The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1198

00:00:00.000 hello and welcome to podcast of the lotus eaters episode 1198 on this tuesday the first of july

00:00:16.580 i'm joined by stephen good afternoon charlie charlie's coming from his big important mission

00:00:22.080 indeed yes tell us about the big important mission which is um which is going to be very good

00:00:26.060 um thank you to uh jamie for sending us this uh trump the ball game oh superb have you not had

00:00:33.680 that before i mean i had a couple of boxes you know yeah yeah that's it you know although i'm

00:00:39.180 99 off ebay i'm not going to thank jamie for including in it oh in particular a copy of

00:00:45.620 gary stevenson's oh that's good yeah you've gone from you've gone from zero to hero to back to zero

00:00:51.540 again yeah yeah carrie stevenson so how are you chaps very well very well it's it's it's a little

00:00:59.020 bit warm isn't it it is yeah you know i used to love summer um but ever since i've had to start

00:01:03.640 wearing suits on a regular basis is hell well you obviously didn't get the memo that you've got to

00:01:08.200 come in green today apparently not yeah i'm not i'm not very in sync that's right you know it's not as

00:01:13.040 bad here as it used to be whether what was it last year or the year before we moved into the studio but

00:01:17.880 the first the first summer we were here we moved in on basically the hottest day of the year

00:01:22.340 and um the air conditioning wasn't working i mean the building management kept insisting that the

00:01:27.260 air conditioning was working i don't know what it was working on a new translation of beowulf maybe

00:01:31.620 or firmat's last theorem but it wasn't working on producing cold heat and these things when we first

00:01:37.020 got them were we had them cranked up to full power and they were basically like whatever it was 15

00:01:42.180 little radiators you came out with like a bit of a suntan after the first day of podcast

00:01:47.040 black and white podcast like you've been standing the wrong way when hiroshima dropped or something

00:01:53.380 yeah so um but apart from that i think we're um i think we're probably all set um you're taking on

00:02:00.800 the first one charlie okay yes so gentlemen yes britain is in decline and the right-wing

00:02:06.080 political landscape is in chaos the conservative party is in a tailspin and reform uk is stumbling

00:02:12.100 from one error to the next um the british people are crying out for leadership and there's a

00:02:16.840 yawning gap in the market for a serious authentic vehicle around which the country's conservative

00:02:21.080 minded majority can rally organize and exert influence many have tried to fill this gap

00:02:26.360 but many have failed because of a variety of reasons including you know mediocre ideas mediocre

00:02:32.160 personnel but now i am pleased to announce that alongside rupert lowe i'm working with with others

00:02:39.400 on restore britain which is the answer to this problem um it is our vehicle uh for is our center

00:02:46.200 of gravity for all of the sound people and all the people worth listening to on the british political

00:02:50.400 landscape and every person who is concerned about the future of this country and its present trajectory

00:02:55.120 in terms of you know politics economics culture and society in general uh we are not a party we are a

00:03:03.080 movement uh we're some combination of a pressure group a think tank and a mass movement

00:03:07.400 um and we don't endorse any parties we don't endorse any personalities we exist purely to act as a

00:03:14.160 mouthpiece for ordinary british people who are concerned about the way this country has been

00:03:18.820 governed for the better part of 30 years so our objectives are as follows um the first and foremost

00:03:25.240 is as i've said to act as a political center of gravity for authentic conservative minded people in

00:03:30.600 britain and we want to build and mobilize a substantial membership and we launched yesterday

00:03:35.420 at 12 o'clock and our x account almost has a hundred thousand followers and we have thousands

00:03:40.620 and thousands of paying members already so we are we are you know there's a momentum there already

00:03:45.400 that i don't think has been seen in any other organization in recent history except for possibly

00:03:50.240 reform well i'm one of them yeah i saw this tweet pop up and i know yeah you did as well and i mean

00:03:56.560 rupert's obviously a very sensible chat yeah and it it takes like two three minutes yes on the app it's

00:04:02.100 very it's very simple you just you just do google pain whatever and you're done and it's 20 pounds so

00:04:07.800 it's the price as rupert likes to say of two poorly priced pints in some kind of london pub

00:04:12.900 so yes our priority with this membership um is well that we had there are several um reasons for this

00:04:20.060 um first and foremost is we are going to you know membership is open to anybody with 20 pounds who cares

00:04:25.640 about the future of britain and we're going to be polling our members on all of the most you know

00:04:29.700 pressing issues of our time from immigration deportations energy housing crime um you know

00:04:36.640 social issues family um and and so on and so forth and we're going to generate mass scale political

00:04:43.060 intelligence from our sample of thousands of people thousands of ordinary people to present

00:04:48.100 to the government and to present to other political parties and to present to the media to basically say

00:04:53.320 look this is the authentic voice of britain we are the center of gravity for people who really care

00:04:58.680 about this country um and this is what those people think you know and and uh i think alongside

00:05:03.740 that we're also going to be um mobilizing that membership to get parliamentary petitions over

00:05:09.760 that 100 000 mark so already we ran a petition a couple of weeks ago i think it actually might have

00:05:13.900 been one week ago yeah i think i'm on a week isn't it yeah on lucy connolly uh and in less in less

00:05:18.900 than 24 hours we've got 100 000 signatures now i want you to imagine what it would look like if we were

00:05:24.060 doing that every week multiple times a week we would bring westminster to a standstill and we will

00:05:28.780 own the conversation and the thing with rupert is you know that he's a very effective parliamentarian

00:05:33.500 yeah he's head and shoulders above the rest of them in terms of he's being able to use his vehicle

00:05:37.680 of being an mp to bring issues up and press things well that's one of the most important points is the

00:05:42.620 thing that we missed when we were in the european parliament people we could say what we liked in the

00:05:46.560 european parliament we had some good images we got pictures and we had good speeches but in reality

00:05:51.720 being able to pressure the the local and agenda in the united kingdom it's much more difficult

00:05:56.700 unless you're in parliament but i've got a question and charlie you started that there saying we wanted

00:06:01.400 to be an authentic conservative uh group but i don't hear the kind of conservative patriotic

00:06:07.780 part because a lot of conservatives are just not patriotic that's very true i mean that word it's one

00:06:13.360 of those ones that you can read your own meaning into i mean in the past i've said that i'm not a

00:06:16.400 conservative because i think with the condition of the country being what it is today to be

00:06:20.120 conservative is basically to wish to preserve that kind of post 1997 political order and social

00:06:25.600 conditions that have existed for that time um when i'm saying when i'm talking about being

00:06:29.060 conservative in this context what i'm talking about are people who are not up for any of the stuff

00:06:33.360 really that's been done over the last 30 years who feel that something has gone deeply wrong

00:06:36.760 in this country i'm talking about the people by the way that bob villam was talking about when he

00:06:40.940 said you want your country back shut the f up so we're looking at the like the small c conservatives

00:06:45.680 people who are quite happily with family faith exactly and on our nationhood looking at the

00:06:51.080 royal family as being key armed forces all of that people who recognize this program this you know

00:06:57.040 the project of multiculturalism net zero social progressivism you know woke whatever all of them

00:07:02.640 have been hugely damaging to this country and actually you know speaking personally you know i'm

00:07:07.780 hoping to bring children to this country in the very near future i look at the prospects i look at the

00:07:11.720 fact that they're hopefully god willing going to be alive to see the turn of the century and i

00:07:15.660 imagine what this country is going to look like at that time and it's people who who who see have

00:07:20.120 that same terror at what is you know what we're staring down the barrel of right now in this country

00:07:25.120 i have a 12 year old so this is one reason why i'm still here still fighting still battling to

00:07:29.420 ensure that we've got a nation as we saw statistically came out today i don't know if you watched the

00:07:33.840 on s figures 33.8 percent of all live births were non-uk citizens yes of which indians pakistanis

00:07:43.040 led the the top 10 and out of those top 10 apart from romania and poland yeah they ate other eight

00:07:50.440 other countries all mirrored those were coming across on the boats yes well and that's why we

00:07:54.520 absolutely need something like this because you ask um nigel faraj that question he said well that's

00:07:58.540 why we need to that's why we need to appeal to islam because they're going to be the majority

00:08:01.780 there's absolutely nothing we can do about it we just have to we just have to appeal to them and

00:08:05.200 that's the point you know we want to show political leaders in this country what british people actually

00:08:09.320 think and and that doesn't just you know that doesn't just include reform and farage it includes

00:08:13.500 the conservatives it also includes labor and the greens and the libs it includes everybody because

00:08:17.800 rupert himself has already shown that he has the ability as an independent mp to command the

00:08:23.680 discourse in this country and to shift the oversome window in a really meaningful way and so with this

00:08:27.920 organization behind him and with a mass movement of people behind us i mean i think that the the sky's

00:08:33.060 the limit basically so why is it a movement not a political party a political you know now is not

00:08:38.260 the right time for another political party in in our opinion um because you know political insurgency of

00:08:44.000 the type imagined by some people just it's just not possible in you know it's it's a fantasy in this

00:08:49.380 country you know the system is not geared towards a tiny party you know kind of getting in and uh

00:08:55.440 and and winning a majority i mean reform but that's what reform is doing well what i would say

00:09:00.920 about reform is it's true i mean nigel frage obviously has been in the political landscape

00:09:04.460 for decades um and reform are you know they are tacking to the center in a way that suggests that

00:09:12.720 they're not actually that different from the established parties and so in that sense it's not

00:09:17.960 it's in a way not actually a political insurgency of the type that i'm describing because what i'm

00:09:22.000 talking about is an authentic you know expression of the interests of british people making that

00:09:26.300 inroad and i i'm not you know i'm a member of reform and i remain a member of reform because

00:09:29.980 as i say restore britain is not a political party and members of any party are welcome to join um but

00:09:35.320 i think reform needs this pressure on them to i suppose also being a movement it keeps all of your

00:09:40.860 options open that's right yeah so you can become a political party you can take over a political party

00:09:45.600 you can do something else you you've basically got the option to do whatever you like from here

00:09:49.880 and we're not you've got that momentum yeah we're not closing off any avenue you know all of these

00:09:53.940 things i mean we're one day we're not it's not even it's been just over 24 hours since we launched

00:09:57.560 and already there's this huge momentum but you know we're keeping all of our options open because

00:10:01.120 you know why wouldn't we because our interest is not party politics our interest is saving britain

00:10:05.440 it's restoring britain but that's where the dichotomy comes and the real issue that you've

00:10:09.660 already pointed again you can't restore britain through a petition that's very true you can only

00:10:13.960 restore britain by taking power yes and this is when i met mandelson in the early days of when i was

00:10:19.200 part of the fabian left lefty lawyers you know on the sort of hated group that i looked around me

00:10:24.520 i went i can't be like these these sort of people and that's why i left but i do remember very clearly

00:10:29.280 uh with mandelson talking to myself and eric draper and a couple of others at the time who was his

00:10:35.260 chief of staff he said stephen it's not about principles it's about power i need power labor needs

00:10:41.060 power we can't change this country without power so they felt at that time in the pre-blair period

00:10:48.940 that all labor was was a pressure group they weren't successful so they had to transform themselves so

00:10:54.480 isn't that the big uh issue why i i mention it because that's where we've got this kind of issue

00:11:00.660 between uh rupert rupert and the and the movement which i i i tend to agree with but also you've got

00:11:07.540 ben who wants the political party who wants to do that transformation yes and to take faraj on

00:11:12.580 and to defeat them at the ballot box you'd need a party so isn't that the big issue that you're

00:11:17.640 going to have to face someday so and actually before you answer that can i just add in a

00:11:21.160 supplementary question what is the relationship with ben's thing uh so there is no official

00:11:25.720 relationship with ben's thing um there was a difference of uh you know an intellectual difference

00:11:29.880 between ben and rupert they were talking uh but ben was dead set on starting a party uh we felt that

00:11:35.480 that wasn't the right strategy because as you say obviously power is the ultimate objective here

00:11:40.060 because i think the right many of us are sick of being right but continuing to lose and i think to

00:11:45.400 start to start a party at this moment is to wish to continue to feel correct and feel vindicated but

00:11:51.200 to continue to lose and so make no mistake restore britain is a strategy to power it's not just it's not

00:11:56.020 just a talking shot that's what we want to hear yeah um it is it's part of a strategy to power uh because

00:12:00.620 we wouldn't be doing it otherwise and i i mean i wouldn't be putting my name to it otherwise because

00:12:04.520 you know that's all i care about is saving britain and uh power is a necessary you know prerequisite

00:12:09.720 to that goal and so you know actually i think as much as you say starting a party in the pursuit of

00:12:14.840 power maybe at one level makes more sense i actually think that that's doomed to fail i wasn't saying we

00:12:19.340 needed a party just now i just say that there will need to be a party yes that either encapsulates

00:12:24.540 what the movement is or the people within the movement or the ideas that you've created to be able

00:12:29.240 to go to the ballot box and persuade the british people that it's not reformed that he is now just

00:12:33.280 that they and zia have just moved too much to the to the center you know and the conservative

00:12:38.760 party is a deadbeat at nine percent in certain areas they're just they're not going to come back

00:12:44.240 well i can i can tell you it's fantasy world if people think even in four years that that said i

00:12:48.680 can see a certain elegance in so reform are a bit of a wrecking ball at the moment and they're going

00:12:53.980 to wreck labour and the conservatives but i think what a lot of the the sort of normies have not

00:12:59.240 realized yet is just how compromised they are on on so many issues and the kind of the real the real

00:13:04.340 character of nigel forage so there is perhaps a value in letting the existing system get completely

00:13:10.820 tossed upside down um while a movement is building that can then roll into something yeah so this is

00:13:16.860 the great advantage of rupert being in the position he's in because he is in in being an independent mp and

00:13:21.660 now being the uh leader of restored britain he is uniquely positioned above the fray of party politics

00:13:27.780 to actually move the discourse in its totality because the great genius of blair for example

00:13:32.600 was not that he transformed the labor party in his own image it's that he transformed the

00:13:36.820 conservative party as well in his own image and what we're seeking to do is far more ambitious

00:13:40.800 than any one party what we're seeking to do is shift the discourse in britain in its totality because

00:13:45.700 you know if it can be shown not to not just to reform not just to the conservatives but to labor

00:13:50.660 the lib dems the greens and all the rest of them that we are where the will of the people is we are

00:13:55.700 where public sentiment is we are where victory and power is then i think everybody will start to get

00:14:00.480 on so i like that because if you if you were to form as a party every every other political party

00:14:06.740 would instantly see you as an enemy yeah any any any relationships that rupert and you know has has

00:14:12.040 built up with other uh mps and parties and all the rest of it would instantly be killed because he he

00:14:16.980 becomes a rival castle he becomes a you know an enemy uh if he's leading a movement yes they can they

00:14:22.600 can basically take those ideas or take his lead yeah and ultimately what we care about is getting

00:14:28.380 our ideas implemented um you know i mean ultimately we we just want power for our guys but in the

00:14:34.580 meantime because that's such a hurdle to climb getting the getting these people to on board our

00:14:39.780 movement yes your movement yeah just as good and i won't reveal too much at this stage but over the

00:14:44.780 coming weeks we will be announcing our advisory board um and this is going to include people who you

00:14:49.520 will who viewers will all know who are the heaviest hitters the most serious thinkers and activists on

00:14:55.280 the british political scene and in the spirit of being non-partisan we've had real interest from a

00:15:00.400 number of mps across multiple parties um so so this is what we're trying to build we're trying to build

00:15:05.080 a genuine cross-party movement that speaks for the interests of ordinary people so i will just

00:15:10.260 continue because we've got a track of my my little uh my little uh my notes here um indeed so we're

00:15:16.460 going to be around around the key issues that i've talked about that we're going to be pulling our

00:15:19.620 members on we're going to launch basically individual campaigns on all of those on all of

00:15:23.580 those issues so um already we've uh if actually we've got it on screen here i don't know if we can

00:15:28.160 scroll down um we've we've uh released a number of um policies that we are going to be championing

00:15:34.320 like for example net negative immigration um this is basically the the notion that um more people

00:15:40.500 need to leave than are coming in in effect so the population is that is that re-migration or is that

00:15:45.440 a step before yeah i mean re-migration is one of these terms that's thrown about it means different

00:15:49.140 things to different people um whereas net negative immigration i think it's quite clear it's quite clear

00:15:53.200 what we're talking about we're talking about a shrinking population reversing mass immigration

00:15:57.060 reversing the boris wave as it says in the graphic there um and essentially encouraging those who

00:16:03.380 can't speak english or who live in social housing or who claim benefits or who refuse to work who break

00:16:07.740 our laws and just generally seem to hate but negative could mean that 300 000 brits give up

00:16:13.260 and go and live in spain every year and then 250 people from pakistan that's very true that's very

00:16:17.880 true and there is and there is certainly there's nuance to this because i agree that that would be

00:16:21.520 a huge problem um but we're talking about we're talking about reversing mass immigration we're talking

00:16:26.060 about reversing uh the the the policies that have been uh brought in over the last you know 30 or so

00:16:31.840 years um that have led this country to be demographically transformed in many areas i've worked on this

00:16:37.420 now for nearly 11 12 years and you know at least two policy papers on the idea of reducing

00:16:44.880 immigration the best i could get it down to fit was to 50 000 net migration damn sight better than a

00:16:50.600 million yeah no no it was and i i still got you know lots of things that we could do on that but to

00:16:55.740 to get to i mean the the idea initially with net immigration is is quite difficult to get net

00:17:01.420 immigration because you're basically saying no one comes to the country apart from those that we

00:17:05.780 amount to to leave and that's an incredibly difficult thing to do but as an aspiration i i think that's

00:17:12.620 something that we should have yes no you do you've got to set the flag yeah you have to set that tone

00:17:17.280 and you've got to be able to sit turn around and suggest that we can reduce out of the four or five

00:17:22.620 key pillars of one immigration is into this country that you can reduce the big ones and the big ones

00:17:27.320 you know students up there family reunion that i've always said has to go yeah i mean you can't have

00:17:33.260 any family reunion and then also look at legal legal migration i mean my my view on legal migration is

00:17:39.320 people should not allow be allowed indefinitely to remain they should only have visas that allow them

00:17:43.700 to stay here for two three four or five years maximum yeah so that also then accounts to come

00:17:49.080 in and it's also in some ways a very positive way if you're looking at this say you want nurses

00:17:54.180 coming from uh thailand or where we're picking them up a lot at the moment you're only here for three

00:17:59.420 to five years you can't live here you'll never get indefinite leave to remain but when you go back

00:18:03.240 you've got the the skills that you've learned here back in your own country totally totally so it's a

00:18:07.180 reverse colonialism yes yes and as i say i mean really like we're we're 24 hours from launching

00:18:12.540 and what we're doing right now is you know we're basically making statements of intent about what it

00:18:17.120 is we want to say so we've got net negative immigration uh there you go yeah country back we want

00:18:22.180 to restore the death penalty um which is a which is a widely popular uh policy for the likes of

00:18:27.740 axel rudy kubana and and others who have committed heinous crimes actually maybe the manchester arena

00:18:33.280 but there's no reason they shouldn't be boiled or hung or something it's it's an injustice every

00:18:38.960 every minute that they breathe is an injustice and and it you know keeps the trauma that they

00:18:43.780 inflicted on you know that the families and and our country in general it keeps it alive all the

00:18:48.820 while they continue to live um so we've got that um 50 that we hit 50 000 in about 10 hours and

00:18:55.040 we're on nearly 100k today you know as of today um i just keep going through some of these policies

00:19:00.420 just to give you a continue to give you a flavor of what it is we're trying to do here deport all

00:19:04.340 illegal immigrants mass deportations absolutely absolutely crucial just just go up slightly

00:19:08.460 yeah a bit more bit more bit more it's you isn't it a bit more elon musk that's right oh yeah yeah

00:19:13.800 no he clicked into on that rupert and i both spoke to elon yesterday i don't know who that

00:19:18.220 handsome young chap is that interesting so so uh viewers may know that that um elon elon musk

00:19:25.560 follows both me and rupert on x so we both spoke to him yesterday and he's been very supportive of

00:19:29.740 what it is we're trying to do um so that's quite promising very supportive verbally or checkbook

00:19:34.800 not checkbook yeah right hey um so yeah mass deportations i think it's self-explanatory this

00:19:39.660 is a mainstream position now this is a position that's being adopted by everyone from the tories to

00:19:44.600 i mean like well labor i mean labor are even speaking in these terms now um well they won't

00:19:49.360 actually do anything well of course neither will the tories but again but it's about where the

00:19:52.380 discourse is and oh look at that i don't know who those two handsome chats now uh banning the burka

00:19:57.320 again this this is this is so crucial because it just you know this this this uh cultural religious

00:20:02.720 practice has no place in britain i actually disagree with that one because it makes it so visible

00:20:07.040 the rate of decay that's that's that's quite a compelling argument to be fair but again statement of

00:20:12.460 intent we don't want this kind of thing in our country has no place here um yep net negative

00:20:18.060 immigration again you get the idea right so um i'm i'm always also by the way keen to hear

00:20:22.880 viewers opinions on uh the kind of uh the aesthetic that we're going for here um because i think graphics

00:20:28.020 are very nice but that's because i do do them that's because i'm right um it's quite bold because

00:20:33.720 you're going off that you often say don't use uh red red today but you've gone to this kind

00:20:38.660 of i'm looking at this with branding slightly off ready ready brown which worked really there so

00:20:43.480 you're not pushing off not pushing off the women with the color of red indeed so um so on these key

00:20:48.940 issues we're going to be launching essentially campaigns around each one so each one will have

00:20:52.860 uh you know media coverage articles op-eds uh videos graphics um and most importantly freedom of

00:20:59.380 freedom of information requests research and petitions right so we are going to on all of these

00:21:04.720 issues we're going to be launching um all of those things uh and we're going to make it impossible

00:21:08.960 for the leaders of this country to ignore these issues um so i mean i haven't said this already

00:21:13.500 but i'm going to say a lot from now on lotus leaders viewers join restore britain because this

00:21:17.520 this is how you know our voices get heard this is our vehicle for pushing our ideas and our vision

00:21:23.280 of this country into the mainstream what i'd like to see is where you get over the 223 000 which is

00:21:28.700 membership of uh reform that's right i i can see that happening yeah and in not a too different

00:21:35.420 distant future well again i mean these numbers members of reform are welcome to join and anybody

00:21:39.440 is welcome to join if they've got half of our viewers are not based in the uk so are they are

00:21:43.900 they welcome to join i believe so yeah i mean if you care about britain and you care about the future

00:21:47.560 of this country there'll be a lot of anglo americans watching yeah yeah well i mean this is the

00:21:51.900 mother country you know you should care about what's happening here and presumably that's why you're

00:21:55.440 watching this channel um and we're also on the on the kind of think tank side steven you um touched

00:22:00.640 on this already we are going to be looking to produce um your research and thereafter research

00:22:05.260 driven policy so obviously these are statements of intent with kind of um you know high level

00:22:09.920 somewhat low resolution arguments included but what we want is we want the data and we want the

00:22:15.020 specific laws that need to be repealed and we want specific laws and measures that need to be passed

00:22:19.180 um douglas carswell for example is is a great kind of uh he's he's done some really good stuff on

00:22:23.960 the privy council and i've been asked by others to you know another organization to kind of work

00:22:29.840 towards the laws in the immigration field what we need to repeal across the whole spectrum thing i

00:22:35.640 mean isn't something nearly like 40 50 different pieces of legislation and regulations that need to

00:22:41.180 go i mean it's huge amount in that because it has its tentacles oddly enough go across so many

00:22:46.060 different spectrums yeah yeah so um we will also be running events and conferences and this sort of

00:22:51.200 thing bringing people together in person because the power of that cannot be understated um and of

00:22:55.300 course we'll be yeah we'll be inviting mps think tanks press donors and of course our members

00:23:00.320 um and anybody else who who wants to come and and and discuss the condition of this country and

00:23:05.080 where we go from here so if you are a sensible young lady that sounds like an excellent place to

00:23:08.900 find a husband probably yeah yeah yeah that sounds good um ali i know he's not offering himself up

00:23:14.260 no no i'm uh i'm a happily engaged young young good man well done um so that is the vision okay um and

00:23:21.720 and our strategy going forward basically is to is to just is to just own the conversation in british

00:23:27.080 politics but the only way we can do that is with a sizable membership so once again load seats as

00:23:31.120 viewers please join up you know your your your contributions are are what make this possible um you

00:23:36.780 know we we are a very small team um and we're trying to do a huge amount here um and i think that we

00:23:43.060 have something here that could change british politics in in in a major way and in a way that

00:23:49.900 is basically unprecedented so uh i think that's more or less everything i had to say i'll put a

00:23:55.660 couple of questions to you then i've seen a couple of um you know sort of questions and reservations

00:24:00.260 have cropped up on the right in response to this um one of which being uh isn't it spreading it thin

00:24:06.840 that you've got um the claim and reform and um heritage and homeland and you know a whole bunch

00:24:13.760 of other ones and now there's another thing to put the the rights energy of course how would you

00:24:18.560 address that one well i again i would quite simply say that we are not a party so we're not splitting any

00:24:23.180 votes and members of all of the parties that you've just listed are welcome to join us um so that you

00:24:27.940 can be a member of reclaim or reform or whatever and you can join us and use us as a mouthpiece to

00:24:33.200 make your voice heard because you know again we've touched on this already but the reason that we

00:24:37.200 didn't want to go down the party route is because it's just so it's so limited in its scope and you

00:24:42.120 have your bank accounts right so that as well um and it's you know the ability to actually affect

00:24:46.580 change um through a vehicle like a party in our system is incredibly limited and i mean what what

00:24:52.700 reform has done that's the first with the polling that they're the level they're polling at now

00:24:57.220 it's the first time that that's been done in a hundred years right it's not often that you get

00:25:00.900 a breakthrough insurgent party in this system and even now as we've noted already they're kind of

00:25:05.920 going to the center right the system is containing them whereas a a movement a mass movement that

00:25:11.980 exists above the fray of party politics that can command the discourse in its totality and essentially

00:25:16.920 set you know set the marching orders for everyone in westminster is going to be talking about

00:25:20.420 that has far more power than i've seen it happen a couple of times we obviously when we're in the

00:25:25.120 european parliament of the five-star movement who began with a movement with grieger and he was a

00:25:29.500 really challenging individual and he transformed particularly the south and the middle but also

00:25:35.260 then started to break into the north of italy where they weren't really kind of the idea of having that

00:25:40.760 kind of five-star movement and then the movement transformed itself into the political party and was

00:25:45.840 able to win extensively first through the european parliaments and then get into legislation and of

00:25:51.120 course the maga movement was not necessarily it came off the tea party the tea and there's still tea

00:25:57.060 party movements there but the maga party came out of that once the republican party had tried to

00:26:03.080 suppress them the tea party was enormously successful it wasn't a political party it wasn't a political

00:26:07.220 party and so you have vents such as cpac which enabled to do to come a lots of people of the

00:26:13.920 conservative right in in america were able to come across and in many ways i see that yourself

00:26:19.060 restored as that kind of cpac in the sense because you've got the political think tank you've got the

00:26:24.320 individuals you can bring a big event in london's westminster and have people from all different

00:26:29.700 political spectrums there but at the time you make that change all those other political parties

00:26:34.280 you've talked about they're going to have to make a decision because if the movement is big enough

00:26:39.120 if the momentum is there the challenge will be either the movement crushes the conservatives or what's

00:26:44.860 left of it has to take on reform because they'll be the dominant figure and anyone else left simply

00:26:49.840 doing it because of egos will have to just go by the side because you're three four thousand polling

00:26:54.600 wherever you go it might suit you well that they'll have to either wake up or go away because i think

00:27:00.320 the challenge is as you say if we're going to take on labor and the left there's going to be there's

00:27:05.640 only room for one yes well there we go i think that's pretty much unless you had any other

00:27:10.460 questions chaps only one other question which is a lot of people have been saying yes i like this

00:27:16.720 but it needs to be filled with our guys is it filled with our guys well as i say the team is very small

00:27:21.500 but they i mean the fact i mean i'm not being funny i've been coming on lotus leaders for a number of

00:27:25.180 years i've you know written things in places like the daily mail that no i've written about english

00:27:30.420 identity politics in the daily mail and you know why democracy is failing in britain and why young

00:27:35.240 people are disaffected from democracy and i've also you know i also appear on here and i go on gb news

00:27:39.740 and you know uh some of the stuff that i get and you can vouch for all the other behind the scenes

00:27:43.740 guys yeah well some of some of the stuff that i people yeah some of the stuff i'm able to get away

00:27:47.140 with saying for whatever reason on places like gb news and talk tv and lbc um you know i i know what

00:27:52.600 time it is in this country people and uh i'm putting my name to this i'm putting i'm going to be a

00:27:57.140 public facing spokesperson for this organization as i have been today um and i wouldn't be doing that if i

00:28:01.800 thought this was in any way going to fail i think we're going to win i think this is going to work

00:28:05.700 and and but in terms of behind the scenes it's people i trust it's going to be who you see on the

00:28:10.040 advisory board who you see is going to be the spokespeople and who's going to be dealing with

00:28:14.140 your policies and once the names of those individuals come out that's where the movement

00:28:18.880 is going to be seen of whether it's on our side or and i it will be i'm i'm absolutely certain

00:28:23.480 there's no you won't be in there rupert won't be in there and it's not got the right people in there

00:28:27.240 rupert knows what time it is as well and there's nobody better positioned than him to lead something

00:28:30.660 like this so absolutely lotus eaters viewers tell your families tell your friends join restore

00:28:35.140 britain and well i mean this is our vehicle let's do it very very good right so um what do we what

00:28:44.180 are we you know like sometimes on work sites they have you know days since last accident or something

00:28:48.380 yeah i think i need one of those days since i've last criticized rachel reeves the most

00:28:52.880 incompetent chance and it's going back to zero yeah it's going back to zero because we we got

00:28:57.560 to talk about um how many were you on uh probably about two but then it was a weekend so yeah well

00:29:03.840 i suppose yeah working days yeah right yeah but in the pool so uh yes um you know rachel reeves she's

00:29:09.480 she's coming after your isa now you know having successfully upset that right pensioners and the

00:29:14.240 farmers and the uh anybody who doesn't like seeing children butchered and um business people

00:29:19.740 small business yes now people um who've just sold their house or trying to buy a house is is the

00:29:26.000 next target by uh by going after the isis um they don't seem to appreciate you can't just keep

00:29:33.860 growing the state forever and then trying to tax more to get out of it um and and too many people

00:29:40.460 are putting their money in savings um which is of course unattractive because otherwise that money

00:29:44.900 should be circulating you should be buying something from china so they can tax a tiny little bit of it

00:29:48.320 um as it goes past um this this article popped up um on that oh let me find the mouse here we go

00:29:54.520 right so um basically what she's doing she's she's going to be going after the cash isis uh now um this

00:30:03.040 is a sort of savings vehicle we have here in the uk um basically you can put money into these things

00:30:07.760 and from that point onwards it is tax-free yeah so that's highly attractive yeah you can put money

00:30:14.160 into a pension and it works the other way around you you get the tax taken off when you put it in

00:30:20.260 but when it comes out the other side it's all entirely taxable whereas an iso i think is the

00:30:24.980 number one savings vehicle because you put it in uh and then hopefully it grows and then it's you know

00:30:30.060 tax-free whatever whatever you take out of it and the other side of gains and any sort of dividends

00:30:34.320 or whatever it is you get out so let me read a little bit from this article to to to uh emphasize

00:30:40.060 what she's doing uh rachel reeves is poised to announce the cut to the annual tax-free cash iso

00:30:44.900 allowance reports suggest the chancellor is expected to confirm she will reduce the 20 000 pound cap

00:30:49.700 on the amounts that can be shielded from tax in a cash iso each year in a man mansion house speech on

00:30:54.680 the july 15th government wants to reform cash isis to push even more people to invest in stocks and

00:31:00.260 shares there has been intense lobbying city firms keen to boost investment in the stock market

00:31:05.800 industry experts have condemned any moves to slash cash iso allowances warning it would damage

00:31:11.880 incentives for long-term investment cutting the allowance would mean millions of people would

00:31:15.620 save less each year tax-free and would face a choice between putting their money into taxable

00:31:20.300 savings accounts or investing in riskier stocks a survey by stockbroker aj bell suggested that only

00:31:26.280 one in five savers would switch to the stock market if the limits were cut that's because there are

00:31:31.140 three types of isis isn't it there's a there's you're allowed to get this taxable element which

00:31:35.540 is free of tax one's part of it can be cash obviously stocks and shares and the third is

00:31:40.880 lifetime lifetime yeah well there's a couple of others there's one that won't bother talking about

00:31:45.320 an investment one but um the innovation and then there's a there's a junior innovation is useless

00:31:50.180 yeah it's it's it's not really worth talking about but yeah the main main types you're talking about

00:31:54.320 um cash which is literally just cash it's kind of pretty much held with the bank

00:31:57.340 yeah the thing is you know where you are with that one and the issue is of course most people

00:32:01.460 are not natural investors so it's all it's all very well for people like us because we worked

00:32:05.580 in the city we we know our way yeah yeah best yeah absolutely whereas i have no idea about any of

00:32:09.720 that kind of right well brokonomics is your is your friend it is yes no it's usually helpful down

00:32:14.940 um absolutely um but yes uh no for a lot of people then i mean then it's unrealistic to expect

00:32:20.400 somebody in their 60s who's never done stock market investing start to start using that as opposed

00:32:26.540 something straightforward that they sort of know about um i will mention the other ones because

00:32:30.160 it is kind of worth knowing if you're in the uk um you already picked up on the stocks of chairs

00:32:33.960 i said so that's the one i use which i i think is much more attractive yeah if you know what you're

00:32:38.820 doing yeah because you can put 20 grand in and you can turn that into you know potentially a million

00:32:43.920 yeah uh and and then any dividends you get from that and any gains you get on it tax free so

00:32:48.540 that is superior but you need to know what you're doing otherwise you end up losing your money

00:32:52.540 yeah i mean i i mean i trade my iso and i trade my own uh sip self-invested pension and the reason

00:32:58.520 if you're good at it and if you if you do it that's fine yeah and a lot of the reasons is at the

00:33:02.940 moment it's just not been attractive to invest in uk stocks because until the last three four months

00:33:08.560 when we've just seen a spike in footsie stock index it's just not everyone wants to buy america

00:33:14.180 yeah there's no dynamism there's no dynamism every and all the movement has been on us stock

00:33:18.520 oh absolutely but one of the things that people seem to miss about the cash iso the cash iso you

00:33:23.600 might go oh i've got a thousand pounds and i'll bung it in my bank account and the bank account gives

00:33:27.900 you whatever percentage it is i don't know probably about four is it 4.2 is a current account next to

00:33:33.680 nothing it's next to nothing okay so you get next to nothing and if you get anything out of it it's

00:33:37.600 taxed but if you have more than eight to two and a half thousand pounds in that and the bank goes bust

00:33:44.380 you lose it all 82 and a half thousand in that cash iso you don't lose it you can't lose it

00:33:50.620 so if you've got more savings than you can put into one bank account do you get more security in this

00:33:57.480 cash iso yes it's a good vehicle for most people and as you can see the light blue line is um the cash

00:34:05.180 iso i think there's a little bit more data i might need to scroll down on but um yeah essentially

00:34:09.340 you're getting um you know that is what the vast majority of people are putting their money into

00:34:14.780 is is the cash iso is less so the stocks and shares one um i'll mention the others quickly

00:34:18.740 because this will be important for people so there's the lifetime iso that you've already talked

00:34:22.720 about that is very good for young people because what that does is you put in you can put in up to

00:34:28.080 four thousand and then you get an extra grand added on top well i gotta say i mean as as a layman here

00:34:33.240 finance is just not my area um but i have you know i have a cash iso and i have a lifetime iso um i don't

00:34:39.020 stocks and shares because not my area um but both have been hugely helpful in my you know in

00:34:44.300 saving you know i'm like as as many will know buying a house in this country is extremely difficult

00:34:49.400 for young people um but to that end because the lifetime iso you can either spend it on your first

00:34:54.220 house up to 400 grand or you can use it as a pension in effect um and towards that goal it's

00:34:59.520 been you know hugely helpful and my and my well i use my my cash iso that's my wedding fund um yes

00:35:05.420 which you know which is also both of those are ideal for short-term investments yeah perfect for

00:35:09.600 that so the like the lifetime i saw just you you do get that extra 25 percent lift so it's well worth

00:35:14.600 young people and that should be in my opinion your primary savings vehicle in this country yeah yeah

00:35:19.260 and uh you know so to see the limit for i mean you know i'm not going to say that i was putting 20

00:35:24.020 grand into my cash iso you know i wish um but but the four grand limit i mean that is very low

00:35:29.760 you know for somebody earning even a you know modestly decent wage being able to save four

00:35:35.440 grand in a year it's not it's not it's not that difficult right well actually i'll mention one

00:35:39.960 more before we move on which is a junior iso you can put up to nine thousand pounds a year at the

00:35:43.960 moment into cash or stocks for your children and that's well worth doing that is well worth doing

00:35:48.420 when they're you know i've done that for both my children i put some um tesla and bitcoin in there

00:35:53.160 yeah um on the basis that it will either you know um i don't think it's likely but it could go to

00:35:58.140 zero but we could go significantly higher in 18 years time so you know well worth looking at uh

00:36:03.920 but yeah to your point for house savings and then that is one of the key vehicles for this stuff

00:36:07.660 because yes you're right and you might not be putting in 20 grand um every year and this and

00:36:13.960 this is the thing the lefties who have been attacking this have said i was like oh people

00:36:16.920 who are putting in 20 grand a year don't need tax breaks the people who can afford to put in 20

00:36:20.620 grand a year have a whole range of different vehicles open yeah yeah whole bunch of offshore

00:36:26.120 accounts and there's a whole bunch of other tax efficient things that they can do so yes you

00:36:31.020 know the very rich do use their 20 grand but it's a small part of what they're doing um you know

00:36:37.700 they're they're and they we wouldn't really affect them what it affects is people who have you know

00:36:42.280 maybe hit i don't know retirement age they've sold their house and now they're moving into a bungalow

00:36:46.980 and they've suddenly got a large amount of cash that they can then shove into something which

00:36:50.140 absolutely tax efficient or people at the younger end who are basically taking every penny that they can

00:36:55.180 spare and putting it aside for a house i know i am yeah and and and that could that could well go

00:37:00.780 over five grand in a year if you're if you're in that intense period trying to save up for a house

00:37:04.880 which is the thing that boomer's always telling young people to do i'll just save for a house it's

00:37:08.100 like well you stop having so much starbucks and avocado you you need a vehicle for that but i mean

00:37:13.520 um pushing people towards the the stocks and share stuff um you know like i say it is a superior

00:37:19.540 vehicle for me but it depends entirely on your time scale so i wanted to give up an example this

00:37:24.920 isn't a hypothetical example this is a real example you know let's say um i told you about an exciting

00:37:30.880 new tech stock um i'm taking you back to um this time 26 years ago so it's 1999 and i've got this

00:37:38.060 incredible stock for you um and you and and you listen to me and you put 50 grand into it

00:37:43.500 and this was one of the best investments of all time but where was it a month later

00:37:50.800 that 50 grand had gone to 30 grand right and a year after that it had gone to uh five no 470 pounds

00:38:00.800 it's not apple that's so the thing is right apple no is it no it's uh it's it's it's it's of that

00:38:09.700 league i'm actually talking about amazon oh right now 10 years 10 years after that yeah um it had

00:38:16.520 gone to 88k yeah so you made your money back and then a little bit more on top and 20 years later

00:38:22.020 it's gone to 1.6 million yeah so that is what even a good investment can look like there is

00:38:28.580 because most people's idea of investing well is they put their money in the stock market and then

00:38:34.260 the following day and every day after it just kind of goes like that yeah and it doesn't it doesn't

00:38:39.320 work like that i wish i wish in all my years of investing of like whatever it is 30 years of

00:38:44.180 investing i've done that once one time and and and that actually was my best investment and it but

00:38:51.100 one time and was that out of interest tesla of course i timed that perfectly but um actually my

00:38:57.400 second best investment which i think is going to overtake it bitcoin um i lost money for the first

00:39:02.700 18 months yeah then it kind of went flat for another year and then it really shot up so there was a

00:39:09.020 difference between risk which is the permanent loss of capital and volatility and the reason why cash

00:39:14.760 isis is so good especially if you don't know what you're doing with the investment stuff is let's say

00:39:18.800 i put you in um in amazon and it did that where it went down from 50k down to basically 500 pounds

00:39:26.160 before you know rebounding you know 20 20 odd years later um you know what if what if you had

00:39:33.160 actually taken that advice invested in it you know you might be happy 26 years later but what if you

00:39:38.560 wanted that money to buy a house or to have a life-saving operation yeah you're not good yeah

00:39:43.800 yeah i've got to ask uh dan again yeah this is a genuine question um in the face of this new policy

00:39:50.700 on isis um a lot of people tell me friends of mine swear by bitcoin right they say bitcoin is yeah

00:39:58.260 it's all you need to worry about when it comes to finance and uh investing all the rest of it do you

00:40:02.880 share that opinion do you think that in the face of this i would be better that is currently my

00:40:06.780 biggest position is bitcoin so i do like it the but that comes back to the volatility issue sure

00:40:12.320 so the thing you've got to remember with bitcoin historically it's operated around a four-year

00:40:16.700 cycle and for three of those years it's the best performing asset in the world yeah and for the

00:40:21.460 fourth year it's the worst performing asset in the world i see okay so if you put your money into that

00:40:26.900 and you've and you've got to take the view i'm not going to touch this for five years

00:40:30.140 history would say that you're going to be fine and i suspect you will be fine and you do very well out

00:40:36.320 of it yeah but if you've got a life-saving operation that you're saving for or buying a house in two

00:40:40.520 years yeah taking five years off is i mean you know if you're you know mid-20s or something your

00:40:47.680 partner is mid-20s you know you want to start a family like within the next year or two not

00:40:53.220 five six years later that's that's very true yeah so sometimes even if there is a really good

00:40:58.300 investment i mean what what i would do in that situation if i was in my 20s is put 90 of it

00:41:03.100 towards something secure for my next life goal which is going to be house and family yeah and

00:41:09.520 five ten percent in something highly speculative like that okay noted because that that way you

00:41:14.720 still get the benefit yeah or you just be really simple and just look put a bit in the s&p 500 every

00:41:19.720 month yeah and just leave it and because that's grown pretty well better than you know the kind

00:41:24.860 of interest rates but i know one guy who's done that he started off when he was like 18 19 putting

00:41:31.360 on me and he's now in his mid-20s done very well over seven years i came here to shill my new movement

00:41:36.360 but i'm getting a free finance yeah yeah absolutely right it's it's wonderful yeah no we're both in both

00:41:41.400 in the industry that's probably why we're wearing green yeah very good you know it's on breaking bad

00:41:45.760 whenever characters wearing green they're thinking about money yeah so that's that's that's what we're

00:41:49.600 thinking about today i've got a double green i'm loving the fact that we've got even our notes are

00:41:53.960 in green and green and yellow oh there you go it's it's it's it's sending a message yeah but but but i

00:41:59.220 think actually i'll talk about this let me talk about where's a button right there is a way around

00:42:04.920 this which i wanted to highlight for people yeah so what they wanted to do is you're saying as you're

00:42:08.160 going it's they want to take the cash element out and reduce that to virtually nothing to force you

00:42:12.280 so the idea the idea is if they take most of the cash option away that will make you want to invest

00:42:17.480 in stocks because they can't get people to invest in uk stocks yeah why would you and the reason they

00:42:21.960 can't get people to invest in uk stocks is because the uk is a basically it's a shit market it just is

00:42:28.620 there's no dining there's no innovation nothing i mean if you're going to put all the excessive

00:42:33.120 regulations that you found when it was an aim and then you've gotten the full listed onto companies

00:42:38.840 that have to suddenly spend thousands of pounds on compliance officers like i was in there and all

00:42:43.960 of those people to comply with the regulations then you throw in the eu regulations that we're

00:42:47.960 still having to accept and deal with even though we've left you put excessive costs on those companies

00:42:53.560 and also the costs on them being able to trade so as a consequence of that they're losing the ability

00:42:59.800 to go out and make more profit for themselves then throw in all the additional costs that businesses

00:43:06.040 have to face in the uk that reese is doing taxation employers ni you're reducing the costs here so the

00:43:12.440 only ones that tend to do well here in the uk are those who've got foreign investments like bp and shell

00:43:17.800 whose income is coming from abroad yeah indeed so that's right when i speak to people who are still in um

00:43:23.560 vc and venture capital investing and i ask them about their deal flow and so on they tell me but they

00:43:28.120 just don't even bother looking in the uk anymore because every time they invest in the uk it fails

00:43:33.080 and the reason it normally fails is something connected to government action yes and that could

00:43:37.560 be taxation or lockdowns are a big one but it could be taxation or regulation and young businesses in

00:43:44.040 this country they just keep on failing because of the business environment and then so like you say um

00:43:49.720 you know you look at your big bp or glaxo um yeah there might be british companies but all of their

00:43:54.520 revenues are abroad a tiny a tiny percentage of their revenue from the uk so even if you did get people

00:43:59.800 to invest in the uk the stocks that they would likely own they're doing business outside the uk

00:44:05.400 yeah they just happen to be headquartered in the uk and and this is the fundamental problem with this

00:44:10.120 thinking is is they are not asking themselves how can we make people want to invest in the uk how can

00:44:15.640 we make the uk an attractive place to invest how do you make it for some young entrepreneur here in

00:44:20.680 this country to say i want to stay here yeah build a business here and i want to export myself

00:44:25.960 across the globe because as soon as i get big enough here the first thing i do is they allow

00:44:29.800 the americans to come in and buy me out yeah yeah i mean i'll give you an example so so when i came

00:44:34.920 out of the city i i did a bit of work for my local university sort of helping out because the university

00:44:39.560 every so often throws up a business and some are no hopeless but there was a couple that were genuinely

00:44:45.240 interested in good businesses yeah and i worked with those guys and we did a few bits and the moment they

00:44:50.360 they started to get to the point where it's okay this is a real thing now both of those companies

00:44:54.760 bugged straight off to the us absolutely yeah so if they're not leaving they're being bought out

00:44:59.720 and we've seen some other bigger companies like deliveroo recently i'm not saying that was a great

00:45:03.640 company never particularly interested me in terms of investing but as soon as that's had an opportunity

00:45:08.200 it's sold off yes so we come in i've got i've got to say i mean you know i'm no socialist but i'm not

00:45:13.720 you know i'm not a big like thatcherite or i wouldn't call myself a capitalist as such because i think

00:45:18.760 you know purely from a from an optics perspective i think that for a lot of young people certainly these are

00:45:23.480 very negatively coded ideas you know capitalism is viewed as greed and well capitalism is a term

00:45:28.200 defined first defined by karl marx exactly right and he framed it in such a way as to highlight all

00:45:32.520 the negative aspects yeah and so and so i'm not like a free market suberalist guy i think that the

00:45:36.920 the role the function of the economy is to serve the national interest whatever form that takes

00:45:41.160 i think the excessive uh free marketeering can actually be just as detrimental to a country's

00:45:46.200 well-being as socialism um so i am you know quite happy to use the states to do things i'm not like a

00:45:53.480 absolutely minimal tax at all times and all places kind of person i think that tax is a kind

00:45:58.280 of inevitable you know part of life um but surely like you know if with that so so in that way i'm

00:46:03.560 not exactly dissimilar from uh you know a left-wing an economically left-wing kind of person but with

00:46:09.000 that being said there has to be a base of wealth to tax and so the idea and then so the policies that

00:46:14.120 you're talking about which dis you know dis encourage um or just discourage rather um people from

00:46:20.680 investing in the uk and from setting up businesses and makes it difficult for businesses to be

00:46:24.120 successful if the government is going to intervene yeah in a way you know it could focus its energies

00:46:29.480 on making sure there's abundant cheap energy yeah yeah which is our biggest cost in the uk that's the

00:46:34.680 biggest thing yeah yeah but it just seems i mean you know you would think that people would be

00:46:37.720 intelligent enough to realize that i'm okay i'm an unavowed capitalist i believe in i but i'm not a

00:46:42.360 corporatist which and you see i'm i'm against the idea of corporatism yeah because i've been there long

00:46:47.560 enough and big enough to know that most of the big companies want to work with governments in

00:46:51.320 order to create legislation and regulations yeah yes to suppress smaller companies so that's what's

00:46:57.640 going on with this thing that's it what's going on is is the um city firms are going to and saying

00:47:03.800 you need to incentivize people to invest in uk in uk stock market but yeah like you anybody who knows

00:47:09.400 anything about this they just go straight off to the us market that's right but and and they probably

00:47:13.400 also understand that most people are not good investors and they're partly temperamental but

00:47:18.760 it's also partly because there's no finance education yeah but they know that they can't

00:47:22.760 affect that so the easiest thing to do is just to use financial repression we call it to make it

00:47:28.280 so that people have to invest here yeah i talk about this all the time on brokonomics people want

00:47:33.080 to go deeper in that yeah does this have anything to do obviously lewis brackpool good friend of mine

00:47:37.320 and and of the shows um he's done great work recently with his foi requests about the meeting

00:47:44.040 that took place between larry fink and starma blackrock and the uk government does this have

00:47:48.680 anything to do does this kind of this these policies do they have anything to do with the

00:47:52.200 fact that organizations like blackrock seem to want to they could well be one of the lobbyists

00:47:56.840 yeah i mean i'll be surprised if they weren't yeah yeah yeah they seem to want to buy up there

00:48:00.280 was a phrase they used i can't remember what it was to my head but something like the you know the

00:48:03.320 inactive resources in the united kingdom by which they mean like housing and and and business and

00:48:08.520 this sort of you look you look at housing a lot of the housing now is being bought by insurance

00:48:12.600 companies bmp have been massive in that some of the uk company firms now that have been behind the

00:48:18.040 the scenes on trying to change legislation so that they can buy get rid of the landlords they

00:48:22.760 actively said landlords are bad yeah but we'll be better yeah because we can then then we should

00:48:27.800 become like germany and france where we have these massive insurance companies owning huge tracks china's

00:48:32.840 does it in and and a lot of housing states as soon as the housing states are being built the first

00:48:37.080 thing they do is go to these big companies and they buy five ten just to add to the portfolio

00:48:42.200 so that's a restrictive element on it and but when you look at blackrock i i covered this a while ago

00:48:47.320 what is it that blackrock's really heavily in into the uk at the moment one of the things it's heavily

00:48:52.600 into is energy is wind farms providing the loans out for the companies that are buying wind farms and

00:48:57.480 the solar panels yep so they're providing the investment into these through very often they're

00:49:01.800 buying a stream of subsidy income so so they get the various vehicles and then the companies are

00:49:07.560 doing the establishment of the businesses are getting the resources and capital from black

00:49:12.040 places like blackrock and vanguard and then they're going to have contracts to their interest to see

00:49:16.360 farmlands go yeah and on the back end of that they're saying well hang on a minute but we

00:49:20.440 lose our farmlands in the in in this country then who's going to feed us well blackrock are heavily

00:49:25.560 involved in farming in ukraine haha i'm sure they are yeah and so all of a sudden we get a third

00:49:31.800 element to it they're also the loans well look at all the big companies that are actually providing

00:49:36.440 the housing on the new housing estates whether they're going to be social housing they're going

00:49:40.440 to have to get loans from the city but because you're buying a lot of land a lot of capital is

00:49:45.320 required when you build a housing estate it's a lot of capital and they build that through loans as we

00:49:50.440 know and a variety of financial methods who's behind that the big fund managers so it's in their

00:49:56.680 interest to kill the farming in this country so you can get the solar panels and the houses being built

00:50:02.280 so that we effectively we just become little ants having to go to shops and supermarkets that are

00:50:07.800 also got big investments from vanguard and blackrock into tesco's and sainsbury's so that we buy food from

00:50:13.400 them and the food is produced well that's the other fundamental so i mean i mentioned this is why i'm

00:50:17.000 against corporatism i'm if the government's going to do anything it's number one get us cheap energy

00:50:21.640 cheap number two cheap food yeah and that means supporting our farmers it's two things that the

00:50:25.560 government does not do anyway we're running out of time so what what i'll do

00:50:34.920 i will just wrap up on on this um if if she does do this and she almost certainly will because it's been

00:50:40.600 it's been basically muted and she's she's so she's going to do this um you can kind of effectively

00:50:46.200 sidestep it by using money market funds so these are these are i mean they they're funds um so you

00:50:53.400 can buy them like stocks um but what they invest in is cash like instruments like um short-term debt

00:50:59.880 so i mean look into it more but take it from me it is effectively kind of cash yeah it's it's it's not

00:51:07.080 cash there's a few more steps and twists and turns involved and you've got to go via the bond market and

00:51:11.400 there's all sorts of freaky stuff that goes on there and i've actually just done a brokernomics it's coming

00:51:15.800 out today actually on how the bond market works and how a lot of this stuff works and it is a

00:51:20.440 little bit horrifying all the multi-layered steps that they go through but as long as the system is

00:51:25.480 working this will be as good as as cash if the system not if the system stops working if money

00:51:32.440 market funds go down banks probably go down as well so that's where you need your little allocation of

00:51:36.680 bitcoin um but you can't but you can sidestep what she's doing by with money market funds and look at

00:51:43.000 some other stuff as well so um yes zero days since we last criticized rachel reeves um but uh quite

00:51:49.400 worth it and you can sidestep if you need to she deserves a bit of complaining about she does she

00:51:54.600 does what's what's going on in the eusssr steven oh well this this this is quite terrifying i remember

00:52:01.960 they they touched upon some of this when we're in the parliament um years ago that some individuals i

00:52:08.040 remember meeting uh varifakis actually so um varifakis is interesting character yeah you know

00:52:13.720 he's a he's a fascinating guy i mean he does come off and say that he is a communist and then a

00:52:18.280 socialist uh and i i had a long long uh discussion with him if you think 30 minutes 35 minutes with a

00:52:26.840 former minister uh finance minister for greece in the european parliament sat down uh generally nice guy

00:52:33.320 i mean we got on he he realized i was uh one of farage's lot didn't like farage but uh people

00:52:39.400 told me that i'm an all right bloke so he was able to have a conversation with me and at that time

00:52:45.560 there were a couple of things that really really uh kind of got his goat um the the the first thing was

00:52:51.880 obviously what happened in greece in which the european union effectively used organizations like

00:52:58.440 goldman sachs to uh suppress uh the the political will of the greek people to actually kind of leave

00:53:06.680 greek was entirely a sacrificial lamb yeah eu project they they they were devastated unemployment

00:53:12.040 was sky high 80 percent youth unemployment or 70 percent youth unemployment uh people was were

00:53:17.560 literally eating out bids giving their kids away it got that bad uh all to try and save the euro

00:53:24.200 and as a consequence of that he had a choice uh and when he came into power where i challenged him

00:53:31.000 he said why did you not allow yourself to leave the euro and just let all your bonds go just let the

00:53:36.680 let the economy collapse but at least you're out of the euro and he said effectively many in the

00:53:42.760 government were threatened by the eu with legislation that they would introduce that would actually make

00:53:49.320 them all effective criminals in one way or another and also they applaud the power of what he called

00:53:55.000 the supranational wealth or you know the imf and others that would say that they would not allow this

00:54:01.080 to happen so he rather than fight for that with a political party that was of the left regarded as

00:54:08.120 quite extreme left every single one of those people that said we will fight this buckled

00:54:14.840 and they allowed the greek economy to go which is why i often say to yourself when we get a political

00:54:20.440 party or a movement like for like farage's reform the pressure being applied on them or the way that

00:54:27.080 we'll give you a nice job get a house of laws become an mp they're actually just trying to twist your arm

00:54:32.840 by giving you money the international power structure has a lot of levers it can pull so they do all sorts

00:54:37.960 of things on that so that was the the general conversation we had but i was always intrigued by himself

00:54:43.800 how he said that political leaders would be used and laws would be used against to threaten the

00:54:49.080 political leaders and then you look across what happened in the european union we saw in austria

00:54:55.160 they've effectively got rid of two right-wing uh prime ministers including a young chap now in

00:55:00.280 cuts who's just disappeared just resigned i've gone quite good he was and he was very very good and he

00:55:06.280 was standing up against them and don't think so they he's now no longer involved we see in germany the

00:55:12.280 afd being banned we've seen what they've done with marie le pen with charges that

00:55:16.600 literally every other meps group in the european parliament were doing in terms of being able to

00:55:22.200 use eu money to fund well and that's when they're not just outright reversing the election results like

00:55:27.000 was it romania yeah and then they then they do that and so i've come across one other aspect about

00:55:32.840 it that you've seen and that that is this and i might might need this which is uh oh hang on

00:55:38.840 let's go back up to what he's saying in here uh no where's far if you go back on the new tab and

00:55:45.480 click the forward arrow there you go all right we've got it back on there so farafakis comes in

00:55:51.080 i follow me it says our rulers here in the liberal west i love the way that he uses the liberal west

00:55:55.880 of a homed into a way of turning a person into a non-person and i think of non-person i think of

00:56:02.600 dostoevsky i i think of uh all well obviously but we also look at um uh alder huxley in numbers of

00:56:11.160 books where we come and we've got movies recently dystopian movies where effectively a non-person

00:56:16.040 now this guy is hussein dogri he's a german journalist although he was born in turkish but

00:56:21.960 not a dual citizen so he has got german german citizenships and the eu authorities have found a

00:56:27.720 novel and he uses an immensely cruel way of punishing him for his coverage and views on

00:56:32.920 palestine now many of us will have a very different view on palestine some are very

00:56:37.800 pro-israel some are very anti-israel others might argue a balance in between but this particular person

00:56:43.960 was not very pro-israel he's certainly very very pro-palestinian and we'll come to that so what they've

00:56:50.600 done from from him is they've used an unused directive which i thought was i really did think it was

00:56:57.480 kind of not really being used at all to that allows brussels to sanction any citizen of the eu it

00:57:05.960 deems to be working for russian interests and who defines that the eu exactly and that's the point

00:57:14.200 they look to his website and podcast and his podcast was used on ruptley not all the time it was

00:57:21.000 just a few episodes of his podcast were used as clips on ruptley is that a russian youtube or something

00:57:27.400 yeah ruptley was part of uh the russian tv channel that was was the rt thing rt so it was like an rt

00:57:34.840 um factual show that they had and i'm not even sure i'm not even sure whether i was on it once

00:57:40.600 or twice or something like that but they have different individual presenters here in in um oddly

00:57:46.440 enough the towers where reform's head offices are no bank in millbank so that the rt's offices were in

00:57:52.840 millbank uh before they were banned banned and all of them almost all of the people working for rt were

00:57:58.360 were british and some very very good journalists but they had a good one or two russians who were

00:58:03.880 on there in the uk but roughly was one of the channels possible i've been on it possible lots

00:58:08.840 of people are on it because it was seen in those days as being perfectly okay anyway he just had a

00:58:13.400 couple of his podcasts in it so actually having said that the eu is probably going to look me up now and

00:58:17.880 ban me as well so maybe i should have kept my mouth shut but they've now said that because

00:58:24.440 rotley used his podcast he was therefore a russian asset

00:58:32.920 this reminds me of when they brought in all that anti-terror legislation yeah and it ended up being

00:58:38.040 used by councils on people who put their bins out on the wrong day yes if if a law exists it will be

00:58:44.440 used in the most perverse way possible that's right and that's the kind of what worries me so

00:58:48.680 i'm going to run through some things and here his bank account is frozen if you were back give him

00:58:53.400 cash to buy groceries or make rent i'm going to come to claire daily when she deals with this she

00:58:58.440 she puts out really specifically but essentially he can't do anything he can't live he can't leave

00:59:03.960 the country he can't enter the country he can't buy food and if you give him food you're actually aiding

00:59:09.560 and abetting so this is exactly the same as what happens in china a friend of mine went there recently

00:59:15.160 um just as a tourist um but in order to um you know it's a alipay is their you know their payment

00:59:20.920 system that is their digital they don't have cash it's digital currency there um and uh for some

00:59:25.640 reason and this wasn't like a huge issue for him but his alipay account got frozen because of

00:59:29.400 suspicious activity and he was there he was by himself and he was just there like okay i can't get

00:59:33.720 any public transport i can't buy any food i can't pay for anything i'm in the middle of china

00:59:38.360 i don't speak chinese what the hell am i going to do yeah got sorted fortunately but you imagine

00:59:43.400 living in that country as you know or a country like that that has those kinds of conditions

00:59:48.040 and wanting to speak out against what's happening in your country as we have done

00:59:51.800 about britain today yeah where the state can just turn off your ability to live as you just said stephen

00:59:57.400 i mean that's a terrifying process what would you even do if this happened to you and

01:00:02.360 just be standing there like yeah you basically stand you stand you would have no choice but to turn to

01:00:07.560 crime to survive would you i mean what else could you possibly do you couldn't do anything other

01:00:11.240 than turn to crime to survive but any criminals that were working with you would suddenly become

01:00:15.800 an asset of the of the russian state and they would face it maybe then we'd actually end up

01:00:19.240 with criminality ending in this country because we regard everybody as that but one of the elements

01:00:25.080 that i i say particularly concerning about this is the only way that he can challenge this because

01:00:30.920 there's no trial and i'll come to his page trial there's no trial is he has to go to brussels but

01:00:37.160 he's not allowed to get there he's not allowed out he's not allowed out of germany to go to brussels

01:00:42.280 it's a challenge just not this is absolute this is this is soviet union level stuff yeah so here he is

01:00:48.200 all in the name of democracy all in the name of preserving democracy so this this is the chap here

01:00:53.080 um and he's as i say his name up there is hussein dogrew uh the eu sanctioned me and my media outlet

01:01:01.800 for covering palestinian protests in germany uh and it's part of a growing authoritarianism

01:01:07.800 militarism cloaked in language of fighting disinformation and defending democracy and this

01:01:13.160 is one of the things that i i i get um you know quite fearful about obviously i i didn't like what the

01:01:19.400 chap the guy was saying on the stage in in glastonbury and i certainly don't like him saying

01:01:25.400 about want our country back and the other phrases that i was looking at but other than saying incitement

01:01:31.400 to kill i'm actually a free speech absolutist i think the idf can handle themselves yeah i mean

01:01:37.720 my personal view is i don't think the idf are really worried about him if any one of those kind

01:01:41.240 of middle-aged white uh older people in glastonbury were going to try that that have been gone in

01:01:46.600 seconds yeah so you know you know if the idf would have you know that i wouldn't go gone sorry

01:01:52.600 now another coffee i mean they're quite good at dealing with crowds of people that's right they

01:01:56.920 are pretty pretty good at an angry liberal democrat from winchester is not really going to worry the idf

01:02:02.680 no i think but we do have this kind of insane individuals on there and he is entitled to say what

01:02:09.320 he likes as i say within the kind of framework of not genuinely inciting uh violence and that's why i'm

01:02:15.160 against the lucy connelly decision it's interesting that they're attacking somebody on the left because

01:02:19.480 if if they were attacking somebody on the right um you know we we'd be up in arms about this and

01:02:25.160 we're saying to the left they can come to and do the this to you next and they wouldn't listen they

01:02:29.160 would be cheering for it yeah but it is one of their own now and and the people on the right are

01:02:33.160 smart enough you know such as yourself you're doing this segment to say you know if they can do this

01:02:36.680 to this guy they can do it to any of us yeah and we've been saying this is exactly what they've

01:02:40.120 been doing to us after all we've been facing cancellations the show was cancelled on youtube yeah

01:02:45.800 i've been not hated personally you've been hope not hated i really just lost for words of what

01:02:51.720 hope not hated could mean there i kind of think it's some horrible meme yeah yeah you know they

01:02:57.640 run a hit piece on me but uh you know oh yeah yourself did you uh it was me and one other in

01:03:03.400 the same piece and yeah i mean you know well there were consequences for the other chat but i was quite

01:03:07.480 lucky i mean it's basically the based oscars at this point so yeah yeah yeah you you were actually

01:03:13.080 wanting to get on the hope not hated i was in it you were finally in it yes i'm finally in it

01:03:18.680 finally in the hope not hated yes most pleased with that i'd like to get an individual piece

01:03:22.680 if you're listening yeah what you want is what like matt goodwin gets which is like a three-page

01:03:26.600 spread is that he had a hope not hate three yeah which is why because matt's not even that radical

01:03:31.720 like yeah i don't even look but this is the point he's left wing and he's coming here and and uh he

01:03:39.640 comes down he talks about in this background uh how he had a company and that that he was nothing

01:03:47.160 happened to his podcast until uh tagger spiegel alleged without evidence that they were coordinating

01:03:53.720 protests in the service of the russian goal to destabilize europe now this is what i'm getting

01:03:58.360 really worried about i mean by all means i accept that russia will have an intelligence network out

01:04:04.760 there that wants to destabilize certain elements of well they're going to have to be really on their

01:04:09.880 game if they're going to be our own government so yeah but that yeah but there's no doubt that

01:04:14.680 we're doing the same in their country yeah i mean this is what spycraft is all about so we're doing

01:04:19.720 it in china we've been doing it in other countries we helped organize coups all over the world this is

01:04:23.880 no no no difference than what we're doing but they're saying that this individual's program

01:04:29.240 and that the next thing anthony blinken gets involved and said that his organization read

01:04:34.600 was a covert influence operation again with no uh the u.s state department never engages in

01:04:41.320 kobe no they never do anything at all they sit there also with the idea for a cup of tea going

01:04:47.400 all right let's have a coffee you know milkshake um it's interesting just quickly not not to be so

01:04:52.760 cliched at this point but this is literally like we've always been at war with east asia

01:04:56.760 yes using that as like russia yeah russia as as the you know the ultimate boogeyman to justify any you

01:05:03.160 know and i think that's i kind of have this little worry about me but that you know only the other day i

01:05:08.520 was on on um i think it was talk actually with with some expert about immigration i'd never actually

01:05:14.760 seen above him he was a quite nice guy he spoke pretty well obviously military background suddenly

01:05:19.800 saying that russia was behind all the illegal immigrants coming in i saw the same story yeah

01:05:24.360 and i was thinking to myself hmm hang on a minute covering this since 2014-15 when i was in the camps in

01:05:30.440 uh in france i didn't see many spetners behind them going oh lord go to somalia no go to england no it

01:05:36.360 just it just wasn't there yeah you know and i've got the western mediterranean front the eastern

01:05:40.920 mediterranean front coming over from libya now they're trying to suggest that it's the wagner

01:05:46.520 group of course all working through africa helping and aiding these people to be able to get

01:05:54.280 podcasting is that the claim that the wagner group are behind people doing podcasting in europe no

01:06:01.560 immigration illegal migration illegal migration so they're all i'm just saying we've just gone

01:06:05.240 off on the trans how does that work so you're telling me that the wagner group yeah got jobs at

01:06:11.560 the home office and and stamped eight million visas over the space of five it clearly did my personal

01:06:17.720 view is i think the home office then clearly are part of this russian kind of disinformation campaign

01:06:22.840 to destabilize europe i do love by the way that when i saw that story the cognitive dissonance because

01:06:27.560 it's like on one one hand these innocent refugees and diversity is our strength and on the other

01:06:32.120 they are a russian asset used to destabilize our country so which is it like pick one and that's

01:06:36.360 right and vaga group is obviously out there now helping them all providing them in roots i'm thinking

01:06:41.000 hang on if you are there in somalia i don't really need your help yeah i've already got my own people

01:06:46.360 smugglers who are going to come along and get me up there i've been doing this for years the british

01:06:49.640 government will give me a four-star hotel absolutely yeah so so no so this is a thing they're going to like

01:06:55.800 you say charlie they're using everything to suggest that it's all about moscow and russia and i'll say

01:07:00.840 no doubt there are elements to it but it's just not every aspect of our society so they got this

01:07:06.920 hybrid war and then we have the external european external action services annual foreign information

01:07:13.560 and manipulation and interference report so i've just been looking these up because it's something i

01:07:20.280 hadn't come across uh and there we are european law has a piece of council legislation which is a

01:07:29.240 decision made by the council of europe that sorry the european council which is the leaders of the

01:07:35.000 countries they made the decision they got a restrictive measures in view of russian destabilizing

01:07:40.920 activities and it's been in force and it's been consolidated on the 22nd of may this year so i didn't

01:07:48.760 open it up in terms of all the reports down there that you can go into but this is essentially it uh

01:07:55.400 it lists at the beginning russia russia bad um 2013 we're going right back then we've got a number of

01:08:02.600 cases with litvinenko and so we've got disinformation so it sets out what the european union thinks is really

01:08:12.120 bad about russia and as you go down it just goes on oh hang on there we go there there

01:08:18.680 instrumentalization of migrants in there uh they've been involved in doing that so it keeps going going

01:08:25.000 and then it adopts this measure that says if you're doing any of the following actions planning directing

01:08:31.880 engaging directly or indirectly or otherwise facilitating the obstruction undermining democratic

01:08:37.880 political process including holding elections attempting to destabilize or overthrow the

01:08:43.160 constitutional order if you start going through that that's essentially what people who oppose

01:08:48.120 governments do every single day it's what channels like this do it's what you do in speeches

01:08:55.160 so almost anything any political activity any political activity supporting or indirectly

01:09:01.240 supporting the movement yeah would fall within the category they've given themselves the power to

01:09:06.680 basically unperson everybody who is the slightest way of threat to them and all they've got to say

01:09:12.360 is that you are connected with the russian federation so that would mean for example opposing

01:09:18.200 the ukraine war or saying i want peace in ukraine because that could be the mouthpiece for putin

01:09:25.320 well obviously that's an allegation that's thrown at people if you're not supporting

01:09:29.000 zelensky then clearly you're a mouthpiece for you so obviously donald trump and jd vance fall within that

01:09:35.000 so it goes through it lists where you can be what sort of organizations you are and it just goes on

01:09:41.880 and then it tells you all your funds from held by legal or natural uh band taken off you and this goes on

01:09:51.400 and on and on now that i found when i started reading that i think god this is actually really really

01:09:59.080 oppressive because you are now a non-person you don't exist and they don't use it on terrorists

01:10:05.240 or grooming gangs or drug lords nope they use it on journalists they use it on this case a journalist

01:10:11.000 um and then this is the report by the third report exposing the architecture of it and i'm going to go

01:10:18.680 down here oh oh did i not click on the i might have to actually because i thought um maybe i can

01:10:27.720 so maybe i'll just lead on to this then the galaxy uh no that's the general i did want to go if you

01:10:33.880 go back on there there was a there was a thing that said yeah click to see full pdf yeah so i wanted

01:10:38.520 to go on this full pdf goodness i'm here right so here we are i mean i've never particularly liked

01:10:45.000 kajakalas i have to admit she she looks to me as though she's like a a smiling devil she's like

01:10:51.960 the personification of i will put somebody else to to put a knife in the back of your neck and i'll

01:10:57.320 do it and i'll say it was actually you were doing it in the interest of justice and democracy democracy

01:11:03.000 uh it's you know it's a quiet quiet ones that sometimes are the worst anyway you go through this

01:11:08.040 and this report is interesting for people who really get fascinated by this kind of idea of how

01:11:11.960 they build it build it up uh it talks about how elections were attacked by russia this is going

01:11:18.120 back to the question of romania moldovia africa lists through it um and then it goes through the

01:11:25.720 introduction here of all the types of ways that we are countering this and it has an east stratcom

01:11:34.600 task force set up to deal with um ongoing disinformation and when you look through the

01:11:40.280 disinformation again we we fall within it with this the show would fall within that disinformation

01:11:45.720 category if we oppose what they are and they've got some trends 38 000 channels 320 odd organizations

01:11:55.000 so they build up a trends and what they're doing with this document is legitimizing

01:11:59.800 the kind of idea idea that we are looking carefully at this we've identified these organizations and

01:12:06.040 therefore we can use this extreme like legislation because we are kind thoughtful liberal people so

01:12:11.480 so why why haven't they then if if they've identified all these legitimate targets why haven't they done

01:12:15.960 it why are they selectively enforcing it because they know that if they were to do it on mass there

01:12:21.960 would be such almighty pushback so what they need to do is selective enforcement to to send the message is

01:12:27.560 we can do this to any of you at any time watch yourself that's exactly as we did with lucy connolly

01:12:32.360 um they're just russia um china now is a very big one and i and it talks about other organizations

01:12:40.840 this is the sort of block of the architecture i love the way that they try and put these little

01:12:45.480 pretty pictures to basically say we're just going to control whatever you think how you think and then

01:12:51.000 this is the sort of organizations that they've put on this list now he the red organization was uh that

01:12:59.160 is roughly as one of the state-controlled outlets and his little organization was around here it might

01:13:06.520 have been that one so is this just in the context of russia russia and china right so if you look at

01:13:12.360 china uh i can't zoom in be fair they probably got the idea of this from china yeah yeah yeah possibly

01:13:18.600 if you zoom in them there you look at like phoenix tv if you ever go to hong kong or china you watch

01:13:23.000 these these are on their channels all the time on their television shows and hotels so it's like their

01:13:27.720 bbcs and things like that small channels and i don't i don't necessarily doubt that they are outlets

01:13:32.120 of propaganda of course you know yeah yeah but to the extent we argue that bbc is yes and of course

01:13:39.320 you come into it um and you get what i love it eu news part funded by the isn't that a state

01:13:47.000 organization and they come around says it's fine it's good well if china was saying exactly the same

01:13:53.400 thing wouldn't that be it's fine it's good that we've got all these people in the we guards and

01:13:57.400 they're not allowed to eat yeah because they're against you know they've been working with the

01:14:01.480 brits and americans to undermine china this is the thing i mean james burnham talks about this in the

01:14:06.440 managerial revolution but i like it's the way in which modern you know mass and scale democracies

01:14:13.400 like the ones or mass and scale systems like democracy in the west but also you know whatever you

01:14:17.720 want to call the chinese system and the soviet union and also nazi germany they all tend towards

01:14:22.680 the same kind of structure and sort of behavior as you know the state as an entity and i would prefer

01:14:29.640 it like you know in this what you're talking to us about steven you know the eu is indistinguishable

01:14:34.360 from china i'd actually prefer it if they were just honest about it yeah i'd actually prefer it if

01:14:38.440 there was an acknowledgement like no actually we are all playing the same game here like we are all

01:14:41.960 doing the same thing that would be preferable you know but to do so then would remove one of their

01:14:48.120 great faces that we are liberals and kind yeah you know that we are doing this all in your own

01:14:53.400 interest and we're helping because we want everyone to benefit from it when the reality if it came back

01:14:58.040 to saying exactly being honest that we're as dictatorial as the chinese we have the same instincts

01:15:04.200 as putin we just do it differently yeah and we lie and we lie about it more than they do like

01:15:09.240 let's let's be real for a second here like because of the facade of liberalism that the the eu holds

01:15:14.440 up i think that actually makes them more dishonest than the chinese because the chinese again whatever

01:15:18.520 you want to say about their system i certainly wouldn't want to live no i wouldn't in a totalitarian

01:15:22.360 surveillance state but at the very least i'm saying what they're doing to hong kong yeah yeah but at the

01:15:27.000 very least it looks from the outside like at some level there is a concern for the national interest in

01:15:32.760 the chinese state whereas in the in the eu and in eu member states it's it's as though the state is

01:15:38.200 explicitly oriented against the interests getting the worst of both worlds yeah yeah actually that's

01:15:42.600 a very valid point because a lot of people would say that we're getting the best worst of both worlds

01:15:46.680 exactly yeah we're getting the totalitarian surveillance state and we're not even getting

01:15:49.480 the national interest there's a lot of people here i'm i'm looking at a time a lot of people here

01:15:54.520 um so this is i don't know if you remember claire daly i don't know if she'd done this one i'm hoping

01:16:00.040 go straight on to her so fideas paniato i i like him he he he was like a some sort of blogger or

01:16:07.560 gamer no yeah i i've come across and became became and he's really radical and out there as an opponent

01:16:13.480 of the european union uh but he he is fun but claire daly was another of the i mean she had no time

01:16:19.640 for me unfortunately not like varifaka she is a very big strong irish communist independent mep

01:16:24.760 and to be fair there was a lot on the the liberty and freedom of speech elements that i liked even

01:16:30.600 some of her conversations on on what israel was doing or what the americans were doing you know

01:16:37.080 you could see it from the rights perspective where we we could align in some ways but she just would

01:16:42.600 have no truck with anyone who wanted to have uncontrolled migration migration controlled like

01:16:47.240 myself you know we're all racist just because we're in it but she makes a really good the bedrock of

01:16:53.720 democracy is freedom of speech but it's not very good news we are not the majority in the european

01:16:59.640 parliament that we want freedom of speech words and ideas are weapons and the european liberals are

01:17:05.640 here to save us from that and this is where the european union's 17th set of sanctions comes into play

01:17:13.240 because what you have here is sanctions targeting disinformation now what was this disinformation

01:17:20.600 and who were these people now a few of them were actually russians but there was also a german blogger

01:17:26.200 and there was a turkish citizen who was a valid eu resident who was also sanctioned let's look at

01:17:31.640 this case because in that case we have a person who's been subjected to an asset freeze and a travel ban

01:17:38.200 on the basis that he was systematically spreading information which the eu said was false they said he

01:17:45.240 provided pro-palestinian protesters with an exclusive media platform but what it looks like

01:17:51.960 is a person who was documenting german police crackdown on palestinian protests and in retaliation

01:17:58.440 the german authority slapped them with an eu sanction and if you're targeted by an eu sanction

01:18:03.800 this isn't don't hear the charges against you you don't get a trial you don't get a right to defense

01:18:09.880 you basically the first thing you find out about this is a letter coming in your door telling you

01:18:16.520 that your bank accounts have been frozen and that you're banned from entering or leaving the country

01:18:22.760 this is not just about speech you mightn't care about whether someone was silenced for pro-palestinian

01:18:29.640 speech or whatever that's not really important you don't have to agree with the issues there but you

01:18:35.560 have to recognize the danger of what's going on here because if it's them today it's you tomorrow

01:18:42.760 that's very good fair play to her and that is exactly my point yeah this is why we should be

01:18:47.400 very worried about when we're seeing on television the attacks against the individual as i say i don't

01:18:51.880 like what he said um but lucy connolly was right to what she said he was right to what he said it said

01:18:57.800 in terms of the free speech element about it rise up and honestly say let's go out and kill somebody

01:19:03.080 tomorrow and do it there and then then that's a different issue altogether and i don't think lucy

01:19:07.160 connolly felt within that categorization i don't agree with everything that the palestinian uh proponents

01:19:13.880 say i don't agree with them i agree with very easily you know i don't agree with everything that

01:19:18.520 the israel's idf do but i don't believe that i should have a sanctions hit on me because the

01:19:23.400 assumption of the european union is i want to control what you say i mean we didn't go into what the

01:19:27.880 blogger dealt with i mean i didn't really i couldn't really find much about him because he's

01:19:31.720 literally disappeared it's dark it's very literally disappeared he's a human being

01:19:35.560 existing somewhere in germany who cannot get money from any source can't buy anything but here's the

01:19:41.800 key point you didn't even know what happened to you until he got a letter through the post

01:19:46.200 imagine going for you so hang on i can't get money from the bank and then a letter comes in you are now

01:19:50.760 a non-person yeah it's a non-person letter we should be all seriously worried about how they're

01:19:57.720 looking at this um and so i thought she was very powerful she's no longer an mep i think she lost

01:20:04.120 her position um but there's a couple of other things i look on that um network effects again this

01:20:10.360 chap here uh not entirely of the right but again he is more into the technology side of things network

01:20:17.800 effects and he he looks at this he covered it and i don't know why he's gone on that but he did cover

01:20:23.800 some other aspects about the weaponization of counter disinformation to promote censorship

01:20:30.120 what sort of world are we in if we're in a liberal west when this this can happen and i don't know if

01:20:36.680 you know walter kim at all i find some of his things really interesting um but on the back of what paul

01:20:43.080 thacker said in in the new york times biden ages a campaign how did so many elected democrats miss

01:20:48.200 biden's infirmity he he just puts out in relation to this orwell thought naively that to pull off this

01:20:54.600 reversal census from the ministry of truth would have to go back and change or erase the first headline

01:20:59.640 today we are so beaten down distracted dazed that we don't even require this alteration

01:21:05.480 our brains are the memory holes and i just thought that's absolutely fascinating that here we are

01:21:11.400 every single day we are facing an onslaught from all different organizations and arms of government

01:21:19.560 to try and disarm us of what the truth is to ensure that we don't think for ourselves that when we do

01:21:26.280 challenge them we're deemed to be someone on the other side and i do hope that when we get down to one

01:21:31.400 of the key aspects of of what the movement's doing freedom of speech is somewhere we take absolutely

01:21:35.880 yeah because this is the sort of area where if we're accepting what the european union is doing

01:21:41.080 and don't forget we're trying to get closer to them what if our legislation is similar to that i

01:21:46.280 haven't even started pursuing that i haven't got enough time i'm trying to do enough on immigration

01:21:50.040 even if it's now the ambition will be to make it that way absolutely yeah so i i i i know we're

01:21:56.120 conscious on time it's 22 minutes past but this for me i think is one of the really really worrying

01:22:01.480 aspects not of just the european union but how it's going to be impacting ourselves we should

01:22:06.840 despite all the antagonism that we get from the left and they won't thank us for it

01:22:11.720 in fact in fact they they would use it against us i'm absolutely certain if they were in power and do

01:22:16.680 so to a certain extent as we've seen with lucy connolly but i do think that we should be be better

01:22:21.720 than them bigger than them and defend the ideas of freedom of speech irrespective of whether i agree

01:22:27.560 with their views or not and somehow disarm this i don't i just don't know how we can

01:22:32.680 borders you um have we got any videos um comment videos jack no right okay right um in which case

01:22:41.400 then on the comments um somebody called skittenhund has said charlie please don't spend too much on your

01:22:47.720 wedding the more uh the more you spend the less you have to start your life with uh we spent eight

01:22:53.560 hundred dollars well i mean so so the average uh cost of a wedding last year was twenty thousand

01:22:58.600 pounds and i am i'm quite substantially below that so all good i don't think i spent that much one at

01:23:03.400 my wedding and i did it on a battleship that's pretty cool did you different time though elfast

01:23:07.800 oh good was anyone there um i didn't i didn't want many people to come she insisted on inviting people

01:23:17.480 um all right we will do you want to do your comments or yeah sure yeah i'll go through some

01:23:24.360 of this so uh zesty king nice name uh one question i have for you charlie is was the announcement of

01:23:29.560 restore britain planned with ben habib's announcement of advance uk or was this a strange coincidence uh it

01:23:34.600 was neither so it wasn't planned um you know there was no coordination between what we're doing and what

01:23:39.880 uh ben did um as i said uh rupert and ben had been talking uh and yeah i i don't know how much detail

01:23:47.960 i'll go into here but uh ben was made aware of what we were doing made aware of when we were launching

01:23:52.360 and decided to launch his on the same day uh so that's that's what happened and you can make of

01:23:57.320 that what you will um corax 80 says charlie great idea 100 on board how will you defend against the

01:24:03.080 far left joining up to influence you into being unable to enact what this country desperately needs

01:24:07.480 it's a very good question i mean again like anybody with 20 quid and who cares about the

01:24:11.400 future of britain is welcome to join and that includes leftists that doesn't include the far

01:24:15.320 left i somehow think that we that our you know people who agree with us are going to vastly out

01:24:19.960 number those people though because they do you know we do in the general population and in terms

01:24:24.040 of the kind of people who are going to be i mean you know prepared to put down the 20 quid to do this

01:24:28.280 if it was free to join sure i would be a lot more concerned about this yeah you actually have

01:24:32.520 yeah you have to put a stake yeah if you have a stake money and i think it really yeah

01:24:37.160 it's important point to say that i'm really behind this i believe yeah um i don't think

01:24:41.400 people sorry uh sophie live i don't think people really value the power of pressure groups people

01:24:45.800 often point to denmark and ask how our politicians can be so based answer is they're not they're just

01:24:50.360 terrified of losing votes to the danish folks party so they try to make them irrelevant by adopting their

01:24:55.240 policies for themselves and this is the point right because we're not uh party political we want reform

01:25:00.360 and the conservatives and labor and lib dems and greens and everybody else we want them to adopt

01:25:04.280 our policies we want them to take our talking points and use them because this is this is my

01:25:08.440 point we're not trying to you know what we're trying to do here is a lot more ambitious i think

01:25:12.680 than a lot of people realize we're trying to shift the entire discourse we want the lib dems

01:25:16.600 talking about mass deportations right we want the greens talking about reversing mass immigration

01:25:21.240 we want labor talking about i don't know bringing back the death penalty and that can be

01:25:25.240 achieved through this movement that is the ultimate goal of it um daniel butchers says i've said for

01:25:30.280 years voting for a party is an unimportant part of democracy it's holding the elected to account

01:25:34.760 that's important and this is exactly how to do it best and that's totally right that's why we didn't

01:25:38.600 go for a party um it's because you know what what people in this country are crying out for and which

01:25:44.360 really nowhere is offering them outside of places like lotus eaters and others in the alternative media

01:25:48.920 space is a mouthpiece you know it's a voice so that those in power can hear it and of course we are

01:25:54.200 uniquely positioned because rupert is in parliament to actually hold the government's feet to the fire and to

01:25:59.000 and to and to um present the perspective of you know the actual will of the british people inside

01:26:04.840 the halls of power because it's one thing to shout from the outside and that certainly has its place

01:26:08.440 but to be inside i mean that's that's a different game entirely great opportunities that you'll have

01:26:13.720 limited because of this obviously the size is not in a group but you can hold events in the in

01:26:18.760 parliament which you know without being without and not outside of it if you're in another political

01:26:24.520 party that's not in power you don't have that small element of influence and that brings more

01:26:29.240 credibility hopefully uh george happ says i fully support the restored britain initiative thank you

01:26:34.360 i like that the policies are open to vote uh by the members i'm not too keen on the death penalty

01:26:38.520 and banning the burqa i don't trust the state with the former eu segment and i want the normies to see

01:26:43.080 how many muslims are in the country um so yeah i mean this is the point of the organization though i

01:26:47.960 mean we are saying to you you tell us what you think of these things because then we'll tell the

01:26:51.880 government what you think of these things and i you know i understand both of those um you know

01:26:55.720 both of those both those criticisms of those of those policies um but this is the point we're not

01:27:00.120 you know restore britain is not saying this is what the country needs i mean well to a certain

01:27:03.960 extent we are we're suggesting these things are necessary i do support the death penalty and i do

01:27:07.560 support banning the burqa yeah but we are saying like look this is what we think but tell us what you

01:27:11.720 think and then we'll tell the government what what you think um so justin b says i hope that

01:27:16.760 rupert's vetters are good uh with such an open joining process and the promise that votes determine policy

01:27:21.960 i can see a lot of less this yeah i mean i've covered that already i think uh omar awad says

01:27:26.360 remember government that restore britain is the peaceful option and this is so right i mean you

01:27:30.120 know yeah this like i'm not being funny we're on a very limited time scale in britain with uh you know

01:27:36.440 essentially before we go to hell in a handcart more so than we already are now and it becomes

01:27:41.160 all but impossible to use the political democratic um levers at our disposal to you know to save the

01:27:46.440 country and to write the course of the country and what restore britain and what to restore britain

01:27:50.840 is is the solution to that problem and uh lancelot says perhaps rupert should have called it the low

01:27:56.680 down very good very funny

01:28:00.920 i don't cover mine and oh also um on the um on the rumble thing uh somebody called a crew says

01:28:06.840 charlie can you convince elon musk to do this for the us please i think he's been

01:28:10.120 is he talking about starting his own party yes he is he is talking about he is talking about

01:28:14.520 something doing something similar isn't he yeah well again i mean i can't help but think that

01:28:17.640 the us system being very similar to our own he'd actually be better off trying to do this

01:28:21.160 same kind of thing you need on talk often is it daily not not that i mean he's a busy guy but uh

01:28:25.880 yeah i mean i've spoken to him you can take five minutes for you now and again yeah i spoke to him

01:28:29.480 on dms on twitter several times in the past uh which is quite cool you know

01:28:32.600 you know oh yes right um tom harris asks uh opinions on close-ended investment trust funds

01:28:40.840 dan um well very similar to open-ended funds except they can trade at a premium or a discount

01:28:46.600 so it is a additional factor to take into account but one way you could use that i suppose is say a

01:28:51.880 close-ended investment trust um which was an income generating fund if that fell to a discount

01:28:59.320 you get a better yield on it so it's it's an additional thing to think about um henry ashman

01:29:04.120 says getting rid or uh slashing cash isis is truly bonkers moving things to stocks and shares isis

01:29:08.760 a lot harder to pull the money from as and when you need it as there's a lot more risk associated

01:29:13.000 with it or certainly volatility i suspect stocks and shares isis will then be revamped along the

01:29:17.480 lines of pensions where the government is looking to force all the pensions into super pensions

01:29:21.400 i fully expect there'll be new legislation to restrict stocks and shares isis to be in super funds

01:29:25.880 the government controls and spattered up the wall yeah so it's a way of i mean tony blair has been

01:29:29.640 talking about that angle a lot of force people to invest in your funds and then use it for things

01:29:34.200 you want to do yeah that's right here so from yours um steven yeah it's just trying to see what

01:29:40.200 what have we got down there um i think it's that the eu is the evil stepmother of the fairy tales made

01:29:47.160 into an institution suffocating her children with false love and infinite worry uh says the roman observer

01:29:53.640 uh then we've got omar amwad who who's got in soviet europe usso impersonates eu past authoritarians

01:30:01.880 could only dream of the kind of total control digital systems give government authorities over

01:30:07.080 populations and i think that could be a very big worry for us in the future and when we got roman

01:30:11.880 observer the wagner group weaponizing migrants has been used like two years ago by the italian

01:30:17.160 anti-immigration government to use the i think it's the eu lefty anti-russian sentiment

01:30:23.160 so we could do something to stop the boats maybe and finally with roman observer being

01:30:28.200 honestly uh dictatorial is way too masculine for the eu well that's that's the funny thing about

01:30:34.040 the kind of totalitarianism that the eu represents is it is this kind of like feminine like kind

01:30:40.440 smothering kind of totalitarian like that woman who was uh who you had on the screen earlier yeah um

01:30:45.240 you know at the very least the soviet union had the decency to give you like a lavrenti barrier

01:30:49.080 or you know some like thuggish awful looking guy like there's a there's an honesty to that yeah

01:30:54.440 sort of suffocating in your breasts that's it right i think that's us for time so um thank you guys

01:31:00.840 thank you very much audience for joining us join restore britain yes do that do that and also turn

01:31:05.720 up for was it stelios harry and karl tomorrow see you later okay

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