The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1213

00:00:00.000 hello and welcome to the podcast of the lotus eaters episode 1213 for tuesday the 22nd of july

00:00:16.020 2025 i'm your host luke who joined today by dan and beau and sorry to interrupt your flow but the

00:00:23.760 the reason we're laughing is because chat was talking about in carl's latest video a parrot

00:00:28.080 ran randomly lands on his shoulder and we didn't believe it i just looked it up and yes he just

00:00:32.680 has a parrot ran randomly land on his shoulder yes so we're still coming to terms with this

00:00:38.940 revelation he hasn't mentioned ever in the office that he owns a parrot so this is literally new to

00:00:44.860 us right now okay so so we'll we'll be asking carl about the parrot later but for now what we're going

00:00:52.640 to be talking about is the completely sincere attempts to smash the gangs uh we're then going

00:00:59.040 to be talking about how the british police are irredeemably racist according to themselves yes

00:01:05.200 and then we're going to be talking about the democratic uh nominee for the new minneapolis

00:01:11.240 mayor uh which should be quite the spectacle let's put it that way all right over to you beau

00:01:18.500 all right so the government our government his majesty's government has decided that the way

00:01:24.720 to smash the gangs which sir queer starmer is is promised he shall do what did i say what what's

00:01:32.620 funny um nothing the man just has the occasional need for for a male model nothing wrong with that

00:01:39.660 no more money to ukraine yes um he's gonna he's gonna smash the gangs yes he's promised to do

00:01:47.020 um and they're saying they're gonna they're gonna release the names of certain individuals

00:01:53.320 and even organizations that have been doing so i thought we'd read a bit from this bbc well i can

00:01:57.700 tell you the organization behind it it's the home office right yes and i did hope you were going to

00:02:03.280 say they're going to release the kraken that's what we need some sort of seaborne leviathan just

00:02:08.520 roaming the english channel some nativist british patriot nationalist kraken in the channel yes i'm i'm

00:02:15.920 here at least released a moby dick or something yes um okay so yeah it is it is the home office

00:02:23.100 isn't it well it is the government if they wanted to take it out of the purview of the home office and

00:02:26.160 make it a defense issue yeah they could do but uh well as you said as you as we said ironically

00:02:32.980 earlier a completely sincere attempt to actually tackle this thing of course of course it's completely

00:02:38.940 insincere of course it's a tiny bit of red meat so that they can just keep flooding us obviously

00:02:44.740 and once again i have to say whenever we talk about illegal immigration or the small boat issue

00:02:48.960 we know that legal immigration is the real biggie but nonetheless again it's in the news cycle and

00:02:56.300 is it is kind of interesting sort of see this play out last time i talked about the small boats thing

00:03:00.920 a week or two ago whenever it was i said they will never stop they will never stop and i completely

00:03:06.760 believe that until they're removed from power and a new government which actually has got political

00:03:11.240 will to do anything about this it will never stop they'll just keep making up more and more things

00:03:15.080 yeah one more slight of hand um they always no intention they always need something they can

00:03:21.080 point to and say oh we're doing something look we put out an announcement where we said we're going

00:03:25.560 to smash the gangs or whatever it is and then that will hold them for like a month a year 18 months

00:03:30.700 to a year and then they come out with a new initiative and then the cycle repeats and you'll be and it's

00:03:35.200 been that way for the last 10 years well they've been in government now for like a year

00:03:38.240 yeah wasn't it one of their big pledges you've had a year you've had a year you've done sod all

00:03:44.100 yeah i doubt that these lists will uh have any real force behind them you know by comparison say

00:03:51.160 sulla's lists right from ancient Rome yeah not quite the prescription lists of sulla uh well just i was

00:03:58.240 going to save this later but they came into government on the promise that they would smash the

00:04:02.720 smuggling gas as rishi did rishi's whole tagline stopped the boats wasn't it yeah did nothing about

00:04:08.140 it in fact by betrayal in fact well so we're set to have an all-time record higher um and thing is

00:04:15.340 it could be stopped really easily if they wanted to there's a number of things to do anyway bbc tells

00:04:21.240 us gang leaders corrupt officials and police officers fake passport dealers and firms uh supplying

00:04:27.580 small boats could be publicly named in uk sanctions targeting people smuggling um so right away you

00:04:36.560 think well okay it's better than nothing i suppose but how's that really going to how's that really

00:04:43.600 going to tackle it because they'll swap those out for new people then um while there's always

00:04:51.640 incentives for the people to come here in the first place they'll find a way i would have thought

00:04:56.340 so it's one thing i've got a lot of ire for the french why aren't the french doing more why are

00:05:01.320 they facilitating our invasion but the counterpoint to that is a fair one is that we're incentivizing

00:05:08.060 these people to come across so although it is frustrating and annoying the french are so weak on

00:05:12.880 this or in fact actively helping them in all sorts of ways that isn't actually at the core of it

00:05:18.320 that isn't actually at the core of it to be fair if all of these people who are currently in our

00:05:22.320 country were desperate to go to france i would help them right well yeah so i can't i can't really

00:05:29.700 blame them but i mean we we can stop this ourselves anytime we want yeah anytime there were loads of

00:05:35.980 camps all across the south of england desperately trying to get uh picardy yeah yeah i wouldn't i

00:05:43.560 would sort of i'd dingy myself yeah yeah get get at least 30 of you on that off you go um okay so

00:05:51.040 this uh bbc article goes on the first measures are due to be unveiled on wednesday and i've seen

00:05:55.820 as uh essential to government plans to tackle criminal networks behind the crossings individuals

00:06:01.360 and companies are expected to be hit with asset freezes travel bans and restriction from engaging

00:06:07.200 with the uk financial system under these sanctions um again it's even if they did this sort of fairly

00:06:13.800 hardcore it would still be weak source wouldn't it um you're not addressing the key thing i.e our

00:06:21.080 welfare system not not addressing any of that not actually physically doing anything to stop them so

00:06:27.040 the rnli will keep ferrying them across the channel essentially or border force you know no massive

00:06:33.540 detention center in calais or actually calais in dover there actually is a detention center there

00:06:38.880 but you're not detained and then immediately deported you're just released into or taken to a hotel

00:06:43.100 wherever so all the all like the hard actions that could be taken none of that none of that

00:06:49.300 will just freeze the assets of some people we tell you we think are the problem um

00:06:55.700 okay it's understood that the first tranche would include the names of around two dozen people

00:07:01.480 accused of facilitating the trade oh great two dozen of facilitating the trade or profiting from

00:07:06.580 it but the migration advisory committee said the impact could be limited its deputy chair dr madeline

00:07:12.580 assumption said she wouldn't be surprised if the section if the sanctions were a game changer for

00:07:18.620 the industry as a whole sounds like advertising it's a bit optimistic yeah it does a bit like we're

00:07:24.460 going to put out in the names of the people who will get you over into england you know they should

00:07:29.660 immediately start a website in algerian or something yeah yeah why are they publishing the names what

00:07:39.300 why aren't they sending why aren't they sending in the sas to take them out oh well talking about

00:07:45.020 that i did a tweet just the other day where i said so i'd used four two commando and added four two

00:07:52.040 commando in it uh to secure the given french beaches in question let's any gendarmerie fancy

00:07:56.820 themselves heroes then i'd use elements of four five commando and four seven commando these are

00:08:01.380 like uh specialist royal marines that are right trying to do exactly this sort of thing uh to

00:08:06.700 approach and detain any and all small boats while they are still at sea have them brought back to the

00:08:11.120 french shore where they would be unceremoniously dumped i mean with extreme prejudice if necessary

00:08:16.320 yeah yes um yes i mean i mean this is the thing right if you came in if you were prime minister

00:08:19.900 tomorrow you could basically just say like the orders i'd do that do that i'd get the cabinet

00:08:25.700 round and i'd say home secretary don't worry about it anymore yeah don't worry about this defense

00:08:30.040 secretary the ball's in your court now yeah go yeah get me get me the head of the marines whoever

00:08:35.380 that is get me the head of the rnli on the south coast first stop doing anything yes and then we're

00:08:40.540 going to send in yeah 42 45 and 40 yeah but this is the point it could be stopped at any time and you

00:08:48.300 do it all uh before the human rights lawyers even have time to react to it yes you can declare an

00:08:54.060 emergency like the government a cabinet can declare an emergency you can just say this is an emergency

00:08:59.180 so we don't care what the supreme court says it's an emergency in fact we'll pass legislation to

00:09:06.220 end the supreme court if needs be yeah i mean government does that sort of stuff all the time

00:09:11.680 when it needs to so i mean covid was a great example of this the amount of stuff they did that

00:09:15.480 was just blatantly uh outside the legal basis yeah we're just doing it we're just yeah when you look

00:09:21.360 back at how governments behaved in the 19th century or even in the first half of the 20th century

00:09:26.140 they used to make big moves what we would consider a really big move it was sort of nothing

00:09:30.980 yeah so yeah we'll we'll uh we'll we'll make this industry nationalize this industry or privatize

00:09:38.540 this industry or we'll send gunboats over there we'll do this or that like today would be considered

00:09:43.420 like a whoa it's a really big move it's like a crazy thing but they would just do it all the time

00:09:47.120 because they had political will and some balls um unlike someone like rishi or starmer it's like

00:09:53.500 picking around the edges like very deliberately not doing anything actually isn't it i said the marines can

00:09:59.640 um the marines will be deployed as long as it takes to clear the channel and keep it clear it

00:10:03.940 would only take a few days of it before the word got across that the royal navy and the marines are

00:10:08.880 not letting any dinghies across yeah it'll take a few days or a few weeks maybe for that message to

00:10:14.340 get across and i think that would tackle it also unlike the um sort of traitorous police force i

00:10:21.400 imagine that the army would be well up for it if you gave them the opportunity oh god yeah i imagine

00:10:26.460 the special boat service or 47 commando be loving it yeah yeah in fact someone else said on twitter

00:10:32.820 i think it sounds like they used to be a marine they said you can guarantee there are plans like

00:10:37.000 this already drawn up guarantee it they're just not the government just won't use them but yeah well

00:10:43.980 i he's probably right i would have thought he's right oh no no doubt i mean they got they got loads

00:10:48.060 of young um staff officers who they need to give like assignments to so so they will give them

00:10:52.640 things like drop invasion planet canada i mean just all sorts of stuff it's just like yeah just

00:10:57.100 just just draw up a plan good partly because we want to see that you can draw up a plan and secondly

00:11:01.980 because we just want a stock of plans so there's a there will be a plan to do everything a contingency

00:11:05.900 for yeah loads and loads of different definitely for this there will be yeah yeah it's just the

00:11:11.220 political overlords yes number 10 uh weaklings well well it's not just being weak is it it's just

00:11:19.320 like it's not like you're forgetting to do that today right it's not like i haven't got like it's

00:11:25.140 not like starmer hasn't got the balls to do something like that if he wanted to he's deliberately not

00:11:29.980 doing it it's very very deliberately actively he doesn't have any balls but well there's that as

00:11:34.520 well but no when it comes to like sorting out his own party or something oh yeah he'll make a move

00:11:39.580 won't it yeah if it's like deselecting a bunch of mps or something that's kind of a political

00:11:44.060 he'll do that metal on that he can do that he can change our entire franchise

00:11:49.800 that's massive yeah he'll do that he's got balls to do that but not actually protect us okay

00:11:58.060 uh again this the deputy chair of the was it migration advisory committee for what that's

00:12:04.500 worth says there are so many people involved in the industry that targeting people individually

00:12:08.140 it's probably going to have an impact around the margins yeah yeah probably yeah and here's the

00:12:15.980 other thing if they're all like a lot of these people smugglers are in france right they themselves

00:12:23.620 are oh there's some we've got some clips from patrick christie's in a bit but um if they

00:12:28.040 themselves are from the middle east or sub-saharan africa or wherever um and they're in france

00:12:32.760 how exactly is sort of naming them or gonna really stop them from doing anything we need the french

00:12:39.860 it's not like the met police that will go over and arrest them it would have to be the french police

00:12:45.260 so there's no there's no talk of any of that we'll know who they are anyway yeah because they're not

00:12:50.680 hiding someone like patrick christie's can go over there and walk straight up to them and try and

00:12:54.180 interview them stuff everyone it's it's out in the open yeah pretty pretty out in the open yeah

00:12:59.260 well i mean this is just meant to be a smoke screen yeah so a little bit of red meat isn't it you know

00:13:04.760 if if challenged on i don't know bloody news night or something starmer can just say oh yeah well we

00:13:09.720 recently announced a plan where we said we're going to name the top people smugglers and blah blah blah blah blah blah

00:13:14.620 island shut up about it for another six months and then we give you a new initiative you know

00:13:19.260 always thus well this same woman says the impact is dependent uh to an extent to a massive extent on

00:13:26.220 the cooperation of other countries where smugglers are operating in france it only works if the french

00:13:33.120 do what we say or ask which they're not doing for years now haven't we we've asked we've paid them

00:13:38.660 loads of money to do a number of different things they don't really do it but they take the money

00:13:43.680 they take money yeah and every now and again there's like a clip or two isn't there of a

00:13:47.240 french policeman puncturing a dinghy just before it leaves the french beach yeah but beyond that

00:13:51.800 but but it's a very cropped in shot it doesn't show the other 800 dinghies lined up next to it

00:13:55.760 no puncher well the giant camps that exist in the calais the part of calais that they allow to exist

00:14:01.680 for what for some reason every now and again they'll go in there and half-heartedly break it up a bit but

00:14:06.000 yeah but not really not really tackling it not properly i don't want to again from their point of view it's

00:14:12.380 like oh a few less a few less monsters on french beaches on french well that's that's why i can't

00:14:18.760 blame the french the brits can have them well even if you were to just relocate them from the north of

00:14:23.280 france to the south of france go there you are there's a water you can cross it's called the

00:14:26.820 mediterranean it will lead you back to africa hmm bbc mentions that uh sir queer has promised

00:14:34.200 pledged to smash the people smuggling gangs uh they're not doing it they're not going to do it

00:14:39.060 um david lammy genius david lammy said that this initiative is the first of its kind anywhere on

00:14:46.640 the planet god yeah um like we're doing a good thing it's a great unprecedented thing it's nonsense

00:14:54.220 isn't it i think my first segment ever on joining the lotus eaters was about this issue

00:14:59.120 and it was it was it was rishi sunak then and it was on his his set of initiatives that were going

00:15:05.260 to do this just remember that yeah my first ever episode episode like 500 something and we're now on

00:15:11.100 whatever we are 12 000 or something you know this just carries on and on and on yeah miss miss balls

00:15:18.160 said that it's a decisive step in our fight against the criminal gangs who profit from human misery

00:15:23.780 um yeah there isn't there's a big element of human misery and yeah they're not doing anything about

00:15:28.520 it in fact piling more misery on us if anything yeah but you know when she says human misery she's

00:15:34.100 talking about the misery of the poor refugees who are coming across the channel she's not talking

00:15:38.620 about the misery that the people of epping are currently in right now or any other native brits

00:15:43.400 in the country how is it misery or the victims they yeah you come here you get a hotel and you get

00:15:49.620 pocket money and you don't have to do anything and you just if you want extra cash you can get a

00:15:54.800 delivery job and how is that misery that's not misery i think she's talking about like the poor

00:15:59.180 plight of an average eritrean who somehow finds himself in the part of calais and the plight of

00:16:03.880 his life and how he's being exploited by a smuggler that misery anyway she says it will allow us to target

00:16:13.040 the assets and operations of people smugglers wherever they operate cutting off their funding and

00:16:18.320 dismantling their networks piece by piece sounds all right doesn't it sounds like someone like um

00:16:23.940 paul wolfowitz or donald rumsfeld saying we will dismantle al-qaeda wherever they are in the world

00:16:28.660 piece by piece we'll take them apart and we'll take them on and take them down

00:16:32.400 well but it's yvette cooper a half-hearted thing that no one believes really

00:16:40.220 um the shadow home secretary chris phillips said the truth is you don't stop the channel

00:16:45.900 crossings by freezing a few bank accounts in baghdad or slapping a travel ban on a dinghy

00:16:50.640 dealer in damascus again are the other dinghy dealers in damascus or are they in france it's

00:16:56.840 another thing when we get people let's go to sort of patrick christie's things i mean patrick christie's

00:17:01.440 done a great stuff on this stuff for gb news yes um like they'll be like um it's not just him as

00:17:07.860 well lots of other journalists have gone over there and they'll be like warehouses full of dinghies

00:17:12.120 and inflatable boats like yeah it's quite an operation it's quite a big thing um there will

00:17:19.980 be a lot of people involved in it i mean here this is uh we can see this tweet how people there's

00:17:26.020 literally uh things posted to show people how to break into britain and it's just sort of up there

00:17:34.800 completely in the open no no my question is is does that i mean that's quite solidly done that bit of

00:17:39.660 workmanship i don't think it never trained did that oh i think a frenchman i think a frenchman

00:17:44.280 did that yeah yeah oh we'll talk about that uh there's one clip where well actually play a bit of

00:17:52.760 it all right well here we go again so we've just come from that camp over there we've walked down

00:17:58.760 here and you'll be able to see that just just immediately after the tree line is another

00:18:04.400 encampment in here actually it goes on for quite a while but you can just see that there's

00:18:08.660 it's it's a massive it's actually that place is a real mess just on the other side of the channel

00:18:15.580 it's a real mess how the french can sort of stand it i don't know um uh but yeah there's

00:18:23.660 and they're all around and they get uh they get aggro with him you go across the channel

00:18:29.140 uh they start throwing bottles at him and stuff he sort of has to run away

00:18:33.240 you're from kirkland can i ask um are you worried about crossing the channel are you worried

00:18:39.360 all right well hey obviously don't particularly want to talk

00:18:47.480 so they they make a bit of noise so all right we're gonna get to get out of here we just had

00:18:58.660 had glass bottles thrown at us so they're great people engineers doctors

00:19:03.740 yeah let's get this possible yeah that's the audition they're sending their best

00:19:08.400 um let's say another well anyway if you want to go and check out gb news twitter feed and

00:19:17.240 the stuff that patrick christian has done it's all there on twitter uh but yeah you actually in fact

00:19:22.180 there's in this clip we are back at the warehouse near the lorry these these people in the background

00:19:28.320 are french people that he goes up to they're like some version of care for calais but french

00:19:33.460 and he's just and they just start packing up and moving on the second they realize he's a dude with

00:19:38.200 a mic and he's just asking questions like what are you doing why are you like what's going on

00:19:43.220 like why are you helping and they're just completely evasive and a bit aggro with him and pretend they

00:19:49.540 don't understand english even though they did one second before and all that stuff when the french

00:19:54.200 misbehaving abroad they do well i suppose well they are by definition france is abroad but whenever

00:19:58.860 they start misbehaving they always pretend they can't speak english like that guy saying saying in

00:20:02.940 more or less perfect english and completely understands patrick saying i don't understand

00:20:06.660 and they say you need to speak french you're in france speak to me in french then but like what

00:20:11.740 what's that got to do with anything look they just pack up their little their little thing just sort of

00:20:15.660 bugger off uh yeah um so it's all there right out in the open uh what's the last thing i had i mean

00:20:24.680 this is yeah this guy so he walks up to this guy who's an actual people smuggler again we don't

00:20:28.860 necessarily need to actually hear he's just trying to ask him a question and uh and he's having none

00:20:33.700 of it so it's all it's all right there it's all right out in the open if the french would do something

00:20:39.460 about it because we can't right or if we or if we did really want to deal with it maybe have some

00:20:46.040 sort of deal where the french would allow a bunch of british cops to go to calais to police that region

00:20:53.700 of calais but again that's not happening i think this is perfectly legitimate grounds for occupying

00:20:59.800 calais right which usually if they're going to keep doing this i mean it is an invasion

00:21:05.000 we have every right to occupy calais i mean we've invaded normandy a number of times

00:21:11.820 done it before yes um of course hopefully france and britain are both nuclear armed nations so

00:21:19.740 hopefully it wouldn't end in a nuclear exchange yeah but if if you clear if you said to them

00:21:24.600 because probably what the background conversation at the moment is is we're going to make some

00:21:29.200 initiative can you play along with it and they're like yeah we can do that whereas if you were like

00:21:33.980 if if they knew you were serious no we actually are going to occupy calais then they'd probably

00:21:39.680 sort it out themselves i'll just say we're going to use the royal marines to turn any dinghies around

00:21:46.480 yeah um we hope it doesn't come to a full scale war with you yes but we are going to dump them back

00:21:52.900 on your beaches that's happening don't make us deploy our aircraft carriers yeah don't don't make

00:21:59.240 us have dogfight our fast jets versus your fast jet our aircraft carriers are not don't make us do that

00:22:04.640 but our aircraft carriers are not particularly scary so you're probably better off just launching them

00:22:10.100 from from airfields on the south coast all right yeah yeah that'll be much better yeah

00:22:14.560 don't make us reactivate all the airfields in the in the southeast world like world war ii not

00:22:20.380 after 210 years since our last war with you france don't make us do it yeah remember what happened last

00:22:25.560 time it didn't go well for you guys although there is an argument that um i was kind of arguing with

00:22:33.460 someone on twitter about it earlier about the the french forces are would be a handful for us

00:22:38.920 uh well maybe maybe not depends how it goes yeah but you don't you don't sacrifice your country on

00:22:46.520 the basis that you know fighting back would be a bit hard do you right exactly exactly yeah yeah

00:22:52.120 and plus i i really doubt if we sent like one of our uh cruisers into the channel and it's sort of

00:23:01.020 permanently there and it's sort of more or less permanently had uh royal marine commandos on it or

00:23:06.620 the special boat service or something um and i doubt the french would like nuke coventry yes or

00:23:15.580 london or off off the back of them we'd say look we're doing this um take it or leave it i doubt it i

00:23:23.580 doubt macron would actually mobilize all the french army the only thing i would say is that you know let's

00:23:31.400 say you became prime minister tomorrow successive governments have made sure that we are dependent

00:23:37.260 on the french so for example we cannot um provide enough power for ourselves without the french nuclear

00:23:45.180 connection we've got like undersea cables supplying electricity um they're trying to do the same thing

00:23:51.420 with farming as well make sure that we are dependent on somewhere like france always otherwise we can't

00:23:56.440 feed ourselves or turn the lights on and they own big chunks of our industries and things don't they

00:24:01.000 like a lot of our railway companies in part owned by french companies and all sorts of things yeah all

00:24:07.720 sorts of things but when it comes to a war if this is a war it's an invasion um you'll you'll work

00:24:15.300 around it you'll you'll make do you'll make other plans like when germany decided or got the memo that

00:24:23.080 russia's the baddie a few years ago yeah um and like uh what was it a massive chunk of germany's

00:24:29.240 energy came from russia or gas came from russia and they're like within one year they just flipped

00:24:34.980 it and got it from other places yeah they torpedoed their own they made it work chemicals and steel

00:24:39.100 industry yeah because they there was something they wanted to get done right so you make it happen

00:24:44.300 i mean i was listening to a very very interesting audiobook just the other day about world war one

00:24:48.640 well when world war one kicked off we're actually really interdependent with the germans in all

00:24:55.100 sorts of ways okay and uh well within a few days to begin with and then a few months we just figured

00:25:01.600 ways around it and yeah it hurt a bit economically and stuff and in terms of industry it damaged us it

00:25:07.860 hurt a bit but they made it happen because they had this much much bigger political project

00:25:12.920 so yeah i'm not worried about macron um what what he's going to send french marines to

00:25:22.260 to kill our marines if we did something like that i doubt it oh can at least block up the euro star

00:25:29.520 tunnel oh yeah oh well that'd be very terrible all right so that's um that's my time done oh well one

00:25:36.100 other thing to say is that patrick christie's anyway makes a good point that it's not just the small

00:25:40.460 boats it's also still the classic smuggling yourself in a lorry and then the lorry goes

00:25:46.980 through the euro on a ferry yeah that's actually that's actually still a massive massive part of it

00:25:52.360 all but they sort of forget don't forget about it's a small boat issue so anyway um all right we'll

00:25:58.280 leave it there i've used up my time all right uh for five dollars opunk says can't we just uh take

00:26:03.760 um well the nuclear option uh against france no we cannot do that opunk uh the hapsification says

00:26:11.600 it's not to say we don't have the balls i just hear he may have a preference for east

00:26:16.820 yeah very very witty and uh scott's eye guy says it seemed i seem to remember one of the funders of

00:26:25.200 the ngos uh facilitating the crossings of migrants across the med was the german government so if you

00:26:32.420 want to smash the gangs maybe tell them to stop that well i mean there's just so many countries

00:26:38.180 in europe aren't there who allow it's not just france it's also italy of course as well

00:26:42.340 other than if greece is the one that seems to be taking it's a blight all over the world i mean

00:26:47.720 there's there's organizations and gangs cartels that get people across the rio grande right that get

00:26:54.540 people there'll be a whole infrastructure that gets people into across the southern border of the

00:26:59.160 united states for example um saudi arabia manages to police their borders i mean they use barbara

00:27:04.920 and machine guns right they'll literally just strafe the area with machine gun fire yes works though

00:27:11.400 it works yeah probably wouldn't get it past the human rights lawyers but yeah yeah strasburg

00:27:18.780 would probably have rights lawyers saudi arabia has to be honest with you i don't know to be i've never i've

00:27:22.920 never thought to check actually no maybe i will attempted to do so now they don't have to answer to

00:27:26.900 strasburg no no they don't so the british police are racist according to the british police um this

00:27:35.460 is a report that um that carl found and um i thought yeah i'll have a look at that so it is the um

00:27:42.200 college of policing uh police race action plan improving policing for black people so um just black

00:27:50.260 people yeah just just them yeah just them okay that's the race that needs an action plan apparently

00:27:57.700 apparently apparently so yes um you can tell this is um this is interesting let's get past the contents

00:28:03.940 right so two deeply concerned liberal lefty senior officers there um one of them's got his ears in

00:28:11.900 widescreen mode um but otherwise looks like that bird from the muppets you know the

00:28:17.560 general hawk or something the blue eagle yes um let's just go for the first but i mean literally

00:28:26.120 it starts with george floyd that's where human civilization begun really it is the founding

00:28:33.440 story of our of our peoples overdose victim george floyd yes it's it's like the police replace the

00:28:39.700 crucifixion is like the the pivotal myth that we all um you know basis our societies on and they say

00:28:45.660 in the summer of 2020 nations across the globe were rocked by the outpouring of emotion following

00:28:51.040 the murder of george floyd um one we weren't rocked two it wasn't a murder carry on yes yes yes quite

00:28:59.100 but okay aside from that if you say so so in in the trial of derek chovin even the prosecution

00:29:06.300 admitted once they got a separate camera angle but that knee was on the shoulder not the neck

00:29:11.140 it was just the first camera angle made it look like it was on the neck but actually no one's

00:29:15.160 second camera angle is very clear it was on the shoulder and even then you don't choke someone

00:29:20.040 out by kneeling on the back of their neck never ever seen that in mma i've watched thousands of

00:29:24.540 mma fights yeah that doesn't happen nobody does that because it doesn't it's not a thing it doesn't

00:29:29.440 work but nevertheless yeah a massive fentanyl overdose yes but here's a report recently published

00:29:35.520 report that says that he was murdered um doesn't matter that he wasn't doesn't matter that the

00:29:41.200 prosecution in that case admitted um that no the knee wasn't on the neck and it was fentanyl

00:29:46.320 doesn't matter um it's heart stopped right he wasn't it wasn't a lack of air getting through

00:29:52.840 his windpipe his heart stopped yeah right from fentanyl yeah okay sorry sorry yes uh it provided a

00:30:00.640 catalyst for the expression of deeper concerns about the social injustice experienced by black

00:30:05.940 people uh this was the same in the uk although uh this was a wider expression against societal injustice

00:30:13.040 uh it was about policing yeah so um i'm not gonna i'm not gonna make you read the entire because there

00:30:21.520 was quite a lot of it here but there was there i just hand wringing and pearl clutching it sounds like

00:30:26.720 there's a lot of it i i read it so that you guys don't have to so i'm i'm gonna give you my

00:30:30.980 although um even you know our very own um george floyd stephen lawrence gets relegated to the third

00:30:37.420 paragraph yes oh yes floyd comes before lawrence floyd is above lawrence in the that's like the

00:30:44.080 hierarchy they're ranking okay oh well ranking he he's a lower saint obviously okay um a lesser deity

00:30:51.860 in the pantheon yes okay yes quite i wonder what his mum thinks about that well she's in the lord

00:30:58.720 dame lawrence yes so she can she can address that injustice um so so my key takeaway from this report

00:31:06.600 is is is one of the the the core premise of this entire report if you read it which i doubt you will

00:31:11.240 but if you did the core premise is is ideological not empirical of course um so so the the it assumes

00:31:19.580 that unequal outcomes is evidence of racial discrimination um there is no serious analysis

00:31:28.220 anywhere in here that i could find as to why certain communities interact with the police more

00:31:34.160 on the unequal outcomes might be a result of unequal behavior

00:31:39.440 well that that's an assumption that i might have right yes but it's not represented in this

00:31:46.220 in in fact um in uh page 16 under understanding and addressing disparities um i'll give you a quote

00:31:54.520 we recognize that disparities can be indicative of wider problems regardless of their cause

00:31:59.620 so of course causality does not matter um the disparity itself is treated as evidence of wrongdoing

00:32:07.740 yes um i mean that is a catholic trap that is right yeah it's abandoning reality isn't it yes it's it's if

00:32:17.600 disparity exists um it must be racism and if you question that you're racist there's like there's no way

00:32:25.740 there's no way out of that um all right i'm racist now can we get on with looking at the actual

00:32:31.800 evidence please yes um it ignores facts um there was there was no reference i could find in here to

00:32:39.740 crime data oh um it the it highlights that black people are stopped and searched at higher rates

00:32:46.920 uh but amidst key context the rates of violent crime and knife crime are disproportionately committed by

00:32:53.840 by young black men in london and other cities no acknowledgement of that um according to the

00:32:59.420 government's own office of national statistic the metropolitan police data um a substantial

00:33:04.760 proportion of serious youth violence robbery and drug offenses are committed by young black boys

00:33:11.400 no reference to that at all um i found a reference by in in the forward by uh dcc tyrone joyce

00:33:19.920 black people continue to be over policed and under protected trust and confidence in the police

00:33:26.520 is lower amongst black communities so um that's an interesting phrase over policed and underrepresented

00:33:35.300 no under under under protected so over policed get they get more policing than is their due

00:33:42.840 and that leaves them under protected

00:33:45.180 so the logic there is if in in order to protect them you you police them less presumably not at all

00:33:55.080 and that will maximize their protection that that is the logic that's going on there well that is

00:34:00.700 often the the sort of the paradigm they go for the whole defund the police thing in america for

00:34:05.600 example and didn't really get much footing over here but got some um in the idea that the police is

00:34:11.520 not in any way ever there to help them or protect them in any way they're better off with no police ever

00:34:18.060 that's sort of what they argue isn't it in various ways so you're right that the defund the police

00:34:23.640 narrative is is has been prevalent and it's been a conversation we've had over the last couple of

00:34:27.760 years but i just remind you this is a police's report written by the police making the defund the

00:34:36.020 police arguments mad by the british police yes um we've got fundamental problems with our police

00:34:44.120 haven't we fundamental ideological ones yes yes deeply if i was lord protector or yes master of the

00:34:52.680 horse or king or let's just go with prime minister i would reform the police massively i would change the

00:35:01.040 laws to allow them to do to not ever be worried about being too aggressive and stuff the idea that

00:35:07.540 they get pulled up and even policed for sort of uh stop stopping and search stuff like that no no

00:35:13.060 you're allowed to do all of that and i would swap out their leadership for just based guys yes anyone

00:35:18.560 that's got a hint of like liberal wishy-washy hand wringing anyone like that fired move on have a pension

00:35:25.260 whatever it takes get rid of them yeah but i want super based dudes now i mean day one take any crap

00:35:30.740 you'd have to fire everybody at the rank of inspector and above because you cannot get

00:35:35.160 promoted in the police these days by being good at your job but by adherence to the ideology but i

00:35:41.540 know i know a guy in the police who was going for a promotion a few years back and there were three

00:35:47.120 modules that you had to go through in order to get this promotion and one was on the job and the other

00:35:53.420 one was also about the job because there's a particularly specialized role so there's two two bits of the

00:35:57.960 modules directly related to that role and the third bit was diversity equity inclusion and he understood

00:36:04.900 how the police works so he revised for the third one and basically ignored the other two right and

00:36:10.740 and his results was out of the like seven people that were going for the job he came the lowest on

00:36:16.460 the first two modules and the highest on the third and they gave him the job oh yeah now he doesn't

00:36:23.520 think like this but he just understands how the police work and so he he played the game he realized

00:36:27.540 the only one that they're going to mark me on is the third module diversity equity inclusion one

00:36:32.180 yeah i had a friend in london last year who uh tried to join the met and you know works out looks

00:36:37.820 after himself is will honestly be like an ideal police officer but um yeah didn't didn't get the job

00:36:44.220 didn't get the job and then you see all these like you know short pygmy women oh going around in

00:36:49.180 police uniforms and you're thinking it's just that that there's a disease at the heart of our

00:36:54.580 police isn't it's a disease a corruption um so that needs to be cut out yeah so that was actually

00:37:01.200 going to be my my next um observation from going through the report um admission of racial preferences

00:37:06.040 in in hiring and discipline um so what did i find i think this is page 21 um according to my notes

00:37:13.220 um the plan commits to affirmative action and de facto racial quotas and recruitment and promotion

00:37:18.260 black applicants are to be encouraged and well prepared while white officers are not mentioned

00:37:23.080 uh the relevant quote i found was we will attract and retain more black people in policing use data

00:37:28.240 to understand and address disproportionality in promotion and retention um improve internal culture

00:37:34.300 so that more black officers are uh free to speak up so so it's deliberate racial engineering

00:37:40.920 well because they they outcomes they go by this well i was going to say preposterous but i've caught

00:37:46.300 myself here by this idea that like a community will be be policed better by someone who looks like

00:37:53.180 they're from that community but obviously what's implicit in that is uh if i were a white police

00:37:59.140 officer going into a white community they'd just be naturally hostile to me uh because i'm white and

00:38:05.260 it's like well if that is the case then we've got a real problem here haven't we right if you can't

00:38:11.760 even just go in and uphold the law because they see you as a distrustful other other group

00:38:18.560 a racial enemy a racial enemy then and would rather go to the worst gang members of their own for

00:38:26.600 protection as opposed to an actual professional official arm of the law then what what should we

00:38:33.600 take away from that well yes and and it makes it makes very clear that if they're going to do this

00:38:37.260 racial hiring then they are going to have situations where they've got you know a bunch of candidates

00:38:41.900 for a job and say four out of five are white one of the best candidates and then the fifth one is the

00:38:47.300 worst candidate but happens to be black and therefore he's given the job i mean that's that's basically

00:38:51.360 what that section is saying um it's rewriting policing around black grievances so um there's a bit

00:38:58.540 in the document where it calls for all police to undergo mandatory training in black history uh oh yeah

00:39:03.180 the quote is all police officers and staff will undergo training on black history including the

00:39:08.120 relationship between policing and black communities what what kind of perverse nonsense is this

00:39:15.820 yes it's how this is how you subvert and invert and pervert an organization

00:39:22.700 like it's one thing if it's just like the co-op or something it's worse if it's like sort of

00:39:29.520 uh english heritage or something but the police the police upon which law and order itself justice

00:39:37.300 the very rule of law yes we are going to use discrimination hiring and promotion and discipline

00:39:43.420 could it be any more potentially disastrous for us for a society because these communities have got a

00:39:49.600 problem with english people policing in england yes yes um my fifth observation was there was an

00:39:56.980 emphasis on feelings not facts around this things like saying uh black people feel um over police

00:40:03.940 they feel under protected they perceive racism there's a lot of emotional language in this

00:40:09.500 um no empirical data well given that their perception of the entire case of george floyd was

00:40:16.180 so remarkably off from reality in in every regard not really taking their feelings with any weight to be

00:40:25.780 honest tyrone joyce again it is no longer sufficient to be non-racist policing must be anti-racist

00:40:32.280 um and and elsewhere in the document this approach recognizes that disparity in policing outcome may be

00:40:38.260 experienced as discriminatory even when it is not intentional i.e when they're arresting people for

00:40:44.240 actual crimes you know it produces a different outcome but i mean fundamentally we have to acknowledge

00:40:51.780 the reality of the world is that that there are patterns in the universe if if you're looking for

00:41:01.200 someone who's committed a knife crime in london you're probably going to be looking for a young

00:41:05.340 black male that that's just the reality of it if you're looking for somebody who's done insider trading

00:41:09.380 you're probably looking for somebody who looks like me you know that that is just the real if if you're

00:41:13.760 looking for somebody who's committed thought crime on twitter you're going to be looking for somebody like

00:41:17.200 bow um and if you're looking for somebody who's done 74 miles per hour on the a34 in a jaguar e-type

00:41:25.140 1969 you're probably looking for somebody like luca i mean or if you're looking for us to to cast

00:41:31.940 someone called captain darling in a play yes uh you can do that too i mean i mean there are patterns in

00:41:38.180 this stuff and um you know this report acknowledges uh none of that uh my sixth observation was um it

00:41:44.000 betrays um a quality of treatment under the law so there is no pretense here that people should

00:41:51.040 or will be or have been treated equally under the law it is all about disparate outcomes um so um

00:41:58.780 i think it's page 18 all forces will adopt um a revised national stop and search framework that

00:42:05.240 recognizes and responds to the concerns of black people so it's you know the fact that young black

00:42:12.020 men are stabbing other young black men at record numbers that that is of no concern uh what is

00:42:17.820 concern is is is the concern felt by the black community and therefore we won't do any stop and

00:42:23.540 search well and of course um it's an obvious point to make as well but even by their own you know logic

00:42:29.760 of well let's let's look at it based on feelings and concerns well what are the feelings and concerns of

00:42:36.760 the remaining english people in london and the total alienation of their communities well the danger

00:42:42.900 that's coming about well if we're talking about concerns let's get those concerns on the table and

00:42:47.600 see how they have preempted me again sir um very wise i shall stop doing that no no no no it goes to

00:42:54.080 show that we think alike so excellent work um my final point on the report is going to be no mention

00:42:59.660 of white victims or under white under representation um um you know what it's it's white working class

00:43:06.620 i mean i looked up the worst performing police stations it's greater manchester cleveland and west

00:43:10.840 mercia um overwhelmingly white areas they're the areas that are suffering the most no mention of you

00:43:17.580 know um representation in white majority areas white working class areas not not a consideration at all

00:43:24.060 they don't matter we had an empire in the 18th century so now they don't matter see how that

00:43:29.820 works there there were sugar plantations in the caribbean 200 years ago so yeah the concerns and

00:43:38.660 safety of white people so the 2020s it doesn't matter therefore the safety of a plumber's daughter in

00:43:45.240 um west midlands or something or whatever is or manchester is is is of is of no relevance so

00:43:52.040 um no acknowledgement of white working class issues um even though they're the ones who are

00:43:57.800 you know coming off worse than this in terms of failing um you know this is racial disparity is a

00:44:03.940 problem only when it's politically convenient it is my main takeaway from this now i wanted to think

00:44:09.660 about where does this kind of thinking get you and and it actually cast my mind back to episode um 604

00:44:17.800 of the podcast which i'm sure you will remember well um that was an episode i think i did with

00:44:23.040 callum a while back where i talked about um a young lady um who who very much lived this ideology

00:44:33.500 um she she very much lived and breathed this ideology let's let's catch up with for those of

00:44:39.400 you who have forgotten who are hearing about her for the first time let's hear about what sasha

00:44:42.400 johnson has to say and they say about education we need a black militia when i say that i'm not

00:44:48.860 saying it because i want people to fear and think we're coming violent what we're saying is you push

00:44:53.260 we push you fight we fight peace is not peace until you recognize our life and we're not going to lay

00:44:58.600 down no more i'm not going down on the knee i'm always going to be 10 toes standing just like my

00:45:02.920 ancestors 10 toes standing no justice no justice take it to the streets i can't hear you no justice

00:45:11.600 no justice take it to the streets take it to the streets i'm scared of no terrorist group the

00:45:19.420 police is no different from the kkk they stand around and protect statues and buildings instead

00:45:23.200 of people they need to join the local council and start to litter pick too

00:45:26.100 so no justice no peace um f the police you know she she is a living embodiment of the sentiments

00:45:34.820 that were in that report she's the exact sort of person like her entire ethos and just attitude is

00:45:42.220 exactly the sort of thing you'd find um in south africa yes one of those kill the ball yeah yes

00:45:47.800 laughing as malcolm x yes i mean she she would be at home in south africa singing um was it kill the

00:45:53.940 ball kill the farmer yeah or she would be at home on the panel that wrote that police report you know

00:45:59.760 it's the same sentiment um this is a tweet from her and this is a while ago uh this tweet went out and

00:46:05.640 i'll explain why it was a while ago in a moment um this is a tweet from the white man will not be our

00:46:11.220 equal but be our slave history is changing no justice no peace so you know she's very keen on

00:46:16.920 on the concept of justice i wonder how much how that yes oxford i i wonder how that um um call for

00:46:24.740 justice um um she she was particularly vicious she saved her worst bile for other black people who

00:46:31.360 disagreed with her um classic this is this is her um addressing the concerns of a uh a black

00:46:39.680 individual who thought that she was full of it why do you think kneeling on a man's neck for

00:46:46.080 eight minutes and 46 seconds you see i could show you a video now that's a legal hold by the way

00:46:51.780 you just need to shut up man you're a coon you just need to shut up get angry some more and threaten

00:46:57.780 me some more get angry and threaten you some more i promise you i don't threaten you i promise you

00:47:02.340 promise okay so come out there let's live through the promise come out there let's live through the

00:47:07.700 promise i could promise you now come on come out there we live it through you're a cool dude what

00:47:14.920 what do you mean because i'm a girl you think i'm gonna fuck you up come on because i'm a girl

00:47:19.080 you're here to drive this side out to make it look like all black people are ignorant yeah i'm angry

00:47:24.560 right now because of what's going on it's made me angry yes just like when he was angry when he

00:47:28.840 thought that his town was being destructive his city statues were going out i'm angry too

00:47:33.180 of course you're angry yeah so why are you calling me dude what does the dude mean what does

00:47:37.840 the dude mean you don't believe stats and facts what does it do what does it do yeah there you go

00:47:43.500 so um you know a terrifying uh display there um threatened to to beat a man up uh but as you can

00:47:50.960 see she's she's full of vim and vigor on this stuff um you know the terrifying physical presence

00:47:58.760 of sasha john what it also goes to show as well that this descent from within her own people as

00:48:05.480 well even if you did um have a black policeman come to her community yeah she's not going to side with

00:48:11.320 them because he's a traitor he joined that british well presumably he's also a coon white

00:48:17.040 institution yes so yes uh yes quite be a collaborator or whatever in her mind um she was so committed to

00:48:24.720 this ideology uh that was in this police report um she spread it to her children uh maybe maybe

00:48:30.680 i'll play just a little bit of this it's recorded sorry no i need to okay well i can't i can't figure

00:48:36.780 out how to play it but anyway i can't hear you black power

00:48:41.120 i can't hear you black power black power black power black power every hour

00:48:53.840 every hour black power my son what do you say freedom is a must every hour they can't hold who

00:49:05.720 can't hold who can't hold who can't hold who can't hold who can't hold your mother

00:49:09.760 listen

00:49:12.200 every hour

00:49:15.280 every hour

00:49:18.100 tell you like that now

00:49:19.840 yeah please don't

00:49:20.560 i can't take it i hate it

00:49:21.920 that's fine that's fine but you know she she made sure her little kids

00:49:26.160 before they did the little dance

00:49:27.480 were um

00:49:28.440 right

00:49:29.180 were imbued with this with this ideology it was so important to her

00:49:32.880 um they're not even children are they though they're just foot soldiers

00:49:37.800 they just for her they're just the next generation of foot soldiers

00:49:41.460 in the race war

00:49:42.480 yes

00:49:44.180 that's how she's raising them

00:49:45.580 yes

00:49:45.940 yes quite

00:49:47.120 um so how did it work out for

00:49:50.860 sasha

00:49:51.960 um

00:49:53.120 unfortunately not too well

00:49:55.600 actually not not not too well

00:49:57.520 um

00:49:58.120 she um

00:49:59.420 she was attending a house party with some guys she was seeing apparently

00:50:02.160 and um

00:50:04.140 her and whoever this this guy was were in some sort of dispute

00:50:07.800 um with another group

00:50:09.860 and um they walked in

00:50:11.480 at 3 a.m. and shot her in the head

00:50:13.260 but she didn't go out

00:50:16.900 is she still alive to this day

00:50:18.200 i i i i've tried to find out

00:50:20.800 um her current condition

00:50:22.700 and and the best i can find

00:50:24.940 is that um

00:50:26.480 i i don't think she can speak

00:50:29.160 she's paralyzed down one side

00:50:31.360 but she can manage to squeeze her hand or something like that

00:50:33.620 she's not dead though

00:50:34.800 no i i i couldn't find any latest

00:50:37.560 the latest information i could find is from about two years ago

00:50:40.160 um

00:50:41.640 and i i suspect

00:50:43.800 although i don't know

00:50:45.340 is that she's still

00:50:46.600 bedridden

00:50:47.460 she might be out of hospital

00:50:48.580 but if you're missing half your head

00:50:50.700 well she lost an eye

00:50:51.840 and as you can see

00:50:52.700 a substantial proportion of the skull there

00:50:54.940 and therefore brain

00:50:56.420 yes

00:50:57.140 she's obviously missing a big chunk of brain

00:50:59.000 yes

00:50:59.900 that's probably why

00:51:01.580 paralyzed down one side

00:51:02.740 but being such a champion for the black community

00:51:05.200 i imagine

00:51:06.000 imagine

00:51:07.180 her supporters and her partisans

00:51:09.700 rallied round for justice

00:51:11.220 to get the people that did it

00:51:12.540 well

00:51:12.940 at least that

00:51:15.200 yeah i mean there is just

00:51:16.480 no justice no peace

00:51:17.580 i mean that was the

00:51:18.220 that was the um

00:51:19.180 that was that was the shout wasn't it

00:51:21.500 uh

00:51:21.880 no

00:51:22.160 turns out there was no

00:51:23.520 there's justice

00:51:24.200 i mean to this day

00:51:25.260 there is still a reward offered

00:51:27.700 um

00:51:28.620 in any information for the shooting

00:51:30.140 of um

00:51:31.460 sasha johnson

00:51:32.620 the interesting thing is

00:51:34.000 is that the police actually know who did it

00:51:35.860 oh really

00:51:36.680 they they found out really quickly

00:51:38.560 okay

00:51:39.000 oh

00:51:39.240 because the these were apparently not sophisticated criminals

00:51:41.720 because i mean the police could do all sorts of things

00:51:43.600 like when a when a crime happens in an area

00:51:45.700 they could they can track phones of course

00:51:47.200 so all they did is like okay well have we

00:51:49.620 you know um

00:51:50.560 we know that

00:51:51.380 five

00:51:52.480 people came in

00:51:54.060 there was an altercation

00:51:56.220 some shooting

00:51:56.840 and then they left

00:51:57.960 okay have we got five phones moving through this area

00:52:00.780 going into this property

00:52:01.820 and then leaving after a very short period of time

00:52:04.060 and yes there was

00:52:05.680 right

00:52:06.320 um

00:52:06.840 and they arrested them

00:52:07.660 right

00:52:08.200 and they found copious evidence on their phone

00:52:10.260 of a you know

00:52:11.440 serious dispute

00:52:12.680 going on between these five individuals

00:52:14.680 and the people in that house

00:52:16.280 you know

00:52:16.580 it was

00:52:16.820 so okay

00:52:17.720 it was circumstantial evidence

00:52:18.900 but it was pretty damn clear

00:52:20.600 that what was going on

00:52:22.220 um

00:52:23.000 that

00:52:23.540 and it was at a house party

00:52:24.820 the house was full

00:52:25.560 so loads and loads of

00:52:27.440 loads and loads of witnesses

00:52:28.420 okay

00:52:28.920 um

00:52:29.920 but apparently they all

00:52:32.180 they all

00:52:32.640 believed in

00:52:33.920 in Sasha Johnson's rhetoric

00:52:35.060 because none of them cooperated with the police

00:52:36.920 not one of them

00:52:38.520 which unfortunately meant

00:52:40.540 that she

00:52:40.840 she got no justice

00:52:41.720 or no peace

00:52:42.380 it does speak volumes

00:52:44.700 doesn't it

00:52:45.100 that you'd

00:52:45.760 you'd rather

00:52:47.660 yeah

00:52:48.660 her

00:52:49.440 killer

00:52:50.140 or not killers

00:52:50.680 her

00:52:51.140 her assailants

00:52:52.480 go free

00:52:53.560 than speak to

00:52:55.420 the police

00:52:57.060 well you've got to show racial solidarity

00:52:58.760 you know

00:52:59.840 that was her whole philosophy

00:53:00.980 presumably that's what she would have wanted

00:53:02.440 well

00:53:04.160 I suppose so

00:53:05.120 yeah

00:53:05.580 I suppose so

00:53:06.900 yeah

00:53:07.560 um

00:53:08.300 you know

00:53:08.720 this was the best I could find

00:53:10.540 on her

00:53:10.840 on her current condition

00:53:11.800 um

00:53:13.120 you know

00:53:13.460 this

00:53:13.760 you know

00:53:14.600 this

00:53:14.860 this article here

00:53:15.820 we're talking to a sister

00:53:16.660 it's a couple of years old now

00:53:17.820 um

00:53:19.000 but yeah

00:53:19.460 apparently

00:53:19.780 some eye movement

00:53:22.380 in the other

00:53:22.780 in the eye that she's still got

00:53:24.260 squeezing the hand of her mother

00:53:25.520 and that's

00:53:25.840 that's about it

00:53:26.400 that's what I could tell

00:53:27.720 um

00:53:29.120 you know

00:53:29.540 which is a bit sad

00:53:30.320 so

00:53:30.840 so she believed in these exact same

00:53:33.140 mentalities

00:53:34.760 the people who wrote that report

00:53:36.120 um

00:53:37.600 in fact

00:53:39.060 I'm gonna

00:53:39.620 I

00:53:39.940 you know

00:53:40.440 this

00:53:40.640 this again is another

00:53:41.620 you know

00:53:42.200 um

00:53:42.780 black brit

00:53:43.400 who

00:53:43.680 who takes issue

00:53:44.660 with her kind of thinking

00:53:45.940 um

00:53:46.900 who also made this point

00:53:48.060 um

00:53:48.980 which I think is

00:53:49.960 is worth listening to

00:53:50.940 and people have quickly moved on

00:53:54.100 a couple of months before the attack

00:53:56.920 Sasha did an interview with a youtuber

00:53:59.820 and at some point

00:54:01.660 the interviewer talked about a black man

00:54:04.520 who had a very positive opinion on the police

00:54:07.400 but later ended up being killed

00:54:09.880 by the same police he was defending

00:54:12.480 and what Sasha said is very interesting

00:54:16.020 because some people feel the same way

00:54:18.080 about her attack

00:54:19.460 have you seen the case of Jonathan Price

00:54:21.760 here in America

00:54:22.540 have you seen that case

00:54:23.720 no I haven't

00:54:26.880 I've been

00:54:27.500 hearing about it

00:54:29.100 well well

00:54:29.920 you know

00:54:30.260 what would end up happening to

00:54:31.960 to this you know

00:54:32.780 black man

00:54:33.500 is that he was

00:54:34.100 killed by the police recently

00:54:35.940 well

00:54:36.380 a few months ago

00:54:38.040 when we were starting to turn up

00:54:39.940 for George Floyd

00:54:40.760 over here

00:54:41.360 you know

00:54:42.000 he was one of the same black people

00:54:43.700 that was saying

00:54:44.180 what y'all doing out there

00:54:45.600 you making me sick

00:54:46.980 you making everything about race

00:54:48.580 then he started talking about

00:54:49.960 some white folks raised him

00:54:51.520 and fed him a lot of food

00:54:52.980 and he had these addictions

00:54:55.100 to their

00:54:55.740 you know

00:54:56.020 these white females

00:54:57.600 and all this stuff

00:54:58.240 you're talking about

00:54:58.640 how great the police were

00:54:59.900 and them same police

00:55:01.140 that he thought

00:55:01.560 they were so great

00:55:02.380 killed his behind

00:55:03.520 just early this month

00:55:04.960 now I don't want to see

00:55:05.640 nobody lose their life

00:55:06.480 but see

00:55:06.960 that's what we're dealing with

00:55:08.240 he needed to go

00:55:09.240 you say what

00:55:11.420 he needed to go

00:55:12.720 he needed the same

00:55:15.160 the same people he worshiped

00:55:16.940 the same people

00:55:17.560 he wants his merits from

00:55:19.360 they're the same people

00:55:20.740 who took him out

00:55:21.540 it showed him

00:55:22.780 in the end

00:55:23.460 who they are

00:55:25.580 so it took him

00:55:26.880 to that point

00:55:27.760 to see who they are

00:55:28.720 that's why we're saying

00:55:29.520 to our brothers and sisters

00:55:30.320 wake up now

00:55:31.280 what a psycho

00:55:33.240 what a psycho

00:55:35.200 yeah

00:55:36.060 strangely prophetic words

00:55:38.580 yeah

00:55:39.500 on this

00:55:40.160 but yeah

00:55:41.100 so I mean

00:55:41.900 I use Sasha Johnson

00:55:43.000 as a tragic example

00:55:44.840 of this type

00:55:46.340 of thinking

00:55:48.100 you know

00:55:48.920 more anti-white racism

00:55:50.520 is not going to make life better

00:55:52.780 for the British black people

00:55:54.860 it's not

00:55:55.840 because

00:55:56.440 you know

00:55:57.140 we've seen that

00:55:57.860 where that road leads

00:55:59.040 and

00:55:59.980 you know

00:56:01.080 a

00:56:01.360 you know

00:56:02.320 I was very slightly

00:56:04.120 paraphrasing a sentence

00:56:05.500 in the report

00:56:06.260 but it says

00:56:06.900 we accept policing

00:56:08.380 still contains racism

00:56:09.920 discrimination

00:56:10.760 and bias

00:56:11.680 yeah I think it does

00:56:14.580 but not in the way

00:56:15.540 that they think

00:56:16.220 and

00:56:18.020 and their philosophy

00:56:18.860 is just going to make things

00:56:20.320 so much worse

00:56:21.040 for

00:56:21.320 for the

00:56:21.920 you know

00:56:22.440 black community

00:56:23.100 with that

00:56:26.940 my goodness

00:56:32.080 a lot

00:56:32.440 a lot of people

00:56:33.140 the engaged view

00:56:33.800 says

00:56:33.980 what's next

00:56:34.520 require the police

00:56:35.200 to strip off their shorts

00:56:36.160 and beat themselves

00:56:36.860 with whips

00:56:37.320 and knotted cords

00:56:38.300 when they walk

00:56:38.760 for a black neighbourhood

00:56:39.360 well I don't know

00:56:39.800 I don't think they want them

00:56:40.900 walking for a black neighbourhood

00:56:41.740 at all

00:56:42.600 Alex Adamson says

00:56:46.400 oh you're standing

00:56:47.160 proud like her ancestors

00:56:48.380 who couldn't figure out

00:56:49.220 how to make a wheel

00:56:50.120 well I don't know

00:56:51.560 who her ancestors were

00:56:53.180 Cranky Texan

00:56:55.800 she starts those chants

00:56:57.060 with the same confidence

00:56:58.540 that a drill sergeant

00:56:59.600 has that they will be repeated

00:57:01.360 this is a military style

00:57:02.820 conditioning

00:57:03.540 yes

00:57:05.120 right

00:57:05.560 okay

00:57:05.960 all right then

00:57:08.140 yes

00:57:09.440 I'll have two miles

00:57:10.620 okay

00:57:11.680 great

00:57:12.200 so

00:57:12.720 as you may remember

00:57:15.000 recently

00:57:15.880 you had

00:57:17.000 the democrat

00:57:17.940 nominee

00:57:18.560 for the mayor

00:57:19.400 of New York

00:57:20.140 Mamdani

00:57:20.800 coming in

00:57:22.380 on a wave

00:57:23.540 of leftist

00:57:24.700 populist energy

00:57:25.720 and

00:57:26.500 but really

00:57:28.080 anti-Israel rhetoric

00:57:30.000 right

00:57:30.580 that was another

00:57:31.340 large part of it

00:57:32.460 but it's not just

00:57:33.840 New York

00:57:34.480 now

00:57:34.940 we also have

00:57:36.300 Minneapolis

00:57:37.960 as well

00:57:39.220 in Minnesota

00:57:40.540 now this is

00:57:42.280 but before we talk about

00:57:43.420 who the new

00:57:44.700 candidate

00:57:45.180 also just to say

00:57:46.520 the democrat

00:57:48.040 system

00:57:49.300 in Minnesota

00:57:50.440 seems to be

00:57:51.480 a little bit irregular

00:57:52.440 so what you have here

00:57:54.560 is not

00:57:55.260 this isn't

00:57:56.260 this wasn't a primary

00:57:57.400 it's not like

00:57:58.580 he is the dem's choice

00:58:00.120 but he gained enough

00:58:01.720 votes for them

00:58:02.460 to endorse him

00:58:03.400 but even though

00:58:04.500 this guy who is

00:58:05.440 currently the mayor

00:58:06.180 and also a member

00:58:07.140 of the democrat

00:58:08.160 party

00:58:08.620 as you can see here

00:58:09.440 minnesota

00:58:09.940 democratic family

00:58:11.320 that's the current

00:58:12.000 mayor of minnesota

00:58:12.660 this is the current

00:58:13.780 mayor of minneapolis

00:58:15.260 yes

00:58:15.580 jesse the body

00:58:16.780 ventura

00:58:17.340 territory

00:58:18.320 wasn't he the mayor

00:58:19.720 of minneapolis

00:58:20.760 is that right

00:58:21.380 he was a governor

00:58:22.020 wasn't he

00:58:22.380 a governor

00:58:22.840 right

00:58:23.280 okay

00:58:23.760 sorry that's right

00:58:24.760 he was yeah

00:58:25.160 he was governor

00:58:25.640 so this is the uh

00:58:28.700 the current mayor

00:58:30.120 right

00:58:30.620 and uh

00:58:31.680 jacob fry

00:58:32.480 and i felt like

00:58:33.840 we should talk about

00:58:34.720 him a little bit

00:58:35.360 because jacob has

00:58:36.420 been doing wonders

00:58:37.540 uh over the years

00:58:39.240 as mayor

00:58:39.680 for the progressive

00:58:40.780 cause

00:58:41.340 of uh

00:58:42.760 of politics

00:58:43.320 you can see here

00:58:44.160 from uh

00:58:44.820 uh 2023

00:58:45.880 says this is a great

00:58:47.120 day for minneapolis

00:58:48.460 everybody uh

00:58:49.980 should have this access

00:58:51.340 no matter their

00:58:52.040 immigration status

00:58:53.080 and he's proud to

00:58:54.580 see this bill

00:58:55.120 pass the senate

00:58:55.880 so licenses

00:58:57.340 for unauthorized

00:58:58.680 immigrants

00:58:59.100 uh

00:59:00.200 and you can see

00:59:01.840 here this is

00:59:02.680 obviously him

00:59:03.780 literally crying

00:59:05.380 in a mask

00:59:07.020 at george floyd's

00:59:08.440 funeral

00:59:08.800 okay

00:59:10.200 wow that is a

00:59:12.440 um

00:59:12.940 that is a

00:59:15.940 confluence of

00:59:17.080 vectors there

00:59:18.040 isn't it

00:59:18.420 crying

00:59:18.840 on his knees

00:59:20.020 george floyd

00:59:21.000 in a mask

00:59:21.620 i mean

00:59:22.020 he ticked every box

00:59:23.700 yes

00:59:24.020 shuddering with

00:59:25.340 tears

00:59:25.780 it's definitely

00:59:26.300 not performative

00:59:26.940 shaking

00:59:27.640 literally shaking

00:59:28.920 um

00:59:30.380 so what you

00:59:31.620 have

00:59:32.000 i mean it's

00:59:33.940 it's good that

00:59:34.560 he's taking the

00:59:35.500 fentanyl crisis

00:59:36.440 seriously

00:59:36.960 i mean there is

00:59:37.560 that

00:59:37.780 i don't think he

00:59:39.760 really got round to

00:59:40.540 that actually

00:59:41.000 frankly enough

00:59:41.720 uh but this was

00:59:42.840 another one that

00:59:43.460 was just totally

00:59:44.200 bewildering

00:59:44.760 it's a

00:59:45.160 today at city hall

00:59:46.300 we celebrate the

00:59:47.100 10 year anniversary

00:59:48.060 of the daca program

00:59:49.620 a program vital to

00:59:51.120 hundreds of thousands

00:59:52.260 of young people

00:59:53.280 uh what is the

00:59:54.940 daca program

00:59:55.460 i'll i'll come to

00:59:56.480 it in just a second

00:59:57.340 uh the minneapolis

00:59:58.980 we know and love

01:00:00.100 today was built by

01:00:01.580 immigrants and our

01:00:02.840 city continues uh

01:00:04.380 to protect and

01:00:05.500 support immigrant

01:00:06.560 children and

01:00:07.600 neighbors

01:00:07.960 now i just i'm just

01:00:10.560 asking questions here

01:00:11.600 but i do wonder if

01:00:13.980 the immigrants from

01:00:16.240 somalia and

01:00:17.920 eritrea because all

01:00:19.160 immigrants are just

01:00:19.900 immigrants right

01:00:20.600 the quality of them

01:00:21.620 doesn't differ on

01:00:22.440 where they come from

01:00:23.320 if they would have

01:00:24.580 been able to build

01:00:25.540 that very lovely

01:00:26.440 19th century

01:00:27.160 presumably if i were

01:00:27.800 to go to eritrea

01:00:28.980 or somalia every

01:00:31.660 time i walked inside

01:00:32.340 a building it would

01:00:32.840 look like that

01:00:33.500 yes

01:00:33.800 yes

01:00:34.400 yes

01:00:34.880 they also

01:00:35.740 i've never beaten

01:00:36.720 so i don't know

01:00:37.380 i mean maybe

01:00:37.880 you've never seen the

01:00:39.500 the eritrean

01:00:40.160 michelangelo

01:00:40.960 no

01:00:41.520 no i haven't

01:00:42.720 actually

01:00:43.060 neither have i

01:00:44.580 uh but you asked

01:00:45.980 me what daca was

01:00:46.880 so let's talk about

01:00:47.900 it daca was an

01:00:49.660 obama era uh

01:00:51.740 program and as you

01:00:53.340 can see here it's

01:00:54.400 the deferred action

01:00:55.420 for childhood

01:00:56.340 arrivals allowing

01:00:57.740 young immigrants to

01:00:58.820 grow up in the

01:00:59.420 united states to

01:01:00.440 seek temporary

01:01:01.080 protection and it

01:01:02.580 goes on to say that

01:01:03.340 it's already

01:01:03.780 transformed the

01:01:04.540 lives of more

01:01:05.120 than 834 000

01:01:07.620 young people

01:01:08.440 so presumably

01:01:09.860 we're uh nearly

01:01:11.340 a million

01:01:12.140 illegal children

01:01:13.800 who have just

01:01:15.220 been able to

01:01:15.920 through this

01:01:16.420 initiative

01:01:16.860 basically

01:01:18.280 uh be shielded

01:01:21.120 by the law

01:01:21.780 and continue to

01:01:23.520 live without fear

01:01:24.280 of deportation

01:01:24.920 i i see in the

01:01:25.800 second paragraph

01:01:26.260 it it then

01:01:27.560 discloses it

01:01:28.200 it's talking

01:01:28.480 about um

01:01:29.220 undocumented um

01:01:30.720 immigrants

01:01:31.160 yes

01:01:31.620 for some reason

01:01:33.520 that that is a

01:01:34.180 thing like

01:01:34.520 undocumented

01:01:35.100 shoppers are

01:01:35.900 just you know

01:01:36.760 stealing stuff

01:01:39.060 you know

01:01:39.300 undocumented

01:01:40.000 fornicators you

01:01:40.940 know we don't we

01:01:41.300 don't want to say

01:01:41.760 rapists or anything

01:01:42.600 you know we have to

01:01:43.160 use euphemisms at

01:01:44.160 all times

01:01:44.600 yes but uh well i

01:01:46.640 can't speak to the

01:01:47.360 fornicators but uh

01:01:48.940 the mayor was

01:01:49.640 definitely in favor of

01:01:50.920 the the illegal

01:01:51.940 immigrants

01:01:52.440 right right

01:01:53.140 it was definitely in

01:01:54.420 favor of that and he

01:01:55.980 really went to bat for

01:01:57.520 it uh this immigrant

01:01:58.940 heritage month we

01:02:00.060 celebrate the thousands

01:02:01.080 of immigrants who now

01:02:02.200 call minneapolis home

01:02:03.400 this month and every

01:02:04.920 month we recognize

01:02:06.160 their strength courage

01:02:07.300 and invaluable

01:02:08.320 contributions to our

01:02:09.620 city and so he was

01:02:13.020 also it's not just the

01:02:14.800 african immigrants as

01:02:16.160 well i won't play this

01:02:17.460 because i honestly can't

01:02:19.240 bear to watch it again

01:02:20.240 uh but the minneapolis

01:02:22.060 mayor uh signed a

01:02:24.020 resolution allowing

01:02:24.980 islamic call to prayer

01:02:26.440 to be broadcast daily

01:02:28.720 just forever

01:02:29.720 five days a week from

01:02:31.900 the mosques in

01:02:33.520 minneapolis

01:02:34.340 so so personally i find

01:02:37.440 this cringy however he's

01:02:39.140 presumably doing it

01:02:40.260 because it is necessary

01:02:41.540 to lock in um you

01:02:44.600 know immigrant support

01:02:45.700 islamic support so i

01:02:47.100 mean at least he's doing

01:02:48.040 it because it secures

01:02:49.640 his because you're gonna

01:02:50.780 you can have a career as

01:02:52.560 a mayor for decades

01:02:53.520 so at least i mean at

01:02:55.520 least he's doing all of

01:02:56.660 this so that he will be

01:02:58.060 the mayor for you know

01:02:59.480 well into the 2040s or

01:03:01.040 whatever it's the reign of

01:03:01.980 gambit yeah but they

01:03:03.660 won't vote for him i

01:03:04.500 mean is he jewish

01:03:06.580 yes right so the muslims

01:03:08.960 won't vote for him

01:03:09.640 once they've got a block

01:03:11.720 of their own no they

01:03:12.780 certainly won't vote for

01:03:13.700 but he's done he's done

01:03:14.600 everything necessary in

01:03:15.620 order to to lock in this

01:03:16.880 position for for years

01:03:18.060 ahead it won't work will

01:03:20.520 it everything well he's i

01:03:23.560 mean he's he's done all

01:03:25.180 the pandering he's done all

01:03:26.480 the pandering but is he

01:03:29.420 somalian that's the

01:03:31.140 question right right is he

01:03:32.700 somalian that's what i mean

01:03:34.420 it's like the the reign of

01:03:36.340 gambit it won't work no it

01:03:38.040 might work for maybe one

01:03:39.240 election right before they

01:03:40.900 realize oh no we'll just

01:03:42.700 vote for our own guy so

01:03:44.040 who's the other guy well

01:03:45.400 we'll we'll get to him in

01:03:46.460 just a second as you can

01:03:47.820 see here this let's just

01:03:49.320 focus on fry a little bit

01:03:50.940 longer so here is him

01:03:52.080 trying to win

01:03:52.880 ah somali anolato

01:03:54.600 somali anolato

01:03:57.460 wonder what his rabbi

01:03:58.260 thinks about this

01:03:59.080 what are they gonna say at

01:04:03.740 temple

01:04:04.120 oh this is really damaging

01:04:16.780 my cringometer i'm i'm

01:04:19.400 afraid this is truly an

01:04:20.820 example of civilization being

01:04:22.440 incommunicable right

01:04:24.360 have you run out of coke

01:04:27.840 yeah i mean i need i need

01:04:30.940 another line or two for

01:04:31.860 this

01:04:32.040 so you coke isn't gonna

01:04:35.620 cut it we need some coke

01:04:36.680 so we can yell long live

01:04:40.300 somali the jewish man can

01:04:41.880 yell long live somalia on

01:04:44.380 the stage with a bunch of

01:04:45.500 somalians but ultimately

01:04:47.420 you're not somali mate and

01:04:50.240 so you're not going to

01:04:51.400 compete with this are you

01:04:52.940 we should make du'a for

01:04:55.500 him and pray for him and

01:04:56.840 pray for him i understand

01:04:59.280 that our somali communities

01:05:01.300 are all connected to each

01:05:02.300 other here in minnesota and

01:05:04.840 back home and ask for your

01:05:06.520 support there's always been a

01:05:09.240 link between our community

01:05:11.100 here as well as back home and

01:05:13.960 i'm running to bridge that

01:05:15.020 gap and unite all of us and

01:05:17.340 represent all of us because

01:05:18.220 when we succeed here we succeed

01:05:19.840 everywhere and i'm hoping to

01:05:22.080 do that just so home yes not

01:05:25.080 america i picked up on that

01:05:26.380 home is in somalia yes it's

01:05:29.260 not in not his home obviously

01:05:30.960 he's not living there god

01:05:32.820 forbid uh he's over here well

01:05:35.360 over in america i should say

01:05:36.980 poor jacob fray did all that

01:05:38.920 pandering

01:05:39.640 and it didn't matter no because

01:05:42.920 he's not somalian but i'm

01:05:45.440 shocked yeah yeah it's uh it's

01:05:48.760 remarkable outcome i personally

01:05:50.380 did not see this coming i thought

01:05:52.460 the jewish guy was just going to

01:05:53.820 dominate um somali politics for

01:05:55.780 decades and so look at me i am

01:05:58.680 your mayor now

01:05:59.520 this is this is what it's come to

01:06:05.820 and the fascinating thing about

01:06:07.340 his little speech there it was all

01:06:09.620 about shipping resources back to

01:06:11.140 somalia you know when he says

01:06:13.080 support for for back home yeah you

01:06:16.520 know first of all by home he doesn't

01:06:18.080 mean

01:06:18.440 minneapolis no he means mogadish and

01:06:21.480 by support he means money it's how

01:06:23.940 can i send white people's money from

01:06:27.020 minneapolis to somalia that that was

01:06:29.600 what he was saying and white

01:06:30.760 democrats are like sure we'll vote

01:06:32.580 for you here's our wallet

01:06:33.700 yeah absolutely that absolutely that

01:06:36.540 so he also

01:06:38.000 but one of the remarkable things about

01:06:40.600 i do feel like this picture was

01:06:42.220 probably his exact face

01:06:43.440 yeah when the results came in it

01:06:46.520 really does seem like that so yes

01:06:48.080 this uh new kid on the block is omar

01:06:51.600 fatter uh which is just i'm going to

01:06:53.940 pronounce the surname i'm not really

01:06:55.740 that interested uh so let's talk

01:06:57.900 about some of his ideas shall we if

01:07:00.260 he has any uh with donald trump back

01:07:02.600 in the oval office the progress

01:07:04.460 towards equity and justice that our

01:07:06.980 communities have worked so hard to

01:07:08.900 create is in jeopardy mayor fry has

01:07:11.600 said that our approach to fighting

01:07:13.560 trump is extreme he's wrong the only

01:07:16.280 way to stand up to trump and his

01:07:17.940 posse of unelected billionaires is to

01:07:20.720 create a city that is radically

01:07:22.480 inclusive and stands up for those who

01:07:25.040 are most at risk i am running for mayor

01:07:27.360 so that we can do that work together

01:07:29.760 so it's the exact same uh rhetoric as

01:07:33.600 mam danny in new york it's about trump

01:07:36.380 proofing this city against the larger

01:07:40.740 wishes of the brit the u.s electorate

01:07:44.460 who have of course put trump in a place

01:07:47.780 of federal authority right in the

01:07:50.080 government but we're going to carve out

01:07:51.880 this little commune for ourself in

01:07:54.380 minneapolis no we're not going to uh

01:07:57.100 allow what it says here uh whether it's

01:07:59.880 for an immigration raid or not our

01:08:02.600 residents deserve a mayor that will

01:08:04.180 stand up to trump and say no not in our

01:08:06.620 community so to try keep out ice to try

01:08:09.720 and keep out ice raids in minneapolis as

01:08:12.880 well which i'm just saying sounds like

01:08:17.140 treason to me so i'm probably a bit out

01:08:19.180 of date on this but my picture of

01:08:21.840 minneapolis probably goes back to the

01:08:24.020 80s when it was quite famous for having

01:08:26.380 like quite a lot of nords like

01:08:29.260 norwegians and swedes right living

01:08:31.400 there um but i guess that picture must

01:08:34.080 be out of date now my 80s view of

01:08:36.940 minneapolis was not lots and lots of

01:08:39.800 somalians well i i hesitate to correct

01:08:43.040 you live on air dan but i think your

01:08:44.560 bigotry is showing a bit because

01:08:45.860 somalians can be scandinavians too yeah

01:08:48.680 that is that yes yes you you are quite

01:08:50.980 right yes is this ilhan omar territory as

01:08:53.400 well is she up there well she is somalian

01:08:56.120 but in what i mean isn't her seat up in

01:08:59.640 that part of the world more michigan is

01:09:02.260 she i i can't yeah i think i can't

01:09:04.500 remember actually anyway but uh that's

01:09:07.520 all right doesn't really matter uh he

01:09:08.980 also this is was a remarkable one as

01:09:11.920 well on uh public safety if i can find

01:09:15.280 it there we go uh he goes on to say

01:09:17.500 that uh minneapolis residents want a

01:09:19.540 mayor whose bold and transformative

01:09:21.560 approaches to public safety will end the

01:09:24.420 cycle of the minneapolis police

01:09:25.980 department's violence and brutality that

01:09:29.280 has held our city captive for many years

01:09:32.380 so presumably like minneapolis like

01:09:34.820 jugged dread style yeah just going around

01:09:38.700 just murdering minorities yeah ilhan omar

01:09:42.160 is uh minnesota right okay right well

01:09:45.080 that's it's truly an east african

01:09:47.560 enclave it has the largest concentration

01:09:50.520 of uh somalians of any state yeah if

01:09:54.200 you'd asked me in the 90s yeah where

01:09:56.320 there would be an east african somali

01:09:58.440 enclave in the united states could be

01:10:00.360 anywhere where do you think it'll be

01:10:01.360 yeah i wouldn't have guessed minnesota

01:10:03.480 no it's just oh yeah i would not and

01:10:06.320 isn't it really cold there a lot of the

01:10:07.640 like massive snow drifts and stuff yeah

01:10:09.240 again that was my image of it as well

01:10:11.100 the scandis went there oh yeah because

01:10:12.800 it's i mean it's near these it's near

01:10:14.360 the frozen wastelands of canada isn't it

01:10:16.020 so yeah okay um but no the police

01:10:19.740 department has been holding the city

01:10:21.040 captive for many years has it so exactly

01:10:25.040 the same sort of rhetoric that you were

01:10:26.900 talking about in the last segment dan

01:10:28.620 this entire philosophy he goes on to say

01:10:30.400 that uh what we're going to do is

01:10:32.040 invest in upstream solutions to reduce

01:10:34.640 crime that results from so crime that

01:10:37.400 results from poverty and lacking access

01:10:40.000 to mental health care housing public

01:10:42.600 spaces and presumably youth centers as

01:10:45.180 well uh some other causes of crime not

01:10:49.020 mentioned here uh but i thought i'd

01:10:51.120 include them are fatherlessness uh

01:10:53.800 differences in cultural behavior and a

01:10:57.180 lack of deterrent i would suggest uh were

01:11:01.240 real things that might it's funny how

01:11:04.000 this narrative about it's crime is

01:11:06.720 caused by poverty or lack of mental

01:11:08.840 health care or lack of youth centers

01:11:11.500 when we go back and look at a you know

01:11:14.100 example of say i don't know the great

01:11:15.400 depression massive spike in poverty no

01:11:19.120 availability of mental health um no

01:11:22.800 provision of you know whatever else um

01:11:25.180 and yet the crime levels basically remain

01:11:27.560 static it's almost as if crime is a

01:11:30.240 function of the people who are in an

01:11:32.440 environment rather than things like

01:11:34.580 crime sorry things like poverty because

01:11:37.400 when you when you move those factors

01:11:38.760 when you make a certain um ethnic

01:11:40.920 community more or less prosperous it

01:11:43.100 seems to have very little effect on

01:11:44.680 crime levels that it seems more innate

01:11:46.560 than that yeah absolutely like the amount

01:11:48.960 of money you've got in your bank account

01:11:50.680 if it drops below a certain amount you

01:11:53.380 immediately start doing crime yes if it

01:11:55.560 goes above a certain threshold you stop

01:11:57.440 doing crime yeah doesn't people don't the

01:12:00.280 world reality uh it doesn't yeah that

01:12:04.800 argument that that whole argument that

01:12:06.840 you always get from lefties and in an

01:12:08.640 interest so i mean certain different

01:12:11.640 different groups communities tend to have

01:12:14.600 the same crime levels irrespective of

01:12:16.920 whether they're a multi-millionaire um nba

01:12:20.880 player or in the hood you know the crime

01:12:25.420 the the individual uh propensity to crime

01:12:28.620 seems to carry you know even there's a lot

01:12:30.800 fewer of the very rich they still commit

01:12:33.300 crime at an elevated rate so it's you know

01:12:36.200 maybe it's not youth centers

01:12:38.280 poverty well i tell you what uh if he becomes

01:12:43.080 mayor and he implements his plans will will

01:12:46.680 reassess the crime rates and we'll see how

01:12:48.500 yes maybe his approach will work yes i

01:12:50.500 don't want to prejudge well we'll come

01:12:51.880 back to this if he wins uh obviously as

01:12:54.980 you can see here a lot of americans

01:12:57.260 uh celebrating his victory in the

01:13:00.340 building that they built in the building

01:13:01.740 that they built their ancestors built yes

01:13:03.880 are we going to mention the physiognomy

01:13:06.280 you can mention we have something to say

01:13:09.260 about the physiognomy which lord of the

01:13:11.620 really lies does it that starving marvel

01:13:15.380 you're going to draw the comparison to

01:13:16.740 perhaps we should shouldn't go into any

01:13:22.940 detail but i mean come on come on yeah

01:13:26.740 yes please so uh but obviously he's not

01:13:31.260 mayor yet he's not mayor yet he does have

01:13:34.460 the endorsement of the uh affiliated democratic

01:13:39.040 branch so he will get their support their funding

01:13:41.920 for his campaign going forward

01:13:43.860 fry's not giving in fry's not giving in he's

01:13:47.880 dogged city fate's endorsement in minneapolis

01:13:51.320 has made national headlines in the absence of a primary

01:13:54.800 here the endorsement provides crucial support for fate

01:13:58.140 but doesn't mean he will automatically beat mayor jacob fry

01:14:01.520 who is running for a third term

01:14:03.420 that kind of experience matters saying the election should be decided by our

01:14:08.380 entire city and not by a handful of delegates fry is pushing forward to

01:14:12.780 november but in an appeal to the state party asking for an expedited review of

01:14:17.180 fate's endorsement fry's campaign claims hundreds of

01:14:20.700 votes were missing or uncounted in mayoral balloting at the convention on

01:14:24.220 saturday because of flaws in a new electronic voting system

01:14:27.540 used by delegates i have never witnessed anything as poorly run mike

01:14:32.880 erlinson a delegate informers so i am not gonna i'm not gonna

01:14:37.080 investigate at all i am simply going to assert that it is the most secure

01:14:41.180 election ever i just know it well that's what the democrat party has

01:14:46.080 been telling us for a long time so i'm i'm inclined to believe you can trust

01:14:50.080 those electronic voting machines you can

01:14:51.940 yes and heard it long enough by now yes and also countries like eritrea

01:14:57.000 somalia sudan uh they would would net people like that as a general rule broadly speaking

01:15:04.940 would never engage in electoral fraud it's not really in their dna to do such things

01:15:11.060 so um you know well so i don't think that no whatever you do i wish i could uh tell you like

01:15:18.660 the breakdown of this vote by women you know race ethnicity all these sorts of things i don't have

01:15:24.640 that data the only thing i'm confused about though is that going on jacob pray's prior statements

01:15:30.320 surely it would be better for the jewish people of minnesota to have a

01:15:35.140 somalian mayor how do you figure that one well i mean that that's sort of where his rhetoric is

01:15:42.920 going isn't it you know he's he he's very subservient to that population i mean it must be because

01:15:47.900 they're better oh i see yeah so you know you make your bed but it's uh it's a tale as old as time

01:15:57.500 isn't it that you know with someone like fry he's you can call for the islamic prayer you can cry

01:16:04.920 uh george floyd's funeral you can yes you can embarrass yourself doing a somalian dance

01:16:13.500 right with a weird microphone and none of it will matter because the somali diaspora is loyal to its

01:16:22.780 own yeah he's in the wrong tribe right as far as they're concerned and that's all that comes down to

01:16:27.520 that's all it comes down to so i'm not going to say that you know the somalians have given uh omar

01:16:35.420 this win because there's there is not enough of them to to fully just hand it to him but i definitely

01:16:43.100 think there are plenty of uh white liberals in minneapolis who were modern happy to be useful

01:16:48.940 idiots and hand this to an even more lunatic socialist i say bring jesse the body back get him out of

01:16:58.860 retirement used to be a navy seal didn't you know well get him to be mayor yeah yeah yeah all right

01:17:06.580 if he knows the territory doesn't he sounds better sounds better uh so yeah but look it comes down to

01:17:13.720 this thing that americans constantly talk about the fact that uh the demographics of europe are not doing

01:17:21.000 so well but i don't see anywhere near enough attention within republican circles talking it

01:17:29.420 started to get a bit more with people like persoviak and uh even um what's his name charlie kirk's been

01:17:37.080 starting to talk about it but it's like it's it's getting late right the hour is getting really late

01:17:43.360 for you america and if you don't acknowledge the fact that with places like new york that are giving

01:17:48.360 you mamdani and with the fact that you've got places like california which are literally being

01:17:52.880 annexed by mexican loyalists and now minnesota becoming a cav out for the somalians that you've

01:17:58.960 just allowed to stream in there for decades now you're going to lose your country going to lose

01:18:06.760 your country and so i've no faith in trump that he's going to sort this now but it's something that's

01:18:11.880 going to have to be top of your priorities in the future

01:18:14.580 all right i'll go now that's the end of the segment we've got to be fair we've got exactly

01:18:21.240 the same shit going on right we do but they're like look at um sadi khan look at the the mayors

01:18:28.440 up and down our country that are muslims yep oh yeah i'm so worried but i but i look that that

01:18:34.100 negates your point no i'm not saying that but um i do get a sense that the british um people are

01:18:40.920 more conscious of it than the american than the wasps yeah generally speaking yeah fair point um

01:18:47.680 feel free to correct me on that and the americans i'm sure you think about it all the time uh but

01:18:52.260 then you are low to see as viewers uh so we've got uh engaged few says what's next require the police

01:18:59.700 to strip off their shorts and beat themselves with whips of not a call that's the last segment

01:19:05.660 oh so it is yes skim to the top all right so we've got there's a nice purple one though okay

01:19:13.040 uh oh yeah for twenty dollars thank you very much uh sad wings raging says keep up the good work lads

01:19:18.300 now go buy a ruddy toolkit oh yeah uh one demerit each of uh your man card for nobody having already

01:19:28.180 got one get daisy to show you uh what one is if necessary i think they actually found one somewhere

01:19:34.720 in a bottom drawer yesterday so but thank you for the money and uh uh hiris sorry my brain's

01:19:43.460 absolute what how do i pronounce it hiris hiris hiris hiris in the ban uh what is it with these people

01:19:50.580 and youth centers uh where did this joke of a meme come from genuinely and what is meant to solve it

01:19:57.860 was just one of the things that all the blm types kept recommending didn't they back in 2020 and it

01:20:02.520 just became such a meme i mean it's older than that it goes back quite a few years where they would say

01:20:07.180 well there's loads and loads of youth crime somewhere it's because they're bored it's because

01:20:12.900 they've got nowhere to go they're hanging around parks and doing violent things on the streets and in

01:20:18.500 parks because they haven't got a youth center to go to if only there were more youth centers

01:20:22.660 where there were pool table access to pool tables and ping pong tables then they there wouldn't be

01:20:27.400 loads of street crime exactly i i remember being bored once in the 80s and i very nearly robbed a

01:20:33.180 co-op you know luckily i found a pool table just in the nick of time right yes well there's literally

01:20:39.640 footage account and footage of accounts of where there is a youth center and all the black boys are

01:20:45.440 fighting stabbing each other inside the youth center running around a pool table to get to each

01:20:50.260 other and stuff it's like oh the youth center thing is a nonsense nonsense argument isn't it

01:20:57.000 right that's why we parody it what does this guy say

01:21:01.040 you can have a bit

01:21:04.100 oh you know he's taking him home

01:21:07.960 hey i'm bold

01:21:10.960 have you been with a black bear before

01:21:14.300 no

01:21:14.740 jerk and i can't

01:21:20.760 jerk and i can't

01:21:21.700 jerk

01:21:22.160 i'm not sure you want to let a crow drink your pint yeah i wouldn't drink from that

01:21:39.060 pint after that yeah i mean that crow has probably been like picking at the inside of a dead squirrel

01:21:43.120 right yeah great video though yeah no interesting yes it's wonderful if you get karl's parrot to

01:21:48.080 smoke a cigarette let's try

01:21:55.440 welcome back carl oh i haven't seen you guys in a while uh since i moved back from france uh that

01:22:00.720 was a nightmare here uh back in america now you know started working at a game store or for my

01:22:07.920 one of our good friends sadly enough uh some financial problems have hit him and he has to

01:22:12.560 now sell the store and it's going to change and we need you guys as help um i put a give send go in

01:22:20.480 the description please help us out okay you might check that out if you want to help out help that

01:22:27.120 fellow out if you can

01:22:30.640 there's something i feel that everyone knows but i haven't seen articulated anywhere in that epstein was

01:22:34.720 really trump's primary mandate because what epstein revealed is that the hypothetically

01:22:38.400 representative democracies have been so subverted that they now have integral to it a plurality of

01:22:43.040 sex cult blackmailing rings so that the elected representatives may be forcefully synchronized to

01:22:47.200 the will of a centralized power trump was to be a complete wrecking ball sent by a disillusioned

01:22:51.440 electorate the maximum amount of force they could exert against an unfaithful state so in seeing

01:22:55.440 him break in this issue the only conclusion we can reasonably draw is that the legitimacy and

01:22:59.120 the normalcy of democracy may no longer be restored via normal means which is to say this

01:23:03.680 issue is dropped at great peril yep yeah entirely agree take if you um good take he's right you

01:23:13.520 know the the the key mandate more than any singular policy was just about putting trust

01:23:19.840 back in the american government being able to trust your government again

01:23:23.600 i think i'm sorry sorry no and they've entirely violated that trust i think i find so

01:23:29.520 what's the word interesting about it is that how overtly and explicitly he would talk about epstein

01:23:38.880 in in uh in the run-up to his elections yes because you would think if he was there to

01:23:45.520 ultimately uh stonewall us wouldn't you out of everything else just not really talk about that much

01:23:54.400 as a campaign promise but there's loads of other things he can and did talk about right loads of

01:23:58.960 other things you could even just talk about the swamp in the most general terms but he would explicitly

01:24:04.160 talk about that like epstein so it's weird it's weird beyond the the um mlk stuff or the uh

01:24:16.960 um kennedy stuff right or 9 11 they talked about 9 11 didn't they the epstein files were the biggest

01:24:23.920 one that's the one that people wanted more than anything because that's the one that you know

01:24:28.960 aside still relevant yeah it's still relevant people can still be brought to justice over that it's not

01:24:34.080 like the kennedy thing where everyone's dead now right well the fundamental question is who governs us

01:24:39.920 and the epstein affair is kind of telling you that they just don't want to go there his handlers

01:24:46.800 yeah epstein's handlers whoever they were yeah superiors they they what that they can exert enough

01:24:55.600 pressure on trump yeah to get him to 180 i mean in a really obvious ham fist to trade his own base yeah

01:25:05.440 that is like this is not going to go away i mean we we will be talking about this a whole bunch more

01:25:11.920 i'm sure yeah i'll never let it go personally like jfk it's one of those things i'll never ever let go

01:25:17.280 i might not talk about it every day i'll tweet about it every day in fact obviously i won't but

01:25:20.640 i'll never let it go yeah never yeah why should i yeah quite uh all right i'll go through some comments

01:25:29.520 for your segment i've got so so for this saying yeah reminds me of uh when this massive migrant

01:25:35.360 caravan came from germany and walked through denmark to get to sweden sweden was very mad at us for not

01:25:41.360 stopping them but why would we if we push them back to germany some human rights lawyer would um give a

01:25:47.600 shit if we did nothing the problem would solve itself at least for us it's sweden's problem now well

01:25:54.240 yeah but obviously this also comes down to when you stephen wolf covered this a few weeks ago how

01:25:59.440 they're all just playing hot potato with the migrants now this legendary alliance this european community

01:26:06.880 actually when push comes to shove you find that actually schengen was all bollocks yes and um just

01:26:12.960 one of those sacred pillars was not so sacred in the end and aren't the danes and the swedes not brothers

01:26:19.120 cousins at least we're brothers cousins at least with the french quite quick to start i don't know

01:26:26.880 i know right northwest europeans right right our dna is very very similar

01:26:34.560 uh so just stabbing each other in the back for some sort of short-term gain yep disappointing isn't it

01:26:41.920 uh michael dribel was says be fair who really wants to go to france there's some decent castles in

01:26:50.560 france yeah i'd like to see more of them i'd like to see more of them it's about it no uh and there's

01:26:57.760 some lovely places the jordois and the loire picardy itself normandy itself absolutely beautiful

01:27:02.800 and uh someone online says uh captain carl and his faithful parrot uh can sail the channel to

01:27:11.680 protect you yes that's what we need uh do you want to read some from yours dan or shall i read

01:27:19.680 yes right so um theodore brewer says the police are enforcers of the current paradigm and unfortunately

01:27:27.120 the current order is international communism i hope that england controls those who wish to kill it

01:27:32.560 yes that would be good wouldn't it um jack duckett points out that black history training is already

01:27:38.160 taking place in westminster police initial training before new recruits even hit the streets he can

01:27:43.760 confirm that um and sophie live says what makes this insidious is unlike america every single black

01:27:50.320 person in england chose to go there or furthest their grandparents did there's no history of slavery

01:27:55.840 or shipping blacks are against their will they're there by choice um yeah and i suppose i suppose when it's

01:28:01.760 here the argument is oh yes but you did a bit of colonialism in the past but then they really

01:28:06.800 struggle when it comes to ireland and scandinavia and i can't even remember what the excuse there is

01:28:11.680 yeah they make up something else yeah there's always an excuse yeah oh no the excuse with the

01:28:16.320 excuse with ireland is that they emigrated themselves at some point and therefore it's a

01:28:22.480 i can't remember what it is for scandinavia and also you know when you get accusations it's like

01:28:27.600 institutional racism it's like we'll take for you know the metropolitan police for example oh what

01:28:33.280 so back in the 1840s they were designing it thinking how we can can we persecute and make

01:28:39.920 things harder for all the other races who don't live in england yeah because everyone's english when

01:28:45.360 if they were doing it back then it would have been how can we discriminate against irish and jews

01:28:49.520 yeah and the two chinese people at the port probably yeah uh and then from my segment um

01:28:58.080 uh jordy sauceman says stop it darling only only cringe commander the stelios is allowed to unleash

01:29:05.040 cringe like that well you can welcome him back tomorrow and he'll hopefully bring the title cringe

01:29:10.880 commander that that sounds right cringe commander yeah it does have a yes interesting ring to it that's

01:29:17.280 sasha johnson in indoctrinating her children it's like oh my god oh yeah it is they're gonna have

01:29:22.560 a conflict growing up aren't they oh what happened to mummy oh yeah she she was a she was an anti-white

01:29:26.960 crusader and she got shot in the head by black people he's like yeah how do you square that now

01:29:32.720 as you're going up as a kid yeah they're screwed up they will be screwed up won't they on some level

01:29:37.600 i mean i don't know if if the father of those children or fathers of those children i really don't

01:29:42.320 know i don't know if they're still in the picture who can say no idea yeah no idea uh northboard i

01:29:48.960 would wager a hundred bucks he will get uh done in for corruption within six months because he won't

01:29:55.040 be able to help himself well there'll be allegations of corruption whether anything actually happens as

01:30:01.280 a result i don't know yeah i'm uh i'm not so convinced i'm not so convinced um and then someone

01:30:07.760 online says i can't get over how he literally looks like a racist cartoon from the 1860s

01:30:14.320 well a little bit uh and then honorable mentions uh sophia says so dan visa and debit cards couldn't

01:30:22.160 be used in north europe uh countries for uh two hours last saturday evening any thoughts among

01:30:30.560 countries hit with denmark norweg germany and greece for two hours none of us could use cards

01:30:35.120 is interesting i didn't know that i'm going to look into that yeah okay and then lord inquisitor

01:30:40.960 hector x says luca you need to cover a city that split off from the baton rouge louisiana the city

01:30:48.480 wouldn't let them form their own school district for kids to have a proper education so they said

01:30:55.040 effort and decided to form their own city uh you can guess who decided to leave and who is now upset

01:31:00.880 well thank you rex i'll i'll look into that i will well that's all we've got time for today

01:31:06.080 ladies and gentlemen thank you for joining me both and uh you can catch us at 1pm tomorrow have a good day

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Sentence Count

Misogynist Sentences

Hate Speech Sentences

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