The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1250

00:00:00.000 Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen. Welcome to the podcast of the Lotus Eaters for Thursday

00:00:06.000 the 11th of September 2025. I'm joined by Bo and Dan, and today we're going to be discussing

00:00:12.320 the assassination of Charlie Kirk. Now, I think it's probably worth giving a bit of preamble

00:00:19.200 here. Charlie Kirk was a titan of conservative activism in the United States. He had such

00:00:28.160 a large reach, in fact, that when I went to bed last night, my wife was like, did you hear about

00:00:32.380 Charlie Kirk? And I was like, how do you know who Charlie Kirk is? She's like, oh, I used to watch

00:00:35.520 his debates all the time. I had no idea that my wife was a Charlie Kirk fan, because she just never

00:00:41.300 brought it up. And this is the sort of thing I'm talking about. It's like, he had a reach that was

00:00:48.560 much further than people realized, because he appealed to the actual normal debates normal people

00:00:54.720 were really having in the real world about transgenderism, about whatever issue of the day

00:01:00.940 was. And so the kind of hyper online political types that, you know, the sort of environment we

00:01:10.720 operate in, he reached well beyond this and had enormous influence on political commentary and

00:01:19.220 politics generally, conservative politics generally, especially, but also on left-wing politics,

00:01:25.780 actually. He was a regular figure of hate for the left. And honestly, I really would feel bad for

00:01:35.300 the way that they would frankly go at him. It was horrible. It was absolutely horrible, especially as

00:01:40.280 if you've ever watched any of Charlie Kirk's debates or any of his commentaries, he isn't, he wasn't,

00:01:47.820 sorry, I have to say, a raging firebrand. I think that's why they hated him. It's easier to deal

00:01:54.080 with somebody who's coming at you strong, because they can just brush it off, and they can just,

00:01:59.020 they can shout their retorts, and they can shout their slurs. Charlie didn't give them the opportunity

00:02:03.460 to do that. He was so reasonable and so measured, and he genuinely tried to have conversations. And it

00:02:09.180 simply exposed the fact that these people are incapable of articulating their worldview.

00:02:13.600 He was a complete gentleman about these things. One of the most disturbing aspects of this is that

00:02:20.120 he was the dialogue guy. Yes. The entire shtick was being a debate bro. Right. I'm here for the

00:02:26.900 democratic process to engage in the public discourse, in the marketplace of ideas, so we can talk out our

00:02:32.460 differences and maybe find common ground. That was his entire point. And what it says is, of course,

00:02:37.160 we don't want dialogue. We're not interested in dialogue. Well, I think we'll come back to that

00:02:44.980 in a bit, because I think what might be worth doing is just saying, you know, Dan and myself are both

00:02:52.180 fathers. Charlie was 31 years old. He had two young children and a wife. So just, it could be any of us.

00:03:00.940 And his young children were there. And his young children were there, which is just awful. But

00:03:05.460 anyway, let's, let's begin by going through the actual details of what happened. As much as we

00:03:12.020 know them. All right. Yeah. So the whole podcast today is going to be about, about Charlie. Yes.

00:03:19.260 Different, different aspects of what happened and his life and everything. So to begin with,

00:03:24.360 just the events of yesterday. So here's an image of him not long before throwing out MAGA hats.

00:03:36.760 And it was in, it was in Utah, Utah Valley University. And it was called the American Comeback

00:03:42.340 Tour. So we obviously had a number of, you would, I mean, can I assume we had a number of events

00:03:46.620 lined up and, and yet, so as I understand, shortly after it began, shortly after, very shortly after

00:03:54.540 it began, I believe, sort of a single shot rang out. So Charlie was taking questions from people

00:04:01.980 lined up to a microphone, right? It was a fairly standard format that he does. You know, whoever

00:04:07.420 wants to come up and ask him a question and challenge him, challenges him. And then he answers the question

00:04:12.060 and then they have a back and forth over it. Classic Charlie Kirk format. Nothing.

00:04:16.760 One thing to say, we're not going to show any of the clips. There's one long range,

00:04:20.520 low resolution clip and one terribly distressing close up clip. And we're not going to show either

00:04:26.020 of those. But they're all over the internet.

00:04:29.800 Just a warning to people, if you're thinking of looking it up and my view is that I wanted

00:04:34.900 to see it because I wanted to face it. I want to, I want to see evil for what it is, but

00:04:40.120 it is horrific. So if you, if you haven't seen it, um, just take a measure of whether

00:04:46.180 you really want to or not.

00:04:47.400 Yeah. I mean, we are going to talk, we're not going to show it, but we are going to talk

00:04:49.800 about it, um, a bit anyway. Um, I would just say, um, that I act personally, I actively

00:04:58.320 try and avoid anything like that, but I did seek this one out and watch it just because

00:05:04.620 I know we've got to talk about it and it's sort of, it's actually important. It's not just

00:05:07.880 a random murder. Um, so, but it is terrible, terrible, terribly graphic, uh, really, really

00:05:15.620 distressing, horrible, horrible. Um, so, okay. Um, yeah, a single shot rang out and, um, seems

00:05:26.420 like it was, must've been a rifle, right? If it was, if it was over any sort of range,

00:05:31.840 it would have had to have been a long, um, people, people running away. And, um, I mean,

00:05:39.580 at first, uh, when it first happened, well, I'll talk about my experience. I was recording

00:05:44.340 with Nate for the little channel I've got within the state of politics yesterday evening.

00:05:48.240 I came in about eight o'clock to record with him and I hadn't seen it. I hadn't been on

00:05:52.980 Twitter for a few hours. He just said, Charlie shot, uh, Charlie Kirk has been shot. And it

00:05:59.700 was the first I'd heard of it. And we, no one knew if he was, had survived or not. Um,

00:06:05.100 and there was the, the grainy long range clip where you could see he'd been hit. But beyond

00:06:09.020 that, you just didn't know. Um, and so we did a recording and, um, in that we're still

00:06:14.780 saying, we hope he's all right and stuff, but it emerged. People saying he's been taken

00:06:18.800 to hospital. There's lots of blood, but he's been taken to hospital and he's stable. That

00:06:22.080 was the news for a while.

00:06:23.240 Yeah. I was following it adamantly on my phone, obviously, because, uh, someone met, I can't

00:06:28.300 know, but it was messaging me with a Charlie Kirk's been shot. I was like, what? And this

00:06:31.740 was almost immediately after the news had broken. So I was looking and couldn't really

00:06:34.820 say anything. And then I started seeing it popping up. And so for about an hour, I guess,

00:06:39.580 I can't remember how long it was now. I was just glued to my phone, just refreshing, hoping

00:06:44.420 because there were like, Oh, people immediately look at that wound, which you could see very

00:06:50.340 quite clearly in the, in the videos. He's, he's not going to make it. But then you had reports

00:06:55.800 from people who were with him in the hospital saying, no, he's, he's in critical condition,

00:07:00.480 but he's, it would have been a miracle if he had survived that.

00:07:02.660 And then, yeah, it was, uh, Tim Pool that I saw that, uh, tweeted, um, he's gone. And

00:07:07.680 I was like, okay, well, the worst has happened then, hasn't it?

00:07:09.960 Well, I saw the Trump tweet, or maybe it was a truth social saying, confirming that he's

00:07:14.240 gone. Um, so yeah. Um, let's talk about the actual thing. Um, just because this segment

00:07:24.500 is supposed to be about just the facts. Um, to begin with, it looks like on the closer

00:07:30.160 footage, it looks like it's just shot in the left-hand side of the neck, but on closer

00:07:34.220 slow-mo, it does look like it's actually shot from the right-hand side and it bounces off

00:07:39.840 his upper chest and then clips him in the neck or hits him in the neck.

00:07:43.380 So I was speaking to Tim Pool about this and he believes that Charlie was wearing something

00:07:48.140 they call rifle armor, which is hexagonal, uh, ceramic plates, uh, that are able to deflect

00:07:55.880 rifle bullets. Rifle bullets being powerful and, um, not usually the sort of thing that

00:08:00.820 a Kevlar vest or whatever could stop. And that's why it appears to sort of deflect off

00:08:05.180 his chest and then into his neck. Um, but I mean, when I, when I saw it, it's so distressing,

00:08:11.500 but when I saw it, I'm no doctor, but immediately that's, I see that's an unsurvivable thing.

00:08:19.500 Uh, the amount of blood, that injury, uh, just the sheer loss of blood, the loss of blood

00:08:23.940 pressure, getting no oxygen to the brain. If there were paramedics one foot away from

00:08:29.340 him, I don't think he would have survived that. Terrible, terrible.

00:08:31.740 I don't think, I don't think you could have survived that if you got shot in the operating

00:08:34.380 room.

00:08:35.080 Right. Yeah. Well, yeah. Can't replace like that artery or the jugular or whatever.

00:08:41.020 So the only small, tiny, tiny mercy is that it would have been quick. I imagine he would

00:08:47.120 have lost consciousness either immediately or almost immediately. Um, so I mean, it's

00:08:52.660 not much of a saving grace, but there is, there is that at least, um, at the very least.

00:08:59.080 Although what it must have been like for his, um, young family and children.

00:09:02.200 Well, that's the thing to be murdered in cold blood in broad daylight in front of your

00:09:06.420 wife and children. Yeah. Just absolutely despicable.

00:09:09.500 One, one and three, I think they are. Yeah. We were saying just before, I hope they don't

00:09:14.720 remember it, obviously. I hope they're not old enough to hold a memory of it. Um, absolutely.

00:09:20.660 Um, and he was taken to, uh, he was rushed to, uh, a waiting SUV, but of course it was

00:09:28.620 in vain. And we don't need to see it anyway.

00:09:31.200 There was, there was no ambulance there, which is a strange thing, isn't it?

00:09:35.140 Yeah. I mean, you wouldn't necessarily, I mean, there wouldn't normally be, would there?

00:09:39.540 I'm not sure.

00:09:40.180 There's not an ambulance when you go and speak at university or something, is there?

00:09:42.780 Like, I'm not sure that I think that if there's a sufficiently large gathering, I think like

00:09:47.100 protocols suggest there should be.

00:09:48.700 Well, maybe there will be going forward, going forward. People like Charlie Kirk might want

00:09:54.240 to think about, or having a persplex style screen.

00:09:58.660 Like Trump was like, like, like the president or the Pope or something.

00:10:02.440 Well, if, if, if, if we carry on doing the dialogue thing, yeah.

00:10:06.800 Yeah. Uh, so to begin with, it broke immediately. I mean, while I was still recording with Nate,

00:10:11.500 it broke that, that this chap, uh, was the shooter or was responsible. Um, and it, it subsequently

00:10:18.000 emerged that he's not, he's not. So.

00:10:20.680 He was arrested for a short period of time.

00:10:22.980 Yeah.

00:10:23.560 And then, then he was, I, I saw the, uh, the, I think it was the governor or was it the

00:10:28.860 chief police who was saying that he was, he had been arrested, but for obstructing justice.

00:10:35.880 His behavior is very strange. It's almost like he was causing some sort of distraction

00:10:39.900 or something. I mean, he, he was shouting, you know, shouting, shoot me. I mean, he was.

00:10:44.500 Oh, was he the guy shouting, shoot me?

00:10:45.840 Yes.

00:10:46.380 I think he had, I think he had a gun as well, but it turned out just to be a pellet gun.

00:10:50.240 Yeah.

00:10:50.440 I think that might've been the next one. I'm not sure.

00:10:53.720 Um, okay. Cause, because someone else was arrested and then released, right?

00:10:57.200 Yeah. I think that was him.

00:10:59.480 Oh, okay. Um, uh, you see a guy, one of the cops here with, uh, holding a gun at one point,

00:11:04.600 but anyway, um, it, it's not a fire. We don't know much about this guy. We know, we know that

00:11:08.940 he's a, an older man in his seventies. He's of Jewish background. He's a registered Democrat,

00:11:15.240 but I mean, apart from that, it wasn't him.

00:11:18.000 Yeah. Um, but why, yeah, yeah. Was he involved in a conspiracy? I mean, just more than one person

00:11:25.580 by definition is a conspiracy. Who knows? We don't know. We don't know. It only happened

00:11:29.460 yesterday. Um, but yeah, so Kash Patel at one point said, we've got the person, but then

00:11:37.840 it later transpired that they had it.

00:11:40.260 So I think he's referring to a different guy that we don't have a photo of.

00:11:44.080 Right.

00:11:44.460 Yeah. There was a report that a 25 year old was also arrested.

00:11:47.680 He's subsequently been ruled out.

00:11:49.120 But he's been ruled out too. So.

00:11:50.400 When I first saw the, um, the, the, the older chap, um, my immediate reaction, because we've

00:11:56.540 done stuff about assassins before, and I've, I've been interested in political assassinations

00:11:59.720 throughout history. My immediate reaction was probably not. It's hardly ever an old guy.

00:12:05.080 That said the second, the second Trump attempted shooter was an older guy.

00:12:09.060 It's not unprecedented. Yeah.

00:12:10.520 There have been assassins in their forties and fifties or even sixties, but it's super rare.

00:12:14.720 It's a tiny minority of them.

00:12:16.520 Sorry. Sorry, Karen.

00:12:17.720 Yeah. Um, so it's not impossible, but it's, it's, it's unlikely. Um, okay. So there's

00:12:27.380 some, uh, uh, some evidence have emerged of people saying that, uh, there's a guy on the

00:12:32.700 on a roof.

00:12:33.100 Just a quick thing there. Yeah. I thought I was right. Uh, the Steve Scalise shooting at

00:12:37.340 the, the mass shooting, the baseball game was a 66 year old man. Right. Right. Yeah.

00:12:41.460 So it does happen. The radicalized boomer is a thing. Yeah. No. And throughout history.

00:12:47.060 Yeah. Occasionally it'll be a middle-aged person. Actually the guy, the guy, the guy

00:12:50.540 is always someone extremely young in their twenties or even younger. Sometimes lots of

00:12:55.360 assassins that are like 18, 19. The guy who ran to be assaulted Rand Paul. He was an

00:12:59.000 older guy. And, and more than that, he was actually his neighbor as well. He, he, but

00:13:02.300 he was just watching mainstream media one day. Watching MSNBC. Yes.

00:13:06.060 Getting right up. Yeah.

00:13:07.800 You'd think he'd already be in the corner.

00:13:08.600 So this is footage of people claiming we, again, we don't know. Yeah. Bit of speculation

00:13:13.280 here that this person on, on the roof there was the shooter. Assuming there isn't even

00:13:17.920 a person on the roof. It's hard to say what that is. I think it is because I'm sure it

00:13:21.140 is. There's another footage of him running away. Yeah. I've got that. I've got, I've got

00:13:25.600 that. Um, in fact, it might be the next thing. Yeah. So here's a clip. Um, is it? Oh, okay.

00:13:33.600 Oh, okay. Let's just watch the clip. See that it's quite quick, but this person running

00:13:44.360 off there, uh, again, we don't know if that is the shooter, but that's what sort of being

00:13:50.340 heavily speculated at this point. I mean, if I was a betting man, which I am, I would

00:13:55.560 definitely put my money on that being the shooter. Yeah. Um, so again, just to keep,

00:14:00.240 just to the facts, um, um, it would have been a kind of a, uh, well, people discuss

00:14:08.560 whether it's a long range shot or not. They're saying it's about 200 yards, not

00:14:12.180 meters yards. Now, if it's a rifle, about 600 feet, uh, in that ballpark. Yeah. So, I

00:14:20.100 mean, I would consider that a fairly long range shot and I've been to shooting ranges.

00:14:24.000 They're usually about 50 feet. Okay. So when we talk about these sorts of things, it's

00:14:27.080 like talking about tanks. Yeah. Everyone out there has got their own opinion and, and,

00:14:32.300 and, and I've been shooting ranges where that would be considered mid range. Uh, well, I

00:14:37.140 would say this 200 yards isn't that far. No. So for example, just to put it into perspective,

00:14:43.400 like the sort of world records level stuff is like over four miles, like 7,700 yards. Yeah.

00:14:53.220 Plus. Okay. But that's the extreme. You're not even expected to make those. That's extreme.

00:14:57.740 Yeah. That's like world record stuff. Okay. But, um, a very, very good shooter, amateur

00:15:02.160 shooter can hit something with sort of 308 at like a mile. That's not great. That's, that's

00:15:08.120 doable for a very good amateur to hit something. If you know what you're doing, that is very

00:15:12.240 achievable. So, right. So 200 yards in the skip, it's not a close range. I'm not saying

00:15:17.600 that, but it's not that far. That looks like more than 200 yards. Well, that's what, that's

00:15:23.000 what is all over the thing at the moment is 200 yards. Uh, the thing that I would say about

00:15:28.080 it is that if you, if that, if the shooter was on the roof there, it is elevated. Yeah.

00:15:33.480 And now that does make the shot a lot more difficult because, um, Stefan Molyneux saw,

00:15:38.180 I think he did, I saw someone retweeting him and I couldn't find it. So maybe it wasn't,

00:15:41.660 so apologies to Stefan if I've got this wrong, but he came out, I think, and said, that's

00:15:46.460 a professional shot. I would say not necessarily. It's a difficult shot. It's not the easiest

00:15:50.320 of shots, but you don't have to be a military grade sniper to make that shot is what I'm,

00:15:55.460 I would say. In the comments, people may disagree with me on that. I don't know what the difficulty

00:15:59.000 factor on elevated shots is. Well, cause bullet drop. Oh yeah. I appreciate that. I just,

00:16:03.020 you'd have to literally like cosign, work out the angles and stuff. Um, so it's not, it's

00:16:09.540 not straightforward if you're elevated, either up or down. Um, so whoever did it is obviously

00:16:15.120 not an amateur. Yeah. So to get one shot, direct hit, uh, which should have been through

00:16:20.960 the chest, which obviously would have been fatal immediately. And it's not, it's not

00:16:25.000 just the shot as well. It's the, um, immediate cool headed, get up and move. Yeah. That as

00:16:30.640 well. Yeah. Yeah. They're not panicking. They have a plan to get out. And evidently, um, they

00:16:36.180 did. Um, so all I would say is that it could be anyone from a reasonably good amateur all the

00:16:43.720 up to who knows, you know, a professional sniper, but it doesn't necessarily have to

00:16:47.340 be some sort of professional, but okay. So there you go. The other thing I will, I will

00:16:53.340 draw some attention to that's just fact, um, is, is this, this clip that, that gentleman

00:17:00.840 there. Yeah. See, I'm being sarcastic calling him a gentleman. There are a lot of these.

00:17:05.140 Everyone else, uh, ducking down, but he's turning round to that roof and, uh, not just cheering.

00:17:10.740 Obviously that's despicable. Yeah. Um, but like turn around to the roof of that, like

00:17:15.420 that, that, that guy needs to be questioned. He's, he, he does seem to be signaling. I

00:17:21.320 mean, he's looking up at the roof cause that's where Charlie was and it hit him on the right

00:17:26.440 side. So he's looking directly along the path. The bullet has traveled. So. And not

00:17:31.700 scared about taking a round himself clearly. Yeah, exactly. I mean like everyone else is

00:17:35.480 like, okay, there may be more shots coming. Yeah. Make myself as low and small as possible.

00:17:39.080 Right. All right. Right. This guy is clearly not worried about more shots coming. Why not?

00:17:43.640 He needs to be questioned. Yeah, absolutely. Um, so, okay. That's most of the facts other

00:17:50.800 than to say, uh, that at this moment of recording about 20 past one, Greenwich Mean Time on September

00:17:56.880 11th, 2025, the shooter is at large. Um, which is obviously incredible and worrying. Yeah.

00:18:05.720 That to me more than anything. I mean, more than the shot because you know, there are plenty

00:18:09.300 of amateurs who go to gun ranges who, who get good at shots and okay, the elevation may

00:18:13.900 have been a factor in a complication of it. Yeah, but they can work that out via chat.

00:18:17.420 Yeah. But there are plenty of good, um, amateur shooters. But for me, the thing that stands

00:18:22.340 out is the getaway. Yeah. Hmm. Very smooth. Appears to be. I mean, we'll see in the coming

00:18:30.520 hours or days whether he is apprehended. Um, we'll see. Obviously we hope he is, but it's

00:18:37.980 a bit late now, isn't it? Yeah. I mean, it's, it's, I think Charlie and his family assume

00:18:41.860 that he's fled the country, right? So who knows? Who knows? But okay. Those are the facts

00:18:48.340 that we have at the moment. Okay. Well, um, there have been loads of super chats that have

00:18:52.440 come in, uh, which obviously we appreciate. And I just want to say, um, it's really weird

00:18:58.360 this because Charlie Kirk was the one American commentator. I basically didn't know. Uh, I

00:19:04.500 I've done it personally. Personally. Yeah. Yeah. I I've done loads of, um, turning point USA

00:19:09.160 events. I think I did like three back in like 2017, 2018, 29. Just kept missing him somehow.

00:19:13.660 Yeah. Yeah. And it was just literally just thing. And they've got this America fest.

00:19:18.340 Uh, coming up in December. And so I'm probably going to go to that. And I was thinking, brilliant.

00:19:22.740 I'll finally get to meet Charlie Kirk there. And so this is actually a really weird thing.

00:19:25.580 So I've got loads of friends who are friends of his and be like, Oh yeah, you've got to meet

00:19:28.960 Charlie. You'll love him. I'm like, well, I would have loved to actually, you know? And

00:19:33.100 so just all my American friends, you know, you are who are devastated by this. I'm sorry,

00:19:38.940 man. I'm sorry. Um, but, um, sorry, I'll, I'll get to some of these. Sorry. This is

00:19:46.940 a really intense thing. Are we going to do them as we go or come to the end? Yeah, we'll,

00:19:51.420 we'll, we'll, we'll do them at the end actually. That's a good point. All right. Let's, let's

00:19:54.660 go on to the next bit. So, um, because of the lack of, uh, suspect, the internet is rife

00:20:04.140 with theories about why this has happened. And we're going to talk about them. And I

00:20:09.120 want to be very, very clear that I do not endorse any of these theories. I don't know

00:20:15.520 what has happened here. And I think that anyone who says that they do know is someone who is

00:20:21.280 claiming a level of knowledge that they don't actually have. And also I think it can be quite

00:20:28.040 irresponsible. Now, when this first happened, I was tweeting enraged like everyone else

00:20:33.660 because I'm only human as everyone else is. But after sleeping on it and waking up this morning,

00:20:41.320 I've realized that actually we don't know who's behind this. We don't know why this has been done.

00:20:46.100 And we don't know what this is an expression of. And it could well be that it's not something that

00:20:53.000 comes from within the United States. Uh, it could be something external that is using this political

00:20:59.740 assassination, which is clearly what this is as a way of further riling up division in the United

00:21:05.840 States. And I don't want to be accused of doing that myself because I actually think that might be

00:21:11.780 a very bad thing. Um, so just to be very, very clear, I'm not saying this is the left. I may have

00:21:20.040 tweeted that. I should probably go back and delete those tweets. Um, but on reflection,

00:21:23.980 after calming down, I actually do agree with those more level heads who said, well, we don't know who

00:21:30.020 this, this was. And that's a good point. Cause I mean, I was tweeting when it was the boomer who

00:21:36.000 was arrested. It was like, right, he's a boomer Democrats. Okay. Then there we go. We've, we've got

00:21:40.760 our shooter and we know why he did it. Uh, but if it's not him, then that actually does change the

00:21:45.100 fact. Um, so anyway, the, uh, governor of Utah, uh, said just flat out, this is a political

00:21:50.900 assassination. Uh, and there seems to me that there's no doubt about that. It's hard to imagine

00:21:56.160 that there could be a person who would want to shoot Charlie Kirk for reasons that were non-political.

00:22:02.160 There are no reasons. No, he was an expert. Exactly. I mean, for like, if, if you were going to speak

00:22:06.900 about him as a man outside of politics, he seems to have been a completely, uh, cut and dried upstanding

00:22:12.360 father and husband. There's, there's no way that Charlie Kirk owes somebody money, slept

00:22:16.400 with somebody's wife. There's no doubt. He is a good, well, he was a good, a decent man

00:22:21.440 and he was reasonable. Um, he was killed because somebody somewhere was making some sort of political

00:22:28.220 point. Yes. It is obviously going to be somehow political. So I, I concur with, uh, governor

00:22:34.840 Cox there. There's kind of only two reasons. One, they just a straight up political enemy

00:22:39.840 of, uh, Charlie Kirk hated his views on whatever abortion or whatever, you know, or just his

00:22:47.640 right-leaning views, his Republican mega views, or the other possibility is, as you say, something

00:22:52.700 almost entirely outside of America and it's an, an, an calculated agent provocateur, 3d chess type

00:22:59.520 play somewhere, somehow. They're the only two real, you know, it's one of those two things,

00:23:05.960 surely. I would assume so. I would assume so. But until we have some information on who the

00:23:12.460 shooter was, it's really hard to say. So the, excuse me, like I said, what I'm going to do is

00:23:19.120 just document the theories that are currently going around at the time without co-signing

00:23:23.080 or endorsing any of them. So the first one was, um, the trans theory. So this was posted

00:23:29.240 on Twitter, uh, the day before, uh, Charlie went to Utah Valley University. Uh, as you

00:23:36.620 can see, Omar here says, Charlie Kirk is coming to my college tomorrow. I really hope someone

00:23:40.660 evaporates him. Literally, let's just say something big will happen tomorrow. And apparently the

00:23:45.180 person who runs this account is this person. Um, and this, this is exactly what was in my

00:23:51.960 head at the early stages. Yeah. This, this wouldn't be the first sort of trantifer, as

00:23:59.180 Andy Noe calls them, terror, uh, or school shooting or attempted assassination or anything

00:24:04.500 like that. So this seems like a plausible potential, uh, suspect, but you have to ask yourself, well,

00:24:14.560 is it likely that they were just trying to cause a scene on the internet? Because a lot of people,

00:24:20.000 cause if they can make it seem like there's a terror threat that's being called in, then

00:24:24.760 the event would be canceled. Charlie wouldn't go to his university and then life would continue

00:24:29.240 as normal, right? So calling him fake threats is something that the left does all the time.

00:24:33.980 I've been at events where they've called him fake bomb threats and things like that. Nothing

00:24:37.720 happened obviously. And, uh, does this person look like they have a plan? I'm not sure they

00:24:42.960 look like they have a plan. Um, I'm not sure that they're going to be able to escape all authorities

00:24:48.360 and flee the scene and never be caught. Well, I mean, maybe, maybe, maybe when she was still

00:24:53.980 a boy, uh, his dad took him hunting. Maybe, I don't know. I mean, one thing I'll say is I

00:25:00.940 would be, I tend to agree with you, but you never know. You don't know what people look

00:25:06.320 like, uh, doesn't betray what they're actually capable of. Completely true. It can, it can,

00:25:13.100 but not always, but not always. But you are completely right. So this is one theory is

00:25:17.460 that is a radical transgender person and that has plausibility because of course, Charlie

00:25:22.740 Kirk being a Christian man has a very biblical view on what a man and a woman is as a traditional

00:25:28.140 conservative view on whether men and women. Well, the trans are notching up a number of

00:25:32.260 shootings lately. They are. And they, they particularly hate Charlie Kirk because he is persuasive and

00:25:37.540 it was, sorry, I have to use past tense. Uh, he was persuasive and influential in arguing

00:25:42.940 against their ideology. And so they nurtured a particular hatred for him in his community,

00:25:47.220 in their community. And they still do. And we'll go through some of that in a minute, I'm sure.

00:25:51.620 Um, so that's, that's one potential, uh, theory that is currently doing the rounds on the internet.

00:25:57.180 Uh, the other one was the boomer radical, which, uh, was, um, dismissed by the authorities.

00:26:06.300 Um, but still I see people saying it. So, I mean, it's worth just pointing out that this

00:26:10.940 guy was released. So there's no reason to think that it was him. Uh, as the New York

00:26:15.680 Times has confirmed, it's not the guy, although he did do something really weird, which was

00:26:20.100 yelling, shoot me when he was in police custody. I think we'll watch it.

00:26:22.820 Shoot me! Shoot me!

00:26:25.580 We don't know if it's him or not!

00:26:32.580 Why was he yelling, shoot me?

00:26:34.120 I've not seen that clip before. That is odd.

00:26:36.700 That's really, really weird, isn't it?

00:26:38.800 And so, just why would he...

00:26:41.220 It's like he's going out of his way to cause a distraction.

00:26:44.080 Right.

00:26:46.720 Sure. So the real shooter can make his escape, you mean?

00:26:49.680 I don't know why.

00:26:50.880 Purely for his own ego, or...

00:26:52.620 They don't know why he's doing it.

00:26:53.160 Yeah, well, we don't know, do we?

00:26:54.360 Yeah, right, right, we don't know.

00:26:55.240 But it's very bizarre, indeed.

00:26:56.880 It's just really peculiar.

00:26:59.400 And like I said, I haven't got any explanations for any of this.

00:27:02.420 So the next one was the mystery sniper on the roof theory,

00:27:05.280 which, again, is just the theory.

00:27:07.040 Like, we don't know that this guy did this.

00:27:08.920 Getting right up.

00:27:10.040 Yeah.

00:27:10.560 You think he'd already be in place?

00:27:12.860 You can see him at the top there, as you showed earlier.

00:27:16.360 And then, like you saw him running on the roof,

00:27:18.900 and people pointing out,

00:27:20.380 this is quite a distance,

00:27:23.660 450 feet.

00:27:26.740 So it's not terrible,

00:27:27.640 but like we've said,

00:27:28.640 we've been over this,

00:27:29.260 so I'll carry on.

00:27:30.400 But then you had people pointing out

00:27:32.200 that there was a private jet

00:27:34.860 that left within the hour

00:27:36.800 from the local airport.

00:27:38.960 and that, after 30 minutes,

00:27:42.340 it dropped off of the radar,

00:27:44.540 so it turns its own tracking radar off,

00:27:47.140 for about an hour.

00:27:48.980 I didn't think he was allowed to do that

00:27:50.060 under any circumstances.

00:27:50.980 No, that's illegal.

00:27:51.740 Right.

00:27:52.260 Because, of course,

00:27:52.880 that makes you blind

00:27:54.200 to all of the planes in the sky.

00:27:56.580 It's crazily dangerous.

00:27:57.280 Yeah, it's insanely dangerous.

00:27:59.280 Would that be enough time

00:28:00.240 to land at a nearby runway

00:28:03.780 and offload a passenger

00:28:05.400 and then take off again?

00:28:07.180 This one feels less credible to me

00:28:08.820 because it's such a high-profile way

00:28:10.920 of moving around

00:28:11.520 as opposed to just a rental car,

00:28:13.020 for example.

00:28:13.740 Sure.

00:28:15.640 Like I said,

00:28:16.420 I don't know,

00:28:17.440 but this is the theory

00:28:18.400 that's going around on the internet

00:28:19.480 that this was the plane

00:28:20.520 that got him out.

00:28:22.320 And, yeah,

00:28:23.180 you mentioned,

00:28:24.900 oh, yeah,

00:28:25.320 the air traffic wasn't shut down

00:28:27.000 during this time, by the way.

00:28:28.940 So it's plausible

00:28:30.900 that he could have been on there.

00:28:32.420 It's possible.

00:28:34.000 And then, like you say,

00:28:35.180 the chap jumping up,

00:28:36.960 which we saw,

00:28:38.000 which was very strange.

00:28:42.600 What was that?

00:28:43.880 Jumping up,

00:28:44.480 very, very strange.

00:28:46.160 And then you had...

00:28:46.780 Actually, I don't think

00:28:47.620 that one is strange.

00:28:48.640 I think that's just

00:28:49.540 leftists being leftists.

00:28:50.580 It could be.

00:28:52.660 It could be, but...

00:28:53.980 I mean, I've got to be

00:28:55.140 this in my segment,

00:28:55.980 but the leftist reaction

00:28:57.800 to this,

00:28:58.600 it's not how we would react

00:29:00.940 to a milquetoast

00:29:03.040 leftist commentator

00:29:04.240 getting shot.

00:29:05.020 Their reaction

00:29:05.620 is genuinely different.

00:29:07.100 Yeah, but I always feel

00:29:08.220 that these people

00:29:08.740 are physical cowards.

00:29:10.380 So I would have thought

00:29:11.220 he'd be at least worried

00:29:12.100 about his own skin.

00:29:14.520 But then you have

00:29:15.700 this chap

00:29:16.520 who's an eyewitness

00:29:17.180 to the event.

00:29:18.600 And he felt

00:29:19.360 that it wasn't just

00:29:20.000 one person acting alone,

00:29:21.080 but several people

00:29:21.680 working together.

00:29:23.240 After I got done

00:29:24.720 talking to him,

00:29:26.460 I really couldn't exit

00:29:27.420 because there's

00:29:27.900 such a big crowd.

00:29:29.280 So I turned around

00:29:30.620 and like 10 to 20 seconds

00:29:32.080 later after

00:29:32.840 I got done

00:29:34.220 talking to Charlie,

00:29:35.180 I saw that he was

00:29:36.060 shot in the neck

00:29:36.700 and that he was

00:29:37.300 squirting blood everywhere.

00:29:39.340 But I was piecing

00:29:40.840 things together

00:29:41.460 and it was really weird

00:29:43.580 because the second guest

00:29:44.740 that I talked to,

00:29:46.020 before I went

00:29:46.860 and asked him the question,

00:29:47.800 what I was going

00:29:48.740 to ask him,

00:29:49.480 he was talking to him

00:29:50.240 about how he was

00:29:51.400 going to ask about

00:29:52.020 transgenderism

00:29:52.860 or something like that.

00:29:54.560 But not,

00:29:55.440 and nothing about shootings.

00:29:57.000 And this is the irony

00:29:57.820 that came to me

00:29:58.660 which was like,

00:30:00.100 right when he asked that,

00:30:01.480 not like 5,

00:30:02.420 10 seconds later,

00:30:03.280 he was shot.

00:30:04.900 And not only that,

00:30:06.460 right after that,

00:30:07.200 someone confessed to it

00:30:08.440 who had no weapon,

00:30:10.140 which makes me think

00:30:11.780 that it was clearly

00:30:12.980 a set-up

00:30:13.540 and that multiple people

00:30:14.480 were involved.

00:30:16.080 So,

00:30:16.580 but prior to that,

00:30:17.840 that's all I saw

00:30:18.480 because everyone

00:30:19.040 was squirming.

00:30:21.180 So,

00:30:21.780 again,

00:30:22.800 whether there's any truth

00:30:24.200 to this,

00:30:24.540 whether this is just

00:30:25.180 someone who's panicking

00:30:26.500 in the moment

00:30:27.060 and doesn't know

00:30:28.520 what is happening,

00:30:30.360 who knows,

00:30:31.720 right?

00:30:32.180 Again,

00:30:32.740 just presenting

00:30:33.680 what is going around

00:30:34.620 so you're at least

00:30:35.260 aware of it.

00:30:38.620 And so,

00:30:39.240 the next thing

00:30:39.740 is the theory

00:30:41.720 that Israel did it.

00:30:42.920 Now,

00:30:43.760 this is something

00:30:45.320 that people on the internet

00:30:46.200 are saying.

00:30:46.720 Don't look at me like that.

00:30:47.560 I'm not saying

00:30:48.160 this is the case.

00:30:49.540 Sorry.

00:30:52.920 I,

00:30:53.520 I'm not going to

00:30:54.500 pass judgment.

00:30:55.360 I'm just going to tell you

00:30:56.220 what people are saying.

00:30:57.660 So,

00:30:58.420 the,

00:30:58.640 the theory begins with

00:31:00.500 Charlie

00:31:01.840 has been

00:31:02.880 a long-standing

00:31:03.900 supporter of Israel

00:31:05.000 and this is

00:31:06.160 obviously very publicly

00:31:07.140 and well-known

00:31:07.780 and

00:31:09.240 for a long time

00:31:10.240 he was very much

00:31:10.900 their guy.

00:31:11.300 very much.

00:31:12.460 There's a type,

00:31:13.100 there's a stripe

00:31:13.540 of Christianity

00:31:14.180 which is

00:31:15.520 evangelical,

00:31:16.540 truly biblical,

00:31:17.680 right,

00:31:18.120 where,

00:31:19.140 yeah.

00:31:21.000 But he was shifting.

00:31:22.640 Yes,

00:31:23.160 that's the issue.

00:31:23.900 So,

00:31:24.260 about six months ago

00:31:25.360 beginning of the year

00:31:25.960 that sort of time

00:31:26.700 Charlie

00:31:29.400 started making

00:31:31.260 some connections.

00:31:31.980 For example,

00:31:32.500 in this clip

00:31:33.140 from January

00:31:33.820 he asserted

00:31:35.820 that Jeffrey Epstein

00:31:36.540 was a Mossad agent

00:31:37.760 and then

00:31:39.340 carrying on

00:31:40.360 he thought

00:31:41.080 the Epstein files

00:31:42.300 should all be released

00:31:43.580 and then

00:31:44.480 he started casting

00:31:45.280 aspersions

00:31:45.820 on Patrick

00:31:47.920 David's podcast

00:31:49.300 about

00:31:50.640 the nature

00:31:51.580 of the October 7th

00:31:52.760 massacre.

00:31:54.480 In fact,

00:31:54.880 we'll watch this clip

00:31:55.640 because it's

00:31:56.140 quite strong,

00:31:57.620 frankly.

00:31:58.940 So,

00:31:59.200 I've been to Israel

00:31:59.580 many times.

00:32:00.260 The whole country

00:32:00.740 is a fortress.

00:32:01.620 When I first

00:32:02.180 heard this story

00:32:02.860 I still have

00:32:03.980 the same

00:32:04.440 gut instinct

00:32:05.800 that I did

00:32:06.780 initially.

00:32:07.300 I find this

00:32:07.760 very hard to believe.

00:32:09.120 I've been to

00:32:09.700 that Gaza border.

00:32:10.880 You cannot go

00:32:11.780 10 feet

00:32:12.260 without running

00:32:12.720 into a 19-year-old

00:32:14.200 with an AR-15

00:32:15.220 or an automatic

00:32:16.160 machine gun

00:32:16.820 that is an IDF

00:32:17.880 soldier.

00:32:18.740 The whole country

00:32:19.740 is surveilled.

00:32:21.140 And so,

00:32:21.320 let me just

00:32:22.260 kind of go through

00:32:22.740 this.

00:32:23.300 We don't talk

00:32:23.860 about Israeli

00:32:24.240 politics very often

00:32:25.140 and most Americans

00:32:25.880 don't know this.

00:32:26.800 The last nine months

00:32:27.680 Israel was on the

00:32:28.400 brink of civil war.

00:32:29.640 It's not an

00:32:30.000 exaggeration.

00:32:30.840 This judicial stuff,

00:32:31.700 there were hundreds

00:32:32.840 of thousands

00:32:33.460 of Israelis

00:32:34.060 taking to the streets

00:32:34.980 because Bibi Netanyahu

00:32:36.220 was basically

00:32:36.920 redefining the

00:32:38.060 Israeli constitution.

00:32:39.160 That's not an

00:32:39.520 exaggeration, right?

00:32:40.580 He said the judicial

00:32:41.260 branch has too much

00:32:41.980 power.

00:32:43.040 There were protests

00:32:43.880 planned this week

00:32:45.340 against Netanyahu

00:32:46.320 where they anticipated

00:32:47.480 tens of thousands

00:32:48.220 of people to take

00:32:48.980 to the streets.

00:32:50.200 That's all gone,

00:32:51.000 Patrick.

00:32:52.200 Netanyahu now has an

00:32:53.260 that's all gone,

00:32:54.500 Patrick.

00:32:55.700 Netanyahu now has

00:32:56.680 an emergency government

00:32:57.600 and a mandate to lead.

00:32:59.220 I'm not willing to say

00:33:00.700 to go so far

00:33:01.900 that saying that

00:33:02.460 Netanyahu knew

00:33:03.340 or there was

00:33:03.780 intelligence here

00:33:04.500 but I think some

00:33:05.060 questions need to be

00:33:05.740 asked.

00:33:06.460 Was there a stand

00:33:07.040 down order?

00:33:09.520 Was there a stand

00:33:10.420 down order?

00:33:12.720 You know what I mean?

00:33:13.960 That's pretty

00:33:15.600 hard for someone

00:33:19.280 who otherwise is a

00:33:20.560 huge supporter of

00:33:21.700 Israel to begin.

00:33:22.740 That is somebody

00:33:23.400 shifting their opinion

00:33:24.160 quite strongly.

00:33:24.740 Yeah, and then you

00:33:26.580 have this from a

00:33:29.060 month ago which

00:33:29.960 again is very

00:33:31.140 critical where

00:33:33.480 he's on

00:33:34.460 You and I are

00:33:35.440 both.

00:33:36.240 He's on Megyn Kelly's

00:33:37.880 podcast and he's

00:33:39.260 saying that he can't

00:33:40.400 raise any criticisms

00:33:42.120 of Israel without

00:33:42.880 being deemed an

00:33:44.080 anti-Semite which he

00:33:45.440 takes very very

00:33:46.060 personally because of

00:33:46.880 course he wasn't an

00:33:47.620 anti-Semite.

00:33:49.240 And then you had

00:33:50.120 this is one of his

00:33:52.140 more recent ones.

00:33:53.060 And Jewish donors

00:33:55.480 they have a lot of

00:33:56.860 explaining to do, a

00:33:58.140 lot of decoupling to

00:33:59.220 do because Jewish

00:34:00.780 donors have been the

00:34:01.760 number one funding

00:34:03.620 mechanism of radical

00:34:05.300 open border neoliberal

00:34:06.700 quasi Marxist

00:34:08.380 policies, cultural

00:34:10.400 institutions and

00:34:11.380 non-profits.

00:34:12.320 This is a beast

00:34:13.620 created by secular

00:34:15.220 Jews and now it's

00:34:16.780 coming for Jews and

00:34:18.140 they're like what on

00:34:18.840 earth happened?

00:34:20.200 And it's not just the

00:34:21.520 colleges.

00:34:22.100 It's the non-profits

00:34:23.040 it's the movies

00:34:24.220 it's Hollywood

00:34:25.060 it's all of it.

00:34:26.300 It's like time for

00:34:26.900 you guys to wake up

00:34:27.700 and say no more

00:34:28.520 draw a line in the

00:34:29.140 sand.

00:34:29.400 I don't care if you

00:34:30.100 hate me.

00:34:30.880 I mean that's

00:34:33.780 that's a pretty

00:34:35.920 radical change.

00:34:36.880 Right?

00:34:37.520 From if you go back

00:34:38.740 say five years

00:34:39.680 when Charlie Kirk

00:34:41.020 is Israel number

00:34:42.640 one that's a very

00:34:44.980 hardline criticism.

00:34:46.560 So I know we're

00:34:47.380 just reporting

00:34:47.960 you know we're not

00:34:49.160 taking any value

00:34:49.760 judgments here we're

00:34:50.380 just reporting the

00:34:50.980 things that we're

00:34:51.340 talking about.

00:34:51.920 I mean this this if

00:34:53.000 this was a foreign

00:34:54.200 intel up it's a true

00:34:55.880 stepping on the rake

00:34:57.000 moment so.

00:34:58.020 Sure.

00:34:58.620 But the the point is

00:34:59.540 you can see that his

00:35:00.260 opinion is shifting

00:35:01.180 honestly this sounds

00:35:02.060 kind of Fuentes-ish.

00:35:03.380 Yes.

00:35:03.720 I thought that.

00:35:04.420 Yes.

00:35:04.800 I thought those could

00:35:05.400 be Fuentes words.

00:35:06.600 Exactly.

00:35:07.560 And you know you can

00:35:09.380 see how his thinking

00:35:11.380 on the subject has

00:35:12.080 changed and this is

00:35:12.780 what people are of

00:35:14.340 course clipping all

00:35:16.240 these bits out to

00:35:17.040 show is that Charlie

00:35:18.860 actually has been

00:35:20.180 thinking about this

00:35:21.320 subject a lot and

00:35:23.220 then you have other

00:35:24.080 ones I'm not going to

00:35:24.780 play this one it's a

00:35:25.440 bit more anti-Semitic

00:35:26.660 but then then you get

00:35:28.160 this from Harrison

00:35:29.400 Smith Harrison Smith

00:35:30.940 is an Infowars host

00:35:32.620 but he says I'm not

00:35:34.180 going to name names

00:35:34.820 but I was told by

00:35:35.440 someone close to

00:35:36.020 Charlie Kirk that

00:35:36.640 Charlie thinks Israel

00:35:37.580 will kill him he

00:35:38.900 turns against them.

00:35:40.160 Now this was from

00:35:41.140 August the 13th so

00:35:43.620 this was a month

00:35:45.020 ago that he had

00:35:46.000 posted this and you

00:35:49.200 can see why the

00:35:50.140 conspiracy theory

00:35:51.080 against Israel is

00:35:52.200 gaining steam now

00:35:53.260 because if you've

00:35:54.880 got these kind of

00:35:56.260 breadcrumbs that are

00:35:57.560 being put together

00:35:58.320 then you get this

00:36:01.600 kind of opinion.

00:36:02.220 Harrison came out

00:36:02.820 and said yeah I

00:36:03.220 posted this a month

00:36:03.880 ago my source was

00:36:05.240 second hand it came

00:36:06.040 up during a

00:36:06.820 conversation about

00:36:07.440 right-wing Zionist

00:36:08.260 influences.

00:36:08.880 Yeah.

00:36:09.580 I mean we're not

00:36:10.660 giving an opinion

00:36:11.220 here but you can

00:36:12.100 totally see why

00:36:13.320 lots of people are

00:36:14.800 going down this

00:36:15.440 down this route.

00:36:16.600 This is this is a

00:36:18.000 popular conspiracy

00:36:19.160 theory online whether

00:36:20.780 you agree with it or

00:36:21.500 not so it's important

00:36:22.760 to be aware of it.

00:36:24.160 Jackson Hinkle one

00:36:25.640 of the most outspoken

00:36:26.960 anti-Israel activists

00:36:28.380 just anti-everything

00:36:29.780 activist really.

00:36:30.700 The most third

00:36:31.640 worldist you've ever

00:36:32.420 seen.

00:36:33.340 Frankly he's a

00:36:34.260 lunatic.

00:36:35.340 He lays out the

00:36:36.860 conspiracy theory in

00:36:37.700 its entirety here.

00:36:38.580 He says he used to

00:36:39.460 be an Israel loyalist

00:36:40.380 feared Israel would

00:36:41.240 kill him started

00:36:41.940 mildly criticizing

00:36:42.800 Israel.

00:36:43.320 He said Epstein

00:36:44.000 was Mossad.

00:36:44.760 Let anti-Zionist

00:36:45.600 speak at his events.

00:36:46.920 Zionist media starts

00:36:47.680 attacking him.

00:36:48.460 Someone shot his

00:36:48.960 jugular 200 jars

00:36:49.880 away.

00:36:50.580 Netanyahu tweets

00:36:51.160 within minutes.

00:36:51.940 Pantsy gets arrested

00:36:52.720 and acts guilty.

00:36:53.840 Assassin escapes

00:36:54.500 without a trace.

00:36:55.260 Netanyahu tweets

00:36:55.900 along a message and

00:36:57.180 that's why they think

00:36:58.260 this is a conspiracy.

00:37:00.160 And I mean Netanyahu

00:37:01.080 did tweet very very

00:37:02.720 quickly afterwards so

00:37:04.460 before Trump did.

00:37:06.720 And then you have

00:37:07.640 Jewish

00:37:09.500 newspapers and

00:37:11.540 media outlets

00:37:12.400 posting about

00:37:13.860 Charlie Kirk

00:37:14.360 but also

00:37:15.040 posting that he's

00:37:16.220 an anti-Semite

00:37:16.940 basically.

00:37:18.300 As you can see

00:37:19.060 here Charlie Kirk

00:37:19.760 I mean if he's

00:37:21.280 an anti-Semite.

00:37:22.060 Yeah.

00:37:22.880 Charlie Kirk

00:37:23.300 conservative activist

00:37:24.000 who considered himself

00:37:25.100 a defender of Jews

00:37:25.740 and Israel dead

00:37:26.800 at 31.

00:37:27.740 The conservative

00:37:28.220 activist killed in

00:37:28.960 Utah at times

00:37:29.700 faced allegations of

00:37:30.620 anti-Semitism from

00:37:31.400 across the political

00:37:32.000 spectrum.

00:37:32.460 which is kind of

00:37:34.160 a strange way

00:37:35.280 to frame it.

00:37:37.360 So I

00:37:37.920 you know

00:37:38.900 this

00:37:39.500 I mean I guess

00:37:40.400 maybe

00:37:40.880 or maybe not

00:37:41.860 probably not

00:37:42.600 we'll learn more

00:37:43.100 about this angle.

00:37:44.060 I should point out

00:37:44.540 there's been a

00:37:45.020 there's been a bit

00:37:45.700 of breaking news

00:37:46.300 on this one

00:37:46.840 while we've been

00:37:47.680 on air.

00:37:48.680 Samson I said

00:37:49.340 I put it in the

00:37:49.920 studio one link

00:37:50.860 and Carl I sent it

00:37:51.860 to you but

00:37:52.260 I haven't got

00:37:52.660 Discord on this.

00:37:53.060 We've got information

00:37:54.100 from Stephen Crowder

00:37:55.840 and he's citing

00:37:58.240 an email which

00:37:59.140 appears to be

00:37:59.740 an internal message

00:38:00.800 and it would

00:38:02.240 appear that

00:38:02.860 they've found

00:38:03.740 the rifle.

00:38:07.860 So yes

00:38:08.740 it's in the

00:38:09.420 studio one

00:38:09.960 Samson but

00:38:11.280 what he's saying

00:38:12.260 here is

00:38:13.160 It's already

00:38:14.980 been deleted

00:38:15.480 Dan look.

00:38:17.480 Seriously?

00:38:18.920 Yeah.

00:38:19.700 Well Samson

00:38:20.620 said it's not

00:38:22.180 there anymore.

00:38:23.040 Oh

00:38:23.360 is that it?

00:38:25.100 You must have

00:38:25.700 reposted.

00:38:26.100 There you go.

00:38:26.460 Here we go.

00:38:27.260 So basically

00:38:28.140 he's saying that

00:38:28.860 I'm just going to

00:38:29.540 read it quickly.

00:38:30.800 The email included

00:38:31.480 a screenshot

00:38:31.900 from what appears

00:38:32.400 to be an internal

00:38:32.920 message describing

00:38:33.620 weapon and cartridge

00:38:34.300 located by an ATF

00:38:35.460 and other law

00:38:35.860 enforcement near

00:38:36.820 the scene of

00:38:37.220 Charlie Kirk

00:38:37.680 shooting at

00:38:38.240 Utah Valley State

00:38:39.200 University.

00:38:40.240 On September

00:38:40.580 10th approximately

00:38:41.500 2.24pm

00:38:42.760 conservative political

00:38:43.560 infancy shot

00:38:44.320 the suspect

00:38:47.020 fired one shot

00:38:48.080 from an elevated

00:38:48.620 position on the

00:38:49.220 rooftop in an

00:38:50.180 adjacent building

00:38:50.740 on the campus

00:38:51.260 and a surveillance

00:38:51.800 video shows

00:38:52.420 the suspect

00:38:52.900 jumping off

00:38:53.480 and fleeing

00:38:54.200 the area

00:38:54.680 on foot.

00:38:55.880 ATF and other

00:38:56.340 law enforcement

00:38:56.920 located an

00:38:57.500 older model

00:38:57.940 imported

00:38:58.420 Mauser

00:38:58.940 .30-06

00:39:01.100 caliber bolt

00:39:02.360 action rifle.

00:39:03.780 That seems a bit

00:39:04.400 niche.

00:39:06.040 Like you think

00:39:07.000 it was like an

00:39:07.420 AR-15 or something

00:39:08.360 right?

00:39:09.440 Well you want a bolt

00:39:10.100 action for one good

00:39:11.800 single shot over

00:39:12.540 distance.

00:39:12.940 Wrapped in a towel

00:39:15.940 in a wooded area

00:39:16.620 near the campus

00:39:17.240 the location of

00:39:18.180 the firearm

00:39:18.500 appears to match

00:39:19.040 the suspect's

00:39:19.540 route of travel.

00:39:20.260 The spent cartridge

00:39:20.880 was still chambered

00:39:21.740 in addition to

00:39:22.380 three unspent

00:39:23.000 rounds at the

00:39:24.000 top third

00:39:24.360 magazine.

00:39:25.240 All cartridges

00:39:25.660 have engraved

00:39:26.380 wording on them

00:39:27.140 expressing

00:39:27.920 transgender and

00:39:28.980 anti-fascist

00:39:29.720 ideology.

00:39:31.060 An emergency

00:39:31.520 trace has been

00:39:32.200 submitted to an

00:39:33.460 ATF SLC as

00:39:34.840 working leads.

00:39:35.840 Journey by trace

00:39:36.480 the firearm and

00:39:37.080 ammunition have been

00:39:37.740 taken by the FBI

00:39:38.420 for DNA analysis

00:39:39.240 and fingerprint

00:39:39.620 impressions.

00:39:40.660 Upon completion of

00:39:41.320 forensics the

00:39:41.820 firearm will be

00:39:42.480 disassembled for

00:39:43.480 additional importer

00:39:44.160 information.

00:39:45.300 Multiple people of

00:39:45.960 interest have been

00:39:46.540 contacted or detained

00:39:47.460 because of my

00:39:47.900 witness testimony or

00:39:48.840 review of the video

00:39:49.440 footage.

00:39:50.400 So we see how this

00:39:52.020 involves.

00:39:52.780 Just because you

00:39:54.060 inscribe something on

00:39:56.000 the bullets that

00:39:58.000 just means that

00:39:59.720 whoever left it

00:40:00.700 wanted people to be

00:40:01.840 looking in that

00:40:02.380 direction.

00:40:03.720 So was it a

00:40:05.080 trans shooter who

00:40:06.200 wanted the police to

00:40:07.940 find this?

00:40:08.400 Because they would

00:40:08.800 have found it

00:40:09.240 obviously.

00:40:10.600 If you were an

00:40:11.300 outside agent

00:40:11.800 provocateur and

00:40:19.940 you shot AOC

00:40:21.140 you'd carve a

00:40:22.420 swastika on the

00:40:23.180 or you know.

00:40:24.180 Yeah or 47 or

00:40:25.720 whatever.

00:40:26.580 Yeah exactly.

00:40:28.060 So this doesn't

00:40:29.140 confirm or deny

00:40:29.780 anything.

00:40:30.480 But the point being

00:40:31.660 again these are just

00:40:32.640 the theories that

00:40:33.520 are out there.

00:40:34.400 I don't know until

00:40:35.840 they actually catch

00:40:36.600 the person and

00:40:37.780 actually find some

00:40:39.880 evidence about what

00:40:40.740 their actual intention

00:40:41.540 and motive was.

00:40:42.540 We don't know

00:40:43.160 unfortunately.

00:40:44.480 That's right.

00:40:45.040 We'll leave that

00:40:45.380 one there.

00:40:47.920 Right.

00:40:48.160 Should we

00:40:48.460 next segment

00:40:50.480 Samson?

00:40:51.460 I'll just make one

00:40:52.200 point real quick.

00:40:54.040 I would have

00:40:54.620 thought and I may

00:40:55.440 well be proven

00:40:56.080 wrong.

00:40:56.620 Could easily be

00:40:57.300 proven wrong on

00:40:57.880 what I'm about to

00:40:58.380 say.

00:40:59.120 But often most of

00:41:01.440 the time it's not

00:41:03.280 some crazy 4D

00:41:04.620 chess.

00:41:05.360 No.

00:41:05.880 Double, triple

00:41:07.060 trying to

00:41:08.100 complicate.

00:41:09.400 It's usually it is

00:41:11.360 usually a relatively

00:41:13.240 straightforward thing.

00:41:14.500 Yeah.

00:41:15.000 Someone's got a

00:41:15.580 relatively

00:41:15.980 straightforward.

00:41:16.480 You're saying

00:41:17.200 it's Lee Harvey

00:41:17.680 Oswald?

00:41:19.800 No.

00:41:21.740 Okay.

00:41:22.340 Good point.

00:41:22.900 Yeah.

00:41:23.160 All right.

00:41:23.800 Carry on.

00:41:24.340 It can happen.

00:41:25.220 Yeah.

00:41:25.680 It can be a bit

00:41:26.320 yeah.

00:41:26.720 But I see what

00:41:27.120 you're saying.

00:41:27.260 Yeah.

00:41:30.560 In this last

00:41:32.460 segment I wanted to

00:41:33.060 do a tribute to

00:41:35.160 Charlie Kirk who

00:41:36.740 here he is with his

00:41:37.900 beautiful young

00:41:39.220 family.

00:41:39.780 His wife and his

00:41:40.640 two children.

00:41:41.940 I believe they're

00:41:42.440 three and one.

00:41:44.260 Here they are

00:41:49.340 again on stage.

00:41:51.260 You know this is a

00:41:51.880 man who quite

00:41:54.340 frankly was the

00:41:54.880 best of us.

00:41:56.580 He had done

00:41:57.280 everything right.

00:41:58.660 He stayed with

00:42:01.140 the law.

00:42:02.700 He'd been respectful

00:42:03.820 to everybody around

00:42:04.720 him.

00:42:05.140 He was a good

00:42:05.520 Christian a good

00:42:06.180 family man.

00:42:08.500 No criminal

00:42:09.160 record.

00:42:10.600 If Charlie had

00:42:11.580 done anything

00:42:12.480 wrong I would have

00:42:13.440 heard about it.

00:42:13.980 Yeah.

00:42:14.500 Because I'm

00:42:15.440 plugged into all

00:42:16.120 of these networks

00:42:16.860 word travels you

00:42:18.720 know you get to

00:42:19.280 hear about those

00:42:19.940 people that look

00:42:20.760 don't trust that

00:42:21.500 person don't trust

00:42:22.520 this person this

00:42:23.520 person's cheating

00:42:24.040 on his wife but

00:42:24.520 you hear about all

00:42:25.300 of these things you

00:42:26.520 know so and

00:42:27.220 obviously I've heard

00:42:28.280 nothing and I mean

00:42:29.660 for years now I've

00:42:30.980 heard nothing but

00:42:31.640 glowing praise for

00:42:32.320 Charlie.

00:42:32.740 The point is is if

00:42:33.800 every family in

00:42:34.900 America was like

00:42:35.720 that you wouldn't

00:42:37.120 even need a police

00:42:37.800 force.

00:42:38.460 He was living the

00:42:39.180 proper example of a

00:42:40.620 virtuous life.

00:42:41.520 Yes.

00:42:42.280 He was he was a

00:42:43.160 virtuous and

00:42:44.220 decent man and

00:42:46.420 and the truly

00:42:47.080 heartbreaking thing

00:42:47.820 is is that his

00:42:49.260 wife and those two

00:42:49.940 young children were

00:42:51.840 present at the time

00:42:55.600 that this happened.

00:42:56.220 said this just before

00:42:57.900 we came on air but

00:42:58.620 I'll say it again

00:42:59.280 we are sort of all in

00:43:01.460 our mid-40s and

00:43:03.040 even when you're in

00:43:03.880 your mid-40s you

00:43:04.700 realise that 31 is

00:43:06.060 not very old right

00:43:08.660 we say that if we

00:43:11.680 got if I got hit by a

00:43:12.680 bus tomorrow I would

00:43:13.760 still think well I

00:43:15.180 had a decent enough

00:43:16.360 innings right I had

00:43:18.560 I wasn't short

00:43:20.960 changed too much in

00:43:22.520 life but 31 it's

00:43:24.460 just I mean stating

00:43:26.580 the obvious but

00:43:27.340 it's heartbreaking

00:43:29.520 it's heartbreaking

00:43:30.180 yeah and with two

00:43:31.160 little kids I mean

00:43:32.140 yeah it's truly

00:43:34.260 awful he's I mean

00:43:35.620 the short I just

00:43:36.240 want to play a

00:43:36.620 couple of short

00:43:36.980 videos you know

00:43:38.940 just showing you

00:43:39.440 who this man was

00:43:40.140 who his family was

00:43:41.000 we are going to

00:43:48.280 mute the audio

00:43:48.860 though I'm afraid

00:43:49.640 yeah so this this

00:43:52.300 for anyone who's

00:43:53.900 married with kids

00:43:54.740 this is very familiar

00:43:56.780 footage because your

00:43:58.480 phone will be full of

00:43:59.540 footage like this

00:44:00.380 like I've got footage

00:44:01.240 I took yesterday on

00:44:02.600 my phone of my wife

00:44:04.140 and my daughter

00:44:04.700 playing house with

00:44:05.720 dinosaurs the

00:44:07.160 dinosaurs are like

00:44:07.900 you know drinking

00:44:08.360 tea and going to bed

00:44:09.620 and getting sandwiches

00:44:10.360 so my daughter loves

00:44:11.780 dinosaurs but she's

00:44:12.540 also a little girl

00:44:13.220 and so she likes

00:44:14.580 playing house and

00:44:15.640 so your Facebook

00:44:17.520 profile will be

00:44:18.920 filled with this

00:44:19.540 kind of footage

00:44:21.040 completely normal

00:44:22.640 completely wholesome

00:44:23.440 yeah I hope this

00:44:25.540 one doesn't have

00:44:25.980 copyright music as

00:44:27.220 well let's see

00:44:27.700 oh it does

00:44:31.340 yeah similar thing

00:44:33.700 so this is him at

00:44:34.460 stage his little

00:44:35.500 daughter so excited

00:44:36.300 to see him

00:44:36.820 yeah

00:44:39.620 this is

00:44:47.280 this is Charlie

00:44:48.000 Kirk and

00:44:48.560 and just

00:44:48.960 this one doesn't

00:44:50.120 have music

00:44:50.460 this is

00:44:50.820 this is Charlie

00:44:51.540 interacting with

00:44:53.220 his daughter

00:44:53.660 and you can see

00:44:54.520 the type of character

00:44:55.280 the man that he was

00:44:55.980 that even though

00:44:56.660 she's three

00:44:57.540 even though she's

00:44:58.120 tiny

00:44:58.440 he's already

00:45:00.240 teaching her

00:45:01.000 about responsibility

00:45:01.920 and you know

00:45:03.280 the duties to be

00:45:04.920 a good person

00:45:05.580 I love you

00:45:08.140 I love you too

00:45:09.080 you don't just get to

00:45:16.420 get everything you want

00:45:17.440 okay well you have to

00:45:22.720 be on very good

00:45:23.340 behavior to get such a

00:45:24.500 thing like this

00:45:25.220 okay hold on hold on

00:45:28.840 you have to behave well

00:45:31.520 did you earn it

00:45:32.960 yeah

00:45:33.880 I know but what did

00:45:35.120 you do for it

00:45:35.880 have you been a good

00:45:40.180 girl

00:45:40.520 yes

00:45:41.880 okay I'll get it

00:45:46.020 and that's how you get

00:45:51.920 good people

00:45:52.420 with good parents

00:45:53.840 they raise their

00:45:55.660 children right

00:45:56.240 from the very beginning

00:45:57.760 here's Charlie

00:46:01.360 trying to save the soul

00:46:02.960 of a bunch of little

00:46:03.680 haulets

00:46:04.060 I think these are a

00:46:09.680 bunch of porn stars

00:46:10.420 or whatever they are

00:46:11.560 on this podcast

00:46:12.600 and I can tell you

00:46:14.600 I'm super blessed

00:46:15.140 I have the best wife

00:46:15.880 in the world

00:46:16.260 we have an amazing life

00:46:17.240 building a family is

00:46:18.020 the coolest thing ever

00:46:18.840 and my prayer for all

00:46:21.080 of you is that you

00:46:21.540 one day can do that

00:46:22.320 it's honestly the

00:46:25.660 most joyful thing

00:46:26.940 and I've had some

00:46:27.760 pretty amazing

00:46:28.320 experiences

00:46:28.880 I've been very

00:46:29.320 very blessed

00:46:29.860 very lucky you could

00:46:31.000 say but very blessed

00:46:31.820 is the word I would

00:46:32.400 use

00:46:32.600 and the greatest

00:46:33.920 joy I've ever had

00:46:34.500 is coming home

00:46:35.000 to my little daughter

00:46:35.720 running up to my leg

00:46:37.120 there's nothing

00:46:37.860 that even comes close

00:46:38.640 to it

00:46:38.860 not flying on Air Force

00:46:40.200 One

00:46:40.460 not meeting with

00:46:41.140 presidents

00:46:41.480 that's all

00:46:42.860 that pales in comparison

00:46:44.140 to your little girl

00:46:45.420 coming up

00:46:45.980 and squeezing your leg

00:46:47.060 melted the hearts

00:46:51.380 of those

00:46:51.880 tarts

00:46:53.140 and why did he do

00:46:56.280 what he did

00:46:57.300 and he's going to

00:46:58.140 explain it in his

00:46:58.760 own words here

00:46:59.440 here he is

00:47:00.620 trying to explain

00:47:01.800 the concept

00:47:02.600 of talking to

00:47:03.860 your enemies

00:47:04.360 as opposed to

00:47:05.040 just fighting them

00:47:05.760 and you can see

00:47:06.920 this leftist woman

00:47:07.740 she simply does not

00:47:09.140 compute

00:47:09.840 what he is trying

00:47:11.320 to tell her

00:47:12.000 I go around universities

00:47:16.180 and have challenging

00:47:17.000 conversations

00:47:17.680 because that's

00:47:19.840 what is so important

00:47:21.700 to our country

00:47:22.940 is to find our

00:47:24.100 disagreements

00:47:24.780 respectfully

00:47:26.060 because when people

00:47:26.860 stop talking

00:47:27.520 that's when violence

00:47:28.180 happens

00:47:28.660 I've never seen

00:47:29.440 someone do this

00:47:30.060 well it's a growing

00:47:30.760 trend because people

00:47:32.240 like me are facing

00:47:33.680 violence

00:47:34.280 assault

00:47:35.280 the left

00:47:36.500 the campus

00:47:38.160 Antifa

00:47:38.740 I've been stormed

00:47:39.840 out of restaurants

00:47:40.560 I've been assaulted

00:47:41.240 publicly

00:47:41.860 multiple death threats

00:47:43.100 there's more people

00:47:45.960 that agree with me

00:47:46.640 than some people

00:47:48.400 would actually believe

00:47:49.540 and they come out

00:47:50.000 of the woodwork

00:47:50.440 when I do stuff

00:47:50.980 like this

00:47:51.380 we record all of it

00:47:52.420 so that we put it

00:47:53.240 on the internet

00:47:53.620 so people can see

00:47:54.480 these ideas collide

00:47:55.460 when people stop

00:47:56.680 talking

00:47:57.120 that's when you

00:47:57.540 get violence

00:47:58.240 that's when

00:47:58.840 civil war happens

00:47:59.700 because you start

00:48:00.480 to think the other

00:48:01.060 side is so evil

00:48:01.820 and they lose

00:48:02.300 their humanity

00:48:02.920 C&G

00:48:04.460 she just simply

00:48:05.360 doesn't understand

00:48:05.920 the concept

00:48:06.520 of what the right

00:48:07.920 is trying to do

00:48:08.500 the right has been

00:48:09.400 trying for years

00:48:10.500 to avoid escalation

00:48:11.860 to avoid violence

00:48:12.800 and the left

00:48:13.960 even a

00:48:15.320 you know

00:48:15.720 mild-mannered

00:48:16.660 leftist woman

00:48:17.780 like that

00:48:18.180 the whole concept

00:48:19.460 does not

00:48:20.200 Charlie Kirk

00:48:21.440 has been instrumental

00:48:22.240 in that as well

00:48:23.700 yes

00:48:24.020 like Charlie Kirk

00:48:24.820 has spoken to

00:48:25.360 way more leftist

00:48:26.180 than I'll ever

00:48:26.640 desire to

00:48:27.300 like this is

00:48:28.480 this has been

00:48:28.940 his entire career

00:48:29.700 I am a centre-right

00:48:30.580 republican

00:48:31.040 I would like to

00:48:32.440 have a dialogue

00:48:33.060 so our country

00:48:33.840 doesn't disintegrate

00:48:35.040 really not an

00:48:36.940 extreme position

00:48:37.800 that's what I said

00:48:38.840 right at the top

00:48:39.360 of the show

00:48:39.780 he was the

00:48:40.720 dialogue guy

00:48:41.640 yeah

00:48:42.120 right he was

00:48:43.280 he was the

00:48:43.800 olive branch

00:48:44.560 really

00:48:45.040 from the right

00:48:46.240 he was a

00:48:47.260 centrist

00:48:47.640 and as milk toast

00:48:48.640 as you could get

00:48:49.280 right

00:48:50.480 yeah

00:48:50.920 yeah

00:48:51.440 and he knew

00:48:53.020 the risks

00:48:53.480 this is him

00:48:54.320 talking about

00:48:55.120 the fact

00:48:55.780 that he knows

00:48:56.540 the left

00:48:57.180 their first choice

00:48:59.400 is violence

00:48:59.860 not dialogue

00:49:00.580 at the core

00:49:03.320 of the left

00:49:04.240 at the core

00:49:05.060 of a liberal

00:49:05.620 is someone

00:49:08.180 that would use

00:49:08.660 the sword

00:49:09.020 if they had

00:49:09.400 it

00:49:09.660 they are very

00:49:11.260 violent people

00:49:11.960 at their core

00:49:12.420 they always have

00:49:13.360 them

00:49:13.560 they can't debate

00:49:16.280 they can't have

00:49:17.140 conversation

00:49:17.680 so they'll resort

00:49:19.140 to these tactics

00:49:20.480 they're gonna do

00:49:21.020 everything they

00:49:21.620 possibly can

00:49:22.340 to try to murder

00:49:23.520 this movement

00:49:23.960 because they

00:49:24.280 can't beat us

00:49:24.840 so they're gonna

00:49:25.400 try to take

00:49:25.860 weapons

00:49:26.220 and no

00:49:27.380 we're very aware

00:49:28.020 of that

00:49:28.200 I'm aware

00:49:28.600 of it

00:49:28.760 we have to

00:49:29.020 have full-time

00:49:29.440 security

00:49:29.820 this is not

00:49:30.480 a joke

00:49:30.800 this is who

00:49:31.400 these people

00:49:31.780 are

00:49:32.340 that was

00:49:35.420 I made the

00:49:39.500 point on the

00:49:39.920 video the other

00:49:40.700 day

00:49:41.120 I'll say it

00:49:42.140 again here

00:49:42.540 historically

00:49:44.540 speaking when

00:49:45.300 you get close

00:49:46.000 to civil wars

00:49:47.060 and rebellions

00:49:47.880 and military

00:49:48.460 coup d'etats

00:49:49.020 and all that

00:49:49.740 sort of thing

00:49:50.180 it's nearly

00:49:52.600 always that

00:49:53.220 the left

00:49:54.160 engage in

00:49:55.340 assassination

00:49:56.160 and violence

00:49:56.740 first

00:49:57.080 and the right

00:49:58.000 react to it

00:49:58.740 there's a reason

00:49:59.120 why they're

00:49:59.600 called reactionaries

00:50:00.500 the forces of

00:50:01.460 reaction

00:50:01.960 yeah because

00:50:02.580 we're reacting

00:50:03.300 to outrages

00:50:04.920 yes

00:50:05.400 and there have

00:50:06.840 been so many

00:50:07.400 I mean

00:50:08.700 all of fascism

00:50:10.300 is a reaction

00:50:11.160 to communism

00:50:11.920 in every time

00:50:13.160 in every place

00:50:13.800 so

00:50:14.900 whenever you've

00:50:16.160 got a communist

00:50:16.660 you can see

00:50:17.120 the fascist

00:50:17.580 coming on the

00:50:18.000 horizon

00:50:18.280 Charlie as ever

00:50:20.780 made some really

00:50:21.280 good points

00:50:21.820 look at him

00:50:23.500 here

00:50:23.740 this is

00:50:24.380 slightly

00:50:25.180 old

00:50:25.360 can I just

00:50:25.660 read this

00:50:25.980 verbatim

00:50:26.420 because this is

00:50:26.800 such a good

00:50:27.160 yes please do

00:50:27.680 assassination

00:50:28.680 culture is spreading

00:50:29.720 on the left

00:50:30.220 48% of

00:50:31.200 liberals

00:50:31.520 say it would

00:50:32.200 be at least

00:50:32.620 somewhat justified

00:50:33.660 to murder

00:50:34.380 Elon Musk

00:50:35.560 55% said the

00:50:37.640 same about

00:50:37.960 Donald Trump

00:50:38.540 in California

00:50:39.500 activists are

00:50:40.100 naming ballot

00:50:40.580 measures after

00:50:41.100 Luigi Magnoni

00:50:42.160 the left is

00:50:43.220 being whipped

00:50:43.660 into a violent

00:50:44.260 frenzy

00:50:44.700 any setback

00:50:45.720 whether losing

00:50:46.320 an election

00:50:46.660 or losing a

00:50:47.180 court case

00:50:47.580 justifies a

00:50:48.320 maximally

00:50:48.780 violent response

00:50:49.620 this is the

00:50:50.440 natural outgrowth

00:50:51.240 of left-wing

00:50:51.740 protest culture

00:50:52.440 tolerating violence

00:50:53.400 and mayhem

00:50:53.880 for years on end

00:50:54.880 the cowardice

00:50:55.720 of local prosecutors

00:50:56.700 and school officials

00:50:57.440 has turned the

00:50:58.360 left into a

00:50:58.980 ticking time bomb

00:50:59.640 never a truer

00:51:01.140 word spoken

00:51:01.900 and then he

00:51:02.820 provides his

00:51:03.300 evidence

00:51:03.680 and look

00:51:04.980 roughly 50%

00:51:05.880 of the US

00:51:06.780 is on the

00:51:07.760 left

00:51:07.980 and 50%

00:51:09.000 of them

00:51:09.560 think that

00:51:11.020 assassination

00:51:11.440 is a perfectly

00:51:12.440 legitimate

00:51:12.940 way of dealing

00:51:14.580 with political

00:51:15.400 difficulties

00:51:15.900 I make this

00:51:17.240 point as well

00:51:17.820 but I'll say

00:51:18.220 it again here

00:51:18.840 that you

00:51:19.220 remember back

00:51:19.720 in 2012

00:51:21.440 or something

00:51:21.860 or other

00:51:22.140 there was this

00:51:22.840 thing of

00:51:23.160 punch a

00:51:24.100 Nazi

00:51:24.480 remember that

00:51:25.560 just

00:51:27.080 actively

00:51:29.820 encouraged

00:51:30.500 if someone's

00:51:31.080 on

00:51:31.400 physical enemy

00:51:33.000 of yours

00:51:33.340 on the right

00:51:33.780 just punch them

00:51:34.540 punch a Nazi

00:51:35.500 don't worry

00:51:35.820 if they are

00:51:36.160 actually a Nazi

00:51:36.920 or anything

00:51:37.200 just punch them

00:51:37.720 well it's one

00:51:38.900 small step

00:51:39.660 from that

00:51:40.260 to shoot them

00:51:41.820 one small step

00:51:42.880 the media

00:51:43.220 encouraged it

00:51:43.820 every step

00:51:44.620 it's not even

00:51:45.260 a step is it

00:51:46.000 it's the path

00:51:47.300 that you're going

00:51:47.820 down

00:51:48.120 you're going

00:51:48.520 to get there

00:51:49.060 whether you

00:51:49.440 like it or not

00:51:50.220 the end of the

00:51:51.060 wedge

00:51:51.240 a very short

00:51:51.940 wedge

00:51:52.300 yes

00:51:52.720 after having

00:51:54.960 shown you

00:51:56.400 the best of us

00:51:58.000 I'm now going

00:51:58.320 to have to

00:51:58.520 show us

00:51:58.820 the worst of us

00:51:59.420 because as I

00:52:00.360 say about

00:52:01.000 25% of America

00:52:02.200 is fine with this

00:52:02.980 and that's very

00:52:04.360 difficult to wrap

00:52:05.220 your head around

00:52:05.880 because if

00:52:07.440 some

00:52:08.740 I don't even

00:52:09.940 know who a

00:52:10.340 milquetoast

00:52:10.980 leftist

00:52:12.100 commentator is

00:52:12.960 anymore

00:52:13.200 because they've

00:52:13.600 all become

00:52:14.000 so radical

00:52:14.820 they've all

00:52:15.260 become so

00:52:15.840 nasty

00:52:16.300 but whoever

00:52:17.760 the most

00:52:18.320 milquetoast

00:52:18.980 centrist

00:52:19.780 democrat was

00:52:20.600 if he got

00:52:21.060 shot tomorrow

00:52:21.760 I'd instantly

00:52:22.820 condemn it

00:52:23.420 and I don't

00:52:24.380 know anyone

00:52:25.060 on the right

00:52:25.940 who would be

00:52:26.700 celebrating it

00:52:27.440 we have examples

00:52:28.200 of this

00:52:28.680 there was

00:52:29.200 a woman in

00:52:30.180 minnesota

00:52:30.620 who was a

00:52:31.160 democrat

00:52:31.580 senator

00:52:32.340 who was shot

00:52:33.200 by a republican

00:52:34.280 and I didn't

00:52:35.460 see any republicans

00:52:36.260 cheering it

00:52:36.800 no not one

00:52:37.500 this is

00:52:39.100 like when joe cox

00:52:40.380 was murdered

00:52:40.920 in 2016

00:52:42.660 was it

00:52:43.020 no one celebrated

00:52:44.280 it

00:52:44.540 even though she's

00:52:45.240 a hardcore

00:52:45.680 feminist

00:52:46.200 leftist

00:52:46.640 and remainer

00:52:47.120 like no

00:52:47.480 no one celebrated

00:52:48.340 it

00:52:48.620 but 25%

00:52:49.820 of america

00:52:50.320 think that

00:52:50.820 this is a

00:52:51.280 tactic

00:52:51.560 and it

00:52:52.940 has been

00:52:53.300 truly depressing

00:52:54.120 going through

00:52:55.320 the left's

00:52:56.140 twitter

00:52:56.400 179,000

00:52:58.180 likes

00:52:58.680 maybe charlie

00:53:01.040 kirkshund

00:53:01.560 has spent

00:53:01.920 years being

00:53:02.400 a hateful

00:53:02.900 demagogic

00:53:03.680 fascist

00:53:04.340 and this

00:53:04.840 wouldn't

00:53:05.060 have happened

00:53:05.500 like you

00:53:06.520 say

00:53:06.720 180,000

00:53:08.160 likes

00:53:08.520 but interesting

00:53:10.020 how she's

00:53:11.080 taking responsibility

00:53:12.100 for this

00:53:12.680 murder

00:53:12.940 from the

00:53:13.780 left

00:53:14.400 we the

00:53:15.580 left

00:53:15.840 killed him

00:53:16.380 and that's

00:53:16.760 why this

00:53:17.080 demagogic

00:53:17.680 fascist

00:53:18.100 got what

00:53:18.380 he deserved

00:53:20.000 an upright

00:53:21.740 upstanding

00:53:22.780 family man

00:53:23.560 is a

00:53:24.060 hateful

00:53:24.480 fascist

00:53:25.080 and even

00:53:26.340 though

00:53:26.520 ideologically

00:53:27.220 charlie's

00:53:27.740 the furthest

00:53:28.180 thing

00:53:28.440 from a

00:53:28.900 fascist

00:53:29.420 look at

00:53:31.420 this

00:53:31.560 f these

00:53:31.980 people

00:53:32.200 i do

00:53:32.460 not

00:53:32.620 care

00:53:32.860 they have

00:53:33.420 grifted

00:53:33.880 tirelessly

00:53:34.340 for years

00:53:34.760 to tear

00:53:35.120 this

00:53:35.300 country

00:53:35.600 apart

00:53:36.100 making

00:53:36.980 everything

00:53:37.340 worse

00:53:37.640 and putting

00:53:37.900 us all

00:53:38.200 in danger

00:53:38.700 charlie

00:53:39.560 kirk

00:53:39.880 wouldn't

00:53:40.160 piss

00:53:40.400 on you

00:53:40.700 to put

00:53:40.960 you

00:53:41.060 out

00:53:41.180 if

00:53:41.320 you

00:53:41.360 were

00:53:41.440 on

00:53:41.560 fire

00:53:41.900 an

00:53:42.340 evil

00:53:42.540 man

00:53:42.720 who

00:53:42.860 sold

00:53:43.020 his

00:53:43.140 humanity

00:53:43.400 long

00:53:43.620 go

00:53:43.760 that

00:53:44.200 is

00:53:44.340 just

00:53:44.680 so

00:53:45.160 obviously

00:53:45.760 not an

00:53:46.340 accurate

00:53:46.680 description

00:53:47.140 of it

00:53:47.440 that's a

00:53:48.520 that's a

00:53:48.940 description

00:53:49.240 of her

00:53:49.920 that's how

00:53:50.820 she feels

00:53:51.760 yes

00:53:52.240 and she

00:53:52.560 has projected

00:53:53.140 that onto

00:53:53.780 someone who

00:53:54.620 obviously

00:53:55.200 does all

00:53:55.640 left

00:53:55.840 characterization

00:53:56.320 is projection

00:53:57.640 it's all

00:53:58.280 there

00:53:58.420 here's another

00:53:59.420 couple of

00:53:59.800 regular

00:54:00.060 democrats

00:54:00.460 i mean

00:54:00.740 you wouldn't

00:54:02.100 think anything

00:54:02.600 was odd

00:54:03.020 if these

00:54:03.280 guys queued

00:54:03.760 up next

00:54:04.060 to you

00:54:04.300 in the

00:54:04.460 you know

00:54:05.160 starbucks

00:54:05.880 or something

00:54:06.260 this is a

00:54:07.320 just a

00:54:07.700 couple of

00:54:07.980 regular

00:54:08.240 democrats

00:54:08.920 who decided

00:54:09.620 that you

00:54:10.020 know

00:54:10.080 they were

00:54:10.280 walking past

00:54:10.800 a vigil

00:54:11.240 for charlie

00:54:12.520 kirk

00:54:12.900 and they

00:54:13.860 couldn't help

00:54:14.400 themselves

00:54:14.960 do you

00:54:17.080 support his

00:54:17.580 death

00:54:17.880 i do

00:54:18.840 you support

00:54:19.960 his death

00:54:20.260 you support

00:54:21.720 charlie kirk

00:54:22.160 being killed

00:54:22.600 yes i do

00:54:23.220 on the day

00:54:23.780 he died

00:54:24.100 you're here

00:54:24.420 at a vigil

00:54:25.000 for charlie

00:54:26.200 kirk

00:54:26.400 and you

00:54:26.620 support

00:54:26.920 his death

00:54:27.320 no i don't

00:54:29.820 support a

00:54:30.120 nazi

00:54:30.320 charlie kirk

00:54:30.680 wasn't a

00:54:31.040 nazi

00:54:31.300 yeah

00:54:32.520 this guy

00:54:35.100 who was

00:54:35.520 attending

00:54:35.820 one of

00:54:36.500 these

00:54:36.640 vigils

00:54:36.900 he was

00:54:38.760 actually

00:54:38.980 attacked

00:54:39.380 by some

00:54:40.040 democrats

00:54:40.480 for the

00:54:41.660 crime

00:54:42.160 of remembering

00:54:43.140 a 31

00:54:44.100 year old

00:54:44.440 family man

00:54:45.060 who was

00:54:46.680 brutally

00:54:46.940 killed

00:54:47.300 this is

00:54:51.120 this is

00:54:51.480 the toughest

00:54:51.820 part

00:54:52.040 this is

00:54:52.360 actually

00:54:52.600 a girl

00:54:52.860 who was

00:54:53.160 there

00:54:53.480 she was

00:54:56.060 in the

00:54:56.320 stand

00:54:56.540 and she

00:54:56.940 gives you

00:54:57.240 her reaction

00:54:57.660 seeing

00:54:58.180 leftists

00:54:58.720 celebrate

00:54:59.140 i just

00:55:00.820 witnessed

00:55:01.120 charlie

00:55:01.420 kirk

00:55:01.660 get

00:55:01.800 assassinated

00:55:02.360 it was

00:55:03.020 the most

00:55:03.360 awful

00:55:03.660 thing

00:55:03.920 i've

00:55:04.080 ever

00:55:04.300 seen

00:55:04.520 in my

00:55:04.740 life

00:55:05.120 he

00:55:07.040 shot him

00:55:07.440 in the

00:55:07.660 neck

00:55:07.900 and blood

00:55:08.380 went

00:55:08.620 everywhere

00:55:09.100 and the

00:55:10.120 worst part

00:55:10.600 of it all

00:55:11.080 was

00:55:12.140 the liberals

00:55:13.520 who were

00:55:14.000 there

00:55:14.300 were cheering

00:55:15.740 so i

00:55:16.760 just have

00:55:17.060 one thing

00:55:17.440 to say

00:55:17.900 so

00:55:19.740 yeah i

00:55:21.080 mean that's

00:55:21.520 exactly

00:55:21.980 what they

00:55:22.780 started

00:55:23.060 cheering

00:55:23.400 you know

00:55:24.620 it's really

00:55:25.480 weird i got a

00:55:26.340 dm after this

00:55:27.100 from shoe on

00:55:27.600 head i haven't

00:55:28.660 spoken to her

00:55:29.360 for like seven

00:55:30.100 years because

00:55:31.400 like she

00:55:32.620 became a

00:55:33.300 socialist and

00:55:33.880 i was like

00:55:35.260 well i'm

00:55:35.760 right wing i

00:55:36.520 guess and

00:55:37.660 we she had a

00:55:38.860 you know we

00:55:39.240 had a bit of a

00:55:39.660 spurg out of

00:55:40.240 each other because

00:55:40.780 i was like

00:55:41.420 socialists are

00:55:42.000 bad people and

00:55:43.020 she had a go at

00:55:43.620 me and so she

00:55:44.240 messaged me last

00:55:44.860 night being like

00:55:45.260 i'm really sorry

00:55:45.860 you were right

00:55:46.520 yeah and i was

00:55:47.280 like there's

00:55:47.640 nothing to forgive

00:55:48.240 don't worry about

00:55:48.780 it it's totally

00:55:50.420 fine you know i

00:55:51.180 hope you're doing

00:55:51.540 well uh this

00:55:52.500 one is infuriating

00:55:53.240 so yeah that

00:55:54.220 that young family

00:55:55.100 those little that

00:55:56.060 little girl and

00:55:56.600 that little boy

00:55:57.060 are going to

00:55:57.300 grow up without

00:55:57.680 a parent um

00:55:59.380 and this is uh

00:56:00.480 this is a young

00:56:01.060 leftist reacting to

00:56:01.960 the news i have

00:56:03.860 breaking news we

00:56:06.680 think that charlie

00:56:08.380 kirk just got

00:56:10.800 just because of

00:56:12.440 the music but

00:56:13.120 yeah yeah no

00:56:14.860 that's all right

00:56:17.000 remember don't

00:56:18.420 take the bait she

00:56:19.800 is trying to rage

00:56:20.800 bait you that's

00:56:21.700 literally it well

00:56:23.140 she's showing us

00:56:23.720 who she is yeah

00:56:24.520 all right yeah

00:56:25.160 yeah yeah thing

00:56:26.440 is when you're

00:56:27.180 young like that

00:56:28.020 god knows how

00:56:28.540 old she is um

00:56:29.980 and you've never

00:56:31.100 experienced loss

00:56:32.480 yeah i'm just

00:56:33.720 gonna play you've

00:56:34.160 never really

00:56:34.760 experienced um

00:56:36.140 yeah they got

00:56:36.600 charlie kirk bro

00:56:37.520 you've never

00:56:38.000 experienced real

00:56:38.820 horror or anything

00:56:39.840 like that yeah

00:56:40.520 um you just

00:56:41.840 don't know

00:56:42.660 yeah

00:56:45.200 honestly it's not

00:56:46.560 that difficult even

00:56:47.360 even if you're even

00:56:48.620 if you're 19

00:56:49.280 i'm not trying to

00:56:50.360 make excuses

00:56:50.960 but they're

00:56:51.740 despicable

00:56:52.100 obviously

00:56:52.660 right though

00:56:53.180 to them this is

00:56:54.080 entirely theoretical

00:56:55.220 right yeah

00:56:55.800 completely abstract

00:56:56.660 that's sort of the

00:56:57.220 point i'm trying to

00:56:57.800 make you know

00:56:58.300 if if this was

00:56:59.360 happening in front

00:56:59.860 of them they

00:57:00.180 wouldn't have this

00:57:00.820 reaction i imagine

00:57:01.660 life would come

00:57:03.240 with them a lot

00:57:03.600 harder

00:57:03.900 it's all larping

00:57:05.220 yeah it's uh

00:57:06.580 it's just pure

00:57:07.040 larping as far as

00:57:08.040 they're concerned

00:57:08.760 i would have

00:57:09.300 thought

00:57:09.400 well you say

00:57:09.800 that it's also

00:57:10.840 virtue signaling

00:57:11.460 and at least

00:57:12.020 yeah i'm virtue

00:57:12.540 signaling yeah

00:57:13.440 at least with

00:57:13.880 these people

00:57:14.440 they've got the

00:57:15.540 excuse they're

00:57:16.280 young idiots who

00:57:17.100 don't know anything

00:57:17.680 yeah um but i

00:57:19.120 mean there is

00:57:19.620 countless and i

00:57:21.100 had to go through

00:57:21.580 it my morning um

00:57:22.980 it was it was just

00:57:23.980 it was the it was

00:57:24.800 the toughest morning

00:57:25.400 i've ever had here

00:57:26.060 because it was it

00:57:27.200 was spent going

00:57:27.840 through um charlie

00:57:29.240 kirk's family photos

00:57:30.300 and left is

00:57:31.880 celebrating

00:57:32.360 one after the

00:57:34.180 other but at

00:57:35.180 least these people

00:57:35.660 have the excuse

00:57:36.240 of being young

00:57:37.160 idiots yeah um

00:57:38.620 what what's the

00:57:39.780 excuse of this

00:57:42.580 democrats in the

00:57:43.360 house start booing

00:57:44.740 when they try and

00:57:45.560 have a moment of

00:57:46.100 silence for charlie

00:57:47.100 kirk really wow

00:57:48.760 i've not seen this

00:57:49.480 we watch it

00:57:50.120 it's it's it's

00:57:51.120 infuriating it's

00:57:52.020 it's quite a long

00:57:52.660 clip if you know

00:57:53.260 which bit it is

00:57:54.680 but um it

00:57:55.860 genuinely i was

00:57:56.720 watching what

00:57:57.140 purposes a

00:57:57.540 gentle lady from

00:57:57.980 colorado rise

00:57:58.640 yeah there we

00:58:09.460 go there's a

00:58:09.820 ruckus at the

00:58:10.260 back they won't

00:58:10.620 show up for it

00:58:11.100 yeah it's like the

00:58:15.580 idea that i mean

00:58:17.540 it's just crazy like

00:58:18.620 again i just think

00:58:19.640 of the conservative

00:58:20.560 reaction to the

00:58:21.340 murder of joe cox

00:58:22.140 which was entirely

00:58:23.680 gentlemanly right it

00:58:26.060 was you know oh

00:58:26.760 yeah no this this

00:58:27.720 is a real step in

00:58:29.180 the wrong direction

00:58:30.040 for the polity

00:58:31.440 itself and you

00:58:32.800 have to respect

00:58:33.480 that you know

00:58:34.560 whether you like

00:58:35.040 it or not because

00:58:35.580 if you don't then

00:58:36.280 you are kind of

00:58:37.120 declaring yeah we

00:58:38.480 are at war and

00:58:40.080 actually the more

00:58:41.020 of your guys that

00:58:41.660 die the better

00:58:42.380 yeah because we

00:58:43.300 aren't citizens we

00:58:44.380 aren't countries i

00:58:45.100 genuinely don't want

00:58:46.360 keir starmer taken

00:58:47.380 out or any of them

00:58:48.580 dead i want him to

00:58:50.360 lose his job yeah i

00:58:51.940 want him to resign i

00:58:52.980 don't want him dead

00:58:53.900 no not at all my

00:58:54.800 god um i mean this

00:58:57.820 goes on um yeah here

00:58:59.540 we get elizabeth um

00:59:00.620 and and she hasn't

00:59:01.360 got the excuse of

00:59:02.040 not knowing she's not

00:59:03.300 the got the excuse of

00:59:04.180 being 19 and stupid

00:59:05.320 uh she's one of the

00:59:06.360 perpetrators she was

00:59:07.560 actually asked um you

00:59:09.220 know maybe democrats

00:59:10.320 need to tone down this

00:59:11.320 this rhetoric a little

00:59:12.500 bit this is her answer

00:59:13.640 oh please right why

00:59:17.720 don't you start with

00:59:18.300 the president of the

00:59:19.020 united states right and

00:59:21.500 every ugly name he

00:59:23.740 has posted and every

00:59:25.740 ugly word but you

00:59:29.220 guys started it with

00:59:30.280 him he was do you

00:59:31.780 not remember in like

00:59:32.420 2015 2016 when he was

00:59:33.980 running when he was

00:59:35.420 he was trying to be

00:59:37.380 like conciliatory his

00:59:39.360 his entire early career

00:59:41.160 was conciliatory he

00:59:42.580 thought he would be

00:59:43.220 able to unite them and

00:59:44.440 lead everyone by just

00:59:46.240 winning the election it

00:59:47.880 is almost like trying to

00:59:50.200 be conciliatory is just

00:59:51.500 simply a waste of time

00:59:52.380 with these people um i'll

00:59:56.320 try and do this one

00:59:56.920 without too much

00:59:57.420 commentary rabbi

00:59:59.240 shmuley uh put out a

01:00:01.320 message saying charlie

01:00:02.560 kirk has been killed i

01:00:04.180 need to raise money off

01:00:05.000 the back of this i just

01:00:06.020 want to from now on

01:00:07.680 flat ban on ever

01:00:09.360 featuring rabbi

01:00:10.280 shmuley in anything

01:00:11.140 yeah no matter what

01:00:13.040 happens we don't ever

01:00:14.500 need to feature him

01:00:15.100 again i find it

01:00:15.820 disgusting yeah

01:00:16.820 totally um infuriating

01:00:18.740 this is this was very

01:00:21.980 mask off so this is

01:00:23.100 tmz they were doing a

01:00:24.400 broadcast oh yeah um

01:00:26.440 and i'll just i'll just

01:00:28.100 prime it for people who

01:00:28.900 don't know so you know

01:00:29.720 what you're listening for

01:00:30.380 so they're doing this

01:00:31.560 whole long broadcast about

01:00:32.760 charlie kirk having been

01:00:33.880 shot everybody everywhere

01:00:35.560 everyone who's in the

01:00:36.320 news is glued to this

01:00:37.740 yeah

01:00:38.040 and while he's while he's

01:00:42.140 talking about this you

01:00:44.140 hear cheering and

01:00:45.040 whooping in the background

01:00:45.960 and a second later it gets

01:00:47.240 buzzed through to his

01:00:47.980 earpiece that charlie kirk

01:00:50.020 is dead um let's watch

01:00:51.980 this um janet go

01:00:55.980 go go to um have

01:01:02.820 somebody look at the um

01:01:05.140 fox

01:01:05.540 trump just posted that

01:01:11.380 charlie kirk is dead

01:01:12.500 well these are the these are

01:01:16.960 the people we're dealing

01:01:17.560 with and everyone should

01:01:18.220 know it the producers got

01:01:19.560 it in the background they

01:01:21.200 cheered and whooped first and

01:01:22.460 then they buzzed it through

01:01:23.160 to his earpiece now he could

01:01:27.060 he could see how bad this

01:01:29.360 looks for tmz yeah they're

01:01:31.700 actually owned by fox news

01:01:32.640 now i think they were

01:01:33.200 recently acquired like a few

01:01:34.360 years ago oh really um i

01:01:36.540 checked they don't get any

01:01:37.260 federal funding but i mean he

01:01:38.760 he can obviously he he's

01:01:40.040 looking like oh my god did

01:01:41.140 the mics pick up that

01:01:42.320 background noise and then

01:01:43.980 what happens a little later

01:01:44.820 on is another guy comes over

01:01:46.060 who who knows that it was

01:01:47.640 picked up on the background

01:01:48.520 noise and he comes up with

01:01:50.080 an off-the-cuff excuse that

01:01:52.020 the reason they were cheering

01:01:52.900 is because they were watching

01:01:53.920 a car chase oh yeah yeah sure

01:01:56.320 and that's the way they were

01:01:57.360 cheering nobody has ever

01:01:58.880 whooped and cheered like that

01:02:00.320 for a car chase and furthermore

01:02:01.780 there were no car chases going

01:02:03.280 on in california at that time

01:02:04.520 so and but now that because

01:02:07.800 that was the off-the-cuff

01:02:08.760 excuse that's what tmz are

01:02:10.140 going to have to go with

01:02:11.040 they're going to try and find

01:02:12.460 some some historical example

01:02:14.240 that for whatever reason the

01:02:15.580 background staff happened to

01:02:16.500 be watching for some reason

01:02:17.760 obvious bullshit obviously

01:02:19.580 obvious to say but it is the

01:02:21.040 measure of their character

01:02:22.180 the measure of the people that

01:02:23.980 you'd whoop and cheer is so

01:02:26.700 you're so you're murderous your

01:02:28.320 intent is murderous yeah there's

01:02:31.260 another way of saying it they're

01:02:32.900 happy about it and there's no

01:02:33.980 doubt about that as charlie

01:02:36.460 kirk says you can tell a lot

01:02:37.500 about a person about how they

01:02:38.960 react when somebody dies

01:02:40.020 exactly right you nailed it

01:02:44.620 destiny watch destiny i won't

01:02:49.240 make you watch it uh but his

01:02:51.300 thing was he was having a hard

01:02:53.220 go at people who were

01:02:54.540 disavowing it oh really so he

01:02:56.340 was attacking other leftists who

01:02:58.040 were disavowing it and look well

01:03:00.580 he wants to claim it for the left

01:03:02.020 you said you mean i mean they're

01:03:03.720 all claiming for the left

01:03:04.680 okay so okay yep but i mean his

01:03:08.260 son is now a full-on austrian

01:03:12.020 painter fan yes so you know a

01:03:14.640 griper disavowed by his own

01:03:16.740 father um here starmer tried to

01:03:20.940 get the tone right although claimed

01:03:23.000 that we must debate openly and

01:03:24.660 freely without fear there could be

01:03:26.200 no justification for political

01:03:27.480 violence so the man who has spent

01:03:28.960 his entire time and office

01:03:30.920 closing down i will i will lock

01:03:33.600 you up we are coming for you we'll

01:03:35.720 have 24-hour courts guarantee yeah

01:03:38.040 yeah i guarantee you will regret

01:03:40.020 this this is the man who takes away

01:03:42.220 every single option apart from

01:03:44.640 political violence is now saying

01:03:46.560 that we need open and free speech i

01:03:48.000 mean tommy ray showing the hell out

01:03:49.460 of him there are you for real you'd

01:03:51.300 have had him locked up for speaking

01:03:52.680 the truth you coward totally true and

01:03:54.920 connor's good on that yeah you put a

01:03:57.840 target on the back of every person

01:03:59.180 you label far right that's totally

01:04:01.000 true you're playing the same deadly

01:04:02.580 games as the democrats in the us

01:04:03.800 totally correct in fact all of our

01:04:06.300 guys are underneath just giving him

01:04:08.000 hell which is great um but yeah this

01:04:10.360 the the brass neck on him honestly i

01:04:13.640 will acknowledge however um that as i

01:04:16.660 showed you that graphic earlier half of

01:04:18.380 democrats think it's politically

01:04:19.940 acceptable to shoot people that's the

01:04:22.160 scale of the problem there is the

01:04:23.500 other half um check you got it

01:04:25.640 actually right here he is responding

01:04:26.860 to one of his followers who was

01:04:28.560 celebrating this and actually he's

01:04:30.140 he's subsequently put out a video as

01:04:31.840 well can we watch it because it's

01:04:32.980 actually like of all the people

01:04:34.280 yep who i thought would not land on

01:04:36.140 the right side of the argument

01:04:37.220 cenk yugo was he's actually a human

01:04:40.320 being at the end of the day yes

01:04:41.680 charlie kirk was shot in utah uh giving

01:04:45.140 a speech there i just found out he's

01:04:48.100 passed away i can't believe he's dead

01:04:50.280 he was shot in the neck some of you

01:04:52.280 might have seen an elderly man being

01:04:53.680 dragged away turns out it was not him

01:04:55.320 authorities don't know who did it

01:04:57.540 violence is not the answer this is a

01:05:00.400 horrific tragedy and it we're all in

01:05:03.880 danger now this is a terrible terrible

01:05:06.400 thing to do violence is intellectual

01:05:09.400 surrender it's giving up and saying i'm

01:05:11.440 a loser i don't know how to win in a

01:05:13.840 battle of ideas i'm going to resort to

01:05:15.980 violence like an animal it is the very

01:05:18.220 last thing anyone who's progressive or

01:05:20.740 on the left would ever do we are for

01:05:23.260 non-violence we are for peace we are for

01:05:25.540 uh our fellow human beings and i think

01:05:28.680 much better of cenk having seen this

01:05:30.140 yeah um he he got the tone actually

01:05:32.300 right and and the part of his own skin

01:05:34.800 he says we're all in danger now yeah

01:05:37.040 yeah yeah there was that yeah um i don't

01:05:40.260 think i need to i think i can just play

01:05:41.840 this one without sound but this is a

01:05:43.680 this is a leftist that i'm not familiar

01:05:45.640 with but apparently he's some zoomer

01:05:47.340 podcaster that's doing quite well i mean

01:05:49.840 he he broke down in tears at this um and

01:05:52.440 he gave life and kids yeah and he gave a

01:05:55.380 genuine reaction the interesting thing

01:05:57.100 about this kid is his audience went to

01:06:00.100 war with him really yes well it doesn't

01:06:02.840 surprise me his his audience was

01:06:04.820 absolutely furious with him um and he's

01:06:07.900 getting cultivating these psychos for

01:06:09.520 years like they've genuinely been

01:06:11.300 cultivating an audience of psychopaths i

01:06:13.560 saw hassan trying to play it off on his

01:06:15.720 stream being like oh wow guys i'm so

01:06:17.780 bothered and his chat's like don't fed

01:06:19.480 post don't they post they know what

01:06:20.880 they think they know what they want to

01:06:22.880 say they just know they get hassan

01:06:24.680 banned from twitch if they did it so

01:06:26.640 they're just like yeah okay hassan we're

01:06:28.420 not going to fed post but we're going to

01:06:29.640 think it

01:06:30.060 yeah and i gotta say um i'm not yet at

01:06:34.380 the anger stage on this i'm still in

01:06:36.280 the in the shock and sadness um emotional

01:06:39.300 stage of this i think the anger will

01:06:40.700 come i think my reaction personally is

01:06:42.740 very different to the reaction with

01:06:43.940 trump because i mean as you said

01:06:47.040 before that i think you were saying

01:06:47.840 before the podcast with trump it kind

01:06:49.600 of immediately flipped into a wind when

01:06:51.600 he was standing up there and he was

01:06:52.720 pumping the thirst there's that but but

01:06:54.600 also that that that guy did die um in

01:06:58.640 the background that father in the

01:06:59.640 background he did die and and i've been

01:07:01.360 trying to think why am i reacting so

01:07:02.940 why did i react um with immediate sort

01:07:05.780 of anger to the trump thing and yet i

01:07:07.660 haven't even got to anger with this yet

01:07:09.320 um and i think it's because taking

01:07:13.520 shots at the president even though it's

01:07:15.700 despicable and all the rest of it at

01:07:17.820 least the president is in the kinetic

01:07:20.300 sphere

01:07:20.760 yeah he's an elected political figure

01:07:23.140 charlie kirk was a commentator

01:07:24.680 yeah i mean but but trump you know

01:07:26.720 will drop missiles on sulaimani or

01:07:29.380 whatever you know he's in the realm of

01:07:31.940 that

01:07:32.420 charlie was just a decent man having

01:07:36.240 conversations and i think that's why

01:07:37.820 it's hit me so differently and i think

01:07:39.080 it was hit a lot of people just just so

01:07:41.480 differently the he was doing his

01:07:43.240 democratic duty that's what democracy

01:07:46.060 is meant to be a series of debates on

01:07:48.800 ideas to decide what we actually think

01:07:51.020 and then we'll have a vote on it so we

01:07:52.820 avoid having to kill each other that's

01:07:55.020 the entire purpose of democracy that's

01:07:56.580 the moral legitimacy of democracy well

01:07:58.700 and that's and that's my point about

01:08:00.220 with this question because that's kind

01:08:01.580 of where i'm leaning into don't make

01:08:03.000 peace with evil destroy it um faraz

01:08:05.620 actually absolutely nailed this one he's

01:08:08.220 talking about because there's a lot of

01:08:10.600 energy here that maybe the right have

01:08:13.300 had enough

01:08:13.760 maybe there is going to be what you

01:08:16.500 talked about earlier the reaction there

01:08:17.940 was going to be pushback and and this is

01:08:19.480 worth reading he says no one's saying

01:08:21.500 relishes civil war

01:08:22.540 you get thuggish militars checkpoints

01:08:25.760 where decent people disappear or die

01:08:27.760 criminals running your streets random

01:08:30.200 murders for inane perceived slights the

01:08:32.800 endless robberies indiscriminate

01:08:34.520 shelling injustice upon injustice

01:08:36.880 deprivation and worse but this is the

01:08:39.740 direction travel now so he's warning

01:08:42.860 about the dangers of civil war but this

01:08:44.880 this is the correct point from lebanon

01:08:46.640 and has seen this first yes just gonna

01:08:48.200 say he actually knows he actually knows

01:08:49.940 how bad this can get actually knows

01:08:51.880 yeah it is up to trump to make sure the

01:08:54.920 left is thoroughly and comprehensively

01:08:57.300 crushed because otherwise this is

01:08:59.680 exactly what will happen and it won't

01:09:01.840 just be america it will be the entire

01:09:03.560 west it will be one local conflict

01:09:05.920 after another yes it is on trump and his

01:09:09.580 guys to crush the problem is the even if

01:09:15.000 he physically crushed them he has to

01:09:17.380 destroy the moral legitimacy of the

01:09:19.120 philosophy that's the problem feel like

01:09:21.460 that was always on shaky ground and now

01:09:24.160 is more or less destroyed isn't it i mean

01:09:26.520 it was it's not for us to decide i mean

01:09:29.060 obviously we think that but the average

01:09:31.060 person has to recoil when someone says

01:09:33.360 yeah i'm pro-trans in the same way that

01:09:36.140 we recoil from someone saying oh yeah i'm

01:09:37.940 pro-hitler yeah that's that's it's got to

01:09:40.760 end up like should we see how trump

01:09:42.380 reacted to this to this to this point let

01:09:44.780 me just play you a minute time for all

01:09:46.380 americans and the media to confront the

01:09:49.300 fact that violence and murder are the

01:09:51.920 tragic consequence of demonizing those with

01:09:55.540 whom you disagree day after day year after

01:09:58.420 year in the most hateful and despicable way

01:10:01.600 possible for years those on the radical left

01:10:05.320 have compared wonderful americans like

01:10:08.000 charlie to nazis and the world's worst

01:10:11.120 mass murderers and criminals this kind of

01:10:15.040 rhetoric is directly responsible for the

01:10:18.060 terrorism that we're seeing in our country

01:10:20.820 today and it must stop right now my

01:10:25.800 administration will find each and every one

01:10:28.400 of those who contributed to this atrocity and

01:10:31.680 to other political violence including the

01:10:34.060 organizations that fund it and support it as

01:10:37.340 well as those who go after our judges law

01:10:40.760 enforcement officials and everyone else who

01:10:43.680 brings order to our country from the attack on

01:10:47.140 my life in butler pennsylvania last year which

01:10:50.500 killed a husband and father to the attacks on

01:10:53.260 ice agents to the vicious murder of a

01:10:56.220 health care executive in the streets of new

01:10:58.440 york to the shooting of house majority

01:11:01.480 leader steve scalise and three others

01:11:03.700 radical left political violence has hurt too

01:11:06.980 many innocent people and taken too many

01:11:10.180 lives tonight i ask all americans to commit

01:11:13.520 themselves to the american values for which

01:11:16.120 charlie kirk lived and died the values of free

01:11:20.320 speech citizenship the rule of law and the

01:11:24.420 patriotic devotion and love of god charlie was

01:11:28.240 the best of america so i think he's absolutely

01:11:30.940 right and i just hope he follows through in

01:11:32.560 this yeah it's a strong statement it's great

01:11:34.900 to hear um it's terrible i can't tell that it's

01:11:37.440 not ai one of the things i would say is you

01:11:39.800 know they could have before now um you know

01:11:45.240 they will know like the antifa cell in seattle or

01:11:50.800 wherever and the funders like they'll know which

01:11:54.120 judges are uh like soros for which da's are sort of

01:11:58.900 soros funded and they'll sort of know those it's the

01:12:01.700 political will to actually make them terrorist or take

01:12:04.840 them out take them down declare them as a terrorist

01:12:07.960 organization and anyone connecting giving uh aid and

01:12:11.960 sucker to is arrested that's what there has to be this is a

01:12:15.520 terrorist organization and the thing is we've been saying this

01:12:17.400 for years even like i remember back in like 2016 2017

01:12:19.740 when they first started doing all this it's like okay this is terrorism

01:12:23.140 and then they shot um what was his name harold danielson or something like

01:12:26.900 that aaron danielson i think it was

01:12:28.160 in california there's just a shooting of a trump supporter

01:12:31.180 by an antifa guy so look this is just terrorism

01:12:33.320 this is just straight up terrorism at this point

01:12:35.440 they need to be outlawed yeah and i think what's going to happen here

01:12:39.440 is that there is going to be a sorting mechanism the left is going to split

01:12:42.460 between the spiteful mutants who are cheering on

01:12:45.380 the death to the more decent but misguided leftists like chenk

01:12:49.900 who who just they're just wrong but they're fine they're decent people

01:12:53.380 and the right i think is going to lose a lot of moderates and gain a lot of

01:12:57.480 radicals and you know a lot of people are

01:13:00.020 you know saying yeah i'm actually if trump was a dictator i'd be fine with that

01:13:03.600 i don't i don't agree with this line of thought though i don't but a lot of

01:13:06.900 people are thinking it i know i know i just want to say no trump's already the

01:13:11.060 president he already has plenty of executive power

01:13:13.340 he can deal with this problem let's get to some comments

01:13:15.900 one quick thing i'll say is this is obviously a spectrum

01:13:19.160 right from being uh some sort of liberal who would never ever use the powers of

01:13:24.680 the state at all a complete laissez-faire in every

01:13:27.280 respect then you've got a full-blown military dictator

01:13:31.180 like a sulla style dictator right now we we've just lived ever since uh well

01:13:36.900 ever since the war world or two certainly in the last two or three

01:13:40.040 decades we've been right down the the end of the the non-authoritarian

01:13:46.100 yeah so so to not trump someone like trump a little bit of iron needs to only

01:13:51.220 needs to notch it up a bit yes he needs to notch it up a bit to start

01:13:54.680 tackling it there's a whole spectrum it's not just

01:13:57.980 right bill clinton or um tito right there's a whole there's a whole

01:14:03.540 so so so just just just before we go to comments samson do you want to go full

01:14:07.820 screen on this for a moment um charlie james kirk born 14th of october

01:14:13.140 1993 in the chicago suburbs of arlington heights

01:14:16.860 charlie was shot and killed at the age of 31 while speaking at the campus of utah

01:14:22.020 valley university on september 10th 2025

01:14:25.300 so there are obviously an awful lot of comments uh expressing deep sympathy and

01:14:34.920 gratitude for charlie uh which i'm just gonna summarize by saying thank you and

01:14:38.840 we share them obviously um it would take far too long to read each individual one

01:14:43.640 out um the shadow band says the last two days we've seen the unedited video of

01:14:47.980 iri irinya irinya i can't pronounce it on the train and then now charlie

01:14:53.160 watching people die must have some effect on our brains no matter how many video

01:14:56.240 games we've played well this this honestly i think we have

01:14:59.640 to understand that we are moving into a new world

01:15:01.640 right i genuinely feel this is a kind of liminal moment that we are passing

01:15:05.560 through here and that will be different men on the

01:15:08.100 other side of it uh for good or for ill frankly whether we like it or not

01:15:12.480 um you're not in control of the events

01:15:15.820 and so you just have to control your own response to the events uh obviously and

01:15:21.160 i shouldn't have to say this but i'm going to uh don't do anything stupid

01:15:25.040 don't do anything that plays into any kind of frame that there's been set up for

01:15:29.060 you do what you think is actually correct and

01:15:31.600 virtuous do not do something stupid um is it possible to save these comments

01:15:37.300 and make a separate video later um maybe maybe or or i assume the producers yeah

01:15:45.240 um but uh but i will go through some we've got some yeah some people have um spent a lot of

01:15:51.420 money i know that's why i'm going to go through some okay i don't want to just uh make uh people

01:15:56.300 think that there's nothing to uh anything things uh robert says uh long time gold tier listener

01:16:01.580 first time listening live keep up the great work well thank you very much and thank you for

01:16:05.740 joining us uh this honestly is a really rough like 24 hours actually i got a bugger all sleep

01:16:14.240 last night like most people and it's just very stressful um zx says it's a time of mourning

01:16:21.740 conservatives need to find their peace with the hatred targeted against them for just speaking out

01:16:25.480 and resolve to keep bringing the truth to maintain maintain clear-eyed honesty in the face of evil

01:16:29.900 yeah i think that's a really great comment i really support that um we just have to be committed to

01:16:35.220 what is genuinely true this this is why i was not in favor of any of the conspiracy theories or just

01:16:40.760 assuming that it was a leftist off the bat like we don't know you know we didn't know what it is and

01:16:46.720 we still don't know uh there is evidence that indicates which and we can make a bunch of

01:16:52.760 assumptions but until we have uh concrete proof i really don't want to come down hard on one side

01:16:58.540 or the other i just feel like i'd be just making things worse and i don't want to make things worse

01:17:05.080 uh vinnie says as a vet an avid gun collector 200 yards isn't that far at all for a scoped bolt

01:17:12.220 action rifle an elevation has less than an effect on drops as you're shooting downwards according to

01:17:16.380 crowder and a source they found the rifle not but not the shooter yeah we we covered it so someone

01:17:21.100 else quickly say over 200 yards his personal rifle has zero bullet drop really that's what someone

01:17:26.540 just said no no i believe um yeah i don't think it's that tough of a shot anyway yeah freeman die

01:17:34.900 free says i'm a very hard right and cap in the u.s beneath the surface you can't comprehend the silent

01:17:39.260 rage over this unless you live over here the american right is on the verge to snap if they do it doesn't

01:17:44.160 stop well i mean i just i'm always very clear to stress that i believe there are democratic solutions

01:17:51.400 we should follow them um i don't think we should willingly radicalize and i realize it's not

01:17:58.640 necessarily going to be the most popular thing to say on the internet at the moment but it is truly

01:18:03.280 what i think and it's because of ferris's comment an actual civil war is one of the worst things you

01:18:07.780 can live through every civil war is worse than any other kind of conquest i mean you'll you'll know

01:18:14.000 this like because the a foreign conquest when the when the enemy stops fighting generally you just get

01:18:19.520 the new order imposed but a civil war has to extirpate any signs of loyalty or allegiance to

01:18:26.680 the defeated party and have to truly root them out and it's like way worse to go through a civil war

01:18:33.440 like the english civil war unbelievable the american civil war unbelievable the french revolution

01:18:37.840 unbelievable these things are so much worse than normal conflicts in normal times so anyway um luke says

01:18:45.460 uh for all the evils of the lefties laughing at this at least the boss of tyt said something about

01:18:50.640 this is a surrender of the intellectual debate if you have to kill but also could be a fear of

01:18:55.420 justification of retaliation from the right yeah i mean like jenk at least he looks upset by this

01:19:01.600 you know he looks like oh god something truly terrible is happening here so you know okay he was

01:19:08.260 like yeah but i might get shot okay fine that's not brilliant but it's it's more human than most of

01:19:13.740 the things i've seen about this norm says the democratic party in the shill media establishment

01:19:18.780 needs to answer for the rhetoric they have spewed that led to this every single one of them

01:19:22.540 congressman to intern needs to be sat down and forced to watch the footage that made and made to

01:19:26.640 understand the complicity the problem is they might be proud of that right they might be proud of it

01:19:31.920 um the the there is there is a like you said about a quarter of the left that is just so

01:19:38.140 ideologically captured that they wouldn't see this as a bad thing spiteful mutants yeah really

01:19:43.720 really really horrible people and i don't know what can be done about them frankly uh js says

01:19:50.460 charlie carl and a few others inspired me to convince my wife to have kids and i'm the father

01:19:54.780 of a beautiful girl so in some way charlie gave me the greatest gift rest in peace if anyone deserved

01:19:59.180 heaven it was charlie it's very kind um well done for dedicating the podcast charlie gents may you

01:20:04.100 rest in peace well i mean what else are we going to do but there's nothing nothing else to talk

01:20:07.620 about today i'm afraid um plague lord says may those who shared his faith and values pray for

01:20:13.540 his family and those who loved him may the rest of us cry havoc and let slip the dogs of war i don't

01:20:18.620 blame anyone if this is moderated do you must then i will do what i must well just to be clear don't do

01:20:24.220 anything stupid right there's just no no point letting a hot head run away with you and doing

01:20:30.160 something terrible and tragic in your own regard that you'll come to regret and that other people

01:20:35.040 will come to regret there's there's no point allowing this to happen we have to make sure

01:20:40.000 that we maintain not just the moral high ground but our own level heads for our own souls this is

01:20:46.540 important this is where you really have to have the sort of difficult conversations with yourself and

01:20:51.240 the people that you love so it's not the time for hot headed action at all um zerg says don't fed post

01:20:58.600 but we should catalogue every high profile person who made fun of this and hold them accountable

01:21:02.480 their own hate speech to the law well i mean i agree that's the thing like make like i've seen a lot

01:21:07.460 of people saying well a lot of people need to be fired for this it's like yeah maybe actually you

01:21:12.340 know if the people cheering tmz uh or anything to go by yeah i think a bunch of people probably do need

01:21:18.500 to lose their jobs and it speaks more to the toxic culture of these environments uh if you're fox news

01:21:24.300 and you own that are you sure you want to allow that to continue no you want to be the kind of uh

01:21:29.920 company that employs those kind of people i certainly wouldn't um freeman again says the

01:21:36.540 american right isn't going to go small mustache they're going to bring back the crusade

01:21:39.460 well maybe and like i said just don't do anything silly just let the dust settle and sleep on it

01:21:46.840 um toshi says a deep loss for so many people aside from the tragedy for his family this will

01:21:53.160 intimidate young students trying to find a voice in this unhinged world a true educator

01:21:57.380 yeah i mean it's like god only knows what this does to the sort of culture on campuses of actually

01:22:03.640 talking to people which i mean i've done it plenty of times i was attacked in bloody university of

01:22:08.420 london uh you know it's really quite stressful but it's every instance has got to be considered

01:22:15.240 completely unacceptable it's going to drive a wedge between the human beings and spiteful mutants

01:22:19.640 because the human beings are going to see some of their um some of their peers celebrating and

01:22:25.940 cheering and they're going to know that that's unacceptable yeah um dan said he still hasn't

01:22:35.580 reached the anger stage but at this point every american has brits need to understand that civil

01:22:39.260 conflict in the u.s will quickly boil over to other countries the entire west is at risk well yeah

01:22:43.960 why do you think we're covering this and calling for peace um it like again civil wars are worse than

01:22:50.320 normal wars you you don't know what you're asking for if you're asking for it um the proletariat says

01:22:55.840 there is also the thing not that i'm calling for civil war but when you're left with no choice

01:23:01.300 it's like uh if you've ever had uh been attacked by a wild animal or a cat a domestic cat has gone

01:23:08.720 feral and you can't control it it's gone berserk you're not voting your way out of that one oh

01:23:13.100 right sometimes often civil wars are that again they talk about the forces of reaction you're simply

01:23:20.600 reacting to someone that's trying to annihilate you it's like a self-defense thing actually it's just

01:23:26.620 self-defense am i just gonna allow myself well i'm not i'm not i'm not casting blame no no i'm just

01:23:32.860 saying don't do anything stupid for your own sake no i know i know um the proletariat says i did

01:23:38.480 four years in the marines firing lines are 200 300 and 500 yards the first time i shot a rifle

01:23:43.740 uh quoll i did it entirely with iron sights uh the hardest part of the shot is big buck fever where

01:23:50.560 you get a big adrenaline dump and you're shaking like a leaf um hugo says i still can't wrap my

01:23:55.960 head around the fact that we're in a time where you can watch the end of someone's life in 4k quality

01:24:00.140 it's so raw and terrifying but also important for those to see the level of evil that we're up

01:24:04.340 against yeah this this is the point i was making is that look we we actually have a duty not

01:24:08.360 to turn away from this right you have to watch and you have to understand the world that you were

01:24:13.540 in and the game that you were playing right the the fictions i mean think think about when we

01:24:18.920 started like you know back in like 2013 or something right like when i started in 2013 and

01:24:24.060 i started this in 2020 but the world was so much softer right the world just seemed so much i was a

01:24:29.500 libertarian back then right i was a liberal you know like the world was so much softer and so much

01:24:33.880 safer and so much less angry than it is now you can feel the pressure rising

01:24:42.480 and so yeah it's it's unfortunately the nature of the reality that you have to look this thing in

01:24:50.020 the face because otherwise it's going to destroy you and you're going to live in denial and you're

01:24:55.280 going to be unprepared for what's coming chris says if you know the distance you're going to be

01:24:59.740 shooting at you can sight your scope to that distance so then you don't need to worry about

01:25:03.540 bullet drop and using mill dots at that distance oh that's good um good to know but i don't really

01:25:09.460 know much about shooting frankly uh riss says i was absolutely horrified when i heard of charlie's

01:25:14.120 murder i agreed and disagreed with him on several topics however for someone to decide he deserved

01:25:18.760 to die for those opinions is barbaric uh wishes family well and hope justice comes harshly to his

01:25:23.680 killer well that's the thing like i don't know whether utah has the death penalty it does oh wonderful

01:25:29.120 well that's at least some good news there then there is some reporting that trump assigned an

01:25:33.980 orgy that um this person will be put to death yeah i don't know if he's got the authority to do that

01:25:38.760 well you can they can make it federal charges so yeah right okay okay well binary says from that

01:25:46.820 kind of uh carotid carotid yeah carotid damage unconsciousness is almost instant under seven

01:25:53.340 seconds typically normally uh see the ukrainian girl a few days ago also um at least he didn't

01:25:59.100 suffer yeah i mean actually that that's worth mentioning as well coming right on the back of

01:26:03.600 the ukrainian death yeah i know this is intense and in in both cases they destroyed what was best

01:26:11.800 you know that girl was innocent and beautiful completely this man um was noble and just and

01:26:18.220 in both cases they destroyed the best is genuinely heart-wrenching that there is nothing sacred that

01:26:25.740 they won't destroy well and i think that's why they why they picked these targets because they

01:26:32.100 they because they are spiteful mutants justin says the old guy was probably yelling shoot me so

01:26:37.620 that he could a become a martyr for the left and b it would take longer for the police to realize it

01:26:41.600 wasn't him maybe arizona desert rat says there's tons of small airports throughout the southwest

01:26:47.940 as long as the airstrip is long enough that plane could land that's the that's the point i was

01:26:52.200 trying to make it's who knows right who knows uh the old guy claiming he shot charlie the two other

01:26:58.480 with pellet guns this has certainly been some sort of conspiracy to make it difficult to finger the

01:27:02.700 real shooter well again i'm not saying that i know anything about this but these are conclusions

01:27:08.340 that people are drawing and not unreasonably so from the evidence that is being presented so

01:27:14.000 it's terrible charlie says i see the eu parliament want a conservative and a concert i see that in

01:27:21.580 the eu parliament a conservative mep relinquished the remainder of his time to hold a minute silence

01:27:26.060 for charlie kirk naturally while some did respect the silence the usual suspects didn't with those

01:27:30.920 talking refusing stand or just booing okay there we go uh chance says uh when he was pronounced dead

01:27:38.100 i immediately left work and went home to hug my wife and daughter this hit so close to home i didn't

01:27:42.180 understand why but now i think it's simply because charlie was a normal guy just like you and me

01:27:46.280 and like yeah that's the thing as well charlie is just not very remarkable right in like in his

01:27:51.240 like life or behavior or person he's remarkable in his nobility and his work ethic but morally

01:27:58.260 he's not a radical in any way no but he's also not someone you couldn't see yourself meeting yeah in

01:28:04.600 real life yeah i met loads of loads of people like charlie actually you know thankfully um i think

01:28:09.380 is he was one of those people where um you know no one asked him to stand up and be counted he just

01:28:16.380 did it yeah that civic responsibility within him yeah he obviously just felt in and of himself that

01:28:24.040 this was the correct thing to do to make a stand albeit rhetorically um uh yeah a fair a noble thing to

01:28:33.720 have done anyway unfortunately we are out of time at that point so thank you everyone for joining us

01:28:41.060 thank you for your generous donations um we will keep covering this story as it develops obviously

01:28:47.180 uh god willing they catch the killer very very soon and there are people in the chat saying that

01:28:54.680 they have him oh really i but i don't know that yet okay well i'll have to check that i i we will

01:28:59.980 definitely cover that tomorrow so thank you for joining us folks and we'll see you tomorrow

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The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - September 11, 2025

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