The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1192

00:00:00.000 Hello and welcome to the podcast of the Lotus Eaters for Monday the 23rd of June 2025.

00:00:06.080 I'm your host Captain Darling, I mean Luca, joined today by Firas Melchit and Stephen Blackadder.

00:00:15.080 Don't be racist fella, don't be racist. I thought we'd got rid of language like that.

00:00:21.040 Not even close. Anyway, today we're going to be talking all about whether or not the conflict in

00:00:26.960 Iran is probably going to evolve into a war of regime change. We're also going to talk about

00:00:32.120 the potential economic fallout of closing the Strait of Hamuz. And then we're also going to end

00:00:38.460 with Britain's myth-making madness over the Windrush generation. So no announcements today. Firas,

00:00:45.580 tell us about Iran. Yes, hello, good afternoon. Let's talk briefly about where the Iranian nuclear

00:00:52.500 program was, according to the Director of National Intelligence, Tulsi Gabbard, the factors that led

00:00:59.280 us to the American strikes and the impact of those strikes. So firstly, where are the Iranians

00:01:05.920 building a nuclear weapon? Tulsi Gabbard came out in support of President Trump and said that the media

00:01:13.040 is taking my testimony out of context and spreading fake news. And then she posted this clip and let's

00:01:20.400 see what it says. The IC continues to assess that Iran is not building a nuclear weapon and

00:01:26.820 is not building a nuclear weapon. Yep. Yep. That's pretty clear to me. Khamenei has not authorized the

00:01:32.400 nuclear weapons program that he suspended in 2003. The program was suspended in 2003. That is 22 years

00:01:41.260 ago. Yep. The IC continues to monitor closely if Tehran decides to reauthorize its nuclear weapons

00:01:47.400 program. In the past year, we've seen an erosion of a decades long taboo in Iran on discussing nuclear

00:01:53.680 weapons in public, likely emboldening nuclear weapons advocates within Iran's decision making

00:01:59.160 apparatus. Iran's enriched uranium stockpile is at its highest levels and is unprecedented for a state

00:02:06.700 without nuclear weapons. So this is pretty much exactly what we knew all along. They had a big

00:02:13.360 amount of enriched uranium, but they had not taken a decision to build a weapon. Having more enriched

00:02:20.180 uranium means that they can decide to build a weapon more quickly. Yes. Fair enough. But the assessment

00:02:26.020 from the intelligence community, which is sort of helping hunt Iranian nuclear scientists and clearly has

00:02:32.740 deeply penetrated Iran was that they were not building one. Yes. And so you also had the comments

00:02:38.920 from the former UK ambassador to Iran and also the former head of MI6 on Radio 4 last week saying in

00:02:47.100 their view, the UK's view, there was not a program that was leading to the building of a nuclear weapon.

00:02:54.640 Exactly. So that kind of fits in with what you're saying. Which is something that we should remember.

00:02:59.120 So what's actually going on? Well, I want to go back to the mid-2000s when General Wesley Clark,

00:03:06.520 who was commander of NATO, made the following point. About 10 days after 9-11, I went through the

00:03:13.100 Pentagon and I saw Secretary Rumsfeld and Deputy Secretary Wolfowitz. I went downstairs just to say

00:03:19.840 hello to some of the people on the joint staff who used to work for me. And one of the generals called me

00:03:24.040 and he said, sir, you got to come in. You got to come in and talk to me a second. I said, well,

00:03:27.880 you're too busy. He said, no, no. He says, we've made the decision. We're going to war with Iraq.

00:03:34.540 This was on or about the 20th of September. I said, we're going to war with Iraq. Why?

00:03:41.120 He said, I don't know. He said, I guess they don't know what else to do.

00:03:48.240 So I said, well, did they find some information connecting Saddam to Al-Qaeda? He said, no,

00:03:54.160 no. He says, there's nothing new that way. They've just made the decision to go to war

00:03:58.600 with Iraq. He said, I guess it's like, we don't know what to do about terrorists, but

00:04:03.520 we've got a good military and we can take down governments. And he said, I guess if the only

00:04:09.720 tool you have is a hammer, every problem has to look like a nail. So I came back to see him

00:04:15.480 a few weeks later. And by that time we were bombing in Afghanistan. I said, are we still

00:04:20.180 going to war with Iraq? And he said, oh, it's worse than that. He said, he reached over on

00:04:24.580 his desk. He picked up a piece of paper. He said, I just, he said, I just got this down

00:04:28.400 from upstairs, meeting the secretary of defense's office today. And he said, this is a memo that

00:04:32.400 describes how we're going to take out seven countries in five years, starting with Iraq and

00:04:38.800 then Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, and finishing off Iran.

00:04:44.620 So this decision was made early on. Iraq was invaded two years after that decision was made.

00:04:53.040 But because of the cost of the Iraq war and Afghanistan war, the remaining countries on that

00:04:58.460 list were pursued differently. It was through airstrikes in Libya. It was through sponsorship

00:05:05.660 of civil war and partition in Sudan. Somalia is a hot mess. It regularly gets bombed by the United

00:05:10.940 States. Lebanon, 2006, there was an attempt by Israel to dismantle Hezbollah. That failed.

00:05:17.980 And then it succeeded in 2024 or severely degraded Hezbollah. Syria, we just saw the consequences

00:05:24.480 in December 2024. After 13, 14 years of the U.S. sponsoring jihadis, the government was finally

00:05:31.200 overthrown. And now the last one standing is Iran. And the unofficial leader of this neocon policy has

00:05:39.040 always been Benjamin Netanyahu. This is Netanyahu testifying to Congress in 2002, before the invasion

00:05:46.800 of Iraq. And look at what he promised.

00:05:49.120 But...

00:05:49.620 If you take out Saddam, Saddam's regime, I guarantee you that it will have enormous positive reverberations

00:06:04.780 on the region. And I think that people sitting right next door in Iran, young people, and many

00:06:10.980 others will say, the time of such regimes, of such despots, is gone. There is a new age.

00:06:17.160 Something new is happening.

00:06:18.160 And that is speculation on your part, or you have some evidence to that effect?

00:06:21.980 I was asked the same question in 1986. I had written a book in which I had said that the

00:06:29.600 way to deal with terrorist regimes, well, with terror, was to deal with the terrorist regimes.

00:06:34.220 And the way to deal with the terrorist regimes, among other things, was to apply military force

00:06:39.280 against them.

00:06:41.280 The way we did in Afghanistan.

00:06:42.280 The way, for example, I want to answer your question.

00:06:44.280 I guess I'm running out of time, so I quickly was trying to get there. We've done, I think,

00:06:47.280 what you proposed in Afghanistan, yet I haven't seen that sort of neighborhood effect.

00:06:51.280 Well, I think there's been an enormous effect. The effect was, we were told that there would

00:06:57.380 be a contrary effect. First of all, people said that there would be tens of thousands of

00:07:01.720 people streaming into Afghanistan, zealots who would be outraged by America's action, and

00:07:06.200 this would produce a counter-reaction in the Arab world.

00:07:08.520 I think you're not saying that when you take an action like we did in Afghanistan, we're

00:07:11.520 going to see all the other countries just fold.

00:07:13.520 No, what we saw is something else. First of all, we saw everybody streaming.

00:07:16.520 So basically, Netanyahu was advocating for the Iraq war.

00:07:21.520 Yes.

00:07:22.520 He's been advocating for regime-changing countries he doesn't like or that don't like him since

00:07:28.520 1986, according to him. So this is the culmination of this policy. And it should be understood

00:07:35.520 that this policy was decided a long time ago. The specifics of the implementation took their

00:07:41.520 time to be worked out because of how messy Iraq and Afghanistan actually were, contrary

00:07:46.520 to Netanyahu's promises, contrary to Netanyahu's promises. And now we're in this position again

00:07:52.520 where the United States military is being used to remove governments that aren't friendly to Israel.

00:07:58.520 Now, this is arguably in the United States own interest. It wants more Saudi Arabia's. It wants

00:08:04.520 more Egypt's. You could make that case. But this is clearly also in Israel's interest. And the promise

00:08:12.520 of Trump or his campaigning was based on these being stupid wars that should have never happened,

00:08:17.520 that these were horrific mistakes, that the neocons were crazy and shouldn't be listened to, etc., etc.

00:08:24.520 Yeah. And I was thinking about this, you know, when you were saying about him, he had open ears in

00:08:29.520 Wolfovich and Rumsfeld. And he also had open ears on a number of other people that advised Obama as well as Bush.

00:08:40.520 Yes.

00:08:41.520 So they were deeply involved in that. And I also had to think about him. You were just saying he's been going since

00:08:46.520 1985 on this. It's almost like a Prince song, you know, instead of dancing like, partying like 1985,

00:08:52.520 it's bombing since 1985. I think he's got a mentality that he just wants to destroy everybody else.

00:08:59.520 Exactly.

00:09:00.520 I understand why. He wants to protect his own nation. He feels that's the way to do it.

00:09:03.520 Yes.

00:09:04.520 But that doesn't mean necessarily how we should all be doing it.

00:09:07.520 Exactly. Exactly. And it is how the West is doing it right now, because the Germans are involved in refueling

00:09:15.520 Israeli aircraft. The Americans are obviously deeply involved now and are doing their own bombing.

00:09:22.520 The British and the French are helping defend Israeli airspace from Iran's retaliation.

00:09:28.520 So the West collectively is deeply involved in this. And there was no vote. There was no discussion.

00:09:36.520 The popular sentiment is, you know what? No. Israel's popularity in the West is at an all time low.

00:09:44.520 But the same policy that gave us Iraq and Afghanistan supported by Netanyahu is still being pursued

00:09:52.520 by the American administration. You could argue it's the donors. I won't get into the whole donor thing

00:10:00.520 and Miriam Adelson's involvement and her role in paying Trump $100 million in his campaign.

00:10:06.520 I wasn't aware of that particular one.

00:10:08.520 So Miriam Adelson, the wife of the late Sheldon Adelson, ended up becoming the third largest donor

00:10:14.520 to the Trump campaign and paid $100 million.

00:10:16.520 I knew there was a huge Israeli connection, a very big Jewish connection.

00:10:21.520 I didn't know the one individual that is actually very pro in Adelson's anyway.

00:10:26.520 They were always very pro just bombing everybody.

00:10:29.520 They were basically very close to Netanyahu.

00:10:31.520 Yes.

00:10:32.520 Jared Kushner, his family was friends with the Netanyahu family since Jared was a child.

00:10:39.520 Right.

00:10:40.520 And so there is this very deep involvement between Netanyahu and Trump.

00:10:45.520 There was a period where we were seeing very different signals in the last couple of months.

00:10:50.520 Yeah, not even too long ago.

00:10:51.520 Exactly.

00:10:52.520 Yeah.

00:10:53.520 Exactly.

00:10:54.520 But now, here we are.

00:10:56.520 Now, J.D. Vance is saying that actually the U.S. is not at war with Iran.

00:11:01.520 The U.S. is just at war with Iran's nuclear program.

00:11:05.520 Who staffs Iran's nuclear program.

00:11:09.520 Who authorizes Iran's nuclear program.

00:11:13.520 Oh, is it the Iranian state? Then I guess you're at war with the Iranian state.

00:11:17.520 No, no.

00:11:18.520 Ah.

00:11:19.520 No, no, no.

00:11:20.520 It's the Chagos Islands.

00:11:21.520 Oh, yes.

00:11:22.520 It's clearly someone on there.

00:11:23.520 Yeah.

00:11:24.520 It's clearly the Chagos Islands.

00:11:25.520 Absolutely.

00:11:26.520 It's the Chagos Islands.

00:11:27.520 That's not the Iranian's perspective.

00:11:28.520 No.

00:11:29.520 Needless to say.

00:11:30.520 No.

00:11:31.520 My perspective, according to the head of their army, is that now they have to retaliate

00:11:36.520 freely against anything related to the United States.

00:11:38.520 And from, I'll explain why, well, let me explain why they can't back down.

00:11:44.520 The U.S. wants Iran to stop having regional proxies who view themselves not as proxies but

00:11:51.520 as allies of Iran that are funded by Iran.

00:11:54.520 In the same way that a big chunk of Lebanese politicians, for example, are funded by the

00:11:58.520 United States and funded by the West or the Saudis or whoever.

00:12:03.520 They view that this is an alliance, not a proxy war.

00:12:08.520 They want the Iranians to dismantle also their ballistic missile program, meaning that they

00:12:14.520 can't retaliate against, say, Israel if it bombs them or Turkey or Pakistan or any of

00:12:20.520 their other neighbors.

00:12:21.520 And why would any country, if it's a democratic country or a non-democratic country, say that

00:12:27.520 it's going to turn away all its military and its weapons to protect itself, which is

00:12:31.520 actually, as we all know, the first element of a country should be defending its nation's

00:12:36.520 borders and its people within it.

00:12:37.520 We say it every day as part of the right.

00:12:39.520 Why aren't we not defending?

00:12:40.520 So we should understand a nation wanting to do it for themselves.

00:12:45.520 Don't necessarily have to agree with them, but we can understand that.

00:12:48.520 The first step towards being a decent political analyst is to have empathy for the other side.

00:12:53.520 Yes.

00:12:54.520 And these demands show absolute lack of empathy.

00:12:58.520 But John Bolton, you guys remember John Bolton, Crazy John?

00:13:03.520 Unfortunately, yes.

00:13:04.520 Unfortunately, now he's cheerleading Trump after having been attacking Trump endlessly.

00:13:11.520 And now he's saying Trump did the right thing for America in striking Iran's nuclear weapons

00:13:17.520 program, which, according to Dolce Gabbard, was not a nuclear weapons program.

00:13:22.520 Anyway, now on to regime change.

00:13:25.520 What does the Donald think about this?

00:13:29.520 Well, Donald says it's not politically correct to use the term regime change.

00:13:36.520 But if the current Iranian regime is unable to make Iran great again, why wouldn't there be a regime change?

00:13:44.520 Miga.

00:13:45.520 So now we've gone from striking the nuclear program to a regime change war.

00:13:54.520 Yes.

00:13:55.520 And this is what it's all about.

00:13:56.520 That seems like a quick explanation.

00:13:58.520 And Iranian greatness.

00:13:59.520 You know, I'm not saying I'm a fan of Iran or anything, but Iranian greatness looks exactly like what the Americans want it to look like.

00:14:06.520 Yes, exactly.

00:14:07.520 So it's not an Iranian vision of greatness in their own country.

00:14:11.520 It's an American vision of Iranian greatness.

00:14:14.520 When Japan was fighting in the Second World War, we needed to teach them a lesson.

00:14:18.520 So we gave them a couple of nukes, even though we didn't necessarily need to.

00:14:21.520 But then we made Japan great again because we controlled it with our kind of soldiers, military,

00:14:27.520 and of course, our governor who controlled the country for about 15 years.

00:14:30.520 Exactly.

00:14:31.520 And what they did was we told, and they aren't puppet enough to be able to say, and I'm sorry to use the word puppet,

00:14:36.520 because people will no doubt criticize you for me, but if you do not allow a nation to run its own right,

00:14:41.520 in the same way Britain was a puppet of the European Union.

00:14:43.520 Yes.

00:14:44.520 You know, again, it's something that we're going to find difficult on the right,

00:14:47.520 because at the moment, anyone who says, I'm not supporting the Iranian regime,

00:14:50.520 there are lots of it I don't like, just as I don't like Russia.

00:14:52.520 I despise the Iranian regime.

00:14:53.520 Yeah.

00:14:54.520 Absolutely.

00:14:55.520 That's not the issue.

00:14:56.520 If we're using the same logic that we would apply for our own nation, we're now called Iranian stooges or Russian stooges

00:15:03.520 Exactly.

00:15:04.520 Chinese stooges.

00:15:05.520 And I think that is a kind of appalling lack of understanding.

00:15:07.520 Exactly.

00:15:08.520 And applying your brain to the logic.

00:15:10.520 Exactly.

00:15:11.520 Exactly.

00:15:12.520 If the defense of this is that this is necessary to further the American empire,

00:15:16.520 Yes.

00:15:17.520 Let's have a conversation on these things.

00:15:18.520 Absolutely.

00:15:19.520 Sure.

00:15:20.520 And let's be honest about it.

00:15:21.520 If this is supposed to be good for the United States or good for the region or good for the Iranians,

00:15:28.520 that's just not true.

00:15:29.520 Oh, no, no.

00:15:30.520 That's just not true.

00:15:31.520 No.

00:15:32.520 So what were the effects of the strike?

00:15:38.520 Well, the issue seems to be that Trump started this off by saying that the Iranian nuclear program has been absolutely obliterated,

00:15:49.520 that it's been completely destroyed.

00:15:51.520 But there are a couple of missing details.

00:15:54.520 One, we went from the Americans saying that the nuclear program has been obliterated to them simply saying that it's been severely damaged,

00:16:06.520 which is not quite the same thing.

00:16:08.520 And if you take it with a little bit of time, we might end up discovering more and more details about what was damaged and what wasn't.

00:16:14.520 But part of the problem seems to be that the Iranians were using trucks to move a big bunch of stuff from Furdou before it was struck and possibly to close Furdou with dirt to sort of shut down the tunnels with dirt to preserve the facility.

00:16:39.520 And it seems that nobody actually knows where the highly enriched uranium is right now, which is a little bit of a problem.

00:16:49.520 The Israelis are saying that they have intelligence on where that enriched uranium is.

00:16:55.520 Interesting intelligence, according to Netanyahu.

00:16:58.520 But we don't actually know that.

00:17:00.520 And we don't know how they've dispersed it.

00:17:03.520 And we don't know what's still there.

00:17:05.520 And the certainty that the Furdou was actually obliterated won't exist until the International Atomic Energy Agency gets to inspect it,

00:17:18.520 which the Iranians obviously won't do because the IAEA makes its findings public and does include obviously a number of Western spies.

00:17:28.520 So the Iranians are absolutely not going to allow access to their nuclear facilities.

00:17:33.520 So with the missing enriched uranium and the Iranians rather reasonably saying nobody's allowed to come near our nuclear facilities while we're being bombed,

00:17:43.520 the argument is going to be made, rightly or wrongly, that the Iranians are building a nuclear weapon.

00:17:49.520 Rightly, because that seems like a reasonable thing to do when you're being attacked by a superpower and you want to establish deterrence.

00:17:58.520 Wrongly, because we won't actually know anymore.

00:18:01.520 Which puts us into that lovely field of political choice that politicians love of the weapons of mass destruction.

00:18:10.520 Yes.

00:18:11.520 We're going to tell you they've got weapons of mass destruction.

00:18:14.520 Exactly.

00:18:15.520 Where's the evidence?

00:18:16.520 The evidence is our intelligence.

00:18:17.520 Where's the intelligence?

00:18:18.520 Our intelligence officers are telling us.

00:18:20.520 Where's the intelligence the intelligence officers have got?

00:18:22.520 Their intelligence have come from the people who are providing them with the intelligence.

00:18:26.520 And on it goes when they don't have the proof or not willing to show it because, hey, we all trust our governments.

00:18:34.520 Yep.

00:18:35.520 Yep.

00:18:37.520 So this is obviously heading towards a regime change war.

00:18:41.520 Yeah, of course it is.

00:18:42.520 And if you're the Iranians, you can't really negotiate because they were supposed to meet with the Americans to negotiate on 16 June.

00:18:51.520 Yes, of course.

00:18:52.520 The Israelis started bombing on 13 June with the explicit objective of scuttling these negotiations because that's what Netanyahu has always wanted.

00:19:00.520 And then Trump last week said that he's going to give himself two weeks to decide whether or not to attack Iran on 21 June.

00:19:09.520 And then on 22 June, he goes ahead and he attacks Iran.

00:19:12.520 Yeah.

00:19:13.520 So if you're the Iranians, can you, if you, and if you wanted to negotiate, can you?

00:19:19.520 You're not going to want to negotiate now, are you?

00:19:21.520 Yeah.

00:19:22.520 And that's really what they wanted.

00:19:23.520 And that's exactly what the objective is.

00:19:25.520 So whether we like it or not, this is now a massive regime change war.

00:19:29.520 And don't we see this as exactly the same scenario has happened in Russia, Ukraine?

00:19:34.520 Because of course, there they went to Turkey with an agreement to actually negotiate a peaceful settlement.

00:19:40.520 Putin's team all were ready.

00:19:42.520 Even Zelensky's accepted that they were ready to sign things.

00:19:46.520 Yep.

00:19:47.520 And then along comes Boris Johnson and some of the Europeans.

00:19:50.520 Exactly.

00:19:51.520 Backed with the more warmongering deep state United States to say, no, let's scupper this.

00:19:56.520 Yes.

00:19:57.520 And so the Russians have used the same excuse.

00:19:59.520 We came for peace to negotiate.

00:20:01.520 You then did other things that led us not to have that negotiation.

00:20:05.520 Yes.

00:20:06.520 Now, mind you, nothing that I'm saying here is intended to say that the Iranians are in a good

00:20:11.520 position.

00:20:12.520 Oh, no, no.

00:20:13.520 They're getting hit from the air.

00:20:15.520 They didn't know, they didn't see the B-2s.

00:20:18.520 The American reporting on the airstrikes that they conducted was that no Iranian air defense

00:20:24.520 fired at the B-2 strike packages, at the B-2 jets that were doing the bombing.

00:20:30.520 Neither while they were entering Iranian airspace nor after they'd bombed and were exiting.

00:20:34.520 They didn't see it.

00:20:35.520 They're getting hit left and right.

00:20:37.520 They're deeply penetrated by Western intelligence.

00:20:39.520 Yes.

00:20:40.520 They're in a very big mess.

00:20:43.520 And they have no idea where the intelligence penetration is.

00:20:46.520 They just executed two people over the last two days and arrested another 36 people for

00:20:53.520 spying for the Israelis.

00:20:55.520 And these are just the ones that they know about.

00:20:57.520 And they don't know where the Israel, they don't, they haven't accounted for all of the

00:21:01.520 Israeli drone bases on their territory.

00:21:03.520 So they could still get hit quite severely.

00:21:06.520 But even though they're in a very difficult position, the possibility of talks has been taken away by Netanyahu's actions and by Trump's follow-up actions.

00:21:19.520 And we should be clear about all of this.

00:21:22.520 And this isn't in any way a defense of the Islamic Republic of Iran.

00:21:26.520 There are a bunch of insane theocrats.

00:21:28.520 But it's equally insane to look at the experience of Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya and Syria and say we should trust Benjamin Netanyahu because he told us that these were good ideas.

00:21:40.520 Let's let him have another go.

00:21:42.520 Yeah, his great ideas led to millions coming into Europe.

00:21:45.520 And now we're dealing with grooming gangs in the United Kingdom and the changes of our laws that will lead to an Islamophobia definition coming in that would ban us from being able to discuss it without having to look over our shoulders.

00:21:56.520 Exactly.

00:21:57.520 So the consequences of him trying to defend his nation by destabilizing Middle Eastern countries has led to the whole scale destruction in part of the European continent.

00:22:07.520 And if the Iranian regime falls and all of these refugees and political exiles from Iran, well, Israel's not going to want them in Syria or Lebanon or any of its neighboring countries, are they?

00:22:18.520 So they're all going to come to Europe.

00:22:19.520 Of course.

00:22:20.520 Yes.

00:22:21.520 And we saw that in Syria.

00:22:22.520 First, a whole load who didn't like the regime that was in place.

00:22:25.520 So they left.

00:22:26.520 And now we've got a whole new load of coming over because we've got ISIS terrorists who were welcoming in our arms and shaking their arms and giving them big hugs despite the fact they've been beheading people for the last 10 or 15 years.

00:22:37.520 What lovely individuals were bringing in.

00:22:39.520 Yes.

00:22:40.520 All because of this policy.

00:22:41.520 Yes.

00:22:42.520 And it will happen.

00:22:43.520 Exactly.

00:22:44.520 And so what I wanted to do in this segment was just to explain how these decisions are being made.

00:22:50.520 This wasn't a spur of the moment decision where negotiations had failed and where really it became necessary to do a demonstrative strike or something.

00:23:00.520 The strikes happened because negotiations could have succeeded.

00:23:05.520 And for the Israelis, it was not acceptable to allow the Iranian regime to survive under reduced sanctions and with more inspection of its nuclear program.

00:23:18.520 I would have argued that this would have guaranteed regime change in a few years time.

00:23:22.520 The supreme leader of Iran, Khamenei, is 85.

00:23:26.520 He's not well.

00:23:27.520 He doesn't have a clear successor.

00:23:29.520 The Islamic revolution's idea of exporting the revolution had already failed.

00:23:34.520 They could have made a deal.

00:23:36.520 There was still a possibility there.

00:23:38.520 That would have probably brought about the end of the regime through the Iranians own machinations and internal politics.

00:23:45.520 Now, Netanyahu has helped resuscitate this regime, guaranteed the destruction of the Iranian economy, guaranteed massive outflows of people that will head into Europe.

00:23:57.520 And all of this because he's always had this ideology that we want to take vengeance on these regimes and destroy them.

00:24:04.520 Yeah.

00:24:05.520 As if having a million Gaddafis running around in Libya is better than having one Gaddafi.

00:24:09.520 Or as if having a million Assad's or Saddam's running around in Syria and Iraq was better than having one of each.

00:24:15.520 Yeah.

00:24:16.520 And so this is a disastrous mistake.

00:24:20.520 And this was decided on much earlier, 25 years ago.

00:24:26.520 And they've just killed the possibility of a peaceful settlement.

00:24:31.520 Which is more, well, not more palatable, but is something that you can roll your eyes at more if it weren't for the fact that Trump had basically identified himself as the anti-war candidate.

00:24:43.520 The anti-continuity for the deep state candidate.

00:24:46.520 The anti-corruption candidate.

00:24:48.520 And the America First candidate.

00:24:50.520 Somebody expressed it as you could vote for whoever you want, but you'll always get John McCain.

00:24:55.520 Yeah.

00:24:56.520 And that pretty much seems to be it.

00:24:57.520 And do you think when we're looking at this, it's the imperative rather than letting him die over a period of time.

00:25:04.520 And the regime would naturally have changed, whether it was another Mueller, whether it was another kind of secular, more secular leader with a little bit more power and influence.

00:25:13.520 It's that pressure that's happening in Russia-Ukraine war as well that's bogged down.

00:25:19.520 And the Iranian links into there, the kind of fact that they're providing weapons.

00:25:23.520 It's keeping the economy of Russia going with the trade that's between the two of them.

00:25:27.520 They also see this as a potential opportunity to say we can kill two birds with one stone.

00:25:31.520 By having this destabilizing effect, we're having a real impact on Russia too.

00:25:36.520 But the reason the Iranians have rubbish air defense is because they didn't trust the Chinese or the Russians to install a full integrated air defense.

00:25:46.520 Everything from radars to AWACS to multiple layers of defense, etc.

00:25:52.520 They wanted to do it themselves.

00:25:53.520 Yeah.

00:25:54.520 Now you're giving them no choice.

00:25:56.520 So in a sense, everything that is done to weaken Iran and Russia ends up strengthening China and giving China a better hand and more access to Russian resources and Iranian resources.

00:26:06.520 I think that's partly what we're going to bring out on that because I was going to say this also enables China.

00:26:11.520 One thing that China will do is we know that they're pretty much embedded to a certain extent with the Iranian military.

00:26:18.520 They will have been watching how the bombers came across on the scene and they'll be getting valuable intelligence from this in order to protect themselves.

00:26:29.520 They may also, in my view, I think this also enhances Taiwan's demise.

00:26:33.520 Yes.

00:26:34.520 I think China now will move much more quickly because if they, in an embedded war, longer period of time, destabilization, particularly if it required boots on the ground,

00:26:43.520 do you not think this is an opportunity for China to say, America's now got a war going on with military there?

00:26:49.520 Take ours because it's spreading their opportunities.

00:26:53.520 Yes.

00:26:54.520 And it also means that given what's just happened, nobody can trust the US in any negotiation.

00:26:58.520 Like you just can't negotiate with the Americans.

00:27:00.520 That's the conclusion.

00:27:01.520 That is it.

00:27:02.520 Shall we read a couple of comments before we run out of time?

00:27:04.520 Yes.

00:27:05.520 All right then.

00:27:06.520 So I've got...

00:27:07.520 One big one.

00:27:08.520 There we go.

00:27:09.520 I've got...

00:27:10.520 Oh, thank you, Samson.

00:27:11.520 So for, I just want to say, for $200, a very, very generous amount of money, Blood for the Blood God said,

00:27:20.520 you guys look mighty thirsty here, some pub money, a warm day at work.

00:27:25.520 Yeah, we'll all be in the beer garden.

00:27:27.520 We will be.

00:27:28.520 On a Monday evening.

00:27:29.520 Monday evening.

00:27:30.520 Yes.

00:27:31.520 Monday evening.

00:27:32.520 I'm not here tomorrow, so it's fine.

00:27:33.520 I'm okay.

00:27:34.520 Thanks, Blood God.

00:27:35.520 So thank you very much for that.

00:27:36.520 Habsification says, Iran is an ethnic patchwork, 60% Persians.

00:27:40.520 15%, 24% Azeris, 7% to 10% Kurds, 2% to 3% Arab, 2% everything else.

00:27:47.520 And only 32% Shia, 5% Sunni and 3% Sufi.

00:27:52.520 Pandora's box is about to be open and cause a mess.

00:27:55.520 Yes.

00:27:56.520 And the problem is as well that it's always the worst that rise to the top.

00:28:01.520 Yes.

00:28:02.520 Because it's always the one who's prepared to do the most Machiavellian brutal things.

00:28:05.520 Exactly.

00:28:06.520 In order to climb for power.

00:28:07.520 Exactly.

00:28:08.520 The Engaged Few says, oh no it's, thank you, says, ironic that you reference the song

00:28:15.520 1999 since the first line of the song is, I was dreaming when I wrote this.

00:28:20.520 That's brilliant.

00:28:21.520 Brilliant.

00:28:22.520 I did get the ear wrong, but I was close to it.

00:28:24.520 Yes.

00:28:25.520 Sigil Stone says, all the worst people love this, love this bombing campaign.

00:28:30.520 I've heard all I need to oppose it wholeheartedly.

00:28:33.520 Well yeah, if John Bolton's on the side of it, then you know...

00:28:36.520 It's a bad idea.

00:28:37.520 You know it's a bad idea.

00:28:38.520 You know it's going to turn up badly.

00:28:39.520 Exactly.

00:28:40.520 I'll just do one more.

00:28:41.520 Logan17punt says, why does it feel like we have a worm tongue next to our king?

00:28:47.520 Yep.

00:28:48.520 Yeah, well...

00:28:50.520 We've got quite a few coming in, haven't we?

00:28:52.520 Yes.

00:28:53.520 We've got a lot of...

00:28:54.520 Yeah.

00:28:55.520 Yeah.

00:28:56.520 We've got a few more comments.

00:28:57.520 I'll whip on this unless we've got that.

00:28:59.520 Thanks a lot.

00:29:00.520 So, one of the consequences we've looked at is obviously the impact of what the relationships

00:29:07.520 with China would be, what would happen internally in Iran to its population.

00:29:12.520 The impact we briefly talked about coming across, I think, is one of the aspects of

00:29:17.520 looking at regime change or a war in Iran is people movement across the globe and the

00:29:22.520 total destabilization.

00:29:24.520 And the idea that you can put in, you know, our mates in charge, just replacing one wealthy

00:29:29.520 regime of individuals with another regime.

00:29:32.520 Yep.

00:29:33.520 The communists did that, didn't they?

00:29:34.520 They got rid of the czars and just put their own czars in place.

00:29:37.520 That's all that we're looking at when you look at regime change.

00:29:39.520 But one of the most immediate impacts to us would be if we go to war or the Iranians carry

00:29:46.520 out exactly what they said the very following days, that the Iran Parliament approved closing

00:29:51.520 the Strait of Hormuz after the U.S. strike.

00:29:56.520 And so they officially went with their Parliament, whether we agree it's a democracy or not.

00:30:01.520 But I can't see any country in the world, if they've been attacked and bombed, that would

00:30:06.520 not use the only influence that they've got as a Parliament as a whole, because anyone who

00:30:10.520 opposed it would actually be probably thrown in jail even in this country.

00:30:14.520 Yes.

00:30:15.520 And we're seeing that now for those who want to have a different idea.

00:30:19.520 But the Strait of Hormuz here is a very clear, important trading route across the globe, 27%

00:30:26.520 of the world's oil trade, 20% of liquid gas.

00:30:29.520 And I'm just going to go through a couple of things.

00:30:31.520 So those people who don't know where it is, it's there right in the middle of a bottom

00:30:37.520 of Iran, close to the United Arab Emirates.

00:30:41.520 It's a very small...

00:30:43.520 And Oman.

00:30:44.520 And Oman.

00:30:45.520 And it's a very small area, because as I come in, I get a close-up on it.

00:30:48.520 I want to show people the wider picture.

00:30:50.520 And then you come in and you see here, this very small element, a couple of islands in there.

00:30:55.520 And you see the West's favourites of UAE and Oman on one side, and the West's hated country,

00:31:02.520 Iran on the other.

00:31:03.520 And that little area there, as you say, is transporting 27% of the world's oil and about

00:31:10.520 20% of LPG all across the globe, from Saudi Arabia and from Iran itself in oil products

00:31:18.520 that go on, then, to be used in the production of manufactured products to the oil and petrol

00:31:25.520 that we see in our cars.

00:31:26.520 So, clearly, a very important part when you're looking at over 25%, nearly a third, of the

00:31:31.520 world's oil being transported for a very small area.

00:31:35.520 And just to give you some idea, this is the threats are blockaded there.

00:31:39.520 You see these, it's a very tight turn in that corner.

00:31:43.520 And the shipping elements, you've got deep shipping lanes, is even more narrow on there.

00:31:48.520 So, it's an easy element.

00:31:49.520 And you can see just on the right there where Bahrain is, where you've got the HQ of the

00:31:54.520 US Fifth Fleet, which they believe is now safe because they've bombed enough of what they

00:31:59.520 think is the Iranians' military not to actually attack it if Hormuz is closed.

00:32:06.520 So, there we have an element that's showing the deep shipping lanes, the amount of oil that's

00:32:13.520 transported.

00:32:14.520 I'm just going to whip through this one because it's a bit of a broader view of that same thing.

00:32:19.520 Now, what we've got here from the US Energy Information Administration, it says that Straits

00:32:24.520 of Hormuz remains a critical choke point.

00:32:27.520 And we can see here some of the products, crude and oil and condesates, how those levels

00:32:33.520 have been roughly over the past five years.

00:32:38.520 They've stabilized after Ukraine, but they're still pretty high despite the fact that we're

00:32:42.520 adding wind energy and other forms of energy to try and dispense with this.

00:32:49.520 And what I like about when you read this article for people, it talks about some of the impacts

00:32:53.520 on the price of Brent crude oil.

00:32:56.520 We immediately jumped up only $5 on this.

00:32:59.520 But if you look where some of the estimates are, it's a concern that if it is closed, it

00:33:04.520 will go $120, $130.

00:33:07.520 So a good 40% higher than where we are, maybe 50 straight away.

00:33:12.520 And if you look at what happened in Ukraine when we had Ukraine, it was stabilized about

00:33:16.520 $120.

00:33:17.520 Did any of us think we're living in a time of plenty when those oil prices there?

00:33:21.520 What did it happen to your house costs and your jobs?

00:33:24.520 Yes.

00:33:25.520 So this is a really important point that the choke points are in there.

00:33:31.520 And you've got to add one more detail, which is that the, if you go back to the map, the

00:33:36.520 previous map.

00:33:37.520 Yeah, there.

00:33:38.520 So you've got the Bab el-Mendab Strait as well, which is controlled by the Houthi.

00:33:44.520 And they managed to shut it down even in the face of American airstrikes until the U.S. negotiated

00:33:50.520 a separate deal supposedly behind Israel's backs for the reopening of Bab el-Mendab to American shipping,

00:33:59.520 but not to Israeli shipping.

00:34:01.520 So there are two choke points here that are very much under Iranian influence.

00:34:06.520 And Bab el-Mendab obviously leads to the Suez Canal, which is one of the key arteries for global trade.

00:34:14.520 So there is this additional dimension.

00:34:17.520 And the Houthi have said that they're going to join the Iranians if there is a shutdown of Hormuz.

00:34:24.520 They'll also shut down Bab el-Mendab to do their part.

00:34:27.520 So it becomes a serious complicating factor here.

00:34:31.520 It doesn't destroy the global economy or damage it as much as a big spike in oil prices,

00:34:39.520 but it's an additional complication and it's a big problem.

00:34:42.520 And I think that's an important point to see that when we get choke points,

00:34:46.520 that will mean that the Americans will have to step in to go in there.

00:34:50.520 They'll go in there.

00:34:51.520 And this causes a broader, broader conflict that will rise.

00:34:54.520 Yes.

00:34:55.520 And you've got the IE saying at the moment the world can't afford to relax about oil security.

00:35:02.520 This is a pretty interesting article in the way that they say they talked about tax in Saudi Arabia.

00:35:07.520 Then they moved on. Is oil under pressure?

00:35:10.520 The trends in oil intensity there, they're still looking pretty high despite everything.

00:35:15.520 That's their main point.

00:35:16.520 The trends in GDP per capita based on oil is there.

00:35:21.520 We're not as high as the 70s and 80s, but it's improving in terms of the stabilization of our economy.

00:35:27.520 And that's why Bank of England can say we'll look at interest rates falling, which helps your mortgage prices.

00:35:33.520 So they're saying if you look at this coming through.

00:35:37.520 But one of the points I wanted to pull from this is if you look at China, India and Southeast Asia,

00:35:43.520 which we're going to come on to importantly as well.

00:35:46.520 China, big friend obviously of Iran for lots of economic reasons.

00:35:50.520 You can see how many millions of barrels of oil a day they're requiring from this.

00:35:55.520 They're up to like 14 out of the 50 million barrels of oil a day that's coming out of there.

00:36:01.520 They're the biggest recipients as a particular nation.

00:36:04.520 India, they're up nearly nine, eight between eight and nine going in there.

00:36:09.520 And Southeast Asia also around eight.

00:36:11.520 So you're looking at literally over half of the oil is actually going to those three nations.

00:36:16.520 And what do they produce for us?

00:36:18.520 Lots of things we've discussed before.

00:36:20.520 Yep.

00:36:21.520 So if you end up basically with an oil shutdown, everything across the world becomes much more expensive

00:36:27.520 because the oil shortage drives up prices.

00:36:31.520 The Chinese economy stutters.

00:36:33.520 We're buying everything from China.

00:36:35.520 Thanks to the same stupid politicians who gave us the Iraq and Afghanistan and Libya and Syrian wars.

00:36:41.520 Yes.

00:36:42.520 And so this ends up with a big knock on effect on everything economic if it happens.

00:36:50.520 Yes.

00:36:51.520 Now there's a lot of questions on the Iranians ability to do this and how much damage they could do.

00:36:55.520 Yeah.

00:36:56.520 Especially since the U.S. Navy won't be sitting idly by.

00:37:00.520 But even then, the increase in prices and the increase of insurance premiums will be felt across the board in the global economy,

00:37:11.520 even accepting the possibility that the Iranians won't have 100% success and that any success that they have will be temporary.

00:37:19.520 Yeah.

00:37:20.520 It's a suicide option for them.

00:37:22.520 But if it's a regime change war against them...

00:37:25.520 Why not?

00:37:26.520 Why not?

00:37:27.520 Exactly.

00:37:28.520 So don't put crazy people in a corner seems to be a wise policy across the board.

00:37:34.520 You know, I get the feeling there's big round tables like this with a whole load of, like, warming during...

00:37:41.520 And guys thinking this is our great opportunity to once again be like our fathers and grandfathers of the past.

00:37:47.520 And look, let's hope that they bomb one of our ships, because if they bomb one of our ships, then we can move everybody else in.

00:37:55.520 And that's the sort of war games that's going through their heads.

00:37:58.520 And look, just for people who want to read this kind of particular article, it talks about the difference in the crude oil that's being processed as well.

00:38:06.520 Yes.

00:38:07.520 You know, it's a big impact on Japan and Korea because they require more, 70% here it says, of the processed refinery for Japan and Korea.

00:38:15.520 It would decimate Japan and Korea initially because they are so reliant on this particular type of oil, even though they receive less than the Chinese and the Indians.

00:38:25.520 But they are one of the bigger players in terms of the overall market.

00:38:29.520 And then I look at the implications on tensions to the global economy.

00:38:34.520 This is from JP Morgan's reports.

00:38:36.520 I've got two I've put up for people here, one 2025 and one 2024.

00:38:42.520 This, I think, is the 2025 one, just to make sure.

00:38:47.520 I've got, yeah, published four days ago.

00:38:49.520 This is actually less phlegmatic about the implication.

00:38:54.520 It does talk about the fact we've had a spike recently of $61 to 78p per barrel.

00:38:59.520 And I'll come to the implications of what that means on the streets for those from the UK or watching.

00:39:04.520 I'm not sure necessarily about the US because you're protected a lot more by your own markets and the national oil kind of security that they provided themselves.

00:39:15.520 This is to your point, Farad.

00:39:17.520 So this says Iran only has 4% of global oil productions.

00:39:21.520 Its monthly exports are only about 1.7 million barrels per day.

00:39:26.520 So it has a massive impact on them if they cut it off because it's a big, big earner.

00:39:31.520 Big impacts, though, Saudi Arabia and UAE coming through there.

00:39:36.520 Looking through this on, that's a little annoying, the shares of global oil down there.

00:39:42.520 It goes on to talk about inflation and interest rates here.

00:39:46.520 So this is a very shorter one compared to the 2005.

00:39:49.520 But they talk about the shocks that will be generated in wage demands, sustained inflationary pressures, monetary policy leading to tightening.

00:39:57.520 And we've already had a period of, think of growth in this country, no growth whatsoever.

00:40:01.520 Yep.

00:40:02.520 A little bit better and more in depth is their 2024.

00:40:06.520 I'm going to skip the top because I want people, because it's the same sort of overview.

00:40:10.520 And they talk about what we're watching.

00:40:13.520 This is where we invaded Ukraine.

00:40:17.520 This is where it's come down and why we've had a period.

00:40:21.520 And that's quite a substantial fall.

00:40:22.520 That's significant, yes.

00:40:23.520 It's a significant fall, 130 to 70 over 50%.

00:40:27.520 And we've not seen a 50% cut in oil prices in our pumps or even the energy costs, despite it falling 50%.

00:40:36.520 Well, we can thank Ed Miliband, yes.

00:40:37.520 And we can certainly do that, absolutely.

00:40:39.520 And we've had a little bit of play between, you know, 80 and 90.

00:40:42.520 But I just want people to think about the fact that our energy costs are so high now, and yet we're back to the levels of pre-Ukraine in terms of the war.

00:40:53.520 And if you look at the bottom of that where we are and bottom there, okay, that's the spike we've had recently, because everyone's worried about it.

00:41:00.520 But this is where we were.

00:41:02.520 And we're already in dire straits.

00:41:03.520 Yes.

00:41:04.520 If this spikes up again to 120, 130 or potentially $160, which is referenced in some of the reports that I've been seeing, then we would be absolutely crucified.

00:41:18.520 Yes.

00:41:19.520 As a nation.

00:41:20.520 Yep.

00:41:21.520 I think there's a broader conflict, which is your point at hand, and I agree with that.

00:41:24.520 I think the risk of transit disruption, again, the points that you've both raised today, are very important.

00:41:29.520 The cost of insurance.

00:41:30.520 But overall, if they decide to go to the nuclear option, now, we then need to analyse some of the aspects.

00:41:38.520 The impact of the Russian invasion, I'm going to move across quickly looking on times.

00:41:43.520 But we know this.

00:41:44.520 It began in 2022.

00:41:46.520 The OBR talked about inflation peaking at 9% at the end of 2020.

00:41:51.520 Well, that's an interesting one.

00:41:52.520 9% at the period of 2022.

00:41:56.520 I've obviously aged a lot since there.

00:41:58.520 So, well done, CEPR.

00:42:01.520 But you get the point.

00:42:02.520 So, we've got this overall, why is it important?

00:42:05.520 There it is.

00:42:06.520 Narrow lane.

00:42:07.520 Lots of oil going through.

00:42:08.520 Very important types of oil for some countries like Japan.

00:42:12.520 Yep.

00:42:13.520 The military bases of America surrounding the whole area.

00:42:16.520 The Houthis on one side.

00:42:18.520 Close it down.

00:42:19.520 Cut it off.

00:42:20.520 Shut it off.

00:42:21.520 Has an impact bigger than we faced in Ukraine.

00:42:23.520 9% inflation.

00:42:25.520 So, just, I think this one is just a quick one for everyone.

00:42:28.520 How energy prices for the UK person.

00:42:32.520 You've got to think about it.

00:42:33.520 It goes down there.

00:42:34.520 For every $10 higher, and we just had $13 in the last couple of days.

00:42:39.520 Yep.

00:42:40.520 Get out and buy your oil and your petrol.

00:42:42.520 Fill your tank today.

00:42:43.520 Because by the end of the week, this will increase 7 to 8p per $10.

00:42:48.520 If it goes up from where we are now at $78 to $130,

00:42:53.520 you're looking at adding another 40p per litre on your car.

00:42:58.520 This is painful.

00:42:59.520 Absolutely.

00:43:00.520 And I'm sure when Keir Starmer supports this,

00:43:03.520 he's sort of thinking about the British consumer and the welfare of the British consumer.

00:43:08.520 I imagine he is with his free car and he's just working out who else is going to pay for him.

00:43:13.520 But I just find it interesting that, you know, as an aside, how many MPs from the Labour Party or any political party

00:43:21.520 are going to reference the cost of living crisis to ourselves as a consequence of supporting this?

00:43:27.520 How many will talk about mass immigration that will, as a result, we may get Rupert Lowe talk about that, but very few others will.

00:43:34.520 Yes.

00:43:35.520 In the end, all of them will fall to support this idea just as they supported Afghanistan,

00:43:40.520 just as they supported Iraq, and just as they supported everything else.

00:43:44.520 And it's kind of sod the consequences.

00:43:46.520 Yes.

00:43:47.520 For the citizens of Europe.

00:43:48.520 That's fundamentally that.

00:43:49.520 Who can't afford it.

00:43:50.520 After 30 years, I'm kind of used to it.

00:43:52.520 Yeah.

00:43:53.520 Well, it is.

00:43:54.520 I mean, isn't it slightly depressing that, you know, with a bit of logic and a bit of history and a bit of common sense,

00:44:01.520 you can bring all of these together.

00:44:03.520 You can point it out and it's like taking the horses to water and none of them will drink it.

00:44:09.520 They'd rather poison themselves.

00:44:11.520 The thinking for the Americans could be much more cynical than that.

00:44:13.520 The thinking for the Americans could be, we know this is going to damage Europe enormously.

00:44:18.520 We know that this is going to damage Asia enormously.

00:44:21.520 Therefore, it is good for us because we have our own energy reserves and we have Canada's energy reserves.

00:44:28.520 Yes.

00:44:29.520 So the thinking for the Americans could be considerably more cynical.

00:44:32.520 And if you accept that the US is in decline and if you accept that China has its own structural problems,

00:44:39.520 one way of deeply increasing the structural problems facing the rest of the world, more so than it does for the United States,

00:44:48.520 is to have a policy that closes the American border, but that also disrupts all of Europe and Asia at the same time.

00:44:56.520 So this is a way of strengthening the American empire at a time of general decay, which makes it even more diabolical in a sense.

00:45:07.520 I've got a line that's coming off, feeding off from what you're doing now.

00:45:12.520 It's just in terms of that intellectual line, do you think this now fits in quite comfortably with the idea of tariffs?

00:45:19.520 Yes.

00:45:20.520 Because he's already saying to the rest of the world, I'm going to ignore the impact on the rest of Europe and the Middle East and Asia,

00:45:26.520 because we're now forcing people to actually pay to sell their products to us and therefore increase in the level of income.

00:45:33.520 We will get a shock, but we're going to be insulated on the energy shocks because of the way we're dealing with it.

00:45:38.520 And by bringing products online, we're now insulating ourselves.

00:45:41.520 So that is going back to American first policy.

00:45:44.520 In July, the temporary exemptions for the tariffs that were initially announced expire.

00:45:53.520 And there haven't been any trade agreements that were signed.

00:45:56.520 And so in a very cynical way, the Americans end up with a stronger hand for these agreements if they have access to their own cheap energy and the rest of the world is facing energy chaos.

00:46:11.520 And they're much better off anyway.

00:46:13.520 And they're much better off anyway.

00:46:14.520 Yeah.

00:46:15.520 So this shows the importance of countries thinking for themselves.

00:46:21.520 It shows the insanity of Britain not developing North Sea resources.

00:46:26.520 Yes.

00:46:27.520 It shows the insanity of Europe shutting down nuclear.

00:46:31.520 It shows the whole madness of green energy and of the hostility to hydrocarbons and the hostility to Russia.

00:46:41.520 This is what this policy highlights.

00:46:44.520 Basically, you've handed your sovereignty and your economic lifeblood to the Americans.

00:46:50.520 And the Americans have proven that they won't learn from history and from bad military interventions.

00:46:56.520 And so long as other people suffer more than they do, this is acceptable.

00:47:01.520 So this is a level of cynicism that you just have to be accustomed to the diabolical to be able to think about clearly.

00:47:10.520 But it's really frustrating because whenever I go out to the States and you always find sensible heads out there who understand.

00:47:18.520 And they were part of the MAGA movement that I met.

00:47:21.520 They were part of the individuals who said, yeah, like me, we don't like what's happening in Iran.

00:47:25.520 We don't really like what's happening to an extent in Russia.

00:47:28.520 But we understand the reason why we're behind the idea of no wars is not to destabilize the economy because Europe is actually struggling heavily.

00:47:36.520 And we need to support you by closing the borders in our country, gives you the messages out there, returning freedom of speech book in our countries, returns, helps you in yours.

00:47:44.520 But in turn, there's a whole other bunch of Americans who are hidden behind, whether they call it the deep state, whether they call it the military industrial complex, is a cadre of elites out there who really don't like what the MAGA movement is as a whole, just as the anti-European, the European Union mob don't like anyone that's Brexit, who are just happy to say we want to continue with this empire.

00:48:09.520 And in a way, the rest of you can go and just find your own route out the way and will ignore you, where this band of real patriotic Americans who understand the importance of working with us are being ignored.

00:48:22.520 Yes.

00:48:23.520 Where do we see this now with the Trump kind of group?

00:48:27.520 Well, the big effect of Trump going into a war with Iran is to discredit the idea of America first and to sort of make the whole MAGA movement, America first movement seem as an impossibility.

00:48:43.520 You're basically discrediting elections.

00:48:45.520 It'll be interesting to see how much that punches during the midterms.

00:48:49.520 Yes.

00:48:50.520 As they come up.

00:48:51.520 Exactly.

00:48:52.520 I got a feeling that what they've done is this is the clever movement by the backdoor elites to actually put a puncture hole into the MAGA movement.

00:49:02.520 It separates those now who fully understand our side of the argument and those who say, no, we just got to protect Israel and bomb the hell out of Iran come what may.

00:49:11.520 And they like that because then that divides it.

00:49:14.520 And then it means that the Republican, the GOP have been sat there all along saying we can separate them now.

00:49:19.520 And it means that everybody who says I oppose interventions that the Israelis have supported gets cast as an anti-Semite.

00:49:28.520 Yes.

00:49:29.520 Or gets cast as an Iran apologist or as a Putin apologist or what have you.

00:49:34.520 It just provides a lot of additional ammunition for attacking genuine people who want their own people and their own countries placed first above the concerns of bankers, globalists, green energy lunatics, interventionists, etc., etc.

00:50:00.520 But then that will entirely just fracture all of the goodwill that Trump's campaign and, you know, Trump's first few months put back into the American system.

00:50:11.520 You know, the confidence with voters it put back into the institutions, a number of young men signing up to the military again after, you know, long stagnation.

00:50:21.820 And even further than that, it could be even more hazardous for them because if things escalate in Iran and you get regime change, you get America even further drawn into it, then what you're going to end up with is a lot of Americans at home who are now, you know, have fallen off of the MAGA train and actually just don't think democracy is worth it at all.

00:50:45.520 And then you've got a core component of, I know it's Republican, you know, it's a constitutional Republican, not a democracy, but you'll get, you know, the idea of voting, you know, and so people will resort eventually to other options as opposed to being drawn into foreign wars over and over again.

00:51:02.060 Given the influence of Palantir and given the capabilities of the surveillance state and given that the NSA is spying on everybody and in this country, same dynamics, all over Europe, same dynamics.

00:51:13.880 We know that, for example, the French made Telegram give them backdoor access to everything that is happening.

00:51:20.960 Yeah, and the pressuring on WhatsApp too.

00:51:22.440 Exactly.

00:51:23.640 So it just means that the surveillance state gets to pick off its enemies and pursue policies that are clearly not in anybody's interests, having pretty much sold all industrial capabilities to the Chinese and destroyed the ability of the West to provide itself with cheap energy.

00:51:43.800 It's simply, it's a level of extremism that people can't put their heads around, but it's very materialistic extremism, very hostile extremism, and it lacks any sense of Christian love for your own people.

00:52:00.900 The whole idea that the duty of the rulers is towards the ruled, that you are obligated to have care for the people that you're governing, that if you're well-off and God has bestowed upon you great power or great wealth, that leaves you with a larger obligation towards those around you.

00:52:20.800 This is completely absent from the minds of people who rule us because they are not Christian.

00:52:26.100 It's a kind of sheriff.

00:52:26.980 They're materialists.

00:52:27.820 It's a sheriff of Nottingham-style politics.

00:52:30.320 Yes.

00:52:30.460 As long as I'm there, I'll have a few friends around me who are doing very well.

00:52:34.960 Precisely.

00:52:35.360 But, you know, we will just try and steal and take whatever we can from the people, and every now and again, those who are opposing it, we'll chop them off.

00:52:44.380 I really like that framing.

00:52:45.680 Sheriff of Nottingham.

00:52:47.920 I'm going to try to whip through looking at the time because there may well be comments and we've got this, but there are some elements about it that we've got to consider in a depth.

00:52:55.560 One of those is China, and we talked about China being a very good friend at the moment with Iran, but they will actually have a major impact.

00:53:04.620 I think this is one of the points we picked up beforehand is that we've seen that they have a huge amount of importing from the cost of crude oil to them is $503 billion in 2024.

00:53:16.640 So that's a huge amount.

00:53:18.120 It is a little bit less.

00:53:19.180 I'm not sure if this is the article that shows they're saving a billion, is it a million barrels a day or whatever?

00:53:25.840 Is this the particular one?

00:53:26.980 But this just shows the level of crude oil that's been going to China.

00:53:31.620 Then the next one just goes to show, again, that picture that we saw early on but brought up for China, India and Southeast Asia, how it impacts them.

00:53:41.600 So, again, China's got a big, big element in this game here.

00:53:44.540 And what you have noticed, and I think this is, I'm glad you showed this one to me before we came on air, is I was looking for something to show about the stockpiling later on.

00:53:55.800 But China is stockpiling crude oil.

00:53:58.560 And maybe they've also been aware of what we're talking about, that America doesn't care what's going to happen.

00:54:03.720 We will go in and disrupt.

00:54:05.940 So they have actually been adding more than one million barrels per day to its strategic and commercial stockpiles.

00:54:13.560 Yes. So they import around 11 to 12 million barrels per day.

00:54:17.860 They have a massive refining capacity that the rest of the world also depends on.

00:54:22.880 And they're stockpiling essentially more than 10% of what they consume every day.

00:54:29.160 Yep.

00:54:29.880 With the idea being that they need a reserve precisely for this kind of...

00:54:34.380 They're preparing for war too.

00:54:35.940 They're preparing for war as well.

00:54:37.080 And if they end up facing the Americans in Taiwan and somehow the Americans blockade Chinese ports, they will need that oil reserve in order to survive.

00:54:47.020 So it's...

00:54:47.820 And you looked at that there at that bottom figure I found interesting as well.

00:54:51.240 The 13.92 barrels of crude oil that is being refined as well.

00:54:55.500 So they're stepping up in terms of that level.

00:54:58.360 Yep.

00:54:58.660 And you've got the other big player in the region.

00:55:00.360 We talked about India.

00:55:02.620 Sorry, I thought this was about India here.

00:55:07.120 Maybe I've just come out here.

00:55:08.380 Yeah.

00:55:08.600 Well, it will impact India.

00:55:10.180 50% of its LNG imports flow through this route.

00:55:14.060 And 40% of India's oil.

00:55:15.980 Bearing in mind that the kind of whole of the Trump view at the moment is trying to shift products from China,

00:55:23.060 a lot of companies have been flowing into India for cheap labor and cheap oil.

00:55:28.120 So if they hit that, they reckon it will increase their costs 20%, 25%,

00:55:32.420 which are huge for the costs coming across to the rest of us.

00:55:36.280 Now, the kind of fly or protective fly in the ointment is that the IEA are estimating that the highest levels of strategic reserves that they've ever done.

00:55:46.440 So that kind of gets to me.

00:55:47.600 This is July 2019.

00:55:49.320 So I expect it to be more.

00:55:50.500 So countries hold about 1.5 billion barrels of oil for emergencies.

00:55:58.460 So looking at that, they've got significant amounts, and you've got 2.9 billion above the higher average.

00:56:06.340 This reminds me of what happened in the miner's strikes in the UK.

00:56:10.820 The miner's strikes hurt us in the 70s.

00:56:13.480 So Thatcher encouraged stockpiling of coke and coal.

00:56:19.180 And we also got the deals with other countries to being able to import more when we had a miner's strike.

00:56:25.800 So it strikes me that some of these countries have been preparing for this particular moment,

00:56:30.620 particularly if we're looking at the history you've talked about.

00:56:33.340 So I would say we're looking at what can be done.

00:56:36.920 Well, obviously, you can store it and save it for a while.

00:56:39.520 Then militarily, and I suppose diplomatically, China has asked, US has asked China to tell Iran not to retaliate against Israel.

00:56:49.400 That was before.

00:56:50.580 And then they've come in and said, now that they have it retaliated, and Israel have bombed and sent them retaliated back.

00:56:58.140 Will you please, China, dissuade Iran from closing the Straits of Hormuz?

00:57:01.720 I find those two quite peculiar.

00:57:05.060 I think they're trying to humiliate the Chinese.

00:57:08.040 I think they're pushing the Iranians into a corner very deliberately.

00:57:11.560 And I think that this is more nefarious than it appears.

00:57:16.360 This is a war of choice that wasn't necessary.

00:57:20.900 And the consequences are, some of them are at least intended.

00:57:26.380 Let's put it this way.

00:57:27.300 I think there is intention, and I'm going to finish with this in the sense that if China is not able to do this,

00:57:33.780 if America threats do not stop the Straits of Hormuz being closed,

00:57:38.300 then you've always got what Trump said at the end of the day,

00:57:40.680 which is if they close the Straits of Hormuz, and I can't find a link,

00:57:43.440 someone else, if they can, send it to us, is that we'll bomb them.

00:57:48.000 Solves everything.

00:57:48.760 Solves everything.

00:57:49.800 Yeah.

00:57:50.220 I don't know if there's comments, but...

00:57:52.180 Yeah, I can have a look through.

00:57:53.680 May I just borrow the map?

00:57:54.680 Yeah, sure.

00:57:55.340 I'll go through them.

00:57:56.220 A simple fact with regard to Iran, if the Trump admin in the MAGA base,

00:58:00.580 if Trump breaks his promise about boots on the ground, the base splits.

00:58:04.100 Otherwise, most will give Trump the benefit of a doubt.

00:58:06.540 Yeah, quite possibly.

00:58:08.960 Neil Unrealist, the idea that Trump hasn't spent the last two decades saying Iran should not be allowed to have nukes is absurd.

00:58:15.760 Correct.

00:58:16.260 He's been saying that for the last decade.

00:58:18.580 He said so during campaign October 9, 2024, in the Flagrant podcast.

00:58:22.640 He says what he means.

00:58:23.440 Correct.

00:58:24.620 He also says that these wars are stupid, though.

00:58:27.720 So he could have not meant that.

00:58:30.800 And hedonism, could it be just maybe with nuclear production ability gone, we no longer have cause for future conflict with Iran?

00:58:38.160 Why assume this means a larger conflict, not less?

00:58:41.420 There's no Iran-U.S. war coming.

00:58:43.440 Well, I hope you're right.

00:58:44.700 Yeah.

00:58:44.820 That's all I can say to you.

00:58:45.920 And then Logan, 17, Pine, everything within the state, nothing outside the state, total party control.

00:58:54.180 Yep.

00:58:55.480 They have fiscation.

00:58:56.380 If Iran destabilizes, no one is speaking about the potential outside actors like Turkey and Azerbaijan ginning up further issues.

00:59:02.580 Yes, they definitely would, including the Pakistanis, including the Arabs.

00:59:07.400 Everybody would try to sort of break up Iran into a smaller Persian core.

00:59:14.000 And that would lead to a massive civil war that, A, the 250,000 Christians in Iran, these guys would be all out.

00:59:20.000 That'd be dead.

00:59:20.360 And the few thousand Jews who are in Iran, these guys would be relocated to Israel.

00:59:25.980 And then the rest would sort of walk until they get to Europe.

00:59:31.320 Yep.

00:59:31.880 That's all right.

00:59:32.320 I've got it.

00:59:32.900 Thank you.

00:59:33.020 All right.

00:59:34.180 All right, then, ladies and gentlemen.

00:59:36.000 So I want to talk about some recent events, of course, because recent events are popular and good, always.

00:59:43.620 Never any bad news around here, as there are in Britain.

00:59:45.860 But, you know, to go back to a segment that I was talking about last week, in fact.

00:59:52.200 So the wonderful thing about England is that in every town and city, you can find some story of its history that is being really important in some way or another.

01:00:03.660 And one of those is Tilbury.

01:00:05.960 And the reason that I bring up Tilbury is because in the English mind, if you mention Tilbury, if you enjoy history, if you're a history buff,

01:00:15.080 is that it's where Queen Elizabeth I and her men, she gave a speech at Tilbury.

01:00:22.200 Have you got the lines?

01:00:23.740 Oh, no.

01:00:24.160 I've not got the lines.

01:00:24.920 I've not got the lines.

01:00:26.460 I may.

01:00:27.240 I had to hold myself back.

01:00:29.440 Oh, yeah.

01:00:29.960 It was kept in the jacket.

01:00:31.380 I may not have the body of a man, but I have the body of a king of England.

01:00:35.140 Yes.

01:00:35.640 Words to that effect.

01:00:36.560 I've used it in many speeches in the past.

01:00:38.420 It's absolutely a gem of a line.

01:00:40.440 It's a great speech.

01:00:41.340 Gem of a line.

01:00:41.880 It's a great speech.

01:00:42.780 However, and, you know, this was obviously in the face of potential of Spanish invasion and the Spanish Armada.

01:00:50.860 And so you might think of Tilbury and remember, you know, that great story from English history.

01:00:56.080 But there's another story from Tilbury that the establishment wants you to know that is even more important and even greater avenue of myth-making of what England is, what modern Britain is, and who we should be.

01:01:11.300 And that, of course, is the fact that it was recently the 77th anniversary of the SS Empire Windrush coming from the Caribbean with many, many Jamaicans and, you know, people from Trinidad and British Guyana.

01:01:26.900 And this is just over a period of about 30 years, with this being the beginning, we had what we now call the Windrush generation coming to Britain.

01:01:36.740 And this has been basically a day of national celebration for the politicians.

01:01:44.600 This marks the new enlightenment into Britain because we were a backwards terrible people until the diversity came, showed us the error of our ways.

01:01:56.980 And what true culture, what true cuisine, what true philosophy, all of these things really were.

01:02:04.600 I was just looking at that boat and thinking, why did Natasha Irons actually allow that to be gone?

01:02:09.560 Because the boat's white.

01:02:12.800 Surely, surely there's something wrong in that picture.

01:02:14.860 And this is a constant thing you'll see, the quote attributed to it, which is from a poem, I think, by one of the Windrush people.

01:02:23.940 You called and we came.

01:02:26.020 I'll explore that a little bit later.

01:02:28.860 It's not, no button working there, it's alright.

01:02:31.160 So I just want to play.

01:02:33.440 Today is a day of celebrating the Windrush generation, the first nurses, the first midwives in our NHS, the veterans who returned after fighting for freedom in the Second World War, some coming back to serve again, the construction workers who literally helped build back after the war, the transport staff, the teachers, the shop owners, the cleaners.

01:02:55.860 There was a rebuilding of our country and actually shaping what became modern Britain.

01:03:01.200 I'm here to make good on the promise that we made.

01:03:04.280 We launched the £1.5 million Windrush Compensation Advocacy Support Fund, hugely important to help organisations provide advocacy and support for applicants.

01:03:15.620 And I'm delighted that today we announced the new Windrush Commissioner, the Reverend Clive Fostag.

01:03:22.760 And we need to be really clear, learn the lessons, so an injustice like that can never happen again.

01:03:30.420 I'm going to unpack all of this.

01:03:32.040 Yes, Firas.

01:03:32.820 I was just, yeah.

01:03:34.080 I had a bunch of questions.

01:03:35.700 Firstly, injustice against who?

01:03:37.180 The British or the Windrush people?

01:03:39.000 The Windrush.

01:03:39.900 We've never suffered an injustice ever.

01:03:41.960 No.

01:03:42.300 Okay, fair enough.

01:03:43.180 The second one is, does being on benefits count as reparations?

01:03:47.160 No, you get that and reparations as well.

01:03:49.980 Just, I wanted to do that.

01:03:52.300 You see, for me, I was looking at that last line, he says, so we can have a commissioner here, so this could never happen again.

01:04:00.640 So the legacy of the channel migrant generation who laid the foundations for modern Britain.

01:04:08.180 We will obviously have a channel migrants commissioner in a few years' time.

01:04:13.980 Yes.

01:04:14.620 So this here, though, but I really want to dwell on this, these two words, because they're proper establishment words, which is just modern Britain.

01:04:24.660 Because really what you're looking at here, and the reason that this is trotted out, the reason that you have garden parties at 10 Downing Street like this, the reason that all of this language is used, is because it's essentially the French Revolution of Britain, right?

01:04:39.480 What it's trying to do is bring Britain to year zero, right?

01:04:44.040 So there is old Britain, the bad, white supremacist, evil Britain of the past.

01:04:49.780 And the slave trade globally, these white supremacists, yes.

01:04:53.060 Yes, but enough of those facts.

01:04:55.380 Keep them to yourself, all right?

01:04:56.800 The truth get in the way of a good story.

01:04:58.160 But also, there's another important part of this, which is that obviously modern Britain is simply by words for diverse Britain.

01:05:07.300 And the point of that is that it's no longer, it decentralizes the British people from the creators of their own civilization.

01:05:16.640 Okay, so what you have is now after post-World War, we don't have, we weren't the most important people in the story of Britain.

01:05:25.160 In modern Britain, everyone has contributed, everyone has an equal level of importance, right?

01:05:32.000 No, I disagree. I don't think everybody has an equal level of importance.

01:05:36.100 No, no, but this is their knowledge.

01:05:37.820 Those people who came over in Windrush had a greater level of importance.

01:05:42.380 Those who came over from Africa as a consequence of what was happening in Uganda, they had a greater level of influence.

01:05:51.680 Those people who've come from Pakistan had a greater level of influence.

01:05:54.520 All I hear from the MPs who are spouting this nonsense is that these people had a greater level of influence.

01:06:01.560 They built Britain.

01:06:03.240 Yes.

01:06:03.620 I think the correct counter to the notion of modern Britain is ancient Britain.

01:06:08.540 To emphasize that this is a country that's been in a certain way for a couple of thousand years, longer than that.

01:06:16.000 And that it exists separately from modern Britain.

01:06:20.480 Because as you say, modern Britain means the modern is more important than the Britain.

01:06:25.680 Yes.

01:06:26.940 That's what it is, right?

01:06:28.800 Yeah.

01:06:29.320 The modern landmass of Britain.

01:06:31.220 There's no equality here.

01:06:33.800 There's no recognition of the fairness of everybody contributing here.

01:06:37.640 The emphasis on these different separate groups is to emphasize their greater contribution.

01:06:44.360 Yes.

01:06:44.480 Whatever my mum did didn't matter.

01:06:46.460 Yeah.

01:06:46.920 You know, she was born here.

01:06:48.040 She may have worked all her life in a variety of jobs, as did my grandfather.

01:06:51.880 But their contribution was less than those who were the first nurses that came from Barbados.

01:06:57.360 Were there no nurses in Britain before that?

01:07:00.000 Of course not.

01:07:00.460 I heard about a certain Florence.

01:07:03.080 She's fake.

01:07:04.100 Fake.

01:07:04.700 Yeah, she didn't exist.

01:07:05.980 Right, right, right.

01:07:06.340 No, she didn't exist.

01:07:07.600 I didn't know you guys didn't have nurses until they came from the Caribbean.

01:07:10.380 No, not at all.

01:07:11.440 No plumbers.

01:07:13.480 No plumbers.

01:07:14.000 No plumbers.

01:07:14.580 No electricians.

01:07:15.600 No builders.

01:07:16.140 No construction workers.

01:07:17.200 We were like the Romans.

01:07:18.740 We were like caractacists.

01:07:19.580 You had no indoor plumbing.

01:07:20.500 No, we had mud huts.

01:07:22.460 You had no indoor plumbing before the Windrush generation.

01:07:25.840 No, and what we went on to do was we built these really flimsy ships.

01:07:29.620 And we went and exported our mud huts to the rest of the world so they could have their

01:07:34.140 mud huts too, is what actually happened.

01:07:37.060 So who is this new Windrush commissioner?

01:07:40.660 Don't know.

01:07:41.120 Right.

01:07:41.720 Never heard of him before.

01:07:43.100 You're about to.

01:07:44.200 So this is Clive Foster, MBE.

01:07:47.120 And I had a look into this man, and it really didn't take me long at all from a quick Google

01:07:53.640 search to find out that this guy was really big on BLM.

01:07:58.040 Oh.

01:07:58.260 Would you believe?

01:07:59.220 Oh, no.

01:08:00.000 Really?

01:08:00.540 Yes, unfortunately so.

01:08:02.300 He's an equal lives matter person.

01:08:04.480 So he says, to what extent these shackles become fully loose will depend on a number

01:08:09.640 of factors such as the collective will to speak out, our ability to truly listen and

01:08:15.680 to courageously take action to do the right thing.

01:08:19.020 Structural racism has been built over centuries and will require sustained effort to bring it

01:08:24.440 down.

01:08:24.780 Bring it down.

01:08:26.220 Bringing it down, we must ensure that black lives matter.

01:08:31.060 Yeah.

01:08:31.320 Tearing down statutes and towards installing statutes that strengthen equality and justice

01:08:35.520 in our society.

01:08:36.500 Yes.

01:08:36.700 As if tearing down a statute makes me feel equal and a justice.

01:08:40.640 Tearing down old Britain.

01:08:42.280 Yeah.

01:08:42.620 To make way for modern Britain.

01:08:44.740 Yeah.

01:08:45.140 As it always is.

01:08:46.240 This is a sort of...

01:08:47.200 This is criminal.

01:08:47.740 Revisionism that we're all used to after the BLM stuff.

01:08:50.880 I won't dwell on it too long.

01:08:52.720 But I do want to talk about the fact.

01:08:55.140 But also, just one more thing.

01:08:56.840 It's like, so do we think that he feels accountable, obligated, responsible for any Englishman?

01:09:05.740 No.

01:09:06.100 No.

01:09:06.680 Not even any Englishman.

01:09:08.000 Any Pakistani.

01:09:09.380 Any Hindu.

01:09:09.860 Anyone outside of his own particular interest group.

01:09:12.980 I think he'll apply his own interest group first, and then other interest groups that

01:09:17.000 support his interest group, as provided by his boss, who's given him the opportunity

01:09:21.320 to have power over those interest groups.

01:09:23.420 Yeah.

01:09:24.280 Because this whole...

01:09:25.560 For those of you who aren't schooled on the history of modern Britain, back in 2018,

01:09:30.720 there was something that was called the Windrush Scandal, which was essentially during

01:09:36.780 the 1948 Nationality Act, which allowed anyone with a British passport from across the Commonwealth

01:09:45.020 to come to Britain.

01:09:46.100 Great, great mistake.

01:09:47.300 And something that Enoch Powell warned about, and what the repercussions of this oversight

01:09:51.980 would be.

01:09:53.040 And then in the 1970s, you had another act passed.

01:09:56.740 I can't remember the exact name of it, but it basically meant that anyone who would come

01:10:00.320 to stay over those past 30 years had now been granted permanent residence.

01:10:04.980 And so the 500,000 people who'd come as part of the Windrush migration over the past 30

01:10:12.320 years were just given leave to stay.

01:10:15.280 Then in 2018, the Home Office under Theresa May, I believe it was, and the great stateswoman

01:10:24.700 Amber Rudd, then Home Secretary, she made an oversight that where some Windrush people were

01:10:32.520 accidentally threatened with deportation, which based, I don't know, you know, it's an interesting

01:10:40.320 oversight.

01:10:40.660 I think you're missing a key part of the detail.

01:10:44.440 They hadn't done the administrative work required to prove their citizenship.

01:10:52.000 Yes.

01:10:52.440 And to prove that these laws had applied to them.

01:10:55.240 So these laws came in, but I think my vague understanding of it is that you still probably

01:11:00.660 had to fill in some paperwork to ensure that everything was done correctly.

01:11:05.020 We do like paperwork.

01:11:06.380 Which is understandable.

01:11:08.460 Making the written word holy is how this country became great in the first place.

01:11:13.660 When the Windrush brought paperwork to the day.

01:11:15.760 When the Windrush, yes, yes, yes.

01:11:17.120 I think they had a stash of pencils, which was new to you guys.

01:11:21.280 But anyway, they couldn't be bothered with actually doing that bit of paperwork to prove

01:11:28.820 that they were there legally.

01:11:30.460 I'll be a little bit of a devil.

01:11:31.600 And so the machine went burr and sort of said you were supposed to be deported.

01:11:38.860 That's the extent of it.

01:11:40.060 It wasn't some kind of nefarious, evil Theresa May.

01:11:43.340 No, no, no, no, no.

01:11:44.580 The people who built Britain now must now be expelled.

01:11:47.980 I've seen Tory, but this is the people that the Tories want to appeal to.

01:11:51.980 They'd never want to deport them ever.

01:11:54.060 No, no.

01:11:54.640 So that kind of detail, I think, should be...

01:11:57.360 There was an element of that.

01:11:58.260 And I'll be a little bit on the devil's advocate.

01:12:00.500 Why is because the Home Office produce literally every other day stats on the Windrush regulations,

01:12:06.420 what the regulations are.

01:12:07.840 And I've got some particular annoyance over the Windrush policies that they've got in particular,

01:12:13.700 is that, unfortunately, some people did lose them over a period of time.

01:12:17.760 They weren't asked for these for like 30-odd years.

01:12:20.300 And any human being might not keep the original documents they had when they came off the boat.

01:12:24.140 But it also enabled those who were not coming over legitimately to be able now claim that they were able to do so.

01:12:31.820 So once again, you have that scenario typical in our life when the Home Office messes up,

01:12:35.700 when it doesn't do it properly.

01:12:37.080 Those genuine individuals who have cases of mistaken documentation

01:12:41.000 are actually also lumped in with those who are deliberately trying to hide it, albeit much smaller.

01:12:46.520 The consequence, and I don't know how far you're going to deal with this,

01:12:49.360 is that the compensation scheme is just absolutely open to mass abuse.

01:12:56.420 Does that count for reparations or is that also excluded from reparations?

01:12:59.360 No, no, no.

01:12:59.920 It'll be excluded as well.

01:13:01.160 We have to give Kent and Essex and everything within it to compensate them

01:13:07.620 just simply for reparations for Barbados alone.

01:13:10.960 But because this happened and the Tories were absolutely terrified of being called racist by the BBC,

01:13:16.220 they made them a statue in Waterloo Station.

01:13:19.420 And they also, as you said, started up this Windrush scheme,

01:13:23.500 which has, and obviously, but now it's become such a cult

01:13:27.740 where the NHS and the royal family, we've got portraits in Buckingham Palace now,

01:13:33.320 commissioned for it, for new modern Britain.

01:13:37.360 And I just want to point out to people as well that this is reform's position.

01:13:43.200 Immigration is the lifeblood of this country.

01:13:44.880 So pro-Windrush, right?

01:13:48.720 Reform position is that the Windrush also built Britain.

01:13:51.340 It lost me on that.

01:13:52.600 I might as well have voted Labour if I'm voting reform now.

01:13:55.080 Right.

01:13:55.340 When you have that particular view that immigration is the lifeblood,

01:14:00.160 I mean, I just got furious.

01:14:01.520 Nice.

01:14:02.260 Yes, my grandmother came here from Ireland and she worked hard.

01:14:05.700 But my grandfather who lived here generations, he worked hard.

01:14:08.900 Yes.

01:14:09.340 It's not the lifeblood.

01:14:10.320 If we cut out immigration today, we wouldn't die and drain away.

01:14:13.040 We wouldn't be sitting there on the lifeblood support machine going,

01:14:15.400 help me with an injection.

01:14:16.520 Your denial of my role as your lifeblood is deeply offensive.

01:14:20.180 I will be complaining to the Windrush commissioner.

01:14:23.140 Let's get that.

01:14:24.480 Yes, yes.

01:14:26.660 It's nothing about equality.

01:14:28.280 I hate the idea because it's never, ever about equality.

01:14:30.660 No, it's not about it.

01:14:31.460 It's about revenge and narcissism and trying to carve out something.

01:14:36.120 It's ethnic narcissism.

01:14:36.640 Yes.

01:14:37.020 It's ethnic narcissism.

01:14:38.420 It's just an inferiority complex being turned into a whip.

01:14:42.720 That's what it is.

01:14:43.540 But as Migration Watch points out here, the ethnic minority population in 1951 was around 3%.

01:14:51.300 And as late as 1991, the white British population was still 95% of the population.

01:14:57.680 So the Windrush population would have been less than 1%.

01:15:02.920 And somehow they changed the entire of society.

01:15:08.440 And I suppose these 95% here were twiddling their thumbs, being on benefits, just dossing

01:15:15.260 about, not really doing anything of a particular consequence.

01:15:19.160 And so I just wanted to go through some things that Harry had posted as well, because this

01:15:24.520 is what I mean when I talk about myth-making, which is that when I said earlier on, it's,

01:15:30.700 you know, you called and, you know, we came.

01:15:33.400 Well, we never did call.

01:15:34.800 In fact, as soon as the Attlee government heard that this ship was going to leave Jamaica

01:15:40.920 and come to Britain, the office scrambled to try and figure out how to make sure it never

01:15:47.320 returned up.

01:15:48.480 You can see here as well, Colonel Secretary Arthur Creech Jones replied, these people have

01:15:53.340 British passports and they must be allowed to land.

01:15:55.680 But he also added confidently, they won't last one winter in England.

01:15:59.860 Right.

01:16:00.060 So the intention was never for them to stay.

01:16:02.260 It was never for them to become like an actual part of society.

01:16:07.800 They just, the Labour government at the time just thought it would be a problem that would

01:16:11.180 fizzle out eventually.

01:16:13.240 Oh yeah, only 6,000 people will arrive if we open the borders to all of Eastern Europe.

01:16:18.360 Yes.

01:16:18.800 Yes, said Tony Blair.

01:16:19.880 Same idea.

01:16:20.480 Same sort of principle.

01:16:22.140 And again, if you go back to, is it Creedy Creasy, whoever he was who just, I missed his

01:16:28.880 name.

01:16:29.100 Oh yes.

01:16:29.540 It just, that, Arthur Creech Jones, Colonel Secretary, that just shows the intransigence

01:16:36.920 and absolute lazy thinking of the liberal elites in this country.

01:16:42.060 They won't last one winter.

01:16:44.560 I'm sorry, but if you're living, if you're, if you're living on two beans and a couple

01:16:49.240 of rodents, then you come over to Britain, you are actually going to have a lot more to

01:16:53.880 eat.

01:16:54.340 You've got a housing and you don't mind the cold, you'll get used to it.

01:16:57.280 And so that's why they're on the boats coming over from the channel, because they don't

01:17:01.340 really particularly care about their own countries.

01:17:03.520 They think it's better off here.

01:17:04.660 So, you know, at the end of the day, people like Creech Jones just do not understand humanity.

01:17:10.840 They don't understand the need and drive for people to leave and what they will sustain

01:17:15.380 and endure if they think it's better than where they're leaving.

01:17:18.160 Could you please read the previous one?

01:17:20.020 Because I think this is important.

01:17:22.120 I think this is important.

01:17:22.860 The arrival of these substantial numbers of men under no organized arrangement is bound

01:17:28.180 to result in considerable difficulty and disappointment.

01:17:31.240 I hope no encouragement will be given to others to follow their example.

01:17:36.160 You called and we came.

01:17:38.120 That's not calling.

01:17:39.940 No.

01:17:40.700 That's shooing.

01:17:41.960 Yes.

01:17:42.320 Yes.

01:17:43.300 Okay.

01:17:44.360 Yeah.

01:17:44.660 Atlee wanted to have it redirected to the African continent.

01:17:48.340 Ah.

01:17:48.840 Right.

01:17:49.000 Well, who did they say called?

01:17:52.360 Was there a letter?

01:17:53.400 The British.

01:17:54.900 Did they call?

01:17:56.260 We needed them.

01:17:57.380 The uncivilized pre-modern Britain British called without knowing that they did.

01:18:04.120 Yeah.

01:18:04.980 But their despair called across the ocean.

01:18:07.600 Yeah.

01:18:08.800 So, this entire thing is, of course, total revisionism.

01:18:12.760 And when we actually think about it, it's like, okay, look, I really don't want to be callous,

01:18:17.200 right?

01:18:17.380 On a natural level, I'm not a mean-spirited person, right?

01:18:22.580 But what have the Windrush generation really contributed in the past 70 years that we couldn't

01:18:29.780 do without?

01:18:30.840 We've got Nottingham Carnival.

01:18:32.980 That's very good.

01:18:33.880 That's very diverse.

01:18:35.000 This results in multiple stabbings every single year.

01:18:38.280 I don't think it's anything in particular that they can say that they've given to us in particular.

01:18:43.600 I would just turn around and say that when you look at the vast number of people that

01:18:47.660 come here, the vast majority of them did work.

01:18:51.320 They have contributed.

01:18:53.620 I'm not saying all of them because at the end of the day, we do know those who did come and

01:18:58.700 some of their relations and those who have come here illegally from places like Jamaica

01:19:02.400 are very involved in criminality.

01:19:04.880 They're one of the biggest levels of people we want to deport.

01:19:07.060 But the vast majority of human beings when they get here did work, but there's nothing

01:19:11.660 that they would turn around and say other than the Carnival that is substantially related

01:19:16.380 to that community.

01:19:18.640 But also as well...

01:19:19.580 You've just got good people that have done good jobs and work just as anybody else would

01:19:24.260 do.

01:19:24.860 Yes.

01:19:25.540 But also we talk about this like, you know, when they first arrived back in the 1950s,

01:19:30.740 the standards were just higher.

01:19:32.720 People dressed better.

01:19:34.120 There was still a real patriotism in Britain.

01:19:37.880 Neighbourhoods were in good social standing, all these sorts of things.

01:19:41.360 And so they would have been, you know, just a drop in the ocean of the population.

01:19:44.720 And that would have incentivised integration.

01:19:49.400 It would have incentivised them not to slack either.

01:19:52.100 But now with future and future generations down the line, living in a population where,

01:19:57.380 you know, the British have gone from 75% in 1991.

01:20:00.260 Well, there were also some pretty bad communities, obviously the one that I grew up with pretty

01:20:05.660 much in Mossad and Hume.

01:20:07.400 You know, they had a lot of people who weren't working.

01:20:10.960 A lot of people, young men who weren't working.

01:20:13.840 And a lot of the times it was the women.

01:20:16.820 I mean, I say this from growing up.

01:20:18.720 We noticed how many of those who came from the Windrush, the women were the ones who were

01:20:24.980 working.

01:20:25.380 And a lot of them loved to go to the, the men loved to go in the shabines and sit out

01:20:28.820 there going to the nightclubs.

01:20:30.060 And this is a fact that they don't want to talk about.

01:20:32.360 This is the history of what I grew up in, the areas I grew up.

01:20:35.480 And when you've got really decent men who were religious, Christian, or wanted to work

01:20:40.420 hard, they were often laughed at by men of their own communities.

01:20:44.480 So, you know, it's a great honor for, for those individuals I knew who worked out of

01:20:49.580 their communities to get to university, study hard, become lawyers, bankers, because it

01:20:53.460 was incredibly difficult when they had a whole lot of community who'd rather say, we won't

01:20:57.280 do the same sort of things.

01:20:58.240 We're not going to blend in.

01:20:59.560 That is a story that's also ignored.

01:21:02.380 That's the lived, if you want to use that, my lived experience, but lived experience of

01:21:06.620 others who knew what those communities were growing up.

01:21:09.300 Yes.

01:21:09.880 And so it comes down to, and it's brilliant here by the BBC, it's on the Notting Hill

01:21:15.360 Carnival thing.

01:21:16.220 It says, the West London Carnival is in jeopardy.

01:21:18.740 It's chairman Ian Comfort said that in a letter leaked to the BBC on Wednesday, in which

01:21:23.280 he asked the Culture Secretary, Lisa Nandie, to provide urgent funding for public safety

01:21:27.980 measures.

01:21:29.360 So they need more funding because they know how dangerous these carnivals get every year.

01:21:35.000 Oh yeah.

01:21:35.360 And it's just always wanton destruction.

01:21:37.600 And again, just no sense of responsibility for looking after the local area, looking after

01:21:43.800 the local neighborhood.

01:21:44.720 You know, the people who actually have to live in Notting Hill, God forbid.

01:21:48.080 And so, but also, obviously, champion of the Windrush, Diane Abbott.

01:21:53.240 So the Windrush generations were proudly British, yet immigrants are still fighting to be seen

01:21:58.840 that way.

01:21:59.440 I'm not going to go too much into her article.

01:22:02.080 But what I really want to just hark on for a second here is the fact that when you say

01:22:07.380 the Windrush generations were proudly British, all of this, everything that I've been through

01:22:12.620 before, it's not proudly British.

01:22:15.320 It's proudly Windrush.

01:22:16.740 You're setting yourselves up as another organism within Britain itself, right?

01:22:22.540 We don't have Huguenot, a Huguenot scheme.

01:22:26.420 That's right.

01:22:27.180 Don't have a Roman scheme.

01:22:28.480 We don't have a Norman scheme.

01:22:29.700 All these things like, well, you've always been a nation of immigrants.

01:22:32.260 It's like, okay, but we were all British.

01:22:34.020 And the numbers are so fundamentally different.

01:22:36.340 Oh, of course.

01:22:36.820 Probably about 0.1% of the population.

01:22:39.180 Oh, no, no.

01:22:40.360 Of course.

01:22:40.780 As opposed to what's happened over the last couple of decades.

01:22:43.260 It's gotten 500,000 over 30 years, when since 2018, we've had 267,000 come across the channel

01:22:53.180 alone.

01:22:53.780 So we're half that number in just six years.

01:22:57.280 Yeah.

01:22:57.420 So there's no comparison.

01:23:00.520 And so there's just one more link here as well, which is just, again, to further the

01:23:06.460 argument, we stand on the shoulder of Windrush pioneers.

01:23:10.420 Right.

01:23:10.600 So you don't stand on the shoulders of ancestors of Britain, right?

01:23:15.840 The people who I say go all the way back to the original Tilbury that I talked about

01:23:20.980 at the beginning of the segment with Elizabeth and back into the mists of time.

01:23:24.420 No, you recognize that your roots come from the Caribbean.

01:23:27.560 You're loyal to them.

01:23:28.740 You're loyal to their memory.

01:23:30.020 You're loyal to that identity.

01:23:31.980 So I'm sorry, Diane, but there's a reason why you're not seen as British.

01:23:38.920 And the harder you wrestle, the more you're never going to be.

01:23:43.060 Simply, you're not trying to be British.

01:23:44.500 You're not trying to be British.

01:23:45.700 Did you see the video of the girl who was saying we need more money for the carnival?

01:23:51.380 That video where she said, well, you know, there was only something like 5,000 arrests,

01:23:56.720 364 injured and two dead.

01:24:00.460 That's all.

01:24:01.320 But two million people came.

01:24:02.980 Yeah.

01:24:03.500 Sorry.

01:24:03.980 So looking for census terms, it's okay.

01:24:06.300 Is this Notting Hill or Rio?

01:24:08.220 Yeah.

01:24:08.500 You know, it's perfectly okay to have a couple of people die every year for an event,

01:24:13.820 but you should fund it just in event because, you know, without it, more we can't.

01:24:17.480 And if the police do stop and search, they're racist, right?

01:24:19.980 Yes.

01:24:20.460 Oh, indeed.

01:24:21.000 Oh, indeed.

01:24:21.720 Don't forget.

01:24:22.600 Yeah.

01:24:23.420 It even says in this article, it says,

01:24:25.380 the Windrush flag has been raised over Wolverhampton.

01:24:28.840 Oh, so not the British flag.

01:24:30.360 Now, don't get me wrong.

01:24:31.060 I know that counties have different flags.

01:24:34.260 Yeah.

01:24:34.480 But this is a flag for an actual people.

01:24:36.880 Yes.

01:24:37.280 Yeah.

01:24:37.460 And so forgive me if when you have the choice of two flags and you choose one from the Caribbean,

01:24:44.380 I'm not inclined to believe that you're actually British.

01:24:47.500 I'm very sorry about that.

01:24:49.140 It's just my cynicism.

01:24:50.780 Maybe we should stand up in a street stall in the middle of a town and say,

01:24:53.780 here's a flag.

01:24:54.380 That's Britain.

01:24:55.080 Here's a flag.

01:24:56.200 Whatever.

01:24:56.760 Are you British?

01:24:57.840 And if they come around and say, yes, which is your flag?

01:25:00.360 And if they say that, then how can you be British?

01:25:03.020 Because that's not a British flag.

01:25:04.620 Yes.

01:25:04.880 It's a Charlie Kirk moment, isn't it, really?

01:25:06.700 Well, maybe if you raise that flag, maybe a government funded,

01:25:10.420 we can use the Windrush scheme to perhaps provide some transport back to Tilbury.

01:25:15.760 I have to pay reparations for emotional damage.

01:25:18.960 Emotionally damaging me every day.

01:25:20.360 I have to listen to this, isn't it?

01:25:21.560 Really awful when seeing this, you know.

01:25:23.560 Yeah.

01:25:23.800 I'll go to some comments because we're...

01:25:26.160 Yes.

01:25:27.060 Sigil Stone says,

01:25:27.880 You called, we came, said by both the Windrush generation and the Cenobites from Hellraiser.

01:25:32.860 And both are the same reason.

01:25:34.480 I'm very sorry.

01:25:35.480 I don't know what that is.

01:25:37.500 That's a name for modern Britain.

01:25:40.440 It's called Die UK, says Habsification.

01:25:42.900 Very, very true.

01:25:44.440 Logan Pine, 17.

01:25:46.400 Don't the elites know that if this all falls, they will be removed one way or another?

01:25:51.960 Yes, but I don't think they care because, you know, in the words of Richard Tice,

01:25:56.360 they'll be long gone.

01:25:57.400 So it's not their problem.

01:25:59.160 Right.

01:25:59.500 And Sigil Stone, 17, says the...

01:26:02.140 Very good.

01:26:03.960 The Windrush generation saved and civilized Britain with their yummy foods like nondescript brown

01:26:10.500 slop and the neighbor's pets.

01:26:13.720 Yes.

01:26:14.220 Very funny.

01:26:14.840 Very witty.

01:26:15.640 Right.

01:26:15.940 Is there any video comments, Samson?

01:26:18.620 None today.

01:26:19.880 All right.

01:26:20.260 Great.

01:26:20.560 Okay.

01:26:20.900 In that case, we'll just go through some comments for the last few minutes.

01:26:24.420 Do you want to read yours?

01:26:25.500 Yeah, sure.

01:26:27.200 Zesty King says, I think it's important to remember in regard to negotiations with Iran

01:26:31.380 what happened to Libya.

01:26:32.540 Exactly.

01:26:33.460 Gaddafi was given an ultimatum.

01:26:34.880 Give up your nuclear materials or get overthrown.

01:26:37.120 He gave up the nuclear material and was overthrown anyway.

01:26:40.420 Those in power in Iran probably know this.

01:26:42.420 Yes.

01:26:42.820 Absolutely true.

01:26:43.800 Absolutely true.

01:26:45.620 Then Scotty of Swindon.

01:26:47.580 Ukraine surrendered its nuclear weapons in exchange for assurances from Russia.

01:26:50.880 That's not accurate.

01:26:52.120 But okay.

01:26:53.120 Now Ukraine is at war with Russia.

01:26:54.900 It's really stupid to agree to give up your weapons because other countries don't like

01:26:58.440 you having them.

01:26:59.280 Correct.

01:27:00.900 The illegal truth.

01:27:03.000 This could bring civil war to the UK faster than we think.

01:27:05.720 All Iran would need to do is activate some of its sleeper cells in the UK to carry out

01:27:10.020 terror attacks like Southport.

01:27:12.080 Rioting would kick off again big time like last year but much worse with the country being

01:27:15.780 like a tinderbox at the moment.

01:27:17.820 Iran could easily destabilize the country.

01:27:20.020 That would require the army to be focused on the UK, not on a war in the Middle East.

01:27:24.820 This is true pretty much of everywhere in Europe really.

01:27:28.000 Arizona desert rat.

01:27:29.320 This Iran situation is going to turn into a new foreign war debacle.

01:27:32.840 It always has and always will.

01:27:34.360 Yep.

01:27:35.660 And she also says, and we are certain that those nuclear sites were actual nuclear sites

01:27:40.160 and not dummy sites?

01:27:42.300 Relatively.

01:27:43.280 That's another problem that could arise.

01:27:45.520 Omar Awad says, the lefties are surprisingly quiet on the, is this what you voted for front

01:27:51.460 when it comes to bombing the Middle East?

01:27:53.340 Yes.

01:27:54.080 Plenty of MAGA split because they aren't a brainwashed monolith.

01:27:57.140 Also true.

01:27:58.460 George Hap says, I guess Tulsi also thinks the US should do Israel's bidding and dictate who

01:28:03.140 and can't have, who can and can't have nukes.

01:28:05.980 It seems only one fanatical Middle Eastern country is allowed that.

01:28:09.060 Funny how that works.

01:28:10.540 No comment.

01:28:11.160 I'll just read some from my segment as well.

01:28:15.980 So Lord Nereva says, this genuinely feels like we've been left in the cold.

01:28:20.920 Our one shining hope was Trump and him, I don't think that is for my segment, dismantling

01:28:27.020 the exact deep state that he was just forced him to make war on Iran.

01:28:32.020 Now what?

01:28:33.440 If even the Donald is susceptible to, yeah, pee-taking on a global scale, who could possibly

01:28:41.680 put a stop to it?

01:28:43.920 Well, yeah, I mean, that's the thing.

01:28:45.360 You know, you put all your hopes in Trump and then if he doesn't come through, now what?

01:28:49.120 Good luck with that.

01:28:49.860 Now what?

01:28:50.160 I think these are all coming off in...

01:28:52.100 Yeah, it's just because it was labelled.

01:28:53.740 Oh yeah.

01:28:54.020 Just carry on anyway.

01:28:55.240 Psych me out.

01:28:55.740 Yeah, okay.

01:28:59.920 Rick Monikendam.

01:29:01.460 China has been doing all Iran's propaganda.

01:29:04.740 Why is US talking to China as if it will settle anything?

01:29:08.980 China lies.

01:29:10.000 Trump really hasn't got a grip on the basics if he is making mistakes like this.

01:29:15.580 Is this...

01:29:16.200 Yeah?

01:29:17.000 There's a point above that.

01:29:18.020 Actually, you can see just there that someone pretty much agreeing where we go and actually

01:29:22.300 can see this, oddly enough.

01:29:23.340 It said if Iran decides to shut down the Straits of Olmuz, it would be the final nail in Iran's

01:29:27.600 coughing.

01:29:28.140 True.

01:29:28.520 It would reduce Iran's exports by 90% and only affect the global oil supply by 20%.

01:29:34.320 Well, I'd say the effect in the 20% would be significant.

01:29:37.960 Theirs is only 1.8 or 1.9% of it.

01:29:41.220 But we could survive.

01:29:42.420 That would be no way that they could...

01:29:44.320 Iran hurts itself in confusion.

01:29:46.300 We're saying it would do, but the choice is we're going to be taken out anyway.

01:29:50.200 So why not go down fighting?

01:29:52.140 Yeah, exactly.

01:29:53.340 And we've got here.

01:29:56.600 The reason that Windrush built Britain is such popular rhetoric for many late 20th century

01:30:03.180 centrist types is that it allows you to express mild patriotism, this country is good, without

01:30:09.220 it actually being praise of the nation, but instead veneration of everyone else.

01:30:14.200 This is true.

01:30:15.200 This is true.

01:30:15.420 The actual...

01:30:16.840 When they say, you know, the enormous contributions that the Windrush generation have kept, they

01:30:21.820 really just mean simply by existing.

01:30:24.320 Yes.

01:30:24.760 Right.

01:30:24.960 They just mean being diverse.

01:30:26.800 That is merit.

01:30:27.880 That is good.

01:30:28.780 And we're talking...

01:30:29.780 And we were talking in a previous segment about how Iran's diversity could be used to start

01:30:34.000 a civil war, but that's...

01:30:35.420 Diversity, good is...

01:30:36.960 Colin P.

01:30:39.660 So it is 2T is saying that we didn't have any nurses or midwives before Windrush.

01:30:45.420 That's exactly what I was saying.

01:30:47.200 Exactly.

01:30:48.600 Maria Manzi...

01:30:50.120 Oh, for Stephen and Firas.

01:30:52.260 An important point is the home office under Blair destroyed the landing cards that had

01:30:58.060 the details of those who came during Windrush.

01:31:00.740 He also stopped exit checks.

01:31:02.640 That's a very important point.

01:31:03.580 And Michael Dribeldis, I will get around to saying that correctly.

01:31:10.180 I promise you, Michael.

01:31:11.380 I think all benefit payments should offset any reparations.

01:31:16.420 If we do that, the victims would now owe the country the sum of 2.5 trillion.

01:31:21.260 When we add in the cost of crimes committed by these victims, the amount these people owe

01:31:26.980 skyrockets to 5.8 trillion.

01:31:29.420 Like most statistics, these numbers are pulled out of my ass.

01:31:33.580 Well, you keep yanking them, Michael.

01:31:39.920 I do not endorse the last statement from our managers.

01:31:45.020 Anyway, well, it's coming up to half past.

01:31:47.280 That's all we've got time for today, ladies and gentlemen.

01:31:49.740 Thank you for listening and we'll be back tomorrow at 1pm.

01:31:53.940 Thank you.

01:31:54.360 Have a good day.

01:31:54.920 Brilliant.

01:31:55.260 Good night.

01:31:55.640 Have a great day.

The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - June 23, 2025

The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1192

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