The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1251

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00:05:00.000 I would like to start by looking at this clip of Trump.

00:05:04.640 We might remember this clip very famously after the passing of Ruth Bader Ginsburg on the Supreme Court because his reaction is very telling.

00:05:14.720 Very telling.

00:05:16.720 She just died?

00:05:26.720 She died? 0.81

00:05:27.720 She died? 0.81

00:05:28.720 Wow.

00:05:29.720 I didn't know that.

00:05:31.720 I just...

00:05:32.720 You're telling me now for the first time.

00:05:34.720 She led an amazing life.

00:05:38.720 What else can you say?

00:05:39.720 What else can you say?

00:05:40.720 She was an amazing woman.

00:05:42.720 Whether you agreed or not, she was an amazing woman who led an amazing life.

00:05:47.720 I'll stop it.

00:05:49.720 I'll stop it there.

00:05:50.720 I'll stop it there.

00:05:51.720 Just because I'm aware of the song in the background, that was just part...

00:05:54.720 It happened to be going on when it was recorded.

00:05:56.720 The contrast is remarkable.

00:05:57.720 Isn't it, Joel?

00:05:58.720 Between how the right behaves and how the left behaves.

00:06:00.720 And you have to bear in mind as well, this is a woman who ceaselessly tried to have him removed from office. 1.00

00:06:07.720 Yes.

00:06:08.720 Who was behind every impeachment attempt, every attempt to discredit him, drag his name through the mud, and that's how conciliatory he was to her memory.

00:06:19.720 Right?

00:06:20.720 Whether she deserved it or not, he was a bigger man and he just got up there and admitted the scale of the legacy that she'd left behind.

00:06:29.720 And that is something that just cannot be done, seemingly, from the other side.

00:06:37.720 From the other side.

00:06:38.720 So I just wanted to go through some of the...

00:06:41.720 You covered some of it yesterday, Dan, but also the fact that for many of these people, they are the most rabid, crazy people you'll ever see in your life.

00:06:52.720 So this is an example of one of the lead developers for the Ghost of Tsushima sequel that's apparently coming out and she mocks the death of Charlie Kirk.

00:07:03.720 Is this the one with Samurais?

00:07:04.720 Yes.

00:07:05.720 But Netflix casting?

00:07:06.720 Oh, no, that...

00:07:08.720 I don't recall there was anything to do with that.

00:07:10.720 No, you're thinking of the Assassin's Creed game.

00:07:12.720 Oh, yes.

00:07:13.720 It's a little different.

00:07:14.720 But this is an American game, right?

00:07:17.720 So even though it's a game set in Japan, it's an American company.

00:07:22.720 And yeah, she was not only that, but then she was fired because of basically cheering on the death of Charlie. 0.82

00:07:31.720 Okay, that's something.

00:07:32.720 But she went on to say as well, well, I would lose my dream job all over again if it meant right.

00:07:39.720 So just no remorse whatsoever.

00:07:41.720 Just kind of irredeemable.

00:07:43.720 Destroying something good is more important to her.

00:07:46.720 Yes.

00:07:47.720 Yes, it is.

00:07:48.720 And obviously, Blue Sky, that bastion of tolerance and compassion was the absolute gutter of the internet for the day as well.

00:07:58.720 Aren't these all the people that left X because they said it was too hateful?

00:08:02.720 They did.

00:08:03.720 They did.

00:08:04.720 They're just bringing about kill lists, it seems, for who should be the next target.

00:08:09.720 Okay.

00:08:10.720 I have seen actual kill lists posted by some people where they've crossed out the name of Charlie Kirk.

00:08:17.720 And they do have a lot of the other mainstream centre-right figures like Ben Shapiro and others on there.

00:08:22.720 Frankly, this isn't surprising to me.

00:08:26.720 It would have been shocking years ago.

00:08:28.720 Indeed.

00:08:29.720 I see that every single time something like this happens, this is the way these people, if I have to call them that, react.

00:08:38.720 And the fact is that what makes this seem even worse and even more brutal is that we have all seen the video.

00:08:46.720 I saw the video, I'm of the generation that grew up with live leaks, I never watched any live leaks.

00:08:54.720 So I'm aware of what that was like in desensitising many people around my age, but I always avoided it because I knew I didn't have the stomach for it.

00:09:02.720 Seeing the up-close footage of what happened to Charlie Kirk and knowing that his family was there to witness it and that his own daughter, scared by the loud noise, ran to him for seeking comfort.

00:09:15.720 And he was presumably already dead by that point.

00:09:18.720 That is one of the worst things I've ever seen in my entire life.

00:09:23.720 And the fact that there are people out there who can see that and not have any stirring of emotion other than glee, other than some kind of rabid joy at how this has happened.

00:09:38.720 They can watch that video with a smile on their face.

00:09:41.720 It is sickening.

00:09:43.720 And these people, everybody celebrating this, they are evil.

00:09:47.720 They need consequences to come to them.

00:09:50.720 And this is where, I'm sure you're going with this segment, but this is where we do have to pile onto these people.

00:09:58.720 We need to organise very mundane, administrative style campaigns against them.

00:10:05.720 If they are employed, contact their employers.

00:10:08.720 If they are part of a larger group like a development team, for instance, if the development team aren't willing to drop them, contact the publishers.

00:10:15.720 Put pressure on the publishers. Remove your pre-orders.

00:10:18.720 Get them dropped from the publishers.

00:10:20.720 If they have some kind of outside investment, try to contact the investment.

00:10:24.720 Try and get them to pull the investment.

00:10:26.720 Do anything.

00:10:27.720 Even something as mundane as putting complaints in, a mass complaints organisation, organised campaign, can actually jam up a company very, very easily.

00:10:37.720 These people need to know that there are practical and financial consequences to their actions.

00:10:43.720 Because what we are seeing is encouragement and incitement of political violence.

00:10:48.720 We don't want this to escalate.

00:10:50.720 Can I just repeat one line of that?

00:10:52.720 When the shot went off, Charlie's daughter was scared by the noise and she ran to her daddy.

00:10:58.720 And people are celebrating that.

00:10:59.720 Yeah, they are.

00:11:00.720 So, also, as to what you were saying, Harry, Asma Gold made a very good video on this.

00:11:12.720 I'm not going to play it now, but I would encourage people to go watch it where he goes through the types of people that you described.

00:11:21.720 But then I also wanted to talk about not just the reaction in America, but I also want to focus on the reaction here in Britain as well.

00:11:31.720 And the reason that I want to do that is because many of the talking heads in the legacy media and the swamp, Britain's own swamp, are very much downplaying.

00:11:44.720 They're going for the line.

00:11:46.720 Why are we talking about this here in Britain?

00:11:49.720 Right.

00:11:50.720 What does this have to do with Britain?

00:11:51.720 He was an American activist killed in America.

00:11:54.720 And we'll certainly get back to a few rebuffs on that.

00:11:58.720 Just very quickly, someone in the Super Chats, Skull Kid, has told us that there is breaking news that I've just verified.

00:12:06.720 According to the BBC, Donald Trump has stated that they've had this manhunt going on for the killer.

00:12:13.720 They said they think they have him.

00:12:15.720 They believe that they have, with a high degree of certainty, the shooter in custody, is what I'm reading right now.

00:12:22.720 Well, that's something.

00:12:23.720 It is.

00:12:24.720 And it does appear that they've been following up the images.

00:12:27.720 Following up the images that had been released.

00:12:29.720 So I guess we'll see if 4chan got it right.

00:12:32.720 Right.

00:12:33.720 We will.

00:12:34.720 We will.

00:12:35.720 Well, let us hope.

00:12:36.720 That's something.

00:12:37.720 You can see here, Charlie was part of a debate at the Oxford Union.

00:12:42.720 Right.

00:12:43.720 Just the oldest university in England.

00:12:47.720 And one of, like, the foundational pillars of the British education system.

00:12:53.720 Just that sort of, it's the apex, right?

00:12:56.720 To go to Oxford is basically the highest education you could have in the United Kingdom.

00:13:00.720 Or at least it has been, historically speaking.

00:13:02.720 Once it was.

00:13:03.720 Speaking.

00:13:04.720 Has been, historically speaking.

00:13:06.720 And as you can read here from the article in the Telegraph, Oxford Union president who debated with Charlie Kirk appeared to celebrate the shooting.

00:13:15.720 And just so you can see him, UK aesthetics here provides a, this was a debate.

00:13:24.720 He, he is at Oxford.

00:13:26.720 Yes.

00:13:27.720 And not just at Oxford.

00:13:28.720 ABB.

00:13:29.720 ABB.

00:13:30.720 They didn't let me in with ABB.

00:13:31.720 Right.

00:13:32.720 That was when ABB actually meant something.

00:13:33.720 I checked in the requirements.

00:13:35.720 If, uh, B's seem to be exclusively for, like, one-year foundation courses.

00:13:41.720 If you want to do a full degree, you have to have straight A's, more or less.

00:13:46.720 Yeah, coming, coming out of college with, uh, the equivalent of ABB myself, I wouldn't have got in.

00:13:52.720 No.

00:13:53.720 I wouldn't have expected to get in if I thought, oh, I'll try and apply for Oxford.

00:13:56.720 Waste of time.

00:13:57.720 I wonder what it is about this guy that they bent the rules on.

00:14:00.720 I don't know.

00:14:01.720 Yeah.

00:14:02.720 Curious question.

00:14:03.720 Yeah.

00:14:04.720 Curious question.

00:14:05.720 Um, yeah, I, I, I could say something, but the picture speaks for itself, doesn't it?

00:14:11.720 Um, but the fact of the matter is that in messages, um, that were put about all over X, because,

00:14:17.720 uh, the WhatsApp chat leaked, uh, Mr. Aberonia, uh, posted, Charlie Kirk got shot.

00:14:25.720 Let's effing go. 0.95

00:14:26.720 Uh, and in another message, he basically stated, lol.

00:14:31.720 So not only that, because there was a point made in the, um, on the podcast yesterday, and I believe a, um, um, a strong one, that for many of these evil people,

00:14:46.720 it's very much abstract.

00:14:48.720 They didn't know Charlie in person.

00:14:49.720 They just see a person they hate online who has the wrong opinions.

00:14:53.720 But this man looked him in the eye, stood across from him at a table.

00:14:58.720 And, and they would have had other exchanges before and after, and Charlie would have been entirely courteous like he always is.

00:15:04.720 Of course he would have been.

00:15:05.720 Of course he would.

00:15:06.720 He would have shaken his hand.

00:15:07.720 Yes, he would.

00:15:08.720 Yes, he would.

00:15:09.720 And yes, as you, uh, you point out here, Harry, here are his actual grades.

00:15:14.720 So it's a real mystery as to how he ended up being there.

00:15:18.720 But what's more, the fact that...

00:15:20.720 I expect those grades were inflated to begin with.

00:15:22.720 But what's more, the fact that he were, is still, we'll get to that, president-elect for the Oxford Union means that clearly his peers had great confidence in him being worthy of such a position as well.

00:15:38.720 So it's not just him.

00:15:39.720 It's all the people who put him there in the first place.

00:15:42.720 And, um, let's just play this little clip, shall we?

00:15:45.720 Because this reveals something more to his character.

00:15:47.720 To effectively create change in the world we desire.

00:15:50.720 And side prop will argue that at times there is simply nothing else that can be required other than violent retaliation.

00:15:56.720 And this is a view I wholeheartedly agree with.

00:15:58.720 This view, the view that some institutions are too broken, too aggressive, too oppressive to be reformed.

00:16:05.720 Like cancers of our society.

00:16:07.720 They must and they should be taken down by any means necessary.

00:16:12.720 By any means necessary.

00:16:14.720 I shouldn't have to explain this to the custodians of Oxford University.

00:16:18.720 But that is a call to violence.

00:16:21.720 Right?

00:16:22.720 That's what that is.

00:16:23.720 That's incitement.

00:16:24.720 It is.

00:16:25.720 Plain and simple.

00:16:26.720 Plain and simple.

00:16:27.720 So how is he...

00:16:28.720 It's dehumanization.

00:16:30.720 It's incitement to violence.

00:16:32.720 And again, if you're watching this and you have any sort of connections to Oxford University.

00:16:37.720 If you used to go there and still support them as a...

00:16:41.720 What's the term for it?

00:16:43.720 I always forget when you've finished a university and you continue to support them.

00:16:46.720 Either way.

00:16:47.720 If you are in any way financially connected to Oxford University, until they sort this out and fix all of the problems that led to someone like this being the president of Oxford University or even being let into the university in the first place, pull out.

00:17:00.720 Pull out your financial support.

00:17:02.720 If you don't have connections, still email them.

00:17:05.720 Put in complaints.

00:17:06.720 Make the admin's lives living hell.

00:17:11.720 Until they actually do something.

00:17:13.720 With Oxford we shouldn't need to.

00:17:14.720 But yeah.

00:17:15.720 Of course.

00:17:16.720 But that's what it comes to.

00:17:17.720 Because this is not good enough.

00:17:20.720 The Oxford Union would like to unequivocally condemn the reported words and sentiments expressed by President-elect so-and-so with regards to the passing of Charlie Kirk.

00:17:31.720 His reported views do not represent the Oxford Union's current leadership or committee's views.

00:17:36.720 The current administration has, under President Musa Haraj, no association with and is entirely independent from his administration.

00:17:46.720 In alignment with the statement published by our society earlier today, we reaffirm our stance that the Oxford Union firmly opposes all forms of political violence and strongly stands by our commitment to free speech and considerate debate.

00:18:01.720 We would like to reiterate that our condolences lie with Charlie Kirk's family, especially his wife and young children who are enduring such terrible grief.

00:18:10.720 Right, so no consequences then?

00:18:12.720 No, nothing seemingly related.

00:18:15.720 And what's more as well, right, it's you can't be someone who stands up there and has a debate if you just reveal that actually your darkest wish is actually just to have these people murdered.

00:18:30.720 Right, stalling to the assassination.

00:18:32.720 And because really all of this seems to be bound up in the fact that these people can't seem to get their heads around the fact that Charlie was a bridge, right?

00:18:48.720 And a moderate voice and someone willing to have these conversations.

00:18:52.720 And so when Ash Sarkar says, I think Charlie Kirk died by the code that he lived by, no, he didn't.

00:18:59.720 No, he didn't, Ash.

00:19:00.720 His code was debate.

00:19:03.720 Famously.

00:19:04.720 Right?

00:19:05.720 He never called for political violence against any of his opponents.

00:19:10.720 And my God, did he have them.

00:19:12.720 Right?

00:19:13.720 He never called for that.

00:19:14.720 And because the fact of the matter is that Charlie's sword was his debating skills and it was sharper and it was more precise and it was more effective than anything that these people can muster.

00:19:32.720 And so it's a total mischaracterization of who he was.

00:19:37.720 And yes, as Firas says there, the code he lived by was dialogue over violence.

00:19:44.720 Then we get onto the news agents.

00:19:46.720 Right?

00:19:47.720 And you have Lewis Goodall here and I'm not going to play the clip, but he basically just says the idea that Charlie Kirk was murdered for espousing common sense mainstream views is nonsense.

00:20:00.720 Lewis, a quick question.

00:20:02.720 Of the two factions in the United States, which one currently holds the presidency?

00:20:07.720 Oh, it's the one that Charlie was in favor of.

00:20:11.720 Right?

00:20:12.720 So actually it's not that his views were perfectly mainstream.

00:20:17.720 And Lewis is in there doddering about saying, oh, can you give me the statistics?

00:20:21.720 Can you give me the statistics?

00:20:22.720 The fact that the Republicans are in charge and Charlie put a great deal of effort into putting them in power in the first place by involving himself with young people.

00:20:31.720 Trump won the popular vote.

00:20:33.720 He had a full sweep mandate.

00:20:35.720 Indeed.

00:20:36.720 Indeed.

00:20:37.720 Indeed.

00:20:38.720 So again, with all of these people.

00:20:42.720 So for instance, with the Oxford Students Union, you can go onto the Oxford Student Union website and you can fill in a complaints form.

00:20:50.720 A few thousand of those might make their lives a bit more inconvenient, perhaps inconvenient enough to say, maybe we shouldn't have this guy in charge.

00:21:00.720 If they choose to ignore their responsibilities to handle complaints within a timely and efficient manner, or they don't give you a response that you think is warranted by the complaint that you've put in.

00:21:14.720 If you don't think they've looked into it fairly, you can then take it further to their regulator.

00:21:19.720 And it appears from what I'm seeing here that student unions in the UK are regulated as charities by the Charity Commission.

00:21:25.720 So at that point, you can escalate it further to regulators or independent ombudsman.

00:21:31.720 And again, you can try to get some kind of consequences on these people.

00:21:36.720 I don't know if it's the same with student unions, but when I used to work in insurance, if a complaint was escalated past the company to the ombudsman, even getting to the ombudsman meant that they would immediately incur a 500 pound fine.

00:21:50.720 If there's anything like that as consequences for student unions, student unions budgets aren't that big.

00:21:57.720 So a few of those coming their way can immediately tank their finances.

00:22:02.720 So that's just some suggestions of what you as an organized group can do.

00:22:09.720 And it will be the same for television broadcasters, radio broadcasters.

00:22:15.720 You can complain to them and then you can go to Ofcom and you can continually do this process.

00:22:20.720 This is one of the ways in which people have been able to get actual change done on a minor scale, which is that the left has always been far more organized in actually going through official channels.

00:22:31.720 If we can do the same, even if it's only small, perhaps, perhaps we can have some kind of minor consequences on these people.

00:22:41.720 It won't be as satisfying as some of the other processes that people want to see.

00:22:46.720 But that's that's what you can do as a normal person.

00:22:49.720 Indeed.

00:22:50.720 You have Adam Bolton here.

00:22:52.720 Can't believe all this media coverage of Charlie Kirk.

00:22:54.720 It's America's issue, not the UK.

00:22:56.720 Put a pin in it.

00:22:57.720 Then we have Sanjita.

00:22:58.720 Sky News is all wall to wall Charlie Kirk.

00:23:01.720 The implications of the story is significant, but the scale of UK coverage is questionable.

00:23:07.720 I would just like to say if I draw us back to this chap here.

00:23:14.720 Right.

00:23:15.720 I seem to recall in 2020 there was someone died in Minnesota of a far less reputable character than Charlie.

00:23:26.720 And not only were we not told to keep that issue contained to America, but we were told that because of this, we had to basically upturn every single institution across the West.

00:23:40.720 Well, not only that, the head is locked up at home.

00:23:43.720 Yeah.

00:23:44.720 So that they could have the scenes of the police kneeling.

00:23:48.720 Yes.

00:23:49.720 For the demonstrators.

00:23:50.720 Right.

00:23:51.720 And it's that sort of thing that let people like him, who are entirely unworthy of the position they hold into it in the first place.

00:24:00.720 Not saying it started there, but it certainly escalated it.

00:24:04.720 And so this whole thing of, well, what relevance is it towards?

00:24:07.720 Oh, it's completely relevant.

00:24:09.720 And I can show you here as well.

00:24:11.720 You have this TikTok.

00:24:12.720 You can read those words.

00:24:14.720 It's, right, these people who celebrate what happened to Charlie are not alien and isolated to America.

00:24:24.720 They exist here as well.

00:24:26.720 There is a strong faction within the United Kingdom that would wish-

00:24:31.720 Of freakish, spiteful mutants.

00:24:33.720 Yes.

00:24:34.720 That would wish the most unpleasant harm, final harm, on any of us.

00:24:41.720 Any of us.

00:24:42.720 Right?

00:24:43.720 It's one thing with, um, sorry.

00:24:50.720 And so look at this here as well.

00:24:54.720 So Jeremy Clarkson said, for the first time in my life, I'm genuinely frightened about being a newspaper columnist.

00:25:01.720 And then you have this apparent comedian said, well, stop being so objectionable.

00:25:06.720 Yes.

00:25:07.720 Problem solved.

00:25:08.720 Just agree with us and then we won't have to kill you.

00:25:09.720 Yes.

00:25:10.720 So this is just an admission to terrorism.

00:25:12.720 Yes, it is.

00:25:13.720 It's a threat.

00:25:14.720 Plain and simple.

00:25:16.720 It's a threat.

00:25:17.720 Right?

00:25:18.720 And it's not the only one.

00:25:19.720 You also have this sort of thing in the Netherlands as well.

00:25:23.720 Liberal politician.

00:25:25.720 Words matter.

00:25:26.720 And that exact look.

00:25:28.720 Every man knows that look.

00:25:30.720 From kindergarten to your HR manager.

00:25:35.720 We know that look.

00:25:37.720 Right.

00:25:38.720 And that really is the point that as much as I detest, and this is me speaking personally for myself,

00:25:45.720 as much as I detest the things that have happened to us, and that we have been forced to endure, and certainly, obviously, much worse in America, I don't go around actually just silently wishing for the death of my enemies.

00:26:01.720 Or verbally wishing for the death of my enemies, in fact.

00:26:04.720 It's true no matter how much I egg him on.

00:26:07.720 As a joke.

00:26:08.720 As a joke.

00:26:10.720 I can confirm your earlier point.

00:26:12.720 I'm looking at footage now of Trump going on Fox and Friends in person.

00:26:17.720 And he's talking about having a man in custody, and the quote from Trump is, I think with a high degree of certainty, we have him.

00:26:24.720 That's similar to the reporting that I was seeing.

00:26:29.720 Hopefully they've got the right guy, and hopefully he can be swiftly punished.

00:26:33.720 High degree of certainty, apparently.

00:26:35.720 Any updates on the suspect?

00:26:41.720 Yeah.

00:26:42.720 Can I always say, I think, just to protect us all, and so Fox doesn't get sued, and we all don't get sued, and everything else, but I think with a high degree of certainty, we have him.

00:26:55.720 We're in custody, right?

00:26:57.720 In custody, everyone did a great job.

00:27:00.720 We worked with the local police, the governor, everybody did a great job.

00:27:04.720 You know, getting somebody that you start off with absolutely nothing.

00:27:08.720 And we started off with a clip that made him look like an ant that was almost useless.

00:27:13.720 We just saw there was somebody up there.

00:27:15.720 And so much work has been done over the last two and a half days.

00:27:19.720 You know, it's amazing, actually, when you start off with that, and then all of a sudden you get lucky or talent or whatever it is.

00:27:26.720 But yeah, I think we're in great shape.

00:27:29.720 Mr. President.

00:27:30.720 He's in custody.

00:27:31.720 Great news.

00:27:32.720 Very good news.

00:27:33.720 Very good news.

00:27:34.720 Very good news.

00:27:35.720 I would just quickly like to return to this point here as well.

00:27:41.720 Because as we here at the Lotus Eaters are very consistent on, we personally believe that politically, people like Nigel are actually soft touches.

00:27:51.720 Right.

00:27:52.720 They're moderates.

00:27:53.720 Captain Weak Sauce.

00:27:54.720 Right.

00:27:55.720 We do this all the time.

00:27:56.720 But we don't wish for this.

00:27:57.720 Right.

00:27:58.720 We don't wish for this on anyone whatsoever.

00:28:01.720 And it's the fact that these, these people can't tell the difference between someone who's on the moderate right or further along it.

00:28:10.720 Right.

00:28:11.720 They just see.

00:28:12.720 They're completely ignorant of us.

00:28:13.720 They don't care about the minutiae.

00:28:15.720 They don't care about the nuance of political philosophy or who cares about what.

00:28:22.720 They all they care about is the fact that you're not one of them.

00:28:25.720 And that basically gives you license for whatever to be, whatever can be done to you should be done to you.

00:28:33.720 Well, it's been said many times, they have come up with this formula, which is that Nazis are the worst people who ever lived.

00:28:41.720 Nazis deserve to die.

00:28:43.720 Yep.

00:28:44.720 I'm going to call you a Nazi.

00:28:45.720 Therefore, you deserve to die.

00:28:47.720 Yes.

00:28:48.720 There you go.

00:28:50.720 And so you have Rupert here saying that very truly seeing the reaction to Charlie Kirk's death from some on the British left.

00:28:59.720 I have no doubt that many will cheer if an MP on our side of politics got knifed in the street.

00:29:04.720 It's been utterly disgusting and incredibly revealing of what these people really think of us.

00:29:10.720 Grim.

00:29:12.720 And I think Rupert's right there.

00:29:14.720 And I don't think he understates the gravity of it either, to be honest with you.

00:29:19.720 I think he's exactly on it.

00:29:21.720 And as Carl says here, the reaction to Charlie Kirk's view from the British commentariat reveals not how extreme Kirk was, but how liberal they are.

00:29:30.720 Or how communist they are.

00:29:31.720 Sequestered away in their echo chambers, never speaking to the right.

00:29:35.720 They can't believe what they're hearing.

00:29:37.720 But those views got Trump elected.

00:29:40.720 Right.

00:29:41.720 And it's totally true.

00:29:43.720 So, yeah, it's it's not just America as well, though I grant it's clearly even more volatile over there.

00:29:52.720 And again, I could only just say how deeply sorry I am to Charlie's family and all the people that he loved and loved him because this should have never happened.

00:30:03.720 And it's truly terrible.

00:30:06.720 Yeah.

00:30:07.720 Guys watching, we've had.

00:30:09.720 I mean, thank you so much.

00:30:11.720 We've had so much support over the last 24 hours and so many super chats have come in.

00:30:15.720 We can't.

00:30:16.720 We just can't possibly get through them all.

00:30:18.720 But we are going to do a lads hour after this and we're going to be talking about spiteful mutant.

00:30:22.720 And we're going to try and get through as many of the comments as we can.

00:30:25.720 We're going to try and catch up.

00:30:26.720 By all means, by all means, if there's any way you want to pick out now, but otherwise we try and get some in the lads hour this afternoon.

00:30:31.720 I'll just go through one or two here from the Rumble Rants for $10.

00:30:36.720 Thank you.

00:30:37.720 We've got JM Denton says they will lie about you after murdering you.

00:30:41.720 Talking our way to unity with such people is a fairy tale.

00:30:45.720 And you also have Ryline says, I didn't know the detail about his daughter running to him at the noise the rest of the day.

00:30:53.720 It's heartbreaking, that bit heartbreaking.

00:30:55.720 It's it is.

00:30:56.720 Yeah.

00:30:57.720 Yeah.

00:30:58.720 Yeah.

00:30:59.720 As a father myself with a daughter who seemed to be a similar age.

00:31:05.720 After seeing the footage of what happened and there was all the talk of whether he was going to make it or not.

00:31:10.720 But I knew when I saw the up close footage that I'd seen a man die.

00:31:15.720 Crushing.

00:31:16.720 Then immediately after seeing the video of his wife and daughter surprising him on set and the way that she ran up to him.

00:31:23.720 That's that's how my daughter reacts to me when she sees me come home. 1.00

00:31:29.720 And that broke a little bit of me honestly.

00:31:35.720 And that's why of the super chats that we've had from YouTube I just wanted to quickly highlight one.

00:31:42.720 Uh, and this is something that I see a lot even now.

00:31:46.720 Uh, it's from T-Bone is gaming and I understand the sentiment that comes from this and it's five pounds.

00:31:54.720 So thank you for that.

00:31:55.720 So guys, I understand your anger and vitriol.

00:31:57.720 Not trying to be angry or vitriolic.

00:31:59.720 I'm trying to be cool and level-headed with all of this, frankly.

00:32:02.720 Much more cool and level-headed, um, than you should be expected to be.

00:32:06.720 But, you know, we've got standards to maintain.

00:32:08.720 But we shouldn't judge them or stoop to their level.

00:32:11.720 Matthew 7 verse 1 through 6.

00:32:14.720 Now, um, I do claim a right to judge these people when, when, how they behave is so reprehensible.

00:32:21.720 And we are not stooping to their level.

00:32:24.720 Nobody here is advocating any form of violence that would be stooping to their level.

00:32:29.720 But for all of these people who have overstepped the bounds of polite civilization

00:32:35.720 and are going around cheering from official positions, from institutionally sanctioned positions,

00:32:41.720 they are breaking rules.

00:32:43.720 They are breaking rules which we can use to our advantage.

00:32:46.720 Otherwise, we're going to sit around and whine and complain and do nothing.

00:32:51.720 You can't expect the system to change itself if you just do that.

00:32:55.720 You can't expect action to happen independent of you like a magical force.

00:33:00.720 Even though, you know, God exists and is a force in the world, we act as the agents of God.

00:33:06.720 Therefore, if there is any way that you can inconvenience these people or have them face real consequences,

00:33:14.720 get them fired, get their funding pulled, make it so they're unemployable in whatever field that they're in,

00:33:21.720 so that they know that you don't behave like this, then we'll absolutely do it.

00:33:25.720 That's not asking for violence.

00:33:27.720 That's not doing the same sort of thing that happened to Charlie.

00:33:31.720 That's playing by the rules in the only way that we can.

00:33:35.720 Anyway, let's move on.

00:33:38.720 Right, let's talk about Brazil.

00:33:40.720 I'm afraid I'm going to ram a massive black pill down your throat now,

00:33:44.720 but then I've got a little dessert red pill at the end.

00:33:48.720 I'm going to throw in a little bit of Nepal at the end,

00:33:50.720 and so I'm going to depress you and then cheer you up a bit.

00:33:53.720 Now, the Brazil story, it's a story of three characters that I want to pick out.

00:33:58.720 Obviously, there's a lot more people involved in that.

00:34:00.720 There's three main characters I want to talk about.

00:34:03.720 This spiteful little goblin is the first one.

00:34:06.720 This is Lula De Silva.

00:34:12.720 Short chat, there he is, being dwarfed by a Chinaman and an Indian. 0.95

00:34:17.720 Impressive.

00:34:18.720 This horrible little goblin.

00:34:20.720 I mean, I'm a journalist, so I have to remain impartial, but you know, this guy.

00:34:24.720 Who is he?

00:34:25.720 Well, he came up through basically being a strike leader.

00:34:33.720 Oh, yeah.

00:34:34.720 So if you were trying to get something done in Brazil, you know, this guy would

00:34:38.720 toddle up to your belt level and start organising a protest,

00:34:42.720 get everything shut down.

00:34:44.720 But, you know, lefties like that sort of thing.

00:34:46.720 And, of course, he got into politics and he actually rose all the way to president

00:34:52.720 on the back of that.

00:34:54.720 And his presidency was basically wall-to-wall corruption and scandals.

00:35:00.720 I mean, I'll take you through some of the scandals.

00:35:03.720 And I'm just picking out the top ones here.

00:35:05.720 The Mendesalo scandal.

00:35:08.720 Basically, big monthly allowances were being paid in bribes to congressmen in exchange for support.

00:35:13.720 So basically, his party relied on cash for votes to stay in power.

00:35:18.720 The Preto...

00:35:20.720 And sorry for my pronunciation on this stuff.

00:35:22.720 The Pretrobras. 0.98

00:35:24.720 That was the...

00:35:25.720 A car wash was what it got nicknamed over here.

00:35:28.720 So basically, the executives at this company, they skimmed off billions through government contracts

00:35:34.720 and then funneled that back to people in his party, PT, including Lula personally.

00:35:40.720 That was probably the biggest scandal.

00:35:42.720 The triplex apartment case.

00:35:45.720 He accepted a massive beachfront apartment in exchange for contracts.

00:35:53.720 And it was this one, this particular one, that led to his conviction and imprisonment in 2018.

00:35:59.720 One of the most corrupt presidents in Brazilian history.

00:36:03.720 That must be quite an achievement by itself.

00:36:05.720 It is.

00:36:06.720 It is.

00:36:07.720 And given how much we know that the left hate convicted felons, I'm sure they were...

00:36:12.720 Funnily enough, it doesn't apply in this case.

00:36:13.720 Oh, right.

00:36:14.720 Okay.

00:36:15.720 Not with this spiteful little mutant.

00:36:17.720 So he had a 12-year prison sentence imposed, banned from running.

00:36:22.720 And that's when I want to introduce the second character in all of this.

00:36:27.720 Bolsonaro.

00:36:29.720 Somewhat different man.

00:36:31.720 Family man, as good people tend to be.

00:36:34.720 Father of five.

00:36:35.720 He served in the military as an artillery captain before going into politics.

00:36:39.720 He rose through the ranks.

00:36:40.720 He started off in...

00:36:42.720 What was it?

00:36:43.720 He started off in Rio.

00:36:45.720 And his whole thing, his whole political campaign was...

00:36:50.720 And you can see why he's on a collision course with the other guy when I tell you this.

00:36:54.720 His whole thing was anti-corruption, law and order, and nationalism.

00:37:00.720 Sounds like there was quite the mandate for it as well.

00:37:03.720 Oh, yes.

00:37:04.720 But more than one way is a bit of a head above Lula.

00:37:06.720 Yes, in many ways.

00:37:08.720 In many ways, he was above her.

00:37:10.720 And this guy was absolutely loved by Brazilians.

00:37:13.720 In fact, I mean, you know what it's like in Swindon.

00:37:16.720 There's a lot of Turkish barbers.

00:37:18.720 None of them are Turkish, but there's... 1.00

00:37:19.720 You know what I mean.

00:37:20.720 There's a lot of Turkish barbers.

00:37:21.720 Sure.

00:37:22.720 So when I get my hair cut, I mean, presumably there might be a white barber somewhere in Swindon,

00:37:26.720 but I don't know where it is.

00:37:27.720 There is.

00:37:28.720 Who is that?

00:37:29.720 Okay.

00:37:30.720 We'll direct you to it next time.

00:37:32.720 Well, I actually tend to walk to the other side of town because I found a Brazilian barbers,

00:37:35.720 and I quite like going there because, I mean, most of the time, you know,

00:37:37.720 obviously I don't want to talk.

00:37:38.720 I talk all the bloody time, so I like to sit there in silence.

00:37:41.720 But if I fancy a Chad, I just happen to mention the name Bolsonaro,

00:37:45.720 and the room lights up.

00:37:48.720 I mean, they go wild for that man.

00:37:50.720 Oh, so Brazilian barbers are actually staffed by Brazilians?

00:37:53.720 Surprisingly, yes.

00:37:54.720 Shocking.

00:37:55.720 Yeah, it's shocking.

00:37:56.720 They love this man.

00:37:57.720 He was kind of seen, I mean, he was painted the most favorably in Western media as the

00:38:04.720 Brazilian Trump.

00:38:06.720 But actually, most of the mainstream media just called him a far right, fascist, blah,

00:38:10.720 blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

00:38:11.720 No, nothing he did was far right or fascist, but, you know.

00:38:14.720 I remember the one time he scared Stephen Fry.

00:38:17.720 I didn't know that one.

00:38:18.720 I didn't know that one.

00:38:19.720 Oh, there's a clip that goes around of him sometimes where he's talking with Stephen

00:38:23.720 Fry, and he just makes one little gay joke.

00:38:26.720 And then Stephen Fry's voiceover narration was something like,

00:38:29.720 it was the most frightening experience I'd ever had in my life.

00:38:33.720 And Bolsonaro's just being really friendly and having a laugh with him,

00:38:37.720 and Stephen Fry's quivering.

00:38:39.720 The power of this man.

00:38:42.720 I mean, imagine living a life where that is the scariest moment in your life.

00:38:46.720 That is interesting.

00:38:48.720 So anyway, what does the left do to a popular leader who can't be corrupted?

00:38:54.720 Well, they stab him, of course.

00:38:56.720 That's what they do.

00:38:57.720 So normally we can't show this kind of stuff on YouTube, but you can't actually see the

00:39:02.720 stab wound there.

00:39:03.720 That is the moment he is stabbed by a leftist while being out on the streets during the presidential

00:39:10.720 campaign.

00:39:11.720 Sometime later, he furnished us with this picture of, yeah, the wound and where they opened him

00:39:18.720 up to try and deal with it.

00:39:22.720 That is something that he has been having to deal with for some time.

00:39:27.720 Now, of course, what happens is he's an anti-corruption politician.

00:39:33.720 He's a good man.

00:39:35.720 Brazil has been through just unbelievable levels of corruption.

00:39:41.720 So he wins.

00:39:42.720 And then what happens?

00:39:46.720 USAID suddenly decide that they are going to more than double the amount of money that

00:39:54.720 they are sending to Brazil.

00:39:56.720 Now, we all remember USAID.

00:39:57.720 I mean, they've been shut down now.

00:39:59.720 I believe they're part of the State Department under Rubio now, aren't they?

00:40:03.720 Yeah, I think most of it is closed down now because it got closed down under Doge.

00:40:06.720 But I'm sure there's elements that are still there.

00:40:09.720 So this happened.

00:40:11.720 So direct US government foreign assistance spending in Brazil underwent a massive surge in

00:40:17.720 the year 2019 to 2023, coinciding with a precise time period of Bolsonaro's time in office.

00:40:25.720 The sum of such state departments and USAID funding funneled to Brazil civil society organizations

00:40:32.720 more than doubled from 32 million to 70 million in 2019 as Bolsonaro took office.

00:40:39.720 And you actually get to see what that looks like on the chart.

00:40:43.720 You know, AIDS Brazil suddenly shoots up. 0.73

00:40:48.720 Where did that money go?

00:40:50.720 What was going on with that?

00:40:52.720 To nationalistic projects?

00:40:54.720 Well, one of the things it went into was an absolute boatload of electronic voting machines

00:41:01.720 for the next election.

00:41:03.720 Now, you may not remember this, but this was at the time that the US was suffering a massive

00:41:09.720 chip shortage.

00:41:10.720 In fact, Joe Biden signed the CHIPS Act, the semiconductor shortage was causing real problems

00:41:14.720 all over the US.

00:41:16.720 So it's a bit odd that the US pressured Taiwan and said that Brazilian microprocessor imports

00:41:27.720 have priority over ours so that they could get built out all of these electronic voting machines.

00:41:34.720 Interesting.

00:41:35.720 The other thing that a lot of that money went to was building a network for our third character

00:41:40.720 in this story.

00:41:42.720 This guy.

00:41:43.720 And why didn't you play the video, Samson?

00:41:47.720 Because this is a little thing that he had done.

00:41:50.720 He likes walking around in this cape like Darth Vader.

00:41:54.720 Yeah.

00:41:56.720 This is how this man likes to present himself in his cape with a little wind machine.

00:42:02.720 That's a shop assistant from Hotfuls.

00:42:04.720 In all fairness, we do need to bring capes back.

00:42:08.720 He should be our side though.

00:42:10.720 Of course, obviously.

00:42:11.720 Indeed.

00:42:12.720 Um, he's the power behind the throne in Brazil.

00:42:17.720 Right.

00:42:18.720 Um, here's Mike Benz to do a bit of, because Mike Benz is good at this stuff.

00:42:22.720 Let's listen to Mike Benz.

00:42:25.720 So, Brazil has this tyrant judge, Demores, right?

00:42:33.720 This is the current war between Elon and this, you know, the head of Brazil's censorship court.

00:42:38.720 It's called the TSE.

00:42:39.720 It's a sub court of Brazil's Supreme Court, the STF.

00:42:42.720 And so, a lot of people see the actions of this one tyrant judge who basically has this ability to issue an edict

00:42:49.720 and then anything, anything posted online becomes instantly criminal.

00:42:52.720 Sitting parliamentarians in Brazil call the current president, Lula, a thief.

00:42:58.720 And the judge says, you're not allowed to say that.

00:43:00.720 The person faces, you know, a criminal judgment for, you know, demeaning the current president.

00:43:05.720 Going after journalists, going after politicians, going after ordinary civilians by any edict.

00:43:11.720 But there's a whole censorship substructure to what Demores is involved in.

00:43:15.720 There's, you know, advisory councils.

00:43:17.720 There's, there's a whole coterie of flaggers who, who propose the things to be flagged,

00:43:21.720 who do then the narrative network mapping, who challenges the results of Brazil's 2022 election.

00:43:26.720 Well, they need these outside institutions to create this whole narrative network map.

00:43:29.720 These are U.S. funded and U.S. back channel institutions who provide the entire substructure.

00:43:35.720 It's a Brazilian spider, but the spider web was laid by the U.S. State Department, USA,

00:43:39.720 the National Endowment for Democracy, and go through all their roles.

00:43:41.720 And the fangs of it are star spangled spangs.

00:43:43.720 This is the U.S. trying to take, the U.S. State Department trying to take out its political opposition in Brazil.

00:43:51.720 They went to war with Bolsonaro.

00:43:52.720 They called him Trump of the tropics.

00:43:54.720 They're waging the same campaign against Bolsonaro that they did through this,

00:43:58.720 through their own intermediaries to take out Trump during his term to censor him on the internet there,

00:44:02.720 and that they're using to censor Trump today through their work with the EU.

00:44:05.720 They're just doing that in Brazil to stop Bolsonaro.

00:44:08.720 So classic USAID, build the infrastructure, you know, multiple, you know, parts of the spider's web all at one time.

00:44:17.720 To fortify things.

00:44:18.720 To fortify, yes, to fortify an election.

00:44:22.720 Meanwhile, daft judge here, he basically, he basically puts the Supreme Court in his pocket.

00:44:31.720 Right.

00:44:32.720 Anyone appointed goes through him.

00:44:35.720 And they overturned the Lula conviction, that spiteful little goblin from the beginning. 0.94

00:44:39.720 They overturned the conviction.

00:44:41.720 And how they do it is on a technicality that they invent,

00:44:46.720 which is to say that the court that did him in for corruption lacked jurisdiction.

00:44:53.720 Then how did they do him in for corruption in the first place, then?

00:44:57.720 They didn't address that.

00:44:58.720 Oh.

00:44:59.720 No, they just sidestepped that.

00:45:00.720 We're not going to look at any of that.

00:45:01.720 We're just going to say that the court didn't have jurisdiction.

00:45:03.720 Therefore, he's out.

00:45:04.720 Therefore, he can run for president.

00:45:06.720 And therefore, and also they were pushing the electronic voting machines.

00:45:12.720 Would you believe it that that election took quite a while to process?

00:45:17.720 Well, after literally initially looking like a slam dunk for Bolsonaro, there were some regularities in areas where this guy had the most control.

00:45:28.720 And would you believe it, the rural regions from far off, they had extraordinary turnouts, extraordinary turnouts.

00:45:35.720 And a lot of the late votes found in the voting machines were actually for Lula.

00:45:40.720 I would believe that.

00:45:41.720 Funny enough.

00:45:42.720 So Lula won by something like is like forty nine point eight percent to fifty point two percent.

00:45:47.720 It was something ridiculous like that.

00:45:50.720 So.

00:45:51.720 He then goes off and does a whole bunch of other, you know, things.

00:45:55.720 Judicial overreach is a good one. 1.00

00:45:58.720 So basically, he was blocking Bolsonaro and his supporters, social media accounts, aggressively enforcing misinformation during the election campaign.

00:46:10.720 He was banned from posting many things as were his supporters.

00:46:14.720 Lula's conviction was overturned on technicality.

00:46:18.720 Multiple legal investigations and rulings against Bolsonaro while he's trying to campaign.

00:46:25.720 Lula faced none of those, obviously.

00:46:28.720 Oh, the margin of error actually fifty point nine to forty point forty nine point one.

00:46:33.720 And this was after lengthy delays and lots of questions about these voting machines.

00:46:37.720 And interestingly, Western media absolutely went to bat for Lula.

00:46:42.720 And anybody questioning the vote was was anti-democratic.

00:46:46.720 I think there might have even been a period on YouTube when you could.

00:46:49.720 It was against a terms of service to question.

00:46:51.720 Yes, I think that was lumped in with a number of the elections that you weren't allowed to question.

00:46:56.720 Probably still aren't.

00:46:57.720 No, I think I think they had taken that off now.

00:46:59.720 You could even question the Joe Biden one.

00:47:01.720 Oh, right, right.

00:47:02.720 Now that it's not relevant anymore.

00:47:04.720 Yeah.

00:47:05.720 Great, great terms of service.

00:47:06.720 So after this interesting election, Brazil erupted.

00:47:13.720 A lot of people saw it for what it was.

00:47:17.720 And we had what the West described as Brazil's Jan six, where huge numbers of them gathered in the capital.

00:47:25.720 And of course, they did the same thing.

00:47:26.720 Crackdowns, solitary confinement, all that kind of stuff.

00:47:30.720 This is where, however, Bolsonaro did let himself down a bit.

00:47:34.720 And this is the actual actual route of the downfall.

00:47:37.720 This is where the famous KFC picture comes from.

00:47:39.720 This is this.

00:47:40.720 I'm going to shoot the KFC picture.

00:47:42.720 So he was in Florida at the time.

00:47:44.720 And there are Brazilians, you know, outside his house. 0.94

00:47:47.720 You know, they're begging him to act.

00:47:49.720 There were millions on the streets in Rio begging him to act.

00:47:53.720 Now, to be perfectly fair to the man, there were lots of ongoing health issues.

00:47:59.720 So, you know, that's why he was in Florida getting treatment.

00:48:02.720 They did get stabbed.

00:48:03.720 So, yeah.

00:48:04.720 And it's and it's never quite it's never quite healed.

00:48:07.720 There were complications with that.

00:48:09.720 But the classic photo is of when, you know, the military would no doubt saying to him.

00:48:16.720 We can act.

00:48:17.720 We can do something.

00:48:19.720 He was pictured in KFC eating a KFC.

00:48:22.720 He didn't he didn't cross the Rubicon.

00:48:24.720 No, it was the baton was offered to him and he didn't take it.

00:48:27.720 He was like, no, I'm going to do it.

00:48:28.720 Rule of law.

00:48:29.720 Yeah, of course, they cheated.

00:48:30.720 But, you know, we have to maintain at least the appearance of democracy.

00:48:35.720 But he could he could have done something.

00:48:37.720 There was the popular will.

00:48:39.720 There was the military support, but he didn't do it.

00:48:43.720 The moment he was out of office and the election was over,

00:48:47.720 the Supreme Court launched multiple more investigations.

00:48:54.720 They launched investigations for abuse of political power, attack on democracy, plotting a coup, discussions of military officials.

00:49:00.720 And I don't doubt those those conversations took place.

00:49:03.720 But it would have been the military guy saying we're going to we're ready to act.

00:49:07.720 And him saying no, that was probably the level of the conversation.

00:49:11.720 So they barred him from office until 2030 and they've pursued claims of coup and conspiracy.

00:49:20.720 And, you know, other generals have been targeted as well.

00:49:23.720 And then, remarkably, recently, after a major surgery to deal with the ongoing complications with his stomach wound,

00:49:33.720 while he was in the ICU, he got served papers from the Supreme Court.

00:49:38.720 And they so they waited for this moment.

00:49:41.720 Then they served these papers and they did it with a minimum possible lead time like five days or something before the trial was going to be held.

00:49:49.720 So that is even in Brazil, that is unprecedented that that sort of thing has happened.

00:49:56.720 So.

00:50:00.720 News out that is in Portuguese.

00:50:04.720 So let me let me translate for you.

00:50:07.720 So former president Jair Bolsonaro was predictably convicted today in a perfectly constructed partial group of Supreme Court justices in a in a in a in a in a four one vote and is sentenced to 27 years and three months.

00:50:22.720 And it's going to be in one of the worst of the worst prisons in Brazil, the place where people get murdered daily.

00:50:30.720 That's where they're going to stick him.

00:50:33.720 And yes, that evil judge.

00:50:37.720 Yes, he was on the panel.

00:50:42.720 Of course he was.

00:50:45.720 He picked a five man panel as a subset of the Supreme Court to hold this trial.

00:50:51.720 And even though he picked the people who went on it, two of them couldn't bring themselves to do it.

00:50:57.720 They abstained.

00:50:58.720 One of the vote because this trial was a sham.

00:51:01.720 One of them voted against.

00:51:03.720 But him and another guy voted for and therefore three two to one.

00:51:08.720 That's it.

00:51:09.720 Twenty seven years jail.

00:51:10.720 And clearly this was a show trial.

00:51:12.720 Absolute show trial.

00:51:13.720 This is what total left wing victory looks like.

00:51:16.720 It's assassinations.

00:51:18.720 It's corruptions.

00:51:20.720 It's partisan courts.

00:51:22.720 It's political jailings.

00:51:24.720 And he's even got a bit of USAID deep state involvement in there as well.

00:51:28.720 This is this is what could have happened in the US.

00:51:32.720 And we in fact, we were close to this.

00:51:34.720 They were trying to jump in jail.

00:51:35.720 They tried to assassinate him.

00:51:37.720 This this is Brazil is simply the US on a slightly different timeline.

00:51:43.720 Except with the added thing that it's got a bit of US deep state involvement, which is why I was pleased to see that Marco Rubio has come out this morning to say what he's saying.

00:51:53.720 The political persecution by sanctioned human rights abuser.

00:51:57.720 This judge Morales continues as he and others on the Brazilian Supreme Court of unjustly ruled to imprison former president Bolsonaro.

00:52:06.720 The United States will respond accordingly to this witch hunt.

00:52:10.720 Good.

00:52:11.720 OK, yeah, good.

00:52:12.720 Good.

00:52:13.720 Now, you know, it was the Biden administration, not the Trump administration who did this to Bolsonaro in the first place.

00:52:19.720 But to be fair, US, if you broke it, you need to fix this.

00:52:22.720 Mm hmm.

00:52:23.720 I know that 90 percent of your effort needs to be on addressing domestic issues, especially at a time like this.

00:52:29.720 But all the same, you have a big overseas part of your government and you broke this.

00:52:36.720 So it does need to be fixed.

00:52:37.720 So, yep.

00:52:39.720 Face of evil in Brazil.

00:52:40.720 Now, having thoroughly depressed you with that.

00:52:43.720 Now's the time for the good news.

00:52:44.720 Now's the time for the good news.

00:52:46.720 And I still honestly can't quite believe this myself.

00:52:50.720 OK.

00:52:51.720 Right.

00:52:52.720 Right.

00:52:53.720 So, you know, the day in Nepal.

00:52:56.720 Yes.

00:52:57.720 Zoomers. 1.00

00:52:58.720 Well, it's basically the government shut down social media.

00:53:00.720 Right.

00:53:01.720 Right.

00:53:02.720 And the Zoomers are like, we're not having this. 1.00

00:53:03.720 And this was a far left government from what I've read.

00:53:05.720 Yes.

00:53:06.720 Yeah.

00:53:07.720 So the Zoomers, after they banned social medias, they overthrew the government. 0.99

00:53:11.720 And then they had a vote on Discord.

00:53:14.720 For real, for real.

00:53:16.720 The new Prime Minister.

00:53:17.720 No cap.

00:53:18.720 And the Nepalese military have accepted the vote.

00:53:22.720 I mean...

00:53:23.720 Based.

00:53:24.720 This whole story is completely insane.

00:53:28.720 It is.

00:53:29.720 And it makes me think that this might be why we don't get cracked down on as hard on social

00:53:36.720 media as they otherwise could or clearly want to.

00:53:39.720 Because there is very clear at this point that it's been commented following the murder

00:53:44.720 of Charlie Kirk that social media can and does act as a release valve for people's energy.

00:53:50.720 And they see something like this, which proves that, oh God, if we get rid of the whole thing,

00:53:54.720 people won't just be complaining.

00:53:56.720 They'll start to go underground, meet in their local pubs and organise...

00:54:01.720 Well, that's why Starmer's trying to shut down the pubs as well.

00:54:03.720 Well, yeah.

00:54:04.720 Well, and if this isn't good enough, and I'm just tagging it on to the end of the segment

00:54:09.720 because this was a bit too, and I wanted to cover Brazil and it's a bit too soon.

00:54:12.720 Sure.

00:54:13.720 I'm sure somebody will pick up this mantle on Monday.

00:54:16.720 If this isn't good enough, they've been tearing down the flag of Nepal on government buildings

00:54:21.720 and replacing it with a flag from Japanese anime.

00:54:25.720 Yeah, that's One Piece right there.

00:54:27.720 Is Nepal a particularly big fan of One Piece?

00:54:30.720 They must be.

00:54:31.720 I did overhear in the office some conversation that apparently the government was also trying

00:54:36.720 to do something to ban anime, presumably One Piece.

00:54:41.720 So was this literally the thing that stepped over the line?

00:54:44.720 That's why the riots started.

00:54:45.720 Yeah.

00:54:46.720 I understand neither Zoomers nor anime, so I can't come on this. 0.53

00:54:52.720 Well, this is the thing that you were talking about with AA on his channel yesterday.

00:54:57.720 What happens if you get rid of the release valve and then get rid of the circuses

00:55:03.720 and bread is exceedingly hard to come by?

00:55:06.720 Well, yes, quite.

00:55:07.720 This.

00:55:08.720 But let me tell you my politics now, right?

00:55:11.720 So, obviously, down with the boomers. 0.98

00:55:14.720 That's a given, right?

00:55:15.720 Skip the Gen X, just skip my generation, and honestly, we're fine with that 1.00

00:55:20.720 because we always knew that we were going to get skipped over,

00:55:23.720 that the boomers were going to hang on by for fingernails. 0.94

00:55:25.720 The millennials, when they start going on about their BLM and environmentalism,

00:55:32.720 just, okay, millennial, just shut the door, right? 0.54

00:55:35.720 Just, millennials, no. 1.00

00:55:36.720 They're quite easy to deal with.

00:55:38.720 What we want is the Zuma revolution. 0.74

00:55:41.720 I want the Zuma revolution. 0.94

00:55:42.720 Well, Daniel, vote of confidence is overwhelming.

00:55:45.720 Yes.

00:55:46.720 We're grateful for it.

00:55:47.720 And when they come for me and they put me in the set,

00:55:51.720 I'm still going to be fine with it.

00:55:52.720 I'm going to be like that guy in Monty Pie from the Life of Brian,

00:55:55.720 who's hanging on the wall going,

00:55:57.720 Oh, Zuma's wonderful people.

00:55:59.720 They only hung me the right way up last week,

00:56:01.720 but you're wonderful people.

00:56:03.720 You're just in there dressed like an anime character.

00:56:05.720 Yes.

00:56:06.720 Zuma's, make this happen. 0.94

00:56:11.720 A surprisingly positive message to end out.

00:56:13.720 Make this happen.

00:56:14.720 Imprison me, Zuma.

00:56:16.720 Imprison me.

00:56:17.720 Shall we go over some of the super chats and rumble rants relevant to this section?

00:56:22.720 Yeah, that won't fit into our other one.

00:56:24.720 Yes.

00:56:25.720 So, hapsification.

00:56:26.720 The flag is of the straw hat pirates from One Piece.

00:56:29.720 Yes, I thought I recognized it.

00:56:31.720 Cranky Texan.

00:56:32.720 According to Ben, Soros has made something like $250 million as a result of Lula's green energy mandates.

00:56:37.720 There's a motive.

00:56:38.720 That's certainly part of it.

00:56:40.720 We've mentioned how they got the guy who shot Charlie according to Trump.

00:56:45.720 Let's see on the YouTube chats.

00:56:47.720 Bring back Captain Darling's tash.

00:56:50.720 The first one.

00:56:51.720 The first one that we have noticed.

00:56:52.720 Very sorry.

00:56:53.720 I was on the way to work this morning and it fell off.

00:56:56.720 So I will retrace my steps.

00:56:58.720 Rentaker was right on it.

00:56:59.720 Book in the gutter.

00:57:00.720 And if I come in to work on Monday and it's still not there,

00:57:03.720 you'll know I couldn't find it to stick back on.

00:57:05.720 Right.

00:57:06.720 I do apologize.

00:57:07.720 Rob says, I'm beginning to think that you're scared of addressing super chats.

00:57:10.720 The podcast Lotus Eaters has Ofcom cast its eye upon you.

00:57:14.720 It's nothing to do with that.

00:57:15.720 It's simply the volume of super chats that we've had over yesterday and today.

00:57:19.720 It would take a podcast in itself to cover most of them.

00:57:22.720 Well, that's what we're doing.

00:57:23.720 Which is why we're doing it, lads.

00:57:24.720 That's why we're going to do it.

00:57:25.720 Word is Trump is going to use Rico on Soros.

00:57:29.720 That would be very entertaining, but the man is in his, like, 90s,

00:57:33.720 so who knows if he'd even face any consequences.

00:57:35.720 Still not a reason not to do it, though.

00:57:37.720 No.

00:57:38.720 Trump said on Fox they found the assassin.

00:57:39.720 We have mentioned that.

00:57:41.720 Zell, some shekels for Captain Darling to regrow the mustache.

00:57:44.720 Looks wrong without it.

00:57:45.720 You understand that the first few appearances he made on the podcast were sans mustache.

00:57:50.720 He only grew that when he started.

00:57:52.720 This is how I've walked most of my life, apart from the past four months, so I don't know what to tell you.

00:57:57.720 Yeah, and he looks fine either way.

00:57:58.720 It can grow back.

00:57:59.720 And let's see if there are any other...

00:58:05.720 Okay, it seems those are the ones relevant to the subject we just covered, so we'll move on to the final segment.

00:58:14.720 So, it was overshadowed earlier on this week, given the subsequent events of Charlie Kirk's assassination on Wednesday.

00:58:21.720 But on Tuesday, in the House Oversight Committee that's looking into the whole Epstein affair, and the government and FBI and CIA, any kind of elite institutional involvement into it, there was a drop of documents.

00:58:37.720 And there have been further developments, even since then, which have all led to Peter Mandelson being ousted from the UK government again.

00:58:46.720 This is the third time that it has happened to him.

00:58:49.720 With reference to the Epstein story, I want to preface all of this by saying, I do not expect...

00:58:58.720 You can correct me if I'm wrong on this, but I do not expect that there will be anything more than a few sacrificial lambs thrown to the slaughter,

00:59:06.720 as a result of the oversight committee.

00:59:09.720 Because it does seem to be a story that involves basically all of the most important heads of state that we've seen pass through the US offices of the past 20 years, if not 30, 40 years.

00:59:24.720 Many of the intelligence agencies who are actually the government of the world.

00:59:29.720 And they're not going to give themselves up.

00:59:32.720 You're not going to get a written statement from them all saying, here is exactly what happened.

00:59:38.720 Here is all the people who were involved in it, and here is how we are going to punish them.

00:59:43.720 What we are going to get is dribs and drabs of new information that might even end up becoming almost like the slop cycle.

00:59:52.720 It might just be like, oh, here's some more added information regarding the Epstein story that doesn't really go anywhere.

00:59:58.720 Especially if you believe, like me, that whatever happens to the Epstein operation is that it's moved on.

01:00:05.720 It's still going on, and there has simply been a replacement Epstein put in place that none of us have ever heard of.

01:00:11.720 Maybe we have heard of him, but we just don't know that it's him.

01:00:15.720 These kinds of affairs always go on with the intelligence communities.

01:00:20.720 Blackmailing material is always being gathered by them for one reason or another, and they need somebody in charge of that.

01:00:27.720 Despite that, though, the new information that we get is always interesting in putting together the wider story, as journalists like Whitney Webb have done.

01:00:37.720 And anything extra that we can get can expand our understanding of who is involved in it.

01:00:42.720 So while I'm not expecting, you know, the United States government to indict the entire CIA and then start to try and extradite other foreign criminals in foreign intelligence agencies,

01:00:54.720 whether that be MI6 or Mossad or any of the other ones that Epstein would have been in close contact with,

01:01:01.720 it is still important to see what has been developing.

01:01:05.720 Before I go into the drop of documents from Tuesday, one interesting thing that I sadly missed last time I covered part of this story was this Reason article,

01:01:15.720 which went over leaked emails where they found that Epstein towards in the last four years of his life was making inroads into security technology,

01:01:26.720 particularly that he had partnered with the former Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak.

01:01:32.720 Bear in mind, this is in 2015, seven years after his 2008 conviction for charges of human trafficking and inappropriate contact with minors,

01:01:43.720 some as young as 14 years old. Ehud Barak was still willing to work with him as a partner,

01:01:50.720 investing in a security tech startup called Reportee Homeland Security, now known as Carbine.

01:01:56.720 The leaked emails, some of which feature in here, show that there was a number of times where they were trying to get contact with and meetings set up with Peter Thiel.

01:02:07.720 Peter Thiel has addressed this and said that he had met Epstein kind of informally a number of times,

01:02:15.720 but that he wasn't fully aware of who he was speaking to at the time.

01:02:19.720 So, kind of an evasion of all of that.

01:02:22.720 So that's just some of the information that came out a few weeks ago as reported by Reason.

01:02:27.720 But the big thing that happened was that the Oversight Committee released all of these documents.

01:02:31.720 I have not read over all of them myself.

01:02:34.720 There are four drops which include documents, financial documents, agreements that he'd made,

01:02:41.720 a lot of official writings that had his signature on it.

01:02:45.720 But the big one that people were looking at was the elusive Birthday Files,

01:02:51.720 the 50th birthday book from 2003, which was 238 pages long,

01:02:58.720 and featured written and typed messages and signed typed messages from many people that he had been involved with

01:03:05.720 in the preceding years up until he was 50, of course.

01:03:09.720 And there is some very interesting stuff here.

01:03:11.720 There was lots of photographs, including one that you can see here where he's holding a large check.

01:03:16.720 A lot of the information has been redacted to save the identities of some of the women who were involved.

01:03:23.720 This is a pay to Jeffrey Epstein signed to Donald Trump for $22,500.

01:03:32.720 Very strange developments there.

01:03:35.720 If I carry on with this, they appear to include messages from the likes of Donald Trump and the UK Ambassador to Washington,

01:03:41.720 then UK Ambassador to Washington, Lord Peter Mandelson.

01:03:46.720 The one from Trump, if it loads, is this going to load, Samson?

01:03:51.720 Here it is.

01:03:52.720 Appears to be.

01:03:53.720 Now, Trump has denied that this was written by him and denied that this is his signature.

01:03:59.720 But it says,

01:04:01.720 Voice over, there must be more to life than having everything.

01:04:04.720 Donald, yes there is, but I won't tell you what it is.

01:04:06.720 It's written in some kind of strange dialogue.

01:04:08.720 It essentially ends with,

01:04:09.720 A pal is a wonderful thing, happy birthday, and may every day be another wonderful secret.

01:04:13.720 And it is drawn within the outline of a nude woman. 0.98

01:04:17.720 Very strange, but nothing too incriminating by itself.

01:04:21.720 Just very strange.

01:04:22.720 It's well known at this point that they had been friends for about 15 years by 2003,

01:04:27.720 and that it was around that time that they ended up having a fallout as a result of some wires getting crossed over,

01:04:34.720 both of them trying to outbid each other on some townhouse they were both looking at.

01:04:38.720 Some of the more interesting stuff in here as well, though, is that there is an extended selection of pages written by Peter Mandelson, including photographs,

01:04:50.720 where he essentially writes him a really loving little story, where he says that how he parachuted into his life,

01:04:58.720 and you were a man of mystery who gave me so many interesting opportunities and introduced me to so many interesting friends that I had to entertain.

01:05:07.720 Wait, wait, wait, wait.

01:05:09.720 That is a picture of Peter Mandelson, by the way.

01:05:13.720 Interesting is in commas, interesting friends.

01:05:18.720 I mean, what does that refer to?

01:05:20.720 I guess we'll have to figure it out ourselves.

01:05:24.720 That'll be up to speculation, because nothing in here is explicitly incriminating.

01:05:30.720 I mean, that's two friends talking in code about something you're not supposed to talk about.

01:05:34.720 Yes.

01:05:35.720 Indeed.

01:05:36.720 And it ends with saying that you would parachute back in, taking you by surprise.

01:05:42.720 And no matter what happens, you take me to your islands and hang out with his friends, which has in brackets yum yum.

01:05:50.720 Very strange thing to include there.

01:05:53.720 And wherever he is in the world, he remains my best pal.

01:05:57.720 So Peter Mandelson was a massive, dirty...

01:06:00.720 Can I say it?

01:06:02.720 I think it would be defamation.

01:06:05.720 I don't know if you could say it.

01:06:07.720 The producer is giving me the thumbs...

01:06:09.720 I can't say...

01:06:10.720 Okay, somebody in the chat say what I'm thinking.

01:06:14.720 We all know what you're trying to say, Dan, so carry on.

01:06:17.720 But it is interesting that Epstein was friends with so many people,

01:06:22.720 going all the way up to the highest halls of power within British government, American government.

01:06:27.720 There's an included message from seemingly signed by former President Bill Clinton,

01:06:32.720 which references Epstein's childlike curiosity.

01:06:35.720 Basically, everything in here seems to be referencing sexuality of some form in a very pervy and disturbing way.

01:06:46.720 As well as the birthday book, the documents released includes Epstein's will, his contact books, agreements he signed with prosecutors and financial transactions and holdings.

01:06:54.720 One of the most disturbing things that I saw in here, which again seems to suggest that everybody in here, or at least a significant number of people in this book knew what was actually going on,

01:07:08.720 is, if I can find it scrolling down, a particular illustration drawn as though it was by a child.

01:07:17.720 Where is it? Here it is. Look at this, Dan.

01:07:20.720 Here is a picture drawn of a younger Epstein in 1983 handing out lollipops to small girls,

01:07:28.720 and then in 2003 presumably those same girls, all in various stages of nudity, giving him a massage on the beach.

01:07:40.720 Um, right.

01:07:42.720 They're rubbing it in your face. They never expected this to come out, and this was sketched in the book,

01:07:48.720 but it's clear they all knew what was going on, they just didn't say.

01:07:52.720 I don't know if this could be, this could be more explicit, but it doesn't need to be more explicit.

01:07:58.720 That was in the book that these people were signing.

01:08:00.720 Yes. Again, Donald Trump has denied that it's his actual signature when, I believe it was the Wall Street Journal,

01:08:08.720 referenced this and found a letter, uh, and said that it was a part of this birthday book which was initially denied to have existed.

01:08:15.720 I believe that is why he is currently taking legal action against them for slander or defamation of some kind.

01:08:22.720 So that is the line that is being said right now, but anybody who did knowingly sign this is very, very suspect

01:08:30.720 if they were also aware that there were images like this in it which suggest that everybody knew what Epstein was doing all along.

01:08:37.720 Which was trafficking young girls, enticing young girls in, and then taking advantage of them. 0.73

01:08:43.720 It couldn't be more clear-cut.

01:08:46.720 So, not only was this not actually real, apparently, but, uh...

01:08:51.720 But it is, because we've got it now.

01:08:52.720 Right.

01:08:53.720 We've got the full thing.

01:08:54.720 But then the client list as well, that we've been assured is also not real, is, uh...

01:08:59.720 For legal reasons...

01:09:00.720 His contact books.

01:09:01.720 Oh, contact books.

01:09:02.720 Contact.

01:09:03.720 For legal reasons, I should point out that my earlier comments do not suggest that I think that Peter Mandelson was doing anything whatsoever with young girls.

01:09:12.720 Or boys, just to be clear.

01:09:15.720 And, uh, one of the other interesting things that, uh, for instance, Benny Johnson pointed out is that in some of the documents,

01:09:22.720 there was, uh, scribbles in the margins suggesting he is the boyfriend of blah-de-blah.

01:09:29.720 Blah-de-blah. 0.56

01:09:30.720 Don't know if that's Ghislaine Maxwell. 0.94

01:09:31.720 I don't believe Ghislaine Maxwell was redacted in any of these, so this must be some other girl who was seeing at the time saying,

01:09:39.720 we think he works for the CIA.

01:09:41.720 And on that, you mentioned Mike Benz in the last segment.

01:09:44.720 Mike Benz has also highlighted this, and then highlighted that, uh, one of the usual things that the CIA does is that if the media report on anybody as having had connections with the CIA,

01:09:56.720 they will run a name trace because, of course, not everybody in the CIA is going to be aware of everybody who's running particular operations for them at any one time,

01:10:05.720 but it will always be in a database somewhere.

01:10:08.720 And back in July 17th, he looked and found that there has been no CIA name trace done on Jeffrey Epstein because you can find information on who has been name traced by them.

01:10:19.720 And now, by the time he was posting this on the 9th of September, still nothing.

01:10:25.720 The CIA seem very uninterested in how involved in their own operations Jeffrey Epstein may or may not have been.

01:10:34.720 And that's one of the other reasons that, again, I'm not expecting there to be some gigantic indictment of the intelligence agencies come off of the end of this.

01:10:43.720 The Oversight Committee, independent as they may be, simply will not have the power to overthrow one of the most important and powerful agencies in the entire world.

01:10:54.720 The intelligence agencies, whether again, whether that be MI6, CIA, Mossad, whoever, seem to have a blank check to do whatever they want and have done for years.

01:11:04.720 You could say it goes back to JFK. And again, I expect that there were multiple intelligence agencies involved in that whole operation.

01:11:13.720 There was also something else that came out which was around the same time Mike Johnson had said that Trump was actually an FBI informant on the Epstein case and people were reporting on that.

01:11:25.720 But he has since walked back those comments saying that he didn't know if he used the right word.

01:11:31.720 I said FBI informant. I'm not sure. I wasn't there. So that was a nothing burger. That was a nothing burger.

01:11:37.720 The next thing that came of all of this was that more information was released about Peter Mandelson.

01:11:43.720 And just to remind you all of who Peter Mandelson is, he was one of the trio, the three amigos who formed the New Labour government with Blair at its head in 1997.

01:11:55.720 He was the guy who I believe since 1985 had been the director of their communications. He was their PR guy.

01:12:03.720 He built the New Labour image and framework. So he was one of the major reasons that we got Blair in 1997 in the first place.

01:12:10.720 And remember what he said was that they, back in 2004 I believe, sent out search parties to get immigrants to come into this country.

01:12:20.720 Yes.

01:12:21.720 In the same article that we get the very famous quote that Andrew Nether, a former adviser, said that the mass immigration policy was designed to rub the right's nose in diversity.

01:12:33.720 So that's the kind of quality of character we're talking about here.

01:12:36.720 I remember Peter Mandelson from the time. And I remember watching a documentary before Labour got into power, where Peter Mandelson, he had a moustache back then, but it fell off as well.

01:12:45.720 He had a moustache back then. And in this documentary, he's taking the BBC through his place and he's complaining about how poor he is and about how he's got rising damp coming up his walls and stuff like that.

01:12:55.720 After about four years of being in government, he had to resign for the first of about three times, I think, over scandals if he kept on buying multi-million pound properties.

01:13:04.720 So quite the turnaround on a minister's salary to go from complaining about how poor you are to getting involved in multiple scandals for multi-million pound property purchases. I don't know how that happened.

01:13:19.720 Previously, he'd been forced to resign twice. This is now the third time. The first time, I think, was in the first year of Labour getting in.

01:13:28.720 And it turned out that he had accepted a loan so that he could buy a house of over £350,000 and hadn't declared it.

01:13:37.720 And the next one was much bigger, I remember.

01:13:39.720 Yes, it was a lot bigger. And then he was forced to resign and then was straight back in government the year after in 99.

01:13:46.720 Yep. He's been sacked a lot for his behaviour.

01:13:49.720 But he always gets back in. And we'll see if this latest sacking ends up sticking or not.

01:13:55.720 Because this one ties it all together back to Epstein, where it reveals that Peter Mandelson had a very, as we know now from the birthday book,

01:14:04.720 had a very close relationship with Epstein. That was going back to 2003.

01:14:09.720 So the latest all of that information from the birthday book would relate to is to 2003.

01:14:15.720 We now have information through leaked emails from an old closed email address that Bloomberg and The Sun were able to get a hold of,

01:14:23.720 that this relationship carried on until potentially at least 2013.

01:14:29.720 Which again, like Ehud Barak being friends with him in 2015, starting business deals with him,

01:14:35.720 2013 is five years after his original conviction.

01:14:40.720 So that goes to show the kind of character that we're talking about here.

01:14:43.720 So according to this article, Bloomberg News obtained more than 100 previously unreported emails between Epstein and Mandelson from 2005 through to 2010,

01:14:53.720 casting new light on the relationship between the two in an interview.

01:14:57.720 Because, of course, this news got out ahead.

01:14:59.720 Here's some more of the images that were released from the book.

01:15:02.720 They sporadically put a few of these emails out through this.

01:15:06.720 They've retyped them up. So this is one from 2008 when he was going through his original conviction.

01:15:14.720 From Peter Mandelson to Jeffrey Epstein saying,

01:15:17.720 Reminder, you're fighting back so you need strategy, strategy, strategy.

01:15:21.720 Remember the art of war. 0.81

01:15:23.720 There's more of those dotted throughout here as well.

01:15:26.720 Let's see if I can find another one.

01:15:28.720 This one was through 2005 where Mandelson was asking,

01:15:33.720 Where are you going to the island at Christmas? I'm having trouble getting air tickets.

01:15:37.720 What are your plans and do I fit into them?

01:15:39.720 We don't know exactly which island that he's referring to because Epstein owned a few,

01:15:43.720 but I don't imagine that much good happened on any of them.

01:15:47.720 A number of photos.

01:15:49.720 Here's a 2006 Jeffrey Epstein male friend, clearly Mandelson, on island.

01:15:57.720 Here's one 2006.

01:15:59.720 I find it impossible to believe this is from Epstein to Mandelson,

01:16:02.720 but the district attorney said yesterday that he'd got the facts wrong.

01:16:05.720 So they were in constant close contact with this.

01:16:09.720 About it all, Mandelson tried to come out ahead of the story

01:16:12.720 on Wednesday morning in an interview with the Sun,

01:16:14.720 expressing remorse for his relationship,

01:16:16.720 saying I have a tremendous sense of regret not only that I met him in the first place,

01:16:20.720 but that I continued the association and I took at face value

01:16:24.720 the lies that he had fed me and many others.

01:16:27.720 So he was just convinced by Epstein's legendary charisma that this guy didn't do anything.

01:16:31.720 Yeah, but this isn't a casual relationship in the slightest.

01:16:33.720 No.

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01:17:20.720 in which the amount of evidence was weighed so heavily against him that he was put away by jury

01:17:27.280 or by a judge. This was a guilty plea. He received an outraged message from a friend anguished at

01:17:34.740 the injustice of it all. I think the world of you, and I feel hopeless and furious about what

01:17:40.460 has happened, Peter Mandelson wrote. I can still barely understand it. It just could not happen

01:17:46.280 in Britain. And to be fair, that's true, because we don't jail pedophiles in Britain for some reason.

01:17:52.260 Although they barely jailed Epstein, given the sweetheart deal that he was given after Acosta

01:17:56.820 was told that he belonged to intelligence, which we still don't have extra information on the story

01:18:01.720 regarding that. Epstein's deal, I believe, commuted his sentence down to I think it was 12 or 18 months,

01:18:08.760 and he didn't actually have to be at the cell all that often, so he wasn't really put in prison.

01:18:14.900 And yet Peter Mandelson still felt absolutely outraged at the grave injustice that had been

01:18:20.460 done to his friend. So looking back now, it is bizarre, now I think about it, just how

01:18:25.900 Teflon Mandelson was under the last Labour government. And he kept on racking up titles,

01:18:31.520 so I just checked. He's a lord, yes. Secretary of State for Trade and Industry, Secretary of State

01:18:36.620 for Northern Ireland, Secretary of State of Business Innovations and Skills, First Secretary of State,

01:18:40.360 Life Peerage, European Commissioner, Privy Councillor. I mean, honestly, you wouldn't have been surprised

01:18:47.800 one morning to wake up under the last Labour government to discover that he'd been made

01:18:50.460 an Archbishop. I mean, this guy just got everything handed to him. And looking at that in respect of

01:18:55.860 this, I'm wondering, was he a conjurer? Was he just too useful? Was there something else going on?

01:19:02.560 He does seem to be a political survivor. And he does seem to have a lot of utility for people in

01:19:08.040 power. Bear in mind, again, we're what, 10 days into the new government reconvening again?

01:19:13.680 Oh, yes, phase two.

01:19:14.560 Yeah, we're in phase two now. And he'd been made, back in February, ambassador to Washington.

01:19:21.120 The only actionable thing I've seen in phase two is that Mandelson got sacked. I don't know if it is

01:19:28.340 more phase two. I mean, they also lost Angela Rayner. Oh, yeah, Angela Rayner and Mandelson have

01:19:33.480 gone. Within 10 days. Yes. Impressive, impressive numbers. Finally, as part of this, as part of the

01:19:40.000 similar June 2008 email, he said to Epstein regarding his jail time, you have to be incredibly resilient,

01:19:49.120 fight for early release, and be philosophical about it as much as you can. The whole thing has

01:19:53.880 been years of torture, and now you have to show the world how big a person you are and how strong.

01:19:59.300 Your friends stay with you and love you. This is after a guilty plea to soliciting sex with a minor.

01:20:08.020 There is extra information held within these emails that Bloomberg reports on, including the

01:20:13.020 fact that Mandelson and Epstein seem to have been organizing a number of suspicious meetings with

01:20:19.220 somebody who had only been referred to as Mr. Big at the same time, with Lefke, who, if I remember

01:20:26.880 correctly, is an attorney called Lefkowitz. Yes, Jay Lefkowitz, who was one of Epstein's best defense

01:20:34.060 lawyers. So there are a number of meetings set up between Mr. Big and Lefkowitz, who I believe it

01:20:40.420 says here, yes, as well, Lefkowitz had been a senior advisor to former U.S. President George W. Bush's

01:20:45.800 administration as well. So again, connections everywhere. There is also an extensive connection

01:20:51.840 and contact made with J.P. Morgan, J.P. Morgan Chase and Co. throughout all of this, but that is

01:20:59.460 somewhat outside of the remit of this segment, because now let's take a look at the consequences

01:21:04.300 for Peter Mandelson. Well, he was sacked. For the first time in his now three resignations,

01:21:11.800 he didn't resign himself. He refused to resign and has officially been sacked as ambassador to

01:21:19.500 Washington. Yes. The Prime Minister asked the Foreign Secretary to withdraw Peter Mandelson

01:21:26.100 as ambassador. The Foreign Office released a full statement stating that in light of the additional

01:21:32.300 information in emails written by Peter Mandelson, Prime Minister has asked the Foreign Secretary to

01:21:36.980 withdraw him as ambassador. The emails show that the depth and extent of Peter Mandelson's relationship

01:21:41.640 with Epstein is materially different from that known at the time of his appointment. In particular,

01:21:48.080 Mandelson's suggestion that Jeffrey Epstein's first conviction was wrongful and should be challenged as

01:21:52.740 new information. In light of that, and mindful of the victims of Epstein's crimes, he has been withdrawn

01:21:57.540 as ambassador with immediate effect. This is putting more pressure on Starmer's government again.

01:22:04.400 Not only has he lost Angela Rayner, in quick succession now he's lost Mandelson, who, as Dan has pointed out,

01:22:10.460 seems to be a very useful political creature to have on your side. There is now a temporary ambassador,

01:22:17.200 I believe Jay Roscoe, has been appointed as temporary ambassador to Washington. Who knows who they're going

01:22:26.580 to put in the permanent position. And this has also raised a lot of questions about the relationship

01:22:33.120 between the vetting, between the people who vetted him in the first place, because he seems to have had

01:22:39.720 a strong relationship with McSweeney, who was the one who vetted him in the first place. There was also

01:22:46.480 reports from the Times that the government has admitted to basically already knowing about how extensive

01:22:53.040 his relationship with Epstein had been, even keeping in contact after the original 2008 conviction.

01:23:01.180 So is it simply the severity of the relationship which has made them reconsider the fact that he

01:23:09.240 thought it was wrong? What addition has this made that has pushed them over the edge? Or is it simply

01:23:17.500 that now that this is a public matter that everybody knows about, it makes them look bad, and they're

01:23:22.880 trying to save their own skin? Because I can't imagine that Labour were really wringing their hands about all of

01:23:28.840 this before Bloomberg and the Sun were reporting on it.

01:23:34.000 And there you go. Let's go through the chats regarding this segment. We've got a couple.

01:23:42.840 EE Explosion says, it's ironic that the control and tracking policies the government want to

01:23:48.320 introduce would be the most useful if used on people in the government. That's why they're not

01:23:52.120 going to be. Cranky Texan, I think people are using the wrong framework. When they call it a blackmail

01:23:57.060 ring, it seems to resemble something more like an initiation ritual. Why not both?

01:24:03.480 And in the super chats, One Piece plot is about fighting world government. Well, it is about pirates,

01:24:08.360 so they do like their independence. Scott G, some Indian guy used the list as toilet paper.

01:24:13.860 Perhaps. Perhaps. So the Charlie Sootkirk shooting suspect, according to the information that Samson has

01:24:22.800 put up in front of me right now, has been named as Tyler Robinson. No relation. No relation to me.

01:24:30.160 He's actually quite a common name. There's about 200 of them on Twitter.

01:24:33.860 Yes. Not all related to me. At least not anywhere near related to me. So Mr Robinson 22 was named as the

01:24:41.220 alleged assassination of Kirk, 31-year-old conservative influencer and confidant of Donald

01:24:46.000 Trump, who was shot during a rally at Utah University. Capture follows a two-day manhunt

01:24:50.560 for the gunman who fired a single lethal shot before jumping off the roof overlooking the event

01:24:54.320 and escaping. The president said the suspect's father helped to turn his son in after the FBI

01:24:59.200 released two pictures of a person of interest. Grainy pictures showed a white man wearing sunglasses,

01:25:04.180 a baseball hat, and a black sweatshirt that appears to feature an American flag, an eagle. I think we have him.

01:25:09.660 So is this actually, uh, is this the same guy that 4chan thought it was?

01:25:13.840 I don't remember the name. No, they came out with a different name.

01:25:16.160 They came out with a different name. Oh, all right.

01:25:17.680 But I mean, that's also heartbreaking that the father had to turn his own son in,

01:25:21.700 because this guy's going to get the death sentence.

01:25:24.260 By firing squad, if I recall. That's how they do it in Utah.

01:25:27.760 Um, but I mean, the firing squad is... The father had to do it. He had to do the right thing,

01:25:32.000 even though knowing his son was going to be executed for what he did.

01:25:34.640 The shame there is that firing squad was a military honourable death, really.

01:25:40.820 It came with a certain honour to it, and so I don't believe that we should be granting

01:25:46.500 any sort of honour to a coward like this. Anyway, do we have any...

01:25:49.880 No, the punishment for regicide throughout the Middle Ages was boiling.

01:25:54.280 Well, I don't think we could convince Trump on that, but, uh, yeah.

01:25:58.160 Let's, uh, go on to the video comments. Lots of video comments.

01:26:01.460 Lots of them.

01:26:04.160 Now, what about a welcome to our masked pipes and drums?

01:26:08.900 Come on, everyone. Give them the welcome that they deserve.

01:26:13.200 Come away. Let me tell you who they are.

01:26:15.700 The pipe bands of Ballinger, Lauren, Perth, Donota, Blair Gowdy,

01:26:22.880 Kintour, Gawkenston, Huntley, Langham, and Ellen.

01:26:27.600 Our leading drum major is Roland Stewart,

01:26:30.300 and our leading pipe major is Ian Stewart. Come on!

01:26:35.640 Really, we needed Rory on the panel to appreciate that one.

01:26:38.480 Yes.

01:26:39.720 It's like a very nice afternoon.

01:26:40.940 So far, what I've seen on Facebook and Twitter are leftists mocking Charlie Kirk

01:26:46.560 and all others being sensitive about his death.

01:26:48.420 At the time of recording, no one is claiming that this was a right-wing false flag attack,

01:26:51.640 but I'm confident that that will happen when they realise just how much his murder

01:26:54.360 galvanised the right into action.

01:26:56.100 I'm saying this because in however many years, when you're identifying them to the police

01:26:59.160 or signing into law something which criminalises their behaviour, or whatever else,

01:27:02.680 and they're screaming and pleading and crying at you,

01:27:05.540 look them dead in the eye and remember how they acted

01:27:08.000 when they had a chance to show their true colours.

01:27:09.600 They hate you, and it will be your duty to be deaf to their theatrics

01:27:13.820 and do what needs to be done to thwart them, however cruel you're accused of being.

01:27:20.460 Let's carry on.

01:27:22.620 People do not understand how devastating Charlie Kirk's death is

01:27:27.180 to the American spirit and psyche.

01:27:30.580 He was the open advocate for peaceful dialogue.

01:27:38.580 And essentially a Democrat, and he is gone now.

01:27:43.000 And there is a rage.

01:27:45.520 It's not dead.

01:27:46.840 It is heartbreaking.

01:27:51.060 It is.

01:27:51.200 Hey loadseaters, I'm on the beach.

01:27:56.280 Here's my view.

01:27:58.080 Very nice.

01:27:58.840 Now, I'm doing a project management course funded by the government,

01:28:02.420 and we all had to give an instruction to ourselves,

01:28:04.580 because there's quite a few people on it.

01:28:06.300 There was one woman who said she was fired from her company

01:28:09.120 because Donald Trump's tariffs increased prices

01:28:11.620 and she worked for the DEI team

01:28:14.300 and the entire team was laid off.

01:28:16.480 And then there's another woman who worked in global development,

01:28:19.520 whatever that means,

01:28:20.600 and because Trump cut USAID, she was fired too.

01:28:24.040 So here I am at my local grocery store

01:28:35.780 in deeply communist New York State.

01:28:40.580 Yep.

01:28:42.520 Flying the flag past staff.

01:28:48.320 God bless Charlie Kirk.

01:28:51.040 God bless America.

01:28:51.940 God bless America.

01:28:54.620 I heard that New York State outside of Manhattan

01:28:57.140 is actually quite a nice place

01:28:58.620 and probably more rural towns.

01:29:01.820 The upstate bit, I've heard that.

01:29:02.640 Yeah, I've heard upstate New York's all right.

01:29:04.640 Correct me if I'm wrong on that.

01:29:06.000 Let me know in the comments.

01:29:07.880 It's sad when someone dies,

01:29:10.760 but it's a tragedy when someone dies young.

01:29:17.200 Charlie Kirk was pretty important, I think.

01:29:22.200 And it's a tragedy.

01:29:25.020 He will be missed.

01:29:28.460 Yeah.

01:29:29.520 Rest in peace.

01:29:30.400 He will be missed.

01:29:35.540 Carry on.

01:30:00.620 Remember, by simply living a good life, you are a thorn in the side of the spiteful

01:30:09.260 mutants and are hence fighting them.

01:30:18.260 I hope the fairs are going well for you.

01:30:35.260 Yes.

01:30:36.260 It's been interesting to see them evolve to the point where they're out and about on their

01:30:39.260 own now.

01:30:40.260 You must be so proud.

01:30:42.260 Shall we read a couple of the website chats before we're done?

01:30:45.260 We've got another minute or two.

01:30:47.260 Yeah, just to say, I'm looking at photos of this Tyler Robinson chap.

01:30:52.580 He appears to come from a normal middle class family, had a normal decent upbringing, you

01:30:58.260 know, being taken part of regular American life.

01:31:02.400 What the hell happened to this guy?

01:31:04.260 Have we checked BlackRock commercials yet for this guy?

01:31:08.260 Yeah, was he featured in any Doctor Who adverts?

01:31:13.580 This is bizarre.

01:31:14.580 What was that, Dan?

01:31:15.580 I didn't catch everything that you said, sorry.

01:31:18.260 Basically, I'm looking at photos of his life.

01:31:20.260 He had a perfectly normal middle class upbringing, you know, did all the things, went to the sports

01:31:25.580 events, the boating.

01:31:26.580 You know, he looks like an entirely regular guy.

01:31:29.900 He doesn't, I mean, he's not even chopped his bits off.

01:31:32.900 I mean, what is, I don't know what's happened here.

01:31:35.900 It, I mean, it doesn't mean that he's not been brainwashed.

01:31:39.580 Yeah, maybe he's the one Zoomer that actually watches mainstream media. 0.67

01:31:44.220 Yeah.

01:31:45.220 I'll, I'll read through some of these, uh, some of these honourable ones here.

01:31:50.060 So, Russian Garbage Human says, what happened to Luca, with a, in all caps. 0.64

01:31:55.220 All caps.

01:31:56.220 You know he means it.

01:31:57.220 Like, he, he shaved, guys.

01:31:59.780 It's that simple.

01:32:00.980 Michael Dry Belbus, on a lighter note, noticed that Luca has removed the stash.

01:32:05.700 Makes him look younger, but now he lacks the Captain Darling dynamic.

01:32:09.620 Bring back the stash.

01:32:10.580 I don't think calling him Captain Darling is going to encourage him to bring it back somehow.

01:32:14.820 I don't mind.

01:32:15.380 Although, removing facial hair always makes a man look younger.

01:32:19.140 It's whether you've got the, uh, facial structure to pull it off afterwards.

01:32:23.140 And, uh, with that, we've reached half past two.

01:32:25.540 I think we should call it there, seeing as we've got lads hour in half an hour.

01:32:29.780 And if you are a member on the website, please join us for that.

01:32:32.740 We're going to be trying to catch up with as many of the super chats as we possibly can.

01:32:38.740 And I believe, can we say who we've got on?

01:32:40.660 Yes, we've got a very special guest, Professor Ed Dutton.

01:32:44.660 Yes, he'll be joining us in analyzing the spiteful mutants who we see among us now.

01:32:51.220 Anyway, we'll see you there.

01:32:52.580 And if you've not got a website membership, then consider getting one,

01:32:56.660 especially if you've sent a super chat in.

01:32:59.460 So hopefully we can go through yours.

01:33:01.620 If not, we'll see you again next week. Take care.

01:33:22.580 Thank you.

01:33:26.660 You

01:33:28.820 And

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The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - September 12, 2025

The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1251

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