The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1222

00:00:00.160 Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen. Welcome to the podcast, The Lotus Eaters, for Monday, the 4th of August, 2025.

00:00:05.860 I'm joined by Alan Miller from the Together Initiative. Hello, Alan. How are you doing?

00:00:09.300 Very good, thank you. Thanks for having me here.

00:00:10.860 Right. And Rupert Lowe, MP for Great Yarmouth and social media troublemaker, Rupert. I've heard so many bad things about you.

00:00:18.140 Well, don't forget leader of Restore Britain, Carl.

00:00:21.220 Oh, good point.

00:00:21.820 Very important.

00:00:22.360 The founder and leader of Restore Britain, which, to be honest with you, we've been promoting it quite heavily, so everyone already...

00:00:27.420 You've been a great friend to us, and it's going very well, so we're delighted to say thanks for all your help.

00:00:32.800 Wonderful. Well, I'm really glad to hear it, because I think something needs to be done.

00:00:36.720 We need a movement of as many people as possible who agree that we need radical change, and the bigger the movement, the more powerful we become.

00:00:45.140 And we can then hopefully make common sense prevail, because it certainly doesn't prevail at the moment.

00:00:50.480 Oh, God.

00:00:50.900 We'd all rudely agree.

00:00:52.040 And we're going to cover the events of the weekend today, which have been as disappointing as one might imagine.

00:01:00.620 Obviously, people go out and rightfully have been protesting, and the government's response has been, right, okay, these are terrorists.

00:01:07.380 So we'll cover that shortly.

00:01:09.380 Before we do, the latest issue of Islander magazine is out.

00:01:12.840 Go and buy it.

00:01:13.700 It's amazing.

00:01:14.480 I've written an article.

00:01:15.300 There are a bunch of articles in there, actually.

00:01:16.480 They're all really good.

00:01:17.500 I read it over the weekend.

00:01:18.400 It was incredible, actually.

00:01:19.580 And I'm going to do a video on it.

00:01:20.940 But anyway, let's begin.

00:01:22.740 So, over the weekend, there were a large number of protests across the country, as the Financial Times point out.

00:01:40.300 These were in Birmingham, Manchester, Leeds.

00:01:42.500 There have been demonstrations in Canary Wharf, Islington, and apparently something still carrying on in Epping as well.

00:01:49.280 This was obviously triggered by the initial protests in Epping, where an illegal boat migrant was alleged to have sexually assaulted three counts of sexual assault on children.

00:02:02.620 And people have just had enough of this.

00:02:05.440 They've just absolutely had enough.

00:02:07.260 And I think that they're right to be protesting.

00:02:09.340 This whole charade has been such an education in who the country is run for.

00:02:17.040 I think that, really, it's just got to the point where, no, we just have to draw a line here and say, right, no, these people have to go back, which I know you have quite a hard line on at this point.

00:02:27.660 Well, we, as you, I think we've got a fairly consistent track record, Carl, of challenging.

00:02:32.460 I mean, the root cause of all this, as we know, is uncontrolled mass legal and illegal immigration.

00:02:39.140 Right.

00:02:39.840 And, you know, we've gradually had to drag the statistics out of the civil service by asking parliamentary questions, which we've used, I think, quite effectively.

00:02:48.220 I think we've asked well over a thousand.

00:02:50.220 It has been.

00:02:50.620 So it's actually shocking to see the faces of the front bench ministers, particularly Yvette Cooper and, to some extent, Andrew Eagle, who basically almost deny what's going on.

00:03:04.980 I actually think they don't know the stats.

00:03:07.320 So I think what we've been doing is dragging the truth out of the civil service.

00:03:11.320 As you know, we are run, I think, now by the permanent secretaries, not by the elected government.

00:03:17.520 So the permanent secretaries and everybody, I always say, should mug up on who they are.

00:03:22.160 People like Antonio Romeo and people like that are the ones who effectively run the country.

00:03:28.860 There's a little cabal of them.

00:03:30.280 They're unelected.

00:03:31.740 They don't like their names being mentioned.

00:03:34.180 And parliament exists as a bit of a charade.

00:03:36.380 But I think what we're doing gradually is lifting the veil on some of this data, confirming the link between crime and immigration, and obviously highlighting the deficiencies of the way in which the country is run.

00:03:51.820 And I did an FOI on myself to HMRC, which I got an answer to.

00:03:57.100 It was sitting on my desk this morning.

00:03:59.460 And you know what?

00:04:00.800 I think we're doing this for the people who've paid vast amounts of tax.

00:04:05.160 And I was actually shocked by how much tax I paid.

00:04:07.880 Yeah, me too.

00:04:08.400 Just in the last 10 years.

00:04:10.860 You look through it, and what value am I getting from this malign state who's supposed to be protecting my interests? 0.93

00:04:18.660 And I think everybody who is paying tax, everybody who voted for Brexit, should be questioning why it is that their elected government doesn't seem to be working in their best interests.

00:04:32.660 And I guess these events over the weekend, which I haven't really seen a huge amount of.

00:04:39.440 It's entirely about that.

00:04:40.520 Other than on social media, you don't see it in the mainstream media.

00:04:44.840 It's entirely about that.

00:04:46.000 I think entirely justified.

00:04:49.140 And in a country that is supposed to respect free speech.

00:04:53.720 Keir Starmer tells us we've got free speech when he was interviewed with, doing an interview with Donald Trump.

00:04:59.040 He basically told a porky.

00:05:02.380 So, look, it's very concerning.

00:05:04.500 And I think people have every right to peacefully protest about the fact they're not getting what they should be getting from their government.

00:05:12.800 What do you make of the channel crossings and the kind of people who are coming across?

00:05:17.440 Well, I think it's become fairly evident to almost everyone in Britain that they are men of a certain age and we don't know very much about many of them.

00:05:29.440 And so that's why I think it's beyond just that we have free speech.

00:05:34.860 It's that I'm actually really inspired by people locally, by the women primarily, but all of the community, but women, mothers that are saying this is our families and in lots of areas.

00:05:47.380 And they're saying this is not acceptable.

00:05:49.460 We don't want to see it here.

00:05:50.960 And they're articulating something that the mainstream press and a lot of the technocrats have said you're not allowed to say that.

00:05:57.600 And not only have they said you're not allowed to say it, but they implement measures to enforce a kind of two tier moment where you get some people have been imprisoned for saying things on social media.

00:06:07.300 We see that in your point, Rupert, about the civil service, the Home Office chastising and preventing, apparently, Robert Jemmerich from raising questions, asking questions about the sorts of people that were coming over.

00:06:19.700 We've seen that we've got 250 or so ideologues that are running the civil service.

00:06:25.560 And frankly, so that's a huge problem.

00:06:28.940 But we've also got guided ideologues.

00:06:30.820 Indeed, but there are ideologues that are dominated by DEI and ESG and a hatred for the public, the great unwashed, the great British public.

00:06:42.920 And alongside that, you've got elected technocrats, in my opinion, who also have got contempt largely for the public.

00:06:51.140 And we see that not just with things like the Online Safety Act and how that's been weaponized, but the public can see it.

00:06:58.940 A two tier approach from policing and the judiciary being weaponized, how things are discussed, what is related and what is not.

00:07:06.200 A contempt for the public, which, and now even these discussions that riots are about to happen, it's almost like seeding and pushing this idea, almost as though they want that to happen.

00:07:15.900 But actually, what's really been inspiring as well is doing the hokey cokey and saying, you know, we shall not be moved does not look like acts of terror.

00:07:26.360 Of course, it's quite inspiring. It's got a jolly good bit of British comedy and humor in it as well, but a bit of backbone.

00:07:31.740 And I think that everyday people look at this and say, yeah, I agree with you.

00:07:36.720 And this is just outrageous, the way this is being presented to us.

00:07:40.220 We're being mugged off, basically, and it's not OK.

00:07:42.940 And it's going to change and it has to stop.

00:07:45.000 You know, you've hit on a bunch of the points that we're going to cover in a second, actually.

00:07:48.080 So what's interesting in this article is the Financial Times spoke to some local people in Canary Wharf, which is not a sort of it's it's it's a business area of the country.

00:07:59.260 But even there, you've got Maxie, who is an IT worker who rents a high rise there.

00:08:04.540 And she says, well, I'm worried that this would create lots of crime, bag theft, the gig economy fraud, all the way up to robbery, arson, sexual assault, rape and even murder.

00:08:14.060 These are valid complaints. These are valid concerns.

00:08:16.620 You've got Rachel, who lives in council accommodation near there, who she says she's seen rubbish thrown from the windows, as well as people who she believed were from the hotel making lewd gestures at her and her children.

00:08:28.460 We need to stop letting people into the country and get to the root cause of what's going on. 1.00

00:08:32.180 And she had to add at the end, I don't have any strong political allegiances because, of course, she's going to be called far right for having this concern, which is just OK.

00:08:41.820 Well, if everyone's far right, then you've made far right normal. Far right is just literally normal people.

00:08:47.300 Now, there was there was the far right out in Manchester, actually.

00:08:52.040 This was a rally organized by Britain First.

00:08:56.140 I've been to a fair number of very large scale protests in my time.

00:09:00.240 I've spoken at a bunch of them.

00:09:01.960 And so I've always had a good view from the stage and see how far back these go.

00:09:05.760 So the BBC said there's about 1,500 people.

00:09:09.040 I'd put it about more than 5,000 people, actually.

00:09:12.000 This this is a large number of people.

00:09:14.800 And so this this.

00:09:16.920 Yeah, well, you're going to get actually what is the far right out in the streets.

00:09:20.960 But conversely, if you actually look at the other protests, you can see it's just normal local people.

00:09:27.580 And as you can see from the plethora of English flags, they are the English out in the streets protesting, one of the least heard groups in all of British politics, for some reason.

00:09:39.900 They're just normal people.

00:09:41.100 This is the the conga line that you were talking about.

00:09:43.640 It's just as completely normal as anything you can imagine.

00:09:57.640 Just mums and grandmums.

00:10:00.120 Yeah, I mean, I think so that becomes obvious.

00:10:03.800 I think what's interesting is how it has not been represented in the press or when it is, it's presented in a very particular way.

00:10:10.280 Some have attempted to interview people and there's a bit more of a recognition now because the tone and the temperature in the country is different.

00:10:19.320 So you can say all sorts of things that up until five minutes ago were almost unsayable.

00:10:24.820 And I thought it was quite interesting.

00:10:26.540 I mean, Spike did quite an interesting video interview of a series of people because, you know, there were people that themselves have been migrants historically, but they came legally.

00:10:35.440 And they said, we love Britain.

00:10:37.100 We love England.

00:10:37.820 And we're here.

00:10:38.280 And we're very concerned with these issues.

00:10:39.980 And they were from all parts of the world, as it happens, because people sometimes want to talk about colour and things like that.

00:10:45.820 And I think the thing about integration and values and enlightenment values and everyone became very, not everyone, the elite in this country who dominated in the universities and the political arena became, they were ashamed of being British and Britishness.

00:11:00.700 And there are all these kind of discussions about values and who are we, but the Enlightenment ideals and Magna Carta and common law and all the things that like inspired freedom, privacy, that really foundational things that we've got so much to be proud about.

00:11:15.240 And we've given to the world and we've given to the world and as it happens was the nation with the Royal Navy that got rid of slavery.

00:11:19.900 And yet, yeah, all these things we're taught at schools and across the board that, oh, it's disgusting, British, the British Empire. 0.69

00:11:25.840 So I think what we're seeing now is a reckoning of a lot of these things.

00:11:29.240 We're having a kind of public clash where this is thrown out.

00:11:32.720 And some people will want to present it as the disgusting, the deplorables, the great unwashed, dangerous, gammon, it's like Brexit gone mad, right?

00:11:42.500 The gammon man's coming out, white gammon man, white van man.

00:11:46.480 But, you know, the backbone of this country, the British public, we know who our friends and neighbours and colleagues are.

00:11:52.280 And we know how we generally conduct ourselves.

00:11:54.320 And that's not to say that there aren't a few people like we've seen.

00:11:57.720 And that's from people perhaps who might call themselves far right, as people on the far left do behave.

00:12:03.200 But the people that are locals and protesting here, they resonate with much of the nation.

00:12:08.480 And I think that it's it's really it's very encouraging.

00:12:12.160 And I think that the authorities need to reflect on this and the government, whoever is going to cause they're not going to be around for long, this government.

00:12:19.080 But right now, what happens is going to make an enormous difference.

00:12:23.040 And this knee jerking, reactive, banning things, shutting people down to to you, reinforce that and make people feel like they can't have a voice.

00:12:31.100 That's very dangerous. We must avoid that.

00:12:33.900 We'll come to that in a minute as well. What do you think of all this?

00:12:36.560 Well, first of all, Carl, these people are not far right.

00:12:41.000 I mean, I think this label waving an English flag is this far this.

00:12:44.380 I think they're patriots.

00:12:45.840 Of course, they're patriots. They care about their country.

00:12:47.720 So I so and again, I object to being called far right myself.

00:12:52.420 I mean, I think Gen Z, I'm learning is far more right wing than I am. 0.85

00:12:56.700 I mean, I'm I'm a sort of tail end baby boomer.

00:13:00.220 And and, you know, I think it's the young people who've had a bad deal.

00:13:04.880 And I think we need to try and help them to live their lives and enjoy the country that we've all enjoyed for a long time.

00:13:12.360 They're entitled.

00:13:13.100 I hate these labels.

00:13:14.400 They are in a way created by what I would call the left wing to try and denigrate people who basically want their country back.

00:13:26.960 And I and therefore I don't agree with that.

00:13:29.060 First of all, I think the real problem we've got is, I think, as a nation, we've become dishonest.

00:13:37.640 And and when you become dishonest, you you and I think there's no greater example of that dishonesty than what we're uncovering with our rape gang crowdfunder, which, as you know, we raised over six hundred thousand pounds for from over 20,000 people.

00:13:54.740 And we're finding this was happening systemically across the country.

00:13:59.460 And if police had linked their databases, they would they knew I think they knew.

00:14:04.280 And there are accusations that some of them were involved.

00:14:07.580 So I think there's no greater deception than a country that's supposed to be protecting the most vulnerable people who chooses to cross the street and walk along the other side looking the other way.

00:14:22.920 When you've got for over 25 years, young, white, working class girls being systematically raped by by by Pakistani Muslims. 1.00

00:14:34.300 And so so so I I will largely Pakistani Muslims or a few other Afghanis and Bangladeshis.

00:14:39.960 But on the whole, this is a cultural issue, which, for whatever reason, I think we know the reasons that the state sees itself, I think, as the as as the guardian of global welfare rather than the welfare of the British people.

00:14:56.920 And hence, you had this post-war plan for open borders, immigration.

00:15:02.080 And again, Tony Blair embodied a lot of that through the Human Rights Act.

00:15:06.860 So did the conservative, you know, he distorted relationships between individuals through the Equality Act and a number of other acts which all need to be repealed, which the Tories should have done.

00:15:17.320 So I think people are justified in turning out.

00:15:22.620 And I think they've got to stand up for what they love for their country.

00:15:27.540 And that's why I set up Restore Britain, because I think if the body of decent, fair minded, extremely modest British people don't start standing out for themselves, they are going to lose their country and they're going to lose it to a dishonest government run by dishonest people who are ultimately not out for the best interests of the British people.

00:15:50.980 They're out for their own interests. And, you know, I think it's in a way everybody's duty to stand up now.

00:15:59.300 And you and I were saying before we started that where are all the English patriots who basically should be standing up, who should be and used to, you know, the Lord Salisbury's, the Churchill's, the Thatcher's, the people who basically,

00:16:15.440 and as you say, Alan, the people who ran the empire, which I know is now denigrated by the left,

00:16:22.680 but it was actually an incredibly altruistic empire, if you compare it with the Belgian colonization, or the German colonization, or the French colonization.

00:16:36.100 So look, I, and again, it's a different period of history.

00:16:39.420 So I think collectively, now is the time for people to stand up and be counted and put peacefully, they need to do it peacefully, but they need to do it in huge numbers.

00:16:50.800 And then this, this deception, which has been going on, will ultimately die.

00:16:58.080 Yes. But the, you can see the, the people waving the England flags are just very normal people.

00:17:03.520 These are not wide-eyed, frothing lunatics. They're just the regular English people who just are sick of being taken advantage of.

00:17:10.820 Fellow countrymen, that's what they are.

00:17:12.180 Exactly. They're our fellow countrymen, and it is on our backs that this is all being done.

00:17:16.120 We're the ones paying the egregious levels of tax that is just being funneled to the people who they're actually bussing in, in fact.

00:17:26.860 Have I got the link to that? I don't have a link to that, I reckon.

00:17:29.500 But anyway, so here are the counter-protesters. Let's, let's have a look at some of these, of their finest.

00:17:36.280 We're going to be matched now.

00:17:45.520 Whose streets? Our streets!

00:17:47.820 Whose streets? Our streets!

00:17:49.900 Whose streets? Our streets!

00:17:52.000 Whose streets? Our streets!

00:17:54.160 Whose streets? Our city!

00:17:56.360 Whose streets? Our...

00:17:57.280 Okay, that's enough of that.

00:17:59.080 But you can, you can see by just looking, okay, well, who made these signs?

00:18:05.680 Who is, I mean, can you see a single British flag among them?

00:18:09.260 You'll see the odd Palestine flag there.

00:18:11.340 You won't see anything patriotic in the slightest.

00:18:14.440 And they're here to uphold the order that busses in under the cover of night, men, unvetted men from overseas. 0.84

00:18:21.300 And so, we can see at least where the dividing line is, and what the two factions are that are in conflict.

00:18:28.480 And you can see, like, this is a protest from Newcastle.

00:18:31.840 None of them have Geordie accents.

00:18:34.280 So, these, what I would assume, are paid protesters.

00:18:37.340 And there have been multiple examples of where the same person at different locations in the country has been spotted at these protests.

00:18:43.900 So, I think they're being bussed in, they're being handed out these same mass-produced signs, someone is behind this, someone is paying for this.

00:18:52.180 I think, Carl, the irony here is that a lot of the people who are going to lose out are the middle class and the working class.

00:19:03.100 Mass immigration is going to damage their interests more than anybody else's. 1.00

00:19:07.020 And the irony is that a lot of those people probably voted for the Labour government, who's trying to continue this deception, which has been going on for far too long now.

00:19:18.540 So, that, to me, is an irony.

00:19:20.320 And it will be, it's not going to be the rich and the independent who suffer here.

00:19:26.120 It's going to be your middle classes and your working classes, who are very decent people.

00:19:32.480 And they deserve to be looked after, not have their interests damaged by mass illegal and legal immigration, as you say, Alan, of largely fighting-age young men who are now being settled across the country.

00:19:49.020 I mean, who could possibly think of a more lunatic policy than that?

00:19:53.580 So, we've got a number of things to deal with, and I think that it's quite ironic as well when people pour scorn on Liz Truss, because I think she had some very good ideas.

00:20:02.880 And there was a coup that was there, and it entrenched many of the problems that we're sort of talking about now.

00:20:08.080 But the repeal of a number of key things, key acts that we should get to grips with.

00:20:14.480 And the thing about everyday ordinary people is that together, the togetherdeclaration.org, where we're at, we've spent over four years bringing people together who are everyday people.

00:20:24.040 We do lobby parliament.

00:20:25.800 We lobby MPs, and we ask, but we campaign, we protest, we do it peacefully.

00:20:31.700 We're very passionate about keeping everyone accountable.

00:20:34.220 We have many people with different views on a range of issues.

00:20:37.840 Sometimes it's quite tetchy, even on our steering group and board, because we don't all agree about things, but we have principles that we fight for.

00:20:44.880 Now, I go to lots of protests, so I want to pick up this point, because I think there's a, I know you weren't saying this, but this is the direction of travel, because also the discussion about terrorists, and we saw that before, and you start thinking, well, who's next?

00:20:58.400 Is it the farmers when they come out, in tractors?

00:21:00.700 And I think that some people, obviously, they get subsidized.

00:21:06.180 The SWP and others have got their name on banners and everything, but I am not so concerned about people going to protest there.

00:21:13.880 I'm very, I'm with Voltaire on this.

00:21:16.620 I might despise the things that they're saying, but we need to thrash them out, and we need to debate them.

00:21:21.820 I'm very confident that we can win these arguments.

00:21:24.080 In fact, I think the majority of the public, the silent...

00:21:26.000 How could we lose them?

00:21:26.900 Agree.

00:21:27.760 I don't even think, I think what we've got is a very small vocal group of, you know, people that feel passionately, fine, let them back.

00:21:36.960 And what's so great about Britain and about England is that you've got the ability to do that without, until very recently, getting a knock at your door.

00:21:44.700 Right now, that's becoming more up in the air.

00:21:47.820 And so I think that the big problem is, you see, it's not just so much the people that are protesting there.

00:21:55.040 I mean, it's that the people that are running our institutions have for a long time now been promoting these ideas and teaching them at school and running the NHS.

00:22:07.080 Why would you need all these ideological ideas to have an efficient, at-route, like, front-line start?

00:22:14.100 You wouldn't.

00:22:14.780 But that...

00:22:15.320 And across the board, we're seeing it in our institutions.

00:22:17.060 And I think what we...

00:22:18.080 So there is a reckoning that's happening.

00:22:21.100 And even in this discussion where you see, like, for instance, Palestinian flags, it's not really often about that.

00:22:26.760 It's about a hatred of the West and everything Britain represents and those values and a disgust with it.

00:22:32.480 And I think that we should get much more comfortable about just thrashing that out, debating it, saying we can cope with it all.

00:22:40.100 And actually, I don't really care where they're getting their money from and all that.

00:22:45.300 I mean, it's because people say that about everyone.

00:22:47.500 It's a bit of a lacking trust, right?

00:22:49.820 They raise money from people that think what they're saying is right.

00:22:52.680 We do the same thing.

00:22:53.900 We ask people.

00:22:54.720 We get people.

00:22:55.200 They say, where did you get your money from?

00:22:56.040 We get it from all our members.

00:22:57.180 We ask people if you believe in what we're saying.

00:22:59.060 And some of this stuff, that's what they try and do.

00:23:01.340 They try and get us cancelled on that basis.

00:23:02.960 Just a quick thing on that, though.

00:23:04.200 That's the point I'm actually trying to raise with this, that there is an inequality between the two sides here.

00:23:11.140 Because these groups are not grassroots funded, whereas, I mean, we're grassroots funded.

00:23:16.840 Are you grassroots funded?

00:23:17.740 Yes.

00:23:18.180 You know, we have many, many thousands and thousands of active supporters who are people who pay £5 a month to sign up to our website

00:23:25.940 to make sure that we can keep the lights on and stay in business.

00:23:29.380 But these people...

00:23:30.560 Put another wheel on your Rolls Royce car.

00:23:32.200 Oh, yeah, as if.

00:23:34.000 As if.

00:23:35.160 I don't even drive.

00:23:37.760 But the point being that it's by public, open public support.

00:23:43.140 But these people are the opposite of public support.

00:23:45.300 You can tell that these are special interest support.

00:23:47.320 In fact, these people will be receiving, through some sort of chain, government money,

00:23:51.940 in order to stand out there with their mass-produced signs and their Palestine flags

00:23:55.160 and tell us that we've got no right to our own country.

00:23:57.820 And so, like you say, I'm not against them doing it.

00:24:00.180 I'm actually very happy that they're out there doing it.

00:24:02.180 So we can say, look at them.

00:24:03.520 Just look at them and look at what they're in favour of and look at what they're against.

00:24:07.720 And what they're against are the regular English people who are just like,

00:24:10.420 why is this happening to us?

00:24:12.080 And these people want it to continue for foreign causes.

00:24:15.020 And I'm all in favour of them showing it.

00:24:16.520 Well, I think that's a very well-made point.

00:24:18.620 I mean, the other example of this, of course, is when they say they've got grassroots campaigns

00:24:22.660 around cycling groups and net zero.

00:24:27.800 And they pretend that they're like grassroots campaigns like we are.

00:24:31.780 But actually, then you find out that, you know, Christopher Hone and Mike Bloomberg

00:24:36.380 are these net zero green billionaires who are funding them.

00:24:39.760 And not only are they funding them to make them look like grassroots, but they're not.

00:24:42.820 But UK 100, in particular, has enormous influence over 100 councils in Britain in the policies.

00:24:49.180 Now, I know that's all up for grabs and changing now.

00:24:51.400 And it has changed in the last election.

00:24:52.840 It will in the next and the next.

00:24:54.180 But what happens is it's sinister because it's not openly discussed.

00:24:57.220 And it's an attempt to pull things away from Parliament, not have parliamentary scrutiny,

00:25:02.380 put it out locally.

00:25:03.560 And we see that the combination of things like C40 cities, a globalised view.

00:25:07.740 Now, you don't drive.

00:25:09.100 These days, no one really wants to drive.

00:25:11.220 It's so frustrating because particularly in our cities.

00:25:14.120 The roads are so packed.

00:25:15.220 You can't get around the time, the amount you're getting charged all the time consistently.

00:25:20.440 The attack on drivers, 37 million of us, this by these ideologues.

00:25:24.440 So I think that...

00:25:25.860 But Alan, you talk about Parliament.

00:25:27.560 So what we've all got to face the fact on, and it took me a lot of time and a lot of money

00:25:32.480 to become an MP.

00:25:33.340 And I think what I now realise, and, you know, I think most of us believe and are very trusting

00:25:41.020 in our establishment and the organs of the establishment, which is probably now not the

00:25:47.920 right thing to be.

00:25:49.560 So when you're in Parliament, you realise that actually Parliament is a charade.

00:25:53.280 Parliament has been hollowed out by the two-party system.

00:25:56.500 The MPs, and many of them are my friends, have very little power.

00:26:02.240 They are constricted by the Parliamentary Commissioner on Standards, whose rulebook is so complex it's

00:26:07.280 been sort of thrown together like a homunculus, and I'm lobbying to try and get that simplified.

00:26:13.200 So the misconception is that Parliament is there to debate past legislation and effectively

00:26:21.400 hold the government, the civil service to account.

00:26:24.060 Well, that's not happening, which is where I go back to the fact that the actual power lies

00:26:28.780 with a very small number of permanent secretaries who are not being held to account by a front

00:26:34.800 bench who's got no business experience.

00:26:36.840 And you see this every day.

00:26:39.080 And, you know, I'm, look, I'm a 67-year-old punter who's gone into Parliament late, but

00:26:43.380 I've created more noise in a year than almost any other MP in Parliament, not because I'm that able.

00:26:49.260 I just speak the truth, and I ask questions, and I do think that Parliament should be more

00:26:55.260 powerful than it is.

00:26:56.200 So I think that needs to be changed.

00:26:57.800 But then, you know, you look at the police, you look at all the organs of the state now,

00:27:02.300 I think they've all been undermined, not by the policemen on the beat, not by the working

00:27:08.720 parts of the various departments, but by the heads of the department.

00:27:16.340 So you've had, to Carl's point, you've had DEI injected through the leadership of the

00:27:22.600 NHS, the leadership of the police, basically through the civil service.

00:27:27.280 And I think that's all been undermined through our teachers, through almost every organ of

00:27:32.160 the British state.

00:27:33.040 So it's not, it's not the people on, on the ground who are a problem.

00:27:38.500 And I, a lot of the police, you know, I've had issues with, see a use of reporting me

00:27:43.740 from palpably, you know, making palpably false witness statements along with Lee Anderson.

00:27:49.220 But, and I, and I suffered the consequences of that, but have the police checked those witness

00:27:54.500 statements?

00:27:54.900 No, they haven't.

00:27:55.980 They haven't put them under the, under the spotlight.

00:27:58.080 So I, I think we all now have to look at our judges.

00:28:03.060 You mentioned the judiciary earlier.

00:28:04.360 The judiciary is now off the rails.

00:28:07.280 Yeah.

00:28:08.380 And, you know, the essence of any, I think, responsible state is that they should be trying

00:28:15.160 to do the best for their people.

00:28:17.040 And in a way, the state should be a referee.

00:28:19.520 It shouldn't be a player.

00:28:21.120 Let me, let me pause on that because I think do the best for out of their people, I think

00:28:26.100 is an important turn of phrase and we'll come back to that in a minute.

00:28:29.340 So just to, just to finish this section on the, the protesters, as you can see, they were

00:28:34.600 out calling their opponents Nazis and you had some very strange events, but you also

00:28:41.300 had some apparent right-wing hijackers.

00:28:45.180 Now, I have been to many, many, many protests in Britain.

00:28:50.740 Like I said, I've, I've spoken at many of them and, uh, I've never seen anyone on our

00:28:55.240 side of the discussion wearing a mask.

00:28:58.240 It's the first, I've never seen it.

00:29:00.360 I agree.

00:29:00.880 And I, I don't like to see either.

00:29:03.080 I loathe to see masks.

00:29:04.520 Um, it's normal English custom to be able to see one another's face.

00:29:08.080 And so apparently, um, a group of violent masked men hijacked the conga line protest

00:29:14.840 of the women in pink, uh, and started causing trouble. 1.00

00:29:18.420 According to the telegraph, uh, the, the gang of masked men swarmed the crowd, sell smoke

00:29:23.700 bombs and tried to charge the fence, uh, chanting kiss armor as a wanker and send them 1.00

00:29:28.540 home.

00:29:28.920 So, okay, that's, that's all in good, but that's very out of character for the kind of

00:29:33.020 protests that we've had up until this point.

00:29:34.900 And so I, I have to wonder, well, who are these men and where did they come from?

00:29:39.100 Um, why did the police not arrest them?

00:29:41.700 Were they not, were they not arrested?

00:29:44.060 Why were they not arrested?

00:29:45.660 Like if they're, if they're trying to charge the fence, you've obviously got a peaceful

00:29:49.620 and wholesome protest going on.

00:29:51.880 Um, if these men are attacking the fence, shouting slurs, is it really that the police

00:29:58.580 are like, well, these, these are not people we're going to arrest.

00:30:01.300 I mean, that didn't happen at Southport, did it?

00:30:02.720 There are people in jail at the moment for insulting the cops during the Southport riots.

00:30:06.680 Well, look at Lucy, look at Lucy, look at the dogs.

00:30:09.420 Yeah, yeah.

00:30:09.700 Look at Lucy Conley.

00:30:10.700 I mean, you know.

00:30:11.620 We'll come back to Lucy Conley in a minute.

00:30:13.520 So I've, I find it very peculiar that suddenly this gang of masked men was given carte blanche

00:30:18.900 and licensed to just go in and ruin this peaceful protest.

00:30:21.700 Like, sorry, is, is, that's not normal actually.

00:30:24.840 And it makes me wonder about agent provocateurs.

00:30:27.380 It makes me wonder if there are actually people in the government and in maybe the intelligence

00:30:33.220 agencies or wherever who are actually like, okay, well, we're going to try and cause some

00:30:36.920 trouble here for people.

00:30:38.080 And I don't have any evidence that that's the case, but there are a couple of things,

00:30:41.560 this being one of them.

00:30:42.720 But then this being another thing.

00:30:44.120 So apparently I can't, I don't know which protest this was at, unfortunately, but apparently

00:30:49.240 this, this one chap was chosen by the police to come into the hotel and have a look around

00:30:54.580 and tell people what it was about.

00:30:56.460 We'll watch this.

00:30:57.880 I'm going in on my own, all right?

00:30:59.840 Going on my own and I'll tell you the truth what's in there, all right?

00:31:02.520 No lies anywhere, lads, no lies.

00:31:09.120 Sounds like he's from Liverpool.

00:31:10.740 Yeah.

00:31:11.640 I've just been in there.

00:31:13.080 I've just been in there.

00:31:13.980 I've just been in there now that there's family and kids in there and they're going

00:31:17.460 to, and they're going to try and keep their families and kids there. 0.82

00:31:19.960 All that's been told is that there's men from, but they're not 100% sure that men are

00:31:24.040 coming in there.

00:31:25.100 So as I've said to them, it's not, it's not about, it's not rioting.

00:31:28.980 It's all protest to save our families.

00:31:32.040 So, okay.

00:31:33.180 Who's this guy?

00:31:34.640 Why doesn't he give his name?

00:31:36.160 Why don't we know anything about him?

00:31:37.380 But he goes into these hotels, escorted by the police, and he comes out saying, oh, it's

00:31:41.200 just, just women and kids in there. 1.00

00:31:42.400 I don't believe that.

00:31:44.920 So I don't know what's happening there.

00:31:47.220 These are strange things that have come up.

00:31:49.440 Like I said, I can't, I'm not pointing any fingers, but this is weird, isn't it?

00:31:54.180 Well, one of the things I was always a little bemused by was at the end of the anti-lockdown

00:32:00.160 protests, there'd be about six or eight guys after you'd had hundreds of thousands of people

00:32:05.460 and there'd be a scuffle or a few bottles would be thrown.

00:32:08.260 And all of a sudden that was the news.

00:32:09.800 And that's where the police would be.

00:32:11.440 Now we'd been kettled in the early days of, of the anti-lockdown protests.

00:32:15.560 So without, you know, many people who've got very firsthand experience across the board

00:32:21.020 in the last few years have been challenging and protesting things of a differential treatment

00:32:25.120 to different people.

00:32:25.960 I am nervous about jumping to conclusions, right?

00:32:32.980 I mean, I think that it's tricky, but, but I'm, we've also seen so many things recently

00:32:37.860 that I thought, you know, we're not in Britain.

00:32:40.040 We're not going to, I mean, the lockdown files and the Twitter files.

00:32:42.780 And when you saw all those things brutally just represented and we do, yeah, for our FOIs

00:32:48.240 or you, you did some information to find out if they, oh yeah, you're spying on all of us

00:32:51.920 and this is what's going, debanking, all the different things that have been going on.

00:32:55.500 You're like, gosh, so.

00:32:57.620 Do I put it beyond Starmer's government to do something like this?

00:33:00.540 Well, the answer is no.

00:33:01.340 No.

00:33:02.280 Absolutely not.

00:33:03.160 The only thing is that they're so incapable of organizing anything and no one keeps their

00:33:10.100 mouth shut anymore.

00:33:10.900 So it's not like the old days where people do, did they make an agreement and they, and

00:33:15.840 so, so the thing is that, yeah, so I'm not sure.

00:33:20.040 I don't know.

00:33:20.600 I don't know either.

00:33:21.540 I'm just to, just to be clear.

00:33:23.340 Well, I think the stake now has a, and it's what happened to me in a way, they have a sort

00:33:30.140 of formula which tries anyone who does stand up, first of all, by showing their face, which

00:33:37.840 a lot of, as we know, people now don't.

00:33:40.900 Um, stands up like, you know, and becomes, you know, in a way, somebody like me who sits

00:33:47.740 in parliament and talks about Pakistani rape gangs and moves the Overton window and actually

00:33:52.080 has, you know, done the rape gang crowd funder.

00:33:55.200 And we now see the government is going to have a statute of inquiry where we've seen no terms

00:33:58.760 of reference.

00:33:59.240 We've seen no timescale.

00:34:00.740 We've seen nothing.

00:34:01.960 But the point is they can take you out of the game.

00:34:06.080 And people need to be wary of this by these palpably false complaints being made by somebody

00:34:11.940 with no basis to them.

00:34:14.160 And then if you aren't rich enough, and ultimately this cost me money to be able to defend myself

00:34:21.340 by hiring the right lawyers and everything, and you don't have the confidence to be able

00:34:26.480 to fight it, a lot of people just turn their toes up and leave the battlefield.

00:34:29.680 So I think a lot of the state's armory, and it's not just Labour, I think this is largely

00:34:36.620 the civil service.

00:34:37.740 It's largely the administrative organs of the state, rather necessarily than, I mean,

00:34:42.840 Starmer's just a weak, ineffectual, duplicitous man, in my view, who doesn't really have any

00:34:48.360 view himself, other than trying to force a Fabian agenda on us, which is very dangerous.

00:34:55.200 I think he's a true believer in that.

00:34:56.680 I think he is.

00:34:57.440 Most of the Labour Party are members of the Fabian Society.

00:35:00.420 And again, I would urge everybody to learn as much as they can about the Fabian Society.

00:35:04.160 They absolutely should.

00:35:05.540 Because it is a bit like the, I likened it to the Online Safety Act, which again, parades

00:35:10.960 as a wolf in sheep's clothing.

00:35:12.920 Everybody says, oh, it's for the protection of children.

00:35:15.480 Rubbish.

00:35:16.420 It parades as that.

00:35:18.460 The reality is it's to lock us all down.

00:35:21.160 Yes.

00:35:21.460 That's what it is.

00:35:22.480 And it's a bit like defining Islamophobia.

00:35:26.260 Yeah.

00:35:26.720 All this stuff is just, I think, part of a dishonest state, which now realizes that it's

00:35:33.460 got to try and jump on its own people to cover up for its own deficiencies.

00:35:40.960 Well, let's.

00:35:41.460 And that's what we're seeing at the moment.

00:35:43.080 You're absolutely right.

00:35:44.000 The recipe is anyone who's a trouble causer, take them out.

00:35:48.060 Yeah.

00:35:48.520 And that's what they do using a deficient judiciary, a deficient leadership of the police.

00:35:55.420 I don't blame the police men and women.

00:35:58.600 I don't blame them.

00:36:00.320 I do blame the leadership of the police.

00:36:02.320 I do blame the leadership of the judiciary.

00:36:05.700 I do blame the leaders of our education system, the leaders of the NHS.

00:36:09.880 These are all people who are basically now dishonest.

00:36:13.300 Yes.

00:36:13.520 And they're forcing a lie on the rest of us.

00:36:17.240 And we have to now stand up.

00:36:18.280 So, Samson, let's go on to the next one now.

00:36:20.540 But while he's doing that, you're absolutely right.

00:36:22.740 Because the police forces have a massive turnover rate at the moment.

00:36:27.160 They have a real problem retaining police officers.

00:36:29.600 And I think it's the consequence of forcing the lie from the top.

00:36:32.820 Because, I mean, the people in the bottom ranks, well, they've got to do as they're told.

00:36:36.280 This is their job.

00:36:36.980 This is what they're paid for.

00:36:38.640 But you don't have to stay in the job.

00:36:39.940 And I think a lot of people are just leaving the job.

00:36:41.660 Well, they are.

00:36:42.220 And we're doing a lot of work with Harry Miller from We Are Fair, who's managed to turn things

00:36:46.620 around as well.

00:36:47.320 Another person who is standing up and has made some changes, quite significant ones.

00:36:54.200 But the problem is Hendon Police Training College, where those police officers are trained and

00:36:58.100 the ideas that are being pushed and promoted.

00:37:01.540 And we need to get back to policing without fear or favour.

00:37:04.800 I mean, one of the arguments about together, and we love that more people are doing more

00:37:09.460 things than everyone.

00:37:10.220 And some of your work has been incredible, very quick, very fast, and the rape inquiry stuff.

00:37:14.940 And we're determined in every area to make people accountable and to force, to push back to

00:37:22.140 common sense, right?

00:37:23.460 I mean, many were...

00:37:24.220 If you say to people...

00:37:25.280 Sorry to...

00:37:25.720 For the interest of time, I've got to move us along.

00:37:28.920 Yeah.

00:37:29.080 I completely agree with you.

00:37:30.240 And this is the second point that I want to bring up over...

00:37:32.960 Can I just say, Carl, on the police before we move on?

00:37:34.960 I mean, I talk to a lot of police, both in Parliament and I spoke to one member of the

00:37:41.240 Met, because it's really the Met that's rotten.

00:37:43.560 And we all know who the Met reports to.

00:37:45.500 Who's in charge of the Met?

00:37:47.160 Well, there's a little tyrant in London. 0.98

00:37:50.360 Do I need to tell you?

00:37:50.860 No.

00:37:51.540 So, well, he is in charge of the Met.

00:37:53.860 Yes.

00:37:54.760 It, as I call him, is in charge of the Met.

00:37:58.480 So, you know, I was talking to...

00:37:59.960 It's sir to you now.

00:38:01.080 I was talking to somebody on the gate of somewhere I went last week, a member of the

00:38:07.780 Metropolitan Police.

00:38:08.480 He's been in there all his life.

00:38:09.460 He said, I'm retiring in December.

00:38:11.300 I can't wait to get out.

00:38:12.860 Yeah.

00:38:13.700 Because it's not what it used to be.

00:38:15.600 And this is what you get from all the policemen who I think have been brought up, understanding

00:38:22.140 what real policing should be.

00:38:23.460 But the problem is, will the next generation actually know...

00:38:26.720 No, they're going to have been indoctrinated through the college, like you said.

00:38:29.620 This is a big problem, Adam.

00:38:31.460 Sorry, we're going to have to move on, though, I'm afraid.

00:38:33.700 Right.

00:38:34.140 So, the two points here that I want to bring together, they're looking after their people

00:38:40.960 and covering things up, because that's precisely what they're doing.

00:38:45.340 Samson, can you play this in the background while we talk?

00:38:47.660 So, this kicked off quite a firestorm online, because people noticed that, oh, look, men

00:38:54.840 in uniform, it looks like.

00:38:57.120 They're wearing the same grey jumper and black trousers, being bussed into the hotel

00:39:01.920 in Canary Wharf on Saturday, this was, under cover of night.

00:39:06.820 And you can see that they're being provided with some sort of papers or something like

00:39:11.760 that by security at the Britannia Hotel.

00:39:14.180 And this is what really kicked off all of these protests.

00:39:17.560 But who is protecting who here?

00:39:20.220 What's the purpose of this?

00:39:21.920 Why are you doing this under the cover of night?

00:39:24.980 It seems that...

00:39:26.000 Well, look, it's a very good question, Carl, and I have the solution, which Emily Maitlis

00:39:30.640 didn't like, which is set up a tented camp off the west coast of England or Scotland.

00:39:37.340 Give them some food and wait for them to decide they want to go home, which is largely what

00:39:44.360 the Australians do. 0.77

00:39:45.360 They should never come and settle on our mainland, because the next thing is we've got this indefinite

00:39:50.940 right to remain, which is another part of our deficient system, which needs to be reformed.

00:39:56.740 So these people come, then they bring their families, then they bring their dependents,

00:39:59.940 then they bring absolutely everybody over here.

00:40:03.000 And our Home Office is just not fit for purpose.

00:40:06.600 So I think...

00:40:07.720 Well, it's full of traitor.

00:40:08.460 I think for me, even with the Human Rights Act, which must be repealed, as you know, within

00:40:15.680 it is embedded the ECA.

00:40:16.860 Oh, absolutely.

00:40:17.560 So once you embed that, you end up with a sovereign nation again who can control its

00:40:22.580 own borders, which must be the definition of a sovereign nation that we all voted for

00:40:26.300 in 2016.

00:40:26.980 So this is another very strange thing, where you've got a phalanx, if you can play this

00:40:31.500 in the background without the sound, Samson, a phalanx of police officers helping a Deliveroo

00:40:36.740 driver, or bike rider, get through protesters.

00:40:40.480 It's like, but that guy's probably an illegal, working illegally. 0.84

00:40:44.700 Like, Deliveroo is a massive problem.

00:40:47.200 Well, undermining legal taxpaying businesses who collect tax, pay tax, and facilitate the government

00:40:55.540 funding itself.

00:40:56.300 And so you have...

00:40:57.880 So in there, we've got the roots of our own destruction.

00:41:00.160 Yes.

00:41:00.540 You have the taxpayers protesting, who are being forced to pay for the police, who are protecting

00:41:05.880 the people who are undermining and sucking their taxes up.

00:41:09.780 So you are paying for your own oppression here.

00:41:12.280 And it's such a small thing, but it's actually a microcosm of everything that is wrong in this

00:41:16.480 country.

00:41:17.360 Like, this shouldn't be the case.

00:41:19.720 And then you go on to just the actual migrants themselves, who seem to be, well, a contemptible 1.00

00:41:25.180 lot, frankly.

00:41:26.300 So you can see that this is an illegal throwing out of his hotel window food or whatever over

00:41:47.480 a baby's first chair.

00:41:48.940 That's pretty awful.

00:41:50.040 And then you've got another one where this guy swears.

00:41:53.820 Where are you from, mate?

00:41:56.520 Where?

00:41:59.060 Were you running from a wall?

00:42:00.640 And you can see the kind of people.

00:42:12.320 But then you've got another one where a young woman got spat on by one of them and the police

00:42:17.020 are not interested.

00:42:17.600 So you have a problem with my words?

00:42:20.060 Yes.

00:42:20.860 Because a filthy migrant just spat on me? 1.00

00:42:23.160 Yeah.

00:42:23.660 And you've got the issue with me?

00:42:25.440 We have a duty to challenge that language, yeah, because we're police officers and it's...

00:42:28.620 Because he's filthy and he's migrant and he attacked me like the other one? 1.00

00:42:33.260 We're trying to help you report that.

00:42:34.540 Which is offensive, isn't it?

00:42:35.580 We can't not challenge that language because...

00:42:37.920 There's people in the public...

00:42:38.740 Okay, what's your numbers?

00:42:40.540 No, you'll find my language is offensive.

00:42:43.740 No, I do.

00:42:44.160 3083-3028-1192.

00:42:51.380 That's the product of the College of Policing.

00:42:53.540 You may have been spat on by a filthy migrant, but you calling him a filthy migrant because

00:42:57.440 he spat on you is the problem.

00:42:59.440 And the thing is, this...

00:43:01.440 I mean, I personally...

00:43:03.440 This drives me mad and I hate it more than anything with an absolute passion because if

00:43:08.740 I were to be taken in as a refugee in someone else's country, I'd be very, very grateful to

00:43:13.600 the people who were helping me, I'd be very, very polite to them.

00:43:17.760 I wouldn't point my camera out of the window and laugh at the protests like I was the one

00:43:24.080 with the whip hand in this situation.

00:43:25.920 I absolutely would...

00:43:26.820 They take us for fools, Carl.

00:43:28.080 They know.

00:43:28.760 They take us for fools.

00:43:29.660 They know the police are protecting them against us.

00:43:33.420 So there are a number of things that are going on here, right?

00:43:36.220 But I'm also slightly concerned that we get obsessed with these individuals rather

00:43:43.400 than the people that are allowing this to happen and making it work.

00:43:46.720 The thing is...

00:43:47.180 Hang on, Em.

00:43:47.700 Because...

00:43:48.300 The thing is, we spent the first half of the podcast talking about those people.

00:43:51.880 And actually, I'm more concerned that we don't talk about the nature of the people

00:43:55.460 who we're allowing in.

00:43:56.860 Because I agree with you that we are...

00:43:58.220 You are completely correct.

00:43:59.980 All of the institutions that have allowed and brought this to be, to bear on us, that

00:44:04.240 is entirely the reason this is here.

00:44:06.020 But we don't talk about the nature of the people themselves.

00:44:08.600 So if we're going to...

00:44:09.320 So I think it's...

00:44:10.020 And it's always difficult to talk about the nature of them.

00:44:12.020 There are many of these men of a certain age that have come from very particular regions

00:44:16.820 that do not respect the things that we have agreed on in a Western...

00:44:22.060 Let's call it Western, but, you know, society.

00:44:24.940 So views of women. 1.00

00:44:27.660 Where is the movement on this?

00:44:29.460 Yeah, no, exactly.

00:44:30.380 Sorry, they're not being there.

00:44:32.440 But I'm also...

00:44:33.480 So in a number of areas, which is why people are protesting and why they're so furious about it.

00:44:38.420 But the reason they're behaving, in my view, like this is because they know that they've

00:44:45.860 got this institutional backdrop and the cultural wind is of this kind.

00:44:50.540 And look, it's like I also am genuinely...

00:44:56.000 I would also...

00:44:56.700 I agree with your point that if you go somewhere and you've become...

00:45:00.300 You have a duty to respect the people you've...

00:45:02.520 And that was the case for a long time for migrants, by the way, who came from the Commonwealth

00:45:06.280 and everything historically.

00:45:07.280 And you look at generations of people who were like very committed, very loyal, very patriotic.

00:45:12.280 And some of them have come to the protests, as I said earlier.

00:45:16.360 So I think people are genuinely concerned, particularly certain regions, like with the

00:45:20.360 rape gang inquiry.

00:45:21.280 There happens to be some groups from some areas that personify that.

00:45:26.100 And you should absolutely be allowed to discuss it.

00:45:28.200 It's embarrassing and it's dangerous when the police respond like that because you just

00:45:32.480 think, well, here's a physical attack.

00:45:33.800 This is where words of violence become so mad.

00:45:36.500 It came from the academy.

00:45:37.400 But you're like, no, actually, someone's just done violence.

00:45:40.280 They spat on me.

00:45:41.100 It's a physical assault.

00:45:43.220 But what it's doing, though, is it's reinforcing a daily humiliation of the English people.

00:45:48.060 Yeah.

00:45:48.500 That's the real problem.

00:45:50.060 These men have absolutely no respect for us at all.

00:45:54.480 And we're giving them money.

00:45:56.640 They are daily visiting indignities upon us.

00:46:00.820 And then when...

00:46:02.020 Not only that, Carl.

00:46:02.820 We're putting it at the top of waiting lists for medical treatment, dental treatment.

00:46:06.080 Absolutely.

00:46:06.300 And when we're out protesting...

00:46:08.180 Housing.

00:46:08.820 I mean, we are prioritizing...

00:46:11.140 Exactly.

00:46:11.700 These people who've contributed zero to our history, our culture, or indeed our economy.

00:46:17.060 Well, they're parasites. 0.86

00:46:17.700 And we are rewarding them with four-star hotels, food, mobile phones, and better treatment

00:46:25.800 than people who've paid tax all their lives.

00:46:27.680 And when we go out and protest...

00:46:28.860 You couldn't actually make it up.

00:46:30.200 No.

00:46:30.660 And when we go out and protest...

00:46:31.020 I think it was a sick joke, wouldn't you, really?

00:46:32.760 You would.

00:46:32.920 I mean...

00:46:33.500 But look at the joy on their faces.

00:46:35.140 This is a funny thing to them.

00:46:37.860 Laughing at us is...

00:46:39.520 They wouldn't do this for us.

00:46:41.920 That's why I think they think it's funny.

00:46:43.620 Well, yeah, they're not in a position either to do it.

00:46:45.360 But what's interesting, when you become an American citizen...

00:46:48.480 And even though that's much troubled now in the whole discussion of it, but there are things

00:46:52.320 that are commitments that you need to talk about and discuss about their values and about

00:46:57.360 a sense of what it is.

00:46:58.140 And it's not just economic, of course.

00:46:59.740 It's the constitution.

00:47:00.940 It's the way of life.

00:47:01.940 And that whole respect of a way of life and what you're coming into and what you should

00:47:05.940 be doing.

00:47:06.920 And there is no attempt...

00:47:08.660 And this is the point about integration and the abandonment of that, because the people

00:47:12.720 who run this country and the institutions are embarrassed and ashamed of what we'd be

00:47:18.920 integrating into.

00:47:20.240 So they've jettisoned that, which then creates this backdrop, which is so problematic.

00:47:24.300 The thing is, it goes a step further than this as well, because if I was in a foreign country

00:47:30.720 as a refugee, and I was being given all of this money and all of this largesse from the

00:47:35.220 state, and there were protesters around me, I'd be worried.

00:47:39.080 I'd say, OK, well, what have I done to so inflame them?

00:47:42.720 But these men are contemptuous of us, because they know the state is fully behind them.

00:47:48.040 They know the power is on their side.

00:47:49.660 And so they can laugh at us from our position of humiliation with security.

00:47:55.060 Well, they've traveled across multiple safe countries.

00:47:58.260 And in a way, as Macron said, I don't agree with Mr. Macron very much, but I think he did

00:48:03.840 correctly say, well, part of the problem is you're too generous with these people when

00:48:08.380 they arrive in your country.

00:48:09.720 And I think he's right.

00:48:10.940 He is.

00:48:11.340 But what kind of people does that attract?

00:48:14.220 It doesn't attract hardworking businessmen who are interested in paying taxes and sitting

00:48:19.040 down roots.

00:48:20.320 What that attracts is adventurous young men who are out for treasure and women.

00:48:25.860 Well, Karl, most of these people have got quite a low IQ, and in all likelihood, they

00:48:30.780 will not contribute to our economy.

00:48:32.520 Absolutely.

00:48:32.840 It's not like the Huguenots and the Jews who fled persecution in Europe.

00:48:38.680 They actually came here.

00:48:39.680 A lot of them made huge contributions to this country.

00:48:43.080 But even beneath this...

00:48:44.040 But I mean, these people are not going to make huge contributions to our country.

00:48:48.480 But the problem with this line of thought is that assumes that if they could make a good

00:48:52.540 contribution, then we'd have to suffer this kind of indignity.

00:48:54.900 Well, they can't make a contribution if they come here with that attitude.

00:48:58.280 That attitude in itself shows you they don't have any intent to contribute.

00:49:04.060 They are taking us for fools.

00:49:06.440 They absolutely are.

00:49:07.240 You know, if you come as a migrant or an asylum seeker, I call them economic migrants. 0.88

00:49:13.140 I don't think they're asylum seekers.

00:49:14.840 Having traveled across all these safe countries, how can they be asylum seekers?

00:49:18.660 They're adventurous.

00:49:19.460 And as Alan said, we all know they're all men, even though the Labour government denies

00:49:22.900 it.

00:49:23.140 And they've denied it on a number of occasions.

00:49:24.880 They're adventurous.

00:49:25.700 In previous eras, these men would have joined up with the Sultan and gone off and joined his 0.69

00:49:29.800 army and be plundering some bloody city in the Middle East. 0.98

00:49:32.440 So no, they don't respect us.

00:49:34.180 And unfortunately, they're going to be a burden to our productive society for a very

00:49:41.080 long time to come.

00:49:41.980 But I'm far less worried about the burden to productivity than I am the children being

00:49:46.320 raped by them.

00:49:47.640 Every day for the last week, we have had an example of boat migrants raping children. 1.00

00:49:54.260 And now you've got to understand it in the context of they don't respect us.

00:49:58.180 And they don't understand why we are putting them in hotels that are just like in Epping

00:50:03.680 is the worst example.

00:50:05.700 The hotel is within visual range of the school.

00:50:08.660 Like they come from cultures that are deeply closed.

00:50:12.620 They are not free and open cultures.

00:50:14.800 You cannot just go to one of their children's schools.

00:50:17.980 It would be a gang of men who would chase you down the street if an Englishman was found

00:50:23.260 loitering around one of their kids' schools.

00:50:26.160 They would, it's just not allowed.

00:50:27.700 And so when we say, right, yeah, just come in and just do what you like, what they interpret

00:50:31.840 that as being is, we want you to do these things.

00:50:35.100 We are okay with you doing these things.

00:50:37.180 That's how they take us.

00:50:37.940 Well, they're taught that it's okay to do these things.

00:50:39.660 Of course they are.

00:50:40.940 It's like oil and water.

00:50:43.060 Their entire culture is different to ours. 0.86

00:50:46.440 They see us as kind of fallen people.

00:50:49.460 And so they think that we're saying it's okay to do this.

00:50:52.000 They think we're weak, Carl.

00:50:53.120 They absolutely do.

00:50:54.280 They absolutely do.

00:50:54.900 This is a pair of Afghan asylum seekers, presumably ones that were smuggled in by the conservative

00:50:59.440 government, who have been charged with the rape and kidnap of a 12-year-old girl in Nuneaton.

00:51:04.120 Why are there bloody Afghans in Nuneaton? 1.00

00:51:05.940 Again, talking about a dishonest state, is there anything more dishonest than deceiving the British

00:51:10.920 people about this Afghan influx as a result of a supposed mistake by the civil service?

00:51:19.060 It's mad.

00:51:19.440 But the thing is, this happened in the middle of the day.

00:51:22.260 It's happened in broad daylight, in the middle of the street.

00:51:25.700 And it's like, what?

00:51:26.480 Imagine the thought process that had to get to the point where these two guys thought,

00:51:33.140 yeah, we're going to kidnap and rape a 12-year-old at midday in the middle of the street in Nuneaton.

00:51:38.180 And ask yourself why these barbarians are here. 1.00

00:51:39.740 And then the police were like, well, okay, look, you can't tell everyone about this.

00:51:43.960 Because this will, quote, inflame community tensions.

00:51:48.360 Yeah, I think it might, actually.

00:51:50.120 I think it might.

00:51:51.760 I mean, this is Warwickshire police.

00:51:54.180 Where is the policing without fear or favour, Carl?

00:51:56.860 Well, I mean, we don't want community tensions, Rupert.

00:51:58.960 You know, we don't want community tensions, do we?

00:52:00.860 I mean, that's the last thing we want.

00:52:02.900 One man from Warwickshire said they're hushing it up because they don't want an epping situation on their hands.

00:52:07.860 Well, I'm sorry.

00:52:08.480 Every time a migrant rapes a child, there should be an epping situation. 1.00

00:52:12.920 There should be mass protests.

00:52:14.580 And they should be removed from the community.

00:52:16.880 I mean, they shouldn't have been there in the first place, of course.

00:52:19.120 But that's the way that things are.

00:52:20.560 And at the moment, there's a young man leading Warwick Council, one of the 18-year-old reform councillors.

00:52:28.100 And he's actually come out quite hard on this.

00:52:30.400 He put out this superb statement.

00:52:32.900 And he's done a press release.

00:52:33.860 He wrote a letter.

00:52:34.860 Yeah, a letter to Yvette Cooper.

00:52:38.060 And he's done a press conference.

00:52:39.240 But it happened too soon before the podcast for me to include it on the podcast.

00:52:43.360 Where he's just saying, well, look, this is dreadful.

00:52:45.680 This is unacceptable.

00:52:47.520 You know, why are these people here?

00:52:49.320 My duty as the leader of the Warwickshire County Council is to protect the residents.

00:52:54.180 Not protect community cohesion, which allows foreign migrants to rape children. 1.00

00:53:00.840 It's just, it's just off.

00:53:02.060 That's unacceptable.

00:53:03.360 That's absolutely unacceptable.

00:53:05.740 And so, good for them for actually getting things done on this.

00:53:09.780 Well, I've written lots of letters to Yvette Cooper.

00:53:12.400 Well, yeah.

00:53:12.840 Well, whether or not this will get things done.

00:53:16.120 I have a great saying, what's what the hands are doing, not what the mouth is saying, because...

00:53:20.500 I'm confident this will turn into an Epping situation. 0.99

00:53:22.200 Actually, a lot of people, I mean, I don't think I've ever had a reply.

00:53:27.000 And I've written to Yvette Cooper on multiple occasions.

00:53:30.540 I mean, it's a very similar letter to the one we've been writing for quite some time now.

00:53:34.200 Just to be clear, I don't think it's the letter to Yvette Cooper that's going to get things done.

00:53:37.740 I think what's going to happen is an Epping situation where the local residents come out and just say,

00:53:42.380 no, these men have to go.

00:53:44.180 And like an Epping, they will eventually get them. 0.97

00:53:45.960 Although, when we do write tens of thousands of letters, which we at Together Declaration do get people to do,

00:53:53.460 it does have an impact.

00:53:54.700 So, we did help stop mandatory jabs, particularly for people who'd been doing things for a year.

00:54:00.660 And we got to turn around.

00:54:01.440 We managed to help stop vaccine passports, the earlier form of digital ID, completely mad idea that had no bearing.

00:54:07.880 In the same way that these new digital IDs have no bearing on what we're talking about, right?

00:54:11.680 They're just an attempt to limit things.

00:54:13.520 And across the board, we've seen Department of Transport.

00:54:15.740 We've changed legislation there with funding livable streets and low-traffic neighbourhoods, debanking.

00:54:22.700 Lots of letters can work from the public as part of an overall strategy, right?

00:54:27.220 Where we get the...

00:54:28.020 And this is the thing.

00:54:29.560 I'm not so much...

00:54:30.760 It's great that people are now standing and giving a lead and saying things, and it's fantastic, right?

00:54:34.900 Whether it's in Parliament or campaign groups, but the British public, in the end, is where the power lies.

00:54:41.300 We, the many, right?

00:54:42.260 I mean, because actually things change immediately.

00:54:44.840 If you've got a mandate, a true mandate from the public, and you can say, look, this is where I'm representing this view.

00:54:51.960 I've been very clear about it, and I'm here.

00:54:54.360 And if we've got the public behind things, and they're saying to their constituents, or they're standing, and they're elected, and across the board, things change quickly, right?

00:55:03.480 But then and again, you see, you're right.

00:55:06.240 But, and we, with Lucy Connolly, I mean, we were able to, once you've got a large membership, you can force, as you know, a debate in Westminster Hall.

00:55:16.360 Yeah.

00:55:17.160 So, we've, we managed, we started at 2 o'clock, I think we'd had 100,000 signatures by 11 o'clock at night.

00:55:23.360 It was great, yeah.

00:55:24.000 So, you start, if you get a movement, and again, a lot of people find it very difficult to understand, why isn't it a party?

00:55:29.880 Well, the point is, a movement is to unify.

00:55:33.360 A party divides, because you actually end up with tribal barriers.

00:55:36.680 We don't want that.

00:55:37.600 What we want is unity amongst everybody in the country, who actually shares the same view, that things are going badly wrong.

00:55:44.760 They can feel their country slipping through their fingers, and they want it back.

00:55:49.920 And if they just sit there, and don't do anything, I'm afraid, they are going to lose their country.

00:55:55.420 Well, that's what I really agree with the point about, and we try and remind everyone about duty.

00:55:59.680 But don't you think Yvette Cooper should answer these letters?

00:56:02.220 Absolutely.

00:56:02.860 She should.

00:56:03.140 She should become an MP.

00:56:04.180 Absolutely.

00:56:05.300 I mean, I think Yvette Cooper probably understands she's probably not winning the next election. 0.99

00:56:09.580 She's probably losing her seat. 0.99

00:56:10.780 I mean, half of the Labour frontbench are already on ticking clock.

00:56:13.140 But that's where responsibility and the sense of duty and your civic responsibility is also not just what they're legislated for in terms of responsibilities,

00:56:20.880 but just where is the sense of your honesty and dedication to the service, rather than just the particular party or your, you know, your pragmatic view.

00:56:30.460 And that's what people want to see much more of.

00:56:32.040 They want to see commitment to principles.

00:56:33.500 They want to see honesty.

00:56:34.780 They want to see transparency.

00:56:36.360 The trust deficit is so huge.

00:56:38.860 But also, we have...

00:56:40.060 It needs some justification.

00:56:40.780 But the way we turn it around, because you've got loads of viewers, and we have to remind ourselves,

00:56:45.780 is not just to moan and complain.

00:56:48.740 It's to us all take our sense of duty and responsibility in making our country better again and what we want to see it.

00:56:55.960 Because that, we can give a lead in big ways, locally, regionally, nationally, that can then transform things.

00:57:01.640 I completely agree.

00:57:02.840 We'll move on to the next one now, Samson.

00:57:04.260 And, yeah, no, I completely agree with you.

00:57:07.300 On a personal level, you have to be responsible for the things around you.

00:57:11.360 You have to be responsible for your friends, your family, your business, whatever it is you do.

00:57:15.140 But the problem that we have is just the state has turned its face against us.

00:57:19.420 We are on the receiving end of all of these things, and we are getting the crackdown, which is now beginning.

00:57:25.140 Now, 15 people were arrested over the weekend at various points around the country for breaching the Public Order Act.

00:57:34.720 Now, I'm going to be generous, because I don't have any actual granular detail on this.

00:57:39.080 So I'm just going to be generous and assume that every single one of these arrests was justified.

00:57:43.620 Now, you might say, well, that's very optimistic, and I'm going to agree with you.

00:57:47.860 That is very optimistic.

00:57:48.800 But, like I said, I don't have any direct evidence that anyone has arrested someone who didn't deserve it.

00:57:54.980 So I'm just going to take them at their word that these people were all getting out of control and causing lots of trouble.

00:58:01.380 But then something that's interesting is Jack Hadfield here is a journalist who is on the scene at the Britannia Hotel in London.

00:58:09.520 And he pointed out that the police had issued an order under Section 42A of the Criminal Justice and Police Act requiring everyone to leave the vicinity and not return for 28 days,

00:58:20.580 because they were causing, quote, harassment, alarm, and distress to the hotel residents, as in the illegal aliens who were in the hotel.

00:58:28.000 And at least one man was arrested after the order was given.

00:58:30.560 So, as you can see, they have powers.

00:58:33.380 Now, I mean, obviously, you can see this was brought in by the Labour Party.

00:58:36.040 But there were other powers that were brought in by the Conservative Party that they're also using.

00:58:40.640 But this is the point.

00:58:42.080 They've decided, oh, no, we have just had enough now.

00:58:44.660 I think the online safety app was the Tories.

00:58:46.700 That was indeed the Tories as well.

00:58:48.660 I wasn't referring to that, but that is one of them.

00:58:51.320 Yeah, there's a 2014 Public Order Act that's being used as well.

00:58:56.180 Yeah, they've got the Criminal Justice Bill as well from 2014, I think.

00:58:59.380 That's the one I was thinking, yeah.

00:59:00.100 With public space protection orders and all these draconian measures about how many people can walk down the street,

00:59:04.860 if you can play with cars in the park, a range of measures that a lot of people didn't really give too much note to,

00:59:11.360 till you suddenly realise that officialdom and busybodies start interrupting in a citizen's right to just have their own privacy

00:59:21.080 or enjoy themselves in a public arena without interference unless they're doing something wrong.

00:59:25.680 Or engage in a fundamental democratic freedom, which is protest.

00:59:29.100 So you can see that the authorities now have got to the point where they're like, right, okay, no, you're just not going to be allowed to do this.

00:59:35.180 And what's interesting is the police responded to this and said, no, no, no, we haven't banned protests outside the Britannia Hotel.

00:59:41.040 We want to encourage people to exercise their lawful rights.

00:59:43.540 I'm sure they're thrilled to do so.

00:59:44.840 But what it is, is the specific group of people that they have banned.

00:59:50.100 It's like, okay, but how do you know who they are?

00:59:53.060 How do you know that that specific group of people, as if, you know, they didn't have badges, you know, they were just random locals and not allowed to protest.

01:00:01.640 So now what?

01:00:02.520 Do we have to get people in from outside to come and protest if the locals aren't allowed to protest?

01:00:07.560 Well, it's outrageous.

01:00:09.500 I mean, something just happened as well.

01:00:10.900 We had a guy recently, people would have seen that Monty got actually arrested a couple of streets away when he left the protest, actually, for him saying that trans was mental health issues.

01:00:21.960 He was not arrested when he was at Brighton this weekend.

01:00:25.260 So you kind of think, well, either it is an arrestable offence or it's not.

01:00:28.300 But they put then an order in banning him coming to Westminster because they specifically didn't want him to go to the Pride.

01:00:34.180 There's a number of Pride things weekly, it seems now as well.

01:00:36.600 And what you've got is an attempt, this is what I mean about the technocratic impulse, right?

01:00:42.580 It's a legalistic, technocratic attempt to suffocate debate and discussion, certain debate and certain discussion.

01:00:49.560 Because we've seen weekly protests where they've done things on statues, where they've called our nation all sorts of terrible things.

01:00:54.820 During the lockdowns, the Black Lives Matter protests were just given carte blanche.

01:00:57.900 Yeah, and the week, and regularly...

01:00:59.540 They're a bad organisation.

01:01:00.660 Oh, they're terrible.

01:01:01.200 And regularly, we've seen that, you know, whatever anyone thinks about the Middle East and the region there, you're entitled to your views.

01:01:06.140 But these so-called Palestine demos, we've seen all sorts of things happen on them around the country, but they're not being treated in this way.

01:01:14.700 So what the public immediately goes, OK, so if we're a family locally, everyday working class people, and we're concerned about migrants and rape and violence,

01:01:26.020 then we can't come back and protest, because you've deemed us beyond the pale.

01:01:30.920 But all these other things can carry on going.

01:01:32.960 And by the way, when are people going to be held accountable for the actual crimes that we're...

01:01:37.040 So it's utterly insulting, and it's very dangerous, right?

01:01:40.700 Because people go, well, if we can't do that, then you're criminalising the public.

01:01:44.020 Put the lid back on the pressure cooker.

01:01:46.060 Yeah, criminalising the public for having completely reasonable views and behaving peacefully.

01:01:51.400 Well, I was, Carl, I was reading some research the other day, and I knew it would come up, so with your permission, I'd like to read a little quote from my favourite, one of my favourite...

01:02:00.720 Austrian economists?

01:02:01.480 Austrian school economists, called Ludwig von Mises.

01:02:05.500 And he said, the worship of the state is the worship of force.

01:02:10.760 There is no more dangerous menace to civilisation than a government of incompetent, corrupt, or vile men.

01:02:18.960 He just said the Labour Party.

01:02:19.960 Do you know, I think that sums up pretty well where we are.

01:02:23.800 It's quicker to just say the Labour Party.

01:02:25.280 To your point about this, I mean, this is all a manifestation of it, isn't it?

01:02:29.960 Yes.

01:02:30.320 As you can see, again, the regular people, as you were saying, they're the ones who are the enemies of the state.

01:02:36.860 They are the threat to the current order.

01:02:39.380 And they're well aware of this.

01:02:41.420 And so the question that I asked earlier was, well, how do they know it's the same people?

01:02:46.780 How do they know who they've been, exactly?

01:02:49.200 And the answer is that they're using terrorist tracking software to monitor who's going to these protests.

01:02:54.860 So this is a Whitehall disinformation unit that has used tools that were created to hunt for jihadists to find critics of asylum hotels, according to The Telegraph.

01:03:05.580 The secretive team was this week revealed to have flagged concerning narratives about migrants to tech platforms during the Southport riots.

01:03:14.420 In 2017, ministers commissioned this, again, under the Conservatives, commissioned a company called Faculty, which is an AI firm, to search for recruitment videos posted by the Islamic State.

01:03:27.020 And Faculty has sold this software to the government to monitor foreign interference in the elections.

01:03:32.160 And now it can be used for domestic purposes.

01:03:34.080 So they're going to use AI to track the people who arrive at these protests.

01:03:38.300 And who knows where this goes after that?

01:03:42.000 This is just where we're at now.

01:03:43.520 Well, it's dystopian, isn't it?

01:03:45.000 I mean, that's putting it lightly.

01:03:48.580 But no, yes, it's completely dystopian, which is why the Americans have completely, completely seen this and said, right, OK, there's just something wrong with Britain at this point.

01:03:59.140 Can we play this, Samson, in the full screen?

01:04:01.700 1984 called and he wants its truth, ministry of truth back.

01:04:06.340 The UK has created an elite police unit known as the National Internet Intelligence Investigations Team, dedicated to monitoring anti-migrant social media posts.

01:04:18.760 Leaders claim its purpose is to detect early signs of potential unrest.

01:04:24.160 Unrest like this protest and counter-protest had erupted after a 38-year-old asylum-seeking migrant was charged with sexual assault.

01:04:31.700 Brutal assault for attempting to kiss a 14-year-old girl.

01:04:34.920 Despite the surveillance, UK's prime minister insists he still believes in free speech.

01:04:40.520 We've had free speech for a very, very long time here.

01:04:43.580 We're very proud about that.

01:04:44.820 We're protected.

01:04:47.880 Well, with us now to react is public news...

01:04:50.820 We'll leave that there.

01:04:51.940 But you can see that the Americans are just looking on in horror of what's happening in Britain.

01:04:56.720 So we are genuinely, it's an Orwellian dystopia that's being created in front of our eyes.

01:05:01.740 Well, did you see that interview where Trump was very relaxed and Starmer was sitting there...

01:05:07.800 I did.

01:05:08.400 ...with his lip quivering, looking very nervous, while Donald Trump was talking about all sorts of issues which he believes are plaguing Britain?

01:05:17.680 And he's correct about it.

01:05:18.620 But I think, you know, in the same way we rely now on what Elon Musk has done at Twitter, which, by the way, is an incredible example of what can be done.

01:05:27.260 If you, I think he probably overpaid for it, although he will probably prove me wrong on that.

01:05:32.320 But he then cut out 80% of the staff, and it now works a lot better.

01:05:35.740 And we actually have got a free speech platform.

01:05:38.620 We haven't got these algorithms that sort of legislate against free speech.

01:05:42.680 So I think Elon Musk has done the most fantastic job.

01:05:46.340 I know he's closely watching what's happening.

01:05:49.200 And I think the Americans are too.

01:05:50.720 I actually went, they asked me to go to the American embassy the other day, and I know they're watching what's happening here with some concern.

01:05:57.340 And so they should be.

01:05:59.520 I mean, this is against all of the essence of, as you and I were talking earlier, Anglo-Saxon fairness.

01:06:08.140 It's against all the essence of our laws.

01:06:11.600 It's against everything that we stand for.

01:06:14.560 The whole spirit of this country.

01:06:15.780 So when you see little men like Keir Starmer setting up units like this with the support of a malign police leadership, you really have to start to get worried.

01:06:26.520 And I think people are quite right now to stand up because, as you say, if they don't stand up in numbers, this is a gradual creep towards statism, which, as we all know, with the communists, ended with a huge loss of personal freedom.

01:06:43.560 And that's what we're going to lose if we're not careful.

01:06:46.080 This is the country we are giving to our children and grandchildren.

01:06:49.080 That's the problem.

01:06:50.320 It's horrific.

01:06:51.580 Sorry.

01:06:51.900 Yeah.

01:06:52.300 So, I mean, this is why we've got our campaign against digital ID and for a digital bill of rights that sets out the parameters of what can be done in terms of our privacy.

01:07:03.260 And, you know, remember Hannah Arendt makes the point that if you can't have a private life, you can't have a public life and you collapse both.

01:07:09.660 And we've seen that in the worst examples historically.

01:07:11.940 Now, what's going on?

01:07:14.880 It's horrendous.

01:07:16.400 It's so ironic and hypocritical and wrong.

01:07:19.560 But just something that's been set up to pursue actual jihadi terrorists then is then weaponized and sent to our own citizens and British subjects who are like lawfully, peacefully asking questions about things like jihadi terrorists.

01:07:37.040 I mean, it is just so insulting and very dangerous.

01:07:40.860 And if any of them are watching, because I think people do tend to watch things.

01:07:45.580 I've no doubt.

01:07:46.120 But you guys, you do need to have a little think about all of this and take a big, big step back.

01:07:52.440 The point, but the thing what's happening now is that this is being discussed openly everywhere, right?

01:07:56.360 Unlike what was happening before.

01:07:57.700 So partly because of what Elon Musk had done and that we've got initiatives in Britain like the Free Speech Union, like Together, like people like yourself.

01:08:05.980 There are a lot of people we've got now, citizen journalists.

01:08:08.040 A lot more people are making their voice heard.

01:08:09.680 By the way, Bev Turner was brilliant.

01:08:11.220 See, this is the other thing.

01:08:12.020 She asked a number of questions of President Trump and and Keir Starmer and Keir Starmer.

01:08:17.740 You can see they haven't put it out on their social media since then.

01:08:20.260 Many of those points and questions because it was embarrassing.

01:08:23.140 It was a disgrace to be, you know, when you're British, it was embarrassing. 1.00

01:08:26.600 But the Trumpian moment was so exciting.

01:08:29.240 And having gone through Trump 1.0, he'd recognized all of these things about, you know, people getting in the way of democratic impulse.

01:08:36.480 The non-elected people doing that to him, how you could have a coup, how you could almost get hoisted on a petard if you challenged all those globalists.

01:08:45.140 He went through all of that and he was like, and now we've got something really inspiring.

01:08:48.880 And I was there at the inauguration and just interviewing people, talking to them and everything.

01:08:52.760 And I'm like, this whole American spirit of possibility of like different people that has been put together are kind of like that cabinet reflects so many different things.

01:09:01.260 Someone like Jay Bhattacharya, the head of the NIH.

01:09:03.180 I mean, a minute ago, they were the deplorables, the unspeakables.

01:09:06.900 You couldn't, you know, they were saying, they're calling us all sorts of things, deniers.

01:09:10.080 So the thing is, things are changing, but we need to really get to grips with this.

01:09:13.900 And the digital ID thing is where everything's kind of comes together.

01:09:18.440 Free speech, like the Online Safety Act, how you surveil and control and target people, what you're doing financially.

01:09:25.400 The head of the Bank of International Settlements, the CEO said we can track every single transaction.

01:09:29.600 Cash, a significant section of the public, elderly population.

01:09:33.500 Well, central banks need to be made transparent and there's some very odd stuff going on.

01:09:37.020 But I thought with the Trump, the Trump situation, about the only thing Starmer said in Sadiq Khan's defence was that he's a friend of mine.

01:09:46.060 Well, what would you say in defence of Sadiq Khan?

01:09:48.060 Is he proud of that?

01:09:48.840 I mean, that's quite extraordinary, isn't it?

01:09:50.420 Well, there's very little to be said in defence of Sadiq Khan, isn't there?

01:09:53.000 I mean, he's made an absolute hash of them.

01:09:54.660 Steady on, he's my friend.

01:09:55.700 Yeah, well, that speaks volumes, but.

01:09:57.100 Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

01:09:58.900 Yeah.

01:09:59.260 No, no, you're absolutely right.

01:10:00.440 So I would just say that if people agree with this, they should get involved with this because the Digital Bill of Rights, to create something in Britain that is clear and that says you're not allowed to do it, like there has been precedent set.

01:10:11.720 You have to have a warrant.

01:10:12.960 You know, the Englishman's home is his castle was set on a precedent.

01:10:16.180 The idea that you can listen on someone's telephone or look at their mail through the Royal Mail, or now not the Royal Mail, but you have to have legal parameters around that.

01:10:25.620 And they were fought for.

01:10:26.840 And often people died for things like that.

01:10:29.460 And we need to ring fence and protect those liberties.

01:10:32.600 And we have a sense of responsibility and duty.

01:10:35.360 And I think that if everyone wants to get involved in that, that would put a lot of pressure on making that happen.

01:10:40.500 Because at the moment, this cavalier approach, it could be in a 15 minute city or low traffic neighbourhoods.

01:10:45.160 It could be in about approach to what your view is on farming.

01:10:48.640 It could be about net zero.

01:10:49.800 But we're all going to fall foul of this.

01:10:51.940 Right.

01:10:52.120 And if we don't hold the line together, this is going to impact everyone.

01:10:55.420 And once we lose our free speech, there is no real freedom to speak of because we can't discuss anything else or do anything about it.

01:11:00.980 But I think, Alan, this going above what you're saying, you're quite right, because you and I have done a lot for the farmers.

01:11:06.980 We've done a lot.

01:11:07.500 And I'm amazed the small business representatives aren't making more noise because they're going to be affected just like the farmers are.

01:11:15.300 Coastal communities, there's red wool seats, everybody's been left behind.

01:11:18.860 But I think the most important thing here is, and I gave a, I had a 10 minute rule bill on the Weimar Republic.

01:11:26.220 And the interesting thing about the Weimar Republic is that going with currency devaluation is honesty.

01:11:33.860 It gets washed away.

01:11:34.900 And I think what's happening now is our state has become systemically corrupt.

01:11:40.320 And what happens when you get a systemically corrupt state, and just in the last 55 years, the dollar's fallen 99%.

01:11:47.740 So debts have risen.

01:11:51.180 Currencies have depreciated.

01:11:52.680 And the game now, I think, is, it's got to be the only last card they can play is deception.

01:11:59.740 And the final chapter will come when our currencies, the Western currencies, actually finally become what they should be worth.

01:12:10.080 And I'm sure there's central bank manipulation going on to maintain this illusion of currency strength.

01:12:17.720 But I don't think they'll be able to keep it up.

01:12:19.960 And ultimately, if you look at history, and whether it's Judean, whether it's Roman, whoever it is, when their culture goes rotten, in the end, their currency collapses.

01:12:29.000 And that is the end of their power.

01:12:31.440 But before that happens, you do get censorship.

01:12:34.020 You do get desperation.

01:12:35.980 You do get those people who seek power trying to effectively hoodwink the majority of decent, hardworking people.

01:12:43.600 And, you know, in my businesses, I have a huge admiration for the people who work hard.

01:12:50.100 They want to live their lives in a free and honest way.

01:12:54.020 And yet they've got this state above them who is now completely dishonest.

01:12:58.100 And the more I'm in Parliament, the more I see the way it functions, the more I know that we are heading for a national catastrophe.

01:13:07.200 And if we don't become stronger now, it's going to be even more of a catastrophe than is going to happen.

01:13:15.260 And it's going to start with currency depreciation, which is where the end of all evil goes.

01:13:20.760 You can see that this is very much the end of the Blairite paradigm that is unwinding here as well.

01:13:26.040 All of the mechanisms to control people that were put in place by Tony Blair and then his successor, David Cameron.

01:13:35.180 Well, Brown. Don't forget Brown. 1.00

01:13:36.400 Yeah, yeah. Sorry.

01:13:37.080 Brown was almost worse than Blair.

01:13:38.500 I know, I know.

01:13:39.300 But the new Labour paradigm that Blair and Brown both consent to.

01:13:45.860 I mean, Blair, I think, had Derry Irving behind him.

01:13:48.220 Brown is truly a cloth-capped socialist.

01:13:51.920 Yeah, I know.

01:13:52.460 He was trying to create what he saw as a dependency culture, which would always vote Labour.

01:13:58.480 That was his game.

01:13:59.680 But the system itself put in a series of safeguards, which is the 2001 Act that we just referenced and various other ones.

01:14:07.000 And it's now that they're starting to use them.

01:14:09.540 And that's the reason they're starting to use them is because the system itself is going wrong.

01:14:13.880 People are out in the streets.

01:14:15.160 People are out protesting.

01:14:16.080 People are not happy with how things are going.

01:14:17.280 And so you can see that, right, OK, we've set up all these safeguards.

01:14:19.920 We're going to clamp down now.

01:14:21.320 But that signals actually the weakening of the system itself.

01:14:25.180 The reason, like you were saying, the things get bad towards the end.

01:14:28.840 Well, this is it getting bad towards the end.

01:14:30.920 And well, so there are a number of things.

01:14:33.340 I mean, also what happened, we were meant to get with Brexit and didn't happen.

01:14:38.420 And for us now to repeal all sorts of things, which now needs to happen.

01:14:43.000 But I'm...

01:14:43.460 Boris could have done.

01:14:44.140 Yeah.

01:14:44.360 I mean, like absolute betrayal, right?

01:14:47.340 But I am also...

01:14:50.400 The end is nigh end of the world moment or the end of a Western civilisation moment.

01:14:54.900 I think that that discussion has happened for some time.

01:14:57.640 I am concerned.

01:14:58.660 And if you look at people like Burnham and others who talk about managerialism,

01:15:01.880 the rising technocratism, and is it going to be socialism or capitalism?

01:15:05.560 There's been a whole discussion.

01:15:07.080 And we've been sluggish since the 70s.

01:15:09.160 And there's been revaluations.

01:15:10.440 There's been concerns with...

01:15:11.360 And I think sometimes we might look...

01:15:14.040 I take your points very, very strongly, Rupert.

01:15:16.960 But I do also think that there's a potential to create productivity and transform things,

01:15:21.860 to have innovation and design, have a festival of Britain, coastal regeneration, farming,

01:15:26.940 have it protecting our borders, ensuring that our education is done in a certain way.

01:15:31.180 We can revitalise.

01:15:32.400 Just a little...

01:15:33.400 I know you're not saying it's inevitable, you're saying it's late, but I am concerned

01:15:37.980 with the end of...

01:15:38.700 I think that...

01:15:39.320 Hang on, hang on, hang on.

01:15:40.140 So what I was saying was coming to the end.

01:15:42.960 I wasn't saying of Britain.

01:15:44.460 I was saying of the system, of the Blairite paradigm, what they created with new Labour in 1916.

01:15:49.580 What you have to remember, Alan, is...

01:15:50.800 That's coming to an end.

01:15:51.420 And after that ends, I think we can do exactly...

01:15:54.220 I agree.

01:15:54.660 I think there's a lot of positives about Britain if we risk it.

01:15:57.440 If we carry on with another Labour government in 1929, then I think the game's over.

01:16:00.860 No, it's not happening.

01:16:01.660 But, I mean, in our name, both in this country and particularly in America, governments have

01:16:07.240 built up unsustainable levels of debt.

01:16:10.600 And debt, you know what the definition of credit is, suspicion of sleep, right?

01:16:14.560 So when people no longer trust you, your interest rates go through the roof.

01:16:19.080 Yeah.

01:16:19.760 And ultimately, what's been allowed to happen is people, evil people who wanted to maintain

01:16:26.300 power have borrowed, in the name of the taxpaying public, far too much money.

01:16:31.540 We all know that.

01:16:32.660 And that is what's going to unwind.

01:16:34.640 Now, that doesn't mean to say there isn't what I call a bedrock of decency, of entrepreneurialism

01:16:41.620 and of ability within both the US and the UK.

01:16:45.080 But I think there's got to be a complete reawakening as to who we are and what we are.

01:16:51.300 And what's very interesting at the moment, and I've never seen this before, is that I

01:16:55.460 think the American economy is much weaker than it appears to be.

01:16:58.380 But actually, the emerging markets are doing incredibly well.

01:17:02.460 And that says to me that true industrial sort of growth is happening in those countries

01:17:10.680 which respect freedom.

01:17:11.820 They haven't always had freedom, they respect freedom, and they're working towards an industrial

01:17:16.280 style economy.

01:17:18.040 Those are the workers.

01:17:20.260 We are the people who are consuming.

01:17:22.580 And ultimately, what happens is when the workers realize that the consumers are paying

01:17:27.240 with a printed piece of paper, that's when your definition of credit comes into play.

01:17:33.860 Suspicion asleep.

01:17:34.880 They go to themselves, well, why should I do all this work and accept a piece of paper?

01:17:37.740 However, and there is a very, very gentle balance which is about to break, I think.

01:17:46.540 And that's why it's so important that we get our country back, that we actually start

01:17:50.720 to plan for national renewal and national revival.

01:17:54.760 And that is not going to be served well by what I call untargeted mass illegal and legal

01:18:00.760 immigration.

01:18:01.740 OK?

01:18:01.860 And foreign criminals, as you know, I'm totally consistent, they should be deported straight 1.00

01:18:06.780 away back to where they came from. 0.98

01:18:08.680 Don't come here.

01:18:09.020 You're very soft on this, Rupert.

01:18:09.680 Don't come here.

01:18:10.460 Very soft on this.

01:18:11.020 Don't come here and commit crime, Carl.

01:18:13.240 I'd flog them first.

01:18:14.440 Well...

01:18:14.720 Then deport them.

01:18:15.620 A very, very moderate Rupert.

01:18:16.980 So, look, I mean, we put it out on, we put it out every day.

01:18:19.360 People know what we think.

01:18:20.580 We're not, we're not, we don't hide it.

01:18:22.140 Until we get real, I think we've got a rude awakening coming as a country.

01:18:27.540 So, I'm sorry for the interest of time, we've got to carry on.

01:18:30.000 There have been a couple of other things I want to point out here, which is that a man

01:18:34.100 died at one of these protests.

01:18:35.840 He was arrested by the police.

01:18:38.780 And this BBC report tells us his name was Ellis Rocks, 26, who was detained by Greater Manchester

01:18:43.940 Police because of a protest in Wigan.

01:18:49.180 And the, apparently he was found unresponsive in his cell.

01:18:53.180 Apparently he was trying to deal drugs and an arrest was made on suspicion of drug offence

01:18:57.020 and also on suspicion of assault in London.

01:18:59.460 He was found collapsed in his cell at 2.30am on Friday.

01:19:02.900 He had suffered a cardiac arrest on his way to the hospital where he died.

01:19:06.100 There are going to be lots of people who are looking for malfeasance on the part of the

01:19:10.340 police.

01:19:10.580 I'm not sure this is it.

01:19:12.380 But, I mean, the CCTV footage and the body camera footage is being reviewed as part of

01:19:18.840 a Watch Dogs investigation.

01:19:19.620 So I just want to make sure that everyone is aware that this is not indicative yet of any

01:19:24.660 kind of malfeasance on the part of the police.

01:19:26.180 It seems that this may well just be a tragic event that's happened.

01:19:30.860 But there is also the, I'd like to end up talking about Lucy Connolly.

01:19:34.780 So I saw your post about how she'll be the guest of honour at Westminster Debate, reviewing

01:19:39.600 the use of prison for a punishment for social media posts.

01:19:42.200 Would you like to tell us a bit more about that?

01:19:43.420 Well, I spoke to Ray, her husband, last week, or I actually communicated with him on WhatsApp.

01:19:49.420 And we, as you know, when you get 100,000 signatures, you now get a debate in Westminster

01:19:55.240 Hall, as we had on Halal Meat, the one I spoke at the other day, or Halal Slaughter.

01:20:00.840 Yes.

01:20:02.100 So I spoke to Ray because I feel Lucy Connolly's post, whilst it was not a wise thing to post,

01:20:11.900 it was legally, I think, open to interpretation.

01:20:16.280 And I think if she'd had good legal advice, she would never have gone to prison.

01:20:19.560 But she actually pleaded guilty.

01:20:21.380 I suspect it was with legal aid.

01:20:23.520 I haven't gone into that.

01:20:24.880 And as a result, she was sent to prison for longer than some of these men who rape underage

01:20:30.180 white girls go to prison for. 1.00

01:20:33.340 And at the same time, we're releasing violent criminals from prison, which is extraordinary.

01:20:39.700 So I spoke to him.

01:20:40.800 And if we do get a Westminster Hall debate, which we should, it's possible the government

01:20:46.280 might try and slip out of it, because we never know with the government what they're going

01:20:50.200 to do.

01:20:51.740 I thought it'd be a very good idea if Lucy was there with Ray.

01:20:55.340 They're allowed to come and watch.

01:20:57.260 And I think it would lend weight to it.

01:20:59.040 And obviously, I discussed it with him.

01:21:00.600 We had to be very careful, because we don't know what bail conditions are going to be not

01:21:06.160 bailed.

01:21:06.520 So is Lucy...

01:21:07.680 Editions are going to be given to her if she's early released.

01:21:10.400 But I don't think there's any reason why she shouldn't come to a debate.

01:21:14.820 Is she actually physically going to be present, though, is she?

01:21:17.240 If we don't know the date yet.

01:21:19.340 Right.

01:21:19.540 But when we know...

01:21:20.520 Oh, right.

01:21:20.780 After she's released.

01:21:21.740 She will be released, hopefully, this month.

01:21:23.600 I think towards the end of this month.

01:21:24.980 Right.

01:21:25.080 So we aren't expecting this to happen until September, October.

01:21:29.080 When we've got the date, hopefully, she will come with Ray, and she can watch the debate

01:21:34.140 taking place.

01:21:35.100 Excellent.

01:21:35.800 And I hope that we'll see some strong MPs giving powerful speeches about the injustice

01:21:43.580 of what happened to her.

01:21:45.600 But we'll see.

01:21:47.020 A bit like the rape gang.

01:21:49.820 We had a lot of vulnerable girls in Parliament two or three weeks ago, and we did get some

01:21:56.100 MPs turn up and credit to them, but not many.

01:21:59.140 No reform.

01:22:01.620 A couple of Labour.

01:22:03.760 More Labour MPs than...

01:22:05.680 Very few Lib Dems.

01:22:06.640 I don't think there was a Lib Dem there.

01:22:08.620 More Labour MPs than Reform MPs turned up.

01:22:11.920 Oh, yeah.

01:22:12.300 There were no Reform MPs.

01:22:14.800 That's a disgrace.

01:22:15.580 So it was...

01:22:17.840 Look, I mean, this is something we've got to expose, and I don't think until we've been

01:22:22.380 transparent about this issue, the country can't really move on.

01:22:26.880 I think it's such a deep-seated evil that's festering in our gut that we've got to deal

01:22:33.360 with it, and that's what we're hoping our crowdfunder will achieve.

01:22:38.800 But I think with this, I...

01:22:41.060 And again, it goes to your point about social media posts and free speech.

01:22:45.420 And, you know, if people say things that the government doesn't like, that's not a punishable

01:22:52.200 offence.

01:22:52.860 I don't think it should be.

01:22:53.800 That's something which is necessary to hold a government to account.

01:22:58.140 And I always welcome debate within the companies I run.

01:23:02.940 I think the more debate you have, the more you get at logic and truth.

01:23:07.420 I agree.

01:23:07.920 And the more you're transparent, the happier everybody is.

01:23:11.520 So I don't understand why we need opacity when we can have transparency.

01:23:15.840 Well, it's because the system itself is trying to bring into existence something that people

01:23:21.360 don't want.

01:23:22.300 That's why.

01:23:23.060 And everyone can see it.

01:23:24.200 Everyone can see at this point that the kind of Britain that they're trying to create

01:23:27.660 is not the kind of Britain we grew up in and not the kind of Britain that we want to hand

01:23:31.400 down to our children.

01:23:32.560 So that's why they don't want us talking about this.

01:23:34.520 And that's why they came down so damn hard.

01:23:36.700 But we've got lots of comments.

01:23:38.380 I'm only going to read a few, unfortunately, folks, because this has been a very robust

01:23:42.260 conversation.

01:23:43.120 Michael says,

01:23:43.740 The actions by the Bank of England against Liz Truss were nothing short of treason, as

01:23:47.860 you mentioned this earlier.

01:23:49.340 Well, they are an independent agency.

01:23:51.100 Nothing can be done.

01:23:52.200 I'm sorry.

01:23:52.800 Yes, there is something can be done.

01:23:53.960 Name the directors as traitors and drag them before the courts.

01:23:57.560 Well, it's Andrew Bailey, largely.

01:23:59.160 Well, yes.

01:23:59.880 We know his name.

01:24:00.980 Yeah, exactly.

01:24:01.400 It's not a secret.

01:24:02.120 Used to run the FCA.

01:24:03.520 Again, not with great aplomb.

01:24:04.960 But wasn't one of the first things that Tony Blair did in office to make the Bank of England

01:24:09.500 independent?

01:24:10.900 Which, why would we want that?

01:24:12.580 I think it was, yeah, was it?

01:24:13.520 It was him and Gordon Brown, wasn't it?

01:24:14.880 Yeah.

01:24:15.480 What advantage?

01:24:16.500 No, exactly.

01:24:17.320 It's like, but then you have partisan positioning with it.

01:24:21.540 And it was clear what happened with Bailey and what happened with Liz Truss.

01:24:25.800 But I think, a bit like when Barack Obama did that thing with Trump in the press association

01:24:32.220 and made fun of him, there are unintended consequences of those things.

01:24:37.000 And I think that various people have become very infuriated by it.

01:24:41.520 And, you know, as they should do.

01:24:43.900 And I think all these things are building towards a situation where many people who may not have

01:24:49.820 had that much in common 10 years ago or 15 years ago are all now coming together and

01:24:54.680 saying, we're not going to let this happen to our country.

01:24:57.360 And that's a wonderful thing.

01:24:59.100 It's going to be an enormous fight.

01:25:00.520 It's not going to be just because we win to get some applause on social media and do so.

01:25:04.960 It's going to be tough and it's going to be hard.

01:25:07.360 But because it's so deep rooted, what the last three decades of the globalist assault and

01:25:12.580 the technocrats and everyone's got so used to it and financially and politically.

01:25:17.240 But I think at the same time, the stakes are so high and we have no, it's a bit like that.

01:25:24.120 Here I stand, I can do no other moment.

01:25:26.620 No, I completely agree.

01:25:27.420 I mean, one of the first things a patriotic government needs to do is gain control of

01:25:30.880 the Bank of England.

01:25:31.740 Make them accountable to the public.

01:25:33.500 They can't just do this.

01:25:34.540 They could outsource responsibility and then they could say, we're not to blame.

01:25:37.580 It was another one of those moments where they just outsource these things.

01:25:41.060 And as it happens, they've partly done that with censorship.

01:25:43.440 They've outsourced it to Silicon Valley and then there, but they say, we'll charge you

01:25:47.880 18 million or 10% of your revenue and you could go to prison for two years.

01:25:51.640 So then they're here on the side of caution.

01:25:53.700 So it's an ability for them to not take responsibility.

01:25:56.340 Same as what Boris did during lockdowns.

01:25:58.260 Oh, I'll bring the science in, the medics.

01:26:00.520 You're like, well, where's your decisions with judgment and policy?

01:26:03.460 And he was right on his initial judgment.

01:26:05.080 After we saw the WhatsApp message was, well, we just have to take it on the chin.

01:26:07.560 Yes, that's correct.

01:26:08.580 We just had to take it on the chin.

01:26:10.380 But the whole quangocracy, Liz Truss is really correct on this. 0.99

01:26:13.160 The whole thing just needs to be scrapped.

01:26:14.440 Every single one.

01:26:15.460 Well, I think that's right, Carl.

01:26:17.260 I mean, the biggest pervasive damage to our financial system, and by the way, guilt yields

01:26:23.660 are now higher than when Liz Truss was criticized.

01:26:25.740 I know.

01:26:26.460 I know.

01:26:27.000 A lot of it was...

01:26:27.740 I thought the sky was falling.

01:26:28.960 A lot of it was people writing volatility against their pension books.

01:26:33.660 Because with interest rates flat at zero for 10 years, a lot of these pensions needed to

01:26:39.460 generate income.

01:26:40.440 So again, a lot of it was what I call natural market forces, which I think the Bank of England

01:26:43.820 have now admitted.

01:26:44.960 To me, the biggest evil is the central banking, the global central banks who are wired into

01:26:50.760 the World Economic Forum, who are arguably the globalists.

01:26:54.780 This is the globalist agenda, which is the one which the British people voted not to have

01:26:59.160 in 2016.

01:27:00.440 We didn't want it.

01:27:01.920 And a lot of this immigration, I think, is a punishment. 1.00

01:27:04.680 I think, go further.

01:27:06.120 That was what Boris's win was on the back of as well.

01:27:08.220 It's a punishment for the British people exercising a democratic vote, which they were given by

01:27:13.240 David Cameron.

01:27:14.240 Simple question.

01:27:15.160 They gave a simple answer.

01:27:16.500 And even though he tried to influence that decision by sending out a pamphlet at the cost

01:27:21.500 of eight or nine million pounds to every household, the British people still voted to take

01:27:26.720 back their sovereignty.

01:27:27.520 They want their sovereignty back.

01:27:29.160 And I think, to your point, Alan, accountable government has got to be the key.

01:27:34.620 Global government will never be accountable.

01:27:38.080 It never has been and never will be.

01:27:39.920 Look at the European Union.

01:27:41.060 I spent nine months in the belly of the beast, as I call it.

01:27:44.800 And whilst it's a very easy place to be, you travel first class, you get not a very big

01:27:49.520 salary, you get a big, big allowance for staff.

01:27:52.520 If you're interested in going to debates, you can do that.

01:27:55.420 But it costs the European taxpayer a fortune.

01:27:58.800 And as you know, the elected assembly, a bit like our parliament now, which has followed

01:28:02.260 their model, has only a negative veto on legislation that is put forward by the European Commission.

01:28:09.100 And it's becoming almost like that in our parliament now.

01:28:11.620 Because our parliament has been neutered.

01:28:14.160 I mean, it's become powerless in many ways.

01:28:17.500 It's a show.

01:28:18.460 It's a charade.

01:28:19.660 And I think the banking system goes, as I said earlier, it goes to the root of it all.

01:28:24.260 Once your currency collapses, your legitimacy collapses, and then you have to go back to the bedrock of what you are.

01:28:32.780 And if you aren't, you don't stand up and believe in anything, and I'm afraid this DI and all the other nonsense is being rammed down our throats, net zero, all the other rubbish that we get peddled every day.

01:28:47.000 That's not for real.

01:28:48.980 And that's going to basically mean the fall is much harder than if we accept what we are, and we know who we are, and we love our history.

01:28:58.360 I do.

01:28:59.040 I love our history.

01:28:59.720 I think, actually, the way we should summarize all of this is say, because I think a lot of people are actually worried about becoming political.

01:29:08.480 And I'm sorry, but if you can vote, you are a political agent.

01:29:12.460 You hold a shard of sovereignty in your hand when you cast that vote.

01:29:17.660 And the alternative, and this is what all of the system that we're seeing creating around us is, is to get away from politics and reduce everything to mere administration.

01:29:27.860 Look how hard people have fought for the vote, Carl.

01:29:31.620 Well, this is the point.

01:29:33.020 Look how hard women fought for the vote. 1.00

01:29:35.340 This is the point.

01:29:36.320 And the fact that there is now a supranational series of institutions that want to essentially render your vote worthless and reduce you to an administrative unit.

01:29:47.760 Some countries force you to vote.

01:29:49.580 Absolutely, they do.

01:29:50.380 It's the legal obligation to vote.

01:29:52.300 But the nature of the vote is becoming less relevant, and that's the problem with the power of Parliament.

01:29:57.260 Unfortunately, we are out of time at this point, but there is so much more we can do.

01:30:00.100 I'm going to get a parking ticket in a minute.

01:30:01.360 You are, yeah.

01:30:02.380 So I better stop.

01:30:03.340 But, Alan, where can people find more from you?

01:30:05.320 They can find us at togetherdeclaration.org and at togetherdeckonx, and we're across all the other social platforms as well.

01:30:12.740 Great.

01:30:13.720 Rupert, where can people find more from you?

01:30:15.100 Well, Restore Britain, Carl, is now up and running.

01:30:18.940 We've had a tremendous response to membership and to the Cromwell Club, and we've had some donations, which is fantastic.

01:30:26.460 And during the course of the summer, we're going to be working on our Direct Democracy app, which we're in the throes of putting together.

01:30:34.460 And what we want is that we want our membership to grow as big as it possibly can,

01:30:38.000 and then we want them to have as much say as they would like to have on putative policy that we put forward.

01:30:44.080 And you can see we're putting some stuff forward on a regular basis.

01:30:47.620 So, I mean, I see a movement being the most powerful force to try and unite rather than divide.

01:30:56.580 And it may well then play a part in how we're governed going forward, depending on what happens.

01:31:01.540 But I think it keeps all the options open, and it unifies, which I think is very important.

01:31:09.960 So, I've got an ambition to try and stand up for what I think is right.

01:31:17.080 I may be disappointed.

01:31:19.260 I accept that.

01:31:19.960 If people don't share my view that we need change, then I accept that.

01:31:23.400 And I can paddle off at some stage between now and 29 and go and enjoy my life, which I was arguably doing before I got into the fray.

01:31:32.920 But I think now what happened to me with reform has irritated me.

01:31:37.200 What happened, I can see the malignancy that is close to power.

01:31:42.760 You can feel it every day.

01:31:44.900 And the more you try and achieve, the more that malignancy becomes evident.

01:31:49.720 And whether that's through the media, whether it's through the Parliamentary Commissioner on Standards,

01:31:54.540 whether it's through, you know...

01:31:56.920 Regulation.

01:31:58.340 Regulation.

01:31:58.900 Well, the FCA and the PRA, in Parliament I spoke the other day, and so the Labour Minister said,

01:32:04.040 so you'd get rid of the PRA and the FCA?

01:32:06.720 I said, yes, I would.

01:32:08.360 Obviously.

01:32:09.080 I would.

01:32:09.480 I'd go back to caveat emptor, buyer beware.

01:32:12.680 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:32:13.100 You know, this car stuff.

01:32:14.680 Today, I've been irritated by the fact that, you know, everybody's getting this compensation.

01:32:19.740 Hang on a second.

01:32:21.080 Why didn't you read the small print?

01:32:23.200 Who is responsible for you signing a contract?

01:32:25.700 You are.

01:32:26.220 No functioning society can work properly if individual responsibility does not lie at the heart of it.

01:32:33.620 So, no, I don't agree with all this nonsense.

01:32:36.520 I would get rid of the FCA and the PRA.

01:32:38.740 I think they've done more damage to our financial markets since Tony Blair and the Financial Services Market Act of 2000,

01:32:46.460 another Blairite initiative which created the FSA and then became the FCA and the PRA.

01:32:52.040 So, look, I mean, we can go on for hours and hours, Carl.

01:32:55.420 We can, but we can't.

01:32:56.000 I'm definitely, my Carl will be towed away.

01:32:57.580 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:32:58.080 And Swindon municipality will be in receipt of a very large check from me.

01:33:03.180 Good luck wrestling with them.

01:33:04.360 Anyway, thank you so much for joining me, gentlemen.

01:33:06.020 It's been a real pleasure.

01:33:07.040 Thanks for joining us, folks, and we will see you tomorrow.

01:33:09.100 We'll see you tomorrow.

01:33:09.700 We'll see you tomorrow.

01:33:14.440 We'll see you tomorrow.

The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - August 04, 2025

The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1222

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