The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1218

00:00:00.420 Hello and welcome to the podcast of Lotus Eaters episode 1219. I'm back, I'm your host Harry,

00:00:08.820 joined by Beau and Nate, Mr. H Reviews, and today we're going to be discussing the R-N-L-I,

00:00:16.680 potentially, allegedly, some are saying, some are suggesting they're people traffickers,

00:00:22.480 allegedly, maybe, probably, maybe not, maybe, the deaths of Hulk Hogan and Ozzy Osbourne,

00:00:28.780 and after the fall of the UK, you're going to be giving us a hypothetical exploration of hypothetically

00:00:36.920 what might be happening after the fall of the UK. Also, reminder to everybody that we have Common

00:00:42.540 Sense Crusade with Calvin Robinson tomorrow afternoon after the podcast, and also, I'm playing

00:00:49.320 a gig in a band, playing music in London on the 30th of August. Yes, the 30th of August

00:00:59.460 is a Saturday. It's for the WSI. The gig is called Standing Strength. You can search that on Google

00:01:07.160 and buy a ticket for it. Come down. Again, it's in London. It should be at the Water Rats,

00:01:12.460 and I think if you use a code LOTUSPASS, capital L, capital P, you can get £5 off the ticket.

00:01:19.840 I will not be playing original music. I will be singing a total of one of the many songs that

00:01:24.580 we will be performing, so if you would like to come down and see that, please do. Let's get into

00:01:29.700 the news. I'll just let them know, what's the charity for? Oh, the charity proceeds for the gig will

00:01:37.800 be going to subsidise costs of therapy sessions for sexual assault and grooming victims. Oh,

00:01:44.320 that's good. Yeah. Amazing. There you go. So, please come down. I'd like to see a big full house,

00:01:49.880 because this is the first time I'll have been playing music live on stage in slightly over

00:01:54.140 three years, so I'm really looking forward to it. Nice. Cool. All right. Let's talk a little bit

00:02:01.380 about the Royal National Lifeboat Institution, the RNLI. People that are not British might not

00:02:08.260 have heard of it. I know we've got a massive American audience and place people all around

00:02:12.680 the world, so they may not have ever heard of that, but it used to be a great institution. I mean,

00:02:18.560 it's a couple of hundred years old. On the face of it, on paper, a great thing, right, to try and save

00:02:25.620 people that are lost at sea. I think there was a big storm. Ships used to get lost at sea all the

00:02:31.440 time in the pre-modern age, like the 18th, 19th century. There was one particular really bad one

00:02:35.900 where loads and loads of people drowned, and they thought, if we had just a couple of boats there

00:02:40.860 at that time, we could have saved loads of people. So, it grew out of that. And until fairly recently,

00:02:46.160 until we started being invaded by small boats across the Channel, I had no problem. No one had any

00:02:52.100 problem with it. So, it would be a great thing. But, in recent times, or since the boat invasion

00:02:58.500 has happened, people have began to have some concerns about their role in it all. And so,

00:03:08.260 let's just talk about that a bit. I mean, recently, they put out a tweet, just sort of doubling down

00:03:15.060 on what they're doing. And they sort of very disingenuously saying, we're just saving lives

00:03:20.900 at sea, bro. We don't need the volume of people screeching. So, where the small boats often are

00:03:32.520 sort of too packed, and they capsize, particularly in bad weather, I mean, the Channel is freezing.

00:03:38.660 I mean, all the sea, unless you're in, like, the Bahamas or something, will be freezing. You

00:03:42.660 haven't got long in the water. So, one, my take, one take is, I don't actually want people

00:03:50.880 to die at sea. So, if they have actually capsized in bad weather, yeah, save them. But then,

00:03:59.900 you know, they should be detained and sent back, not just put into general population.

00:04:07.440 So, okay, that's one of the things the RNLI are saying, we just save lives. Well,

00:04:11.420 that's a bit disingenuous, because they're doing more than that. I mean, Nigel Farage and others

00:04:19.580 have noticed that they just seem to be ferrying people. Of course, we see images like this all

00:04:25.260 the time, where they just seem to be acting as some sort of taxi or ferry service. So, on days when the

00:04:34.800 sea is fine and the boats haven't capsized or anything, they go out into the Channel and basically

00:04:39.360 escort them onto our shores, where, of course, eventually, they're put in a hotel somewhere

00:04:45.740 near you. And who knows who they are? I mean, they're nearly always men.

00:04:49.860 Sorry? Or near your daughter's school. Right. That's a frequent one. And they're nearly always

00:04:54.860 just young, fighting-age men. Oh, look, two thumbs up from that guy.

00:05:00.560 Invaders. Just straight-up invaders that shouldn't be here. They don't look very wet,

00:05:04.800 do they? And so, I thought it was a bit cheap, really, for the RNLI to pick a particular clip

00:05:11.740 where they're literally saving lives, which again, I haven't got any problem with. I'm not

00:05:15.300 an actual monster. So, but they're saying, they were sort of saying, this is what we do.

00:05:19.520 We're just saving lives. Doing more than that, though. You're facilitating an invasion, a

00:05:26.900 wave of God knows who, sex criminals.

00:05:30.160 You're aiding people traffickers.

00:05:32.320 Or worse. Yeah. So, you're doing the job of the people traffickers to some degree. To some

00:05:37.460 degree. I mean, the comments under their tweet is, you know, you get one or two saying,

00:05:42.160 you know, you're doing a great job. I can't imagine most of them were very positive.

00:05:47.180 We see this every day. It is, well, quite literally every day, apart from perhaps on

00:05:52.040 the worst days in winter when the channel is too choppy for the invaders.

00:06:02.180 Yeah. It's just every day.

00:06:05.300 It's a shame, really. I grew up on the coast, the southwest coast. And the RNLI, if you grow

00:06:11.440 up on the coast, like it's a really big thing, you know, it's a really big thing because

00:06:15.160 you see them, you support them, you know, they could very well, the likelihood is that

00:06:21.340 they could be called to save your life one day. Especially due to the currents where I

00:06:26.680 grew up specifically. It's such a shame that the institution itself, because that's what

00:06:33.460 it is, right? Like it's not, it's not the crew members themselves because they're all

00:06:36.460 volunteers, like it's sort of a charitable venture. The institution itself has effectively

00:06:41.180 just been co-opted by people traffickers, the government.

00:06:47.460 Well, yeah, because I imagine...

00:06:49.460 Who objectively are people traffickers. We know that because they did.

00:06:53.560 I imagine the rules that are in place are just completely neutral. If anybody on the coast

00:07:01.220 in the water capsizes, you have to do it. You can't prejudice one way or the other, depending

00:07:08.020 on who they are or why they're out there. You just go out and you save them. And like

00:07:11.780 you say, it's the people traffickers who are taking advantage of that neutrality.

00:07:16.020 Well, I'm talking about the government.

00:07:17.340 And the government as well.

00:07:18.400 I'm aware they released another statement to say, we're just doing what the government

00:07:22.300 has told us to do as well. And it's like, right, but that's actually not good enough.

00:07:25.360 It's just following orders.

00:07:26.560 Because the government are actual people traffickers.

00:07:28.180 Yeah.

00:07:28.400 So yeah, you could say you're not a people trafficker, but you're following the orders of people

00:07:31.900 traffickers. The government are objectively people traffickers. We know that demonstrably.

00:07:36.480 They told us that they've done that. They put a super injunction out on that. And this

00:07:39.620 is not good enough. And the thing is, like what you highlighted specifically is the disparity

00:07:45.200 between what they put out as their tweet saying, look, bro, we're just, we're just saving people,

00:07:50.280 bro. It's like, but you're not because they're not wet. We know that because there's wet patches

00:07:58.140 on his legs where he's walking now. He's not wet. So at what point are you just doing,

00:08:04.220 are you just aiding and abetting people traffickers? Like what are you doing?

00:08:08.780 Yeah. They'll go into the middle of the channel and pick them up.

00:08:12.940 Right.

00:08:15.460 What on the threat that they might capsize?

00:08:17.260 I guess so. Yeah.

00:08:18.020 I mean, if there's not capsized yet, why, why isn't some different authority just going

00:08:24.840 over to them and saying, turn around.

00:08:26.420 Border force.

00:08:26.980 Yeah.

00:08:27.260 Yeah.

00:08:28.080 Why aren't they just saying, turn around?

00:08:31.040 Well, if it was up to me in Bowes Britain, it would be that the whole channel, in fact,

00:08:37.880 probably most of the South Coast, because they don't all land at Dover. It's all down

00:08:41.720 the South Coast. I would make that a theater of operations for the Royal Navy alone, not

00:08:46.560 border force, not the Coast Guard, certainly not the RNLI. It's for the Royal Navy to police

00:08:52.300 those waters. That's what I would do. I would just take them out of the equation because I

00:08:56.020 think both the points you've made are true. One, the ordinary person that works for the

00:09:03.440 RNLI, a volunteer, has probably got just good intentions. They just want to try and

00:09:09.520 save people. And it is also true that it's sort of their mandate to, yeah, not care who

00:09:15.760 it is. There's someone struggling at sea who may well drown and we go out to save them.

00:09:20.540 That's our mandate. But then, so that's true. But then it's also true that, isn't it, that

00:09:25.540 they're taking their orders, they're just following orders from a traitorous government

00:09:30.840 who seems hell-bent on flooding us with unvetted fighting age foreign men. So both those things

00:09:37.120 are true, right? And on top of that, it's also true that that's not good enough, is it? That's

00:09:43.180 not good enough. I don't want the RNLI to be doing that.

00:09:45.440 Yeah. Also, it's all well and good saying, well, it's only, what was it, like 1.2% of

00:09:50.020 their launches that they said. So, okay, well, what percentage of people are you saving from

00:09:56.800 that launch? You know, like per capita? Let's pull that one out of here. Versus other people

00:10:03.940 that deserve it and need it, you know? Are the launches, because, is the 1.2% of those launches

00:10:09.840 fundamentally only because they've run into issue? Or is it all of this stuff, where they're just

00:10:16.260 having a jolly being picked up? Because if it's this, that's 1.2% too high. Like, obviously.

00:10:22.640 Yeah.

00:10:23.040 So, yeah, no, let's get into the granular detail of what that percentage actually entails.

00:10:28.120 Yeah.

00:10:28.420 But they won't release that.

00:10:29.520 No.

00:10:29.800 Obviously, it's this.

00:10:31.360 Right. Yeah. We all know. Right? And again, it's making that, I would, I'm being kind by

00:10:36.820 calling it disingenuous. Say that we're just saving people, we're pulling people out of

00:10:41.620 the water who were going to imminently drown. It's like, yeah, okay. But that's not the whole

00:10:48.820 story, is it? That's not all you're doing. And some people have said about the money, because

00:10:54.780 the RNLI is funded, I think, largely, if not entirely, by just donations.

00:10:59.260 It's charitable, don't you?

00:11:00.660 Right.

00:11:01.200 Yeah.

00:11:02.120 And so a lot of people have said, oh, your donations must be falling off a cliff. But then

00:11:07.200 I saw them tweet, no, actually, at least in 2023 or 2024, we got 10 million more than

00:11:13.100 usual, or something like that. You see adverts on TV for them, don't they? You see? In your

00:11:18.020 will, I think it's largely older people. In your will, leave loads of money to the RNLI or

00:11:22.460 donate to the RNLI.

00:11:23.420 I'd like to see whether any public funds have been funneled to them via the government,

00:11:30.700 to be fair. The government's advising them to do this, which they freely admitted. I

00:11:35.580 wonder whether there's public funds that have been funneled that way. I don't know if there's

00:11:40.600 a way for us to find that out. I'd put money on it, but that's highly likely.

00:11:47.840 I mean, I would imagine as a charitable source, they would need to be going through the charity

00:11:51.700 commission. And then therefore their actual funds would need to be public.

00:11:56.900 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:11:59.140 And again, like they often do, like they did with, say, COVID, where they try and make the

00:12:03.580 compassionate argument.

00:12:04.340 Sorry, here you go. They say on their frequently asked questions, less than 1% of our funding

00:12:10.840 comes from government sources. But of course, the government can use...

00:12:14.620 They can't funnel through other things.

00:12:16.020 Yeah, they can funnel through NGOs and separate charities that also receive government. So you

00:12:20.900 can have multiple different ways of dispersing the funds and getting them. That's what the

00:12:24.700 governments always do.

00:12:25.640 I just think it's a rotten lie or set of lies to say that if you've got any problem with

00:12:32.260 what the RNLI do nearly every day, certainly in good weather, then you're a monster. You

00:12:38.400 just want people to die at sea. It's like, well, no, come on. Like in COVID, where they

00:12:42.920 tried to make the argument, if you've got any problem with anything that's going on, you

00:12:46.260 just want the old people to die.

00:12:48.300 You want granny to die, don't you?

00:12:49.840 Yeah. Like, why do you want granny to die? Put a mask on.

00:12:53.720 And now the government's rubbing its hands together going, you want granny to die, don't

00:12:57.200 you?

00:12:57.900 Right, yeah.

00:12:59.120 Support the eugenics bill.

00:13:01.020 Or like the thing we did the other day about the online harm bill. It's like, oh, you want

00:13:05.000 small children to be exposed to porn then, do you? It's like, no, it's what...

00:13:09.560 Either or. It's such a reductive argument.

00:13:12.620 It's a myopic argument from an imbecile.

00:13:15.420 I mean, from the online harms bill, doesn't the government already have, I mean, probably

00:13:20.320 dozens of obscenity laws that would already prevent that, that just aren't enforced?

00:13:28.320 Yeah.

00:13:28.720 Yeah.

00:13:29.040 Yeah, I would have thought so.

00:13:30.320 But no, we need this brand new bill so that we can impose even more restrictions on the

00:13:36.500 internet and censor everybody. Just a little bit more, just a little bit more overreach

00:13:41.040 for Ofcom because nobody understands how the law works.

00:13:44.960 But it's just trying to, again, the argument is manipulative, really, really manipulative,

00:13:50.620 going straight to, oh, you must be a monster if you've got any problems with what's going

00:13:56.560 on, what we're doing. Just look at this one element of what's happening, which is very

00:14:02.040 difficult to argue against, right? I think, I mean, some people might accuse me of being

00:14:05.820 milquetoast here, but just to leave those people to die there isn't the right thing to do,

00:14:09.620 is it? I mean, so, okay.

00:14:14.080 Nate's Britain.

00:14:16.320 Step up from Bo's Britain.

00:14:17.440 Oh, no.

00:14:19.800 Here come the based Olympics.

00:14:21.900 Oh, God.

00:14:23.400 It's like the Special Olympics, but more retarded.

00:14:27.020 So, yeah, I mean...

00:14:33.820 I do not condone anything that may be illegal or overstep the boundaries of the online harms

00:14:40.880 bill.

00:14:41.380 There was no statement.

00:14:42.280 Yeah.

00:14:42.740 Yes.

00:14:43.780 Anyway, you get it.

00:14:45.140 So, yeah, I mean, this is just in the news cycle a bit. I mean, to be fair, one of the

00:14:54.360 things Nigel does do and reformists, they've actually drawn some attention to it, because

00:14:58.680 you wouldn't hear a peep out of the Lib Dems or the Greens or even Labour or even, actually,

00:15:04.200 Tory sometimes, I think I've seen one or two tweets from Tory people saying, wait, RNLI,

00:15:09.360 wait, what are you doing? Wait, why are you doing that? Like, save people from imminent

00:15:13.260 death? Okay. But why are you doing that, though? Why are you, like, literally ferrying them

00:15:17.760 into Dover when they weren't in any danger and et cetera, et cetera? And Nigel and reform

00:15:24.720 have been fairly strong in this. Of course, they've got pushback all over the place from

00:15:28.740 it, but it's a fair point. It's an absolutely fair point. And, yeah, they try and they make

00:15:33.040 the argument that it's only a small percentage of what we do is ferrying invaders straight

00:15:39.620 onto British shores. It's only a small thing in the scheme of everything we do. Yeah, okay,

00:15:46.620 but it's not okay. It's not good enough, I don't think. So, okay, I just wanted to sort

00:15:53.840 of bring it to the attention of people, because a lot of people, I think, will not have, particularly

00:16:00.080 foreign people, may not have ever even heard of the RNLI, let alone be aware of what they're

00:16:04.220 doing. And again, the broader point is I wouldn't want to sort of completely destroy the RNLI

00:16:12.100 on everywhere else on the coastline, where they're saving the lives of normal, decent

00:16:17.380 people who, through no fault of their own, perhaps, have got into trouble. Like, that's

00:16:22.800 a wonderful thing to do. I just think it's sad that, like a lot of other institutions and

00:16:28.660 organizations, they seem to have been co-opted, I think you used the word co-opted, or seem

00:16:32.660 to have been, just seem to have been infected with the idea that it's okay to just help the

00:16:43.660 invasion in some way, that there's nothing wrong with that. I haven't seen them actually

00:16:49.100 answer whenever there's, whenever, on Twitter or something, whenever anyone has accused them

00:16:53.380 of saying, no, no, you're part of the, part of the problem here. They just don't seem

00:16:57.280 to address that. They just fall back on the argument of, oh, well, it's our mandate to

00:17:02.620 just save people at sea, regardless of anything.

00:17:04.640 Well, they have made this statement in the article here, a management consultant who volunteers

00:17:11.200 for the RNLI says, when our pager goes, we're not thinking about anything political. We're

00:17:16.040 all thinking about people, we're actively compassionate, that's what drives us beyond any moral or civic

00:17:20.900 responsibility. When we're tasked, we don't know what we're going to be tasked to, we're

00:17:24.540 there to help people in their most distressing time. So it might just be that they get the

00:17:28.240 call out and they, from who though?

00:17:29.880 I would assume whoever, whoever reports that there is some kind of incident going on in

00:17:37.500 the channel.

00:17:37.980 To the middle of the calm channel on a sunny day, when the people aren't in immediate

00:17:43.380 danger.

00:17:44.000 Yeah, that coordination from the French authorities and our border force, no doubt.

00:17:49.740 And then it's sad that this is what's become of the RNLI because, you know, have some foresight

00:17:58.100 here. If you end up facilitating this as an invasion, which it is, facilitating it on a

00:18:06.620 wide degree, a large scale. And these people won't be paying you, right? Like if these people

00:18:16.140 reach a critical mass, they won't be funding the RNLI because they don't, they don't do

00:18:20.580 that. They don't. And so then what will become of the institution? It's gone then. I have some

00:18:26.020 foresight for God's sake. Everything you like, everything you hold dear, everything that is

00:18:30.600 giving you that moral and civic responsibility that you, you feel so beholden to will be gone.

00:18:37.620 That's it. It will be gone. Done.

00:18:40.720 You keep ferrying people here. You will not have a job. The institution won't exist any longer.

00:18:47.060 That's a fact. Like it's not, it's not speculative. That's what will happen. Because it's what happens

00:18:53.440 every single place where these people gain a critical mass, everything goes, everything

00:18:58.460 gets crumbled.

00:18:59.600 Yeah. I just think it's symptomatic. Just one more example of where something once noble

00:19:04.740 has been subverted, had our good nature, our good intentions perverted against us.

00:19:15.180 I suppose one last point I'll just make is, yeah, the average volunteer, I've got nothing

00:19:19.600 against them. It's like, it's like so many of these things, like your average, your average

00:19:24.900 worker or volunteer in loads of different organisations, which suddenly finds that they're

00:19:28.800 doing, they're involved in something actually terrible, suddenly realise, oh wait, what am I,

00:19:34.740 what's happening now? What am I a part of? Are we the baddies?

00:19:39.820 Yeah.

00:19:40.100 You know, that thing. So yeah, it's just sad. And I think the only way to,

00:19:46.000 the only way for it to be fixed is what I said, is to take the border force and we'll need an

00:19:53.240 entirely new border force, I would have thought, and the Coast Guard and the RNLI, take them

00:19:58.920 out of the equation entirely and put it into the hands of the Royal Navy. Of course, the

00:20:04.920 government we've got now will never do that. Never, ever do that. They wouldn't dream of

00:20:09.180 it. Because that would solve the issue, wouldn't it? So they're not going to do that. So we're

00:20:14.100 going to have more of this for at least another few years. So it's just, it's just sad to see.

00:20:21.900 All right, let's go through some of the rumble rants that we've received. The engaged through,

00:20:27.300 we'll pull them out of the water just as soon as we catch our breath from laughing. Me,

00:20:31.000 probably. That's from the engaged few, not me. That's a random name. Would it be possible

00:20:35.360 to change the image before and after the streams to show the schedule of all programmes

00:20:39.660 on Lotus Eaters Premium and otherwise, rather than only telling us on the podcast the day

00:20:44.660 of? That's not a bad idea, actually. Samson has heard that, so perhaps the behind the scenes

00:20:50.640 guys will consider it. Samson, pass that on to our back office bods. That's a good idea.

00:20:57.740 The boffins. Based Ape. Harry, I'm thinking of spending four hours writing a book called How

00:21:03.340 to be Retarded. Would you review it for me? Well, I've already spent a lot of time reading

00:21:09.720 a trilogy of books on that very subject by James O'Brien, so you might want to check out

00:21:14.440 that series. But if you'd like to contribute an epilogue, it can't be any worse, and it

00:21:18.060 sounds like you'll spend about three hours more than he did writing those books. And

00:21:22.300 that's a random name replies to Based Ape saying, sorry, but Harry can't read. Just kidding.

00:21:27.300 Only Dan and Luca are actually illiterate. Very impressive that Luca's been able to scam

00:21:32.200 everyone with Chronicles so far. He's an incredible BS artist, I will say. Just listen to audiobooks

00:21:40.800 is what it is. He's deaf as well. That's the incredible thing. He's dumb, deaf, and blind.

00:21:47.100 He's the pinball wizard. All right. Moving on. This segment was saved especially for me, given

00:21:56.680 that I am the resident wrestling fan and metalhead, because we had the death of two icons in quick

00:22:05.140 succession, the 22nd and 24th of July last week. Really rubbish birthday present, I've got to say,

00:22:13.280 both of these in the run-up to my birthday. But I wanted to discuss this, pay some kind of tribute

00:22:20.680 to them. Earlier on this year, my favourite director David Lynch died, so pretty bad year so far for huge

00:22:28.600 icons dying. Although these ones, I must admit, don't hit me quite as hard, and I would like to

00:22:34.520 discuss them more in terms of the idea that we're not getting heroes or icons in the same way anymore

00:22:42.380 as the ones that, as we did in the times that produced somebody like Hulk Hogan or somebody like

00:22:48.340 Ozzy Osbourne. The diffusion of media and politics to a more decentralised, democratised format on the

00:22:56.680 internet, as much as the government is trying to re-centralise things, means that the kind of

00:23:01.400 cultural phenomenons that these men were don't really come about as often, because everybody's

00:23:06.940 able to square themselves away in their own little cultural circles, where they don't experience

00:23:11.820 everything the same way. The closest a wrestling icon has come to being a Hulk Hogan in more recent

00:23:19.080 years is probably John Cena. But he's not Hulk Hogan. They tried to create a big star with Roman

00:23:28.540 Reigns, and he was pretty good, but he's not Hulk Hogan. I mean, The Rock, yeah, but he's not been an

00:23:34.520 active wrestler anywhere regularly for 20 years now. Over 20 years. It was like 2003, I think, when he

00:23:43.820 went off to be in Hollywood full-time, and he's come back for little stints here and there. Stone Cold

00:23:50.680 Steve Austin was up there with Hogan, but he retired full-time in 2003 as well. So you don't get that.

00:23:57.500 And with people like Ozzy Osbourne, who died on the 22nd of July, the kind of musical stars that we get

00:24:07.380 these days, is there anyone even comparable to the kind of zeitgeist cultural phenomenon, ubiquitous

00:24:14.780 knowledge that everybody just has that Ozzy Osbourne was a singer in a band called Black Sabbath,

00:24:21.260 that you just kind of got from existing in the world? Is there anybody comparable to that these

00:24:27.260 days? I see on social media and in the news these new stars popping up that seem to sprout like weeds

00:24:35.900 and come from nowhere. One of them that I keep seeing people talk about is this, what, Sabrina Carpenter

00:24:40.980 girl? But they feel very artificial and manufactured compared to somebody like Ozzy Osbourne, who was

00:24:48.320 just a failed Brummie burglar. Literally, he was a failed burglar. He tried to rob someone's house of a

00:24:56.500 television that he robbed while wearing fingerless gloves because Ozzy Osbourne, hate to break it to

00:25:02.800 everybody, was not a role model and was very retarded, even before he started taking all of

00:25:08.880 the drugs that he did. But despite that, he was able to be part of a band who went on to become

00:25:16.180 global megastars and inspire a whole generation of new musicians and inspire a sub-genre of rock,

00:25:23.680 heavy metal, which is probably more popular than normal rock and roll music is these days anyway.

00:25:30.300 So I think, um, I think you're right. Like there's not, there hasn't really been a, you know, musical

00:25:37.900 icon, I guess, musical star, whatever you want to say. Um, in, in, in the respect that most people

00:25:45.460 are endeared towards them. So like you mentioned like Sabrina Carpenter, for instance, like most

00:25:50.160 people are like, yeah, I know that this person is a thing, but I don't care. I know she exists.

00:25:54.960 Most people know who Taylor Swift is and they know her music, or at least they would have heard it.

00:25:58.600 Sadly, I've heard it. But most people, like she's not universally loved. Like Ozzy Osbourne,

00:26:05.780 there wasn't many people that would say a massively bad word about him. You know, they'd say,

00:26:11.580 yeah, he's a bit messed up. He's not someone who's denelate in terms of his personal lifestyle.

00:26:17.740 But he was still quite an endearing figure. Like, uh, was it at home with the Osbournes or

00:26:22.100 something like that? I can't remember what it was called. I think it was just called the Osbournes.

00:26:24.180 When I was growing up, that being such a popular television show meant that I knew who Ozzy

00:26:30.580 Osbourne was before I'd ever heard any of his music. As far as I was aware, when I was a child,

00:26:35.860 Ozzy Osbourne was a guy who was famous for being Ozzy Osbourne. I didn't know that he was a singer

00:26:41.460 until I was like 10 or 11. And my parents were kind of weird about it. They were like, you shouldn't,

00:26:47.660 you shouldn't listen to Ozzy Osbourne. That's grownup music. Don't listen to Black Sabbath. You need to be a

00:26:53.140 bit older before you listen to that kind of stuff, which now given the sorts of really heavy stuff

00:26:57.820 that I can be into these days, it seems so quaint. It seems so quaint to me. I like War Pigs.

00:27:04.060 That's a great song. I think War Pigs is a great song, but I was never into Sabbath. I mean,

00:27:07.600 it's even a little bit before my time. It's 70s, right? When Sabbath were...

00:27:11.760 Their first two albums came out in 1970. Right, so it's...

00:27:16.140 Their time with Ozzy peaked by 74, 75. Right. So it's even a bit before my time.

00:27:22.640 And then he was out of the band by the time you get to the 80s. Right. So even when I was a little

00:27:26.580 kid, it was already Sabbath was in the past. And then the Osbournes come out and it's like,

00:27:32.760 oh, that's Ozzy Osbourne. Because I was a grownup by that point. Yeah, yeah.

00:27:35.800 I'd like finished uni or whatever. And I was like, oh, Ozzy Osbourne is... That's what he looks like now. Oh, God.

00:27:41.360 I mean, he had a very successful solo career. But he was endearing. But he was endearing in that.

00:27:44.920 Right. I only watched a bit of it and it wasn't really about him, was it? It was about

00:27:48.320 Sharon and the kids, really. He only made sort of cameo appearances, didn't he, every now and again.

00:27:52.840 Not that I watched that much of it. But he was endearing. Certainly in his old age.

00:27:57.080 It's like Alice Cooper. It's all very tongue-in-cheek. He's not really a demonic figure in any way.

00:28:03.020 Yeah. He's like this burnt-out old Brummie with a sense of humour about himself. He's not demonic.

00:28:09.100 Yeah. I mean, I see loads of really fun clips of Ozzy that seem to come from that show,

00:28:14.960 which do just make him look like, yeah, he's kind of, like you say, a burned-out Brummie

00:28:20.360 who's still behaving like you would expect a drunken Brummie to on any street corner of Birmingham.

00:28:26.000 Oldie millionaire.

00:28:26.760 Yeah, but he's been elevated to this incredible status of cultural importance.

00:28:31.180 How is that not funny?

00:28:32.240 Yeah, and he's just wondering about his mansion, kind of confused, probably thinking himself,

00:28:35.940 how the bloody hell did I get here?

00:28:37.760 Why is there a dog here?

00:28:38.760 Shit on the floor.

00:28:39.960 What's going on?

00:28:40.840 It's a giant LA mansion, but he's still this Brummie dude.

00:28:44.620 Yeah, he's kind of like weirdly parochial.

00:28:47.900 Yeah.

00:28:48.160 In that way. He's of his time and he's of his place.

00:28:51.000 And that's something that people always said about Black Sabbath, was this idea that their

00:28:54.720 very sound was forged by Birmingham with the large industrial factories and the fact that

00:29:00.740 Tony Iommi, their guitarist, lost the tips of some of his fingers in a machine factory accident.

00:29:06.780 I didn't know that.

00:29:07.540 Yeah, yeah.

00:29:08.260 It's one of the things that forged their sound because what he did, this is quite a famous

00:29:12.320 rock and roll story.

00:29:13.680 He just melted down a fairy liquid plastic bottle and forged himself some plastic fingertips

00:29:20.400 so he could actually play guitar, but it was really painful for him to play.

00:29:24.780 So after the first few albums, he started tuning the strings lower so that they wouldn't

00:29:30.540 be as tense, so it wouldn't hurt his fingers as much, which is one of the things that helped

00:29:34.300 to create that heavier sound for them.

00:29:37.320 It's interesting.

00:29:38.020 By tuning lower.

00:29:38.860 Yeah, yeah, it is interesting, but it's the whole specter of Birmingham, especially in

00:29:44.940 those earlier days, influenced their sound.

00:29:47.460 People compare the really slow, doomy sound of the drums to the sound of the machines working

00:29:55.320 slowly like big factory presses just slamming down over and over again.

00:29:59.200 So he comes from that and he was formed by that.

00:30:02.280 And in his death, he moved back from LA a few years ago specifically so that he could be

00:30:08.740 in Birmingham and they played their final ever gig, which I wasn't, you know, they'd played

00:30:14.120 a tour in 2017 called The End, which was supposed to be their final ever tour.

00:30:19.800 So I was expecting, okay, there's this big tour, there's this big gig going on on the 5th

00:30:24.100 of July.

00:30:24.660 It was in Aston at Villa Park.

00:30:26.800 I thought, you know, if they still kick about for a little bit, there'll be more.

00:30:32.280 This won't be the end.

00:30:33.360 Like the Rolling Stones.

00:30:34.820 I can't believe Keith Richards and Mick Jagger have somehow managed to outlive Aussie Osborne.

00:30:39.480 But I suppose they've all taken a similar cocktail of drugs that kind of embalm their bodies

00:30:43.920 while they're still alive and keep them going.

00:30:47.440 You know, it's the transfusion of young people's blood.

00:30:50.580 Yeah, all bat blood in Aussie's case.

00:30:52.820 Let's mention that because that's one of the famous things that he bit the head off

00:30:55.960 a live bat live on stage.

00:30:57.660 And I always thought...

00:30:58.960 You asked me about this.

00:30:59.860 And I always thought, I found out this morning, and I always thought, okay, the old Aussie

00:31:03.400 Osborne is sort of an endearing figure, but that is out of order.

00:31:06.760 That's gross.

00:31:07.440 That's like, that's horrible.

00:31:08.260 What a dickhead.

00:31:09.240 But I found out this morning that there's actually much more to the story and he didn't,

00:31:13.440 it's not anywhere near as bad as you think.

00:31:16.160 He didn't do it on purpose.

00:31:17.220 It was a publicity stunt that they used to do on like press conferences and in interviews

00:31:23.260 that he would have like a fake goose or a fake swan or a fake bat and he would bite the

00:31:29.960 head off of it so that like in a kind of like an Alice Cooper way, you know, the way Alice

00:31:33.780 Cooper gets beheaded on stage.

00:31:35.860 It's just, it's just PR.

00:31:38.120 It's a magic trick to get people talking.

00:31:40.400 So he's on stage one day playing a gig.

00:31:43.300 Like someone throws a bat on stage.

00:31:45.420 A real bat.

00:31:46.020 And he thinks, oh, someone's thrown a toy bat.

00:31:49.260 Because he was thinking like, where would anybody have got a bat from?

00:31:52.920 You just assume that someone's thrown like a toy or something.

00:31:55.640 I'll do the thing that I always do.

00:31:57.800 And he says he just bit into it, pulled the head off and then realized that his mouth was

00:32:02.780 full of blood.

00:32:03.520 And so he had to get loads of tetanus shots and everything to make sure that he didn't

00:32:07.640 get rabies after that.

00:32:09.060 Because nobody, nobody even as insane as Ozzy Osbourne was in the 80s is going to willingly

00:32:14.520 subject themselves to potentially getting rabies.

00:32:18.960 And killing a bat unnecessarily.

00:32:21.300 Yeah, exactly right.

00:32:22.660 So when I found that out, I feel like that's nowhere near as bad.

00:32:26.240 It's not like he went out and bought a bat or caught a bat and then held it ready for

00:32:31.440 this moment on stage.

00:32:32.840 I'm going to kill a bat in front of everyone.

00:32:34.540 It wasn't that.

00:32:35.260 It wasn't that.

00:32:35.800 He was the prince of darkness.

00:32:37.500 So the whole thing was supposed to be part of the image.

00:32:40.220 He's the maniac drug addict who's going to go and bite the head off of a swan in the

00:32:44.520 middle of an interview or something like that.

00:32:46.620 But then no, then he actually accidentally does it with a bat.

00:32:49.900 Imagine the horror when you realize that the head in your mouth is a real bat's head.

00:32:53.720 Yeah, that'd be pretty nasty.

00:32:56.660 I think part of what gave it away, as he said as well, as he was pulling it, the wings started

00:33:01.440 flapping and he was like, oh, that'd be awful.

00:33:04.720 Yeah.

00:33:05.160 But he was well beyond anything.

00:33:07.060 I had the privilege of seeing Black Sabbath in a download back in 2012 when he was still

00:33:12.520 mobile and still moving.

00:33:14.480 And they put on a really good show, to be fair.

00:33:17.180 But this most recent one, you know, he's in very, very bad health.

00:33:20.240 Obviously, he was sat on a throne for the whole set.

00:33:23.800 He didn't stand up at all.

00:33:25.860 So it seems to have been one of those situations where he knew he was on his way out.

00:33:30.920 His last two albums that he released, Ordinary Man, Patient No. 9, both seem to have been

00:33:38.500 death albums.

00:33:39.820 He knew he was on his way out.

00:33:41.580 Pretty sure he was surprised after 2020 when he released Ordinary Man that he still had time

00:33:46.500 to get another album out after that.

00:33:48.860 But there were big collaborations with artists who inspired him and he had inspired.

00:33:54.980 So it was a big celebration of his career.

00:33:57.620 And Samson was going through the track listing earlier and just going, this song's about dying.

00:34:02.120 This other song's about dying.

00:34:03.420 Like there's songs called things like Under the Graveyard.

00:34:06.160 So he knew it was coming.

00:34:07.940 So I'm surprised that he managed to last this long when he knew he was in such poor health.

00:34:12.460 But I will be honest, I've never been a huge Sabbath guy myself.

00:34:20.200 I really like the album Paranoid, which Warpigs is off of.

00:34:23.320 That's their magnum opus to me.

00:34:25.480 But of 70s like heavy metal acts, I've always been more of a deep purple guy, more into Rainbow,

00:34:32.240 early Judas Priest.

00:34:34.300 But I've got to respect the kind of influence that Black Sabbath had on a genre of music,

00:34:39.720 which is incredibly important to me and incredibly important to a lot of people

00:34:44.120 because I really do see heavy metal as one of the few great cultural creations

00:34:51.400 that has come in the post-war period.

00:34:54.340 I see it as an expression of like post-Black Sabbath stuff, which is very bluesy.

00:35:01.240 When you start to get to the 80s and even in the 70s with people like Ritchie Blackmore and Rainbow,

00:35:05.980 I see it as an expression of like a European harmony and European musical styles

00:35:11.540 put into a more modern context, more so than a lot of pop music.

00:35:15.760 I think you're right to say, though, that there doesn't seem to be any sort of equivalent these days

00:35:20.020 of someone like Alice Cooper or Ozzy.

00:35:23.200 I was watching a documentary because Oasis have done some gigs recently, right?

00:35:26.920 Oh, yeah.

00:35:27.240 And I've watched a documentary just before they came on and Noel was saying that even in the early 90s,

00:35:33.860 you could still make it and be a giant band but come from nothing,

00:35:39.140 come from just a working class, normal family.

00:35:41.300 You're not necessarily photogenic or anything.

00:35:43.980 And even in the 90s, that was possible.

00:35:46.580 Certainly, obviously, Ozzy is an example of that.

00:35:48.520 But nowadays, it just won't happen.

00:35:51.540 You have to be...

00:35:52.780 I can't remember who it was, but I remember someone saying a few years ago saying,

00:35:56.180 isn't it surprising now that there are no good singer-songwriters that aren't really photogenic?

00:36:01.880 Of course, making the point that it's entirely contrived.

00:36:06.100 Manufactured.

00:36:06.500 And they'll pick someone that looks good, like...

00:36:09.520 Maybe Ed Sheeran is the last example of somebody who just looks like a normal guy.

00:36:14.920 Yeah, that's actually a good exception to the Royal Arch.

00:36:17.680 But I've discussed this before on the podcast,

00:36:21.980 but the music industry seems to have gone through waves,

00:36:25.840 which was the early music industry tried its absolute best to centralise as much as possible

00:36:31.480 and have it so that all the stars were manufactured and created

00:36:34.660 and really overlooked by songwriters and producers who did everything for them.

00:36:40.720 They were just there for the image.

00:36:43.220 And then in the 60s, the record labels in England in particular,

00:36:48.120 signed a bunch of guys who they thought would be like that,

00:36:51.740 but then they signed the Beatles, who it turns out are really great songwriters.

00:36:57.780 In fact, maybe it's a bit cheaper to not hire the songwriters and have the bands write their own songs

00:37:04.020 than the Rolling Stones write their own songs.

00:37:06.300 And then all of the record labels realise,

00:37:08.680 oh, actually, maybe we can still make money and release good music

00:37:12.460 if we let all of these guys, if we pick them up for talent and then manage them from there.

00:37:18.040 I know.

00:37:18.900 Who'd have thought it, eh?

00:37:19.640 Who'd have thought, right?

00:37:20.860 And then throughout the 60s, 70s, 80s, and part of the 90s,

00:37:26.060 you get this huge swath of music that's written by people who are just really good songwriters

00:37:32.340 in their own right who can make it successful and have the record label machine behind them.

00:37:39.420 But in that time, you start to realise, hold up, these guys are also incredibly volatile.

00:37:45.900 They are liable to get addicted to drugs.

00:37:48.680 If they're a band that aren't led by a dictator who can interchange the members of the band,

00:37:53.940 they might get egos and they might break up.

00:37:56.600 And this is causing us a lot more trouble than it's worth.

00:37:59.880 So, why don't we get a load of ghetto gangbangers who we can write all of the beats for,

00:38:07.300 who we just need to have write a few, like, talk quickly over a boring beat produced by Rick Rubin

00:38:15.500 about how many bitches they get on the weekends.

00:38:19.960 And all we need to do is feed him drugs and bitches.

00:38:22.720 And he's happy and he's, you know, he might die next week in a drive-by shooting,

00:38:29.540 but there's, you know, ten a penny.

00:38:31.920 And they keep all the royalties either way.

00:38:34.740 Yeah.

00:38:35.260 Yeah, and now we're left with an age of, what, like Justin Bieber and Katy Perry and Harry Styles.

00:38:41.640 So, it kind of re-centralised.

00:38:43.840 Brilliant.

00:38:44.260 And became, and went back to having all of these artists being very manufactured

00:38:50.000 in a way that, like, whatever you want to say about his personal choices,

00:38:53.880 like, Black Sabbath were not manufactured in that same way.

00:38:59.200 There are so many stories by the mid-70s of how much they pissed off their record label.

00:39:05.740 Just because the record label, especially back then, they wanted you to be a workhorse.

00:39:09.900 They wanted an album every year.

00:39:12.160 At least one album.

00:39:13.280 They released two albums in their first year in 1970.

00:39:17.080 They're self-titled and paranoid.

00:39:18.440 But then by the time you get to the mid-70s, they're all really high on cocaine constantly.

00:39:25.100 They're using huge amounts of record label money so they can rent out manor houses in the English countryside

00:39:32.140 to record their albums.

00:39:33.580 And they are getting nothing done.

00:39:35.900 They don't do anything but drink wine and snort cocaine all day.

00:39:41.000 And the record label's constantly on the phone of,

00:39:43.480 have you got anything written?

00:39:44.780 Have you got anything written?

00:39:45.600 And you hear their guitarist, Tony Iommi, being like,

00:39:48.280 oh, yeah, yeah, it's coming along great.

00:39:50.960 It's coming along great.

00:39:51.800 Don't worry about it.

00:39:52.780 You know, so they're not manufactured in that same way

00:39:55.680 because manufactured artists wouldn't be able to get away with that same sort of thing.

00:39:59.840 It's funny how Spinal Tap, obviously Spinal Tap is a pastiche.

00:40:03.640 Oh, yeah.

00:40:05.080 It's so accurate.

00:40:06.000 They're parodying all sorts of people, like Sabbath, The Who, The Stones, loads of them.

00:40:11.340 But you can tell certain bits of Spinal Tap, it could be Ozzy saying the thing, right?

00:40:17.960 It could be, the joke could be something Ozzy actually did or said.

00:40:22.060 I think, well, some of it is based on Black Sabbath themselves.

00:40:26.200 Because Black Sabbath tried to have a big stage show that went wrong.

00:40:29.320 So in Spinal Tap, they parody it with the Stonehenge, where they get the dimensions wrong.

00:40:34.480 They mix up inches and feet.

00:40:35.680 It's a tiny little stonehenge.

00:40:38.680 And then you get the tiny little midgets dancing around it that are bigger than it and knock it over.

00:40:43.560 It's so good.

00:40:45.900 But Ozzy Osbourne quite famously said he watched Spinal Tap.

00:40:50.140 And it was only years after that he realized it was a parody.

00:40:53.640 Really?

00:40:54.060 Yeah, he thought it was an actual documentary because he was like, well, yeah, this is exactly what happens all the time.

00:41:00.860 This is the life of a rock and roll band, obviously.

00:41:05.320 But anyway, tributes are coming out to move on with a bit of the news.

00:41:10.180 You know, his funeral is going on right now as we speak, as we're recording.

00:41:14.680 There's a procession going through Birmingham, taking his remains through Birmingham, his coffin.

00:41:24.060 Through Birmingham, because, you know, Birmingham's very, very proud of where he comes from, where Black Sabbath comes from, being a cultural center, which it definitely isn't anymore.

00:41:34.760 Speaking of which, their Lord Mayor, Zafar Iqbal, said we're going to pay our last respects and homage to one of the greatest living legends of Birmingham.

00:41:44.980 And I'm so certain that Mr. Iqbal has such a genuine and sincere attachment to Birmingham's cultural heritage.

00:41:54.400 What have they really got?

00:41:55.680 Ozzy Osbourne and Frank Skinner?

00:41:57.900 Who else is there?

00:41:59.240 I don't know.

00:42:00.500 Judas Priest from Birmingham?

00:42:01.960 Yeah, Judas Priest are from Birmingham as well.

00:42:04.060 They're still kicking.

00:42:04.980 They're still releasing great albums, actually.

00:42:06.660 Just completely unrelated.

00:42:08.220 Here's a demographic map of Birmingham from 1951 to 2021.

00:42:14.100 So around the time of Black Sabbath's first album, so 1971, there's Birmingham.

00:42:21.520 That's the Birmingham that Black Sabbath were originally playing in.

00:42:25.140 And it doesn't really look like that anymore.

00:42:28.800 But I'm sure Mr. Iqbal really cares about Black Sabbath.

00:42:31.820 I'm sure he was there at their first gig.

00:42:34.240 I'm sure he cares ever, ever so much.

00:42:38.320 Anyway, the other person, as mentioned, who died on the 24th of July, the day right before my birthday,

00:42:44.380 so again, great birthday present, was Hulk Hogan.

00:42:47.940 Now again, Hulk Hogan is kind of before my time when it comes to wrestling.

00:42:53.300 But I don't think there's any denying that he is, alongside Vince McMahon, the guy who made wrestling huge.

00:43:00.060 It was him and Vince McMahon in the WWF in the 1980s that created the phenomenon that was wrestling in the mainstream during that huge boom period in which he was the hero.

00:43:13.260 He was the guy telling you to do your exercise, eat your vitamins.

00:43:18.440 He was an icon for kids all over America with crossover appeal over into Europe as well.

00:43:24.080 Now there are loads and loads of people within the wrestling industry who are very jealous of that.

00:43:29.320 Also because Hulk Hogan was a big politician backstage and protected his spot at the top of the card very jealously and would, you know, not ruin other people's careers, but he wouldn't let them beat him.

00:43:43.400 Because the whole point of the illusion of Hulk Hogan as a character was supposed to be, he is the victor.

00:43:49.380 He's the good guy who wins every time.

00:43:51.660 And a lot of people get very jealous.

00:43:53.300 They say, he destroyed my career.

00:43:54.840 He kept me down because of this.

00:43:56.420 The fact of the matter is, though, all of those people are whiners.

00:44:00.780 They are complainers.

00:44:02.440 Because if they were at the top of the card, right, they would have been earning this much.

00:44:08.040 With Hulk Hogan at the top of the card, they were earning this much.

00:44:11.600 Because he was the guy who got people through the door.

00:44:14.920 So a lot of that is just behind the scenes jealousy.

00:44:17.400 People trying to tarnish his legacy.

00:44:19.060 He wasn't perfect.

00:44:19.920 It's quite amusing when you listen to any interview that he did since the internet was created.

00:44:28.440 Because the man didn't seem to understand that you could Google things.

00:44:33.040 So he would lie constantly for no reason in every interview.

00:44:38.360 Yeah, he said that WrestleMania 3, the body slam with Andre the Giant, he said,

00:44:44.120 Oh, brother, that tore up my whole back.

00:44:46.100 I had to get surgery straight after.

00:44:47.940 The tragedy, Andre let me keep his boots.

00:44:50.520 He died three days after.

00:44:52.240 That was in 1987.

00:44:53.820 Andre died in 1992 or 93.

00:44:57.520 Okay.

00:44:57.900 So he just lied for no reason about anything and everything.

00:45:01.480 But that's the point.

00:45:02.500 It's the show.

00:45:03.460 He was constantly living the character.

00:45:05.680 He was constantly trying to make everything bigger than life.

00:45:09.460 And speaking of which, he did create the greatest ever moment in political campaigning history last year.

00:45:17.080 What happened last week when they took a shot at my hero?

00:45:25.200 And they tried to kill the next president of the United States.

00:45:31.740 Enough was enough.

00:45:34.020 And I said, let Trump-a-mania run wild, brother.

00:45:39.640 Let Trump-a-mania rule again.

00:45:42.460 Let Trump-a-mania make America great again.

00:45:50.020 And it cuts, but he starts flexing immediately after.

00:45:53.980 He starts doing the flexing.

00:45:55.940 But again, you don't get stars like that anymore.

00:45:59.500 Whatever you think of that, that's America.

00:46:03.200 That's America.

00:46:04.200 He's a real American.

00:46:05.440 He is a real American.

00:46:06.480 Well, was.

00:46:07.160 A was.

00:46:07.660 Was a real American.

00:46:09.420 See, I'm actually old enough to have been a little kid in the 1980s.

00:46:14.000 So, I remember it for reals.

00:46:16.600 Like, I remember WrestleMania 4 or something.

00:46:19.000 You know, like 1988 or whatever.

00:46:20.420 I think 7 or whatever it was.

00:46:21.740 So, I remember, like, the original Hulk.

00:46:24.400 Because he did a turn.

00:46:27.120 He was baddie for a while, wasn't he?

00:46:28.860 In the 1990s of WCW, he became Hollywood Hulk.

00:46:33.320 Yeah, Hollywood Hogan.

00:46:34.480 With the black and white rather than the red and yellow.

00:46:36.740 But the original, the original Hulkamania.

00:46:40.100 It was great.

00:46:40.820 Everyone loved it.

00:46:41.520 It was electrifying.

00:46:42.740 I mean, Hollywood Hulk almost destroyed the WWF in the 90s.

00:46:48.880 Because of how popular it made him again when his career had been on the wane.

00:46:53.140 And how much it boosted WCW.

00:46:55.560 So, if WCW hadn't been, frankly, booked by morons, and they'd taken advantage of that momentum,

00:47:05.740 they would have been able to actually do something.

00:47:08.220 But then Vince McMahon discovered Stone Cold Steve Austin.

00:47:11.200 A few things I remember from childhood being brilliant, right?

00:47:15.540 One was whenever The Ultimate Warrior came out.

00:47:17.680 I love The Ultimate Warrior.

00:47:18.940 It'd sprint out.

00:47:20.140 Like, his music would start.

00:47:21.020 And he'd sprint into the ring.

00:47:22.060 And he'd sort of go a bit berserk.

00:47:23.460 Like, grabbing the top rope and going crazy.

00:47:25.560 That was, to me, as a kid anyway, that was electrifying.

00:47:27.760 I loved it when The Undertaker got completely knocked out cold and he was dead.

00:47:32.380 And then would suddenly just sit bolt upright.

00:47:34.460 The old Undertaker, when he looked like an actual Undertaker.

00:47:37.360 With the hat and, like, the white face.

00:47:39.800 The old 80s Undertaker.

00:47:41.420 That was great.

00:47:42.460 And when Hulk...

00:47:44.340 When he Hulked up?

00:47:46.640 Yeah, yeah.

00:47:47.320 When people were hitting him and it just wasn't affecting him at all.

00:47:50.240 It would make him more mad, if anything.

00:47:51.560 And he'd come out and do the big boot.

00:47:53.440 And he'd win.

00:47:54.060 And the stadium would go crazy.

00:47:56.340 Everyone loved it.

00:47:57.240 Everyone loved it.

00:47:58.120 Yeah, it was showmanship.

00:47:59.480 Pure showmanship.

00:48:00.920 I mean, because...

00:48:01.700 Even in wrestling, you don't really get any more.

00:48:05.800 Because everybody's...

00:48:07.300 Nobody wants to tell a story like Hulk did.

00:48:09.540 Nobody wants to do the showmanship the way that Hulk did.

00:48:12.820 Everyone in wrestling these days is, for one, about a foot shorter than Hulk was.

00:48:17.300 He was six foot eight.

00:48:18.780 He was massive.

00:48:20.280 And they weigh about 200 pounds less than he did.

00:48:23.960 And all they want to do is acrobatics.

00:48:26.360 They want to do amateur acrobatics and flip all over the ring with one another.

00:48:31.040 Which can be exciting every once in a while.

00:48:33.460 But it doesn't sell tickets.

00:48:36.220 It doesn't get people's interest the same way that Hogan versus Savage.

00:48:41.700 The mega powers collide.

00:48:43.760 How that works.

00:48:45.060 Because it's a story they're telling, right?

00:48:47.300 I was a Randy Savage fan, first and foremost.

00:48:51.020 He was my boy.

00:48:52.000 He was my favourite.

00:48:53.040 Him and Ultimate Warrior.

00:48:53.920 I wasn't a massive Hulk fan.

00:48:55.000 I like Hulk.

00:48:56.640 But yeah, I liked Randy Savage the best.

00:49:00.560 And Ultimate Warrior.

00:49:01.560 But Donald Trump, he remembers it.

00:49:03.320 He's been involved in wrestling once in a blue moon.

00:49:05.840 He's taken a stunner.

00:49:06.800 Going back to the 80s.

00:49:08.780 Was it even that far back?

00:49:10.380 He would sort of make a cameo.

00:49:11.700 So, I think, anyway, he's made cameos for years.

00:49:14.300 He's always been a pop culture guy, yeah.

00:49:15.440 And I think he was genuinely friends with Terry.

00:49:18.380 Hulk Hogan's real name is Terry.

00:49:19.920 Terry Balea, yeah.

00:49:20.920 I think he was actual friends with him in real life.

00:49:25.020 So, it's great to see.

00:49:26.460 You know, that's a genuine smile from the Donald, isn't it?

00:49:29.480 Yeah, because they're mates.

00:49:30.780 Yeah.

00:49:31.360 So, it's a shame to see Hulk Hogan die.

00:49:34.620 And I think it was really telling people that had any sort of problem with it.

00:49:39.340 Yeah.

00:49:39.600 Right, anyone that was like, like saying, calm down.

00:49:43.720 Like, no one gives a shit about Hulk Hogan and he wasn't that good and all that.

00:49:47.420 Well, you obviously hate Western civilization then.

00:49:50.440 If you're saying that.

00:49:51.580 Well, the big controversy was the fact that, and this is a very convoluted story,

00:49:55.440 so I'll just kind of skim over it, right?

00:49:57.760 Okay.

00:49:58.340 The big controversy with Hulk Hogan.

00:49:59.920 Wait, is he at the UN?

00:50:01.540 Uh, he's in, uh, court.

00:50:03.940 Oh, okay.

00:50:04.700 He's in a, he's in a courthouse.

00:50:05.980 He looked like the UN.

00:50:06.700 It would have been amazing if he was in the UN.

00:50:08.880 That would have been cool.

00:50:09.680 Flexing on them.

00:50:11.080 Eat your vitamins, brother.

00:50:13.340 Yeah, the, the...

00:50:14.420 No more brother wars, brother.

00:50:16.160 The controversy with Hogan stems from the fact that, uh, that in private...

00:50:22.320 Sorry.

00:50:24.040 In, in private, he wasn't a fan of, uh, of certain people.

00:50:30.000 Right.

00:50:30.280 Uh, which comes, and we know this because, right, the convoluted story is, in 2006, Hulk

00:50:37.440 Hogan was having an affair with his best friend's wife, which his best friend had supposedly

00:50:43.360 given the two thumbs up on, but also filmed one of these encounters without Hulk Hogan's

00:50:49.780 knowledge.

00:50:51.340 Seedy.

00:50:52.100 Very seedy.

00:50:53.340 Somehow, the gossip website Gawker got a hold of this tape and decided, for journalistic

00:51:00.960 purposes, here is Hulk Hogan's sex tape.

00:51:04.140 In the public interest.

00:51:05.120 They just released it.

00:51:06.720 They tried to claim First Amendment protections, but Hulk Hogan sued them into the dirt, destroyed

00:51:13.600 Gawker, which is good because it was a gossip rag.

00:51:17.160 The website Gawker, not Sebastian Gawker, the man.

00:51:18.980 Yes, correct.

00:51:20.160 And he got 31 million dollars for it.

00:51:22.840 In settlement.

00:51:24.340 But, in those tapes that they released, he is heard speaking the naughty words because

00:51:32.700 his daughter was going out with a basketball player at the time, which he wasn't very happy

00:51:38.840 with.

00:51:39.520 And so he says the N-word a couple of times.

00:51:42.500 And because of that, you have to disavow everything that he did, everything that he ever accomplished,

00:51:47.800 and say that he was a terrible person and never made anybody's lives better.

00:51:51.840 Damn all of those, you know, meet and greets he did with kids where he, you know, made them

00:51:58.020 happy and signed autographs and improved their day.

00:52:01.380 Anything like that.

00:52:02.700 So there is a lot of people been saying, oh, he was a racist POS, so screw him.

00:52:07.360 I'm glad he's dead.

00:52:08.180 This guy, Joey Swole, put out a very positive memorial to Hulk Hogan at first, and then immediately

00:52:17.780 got told by people that he shouldn't have because he was a racist, and then put out an apology

00:52:22.400 for it, and now is saying, and now is whining about the fact that people are angry at him

00:52:26.900 for apologizing in the first place.

00:52:28.160 Because I don't care about anything like that, because Hulk Hogan, first and foremost, was an

00:52:34.820 American hero, no matter what his private opinions were. That was all stuff said in private during a

00:52:40.640 very personal encounter that was leaked by a gossip rag. Who cares? Who cares?

00:52:47.380 I didn't even know any of that.

00:52:48.340 I shouldn't have to care, but I'm just mentioning it, because if I don't, there'll be someone

00:52:53.880 in the comments below saying, why didn't you mention the Gawker thing? Why didn't you mention

00:52:57.940 that he said the N-word, Harry? Well, I have now. There you go. So, you know, rest in peace

00:53:03.860 to a true American, and rest in peace to a heavy metal icon. Whatever you think of them,

00:53:12.660 though, their legacies will far, far outweigh whatever controversies may have cropped up

00:53:19.180 during their own lifetimes.

00:53:22.720 Alright, sorry to have gone on for so long on that one.

00:53:25.520 That's fine, my segment was a bit shorter than it should have been, so...

00:53:28.500 So, let's see...

00:53:30.680 Generated loads of, uh...

00:53:32.160 Yeah, there's quite a few rumble rants, so I'll go through them quickly.

00:53:34.900 Habsification, I do love The Rock's final boss character. I did too, until they...

00:53:41.540 Until he came out and was involved in John Cena's heel turn, and then decided,

00:53:46.720 my job is done. I don't need to be involved in this anymore, which ruined the story.

00:53:50.800 You two will have no context for that.

00:53:52.520 Yeah, I haven't watched wrestling since, like, 2001 or 2002 or something.

00:53:55.540 But old Habsie will understand. That's a random name. I was initially indifferent to Hulk's

00:54:00.460 passing, then one of my IRL buds told me he was really racist, and I felt a great wave

00:54:05.440 of sadness wash over me.

00:54:07.200 The best always leave us first. Too true, friend. Too true.

00:54:10.780 The engaged few.

00:54:12.540 You're too young to listen to Sabbath, Harry. Here's a Cradle of Filth album.

00:54:15.840 If people would like to send me records to the office of, like, Cradle of Filth or other bands,

00:54:22.140 please do. I won't say no.

00:54:24.380 Scan lines, internet personalities are the new rock stars. It's why all the kids want to be YouTubers.

00:54:29.480 Starting a band in the garage has died off.

00:54:32.000 No, I would say, actually, starting a band in the garage is still something that people want to do.

00:54:37.320 It's mainly lack of opportunity with venues outside of the big cities nowadays.

00:54:42.200 Most small towns in England, I don't know if it's the same in America, but in England,

00:54:46.520 don't have venues that platform original music anymore. You're lucky if you're going to get a pub gig

00:54:51.560 playing covers. So I would say it's more access to opportunity than just because people want to be

00:54:57.300 YouTubers. Because music YouTube is still very popular. And Instagram guitarists, that's probably where

00:55:03.880 all the money is. What you need to do is sit down for 12 hours a day for 15 years of your formative

00:55:09.500 life and become a sweaty nerd at playing guitar. And then you'll be able to make money on Instagram

00:55:15.220 playing guitar.

00:55:17.320 EC was here. I often worry about what sort of world we're leaving for Keith Richards. That's true.

00:55:22.540 The engaged few do metal was created when a stoned LA guitarist heard Warpigs and thought,

00:55:27.100 I can make an epic 30 minute long song with this one note and a drummer who plays it blistering

00:55:31.960 three beats per day. I too am a fan of the band Sleep. Bobo Bad. It feels like more than anything,

00:55:39.400 the current stars in music feel more like parodies of the past than something genuine.

00:55:43.720 Yeah. Bone Apple Tea Party, Giant Haystacks, Big Daddy and Kendo Nagasaki are still the best

00:55:49.740 wrestlers. No steroids, just the power of beer and pies. Yeah, there are other secret third ways to get

00:55:56.880 big for wrestling. That's like British, again, just from more seventies, British wrestling that

00:56:01.880 was on TV. Yeah. Where people like Giant Haystacks and Big Daddy, they're like the opposite of

00:56:07.520 athletes. Like the absolute opposite. And like there was no high risk manoeuvres, none. There was

00:56:14.500 no real wrestling really. Hey man, if it gets people to the door. But people loved it though. People loved it

00:56:21.200 still because it had character. Because it was sort of kind of more real. I say real wrestling.

00:56:26.340 Well, you say more real. My granddad used to be friends with local wrestlers in the English

00:56:32.180 like Derbyshire and Cheshire scenes. Right. And he would go and, you know, hang out with them

00:56:37.700 backstage. And the amount of vitriol when he was friends with the heels that the bad guys would get.

00:56:43.640 He would tell me stories about his friend walking down the aisle, going to the ring. And just old

00:56:49.460 ladies, furious at them, would stab him in the back with pens and sharp umbrellas as they were going

00:56:56.500 past. Because kayfabe was still in full effect back then. So yeah. People believed it. Yeah.

00:57:01.860 Engaged few. The best friend was a radio personality who went by the name of Bubba the

00:57:05.540 Love Sponge. Yes. Who I believe got involved in WCW near the end. Habsification. The internet did destroy

00:57:12.200 the great cultural filter. However, the internet did also prevent nonsense from getting away with their

00:57:16.020 nonsense as well. Yeah, that's why I'm kind of mixed on it. Because we don't get those same icons

00:57:20.640 anymore. But also, it does give a lot of people opportunities that they wouldn't have had otherwise

00:57:26.140 to get themselves heard and out there. Johans Hugenboom. Okay. Best clip of WWE is the Steinemath

00:57:34.400 clips. Pure gold. That is TNA, my friend. Although it is pure gold. Because I'm a genetic freak.

00:57:40.120 And I'm not normal. Let's go on to your segment.

00:57:43.840 I bet, yeah.

00:57:46.020 Thank you. Appreciate it.

00:57:50.300 Alright, well, we keep talking about the invasion. We keep talking about remigration being inevitable.

00:57:58.700 So what I wanted, and also civil war has been a massive thing which has come up. David Betts was

00:58:03.020 doing the rounds. We've seen the Met Police training to beat up patriots and all this kind of stuff, right?

00:58:10.040 So I wanted to explore hypothetical situation where civil war does break out. If things keep

00:58:17.600 going on the trajectory that we're on. This is a black pill. I'm so sorry. But I wanted to explore.

00:58:23.160 I wanted to see the best case scenario, the worst case scenario, and a middle of the ground scenario.

00:58:29.620 Taking into account migration trends, fertility rates of the individuals that are coming here,

00:58:37.100 the ethnicities, the ideological leanings of those individuals, and just explore what the UK would look like.

00:58:44.340 So after the UK falls, this is what we're going to be looking at. I'm sorry. I know, it's really teary.

00:58:52.340 You mean like when sort of a central government entirely collapses and there's no state anymore?

00:58:57.440 Well, there is some.

00:58:57.960 There's no police or...

00:58:59.400 It's a pure anarchy.

00:59:00.440 There is some. So there is some in this, right? So best case scenario, regional pluralism and migrant

00:59:07.780 influence. This is the absolute best. We're going to start from the best, okay? So overview. The UK

00:59:13.940 faces low-intensity conflict over economic inequality, cultural tensions, leading to

00:59:19.280 balkanization into semi-autonomous regions. Migrant communities, particularly South Asians,

00:59:26.100 Muslims is what they're referring to, obviously Arabs, and Africans gain demographic and political

00:59:30.960 influence. Now, actually, you can see that already happening, right? This is the best case scenario.

00:59:37.840 I know. Yes.

00:59:40.120 Do you see... I don't want to cut you off too early, but I do think if there was...

00:59:45.140 There's a lot to get through.

00:59:45.600 Just very quickly, if there was ever a full collapse situation, it would be pretty brutal,

00:59:52.580 and I don't think it would end well in the long run for the invaders.

00:59:57.560 No, well...

00:59:58.280 I'll just put it like that.

00:59:59.160 All right. Well, yeah. Yeah.

01:00:03.040 So, political influence due to higher fertility rates, but do not fully replace the natives,

01:00:08.360 right? That's best case scenario. Region stabilised through power sharing, maintaining

01:00:13.120 a pluralistic UK. Also, I did factor into what the rest of the world would look at the UK as

01:00:19.960 well in this scenario, because I thought that would be really interesting, because we are

01:00:23.280 obviously... We were the beacon of the West. We quite literally fertilised the Western world

01:00:29.140 with our culture. That is all spawned from us. So, I wanted to see what the rest of the

01:00:34.080 world would view us if these scenarios happened. So, we would have reduced global clout in the

01:00:39.760 best case scenario. Migration and demographic replacement. So, dominant groups would be Pakistani

01:00:46.420 and Bangladeshi Muslims, because combined 2.5 million in 2025 grow rapidly due to replacement

01:00:52.780 rates, basically fertility, reaching 10% of the population by 2040. Indian, Hindu and Sikhs,

01:00:59.020 2 million, Nigerians, 500,000. They would also expand, but at slower rates. This is taking

01:01:04.620 into their own documented fertility rates. So, not great, not ideal. Native British, 80% in

01:01:14.040 2025 would decline to 70% by 2040, due to low fertility rates. And emigration, because we

01:01:22.020 would leave, which we're already seeing. We do see that. So, regional control. Muslims

01:01:27.540 would dominate urban pockets, e.g. Bradford, Birmingham, East London. They already do. This

01:01:33.100 is still the best case scenario. It's basically saying it's going to stay as it is, effectively,

01:01:38.060 with slight change. So, that would form 30-40% of local populations. Indians and Sikhs control

01:01:45.840 economic hubs in West London and Leicester. Rural areas, e.g. Yorkshire, Cornwall, would

01:01:51.800 remain 90% white British, which I could see that happening. Effectively what it is now,

01:01:57.540 anyway. Outcome? No group would fully replace natives, but Muslims and Indians gain disproportionate

01:02:03.820 influence in urban governance due to youth bulges. 25% of under-18s in cities by 2035. It's

01:02:12.580 really, really stark. It's really, really, really stark. There's more. There's a lot. I

01:02:17.000 know, I know, I know you're dying, I know. But let's just get through this. So, ideological

01:02:20.200 and cultural impact. Muslim influence. Pakistani Bangladeshi communities push for Sharia-compliant

01:02:25.420 local policies. They already are. But stop short of theocratic rule. This is the best case

01:02:30.760 scenario due to economic priorities. Somali clans remain insular, focusing on community

01:02:37.020 survival. The Indian and the Sikhs. So, they would promote secularism, economic liberalism,

01:02:42.920 aligning with native moderates to counter Muslim conservatism. Their high education levels, 60%

01:02:49.180 degree educated, cement influence in tech and finance. Native response. Rural natives would

01:02:55.380 embrace reform, UK-style nationalism. Resisting migrant influence, while urban natives adopt

01:03:01.500 multiculturalism to maintain economic stability. Cultural shift. UK remains Christian, secular

01:03:07.440 in name, but urban areas adopt hybrid identities, i.e. Islam. Economic output. Indians and Nigerians

01:03:16.320 would drive urban economies, contributing 20% of GDP through tech, healthcare and finance.

01:03:21.280 Pakistani and Bangladeshis fill low-wage roles. Transport, retail, but unemployment in these

01:03:28.380 groups, 15% strains welfare. Rural economies would rely on native-led agriculture, contributing

01:03:34.660 10% of GDP. An impact GDP would shrink, this is best case, GDP would shrink by 15% due to

01:03:41.580 trade disruptions, but stabilizes as regions form trade packs. Muslim-run cities like Bradford

01:03:47.260 face economic lag due to low-skills. I'm laughing, but I can see all of this happening. Sorry,

01:03:56.680 chime in now, come on. I want to get through the bulk of it.

01:04:00.000 Yeah, well, I was just going to say, I've said it before, I think, even a while ago now,

01:04:04.360 that I think that's what will happen, is it won't, in fact, it won't necessarily just be pockets of

01:04:08.920 foreign people in the cities. Eventually, looking far beyond 2050 or 2060, there will just be pockets

01:04:17.060 of white people, rural villages and towns and hamlets, which are majority white. They become

01:04:23.660 the pockets.

01:04:25.020 Which is effectively what this is, and that's what I can see happening. White flight would occur.

01:04:30.100 Everyone would just leave, which they already have. Everyone's just left these cities and gone,

01:04:33.460 this is just full of detritus. I'm done. I'm done.

01:04:35.620 The other thing I was going to say, which springs to mind, is that we have had similar things like

01:04:40.360 this happen before. So, the first thing that sprung to mind was when the Romans left in 409,

01:04:47.380 410 AD, left, the state just collapsed, effectively, completely collapsed. Any sort of central government

01:04:55.420 just disappeared kind of overnight, almost overnight. Also, during the 6th and 7th centuries,

01:05:05.200 the invasions of the Angles and Saxons and the Jutes, again, some sort of mass, well, civil unrest

01:05:12.500 is putting it kindly. Or even in the very early 12th century, we've got the anarchy, known as the

01:05:19.800 anarchy. The contest between Empress Matilda and Plantagenet versus Stephen of Blois and his

01:05:27.600 progeny. Again, a type of anarchy. There's no central government, really, and certainly no police

01:05:34.440 force or anything in the 12th century. So, Britain has already gone through convulsions of this

01:05:42.140 magnitude. Let's not even mention Viking invasion. Anyway, carry on. So, yeah, economic output. I

01:05:51.920 covered that, didn't we? Sorry. Crime rates. Now, this is interesting. Crime rates and group interactions

01:05:55.640 and governance. So, this is best case scenario. Trends. Urban crime would rise by 20%, even though

01:06:01.200 it's sky high now, but it would rise by 20% with Pakistani Bangladeshi youth overrepresented in gang

01:06:06.400 violence, e.g. drug trafficking, knife crime. Somali groups would engage in clan-based disputes,

01:06:11.240 which they already do. And all of this, sorry, is in the near future. This is by the 2050s or...

01:06:16.100 By 2030. Oh, right. Yeah, yeah. So... How is it that you calculated all of this, or was this just a

01:06:21.080 thought experiment that you put yourself through? So, this was narrowing down all the statistics

01:06:25.400 through AI. All right. So, a probability machine, basically using it for what it's actually designed

01:06:30.280 for. Inputting data and creating probable scenarios, effectively. Just hard facts. That's all it is.

01:06:36.880 It's just taking into account hard facts. So, native far-right militias would

01:06:41.020 target migrant areas, sparking riots. I could... Yeah, I mean, I can see that. Don't condemn it.

01:06:46.920 Mitigation. Regional police, backed by EU training, would reduce crime through community policing.

01:06:52.080 Homicide rates would stabilize at 1.5 per 100,000 by 2030. Group interaction. Well, tensions would

01:06:59.300 flare between Muslim enclaves and native nationalists with sporadic violence. And this is e.g. 2023,

01:07:05.740 less the Hindu-Muslim clashes. So, it's just taking into account some bits like that. Hindu Sikhs

01:07:10.760 act as mediators, leveraging economic clout. Rural natives isolate, limiting conflict, but

01:07:16.120 reinforcing segregation. Corporation, power-sharing councils in mixed cities, e.g. Birmingham,

01:07:23.120 would happen. So, balance between Muslim-Indian and native interests, preventing dominance by any

01:07:28.220 group. This is the best case scenario.

01:07:30.540 And this also, all I have to say, hinges on the idea that enough natives gain some kind

01:07:38.540 of consciousness about their own identity to organize around their own interests without,

01:07:44.680 as is being predicted here, going into the kind of multicultural mindset of an inner city.

01:07:50.780 Yeah. Yeah, no, exactly. Exactly. I mean, yeah, this is the absolute best case scenario.

01:07:54.420 And this looking forward to 2030, of course, history won't end there.

01:08:00.400 No, no. The trajectory will just get worse and worse and worse.

01:08:03.700 There's some on here which is a little bit forward thinking past that as well. So,

01:08:08.680 governance, what would that look like? What would the structure of the government look like?

01:08:11.380 So, the UK would split into effectively five or six micro-states. London, Metro, Northern

01:08:16.580 Union, Celtic Pact, right? So, urban regions adopt inclusive democracies with Muslim and

01:08:22.780 Indian representation, 30% of councils. Rural regions elect nationalist leaders. You can

01:08:28.100 see that happening. Policy, London would legalize Sharia arbitration for civil disputes, while

01:08:33.960 rural areas ban migrant resettlement. National identity fragments with Britishness confined

01:08:40.120 to history. So, global response, how would the rest of the world align with the best case

01:08:46.280 scenario? Well, the EU would support urban micro-states, viewing them as trade partners, but condemns

01:08:52.100 rural nationalism. I can see that. India and Nigeria invest in their, you know, their sort

01:08:58.500 of diasporas. Boosting London's economy. The US offers limited aid, prioritizing NATO stability.

01:09:05.660 Pakistan and Turkey lobby for Muslim enclaves, raising tensions. Outcome, the UK would lose

01:09:10.420 global influence while India replacing it on the UN Security Council. Muslim-majority cities

01:09:15.520 align with Gulf states, while rural regions seek Commonwealth ties.

01:09:19.560 So, that's best case. Middle ground. Ethnic enclaves and a stalemate would occur. So, the UK would

01:09:30.420 descend into a protracted civil war, driven by economic collapse. Native resentment and migrant

01:09:38.660 assertiveness. Balkanization would create ethnic and ideological enclaves, with Muslim groups controlling

01:09:44.700 urban strongholds and natives dominating rural zones. It's just a step up from what we've just

01:09:51.000 covered, basically. Stalemates prevent total collapse, but perpetuate low-level conflict,

01:09:56.460 migration, demographic replacement. And just some figures, right? So, Pakistani, Bangladeshi Muslims

01:10:03.540 would grow to, say, 12% of the population by 2040, forming majorities in exactly the same areas,

01:10:08.800 like Bradford, 60%, Birmingham, 50%, Somalis controlling smaller enclaves. And effectively,

01:10:15.360 it just gets worse and worse and worse and worse and worse as we start to look through this.

01:10:19.980 I won't cover it all because, obviously, it's quite exhaustive.

01:10:23.060 I suspect that it will be very difficult for us on the trajectory we are on today

01:10:27.040 to avoid the Balkanization.

01:10:30.700 The middle ground.

01:10:31.540 Yeah.

01:10:32.120 And sectarian, endless sectarian unrest.

01:10:37.140 So, you can see some of that. So, that's actually a really great point. You can see some of that

01:10:40.040 in the ideological and cultural impact element. So, Muslim influence, Pakistani, Bangladeshi enclaves

01:10:48.020 adopt conservative Islamism. We're already seeing that. We already see that. With 20% of youth

01:10:53.560 radicalized. We already see that. Somalis prioritize clan loyalty, clashing with other Muslims.

01:10:59.920 Sharia law governs Muslim areas, alienating natives. We already see that because they've

01:11:03.600 already created enclaves. Hindus and Sikhs align with native moderates. We already see some of that

01:11:10.100 as well, actually. Right? So, what you've said, this is the Balkanization scenario, the hypothetical.

01:11:17.920 Forming anti-Islamist militias in mixed cities. Their economic success, 40% in professional roles,

01:11:25.440 fuels resentment from poorer Muslims. I could see that as well. Quite frankly.

01:11:32.080 Native response. What would we do? Well, rural natives form far-right militias, e.g. British

01:11:37.680 Dawn, targeting Muslim enclaves. Urban natives would either flee or assimilate into migrant-dominated

01:11:45.420 cities, diluting British identity. Cultural shift. While urban areas become Islamic in character,

01:11:51.780 mosques replace churches. Already seeing that. While rural zones preserve Anglo-Saxon traditions,

01:11:57.900 and the UK splits culturally with no unified identity. So, what would happen economically speaking?

01:12:05.020 Impact GDP would fall by 40%. And London's financial sector would collapse. Hyperinflation,

01:12:12.400 150%. This is the middle ground. Destroy savings, fueling black market trade.

01:12:18.840 So, crime rate, obviously, it would just go through the roof. But governance, right? What would happen

01:12:23.600 governance-wise? Structure. UK would fragment into 10 or 12 enclaves. Muslim warlords would rule

01:12:29.760 Midland cities with Sharia law. Sikh Indian councils would govern London's suburbs. Native warlords

01:12:37.080 control rural fiefdoms and neo-fascist regimes. Scotland and Wales would declare independence, but fracture

01:12:43.280 internally. Yeah, conceal all of that. They don't have... They're still subject to all this stuff.

01:12:48.280 Yeah. Wales and Scotland have got the exact same problems as... Yeah. But they would just go, oh...

01:12:53.960 The demographics aren't anywhere near as bad as England's are, for the time.

01:12:59.100 Not as bad. I mean, their populations to begin with are tiny in comparison, but they will still have

01:13:04.780 enclaves, won't they? Or still already have, I mean. So... So, policy, Muslim enclaves would ban alcohol

01:13:11.100 and enforce dress codes while native zones purge minorities. No national governance exists.

01:13:16.300 Taxation is extortion-based. Global response? Well, how would the rest of the world see us on a trajectory

01:13:22.540 which is highly likely right now? The EU would quarantine the UK, fearing jihadist spillover.

01:13:29.020 We're already seeing that internally in the EU. Right? They are already, you know, the Schengen

01:13:34.780 zone's not there. They sort of stop at the Schengen zone. Right? So we're already seeing that in the EU.

01:13:41.100 So yeah, they would quarantine the UK. They'd be like, no, done. Turkey and Pakistan would arm Muslim

01:13:46.700 enclaves? Why would they not? They arm, like, Iran and stuff like that, they arm the rest of

01:13:53.580 the, you know, the sort of, well, they fuel terrorism in the Arab world, right? So why would

01:13:59.980 Turkey and Pakistan not look to do that in the UK if they could? While India backs seeking Hindu

01:14:05.500 factions, Russia and China would supply weapons to all sides, prolonging chaos. And the US evacuates

01:14:11.020 citizens and abandons bases. Which, yeah, we'd probably see that as well. Outcome, the UK becomes

01:14:17.900 a failed state. Already there. Yeah. Sorry for the black belt. I'm so sorry. With Gulf states funding

01:14:25.580 Muslim enclaves, global trade would bypass the UK and refugee, refugees would overwhelm Commonwealth

01:14:32.220 nations. So the British would just leave. Well, yeah, in a situation like that, I can see

01:14:35.820 Australia in particular being inundated with Englishmen escaping.

01:14:41.740 Well, it's Camp of the Saints territory. Yeah.

01:14:44.940 Where the number, to the point where newly arrived immigrants have got the power to keep,

01:14:50.780 truly keep the borders entirely open. Yeah.

01:14:53.100 And then we're completely flooded. That's not exactly what happens in Camp of the Saints. But

01:14:58.860 yeah, instead of it being a few hundred thousand a year or a million a year, it's millions and

01:15:03.740 millions and millions every year, year on year. Yeah.

01:15:07.660 Yeah. Just spilling over.

01:15:11.420 Worst case scenario. I'll spend a little bit more time on this one.

01:15:14.700 Right. So worst case scenario, Islamic dominance amid anarchy.

01:15:18.460 So the UK would collapse into total civil war with Muslim migrants, empowered by high fertility

01:15:23.900 and radicalization, seizing control of major cities, native populations are decimated or displaced.

01:15:29.500 And the UK becomes a de facto Islamic state in urban areas, kind of already is.

01:15:35.740 With rural zones descending into anarchy, global abandonment would seal its fate as a failed state.

01:15:43.900 Migration and demographic replacement. Right.

01:15:46.060 So dominant groups, Pakistani and Bangladeshi Muslims, it's always the same.

01:15:49.100 It's always the same.

01:15:50.060 So that would be three million in 2025, surged to 20% by 2040, fuelled by unchecked migration,

01:15:58.140 200,000 annually pre-war and native collapse.

01:16:01.580 So Somalis, 300,000 and Syrians, 100,000 formed jihadist strongholds.

01:16:06.300 Indians and Sikhs flee en masse, 80% emigrate while Nigerians scatter.

01:16:11.900 And the native British drop to 50% by 2040 with three million killed or displaced.

01:16:17.740 Regional control, where the Muslims would control London, Birmingham and Manchester,

01:16:22.780 forming 60 to 70% of urban populations.

01:16:26.540 Rural areas, e.g. say Cumbria and Devon, and native holdouts.

01:16:30.700 At least we get the pretty parts.

01:16:32.060 I know, I know, I like Devon, I do like Devon.

01:16:34.860 Again, the parallels, the west and the southwest,

01:16:38.700 where the original Britons fled to during the Anglo and Saxon invasions.

01:16:43.900 Oh, this does take into account other historical situations as well.

01:16:49.260 And also worldwide.

01:16:51.180 So I took into account Balkan and also Lebanon as well. Sorry.

01:16:56.300 I was just saying geography as well.

01:16:57.900 Cumbria being, you know, where the Lake District is.

01:17:02.300 It's easier to hold out, I suppose.

01:17:05.020 Yeah, so they would become holdouts, but they would be depopulated, so 80% white.

01:17:10.540 Ethnic cleansing would kill one million non-Muslims.

01:17:14.140 So the outcome, obviously urban UK becomes majority Muslim by 2050, resembling a fragmented caliphate.

01:17:20.700 Natives are marginalized, surviving in rural wastelands or as refugees.

01:17:25.820 So what would the ideological and cultural impact be?

01:17:28.300 Well, Muslim influence radicalized Pakistani and Bangladeshi youth, 30% jihadist-affiliated,

01:17:33.900 imposed strict Sharia with public executions and gender apartheid.

01:17:38.460 Somali warlords would enforce clan-based theocracy, clashing with South Asians.

01:17:43.420 And Salafist ideologies dominate funded by Saudi and Qatar proxies.

01:17:50.060 So other groups, Indian and Sikh remnants, because bearing in mind most of them are left in this scenario,

01:17:54.620 would form guerrilla resistance, but collapse under Muslim assaults, and native militias adopt genocidal nationalism.

01:18:03.980 I'm not advocating for this, this is just the worst case scenario.

01:18:07.260 I just love how extreme this is.

01:18:09.340 This is the absolute worst.

01:18:10.940 I don't think it could necessarily get this bad, if only because even within countries that are already Islamic,

01:18:19.260 they can't govern themselves to begin with.

01:18:22.220 And even within Islamic countries, like really strict Sharia is difficult for them to enforce in the first place.

01:18:31.740 So cultural shift, urban UK becomes an Islamic state with churches raised, we're already seeing that.

01:18:36.780 And English replaced by Urdu, Arabic and public life, we're already seeing that actually.

01:18:40.860 There are signs in Urdu, so we are already seeing these things.

01:18:44.860 Rural areas cling to pagan Christian remnants, but lack cohesion, you could see that.

01:18:50.940 So what would be the economic output?

01:18:52.540 Well, the sum of it is that GDP would fall by 90%, with no formal economy infrastructure,

01:18:57.900 e.g. the NHS and railways, and the RNLI would collapse and starvation would spread.

01:19:04.620 Crime rates, crime merges with warfare.

01:19:07.180 Fair. Fair.

01:19:09.340 No law exists.

01:19:10.460 Warlords, enslaved survivors.

01:19:13.740 And obviously, you know, sexual assaults and child soldier recruitment are rampant.

01:19:17.420 You see this in the Arabic world anyway.

01:19:21.420 Group interactions.

01:19:22.220 Well, Muslims would wage jihad against natives, cleansing non-Muslims from cities.

01:19:26.780 Somali-Pakistani rivalries spark intra-Muslim wars, weakening their grip.

01:19:31.580 Native militias collapse after urban defeats, resulting to potential terrorism.

01:19:36.940 Indians and Sikhs are eradicated or flee.

01:19:39.180 So the alliances, while Muslims would ally with foreign jihadists, so ISIS remnants,

01:19:44.140 while natives gain no external support, all alliances dissolve into betrayal.

01:19:49.180 Governance.

01:19:49.900 What would it look like?

01:19:50.620 Well, urban UK forms loose Islamic confederacy under rival warlords with Sharia as law.

01:19:57.500 Rural areas are ungoverned wastelands ruled by survivalist gangs.

01:20:02.140 Scotland and Wales collapse into complete and utter tribalism.

01:20:05.740 I'm hearing Mad Max Beyond the Thunderdome type society.

01:20:10.060 Literally say, yeah, it does literally say that.

01:20:11.340 Does it say that?

01:20:11.740 Rural zones descended to Mad Max style panarchy.

01:20:18.780 Global response.

01:20:19.820 Well, the EU bombs jihadist strongholds, fearing a caliphate, but avoids boots on the ground.

01:20:26.540 Gulf states fund Muslim warlords, while Russia and China loot UK assets.

01:20:30.780 And the US declares the UK a terrorist state and blockades it.

01:20:34.380 It's starting to sound like 28 days later.

01:20:38.460 Commonwealth nations collapse under 5 million refugees.

01:20:41.580 And the outcome, the UK is a global pariah with urban areas a jihadist haven and rural zones

01:20:46.540 and wasteland.

01:20:47.100 No nation intervenes, fearing escalation.

01:20:51.980 So, I initially wanted to do a segment on health and fitness being a means to bettering oneself in this current climate.

01:21:01.180 But I was ever so slightly put off by someone.

01:21:04.060 This is what you got.

01:21:04.940 Black pill.

01:21:05.500 Well, two things I would say.

01:21:07.100 Oh, thanks.

01:21:07.900 I'm so glad I'm back after my week off.

01:21:10.700 Cheers.

01:21:11.260 Two things I want to add is that one, even that worst case scenario isn't that insane.

01:21:16.700 If you look at what happened to Yugoslavia, just as one example.

01:21:19.980 Yeah.

01:21:20.300 But the other thing to say is, we can avoid still, at least the worst case scenarios,

01:21:26.060 if we get a government that is pro mass re-migration.

01:21:30.060 Re-migration will save us from the worst excesses of what you've described.

01:21:34.940 Something that has the spine to do it in the first place.

01:21:38.940 Because, fear not friends, even if it were to get to this, the English would not die.

01:21:45.500 The English would re-emerge upon the global stage like a phoenix from the ashes.

01:21:51.260 There are plenty of historical precedents for populations that have existed in territories

01:21:56.620 for even hundreds of years being expelled en masse, even within a lifetime for someone

01:22:03.820 who could still be alive today.

01:22:05.420 You mentioned Yugoslavia.

01:22:07.260 You think of the Germans being expelled from Prussia following the Second World War.

01:22:12.620 England, in its history, has expelled mass populations that had been here for a long time.

01:22:18.060 Spain was able to do it.

01:22:19.980 So even in the worst case scenario, we're not gone.

01:22:23.260 So long as the last Englishman breathes breath, then we're not gone.

01:22:30.220 It's never over.

01:22:31.500 The whole point of the segment was, it's a thought experiment using just raw data.

01:22:38.460 What are the fertility rates?

01:22:39.660 What are the ideological leanings of the individuals with high fertility rates?

01:22:43.980 What is, you know, what's the historical reflections of these individuals and what happens when they

01:22:51.180 gain control and what, you know, what occurs?

01:22:53.660 And it's important to do this, even though it is a black pill.

01:22:56.620 It's really important to do this because anything less than this is pure ignorance.

01:23:01.020 It's really important to have a handle on the potential scenarios that could occur

01:23:07.500 so you can sidestep them and completely avoid them.

01:23:10.940 You know, best case, middle case, worst case.

01:23:13.580 All of this is entirely avoidable.

01:23:15.340 You can stop all of this from happening.

01:23:17.900 And that's why anything less than re-migration, it just doesn't cut it.

01:23:24.380 Well, it's complicity.

01:23:26.300 Yeah, with suicide.

01:23:28.300 Oh, I can't say that word.

01:23:29.100 You know what I mean?

01:23:29.820 Oh, we won't put that bit on YouTube.

01:23:31.340 All right.

01:23:31.820 There you go.

01:23:32.220 Leave me the mouse.

01:23:34.380 What the...

01:23:35.100 Oh, let's go through the rumble rants very quickly first before we do the video comments,

01:23:39.980 Samson.

01:23:40.940 Give everybody who's paid some money to us today their fair chance to be heard.

01:23:45.340 Scott Sciguy, $10, thank you very much.

01:23:48.060 If the UK government collapsed into a failed state, there's parts of Glasgow that genuinely

01:23:52.380 would not notice.

01:23:53.180 You know, and good on them.

01:23:55.820 That's a random name.

01:23:56.780 Ah, yes.

01:23:57.180 Another segment of Harry staring into the void, fed posting in his mind.

01:24:01.020 Worry not, I agree with everything you're thinking of.

01:24:03.260 And in fact, I think you're not extreme enough.

01:24:06.220 Do better, Chud.

01:24:07.420 Thank you for the encouragement.

01:24:08.780 I will.

01:24:10.060 That's a random name is sent to others as well.

01:24:12.700 Do not despair, friends.

01:24:13.820 Things always seem the worst before they improve.

01:24:15.660 The current hardships will serve to harden us and lead us to a new golden age.

01:24:19.900 Never stand in the presence of evil, and my Bulgarian ancestors were enslaved brutally

01:24:24.860 by the Ottomans.

01:24:25.900 Look up the Janissaries.

01:24:27.180 Oh, okay.

01:24:27.740 They survived this.

01:24:29.740 You guys will survive and come out stronger from it.

01:24:32.220 Reform the U-

01:24:33.500 uh, the Empire, Cannes, UK.

01:24:36.140 With a little

01:24:39.500 emojis going on.

01:24:40.860 All right, time for the video comments.

01:24:45.420 Samson, get the video comments up quick.

01:24:48.460 Let's not have dead air.

01:24:51.020 Let's go.

01:24:51.420 We're going down to see the local swimming hole.

01:24:54.700 This is wonderful.

01:24:56.380 The blue lagoon of Daravi.

01:25:00.380 You can see the garbage slopes of the blue lagoon.

01:25:04.060 I think someone in the distance there has taken a poopy.

01:25:07.580 And, uh, bask in its glory.

01:25:11.820 Ah.

01:25:13.100 That's disgusting.

01:25:13.740 It's not funny, really, is it?

01:25:14.780 That's disgusting.

01:25:16.540 It is kind of funny, though.

01:25:17.660 We've done a massive trade deal with them as well.

01:25:20.540 Is there, is there a, genuinely curious, is there a clean river in India?

01:25:25.180 Because what, I, I don't know if we're just getting selection bias of the clips that come

01:25:29.660 out on social media and that gets shared everywhere.

01:25:32.220 Is there a clean river in India?

01:25:34.380 Or is it all like this?

01:25:35.580 Because there is that game that you can play on Google Maps where you drop the little guy

01:25:39.100 down into Street View at random and you win if the entire street isn't completely filled

01:25:44.700 with rubbish.

01:25:45.660 And it seems like a very difficult game to win.

01:25:48.780 Uh, so, you know, enlighten me.

01:25:52.140 Where's the nice bits of India where it's genuinely beautiful and clean?

01:25:55.420 It really is a striking pattern to notice once you've noticed it.

01:26:00.540 A striking pattern.

01:26:01.900 Not allowed to notice.

01:26:02.620 Um, that in the third world, all over the place, not just India, but all over the place.

01:26:06.700 Uh, the inability to maintain hygiene.

01:26:10.540 Yeah.

01:26:11.500 Be clean.

01:26:12.220 Yeah.

01:26:12.620 Yeah.

01:26:13.740 Like, what, what is that?

01:26:16.140 Why, why that?

01:26:16.940 Of all things, of all traits, of all patterns, why, why that?

01:26:21.660 Why is it like, ah, God.

01:26:25.020 I'm not, I don't pay much attention to the things that he says all the time, but there

01:26:30.540 is a very good Bronze Age pervert tweet about this, where he just says, some people will never

01:26:35.820 forgive the Anglo for teaching his ancestors to use a knife and fork and go to the toilet.

01:26:40.700 Yeah.

01:26:41.180 They're really resentful that we clean things up and have everything squared away.

01:26:45.740 I've said this before, like when you go on holiday to the third world, or even, even

01:26:50.060 just somewhere like Spain or Italy, you go there and their, um, like their, their, uh,

01:26:57.020 telephone lines and power cables are like a clown show.

01:27:00.380 Yeah.

01:27:00.860 Yeah.

01:27:01.340 Everything isn't nice and squared away, done properly, the right tool for the right job.

01:27:05.900 Mm.

01:27:06.460 And you go to America or Australia, it's like, it's like Britain.

01:27:10.460 Well, Germany, where everything is done correctly and cleaned up and squared away.

01:27:16.460 Um, it just, it's a, it's a striking thing when you travel around the world, you get off

01:27:21.980 a plane and you really, you quite quickly realize, oh, this place is a, is a dump.

01:27:25.740 This place is a ship hole or something.

01:27:27.420 This is why Europe is the best, but in particular, Northwest Europe is the best.

01:27:32.780 Sorry, Mads.

01:27:33.260 You go to Scandinavian countries.

01:27:35.420 Perfect.

01:27:36.380 Yeah.

01:27:36.860 Sorry, Mads.

01:27:37.660 I love you.

01:27:38.700 You are European, but only just.

01:27:44.700 And here we are at the old English pub.

01:27:46.620 You turn it up a bit sometimes.

01:27:48.220 This is the interior of the book.

01:27:56.140 There's my dad and you are enjoying your Guinness.

01:28:04.060 That's a very nice looking pub.

01:28:06.060 Yeah.

01:28:07.060 It's a classic, typical pub, right?

01:28:08.060 Yeah.

01:28:09.060 In a rural area.

01:28:10.060 Oh, is it in America?

01:28:11.020 Yeah, it's in America.

01:28:12.060 Oh, but it's an American English-themed pub.

01:28:14.060 It's an American English-themed pub.

01:28:16.380 I think they don't.

01:28:17.180 They've got it quite, it's very authentic then.

01:28:18.380 They don't really well with that.

01:28:19.580 That's nicely themed.

01:28:20.060 Yeah, it's authentic.

01:28:20.940 They don't really well with that.

01:28:21.980 Yeah.

01:28:22.980 It's a game.

01:28:24.980 It looks like it.

01:28:26.980 Looks like it's quite in-depth.

01:28:30.980 Oh, yeah, isn't it?

01:28:54.980 There you go.

01:28:56.980 Check out the demo for that, folks.

01:28:58.980 Looks all right.

01:29:01.300 It does look fun.

01:29:01.540 He's found whole new products to sell using his video comments.

01:29:07.140 You know, I respect it.

01:29:08.820 I respect the grind.

01:29:11.220 That's why he's like 30 pounds a month is the cheapest advertising platform I've ever got my hands on.

01:29:18.660 I wonder if the point of the game is to destroy the organism.

01:29:21.700 You're the virus.

01:29:23.140 Or whether you're like the white cell.

01:29:25.060 He said you're a T cell seep-down path and destroy them.

01:29:30.100 He did say that.

01:29:30.900 So that's good.

01:29:31.620 We're going to take an extra five minutes at least, Samson, all right?

01:29:38.340 All right?

01:29:39.380 Yeah, yeah.

01:29:39.780 Okay, good.

01:29:40.900 So I'll read out some of the video comments from today's podcast.

01:29:44.260 Cumbrian Kulak, shout out to Bo and Mr. H.

01:29:49.060 Give State of Politics a follow.

01:29:50.940 Some hilarious comments that you've both made.

01:29:53.940 Ah, yes.

01:29:54.720 There's Mr. H. Reviews.

01:29:55.900 Check out Mr. H. Reviews.

01:29:57.240 But also The State of Politics, which is me and Nate doing a politics-themed channel, which we post most days.

01:30:03.460 There's a little video.

01:30:05.600 Yeah, people seem to like it.

01:30:06.620 We're just trying to get it off the ground.

01:30:07.880 So thanks for mentioning that.

01:30:09.520 Cumbrian Kulak.

01:30:10.440 Appreciate it.

01:30:11.140 Yeah, check it out.

01:30:12.700 Connor Crosby, been watching the show for almost a year now.

01:30:16.220 Best five pound I ever spent.

01:30:17.580 Keep up the good work, lads.

01:30:19.000 Thank you very much.

01:30:20.240 Biggie Bigfoot, a show about wrestling and metal.

01:30:23.900 They go together very well.

01:30:25.520 We're eating good today, lads.

01:30:27.640 Yeah, I remember back in, well, I don't remember, but I've watched it in the late 90s when all of the theme songs were starting to be done by, like, at the time, legitimate heavy metal bands.

01:30:37.880 Like, Disturbed did a version of Stone Cold, Steve Austin's theme that he used to come out to.

01:30:44.200 Didn't Lemmy from Motorhead do Triple H?

01:30:46.460 Yeah, he did a few themes for Triple H.

01:30:50.440 Undertaker, for a while, came out to Roland by Limp Bizkit.

01:30:53.160 Oh, yeah.

01:30:54.640 Yeah.

01:30:55.020 It was a glorious time.

01:30:56.600 I remember that.

01:30:57.140 And now all of the themes are rubbish.

01:30:59.820 They're crap, frankly.

01:31:01.420 Do you want to go through your comments?

01:31:03.120 If you want.

01:31:03.740 Mr. H Reviews Stolen Car, that's the name.

01:31:08.960 He's coming back to haunt you, Dick.

01:31:11.460 There's a TV show on Channel 4 all about the RNLI in Dover.

01:31:15.000 They very rarely cover rescuing boat migrants, but they do always usually just call them vulnerable people without any question about the RNLI helping them.

01:31:23.200 Right.

01:31:23.500 Corex80 says, just saving lives, not little girls' lives, obviously.

01:31:28.080 Yeah, right.

01:31:28.920 Yeah, that's the thing I tweeted at them.

01:31:30.600 It's like, oh, it's all very well to say you're just saving lives, but what about the people that you're not just saving their lives?

01:31:35.700 You're actually ferrying them across some sort of taxi service who go on to commit unbelievably sickening crimes.

01:31:42.340 What about that?

01:31:43.760 Yeah.

01:31:44.440 They won't address that.

01:31:45.620 They won't address that.

01:31:46.400 I suspect they'll just stonewall my tweet.

01:31:50.560 Daniel Butcher said, we once blockaded most of Europe for a decade or so.

01:31:54.600 How have we got to the point where we can't even protect our own shoreline with rowboats, from rowboats?

01:32:00.180 Yeah.

01:32:00.440 No, absolutely.

01:32:01.380 Good question.

01:32:02.120 It's very deliberate.

01:32:03.200 The Royal Navy could do that in one day if it wanted to.

01:32:05.800 Yeah, it will.

01:32:06.540 They're choosing not to.

01:32:07.820 Whether you want to or not.

01:32:08.560 Okay, one more.

01:32:09.420 Man of Kent says, could a future government go after the charities and NGOs and change them from the accessory to aiding or participation in human trafficking?

01:32:22.480 Again, they could do that if they wanted to.

01:32:24.540 A government that had balls and the will to do something like that could.

01:32:29.180 You just make it a law.

01:32:30.300 Don't help people.

01:32:31.320 Charities like to skirt the line all the time.

01:32:33.500 Like the way that if you read that excellent article, I forget the publication it was in, but the enormous Hope Not Hate article expose.

01:32:41.720 Hope Not Hate like to shroud everything that they do by being a journalistic wing and a charity wing and separate themselves into loads of different entities.

01:32:50.140 So that in terms of the charity, they can have all the money funnel into that and then they disperse the funds throughout the rest of the larger organization without having to hold the charity to the same kind of regulation that the journalistic wing of it would do.

01:33:07.780 Because a charity is not allowed to have a political bent to it one way or the other, but that's why it's separate from the journal.

01:33:14.120 So there's loads of ways that people try and take advantage of the systems that we have in the UK that a government that actually cared enough to do so would be able to investigate and say, well, clearly you're breaking the rules.

01:33:26.060 You are committing fraud of some kind.

01:33:28.260 But they just don't.

01:33:29.220 They just don't.

01:33:29.820 Because Hope Not Hate and other organizations like that belong to the government anyway.

01:33:33.260 Mr. H Reviews Stolen Car is feeling very chatty today.

01:33:36.300 He says, Ozzy Osbourne finished the farewell tour and was like, I bloody mean it.

01:33:41.260 Yeah, that's true.

01:33:41.920 He's like, oh, Harry, you think I'm going to come back for a few more?

01:33:44.980 Like old Mick and Keith, eh?

01:33:46.760 Nope.

01:33:48.260 And then he just died.

01:33:49.840 Electric Boogaloo.

01:33:50.880 Ozzy seems to have gone out the same way as Bowie, who died two days after his final album released.

01:33:55.160 Yes.

01:33:56.520 Love David Bowie.

01:33:57.400 By the way, true musical icon with so many good albums under his belt.

01:34:02.340 They didn't draw any attention to their illness, just kept making music and then passed on when they had given it all they could.

01:34:07.740 That is the destiny of a true artist.

01:34:09.440 I still tear up watching the final moments of Lazarus, where Bowie retreats into the wardrobe and closes the door on himself.

01:34:15.640 His death honestly hit me harder than the passing of the Queen.

01:34:17.960 We don't get icons like this anymore.

01:34:19.800 They're all managed imitations.

01:34:21.120 You have to play it safe.

01:34:22.500 Everything's plastic.

01:34:23.560 Yeah, I can agree with that.

01:34:24.800 It was only after Bowie died that I really started to look through his back catalogue and there's just so many, so many classics back there that it kind of retroactively become emotional to me.

01:34:35.160 Lord Nerevar, I work in central Birmingham, as I've mentioned before, and even in its current multi-culti disaster zone state, the death of Ozzy was devastating.

01:34:43.700 You could feel the grief in the air the day we got the news.

01:34:46.100 We truly lost a real one.

01:34:48.420 And I'll try and read one or two more.

01:34:50.620 Here we go.

01:34:53.300 Lord Inquisitor Hector Rex, and I love this one.

01:34:56.000 If you saw me smirking earlier, it's because I accidentally clocked this.

01:34:59.580 Hulk Hogan's best quote.

01:35:01.120 Hulk Hogan has a 10-inch penis.

01:35:03.780 Terry Bollea does not.

01:35:05.680 No, I do not have a 10-inch.

01:35:07.140 That is quite funny.

01:35:10.840 That's amazing.

01:35:11.420 I bet he said that in court.

01:35:13.000 I bet he was questioned directly on how big his penis was, and he had to give that answer.

01:35:18.600 I always think it's funny when people, nearly always, when they refer to themselves in the third person as some sort of joke.

01:35:23.540 Yeah.

01:35:24.020 Like Nixon would sometimes talk about Nixon.

01:35:28.480 Anyway.

01:35:29.300 Yeah.

01:35:29.940 Do you want to read some of yours?

01:35:31.400 Yeah, yeah, go on then.

01:35:32.340 So, Michael Draybelbiss, I think his name is the best.

01:35:38.880 When are you going to bite the bullet and join the Lotus Eaters as a full-time contributor, not just a guest?

01:35:44.920 There is no space to be a full-time contributor.

01:35:48.360 However, it's looking like I will be on for a monthly segment as a regular, a regular monthly contributor.

01:35:57.300 So, not full-time, but full-time monthly.

01:36:00.780 At least.

01:36:01.680 At least.

01:36:02.080 At least, yeah, and cover yourself like that.

01:36:04.140 So, you will see me around here a little bit more, for sure.

01:36:07.280 So, hopefully, you like that, I guess.

01:36:08.900 Eventually, the irony will be there'll be a full week of just Nate and Josh, because nobody else will be in that week.

01:36:16.260 One day, yeah.

01:36:18.680 What have we got here?

01:36:20.320 I'll just, I'll please you.

01:36:21.700 Mr. H Review's stolen car.

01:36:23.280 As soon as conflict begins in Britain, hypothetically, the reduction of food imports would begin famine within a week.

01:36:29.560 Our population is too high and our ability to feed it too low.

01:36:32.500 We simply cannot sustain such a high number of people.

01:36:35.480 Yeah, agree.

01:36:36.640 Agree.

01:36:37.640 Do I know where all of my local farm shops are?

01:36:40.380 Yeah.

01:36:40.860 Annie Moss says, I disagree with Mr. H on the composition of the UK.

01:36:43.340 The only reason the UK was invaded was for cash.

01:36:45.700 If there is no cash, many would self-deport, as they have no reason to be in the UK.

01:36:49.600 And let's face it, many don't like it because they like their origin so much.

01:36:53.680 So, yeah, I mean, I agree that's definitely a worthwhile thing.

01:36:56.440 This was just the worst-case scenario if we were to enter a civil war-like state.

01:37:01.320 So, yeah, I mean, I agree, like, cash incentives are a huge proponent of people coming here.

01:37:09.100 I don't dispute that.

01:37:10.240 Absolutely not.

01:37:11.120 Although I do think it's wishful thinking that people would just exit once it dries up

01:37:14.780 because there would be more opportunistic in other ways.

01:37:17.860 I also think that even in a degraded state, that the kind of stability that the UK would offer,

01:37:23.820 as well as opportunity, like you're saying, would still be preferable to many of them

01:37:28.380 than going back to where they came from.

01:37:30.040 Because a lot of the time, the class that we get coming here are oftentimes,

01:37:35.020 even from these more unstable third-world states,

01:37:38.000 we're getting the criminal scum of those countries in the first place.

01:37:42.440 Yeah, the countries don't want them either.

01:37:44.060 Think of all of the people that we've been told the ECHR say we can't send them back

01:37:49.400 because their home country will execute them for crimes they've committed here.

01:37:52.920 Those are the kinds of people that we're taking in.

01:37:55.500 Yeah, yeah, 100%.

01:37:57.320 Last one, Naomi Roberts says,

01:38:00.140 visited some of the historic villages around Birmingham last week.

01:38:02.840 My heart goes out to the English people.

01:38:04.460 They're a minority living amongst invaders with symbols of oppression everywhere.

01:38:08.460 I can't even bring myself to make fun of my English husband anymore.

01:38:11.180 As a Northern Irish woman, things are bad.

01:38:14.040 Don't give up making fun of your husband.

01:38:17.860 Keep that up, at least.

01:38:19.220 Yeah, he's got to show he can take it, right?

01:38:21.360 If we're expecting to take the country back at some point,

01:38:24.580 then he's going to have to show he can at least take a few jabs here and there.

01:38:27.940 He's got to test his mettle.

01:38:29.200 Anyway, on that note, thank you all very, very much for watching.

01:38:33.620 Don't forget about Common Sense Crusade tomorrow.

01:38:36.800 Check out my gig if you can get tickets for the Times Standing Strength,

01:38:42.640 August 30th, which is a Saturday in London.

01:38:47.780 Check out tickets online.

01:38:49.340 Code LOTUSPASS for £5 off.

01:38:51.540 And check out your show.

01:38:53.760 Oh, yeah, State of Politics.

01:38:54.800 Really good channel.

01:38:55.580 It's like 2,500 subscribers.

01:38:58.740 Check it out.

01:38:59.580 It's good fun.

01:39:00.180 It's good fun.

01:39:00.640 It's pretty unbridled.

01:39:02.560 So you'll have a good time there, for sure.

01:39:03.580 And while we're doing this, and History Bro, my own channel.

01:39:06.620 That too.

01:39:07.680 What?

01:39:09.560 No, check out History Bro.

01:39:10.840 If you want straight up history-themed content with me, your History Bro,

01:39:15.840 then there's also that.

01:39:19.400 Check that out, History Bro.

01:39:20.460 Yeah, I think we've got all the plugs in.

01:39:22.000 Are we done with the shilling, boys?

01:39:24.580 All right.

01:39:25.380 Do it.

01:39:25.940 Now go away.

01:39:26.700 Go away.

The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - July 29, 2025

The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1218

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