In Episode 1214 of The Load Seaters, Lestelios is joined by Charlie Downs to talk about the police escorting anti-racist protesters to the Britannia Hotel in Epping, Essex, and why Kemi Badenoch is probably just finishing his summer break.
00:00:23.480We're going to be talking to you today about the Britannia Hotel in London being colonized, the latest in the long line of hotels, to get such a treatment.
00:00:33.760We're then going to talk about the Mehdi Hassan versus the Pine Sap incident, right?
00:00:40.840And then we're going to be talking about why Kemi Badenoch is probably just finished at this point.
00:00:47.580I want to say something to everyone here.
00:00:50.180First of all, no one likes coming back from summer holidays, but the very fact that I'm here with you two, esteemed gentlemen, in this office and talking to you actually makes things better.
00:01:07.000Right, let's begin by talking about the Britannia Hotel.
00:01:10.580Okay. So, obviously, as I've covered in two segments in the past week now, everything that was going on in Epping and with the Bell Hotel over there in Essex and the genuinely remarkable protests that we were seeing outside that hotel, not just in terms of numbers, but in terms of conduct.
00:01:31.980And the way that all these locals have come out in a really, really sophisticated way that the whole community should be really proud of.
00:01:39.580And so I'd just like to start by talking a little bit, rounding that story out.
00:01:44.880Obviously, one of the main things was that the police, the local Essex police first denied that they were helping to traffic anti-protesters, anti-racist protesters to the hotel.
00:01:59.160Well, it's a little harder to deny once you're caught on camera doing it.
00:02:51.560It is an interesting interpretation of freedom of assembly, I'll give them that.
00:02:54.020Well, this goes on to say in this article that the police have admitted escorting pro-migrant protesters to the hotel that we were just talking about.
00:03:03.640And they said, however, the force backtracked after being shown footage of the protesters being escorted.
00:03:10.080We have a reasonable duty to protect people who want to exercise their rights.
00:03:15.180In terms of bringing people to the hotel, the police have a duty to, as you say, Charlie, facilitate free assembly.
00:03:21.960We would only ever take people away from protest if we felt there was an immediate threat to people or property to free up police resources, to protect others, or to prevent additional violence.
00:04:55.780Because, like, I try and not be too sort of conspiratorial-brained, right?
00:04:59.820Because, I mean, I think that conspiracies do obviously happen.
00:05:02.440In fact, that's probably the majority of politics.
00:05:04.300But at the same time, the idea that, like, the government is seeking to actually foment civil unrest and conflict, you know, I find that, well, it becomes less and less hard to believe with every passing day.
00:05:15.560But, like, do we, you know, to what end would they be kind of seeking to cause that kind of thing to happen?
00:05:24.440Maybe they want an excuse to crack down hard on the so-called far right.
00:05:29.120But this kind of thing that happens, you know, when you see that the police literally bussing in counter-protesters with their professionally produced placards and masks as well.
00:05:57.080And, you know, they have infiltrated within the police force.
00:06:01.860And they say, okay, right, they are our guys and we are going to transport them to the nearest demonstration.
00:06:08.160But it just shows you there's a larger point here, which I think isn't made enough.
00:06:11.700Which is that there was a time where it was an article of faith as a conservative-minded person or a right-winger or in the States a Republican to be pro-police.
00:06:20.120And to back the police kind of almost to the hilt because, you know, they're protecting the public.
00:06:24.900It increasingly looks like they're basically agents of a hostile state that exists to, you know, oppress the indigenous people.
00:06:31.840We covered this on the podcast yesterday.
00:06:33.900Dan did a segment talking all about the police finding themselves to be racist.
00:06:37.880But just the fact that the English population was really the main population, main community of England, that actually allowed itself to be policed with consent.
00:07:05.860So with everything that has been happening in Epping recently and the great victories that the people were having there, you then started having rumors swirling about online that a lot of these illegals in the Epping Hotel were being moved over to the Britannia Hotel.
00:07:26.900Now, I just want to say I've not found any personal conclusive proof as to that being the case.
00:07:33.920But what we do know is that there are illegals in the Britannia Hotel at Canary Wharf.
00:07:41.640I don't know whether or not they're the same ones.
00:08:20.680Well, maybe in a three-star hotel, but we're dealing with a big league here.
00:08:24.720So one of the other interesting things about this as well is that I went to just try and book some rooms out on this to see, you know, July, August.
00:09:07.960So holidaygoers having their bookings terminated for the purposes, of course, of moving more and more war-breaking sea people into the United Kingdom and housing them at our expense.
00:09:27.820It's interesting that, you know, Canary Wharf is like, obviously there is a residential area, but it's primarily offices and business, etc.
00:09:33.960But it's interesting that somewhere like that, which is...
00:09:37.560I mean, it's not exactly going to be...
00:09:40.960I can't help but think that the kind of people that would live in an area like that are not going to be the kind of people that would go out and protest this kind of thing.
00:10:14.940Well, to be honest with you, Charlie, that was one of the things that I had originally led me to believe the speculation that these people had been moved from Epping to here.
00:10:24.640Because I thought as well, well, probably the most sensible place to move them to, London.
00:10:29.680I mean, who's going to complain about just another broken neighbourhood in London?
00:10:52.840So obviously, we'll have no support from the local MP, ladies and gentlemen, because it's a Spana Begum, independent MP for Poplar and Limehouse, which includes Canary Wharf.
00:11:12.180So then Chris Rose brought up this, the fact that people are getting WhatsApp messages through, saying that they wanted to let them know that there are recent developments regarding the relocation of asylum seekers and refugees to a nearby hotel.
00:11:26.620Well, we understand that some of you may be feeling concerned, especially following the protests in Epping.
00:12:31.620I just think it's really, really important for people to understand that there are no safe and legal routes for refugees to come to this country.
00:12:39.620This is the only way they can come here.
00:13:04.940Well, towards the end, there's a chap who gets quite liberal with his See You Next Tuesdays.
00:13:10.420And don't get me wrong, it was a tremendous film.
00:13:13.960You love to see it, but obviously for the sake of YouTube, I can't be playing that.
00:13:18.040Honestly, though, I mean, I knew so many of these types, like when I was at uni, for example.
00:13:22.640I went to a very liberal university, so these types were ten a penny.
00:13:25.660And it's just, it always fascinates me, and I make this point often, it seems like, you know, to myself.
00:13:30.900But, you know, people like this young lady, I'm sure she's perfectly nice.
00:13:34.960Like, I don't have anything against her personally.
00:13:36.680But she clearly thinks of herself as being some kind of representative or agent for the dispossessed, the downtrodden, you know, fighting the power, et cetera.
00:13:44.680When the reality of the matter is she is a foot soldier of the power structure.
00:13:48.600She is, you know, acting as an agent of the establishment.
00:15:06.620Or just, like, just recognise that you're not evil for wanting to live in a safe country.
00:15:10.760You're not evil to recognise the reality of the fact that this country simply doesn't have the capacity for more migrants, legal or illegal.
00:15:17.140Like, or asylum seekers or anything like that.
00:16:54.640So, tensions flared in Canary Wharf on Tuesday night as hundreds gathered to protest the reports used of the Britannia International Hotel to house asylum seekers.
00:17:05.600And the demonstration marked the latest in a series of anti-migrant rallies across the UK.
00:17:11.180Obviously, it goes on to talk about hot off the heels of Epping.
00:17:14.040And I also found this particular part interesting.
00:17:19.880Opposite the hotel, a swarm of live streamers and independent media reporting on events.
00:17:24.880They surrounded a 17-year-old activist called Young Bob, Bob, who won applause after calling for deportations and demanding hotel owners stopped leasing their properties to the government.
00:17:37.840He accused Reform UK of breaking its local election pledge to prevent migrants from being housed in areas where they were not wanted, arguing that constituencies should have the ability to remove migrants.
00:18:12.620The local MP caved and, you know, forced the illegals that were there to relocate.
00:18:17.240And the message that that sends is that actually the only, and I want to be careful how I say this, but the only language that the state recognizes is the threat of force.
00:18:30.060But the threat of force, clearly, is all that this government recognizes.
00:18:33.820And that goes in the case of the English community, but it also goes in the case of the Muslim community and the various others who have come to occupy our island.
00:18:41.640And so it's interesting how quickly that has manifested itself with this protest outside of the Canary Wharf Hotel.
00:18:49.480Because it's clear that people are realizing, actually, we can actually do something about this.
00:18:52.660People have the feeling of agency that they felt they've lacked for such a long time.
00:18:56.880And the way they do it is not on the ballot box.
00:19:21.080But the issue with the ballot box is that if it's once every four or five years about an overall agenda, and then for four or five years it's complete lack of participation, then, yes, the governments are going to feel considerably less pressured to deliver on their promises.
00:21:37.180Yeah, well, this was a policy that we came out with this morning, Restore Britain being us, that basically lays out the case for, you know, it would be cheaper, safer, and more efficient to house these people on a bit of land with tents and a kind of, you know, minimum humanitarian standards.
00:21:56.240So we're not talking about letting people live in squalor, but what we are talking about is minimal food, minimal clothing, as little as is moral to give.
00:22:04.380And it just, you know, it would prevent these incidents where these, you know, unvetted thug foreign men who are put up in local communities sexually assault and rape young women who live in those areas.
00:22:16.420Yeah, that wouldn't be a risk or robbery or working illegally, whether that be actually committing crimes or as a food delivery driver.
00:22:25.380And, of course, this is a stepping stone.
00:22:28.140Like, it's not the ultimate solution to the problem, but it would at least mitigate some of the risks that are, well, running riot right now.
00:22:37.320And also, you know, it's just that thing, isn't it?
00:22:39.540Like, well, good God, if you're housing them in a four-star hotel in the middle of London with rooms like that, how quick is that going to be on TikToks?
00:22:48.100And how quick is that going to incentivize even more to come across?
00:22:51.520Yeah, whereas, you know, the tent plan has the opposite effect.
00:22:57.040So, in that case, why even leave France?
00:22:59.900So, if you want to do something constructive and helpful, I very much suggest going and joining Restore Britain, which Charlie is very much a part of.
00:23:59.420That's just like service guarantees citizenship, I guess.
00:24:01.600Hapsification says, if these sea people are becoming even more prevalent, are we seeing the signs of our very own late Bronze Age collapse?
00:24:11.000No, I don't think that we're collapsing.
00:24:13.240I think that we're being held hostage.
00:24:14.660I think that there's an enormous amount of patriotic energy.
00:24:18.680Don't let anyone tell you that it's over.
00:25:13.120As a result of his appearance and participation in this.
00:25:16.800So I will say that I dislike cancel culture.
00:25:21.240And I think that generally speaking, it's a bad thing.
00:25:25.080But I think if we abstract from the particular case, because it's not enough to talk about someone if you just see them talking about two or three minutes.
00:25:36.760We can make all sorts of value judgments.
00:25:39.300We will talk about it during the segment.
00:25:43.300But I think that the most important thing that I want to talk about in this is ways of debating that are good, ways of debating that are bad, and ways of debating that are entirely self-serving, as opposed to helping getting some good points across.
00:26:00.520And also, not allowing people like Mehdi Hassan look like the defender of Western civilization.
00:26:08.360Yeah, because if you look at it, and in some people's minds, they're a minority, but in their minds, just being completely...
00:26:20.360Just reacting by saying any accusation the left is directing towards me, I'll accept, and I will market myself as a caricature of what the left has constantly being bombarding everyone that people on the right are, or non-leftists are, this isn't helping.
00:26:51.060I saw people, you know, it was going around that Mehdi Hassan got destroyed by some of these people, and I watched it, and I was like, he didn't.
00:26:57.120You know, he made a lot of those people look pretty foolish.
00:26:59.320Yeah, so we'll show you clips, but I want to start by saying that I really dislike this Jubilee setup.
00:27:05.820I'll start playing this here without a sound, because I think that there is something particularly problematic about this.
00:27:15.080So, you know, you have someone like Mehdi Hassan, in other cases was Ben Shapiro, in other cases was Jordan Peterson, and they are debating a multitude of people, and they don't have enough time.
00:27:27.960In some cases, they have five minutes, in other cases, they have 20 minutes I see there, but generally speaking, I think that these kinds of conversations need more time, and podcasts are uniquely good for this, and I think we are doing a good job about this, because when you want to have paradigm shift in conversations, no, it's actually, it's objectively true.
00:27:50.920This is not conducive to actual, like, progress.
00:27:53.820So, you see, it's, he makes a claim, and people are going to just run, you know, as if they're in Hunger Games or something, to get a seat, and then they're going to have a limited amount of time.
00:28:16.100But that's not the kind of setup you want for serious conversations, especially when there are conversations that are challenging paradigms.
00:28:43.480So, I think that, basically, this kind of setup is uniquely tailored in order to make clips and clicks and impressions on X and other platforms.
00:30:29.580And the same applies for political conversations.
00:30:31.420So, what I'm going to say about this debate between Mehdi Hassan and Pinesat, I've already said on Symposium 28, on the linguistic subversion of wokeness, where we are talking with Beau and Josh about conceptual psyops and some traps that the left has set within discourse.
00:30:51.420A sort of push to lure people who are not leftists and to identify in the exact same ways that the left wants them to identify so they can put up a fuss and say,
00:31:05.760hey, look, all these people are like that and some people definitely fall into this trap in whether because they're idiots or because they're naive, but not idiotic necessarily.
00:31:17.420I'm trying to put it diplomatically or because they do it because it gets clicks and it's self-serving, self-serving, while ultimately helping the left by presenting it as the actual defender of Western civilization.
00:31:34.040So, I want us to look at some two clips from it.
00:31:37.920This is someone called Antunes who said, we should all carry ourselves like this, unapologetic, disruptive, smart, vision, and absolute political masterclass.
00:34:30.700So what no one has said about this is that Mehdi Hassan admitted that being a Nazi is not the same as being far-right, where he said you're a little more than a far-right Republican.
00:34:54.200Honestly, that framing though, framing it as a political masterclass is absolutely nonsense.
00:34:58.540Because if you showed that to any kind of, I mean, sure, they're in America, but in Britain, if you were to show that to any normal person, they would take the side of Mehdi Hassan.
00:35:05.840Because they'd think the other guy looked like him.
00:35:09.560And that's what I want to say is that there is a tendency for people to say, I'm going to express myself in ways that are the exact way that the left is presenting me.
00:35:23.100Because I want to show them that I don't care.
00:36:12.360So when they do this and they recreate the sort of mentality of the prison courtyard convict who exposes the neck, saying, hey, I'm not afraid of you.
00:36:28.300That's not the way you're doing a debate.
00:36:30.320What it ultimately ends up being is saying this guy goes out and shows to millions of people who have watched this is I am exactly what the left is constantly bombarding us that non-leftists, non-Maoists are.
00:36:47.680And Mehdi Hassan comes off as the sensible one here.
00:36:50.540Yeah. And do you know what else? The chap in the blue, Pinesap, is that his name?
00:38:17.020That's what I wanted to say also, because that was a point that he didn't raise up, is that when we're talking about political philosophers, most of them are very abstract.
00:54:18.260Well, I mean, there's so many funny anecdotes about her sort of personal habits, which we will get to.
00:54:22.260But for a brief time after her ascension to the throne, the Tories did start, they had a mild uptick in their polling.
00:54:28.740And many in the party were saying that, you know, we're back, we've changed, you know, we're not the Conservative Party of before.
00:54:34.420But obviously, most people saw through that, you know, in part due to the fact that it was quite publicly the case that Michael Gove, one of the architects of the, you know, the 14 years, was essentially backing her and was running her.
00:54:48.220And it was at this point that she decided to accuse reform of faking their membership numbers.