The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters

00:00:00.000 Who are the men that pick for scraps amongst the ruins at the end of history?

00:00:06.000 You should know, because you encounter them every day.

00:00:09.000 Between the towering buildings of a fallen empire, we find the Felahim, the historyless men, 1.00

00:00:16.000 who know nothing of the turning of the cosmic wheel and find themselves outside of civilization itself.

00:00:22.000 Cut loose from the great chain of being, they represent the loan into which our dying culture will return. 1.00

00:00:29.000 That is, unless we choose to take up the burden once again.

00:00:35.000 This Felahim condition is the subject we explore in issue 4 of Islander Magazine.

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00:00:49.000 Hello and welcome to the podcast of the Lotus Seaters episode 1234 for Wednesday the 20th of August 2025.

00:00:57.000 I'm your host Luca, joined today by Bo and Lewis.

00:01:01.000 Hello.

00:01:02.000 Now Director of Investigations for Restore Britain.

00:01:05.000 So many congratulations.

00:01:06.000 Thank you very much.

00:01:07.000 For us all for that.

00:01:08.000 Thank you. It means a lot.

00:01:09.000 It's quite an opportunity and...

00:01:11.000 Yeah.

00:01:12.000 Yeah.

00:01:13.000 It's quite a lot, isn't it?

00:01:14.000 Yeah.

00:01:15.000 Won't remind you of it for the rest of the podcast.

00:01:18.000 That is all good.

00:01:19.000 Anyway, today we're going to be talking about the closure of the Bell...

00:01:23.000 Bell...

00:01:24.000 I've done it again.

00:01:25.000 The Bow Hotel.

00:01:26.000 The closure of the Bell Hotel in Epping.

00:01:29.000 We're then going to be having a bit of an update on Trump's deportations.

00:01:34.000 And then we're going to be talking about the Met Police absolutely bracing themselves for Notting Hill Carnival this weekend.

00:01:42.000 So it should be a bit more of a comical segment to end on.

00:01:46.000 Anyway, with that all said, over to you Lewis.

00:01:48.000 Shall we?

00:01:49.000 Okay.

00:01:50.000 So we've just had Epping recently.

00:01:53.000 Once again, some really good news where the Battle of Epping, as they say, has won.

00:02:00.000 But it's not over, as they say.

00:02:02.000 There was something quite nice, actually, about waking up and seeing that The Guardian had posted saying that Labour's plans are in turmoil after the Epping Hotel was blocked from housing the illegal migrants as well within this hotel. 0.62

00:02:21.000 So we're going to go through this story.

00:02:24.000 We'll read some from The Guardian as well.

00:02:26.000 We'll see some reactions.

00:02:27.000 And what happens next?

00:02:29.000 Because there's a lot of questions.

00:02:31.000 Well, do people just, you know, get evicted and then move on to another place?

00:02:35.000 Is it just past the buck now?

00:02:37.000 Or can something actually be done?

00:02:40.000 But before we do that...

00:02:41.000 I just love how Labour's plans are in turmoil.

00:02:45.000 Just our plans.

00:02:46.000 Our plans are in turmoil.

00:02:48.000 Indeed.

00:02:49.000 Oh, I thought you were going to say something, Beau.

00:02:52.000 Yeah.

00:02:53.000 Forgive me.

00:02:54.000 Islander first, I believe. 0.79

00:02:56.000 Sure, why not?

00:02:57.000 Cool.

00:02:58.000 Tell us about it.

00:02:59.000 Yeah.

00:03:00.000 Pick up Islander copy number four.

00:03:02.000 Beau there is giving a good showcase there.

00:03:06.000 Yeah, you should get it.

00:03:07.000 Some really, really cool writings in it.

00:03:09.000 Rory does a fantastic job on all the graphics, making it look really, really nice.

00:03:14.000 And they sell out pretty quick, from what I've been seeing as an outsider.

00:03:19.000 So...

00:03:20.000 It's all true.

00:03:21.000 I can confirm it all.

00:03:22.000 Indeed.

00:03:23.000 So, with this Guardian article to kick things off, I wanted to go through how it's framed,

00:03:28.000 and we can have a bit of a little discussion around it, and then go through a few things

00:03:33.000 we've witnessed at the Epping protests from the last month and a half or so, I think now.

00:03:39.000 It's been going on for quite a while.

00:03:40.000 Quite a while.

00:03:41.000 So, it opens this article with,

00:03:43.000 Keir Starmer's asylum plans have been plunged into turmoil after a High Court ruling blocked people seeking refuge,

00:03:52.000 is how they're framing it, from being housed in an Essex hotel called the Bell Hotel.

00:03:58.000 Epping Forest District Council was granted an interim injunction on Tuesday to stop asylum seekers from being placed at the Bell Hotel,

00:04:06.000 following continuing protests nearby.

00:04:09.000 Thousands of people, including some right-wing agitators, have gathered near the hotel in recent weeks,

00:04:17.000 after an asylum seeker living there was charged with sexually assaulting a 14-year-old girl in the town.

00:04:23.000 Famously something that only right-wing agitators ever care about.

00:04:28.000 Ministers are bracing for dozens of legal challenges from other council leaders after the ruling.

00:04:34.000 Home office lawyers warned the court that the decision could, quote,

00:04:38.000 substantially impact, end quote, the government's ability to house asylum seekers in hotels across the UK.

00:04:46.000 There are about 200 hotels housing about 30,000 asylum seekers at the end of March.

00:04:54.000 Insiders at the home office admitted the department had been left reeling by the ruling.

00:05:00.000 The department is obliged to house asylum seekers until their cases are assessed.

00:05:04.000 So, obviously we know about the framing from the Guardian, but I thought it would be very entertaining as well.

00:05:10.000 You know, look at what the opposition is framing it.

00:05:14.000 Still calling them far-right agitators.

00:05:16.000 Yeah.

00:05:17.000 Thoughts, gentlemen?

00:05:18.000 No mention that, even if there are, which I don't think there are,

00:05:22.000 even if there are, no mention of the left-wing agitators that's certainly been there.

00:05:27.000 Absolutely.

00:05:28.000 No mention of that.

00:05:29.000 The idea that they're obliged to house asylum seekers by their own rules. 0.63

00:05:33.000 Don't have to be.

00:05:34.000 We don't have to be obliged.

00:05:36.000 We could just detain them, keep them on remand until they return to their country of origin or France. 0.99

00:05:41.000 Don't have to be obliged to do that, but also no mention of that.

00:05:44.000 No, of course not.

00:05:45.000 The overriding thing, which is amazing really, is that the Home Office is the government, right?

00:05:54.000 It's the government.

00:05:56.000 So they're trying to keep unvetted, some certainly violent sex criminals in this community that don't want it, 0.81

00:06:06.000 near a school, inside of a school. 0.72

00:06:08.000 That's their angle.

00:06:09.000 That's what they're doing.

00:06:11.000 The local council, at least some of them, and a lot of the local residents, obviously don't want that.

00:06:16.000 But the government, the Home Office, and it's their job, from MI5 down through all the police, everything.

00:06:24.000 It's their job.

00:06:25.000 Their first and foremost charge is to keep us safe.

00:06:29.000 They're the ones doing this, doing everything in their power through the courts to keep these people.

00:06:36.000 Well, we did it.

00:06:37.000 It's crazy, isn't it?

00:06:38.000 It is crazy.

00:06:39.000 It is crazy.

00:06:40.000 We did a segment only, I believe, last week, where it showed between 2020 to 2024 that the Home Office were engaging with NGOs,

00:06:48.000 charities, and, well, legal councils, essentially, having meetings with them.

00:06:54.000 But we've not seen anyone being allowed, from what I've seen, I don't know, feel free to prove me wrong,

00:07:01.000 of any consultations or meetings between the Home Office and people that might not want that.

00:07:06.000 Well, those aren't the sort of voices that are very welcome in Whitehall, are they?

00:07:10.000 No.

00:07:11.000 Interesting.

00:07:12.000 It says, reacting to the judgment, the Board of Security Minister, Angela Eagle, said, quote,

00:07:17.000 We will carefully consider this judgment as a matter remains subject to ongoing legal proceedings.

00:07:23.000 It would be inappropriate to comment further at this stage.

00:07:27.000 So, that's that.

00:07:28.000 I think it's important, though. 0.99

00:07:29.000 Coward. 1.00

00:07:30.000 Political coward. 1.00

00:07:31.000 Essentially. 0.91

00:07:32.000 Yeah.

00:07:33.000 If we move on to the next one, please, because my stream deck thing isn't working, for whatever reason.

00:07:38.000 I think it's important to remember that without...

00:07:43.000 I've done it.

00:07:45.000 I think it's important to remember, as well, that without people on the ground, the concerned mothers, fathers,

00:07:54.000 people that came out in Epping, the local community, this wouldn't have happened, I don't think.

00:08:00.000 And we can go through, because there is a tweet that explains a bit more about why this particular hotel has been, is closing down because of this.

00:08:11.000 And we'll go through that.

00:08:12.000 But I think it is important to not only say about the local people that have come out in support, but also the citizen journalists and journalists that were going to these protests to consistently film them, consistently show, listening to the people.

00:08:31.000 Mm-hmm.

00:08:32.000 And there's been a real big insurgence of citizen journalists that have been there.

00:08:35.000 Adam Brooks, he was there pretty much nearly every protest.

00:08:41.000 I mean, he tried to make it out for most of the time for nearly every protest and was there asking people their concerns, talking to people, which the legacy media never will do, never does.

00:08:54.000 And if they do, it's a particular narrative and a spin.

00:08:58.000 It's not, well, what is your concerns?

00:09:01.000 And then going to the other side and asking, well, why are you here today?

00:09:04.000 Like, just a basic question.

00:09:06.000 You just hardly see that anymore.

00:09:08.000 And that shows how the legacy media is destroying itself.

00:09:12.000 The good thing about this is that the noble people of Epping coming out, it made a difference.

00:09:20.000 It did matter.

00:09:21.000 It is worth doing.

00:09:23.000 Because there's the angle you could say that, I mean, Carl Benjamin made a video just this morning, I think, on Daily Acad, where he talked about how it's good that there's this win, but it's also disappointing that it all boiled down to planning.

00:09:37.000 Yes, which we'll get into.

00:09:39.000 Which is, which is, as he said, annoying.

00:09:42.000 Yeah.

00:09:43.000 We'll still take the win.

00:09:44.000 Okay, it's just sort of lucky that it worked for us this time, but okay, we'll take the win.

00:09:48.000 But still, it's not the government, it's not the Home Office actually listening to the people at all.

00:09:52.000 But I think, which is all true. 0.98

00:09:54.000 I agree with that take completely.

00:09:55.000 But the thing is, if the people of Epping hadn't turned out like this, I bet a lot of money, I bet everything, that nothing would have happened at all.

00:10:04.000 No.

00:10:05.000 Nothing would have happened at all.

00:10:06.000 It wouldn't have even got to like the planning permission thing.

00:10:09.000 That wouldn't have happened either.

00:10:11.000 The focus that the locals have brought to what's going on there.

00:10:15.000 Yeah.

00:10:16.000 It mattered.

00:10:17.000 It made a difference.

00:10:18.000 It honestly did.

00:10:19.000 I feel like, I don't know about you chaps, but since 2020, like, you know, I came on to this journalist, reporter, whatever you want to call it, scene, media scene, alternative media scene.

00:10:30.000 From the first thing I did was go out to a protest and an anti-lockdown protest and ask people like, why are you here?

00:10:37.000 And I didn't actually, I wasn't sure what to think at the time because I was so brand new to it all.

00:10:41.000 And I kind of was like, I'm not sure, but I went there and just, you know, ask people anyway, like, why, why are you here today?

00:10:48.000 And what's fascinating about it all is the rise in citizen journalism, the rise in people actually going out there, because I don't know about you, gents, I felt like protesting didn't do much for the past, like, few years. 0.94

00:11:06.840 Like a few, a few times we were kind of going, we've been out here for so long, nothing's been happening.

00:11:11.840 I know there, there's this group in Ireland when I'm, when I went there a couple of months ago, and they had been 24 hours camping outside of a, a golf resort, um, because they turned that into a migrant accommodation and they camped out 24 hours a day and had done for nearly over a year.

00:11:32.840 And I got to meet them and sit down and talk to them. And because it'd been a year on, they were sitting there going, nobody's listening to us. We feel like giving up, but we've come so far, but it shows that it forces the councils, especially to be put in a position where they have to look through any legal matter.

00:11:51.840 When there's a will, there is a way, you know, um,

00:11:55.840 different protests. Sometimes it works. Sometimes it doesn't. Yeah. I remember going on the anti Iraq war, Iraq war two, uh, rally in London, which was massive. Um, you know, quite often they say a million man March. Well, but this really was massive.

00:12:09.840 When was that 2002, 2003 was it 2002 or 2003? I remember going on that and, uh, it did achieve nothing. Uh, Blair just essentially ignored it, just ignored it basically, but that was a one day thing. Um, so sometimes, uh, protesting absolutely doesn't work. Sometimes it does.

00:12:29.840 Yeah. But are you gonna, are you gonna not do it? You know, what else can we do? And that's the annoying thing, right?

00:12:35.840 I think of the sixties and the seventies, the, the lots and lots of protests in, in America about the Vietnam war.

00:12:42.840 Yes. Yeah. So for years they were essentially ignored. Yeah. But eventually it made a difference. Yeah. Eventually essentially forced Nixon's hand in the end one way or another. If nothing else, if nothing else, it can move the narrative.

00:12:58.840 Yeah. And now we live in the world of, of like the internet and Twitter and, uh, normal people journalists like Jack. Yes. In, uh, Sterling work. Yeah. Um, it's perhaps even more valuable than it used to be. Um, so I'll say, yeah, you may go on protest. You may go on protest for years and, and it never achieve anything. Yeah. But it might do though. It can do. Yeah. It certainly can do. Absolutely.

00:13:27.840 So if it really matters, if it's, if it's a difference between losing your country or not, it's a difference between your children getting sexually assaulted or not. Why not?

00:13:38.840 Yeah. Yeah. We, um, you mentioned about as well, uh, the reason why planning permission. Um, so this, I believe, uh, you sent me earlier actually. Um, and it was a journalist from, yeah, political editor from the times actually posted this. I just wanted to read it out. Uh, in the end, the bell hotel, the asylum hotel in Epping has been at the center of so much controversy, but it wasn't closed down because of protests, local fears or crime or disorder.

00:14:05.840 I actually disagree with a lot of that, but we'll, we'll go with, we'll go with that for now. Uh, it, it came down to planning laws, specifically the town and countries planning law of 1987.

00:14:15.840 Epping forest council argued and successfully that the owner of the hotel had failed to apply for planning permission for what was a quote, material change of use.

00:14:27.220 Uh, what was once a venue used for weddings and conferences was turned over exclusively to, to the use of 138 male asylum seekers. Uh, the judge blocked attempts by the home office to intervene.

00:14:40.680 Pretty based. Yeah. Um, arguing that it was not relevant in what was ostensibly a planning law or planning laws. Uh, it has significant repercussions.

00:14:52.360 Other councils could use the precedent to apply for injunctions of their own. Uh, the home office thinks it could undermine the entire asylum hotel policy.

00:15:01.520 So never underestimate planning regulations for once. I actually agree with red tape, you know, I'm so anti red tape, but in this instance, it's like, okay, well, that's actually helped.

00:15:12.480 Well, if it's, it's, um, exactly as you say, if it, because look at the end of the day, the, um, like, for example, I remember when I went to Scampton last year, RS Scampton, where they were trying to put a house of eagles on the air base there.

00:15:28.140 Yeah. And ultimately what it came down to was just that the local people were able to run down the clock until the time of the general election.

00:15:35.600 And then labor got in and just scrapped the Tories plan. Right. So it was never about, you know, the, the government was never actually forced to address the fact that this was going to endanger the local people.

00:15:48.500 It was never forced to address just the sheer immorality of the plan itself. It all, it all got bogged down in logistics and, uh, you know, there's the walls and there's bats living in there.

00:16:00.460 Like, you know, so it's like, it's not suitable for the migrants. And this is what they are going to say, whatever they want to say. Right. But we, it doesn't matter whether we don't need to get them to agree for our moral reasoning for why we want them to get closed because they're never going to agree. 1.00

00:16:17.140 Because if they did agree, they wouldn't be doing this to us in the first place. But what we can do is find the legal means to combat it. Yes. And the reasons are our, are our own. Right. And the reasons are perfectly good and moral. Yeah, absolutely.

00:16:31.620 I agree. So it's like a win. We'll take it. It's a win. We'll take it. Of course. Yes. Um, but it's just sort of, it's, it feels a bit like something like a cheap win. Right. Or it feels like, um, it, but you're right because the government themselves will never accept the actual, the idea that multiculturalism itself is a disaster or something like that. Well, um, they'll never accept that. So we have to do this. Okay. And what's it's not, but it's not ideal. 0.53

00:17:01.600 Is it? It's not really, we would like it. It would be best if the government actually accepted that putting 138 unvetted men right next to a school and at least two of them have committed violent crimes, that there's something wrong with that. Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. But for now, for the time being, it means it gets, hopefully that school of children in, you know, a much safer circumstance, which is a win. You know, it is entirely. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, 0.71

00:17:31.600 as whilst some of us see it as a win, others do not see it as a win, weirdly. And, um, I wanted to play this clip, uh, from Zoe Gardner. Unfortunately, she has blocked me on X. So, you know, can't really, you know, reply properly. Um, I haven't watched this clip yet, but I thought I'd throw it in just, you know, for a bit of balance.

00:18:01.600 Listen to her, listen to her take and see, you know, what she says.

00:18:06.240 Well, who is she? I've never heard of her before.

00:18:08.300 It's bugging out for some reason.

00:18:09.580 Well, according to her title, um, she's allegedly, uh, an asylum see, uh, asylum researcher. But, um, according to others that dug a bit deeper, like Charlotte Gill, for example, has found out she's actually just an activist.

00:18:24.140 Um, so, yeah. And I think, uh, Guido, Guido Fawkes has, um, uh, mentioned that she's an activist as well. Uh, but we'll see what she says. It's not really working at the minute, but it's giving us.

00:18:39.020 We'll move on. Whatever she said was so dumb that it broke out. 0.99

00:18:43.380 Another gem lost. 1.00

00:18:45.100 Yeah.

00:18:45.600 Like tears in rain.

00:18:48.180 Well, okay. So we'll move on from this. But according to this post, it says, quote, there were violent racist protests, people being terrorised who were living there. Um, and this, this person, Zoe, uh, was obviously on the BBC.

00:19:03.800 I, I, I'm not sure if Ofcom are going to investigate that. I highly doubt it. Um, you know, for biased reasons, but yeah, I wouldn't hold my breath. Don't worry. We'll move on. Cause to be honest, I didn't really want to listen to it anyway.

00:19:17.200 I just wanted to torture everyone else. So sorry about that.

00:19:20.240 Um, you failed.

00:19:21.360 There's another thing. Um, the rhetoric is also dialed up, but from someone in particular, um, we can talk about, uh, Nigel Farage wrote an article.

00:19:32.340 Um, yesterday at 7.50, it went out saying, Epping has shown the way to win. We must now detain and deport, uh, the thousands of illegal immigrants who have no business being in Britain. 1.00

00:19:46.240 Detain and deport. 0.71

00:19:47.800 Yeah.

00:19:48.600 Line.

00:19:49.060 Nice ring to it. Someone else.

00:19:50.780 Someone else.

00:19:51.480 I won't say that.

00:19:52.760 Also, isn't that supposed to be a political impossibility, Nigel?

00:19:58.240 I thought it was a political impossibility, so I don't, hmm. Well, at least the rhetoric's moved, I guess.

00:20:04.020 I mean, yes.

00:20:04.900 I mean, that's a good thing, right?

00:20:07.120 Wouldn't trust him to carry it out.

00:20:08.840 Well.

00:20:09.400 But encourages more people to, to say it.

00:20:14.260 Yeah. Well, oh gosh, I just went through a bit too quickly there. I don't know what that was.

00:20:19.620 Um, excuse me. I'm, yeah, a bit of a noob when it comes to this.

00:20:22.420 Sorry about that.

00:20:23.100 Um, so yes, the rhetoric has changed. Um, so that's interesting. But when we talk about what happens next, because that's the big question, right?

00:20:32.800 This hotel has been closed down. Where do we go next? Um, our people are just going to be past the buck, you know, from hotel to hotel.

00:20:40.740 And that's what people fear. I put out a video this morning and, you know, the main question was, yeah, it sounds great, but are people going to be past the buck?

00:20:50.520 So let's just go through it and have a discussion. Jack posted this earlier, saying Broxbourne Council might soon follow Epping with their own injunction to close the Delta Marrier in Chestnut.

00:21:01.880 Um, Chest Hunt, sorry. Um, as I wrote in the Critic Mag, uh, over two weeks ago, if one hotel like the Bell starts closing down, a quote, then everyone knows that peaceful, angry protests work.

00:21:13.700 So there seems to be a chain reaction happening. And I see it as a good thing. So I don't want you guys to think, but in my opinion, people are saying, well, you're just passing it, but you're passing the buck.

00:21:26.000 To be honest, I think if more, if more hotels decide to, or councils decide to go down this line, I think it will force the government's hand, the Home Office's hand to actually do something about it.

00:21:40.920 Because let's be honest, morally, politically, they don't want to deport people. They're not interested, really, let's be honest, on the grand scheme of things.

00:21:49.060 They're not interested in deporting illegal immigrants from the hotels. So by the councils enacting something similar, whether it be the planning permission, whether it be, um, other means, I see it as a personally a good thing. 0.97

00:22:04.880 And it applies pressure. What do you guys think?

00:22:09.080 Well, I, I do agree with you. I think that the other thing as well is that when you say, well, is it passing the buck on?

00:22:16.400 Well, if enough people can be inspired by Epping, and as we've covered, you know, very recently on the podcast as well, you know, just how much these protests are spreading throughout the country, you know, many, many different hotels, many towns, many cities.

00:22:31.820 If you can apply that pressure in each one and find the legal mechanism to basically invalidate its use as a hotel, on a large enough scale, theoretically, you could get to a point where you can't pass it anywhere, right?

00:22:50.760 You pass them on to another one. Well, not if nowhere's willing to take them.

00:22:54.540 The worry with that, of course, is that they all end up just getting put in, um, council houses, right? 1.00

00:23:02.060 And then you're having to, you've not even got them all compact into one place now.

00:23:06.420 Just scatter them even more because this is ultimately what it does come down to.

00:23:11.300 You're quite right. They don't want to get rid of them.

00:23:14.320 Do you know what I say? I say, because they're not going to deport, they're not going to deport them.

00:23:18.120 This, this, this government aren't going to do that unless the hand is almost forced by, you know, um, a chain reaction of this.

00:23:25.240 I say, um, Carla Denya, her constituents, maybe, maybe she could take more in because, you know, they believe diversity is a strength.

00:23:34.780 They believe that, uh, you know, uh, that we should be, there isn't such a thing as borders, you know?

00:23:42.900 Um, Jimmy Carr's got a big house.

00:23:44.720 He's got a big house.

00:23:45.400 Lots of empty rooms, I think.

00:23:47.620 Yeah, Billy Bragg, Billy Bragg's got a lot of empty rooms.

00:23:49.860 Lily Allen?

00:23:50.500 Yeah, sure, yeah.

00:23:51.600 Yeah. How about that? That's a good idea, don't you think?

00:23:54.120 I think this is good, but in a limited way.

00:23:56.660 It's, we're part of a process here.

00:23:58.700 It's not going to go from, uh, the Epping protest to the government deporting everyone that needs to be deported.

00:24:04.900 That's not realistic. That's not going to happen.

00:24:06.900 But so we're involved in an ongoing process here.

00:24:10.460 Yeah.

00:24:10.540 This step of the process so far is a bit of a win on our side of the ledger.

00:24:16.180 So take them where we can.

00:24:17.540 But it's absolutely right.

00:24:19.080 These 138 men, or is it 136, at least two are being held on remand for violent crimes and or sex crimes.

00:24:25.720 They're not just going to disappear.

00:24:27.560 They've got, the Home Office will have to send them somewhere.

00:24:30.340 So it'll be some other poor buggers community whose kids are now in danger, potentially. 1.00

00:24:34.580 So, yeah, it's true.

00:24:36.420 It is just passing the buck on.

00:24:38.120 But that's where we are in the process.

00:24:40.300 Yeah.

00:24:40.360 We've just got to keep pushing, again, on our side of the ledger until we either get a new government,

00:24:47.980 until this government does the morally right thing of deporting them, 0.57

00:24:50.840 or until we get another government that's prepared to do that,

00:24:53.280 or until perhaps we get into a position where there's hardly any hotels anywhere that are prepared to do it,

00:24:59.820 or the councils block it very, very quickly, preventing them from doing it.

00:25:02.700 And so then it makes, it gives the Home Office, the government's potential options more and more limited.

00:25:11.400 So where do you put them?

00:25:12.360 Do you put them on, like, an old RAF base?

00:25:15.060 Or do you put them in old barracks, old issues like public school, private school, sort of dormitories or whatever?

00:25:23.400 Or you make an offshore prison hulk?

00:25:26.440 Like the Skibby, Skibbidy, Skibbidy?

00:25:29.500 The Skibbidy, Skampton place, whatever they called it.

00:25:34.180 What was its real name?

00:25:37.300 Skibby Stockholm.

00:25:38.740 Bibby Stockholm, not Skibbidy. 0.73

00:25:40.620 The Skibbidy Stockholm.

00:25:42.500 The Skibbidy Stockholm syndrome.

00:25:44.260 Bo making brain rock memes.

00:25:47.100 And that was a shout out to the Gen Zedders. 1.00

00:25:51.440 The Skibbidy Stockholm, make, like, a dozen of those, all next to each other.

00:25:57.140 I've never heard you say that.

00:25:59.500 I've never heard you say Skibbidy's funny. 1.00

00:26:00.720 By the way, I did deliberately do that.

00:26:02.280 It wasn't, it wasn't the slip of the tongue.

00:26:04.580 Oh, right, sorry.

00:26:05.200 I was attempting to be funny.

00:26:06.660 Oh, sorry.

00:26:08.280 I think it worked.

00:26:09.600 Make 50 offshore prison hulks, whatever you want to, or whatever they're going to do.

00:26:14.780 They've got to do something with them.

00:26:16.020 They're not going to disappear.

00:26:16.860 If they're not going to deport them, they're not going to disappear.

00:26:20.460 So it's right.

00:26:21.660 It is a legit criticism to say, well, you're just passing the buck on.

00:26:24.900 Yeah.

00:26:25.080 But that is, that's just the reality.

00:26:27.880 That's where we are in this process.

00:26:29.240 Yeah.

00:26:29.580 We've got to keep putting various, in all different ways, put as much pressure on the

00:26:34.760 home office to sort of sort their act out.

00:26:38.100 Well, speaking of pressure, what we're doing over at Restore, Rupert Lowe put in the, well,

00:26:46.300 following the Epping ruling, he actually wrote to the Home Secretary saying, now is the time

00:26:51.960 for mass deportations, where it says, dear Home Secretary, I hope you'll join me in congratulating

00:26:57.360 the good people of Epping who have peacefully and successfully driven one of your rotten migrant 1.00

00:27:02.700 hotels to closure.

00:27:03.760 Local councils now know they can block hotel use through injunctions.

00:27:08.800 Communities will not tolerate being treated as dumping grounds, nor should they.

00:27:13.740 The public backlash is only going to grow, and every new hotel scheme risks more protests,

00:27:19.020 more policing costs, and more division.

00:27:21.060 As we have made abundantly clear in Great Yarmouth, illegal migrants are not welcome. 0.78

00:27:26.300 Hotels were never a sustainable solution.

00:27:28.380 They are unsafe, unsuited to long-term accommodation, and cost the taxpayer billions.

00:27:34.080 They have become flashpoints of migrant disorder, hostility, and in some cases, serious criminal 0.71

00:27:38.960 allegations.

00:27:39.860 It is pure chaos.

00:27:41.400 Equally, the idea that we can shift the problem onto HMOs is just as flawed.

00:27:46.360 Packing migrants into residential neighbourhoods evidently only magnifies community tensions,

00:27:51.480 overwhelms local services, and places unacceptable slash unsafe burdens on communities.

00:27:57.480 It has been a total disaster.

00:27:59.980 The only credible way to forward this is, one, end all hotels slash HMO use immediately.

00:28:06.100 Detain all illegal arrivals upon entry and those currently in accommodation slash communities. 1.00

00:28:11.320 Use offshore tented camps, not hotels.

00:28:14.720 Remove swiftly and consistently.

00:28:17.260 Those with no legal right to remain must be deported without delay, either to their home 1.00

00:28:22.620 country or to a safe third country.

00:28:24.700 Restore deterrence.

00:28:26.580 Unless illegal entry results in detention and removal, the boats will keep coming and

00:28:31.440 Britain will remain a magnet to the third world. 1.00

00:28:34.580 In short, detain deport.

00:28:36.640 That is how we stop the boats.

00:28:38.860 So, obviously, Rupert's applying some pressure there, which is great.

00:28:42.880 He obviously done a video, just a minute video explaining about this as well.

00:28:47.060 In the investigations unit, we have gone through and one of our colleagues, Rob, had written to

00:28:56.140 every council in the country urging them to follow Epping's lead, to challenge the home

00:29:01.760 office and send a message as well, and obviously to do what's right for the community.

00:29:06.480 And on top of that, we've done some FOIs to each, to the home office, as well as the Epping District

00:29:15.860 Council, and we're doing this in two phases.

00:29:18.880 We want to try and extract as much information as possible about these injunctions and to apply

00:29:24.100 pressure.

00:29:24.600 So, we've asked for titles, dates, and reference numbers of any ministerial submissions, internal

00:29:31.600 reports, or briefing notes since 2023 to now that refer to injunctions sought by local authorities

00:29:38.700 against the use of hotels for asylum accommodation, including this case of Epping, and any copies of

00:29:45.740 correspondence between the home office and Epping Forest District, so we can have a look and we can see

00:29:51.560 the process. And then we're going to launch phase two, and phase two is to make this nationwide,

00:29:59.780 so to try and extract more, so to go through each and every other council, and who is trying to

00:30:07.520 impose an injunction now, and who is turning a blind eye, because it's now really important,

00:30:13.400 more than ever, to apply a bit of pressure. So that's what we're doing at the minute.

00:30:17.320 Because it's absolutely not a given that every single council will go the route, even if they know

00:30:21.080 it's there, because they're already captured, or whatever.

00:30:24.520 Exactly.

00:30:25.060 So it's important to name them. It's important to name them now, and to say, you are turning a blind

00:30:31.120 eye. We have the means to do this now. We have a way to do this. So are you going to follow Epping,

00:30:39.060 or are you not? Are you going to turn a blind eye? And we have to say it now.

00:30:43.200 That was a very good, strongly worded letter from Prince Rupert. Loved it. Loved it. I loved the

00:30:50.000 offshore thing. Not heard that one before. Love it. I'm going to start saying that.

00:30:55.920 Yeah, some windswept rock just off the south coast. Get a shitty little tent. You can stay 0.98

00:31:02.640 there until you go back to France, or wherever you're from. Yeah, don't make it easy. Absolutely,

00:31:08.120 yeah. They're doing an illegal invasion. We're being invaded here. For God's sake, yeah. That's

00:31:14.800 not too harsh. You'll get some bleeding hearts, won't you? You'll get like the Shami Chakrabarti

00:31:18.860 types. Yeah. Pretend to be outraged. If Zoe Gardner's not crying, we're not deporting them 0.97

00:31:26.120 hard enough. Gwayne Towler clutching his pearls. Oh, we can't do that. No, yeah. No, do that. Yeah,

00:31:32.340 yeah. As a deterrent, if nothing else. Yeah, you're going to end up in a crappy tent on a

00:31:38.860 windswept rock if you try and break into this country illegally. That's not too, that's nowhere

00:31:44.780 near too harsh. It's too good for them, if anything. They're doing something despicable.

00:31:49.680 Yeah, they are. Yeah, I know.

00:31:51.900 For God's sakes.

00:31:52.700 So that's what we're doing at Restore. We're going to apply some more pressure, as of course

00:31:58.680 you guys are doing over at the Lotus Seaters. Everyone has a role to play, right? Everyone

00:32:05.480 needs to obviously, now's not the time to slack. We've got to seize the moment and help as much

00:32:15.940 as possible for communities, you know, across the country.

00:32:20.060 And what's more, I hope that what's happened at Epping and what the community has been able

00:32:25.740 to achieve together, obviously with the help of the legal aspect of it, will inspire, of

00:32:31.820 course, other local communities as well, right? It'll remind them that, no, there is reasons

00:32:36.020 to hope. There is reasons to think that you can change things, right? You can slowly start

00:32:41.160 biking, fighting back on a local level in order to make your communities safer and obviously

00:32:47.980 get these hotels closed down where everyone's plaguing you.

00:32:51.820 Things do happen. Don't be completely demoralised. No blackpilling. No dooming.

00:32:58.800 They want you demoralised.

00:33:00.120 Right, exactly, yeah. They want you to think that you can never, ever do anything. Your only

00:33:04.940 option is to roll over and be quiet and go into the darkness. No, you don't have to be

00:33:11.140 have to do that. No, you can stand up. You've got a voice. You've got some feet. You can

00:33:15.200 make a placard. You can do something. You can send letters. You can vote for Rupert Lowe

00:33:21.320 if you live in Yarmouth. Great Yarmouth.

00:33:24.600 Well, that's it. That's my segment.

00:33:26.500 All right. Wonderful.

00:33:27.460 Thank you.

00:33:28.140 I'll go through some of these rumble rants. We've got Logan17pines says, you and I know

00:33:33.900 the second they admit to our concerns, the whole thing comes crashing down and that scares

00:33:38.880 the hell out of them. Yeah, yeah, of course it does. That's a random name, says, Lewis,

00:33:44.120 when Nigel told you that you should go out more, what he meant was that you should go

00:33:49.700 outside so that his mate Zia could house some of his migrants at yours. I've got Dwight 1.00

00:33:57.940 Power.

00:33:58.400 He's so diplomatic.

00:34:00.480 He's like, no, I'm sure that's not what he meant at all.

00:34:02.860 No, no, not in that voice.

00:34:07.020 Don't know what that voice was, to be honest with you. I'll pack it in.

00:34:12.240 Dwight Power says, in my opinion, the demos on the usual planned route in London are a

00:34:17.460 waste of time. They're just an adult playpen for people to blow off steam for a few hours.

00:34:23.480 Widespread localised protests are far more useful.

00:34:26.720 Well, it all has its place, but I largely agree with you, Dwight. Yeah, I do.

00:34:33.460 All right, over to you, Bo. What's happening with O'Donnell?

00:34:35.740 Am I going second today, is it?

00:34:37.200 Yeah.

00:34:38.000 All righty, then.

00:34:39.340 Have a mouse.

00:34:40.180 Thank you very much.

00:34:43.920 All right, so let's find my first thing.

00:34:49.540 Oh, no.

00:34:51.580 Oh, I don't like it.

00:34:52.460 Oh, gosh.

00:34:53.340 Is that our first? 0.84

00:34:56.000 Gross. 0.85

00:34:56.500 Okay.

00:34:57.760 So, the Donald and the US federal government is actually doing stuff.

00:35:05.220 Wow.

00:35:05.780 Imagine that.

00:35:06.340 Imagine your government actually working in your interest.

00:35:11.480 We can barely imagine such a thing, can we?

00:35:14.100 Nope.

00:35:14.360 Even being completely indifferent and neutral, but no, actively, proactively attempting to

00:35:19.840 do stuff.

00:35:20.460 So, there was a lot of promises from the Trump campaign this time around to secure the borders,

00:35:25.780 the southern border, largely, but not actually just the southern border, but to secure the

00:35:30.120 border and to have mass deportations.

00:35:33.520 Steve Bannon was great on this.

00:35:35.480 I'm a Bannon fan.

00:35:37.220 Don't know about you, chaps. 1.00

00:35:38.460 Bannon.

00:35:38.660 I like Bannon.

00:35:39.220 Yeah, he's great.

00:35:41.020 I like Bannon.

00:35:41.900 Yeah.

00:35:42.100 I mean, he's so MAGA.

00:35:45.500 He's so America first. 0.77

00:35:47.420 If you're not actually American, sometimes it can be a bit like, oh, all right, dial it

00:35:51.700 down a bit.

00:35:52.940 But no, where I'm for them, right?

00:35:56.120 I think I said this yesterday.

00:35:57.800 I'm for American nationalism in America.

00:36:02.640 I'm for English nationalism in England.

00:36:05.120 I'm for Indian nationalism in India.

00:36:06.580 So, he's just great.

00:36:08.740 It's great to see.

00:36:09.360 I'm for English nationalism in France.

00:36:12.140 Yeah.

00:36:12.780 Yeah.

00:36:13.080 In the old Plantagenet, in the old Angevin.

00:36:16.180 Indeed.

00:36:16.700 Yeah.

00:36:16.960 We still own Gascony, let's be honest.

00:36:20.100 And Normandy.

00:36:21.080 That's ours.

00:36:21.580 Picardy and Normandy.

00:36:22.420 It should really be English.

00:36:23.740 Anyway.

00:36:24.200 Anyway.

00:36:24.660 Joking.

00:36:25.200 Joking.

00:36:26.800 Yeah.

00:36:27.020 So, Bannon's great on it.

00:36:28.000 If anyone knows, they know.

00:36:29.780 But he's like, he always bangs the drum on it pretty hard.

00:36:33.900 Like, even when it seems like Trump's focus has moved to something else.

00:36:41.740 He's the one to try and draw it back.

00:36:43.400 Like, when there was, like, things about, like, the Iran thing and bombing.

00:36:47.920 Oh, yes.

00:36:48.620 Like, he was, like, the things Bannon was saying was like, well, you know, I thought the first

00:36:53.500 thing was to deport millions of people.

00:36:56.740 And explicitly saying that as well.

00:36:58.080 Not beating around the bush.

00:36:59.660 Not dog whistling or anything.

00:37:01.040 Just saying millions of people are here illegally and they need to be forcibly deported. 0.97

00:37:06.240 So, anyway.

00:37:07.980 Trump is, some say Trump's not doing enough.

00:37:11.260 That is an argument.

00:37:13.680 I mean, I think Bannon would probably say something like that.

00:37:16.500 Sure.

00:37:17.060 Yeah.

00:37:17.120 If he was pushed.

00:37:17.760 I agree with that.

00:37:18.800 It's not quick enough.

00:37:19.460 It's not hard enough.

00:37:20.320 But, anyway.

00:37:20.960 At least he's doing some stuff.

00:37:22.100 So, in the news today, talking about the US striking deals with Honduras and Uganda.

00:37:30.580 Of all places.

00:37:31.060 So, it seems like the Trump administration, as any good government should, that find

00:37:35.360 themselves swamped with millions of illegals, trying to make deals with third-party countries

00:37:41.340 where we can send them there.

00:37:43.940 Well, in the case of Honduras, I'm sure many of the illegals have come from there anyway. 0.63

00:37:47.580 Right, yeah.

00:37:48.260 Oh, absolutely, yeah.

00:37:49.920 Yeah, yeah.

00:37:50.480 So, let's read a little bit of this.

00:37:51.500 The US has reached bilateral deportation agreement with Honduras and Uganda as part of

00:37:55.980 its crackdown on illegal immigration, according to documents obtained by the BBC's US partner

00:38:00.180 CBS.

00:38:01.040 Uganda has agreed to take an unclear number of African and Asian migrants who have claimed

00:38:05.780 asylum on the US-Mexico border, while Honduras will receive several hundred deported people

00:38:10.700 from Spanish-speaking countries, CBS reports.

00:38:13.360 Well, that's the first thing to say, is that when you actually drill down into these things,

00:38:17.280 very often the numbers are actually really tiny.

00:38:20.820 Like, or they just won't say how many, you know?

00:38:26.160 Like the deal that Keir Starmer was supposed to have struck with France the other week,

00:38:31.060 that we'll send them straight back on boats, but we won't say how many.

00:38:35.720 So, in other words, you're probably not going to do it at all, is that what you're saying?

00:38:37.920 Okay.

00:38:38.800 Okay.

00:38:39.440 But then, when they do sometimes talk about numbers, it's tiny numbers.

00:38:42.820 Yeah.

00:38:43.140 It'll be tiny numbers, like there, Honduras will receive several hundred.

00:38:46.700 They need to get rid of millions. 0.69

00:38:49.500 Yeah, it's nothing.

00:38:50.480 So, it's a drop in the ocean.

00:38:52.120 It's window dressing.

00:38:53.680 But it's a headline.

00:38:54.720 At best.

00:38:54.940 To make them look like...

00:38:56.080 Right, it's a bit of red meat.

00:38:57.060 Something's doing.

00:38:57.640 That's why some people, like the hardline MAGA crew, the Bannons of this world, they 0.99

00:39:03.240 will say, come on, dude.

00:39:04.980 Like, that's, it's better than nothing, just about, but it's not good enough.

00:39:10.440 It's not going to cut it.

00:39:11.300 It's not going to cut it.

00:39:12.220 No.

00:39:12.860 Right?

00:39:13.080 And so, anyway, that's often what happens, if I read a bit more.

00:39:17.060 The movie's part of an attempt by Donald Trump's administration to get more countries to accept

00:39:22.120 deported migrants who are not their own citizens.

00:39:26.500 Human rights campaigners have condemned the policy, saying migrants face the risk of being

00:39:30.860 sent to countries where they could be harmed.

00:39:33.880 That's a classic thing.

00:39:34.800 They've always said, they've always said this.

00:39:36.660 We can't possibly deport, you know, like maybe convicted rapists back to Pakistan, because 0.88

00:39:43.620 they've got, or Nigeria or something, because in those, or Saudi Arabia, those countries

00:39:48.000 have got poor human rights records, and these people may well face severe corporal punishment

00:39:55.700 or capital punishment there. 0.98

00:39:58.320 Not our problem.

00:40:00.280 Guys shouldn't have done these awful crimes in the first place then.

00:40:04.040 Yeah, and this is what Bukele was saying, wasn't it, when he was trying to clean up El 1.00

00:40:07.700 South there.

00:40:08.200 It's like the human rights lawyers always put more emphasis on the human rights of the 1.00

00:40:12.240 worst scum in the earth. 0.99

00:40:13.500 Right. 1.00

00:40:13.960 Than the victims.

00:40:14.960 Yeah.

00:40:15.160 Or than just the people trying to go about their daily lives.

00:40:18.020 Oh, absolutely.

00:40:18.520 Every time.

00:40:19.140 What an inverted way to look at things.

00:40:23.060 What a perverted morality that is.

00:40:28.200 Okay, let's read a little bit more of this.

00:40:32.160 Honduras agreed to receive migrants over two years, included families travelling with children,

00:40:37.380 but documents suggest it could decide to accept more.

00:40:41.300 Both deals are part of the Trump administration's border push for deportation agreements with countries

00:40:45.520 on several continents, including those with controversial human rights records.

00:40:50.200 Right.

00:40:50.840 So it seems like the Donald is not as concerned with that as many have been before.

00:41:01.620 The other thing as well is that, as to what you were saying, Beau, about just the scale

00:41:06.660 of deportations necessary.

00:41:08.300 If this isn't, especially with the midterms, you know, once the midterms come up, and if

00:41:15.660 the Republicans lose power, you know, throughout several branches of government, you know, in

00:41:20.800 the Senate or whatever, whatever, then, and then, you know, what's more, depending on what

00:41:26.120 happens, obviously, in the upcoming election in 2028, if the Democrats win again, and all

00:41:33.020 of this is just, and you've still left in 8 million illegal immigrants, right?

00:41:38.300 Then, you haven't changed anything, really.

00:41:41.140 It has to be a remarkable number.

00:41:43.920 Yeah.

00:41:44.120 Otherwise, the original plan that Elon kept banging on about, you know, like, they're going

00:41:49.380 to give them all voting rights, and you're never going to have a Republican victory ever

00:41:53.180 again, that plan can still go ahead.

00:41:55.600 It's still on, right?

00:41:57.360 And they'll still want to do it.

00:41:58.740 There's lots of new polls.

00:41:59.420 Right?

00:41:59.940 There's so many.

00:42:00.800 The Democrats aren't going to change their ways in the next four years, are they?

00:42:05.620 No, absolutely.

00:42:06.000 All of that is still on the table, unless he just gets them all out.

00:42:10.760 That's why I say I'm with, like, the Bannons of this world. 1.00

00:42:13.080 It's got to be millions, and it's got to be yesterday.

00:42:16.640 Yeah.

00:42:17.320 No more fannying about.

00:42:20.300 Let's get this thing done, you know.

00:42:23.640 Yeah, no, absolutely.

00:42:25.180 Because already, like, the midterms are looming on the horizon.

00:42:29.240 There's a reason why people talk about the first hundred days of government.

00:42:31.700 Of course, that's an arbitrary thing.

00:42:33.960 But nonetheless, there's a reason for that, because the president nearly always is at his

00:42:39.620 most powerful in the first half of the term, i.e. before the midterms.

00:42:46.120 And then towards the second half of that first half, it's all midterm fever.

00:42:52.480 People are looking ahead to that.

00:42:53.620 So it's the first bit of your presidency where you're most powerful, assuming that you've

00:42:59.600 even got Congress and or the Senate with you at all.

00:43:01.960 But Trump does enjoy that, doesn't he?

00:43:03.560 So, yeah, already Trump's ability to sort of wield authority with as few checks and balances

00:43:17.300 on it as possible will already be deteriorating.

00:43:21.000 So we'll see, I mean, another line here.

00:43:22.660 Last week, the U.S. State Department announced it has signed a safe third country agreement

00:43:27.840 with Paraguay, later further down, it says, the White House has also been actively courting

00:43:33.760 several African nations with Rwanda saying earlier this month, it will take up to, ready,

00:43:44.060 an astounding number of up to 250 migrants.

00:43:47.660 From the U.S.?

00:43:48.840 That's nothing.

00:43:50.120 So nothing.

00:43:50.860 So nothing.

00:43:51.960 So it's barely a token gesture.

00:43:55.840 I can only hope the American negotiation was better than ours and that Rwanda didn't 1.00

00:44:00.240 say, oh, and in exchange, you take 250 of our labourers.

00:44:04.820 Well, our one was always going to be an exchange programme with Rwanda, wasn't it?

00:44:08.160 It was always going to be, we'll swap an Albanian with a Rwandan or whatever it was going to 1.00

00:44:12.620 be, whatever nonsense.

00:44:13.480 In the meantime, have millions and millions of pounds.

00:44:17.560 And also now, don't worry about it at all.

00:44:20.880 Forget it.

00:44:21.180 Forget the whole thing.

00:44:22.200 And you can keep all that money we gave you as well.

00:44:24.380 Crazy, craziness.

00:44:25.860 Talk about the art of the deal.

00:44:28.820 The leader of Rwanda.

00:44:31.100 Yeah.

00:44:32.000 Out, out, shaft, and Trump on the art of the deal.

00:44:34.920 Oh, my gosh.

00:44:38.820 Yeah, Rwanda says.

00:44:39.680 250.

00:44:41.300 Wow.

00:44:43.380 Bannon will be happy with that.

00:44:45.300 Yeah.

00:44:46.180 Not.

00:44:47.860 250.

00:44:48.380 I know. 0.69

00:44:49.340 It's ridiculous, isn't it? 0.99

00:44:50.560 It's absolutely ridiculous. 0.98

00:44:53.380 Yeah, but at least it seems like the Trump administration is trying to sort of make deals 0.85

00:44:58.400 to get this done, which is more than we do, right?

00:45:00.300 That's true.

00:45:00.780 It's more than we do.

00:45:02.040 It's like the half-hearted attempt, and it doesn't really ever come to anything.

00:45:06.160 Yeah, there's more here just actually from the BBC.

00:45:08.320 It's interesting, actually, the way the BBC frames a lot of this stuff.

00:45:12.440 Because they, like, ask questions like, what's in it for the third world country?

00:45:21.080 Like, is it in their interest?

00:45:26.300 Where is it?

00:45:27.180 Well.

00:45:27.580 Yeah, what's in it for the host countries?

00:45:29.720 Like.

00:45:30.640 What?

00:45:31.080 Great.

00:45:31.860 Can they ask that about our country?

00:45:33.880 Right.

00:45:35.020 Oh, my God.

00:45:35.560 Will it make Rwandans less safe if you sent, like, some Mexicans there? 1.00

00:45:40.700 Oh, now you're worried about that.

00:45:43.080 Oh, okay.

00:45:44.080 All right.

00:45:44.760 Interesting, isn't it?

00:45:45.720 Like.

00:45:45.960 Got it.

00:45:46.220 The way that that's.

00:45:48.380 Oh, man.

00:45:49.700 There's a lot wrong with that.

00:45:51.980 Nigeria just saying, nope. 1.00

00:45:54.020 Yeah, enough problems.

00:45:54.620 Nigeria.

00:45:55.400 Wow.

00:45:55.740 I mean, it's a fair point.

00:45:57.160 He's not wrong. 0.53

00:45:57.540 I actually bet that.

00:45:59.300 I mean, for anyone listening, it's just the headline says,

00:46:00.960 Nigeria has, quote, enough problems, quote, and can't take deportees from US.

00:46:05.860 I mean.

00:46:07.860 Do you blame?

00:46:08.820 Do you blame them?

00:46:10.000 No, no, no.

00:46:10.760 No, like, that's the same.

00:46:12.620 That's the rhetoric we want.

00:46:14.580 Sounds like.

00:46:15.000 That's literally the rhetoric we want.

00:46:17.040 Nigeria first rhetoric there.

00:46:19.700 From the leader of Nigeria.

00:46:20.680 It's like how Israel just wants to clear out the Gaza Strip and is trying to get them sent 0.99

00:46:24.940 anywhere they can, from Indonesia to South Sudan to England, anywhere they can.

00:46:30.960 And a lot of countries just saying, well, any country in its right mind, just saying,

00:46:35.220 nope, thank you.

00:46:37.200 Yeah, that's a hard pass from us.

00:46:38.860 Thank you very much.

00:46:39.360 Why would any country that actually worked, supposed to work in the interest of its own

00:46:45.240 people, except people that, by definition, are criminals, if they've tried to cross international

00:46:52.280 borders without a passport and without doing it correctly, why would any country take any 1.00

00:46:58.480 of them on the face of it at all?

00:47:00.340 Why would you?

00:47:01.340 No, no.

00:47:01.860 It should be a hard no.

00:47:03.160 So, always.

00:47:05.580 But there you go.

00:47:06.340 What other thing have I got here?

00:47:09.120 Yeah, just Rwanda says it's in talks.

00:47:14.220 See how many millions they can wring out of whoever it would be, the State Department or

00:47:20.180 something.

00:47:20.820 Gosh.

00:47:21.240 Do you know what's funny?

00:47:21.860 This isn't off topic, but, you know, when you talk about diplomacy, a lot of it is just

00:47:27.480 socials now.

00:47:28.620 Like, it's just having a social.

00:47:29.560 I mean, you look at the guy, Finland, who's been at the table about Ukraine with Trump and

00:47:35.540 they've just been going out to golf together.

00:47:37.200 And then suddenly the Prime Minister or President or whatever of Finland is sitting at the table

00:47:42.120 and is actually, you know, trying to help and doing as best they can.

00:47:47.400 It's just a social now.

00:47:49.120 That's all it is.

00:47:50.120 It is the way the world does work, though.

00:47:53.320 Yeah.

00:47:54.980 Ultimately, it boils down to people sitting down, having lunch with each other.

00:47:59.440 Playing golf.

00:48:01.060 Sitting down one way or another.

00:48:02.480 A group of powerful men and occasionally a few women sitting down, having conversations.

00:48:06.620 That's how the entire world works.

00:48:08.320 Yeah.

00:48:08.840 Put the world to rights.

00:48:10.180 Yeah.

00:48:10.760 There's a reason why it's a cliche that like CEOs or even presidents and prime ministers

00:48:16.260 go out and play golf.

00:48:17.900 Yeah.

00:48:18.240 That's how things, that is how it works.

00:48:20.900 Yeah.

00:48:21.120 So.

00:48:22.120 You're so right.

00:48:23.020 Yeah.

00:48:23.260 It's interesting.

00:48:24.500 I, because you, like for me, diplomacy, you know, it's all just people in suits sitting

00:48:29.980 around a table.

00:48:31.060 No.

00:48:31.540 And then everyone's shouting over each other and hang on a minute.

00:48:33.980 No.

00:48:34.260 Well, order, order, you know, all of that nonsense.

00:48:37.240 You think of it like that, but it's actually so right.

00:48:40.080 It actually boils down to a golf game or like taking someone out to lunch and just saying,

00:48:46.680 come on, man, we've got to deport people, man. 0.77

00:48:49.360 Come on.

00:48:50.040 We've got to, we just, look, have that coffee.

00:48:52.180 We're going to deport people.

00:48:53.000 I don't know who said it, but it's very true. 0.97

00:48:55.080 I'm going to drink your coffee.

00:48:56.100 You'd be like that going, deport, come on.

00:48:58.540 When people talk about conspiracy theories or certain groups, you know, collude together.

00:49:06.640 Like some big banks, like Bank of America and JP Morgan or whatever.

00:49:11.020 Oh, they're at Builder.

00:49:11.700 Like, and yeah, like they collude together.

00:49:14.160 Yeah.

00:49:14.300 So it's like you don't necessarily have to believe in conspiracy theories, but lunches

00:49:18.840 between powerful men, that's real.

00:49:21.900 That's real.

00:49:22.640 That happens.

00:49:23.200 Yeah, it does happen.

00:49:24.160 It's pretty normal.

00:49:24.980 They can go and have a round of golf together.

00:49:26.840 That's not illegal.

00:49:27.600 And they may or may not strike some sort of deal that's off the record, essentially.

00:49:33.040 Yeah.

00:49:33.240 Well, completely off the record.

00:49:34.560 Yeah.

00:49:34.940 Yeah.

00:49:35.680 You call that a conspiracy theory if you want to.

00:49:38.540 But that is how it works very often.

00:49:42.140 Okay.

00:49:42.460 So Trump at least attempting to do something with their illegal migration problem.

00:49:49.020 Meanwhile.

00:49:49.980 Oh, no.

00:49:51.440 Don't black pill us. 1.00

00:49:52.740 Don't black pill us. 1.00

00:49:54.340 Cue the curb your enthusiasm theme on a kazoo.

00:49:57.600 Oh, no.

00:49:59.060 I've productive meat.

00:49:59.860 Well.

00:50:00.920 That's a great experience.

00:50:01.900 Well, Deputy Prime Minister Angela Rayner meets with Pakistani people to, well, for no good 1.00

00:50:13.780 reason.

00:50:14.240 Right.

00:50:14.740 For no good reason.

00:50:15.500 There's no question of us striking a big deal to deporting the millions of Pakistanis in 1.00

00:50:21.940 this country that really shouldn't be here.

00:50:23.580 There's no question of that.

00:50:24.560 The one thing you'd actually want to be having a discussion with the Deputy Prime Minister

00:50:29.260 of Pakistan over. 0.69

00:50:30.200 Or even the actual convicted sex criminals or paedophiles that are of Pakistani origin that 0.95

00:50:38.620 are here.

00:50:39.580 There's no talk of that.

00:50:41.140 There's no question of her sort of playing hardball with the powers that be in Pakistan

00:50:45.360 over that or striking some sort of deal like that.

00:50:48.260 Wouldn't it have been mentioned?

00:50:50.400 No, no, no.

00:50:50.980 Nothing like that.

00:50:54.200 So weak.

00:50:54.700 Again, it boils down to this thing.

00:50:56.480 Does your government work in the interests of the people?

00:51:01.380 How expensive was the lunch?

00:51:03.720 Yeah.

00:51:04.040 Yeah.

00:51:04.240 No, she's just fawning, fawning over them, like weakness. 1.00

00:51:09.640 It's pure political weakness, isn't it?

00:51:12.320 It's like a lack of any backbone whatsoever, any moral compass even.

00:51:19.420 If we had a good, strong government, we'd be berating the Pakistani government for refusing 0.94

00:51:25.380 to take back their criminals.

00:51:27.080 You'd be sanctioning.

00:51:27.940 If it were me, I'd be like, you're taking them back.

00:51:29.820 Well, we'll start with closing your embassy.

00:51:31.860 We'll start there, day one.

00:51:33.540 How about that?

00:51:34.400 And then we'll see what happens.

00:51:35.720 And then who knows what?

00:51:39.860 Go all Lenny, the governor, McLean on them.

00:51:42.440 We'll see what happens, right?

00:51:44.840 But no, it's nothing like that.

00:51:46.900 It's just, oh, look, can we fall over?

00:51:51.460 That's what it is, isn't it?

00:51:52.880 It's a whole shed load of nothing, nothing.

00:51:58.280 Yeah, I mean, just like, yeah.

00:52:00.920 Yeah, you can see this tweet if you're watching the video of this.

00:52:05.220 Yeah, it's like she's in hock to them. 0.64

00:52:08.780 She needs to placate the Muslim community in her own constituency, right? 0.99

00:52:15.900 Her constituency is in Manchester, the greater Manchester area, a giant Muslim community,

00:52:22.340 Pakistani, I believe.

00:52:23.640 So she can't play hardball with it, otherwise she'll lose her seat. 1.00

00:52:29.240 I mean, her majority is just shy of 7,000.

00:52:34.100 Right.

00:52:35.140 Yeah.

00:52:35.400 6,700.

00:52:36.700 Can easily tip half turnout.

00:52:39.040 So she could quite easily lose her seat next time if she sort of says or does anything

00:52:45.440 that would anger Pakistanis in Manchester.

00:52:48.860 Which isn't hard.

00:52:49.780 In Manchester, right.

00:52:51.440 So no wonder, like, this is the optics.

00:52:55.440 Look, do you mind if I just...

00:52:58.640 Horrible, isn't it?

00:53:02.240 It's horrible to see a government which is, like, captured by foreigners. 1.00

00:53:08.480 Completely captured. 0.93

00:53:09.820 You know, like, it's the whole traitorous Fabian thing.

00:53:13.500 She's not worried about...

00:53:15.360 Angela Rayner's not worried about our entire government.

00:53:17.780 She's not worried about putting our women and children in danger.

00:53:23.540 A bit off topic.

00:53:24.880 I keep...

00:53:25.760 This is going to be really bad.

00:53:27.560 Maybe I should ask this off air.

00:53:28.940 But I keep seeing Fabian around.

00:53:32.100 I'm not...

00:53:32.900 I've not...

00:53:33.760 I don't know what it exactly is, is it?

00:53:35.620 Oh, look into it.

00:53:36.560 Look into it.

00:53:37.060 Yeah, the Fabian Society.

00:53:38.660 Okay.

00:53:39.780 I keep seeing it, but I've not had the moment to properly look in.

00:53:43.780 Okay, so I haven't got time here.

00:53:46.200 But I'll just say...

00:53:47.060 I'll just say it's a very deep rabbit hole.

00:53:49.760 Okay.

00:53:50.220 It's sort of almost on the sort of Mason's level rabbit hole.

00:53:54.600 Okay.

00:53:55.000 I'll take a day off.

00:53:56.360 And, well, the logo is a wolf in sheep's clothing with a red flag.

00:54:03.400 That sort of says it all in a nutshell.

00:54:07.260 Okay.

00:54:08.120 It's just a general idea that we can't be out and out communists in somewhere like Britain.

00:54:12.940 We can't really be full-blown, card-carrying Stalinists or Maoists or lovers of Pol Pot.

00:54:20.180 That won't really work very well.

00:54:21.900 Right.

00:54:22.260 But what we can do is join this society and sort of pretend we're...

00:54:27.060 Oh, a wolf in sheep's clothing.

00:54:28.660 We can sort of pretend that we're for social democracy.

00:54:31.500 Interesting.

00:54:31.800 Just slowly introducing it into society.

00:54:34.280 I keep seeing it.

00:54:35.000 Boom.

00:54:35.280 60 years later, they all control everything.

00:54:37.840 Right.

00:54:38.360 Okay.

00:54:39.120 I'll look into it.

00:54:40.100 I keep seeing...

00:54:41.700 The march for you, the institutions via the Fabian Society.

00:54:44.460 Right.

00:54:44.800 Okay.

00:54:45.240 I'll look into it.

00:54:45.940 I've never heard of it before.

00:54:46.800 Well, I'd never heard of it before.

00:54:48.020 Then people started, well, posting the flag.

00:54:50.140 And I was like, I don't know what that is, but I keep seeing it.

00:54:52.260 And then talking about a lot of Labour MPs or something or, you know, a lot of Labour guys.

00:54:56.700 I could be wrong.

00:54:57.240 Of course.

00:54:57.660 Yeah, yeah.

00:54:58.080 Being part of this particular society.

00:55:00.340 And I thought, what is that exactly?

00:55:02.120 So I might have to take a day off and take a look.

00:55:06.800 All right.

00:55:07.260 Well, I'll teach you all the secret handshakes.

00:55:09.360 Oh, thank you very much.

00:55:10.140 Of the podcast.

00:55:11.160 Oh, thank you very much.

00:55:11.880 It's just that classic thing of by any means necessary.

00:55:16.660 You know, if we have to pretend we're something slightly different than we really are.

00:55:21.040 I mean, the Labour Party, if you go back, there are literally members of the Labour Party that would invite,

00:55:26.620 someone like Lenin and Trotsky and Stalin over to London.

00:55:30.960 Right.

00:55:31.540 To have a meeting.

00:55:33.320 Golf.

00:55:33.640 Or whatever.

00:55:34.480 Yeah, golf.

00:55:35.460 Right.

00:55:36.980 So, yeah, it's all part of the many pronged attempt for Marxists.

00:55:43.340 Okay.

00:55:43.720 To take control in countries where Marxism on the surface is unpopular.

00:55:48.560 Okay.

00:55:49.800 But, okay, could go on there, but we'll have to.

00:55:52.820 No, no, no, not at all.

00:55:53.840 No, not at all.

00:55:54.340 If we've brought the Fabium Society to anyone's attention who's never heard of it before, brilliant.

00:55:59.040 Maybe we should, maybe, now you've said that, maybe I should do a whole segment on it one day.

00:56:02.680 History of it.

00:56:03.380 Yeah.

00:56:04.420 Sounds good.

00:56:05.880 May I have a mouse?

00:56:07.340 You may do, sir.

00:56:08.300 Thank you.

00:56:09.720 Oh, I don't think I should do the island in the middle of that one.

00:56:11.740 Oh, that's all right.

00:56:12.340 I'll do it doubly.

00:56:14.080 All right.

00:56:14.840 Doubly.

00:56:15.360 Bigly.

00:56:16.600 Bigly.

00:56:17.280 Logan Pine.

00:56:17.800 As I live in California, I'm happy to say that people are leaving with their own free will.

00:56:23.820 It doesn't show up in the numbers.

00:56:25.560 Also, the deportations are meant to be more showy than anything else.

00:56:30.660 We've done this in the 50s before, loudly sent over 100,000 back, and they get the hint.

00:56:36.840 And Engaged Few says, after that meeting, someone should have asked her, yeah, if it needs it. 0.96

00:56:45.580 Funny engaged.

00:56:46.680 All right, then.

00:56:47.900 Well, ladies and gentlemen, this Saturday, it is going to be the Notting Hill Carnival in London again.

00:56:56.180 We excited, boys?

00:56:58.020 Just had lunch.

00:56:59.960 Just had lunch. 0.62

00:57:01.340 Don't mention something so sickening.

00:57:02.780 Every single year, it comes around, and it feels like everyone just has to brace for impact.

00:57:10.780 It's a horrible debacle, isn't it?

00:57:12.800 Yeah.

00:57:14.040 And positively ghastly, I tell you.

00:57:16.900 Frightful.

00:57:17.620 Yeah.

00:57:19.460 Because every single time, every time it happens, it's stabbings and sexual assaults and murders,

00:57:28.280 and just on and on it goes, and every year you get the same argument trotted out.

00:57:33.540 You know, it's like some people are like, can we please just ban this?

00:57:36.600 Can we please just, you know, and they're like, no, that would be racist to ban Notting Hill Carnival.

00:57:42.000 And on and on it goes.

00:57:44.220 But if you're interested in something that won't stab you, won't sexually assault you,

00:57:49.060 you can buy at Highlander Magazine, because unlike Notting Hill Carnival, this is proper culture.

00:57:57.320 This is sophisticated, intelligent, with wonderful displays, wonderful graphics inside it,

00:58:04.360 and is full of the most sophisticated Western thinkers from the Western, talking about Spengler within it.

00:58:12.140 There's some great stuff in there, so you can get it for £14.99 on the Lotus E2 shop,

00:58:18.180 and it will be significantly more beneficial to you than a trip to Notting Hill Carnival this weekend.

00:58:26.440 Some great writers in there.

00:58:28.040 Dave Green, Professor Ed Dutton, Mr. Cole Benjamin.

00:58:34.120 Morgoth.

00:58:34.820 Morgoth.

00:58:36.000 You want to read whatever Morgoth's got to say pretty much every time.

00:58:39.920 So, there's that Luca Johnson in there I heard as well.

00:58:42.680 Oh, yeah, yeah.

00:58:43.180 Mickey Bird tells me.

00:58:43.900 Yeah, he just writes about Lord of the Rings every opportunity you can get.

00:58:46.980 He's great.

00:58:47.500 Nice.

00:58:47.900 Anyway, let's go over to Notting Hill then.

00:58:50.940 So, this was off the back of last year, and I have to say, police feel unsafe working at the Carnival.

00:58:58.140 What a headline, man.

00:58:59.300 Carnival survey claims.

00:59:01.560 Says, as part of the survey, officers who have worked at the event over the last ten years

00:59:06.220 described it as, quote, hell and a war zone.

00:59:11.100 Oh, my gosh.

00:59:11.680 Yeah.

00:59:11.920 So, there's a thing I was joking at the beginning, just saying, like, it's frightful.

00:59:16.420 But that's not just, like, hyperbole for the sake of it.

00:59:19.040 It has actually become, without fail, dangerous.

00:59:24.280 Like, without fail, there's quite violent crime occurs, if not actual killings, right?

00:59:29.580 So, it's not just, like, oh, it's something that I find a bit distasteful.

00:59:32.780 No, there were two murders last year.

00:59:34.140 Right.

00:59:34.580 Yeah.

00:59:34.860 Yeah.

00:59:35.340 And 60, 70 police officers injured.

00:59:39.500 That's massive.

00:59:40.640 That's massive.

00:59:41.420 That's massive.

00:59:42.900 That's crazy. 0.99

00:59:43.860 Yeah, it's ridiculous. 0.99

00:59:45.020 It's absolutely ridiculous. 0.96

00:59:46.040 It never used to be like that. 0.86

00:59:47.280 No, well, you said, you were saying before we went, you went, didn't you?

00:59:50.420 I've been a couple of times in my life.

00:59:51.420 Yeah.

00:59:51.600 Yeah, yeah.

00:59:51.960 Being a Londoner.

00:59:53.660 Yeah.

00:59:53.980 It's sort of something in the summer.

00:59:55.960 Back in the day.

00:59:56.700 I went, it must have been, like, 1998 or 1999, something like that, or 2001, something like

01:00:02.500 that.

01:00:02.700 I went.

01:00:03.520 And it was all right.

01:00:05.980 You didn't feel particularly unsafe.

01:00:08.160 There was no violent crime that year.

01:00:11.620 A few floats went by.

01:00:14.660 It was not really my thing, but it was an all right afternoon.

01:00:18.160 It was something.

01:00:18.980 It was worth going to see.

01:00:21.660 But that's not what it's like now.

01:00:23.340 No, not at all.

01:00:24.040 It's transformed into something, well, bouldering on monstrous, isn't it?

01:00:30.400 Again, it's not exaggerating.

01:00:31.840 No.

01:00:31.960 60 cops injured.

01:00:33.360 What?

01:00:33.940 Well, when you get the BBC running a headline saying police feel unsafe working at a particular

01:00:40.340 event, a lot of alarm bells there.

01:00:43.200 And the fact that they're calling it a war zone, I mean, that's not hyperbole, surely.

01:00:51.320 If police officers are calling it a war zone, that's a bit worrying.

01:00:56.340 Well, if the police can't hack it, the only other thing to do is, one, ban it outright,

01:01:00.220 or two, it's got to be policed by soldiers then.

01:01:04.220 Like, what else?

01:01:06.300 I'm not joking.

01:01:07.320 No, I know you're not.

01:01:08.760 We've got to actually put in an infantry division to protect people on the streets of Notting Hill

01:01:15.280 in the middle of London because there's a carnival.

01:01:19.420 Yeah, that's worrying.

01:01:21.500 It's mad.

01:01:22.680 It said, in a survey of 486 officers, 89% said they did not feel safe, and 29% said

01:01:32.900 that they've been assaulted while policing the event.

01:01:35.960 Right. 0.94

01:01:36.880 Ridiculous numbers. 0.99

01:01:38.420 Absolutely ridiculous numbers. 0.99

01:01:40.380 And so it's obviously become something of a meme.

01:01:44.700 It's like, the right, far right are trying to malign the wonderful Notting Hill Carnival.

01:01:49.240 I went there last year and I witnessed absolutely no trouble.

01:01:52.720 I captured this joyous scene of a traditional ritual to celebrate the summer.

01:01:56.980 It really shows how welcoming and inclusive the carnival actually is.

01:02:00.860 I mean, that's quite a photo.

01:02:02.720 And for anyone listening to this on audio only, it's an image of a man wielding a machete.

01:02:08.940 About to attack someone.

01:02:10.220 Yeah.

01:02:10.720 Allegedly.

01:02:11.420 In the middle of trying to slice someone up.

01:02:14.660 In the middle of Haiti, I assume.

01:02:17.440 No, Notting Hill.

01:02:18.260 No.

01:02:19.240 Yeah.

01:02:19.760 Which the rest of the year round is actually, or used to be anyway, quite a nice neighbourhood.

01:02:24.720 Quite rich.

01:02:25.620 It's not any more.

01:02:26.280 Before my time.

01:02:27.420 Yeah.

01:02:28.460 And the Sanford police here.

01:02:29.800 Last few days to purchase a knife before Notting Hill Carnival at the weekend.

01:02:33.740 Better be prepared and have too many than be caught lacking.

01:02:36.620 Machetes out.

01:02:37.640 Swords are in. 0.64

01:02:38.680 Obviously said with deep, deep satire.

01:02:40.820 That is funny.

01:02:42.540 If it wasn't such a serious thing, people may well lose their lives.

01:02:46.260 People certainly have to go to hospital for knife wounds.

01:02:49.600 Well.

01:02:49.720 Sorry, go on.

01:02:52.240 No, no.

01:02:52.740 Well, here's just an example from last year.

01:02:55.820 Mang jailed for murder of Cher Maximum in front of daughter at Notting Hill Carnival.

01:03:01.900 Barbaric.

01:03:03.840 Just genuinely monstrous.

01:03:05.940 Another one to hear.

01:03:06.640 And so this year, back in a few months ago, there was some genuine concerns.

01:03:13.440 I wish they'd have gone the other way, but about whether or not the Carnival will go ahead this year.

01:03:19.140 Because as you can see here, well, it is going to go ahead, but it is going to need an extra £1 million of funding for security reasons.

01:03:27.520 Is that Sadiq doing that?

01:03:29.760 Is that Khan doing that?

01:03:31.380 Well, it's the organisers.

01:03:33.100 It's because you want to, that is talk is one of the, well, just put it directly under the jurisdiction of City Hall.

01:03:41.240 Or some of the people are saying, well, just there's too many people there now.

01:03:45.260 We can't have it in Notting Hill anymore.

01:03:47.040 Move it over to Hyde Park because this is another thing that they're concerned about because it's not ticketed.

01:03:52.860 They're scared of like a Hillsborough style event where everyone's just going to get.

01:03:56.940 That's a genuine concern.

01:03:58.140 I've been a couple of times.

01:03:59.000 The second time I went, it was, yeah, you were packed in like it was the terraces.

01:04:02.240 It would take you ages to go just a few yards down the street because you're pushing through a very, very dense crowd.

01:04:08.260 Yeah, there could well be a crushing incident at some point.

01:04:11.320 But it's just interesting though, isn't it?

01:04:12.720 You don't need this much security for, let's say, Chinese New Year celebration.

01:04:16.960 No.

01:04:17.660 Or sort of May Day celebration.

01:04:20.040 Well, I remember being out in London.

01:04:22.220 What's different about this?

01:04:23.040 Yeah, for the King's coronation.

01:04:24.520 And we were all just sat there on the green.

01:04:28.060 I was chatting to some policemen, actually.

01:04:29.640 They didn't seem very stressed.

01:04:31.280 They didn't seem like they were, you know, surveying us at all times in case we did something disreputable or rowdy.

01:04:38.100 They just sort of, you could tell they just intuitively knew it was going to be a quiet shift.

01:04:42.620 Yeah.

01:04:43.060 Looking after all these Englishmen on the green.

01:04:45.260 Yeah.

01:04:45.640 Funny how that works.

01:04:46.400 Were any people stabbed that day?

01:04:47.860 I think there were zero, I believe.

01:04:50.800 Yeah, I don't think so.

01:04:51.920 I don't think so.

01:04:53.160 But all of this is coinciding with an expansion of, as says here, the government are expanding police use of facial recognition vans, right?

01:05:03.180 Which obviously I don't like.

01:05:05.820 I don't like the ever encroaching nature of the surveillance state in our lives.

01:05:11.060 But it's remarkable that this has obviously come at a time where, well, why don't we just use facial recognition cameras at the carnival?

01:05:20.580 Which is what the Met were saying.

01:05:23.220 Well, it'll just make our job a lot easier.

01:05:25.520 There's 7,000 of us to police the event.

01:05:29.040 And there's going to be hundreds of thousands of people there this weekend.

01:05:32.860 So, facial recognition.

01:05:36.040 We need every chance we can get, boys.

01:05:37.980 So they say.

01:05:38.920 But it goes on to say that the Met Commissioner should scrap plans to deploy live facial recognition because the technology is riven with racial bias.

01:05:52.600 Oh, right.

01:05:53.280 Yeah.

01:05:53.680 And subject to a legal challenge.

01:05:56.040 Eleven civil liberty and anti-racist groups have demanded.

01:06:00.440 And so they've written a letter to Sir Mark Rowley basically saying, look, you can't expect facial recognition to be used at this place where it's like, what do you think we all are, criminals?

01:06:14.080 You think we're wrong-uns?

01:06:15.340 You think we're going to be up to no good? 0.96

01:06:16.940 Well, something that might need to be said for people that are watching this that aren't from Great Britain, because a lot of our audience isn't, this carnival is largely for black people. 0.94

01:06:28.260 It celebrates their...

01:06:29.740 Caribbean.

01:06:30.600 Caribbean.

01:06:31.340 Yeah.

01:06:31.720 It celebrates their heritage and various things.

01:06:35.800 So that's the elephant in the room, which we haven't explicitly said, but that is the case.

01:06:41.240 It is part of their culture.

01:06:43.460 Right.

01:06:43.760 Or whatever.

01:06:44.040 So, so, classic is saying, you know, you use CCTV, London's one of the most heavily CCTV places in the whole world, and facial recognition, but not for black or brown people. 1.00

01:06:57.020 That would be racist. 0.88

01:06:59.820 What a crazy double standard.

01:07:01.640 It's just insane, right?

01:07:02.700 You expect them to behave?

01:07:03.340 Yeah, or, yeah, or just don't, just don't, year upon year, engage in sort of crazy levels of violence, where people lose their lives and tens or dozens of police officers are assaulted.

01:07:18.380 Maybe if that weren't the case.

01:07:20.700 Right.

01:07:21.240 But it is.

01:07:21.980 But it is.

01:07:22.680 You can feel how hard up against it the Met are with this.

01:07:26.500 I mean, we're not really supposed to notice any of these patterns, are we?

01:07:29.720 Oh, no, no, no, very frowned upon.

01:07:30.720 Supposed to, not really supposed to notice.

01:07:32.740 Very frowned upon.

01:07:33.540 Any patterns, really.

01:07:35.040 And so the police are having to take every precaution they can get, such as banning dancing for their actual policemen.

01:07:43.120 Banning dancing?

01:07:43.720 Yeah, well, you know, it goes on to say, in a statement on Monday, the Metropolitan Police made it clear,

01:07:48.260 they feel a twerk or rhythmic shake of the hips may distract or slow down the 7,000 officers deployed to the carnival from responding to outbreaks of crime.

01:07:58.920 It's just, like, it's just utter madness.

01:08:01.480 Like, all of this is just mad.

01:08:02.420 It's a mania.

01:08:03.900 Really?

01:08:04.660 Total mania.

01:08:05.620 Go to a carnival with music.

01:08:07.720 Don't dance.

01:08:08.880 No, no, no, you can't do that because it would distract us, the police, that are supposed to be there to protect you from disorder.

01:08:16.120 No, no, no, don't dance, though.

01:08:17.620 What?

01:08:18.120 Well, have you got a license for those steel drummers, sir?

01:08:20.360 Just, it's the meme again, man.

01:08:22.660 Like, I'm just, why is, why is Britain, why is Britain like this?

01:08:27.880 Like, honestly, it really, it upsets me almost, like, because we've turned into such a meme

01:08:33.960 and no wonder the yanks across the pond are taking the mick out of us for it.

01:08:38.680 And I get it.

01:08:39.620 I'd do the same, vice versa.

01:08:42.100 And it's now, have you got a license for that twerk?

01:08:46.880 You must have seen clips, though, where there's, like, a cop standing there.

01:08:50.360 And some woman's twerking up against it. 1.00

01:08:52.640 I have seen that, yeah.

01:08:53.820 And you've just got to sort of stand there.

01:08:55.500 You can't really do or say anything because you'd probably get fired if you did.

01:08:58.040 Yep.

01:08:58.680 So you've just got to accept it.

01:09:00.060 But I just, but the thing is, obviously, I'm against the facial recognition thing in principle for all of it.

01:09:08.120 Because, you know, that would just lead on to something else, way, way more sinister.

01:09:14.540 Tony Blair is sitting there waiting to implement it nationwide.

01:09:19.600 So any excuse to use it is not good.

01:09:24.380 But banning dancing.

01:09:26.900 Yeah, I've not heard that one.

01:09:28.140 At a carnival.

01:09:28.900 At a carnival.

01:09:29.480 Well, obviously, this is banning the dancing for the police, of course.

01:09:33.700 The police aren't allowed to do a jig and look like they're having a good time.

01:09:38.320 Oh, so is it the police?

01:09:39.480 Yeah, it's the police.

01:09:40.620 That's what I'm saying.

01:09:41.800 Sorry.

01:09:43.240 I slightly misunderstood that.

01:09:44.280 I slightly misunderstood that.

01:09:45.740 I'm sorry.

01:09:46.100 Oh, there's me going on a massive rant.

01:09:48.720 But still, you see clips of that, of a policeman or a policewoman doing a bit of twerking.

01:09:53.760 And it is like an embarrassment.

01:09:55.080 You see the police on Pride Parade actually getting involved with the...

01:09:59.100 Well, but this is really the thing that I wanted to hark on about this is the fact that...

01:10:05.100 So they're banning the police from, you know, like, if the music's on, don't tap your foot.

01:10:11.320 Don't have a bit of a jig.

01:10:12.980 Tap your foot.

01:10:13.320 I know you're supposed to, like, look like you're enjoying yourself at a carnival, right?

01:10:17.520 But obviously, well, we have to look professional.

01:10:21.360 We have to look like we're seriously policing all of this.

01:10:24.560 But it is genuinely just, no, you can't do it.

01:10:26.840 Because if a picture comes out of a policeman going, and there's a murder, right, then that's a reasoning.

01:10:35.280 Optically annoying.

01:10:35.760 And again, this is what I'm saying.

01:10:37.140 Well, you wouldn't expect the police to not have to dance anywhere else.

01:10:42.100 Chinese New Year, as you say.

01:10:44.520 Because they could get away with it and you just trust the public are all going to be well behaved.

01:10:50.620 But in these circumstances, with this demographic of people turning up to a carnival, no, you are focused, you are laser focused in all places and all times for two days straight.

01:11:03.940 Don't you dare nod your head in time with the reggae.

01:11:07.120 Because trouble could strike at any second.

01:11:10.500 Right.

01:11:10.860 And so you could just, I really, you know, pity.

01:11:15.260 I know we're back to the police, but I really pity them.

01:11:18.340 I wouldn't want to, I wouldn't be a policeman for love nor money these days.

01:11:21.060 No, no, absolutely not.

01:11:23.560 But in a stunning turn of events, the Metropolitan Police turned around and said, no, we are going to use the facial recognition system.

01:11:31.600 So even though all those charities and pressure groups were anti-racist activists, were trying to make it the light.

01:11:38.340 Well, where we know live facial recognition can help locate individuals that pose a safety risk to the many seeking to enjoy a carnival, it is entirely reasonable to ask, why shouldn't we use it?

01:11:52.540 And obviously, there is another aspect to this as well.

01:11:55.560 Again, as I say, I don't want a surveillance state.

01:11:58.680 And for an English population, you don't really need one. 1.00

01:12:03.960 But within this framework, I think that if you have the facial recognition system, one, that's going to ward away a lot of the worst people from Notting Hill Carnival, who were maybe already on databases for particular crimes.

01:12:20.440 Right. So it might indirectly make things a little bit safer.

01:12:24.600 So I'll be interested to see what happens this weekend, really.

01:12:30.280 But the larger point that I was obviously just making with all of this is the fact that a carnival in England shouldn't take this amount of security.

01:12:42.560 I completely agree with you and with what you said, Lewis.

01:12:44.480 I find facial recognition science, yeah, it's really sort of a big brother, slippery slope, really sinister thing.

01:12:54.520 But it does exist.

01:12:56.440 We live in a reality where it exists now.

01:12:59.360 And Notting Hill is a very small place, really, in the scheme of things.

01:13:04.200 A small little bit of London.

01:13:05.420 Yes.

01:13:05.900 It's only a few streets, really.

01:13:08.740 And you know violent crime is going to happen there in this small window of time.

01:13:12.660 You know that there will be violent crime there.

01:13:16.440 So it's sort of hard to argue with him.

01:13:19.740 Why wouldn't we use it then?

01:13:21.180 The problem is, here's my counter to that.

01:13:24.160 The problem is, if they see that it works and that it does deter, what stops them from applying it to all other events?

01:13:32.300 Yeah, you're right.

01:13:32.720 And then it's like you're getting your face scanned when you're walking into Reading Festival and all this stuff.

01:13:38.460 And you're like, I just want to enjoy some music, man.

01:13:39.980 It already happens.

01:13:40.780 When you go through London, if you travel across London, you're on CCTV like 60 times or something.

01:13:45.060 Yeah, I get the argument.

01:13:46.220 And the facial recognition software is just one extra layer, a much more sinister layer.

01:13:51.140 But it's one more layer on top of that.

01:13:52.820 We just don't, I don't know the ins and outs of where the data goes.

01:13:57.360 Who does it apply to?

01:13:58.760 Who does it get sold to?

01:14:00.600 Maybe it's another investigation I need to look into.

01:14:02.780 But I just don't know where it goes.

01:14:04.920 How is it stored?

01:14:06.360 You know, what are the intrinsic ins and outs of facial recognition?

01:14:11.420 So I have to say, really against.

01:14:14.980 Yeah, me too.

01:14:15.900 In principle, absolutely.

01:14:17.420 But all, for me, anyway.

01:14:19.840 That's my view, anyway.

01:14:20.620 No, I'm against it too.

01:14:22.260 But for the sakes of this little experiment, we'll see how it plays out this weekend at Notting Hill Carnival.

01:14:28.860 All right, I'll read the.

01:14:31.740 I guess we've finished the segment.

01:14:32.920 One last thing I'll just add to that.

01:14:34.980 Because it's a slippery slope.

01:14:36.340 And the next thing it will be is that we caught you jaywalking.

01:14:40.100 Yes, and then you're done.

01:14:41.320 And now we're going to, like China, we'll tax you more because of that. 0.97

01:14:45.940 Or we'll just take money out of your account for that. 0.66

01:14:48.380 Oh, hang on a minute.

01:14:48.860 Or something.

01:14:49.440 Here's his Twitter feed, you know.

01:14:51.460 Yeah, right, yeah.

01:14:52.060 He's looking through.

01:14:52.820 Oh, hang on a minute.

01:14:53.380 Bo's Twitter feed, mass deportations.

01:14:56.020 Oh, we can't be having that.

01:14:57.300 Oh, he tweets that a lot, don't he?

01:14:59.380 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:15:00.120 He does.

01:15:00.980 He has a broken record, actually.

01:15:03.560 You know what I mean? 0.72

01:15:04.500 And I know it sounds silly.

01:15:05.940 It sounds so novel.

01:15:07.600 It's so fictional, almost.

01:15:10.380 It's laughable.

01:15:11.760 But this is, like you said, this is the world we live in now.

01:15:14.780 And it's only going to expand.

01:15:16.420 It doesn't retract unless you put something in place to stop it strictly from expanding.

01:15:23.520 And that's why, because I know I can predict.

01:15:28.260 I'm going to predict what's going to happen.

01:15:30.360 It's going to be fine.

01:15:31.840 I think they're going to implement this.

01:15:33.880 It's going to do its job.

01:15:35.780 And it's going to do it efficiently.

01:15:37.960 And then after that, we're going, well, look at Notting Hill Carnival.

01:15:41.940 It was, like, very, very high in crime.

01:15:45.320 It was this.

01:15:46.060 It was that.

01:15:46.920 If it can fix Notting Hill Carnival, it can fix anything.

01:15:49.820 Now we need it for the far right protests and the riots and, you know, all of this.

01:15:56.700 It's a playbook.

01:15:58.620 It's an experiment that this is going to be used and then applied to forever.

01:16:05.020 Because, you know, Blair wants to adopt it for the border.

01:16:10.620 He wants to adopt it for the border.

01:16:12.180 And we all went, no, we don't need to do something like that.

01:16:16.540 You just deport them, right?

01:16:19.820 And it's such an encroachment.

01:16:23.420 So I can't, for the life of me, agree with it, agree with the Met.

01:16:28.120 As much as there are exceptional circumstances, I don't, I have such a big cynical mind when it comes to the state.

01:16:35.760 I just cannot give an inch to them, even when it seems warranted.

01:16:41.360 So I'm like, nope, not for me.

01:16:43.800 Well, we talk about 1984, don't we?

01:16:46.840 But in that, there's the viddy screens.

01:16:50.620 Yeah, yeah.

01:16:51.140 Which are watching you.

01:16:52.360 Winston had to hide in a corner to write his notes.

01:16:56.020 And he was just lucky there was an alcove.

01:16:57.760 Yeah.

01:16:57.980 People haven't even got an alcove.

01:16:59.400 No.

01:16:59.860 Right?

01:17:00.980 People got to get alcoves.

01:17:02.200 But the thing is, Edward Snowden told us that everyone's camera in their laptop or your camera in your own phone, if they want to, the NSA or the GCHQ can just look at you through your own cameras.

01:17:16.060 Yep.

01:17:16.180 So that is the viddy screen from 1984 that's in your own home, in your own hand.

01:17:21.800 In your own pocket.

01:17:22.560 All the time.

01:17:23.540 Yeah.

01:17:24.160 So then why, so for me, it's like, okay, this is only going to get worse if, you know, oh, man.

01:17:33.160 We're already there.

01:17:34.000 We're already there.

01:17:35.040 Yeah, we are.

01:17:35.760 And it's going to get worse.

01:17:37.120 So yeah, I can't be for it.

01:17:39.480 I'll just ramble through these rumbles.

01:17:41.320 Sorry, sorry, bro.

01:17:42.320 So Logan, 17 Pines, says, in Bowes, Britain, this carnival would be a day to celebrate the dear leader and his ending of the years of madness.

01:17:51.660 Yeah.

01:17:54.520 Connor's Smug Mug says, a carnival cooked up by the racial communist is mostly peaceful and full of urban incidents. 0.93

01:18:03.900 Who could have known, indeed?

01:18:06.260 Notting Hill Carnival is a literal health and safety risk.

01:18:09.880 Crowd crushes have happened.

01:18:12.320 Luckily, no one has died.

01:18:13.640 But it's a Hillsborough disaster waiting to happen.

01:18:16.360 There are two million in last year's one.

01:18:20.700 Last year's carnival. 0.54

01:18:22.180 Habsification says, the people, yeah, they literally urinate and defecate in the streets. 1.00

01:18:28.260 Yeah, so I've seen the videos of that.

01:18:30.540 It's, unfortunately, I decided not to put them in the segment for obvious reasons, though.

01:18:35.580 And the whole thing is ever so slightly feral.

01:18:38.360 Hmm.

01:18:40.040 Yeah.

01:18:41.560 Well said.

01:18:42.640 Alright, over to video comments.

01:18:44.540 Dry humping all over the place.

01:18:46.320 Madness.

01:18:48.540 Yeah?

01:18:52.620 The parked car crashed onto you.

01:18:57.660 Yeah, but the car's parked.

01:18:59.820 You, you hit, so you hit my car. 0.57

01:19:10.200 Uh-oh.

01:19:11.740 Insurance, but the car's parked.

01:19:16.020 Oh, no.

01:19:16.880 Is that real?

01:19:19.900 It feels a little bit...

01:19:20.800 Feels a little bit...

01:19:22.120 Unreal, but still.

01:19:23.240 Yeah.

01:19:24.480 Point that you can't tell, just show us how.

01:19:27.180 I do love the fact with dash cams, like, of course, you can find YouTube videos, almost

01:19:31.920 like a compilation of people...

01:19:34.360 Yeah, just launching themselves at cars.

01:19:36.780 And then they notice, oh, that dude's got a dash cam.

01:19:38.800 And then they go, oh, no, yeah, don't worry, and then just walk off.

01:19:41.640 Oh, dear. 0.85

01:19:42.700 Scammers.

01:19:43.240 Yeah. 0.94

01:19:43.380 I do think scammers are gross, obviously. 0.95

01:19:46.660 But, like, really, really gross. 0.95

01:19:48.780 Yeah, yeah.

01:19:49.120 But that person, if that's real, if that's real, those people that attempt to do something

01:19:53.180 like that, it would be a custodial sentence in Bose Britain. 0.86

01:19:55.560 Yeah, yeah, I agree.

01:19:56.480 Or they can take the pilliary.

01:19:59.740 It's up to them.

01:20:02.460 Just the stocks.

01:20:07.060 My bike hit the stocks.

01:20:10.700 You're in.

01:20:11.700 Skibbity, yeah.

01:20:13.300 Skibbity.

01:20:14.280 The skibbity scampton. 0.82

01:20:16.040 Go on, Samson.

01:20:18.980 Here we are in beautiful Lake George, New York.

01:20:21.660 My wife and I are up here to see a Beatles tribute band.

01:20:32.780 Very good.

01:20:33.540 I hope you enjoy it.

01:20:34.220 It looks very scenic.

01:20:35.180 Nice.

01:20:35.420 Where is that again?

01:20:36.560 Did he say upstate New York, did he say?

01:20:37.940 Yeah, like George, I think he said.

01:20:39.920 Oh, very nice.

01:20:40.500 It always reminds me of in The Big Lebowski when...

01:20:43.000 I've not seen that.

01:20:44.020 ...he's in the cab, and the cab driver's playing the Eagles.

01:20:46.700 And he's like, can you turn this off?

01:20:47.880 I hate the Eagles.

01:20:48.560 And the cab driver just screeches to a halt and pulls him out of the cab.

01:20:52.880 I'm not giving you a ride if you don't love the Eagles.

01:20:56.760 Anyway.

01:20:57.780 That's funny.

01:20:59.000 All right.

01:20:59.520 Is that all the video comments, Samson?

01:21:01.280 Wonderful.

01:21:01.960 Thank you.

01:21:02.720 So from your segment, Lewis, you've got Justin B saying,

01:21:06.580 what I fear the next steps for housing scroungers, 0.99

01:21:10.380 now that the hotels are starting to close,

01:21:13.360 is that they will put more into new builds.

01:21:15.640 And when they run out, you've got a spare room.

01:21:18.740 You must take three.

01:21:21.520 Lineker can go first.

01:21:23.220 There are rules about billeting soldiers on people.

01:21:30.320 You can't do it.

01:21:31.440 Going back centuries.

01:21:32.760 Go on.

01:21:33.240 Both he and the enemy.

01:21:34.340 Yeah, if it's a foreign combatant,

01:21:36.600 which is what I see these people are,

01:21:38.540 a foreign invading force,

01:21:40.960 it's tantamount to billeting a soldier on you.

01:21:44.320 Yeah, an enemy soldier.

01:21:45.560 Yeah.

01:21:46.220 We'll get that in with the solicitors then.

01:21:48.100 Do you want me to read out the...

01:21:49.620 Oh, sure.

01:21:50.140 Yeah, you've got them on screen, sure.

01:21:52.100 Jason K says,

01:21:53.240 I sense when the government get wind of the legal loophole

01:21:56.200 where these hotels can be closed,

01:21:57.820 they'll try to close it.

01:21:59.080 Quicksmart,

01:22:00.020 in the way that Cooper tried to yesterday at breakneck speed.

01:22:05.360 I don't know what that reference is.

01:22:08.500 So I'd like to see affected councils make hay 0.85

01:22:11.420 while the sun shines.

01:22:13.020 Yeah, that's another thing, isn't it?

01:22:15.620 If, you know,

01:22:17.260 that, well,

01:22:17.960 every media outlet knows now.

01:22:20.240 Every councillor is aware that there is a way.

01:22:23.340 So it's likely that, you know,

01:22:26.400 the pro-multicultural councils,

01:22:30.260 the pro-diversity,

01:22:32.400 the pro-mass migration councils

01:22:34.600 will look to patch that up.

01:22:37.320 Oh, yeah, no, planning permission.

01:22:38.840 Yeah, we've sorted that.

01:22:39.520 Don't worry.

01:22:40.840 Well, what date was that?

01:22:42.300 Only yesterday.

01:22:43.740 Mm-hmm.

01:22:44.040 Mm-hmm.

01:22:44.820 Convenient.

01:22:45.260 Well, if the reform councillors,

01:22:47.960 you know,

01:22:48.400 reform are the head of these councils,

01:22:50.660 if they can just flat out refuse,

01:22:52.580 which the councillors at least seem inclined to do,

01:22:56.440 and if you've got Rupert just saying,

01:22:58.260 no, we're just not having any illegals in Great Yarmouth,

01:23:01.040 right?

01:23:01.500 Well, you've set the example.

01:23:02.500 Well, where are the other MPs now

01:23:04.420 saying that they're not taking them either?

01:23:06.600 Yeah, I know.

01:23:07.120 Right?

01:23:07.540 I wonder how many other MPs

01:23:09.100 will sign Rupert Lowe's letter

01:23:10.920 in solidarity with him.

01:23:12.800 Very few, I would have thought.

01:23:13.980 Very few. 1.00

01:23:14.620 Because they're all moral cowards. 0.98

01:23:16.840 The other thing we didn't mention, actually, 0.97

01:23:18.660 in your segment,

01:23:19.760 which is important, I think,

01:23:21.360 well, it is very important,

01:23:22.620 is that Parliament is sovereign.

01:23:25.880 Yeah.

01:23:27.100 They hold all the cards,

01:23:28.920 so if they wanted to,

01:23:30.140 Starmer could pass a piece of legislation

01:23:34.100 which simply says

01:23:35.860 something like,

01:23:37.540 the Home Office has got

01:23:38.340 complete ultimate authority

01:23:39.780 above the High Court,

01:23:40.880 above any law,

01:23:43.600 any local council,

01:23:45.400 any sort of planning permission type thing,

01:23:47.760 that the Home Office

01:23:48.380 just will automatically override any of that,

01:23:50.600 no questions asked.

01:23:51.620 Yeah.

01:23:52.140 They can do that.

01:23:53.120 Yeah.

01:23:53.800 If they really want to,

01:23:54.620 they can just do that.

01:23:55.360 All we need to do is

01:23:58.620 fill up Parliament

01:23:59.340 with people who do want to do that.

01:24:01.540 No pressure.

01:24:02.580 Derek Powell,

01:24:03.520 Master of Chippy,

01:24:04.420 says,

01:24:05.020 the Bell Hotel

01:24:05.960 has now been claimed

01:24:06.820 by the English Patriots

01:24:08.200 and renamed the Bow Hotel.

01:24:10.280 There you go.

01:24:12.360 Love it.

01:24:12.920 About time.

01:24:13.620 About time.

01:24:14.360 It'll be my head of operations

01:24:15.640 when the time comes.

01:24:18.680 And someone online says,

01:24:20.640 Skibbidi Bow

01:24:21.700 was not on my bingo card.

01:24:23.460 It wasn't on mine either.

01:24:27.960 I thought you misspoke.

01:24:30.320 All right.

01:24:30.780 I genuinely thought you misspoke.

01:24:32.360 That's why I was laughing,

01:24:33.940 like properly laughing.

01:24:35.560 I thought you were like,

01:24:36.720 what's this Skibbidi?

01:24:40.060 Skibbidi Bebop.

01:24:42.500 From.

01:24:45.060 Skatman Bow.

01:24:47.300 From your segment,

01:24:50.060 Skatman Bow.

01:24:51.920 Skatman Bow.

01:24:52.440 Omar Awad says,

01:24:53.860 the thin edge of the wedge

01:24:55.060 took decades to implement.

01:24:57.360 The immigration industrial complex 0.79

01:24:59.200 is a titanic behemoth

01:25:00.840 and has just as much momentum.

01:25:04.140 Rather than looking at raw numbers,

01:25:05.940 it's more important to shift momentum

01:25:07.720 and the rest takes care of itself.

01:25:11.440 He's not wrong, is he?

01:25:12.680 I mean.

01:25:12.960 Yeah, it's an entire industry.

01:25:15.580 It's not wrong there.

01:25:18.580 Lord Inquisitor Hector X says,

01:25:22.260 I've been told these illegals are doctors and lawyers,

01:25:25.860 so sending them to African countries should improve them.

01:25:29.260 Trump is making a very humble sacrifice 0.90

01:25:31.760 of their big throbbing brains 0.94

01:25:34.980 to help the Africans improve. 0.97

01:25:36.500 All those engineers and surgeons and chemists,

01:25:40.880 rocket scientists.

01:25:42.700 Yeah.

01:25:43.500 Are now going to make Rwanda 1.00

01:25:45.380 the leading power.

01:25:48.220 Not just on the continent,

01:25:50.120 but the world.

01:25:51.060 Reverse brain drain.

01:25:52.480 They'll become the leaders in research and development.

01:25:55.040 Someone online says,

01:25:59.540 I do like the annoying illegal alien influencer 0.98

01:26:04.300 who got deported and didn't speak a lick of English.

01:26:08.640 I'm not sure which specific one he's referring to.

01:26:12.020 I can imagine it applies to a lot of them.

01:26:14.780 Someone online.

01:26:15.760 And Charles Ellington says,

01:26:17.500 Bo, are you for...

01:26:21.540 Yes.

01:26:22.440 Well, he's basically...

01:26:24.620 All right.

01:26:25.940 He's not for that, Charles.

01:26:27.240 I'll carry on.

01:26:27.980 All right.

01:26:28.740 The police versus twerking.

01:26:30.760 My segment.

01:26:32.200 Got Baron Von Warhawk says,

01:26:34.400 if the police feel,

01:26:35.640 really feel scared for the Notting Hill carnival,

01:26:39.720 they could stop it.

01:26:41.120 If all the cops collectively agreed

01:26:43.260 that they would not allow the carnival to take place,

01:26:46.500 then the politicians would have to shut it down.

01:26:49.640 But then again,

01:26:50.240 the cops won't 0.98

01:26:51.040 because they are the state's lapdogs 0.96

01:26:53.380 and will gladly offer themselves 0.99

01:26:56.700 to the Notting butcher's knife 0.83

01:26:59.540 as long as they don't get called racist,

01:27:01.480 don't feel sorry for them.

01:27:02.680 They did this to themselves.

01:27:03.920 I disagree with the average individual police officer

01:27:07.740 on the ground, right?

01:27:09.160 I've seen more than enough cops

01:27:11.460 in London who work for the Met

01:27:13.140 who are,

01:27:14.180 you can tell they feel just as trapped by the system

01:27:16.680 as anyone else.

01:27:18.780 I mean, remember that video that we had

01:27:20.560 of that policeman in Warwick,

01:27:22.720 Warwickshire knocking on that guy's door

01:27:24.580 saying what a farce it is, right?

01:27:26.680 Would we rather have that guy

01:27:28.260 as part of the police service

01:27:30.200 or would we rather have him not?

01:27:32.560 Right.

01:27:32.780 I assume, like, obviously,

01:27:35.460 you know, speaking very generally here,

01:27:37.600 this is not going to apply to absolutely everyone,

01:27:39.820 but I presume that anyone who applies

01:27:42.340 to the police force

01:27:43.680 want to just make their community a better place.

01:27:46.400 That's usually one of the main reasons.

01:27:49.000 That's not to say that, you know,

01:27:51.900 that's above board

01:27:53.100 and, you know,

01:27:53.720 the thing that happens

01:27:54.820 to every single officer,

01:27:57.600 but you've got to take it now.

01:28:00.460 You've got to take it case by case.

01:28:01.960 And it is always usually the managers

01:28:05.200 and it's usually the people above them.

01:28:09.220 And, you know,

01:28:09.940 then people say,

01:28:10.620 well, following orders.

01:28:12.700 It's like, yeah, but...

01:28:16.200 Well, is there a but?

01:28:17.700 I don't know.

01:28:18.320 Yeah, there is a but.

01:28:19.140 Yeah, the average 24-year-old cop.

01:28:23.660 Yeah, yeah.

01:28:26.600 Yeah, I feel sorry for them.

01:28:28.460 They're stuck between a rock and a hard place.

01:28:29.860 They're not responsible for immigration policy 0.67

01:28:32.700 since World War II.

01:28:34.560 No.

01:28:35.360 Right?

01:28:36.500 It's a difficult thing

01:28:37.540 because, yeah,

01:28:38.080 the police do act as the strong arm

01:28:40.380 of an evil state.

01:28:41.880 Okay.

01:28:42.840 But I absolutely don't buy it 1.00

01:28:44.140 all cops are bastards. 1.00

01:28:45.400 No. 1.00

01:28:45.620 Absolutely not.

01:28:46.640 Absolutely not.

01:28:47.800 Loads of them,

01:28:48.500 in fact, I would wager

01:28:49.360 probably the majority of them,

01:28:51.340 are trying to do good in the world.

01:28:54.100 Right?

01:28:55.500 Yeah, you might find yourself

01:28:57.040 end up on, like,

01:28:59.740 in a...

01:29:01.000 doing something that you find morally wrong

01:29:02.980 as a policeman.

01:29:04.920 You don't like the fact

01:29:06.160 that you're forced to pen in

01:29:08.140 a bunch of people

01:29:08.880 that are just

01:29:09.540 flying a St. George's flag.

01:29:11.960 Yeah, well,

01:29:12.800 that's the price you pay

01:29:13.620 for joining the police.

01:29:15.020 Yeah.

01:29:15.160 That doesn't mean 1.00

01:29:15.680 all cops are bastards. 1.00

01:29:17.900 Without the police, 1.00

01:29:18.740 we would have no rule of law.

01:29:20.060 It would be true anarchy.

01:29:21.320 Yeah.

01:29:21.700 If you want that,

01:29:22.440 go and live in Haiti 1.00

01:29:23.180 if that's what you want.

01:29:24.380 If you don't like the police ever

01:29:25.780 under any circumstances...

01:29:27.100 Chas autonomous zone.

01:29:28.760 It would be terrible

01:29:29.820 to live in a world

01:29:30.620 where there was no police.

01:29:31.760 Yeah, it would be.

01:29:32.080 It would be terrible.

01:29:32.820 You wouldn't like it.

01:29:34.540 Do they act

01:29:35.640 as the authoritarian arm

01:29:37.280 of an evil state,

01:29:38.680 though, sometimes?

01:29:39.520 Yeah.

01:29:40.900 So it's a complicated thing.

01:29:44.060 Indeed.

01:29:44.900 Well, I hope that you

01:29:46.160 enjoyed the podcast today,

01:29:47.580 ladies and gentlemen.

01:29:48.460 That's all we've got time for today.

01:29:50.000 You can join us again

01:29:50.920 at 1pm tomorrow.

01:29:52.320 Have a good day.

01:30:02.820 Have a good day.

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