The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1232

00:00:00.000 Who are the men that pick for scraps amongst the ruins at the end of history?

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00:00:10.440 Between the towering buildings of a fallen empire, we find the Fellaheen, the historyless

00:00:16.240 men, who know nothing of the turning of the cosmic wheel and find themselves outside of

00:00:21.640 civilization itself.

00:00:24.000 Cut loose from the great chain of being, they represent the loan into which our dying culture 1.00

00:00:29.600 will return.

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00:00:50.080 Good afternoon ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the podcast of the Load Seaters for Monday

00:00:53.160 the 18th of August 2025.

00:00:55.160 I'm joined by Stelios and Charlie Downs.

00:00:57.600 How's coming in Charlie, how are you?

00:00:59.160 Great to be here as always.

00:01:00.160 I'm very well.

00:01:01.160 Yourself?

00:01:02.160 Very, very well.

00:01:03.160 Warm for some reason today.

00:01:04.160 It's not even warm.

00:01:05.160 It's actually cooled off.

00:01:06.160 Yeah, I know.

00:01:07.160 It's really quite cool.

00:01:08.160 And yet I'm personally feeling very hot.

00:01:09.160 How are you doing, Stelios?

00:01:10.160 I'm really well.

00:01:11.160 Should we start?

00:01:12.160 Well, we will in a minute, because we're going to be talking about how Ricky Jones got

00:01:14.700 away with it.

00:01:15.700 Which, of course he did.

00:01:16.700 Of course he did. 0.99

00:01:17.700 If you're a Labour counsellor, you can call for people to have their throats slit and 0.99

00:01:21.700 that'd be fine. 0.98

00:01:22.700 If you're a right wing.

00:01:23.700 Don't say anything on the internet.

00:01:25.700 How an illegal immigrant in America killed three people and didn't care. 1.00

00:01:29.700 Just had no impact on him at all. 0.57

00:01:32.700 Sleep like a baby that night, unfortunately.

00:01:34.700 And how Generation Z is resurrecting God.

00:01:37.700 Much to...

00:01:38.700 Well, I mean, honestly, Nietzsche's going to be very happy about this.

00:01:41.700 Because he was never...

00:01:42.700 This is always the thing.

00:01:43.700 Everyone they are on Nietzsche was in favour of the death of God.

00:01:45.700 No, it was a tragedy.

00:01:46.700 It was a terrible thing that happened.

00:01:48.700 But apparently they're going back to church, which is nice.

00:01:50.700 And it needs to be done.

00:01:51.700 Anyway, right.

00:01:52.700 Let's begin.

00:01:53.700 So last week we encountered a very bad verdict.

00:01:58.700 I would say it's a very nonsensical and unjust verdict.

00:02:01.700 According to which Labour Councillor Ricky Jones was found not guilty.

00:02:05.700 So basically he got away with it.

00:02:07.700 Now, who was and who is Labour Councillor Ricky Jones?

00:02:12.700 About a year ago, he was in a counter protest in Walthamstow

00:02:18.700 where he was speaking against the riots as well as other protests

00:02:23.700 about the Southport murders.

00:02:25.700 Yeah, this was directly in the wake of the Southport riots.

00:02:28.700 Exactly.

00:02:29.700 A very high tension, very rowdy time.

00:02:34.700 And this was the counter protest as you can see being funded,

00:02:38.700 at least in parts by the Socialist Workers Party.

00:02:41.700 Exactly.

00:02:42.700 And he was a Labour councillor in Dartford in Kent.

00:02:47.700 He went there to this counter protest in Walthamstow.

00:02:51.700 I think it's the north towards the north of London.

00:02:54.700 Yeah.

00:02:55.700 And he led this chant before he led the free, free Palestine chant,

00:03:00.700 which doesn't seem to me particularly pertinent to the Southport murders.

00:03:05.700 It seemed to me to be unrelated.

00:03:06.700 Wow.

00:03:07.700 It's an omni-course thing, isn't it?

00:03:08.700 Like, it's just when everything is just packaged together.

00:03:10.700 It's everything, just everything at once.

00:03:12.700 They're probably calling for climate justice immediately afterwards.

00:03:14.700 Yes, exactly.

00:03:15.700 An Amnesty International there.

00:03:17.700 This lady there was cheering. 0.94

00:03:18.700 So before he led the free, free Palestine chant,

00:03:22.700 he essentially incited people to violence.

00:03:25.700 And we are going to play this.

00:03:27.700 If that's not incitement to violence, I don't know what is.

00:03:30.700 There seems to be an exhortation to engage in violent acts.

00:03:34.700 Absolutely.

00:03:35.700 And we're going to play this for YouTube purposes.

00:03:37.700 Obviously, I'm going to say I'm not in favor of it.

00:03:40.700 Yeah.

00:03:41.700 But let's play it.

00:03:43.700 That's the one finger as well.

00:04:08.700 Yeah.

00:04:09.700 Yeah.

00:04:10.700 In the, you know, pointing to the throat and...

00:04:12.700 Oh, yeah.

00:04:13.700 I mean, yeah, yeah.

00:04:14.700 This whole thing.

00:04:15.700 Like, I saw the BBC coverage where they're like,

00:04:16.700 well, he drew his thumb across his throat.

00:04:17.700 And it's like, but he did also say, 1.00

00:04:19.700 we need to cut the throats of this fascist and throw them out. 1.00

00:04:22.700 By the way, it does say on that placard there, 1.00

00:04:24.700 that professionally produced printed placard.

00:04:26.700 It says socialist worker at the top, yeah.

00:04:28.700 It says smash fascism and racism by any means necessary.

00:04:33.700 And so they are telling you who they are.

00:04:35.700 And those means are violence.

00:04:36.700 Yeah.

00:04:37.700 I personally enjoyed the little white women who are just like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 1.00

00:04:41.700 You saw that woman like directly on his right. 1.00

00:04:43.700 Yeah.

00:04:44.700 She did go a bit like, ooh. 1.00

00:04:45.700 Yeah. 0.95

00:04:46.700 When he said to cut the throats.

00:04:47.700 And then she was like, yeah. 0.96

00:04:48.700 She was elated.

00:04:49.700 Yeah.

00:04:50.700 It's all a bit of fun for these people.

00:04:51.700 It was a religious experience for them.

00:04:52.700 Yeah.

00:04:53.700 But I mean, I don't know how that's not incitement. 1.00

00:04:55.700 Like we need to cut the throats of these people and throw them out. 1.00

00:04:58.700 Yeah. 1.00

00:04:59.700 Okay.

00:05:00.700 I would consider that.

00:05:01.700 I've never called for cutting the throats of anyone.

00:05:03.700 Yeah.

00:05:04.700 I would think that was how I was inciting if I was.

00:05:07.700 He got away with it.

00:05:08.700 Yeah.

00:05:09.700 Right.

00:05:10.700 Can we talk about the Omni cause very quickly if we can go back a second?

00:05:13.700 Just because I find this to be one of the really interesting things how they happen to be on the same team for absolutely everything.

00:05:19.700 Yeah.

00:05:20.700 I mean, you can see here.

00:05:21.700 Socialist workers smash fascism, racism, by any means necessary, free, free Palestine.

00:05:27.700 And then I know what their opinions are on climate change.

00:05:30.700 Abortion.

00:05:31.700 Abortion.

00:05:32.700 Veganism. 0.79

00:05:33.700 You know, I know what their opinions are on everything.

00:05:34.700 Because notice that their entire worldview is anti the West.

00:05:39.700 And I mean that like genuinely, like all of the pillars that make the West strong as in, you know, free speech, political rights, you know, anything that we consider natural and normal to a healthy society, they're completely against.

00:05:56.700 Yeah.

00:05:57.700 But you look at the makeup of this crowd.

00:05:59.700 Look at the faces around this Ricky Jones character.

00:06:01.700 And it's all, you know, from the looks of it, middle class white people.

00:06:04.700 Yeah.

00:06:05.700 Because Walthamstow, I've spent some time in Walthamstow, and it's one of these areas of London that is very, at once very diverse.

00:06:10.700 And you have like, you know, halal butchers and Eritrean fast food shops, and then you have like hyper liberal white people.

00:06:16.700 And also let us not forget that when he's talking about Nazi fascists, he is talking about people who disagree with all these demands.

00:06:25.700 Yeah.

00:06:26.700 Because we know that the establishment is using these words very liberally.

00:06:29.700 Yeah.

00:06:30.700 They are doing it to even describe policies they were advocating five, 10 years ago.

00:06:34.700 Yeah.

00:06:35.700 Maybe 10, 15.

00:06:36.700 Yeah.

00:06:37.700 Right.

00:06:38.700 So we have this article here from the BBC.

00:06:40.700 He said that he spoke in the heat of the moment.

00:06:43.700 I mean.

00:06:44.700 Like the song goes.

00:06:45.700 It was the heat of the moment.

00:06:46.700 I guess he did. 0.99

00:06:47.700 He was in the middle of trying to encourage a crowd to go and cut the throats of fascists. 1.00

00:06:51.700 Right. 0.99

00:06:52.700 That is the heat of the moment.

00:06:53.700 He was suspended by the Labour Party the day after the alleged incident.

00:06:57.700 Look at this frame.

00:06:58.700 Even the BBC.

00:06:59.700 A Labour councillor who called for far right protesters throats to be cut.

00:07:02.700 So we're just conceding that they definitely are far right protesters.

00:07:05.700 Right.

00:07:06.700 Yeah.

00:07:07.700 But we're also conceding that he definitely did it.

00:07:08.700 Yeah.

00:07:09.700 Well, quite.

00:07:10.700 Yeah.

00:07:11.700 Right.

00:07:12.700 So he pleaded not guilty.

00:07:13.700 Now, as far as I'm concerned, if I have this video, if I'm watching this video and someone pleads not guilty,

00:07:18.700 that's even, that's a reason on its own to increase their punishment and their sentence.

00:07:23.700 The lie.

00:07:24.700 It's not a reason to let them away.

00:07:25.700 The lie.

00:07:26.700 Because it means that there is zero remorse.

00:07:29.700 There's zero remorse.

00:07:30.700 Right.

00:07:31.700 So what they did also was that he said that the comments were made in the heat of the moment.

00:07:36.700 He denied encouraging violence, violent disorder.

00:07:40.700 I mean, the party asked you to disbelieve your own eyes.

00:07:44.700 Yeah.

00:07:45.700 Of course.

00:07:46.700 It's got a different interpretation of what cutting throats means.

00:07:48.700 Yeah.

00:07:49.700 Yeah.

00:07:50.700 Maybe.

00:07:51.700 I don't know why I was talking, but also curious how it was an isolated incident.

00:07:55.700 Oh yeah.

00:07:56.700 So it wasn't an indication of a, any such thing as far leftist extremism, such as they would

00:08:02.700 be in, in other cases where they, any, any mild criticism of the establishment is immediately

00:08:08.700 credited or blamed upon a far right epidemic.

00:08:13.700 That was neurodivergent challenges. 0.98

00:08:15.700 Oh, well, I mean, if he's going to, he's mentally impaired.

00:08:19.700 Yeah.

00:08:20.700 And how exactly can it be expected to be a counselor or anything like this?

00:08:23.700 Always makes me laugh this by the way.

00:08:24.700 Cause like what they're basically saying there is like, Oh no, don't worry.

00:08:27.700 He was, it's fine that he called for people's throats to be cut. 1.00

00:08:29.700 Cause he's insane. 1.00

00:08:30.700 Yes. 0.95

00:08:31.700 And, but this is a, this is a, an excuse they use constantly when it's some migrant who

00:08:36.700 commits a terrible crime.

00:08:37.700 It's like, Oh, he can't be sent to jail.

00:08:39.700 Why? 0.99

00:08:40.700 Cause he's mental. 0.99

00:08:41.700 Yeah. 0.61

00:08:42.700 It's like, well, why is he on the streets?

00:08:43.700 Yeah.

00:08:44.700 Because we don't have any asylums anymore. 0.99

00:08:45.700 That's why.

00:08:46.700 Bye.

00:08:47.700 Off you go.

00:08:48.700 Yeah.

00:08:49.700 Well, that's how we have cars and knives with mental illnesses across the West.

00:08:51.700 Gives new meaning to the term asylums.

00:08:52.700 The agreed facts read by Mr. Holt, who was the prosecutor stated, the experts agree that

00:08:57.700 these challenges maybe may contribute to impulsive verbal responses in emotionally charged situations.

00:09:04.700 Well, if I'm ever in court, I'm going to use this as my defense.

00:09:07.700 Yeah.

00:09:08.700 It was, I was, I suffer from a number of neurodivergent challenges.

00:09:10.700 I'm autistic.

00:09:11.700 And this contributes to impulsive verbal responses.

00:09:14.700 When I'm in emotionally charged situations, like being on trial.

00:09:18.700 But also you need to say to add something to it.

00:09:23.700 Something that you need to add is that these challenges can impair his ability to plan responses

00:09:28.700 and inhibit inappropriate remarks.

00:09:31.700 So you're never guilty of hate speech.

00:09:33.700 Okay.

00:09:34.700 That's all.

00:09:35.700 Why did the crowd?

00:09:36.700 Why did the crowd cheer?

00:09:38.700 Why did the crowd cheer?

00:09:39.700 Yeah.

00:09:40.700 Why weren't they like, Oh, right. 0.98

00:09:41.700 This guy's mental. 0.99

00:09:42.700 He's got, he's genuinely insane. 1.00

00:09:44.700 Yeah.

00:09:45.700 And this is just an emotionally charged situation where he's making inappropriate remarks.

00:09:49.700 No, they were all like, yeah, bravo.

00:09:50.700 We do need to do that.

00:09:51.700 Right.

00:09:52.700 It's so unbelievable in the context of the thing.

00:09:55.700 It's for two reasons that they cheered.

00:09:57.700 Yeah.

00:09:58.700 And it's over-determination.

00:09:59.700 You could, it would still be the same outcome if one, either of them was absent.

00:10:04.700 It's one is they agree with it.

00:10:05.700 The other is they're, they're literally programmed to be tribal.

00:10:09.700 Mm-hmm.

00:10:10.700 But so.

00:10:11.700 Well, I was just going to say, I mean, I don't know what the legal landscape is in terms of

00:10:14.700 this sort of area, but all of those people's faces are on video cheering and cheering on

00:10:18.700 calls for violence.

00:10:19.700 Is there no sort of legal proceedings that could be brought against them?

00:10:22.700 Nope.

00:10:23.700 Apparently not.

00:10:24.700 Yeah.

00:10:25.700 There was rumors about how much the court case lasted, how much the jury trial lasted,

00:10:32.700 that ranged from between seven to 30 minutes.

00:10:35.700 Now, he was given the following legal advice.

00:10:40.700 Plead not guilty.

00:10:41.700 Why?

00:10:42.700 Because the whole thing was supposed to establish whether there was the criminal intent.

00:10:47.700 What is called in Latin mens rea, according to which it has to be present in order for

00:10:52.700 someone to be pronounced guilty, for a verdict to say that it's, this person is guilty.

00:10:57.700 And essentially they said that we're going to have a jury trial.

00:11:01.700 We're going to have 12 jurors that are going to be selected randomly.

00:11:06.700 Yes.

00:11:07.700 Randomly from his local community.

00:11:10.700 I know.

00:11:11.700 That's, that's what it says.

00:11:13.700 The jurors are supposed to be chosen randomly.

00:11:16.700 Yep.

00:11:17.700 Yep.

00:11:18.700 And it lasted around seven to 30 minutes.

00:11:21.700 That's what the reports are saying.

00:11:23.700 And imagine that seven minutes.

00:11:26.700 Yeah.

00:11:27.700 I mean, to be fair, it is pretty cut and dry.

00:11:29.700 Well, yeah.

00:11:30.700 If it was a conviction, then yeah, it would have been cut and dry.

00:11:33.700 But after seven minutes, no, he's not guilty.

00:11:35.700 It's like, really?

00:11:36.700 Really?

00:11:37.700 Okay.

00:11:38.700 Also, there have been extra rumors going around about the, let's say the diverse nature of

00:11:44.700 the jurors.

00:11:45.700 Um, they are, haven't been confirmed yet.

00:11:48.700 That's why I'm not going to show anything, but there have been concerns about who was

00:11:55.700 part of the jury.

00:11:56.700 I have seen people saying that something like half the jury was diverse.

00:12:00.700 Yes.

00:12:01.700 Um, I-

00:12:02.700 Dartford is a very diverse place.

00:12:03.700 Well, I was going to say, yeah, it is a very diverse place.

00:12:05.700 So it would probably be virtually impossible not to have a diverse jury.

00:12:08.700 Um, and that then leads on to further questions of, okay, what does a jury of my peers actually

00:12:14.700 mean in a multicultural society?

00:12:17.700 Because I mean, like, if, if this was in Lebanon or something, and you got a jury full

00:12:22.700 of, uh, people of a different religion to you, if you were say like for us, Druze or

00:12:26.700 Christian, and you've got a jury of Muslims, you'd be like, well, these aren't my peers. 1.00

00:12:31.700 Uh, and I don't really consider there to be a collective we between us and the diversity.

00:12:35.700 Yeah.

00:12:36.700 So are they my peers?

00:12:38.700 Uh, and I saw Lawrence Fox posting about this quite, quite hard actually because I like,

00:12:42.700 basically we've got a right to have a jury of white men.

00:12:44.700 Yeah.

00:12:45.700 And it's like, well, kind of.

00:12:46.700 Yeah.

00:12:47.700 Like, like, you know, if there's going to be this kind of post liberal ethnic voting

00:12:52.700 block politics, that's what it will end up having to come down to.

00:12:57.700 I have to say that the institution of jury trial is an important one and I am going to

00:13:04.700 abstain from denying it.

00:13:05.700 But the problem.

00:13:06.700 No, no, no.

00:13:07.700 I'm not counter signaling you.

00:13:08.700 I know, I know.

00:13:09.700 I want to add another bit to the mix.

00:13:10.700 But I just want to be clear.

00:13:11.700 Like the, the, the assumption that underpins a jury trial is that these people don't have

00:13:15.700 an intrinsic ethnic animus against you.

00:13:17.700 Yeah.

00:13:18.700 And that's the assumption.

00:13:19.700 All preference for you.

00:13:20.700 All preference for you.

00:13:21.700 All preference for you.

00:13:22.700 That's likely what part of this issue with the jury trial is that you are appealing to

00:13:26.700 in a sense, your people, because your people have the, your culture and they can judge better

00:13:32.700 whether what you're doing in your own culture constitutes an offense or not.

00:13:37.700 Exactly.

00:13:38.700 And if it is, to what extent?

00:13:39.700 What's the degree of your culpability?

00:13:41.700 Which poses several problems for multicultural random jury picking because you don't know what

00:13:50.700 culture they are from.

00:13:51.700 And you don't know to what extent they are sharing your common values.

00:13:55.700 And even now British culture is still a lot more genteel than many of the cultures these 1.00

00:13:59.700 people are coming from.

00:14:00.700 Yeah.

00:14:01.700 And so calling for people's throats to be slit, well that might be quite normal in, you know, 1.00

00:14:05.700 Uganda or wherever, you know, but it's not normal here.

00:14:08.700 Yeah.

00:14:09.700 Well, I've had this conversation with my good friend and colleague, Harrison Pitt in the

00:14:12.700 past about how in a diverse society, you know, well, essentially the ethnic and the racial

00:14:17.700 precedes the political, right?

00:14:19.700 And the political can only really take place in an ethnically homogenous society because

00:14:23.700 when you have an ethnically diverse society, politics becomes.

00:14:27.700 I wouldn't say the political precedes it because no, the political is always going to happen.

00:14:32.700 It's the character of the political.

00:14:34.700 That's about what I was saying.

00:14:35.700 Sure.

00:14:36.700 What we're dealing with here, you imagine this jury sort of, you know, you imagine an

00:14:39.700 England that is, you know, majority, super majority English, right?

00:14:43.700 95 plus percent.

00:14:44.700 In that sort of situation, the ethnic in-group preference of the English for an English perpetrator

00:14:50.700 or accused doesn't, wouldn't really come through because everyone is English.

00:14:54.700 Whereas in a diverse society, it like in this situation, for example, the ethnic preference

00:14:58.700 of the jurors for the, you know, for the accused may come through in their decision and

00:15:03.700 likely has done given this.

00:15:04.700 I mean, the best example of this, the OJ Simpson trial, like, sorry, some of the jurors came

00:15:09.700 out years after the event and said, yeah, no, I voted for acquittal because he was black. 1.00

00:15:12.700 Yeah.

00:15:13.700 It's literally that simple.

00:15:14.700 Yes.

00:15:15.700 And the thing is, like, we, we don't understand the, the, just how clannish like foreign cultures

00:15:19.700 are.

00:15:20.700 I had a Greek friend and not used to us, but I had a Greek friend who I was having a conversation

00:15:24.700 with him a few years ago.

00:15:25.700 I was like, look, if your cousin stole a car, would you tell the police?

00:15:29.700 And he was like, no.

00:15:30.700 I was like, right, there we go.

00:15:31.700 That that's why we have the culture we have.

00:15:34.700 And you guys don't, you know, sorry.

00:15:36.700 It's just that simple.

00:15:37.700 Yeah.

00:15:38.700 We, we are very particular about this sort of thing.

00:15:42.700 And we, we, our clan is the entire country is basically what it comes down to.

00:15:46.700 And your clan is absolutely not, you know, your clan is a very small group of people that

00:15:50.700 look out for each other.

00:15:51.700 So it's, it's like, look, we've got, we've got a bunch of people here who are just not

00:15:55.700 fit for jury trial.

00:15:56.700 That's the point.

00:15:57.700 I mean, that is the character our politics has now, you know, and it perverts the course

00:16:00.700 of justice.

00:16:01.700 And so because we're talking about a multicultural society that imports millions of people from

00:16:07.700 total strangers, from outside.

00:16:08.700 When you're importing people from, from the entire world, you're also importing the conflicts 1.00

00:16:14.700 of the world.

00:16:15.700 So the, it seems like in this case, the conflicts of the world that have nothing to do with Britain,

00:16:22.700 post Southport riots and demonstration in August, 2024, when this exhortation and incitement

00:16:32.700 to violence took place, it seems like they played a part in the jury decision.

00:16:37.700 Yeah.

00:16:38.700 I mean, like politically, it's going to be self evident that that area is going to be highly

00:16:42.700 labor centric, right?

00:16:44.700 They're going to have a certain political bias because these are the client groups that

00:16:47.700 labor not only brought in, but have been cultivating with donations, with handouts. 0.98

00:16:51.700 And so, okay, so you've got a labor counselor who is yelling free, free Palestine, kill all 0.99

00:16:56.700 the fascists. 0.98

00:16:57.700 If you've got a bunch of diehard labor voting people on the jury, well, I mean, obviously

00:17:00.700 I support him.

00:17:01.700 Yeah.

00:17:02.700 Obviously I don't think he's guilty.

00:17:03.700 I mean, why wouldn't I think that?

00:17:04.700 Yeah.

00:17:05.700 You know?

00:17:06.700 Right.

00:17:07.700 So we have this article here from Gov UK understanding the jury process.

00:17:12.700 And I'm not going to read all of it, but what I want to focus on is the last bit, a fairer

00:17:17.700 society.

00:17:18.700 The role of jury trials remains integral to the justice system and reflects a commitment

00:17:24.700 to fairness and accountability that dates back centuries.

00:17:27.700 As if this is just universal.

00:17:29.700 This is baked into the fabric of the universe and not the direct product of the English experience

00:17:33.700 of political life.

00:17:34.700 The core principle remains a diverse group of individuals randomly selected, coming together

00:17:40.700 to consider evidence and reach a verdict.

00:17:43.700 So if you receive a summons through the post, you're not merely fulfilling an obligation.

00:17:47.700 It's an opportunity to contribute to the collective pursuit of justice and ensure a fair society

00:17:53.700 for all.

00:17:54.700 To be fair, right?

00:17:55.700 In an ethnically homogenous society, you do want a diverse jury.

00:17:58.700 You do want a class guy.

00:17:59.700 You want a butcher. 0.87

00:18:00.700 You want a hedge fund manager.

00:18:01.700 You want, you know, you want that kind of thing.

00:18:02.700 You want it to be a random sampling of the population.

00:18:05.700 But the problem is, like the collective pursuit of justice and a fair society for all means

00:18:11.700 different things to different kinds of people.

00:18:13.700 Right? 0.75

00:18:14.700 If, you know, the collective pursuit of justice means the black guy always gets off because 0.99

00:18:18.700 I am black, then we just don't have the same standard and we can't operate in the same

00:18:22.700 way.

00:18:23.700 Yeah.

00:18:24.700 You're never going to agree on this.

00:18:25.700 Right.

00:18:26.700 And there has been a debate about whether this was a case of two-tier justice.

00:18:31.700 My view, let me just tell you in a nutshell, it absolutely is a case of two-tier justice.

00:18:36.700 Now, let me give you some examples of people who disagree with it.

00:18:40.700 One is Jacob Rasmog, who says this is self-evidently not an example of two-tier justice as this

00:18:47.700 councillor was cleared by a jury.

00:18:49.700 Oh, holy jury.

00:18:50.700 Lucy Connolly offered a guilty plea, so did not have a jury trial, although she probably

00:18:55.700 could have done had she pleaded not guilty.

00:18:58.700 Now, this is totally mistaken and misleading.

00:19:02.700 Number one, Lucy Connolly is not the only person who has been prosecuted for this.

00:19:08.700 So, just by Jacob Rasmog showing that there have been differences between Connolly's case

00:19:15.700 and Ricky Jones's case, it's not enough to show and infer from this that this wasn't

00:19:19.700 a two-tier justice.

00:19:20.700 This is, sorry, just, there's sophism.

00:19:23.700 Yeah.

00:19:24.700 There's no other way of putting it.

00:19:25.700 This is misleading reasoning.

00:19:27.700 But so many, so many conservatives, conservatives of a certain age, they do have this, this faith,

00:19:32.700 this unshakable faith in process and institution.

00:19:34.700 Yes.

00:19:35.700 Which is totally outdated.

00:19:36.700 I will say.

00:19:37.700 Sorry, just the thing, but that's the thing, isn't it?

00:19:39.700 When Jacob Rasmog was young, the country was 95% English.

00:19:42.700 And so he could look at the idea of the jury trial and go, no, this is actually a great

00:19:46.700 English institution that we can put faith in because the general Englishman, the average

00:19:51.700 Englishman in his day was a very level-headed, sensible chap who didn't particularly have

00:19:55.700 a bias one way or another about you.

00:19:57.700 I mean, most, I mean, even back like 20 years ago, people were just not as political in

00:20:01.700 the way that they are now.

00:20:02.700 Yeah.

00:20:03.700 They weren't as connected as they are now.

00:20:04.700 You know, you can reasonably, you can reasonably assume that the guy didn't know that much about

00:20:09.700 politics, right?

00:20:10.700 So he was like, okay, well, what, what did he do?

00:20:12.700 What were the behaviors that informed him?

00:20:13.700 Right.

00:20:14.700 And so this, this central wall is clear by a jury as if the jury itself is beyond reproach.

00:20:18.700 Yes.

00:20:19.700 I'm sorry.

00:20:20.700 That's just not the case.

00:20:21.700 But moreover, the advice that these two different people were given would have been a different nature

00:20:26.700 because of the kinds of things that they were engaged in.

00:20:28.700 Yeah.

00:20:29.700 A labor counselor, oh, well, you know, protest, plead not guilty, blah, blah, blah.

00:20:32.700 Lucy Connolly probably had no interaction with the courts up until this point.

00:20:36.700 Advised by a state-appointed solicitor, just plead guilty and you'll get a light sentence.

00:20:41.700 Pleaded guilty, got the absolute hammering.

00:20:43.700 Yeah.

00:20:44.700 You know, whereas there was the Welsh former Marine, I think it was, who was like, I'm not

00:20:47.700 guilty and I'm not pleading guilty.

00:20:48.700 And he got off.

00:20:49.700 Yeah.

00:20:50.700 Because jury of his peers from Wales, incidentally, were like, well, obviously that's not an assignment

00:20:54.700 to violence.

00:20:55.700 But that's, I mean, this is the flaw in, I mean, among many in this mindset, which is

00:21:00.700 you plug into that, the idea that Englishness is an idea or a costume that anybody from anywhere

00:21:04.700 can put on.

00:21:05.700 And yeah, jury, you know, it is beyond reproach.

00:21:07.700 It still works.

00:21:08.700 And this is therefore not an example of two-tier justice, which is just bonkers.

00:21:11.700 I'm sure if this was in Devon, then yeah, it'd be fine.

00:21:14.700 I would, I would agree with you, Jacob.

00:21:16.700 Yeah.

00:21:17.700 The top comment.

00:21:18.700 Oh yeah.

00:21:19.700 The top replies.

00:21:20.700 Yeah.

00:21:21.700 One hundred percent true.

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00:21:38.700 I want to say to Charlie what you said before.

00:21:39.700 I don't think a focus on process is outdated and it won't be outdated.

00:21:42.700 What is interesting here is also that there is a persistent attempt by people like

00:21:50.700 Jacob Rismog and some other people to hide behind legalisms and that ignores not the process side of justice, but the substantive bit of it.

00:22:11.700 Sure.

00:22:12.700 Which has to do with the.

00:22:14.700 Well, it's kind of like a wet blanket for conservatives, right?

00:22:17.700 Yes.

00:22:18.700 Like they kind of.

00:22:19.700 Oh, this is a really thorny issue, but oh, thank God the jury have decided.

00:22:22.700 Therefore, I don't need to think about this in any way.

00:22:24.700 It's a ghetto.

00:22:25.700 Exactly.

00:22:26.700 Because you are right.

00:22:27.700 The process is genuinely important, but it's not infallible.

00:22:31.700 Look at how the left is is talking when they are talking about this jury decisions when, you know, they are in trouble.

00:22:40.700 They always say, well, it's just out.

00:22:43.700 It may be just in the on the individual level, but it's not just as far as the common good is concerned.

00:22:50.700 But there is also the other bit that people like Rismog and his people who agree with him on this.

00:22:58.700 They're constantly trying to say that these two cases are different, which is it's absolutely misleading.

00:23:05.700 Of course, they are different.

00:23:06.700 Well, they're different.

00:23:07.700 Every case from a legal perspective is somewhat different.

00:23:10.700 But there are other differences as well that needed to be taken account, such as Ricky Jones didn't end his incitement to violence with for all I care.

00:23:20.700 Yeah.

00:23:21.700 Yeah.

00:23:22.700 Like the thing is, Lucy Conley made a Facebook post, wasn't it?

00:23:26.700 It probably was seen by like a dozen people.

00:23:28.700 Like there's probably hardly anyone that saw it.

00:23:30.700 And then she deleted it shortly afterwards.

00:23:32.700 We can see the people that Ricky Jones was inciting.

00:23:35.700 They were cheering.

00:23:36.700 They were being incited by him.

00:23:39.700 So it is very different.

00:23:40.700 His is clearly far worse.

00:23:42.700 It is far worse.

00:23:43.700 I think people did see. 0.99

00:23:44.700 And he actually called for them to be killed.

00:23:46.700 Before she, yeah, she did, people did see her.

00:23:49.700 I'm sure some, a small number of people will have seen it, but you don't, you can't prove that anyone was incited by that.

00:23:55.700 Because you don't know who saw it.

00:23:56.700 You don't know what they were thinking when they saw it or anything like that.

00:23:59.700 But with Ricky Jones, we've got the video.

00:24:00.700 We saw him.

00:24:01.700 Exactly.

00:24:02.700 His rhetoric is far worse.

00:24:04.700 His rhetoric is far worse.

00:24:05.700 The consequences of his rhetoric are worse.

00:24:06.700 We saw them cheering for it.

00:24:08.700 Everyone who saw Lucy Conley's post could have been like, no, that's wrong, Lucy.

00:24:11.700 How dare you?

00:24:12.700 You don't know anything about their responses, but we know the responses from his.

00:24:15.700 Yes.

00:24:16.700 And we have this from Prospect Magazine, understanding the Lucy Connolly sentence.

00:24:22.700 As they're saying, Connolly was arrested twice and interviewed and was charged under Section 19, Clause 1 of the Public Order Act 1996.

00:24:30.700 Oh, was it a tweet?

00:24:31.700 I thought it was a Facebook.

00:24:32.700 Which provides a person who publishes or distributes written material which is threatening, abusive or insulting, is guilty of an offence,

00:24:40.700 if they intend thereby to stir up racial hatred or having regard to all the circumstances.

00:24:45.700 Racial hatred is likely to be stirred up thereby.

00:24:48.700 She was sentenced on the grounds of a forward looking consideration, which is the political decision to send the message across that this is harmful and we're not going to we're not going to take it.

00:25:02.700 The same consideration didn't apply on his case.

00:25:07.700 The jurors didn't appeal to that consideration.

00:25:10.700 They appeal to a completely backwards looking consideration such as what was his state when he did it and not only appeal to a backwards looking because sometimes I'm also in favor of of retributive justice, very much in favor of retributive justice, but they inverted it.

00:25:28.700 Right. And they they started focusing on how to be soft on this person and how to focus on mitigating factors that absorb him or diminish his moral culpability and allegedly established that he had no criminal intention.

00:25:44.700 It's crazy because he's a labor counselor, so he is a political agent. He holds an elected office.

00:25:49.700 I mean, I would have thought that would come. I mean, if if the charisma of the office is anything to go by, Lucy Connelly was just a person posting on Twitter.

00:25:57.700 She wasn't elected to anything. She doesn't have anyone who looks up to her with respect or with any kind of authority, whereas he does.

00:26:03.700 So shouldn't he be? Shouldn't that be a mitigating factor?

00:26:06.700 And no one mentioned of stressful conditions and impulsive behavior that could under circumstances be seen as.

00:26:17.700 Speaking in the heat of the moment, as they have been saying for him.

00:26:22.700 He got away with it, with it.

00:26:24.700 Of course he did.

00:26:27.700 Dragon Lady Chris says, hello again, Charlie, since Luca has officially joined the large, you've been promoted to the number one spot of my favorite guests.

00:26:34.700 Congratulations.

00:26:35.700 Wow. There we go.

00:26:36.700 A jury of 12 randomly handpicked left wing activists.

00:26:39.700 The thing is, you don't even need left wing activists to be handpicked.

00:26:41.700 You just randomly pick from a selection of diverse people who weren't here in the country five years ago.

00:26:46.700 And, well, the results you get.

00:26:49.700 The term neurodivergent seems to describe people who have never heard of the snap of dad's belt as a child.

00:26:54.700 Now, the thing is, right, this guy obviously knew what he was doing.

00:26:57.700 And he obviously was just like, right, OK, how can I get out of this?

00:27:00.700 How can I get out of this?

00:27:01.700 And the lawyer was like, well, if you claim that you're basically mental, they'll let you off because they're going to be a soft touch man.

00:27:06.700 I do have to just bring that up again.

00:27:07.700 It's just so mad that the response to somebody being like mentally unwell and calling for violence, as happened in this case, the response is to let them off free.

00:27:17.700 Yeah.

00:27:18.700 As if that doesn't make them more of a threat.

00:27:20.700 We do this all the time with people who actually do physical harm to others.

00:27:24.700 And they go, oh, well, he's from Somalia.

00:27:26.700 So what do you expect?

00:27:27.700 Yeah.

00:27:28.700 And it's like, well, I mean, we send him back.

00:27:30.700 I mean, why is he still here?

00:27:32.700 So I know we're going to say he did nothing wrong.

00:27:34.700 Just let him off community order or something.

00:27:36.700 And then he's just free to carry on wandering around.

00:27:38.700 Yeah.

00:27:39.700 Mental.

00:27:41.700 Logan says, I'd like to imagine the Dark Lord pulling his hair at the obvious escape scapegoat being thrown away.

00:27:46.700 He must have given Keir Starman an earful.

00:27:48.700 I think that rumors of the Dark Lord's ability to control the Labour government are vastly overstated.

00:27:55.700 Anyway.

00:27:56.700 Right.

00:27:57.700 So illegal immigrants. 1.00

00:27:58.700 They're actually generally quite dangerous to have in your country for lots of different reasons.

00:28:03.700 The first being you don't know who they are.

00:28:05.700 So you don't know what their prior criminal record is.

00:28:07.700 And if you're someone who has been either alleged or convicted of a crime in a foreign country, it's entirely in your interest to get out of that country. 0.96

00:28:16.700 And also, there's only one reason that you would come to Britain or indeed the USA illegally when it's so easy, as in the case of our country, to come legally.

00:28:23.700 And that's because you don't want your name on the books.

00:28:25.700 That's because you don't want the authorities knowing who you are.

00:28:28.700 Yeah.

00:28:29.700 You don't want to pay taxes.

00:28:30.700 You don't want them to be able to come and get you if you're accused of a crime.

00:28:33.700 You want to operate in the dark.

00:28:37.700 Yeah.

00:28:38.700 And I'm sorry.

00:28:39.700 So have special treatment in some cases.

00:28:40.700 You could live a luxury life in hotels paid by taxpayers.

00:28:45.700 In the case of Britain and in some parts of America, you can indeed get a kind of luxury life paid for by the taxpayers.

00:28:52.700 But the point is you're doing it because you fundamentally do not respect the country or the people in the country.

00:28:58.700 And what you are doing, therefore, and this is in every single case, is you are coming to take advantage of those people.

00:29:05.700 And taking advantage of those people indicates a certain kind of mindset.

00:29:08.700 It indicates that actually you don't really care about those people.

00:29:11.700 You don't really care about the standards, the country, the mindset, the work of generations that went into building it up.

00:29:17.700 And you are there thinking, right, okay, I'm going to get as much as I can out of this while I can.

00:29:21.700 And then when something goes terribly wrong, we can see that they don't care.

00:29:26.700 Now, we've got loads of examples in Britain.

00:29:28.700 We're going to talk about an example in America. 0.60

00:29:30.700 We've got loads of examples in Britain of migrants in hotels who are just taking the piss completely. 1.00

00:29:35.700 Just constantly pouring scorn on the British who are currently protesting everywhere about this.

00:29:42.700 But this is an example from the United States where...

00:29:45.700 And I'm going to play it because you can't see anything terrible, thankfully.

00:29:48.700 But this is an accident caused by an illegal immigrant. 1.00

00:29:54.700 For anyone listening, not watching.

00:29:57.700 So this truck driver decides in the middle of a motorway with a giant lorry that he's driving,

00:30:04.700 he's going to try and do, I don't know, a three-point turn.

00:30:07.700 And so obviously his gargantuan truck just turns to block the entire sort of three lanes, four lanes, however many it is.

00:30:17.700 We can see it there.

00:30:19.700 So there's nowhere else for cars to go.

00:30:21.700 Now, if you're speeding down there at like 70 miles an hour or whatever it is,

00:30:24.700 actually it's quite difficult to slow that down enough.

00:30:27.700 And a car smashed straight into it and three people died.

00:30:31.700 And that's terrible. Absolutely terrible.

00:30:35.700 Now, people couldn't help but notice that this guy, directly after the crash,

00:30:39.700 had absolutely no emotion on his face whatsoever.

00:30:42.700 Didn't seem to care in the slightest.

00:30:45.700 This seemed to him just to be an inconvenience.

00:30:49.700 Oh dear, that's a shame.

00:30:51.700 This is generally something that I personally don't care that much about.

00:30:55.700 Like no remorse, no like shock.

00:30:58.700 And it's like, okay, well, this is the problem, isn't it?

00:31:03.700 Yeah.

00:31:04.700 I mean, the thing is, I mean, I don't know what the law is in America, but in Britain, if you have a driving license from a foreign country, you are allowed to come here and just drive.

00:31:12.700 And I think you have to have a learner plate on your car.

00:31:15.700 But I mean, still, that's insane.

00:31:17.700 Like the idea that countries where there is zero driving license infrastructure, where there's no real process or standard.

00:31:25.700 And this is the outcome of that.

00:31:26.700 This is what happens.

00:31:27.700 I mean, I should have got some videos of people driving in India for this segment, actually, because obviously his name's Hajinder Singh.

00:31:34.700 So he's and he is an illegal immigrant from India.

00:31:37.700 As you can see in this, he is listed, he has entered the United States legally.

00:31:42.700 But the thing is, he doesn't have an Indian driving license.

00:31:45.700 What he has is a commercial driver's license from the state of California.

00:31:49.700 Oh, right.

00:31:50.700 So the Californians were like, yeah, this illegal immigrant from India can just have a commercial driving license.

00:31:57.700 Why not?

00:31:58.700 I mean, I don't even know that he's got a normal driving license in America.

00:32:01.700 There's no evidence to suggest that he does.

00:32:03.700 And so, yeah, like like you were saying, if anyone's ever seen the roads in India and there are like the Indian traffic accidents.

00:32:12.700 Again, I should have got these the data up for this, actually, but I've looked at it before.

00:32:15.700 It is something like 100 times more than Britain. 0.82

00:32:18.700 It is insane.

00:32:20.700 And for some reason, this guy just I mean, just it's just crazy how you can be like, no, I don't care about anyone else around me.

00:32:29.700 I've decided I'm going the wrong way down the motorway.

00:32:32.700 I'm not going to wait until the next, you know, junction or wherever.

00:32:35.700 I'm just going to turn around here.

00:32:37.700 Like, what is the thought process?

00:32:39.700 Oh, certainly demonstrates a lack of understanding of cause and effect.

00:32:42.700 Demonstrates a lack of impulse control.

00:32:45.700 Demonstrates a lack of consideration for anyone else.

00:32:48.700 Yeah, that's the thing.

00:32:49.700 It's like, well, I'm driving a giant truck.

00:32:51.700 It's probably gonna be fine for me.

00:32:53.700 And but again, we assume that people from other countries have the same sort of standards of consideration for the people around them that we do.

00:33:01.700 And we know that there are countries in which they simply don't.

00:33:04.700 Yeah.

00:33:05.700 And you know something else?

00:33:06.700 I mean, there will be people who will have reacted to this story and said, well, you know, white or naturalized citizen truck drivers kill people all the time.

00:33:12.700 And it's like, yeah.

00:33:13.700 But as is always the case when it's a migrant, especially egregious in the case of an illegal migrant, it's a it's a decision taken by the government directly that has led to the death of these people.

00:33:22.700 You know, that wouldn't have happened if the person wasn't here, but you're only here because of, you know, lax policies.

00:33:27.700 Yeah. And obviously, you had people trying to politicize this, complaining, being like, oh, well, you know, isn't this Donald Trump's fault?

00:33:36.700 It's like, well, no, Trump's been the most anti illegal immigrant president ever.

00:33:39.700 And of course, it's California that gets to decide this, as Grok pointed out, this this absolutely was illegal, frankly, because it says Title 13, Section 26.01 requires lawful presence to get the CDL.

00:33:55.700 So he was given it irrespective of the fact that he was illegal.

00:33:59.700 So you should never have had that anyway.

00:34:01.700 So he shouldn't have been here.

00:34:03.700 He shouldn't have had the license.

00:34:05.700 And of course, you're not allowed to just employ illegal immigrants, are you as truck drivers?

00:34:09.700 Just imagine the times we're living.

00:34:11.700 It's you're allowed.

00:34:12.700 You're not allowed to be here, but you're allowed to drive here.

00:34:15.700 Not just allowed to drive.

00:34:16.700 You're allowed to drive some sort of 30 ton truck.

00:34:19.700 Yeah.

00:34:20.700 And that's caused three people to be killed.

00:34:23.700 In fact, we've got a news report here from the Times of India, which is actually surprisingly detailed.

00:34:27.700 So the fatal collision unfold around 3pm on Thursday, Tuesday, sorry, near Fort Pierce, when Singh attempted to cut across a highway through an official use medium pass.

00:34:37.700 And this, this is another thing that was just like, look, these, these, these signs are not advisory.

00:34:44.700 Right.

00:34:45.700 They actually mean something and they're there for a reason.

00:34:48.700 And you've just found out why these signs are there.

00:34:51.700 Sorry.

00:34:52.700 No, I just saw the video with a car just literally.

00:34:55.700 Yeah.

00:34:56.700 The car slams into it.

00:34:57.700 Slams into it.

00:34:58.700 Because he, he's traveling down a motorway because you don't expect the motorway to be blocked.

00:35:02.700 Yeah.

00:35:03.700 Just honestly, I, it's, it's the first time I'm hearing about it.

00:35:07.700 It just makes me very sad.

00:35:08.700 Yeah.

00:35:09.700 No, it's, it's terrible.

00:35:10.700 Three people died in that crash.

00:35:12.700 Um, so he decided that actually the official use only sign applied to other people, presumably legal citizens with licenses that they were actually legally allowed to have.

00:35:23.700 And since he didn't have that and he wasn't a legal citizen, this wasn't his problem.

00:35:27.700 Again, the total lack of concern on his face is just what is most remarkable and worth remembering that they, there's no reason for him to be concerned because it's not his people in the car.

00:35:40.700 Yeah.

00:35:41.700 Right.

00:35:42.700 People.

00:35:43.700 He, he knows he's not going to have any connection to the people in the car because how could he possibly?

00:35:46.700 So, oh, well, cars just crashed the money.

00:35:48.700 Well, I mean, that's going to be.

00:35:49.700 How inconvenient.

00:35:50.700 Yeah.

00:35:51.700 That's going to be an inconvenience for me, isn't it?

00:35:52.700 Uh, photos from machine scene short showed the van torn apart.

00:35:55.700 It's roof peeled back.

00:35:56.700 It's content scattered across the highway.

00:35:58.700 Emergency crews used hydraulic jacks to lift the trailer and recover the victims.

00:36:02.700 While Singh was seen standing nearby with a black expression, which again, just, I mean, sorry, mate.

00:36:10.700 I'm sorry that you can't feel any compassion for the people you just killed, but man, I am so not happy with the way this has gone.

00:36:18.700 And this is, it's just one incident, but it, there are so many failures of society that have led up to this point.

00:36:25.700 Why was this illegal in the country?

00:36:26.700 Why was he given a drug license?

00:36:27.700 Why was he employed by a truck company to do this?

00:36:31.700 Why did he feel it was, you know, okay for him to take that turn?

00:36:34.700 Exactly.

00:36:35.700 Why did he feel that he didn't have to follow the rules?

00:36:37.700 Like how immune to prosecution do you have to feel to have committed all of these crimes and then be like, oh, this is official use enough.

00:36:44.700 Like, I don't, I don't need to worry about that, you know, that sign, that regulation.

00:36:48.700 Like you have to feel that the rules just do not apply to you to get this far down.

00:36:53.700 Well, I wouldn't be in someone else's country illegally to start with, let alone apply for licenses and work that I wasn't supposed to be doing.

00:36:59.700 But anyway, what do I know?

00:37:00.700 Anyway, so they carry on, right?

00:37:03.700 Because it just gets worse, right?

00:37:05.700 So two passengers in the minivan died instantly, but the driver was pulled alive from the wreck, but succumbed to his injuries at the local hospital.

00:37:12.700 Authorities identified the victims as a 37-year-old woman, a 30-year-old man, and a 54-year-old man, all from Florida, because this happened in Florida.

00:37:20.700 Investigators said Singh, who carried a California commercials driver's license, had been in the US legally since crossing the Mectum border in 2018.

00:37:28.700 Immigrations and Customs Enforcement had issued a detainer to him, according to CBS 12.

00:37:34.700 If convicted of homicide, he faces time in prison in Florida before deportation.

00:37:37.700 And that's the thing, right?

00:37:38.700 He's murdered three people.

00:37:40.700 He's killed three people.

00:37:41.700 Like, I'm sorry, deportation is not sufficient punishment for this.

00:37:44.700 And also, like, so this happened in Florida, but he got his license from California.

00:37:48.700 Yeah.

00:37:49.700 So it's not even like the people who possibly in theory voted for this kind of politics to govern their state are the victims of those policies.

00:37:56.700 It's people who generally vote against those kinds of policies.

00:37:58.700 And in this, we can see how the Democrats can continue destroying America, even without having control of the state.

00:38:07.700 Florida, obviously being governed very well by Ron DeSantis, very right wing, very Republican.

00:38:12.700 But that doesn't help if California can just rubber stamp HGV licenses for illegals coming across the border. 0.80

00:38:20.700 If they can just do that.

00:38:21.700 Again, all of it's illegal, but there's gonna be no comeuppance for anyone.

00:38:24.700 Like, a bunch of people should, okay, well, who issued his license?

00:38:27.700 Yeah.

00:38:28.700 Who allowed this to happen?

00:38:29.700 Who's at the company who hired him?

00:38:31.700 Yeah.

00:38:32.700 Prison, prison, prison.

00:38:33.700 Let's roll for all of this.

00:38:34.700 And yet nothing's gonna happen.

00:38:35.700 And now three Floridians are dead, despite the fact they probably didn't ever want this to happen.

00:38:39.700 Like, they didn't want him in the country.

00:38:41.700 They probably voted in the direction they thought would go against it.

00:38:43.700 And yet this has still done this to them.

00:38:46.700 Um, so yeah, it's like, this is all terrible.

00:38:48.700 Um, three people lost their lives because of his recklessness and countless friends and family members will experience the pain of their loss forever, says the executive director of the Florida Department of Highway Safety.

00:38:57.700 Again, that person has no authority to rescind this guy's license.

00:39:02.700 Like, what can he do if California is prepared to just rubber stamp licenses for illegals? 0.92

00:39:08.700 Did you want to say something?

00:39:09.700 No, I'm just reading what it says there.

00:39:11.700 He's executing an illegal U-turn.

00:39:13.700 Just...

00:39:14.700 Because the rules don't apply to them.

00:39:16.700 With a truck.

00:39:17.700 With a huge truck.

00:39:18.700 Yeah.

00:39:19.700 This is the danger of employing illegals to do anything. 1.00

00:39:22.700 They already think the rules don't apply to them.

00:39:24.700 So why wouldn't they think other rules don't apply to them?

00:39:27.700 Why would they...

00:39:28.700 Because I follow rules, like rules of the road, rules of whatever it is.

00:39:32.700 Because I know this has an effect to the people around me.

00:39:34.700 Well, this is the thing.

00:39:35.700 I mean, you know, there are Democrats certainly in the U.S. who...

00:39:38.700 You don't hear it so much nowadays, but AOC, Ilhan Omar and others who would use the phrase, no human being is illegal.

00:39:44.700 And it's like, okay, that's a buzzword, slogan, whatever.

00:39:46.700 But actually, illegal behavior points to a, you know, it points to a personality, right?

00:39:52.700 It points to character.

00:39:53.700 That's exactly right.

00:39:54.700 So actually, this guy was an illegal who doing illegal things.

00:39:56.700 Not only...

00:39:57.700 Because he's somebody who doesn't care about legality.

00:39:59.700 And to add to this, there's a range of behaviors between the very combative ones and the reconciliatory ones.

00:40:07.700 You need to have civilization.

00:40:09.700 You need to have the overwhelming majority of people displaying reconciliatory behaviors.

00:40:15.700 It's the ability to, you know, to go your own way, go separate ways when there are minor friction.

00:40:22.700 Yeah.

00:40:23.700 When you have people who routinely violate the law, they show that basically I don't care about anyone around me.

00:40:29.700 So they're going to be very combative.

00:40:30.700 And we see this on a daily basis. 0.74

00:40:32.700 Well, they can get people killed, can't they?

00:40:33.700 Yeah. 0.96

00:40:34.700 And so this is the real problem with just having illegals at large in your country. 0.99

00:40:39.700 They don't follow the rules.

00:40:41.700 If you think the rules are there for a good reason, which most of them actually are.

00:40:46.700 I mean, I know a lot of them are nonsense.

00:40:48.700 But those things are generally not things that most people engage with on a daily basis.

00:40:52.700 Well, when it comes to road laws, I mean...

00:40:53.700 Exactly.

00:40:54.700 Exactly.

00:40:55.700 Don't perform a U-turn on a busy freeway.

00:40:57.700 It's a matter of life and death.

00:40:58.700 Exactly.

00:40:59.700 It's a matter of life and death.

00:41:00.700 And also, that's also the same thing in policing.

00:41:03.700 You are supposed to protect the public and the common good.

00:41:07.700 You're not there to oversee racial relations.

00:41:10.700 No.

00:41:11.700 You're there to prevent this.

00:41:12.700 Yeah, exactly.

00:41:13.700 And that's the thing.

00:41:14.700 It's more important.

00:41:15.700 We always talk about, like, you know, from a right-wing perspective, well, deregulation.

00:41:17.700 It's like, yeah, okay, yeah.

00:41:18.700 I agree that deregulation of, like, you know, in various, like, corporate areas, that's important.

00:41:23.700 But this is not the kind of rules that people engage with on a day-to-day basis.

00:41:26.700 As in, you know, what side of the road you're supposed to drive on and things like this.

00:41:29.700 This is done for people's safety.

00:41:31.700 And this is precisely the point that I'm making here.

00:41:34.700 Is that actually the illegals are a general threat to safety. 1.00

00:41:37.700 Yeah.

00:41:38.700 By the way, just to lighten things slightly.

00:41:39.700 I mean, back in the day, you'd hear libertarians always arguing that driving licenses are, like,

00:41:43.700 overstepping, you know, overstepping the mark of the role of the state and infringing on one's individual liberty.

00:41:48.700 And it's just, like, nonsense.

00:41:50.700 Yeah.

00:41:51.700 No, no, you're right.

00:41:52.700 You're absolutely right.

00:41:53.700 So, anyway, yeah, he's likely to get deported, unfortunately.

00:41:57.700 Because, again, White House spokesman, Abigail Jackson, says this is a devastating tragedy

00:42:02.700 made worse by the fact that it was totally preventable.

00:42:05.700 Illegal aliens have no right to be in the country. 1.00

00:42:07.700 Certainly should not be granted a commercial driver's license.

00:42:09.700 Yes.

00:42:10.700 But who are you going to punish for this, right?

00:42:12.700 Heads have to roll.

00:42:13.700 Yeah.

00:42:14.700 While operating the semi-truck, he jackknife, blah, blah, blah.

00:42:16.700 And the thing is, this probably isn't even the first time he's done this, right?

00:42:20.700 So, this is from 2021 that you can see that the state of Arkansas had what they consider

00:42:28.700 a historic bridge because the bridge was 80 years old.

00:42:31.700 It's the same guy.

00:42:32.700 Same guy.

00:42:33.700 It's the same guy.

00:42:34.700 What?

00:42:35.700 Driving a truck.

00:42:36.700 The rules didn't apply to him, right?

00:42:38.700 So, Arkansas have filed a lawsuit against truck driver Harindja Sin in Bakersfield,

00:42:43.700 California-based trucking company, US CityLink Corp.

00:42:46.700 It seems to be the same guy.

00:42:47.700 Yeah.

00:42:48.700 Same guy doing the same job.

00:42:49.700 Left is the quality of opportunity.

00:42:51.700 He wants to be a driver.

00:42:53.700 Yeah.

00:42:54.700 Maybe he needs to be given with all the social benefits.

00:42:57.700 Maybe.

00:42:58.700 Make him a driver because it's good for his social, his self-esteem.

00:43:01.700 Yeah, but the thing is, right, the suit was for pressing for funds to repair damage caused

00:43:05.700 by SING, but they also want punitive damages because he reportedly hauling a load of processed

00:43:11.700 chicken to Danville when his GPS device led him to the Dale Bend Bridge.

00:43:15.700 There were signs posted at the bridge warning the driver about the six-ton weight limit,

00:43:19.700 but Singh attempted to cross the bridge anyway with his 38-ton truck.

00:43:24.700 So, again, the signage is not arbitrary, and if you ignore it, bad things happen.

00:43:30.700 It's there for your own good, and for the good of others.

00:43:33.700 It is not-

00:43:34.700 I've got to say, the closest I've come to this is, and everyone, I think everyone will

00:43:37.700 have done this.

00:43:38.700 It's a relatable experience.

00:43:39.700 You'll be driving somewhere, maybe you're running a little bit late, and you'll come to

00:43:42.700 a road that your sat nav is taking you down, and it says road ahead closed.

00:43:45.700 Yeah.

00:43:46.700 And you kind of think, well, maybe it's not.

00:43:47.700 How close?

00:43:48.700 And I'll just, yeah, and I'll keep going.

00:43:49.700 It's like, you know, a guideline.

00:43:50.700 Yeah.

00:43:51.700 And then, lo and behold, the road is closed, so you have to turn around and go a different

00:43:54.700 way, which makes you late.

00:43:55.700 Yeah.

00:43:56.700 And it's like-

00:43:57.700 But that's not dangerous.

00:43:58.700 Are you sure?

00:43:59.700 Are you sure?

00:44:00.700 Well, hey, maybe.

00:44:01.700 But imagine that mindset sort of transposed onto the kind of person who doesn't care,

00:44:04.700 you know, who thinks that doing a U-turn in a 30-tonne semi-truck on a busy motorway

00:44:09.700 is just, yeah, it'll be fine.

00:44:11.700 Maybe it'll be fine.

00:44:12.700 It's just a guideline.

00:44:13.700 Or just, well, don't drive across this antique bridge with more than six tonnes, because

00:44:17.700 trust me, it's not going to work, bro.

00:44:19.700 Yeah.

00:44:20.700 It's like, well, I've got a 38-tonne truck.

00:44:21.700 I'm going to give it a go.

00:44:22.700 Let's test that hypothesis.

00:44:23.700 Yeah, exactly, yeah.

00:44:24.700 Well, he did.

00:44:25.700 And obviously, it collapsed.

00:44:26.700 Now, you know, luckily in this instance, no one was hurt.

00:44:29.700 I guess he managed to get out.

00:44:30.700 But it's also like, look, it's made of wood.

00:44:32.700 Yeah, exactly.

00:44:33.700 Like, the sign is there for a reason.

00:44:35.700 It's not just, I don't know, you know, some sort of arbitrary government oppression or something.

00:44:40.700 This is a, it's a description of reality, actually, the sign.

00:44:44.700 Could be the case, though.

00:44:46.700 I don't know.

00:44:47.700 Just, I'm going to be extremely uncharitable here.

00:44:50.700 Good.

00:44:51.700 Extremely uncharitable.

00:44:52.700 It could be. 1.00

00:44:53.700 Sometimes people pretend they're stupid and they want to do something really evil. 1.00

00:44:59.700 So, the question is, was all the merchandise looted? 1.00

00:45:04.700 No, I've no idea.

00:45:05.700 It doesn't look like it.

00:45:06.700 Because it could be the case, he says, guys, I'm going to do something incredibly cheap.

00:45:09.700 There's no reason.

00:45:10.700 Come and get all of it.

00:45:11.700 No reason to think it.

00:45:12.700 I mean, the truck still closes.

00:45:13.700 Well, I think another, I mean, another take is maybe the guy doesn't speak English.

00:45:16.700 Possibly, but I suspect he probably does speak English.

00:45:19.700 That's a weird understanding of time and space.

00:45:22.700 I think that basically, there's just a much lower consideration for other people in the culture in which he comes from, frankly.

00:45:31.700 And I think that also, there's a kind of self-selection bias if you're going to allow illegals to break in. 0.86

00:45:37.700 Well, you're going to get a really high percentage of people in that cohort who just don't care. 0.74

00:45:42.700 Who just, I mean, literally like psychopaths.

00:45:44.700 Who just, no, I'm here for me. 0.91

00:45:46.700 You know, I don't care about you.

00:45:47.700 And you can tell I don't care about you because I broke into your country. 0.81

00:45:49.700 I did things illegally.

00:45:50.700 And then I got a job illegally.

00:45:52.700 And then whenever I'm supposed to follow the rules that benefit other people, like not destroying a historic bridge, I don't care about that.

00:45:58.700 Or like not like, you know, getting three people killed in a fatal crash.

00:46:03.700 I don't care about that.

00:46:04.700 That's not my problem.

00:46:05.700 And you can see it written on his face as it happens.

00:46:09.700 He's just like, oh God, this is going to be.

00:46:10.700 It does make my blood boil.

00:46:11.700 There's the facial expression.

00:46:13.700 Maybe we're reading too far into that, but it's just, it's just a, you know, the contempt.

00:46:17.700 Yeah.

00:46:18.700 I honestly, I don't think people are wrong to read into it.

00:46:20.700 You know, I don't think they are wrong to read into it because I do think it's symptomatic.

00:46:24.700 And the thing is, this, this is the least harmful kind of illegal immigrant as well. 0.99

00:46:29.700 Right.

00:46:30.700 He's not a predator.

00:46:31.700 Yeah.

00:46:32.700 He's not going around trying to murder people.

00:46:33.700 He's just, he's just cavalier.

00:46:35.700 Yeah.

00:46:36.700 He doesn't care.

00:46:37.700 He's just here to get money to send remittances back to India probably.

00:46:39.700 Right.

00:46:40.700 That's, that's the least harmful kind of illegal immigrant, frankly. 1.00

00:46:43.700 And you, I mean, you hear like in the UK, for example, like people in the green party, like Carla Denya saying, actually, it's a great injustice that we don't allow asylum seekers to work when they come here.

00:46:52.700 And it's like, no, this is what happens.

00:46:54.700 For good reason.

00:46:55.700 Yeah.

00:46:56.700 For good reason.

00:46:57.700 It's illegal because we have standards.

00:46:58.700 Yeah.

00:46:59.700 And the standards maintain the safety and dignity of the country.

00:47:02.700 And if we allow people to flaunt them, then things go horribly wrong and people die.

00:47:06.700 Yeah.

00:47:07.700 It really is that simple.

00:47:08.700 So anyway, the point of this is detain and deport every single illegal.

00:47:12.700 It's a matter of life and death.

00:47:15.700 In his mind, he's thinking, this isn't my fault.

00:47:18.700 They should have stopped. 0.64

00:47:19.700 They killed themselves. 0.98

00:47:20.700 Not me.

00:47:21.700 This happens all the time back home and no one cares.

00:47:22.700 Yeah.

00:47:23.700 Honestly, I couldn't say on the segment because, you know, it's going on YouTube, but I really

00:47:26.700 do think that this is an attitude in India.

00:47:28.700 Well, I think, I mean, you know, there's so many factors at play.

00:47:31.700 I mean, just the sheer population of that country.

00:47:34.700 I think it probably does.

00:47:35.700 It does something psychological where human life just has less value.

00:47:37.700 It's the same in China where you hear like, you know, people being run over and people

00:47:40.700 just like walking past.

00:47:41.700 Like kid gets run over and no one stops to help.

00:47:43.700 Yeah.

00:47:44.700 It's like, the hell's wrong with you people?

00:47:45.700 Yeah.

00:47:46.700 You know, I can't, I can't help.

00:47:48.700 I mean, this is my segment.

00:47:50.700 So, you know, a little bit of a precursor, but you know, it's non-Christian, it's non-Christian 1.00

00:47:54.700 countries that think this way.

00:47:55.700 They just don't value the individual.

00:47:57.700 Yeah, that's true.

00:47:58.700 But sanctity and dignity of individual life.

00:48:00.700 It's just, it's also, I think it's, I think it's more than that.

00:48:03.700 I think it's about connection to the people in the place.

00:48:05.700 It's both.

00:48:06.700 I think it's both.

00:48:07.700 This, this, this guy was basically here to exploit.

00:48:09.700 Yeah.

00:48:10.700 And okay.

00:48:11.700 Well, I don't care about you guys.

00:48:12.700 Obviously you don't care.

00:48:13.700 Yeah.

00:48:14.700 Um, uh, arch covered this in the arch cast last night.

00:48:17.700 Truly the actions of an esteemed doctor or engineer.

00:48:19.700 Uh, well, he's an expert truck driver.

00:48:21.700 I've heard, uh, by the way, you need to get arch on low seas one of these days.

00:48:25.700 Well, if he ever comes over to England, I will.

00:48:27.700 Uh, Matt says California legally gave out thousands of commercial drive illegally gave

00:48:31.700 out thousands of commercial driver licenses.

00:48:33.700 Car insurance rates have gone through the roof in the US.

00:48:35.700 Uh, there are people on the US roads who can't speak or read English.

00:48:38.700 Yeah.

00:48:39.700 But the point being as well, this, okay.

00:48:41.700 If that was just staying in California.

00:48:42.700 All right.

00:48:43.700 Well, you know, you made your own bed.

00:48:44.700 You get to get, you know, lie in it, but this is something that is handing it out.

00:48:49.700 Uh, Logan says as California commercial truck driver, please don't let me in with him.

00:48:54.700 Well, I'm sure you've got yours legally.

00:48:56.700 Right.

00:48:57.700 I'm sure you actually passed tests.

00:48:58.700 I'm sure you weren't just given it as an act of charity by the States.

00:49:02.700 Um, uh, but yeah, you and your coworkers have standards.

00:49:05.700 Yeah, I totally agree.

00:49:06.700 Uh, Joseph says I've heard that Canada has a huge problem with Indian commercial truck drivers as well.

00:49:10.700 Well, again, like I should have, I wish I'd got the Indian statistics up for the segment.

00:49:14.700 I didn't even, I didn't even think to do it.

00:49:16.700 Um, but hapsication, you're right. 0.69

00:49:17.700 The US isn't deporting enough people.

00:49:18.700 I love the driving in Russia videos.

00:49:21.700 Oh, I haven't watched the driving in India.

00:49:24.700 Oh, they are terrible.

00:49:26.700 Okay. 0.87

00:49:27.700 Absolutely terrible.

00:49:28.700 Um, and you see these cars, literally, you've got like wagons with people hanging on the side.

00:49:34.700 They're just swerving around on like, you know, the edge of a cliff.

00:49:37.700 And you're just like, how does anyone survive any journey in India?

00:49:41.700 It's just crazy, but there's no, no thought for the safety of themselves or others.

00:49:46.700 It's so weird, man.

00:49:47.700 And I guess it comes down to the kind of fatalistic reincarnation philosophy, right?

00:49:51.700 It's like, well, I'm not really happy with this incarnation.

00:49:53.700 Maybe I'll get reincarnated as something better.

00:49:55.700 Yeah.

00:49:56.700 Anyway, let's, uh, let's move on.

00:49:57.700 Sorry.

00:49:58.700 Yeah.

00:49:59.700 On that note.

00:50:00.700 Um, so a recent YouGov survey has found that 37% of 18 to 24 year olds now say they believe in a God,

00:50:08.700 compared with just 16% in August, 2021.

00:50:11.700 So you can see this was reported in the Telegraph.

00:50:13.700 It was a YouGov poll.

00:50:14.700 Um, and the same show, the same poll showed that atheism among that same demographic has

00:50:19.700 dropped sharply from 49% in 2021 to 32% today.

00:50:23.700 So there's a substantial increase in religiosity among Gen Z, among young people.

00:50:28.700 Um, a study by the Bible Society, which was published in April of this year, found that

00:50:32.700 last year around 12% of adults attended church at least once a month, which is up from 8% in

00:50:37.700 2018.

00:50:38.700 So it's still a relatively small number of people, but it's a, it's a substantial increase

00:50:42.700 in terms of a percentage.

00:50:43.700 Um, and at the, you know, at the, you know, tip of the spear is young men, uh, with over

00:50:49.700 a fifth of 18 to 24 year old, uh, men attending church at least once a month, which is a, which

00:50:54.700 is a huge increase from the 4%, uh, in that demographic in 2018.

00:50:58.700 Um, and women in the same group are, uh, sort of following a similar trend of increasing

00:51:04.700 church attendance, um, with the research identifying, uh, Roman Catholic and Pentecostal churches

00:51:09.700 as being the most popular among these groups.

00:51:12.700 Um, and I find that quite interesting cause that's, I mean, I'm a Catholic and we're going

00:51:15.700 to get into that.

00:51:16.700 Um, and it is because of the, you know, I think for a long time, the church, uh, in the face

00:51:21.700 of like the new atheists who were arguing people out of faith, the church tried to hug people

00:51:26.700 back into faith by being a little bit trying to modernize and having a kind of happy clappy

00:51:30.700 guitar strumming type of Christianity that I think a lot of people, certainly my age

00:51:34.700 and I would imagine your age as well, associate Christian faith with.

00:51:37.700 And so when we encounter a kind of traditional Latin Roman Catholic mass, it's something quite 0.89

00:51:43.700 different to that.

00:51:44.700 It's far more intense.

00:51:45.700 It's far more, uh, profound, deep.

00:51:47.700 Um, it's kind of got, it's got all the bells and whistles if you want.

00:51:50.700 And it doesn't, it doesn't, you don't feel pandered to, and you don't feel insulted by 0.92

00:51:53.700 how dumbed down it is.

00:51:55.700 And it's actually that, that I think a lot of young people are crying out for. 0.95

00:51:58.700 They are crying out for authenticity and depth of experience and not to be, you know, insulted

00:52:03.700 by somebody thinking that what they need is a kind of happy clappy, you know, very superficial

00:52:08.700 form of faith.

00:52:09.700 Come by our form of faith.

00:52:10.700 Yeah, exactly.

00:52:11.700 Exactly.

00:52:12.700 So there are now over 2 million more people attending church in Britain than there were

00:52:15.700 six years ago.

00:52:16.700 So this is, you know, because the part of this story is the demographic element of it, because

00:52:20.700 obviously we've had an influx of people from other cultures with other faiths.

00:52:23.700 Um, this same, well, the census data shows that Britain's Muslim population has increased

00:52:27.700 in the past decade from 2.7 million in 2011 up to 3.9 million in 2021.

00:52:32.700 So part of this growth in religiosity will certainly be driven by immigration and driven

00:52:36.700 by, uh, migrant descended, uh, you know, families, uh, and this sort of thing.

00:52:41.700 But in absolute numbers, there is a huge number of people attending Christian churches, um,

00:52:46.700 which I view as a very good thing as a Christian.

00:52:48.700 And Carl, I know you went to church yesterday, which I was pleased to see.

00:52:51.700 Pleased to see.

00:52:52.700 Yeah.

00:52:53.700 Um, it's, yeah, my, yeah, I'm, I might be an atheist, but I don't want my kids to be.

00:52:56.700 Um, why is that if you don't mind me asking?

00:52:58.700 Well, because honestly, I just think that, so I've told the story before, but like basically,

00:53:03.700 uh, when, when I took my oldest son to be christened and then my others, uh, I noticed

00:53:08.700 that my dad was really enjoying the ceremony, right?

00:53:11.700 He was really enjoying singing the hymns and, uh, just being in the church.

00:53:15.700 So I, I thought about this and I realized what it was.

00:53:18.700 I mean, he's an atheist, right?

00:53:19.700 He's like every boomer basically. 0.60

00:53:21.700 Uh, like he's an atheist, but he, for him, this was now a nostalgia, right?

00:53:26.700 He's going back to a time in his childhood where, you know, his parents would make them

00:53:29.700 go to church every Sunday and it reminds him of a time when the world was more simple

00:53:33.700 and more safe and more normal and like more wholesome.

00:53:36.700 And I don't have that.

00:53:39.700 I don't get any nostalgia for churches because my parents never made me go to church.

00:53:43.700 And so for me, a church is completely alien.

00:53:46.700 I don't know any of the hymns.

00:53:47.700 I don't know anything about it.

00:53:49.700 And I think that actually the, the belief in God is, is less important than the experience

00:53:56.700 of having done the thing to me, right?

00:53:58.700 So I, I, you know, I'm not going to, you know, browbeat my kids to believe in God or anything,

00:54:03.700 but I want them to know that this is the sort of traditional English thing to do on a Sunday.

00:54:08.700 Yeah.

00:54:09.700 And I was removed from that tradition.

00:54:11.700 So I don't have any feelings one way or another actually towards it.

00:54:16.700 You know, like I should have nostalgic feelings of being bored in church.

00:54:19.700 You know, okay.

00:54:20.700 It was, you know, if you, if you're bored in church, great.

00:54:22.700 You've, that's a privilege, frankly, to be bored in the modern era.

00:54:25.700 So if you get to be bored for an hour or two on Sunday mornings, not the end of the world.

00:54:29.700 And then when you're older, you'll at least have really fond memories of that being something you did as a family.

00:54:34.700 Yeah.

00:54:35.700 Um, whereas I, I just don't have those.

00:54:37.700 And so I was talking to my wife about this.

00:54:39.700 She was like, well, maybe we should start going to a church.

00:54:42.700 I was like, okay, well maybe we could try it.

00:54:43.700 Yeah.

00:54:44.700 And it was quite nice.

00:54:45.700 You know, I think that's wonderful though.

00:54:46.700 I mean, I'm going to get a little bit into, if you'll indulge me, my own lived experience with this, with this question.

00:54:51.700 Cause I think it is illustrative of the experience of a lot of young people.

00:54:54.700 Um, because another statistic that came out of this research was that around a third of 18 to 24 year olds, uh, who do not attend church on a regular basis said that they would go if they were invited by a friend.

00:55:05.700 Right.

00:55:06.700 And that was my experience.

00:55:07.700 So that's, that's the sort of thing I'm talking about.

00:55:09.700 It's, it's not, it's not about the religiosity necessarily.

00:55:13.700 It's about the cultural experience of doing it.

00:55:16.700 Right.

00:55:17.700 Cause it's, it, it is a lovely thing.

00:55:19.700 Like another problem I've had is like modern churches.

00:55:22.700 Uh, I hate modern churches.

00:55:23.700 The one I went to, uh, you know, the guys walking around burning incense and singing harmonies with a choir and stuff like that.

00:55:29.700 And I was like, okay, well, this is just a really nice experience.

00:55:32.700 Even if, you know, I don't, you know, get anything religious out of it.

00:55:36.700 It's just very pleasant to do.

00:55:37.700 And the, the echoing of the, the voices throughout the church because of the way the church is built.

00:55:42.700 Like it's very harmonious and it was just very, very pleasant.

00:55:45.700 Yeah.

00:55:46.700 And it's, it's that sort of, again, it's kind of a feeling of nostalgia that you're tapping back into.

00:55:50.700 And like with mine, I just wanted my children to at least say, well, I had to go to church, but then when they get their kids baptized, at least they'll enjoy the thing and they'll understand why they're there.

00:56:00.700 Sorry, go on.

00:56:01.700 Yeah.

00:56:02.700 I went to a church of England primary school and the church that was associated with the school, um, at the time was very much, uh, the, the former sort that you were talking about, that it was trying to appeal to us and trying to be kind of cool.

00:56:13.700 And that always made me cringe.

00:56:14.700 I mean, yeah.

00:56:15.700 Tell me that I'm wrong.

00:56:16.700 Yeah.

00:56:17.700 Tell me why I'm a sinner.

00:56:18.700 Yeah.

00:56:19.700 Give me the scripture.

00:56:20.700 Yes.

00:56:21.700 That is the moral instruction that will help me on the day to day basis.

00:56:23.700 That's what I mean.

00:56:24.700 When I went on Sunday, the guy was like, yeah, Jesus said, I'm here to bring division.

00:56:27.700 I'm like, okay, I'm listening.

00:56:28.700 Yeah.

00:56:29.700 You know, that's, that's, that's not happy clappy, like, can buy our stuff.

00:56:32.700 Yeah.

00:56:33.700 What, what's the division?

00:56:34.700 You know, I'm not going to, but like.

00:56:35.700 Yeah.

00:56:36.700 Between daughter-in-law and mother-in-law.

00:56:37.700 Yeah, exactly.

00:56:38.700 Well, let's, I'm, I'm, I'm listening.

00:56:39.700 Yeah.

00:56:40.700 That's at least interesting to hear about.

00:56:41.700 But that's the point.

00:56:42.700 It was, it was a pandering, supine, you know, deeply uncool form of Christianity. 0.60

00:56:46.700 Yeah.

00:56:47.700 I was raised with at school and my parents are, you know, my parents are not churchgoers,

00:56:50.700 but they're the kind of people that if you ask them, they will say that they're Christians

00:56:53.700 because I think it's a, there's a, there's a distaste for calling oneself an atheist.

00:56:57.700 I think among certain people, which I do understand because there is a coldness and a hopelessness

00:57:01.700 to it.

00:57:02.700 I think in a lot of people's eyes, but nevertheless, I was an atheist during much of my childhood

00:57:06.700 and teenage years. 1.00

00:57:07.700 My religion was stupid. 1.00

00:57:08.700 I think it was a, I thought it was a stupid thing for stupid people. 1.00

00:57:11.700 And I basically, my takeaway from school, my religious education at school and my kind 1.00

00:57:15.700 of experience of church at school was that the Bible was basically like happy little 0.98

00:57:20.700 stories about happy little people doing happy little things in a way that was really like

00:57:24.700 these, this is just fiction that I, and it's just like, it's just nonsense basically.

00:57:28.700 So I was, you know, militant atheist, big fan of, you know, your Richard Dawkins,

00:57:31.700 Sam Harris, yourself actually, Carl, as well.

00:57:33.700 I was never that militant about it.

00:57:35.700 It was never really something I thought about that much, but I just was.

00:57:37.700 Yeah.

00:57:38.700 And I just wasn't up for any of it. 0.97

00:57:39.700 I thought, I thought it was all really dumb. 0.57

00:57:41.700 And then I went to university and about, about 19 during lockdown, I was, you know,

00:57:46.700 I was spending a lot of time by myself.

00:57:48.700 And so there was a lot of sort of, you know, introspection, sort of, you know, contemplation,

00:57:53.700 listening to a lot of people like Jordan Peterson.

00:57:55.700 And it was around that time I started to think in a somewhat religious way.

00:57:58.700 Do you think that this is reflective, representative of a lot of Zoomers experience?

00:58:01.700 Well, in, in, in, in this research and in the coverage of it, lockdown is noted as being

00:58:06.700 a very, very, as being a real inflection point for this trend.

00:58:09.700 Yes.

00:58:10.700 And I don't think it's surprising because, you know, we were, there was nothing else to

00:58:12.700 do.

00:58:13.700 And, and I think people were racked with, many people were racked with fear, depression,

00:58:16.700 loneliness, anxiety.

00:58:17.700 And so it's no surprise that people went searching for meaning in other places.

00:58:21.700 I know I did, you know, and that, and that's largely what led me to faith basically, because

00:58:25.700 I wouldn't have called myself a Christian at this time.

00:58:27.700 I was more given to a kind of a perennial view, which is like all religions are, they

00:58:32.700 point towards the existence of the same fundamental reality.

00:58:34.700 And they're all equally valid routes to, you know, to, to a kind of transcendent experience.

00:58:39.700 Um, which I don't, I don't believe any more incidentally, because I was thinking in what

00:58:43.700 I have now come to realize was a very Catholic way.

00:58:46.700 I was thinking in a very black and white way about reality, morality, beauty, goodness,

00:58:51.700 you know, truth, all of these things.

00:58:52.700 I felt that there was, I was totally opposed and remain totally opposed to relativism, um,

00:58:57.700 which was a large part of my university experience because I was educated and, you know, in that

00:59:02.700 institution by postmodernists, by people who were atheists, didn't believe in objective

00:59:06.700 morality, didn't believe in objective beauty.

00:59:08.700 Everything was in the eye of the beholder.

00:59:09.700 Everything is what you make of it.

00:59:10.700 All lifestyles are equally valid.

00:59:12.700 You know, all actions are essentially, you know, there's no, there's no, there's no

00:59:16.700 under, there's no right or wrong.

00:59:17.700 Yeah.

00:59:18.700 There's no foundational reality to any of it.

00:59:19.700 And, and that is just a totally disempowering nihilistic view of the world, um, which just

00:59:24.700 totally bounced off me.

00:59:25.700 And I think it's bouncing off of a lot of young people, especially young men who feel

00:59:29.700 within, you know, within the depths of their soul that there is a fundamental reality that

00:59:33.700 we, that we can interface with if we are open to it.

00:59:36.700 So I wonder how much of this is actually a revolt against the concept of freedom.

00:59:40.700 Yes.

00:59:41.700 Right.

00:59:42.700 Because the, every, everything that you're saying there, the whole, the whole purpose of

00:59:45.700 the relativistic universe is to make people maximally free from, honestly, normative moral

00:59:52.700 judgments.

00:59:53.700 And I think that's actually a very unhealthy way to live.

00:59:55.700 And I think one, I think it's the Catholic church in particular that appeals to a lot of

00:59:59.700 young people because they have strict rules and hierarchy. 0.99

01:00:03.700 You will do this.

01:00:04.700 There's no gray area.

01:00:05.700 There's no gray area.

01:00:06.700 Exactly.

01:00:07.700 There's absolutely no gray.

01:00:08.700 And I, I really think that this is about, there's a kind of, I don't want to say yearning,

01:00:13.700 but I can't think of a better word for that.

01:00:15.700 A kind of soulful, yeah, longing for structure and order.

01:00:19.700 That's so right.

01:00:20.700 And I, and I really think this is where the right, this is where all the conservatives

01:00:24.700 have completely left the field because the liberals are going, well, why should we?

01:00:27.700 It's like, okay, well, without God, the conservative has a very difficult time actually articulating

01:00:33.700 their own argument.

01:00:34.700 And we're going to get into that because that's, I do want to, I mean, I don't want to get too

01:00:37.700 kind of deep because I realize this is just a daily podcast, but there is, there's points

01:00:40.700 here that I think are, need to be made.

01:00:42.700 Um, so to finish my kind of story, you know, I attended a Latin Catholic mass with a friend

01:00:48.700 of mine, uh, because she was going and I was driving her to the place and she was like,

01:00:51.700 do you want to come in?

01:00:52.700 And I was like, yeah, why not?

01:00:53.700 Go on.

01:00:54.700 I see what this is all about then.

01:00:55.700 Open, open to those ideas at the time.

01:00:56.700 Anyway, attended it.

01:00:57.700 And the priest was there banging on the lectern, talking about the shifting sands of liberalism

01:01:01.700 being the foundation for our society.

01:01:03.700 And I was sitting there kind of like, okay, you know, really resonated with me.

01:01:07.700 And so, and so I, yeah, I started to, you know, so I started to pursue this, you know,

01:01:11.700 this sort of, uh, this tradition and understand more about it.

01:01:15.700 Started attending a Catholic church, had the great pleasure of getting to know my local priest,

01:01:19.700 who is an amazing, you know, deeply wise man, um, who has become something of a mental figure

01:01:24.700 to me.

01:01:25.700 And my, my faith has just grown and grown.

01:01:27.700 And a large part of it is because of what you just said, which is that I, you know,

01:01:31.700 and, and everybody my age has been educated to believe that the substance of life is to

01:01:35.700 be found in the limitless pursuit of self-expression and individual kind of growth, whatever that

01:01:41.700 means.

01:01:42.700 That's the accumulation of wealth or the accumulation of experience.

01:01:45.700 The idea, for example, that you wouldn't, you don't start a family until you've lived

01:01:48.700 your life, whatever, whatever that means.

01:01:50.700 I mean, it basically just means like traveling and partying, which sure is maybe fun for a

01:01:54.700 couple of weeks, but it's, but it's not, but it's not, you know, it's not a real, it's

01:01:58.700 a, it's not a deep form of meaning and it gets old very quickly.

01:02:01.700 And that kind of hedonistic lifestyle, it's just no way to live.

01:02:04.700 Cause that was another thing.

01:02:05.700 I mean, I, I sort of, when I was at university again, as many people do, because this is the lifestyle

01:02:09.700 culture that is encouraged at university, you do engage in that kind of thing.

01:02:12.700 Of course everyone does.

01:02:13.700 Yeah.

01:02:14.700 You do engage in a, in a hedonistic lifestyle.

01:02:15.700 And I very quickly realized that this is no way to live.

01:02:17.700 Even Anjem Chowdhury did.

01:02:18.700 Yeah.

01:02:19.700 Like unironically, there are pictures of him in university partying.

01:02:21.700 Yeah.

01:02:22.700 And it's just, and it's just not, you know, it's, it's not fulfilling and it's, and it's

01:02:25.700 actually, it's actually quite the opposite.

01:02:27.700 It makes you feel empty and it makes you feel without substance and without rooting.

01:02:30.700 Uh, and that, and, and, and, you know, so many people wonder why depression and anxiety

01:02:34.700 and mental illness is so widespread.

01:02:35.700 I think it is because of this is because of this rootlessness.

01:02:38.700 Yes.

01:02:39.700 And this really, I think is the, the sort of end point of the liberal view of freedom.

01:02:42.700 And so I'm actually not that surprised that Gen Z are like, okay, but I would like some 1.00

01:02:47.700 order.

01:02:48.700 I would like moral order to the universe.

01:02:50.700 Yes.

01:02:51.700 Which brings me to this principle here.

01:02:52.700 And again, I don't want to get too down in the weeds with this, but I think, but I

01:02:55.700 think that this is crucial to understand because this explains in my view, why Christianity

01:02:59.700 and particularly, particularly Catholicism is growing at such a rate in Britain and why young 0.65

01:03:05.700 people are so drawn to it.

01:03:06.700 And that is because the story of the Bible is not just happy little stories about happy

01:03:10.700 little people.

01:03:11.700 Like I thought it was when I was growing up, it is actually a description of the structure

01:03:14.700 of the universe, a perfectly accurate description of the structure of the universe.

01:03:18.700 And as somebody who was already thinking that there clearly is an interconnectedness, a oneness

01:03:23.700 to reality that cannot be explained through the quantitative means and language of science,

01:03:29.700 these ideas really resonated with me.

01:03:31.700 And especially, you know, rejecting as I was at that time, the culture of individual freedom

01:03:36.700 and hedonism and that sort of thing.

01:03:38.700 When I encountered these ideas, it just makes perfect sense to me.

01:03:40.700 So I've taken this from a book called A Father Who Keeps His Promises by Scott Hahn, which

01:03:44.700 is a brilliant exploration of the Bible and what the story of the Bible actually is.

01:03:49.700 And he describes it.

01:03:50.700 Well, that's what the title suggests.

01:03:52.700 It's about a father who makes promises to his children and follows through on those promises.

01:03:56.700 And so what this diagram here describes is how each of the prophets of the Bible, each

01:04:01.700 of the central figures of the Bible represent a different level, essentially of human organization

01:04:06.700 of civilizational structure.

01:04:08.700 So in the figure of Adam, you have the covenant of marriage.

01:04:11.700 And his role in that covenant is as the husband, right?

01:04:14.700 And then in Noah, he is the role of the father and he institutes the family or the household.

01:04:21.700 Abraham is essentially represents the tribe.

01:04:23.700 In particular, the sort of protective father as well, right?

01:04:25.700 That's right.

01:04:26.700 He saves everyone from the flood.

01:04:27.700 Yes, that's correct.

01:04:28.700 Abraham is the figure of the chieftain, the leader of the tribe, you know,

01:04:32.700 who God promises a great nation to and promises to spread his seed across the world

01:04:36.700 and bless all people.

01:04:37.700 Moses is the judge and the leader of the nation in the, you know, the 12 tribes of

01:04:42.700 tribes of Israel come together.

01:04:43.700 Well, he's the lawgiver who instances justice among the Israelites.

01:04:47.700 That's right.

01:04:48.700 Yeah.

01:04:49.700 Then you have David who turns the nation of Israel into the kingdom of Israel under his, 0.88

01:04:53.700 under his throne.

01:04:54.700 Yeah.

01:04:55.700 And then you have Jesus.

01:04:56.700 Okay.

01:04:57.700 So in the, like I'm, I, so through, through my philosophy degree, I got really into aesthetics

01:05:04.700 and part of aesthetics is storytelling and archetypes.

01:05:07.700 And these archetypes really are meaningful, right?

01:05:09.700 Yeah.

01:05:10.700 Because in the figure of David in particular, you have not only the, the, what, what the,

01:05:15.700 the king of the nation is the politicization of the nation against other nations.

01:05:18.700 Yes.

01:05:19.700 It's, it's not just, they are under the heel of Pharaoh or whatever it is.

01:05:22.700 Uh, but, but from this, David creates an empire.

01:05:25.700 Yes.

01:05:26.700 He creates a great and powerful kingdom.

01:05:27.700 Um, and so the line of David becomes the prestigious thing that Jesus comes from the,

01:05:31.700 the, again, the, the, the connection to the prestige, to the, the, the political power

01:05:35.700 that is created by the just order of the nation.

01:05:38.700 Yes.

01:05:39.700 So all of these things, like you don't have to look at them religiously.

01:05:42.700 Cause I know there are going to be a bunch of people watching and go, okay, I'm not really

01:05:45.700 religious.

01:05:46.700 Okay.

01:05:47.700 What can you get out of this?

01:05:48.700 The answer is the archetypes I think are what you're talking about as they are real.

01:05:51.700 Yes.

01:05:52.700 Whether you're a believer and regardless of how they come about.

01:05:55.700 Yes.

01:05:56.700 But this, this is the point is I was argued into Christianity.

01:05:58.700 I was not hugged.

01:05:59.700 I got to Christianity through rational means. 0.59

01:06:01.700 Like I, I, and I, and I came to believe that a lot of what I thought of as being irrational

01:06:06.700 about religion is actually what I would call post rational existing in the realm beyond

01:06:11.700 rationality, as opposed to before rationality cannot be understood through science.

01:06:14.700 And so it requires a different type of sense, which is faith.

01:06:18.700 And so, you know, I was like last year, I was at the point where I was reading these

01:06:22.700 stories and understanding these ideas from a rational, essentially atheistic perspective.

01:06:26.700 I was kind of, I was what you'd call a cultural Christian.

01:06:28.700 Right.

01:06:29.700 I thought, okay, the ideas work and they seem to be kind of true in a sense.

01:06:32.700 And so it seems to make sense that we govern our society along these lines.

01:06:36.700 But what the leap of faith actually is, is not, it's, you know, I believed at that time

01:06:40.700 that these were something like the closest approximation to the truth.

01:06:43.700 And that the Bible was kind of the closest we've got to moral reality, to, to, to painting 0.80

01:06:48.700 a picture of the moral universe.

01:06:50.700 But what faith is, is recognizing that it's not just the closest to it, it is actually the

01:06:54.700 thing itself.

01:06:55.700 So Jesus is not just a guy who got it nearly right when it comes to morality.

01:06:59.700 He was actually literally the son of God.

01:07:01.700 And that's, and that's what, and that's, you know, obviously you start to lose people

01:07:04.700 at this point because people think you're talking nonsense, but that's what faith actually

01:07:07.700 is.

01:07:08.700 Sure.

01:07:09.700 And the thing is there, there are going to be a bunch of people who aren't going to be

01:07:11.700 prepared to cross that threshold.

01:07:12.700 Yeah.

01:07:13.700 But the, the, the, the, the, the archetypal structures that you're presenting here, I think

01:07:18.700 in themselves have a great deal of value.

01:07:20.700 Yes.

01:07:21.700 And even if that's all you take from this, that's better than nothing.

01:07:23.700 Well, exactly.

01:07:24.700 But also.

01:07:25.700 And nothing is what mainstream culture offers us.

01:07:26.700 Well, exactly.

01:07:27.700 Exactly.

01:07:28.700 The, the, the, the liberal order would have that there are no archetypal values.

01:07:30.700 Yes.

01:07:31.700 There is no right difference between right and wrong.

01:07:32.700 Yes.

01:07:33.700 But this also provides a good sort of framework as to why Muhammad doesn't fit, why he's obviously

01:07:40.700 a false prophet.

01:07:41.700 Yes.

01:07:42.700 Right.

01:07:43.700 Because what, what does Muhammad as a barbarian warlord bring to this? 1.00

01:07:46.700 What's the covenant that God makes with Muhammad? 0.89

01:07:48.700 Exactly.

01:07:49.700 And it's, it's, it's depraved, frankly.

01:07:51.700 It's, it's awful.

01:07:52.700 I'm not going to alliterate it, but it's, it's not good.

01:07:55.700 And it doesn't fit into the, the ascendant processions.

01:07:59.700 Yeah.

01:08:00.700 Yeah.

01:08:01.700 The procession of things.

01:08:02.700 Yeah.

01:08:03.700 So like, you know, like I said, I'm not, I'm not a religious person, but I can see the

01:08:05.700 value.

01:08:06.700 Yeah.

01:08:07.700 It's understanding the world through these kinds of archetypal frameworks.

01:08:10.700 Yeah.

01:08:11.700 Because they represent what is true about human relationships and the way that we interact

01:08:16.700 with one another.

01:08:17.700 And so the fundamental case here is that these human structures like marriage, family, tribe,

01:08:21.700 nation, kingdom, and church are not arbitrary emergent phenomena with no sort of implicit or,

01:08:28.700 you know, fundamental meaning.

01:08:29.700 They are actually ordained by God created from a top down perspective.

01:08:33.700 And it is in our, you know, it is man's role in the same way that the role of a tree is

01:08:38.700 to grow and all trees follow that, you know, that pathway because they don't have free will.

01:08:41.700 Man's free.

01:08:42.700 We have free will, but our role as humans is to follow these structures and to embrace

01:08:46.700 these structures and to recognize that we are part of a divine order that is hierarchical

01:08:51.700 in nature and that we have a kind of unique place in.

01:08:54.700 And that, and it's that idea that the liberal world order just cannot count.

01:08:58.700 Yeah.

01:08:59.700 But the thing is, even, even if you're like, you know, purely materialistic atheist, you,

01:09:04.700 you can still come to these conclusions because these are normative aspects of the universe.

01:09:09.700 Yes.

01:09:10.700 So you think that was created by God or it was, you know, brought into being through natural

01:09:15.700 processes or whatever it is, they're still there.

01:09:17.700 This is what C.S. Lewis is calling the Tao, right?

01:09:19.700 It's like, look, this, this is just the structure of the universe in relation to what you are.

01:09:23.700 Yeah.

01:09:24.700 As an objective living being within it.

01:09:26.700 So regardless of how you think they get there, there's no doubt that humans are hierarchical

01:09:30.700 in these ways.

01:09:31.700 Yes.

01:09:32.700 So, you know, the, and each hierarchy has a normative component to it.

01:09:36.700 So you can, you can object to the theology of it all you like, but this as a, as a conceptual

01:09:44.700 schematic.

01:09:45.700 Yeah.

01:09:46.700 As a description of reality.

01:09:47.700 It's actually quite good.

01:09:48.700 Yeah.

01:09:49.700 Yeah.

01:09:50.700 It's true.

01:09:51.700 It's true.

01:09:52.700 And so what, you know, and then I think the, the next step to this is to look at this,

01:09:55.700 to recognize that the Bible and the stories of the Bible and the historical figures described

01:09:59.700 in the Bible and the experiences that they had, you know, and the way in which God in

01:10:03.700 the Bible institutes all of these different, um, institutions, I suppose, of marriage,

01:10:08.700 family, tribe, nation, kingdom, and church is to look at the order beneath which we live

01:10:12.700 today, the moral, political, and economic order that's existed since 1945.

01:10:17.700 Wow.

01:10:18.700 Who's proud of it?

01:10:19.700 Yeah.

01:10:20.700 Note the fact that it explicitly takes aim at each and every one of these structures,

01:10:23.700 and we can name the policies and the ideas and the principles that do so.

01:10:26.700 So marriage, for example, we have gay marriage, feminism, the idea that the sexes are perfectly 0.89

01:10:31.700 equal and should compete with one another.

01:10:33.700 I mean, that's a direct attack on Adam's moral authority.

01:10:36.700 Yes, that's exactly right.

01:10:37.700 And of course, pornography, which debases the marital act, turns it into a product, 0.99

01:10:40.700 a sensationalized consumer product.

01:10:42.700 Then you have marriage and once again, and then you have family.

01:10:45.700 So contraception is actively anti-family.

01:10:48.700 And also, with Noah as the protector, it's interesting how the police will arrest you

01:10:55.700 for interceding in, like for example, the guy who had his trousers down the other day

01:11:00.700 and the dudes beat him up and chucked him off the train.

01:11:02.700 They got arrested.

01:11:03.700 That's a direct attack on the archetype of Noah.

01:11:05.700 That's exactly right.

01:11:06.700 It's a direct attack.

01:11:07.700 You also have capitalism in its modern form, which forces both men and women to work.

01:11:11.700 But part of the role of the father is to work, right?

01:11:14.700 But that's not the role of the mother. 1.00

01:11:16.700 Well, not to earn money anyway.

01:11:18.700 Yeah. Well, when I say work, I mean going out of the house and hunting and gathering.

01:11:22.700 I don't want to suggest that being a housewife isn't at all work.

01:11:25.700 No.

01:11:26.700 But I'm using that in a very specific way.

01:11:27.700 I know.

01:11:28.700 But again, it's forcing men and women to compete with one another, 0.99

01:11:31.700 which is not, that's not a good foundation for a family.

01:11:34.700 And you then again have this championing and mainstreaming of what get called alternative lifestyles,

01:11:39.700 LGBT and all the rest of it, which pushes the notion that-

01:11:42.700 Immigration is a direct attack on Abraham. 1.00

01:11:44.700 Yeah.

01:11:45.700 We'll get to that, don't worry.

01:11:46.700 Oh, sorry.

01:11:47.700 The idea that all lifestyles are equal, which they are not.

01:11:50.700 And if for no other reason than heterosexual marriage produces children, 0.92

01:11:53.700 and you need children for a society to continue.

01:11:55.700 Then you get to the tribe, which is, of course, instituted in the figure of Abraham.

01:12:02.700 And it's here that you get into the truly, I think, most controversial territory of all of these,

01:12:06.700 which is the concept of racism and the concept of anti-racism as being a moral good.

01:12:11.700 It's an attack on the notion of tribe, the denial of ethnicity,

01:12:15.700 the denial of in-group preference along those lines, the pushing of diversity.

01:12:19.700 This is all an attack on the divine structure of the tribe.

01:12:23.700 You know, and that's why I think largely that's why so much of modern politics is so loopy is,

01:12:28.700 you know, we've attacked, we attack these divine structures and we expect things to just be fine.

01:12:32.700 We expect things to be better, actually, or our leaders do at least.

01:12:35.700 Then you have the nation, and it's quite obvious what the attack on that is.

01:12:37.700 It's mass immigration.

01:12:38.700 You know, it's the deconstruction of the nation.

01:12:41.700 But also, it's interesting that the laws themselves,

01:12:45.700 notice how everything that Blair did was always contrary to,

01:12:49.700 and everything Labour has done from the 20th century onwards,

01:12:52.700 was contrary to the inherited laws of the English.

01:12:55.700 Abolish the death penalty, open the borders, have all of these interceding moments

01:13:00.700 where the state intercedes between relationships, hate speech laws, all this sort of stuff.

01:13:05.700 You know, all of this is just antithetical to how the nation itself should be judged.

01:13:09.700 Yes.

01:13:10.700 And then you move on to the kingdom, and the primary attack on the kingdom is,

01:13:13.700 of course, liberal democracy.

01:13:14.700 The EU.

01:13:15.700 Yeah. 0.92

01:13:16.700 And a system that selects for, selects in favour of liars,

01:13:19.700 and those who can most effectively lie to the public,

01:13:21.700 and therefore, when they're in office, continue to behave in a dishonest way,

01:13:24.700 which is what we suffer under today.

01:13:25.700 And then finally, you have the church as the ultimate universal structure of,

01:13:30.700 you know, of human civilisation.

01:13:32.700 And the principal attack on that is the entire culture,

01:13:38.700 the entirety of the culture, which is, you know, rooted in the worship of the self.

01:13:42.700 Materialism.

01:13:43.700 Yeah.

01:13:44.700 You know, because really, if you read, for example, St. Augustine's The City of God,

01:13:48.700 you kind of realise that there's basically two things that you can worship in this life.

01:13:51.700 You can worship God, or you can worship yourself.

01:13:53.700 And worshipping anything other than God tends inevitably towards worshipping the self,

01:13:57.700 whether that's money, or fame, or a hedonistic lifestyle.

01:14:01.700 All of it is in pursuit of the worship of the self.

01:14:03.700 And that, really, the worship of the self, is the principle that underpins the entirety

01:14:08.700 of the modern moral paradigm beneath which we live.

01:14:11.700 Because, and you can see this most clearly, of course, in the culture of the 60s,

01:14:14.700 and in the boomers, you know, the lifestyles they live.

01:14:16.700 It's not exactly true. You don't have to argue for it. It's completely unfortunate.

01:14:19.700 Yeah, yeah. And especially, for example, in the figure of John Lennon,

01:14:21.700 and in two of his songs, Imagine and God, those are two songs that celebrate the worship of the self

01:14:26.700 as being, you know, and the destruction of these structures.

01:14:29.700 Oh, left-wing, oh, activism these days is the worship of the self.

01:14:33.700 You know, it's recognise me. I need representation. I need recognition. I need, it has to be me.

01:14:39.700 And it's not a coincidence. It's like a black woman saying, you know, Black Lives Matter.

01:14:43.700 Black Lives Matter. It's not a coincidence.

01:14:46.700 Yeah, yeah. And so I will conclude there, because I know we're running out of time.

01:14:50.700 But the point I'm making here is that the most radical thing that you can do as a young man

01:14:55.700 and as a young person in the 21st century is embrace faith, is embrace Christian faith.

01:15:00.700 Because all of the power structures that govern our societies since 1945 have taken explicit aim at all of the structures that Christianity seeks to create and to defend.

01:15:10.700 And what that's led us to is chaos.

01:15:13.700 There's a question I have here because I'm focusing on what you're saying.

01:15:18.700 So it's one thing. I'm going to be very tough, right?

01:15:22.700 Please.

01:15:23.700 Okay. So I don't care about what people are saying.

01:15:27.700 All this could be overcompensating against the New Atheist movement.

01:15:31.700 I care about what people are doing.

01:15:33.700 Yeah.

01:15:34.700 Know what people are saying.

01:15:35.700 I think that's crucial, by the way.

01:15:37.700 I think it's really important to look at how society will fare in the future.

01:15:42.700 Yeah.

01:15:43.700 So we'll see.

01:15:44.700 And that, Carl, I think is...

01:15:45.700 Because for me, it's mostly about how someone actually...

01:15:50.700 Conduct.

01:15:51.700 It's actual conduct.

01:15:52.700 Yeah.

01:15:53.700 And it's an issue of unmediated question of how you relate with what you consider to be divine.

01:16:00.700 Yeah. And I agree with that.

01:16:01.700 And this is why, in my view, the actual, the faith itself, the genuine, like authentic belief in God, you know, the idea that there is a creator, that the universe was created, that there is a will that underpins all of reality.

01:16:12.700 That wants us to behave in a certain way.

01:16:15.700 That's why that is crucial as part of this equation.

01:16:18.700 Because if you genuinely believe, as I do, that God is essentially watching you at all times and judging every move you make, it does force you to behave in a certain way.

01:16:26.700 And when you stray that path, when you sin, then you feel very guilty about it and you pray for forgiveness.

01:16:32.700 But even if you don't have a literal faith, taking this as a metaphorical truth about the universe and human society, I think is valuable in and of itself.

01:16:46.700 It's better than nothing, as I said before.

01:16:48.700 A little bit better than nothing.

01:16:49.700 It's one step on the path, I would say.

01:16:51.700 Because, I mean, I was a big believer in the idea of metaphorical truth, again, sort of about a year ago.

01:16:56.700 But now I just believe in truth, you know, a full stop.

01:17:00.700 But there we go.

01:17:01.700 We got any video comments, Samson?

01:17:03.700 Alex says, let's sum up going to the Labour councillor.

01:17:08.700 His defence is that he's had mental issues and made him unable to express himself in a responsible way, yet, one presumes, still has a glittering career ahead of him as a councillor representing locals in his area in an even-handed manner.

01:17:21.700 Yeah, I don't think it's going to stop his career in the Labour Party that he called for people to have their throats lit.

01:17:29.700 It's just not going to be the case, because they just don't care.

01:17:32.700 Yeah.

01:17:33.700 Right, so let's go to the video comments.

01:17:35.700 Things that make you go hmmmm.

01:17:39.700 Holding down the power button used to turn off a phone, but on my new phone it brings up an AI assistant and I have to tell it to turn off the phone, at which point it brings up the power options menu.

01:17:46.700 I need an AI's permission to turn off my own phone.

01:17:49.700 Things that make you go hmmmm.

01:17:51.700 Flemingway is finally due to open again this year after its closure in 2022 for development.

01:17:55.700 It was supposed to take two years, instead it's taken three.

01:17:57.700 Can anyone in the Lotus Eaters office see any improvement?

01:18:00.700 Hmmmm.

01:18:01.700 Wiltshire Police is being sued for appearing at the Swindon Emotional Pride 2025.

01:18:04.700 If this is an option, why aren't we all doing it for every event they're at?

01:18:08.700 Uh, there is actually improvement on that bus depot station area.

01:18:14.700 Uh, it looks like it's actually ready now.

01:18:16.700 So they have, it only took three years.

01:18:18.700 But even then, it took two years.

01:18:19.700 Like, there's nothing to it.

01:18:21.700 It's just, it's just a road that goes around the pavement.

01:18:24.700 Right.

01:18:25.700 Like, two years.

01:18:26.700 It's disgraceful.

01:18:27.700 So let's go to the next one.

01:18:29.700 A beautiful St Andrew's Cathedral.

01:18:32.700 When you look over here.

01:18:35.700 Afghan food truck.

01:18:37.700 And look down here.

01:18:40.700 Great.

01:18:41.700 Yeah, that's the Church of England for you.

01:18:46.700 Yeah, that's the Church of England for you.

01:18:47.700 Yeah, I know.

01:18:48.700 It's really embarrassing.

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01:19:16.700 The thing is, the idea, because there are those who accuse, like, who say, well, you're

01:19:18.700 a Christian, how can you be opposed to mass immigration?

01:19:20.700 That sort of thing.

01:19:21.700 That's well because it's an attack on the nation, which is a divine structure.

01:19:23.700 Also, one thing that isn't talked about many times is that one of the first arguments

01:19:28.700 against slavery came from a Catholic.

01:19:31.700 Oh, yeah.

01:19:32.700 And after the Treaty of Tordesillas in, about Latin America.

01:19:36.700 Yep.

01:19:37.700 Well, I mean, Catholicism generally.

01:19:38.700 No, much after because the Portuguese started the slave trade after 1494.

01:19:43.700 yeah and like all of the arguments in the sort of age of sale against slavery came from the

01:19:49.060 christians like long before the liberals yeah you know there's no getting around it sorry let's go 0.99

01:19:54.260 to the next one it arrived and i have the full set very nice um yeah well i'll be coming to

01:20:05.060 australia later this year also thanks sophie for talking about the illustrations for my next kids

01:20:10.460 book it's going to be amazing i think you're all going to love it and i'm also helping sophie

01:20:15.280 publish her book as well about halfway through editing it for her and then we're going to get

01:20:19.640 some really nice cover art and going to blast it out everywhere so keep an eye out i will get a copy

01:20:25.700 but yeah so um i'll be coming to australia at some point this year uh unfortunately because i hate

01:20:31.040 traveling um but uh yeah so come and see me basically um right jimbo says ricky jones the

01:20:38.880 postboy from the entire critical justice uh social justice movement much like timekeeping

01:20:43.020 and mathematics expecting him not to incite baying mobs to slip the throats of their enemies

01:20:46.440 is actually us imposing colonial standards on him thing is that's probably true it's probably

01:20:51.820 literally true um they're arguing that diversity simply can't cope with living in the western world

01:20:57.080 because it applies to basic standards is what they're saying yeah that that is what they're

01:21:01.180 saying and that's that's probably true um there are a lot of uh rumble rants about uh me going to

01:21:07.960 church uh i'm gonna ignore them for now sorry guys uh the videos by reese mog and the black belt

01:21:16.700 barrister made me realize that tutor justice also shows up in the details of exactly what charges are

01:21:21.420 made it seems that if you disagree with the agenda or critical of the government you are likely to be

01:21:25.920 charged differently than if you're a good little lefty yeah that's another thing as well like it's not

01:21:30.120 that we can explicitly quantify it but you can feel the lightness of justice that's applied to them

01:21:36.300 can't you you know and it's like look man you know i'm not gonna i'm not gonna say that this is the most

01:21:41.180 solid argument but i just don't agree you know i just don't agree that this is a level playing field

01:21:46.840 and you're not going to persuade me otherwise frankly again the fact that lucy conley is still in jail

01:21:52.460 it's like the the state has been so intransigent on the issue yeah so there are so many mitigating

01:21:57.900 factors that a state that wasn't hostile to the native population would just take into account

01:22:03.900 and they're the ones complaining oh the prisons are totally full okay well then

01:22:07.040 is she a danger to anyone yeah obviously not well she's she's a danger to the ideology of the state 1.00

01:22:13.680 that's exactly it that the moral legitimacy of the state she's a danger to which makes her more 1.00

01:22:18.160 dangerous than the criminals who are not a threat to the ideology of the state so soviet yeah i know 0.59

01:22:22.020 it's a cliche no no it totally is though yeah jimbo says according to someone i know despite the fact

01:22:26.940 that we've seen all the evidence with our own eyes the jury may have had access to privilege and

01:22:29.980 information which makes this what we've seen not an offense uh well that's i mean i think it's

01:22:37.880 actually just interpretive of what has happened right because they said it just wasn't inciting

01:22:43.100 violence um they did they were they were passing judgment on the same uh video that we saw yeah it's

01:22:49.280 not there was i don't think there's anything new uh roman observer says a diverse jury will never work

01:22:54.500 the concept of a jury of peers requires a homogenous society yeah yes correct also the laws in question

01:23:00.300 only belong to the english not the immigrant community so they're going to recognize the crime 1.00

01:23:03.360 at all well that's the that's the point isn't it you know if if this is just normal in the society

01:23:08.400 that they come from which i know that it is uh then what are we doing i gotta say i mean this is

01:23:15.120 pretty controversial i think in from the from a mainstream perspective yeah but this does show you

01:23:19.520 why the entire project of decolonization was just such a has been such a failure because we thought 0.74

01:23:24.320 we we behaved as if you know we built these structures in these countries and now that we've

01:23:28.260 given them you know given those peoples those structures once we leave things will just tick

01:23:32.440 along indefinitely and be fine and did you see the video of the indian politician the really fat one 0.91

01:23:36.500 handing out money for people to vote for yeah i know driving around he's really fat he's just 0.52

01:23:40.080 handing out rupees out of the car so people vote for him it's like listen man there's just no point in

01:23:45.360 saying indian democracy yeah this is not how india governed itself prior to the british you should

01:23:50.400 team up with a guy selling the food you know the really yeah yeah yeah the ready one yeah yeah

01:23:55.700 sponsorship yeah yeah slop in every pot um slop masala oh god and it's it's the same everywhere

01:24:06.160 though it's literally everywhere outside of essentially northwestern europe like i was i was

01:24:11.040 explaining to people like like i don't really trust the integrity of like eastern european elections

01:24:16.460 you know yeah i'm sorry i just don't trust the ukrainian elections yes we're not dealing with

01:24:21.100 english people exactly i mean maybe maybe in france and germany i believe it you know maybe in spain

01:24:27.040 portugal maybe you know in italy maybe even in greece but like uh you know outside of that i just don't

01:24:34.380 think that these people like consider political power to be negotiated in the way that we do

01:24:39.420 you know they they would rather essentially what come down to clan structures and say okay well

01:24:44.580 i'm not here to change their minds on that no you know definitely natural exactly yeah and that's the

01:24:50.760 thing i actually feel the way we live is quite natural to us yes actually and the the the incredible

01:24:55.760 low rate of corruption in what was a homogenous english nation was a remarkable thing absolutely 0.97

01:25:02.800 remarkable you know like i had never heard of people uh cheating in elections until

01:25:09.300 i was well into my 30s and i heard about what was happening in leicester yeah exactly right it just

01:25:14.880 it was unthinkable like unthinkable the idea of like bribing a cop i remember the i i used to work

01:25:20.940 um for the research councils my boss had spent time in africa uh you put setting up computers or

01:25:26.640 something and he told me about just multiple times where they just had to bribe cops let them go

01:25:30.660 because the cops just pull you over and you've done nothing wrong let's wait for a bribe and i was just

01:25:34.580 like that's horrific that's horrific i could never live in a country i can't even imagine trying to

01:25:40.440 bribe a british mob i mean offering money like i'd expect i mean you get arrested for it like i would

01:25:47.220 expect to be arrested for that anyway alex says um i won't be able to watch the immigration driver

01:25:53.680 section so this in advance i'm not defending the man but i've worked with a number of indians and

01:25:57.200 they tend to clam up when confronted with a serious situation well maybe if they don't cause

01:26:02.340 serious situations yeah clamming up won't be such a problem um it could do illegal things yeah

01:26:08.280 exactly you can come across a lack of concern the japanese smiling in an embarrassing situation

01:26:12.300 doesn't mean they're happy with it yeah i mean that could well be the case don't get me wrong

01:26:15.600 but the way that that comes across to the people you're taking advantage of uh is very negative

01:26:21.280 the ghost of enoch says in china if someone's hit by a car it's common for the driver to reverse

01:26:25.340 over them to finish them off this is because they are liable to pay the victim compensation for the

01:26:28.900 rest of their life they live jesus christ dark yeah the penalty for vehicular manslaughter is less

01:26:33.960 it's mad kevin says in 2023 in india oh yeah right yeah sorry i did look up the stats right

01:26:41.720 so um the the indian stats are insane uh so in the uk uh we have uh say in 2023 a thousand six hundred

01:26:52.220 95 road deaths and 28 976 serious injuries with 110 000 slight injuries right in india they had

01:26:59.440 480 000 road accidents which uh equates to something like 474 fatalities a day and when you put this

01:27:07.840 down to per capita so per 100 000 in the uk we have an accident rate of 2.4 to 2.7 india has 15 to 17

01:27:16.600 yeah so again per 100 000 so the absolute numbers are insane and i mean literally like

01:27:24.340 you know eight times what ours are absolutely mad uh uh so he gives kevin's in thailand at the moment

01:27:32.140 he says uh so in thailand there were 20 000 fatalities and the population of thailand is 71 million

01:27:38.240 so it's roughly on parity with britain yeah whereas we had 1 600 so it's absolutely insane like the

01:27:45.680 again we just assume that everyone has the same standards as us everywhere and we've seen this in

01:27:50.640 like healthcare and like the the african nurses who are constantly like accidentally killing patients 1.00

01:27:56.280 yeah like all of these things are just these are not universal things that other countries you know

01:28:01.180 they can have a department of motor vehicles or health or whatever but that the internal structure

01:28:07.360 of this thing and the function of this thing is not the same yes chance from canada says my wife's car

01:28:12.100 got swiped by an immigrant truck driver when she was parked and she wasn't in it the driver was

01:28:16.400 delivering to a nearby immigrant owned restaurant we noticed quickly that she spoke to the owner of

01:28:20.000 the restaurant to see if she received any deliveries and he lied to her face about not receiving deliveries

01:28:23.740 that day we obtained the security camera footage of the delivery truck dragging her car across the

01:28:28.040 parking lot they all must go it's like this is just a problem ramshackalotta says an african nurse got

01:28:36.140 drunk in a park after a shift off and drove his mercedes benz down my mom's 30 mile an hour speed

01:28:41.800 limit road at 70 miles an hour crashed into a family home and knocked it an inch off its footings

01:28:46.200 he was spared jail because the judge says the amount he gives back to the community is immense

01:28:49.920 such his name simba chimba apparently mad when did that become like a legally acceptable reason yeah i'm 0.70

01:28:58.660 i'm insane someone off i know you're from a foreign country i know you're insane it's not even that 0.96

01:29:02.200 the amount he gives back to the community is immense what does that even mean he enriches them 0.96

01:29:07.000 with diversity yeah it was a white community yeah he's diverse uh white rider says as an atheist

01:29:12.200 myself personally i feel the actual faces faith is less important but the church is important for

01:29:16.720 cultural and moral reasons i'm not the faith everything else goes yeah i foundation i i am

01:29:22.300 sympathetic to that argument as well because like essentially this this is an argument that i've i've

01:29:27.860 heard people across essentially why can't we just live a lie and it's like because

01:29:32.180 anyone at any point can say but aren't we all lying is it'll be the emperor's new clothes yeah

01:29:36.660 right and you know aren't we all lying and everyone goes yeah we are all lying and so the whole thing

01:29:39.880 will just collapse it just takes one person to do it but this is the fact you know this is the leap

01:29:43.740 of faith is is moving from it works to it's true and again i think metaphorically and structurally

01:29:50.620 it's true or maybe it's just true daniel says modern messages of start your family after you've lived

01:29:58.500 your life is perverse yeah it is starting your family that you discover what it is to truly live

01:30:02.560 and what does that even mean to live you to live one's life and then settle down and start a family

01:30:06.660 be childish and irresponsible yeah that's what it means um and it's there's no there's no great

01:30:11.340 advantage to it yeah honestly it's just wasting money frankly like like p like even if you were the

01:30:17.600 most heartless materialist you can still look at your own children as an investment yeah you know

01:30:22.860 like even if you're the most sort of cold callous materialist you would still have an aspect where

01:30:28.860 you oh you know my children will at least be something that produces for me later in life

01:30:33.660 yeah what a cruel thing to look at say but yeah it's it's you could still look at it that way just

01:30:37.900 to be like no i'm just gonna piss my my money away on alcohol and partying it's like right so you're 0.59

01:30:42.100 gonna end up poor with no investment nothing in life yeah um arizona desert route says my sister has

01:30:47.580 three young adult children who attend church just about every week and one is getting ready to serve to

01:30:51.160 your mission wow um jordan peterson turned many zoomers to christ well i mean yeah good well that's

01:30:57.280 the funny thing about peterson i was i was actually at an event a small event in uh oxford i think it

01:31:01.720 was earlier this year that he was speaking at um and it's so funny how he still to this day can't

01:31:07.720 bring himself to say that he is a christian and that he believes in christ and it's funny how i think

01:31:12.640 somebody at that event made the comment that you know the role of the prophet is to open the door but

01:31:16.280 never to step through the door himself and i think peterson's an example of that honestly it's a

01:31:20.200 problem with boomers they're just an atheist generation yeah genuinely and it's it's yeah 1.00

01:31:25.380 you know not great and like gen x are the consequence of that same millennials yeah and 0.99

01:31:30.540 this this is why i'm like okay i personally don't want to go to church on sunday right you know i've

01:31:34.980 got no desire to do it but i think it will be good for my children to have done it yeah so it's not i'm

01:31:39.380 not doing it for me uh i'm doing it for other people and my wife as well is actually a christian

01:31:44.220 um anyway unfortunately we are out of time there so thank you for joining us folks uh charlie where

01:31:49.860 can people find more from you uh well you can go to restore britain yeah go to church that's where

01:31:54.380 you can find me uh no you can go to uh restore britain.org.uk forward slash join us to join

01:31:58.860 restore britain uh which i am part of alongside rupert lowe uh otherwise you can find me at cf

01:32:03.480 downs underscore on all platforms great well thanks for joining us folks we will see you tomorrow

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The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - August 18, 2025

The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1232

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