yeah no this is artificial right this didn't this wasn't natural it didn't

01:04:47.960 spring out of the ground fully formed no we we by the long process of being white we built a

01:04:54.280 civilization that you now live in and sit there and go yeah i hate this civilization why am i living in

01:04:58.440 a mud hut in africa sorry dawn i'm really sorry like jesus christ and you might be thinking that you

01:05:05.080 know surely these academics and politicians and all the rest of it they don't actually want to abolish

01:05:10.120 whiteness they just mean abolish white cultural behaviors like being able to form a queue or listen to

01:05:14.760 music on public transport transport through headphones instead of through the phone's main

01:05:18.600 speaker uh or establish a civilization like you said and it's like no they they literally and

01:05:23.480 explicitly state that they want to wipe out white people uh so harvard this is harvard university

01:05:28.920 magazine yeah yeah and he says the goal of abolishing the white race is on its face so desirable that some

01:05:36.520 may find it hard to believe that it could incur any opposition other than from committed white supremacists

01:05:41.400 i mean oh i'm sorry for wanting to exist jesus i didn't realize that me being allowed to breathe

01:05:46.760 was white supremacy the only person in opposition to no link native is adolf hitler himself

01:05:52.280 it's the only person and here's um academic zeus leonardo from uc berkeley another esteemed

01:06:00.840 institution his name is actually zeus that's a cool name though okay it's slightly and so that's why i'm

01:06:08.680 coming up with this recent understanding that to abolish whiteness is to abolish white people and

01:06:13.560 that's very uncomfortable perhaps but it asks about our definitions of what race is and what racial

01:06:20.040 justice might mean okay so he's explicitly saying roediger is explicitly saying might as well stop it

01:06:30.920 he's explicitly saying you know we want to wipe out white people so okay again he would say ah but

01:06:37.160 what i'm doing is actually a very clever trick i'm saying that we should abolish the category of

01:06:41.880 white and therefore i mean who's committing all the hate crimes right so i'm actually kind of in favor

01:06:47.800 of this if we abolish the category of white i can't go to jail for being a racist so so you know checkmate

01:06:55.080 zeus yeah well it's getting so unpopular to be white these days that some people are actually racially

01:07:01.560 transitioning like uh rachel dolezal who caused uproar when it was revealed that the black rights

01:07:07.240 activist was actually white and had turned herself black using spray tan and talking in the cinema

01:07:12.120 and ironically was germanic i think right literally parents from germany she got the she got the person

01:07:17.800 in the world she got the hairline of you know that somalian rapper who's on tiktok she's got with

01:07:22.520 a klingon hairline that starts halfway back she managed to get that i don't know that's that's pretty

01:07:26.040 convincing um and in the culture we're we're asked you know why is it a problem a sky reporter on the

01:07:31.960 next uh tab literally says to robert jenrich our next prime minister why would it be a problem

01:07:39.480 i think there are certain places in this country where people are not living side by side where we

01:07:44.920 are a very divided segregated society if you look at the center of bradford for example 50 of people

01:07:53.000 were not born in the uk if you look at the center of luton almost 50 of people only arrived in the uk

01:07:59.720 in the last 10 years if you look at parts of dagenham the white british population has reduced

01:08:06.120 by 50 percent in the last 25 years so i think well the pace of change and people are sick of that

01:08:13.560 people want to see mass migration ended they want to return to the level of the next time

01:08:19.720 sorry why is it if only someone wasn't in the government that was doing this to us yeah yeah

01:08:26.680 he was a bloody immigration minister under boris wasn't he yeah i mean so like he's he's had a bit

01:08:31.640 of a he was directly involved in it like the boris wave came in under his wife i mean don't worry he

01:08:36.920 he resigns he's all actually maybe swamping the country with millions of foreigners isn't actually

01:08:41.960 what i signed up yeah but like come on man i think a lot of people are sort of sold this utopian it's

01:08:48.440 it's an ideology it's a religious belief that multiculturalism is good and it's going to

01:08:52.200 benefit uh the country and now we're seeing that it's it's it's not a good thing actually countries

01:08:56.680 are function better when they're someone from the middle east the idea that multiculturalism is a good

01:09:02.040 idea yeah i mean let's swap places yeah look at look at all the places look where multiculturalism

01:09:08.360 has been taken to its logical extent come on guys like this is just like we see lebanon syria

01:09:17.720 yugoslavia these are places where multiculturalism has been tried we we don't need to you know have

01:09:22.600 sort of arcane academic theory to decide what's going to happen we can see what is happening and

01:09:27.000 why you take a country like britain like albion that had you know such a solid cohesive culture all the

01:09:34.920 all the way through it from from top to bottom it was it was we were like japan and then be like no

01:09:39.880 you know what we need we need to destroy this high trust society and just bring in lots of people

01:09:43.880 from random cultures not even like you know a lot of it a lot of immigration is you know high skilled

01:09:49.000 is culturally assimilable yeah but most people in europe and you know people from japan you know

01:09:53.800 i've never heard anybody complain about you know oh japanese people have moved in next door and it's

01:09:57.560 a nightmare there was that being so quiet episode but okay but so much so much of our immigration

01:10:03.480 like the the people from the mirpur uh valley that you know came into post-industrial it's not even just

01:10:08.600 that like the the immigration figures themselves it's something like was it 100 or 200 000 were

01:10:14.040 actual workers but like 300 000 were dependents yeah so it's like what are you doing and then once

01:10:18.760 once people are here then you get chain migration where friends and family can can follow them

01:10:22.920 uh it's nuts so yeah people say well white people like this is ed krassenstein he says white people

01:10:28.520 will one day no longer exist it's just a matter of time who cares who cares why would anybody care

01:10:34.760 uh so who cares well who know like we know we know what happens i i care about

01:10:42.680 me existing and my people existing i don't know yeah well have you considered that that's racist well

01:10:48.840 let's just see because we've abolished whiteness in some places and you know maybe it's maybe it's

01:10:53.560 worked out really well such as haiti look at the number of shootings that have clearly gone down

01:10:58.040 because that guy has a wooden gun this guy yeah i didn't even realize this why is he holding it that

01:11:04.280 way he's holding it like you swing a stick you don't what are you going to do what do you don't

01:11:11.640 remember the cargo cults you know okay you know cults look this is a cargo cult of a man who's got a gun

01:11:17.160 yeah but the the murder rate from shootings is doubtlessly down in haiti so i don't know what

01:11:22.360 you're complaining about well by the look of it the murder rate from beatings is also down i mean

01:11:26.440 well maybe yeah that's with that so haiti starvation up though so haiti at one point was the crown jewel

01:11:32.920 of the french colonial empire it was the most profitable colony in the world it produced a huge

01:11:37.640 portion of the world's sugar and coffee and it now ranks among the poorest nations in the world and

01:11:42.440 produces a huge portion of the world's barbecued human testicles uh so hate his wealth was generated

01:11:48.760 i mean there was slavery uh it was pretty brutal uh nobody disputes the cruelty of that system

01:11:55.080 especially british people who ended slavery hey you're welcome you know what i mean the thing i mean

01:11:58.840 that guy is literally called general barbecue yeah so yeah that's literally yeah if you get an invite to

01:12:05.240 that barbecue yeah i mean it's a fun thing like you know in britain are you invited to eat or are you

01:12:10.040 on the menu are you a guest or are you on the menu they start rubbing you with a marinade when you get

01:12:15.240 there just eat the mug cookies just yeah that's all i'm saying yeah so then there's a revolution in 1791

01:12:22.600 and it's portrayed by the left as a simple slave uprising killing white oppressors but haitian society

01:12:27.800 was more complex than this they had a layer of free black haitians who often owned slaves themselves and

01:12:33.640 mixed race positioned above the whites who were themselves separated by class and european origin

01:12:38.760 with the french hated the most and some other nationalities respected for sometimes siding against

01:12:43.240 the french and then after independence in 1804 jean-jacques dessalines haiti's uh first head of

01:12:49.880 state uh ordered the massacre of nearly all remaining white people on the island including women and

01:12:55.160 children uh that was abolishing whiteness yeah uh which apparently according to these academics is good

01:13:00.120 um and you know to give an idea of how much these guys hated white people uh dessalines secretary

01:13:06.520 wasaron tonner stated for our declaration of independence we should have the skin of a white

01:13:11.240 man for parchment his skull for an inkwell his blood for ink and a bayonet for a pen uh so he should

01:13:17.480 really be a professor at harvard that's the right attitude um and yeah thousands of white people were

01:13:23.720 killed there was the haitian massacre of of white people and the new haitian constitution banned whites from

01:13:29.640 owning property or becoming citizens so it was the first explicitly race-based ban in the new world

01:13:35.560 even sympathetic white allies who had supported the revolution were expelled or murdered so be

01:13:40.360 careful what you wish for or side with uh all you leftists so what you're saying is it's not all bad

01:13:47.400 yeah it's like the iranian revolution yeah you know when all the socialists

01:13:51.480 it's bad but a bunch of leftists also got it so you know yeah they got what they wanted

01:13:55.960 exactly they got what they campaigned for yeah um so yeah this was an ethnic policy of racial

01:14:00.760 purification by abolishing whiteness haiti destroyed its administrative class so a lot of

01:14:06.120 professionals merchants and technicians were either white or mixed race so their removal created a power

01:14:11.640 vacuum and led to the collapse of the bureaucracy that sustains society uh haiti also shut itself off

01:14:17.640 economically uh so by annihilating and expelling the french planter class haiti lost the expertise and

01:14:23.800 international relationships necessary to maintain large-scale agriculture and trade and it invited

01:14:29.400 permanent international isolation so the us and european powers viewed the racial violence with

01:14:34.440 horror and france demanded reparations in 1825 for this loss okay long series of bad things yeah long

01:14:41.480 series of bad things that came from this abolishing whiteness but i'm sure it worked in zimbabwe

01:14:45.800 oh yeah we're gonna move on we're gonna move on i mean basically haiti now it's had over 30 coups

01:14:51.160 since that's very scottish listeners i'm not talking about cattle uh they've had 30 military

01:14:57.720 like overthrew overthrows or attempted overthrows of the government nearly as many as in france itself

01:15:02.760 yeah yeah yeah and uh yeah there's no i mean right now there's no semblance of a sort of stable

01:15:09.160 functioning uh government in haiti it's uh it's run by are you impugning general barbecue you don't even

01:15:17.080 need you don't need a gun you can have this like stick gun and you can still run around um it's

01:15:22.920 mental uh and they've like 2024 uh gangs attacked the national penitentiary and freed over 4 000 of

01:15:30.680 their gang members uh there's thousands of kidnappings every year um it's but enough about hillary clinton

01:15:37.080 it's the only oh yeah all those celebrities went there to like you know what one of one of the uh

01:15:42.520 clinton's uh people got uh arrested and is currently in jail uh trying to smuggle silsby

01:15:49.480 i think so laura silby i think her name was uh literally trying to smuggle orphans out of haiti

01:15:54.600 so like actually that is somewhere that apparently there's a weird network of people who steal children

01:15:59.080 yeah yeah yeah yeah and you know i'm not i'm not sure how humanitarian that would have been or if

01:16:04.040 it's well yeah it was all for good cause um so haiti is a completely failed state um police stations

01:16:12.040 have been abandoned children are unable unable to attend school um so the white population i mean

01:16:17.960 they did successfully abolish whiteness so they they will get an extra bit of dei funding um the white

01:16:23.720 population of haiti is now pretty much zero except when virtue signaling lefties fly into

01:16:29.000 score some virtue signaling points against trump um so yeah on the plus side we can now see what a

01:16:36.760 libertarian anarcho state looks like free from the tyranny of government on the downside it turns out

01:16:42.600 you do need a bit of government tyranny to stop people eating each other so just as a quick thing

01:16:47.000 though i can't help but feel that if for some reason say you know uh maybe yorkshire's government

01:16:54.120 collapses or something probably not going to turn into zimbabwe though is it you know like

01:16:58.760 it's probably the yorkshireman will be like okay we'll just get on with things yeah i mean i

01:17:03.000 don't know about uh yorkshire with the demographic changes that are okay maybe maybe devon then you

01:17:08.040 know if devon's local government collapses and it becomes uh you know an independent sovereign

01:17:13.240 country yeah uh probably not going to turn into zimbabwe though right there's probably some difference

01:17:17.320 there well yeah this is the thing about blank slate ism yeah one of the ideologies that

01:17:21.480 that are ruling class uh still absolutely believe in and you know consider it an offensive race it's

01:17:27.800 a sacred it's a sacred thing but obviously if you took the population of norway and the population of

01:17:33.400 somalia and just moved the people to opposite countries it's not some sort of magic soil that makes

01:17:40.760 norway prosper and be functional and stuff like if hang on we we could really get one over on the third world

01:17:46.920 here right because if they all actually will like yeah yeah we'll just swap countries you can have

01:17:51.000 our wonderful country with all this infrastructure and we'll have your terrible country with gorgeous

01:17:53.960 weather yeah and it'll be like that forever i mean yeah sure i mean we'll swap we'll get a nice

01:17:58.920 piece of land that we can then build yeah and we'll have nice weather yeah yeah yeah and places like

01:18:04.600 haiti it's got incredible mineral resources fertile farmland like they could have whales compared to

01:18:10.440 iceland which is basically you know an arctic desert with some fishing rights and stuff and like

01:18:15.640 iceland's a completely functional country uh so yeah the the people in iceland the people in haiti

01:18:21.080 swapped and and and also you know it's a cultural thing as well because right next door to haiti on

01:18:26.760 the same island is the dominican republic yeah with a massive wall which yeah which hasn't had this you

01:18:32.520 know push this mad rush to abolish whiteness or anything and it's a very uh successful functioning

01:18:37.720 country uh so moving on to zimbabwe so europeans arrived in zimbabwe hundreds of years ago i appreciate

01:18:43.960 we're getting short on time um let's give us the lowdown did it work

01:18:50.840 so basically basically zimbabwe europeans arrived there created a functioning country under this

01:18:57.480 it's not just a functioning country the rhodesia was beautiful it was beautiful you know some people

01:19:01.960 would would say it was a bit racist but then others would say it was a functioning country

01:19:09.640 others would say they had food and power they had food it's so much food they exported it to other

01:19:14.600 parts of africa and fed not just zimbabweans but fed other people in in africa they managed to function

01:19:21.080 under a decade of sanctions under constant military attack yeah while maintaining food production and

01:19:27.160 developing their industries yep drop 300 000 anglos in africa and this is what you get whereas if you

01:19:32.680 were to today cut off all foreign aid to zimbabwe you would see some consequences yeah if you were to impose

01:19:38.920 this like this this mythology around africa and the wakanda wakandization of history it's just completely insane

01:19:49.560 um and you see it happening all the time and it's just a sick joke uh my mother was born in liberia

01:19:58.040 how's that going god i'm gonna get to liberia in a moment hurry up because we are running out all

01:20:04.920 right yeah so basically zimbabwe then mugabe took over and uh you know it worked for a while and then

01:20:10.760 you know slowly uh he started he became more marxist i mean to be honest marxism is kind of a white

01:20:17.160 ideology as well yes so uh he started stealing land and all the rest of it so uh abolishing whiteness

01:20:25.160 didn't work in zimbabwe either um you can go to my youtube channel i'm going to do a sort of deep

01:20:29.800 dive into this and uh you can see all the bits that i'm missing out now but liberia is the only

01:20:33.880 country in the world where you're denied citizenship if you're white so you have to be black and you

01:20:38.280 preferably have to be born in liberia and it was created in the early 19th century as a project of

01:20:43.960 the american colonization society so basically it was uh freed black slaves could go back to liberia

01:20:50.680 uh and uh and create a nation there but the thing is there already people there so um they created

01:20:56.840 sort of two classes the the people who came in um as i understand it they enslaved them basically yeah

01:21:03.320 they kind of they kind of enslaved them and you know they were they were an elite class the people

01:21:06.920 who came from america and they they were the americo liberians um and they governed the nation with a

01:21:12.600 steady of somewhat sort of insular and slightly uh in group racist hand and it worked it worked

01:21:19.400 polishing whiteness can work if you have a slave class it worked for a bit but then you know the

01:21:24.680 liberians the native liberians that rebelled against them to uh to uh you know for for the short story

01:21:32.120 and uh now it's sort of degenerated into i think it's more stable now but it had a good couple of

01:21:37.400 decades of just relentless coups and fight standard punishment was to amputate both hands right and you

01:21:44.920 could opt for long sleeves or short sleeves geez you could oh sure this would be short sleeves yeah

01:21:50.280 and this would this would be long sleeves this would be short sleeves why would anybody choose short

01:21:53.880 sleeves yeah at least you can get like a sometimes they gave you a choice sometimes they didn't

01:22:00.120 right yeah well basically abolishing whiteness didn't work in liberia either um and yeah just

01:22:08.440 just to finish up on if we go look at the next thing so we can see uh white people i don't know why

01:22:12.760 you want to abolish whiteness because if you look at how racial groups rate each other white people

01:22:17.640 are the least racist of all the groups surveyed so they have a very similar uh rating of uh in-group

01:22:24.760 preference and out-group preference they you know they see everybody uh pretty much the same um and if

01:22:31.400 you look at every other group they have vastly stronger in-group preference and uh more negative out-group

01:22:38.600 preference and all of them rate whites the worst yeah absolutely to be genuinely hilarious yeah in

01:22:45.480 in every respect particularly from from from the asians really what's going on with the asians

01:22:49.960 yeah listen bros you're the second whitest they're coming for you next yeah yeah i'm serious and it's

01:22:56.120 you know it's not really it's not really fair because um like that's it's not really fair like i

01:23:01.640 think we're a bit beyond that bro i think we're slightly past that and it's it's one of these things it's

01:23:06.360 like i don't think i think there's this idea of transactionalism you know like the like the

01:23:11.400 socialists in iran were like oh if we if we're nice to the uh islamists and help them uh then they'll

01:23:18.360 help us back uh same in the in the uk the green part they're like oh we're going to be nice back

01:23:23.400 no they didn't really them executing jailed them um it's great so

01:23:28.600 um it's it's certain also we you know white people abolish slavery um we do some pretty altruistic

01:23:36.280 stuff uh this this i mean this is misleading europeans aren't responsible for 97 of all

01:23:41.080 inventions 96.6 percent we were we're responsible europeans it's quite a small you know portion of

01:23:47.640 europe um from scotland sort of across to you know germany and down to down to spain um it was during a

01:23:55.480 period you know basically enlightenment yeah you know all all the world's inventions happened uh in

01:24:00.760 europe then uh and now um the and this is this is the home office so i'm wondering why our establishment

01:24:07.560 is supporting this abolishing whiteness movement but now white people are going to be essentially

01:24:13.720 abolished like in 1900 about 30 percent a third of the world's population was white and now it's just

01:24:21.080 seven percent you can see in the last tab the guardian were even writing about it this is 24

01:24:25.320 years ago uk whites will be a minority by 2100 i mean that was actually uh quite optimistic and

01:24:30.360 it's going to happen sooner than that especially no one expected the boris wave exactly yeah yeah

01:24:34.680 nobody thought nobody thought the conservatives would get into power crank it up to more than a

01:24:38.760 million a year and act like you know the most doing the most marxist academic you could possibly get

01:24:44.440 uh so yeah that's that's what's that's what's going to happen it's probably going to push us to to

01:24:49.320 civil war it's going to be horrible um it would be the first time in history that a major indigenous

01:24:54.280 population has voluntarily become a minority well you can't white you can't call whites indigenous

01:24:59.000 anymore well that's how they've got voluntary is doing a bit of heavy lifting there and it's a bit

01:25:04.120 of a uh bit premature yeah isn't that amazing that the guardian used to use words like indigenous for

01:25:09.800 yeah 2000 this wasn't something stigmatized by by cambridge academics yeah yeah let's go to the

01:25:16.200 video comments so the comments uh omar all right oh you got video comments cool

01:25:25.640 maybe lotus eater should be producing a based history of britain maybe we should take that on

01:25:30.680 as a project it would be a good one i mean i i'm gonna have to think about it i slightly mentioned it

01:25:35.240 that they last week when i said we should be opening our own publishing company

01:25:45.880 so has he got a publishing company

01:25:49.960 um maybe

01:25:52.840 i do like the idea of a based history of britain though what's his name uh tell us

01:25:57.400 uh well it's uh cs cooper cs cooper a u dot com or something so if i wanted to

01:26:06.120 get a book published i could get in touch with him yeah i don't doubt cool let's go to the next one

01:26:14.200 i recall my father lauding the maltese philosopher edward de bono whose ideas and innovations on

01:26:19.160 thinking were so widely respected with lateral thinking one is challenged to keep analyzing a

01:26:23.880 problem perhaps even actively using wrong assumptions or random inputs not so much to

01:26:28.760 look for a solution as to engage with the problem in ways that may lead to fresh insights amusingly

01:26:33.640 de bono proposed dropping jars of marmite into the middle east to boost deficiencies of zinc in the

01:26:38.120 diet which is known to moderate emotion hilarious because it challenges their notion of diet by

01:26:42.920 justifying the brewing industry i'm a big fan of marmite put it out there i like marmite

01:26:50.760 i've done marmite for a while okay okay i'm gonna go back home and have a marmite sandwich

01:26:58.680 so naomi says uh so if trump does act does that mean we're likely to enter a new nuclear arms race

01:27:04.680 and yeah it basically that's what will happen in the middle east which and even just bringing this

01:27:10.280 up is probably going to cause that as you're saying yep so not great um man of kent points out

01:27:15.400 that trump already used the moab on the taliban in his first term so he knows of it yeah i know i was

01:27:19.960 joking i i know that he knows um america the moab and the mop are two different things what's the

01:27:25.640 difference uh the moab is a sort of incendiary it uses a chemical that i'm trying to remember

01:27:33.800 it burns the air it pretty much burns the air and everything in the area into a fine crisp yeah

01:27:41.480 whereas the massive ordinance penetrator actually goes through a rock and then so these these are two

01:27:47.480 two different moms oh yeah and the one that goes through so this big one that was talking that

01:27:50.760 goes down to 60 meters unless you got the special concrete uh so you can program it to go through

01:27:56.040 if you if you know you're bombing a facility that's got you know six floors and you want it to blow up

01:28:00.360 in the third floor it can sense when it's gone through floors it's mental see if i was saying trump

01:28:06.600 before and be like okay look i realize it was bad but this is cool yeah you know don't we want to try this out

01:28:11.880 um omar says in world war ii a napalm strike killed many times more people than irashima bombs they

01:28:17.720 experimented with uh tying incendiary devices to bats which would have created exponentially greater

01:28:23.080 death and destruction the difference is anyone can set animals on fire but leveling a city with

01:28:27.080 a clumping material the size of your fist is effectively magic that's a good uh yeah yeah it's

01:28:31.080 a flex isn't it yeah that's a good point also it's funny how like you know in the 80s the chernobyl

01:28:35.720 disaster was seen you know everybody was like this is this is the worst thing ever you know what i mean

01:28:39.400 and israel's just bombed at iraq reactor and it's uh but it was iraq not iraq iraq and uh and it's

01:28:47.160 all like you know you can see the the shell is all like burst open nobody gives a shit that's

01:28:51.640 what happened to worrying about nuclear stuff oh that's their problem isn't it you know the

01:28:56.280 the heroes is like you know the big breeze comes across europe now it's our problem um california refugee

01:29:02.360 points out that the cartels have control over large swathes of territory in california too

01:29:06.680 something far too people uh too few people are aware of uh we needed military intervention

01:29:11.560 yesterday yeah this uh this is a point i should have made actually it's very good for pointing

01:29:15.320 me up on it uh the the demographic replacement of people along the southern border states just brings

01:29:21.560 with it cartel yes uh influence and the cartel is best understood as an insurgent group embedded in

01:29:27.080 the population yes rather than just a yes and when shine bombs like yeah we're going to protect our

01:29:31.480 people there so yeah she's going to protect her cartels and her colonists yes that's that's the way

01:29:35.640 she's looking at it and don't you forget that uh henry says uh i'll be honest i don't mind the

01:29:42.040 idea of abolishing the idea of whiteness because mostly it's too broad and fundamentally very american

01:29:46.440 and therefore cringe and should be disregarded i'm english i have very little in common with

01:29:50.280 the germans danes estonian slavs etc so what makes sense would it make to group us together

01:29:54.520 well again it's a common christian it isn't americanism sure but it's about perspective right so

01:29:59.960 okay yeah when like the english the danes the germans the estonians are all hanging out together

01:30:04.200 yeah all the differences are very big but then suddenly some dude from cameroon turns up uh

01:30:08.920 maybe we're a lot more similar than we first thought you know the english and the scots are

01:30:11.960 learning this really really quickly because like when we were young the catholic irish are learning

01:30:16.360 this really absolutely when we were young like very few immigrants so it was very much more the the

01:30:22.040 the ethnic differences between the britons was emphasized in comedy and just in politics right

01:30:26.040 uh now uh not not so much uh no one no one cares you know it's yeah well it seems almost quaint in

01:30:32.520 2015 people had a vote uh for a referendum to control our borders because there were too many

01:30:37.080 polish people like now if i see a polish person in the street i'm like thank god my brother

01:30:43.880 but that's that's true you know it's actually true um but anyway yeah so there we go um

01:30:49.880 and uh derek says uh everyone has white blood cells therefore everyone is white i mean that's

01:30:53.800 basically where it's going to end up but anyway we are out of time on that point leo where can people

01:30:57.560 find more from you so i've got a patreon leo cares and i've got a youtube channel it's also leo cares

01:31:02.760 so yes if you if you're rich give me money on patreon you get exclusive content if you if you're not

01:31:07.640 rich or if you're tight like me then just go to my youtube channel good luck spelling kiss um

01:31:14.920 we'll be back in uh half an hour for lads hour uh where we're talking about

01:31:18.360 sam ramey spider-man so we'll see you then guys thank you bye

The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - June 20, 2025

The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1191

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