The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1197

00:00:00.000 We're going to be talking all about the gauntlet that's been thrown down at Glastonbury.

00:00:04.300 We're also going to be talking about Ben Habib's new party that is just launched today.

00:00:09.520 Yeah, and now I'm going to be adding also Rupert Lowe's new movement, Restore Britain.

00:00:14.540 Yeah, covering all the breaking stuff coming to you today.

00:00:17.980 And then we're also going to talk about the MP who's basically been denied communion, haven't they, by the church.

00:00:25.780 The church has decided to be churchish, I suppose you could say.

00:00:30.500 As it should be.

00:00:31.520 As it should be.

00:00:32.320 As it is.

00:00:32.800 As all things should be.

00:00:34.060 Anyway, so let's get on with the first segment.

00:00:36.900 So we all know Glastonbury.

00:00:38.740 We all love Glastonbury.

00:00:40.320 It's one of those particular festivals that has become more infamous for its moralizing and its sermons and its songs and good bands these days.

00:00:51.660 And this year didn't kick that habit in any way whatsoever.

00:00:55.280 It's still the same people going there, the same self-flagellating, the same virtue signaling, and the same 80-year-old has-beens, you know, on stage.

00:01:08.000 I just don't think I'm left-wing enough or wealthy enough to go.

00:01:10.860 I just, you know, I'm certainly not wealthy enough to go.

00:01:13.040 The tickets are around 400 quid?

00:01:15.380 Something like that.

00:01:16.300 Yeah, yeah.

00:01:16.620 380, 390 quid.

00:01:18.400 Plus everything else that's in there.

00:01:20.000 Plus everything else that you'd have.

00:01:20.960 I haven't got a trust fund, you see, unfortunately.

00:01:22.620 I mean, I can't imagine what the inflation is like on the prices of the recreational drugs in there as well.

00:01:30.040 So that's probably more expensive than the tickets.

00:01:32.080 But really the thing that everyone is talking about.

00:01:37.600 So I covered, I made a daily video back on Friday just going over like, oh, look, you know, led by donkeys are going to put Elon on a rocket ship and everything. 0.97

00:01:47.640 Oh, aren't they all silly? 0.84

00:01:48.780 And then they went away, had a lovely weekend, and then they got back and thought, oh, right, things are getting serious now, aren't they? 0.98

00:01:55.280 Yeah.

00:01:55.560 Because the whole thing seemed to be based around this Irish band that, you know, no one gives a toss about and is totally inorganic kneecap. 0.96

00:02:05.400 Basically being their coverage being taken away by the BBC.

00:02:10.440 So they were performing there, but the BBC wasn't going to broadcast them.

00:02:14.420 They were just going to get cut out of it.

00:02:16.020 But then this absolute nobody, this Bob Villain group, did a performance on one of the smaller stages.

00:02:29.340 And it was just everything that you'd anticipate from, it was like a microcosm of Glastonbury.

00:02:35.960 So as Lucy, you know, was mentioning here, there were two main things to really take away from it.

00:02:42.780 There were two main statements that were made during this one particular act.

00:02:47.920 And what I want to focus on is the reaction and which one was given the most importance and which one was, was it very obvious that the many, many people wanted to bury and weren't particularly interested in, right?

00:03:05.460 And so obviously the main, the first one that everyone was pushing about was the fact that the Bob Villain said, death to the IVF, right?

00:03:17.420 And got the entire crowd also chanting death to the IDF, you know, the Israeli Defense Force.

00:03:24.480 And obviously very, very pro-Palestine, you can see all the Palestinian flags, I'm not going to play the clip.

00:03:29.960 And you juxtapose that to the Rod Stewart performance, right?

00:03:34.860 Where it was all flags of England and the counties and Union Jacks and stuff like that, right?

00:03:39.760 Yeah.

00:03:40.020 So obviously, you know, it's a particular brand of politics from a particular type of music, from a particular type of person.

00:03:47.120 We've seen it all before.

00:03:48.560 We've seen it all before.

00:03:49.580 And it's nothing new.

00:03:52.120 However, then there was just this sheer brazenness, this sheer mockery of the British people, you know? 0.98

00:04:02.480 Not people, you know, on the other side of the world, but us in our own home and basically saying, 0.99

00:04:09.360 I heard you want your country back, shut the F up and goes on and on.

00:04:14.040 And there was another one, further lyrics, where it said something along the lines of, 0.96

00:04:18.600 you can't have that.

00:04:20.900 It's the only place I know, stolen right under my nose.

00:04:24.700 Yeah, that's the line. 1.00

00:04:25.520 By ignorant scum, trying to lay claim to a land that ain't theirs anyway. 1.00

00:04:30.360 Yes. 1.00

00:04:30.880 That's the lines from, I mean, I looked them up.

00:04:33.560 So I went and looked at the lyrics.

00:04:35.720 And also, he's got some others on there.

00:04:38.380 Yeah, right.

00:04:38.940 In another song, that he goes on, same sort of argument, that I was born here, I was called all sorts of names.

00:04:46.080 Same sort of names I was called as a child.

00:04:48.180 But the difference between him is I went on and support my country.

00:04:51.100 And he decides that he wants to abuse it and say it is his country, but anyone else who was actually here,

00:04:56.900 who was born here, whose cultural heritage here, it's not your country. 0.78

00:05:00.460 It's only a country for you.

00:05:01.620 And stolen land.

00:05:02.120 Yeah.

00:05:02.280 I remember when I was in the corporate sector, listening to some DEI lecture, because it was Black History Month.

00:05:11.940 And I decided to be a good participant to try to listen to the other side.

00:05:16.160 And I remember hearing that only Europeans are not actually indigenous to anywhere.

00:05:23.100 So apparently, everybody in Europe is not indigenous.

00:05:26.360 That's right.

00:05:26.700 But everywhere else in the world belongs to the group that last conquered them. 0.84

00:05:31.040 So if you say, well, you know, Morocco or Libya should be reclaimed for Christianity, no, no, no, that's colonialism.

00:05:38.760 Yeah.

00:05:40.020 But if you say Europe should be for the Europeans, no, no, no, no, no, that's white supremacy.

00:05:46.400 Absolutely.

00:05:46.840 So this ideology is pretty consistent and gets repeated all the time.

00:05:51.360 I spoke up against this, which is why I lost my job.

00:05:53.980 Yeah, that sounds about right as well.

00:05:58.240 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:05:58.540 That's a tactic.

00:05:59.620 Yeah, that's, you know.

00:06:00.680 We don't agree with you, therefore you're fired.

00:06:02.940 Well, luckily I was given redundancy.

00:06:04.840 Yeah.

00:06:04.980 But this ideology is deeply ingrained.

00:06:08.800 Yes.

00:06:09.240 And it's, I have to say, ingrained among the minority communities quite strongly, who are becoming increasingly brash and unashamed of expressing this perspective. 1.00

00:06:22.680 And this is just another example of it.

00:06:25.420 I mean, I find this an utter disgrace in terms of the way that he just isolates the individuals, namely anybody who is born in this country, has historical elements and say, you want to shut up, you want your country back.

00:06:39.880 And it goes to that hypocrisy that if I was somebody who's looked after the Indians or the Inuits in Canada, as you say, that's perfectly fine for them. 1.00

00:06:48.540 Yeah.

00:06:48.700 I'll back you and I'll support you.

00:06:50.200 He's on there going about Palestine.

00:06:52.180 Yes.

00:06:52.380 I want your country back from the Israelis, but I'll support you. 1.00

00:06:55.420 Right.

00:06:55.700 This shows the intellectual weakness of their argument, how much they are pygmies in terms of thought process.

00:07:02.220 You shouldn't think about it in terms of intellectual coherence.

00:07:05.280 You should think about it in terms of emotion and, firstly, an expression of a will to power, and secondly, an expression of genuinely felt loathing.

00:07:18.500 Trying to argue with these people intellectually is like trying to argue with this chair or with a brick wall.

00:07:23.460 I get that, but the ideas that they come from have come from intellectuals who justified this in writings, whether it's at Columbia University, Harvard, Cambridge.

00:07:33.100 100%.

00:07:33.460 And then they put that through into those that they think are intellectuals in government, who then create the policies and allow the papers to come through, just as we're going to see with the Islamophobic.

00:07:42.680 Well, no, no, not that I don't disagree with you, but just that I also think that amongst all of the intellectuals, right, this guy doesn't need intellectuals to come to this position.

00:07:53.900 No, no, no.

00:07:54.400 This is not a case of, like, this is, as you say, hatred, tribal hatred, you know, and sort of justified and apologized for by the intellectuals.

00:08:06.140 Yeah.

00:08:06.320 And so, really, it comes down to, there's another thing that also just, this is a really good video by Carl, if you want to watch it in your own time, where it says what sort of person goes to Glastonbury.

00:08:17.640 No, it was good.

00:08:18.240 It was good.

00:08:18.800 Because you can see this one.

00:08:19.980 Yeah, because it's very, you know, any other gatherings such as this will be called hideously white or disgustingly white.

00:08:30.880 Yeah. 0.53

00:08:31.200 Yes.

00:08:31.640 Right? Disgustingly so.

00:08:33.740 However, Glastonbury never seems to get smeared with that because the white people who go there have all the correct politics. 0.74

00:08:41.360 Yes.

00:08:41.620 Right? They hold to the orthodoxy.

00:08:43.580 And so, their particular festival, where they all happen to be white, doesn't need to be broken up, doesn't need to be diversified.

00:08:52.260 And it's allowed massive walls around it.

00:08:54.320 Oh, it's allowed everything that they...

00:08:56.020 I did that.

00:08:56.740 Yeah.

00:08:57.040 There's more walls around Glastonbury than there is around our country.

00:09:00.580 Yes. Yeah. And, yeah, Bryson Ault and Air Base, apparently, as well.

00:09:05.900 So, it's just absurd.

00:09:09.220 But one of the things that Carl talks about in this video is the fact that you have a, really, a group of people who are there because they want, they know, they're the people who staff the institutions, right, of the state.

00:09:24.860 Yes.

00:09:25.220 And so, they're all part of that managerial state.

00:09:28.560 And yet, at the same time, they hear the left-wing arguments that, well, you know, the British state is anti-black, it's anti-minority, it's anti-this.

00:09:37.800 And so, they can go there and they can have this amazing, cathartic experience where they can be berated on the stage by the minority and feel like they can walk away from all of that still being good people.

00:09:49.300 By the global majority.

00:09:50.800 By the global majority.

00:09:52.300 Yeah.

00:09:52.700 But, ultimately, they're not good people.

00:09:55.100 They're not good people because, actually, what it comes down to is that, by their own logic, they would rather share their country, our country, with, they would rather have this man as their neighbour.

00:10:10.260 Well, I think that, more than that, I think they'd rather have this man and his type in charge.

00:10:14.620 I think they'd have this man running the country.

00:10:16.260 They would, until they were in charge.

00:10:18.060 Not really, because they would sort of flock to the nicest areas.

00:10:24.400 They would flock to the areas that are least affected by their policies and want to live there while haranguing everybody else.

00:10:33.880 But they already do.

00:10:34.760 That's the point.

00:10:35.320 They're already there.

00:10:36.420 So, for him, they would happily have him in charge because, as far as they're concerned, wealth and the houses that they can afford and the land that they already got...

00:10:45.400 Yes.

00:10:46.260 ...protects them from it until they get somebody who becomes like a Mahmoodia in New York who says, no, I'm now going to deal with this. 0.96

00:10:54.680 And I think one of the things that might start to change them is the element of what this Labour Party is going to do.

00:11:01.100 Is they're changing the rules in relation to the disbursement of channel migrants and asylum seekers across the country.

00:11:09.060 They're forcing councils now to put in proposals for more of these people to come into these nice, leafy areas.

00:11:15.020 And the cost of them is going to be borne by the council taxpayer.

00:11:20.640 So, if you've got a council area, they're going to go into those.

00:11:24.000 Those houses, those people who've lived there are going to be pushed out.

00:11:27.520 Also, with Serco taking over housing and giving people...

00:11:31.600 I've had another story this morning about someone being offered 40% more on his 10 houses.

00:11:37.980 A million pounds he will get for 10 flats up front for five years, no charges.

00:11:43.540 He'll get it all up front if he just gives it to one of these companies who will then rent it out for five years in an area.

00:11:49.520 They're going to face this in their nice, leafy areas.

00:11:52.860 Then let's see how they react to it.

00:11:55.960 Yeah, indeed.

00:11:57.120 But also, so then you have this fallout between this where all of the coverage, as I'll go through now,

00:12:03.860 of those two things, the BBC and many other people only really seem to have a problem with one of those statements, right?

00:12:13.240 Yep.

00:12:13.440 And was it the death to the IDF or was it you're not getting your country back?

00:12:18.040 Any guesses on this gentleman?

00:12:21.060 I'm sure they condemned both of them and took the sensible position.

00:12:25.840 Well, the BBC wants you to know that with hindsight, we should have pulled the stream during the performance.

00:12:30.440 We regret that it didn't happen and the anti-Semitic sentiments expressed were utterly unacceptable and have no place on our airwaves.

00:12:39.800 Right.

00:12:40.280 So it's just one group that's favoured and the other is trampled.

00:12:46.580 Yeah.

00:12:46.820 Yeah, basically.

00:12:48.080 So that's the BBC.

00:12:50.320 What about the Prime Minister?

00:12:51.800 Well, he was appalled by the IDF chants.

00:12:54.900 Yeah.

00:12:55.280 He was appalled by those.

00:12:56.640 He also, he said that they were basically a hate speech.

00:13:00.140 Yeah.

00:13:00.680 Yeah.

00:13:01.320 Will he be charged?

00:13:02.680 Yeah.

00:13:02.840 Will he be charged?

00:13:03.840 Let's see.

00:13:04.400 Yeah.

00:13:04.660 What about the leader of the oldest political party in the world?

00:13:09.840 How about that?

00:13:10.680 The Conservatives.

00:13:12.120 Kemi says, this is grotesque. 0.95

00:13:13.800 Glorifying violence against Jews isn't edgy.

00:13:16.780 The West is playing with fire if we allow this sort of behaviour to go unchecked.

00:13:22.400 Okay.

00:13:23.240 Well, it is part one, so it may be in fairness to us somewhere along in part two.

00:13:28.200 She says, less than two years go hundreds.

00:13:31.440 Oh, no, it's just, no, okay, right.

00:13:33.500 So not there either.

00:13:35.300 Not there either.

00:13:36.820 Very encouraging.

00:13:38.420 And this really comes down to the number of the issue, doesn't it?

00:13:41.700 Because they want you to care more.

00:13:45.080 Well, there's two things going on here.

00:13:47.180 Because one, the actual singer himself wants, is basically saying, I want your moral consideration

00:13:54.300 for one side of a foreign conflict.

00:13:57.420 Yeah.

00:13:58.640 That is, in his view, you know, rebelling against colonialism and all these sorts of things.

00:14:04.300 But at the same time, I'm gleefully colonising your country.

00:14:09.040 Yeah.

00:14:09.340 And doing it from a position of total power and total comfort.

00:14:14.980 Absolutely.

00:14:15.200 Which is why this is not rebellion.

00:14:16.820 And total impunity, yes.

00:14:17.980 And total impunity, right.

00:14:19.680 Because no one in the establishment is actually criticising this.

00:14:23.600 If you went to Israel and told the Israelis you can't have your country,

00:14:29.840 they will very, very promptly throw you out.

00:14:32.560 Yeah.

00:14:32.720 And there will be no questions asked about that.

00:14:36.600 Israel has very strict immigration policies.

00:14:39.240 They are very identity focused.

00:14:43.120 If you are Jewish, you can automatically apply for citizenship.

00:14:46.280 This is the Jewish state and that's all that it's going to be. 0.99

00:14:49.080 And they're extremely consistent about that.

00:14:51.860 And if you support or oppose this kind of thing,

00:14:57.220 you should be expected to be somewhat consistent about it.

00:15:00.720 If it's good for them, it's good for everyone else.

00:15:04.240 If it's bad for them, it's bad for everyone else.

00:15:06.660 There has to be the same standard applied.

00:15:09.980 And we see none of that here.

00:15:12.280 No.

00:15:13.300 None of that.

00:15:14.280 No, not at all.

00:15:15.000 Of course, the actual organisers of Glastonbury themselves only had one part of that to condemn.

00:15:21.740 And the thing is, it's well right.

00:15:23.380 It's like when you say death to the IDF, okay. 0.82

00:15:26.320 So this is obviously, you know, from Palestine, Israel perspective.

00:15:30.360 But there's also the war in Ukraine and Russia going on.

00:15:33.560 And you have to ask, would the establishment have reacted the same way

00:15:37.380 if it had said death to the Russian army or Putin's forces?

00:15:41.640 They wouldn't.

00:15:41.960 Right.

00:15:42.380 They wouldn't.

00:15:43.080 None of this would have been there, right?

00:15:44.700 It's actually, when there is a war going on,

00:15:47.480 it's actually probably a very common feeling.

00:15:50.980 Yeah, yeah.

00:15:51.320 To wish ill will on whichever particular army it is you personally feel strongest.

00:15:56.380 I agree.

00:15:57.500 And I think the problem with this is that there's a number of aspects.

00:16:01.860 First of all, this is incitement within the legal definitions that were used for Lucy Connolly.

00:16:07.680 So I think, you know, you should be charged.

00:16:10.600 But so would be death to Donald Trump, death to, you know, the MAGA movement, 0.95

00:16:16.120 death to Nigel Farage, death to reform, death to any of these which are going to... 0.99

00:16:21.320 Death to anyone. 0.99

00:16:22.180 Death to anyone chanted in that side, not within the song. 0.65

00:16:25.260 And they're now trying to even argue that because the first part was done within a song,

00:16:29.960 that's okay, freedom of speech.

00:16:32.500 But I don't see how you can just charge death to anyone,

00:16:36.020 even if it's death to Putin's army or death to a political group that you don't like.

00:16:40.200 All of that is incitement in some ways because somebody may act upon it.

00:16:45.180 So we either have free speech absolutism, where you can say whatever you like.

00:16:50.760 To a certain extent, I'm along those lines

00:16:53.160 because I firmly believe that we should be able to hear what they have to say and challenge them.

00:16:57.900 And that's part of the fundamental nature of who we are.

00:17:00.900 But if it is something that relates to a criminal action that leads to incitement,

00:17:06.640 then at least have consistency in the law.

00:17:09.620 And you cannot pick and choose.

00:17:13.280 The other thing that I would note about this is how Middle Eastern Islamic this kind of chant is.

00:17:22.360 Ah, yes.

00:17:24.520 Christians in the Middle East don't chant death to whoever.

00:17:28.260 That just doesn't happen.

00:17:29.080 This is very much along the lines of Khomeini's death to America, death to Israel, 0.91

00:17:35.740 adapted for this context.

00:17:38.520 And I see this in some New York protests that go on about up the Palestinians, down, down Israel,

00:17:44.760 something like that, which is very crappily translated from Arabic.

00:17:48.900 And you could sort of see the Middle Eastern influence in that whole thing.

00:17:55.360 And it's just sort of the importation of this mindset is really disturbing.

00:18:05.140 And it's just, for me, it's cringe.

00:18:08.000 Very, very cringe.

00:18:09.340 Yeah, yeah.

00:18:09.820 But it just shows this sheer arrogance and the venom and hostility that is involved.

00:18:20.160 It's not the, this isn't what people who do things say.

00:18:25.120 This isn't what people who do things say.

00:18:27.080 This is not how they express themselves.

00:18:28.760 People who do things simply do things.

00:18:31.380 People who are all about slogans, that's the kind of attitude that they have,

00:18:35.980 until they have enough power to do things.

00:18:38.060 So there's this nuance that I just thought that I should bring up here.

00:18:44.300 Well, also, you know, really the thing is, I take your point, Stephen, about speech

00:18:49.520 and what speech we have the right to say and what we don't have the right to say.

00:18:53.140 But the fact of the matter is, and the reason that I didn't spend all my time this morning

00:18:57.480 just looking through this particular guy's history,

00:19:00.820 is because there's nothing special about him.

00:19:04.380 He's just another enemy, just another foreign enemy who shouldn't be in Britain, 1.00

00:19:10.340 who actively hates us, as is evidence from all of his music, right?

00:19:15.960 He shouldn't be here.

00:19:17.440 He should be deported on the basis that he's not British in any way. 1.00

00:19:22.760 And given the slightest chance, he would quite happily tear away everything that we hold dear

00:19:28.140 and sacred and precious on this island.

00:19:30.280 It's not just that he's not British. It's also the depth of ingratitude and the depth of disrespect.

00:19:36.360 So it's not just that his identity is false.

00:19:38.840 That's what I'm saying. It's not loyally British either. 0.99

00:19:41.620 Not a shred of loyalty, not a shred of respect, not a shred of consideration.

00:19:45.900 More along the lines of, look at me trying to humiliate you.

00:19:51.260 Which just shows a weakness of character and a propensity for violence

00:19:56.100 against who are essentially his benefactors.

00:20:01.140 See, I think there's another element about this.

00:20:03.500 He's going, when you look at the lyrics of other songs that I decided to go and look through,

00:20:07.920 he takes the view that he's mixed race, you know, he's mum white, his dad's black,

00:20:13.200 he was born in this country, and he received racism when he was younger.

00:20:17.500 Right.

00:20:17.720 And as a consequence of that, it defines him saying, I have a right to be here,

00:20:21.580 and I would agree with you. You were born here, you have a right to be here.

00:20:24.600 After all, that's the crux.

00:20:27.240 If you're born here in this country, you start to live and encapsulate this nation.

00:20:31.780 Where it becomes different is he blames all the ills that he may have had,

00:20:36.780 so-called lack of opportunities, what he sees people being arrested,

00:20:40.580 on the white community in this country on there, which is nonsense. 0.87

00:20:44.100 First of all, it's nonsense.

00:20:45.220 We're prime ministers, footballers, business people, media stars.

00:20:49.400 You can be whatever you want from whatever culture, creed, religion, or sexual desire

00:20:55.100 to be in this country now and achieve.

00:20:57.840 So his very basis of his argument is flawed.

00:21:00.660 So it comes down to something else, much more guttural. 0.99

00:21:04.560 It's much more that he just hates white people. 0.99

00:21:07.780 Yes. 0.99

00:21:08.040 And that's what this comes down to. 1.00

00:21:09.520 All it shows him is it hates white people. 0.99

00:21:11.820 And what my girlfriend, my partner, was saying is that, 0.99

00:21:16.360 how are those people in the audience cheering somebody on stage

00:21:22.420 that is clearly giving a message that he hates them?

00:21:26.220 Yes.

00:21:26.480 Or does he like them because they're just the ones who are enablers?

00:21:31.300 Because they've submitted.

00:21:32.700 Yes.

00:21:33.440 Without the love of God, you hate yourself.

00:21:36.400 And this is probably the biggest godless gathering in Britain.

00:21:40.980 Yeah.

00:21:41.180 And they are animated by a weird perversion of original sin

00:21:47.440 that makes them see themselves as bad and as deserving of this hate.

00:21:52.220 And anybody who disagrees is a racist.

00:21:56.000 Yeah.

00:21:56.240 But I would say he's the racist. 0.99

00:21:58.140 He's very much a racist towards white people. 0.84

00:22:00.520 Look, I mean, as a sort of distinction between people is natural and healthy. 0.92

00:22:05.520 Being able to say, look, I'm from a different group than you are.

00:22:07.960 Fair enough.

00:22:08.600 Yes, you are.

00:22:11.260 It doesn't always have to come with hatred, although that is the human norm.

00:22:15.240 And the only thing that can unite us is a sort of recognition of shared human dignity.

00:22:20.800 And these people can't have that because they don't believe in that.

00:22:25.900 Well, just one more that I want to talk to as well.

00:22:29.280 So Richard Tice had to say that this is disgusting, confirms why I refuse to go.

00:22:34.420 I stand with Israel.

00:22:35.920 Richard, honestly, I don't know what you're so worried about.

00:22:40.440 You know, as far as I can see, you know, from everything that I hear about the IDF,

00:22:44.320 they're on top of things in Gaza in a really messed up sort of way.

00:22:49.260 I don't think Israel is going to disappear off the face of the planet, not in this century.

00:22:54.140 You'll be long gone by then, Richard.

00:22:56.500 So what do you have to worry about?

00:22:58.800 Why does this concern you?

00:23:00.680 It's going to outlive you, Richard.

00:23:02.320 I'd just drop the issue if I were you.

00:23:04.180 Yeah, I'd just give up on Richard Tice.

00:23:05.960 I mean, he's showing himself every day, not to somebody who really likes England or the people within it.

00:23:10.460 To be honest, it's all about just himself now and what he can do.

00:23:13.380 Maybe he wants to be called Lord Richard Tice.

00:23:15.280 It seems to me that his views on I don't care that Britain is changing in terms of who the perspective are.

00:23:24.240 There's all the Muslims who will take over. 1.00

00:23:25.980 I'll be long gone, as you pointed out.

00:23:28.500 He and his ilk that are running reform don't seem to really understand the importance about being English and what it comes to.

00:23:35.520 It's just about English.

00:23:36.280 You can be like Michael Gove was saying on there, well, don't you like cricket?

00:23:41.120 Yeah.

00:23:41.360 Makes you English. 0.96

00:23:42.060 Takes a bit more.

00:23:42.740 You know, I mean, honestly, I mean, this is not about that.

00:23:45.820 There's much more to it.

00:23:47.460 I don't particularly like cricket.

00:23:48.780 I'm good at it.

00:23:49.360 I used to play it pretty well and I'm okay.

00:23:51.800 But because I don't like it, does that not make, I'm no longer English?

00:23:54.720 I'm sorry.

00:23:55.460 No, it's a different thing.

00:23:56.380 A particular news station as well called Great Britain News, GB News, decided as well that they took more issue with the IDF statement than they did the statement about the GB part of things.

00:24:11.760 Okay.

00:24:12.120 So that was interesting as well. 0.92

00:24:14.900 Nigel came out with, if you vote reform, you can have your country back from these lunatics.

00:24:20.580 Better framing.

00:24:21.520 Yeah.

00:24:21.860 Much better framing.

00:24:22.700 I'll absolutely give that to him because he's dodged the trap there, right?

00:24:27.700 Because this is really the point.

00:24:29.340 All those people that you saw before, do not listen to those people.

00:24:33.400 They don't have your best interests at heart.

00:24:35.940 Their priorities are not your priorities, okay?

00:24:39.720 And they want to link your allegiance to a foreign conflict to your identity at home.

00:24:46.480 And your identity at home isn't based on how you feel about a particular foreign conflict, right?

00:24:53.700 It wasn't based, you weren't more or less British because you wanted to fight the American Revolution or let the colonists go, right?

00:25:04.800 You weren't more or less British if you were, you know, if you were a Luddite or if you were in favor of the Industrial Revolution.

00:25:12.900 You weren't more or less British if you were from these islands and you were for the empire or against the empire, right? 0.93

00:25:19.940 It's not about what you think.

00:25:21.480 It's about who you are, right?

00:25:23.500 And you, as an Englishman, you have every right to think or feel whatever you wish.

00:25:29.460 But this man is not English.

00:25:31.600 And this man hates the English.

00:25:33.580 And even though the people at Glastonbury can't come to understand that themselves.

00:25:38.000 I don't think they'll understand that ever.

00:25:39.900 They will one day.

00:25:41.200 And so, as Rupert points out, who's with me?

00:25:43.500 Because that's all it is.

00:25:44.780 I want my country back.

00:25:46.520 And this man has laid down the gauntlet at Glastonbury and invited a challenge to you.

00:25:52.980 He says, you want your country back?

00:25:55.480 Come and get it, right? 1.00

00:25:57.440 But what he fails to understand, because he's an ignorant fool, is the fact that the hour is actually quite late for people like him, right? 0.99

00:26:07.660 Things are getting really, really tense now. 0.99

00:26:10.280 And it's remarkable because I saw this two days ago.

00:26:14.520 And I had my rant in my room with no one watching, right?

00:26:19.300 Just kicking and throwing and flailing the limbs out, right?

00:26:22.220 And then I calmed down.

00:26:24.240 And now I'm getting irate again.

00:26:26.360 Yes.

00:26:26.820 Because it's just there.

00:26:28.400 It's burning.

00:26:29.500 It's the calm anger that's most dangerous.

00:26:31.980 And that's exactly what they're provoking.

00:26:33.680 They're provoking a determined reaction.

00:26:38.580 And they're making it necessary.

00:26:42.860 Yes, they are.

00:26:43.440 And so America as well, just our ally, the special relationship.

00:26:48.700 Well, I'm sure that our American friends over in the Trump administration saw him saying, oh, wow, this guy kind of hates the English.

00:26:57.320 Yeah.

00:26:57.640 They're our friends.

00:26:58.600 They're our allies.

00:26:59.960 Should we?

00:27:00.260 Oh, no, they were worried about the Israel part again.

00:27:04.020 So, again, this is what it all comes down to, right?

00:27:06.920 There is one side of this that matters far more than the other.

00:27:11.420 Yeah.

00:27:11.560 And the perception of it online, amongst all of the establishment types, have totally twisted which one you are supposed to care about more.

00:27:23.720 And I'm obviously just trying to tell you it's obvious which one you should care about more.

00:27:29.780 You feel it intuitively.

00:27:31.200 And if you don't, you really have to ask yourself why.

00:27:34.420 Yeah.

00:27:35.200 I agree with that.

00:27:36.400 Couldn't.

00:27:38.260 So, I'll go to the comments.

00:27:42.200 Tom Rat 247 says, villain is why I'm not only for re-migration, but for modern exile.

00:27:49.920 Commit a crime egregious enough.

00:27:51.680 Go to prison until a third country agrees to take you. 0.85

00:27:56.600 Habsification says, the establishment left versus right care more about which side of a war in the Middle East

00:28:01.820 between two different, Sam, great, no Fed posting, thank you, instead of the ancestral, yes, it's true.

00:28:10.360 I will not now shut up.

00:28:12.760 I think that meant to say not, yes, Bay State.

00:28:16.080 I consider this a terrific win for free speech absolutism. 1.00

00:28:20.180 That idiot got up on stage, broadcast lefty racial hate to millions of people on the BBC for everyone to see. 1.00

00:28:27.280 Well, that really is the point as well, isn't it? 1.00

00:28:29.200 As well, better to have this free speech.

00:28:31.820 And him just say that live in front of millions and millions of people.

00:28:36.160 Yeah.

00:28:36.440 Then him harbour it privately and leave you second guessing.

00:28:40.620 Well, look at him.

00:28:41.980 It's not that much of a second guess, is it?

00:28:43.760 But you take my point about his motives.

00:28:46.240 So, anyway.

00:28:47.960 Okay, over to you, Mr. Wolf.

00:28:50.640 Right.

00:28:51.260 Well, it looks like we're going to have a pretty interesting day ahead of us.

00:28:57.060 So, I'm now looking.

00:28:58.920 It's all right.

00:28:59.440 Harry, I'll move it over for you.

00:29:00.920 He's just working on it.

00:29:02.440 Yeah.

00:29:02.800 Just getting on to my little bit.

00:29:04.420 Thoughts and prayers for Samson, everyone.

00:29:06.560 He's very, very sick today.

00:29:07.800 Hi.

00:29:10.320 Oopsie-daisy.

00:29:11.480 No.

00:29:12.460 Okay.

00:29:13.220 Right.

00:29:13.840 So, this should be the first one.

00:29:16.360 So, the big kind of breaking news this morning, I had plans for a totally different kind of podcast about freedom of speech and how it's been impacted by the European Union, and I'll have to wait until tomorrow now, was that we had news that I've been kind of known about, I've been aware of for quite some time, was the kind of a launch of a new political party by Ben Habib.

00:29:41.280 The timing came out a little bit different to where we were expecting it, and I think that'll show why towards the end of this, why that timing is very important in politics.

00:29:54.500 So, we go into the background of this, obviously.

00:29:57.140 Ben Habib, former MEP, former deputy leader of reform, ousted in the changes by Nigel Farage when he said he was coming back, when Nigel realized that he had a chance of winning a seat in parliament.

00:30:10.400 And was unhelpfully and pretty rudely dropped in a pretty bad way.

00:30:17.340 And we've then seen the same apply to Rupert Lowe, elected as a reform MP and then treated abysmally by Nigel and his team as well.

00:30:27.580 And we've seen the changes of what's happened in reform, where we've just even basically talked about Richard Tice, saying he didn't really care that the country is changing and will be majority Muslim or non-British by a certain particular day.

00:30:41.660 We've seen the abhorrence towards Tommy Robinson or people who support that kind of ideology, the continued attacks on Rupert Lowe, the taxation issues, which are more left-wing and Labour.

00:30:55.140 So, all of that has been going on in reform.

00:30:58.520 And we've seen people now, even recently, watching Nigel Farage laughing with the crossing of the floor of a very cozy chat, first of all, with Keir Starmer in parliament.

00:31:11.540 And them laughing and joking, and now the one with Peter Mandelson at the American Embassy.

00:31:17.040 So, all of this is making a suggestion that something's not fit and proper in reform and that they're looking for power, just for power's sake.

00:31:26.880 They've got the influence, they've got the momentum, they've got the people backing them.

00:31:30.420 But maybe they will not be the saviors of a patriotic party that is truly wanting Britain to change and go back to a way that was more positive about who we are as a nation.

00:31:41.640 So, Ben Habib has been thinking about this for a while, talks are ongoing with Rupert Lowe for quite some time, and a number of other individuals, both on the right and the online right and others, to try and bring in an idea of a patriotic group of people.

00:32:01.000 Ben Habib launches this morning on this, very clearly, and he puts up – I won't play it for too long.

00:32:08.300 I think it's just because we haven't got the time, and it's worth better to have the discussion about it.

00:32:13.120 But maybe a bit too loud, just to reduce it.

00:32:17.000 Hello, folks.

00:32:35.000 Now, some of you will know me as Ben Habib, the political commentator.

00:32:39.120 Others as Ben Habib, the former deputy leader of Reform UK, as I was.

00:32:44.140 Ben Habib, the Brexit party MEP, as I was.

00:32:48.940 But today, I address you in a new capacity.

00:32:52.780 I address you as the leader in waiting of Advance UK, a new political force on the British political landscape, a new political party.

00:33:04.300 So, why a new political party?

00:33:07.840 Right. So, you can see very clearly there, he's putting back to his history of what he's done to help, in his view, defend the nation-state, in the particular formats that he's done.

00:33:21.060 And he's recognising that what many people have been saying for a while, we need a new political party, and a party that will challenge reform.

00:33:28.640 So, he makes that. It's a very good video, very interesting, and he sets out some very good points, because he is a great speaker.

00:33:35.960 He comes out, he's intelligent, he's a great communicator, he's a great communicator, and he's a decent person, who really genuinely believes in this country, and really genuinely believes in making the fundamental changes,

00:33:49.660 and attacking those institutional kind of barriers, such as quangos, and the civil service, and the laws that are kind of restricting us from having any growth and protection of our nation.

00:34:04.680 So, he goes on, he sets out a nice little website, where he introduces the kind of party as a whole, and just trying to get, yeah, scroll down, if you could do that for me, that would be fantastic.

00:34:19.420 Sorry, I just need you to stop moving the mouse for a second, that's alright.

00:34:22.920 Yep. So, he comes back there, he sets out in here, in that, a kind of mission statement, I think as we're coming down on here, why a new party?

00:34:33.320 And it's quite an interesting little thing, we saw in the video, nothing has worked.

00:34:37.620 Well, we argue about this, and moan about this, and show it all the time, but he puts out a nice clear mission statement, and out of that mission statement, he's got four particular points that he wants to look at.

00:34:50.140 The first is, stand for the nation-state of the United Kingdom, tick.

00:34:53.460 Freedom of speech, tick.

00:34:55.500 Democracy, tick. 1.00

00:34:56.880 And equality before the law, tick.

00:34:59.000 Those is his key fundamentals of what he's setting out as his mission for this political party.

00:35:05.120 And the first point about that is, I agree with all of them.

00:35:07.720 But I would say, wouldn't of the political parties also argue that they're doing exactly the same?

00:35:13.100 Isn't that what they would also say?

00:35:14.920 Well, we do this as well, not that we agree with it.

00:35:18.540 Yes, I mean, obviously they've failed.

00:35:20.660 Yeah.

00:35:20.860 So, they've upped them on every single one of them, but yes, they would say that.

00:35:25.040 So, he's wanting to join 30,000 people to come and join this kind of start of a movement, help us mend it, and as I say, you go through there, the nation, freedom, democracy, equality under UK law.

00:35:39.260 Again, it's all nicely set out.

00:35:41.720 He then tries to be different, how we will work, and he sets out five key elements of this new political party, which I think he says,

00:35:48.960 really tries to differentiate himself from that of the company that's owned by Zia Youssef and Nigel Farage with no input of the political members.

00:36:00.280 Well, this was, if I understand Ben's greatest contention with reform.

00:36:04.780 The fact that it was basically just Nigel's party, Nigel would always be in charge of the party, and Nigel would choose the successor of the party.

00:36:11.440 There was no, if it's all about, you know, returning authority of, like, the direction of the nation to the British people, then that's not a very successful way to go about it.

00:36:24.080 Absolutely, and he sees the restriction of that, and so he's worked hard behind that.

00:36:28.160 He's used lawyers, he's looked at different philosophies to try and come up with a kind of, what he believes is a constitution that hopefully has members who elect a college.

00:36:41.380 The college, the concept is to be independent individuals who are, like the great and good, holding to truth the founding principles of the party, who do not necessarily, and you look at that, become part of, who are independent of the party executive, and do not necessarily even get elected, potentially as MPs.

00:37:03.240 They can't really, they are just going to hold the executive, its MPs, to account, and this is our principles, and if you veer off it, you're gone.

00:37:10.760 That sort of thing, really.

00:37:13.380 It seems a little bit thin, though, other than, okay, this is a decent way to run the party.

00:37:20.460 The rest of it, in terms of content, it's sort of washed over liberalism with the nation-state added on top of it.

00:37:30.020 Yeah.

00:37:30.760 It doesn't seem to be very credible or well thought out.

00:37:35.040 What do you think?

00:37:35.560 Well, I'm looking at this, and this is what some of the criticisms that we'll get down to when we go through it, is that here people are saying, you've got a great man, like him, love what he's standing for, but this idea of a college, okay, that's perfectly fine, but who are the leadership?

00:37:52.200 Who are the board of directors already that you've got?

00:37:55.480 You've even said in your opening, kind of salve, that you're interim leader.

00:38:01.020 You don't even really look as though you want to be the leader.

00:38:03.920 Where are your policies?

00:38:05.480 What are we seeing on this?

00:38:06.860 So it's a nice little front image.

00:38:09.480 It's a nice video.

00:38:10.700 It's got some nice statements, but where's the fundamental backing?

00:38:14.820 Where's the meat?

00:38:15.380 Yes.

00:38:15.740 Where's the substance?

00:38:16.360 Which is what people need.

00:38:17.360 And that's right.

00:38:18.740 Yes.

00:38:19.800 I mean, the tragedy of it is that unless you've figured out everything from farming to fishing to industrial policy to immigration policy as well to the NHS, you can't be that credible because of the way the system works.

00:38:35.840 Because the British system is extremely complex with the sheer number of ministers who are on the payroll, who are going to be required to govern, with the number of people who will need to go through legislation and decide how do you slash quangos, how do you reduce the size and influence of the civil service, and how do you change the ideological zeal of the civil service to something that is actually lasting?

00:39:02.940 So unless you've got a Tony Blair-style figure who can force through an enormous amount of change in a very short period of time and rely on popularity and explain that, look, this is going to involve an enormous amount of short-term economic pain, if you start firing quangos left and right and civil servants left and right and reducing the numbers of migrants and all of that, there is going to be an economic effect. 0.67

00:39:31.360 Now, mind you, you will recover economically very quickly if you do the right things and accept that pain because it's sheer brilliance of this country, but you've got to be honest enough to explain what the pain is, where it's necessary, and how you're going to inflict it on a big chunk of people whose middle-class status relies on them receiving money from the government.

00:39:56.560 Because they work for these quangos, because they are civil servants, because they are employed by the NHS, et cetera, et cetera. 1.00

00:40:04.520 So you've got to be able to communicate, okay, we want to get there, there are these intermediate steps, they're painful, they're strictly necessary, and this is what you could expect to see by the end of the first parliament.

00:40:17.660 And that is the chunk, that is the kind of meat.

00:40:20.780 And that's the meat.

00:40:21.520 That's the meat.

00:40:22.360 Whereas democracy and equality before the law, like, Keir Starmer will never admit that there's no equality before the law.

00:40:28.180 Yeah.

00:40:29.880 Oh, he wouldn't.

00:40:30.540 Hermer sort of says, no, that's a conspiracy theory, and it's evil, and blah, blah, blah.

00:40:34.940 So, like, you're tilting at windmills here still.

00:40:41.260 You're arguing over things that should have been argued during the 1965 Race Relations Act, and now here we are two generations later, this is reality, what's your answer?

00:40:53.280 And therein comes the point.

00:40:54.700 So I'm going to go on and say, okay, look, you know, we've got some people saying for nearly a year, I've said that reform is not the real deal, which is basically what Ben is saying.

00:41:04.140 It's not the real deal, and it's also what Rupert is saying, and a whole load of people.

00:41:08.060 I'm glad that Ben has acted wonderful.

00:41:10.220 He's going to back him and support him.

00:41:12.580 And then you'll have Richard Taylor, reasonable following on, and he says, I'm going to follow him.

00:41:18.480 It's great, happy to announce the UK, so there's some support in there.

00:41:23.320 And then you've got David Vance, I think, making a bit of a joke that he's got advance in his name.

00:41:29.480 It's literally cool in there.

00:41:31.580 And that I find is interesting about it, because David would normally, like, support something like this out and out, but he's making a joke about it.

00:41:39.460 Right.

00:41:40.280 And that's my first element of concern that we're coming in.

00:41:44.360 People are already beginning to make a joke about this element, seeming a little more democratic than reform.

00:41:52.080 So you've got, not only that, they're undercutting reforms, 15-pound membership, because he's charging 10 pounds.

00:41:58.840 I mean, that's one of his points.

00:41:59.820 He says, I want 30,000 members.

00:42:01.900 I'm going to give you all 10 pounds to join.

00:42:04.800 I'm going to take 10 pounds.

00:42:05.620 And when I get 30,000, I'm going to donate 100,000 to myself.

00:42:09.680 Well, that leads into the first criticism.

00:42:11.540 It's an element of thinking about it.

00:42:13.200 That's only 400,000 pounds.

00:42:15.120 Yes.

00:42:15.440 You can't run a political party on 400,000 pounds.

00:42:17.880 When I was looking to lead UKIP all that time ago, I mean, it's nearly just under a decade ago, we were looking at the party needing 2 million pounds a year.

00:42:28.080 And most of that, actually, to be fair, most of that was coming through membership fees.

00:42:31.580 They only needed to top up about half a million a year in terms of big donors and other ways of doing it.

00:42:36.480 And at that time, that was 2014-15, they were challenging the Conservative Party.

00:42:41.480 They were doing well.

00:42:42.640 The idea was that 5 million a year would actually really put the wind up Labour and Tories.

00:42:48.660 And that's really a figure that you should be looking at in today's day and age of about 5 million a year.

00:42:54.980 And you can't do it unless you've got the first fundamentals of who are your staff, who's your head of communications, who's your head of policy,

00:43:03.160 who's running all the different organizations around the country, your regional organizers.

00:43:07.500 All of these people are going to need to be paid.

00:43:10.000 Who's helping you on research?

00:43:11.300 They need to be paid because some people will not do it for free.

00:43:14.940 Yet your advocates will do it for free.

00:43:17.280 The people knocking on the doors will do it for free.

00:43:19.420 But the people who've got to do this 24 hours a day, who've got to concentrate on the need to be paid.

00:43:25.660 And 400,000 pounds will not go far.

00:43:28.020 No, you need a healthcare person.

00:43:29.640 You need a housing person.

00:43:30.800 You need an immigration couple of people.

00:43:33.460 You need a foreign policy person.

00:43:35.440 You need bench depth.

00:43:37.700 You need industry.

00:43:39.360 You need farming.

00:43:40.340 You need fishing.

00:43:41.160 You need rural areas.

00:43:42.920 There's a lot of expertise required to sort of actually create radical change.

00:43:50.240 And reform isn't showing that either.

00:43:53.400 And the only people who have that level of expertise, unfortunately, are the conservatives.

00:43:58.180 Yes.

00:43:58.780 And they get paid very well.

00:44:01.600 And they get paid.

00:44:02.260 But look at where they are.

00:44:03.940 Basic researchers of the Conservative Party are getting 40,000 pounds a year.

00:44:07.860 That's the start off.

00:44:08.700 Right.

00:44:08.980 But of course, then they're given different opportunities in think tanks and other areas where additional monies are provided to them.

00:44:15.100 Yes.

00:44:15.240 So if you're going to have a launch of a political party, you're going to at least need 10, 20 people who are being paid those levels of money, which to some in London is actually going to be realized as too cheap.

00:44:26.820 I know that sounds awful to people who are earning a lot less than that.

00:44:29.460 But in order to get that organized, that means that this political party needs at least 1.2 million pounds a year to be able to fund people who know about immigration.

00:44:39.240 Yes.

00:44:39.380 You've got to have someone deal with that.

00:44:40.460 Know about all the points you've raised.

00:44:42.140 Yes.

00:44:42.320 400,000 won't cut it.

00:44:43.820 If he got to 30,000 people with 30 pounds each and he adds 100,000 of himself, that's a million.

00:44:51.380 That's a reasonable start.

00:44:52.860 Yes.

00:44:53.340 It's a reasonable start.

00:44:54.560 But 400,000 is going to be a weak point for them if he gets it.

00:44:58.560 Yep.

00:44:58.720 So what about the media people?

00:45:02.000 What are they saying?

00:45:03.080 Well, Dan Wharton, normally a big supporter of Ben, just announces it.

00:45:07.140 He's held talks with Elon Musk and he's held talks with Rupert Lowe.

00:45:10.740 But Rupert Lowe is not joining.

00:45:12.920 Now let's park that because aren't those two the big beasts outside of Nigel Farage?

00:45:18.580 Yeah.

00:45:19.860 Yeah.

00:45:20.200 Who are the big beasts in the Conservative Party?

00:45:22.340 Possibly Generic raising his head, but he's still actually relatively weak in polling terms.

00:45:26.820 Right.

00:45:27.360 Farage is the big beast out there.

00:45:29.300 None of reforms others come anywhere near.

00:45:32.280 So the two big beasts on the right who could potentially form a political partnership to challenge Nigel are Ben and also Rupert.

00:45:40.900 And when you come to the United States, I've had lots of calls with people in the United States,

00:45:44.900 talking to people who funded PACs and Trump directly through fundraising campaigns.

00:45:51.740 All of them say, yeah, we've heard of Rupert Lowe.

00:45:54.620 We know that he's had conversations with Elon and we've heard of Ben, but they're not in the same level.

00:46:00.920 They're both recognized as being important, but there's a differential.

00:46:04.880 Yes.

00:46:05.200 Rupert is an MP.

00:46:06.460 Yeah.

00:46:07.400 He's also done a lot more credibility.

00:46:09.320 And that MP is the credibility.

00:46:11.500 That's exactly the point.

00:46:13.160 You get it.

00:46:14.060 So not joining creates an issue.

00:46:16.840 It makes the whole exercise by Ben Habib seem a bit pointless.

00:46:22.120 And that's the, that's a bit of a, yeah.

00:46:24.040 And that's becoming the big danger.

00:46:25.960 Maya Tusi, who I know also personally likes Ben Habib very much, launches a new political party.

00:46:31.560 Neither of these so far is we support it or think it's great.

00:46:35.400 It's silent because they're holding their tongue.

00:46:38.700 Jim Ferguson, launch it.

00:46:40.520 Same sort of thing.

00:46:41.320 And then you come in the criticisms.

00:46:46.480 First of all, this is where a big issue.

00:46:49.000 When you type in Advance UK into the websites, that's what you get.

00:46:54.740 This is, I, you know, for me, first and foremost, the name just doesn't work.

00:47:00.780 Right.

00:47:01.380 It just doesn't work.

00:47:02.960 It sounds, it doesn't inspire any sense of vision.

00:47:08.220 It has no, no music to it.

00:47:10.540 You know, as bad as the parties are, labor, like, is a word that has some color to it.

00:47:16.040 Right.

00:47:16.440 Labor is an evocative word.

00:47:18.580 It makes you think of work and it makes you think of, you know, it, it reflects the working

00:47:23.200 class roots of the party.

00:47:24.640 Yeah.

00:47:24.780 Like conservative.

00:47:26.000 Right.

00:47:26.280 It has like an image to it, gravitas to it.

00:47:31.020 Advance.

00:47:32.100 To where?

00:47:32.720 To what?

00:47:33.440 Like, it's...

00:47:33.800 Can I get an advance, please?

00:47:34.800 Yeah.

00:47:35.080 It doesn't...

00:47:36.060 It sounds corporate.

00:47:37.800 It's a fair...

00:47:38.400 It doesn't have any...

00:47:39.720 It does sound corporate.

00:47:40.960 That's the point.

00:47:41.920 And that's what people are picking up and have just come along and they say, and also the

00:47:45.960 fact that his, his, uh, X account is underscore Advance UK, where this lot is Advance UK.

00:47:52.380 Right.

00:47:53.400 So already you're choosing a name that's going to cause masses of issues.

00:47:57.920 You know, in Google search and all the rest of it.

00:48:02.260 So people are going to be looking for your political party.

00:48:04.760 They're going to get this.

00:48:05.520 And some are saying, well, this one's closed or it's defunct.

00:48:08.860 It doesn't matter.

00:48:09.980 It's out there.

00:48:11.700 Um, is it fully registered with the electoral commission?

00:48:14.160 The answer is no.

00:48:15.380 Ben has said he's not put Advance UK.

00:48:18.620 So all it now takes is someone to register Advance UK with the electoral commission and

00:48:24.260 his name's gone.

00:48:24.980 So he's announced to the world, we're not registered with the electoral commission.

00:48:31.440 So someone could do it.

00:48:32.500 And then obviously Catherine Bateslott says, look, there's a liberal Democrat movement out

00:48:36.700 there already.

00:48:37.700 So there's criticism over the name.

00:48:41.040 Then now there's criticism of the splits.

00:48:44.040 Where does he fit himself in?

00:48:45.800 And this is one of the key points that I wanted to say about bringing Ben and Rupert together.

00:48:51.100 Yes, I know there are discussions.

00:48:52.720 Both of them respect each other immensely.

00:48:55.100 Both of them have had disagreements about where we go with this.

00:48:58.560 Clearly Ben has said, I want to launch this party.

00:49:01.340 And when we'll come to the end of this piece where Rupert has gone.

00:49:05.080 But the reality is now you have Reclaim, which is defunct.

00:49:08.600 That's just Lawrence Fox sitting there enjoying himself.

00:49:11.900 You know, the Heritage Party, which again is David.

00:49:14.860 I like David Curtin.

00:49:15.860 David Curtin is great.

00:49:17.000 It's been there for a while.

00:49:17.900 But how many members is that?

00:49:19.140 Yeah.

00:49:19.340 Really, how is he going to make any impact?

00:49:21.520 Homeland, good branding, a lot more members growing up there.

00:49:24.800 But what's the difference between them and UKIP apart from the fact that they seem to have

00:49:28.360 a falling out?

00:49:28.940 They're very similar in that.

00:49:30.460 And now Advance UK.

00:49:32.280 So you have five parties quite clearly saying, looking for the populist national bridge right,

00:49:36.900 is now divided between, and they've added reform in there.

00:49:40.960 I would turn around and say yes to an extent.

00:49:43.200 That's a huge favor to the establishment.

00:49:45.400 Absolutely.

00:49:46.160 That's a huge favor to the establishment that's being done.

00:49:49.260 All those others, Homeland, UKIP, Heritage, should be turning around and saying, we're

00:49:54.240 too small, too underfunded, not popular enough to be able to advance the cause.

00:49:58.980 We need to fall behind somebody who is believing in that patriarchy.

00:50:03.460 And that somebody needs to be able to draw them in.

00:50:05.740 That somebody needs to be not ashamed of them and be able to sort of draw them in.

00:50:09.020 Absolutely.

00:50:09.320 And if you do that, you can tame what you might see to be excesses among some of them,

00:50:15.100 and you can give them a pathway to government and give them experience.

00:50:19.260 In proper frontline politics, without which they don't stand a chance.

00:50:24.140 So this is just a battle of personal egos and brands at this stage, and it's very embarrassing.

00:50:30.300 It makes it very hard as well, and this is not Ben's fault, but it makes it very hard

00:50:35.900 as well to make your own party after what happened to Ben, and for it not to simply be like the

00:50:42.900 Revenge on Nigel party.

00:50:44.340 That is how it will be perceived by a lot of people out there.

00:50:48.220 And unless he launched at the same time with Rupert, that's exactly what it's going to look

00:50:53.840 like, I'm afraid.

00:50:55.560 To some people, they're already making that case out there, which in some ways is not very

00:51:01.760 fair on Ben.

00:51:03.040 No, I agree.

00:51:03.620 It doesn't really matter whether it's fair or not.

00:51:06.220 And that political perception, the political capital is what's that, and that's why I think

00:51:11.860 you're getting the media and the online media being very calm and tame about it, because

00:51:16.860 they're saying, we don't want to offend Ben, because he's a nice guy, but this does look

00:51:21.240 exactly like that, because it's not moving out there with a whole launch of people behind

00:51:25.940 him.

00:51:26.560 He needed more.

00:51:27.580 Even before Faraj came back, Reform's position on policy was pretty weak.

00:51:35.900 It's not that they had developed positions and policies under Tyson Habib, and then Nigel

00:51:44.000 came back and wrecked it.

00:51:44.920 It's just that it was always a bit amateurish.

00:51:48.000 They could be popular because they weren't the Tories, because they weren't part of the

00:51:54.620 old guard.

00:51:55.220 I'm increasingly convinced that the only answer is for the Tories to be actually Tory.

00:52:00.960 Well, they've not managed it for 200 years, but maybe.

00:52:04.580 No, that's the political point.

00:52:06.440 And again, I'm going to whip through a couple more of the criticisms.

00:52:09.160 Here we are.

00:52:09.560 We're locked in a struggle for each of them vying for voter base.

00:52:11.640 It all looks like it's characters first and branding second.

00:52:15.240 And rather than turn around, none of these are bad individuals.

00:52:19.460 I've met most of them.

00:52:20.560 I mean, to be fair, I haven't met Nick Tenconi on UKIP, but I understand he's a decent guy.

00:52:24.760 You know, all of them got the same principles of wanting to save the country and work together,

00:52:28.420 but all of them are looking like it's just my brand, my name, rather than working together.

00:52:32.900 There are strategically different views on some of them, and that's policy, but that

00:52:37.500 should be worked out by bringing them all together at the table.

00:52:40.420 This was an opportunity to do that, an opportunity lost.

00:52:42.940 Basil de Grey talks about Rupert Lowe not joining, and that becomes the big issue that you've

00:52:50.600 just talked about.

00:52:51.860 Interesting then, the political parties reform.

00:52:54.800 Quite rightly, I would do exactly the same if I was head of PR.

00:52:57.980 Says nothing about it.

00:52:59.440 Ignores it completely.

00:53:01.160 Why would they bother?

00:53:02.460 No, there isn't.

00:53:03.220 At the moment, the best thing, online, Connor Tomlinson says nothing about it.

00:53:08.200 Again, coming on here, Charlie Downs says nothing about it.

00:53:14.840 The online movement is saying nothing, and that goes to another thing about where we are,

00:53:20.000 is that the way it's launched.

00:53:23.000 Monday morning, 7.30, online.

00:53:26.940 Okay, I want the onliners to come around and support me, but the online community is not

00:53:33.140 the politics of people as a whole.

00:53:35.120 There's a broader spectrum.

00:53:36.820 It's a nice vocal point.

00:53:38.600 You should have a launch, a proper launch, in which you set out the individuals, the imagery,

00:53:44.260 the branding, the characters, the policies, and you release more policies over a period

00:53:50.020 of time.

00:53:50.540 You release more individuals that are with you over a period of time.

00:53:53.780 You start spreading it, and you also utilize, in some ways, just the online.

00:53:59.860 You could just do it in front of the online.

00:54:01.480 You have a studio, in a studio, in which you invite all the online, or you do it in an

00:54:05.760 office somewhere, you invite all the online, and let the main media have to buy it off

00:54:10.080 them.

00:54:10.560 Yes.

00:54:12.120 Let them buy it.

00:54:13.080 Yeah.

00:54:13.600 But no, it's quietly done, and that's where it dies.

00:54:17.820 Yeah, announcing a party with a tweet on a website is just...

00:54:21.300 Yeah.

00:54:21.460 Now, I look at this, it's just something that's interesting for discussion, but the

00:54:26.760 right needs superstar recruits, clearly articulating, as you said, the policies, immigration, economy.

00:54:34.800 You know, need to somehow include the Tommy lot, too.

00:54:37.300 This is the kind of desire of people to get out there.

00:54:40.940 And then we come here, I think, I just wanted to run through, maybe that's what he's up

00:54:48.080 against.

00:54:48.900 Yes, these numbers have come down considerably 30,000 or so.

00:54:52.640 People are leaving that.

00:54:54.220 You know, at 309,000, we'll take over.

00:54:56.400 It's not going to get to the Labour Party.

00:54:57.740 People are leaving now.

00:54:58.560 But it's still 229,000.

00:55:01.860 That's his target to face.

00:55:04.140 Conservatives, Liberal Democrats, still, even Green Party, big, big numbers.

00:55:08.840 You can't just rely on 30,000 at £10.

00:55:12.100 You need to be a political party.

00:55:13.820 And then, the shocker about an hour or two later, just as we're coming in, this I didn't

00:55:18.620 expect.

00:55:19.140 The two of them launching on the same day.

00:55:21.120 I mean, my God, it's going to send confusion amongst the ranks of the right.

00:55:25.560 Rupert Lodge launches Restore Britain.

00:55:30.820 Restore Britain. 0.85

00:55:31.780 I mean, first of all, talk about the name.

00:55:34.380 Advance or Restore, which is the winner?

00:55:36.420 Well, Restore's the winner.

00:55:37.320 Restore's the winner.

00:55:38.040 Between those two.

00:55:38.900 Yeah.

00:55:39.280 But it's not a political party.

00:55:41.120 It's a movement who believe we need fundamental change the way Britain is government.

00:55:45.700 We'll build a policy platform together.

00:55:48.260 A movement will be created together.

00:55:49.900 A path will be forged together.

00:55:52.980 So, he's not saying, I'm a political party at the moment, because, you know, lots of

00:55:58.320 people are arguing that he should take over the Tory party.

00:56:01.180 Maybe there's some within his group that believe that.

00:56:04.060 Others say, well, just give the Tory party an opportunity to see that their numbers are

00:56:08.900 declining.

00:56:09.540 Our movement will grow.

00:56:10.980 We'll take the best from the Tory party.

00:56:13.620 And therefore, I don't want to frighten everybody else off.

00:56:15.860 Maybe that's their strategy.

00:56:17.500 There's a lot more behind it.

00:56:18.780 It's a far better way of going about things, though.

00:56:21.760 Because then, all of a sudden, what Rupert's really announcing here is obviously the beginning

00:56:26.340 of a discussion with those who want to get on board with policy.

00:56:32.500 Yes.

00:56:32.780 Right?

00:56:33.060 And so that invites you to join.

00:56:35.760 Yes.

00:56:35.940 Because you've got an actual, you're not just a member, you don't just want your money.

00:56:39.420 You actually have a voice in where it's, you know, what the actual policy itself is.

00:56:44.000 That'll create some level of consensus.

00:56:46.640 From there, you can move, you know, to more, you know, stronger direction.

00:56:54.000 What I'm trying to say, they have a sturdier platform, a sturdier foundation to build off

00:57:00.660 of what I'm trying to say.

00:57:00.980 Absolutely.

00:57:01.380 What I kind of know from this is that the idea is we don't mind which political party

00:57:08.220 you're already a member of.

00:57:09.360 You could be a member of reform.

00:57:10.580 You could be a member of a conservative party.

00:57:11.940 You could be independent.

00:57:13.000 You could be a member of any of those other organizations we've also mentioned.

00:57:16.280 But you join the movement because the movement's the same principle.

00:57:18.780 We want Britain back.

00:57:19.780 You know, he's very clearly dealing with immigration.

00:57:22.160 He's got some policy ideas that he's already said about who he is.

00:57:24.900 But this Restore Britain will come in.

00:57:27.240 You join in.

00:57:28.120 Then we're going to start looking at policies.

00:57:30.200 You can be involved in it.

00:57:31.300 You won't be involved in it.

00:57:32.280 You might not wish to be involved in it.

00:57:34.000 But we're going to start building this together.

00:57:36.560 And if it gets to a level where you're talking 30, same sort of numbers as advanced, 30,000

00:57:42.800 or 50,000, then there will be pressure to say either, look, Tories, join us because

00:57:49.920 you're about to be taken over.

00:57:51.340 Yes.

00:57:51.760 Or, well, we'll only take those of you who really want to, Swayla, Liz, for example,

00:57:57.680 but we'll also take those on the right from different parties and we will form a party

00:58:01.580 then.

00:58:02.320 And I think that's really where this idea is at the moment.

00:58:07.060 Give the opportunity for people to come together of all political spectrums, look at the policies,

00:58:11.320 do you agree?

00:58:12.420 And then there is the challenge. 0.99

00:58:14.240 We kill the Tories completely and take it over.

00:58:17.000 Or if they're not willing to move that way, we launch a political party, which may well be 0.90

00:58:20.980 the use of Benz.

00:58:22.340 But I don't think it'd be under that name.

00:58:24.180 No.

00:58:24.660 You know, I don't think it will.

00:58:26.700 And so he sets itself out.

00:58:28.940 He's very clear about the objective.

00:58:30.860 The thing is, this is a, this is easily a two or three year project.

00:58:35.760 Yes.

00:58:37.040 And, you know, getting close to 2026 now.

00:58:40.820 Yeah.

00:58:41.480 Oh, I share your anxieties.

00:58:43.840 Don't you worry.

00:58:44.880 It's a couple of years before there's the election.

00:58:49.200 This fragmentation shouldn't be happening.

00:58:51.640 No.

00:58:51.800 There should be a lot more seriousness about it.

00:58:53.540 Yes.

00:58:53.780 And the thing is, so long as Badenog is sitting there as the sort of head of the Conservative

00:59:01.340 Party, it's like, this issue is unresolved.

00:59:05.640 Yeah.

00:59:05.980 And I think at the moment it's like both of these, the instability within the Conservative

00:59:11.820 Party and the lack of decision making of what party they are.

00:59:14.960 Are we a party of the left and Liberal Democrats who's still there, the Michael Goves of this

00:59:19.080 world, you know, if we're still that party, then by all means go on there.

00:59:24.020 And anyone who's serious Conservatives need to make a decision within the next year or

00:59:29.060 so, even less than that, I would argue.

00:59:30.900 The next six months.

00:59:31.720 And either go, look, we've got to either join one of these, because on the other side, we've

00:59:36.940 got reform who are making waves.

00:59:39.440 They will do successfully in Wales next year.

00:59:42.180 They will trounce.

00:59:43.620 And so that movement will lose an opportunity.

00:59:46.580 And I think that's what people are thinking.

00:59:47.920 OK, reform's going to be there.

00:59:49.220 We can be the party that are under the Conservative banner.

00:59:51.600 It can't be where it is now, because the Conservatives will not change between that dichotomy.

00:59:57.400 So we're losing time.

00:59:59.480 And the only winner out of this in the end will be the Labour Party, because they will still

01:00:04.980 stay in power, backed by SNP, Liberal Democrats, Green Party members.

01:00:10.780 Coalition to save the progressive, just as you get on the continent.

01:00:14.720 Absolutely.

01:00:15.620 Absolutely.

01:00:16.060 And they'll keep Farage out.

01:00:18.360 I'll just whisk through some.

01:00:20.340 Sorry, I've gone over time a bit.

01:00:21.400 No, no, it's all right.

01:00:22.260 The breaking news broke it.

01:00:23.500 Yeah.

01:00:25.680 Tomrat247.

01:00:26.320 There are all kinds of issues I have with the advanced party, but conversely, a tiny

01:00:29.960 Yorkshireman on my shoulder shot in £10 bargain.

01:00:33.860 Well, I can relate to that for sure.

01:00:38.440 Opunk says, do you think the Americans...

01:00:41.360 Oh, no, this is from the last segment.

01:00:42.880 So we'll just move on to yours, Farage.

01:00:44.540 All right.

01:00:44.960 Could I have that mouse?

01:00:45.900 Because this one doesn't seem to be responding to me.

01:00:48.100 There you go.

01:00:48.720 Thank you.

01:00:50.360 So I'm very happy to report that the Catholic Church in Britain is showing strong signs of

01:00:56.700 health.

01:00:57.160 MP Chris Cochran voted for the assisted suicide bill.

01:01:04.600 Good.

01:01:05.320 He was told by his priest that if he persisted in doing so, he would be obstinately committing

01:01:15.340 grave sins, and this would cost him communion.

01:01:18.640 He would no longer be able to receive communion.

01:01:21.440 What this means, for those of you who don't know, the Catholics receive the body and blood

01:01:25.980 of Christ in the Eucharist at every Mass.

01:01:29.280 That's the center of Catholic life, really.

01:01:32.540 And you can't receive it if you are in a state of mortal sin.

01:01:36.840 You should stop yourself from receiving it.

01:01:39.340 But if this sin is public, the Church is allowed to deny you communion.

01:01:43.160 Absolutely.

01:01:44.300 The celebrant, the priest at the Mass is allowed to say, no, no, no, you can get a blessing,

01:01:48.940 but you can't receive communion anymore.

01:01:51.860 Yes.

01:01:51.940 And so a priest decided to go ahead and do this.

01:01:55.980 And the MP in question, rather than reacting with a modicum of humility and with a modicum

01:02:00.740 of contrition, thinking, you know, I recognize that I belong to the Church and I recognize

01:02:07.120 that I am not the moral authority here, the Church is, which is what every Catholic should

01:02:12.380 believe, he decides that, no, no, he's going to try to shame the priest for doing so.

01:02:19.200 And the argument there is that it is a matter of grave public interest, the extent to which

01:02:25.920 religious MPs came under pressure to represent their religion and not necessarily their constituents

01:02:31.880 in the assisted dying vote.

01:02:33.660 No.

01:02:34.240 A couple of points here.

01:02:35.940 Firstly, you are a man living a public life.

01:02:40.700 You are meant to lead, not follow.

01:02:45.380 Yes.

01:02:45.700 So you are meant to exercise your own conscience, informed by your beliefs, and convince your

01:02:52.760 constituents that this is the correct choice.

01:02:55.820 So saying merely the public wants this and I will follow through with it, that's not leadership.

01:03:01.760 That's not being a man.

01:03:02.820 And no more than letting your children have all of the sugar that they want and watch 1.00

01:03:07.740 all the television that they want is being a good parent.

01:03:10.920 This isn't how it's supposed to work.

01:03:12.480 You're supposed to explain to your public and to your constituents what is informing your

01:03:18.860 decision making.

01:03:20.440 So just because the public says that they want this doesn't mean that you should do it,

01:03:23.820 firstly.

01:03:24.500 Secondly, there's absolutely no evidence that the public wanted the NHS to be turned into

01:03:28.500 a murder service.

01:03:29.560 No.

01:03:29.660 And that's a sort of important point.

01:03:34.820 And then he goes on to say, this was utterly disrespectful to my family, my constituents,

01:03:40.220 including the congregation and the democratic process.

01:03:43.500 My private religion will continue to have zero direct relevance to my work as an MP.

01:03:49.660 Hold on a second.

01:03:51.340 For every Muslim in parliament, their religion pretty much fully informs everything that they

01:03:57.180 do in parliament.

01:03:58.860 But then they're representing an entirely Muslim base. 0.95

01:04:02.340 But they're representing.

01:04:02.880 So there's no contradiction for them.

01:04:05.020 And those who are not, they don't feel obligated to.

01:04:06.180 Sometimes they're representing a 40% Muslim constituency.

01:04:09.100 Right.

01:04:09.300 Because the way voting breaks down.

01:04:11.840 So it's not, that's not exactly accurate.

01:04:14.020 I know you should say you would deserve this, maybe instructed to you for the judgment.

01:04:17.320 I would like you to also do exactly what you've just done.

01:04:20.880 Take this clip that we've just had now and put that on there as well and make him try and

01:04:25.180 understand that as a Catholic, you are not the moral authority. 0.77

01:04:30.060 It is God.

01:04:31.440 It is the church that is the moral authority.

01:04:33.840 And as a Catholic, you have to take those principles and either accept them and push them

01:04:38.000 forward or say you're not a Catholic.

01:04:40.020 You have both choices.

01:04:42.000 You have both choices.

01:04:43.260 You have both choices available to you.

01:04:44.880 You can pick which one you prefer.

01:04:46.700 Yeah.

01:04:48.420 And it seems that the reason this guy goes to a Catholic church is because his children

01:04:54.720 go to a Catholic school.

01:04:56.420 That's right.

01:04:57.120 And so admissions to a Catholic school are helped by attending mass regularly.

01:05:02.540 Right.

01:05:03.440 Because surprise, surprise, Catholic schools actually want to teach Catholics.

01:05:07.560 What a shock.

01:05:08.300 I know the injustice of it all.

01:05:11.220 And that's the reason that he's there.

01:05:13.340 Yeah.

01:05:13.560 But he's basing his argument completely on liberal perspectives.

01:05:19.660 And he doesn't seem to get what this is all about.

01:05:23.880 No.

01:05:24.100 And so who came out to support him?

01:05:25.920 Well, obviously, Kim Ledbetter came out to support him.

01:05:29.800 Is she a Catholic?

01:05:30.980 Absolutely not.

01:05:31.820 She's the one responsible for the assisted suicide bill. 1.00

01:05:34.940 And she says...

01:05:35.960 What is this MP?

01:05:36.880 Is he a Lib Dem MP?

01:05:37.900 He's a Lib Dem MP.

01:05:38.540 You can't be a Lib Dem MP.

01:05:40.120 Yes.

01:05:40.280 I can't be a Lib Dem and a Catholic.

01:05:41.840 Sorry.

01:05:43.280 You could under a different time.

01:05:45.560 But at a time where the Lib Dems celebrate...

01:05:47.920 3077 or something like that.

01:05:49.980 And abortion on demand and all of that, obviously not.

01:05:53.120 And Kim...

01:05:53.920 This is Ledbetter says,

01:05:56.160 Religious leaders and people of faith have every right to communicate their views to their MPs and to Parliament as a whole.

01:06:01.640 But this is totally unacceptable.

01:06:03.660 This being him being denied communion.

01:06:06.120 Why?

01:06:06.440 Why doesn't the Catholic Church get to set its own rules?

01:06:10.240 I don't understand.

01:06:12.200 And it's not like the guy did anything that is out of what Catholicism teaches.

01:06:19.040 I want to read a couple of things here.

01:06:22.560 And I'm sorry this is going to take some time.

01:06:24.080 But I think it's important.

01:06:25.300 This is from Evangelium Vitae.

01:06:28.140 An encyclical by St. John Pope II.

01:06:34.100 And it's called the Gospel of Life.

01:06:36.940 You know?

01:06:37.580 The Gospel of Life is at the heart of Jesus' message.

01:06:40.400 Lovingly received day after day by the Church.

01:06:43.280 It is to be preached with dauntless fidelity.

01:06:46.060 Your duty is to preach what the Church teaches, not what you believe.

01:06:50.700 That's step one.

01:06:51.720 When he presents the heart of his redemptive mission, Jesus says,

01:06:56.600 I came that they may have life and have it abundantly.

01:07:00.320 The fundamental principle animating the Catholic Church is respect for life.

01:07:05.600 And the idea of the dignity of human life and the worthiness of human life.

01:07:10.260 With its diversity, with its differences, with its nations, with its states, with its different classes, yes.

01:07:16.300 But the principle animating it is that although we are not equal in our capabilities or in what we do in life,

01:07:24.680 we are equal in dignity before God.

01:07:27.240 Am I to understand it right as well from what I remember that also it's strictly forbidden to take your own life?

01:07:33.920 Absolutely.

01:07:34.520 It's strictly forbidden to take your own life.

01:07:37.200 And it's strictly forbidden to take the life of the innocents.

01:07:40.500 And so it's not just about his own conscience and his own support as an MP.

01:07:43.720 But surely as a Catholic also, he's then, under his own metaphysics, denying them salvation by passing legislation that would prohibit them from being able to do them.

01:07:55.160 That's the scandalous part.

01:07:56.420 Yes.

01:07:56.700 So the Church strongly objects to anything that causes scandal in the public.

01:08:01.060 As in, your private sins and your public sins are not the same.

01:08:04.680 Because if you commit certain sins in public, you are normalizing this evil.

01:08:11.760 And you are encouraging others who have less responsibility than you, who are living less of a public life than you, to actually pursue sin.

01:08:21.300 And so you're not just sinning personally, which is bad enough, and we're all guilty of it, yours truly included.

01:08:27.040 It's that you are encouraging others to commit sin.

01:08:31.020 Yeah.

01:08:31.740 That's what makes it particularly bad.

01:08:35.660 Man is called to a fullness of life, which far exceeds the dimensions of his earthly existence, because it consists in sharing the very life of God.

01:08:45.380 The loftiness of the supernatural vocation reveals the greatness and the inestimable value of human life, even in its temporal phase.

01:08:54.920 Absolutely.

01:08:55.680 So this is very clear, isn't it?

01:08:57.400 This is as clear as it gets.

01:08:58.820 And this was written 30 years ago.

01:09:00.820 Yeah.

01:09:01.020 And it continues.

01:09:04.020 The sacred value of human life from its very beginning until its end.

01:09:09.600 Life is sacred from the start, from conception until natural death.

01:09:13.880 That's always been the Catholic position.

01:09:16.320 Nobody came up with anything new.

01:09:18.140 Nobody sort of sprung a surprise on Chris here and sort of, ha-ha, we've changed our minds.

01:09:24.320 No, no, no.

01:09:24.680 We've never changed our minds about this.

01:09:26.100 The Pope's just come out from behind a screen and said, hey, we've only just said we don't like abortion.

01:09:31.100 And here we go. 0.99

01:09:31.940 Oh, by the way, and killing people. 1.00

01:09:33.940 Suicide. 0.97

01:09:34.740 Not really one of our bags, you know, mate, to be honest.

01:09:37.380 What do you think about it, Chris?

01:09:39.340 It's really just the arrogance of it, isn't it?

01:09:43.080 It's just like...

01:09:43.800 It's a lack of humility.

01:09:45.380 In a special way, believers in Christ must defend and promote this right to life, that is.

01:09:50.920 Aware as they are of the wonderful truth recalled by the Second Vatican Council, by His Incarnation, the Son of God has united Himself in some fashion with every human being.

01:10:00.940 This is the emphasis on the sacredness of all human life.

01:10:05.220 That's the animating principle of Christianity.

01:10:08.500 Christ came down to earth to share in our suffering out of an abundance of love for us, for each individual.

01:10:16.740 And every few weeks in the homily, we get reminded again that you can't just be a Catholic on Sunday.

01:10:25.740 You have to be a Catholic every day of the week. 1.00

01:10:28.120 That's right.

01:10:28.620 So when this gentleman says, I will completely separate my Catholic faith from my day job, hold on a second.

01:10:34.400 You can't.

01:10:35.200 Like, that's...

01:10:36.360 Have you been...

01:10:37.320 Have you listened at any of the homilies you've received recently?

01:10:39.720 I don't think he has.

01:10:41.160 I think it's been...

01:10:42.380 He was brought up a Catholic, probably taken into church, and he's seen this now as a political opportunity.

01:10:46.900 Political opportunity for two reasons.

01:10:48.640 One, I'm a Catholic, and therefore I might get voters from these areas who are Catholics and be, oh, probably more important.

01:10:54.920 I'm going to stay in this because my kids can get a nice education.

01:10:57.920 That's pretty much it.

01:10:58.440 And actually, he doesn't really believe in Catholicism in any way.

01:11:01.780 If you believe in eternal life, if you believe that there is a hell and that there is a real possibility of damnation...

01:11:07.260 You wouldn't do it.

01:11:07.760 ...you don't go around encouraging people to commit suicide and making it easier and allowing people to commit suicide just because they feel like a burden.

01:11:13.620 Yeah.

01:11:14.100 Which is precisely what this bill does.

01:11:17.020 Yes.

01:11:17.960 It ignores the clauses as all the things I went through.

01:11:21.140 I mean, disgusting clauses that could have been included.

01:11:24.400 Yep.

01:11:24.720 Such as, I will not allow you to say I want to kill myself because of my burden on my family.

01:11:30.300 Or that my housing is inefficient for what I'm living in.

01:11:34.620 Yep.

01:11:34.820 No.

01:11:35.500 You don't allow that.

01:11:36.280 But they still voted them down.

01:11:38.040 Yep.

01:11:38.140 They are basically voting for murder.

01:11:40.440 Pretty much.

01:11:40.880 And I've disagreed with them completely on this.

01:11:43.280 I think there is a nastiness that runs through their core, hiding, hiding behind...

01:11:49.120 Compassion.

01:11:50.180 Yeah.

01:11:50.800 The compassion and misery for people who are genuinely suffering and genuinely suffering.

01:11:55.500 And I know that I've had a discussion with a couple of people about this.

01:11:58.940 Those people are genuinely suffering.

01:12:00.660 Absolutely.

01:12:00.980 But you don't actually help them by introducing a law that will enable those who may not be suffering in the same way to end it earlier.

01:12:08.520 It's a very sinister bill.

01:12:10.040 Sinister.

01:12:10.320 It's not just that.

01:12:10.980 It's not just that.

01:12:11.960 It's that the cross of Jesus has meaning because God glorified suffering.

01:12:18.700 Because God elevated suffering and gave us a pathway to sublimating it.

01:12:23.080 This is the story of Job.

01:12:24.800 This is from the Old Testament.

01:12:26.420 This is also the story of Christ, that you must suffer.

01:12:29.120 Abraham had to offer his only son, his only legitimate son.

01:12:35.300 So the idea that suffering denies a right to life is fundamentally against both the Old Testament and the New Testament.

01:12:45.020 It's against the covenantal relationship that we have with God where we bear our burdens and we bear our cross in order to participate in eternal life with Christ.

01:12:56.020 And this is... 0.99

01:12:57.100 I'm a very ignorant Catholic. 1.00

01:12:58.620 I'm a very stupid Catholic. 1.00

01:13:00.860 You know? 1.00

01:13:01.400 I only recently...

01:13:02.460 A lot of us...

01:13:03.000 A lot of us...

01:13:03.040 A lot of us...

01:13:03.660 A lot of us are.

01:13:06.880 A lot of us are.

01:13:07.640 Fine.

01:13:08.260 But this is elementary.

01:13:11.040 And in this Evangelium Vitae, St. John Paul II talks about the way in which life is slowly being cheapened and new evils are coming to sort of threaten life,

01:13:23.700 aside from the old traditional ones of war and pestilence and famine and all of that.

01:13:29.000 And he says,

01:13:29.960 Unfortunately, this disturbing state of affairs, far from decreasing, is expanding.

01:13:35.120 With new prospects opened up by scientific and technological progress, there arise new forms of attacks on the dignity of the human being.

01:13:44.960 At the same time, a new cultural climate is developing.

01:13:48.080 This is 30 years ago.

01:13:49.200 And taking hold, which gives crimes against life a new and, if possible, even more sinister character, what you were saying.

01:13:58.440 Giving rise to further grave concern.

01:14:01.700 Broad sectors of public opinion justify certain crimes against life in the name of the rights of individual freedom.

01:14:09.820 Which was precisely the argument being made in support of that bill.

01:14:13.580 So these words must be seen as prophetic.

01:14:16.400 And on this basis, they claim not only exemption from punishment, but even authorization by the state,

01:14:23.940 so that these things can be done with total freedom and indeed with the free assistance of healthcare systems.

01:14:30.540 Yes.

01:14:31.100 So the church was warning against this a generation ago.

01:14:34.320 Yes.

01:14:34.640 And this encyclical was made, again, in 1995.

01:14:40.140 And you're going fully against it.

01:14:43.180 And you're saying that the priest is wrong to deny you communion?

01:14:46.900 I don't understand.

01:14:48.720 I don't understand the mindset.

01:14:51.180 I would have gone further.

01:14:52.420 I would have gone to every Catholic. 0.91

01:14:53.740 There should be a message sent down by Westminster.

01:14:57.080 This is what should happen.

01:14:58.560 I would have said that this is the bishops did do an opposition of it.

01:15:02.940 At least they did, rather than the Church of England that was still promoting, I think,

01:15:08.160 some party in York Cathedral on the day, you know.

01:15:11.140 Right.

01:15:11.800 And they ignored it.

01:15:13.280 Yep.

01:15:14.080 But this needs to be taken much more seriously by the Pope and by the Vatican.

01:15:20.060 They need to be sending messages off that people like Joe Biden should not be allowed communion.

01:15:24.440 No.

01:15:24.960 No, no, no, no.

01:15:26.100 You either are a Catholic or you're not.

01:15:27.700 Exactly.

01:15:28.040 And these are our principles.

01:15:28.900 It's not a costume.

01:15:30.280 It's not a costume.

01:15:31.260 It's not a skin suit.

01:15:32.440 Yeah.

01:15:32.940 Exactly.

01:15:34.160 The end result of this is tragic, again from the encyclical.

01:15:37.540 Not only is the fact of the destruction of so many human lives still to be born or in

01:15:42.500 their final stage extremely grave and disturbing, but no less grave and disturbing is the fact

01:15:48.780 that conscience itself, darkened as it were by such widespread conditioning, the normalization

01:15:55.360 of this evil is finding it increasingly difficult to distinguish between good and evil in what

01:16:01.100 concerns the basic value of human life.

01:16:03.460 Now, the encyclical also mentions the demographic problems that this causes and the destruction

01:16:08.580 of nations and the damage to peoples that is caused by this.

01:16:12.500 So the culture of death was being attacked by the church generations ago.

01:16:18.120 And it was, the church has always emphasized the same exact teaching and has dismantled the

01:16:25.940 argument that says, no, no, I have a right to die whenever I want to.

01:16:30.380 This has been church teaching for an extreme forever.

01:16:34.140 Yeah.

01:16:34.640 Yeah.

01:16:34.740 And then this guy says, well, how dare you deny me communion?

01:16:38.380 Come on.

01:16:39.600 The conditions under which you can be denied communion, according to canon law, are pretty

01:16:45.320 simple.

01:16:45.580 Let's move it further to the right.

01:16:47.020 There you go.

01:16:47.300 Yeah.

01:16:47.940 Are pretty simple.

01:16:49.320 Yeah.

01:16:50.180 And it's there in, this is going to take me a while to get to, in 915.

01:16:56.240 There we are.

01:16:56.960 Just nearly there.

01:16:58.080 And it says.

01:16:59.940 I haven't read this.

01:17:00.680 Those who have been excommunicated or interdicted after the imposition or declaration of the

01:17:06.940 penalty, that's one category, and others obstinately persevering in manifest grave sin, are not

01:17:18.040 to be admitted to holy communion.

01:17:21.420 How strange.

01:17:22.240 The church is enforcing its rules.

01:17:23.700 It's there in black and white.

01:17:24.820 It's just right there.

01:17:26.420 It's just right there.

01:17:28.060 And there is no argument about it.

01:17:30.340 It's not, you know, unless you're an MP.

01:17:33.140 There's no opt-out clause that's, actually, it's literally the opposite.

01:17:37.800 Unless you're a human rights lawyer.

01:17:39.700 Unless you're a human rights lawyer.

01:17:41.420 Unless you're Joe Biden.

01:17:43.140 It's literally the opposite.

01:17:45.500 If the more public you are, the more important it is to impose sanction on you because you

01:17:51.180 are causing scandal to the faithful.

01:17:53.460 If somebody is looking into Catholicism and sees that the church is being lax on its teachings,

01:17:58.380 he will be less enthusiastic.

01:18:00.840 If someone has faith but is doubting, and we all have moments of doubt, that kind of behavior

01:18:07.680 will make it much worse.

01:18:09.780 Do we think that the current Pope and the Vatican that he is building around him is going to be that type of Pope that is willing to utilize clauses like this

01:18:22.680 by messaging the archbishops, by getting it out to the bishops, by getting it out to the priests,

01:18:28.540 that politicians across the European countries and the West, and I include Australia and New Zealand and Canada in this, and in particular the United States, are going to receive this level of kind of the ramifications of their actions should be that they can't get Holy Communion.

01:18:46.480 Because I remember when they did this with Biden, after what he did, that they still allowed him to do so because they didn't want to be embarrassed or because he's the president.

01:18:56.340 Surely the president is not above God, he's not above the church, and therefore they should be standing strong on this.

01:19:02.620 Is this president that type of president?

01:19:04.740 I sincerely hope so.

01:19:08.380 He's an Augustinian.

01:19:10.140 He's a scholar.

01:19:11.160 He's the type of Pope, I mean.

01:19:13.000 He's very much strong enough in terms of his personal faith.

01:19:17.940 There's an issue here whereby the church tries to avoid to be seen to be interfering in politics.

01:19:26.500 And the way that it works is that if you say we're going to enforce this in the United States, you've pretty much banned the Democratic Party from receiving communion, given their extremism on abortion.

01:19:38.900 Yeah.

01:19:39.120 We are called to think with the church, never against the church.

01:19:42.760 And so I think since this conflict is happening, we might as well have it.

01:19:48.200 The conflict has been forced upon us.

01:19:50.200 We weren't, you know, we didn't choose this fight.

01:19:53.300 It was forced on us.

01:19:54.160 Here we are.

01:19:55.080 And the church is meant to be a sign of contradiction to the world.

01:19:58.720 This is the rules.

01:19:59.780 This is what we believe in.

01:20:00.960 Exactly.

01:20:01.160 If you don't believe in it, then you're not a Catholic.

01:20:03.100 It offers permanence in an ever-changing world.

01:20:06.020 Yeah.

01:20:06.220 Like a permanent moral instruction.

01:20:08.260 Yes.

01:20:08.640 That is always good and is always evil in every age.

01:20:11.240 Yes.

01:20:11.880 Yes.

01:20:12.360 Yes.

01:20:12.680 Exactly.

01:20:13.400 Exactly.

01:20:13.860 And you can't fight back if you're not going to do anything about it.

01:20:17.160 If you just ignore it.

01:20:18.280 One of the biggest lessons that we learned from anyone challenging you is that you...

01:20:22.600 Nothing can be ignored.

01:20:23.140 Nothing can be ignored anymore.

01:20:24.320 Correct.

01:20:25.000 Yeah.

01:20:25.340 You can't ignore anything.

01:20:27.100 All right.

01:20:27.520 Shall we go through the comments then?

01:20:29.800 You've got the discipline regarding.

01:20:31.640 That's a...

01:20:32.900 That people who are in the...

01:20:35.380 Reading the notes can see it.

01:20:37.100 This is a letter from Archbishop Raymond Burke, who is one of the great American conservatives.

01:20:43.060 Okay.

01:20:43.300 And he explains why Catholics believe that the bread and wine are literally the flesh and

01:20:52.960 blood of Christ and the burden that this imposes on everyone.

01:20:56.480 And he explains that in cases of outward conduct, which is seriously, clearly, and steadfastly contrary to the moral norm, the church in her pastoral concern for the good order of the community and out of respect for the sacrament cannot fail to feel directly involved.

01:21:15.780 The code of canon law allows us basically to deny communion to people who are, you know, seriously, clearly, and steadfastly.

01:21:24.840 So the priest here, the priest in question, wrote to the MP, spoke publicly, warned him and made it clear that there will be consequences.

01:21:34.540 And the MP refused to listen.

01:21:39.700 Yeah.

01:21:40.160 And now behold the consequences of my own actions.

01:21:43.800 How dare they impose consequences on me?

01:21:46.580 I should be above the law.

01:21:47.700 Don't you see the letters MP behind my name?

01:21:49.860 Like anybody would know who he was if this hadn't happened to him.

01:21:53.360 And he's trying to use it as a publicity stunt instead of showing any kind of contrition, any kind of humility.

01:22:00.860 Yeah.

01:22:01.300 Well, I'd quite like to see him excommunicated, but there we go.

01:22:05.160 Let's hope it doesn't go that far for his sake.

01:22:07.620 I want us to pray for him at the end of the day and to pray for his penance.

01:22:11.380 It's our responsibility.

01:22:12.900 We want more people in the church, not less.

01:22:15.180 But it has to be the church.

01:22:16.800 I accept that.

01:22:17.920 It's not a social club.

01:22:19.760 It's the church of God.

01:22:21.100 Yeah, but you're dealing with liberal Democrats.

01:22:23.300 And to be honest, they're unrepentable.

01:22:27.360 To be honest, you know.

01:22:28.720 I'm sorry they are just, you know, just, I'm sorry.

01:22:33.780 I don't think anyone's a liberal Democrat watching this, but, you know, they, they, well, what more can I say?

01:22:39.060 You can pray for them.

01:22:40.000 Okay.

01:22:40.940 We can.

01:22:41.260 Logan, 17pine, I saw you think about your other super chat.

01:22:47.640 Sorry, it's just a matter of trying to time keep and keep the segments moving.

01:22:51.540 Loud anger will quickly die out, but quiet loathing can build for years, indeed.

01:22:55.860 And it's been, it's been building all my life, I can assure you.

01:23:01.000 Habsification, oh no, sorry, it's far further down. 0.98

01:23:03.680 Um, oh punk, I grew up Catholic, but the church made me a Christian instead.

01:23:09.220 I don't know.

01:23:10.120 I don't know why you.

01:23:11.460 Hmm?

01:23:12.280 Um, then you've got, uh, that's a random name.

01:23:15.400 Today is Monday.

01:23:16.280 Looking forward to Realpolitik.

01:23:18.320 Oh yes.

01:23:18.940 Speaking of which, how is the format going to be?

01:23:21.680 Will all episodes be pre-recorded, uh, like the pilot?

01:23:26.120 Also helmets when?

01:23:27.360 So there's going to be a few episodes released over the next few weeks that are pre-recorded.

01:23:31.820 I'm, I have to say goodbye.

01:23:33.440 I'm off to Lebanon for a couple of months.

01:23:35.420 When I get back, we will do a little bit more work on the formats and I will get a helmet.

01:23:41.380 I, I, I will record at least part of an episode with a helmet.

01:23:46.040 I promise you.

01:23:47.220 Um, congratulations on all those comments as well.

01:23:49.980 It was a great, great start.

01:23:51.800 Okay.

01:23:52.460 Uh, let's go to the video comments if we've got any.

01:23:57.360 Thank you.

01:24:00.060 Got some time?

01:24:01.520 Well, we have.

01:24:02.480 We're ahead for a change.

01:24:04.260 I tried.

01:24:05.260 I tried.

01:24:05.680 I really tried.

01:24:07.600 I missed some of these good video comments last week.

01:24:09.500 Regarding what's going on in Wales with the, uh, sex ed for toddlers.

01:24:15.840 Just have a read of this Bible verse for me.

01:24:25.540 Be simple.

01:24:27.360 Yep.

01:24:33.940 Okay.

01:24:34.580 Regarding what's going on in Wales.

01:24:40.920 We got another?

01:24:42.880 Yeah.

01:24:43.420 It's just work.

01:24:44.480 That's right.

01:24:44.980 You got the drop me to click on fear, Harry.

01:24:47.640 Yep.

01:24:51.320 We've got a few today.

01:24:52.340 Good ones.

01:24:53.020 Excellent.

01:24:53.420 Sorry, it's taking a moment to open.

01:24:57.620 Oh, right.

01:24:58.300 Sorry.

01:24:58.640 No, I'm just being a total, total.

01:25:01.100 I've got a challenge for you today, lads.

01:25:03.160 It's a guessing game.

01:25:05.600 Let's take a guess.

01:25:07.420 Out of the two pictures.

01:25:09.800 Who you think is the tube passenger.

01:25:13.080 Normally, it's just a man or aspiring architect that does this.

01:25:20.700 He's also felt weird.

01:25:26.520 How could you possibly guess?

01:25:28.120 How could you possibly guess?

01:25:30.020 Uh, next one.

01:25:30.900 Oh.

01:25:30.980 Ah, where is it?

01:25:38.100 It astounds me the English government tells us to prepare for war after they finally regulated

01:25:43.720 the blast furnace into extinction.

01:25:45.600 Now, England still has a supply of steel via electric arc furnaces, but these feed primarily

01:25:49.500 on scrap metal and don't have a sufficient degree of metallurgical control.

01:25:52.860 For high quality steels, you need a basic oxygen furnace.

01:25:55.520 It's self-reliant on the virgin pig iron of a blast furnace.

01:25:58.200 And blast furnaces operate exclusively on coke.

01:26:00.640 Now, perhaps Starmer got confused and thought he had an ample supply, but regrettably we're

01:26:04.160 talking about the black stuff.

01:26:05.240 Imagine the fury of Sir Bessemer and the former statesman of times gone by, as there's not

01:26:09.720 a single smoking chimney over Yorkshire. 1.00

01:26:12.000 Will these morons beat the drum of war? 1.00

01:26:15.060 Oh, brilliant. 1.00

01:26:16.060 Yeah, it's so true.

01:26:16.740 Even before we had all of that, um, you know, total sabotage and everything with the Chinese 1.00

01:26:22.100 in Scunthorpe, but that still works.

01:26:23.760 We were already just importing all of the raw materials.

01:26:26.580 The Arabs targeting Africa took out about 17 million people.

01:26:35.460 The British and then the Americans were the rare people who moved to abolish slavery.

01:26:40.860 So yeah, the British Navy, in a story almost no one now knows, sank something like 1,600

01:26:46.220 slave ships.

01:26:47.460 It freed 150,000 people that were enslaved at the time.

01:26:52.880 Because the Brits objected for moral reasons.

01:26:55.920 Yeah, they'd had enough of it.

01:26:57.020 Saudi Arabia only abolished the slave trade relatively recently.

01:27:01.680 What?

01:27:01.840 Yeah, no, yeah, well, 1967, I believe it was, uh, in Mauritania, I think 20 to 25% of

01:27:12.460 the country is still literally slaves.

01:27:15.260 I didn't know that.

01:27:16.440 I didn't know that.

01:27:16.840 So I think 8, 10 million people population.

01:27:20.140 Sorry.

01:27:20.840 Um, just.

01:27:23.260 No, no.

01:27:24.260 Okay.

01:27:24.680 Sorry.

01:27:25.380 I've clicked them all.

01:27:26.520 I'm doubling back on myself apparently now.

01:27:30.020 All right then.

01:27:30.820 So I'll just go through some comments quickly from my section.

01:27:35.340 Zester King, I'm quite nervous about the number of political parties on the right and

01:27:39.920 centre-right.

01:27:41.120 There's Reform UK, the Conservatives, Homeland, UKIP, Reclaim, and now Advance UK.

01:27:46.920 They could all potentially split the vote and let another left-wing party get into government,

01:27:51.420 not to mention whatever Rupert Lowe is going to be doing with Restore Britain.

01:27:56.380 And this, this might be a controversial take, but the way that I see it is, even if, um,

01:28:04.560 Labour, like, you know, or like a coalition of the progressives do win the next time round,

01:28:10.080 it would be far, not better, but it would be worse to get one of like the charlatan parties,

01:28:17.940 like Reform, you know, that aren't up to the task to push that ball all the way to the top of the hill,

01:28:24.180 right, and get them in and sort of give them a foundation of legitimacy,

01:28:28.580 as opposed to wait for the right time, the right party, the right people.

01:28:33.200 I know time's running out.

01:28:34.920 We are.

01:28:35.640 But, you know.

01:28:37.580 We'll see.

01:28:37.960 It's, yeah.

01:28:40.760 David Ward, reform will win the next election, the last hurrah of multiculturalism. 0.97

01:28:46.580 They will fail, then we will set it, see if we can get our country back.

01:28:52.300 Well, I mean, that is also the other possibility.

01:28:55.600 It is.

01:28:56.140 It is a possibility.

01:28:56.600 Because the energy is towards, you know, the public energy, the mood, is towards restoration.

01:29:02.960 And if reform failed to do that, they're not going to go back to Labour, are they?

01:29:07.240 To counter the point that I just made.

01:29:08.740 No.

01:29:09.060 But it's also true.

01:29:11.880 It's also true.

01:29:13.760 Sophie Liv, I'm tired of boomers feeling so guilty over their own, um, privilege, regret,

01:29:20.380 that they are punishing their kids for it.

01:29:22.840 Yes.

01:29:23.520 Yeah.

01:29:23.920 That's exactly what it is.

01:29:24.440 Well, yeah, absolutely.

01:29:25.320 It's so twisted.

01:29:26.980 It's so twisted.

01:29:28.320 From your segment, Stephen, Kevin Fox says, Ben needs to avoid the trap that reform fell

01:29:34.160 into.

01:29:34.640 He needs to find his cabinet from outside the Westminster bubble, get professionals from

01:29:39.960 all sectors to do the jobs currently done by underqualified politicians and other parties.

01:29:44.660 I mean, I think that's what Feroz and I were discussing, the need for that cabinet and

01:29:49.340 that need for people who would...

01:29:50.700 Strong expertise.

01:29:51.200 Expertise.

01:29:51.920 Expertise.

01:29:52.440 Yeah.

01:29:52.600 Yeah.

01:29:52.880 Uh, fuzzy toaster, new parties will split the boat, uh, split the boat, split the boat.

01:29:58.580 That's another option.

01:29:59.900 Well, that's not, yeah.

01:30:01.240 In Lebanon, that would be the only option. 0.99

01:30:03.000 Yeah.

01:30:03.720 Keep that one in mind.

01:30:04.840 Um, I think the next election cycle would have been better.

01:30:08.540 We're risking a labor, labor getting, uh, minority win again. 1.00

01:30:12.580 Well, honestly, labor in minority.

01:30:15.260 Yeah.

01:30:15.600 Not able, is better than labor in majority still.

01:30:18.320 Yeah.

01:30:18.520 Um, and then from your segment for us, you've got, uh, all Catholics have the, the three C's. 0.93

01:30:25.400 Uh, Chris should understand there is confession, uh, contrition, and then only communion.

01:30:32.440 Exactly.

01:30:33.020 Communion.

01:30:33.680 Exactly.

01:30:34.520 Uh, Nicholas Ware, based priest, we need more like him.

01:30:37.900 Absolutely.

01:30:38.840 Simple as, yeah, indeed.

01:30:40.380 Simple.

01:30:41.000 Well, that's all we've got time for today, ladies and gentlemen.

01:30:43.640 Thank you for tuning in, and we'll see you at 1pm tomorrow.

01:30:47.160 Thank you for your time.

The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - June 30, 2025

The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1197

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