The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1257

00:00:00.000 Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen. Welcome to the podcast of the Lotus Eaters for Monday, the 22nd of September, 2025.

00:00:06.660 I know it's a Monday, but it's going to be a very good show today because a lot of very interesting things have happened.

00:00:11.680 I'm joined by Nate Anferas, and today we're going to be talking about the grandiose Charlie Kirk Memorial and some of the reactions to it.

00:00:20.340 How we have decided to recognize Palestine, which I'm sure is going to be a very level-headed thing that people are going to respond to.

00:00:31.280 And some good news that the British Defence League is actually in control of the country under Nate.

00:00:39.340 And we are calling the shots, actually. I don't know whether you've noticed, but the dialectic is being cranked in the right's favor,

00:00:46.680 and we're getting what we want from basically everyone, which is wonderful, and I like to see it.

00:00:52.340 So before we get started, this will be the very last week that Islander 4 is on sale for,

00:00:58.620 so get it while you can at shop.loses.com, because otherwise you're going to have to go to eBay because we are not reprinting them.

00:01:04.680 We will have some that we might put on sale, live events from our own personal stocks of it,

00:01:09.960 but it's going to be a pain to get afterwards. You're going to have to pay hundreds of pounds on eBay,

00:01:13.660 and you will regret not getting it.

00:01:15.140 So, anyway, right, let's begin with Charlie Kirk's memorial service, but we have the wrong thing up there, Samson,

00:01:21.580 so I'll let you get that up.

00:01:23.180 So, obviously, after the assassination of Charlie Kirk, it's been 12 days now,

00:01:28.860 and it was 11 days on the day of the memorial yesterday,

00:01:31.900 and it's definitely changed the United States.

00:01:37.460 All of my American friends, I don't want to say radicalized, that's not the right word,

00:01:42.040 because their opinions haven't changed.

00:01:44.440 They're still exactly the kind of Republicans that they were before.

00:01:48.600 They're still, you know, pro-America and all this sort of thing.

00:01:50.500 But the willingness to concede is the thing that has changed.

00:01:57.480 I've seen them become a lot more entrenched in their position to say,

00:02:00.540 you know what, no, I am right, you are wrong, and I'm not even going to entertain

00:02:04.560 what your argument is against my position at this point.

00:02:07.760 So it's affirmed their conviction, then?

00:02:09.640 Yeah, yeah, it's a deep sort of retrenchment in the right, and a unity in the right,

00:02:15.500 which I haven't actually ever seen before.

00:02:18.080 The closest, I think, that we got to it was the initial campaign of Donald Trump, actually,

00:02:23.140 where he was battering his way through all of the old Republicans, the rhinos,

00:02:27.480 and casting them into the pit of Hades, which was great.

00:02:31.780 But, yeah, so there's a huge, huge amount of really positive energy

00:02:36.400 which surrounds this memorial for Charlie Kirk.

00:02:39.480 As you see, this is people, tens of thousands of people.

00:02:41.760 It was held in Phoenix, Arizona.

00:02:43.780 And tens of thousands of people were just standing since 4 a.m.,

00:02:47.260 because otherwise you weren't going to get into the stadium.

00:02:50.980 And I just want to, I mean, this is just, like, obviously you had

00:02:54.480 millions of people watching it online, you know.

00:02:57.320 Like, when I tuned into it, there was something like 600,000 people

00:03:00.860 watching live on just the YouTube stream, and then it's being streamed everywhere else.

00:03:04.340 And you can see the stadium there.

00:03:05.580 I mean, this is just absolutely packed.

00:03:07.480 It was being watched in France.

00:03:09.240 It was being watched everywhere.

00:03:10.140 It was being broadcast in France late at night, and people were watching it there.

00:03:14.160 Yeah.

00:03:14.680 So, um...

00:03:15.480 And so it's, you know, like, you know, it's just all over the place.

00:03:19.500 Wow.

00:03:19.800 All over the place.

00:03:21.300 And so you've got, you know, a huge unifying experience

00:03:26.560 for the American right going on, which is really interesting.

00:03:31.700 Because I don't think anyone expected this to be as...

00:03:36.920 I mean, I no one expected this to happen.

00:03:38.920 And everyone, in their moment of grieving,

00:03:41.920 they weren't sort of projecting themselves into the future.

00:03:44.920 Everyone was very concerned with the here and now,

00:03:46.920 thinking, oh my God, look what's happened.

00:03:49.520 But this has really just drawn everyone together,

00:03:52.900 because...

00:03:53.520 And there were people who were critics of Charlie Kirk from the right,

00:03:56.640 obviously.

00:03:57.320 I mean, lots of people were critical of him from the right.

00:03:59.160 But that's all fallen away at this point.

00:04:02.480 No one cares about the doctrinal differences they had

00:04:05.620 on any individual issue with Charlie Kirk.

00:04:08.020 What matters is, he was one of ours, and they murdered him.

00:04:12.100 And that's it.

00:04:13.220 That's the end of the story, right?

00:04:14.740 He was the debate guy who wanted to talk to you,

00:04:17.100 who actually cared about your opinions,

00:04:19.020 and you murdered him.

00:04:19.860 So, forgive us if we don't care about your opinions.

00:04:23.560 We're not interested in talking to you,

00:04:25.480 is the attitude of many right-wingers in America at the moment.

00:04:28.720 Anyway, so you had snipers on the roof,

00:04:31.220 protecting...

00:04:32.240 the crowd,

00:04:35.620 because, unfortunately,

00:04:37.920 that's a dire necessity, isn't it?

00:04:39.980 In America.

00:04:41.280 Now, just as a quick thing,

00:04:42.840 I don't know about any of the conspiracy theories

00:04:44.740 about Charlie Kirk's death,

00:04:45.740 and I'm not inclined towards conspiracy theories,

00:04:48.500 so I'm just going to go with the official narrative

00:04:51.120 as it stands at the moment.

00:04:52.420 It was a deranged leftist with a .306 rifle,

00:04:57.220 or something that shot him from a rooftop.

00:04:59.700 And so, unsurprisingly,

00:05:00.780 they have to make sure their roofs are covered,

00:05:02.860 because America is no longer a safe place.

00:05:05.280 And the thing is,

00:05:05.720 it's not the only leftist shooter in recent days.

00:05:08.140 In the last week, there have been three.

00:05:10.420 So, anyway, moving on.

00:05:13.260 Like I said,

00:05:14.660 this is a unifying experience for the right.

00:05:18.720 Here's Elon and Trump at the service,

00:05:21.480 sat next to each other.

00:05:22.280 Which is, you know,

00:05:27.220 a nice thing to see,

00:05:28.680 especially after they've very publicly beefed.

00:05:31.300 There's a photo of them shaking hands.

00:05:32.840 I saw that.

00:05:33.680 It's not in that clip.

00:05:34.700 After they've very publicly beefed

00:05:36.520 and called each other on all sorts of mean names.

00:05:38.940 In the wake of this experience,

00:05:41.420 it's really made the small differences,

00:05:44.500 the sort of the vanity of the small differences,

00:05:46.940 fall away.

00:05:47.920 It seemed far less important,

00:05:49.900 because actually, it could be you tomorrow.

00:05:51.480 Martyrdom is a fundamentally unifying thing.

00:05:55.260 That's why the Catholics say

00:05:56.220 that the blood of martyrs is the seat of the church.

00:06:00.060 So, this is what happened.

00:06:01.980 And you rally around your martyrs,

00:06:03.640 and you put aside your small differences,

00:06:05.540 and you try to figure out,

00:06:06.640 okay, there are people trying to kill.

00:06:09.040 Yes.

00:06:09.220 How do we deal with them?

00:06:10.080 Well, it's interesting, isn't it,

00:06:11.480 the radical left,

00:06:13.860 how sort of brazen they were to state

00:06:16.160 when all of this happened.

00:06:18.120 There were numerous that were saying,

00:06:19.600 oh, well, you know,

00:06:20.200 he'll never go down as a martyr.

00:06:21.660 Quite literally.

00:06:22.180 Well, we'll get to those in a minute,

00:06:23.800 if that's all right,

00:06:24.540 because I'm going to go through those in a minute,

00:06:26.200 because very rarely have I heard a take that wrong.

00:06:32.900 Anyway, as you can see,

00:06:34.420 they had to give their speeches,

00:06:37.020 in Charlie Kirk's memory,

00:06:38.720 from behind bulletproof glass.

00:06:40.960 And it is not in any way an exaggeration

00:06:44.420 to say this was a very reasonable precaution to take.

00:06:47.460 Yeah, no, absolutely.

00:06:49.360 It's such a shame, isn't it?

00:06:51.140 Yeah, it is.

00:06:51.460 We shouldn't have to live like that,

00:06:53.160 and we didn't have to live like that.

00:06:55.620 Like, this is a relatively new phenomenon,

00:07:00.160 and it's tragic.

00:07:01.600 It's absolutely tragic.

00:07:02.760 It's a choice as well.

00:07:04.200 Yeah, it is a choice.

00:07:05.620 Yes.

00:07:06.380 But it is, unfortunately,

00:07:07.420 the reality of political discourse in America at this point.

00:07:10.220 So, yeah, no, I don't blame them at all

00:07:13.520 for giving their speeches from behind bulletproof glass.

00:07:16.540 So, let's go through some takes that people gave,

00:07:20.820 some notables.

00:07:22.200 Elon Musk was asked by a journalist

00:07:24.080 what his opinion was.

00:07:26.580 Why was he killed?

00:07:30.760 He was killed because his words made a difference.

00:07:35.880 Because he was showing people the light.

00:07:40.720 And he was killed by the dark.

00:07:42.960 Thank you, sir.

00:07:43.480 It was quite an emotional-sounding piece there,

00:07:48.240 but I think Elon really did hammer it correctly there.

00:07:51.720 Like, he was killed because his words were making a difference.

00:07:54.840 Yes.

00:07:55.140 If his words didn't make a difference,

00:07:56.800 he wouldn't have been such a hate figure for the left,

00:07:59.400 and they would have just ignored him or laughed at him.

00:08:01.460 People hate the truth, right?

00:08:03.280 Yeah, they absolutely did.

00:08:04.260 And if his words did not bring light,

00:08:06.620 they would not be that angry.

00:08:08.300 Yes.

00:08:08.740 The sort of demonic forces of the left

00:08:10.420 would not be that angry

00:08:11.860 and would not be reveling in his death

00:08:14.340 in the way that they did

00:08:15.320 until there were consequences.

00:08:16.760 It's funny, isn't it?

00:08:17.360 Because it's illustrative of a few incidents

00:08:20.220 that have happened

00:08:20.920 throughout the last couple of years.

00:08:23.000 Libs of TikTok,

00:08:23.820 I mean, all they did, for instance,

00:08:25.300 was just show insane videos

00:08:28.020 and go,

00:08:28.620 look how mental this person is.

00:08:30.940 And she's a hate figure on the left now, yeah.

00:08:32.840 Yeah, she got darks.

00:08:33.780 People tried to attempt murder and things like that.

00:08:37.820 And that's the thing, right?

00:08:39.120 Like, the truth hurts these people.

00:08:40.900 Exactly.

00:08:41.420 And that was what Charlie Cook...

00:08:44.200 That's what makes them creatures of the dark.

00:08:46.360 That's what makes them creatures of the dark.

00:08:48.740 And I like the light-dark motif here as well,

00:08:51.640 because it's very much the left's modus operandi to censor,

00:08:57.100 as in,

00:08:57.380 I want to make sure that people aren't aware

00:08:59.360 of who you are, what you think,

00:09:01.000 and any consequences that follow from that.

00:09:03.640 Whereas the right has always been like,

00:09:04.920 look, I'll show you my enemy.

00:09:06.680 Here's my enemy.

00:09:07.560 This is the stupid thing they say.

00:09:08.940 This is the repulsive creatures that they are.

00:09:12.000 And so it very much is

00:09:13.340 the sort of light-dark motif being played out

00:09:15.740 just in the general political environment,

00:09:18.000 which I have to say,

00:09:19.040 I really do quite like it.

00:09:20.560 Tucker's speech was deeply Christian.

00:09:22.900 Now, there's a particular clip of him

00:09:24.820 talking about the Pharisees

00:09:26.080 and how they killed Jesus to silence him,

00:09:28.800 which has been going around,

00:09:31.420 and everyone's like,

00:09:31.900 ah, this is anti-Semitic.

00:09:33.240 And it's like, well, I mean,

00:09:34.100 he's speaking about a particular event

00:09:37.000 that is documented in the Bible

00:09:38.740 by specific people...

00:09:40.640 Exactly.

00:09:41.320 ...who took specific actions.

00:09:42.680 He's not abstracting that

00:09:44.740 into an entire class of people.

00:09:46.460 And frankly, I'm sick and tired

00:09:48.720 of being told that

00:09:50.020 Christianity must always be

00:09:52.000 in a defensive crouch

00:09:53.760 and afraid of what others will think.

00:09:56.500 No, no.

00:09:57.540 Christianity is true.

00:09:58.360 Everybody else is wrong.

00:09:59.320 That's the end of that discussion.

00:10:00.460 Well, that's definitely

00:10:01.800 the opinions of Christians.

00:10:03.220 But Tucker gave a deeply Christian speech,

00:10:07.060 actually,

00:10:07.640 if you listen to more of it.

00:10:08.920 And I'm going to play a little bit of it.

00:10:10.340 Because Tucker,

00:10:11.020 I'm always amazed

00:10:12.000 at just how good a public speaker Tucker is.

00:10:14.760 He doesn't have a script.

00:10:15.840 He just goes up there

00:10:16.700 and he sits there

00:10:17.560 just not even riffing,

00:10:19.620 just explaining what he genuinely thinks.

00:10:21.420 And it comes out like poetry.

00:10:23.680 ...of what we've known for 2,000 years,

00:10:27.500 which is any attempt

00:10:29.740 to extinguish the light

00:10:31.200 causes it to burn brighter

00:10:32.840 every single time.

00:10:38.400 So as we...

00:10:40.420 As we proceed into whatever comes next

00:10:45.580 and clearly something's coming next,

00:10:49.520 remember this moment.

00:10:51.180 Remember being in a room

00:10:52.620 with the Holy Spirit

00:10:54.280 humming like a tuning fork.

00:10:58.120 This is the way.

00:10:59.720 Right here.

00:11:00.740 This is the way.

00:11:02.580 And that is what Charlie Kirk was saying

00:11:04.440 underneath it all.

00:11:05.440 Thank you.

00:11:06.120 And God...

00:11:06.440 So, I mean, you can see

00:11:08.660 that he's just a superb rhetorician.

00:11:11.440 And obviously this whole...

00:11:13.380 The whole thing

00:11:14.040 was very, very deeply Christian,

00:11:16.080 which is what one would expect.

00:11:17.920 J.D. Vance gave a very mature

00:11:22.120 and manly speech, I thought.

00:11:25.060 We'll play a clip of it as well

00:11:26.660 because I particularly enjoyed it.

00:11:28.900 The thing is,

00:11:30.100 J.D. Vance had...

00:11:31.360 There was a risk of him

00:11:32.560 coming off a bit too strong,

00:11:34.200 actually.

00:11:35.640 It could have gone down poorly

00:11:38.140 if there wasn't such a nice energy

00:11:41.320 in the stadium.

00:11:42.380 Better to die a young man

00:11:44.020 in this world

00:11:44.960 than to sell your soul

00:11:46.360 for an easy life

00:11:47.440 with no purpose,

00:11:48.540 no risk,

00:11:49.180 no love,

00:11:49.780 and no truth.

00:11:58.580 Christ told us

00:11:59.600 in the Gospel of John,

00:12:00.840 I have said these things to you

00:12:02.640 that in me

00:12:03.740 you may have peace.

00:12:05.840 In the world

00:12:06.860 you will have tribulation.

00:12:09.320 But take heart,

00:12:10.900 I have overcome

00:12:12.120 the world.

00:12:17.740 So, again,

00:12:18.820 strong stuff.

00:12:19.560 It's better to die a young man

00:12:20.560 in this world

00:12:20.960 than to sell your soul

00:12:21.640 for an easy life

00:12:22.320 with no purpose,

00:12:23.020 no risk,

00:12:23.360 no love,

00:12:23.600 and no truth.

00:12:25.020 But I agree.

00:12:26.480 That's the thing.

00:12:27.260 I fundamentally agree.

00:12:28.880 Someone might say,

00:12:30.040 well, this is a bit insensitive

00:12:31.080 at a funeral.

00:12:31.740 It's like, well,

00:12:32.580 I think Charlie Kirk

00:12:33.420 would agree with that,

00:12:34.020 actually.

00:12:35.280 I guess I see what you're saying,

00:12:36.660 but he's actually applauding Charlie.

00:12:38.360 Well, of course he is, yeah.

00:12:39.680 But you, you know,

00:12:40.500 he lived a...

00:12:42.140 Of course.

00:12:42.740 But the, you know,

00:12:44.320 I mean,

00:12:44.700 it could be interpreted

00:12:47.060 differently.

00:12:48.140 I wouldn't, obviously.

00:12:49.500 I mean,

00:12:50.220 if at a funeral

00:12:51.400 the best thing you can say

00:12:52.620 is that

00:12:53.520 his life and death

00:12:54.960 had great meaning.

00:12:55.900 Yes.

00:12:56.860 And obviously

00:12:57.760 this is a man

00:12:58.460 whose life

00:12:58.920 and whose death

00:12:59.780 had enormous meaning.

00:13:01.780 The fact that this

00:13:02.680 became a

00:13:03.940 religious celebration,

00:13:06.360 again,

00:13:06.720 is a sign

00:13:07.320 that it is

00:13:07.900 in fact martyrdom.

00:13:09.540 Yeah, it is.

00:13:10.260 That's absolutely true.

00:13:12.580 There's,

00:13:13.240 if anything,

00:13:14.600 it would be hard

00:13:15.120 to describe this

00:13:15.980 as not a martyr's death.

00:13:17.900 Precisely.

00:13:18.400 I don't even know

00:13:18.940 how you would go about

00:13:19.960 making the argument.

00:13:21.380 Then you had

00:13:22.060 the speech

00:13:22.800 from Erica Kirk

00:13:24.080 who decided

00:13:25.280 that she would,

00:13:26.100 in proper Christian fashion,

00:13:27.440 forgive her killer.

00:13:28.720 And this

00:13:29.560 shared a lot.

00:13:30.680 father,

00:13:36.700 forgive them

00:13:37.600 for they not

00:13:39.380 know what they do.

00:13:43.100 That man,

00:13:46.720 that young man,

00:13:48.800 I forgive him.

00:13:52.600 So it's at this point

00:14:07.760 that I have to break

00:14:08.800 with my Christian friends.

00:14:11.640 Everyone knows

00:14:12.480 I have many Christian friends.

00:14:13.520 I'm an ally of Christianity.

00:14:16.440 But I wouldn't forgive him.

00:14:17.920 I would drag him

00:14:18.740 around the walls of Troy

00:14:20.020 from a chariot

00:14:21.160 displaying his body.

00:14:22.660 I'm a lot more pagan

00:14:23.620 on these things.

00:14:25.040 I'm afraid

00:14:25.720 people who do terrible things

00:14:27.720 deserve terrible things

00:14:28.640 to happen to them.

00:14:29.660 And I think

00:14:30.340 I would be quite happy

00:14:31.660 to do them myself

00:14:32.580 as a restoration of justice.

00:14:35.620 Explain to me

00:14:36.220 why that's wrong.

00:14:37.240 The two are not

00:14:37.800 in any way in conflict.

00:14:39.140 Okay.

00:14:39.860 The two are not

00:14:40.620 in any way in conflict.

00:14:42.100 You,

00:14:43.700 as a Christian,

00:14:44.940 you punish him

00:14:46.060 not out of animosity

00:14:48.040 towards him,

00:14:49.080 but because justice

00:14:50.580 demands that

00:14:52.020 and because the order

00:14:53.660 of society demands that.

00:14:55.960 And so there is no conflict

00:14:57.500 between personal forgiveness

00:14:59.060 and the state delivering justice

00:15:02.200 including the death penalty.

00:15:04.440 These two,

00:15:05.180 like there's a sword in Germany

00:15:06.940 that keeps making

00:15:07.720 the rounds on X

00:15:08.760 which sort of states

00:15:10.620 that I hope

00:15:11.820 that this helps

00:15:12.580 get him into heaven.

00:15:14.280 May the sinner

00:15:14.960 be given eternal life.

00:15:16.140 May the sinner

00:15:16.940 be given eternal life.

00:15:17.900 Exactly.

00:15:18.080 So there is no conflict

00:15:20.740 between wanting justice

00:15:22.820 and you personally

00:15:24.860 loving your enemy

00:15:26.820 and choosing to forgive.

00:15:28.660 The mistake

00:15:30.180 is wanting one

00:15:31.760 but not the other.

00:15:32.840 Is wanting only retribution

00:15:34.420 or wanting only forgiveness

00:15:37.580 without any retribution.

00:15:39.420 And obviously

00:15:39.920 the condition

00:15:40.640 for the murderer

00:15:41.380 to go to heaven

00:15:42.060 is his genuine repentance.

00:15:45.800 If like

00:15:46.500 when you go

00:15:47.720 when you go to confession

00:15:49.400 it's not confession

00:15:50.140 it's the sacrament

00:15:50.860 of reconciliation.

00:15:52.180 The first part

00:15:53.240 of the sacrament

00:15:53.740 is the confession.

00:15:55.500 You admit

00:15:55.980 that you've done wrong.

00:15:57.640 You admit it

00:15:58.560 in good conscience

00:15:59.520 in good faith

00:16:00.340 with genuine repentance

00:16:01.800 therefore you get forgiven

00:16:03.560 and you are absolved

00:16:04.520 of your sins.

00:16:05.180 but it's not

00:16:06.260 one or the other.

00:16:07.700 And so

00:16:08.000 I don't see

00:16:08.920 a contradiction

00:16:09.420 between

00:16:10.120 Erica Kirk's

00:16:11.840 personal forgiveness

00:16:12.700 and the demand

00:16:15.340 of justice

00:16:15.920 that this man

00:16:16.900 hang.

00:16:18.220 Yeah

00:16:18.660 but I'm not

00:16:19.420 like I said

00:16:20.080 I'm not a Christian

00:16:21.000 I don't love my enemies.

00:16:22.120 A different perspective

00:16:24.640 would be

00:16:25.200 you can forgive someone

00:16:26.180 but it doesn't mean

00:16:26.800 you have to forget.

00:16:28.840 Yeah I'm not sure

00:16:29.680 I'd even want to forgive.

00:16:30.400 I'm actually

00:16:30.820 very much more

00:16:31.500 with Donald Trump

00:16:32.260 on this

00:16:32.800 who

00:16:33.960 had a

00:16:35.320 take that

00:16:36.360 very much

00:16:36.780 resonated with me.

00:16:38.680 In that private

00:16:39.720 moment

00:16:40.460 on his

00:16:41.160 dying day

00:16:41.940 we find

00:16:42.540 everything

00:16:43.440 we need to know

00:16:44.460 about who

00:16:45.100 Charlie Kirk

00:16:46.040 truly was.

00:16:47.040 He was

00:16:47.400 a missionary

00:16:48.080 with a noble spirit

00:16:49.560 and a great

00:16:51.020 great purpose

00:16:51.880 he did not

00:16:53.360 hate his opponents

00:16:54.380 he wanted

00:16:55.180 the best for them

00:16:57.680 that's where

00:16:58.080 I disagreed

00:16:58.700 with Charlie

00:16:59.180 I hate

00:17:01.080 my opponent

00:17:01.740 and I don't

00:17:03.620 want the best

00:17:04.260 for them

00:17:04.640 I'm sorry

00:17:05.260 I am sorry

00:17:06.460 Erica.

00:17:08.260 I think

00:17:09.080 we're being

00:17:09.420 confused about

00:17:09.940 two kinds

00:17:10.360 of bests

00:17:10.740 for them.

00:17:11.240 I think

00:17:11.640 I just love

00:17:12.160 Trump

00:17:12.480 when he talks

00:17:13.300 it's just so funny.

00:17:14.720 It sort of shows

00:17:15.980 the guy

00:17:16.760 isn't acting.

00:17:19.080 Trump's not an actor.

00:17:20.220 He is.

00:17:22.440 Sorry

00:17:23.400 that's just the most

00:17:24.100 Trump statement

00:17:25.020 in the world.

00:17:26.340 It's like

00:17:26.480 oh yeah

00:17:26.800 he's a good guy

00:17:27.540 he loved his enemies

00:17:28.260 I don't

00:17:28.780 I hate my enemies

00:17:29.700 quintessentially

00:17:31.280 Trump

00:17:31.560 so I go on

00:17:32.200 just

00:17:34.040 so

00:17:34.620 let me put it

00:17:35.580 to you this way

00:17:36.060 in front of millions

00:17:36.960 of people

00:17:37.500 hundreds of millions

00:17:38.640 of people

00:17:39.060 watching this

00:17:39.820 and Trump's like

00:17:40.780 yeah no

00:17:41.080 I hate my opponents

00:17:41.920 I don't want

00:17:42.520 the best for them

00:17:43.140 fuck those guys

00:17:44.460 sorry

00:17:45.140 come on

00:17:45.700 there are two kinds

00:17:48.600 of I want the best

00:17:49.320 for them

00:17:49.600 I don't want my

00:17:50.580 opponent to have

00:17:51.380 a job

00:17:52.040 where he has

00:17:53.060 power over me

00:17:53.860 obviously

00:17:54.620 or I don't want

00:17:55.800 him to have

00:17:56.620 a position

00:17:58.020 where he can keep

00:17:58.940 on destroying society

00:17:59.980 as the left

00:18:00.980 has been doing

00:18:01.520 yeah

00:18:01.800 but what is

00:18:03.000 genuinely best

00:18:03.800 for him

00:18:04.240 is the salvation

00:18:05.340 of his soul

00:18:06.000 and therefore

00:18:06.900 his repentance

00:18:07.500 and so therefore

00:18:08.740 some punishments

00:18:09.680 in this world

00:18:10.520 that might push

00:18:12.140 him towards

00:18:12.800 regret

00:18:13.440 are actually

00:18:14.860 good for him

00:18:16.440 and in that sense

00:18:17.580 I want the best

00:18:18.240 for him

00:18:18.600 the key point

00:18:20.320 I think I sent you

00:18:21.340 that very long

00:18:22.280 Aquinas quote

00:18:23.640 that it is not

00:18:25.680 being done

00:18:26.340 with a spirit

00:18:27.060 of malice

00:18:28.260 towards the person

00:18:29.600 it is done

00:18:30.820 with God

00:18:31.480 at the center

00:18:32.020 and part of

00:18:33.020 what God is

00:18:33.600 is justice

00:18:34.100 so it is just

00:18:36.520 that people

00:18:37.060 who celebrate

00:18:37.940 killing people

00:18:39.620 for political

00:18:40.300 disagreements

00:18:41.000 when there's

00:18:42.360 absolutely no need

00:18:43.080 for that

00:18:43.480 be faced

00:18:45.380 with enormous

00:18:45.860 punishment

00:18:46.300 in this world

00:18:47.640 because it might

00:18:49.120 help them repent

00:18:49.840 and save them

00:18:50.700 in the next world

00:18:51.600 yeah

00:18:52.040 I just want

00:18:53.160 I just want

00:18:53.580 them strung up

00:18:54.220 I'm going with

00:18:56.180 because you don't

00:18:56.780 think about the next

00:18:57.480 world but that's

00:18:58.000 a different conversation

00:18:58.680 I don't you're right

00:18:58.860 but I'm going with

00:18:59.880 malice in this world

00:19:00.800 anyway so yeah

00:19:02.380 like you got

00:19:03.840 people who are like

00:19:04.760 oh I'm glad

00:19:05.940 he's dead because

00:19:06.660 he's not a martyr

00:19:07.380 this video came out

00:19:09.020 the day that

00:19:09.880 Charlie Kirk was shot

00:19:10.960 the best part

00:19:12.260 of this whole

00:19:12.860 goddamn thing

00:19:13.720 is that he is not

00:19:15.400 martyr material

00:19:16.500 so his death

00:19:17.920 will mean nothing

00:19:19.180 it will activate

00:19:20.780 no one

00:19:21.400 it will impact

00:19:22.720 few

00:19:23.680 it's just great

00:19:27.340 I mean I also

00:19:29.340 just how

00:19:29.840 what terrible take

00:19:31.560 he had the wrongest

00:19:32.720 take ever

00:19:33.280 yeah truly

00:19:34.000 but

00:19:34.880 what an awful

00:19:36.580 individual

00:19:37.160 I mean I keep

00:19:37.860 going back to the

00:19:38.660 sort of celebratory

00:19:39.860 left in this

00:19:40.620 it's truly awful

00:19:42.600 just how

00:19:43.300 desensitized people

00:19:45.040 are to

00:19:45.800 barbarism

00:19:46.740 and you know

00:19:48.580 the brutal

00:19:50.180 mortal nature

00:19:51.660 of life

00:19:52.300 being gone

00:19:53.460 in one second

00:19:54.060 I just can't

00:19:54.640 bring this up

00:19:55.060 these people

00:19:55.280 celebrating someone's

00:19:56.440 death

00:19:56.660 it's truly disgusting

00:19:58.460 he was obviously

00:19:59.540 martyr material

00:20:00.380 yeah

00:20:00.940 he was obviously

00:20:01.780 martyr material

00:20:02.440 and what she's

00:20:02.980 admitting is that

00:20:03.600 she is neither

00:20:04.140 wife material

00:20:04.940 nor mother material

00:20:05.840 that's very true

00:20:06.680 and she can

00:20:07.800 be these things

00:20:08.760 civilization material

00:20:09.740 people like that

00:20:10.420 should not be

00:20:11.340 in a civilization

00:20:11.880 because you must

00:20:12.560 be civil

00:20:13.060 to be in a

00:20:13.780 civilization

00:20:14.080 not Christian

00:20:14.860 civilization

00:20:15.340 if she was

00:20:15.920 Aztec she'd

00:20:16.480 be fine

00:20:16.960 so there is

00:20:20.480 that important

00:20:21.480 detail to sort

00:20:22.520 of bear in mind

00:20:23.320 but what she is

00:20:25.040 showing is obviously

00:20:25.760 her own nature

00:20:26.520 and part of

00:20:27.320 wishing her well

00:20:28.180 is wishing her

00:20:29.800 whatever is

00:20:30.440 necessary for her

00:20:31.320 conversion

00:20:31.720 and if that

00:20:33.220 includes her

00:20:34.180 losing her job

00:20:35.020 her being told

00:20:35.980 you can't be a

00:20:36.620 nurse

00:20:36.800 you can't be a

00:20:37.420 teacher

00:20:37.660 you can't be

00:20:38.580 in any kind

00:20:39.400 of government

00:20:39.820 position

00:20:40.280 you know

00:20:41.780 do manual

00:20:43.300 labor until

00:20:43.940 you change

00:20:44.380 your mind

00:20:44.880 then that is

00:20:46.480 part of wishing

00:20:47.480 her well

00:20:47.920 it's not

00:20:49.700 that I want

00:20:50.840 her soul

00:20:51.420 to burn

00:20:51.920 it's that I

00:20:53.100 want her to be

00:20:53.780 punished enough

00:20:54.400 to change

00:20:55.240 and we'll move

00:20:56.600 from the Christian

00:20:57.500 perspective to

00:20:58.440 Stephen Miller's

00:20:59.600 perspective

00:21:00.040 because he's

00:21:02.380 not so forgiving

00:21:03.080 no

00:21:04.080 again I'm very

00:21:05.300 very much

00:21:05.880 finding myself

00:21:06.680 aligned with

00:21:08.020 these chats

00:21:08.800 this is so

00:21:10.460 good

00:21:10.820 we will prevail

00:21:12.180 over the forces

00:21:13.580 of wickedness

00:21:14.560 and evil

00:21:15.200 they cannot

00:21:16.740 imagine what

00:21:18.380 they have

00:21:18.980 awakened

00:21:19.420 they cannot

00:21:20.460 conceive of

00:21:21.860 the army that

00:21:23.100 they have arisen

00:21:24.000 in all of us

00:21:25.340 because we

00:21:27.680 stand for what

00:21:28.520 is good

00:21:29.140 what is virtuous

00:21:30.260 what is noble

00:21:31.380 and to those

00:21:32.660 trying to incite

00:21:33.580 violence against

00:21:34.480 us

00:21:34.900 those trying to

00:21:36.540 foment hatred

00:21:37.300 against us

00:21:38.080 what do you

00:21:38.980 have

00:21:39.420 you have

00:21:41.080 nothing

00:21:41.660 you are

00:21:42.640 nothing

00:21:43.240 you are

00:21:44.320 wickedness

00:21:45.040 you are

00:21:45.380 jealousy

00:21:45.960 you are

00:21:46.480 envy

00:21:46.960 you are

00:21:47.700 hatred

00:21:48.240 you are

00:21:49.640 nothing

00:21:50.180 you can

00:21:50.880 build

00:21:51.260 nothing

00:21:51.720 you can

00:21:52.440 produce

00:21:53.020 nothing

00:21:53.660 you can

00:21:54.680 create

00:21:55.320 nothing

00:21:56.260 we are the

00:21:57.660 ones who

00:21:58.120 build

00:21:58.500 we are the

00:21:59.420 ones who

00:21:59.860 create

00:22:00.440 we are the

00:22:01.520 ones who

00:22:02.360 lift up

00:22:03.100 humanity

00:22:04.000 you thought

00:22:06.480 you could

00:22:07.040 kill

00:22:07.460 Charlie Kirk

00:22:08.440 you have

00:22:09.520 made him

00:22:10.100 immortal

00:22:10.740 you have

00:22:11.960 immortalized

00:22:12.780 Charlie Kirk

00:22:13.580 and now

00:22:14.460 millions will

00:22:15.320 carry on

00:22:15.820 his legacy

00:22:16.500 true

00:22:21.040 I love it

00:22:22.040 that is

00:22:23.180 you know

00:22:23.860 a clear

00:22:24.540 contrast of

00:22:25.300 good versus

00:22:25.760 evil

00:22:26.080 he names

00:22:27.240 a few of

00:22:27.920 the deadly

00:22:29.120 sins

00:22:29.600 envy

00:22:30.680 wrath

00:22:31.780 sloth

00:22:34.640 and he

00:22:37.720 says that

00:22:38.320 what is

00:22:38.700 good is

00:22:39.080 to use

00:22:39.420 your

00:22:39.580 talents

00:22:39.800 for the

00:22:40.080 good

00:22:40.240 this is

00:22:40.720 this is

00:22:41.460 a very

00:22:42.020 Christian

00:22:43.820 speech

00:22:44.240 from someone

00:22:44.980 who is

00:22:45.200 Jewish

00:22:45.500 so I

00:22:47.180 have zero

00:22:47.900 problem with

00:22:48.560 what he's

00:22:48.940 saying

00:22:49.240 I'm not

00:22:49.580 saying he's

00:22:49.980 not got

00:22:50.420 the virtues

00:22:50.940 but the

00:22:51.700 sentiment

00:22:52.460 it's not

00:22:53.640 terribly

00:22:54.040 Christian

00:22:54.560 yes it

00:22:55.120 is

00:22:55.380 no he's

00:22:56.060 not gonna

00:22:56.380 it is

00:22:57.240 Stephen Miller

00:22:57.840 is not

00:22:58.280 loving his

00:22:58.780 enemies

00:22:59.080 any

00:22:59.700 medieval

00:23:00.520 catholic

00:23:01.140 would have

00:23:01.560 recognized

00:23:02.080 this as a

00:23:02.880 profoundly

00:23:03.380 Christian

00:23:03.800 sentiment

00:23:04.300 yeah but

00:23:05.360 Stephen Miller

00:23:05.980 is not

00:23:06.320 loving his

00:23:06.720 enemies

00:23:06.980 he's crushing

00:23:07.600 his enemies

00:23:08.100 which is part

00:23:08.820 of what you

00:23:09.100 should do

00:23:09.420 he recognized

00:23:10.100 them as

00:23:11.460 irredeemably

00:23:12.220 evil

00:23:12.700 and to be

00:23:14.380 smoten

00:23:15.200 wherever they

00:23:16.000 are found

00:23:16.480 I agree with

00:23:17.880 him I think

00:23:18.400 he's on

00:23:18.720 something here

00:23:19.720 and then you

00:23:23.820 get the

00:23:24.200 coverage right

00:23:24.760 the BBC

00:23:25.260 were obviously

00:23:25.840 like oh

00:23:26.280 right he's

00:23:26.840 far right

00:23:27.420 really in

00:23:28.480 their coverage

00:23:28.960 yeah yeah

00:23:29.360 this this

00:23:29.940 was just

00:23:30.260 like the

00:23:31.360 they were

00:23:31.960 literally like

00:23:32.340 far right

00:23:32.940 you don't

00:23:33.560 know what

00:23:33.920 far right

00:23:34.300 actually

00:23:34.580 Charlie

00:23:37.340 Kirk was

00:23:37.800 the moderate

00:23:38.200 everyone knows

00:23:38.960 Charlie

00:23:39.240 Kirk was the

00:23:39.740 moderate and

00:23:40.140 if you think

00:23:40.580 he was far

00:23:41.020 right then

00:23:41.400 okay you

00:23:41.840 continue to

00:23:42.600 damn his

00:23:43.400 memories

00:23:43.760 yeah exactly

00:23:44.820 you're in for

00:23:45.260 a surprise

00:23:45.740 because I

00:23:46.320 think the

00:23:46.880 American right

00:23:47.700 now is just

00:23:48.140 beyond negotiating

00:23:49.800 with this kind

00:23:50.480 of position

00:23:50.880 of slander

00:23:51.700 I really think

00:23:52.320 they're beyond

00:23:52.680 it and good

00:23:53.840 for them

00:23:54.200 frankly you know

00:23:55.080 I'm with

00:23:56.560 Trump and

00:23:56.940 Miller just

00:23:57.300 know we're

00:23:57.660 gonna crush

00:23:58.120 you now

00:23:58.460 it's gonna

00:23:58.920 absolutely crush

00:24:00.320 you and you

00:24:00.720 get you get

00:24:01.260 what you deserve

00:24:01.860 and then you

00:24:02.660 get like you

00:24:03.100 know delusional

00:24:03.720 nonsense

00:24:04.200 oh Charlie

00:24:04.860 Kirk's lead

00:24:05.460 overdose is

00:24:06.080 irrelevant

00:24:06.460 honestly I

00:24:07.480 don't think so

00:24:08.240 at all man

00:24:08.980 you got if you

00:24:09.640 guys think that

00:24:10.780 Charlie Kirk

00:24:11.400 isn't martyr

00:24:12.380 material if you

00:24:13.140 think this

00:24:13.620 doesn't matter

00:24:14.280 I don't think

00:24:15.360 you're looking

00:24:15.700 very far into

00:24:16.320 the future

00:24:16.800 with your

00:24:17.480 predictions here

00:24:18.240 and then you

00:24:18.800 get truly

00:24:19.860 the most

00:24:21.920 I mean just

00:24:22.760 I can't

00:24:23.640 I can't

00:24:24.080 understand how

00:24:24.520 he's still

00:24:24.820 allowed on the

00:24:25.420 internet with

00:24:25.820 takes like

00:24:26.240 this

00:24:26.600 Destiny said

00:24:28.040 this Charlie

00:24:28.700 Kirk memorial

00:24:29.280 is indistinguishable

00:24:30.420 from a Nazi

00:24:31.020 rally and F

00:24:31.860 anyone who

00:24:32.220 wants to

00:24:32.580 pretend that

00:24:32.980 it's not

00:24:33.360 it's like

00:24:34.180 yeah

00:24:34.340 what

00:24:34.580 yeah yeah

00:24:35.420 yeah yeah

00:24:35.740 John's just

00:24:36.500 like yeah

00:24:36.840 that young

00:24:37.280 man I

00:24:37.740 forgive him

00:24:38.240 Adolf Hitler

00:24:38.660 1939

00:24:39.360 so you

00:24:40.220 he's being

00:24:43.580 deliberately

00:24:44.020 provocative

00:24:44.460 he's just

00:24:44.980 a prat

00:24:45.480 and then you

00:24:47.680 get the

00:24:48.400 protesters

00:24:48.900 because of

00:24:49.440 course there

00:24:49.820 were leftist

00:24:50.260 protesters there

00:24:51.120 turn off the

00:24:53.140 music just

00:24:53.560 but as you

00:24:54.480 can see it's

00:24:55.000 the sort of

00:24:55.420 left-wing

00:24:55.860 Westboro

00:24:56.340 Baptist

00:24:56.740 Church

00:24:57.260 the truth

00:24:58.900 equals love

00:24:59.600 which is why

00:25:00.180 we're here

00:25:00.720 protesting a

00:25:01.800 funeral

00:25:02.220 God hates

00:25:03.140 who does

00:25:03.960 God hate

00:25:04.360 apparently

00:25:04.740 oh I don't

00:25:05.760 know

00:25:06.040 proud sinners

00:25:06.820 proud sinners

00:25:07.840 yes yes

00:25:08.960 at least it's

00:25:09.540 not gays

00:25:10.080 anymore I

00:25:10.500 suppose

00:25:10.740 but yeah

00:25:12.420 so weird

00:25:13.320 thing to protest

00:25:14.140 again

00:25:14.480 really awful

00:25:15.420 I know

00:25:15.720 and then you

00:25:17.120 have the

00:25:17.560 truly online

00:25:18.420 radical left-wing

00:25:19.240 position

00:25:19.860 white supremacy

00:25:20.920 is so crazy

00:25:21.560 because you

00:25:21.880 literally killed

00:25:22.360 your husband

00:25:22.720 you're forgiving

00:25:23.240 him because

00:25:23.680 he's white

00:25:24.240 ah yes

00:25:25.040 that's

00:25:25.520 that's

00:25:26.180 that's the

00:25:26.620 reason

00:25:27.580 100,000 likes

00:25:30.100 on this tweet

00:25:30.600 what is wrong

00:25:31.700 because you

00:25:33.060 think oh you've

00:25:33.580 just pulled out

00:25:34.100 some random

00:25:34.780 thing that's had

00:25:35.640 300 views

00:25:36.360 no no no

00:25:36.920 100,000 likes

00:25:38.180 what

00:25:38.840 this is

00:25:39.420 this is

00:25:39.980 representative

00:25:40.500 of a large

00:25:41.500 slice of

00:25:42.020 leftist thinking

00:25:42.700 that's

00:25:43.240 that's

00:25:43.780 actual delusion

00:25:45.100 isn't it

00:25:45.540 yeah

00:25:45.740 that's

00:25:46.280 yeah

00:25:46.660 I don't know

00:25:47.260 what to say

00:25:47.680 and I think

00:25:48.400 that this

00:25:48.920 this tweet

00:25:49.940 yeah exactly

00:25:50.740 demonic possession

00:25:51.560 right

00:25:51.740 this tweet

00:25:52.420 properly exemplifies

00:25:53.460 why I think

00:25:54.040 the American

00:25:54.380 right is just

00:25:54.760 beyond debating

00:25:55.520 with leftists

00:25:56.060 now

00:25:56.240 yeah

00:25:56.680 you've ended

00:25:58.380 the debate

00:25:58.800 if you're

00:25:59.560 that delusional

00:26:01.200 there's no

00:26:02.260 point in having

00:26:03.300 a conversation

00:26:03.980 with you

00:26:04.400 there just

00:26:05.440 isn't

00:26:05.840 right

00:26:06.020 that's your

00:26:07.160 position

00:26:07.620 just go in

00:26:09.260 the bin

00:26:09.640 we'll step

00:26:10.880 over you

00:26:11.420 you're done

00:26:12.340 that's

00:26:13.120 correct

00:26:13.600 not even

00:26:14.180 worth entertaining

00:26:15.080 correct

00:26:15.520 and there's

00:26:16.080 nothing

00:26:16.260 unchristian

00:26:16.720 about that

00:26:17.200 even if

00:26:19.300 it's unchristian

00:26:19.860 it's realism

00:26:20.500 I'm afraid

00:26:21.100 what can be

00:26:23.440 debated with

00:26:24.180 this

00:26:24.440 nothing

00:26:24.880 exactly

00:26:25.700 nothing

00:26:25.980 these people

00:26:27.620 should not

00:26:28.200 be in any

00:26:28.960 position where

00:26:29.640 they have

00:26:29.960 power over

00:26:30.760 anyone else

00:26:31.380 all what they

00:26:32.480 are allowed

00:26:32.920 to do from

00:26:33.460 now on is

00:26:33.940 probably

00:26:34.220 manual labour

00:26:34.840 not that there's

00:26:35.840 anything wrong

00:26:36.240 with manual

00:26:36.600 labour but

00:26:37.380 there's something

00:26:38.460 wrong with them

00:26:38.960 having responsibility

00:26:39.720 over anybody's

00:26:40.720 life

00:26:40.960 that's the end

00:26:41.960 of it

00:26:42.320 completely agree

00:26:43.640 so yeah in

00:26:44.700 conclusion

00:26:45.120 it was an

00:26:46.300 incredible

00:26:46.780 memorial service

00:26:47.740 incredible

00:26:48.680 turnout

00:26:49.300 incredible

00:26:49.820 feeling of

00:26:50.680 unity

00:26:51.060 from the

00:26:51.560 American

00:26:51.820 right

00:26:52.120 with all

00:26:52.480 of this

00:26:52.860 as an

00:26:54.580 Englishman

00:26:54.860 it was

00:26:55.020 very

00:26:55.220 American

00:26:55.600 so you

00:26:56.120 know

00:26:56.200 I'm not

00:26:56.400 going to

00:26:56.640 judge

00:26:57.400 how

00:26:58.100 Americans

00:26:58.780 do

00:26:59.340 pageantry

00:26:59.940 but they

00:27:00.520 do it

00:27:01.160 fairly well

00:27:01.600 I was honest

00:27:02.000 sorry

00:27:03.300 well done

00:27:03.900 for them

00:27:04.220 yeah no

00:27:04.720 exactly

00:27:05.000 it's their

00:27:05.580 own thing

00:27:06.060 so I'm

00:27:06.360 not going

00:27:06.580 to judge

00:27:06.920 that

00:27:07.200 but it

00:27:08.120 was really

00:27:08.860 heartfelt

00:27:09.300 the whole

00:27:09.760 way through

00:27:10.080 and you

00:27:10.380 could tell

00:27:10.680 that literally

00:27:11.700 millions of

00:27:12.580 people were

00:27:14.020 genuinely

00:27:14.500 changed by

00:27:15.220 all of

00:27:15.500 this

00:27:15.800 and so

00:27:16.380 incredible

00:27:17.600 incredible

00:27:18.180 work everyone

00:27:18.820 and god

00:27:19.960 speed

00:27:20.280 loads of

00:27:23.260 super chats

00:27:23.640 coming so I'm

00:27:24.060 going to get

00:27:24.300 through them as

00:27:24.660 quickly as I

00:27:25.160 can

00:27:25.460 beginning with

00:27:26.240 blood for the

00:27:26.700 blood god

00:27:27.240 on rumble

00:27:27.940 who sent

00:27:28.360 two hundred

00:27:28.700 dollars

00:27:29.080 thanks man

00:27:29.720 and no thank

00:27:31.560 you I don't

00:27:31.960 want palestine

00:27:32.620 and ham

00:27:32.960 well we're

00:27:33.500 going to get

00:27:33.740 to that in a

00:27:34.180 minute

00:27:34.380 full sulla

00:27:37.940 go full sulla

00:27:38.820 trump

00:27:39.140 no friend

00:27:39.720 under rewarded

00:27:40.420 no enemy

00:27:40.940 unscathed

00:27:41.960 bonus to a

00:27:42.660 history on

00:27:43.020 sulla

00:27:43.200 I'm sure

00:27:43.580 we've done

00:27:44.020 sulla

00:27:44.320 actually

00:27:44.840 but yeah

00:27:45.780 like what

00:27:46.540 was the

00:27:47.040 thing in

00:27:47.640 his grave

00:27:48.020 you know

00:27:48.780 no friend

00:27:49.820 ever served

00:27:50.300 me or

00:27:50.580 enemy hurt

00:27:51.100 me who

00:27:51.760 hasn't been

00:27:52.140 repaid in

00:27:52.620 full or

00:27:53.120 something like

00:27:53.500 that which

00:27:54.420 is just so

00:27:55.300 great and I

00:27:55.860 love that

00:27:56.320 trump is much

00:27:57.400 more of a

00:27:57.860 sulla than

00:27:58.400 he is a

00:27:59.920 christian

00:28:00.520 alex jones

00:28:02.460 came out

00:28:02.860 against

00:28:03.300 conspiracy

00:28:03.720 theories on

00:28:04.280 the bullet

00:28:04.560 when he

00:28:04.820 discussed his

00:28:05.400 experience

00:28:05.760 shooting wild

00:28:06.340 hogs

00:28:06.880 yeah and what

00:28:07.460 was weird is

00:28:07.860 like nick

00:28:08.200 fuentes is

00:28:08.740 against like

00:28:09.420 the israel

00:28:10.000 conspiracy

00:28:10.480 theory as

00:28:11.100 well and

00:28:11.840 it's just

00:28:12.080 like what

00:28:12.920 is happening

00:28:13.520 man

00:28:13.880 animal anime

00:28:16.400 streamer says

00:28:17.000 I'm sorry I'm

00:28:17.460 probably the

00:28:17.980 outlier here I

00:28:18.660 think erica

00:28:19.900 kirk and going

00:28:20.620 up and saying

00:28:21.120 that she forgives

00:28:22.020 her husband

00:28:22.340 killer and

00:28:23.020 then the

00:28:23.260 audience clapping

00:28:23.800 to be very

00:28:24.220 weird well

00:28:25.220 yeah I mean I

00:28:25.940 find that weird

00:28:26.540 too but I'm

00:28:27.220 not a christian

00:28:28.060 so you're

00:28:28.880 missing the

00:28:29.980 the rally

00:28:31.280 was a christian

00:28:32.080 revival moment

00:28:32.960 yes that's

00:28:33.980 fine I

00:28:34.520 understand it's

00:28:35.820 it's you know

00:28:36.860 the christians are

00:28:37.420 doing something I

00:28:38.020 personally don't

00:28:38.560 understand that's

00:28:39.080 totally fine and

00:28:40.040 the thing is it's

00:28:40.380 not that it's not

00:28:41.000 noble or sweet

00:28:42.140 it's just it's not

00:28:43.540 how I feel I

00:28:45.040 just literally

00:28:45.920 flog him through

00:28:46.620 the streets until

00:28:47.280 there's no flesh on

00:28:47.940 his back

00:28:48.320 Stephen Miller

00:28:50.260 2028 the thing

00:28:51.900 is Stephen Miller

00:28:52.740 I like Stephen a

00:28:53.960 lot but he's

00:28:55.080 not the leader

00:28:55.860 right he's he's

00:28:57.480 the executor he's

00:28:59.000 the right hand of

00:28:59.880 the king he

00:29:00.260 doesn't have the

00:29:01.140 it doesn't have

00:29:01.900 the sort of

00:29:03.260 charisma the

00:29:04.980 he's got

00:29:05.580 stature yeah

00:29:06.800 exactly leader

00:29:07.400 he doesn't have

00:29:08.380 it doesn't exude

00:29:09.120 it he's got the

00:29:09.680 charisma but not

00:29:10.180 the stature he's

00:29:11.140 he's the right

00:29:11.700 hand of the king

00:29:12.340 who goes out and

00:29:13.080 does the dirty

00:29:13.680 work yeah and I

00:29:15.660 get the propaganda

00:29:16.180 value it gives

00:29:16.700 our side in

00:29:17.360 attracting normies

00:29:17.980 to embrace us but

00:29:18.600 I think making his

00:29:19.220 funeral a rally where

00:29:20.340 people clap and

00:29:20.940 cheer in the middle of

00:29:21.380 the speech is to be

00:29:22.020 kind of tasteless the

00:29:22.960 thing is Charlie

00:29:23.660 Kirk was in favor of

00:29:24.860 doing that Charlie

00:29:25.880 Kirk was in favor of

00:29:27.420 being political on

00:29:28.840 this subject because

00:29:29.700 the reason that he

00:29:30.540 was killed was

00:29:31.080 politics yeah so

00:29:32.220 you can't exactly

00:29:32.860 divorce his murder

00:29:33.760 from politics

00:29:34.560 Reverend Norse says

00:29:36.040 I'm a pagan in the

00:29:37.000 Tom Roswell mold I'm

00:29:38.080 with Carl on this we

00:29:39.220 Norse had an

00:29:39.660 appropriate thing for

00:29:40.300 this called the

00:29:40.720 blogger eagle yes

00:29:41.580 well I'm disturbed

00:29:44.260 both sides believe the

00:29:45.260 other is evil and if

00:29:46.620 conversation is not

00:29:47.320 possible does this

00:29:47.940 mean we're having to

00:29:48.600 war it's in pool

00:29:49.220 prophecy well the

00:29:50.240 thing is if you make

00:29:51.380 conversation impossible

00:29:52.420 possible then you

00:29:52.960 leave only civil war

00:29:54.420 available and this is

00:29:56.700 just the way that they

00:29:57.880 have taken these

00:29:58.460 things and so what

00:29:59.760 more can we do

00:30:00.880 can I get the mouse

00:30:01.660 yes you can let's go

00:30:02.780 so shall we talk a

00:30:04.700 little bit about the

00:30:05.920 recognition of of

00:30:07.400 Palestine Samson can

00:30:09.100 you give us the right

00:30:09.560 screen yes if you

00:30:11.400 haven't bought your

00:30:12.140 copy of Islander

00:30:12.960 please go ahead and

00:30:13.620 do so they are running

00:30:14.680 out one week left

00:30:16.120 and an awesome mug as

00:30:17.700 well oh yeah oh

00:30:18.740 and a Godzilla mug yes

00:30:20.280 look at the mug it's

00:30:21.680 wicked

00:30:22.180 it is gorgeous

00:30:23.120 so Keir Starmer

00:30:25.020 decided that he was

00:30:26.160 going to recognize a

00:30:28.340 Palestinian state he

00:30:30.280 said that he doesn't

00:30:31.040 want to reward Hamas

00:30:32.180 it's a brutal terror

00:30:33.240 organization but a

00:30:35.520 but a call for a

00:30:37.480 two-state solution is

00:30:38.380 the exact opposite of

00:30:39.660 what Hamas wants

00:30:40.500 this is idiotic on the

00:30:43.380 face of it because the

00:30:44.740 Palestinians have

00:30:45.580 always seen the two

00:30:46.700 state solution as a

00:30:47.720 stepping stone to the

00:30:48.700 one-state solution where

00:30:49.660 the Jews are kicked out

00:30:50.500 so let's just be honest

00:30:52.040 about that kind of

00:30:52.740 detail we recognize

00:30:55.500 Israel as a homeland

00:30:56.880 for the Jewish people

00:30:57.860 but don't recognize

00:30:59.260 England as a homeland

00:30:59.900 for the English people

00:31:00.620 today we join 150

00:31:03.780 countries the world's

00:31:05.160 last stateless people

00:31:06.100 the English yeah

00:31:07.100 today we join 150

00:31:09.200 countries who recognize

00:31:10.400 a Palestinian state

00:31:11.480 and a pledge that

00:31:13.240 there can be as a

00:31:14.040 pledge that there can

00:31:14.740 be a better future I

00:31:16.880 know the strength of

00:31:17.880 feeling that this

00:31:18.640 conflict provokes we

00:31:19.660 have seen it on our

00:31:20.520 streets in our schools

00:31:22.020 in conversations we've

00:31:23.620 had with friends and

00:31:24.340 family I'm gonna leave

00:31:25.760 that without a comment

00:31:26.580 but you know my

00:31:27.320 comment is is that what

00:31:28.320 Keir Starmer said

00:31:29.080 that's what Keir Starmer

00:31:30.120 said we wouldn't have

00:31:31.200 it if you didn't import

00:31:31.960 people mate yeah yeah

00:31:34.180 wouldn't be a problem

00:31:35.140 of your own making

00:31:36.040 that seems like a

00:31:36.980 relevant detail that

00:31:38.460 seems like a relevant

00:31:39.140 detail doesn't it

00:31:40.400 uh blah blah blah we

00:31:42.440 must reject hate we

00:31:43.660 must redouble our

00:31:44.600 efforts to combat

00:31:45.420 hatred and all its

00:31:46.240 forms we're gonna

00:31:47.060 reject hate therefore

00:31:48.000 we're gonna give Hamas

00:31:48.840 their own state I

00:31:49.940 I don't understand I

00:31:52.340 don't understand and

00:31:53.620 then he calls for a

00:31:54.520 release of the

00:31:54.900 hostages and an end

00:31:56.000 to violence and an end

00:31:56.840 to suffering mate

00:31:58.000 there's gonna be

00:31:58.460 suffering this time I'm

00:31:59.560 just wishing for nice

00:32:00.460 things now and for

00:32:01.220 good things and not

00:32:01.840 bad things yeah exactly

00:32:02.880 exactly at least he

00:32:03.780 said hostages not

00:32:04.680 sausages yeah no he's

00:32:06.960 not this time yeah we're

00:32:08.060 not gonna discuss the

00:32:09.180 rent boys again uh as

00:32:11.060 just sort of explaining

00:32:12.300 the reasoning for why

00:32:14.400 this happened uh one

00:32:16.460 explanation is that

00:32:17.820 there are um pamphlets

00:32:20.720 being distributed in

00:32:22.980 roshdale by the

00:32:24.560 roshdale friends of

00:32:25.400 palestine which is I'm

00:32:26.920 sure a group you'd all

00:32:28.040 love to see more of

00:32:29.260 saying that if you lose

00:32:31.040 if you vote labor you

00:32:32.280 lose your faith look at

00:32:34.560 that image at the bottom

00:32:35.740 that's subtle the

00:32:37.620 roshdale friends that's

00:32:40.040 subtle roshdale friends

00:32:42.340 of palestine are

00:32:43.500 definitely no relation

00:32:44.400 to the grooming gangs

00:32:45.840 none whatsoever I'm

00:32:47.240 sure just the thing if

00:32:48.460 if any right winger

00:32:49.480 printed a leaflet like

00:32:51.080 this and distributed it

00:32:52.120 this would be hate

00:32:52.880 speech and you'd go to

00:32:53.680 jail yeah 100% you'd be

00:32:55.360 away for a long time

00:32:56.400 there is no way you'd

00:32:57.480 get away with this so

00:32:58.600 this is the kind of

00:32:59.220 stuff that's being handed

00:33:00.260 over and one

00:33:00.900 explanation is that this

00:33:02.040 is what's driving

00:33:02.980 starmer's recognition

00:33:04.420 that's not true

00:33:06.240 unfortunately because

00:33:08.860 while this is part of

00:33:10.420 it there is a bigger

00:33:11.960 context where the brits

00:33:13.920 are working with the

00:33:15.220 australians and the

00:33:16.320 canadians and the

00:33:17.360 french and two two of

00:33:21.240 britain's most important

00:33:22.320 geopolitical allies in

00:33:23.500 real terms if we were to

00:33:24.700 ignore the american

00:33:25.320 empire portugal and

00:33:27.420 malta are in on it and

00:33:29.440 are also recognizing

00:33:30.780 palestine at the same

00:33:31.900 time yeah why is this

00:33:32.860 all happening at the

00:33:33.640 same time so this seems

00:33:34.840 to be a widely

00:33:35.880 coordinated thing and i

00:33:38.020 don't fully understand the

00:33:40.360 reasoning behind it except

00:33:42.440 and this is just the

00:33:44.260 sort of possible

00:33:45.060 conspiracy theory they're

00:33:46.740 trying to accelerate

00:33:47.940 things faster because the

00:33:50.820 consequences are going to

00:33:52.420 be not particularly good

00:33:55.120 so the israelis want to

00:33:58.800 shut down some french

00:33:59.780 consulates but one of the

00:34:01.840 complaints that they had

00:34:03.440 was firstly the foreign

00:34:05.840 secretary is saying that

00:34:06.880 the israelis must not

00:34:08.560 retaliate what the israelis

00:34:10.700 are saying and you can

00:34:11.600 find it somewhere in this

00:34:12.640 link is that british jews

00:34:15.140 will never forget forgive

00:34:16.680 labor for recognizing

00:34:18.020 palestine and so there's

00:34:20.420 they don't vote for labor

00:34:21.220 anyway yeah but anyway

00:34:23.260 they vote conservative

00:34:24.260 they do and there's about

00:34:25.700 250 000 of them they do

00:34:27.820 so it's not exactly a vast

00:34:28.880 voting bloc but they're

00:34:30.020 what are you threatening

00:34:30.500 people a little bit more to

00:34:31.680 it all right i i'm i'm sure

00:34:33.300 um so these are the

00:34:35.140 countries that now recognize

00:34:36.540 palestine and in reality

00:34:38.140 they it's made absolutely

00:34:39.540 no difference oh yeah

00:34:40.720 because as far as the you

00:34:43.980 know israelis are concerned

00:34:45.720 this is just a reward for

00:34:46.860 hamas yeah hamas already

00:34:48.380 claimed it a victory they

00:34:49.740 actually came out and was

00:34:50.880 like whoo thanks very much

00:34:52.620 they said for us that it was

00:34:54.220 a victory and it is a

00:34:55.500 victory for them it is it

00:34:56.980 objective there is no doubt

00:34:59.060 that it's a victory for

00:35:00.140 hamas and that in a way

00:35:03.120 they've succeeded in one of

00:35:04.460 the things they're trying to

00:35:05.280 achieve which i'll get to

00:35:06.500 later uh trump's saying

00:35:09.140 that he doesn't agree with

00:35:10.080 starmer rather obviously and

00:35:11.660 i'd say rather you know for

00:35:13.920 with with some reason

00:35:15.220 trump's like i was going to

00:35:16.380 turn that into a holiday

00:35:17.260 resort

00:35:17.700 yeah yeah uh

00:35:20.440 gaza yeah yeah trump gaza

00:35:22.440 yeah but this is what the

00:35:24.080 palestinians in the uk are

00:35:26.160 saying and essentially that

00:35:28.340 they're saying that this is

00:35:29.640 just a correction of the

00:35:30.780 balfour declaration so what

00:35:32.940 they're saying is that it was

00:35:34.120 britain's fault all along

00:35:35.500 yeah and now britain is

00:35:38.120 recognizing um a historic

00:35:40.740 error that it committed

00:35:41.860 what about the balfour

00:35:43.140 declaration the subtext of

00:35:45.440 that carl which i think is

00:35:47.680 slightly more important is

00:35:49.020 that they don't see a

00:35:51.940 palestinian state on the sort

00:35:53.680 of 67 borders which was what

00:35:55.860 people are talking about as

00:35:57.340 being final the objective is

00:35:59.920 to overturn the balfour

00:36:01.000 declaration uh regardless of

00:36:03.440 how you feel about it

00:36:04.320 regardless of how you feel

00:36:05.340 about it i i don't part have

00:36:07.940 positive feelings about the

00:36:09.160 balfour declaration but they

00:36:11.360 were planning several years

00:36:13.140 ago the balfour declaration the

00:36:15.360 british promise to establish a

00:36:17.040 national homeland for the jewish

00:36:18.560 people in palestine but they've

00:36:20.860 been promising for several years

00:36:22.200 now to sue britain for this and

00:36:25.120 now that the brits recognize them as

00:36:27.520 a state it makes it a little bit

00:36:29.320 easier for the palestinians to sue

00:36:31.500 britain because now it's a state

00:36:34.040 acting against another state so the

00:36:36.500 backfiring potential of this move is

00:36:39.160 quite significant here

00:36:40.000 well good luck palestine we've got any

00:36:42.240 bloody money

00:36:42.800 well you know uh i'm not going to go

00:36:46.380 into this but there were some legal

00:36:47.820 experts who were saying that the

00:36:51.700 british can be loo can be sued for

00:36:53.960 two trillion pounds

00:36:55.060 well done

00:36:57.440 no do a hundred trillion mate

00:36:58.740 five hundred gazillion

00:37:00.620 whatever

00:37:01.400 exactly

00:37:01.820 you know exactly

00:37:02.500 we haven't got any fucking money

00:37:03.700 what was that from uh from what's

00:37:06.540 his name

00:37:06.740 yeah yeah it's literally like from

00:37:08.900 it's it's it's

00:37:09.980 austin powers

00:37:10.360 austin powers exactly exactly

00:37:12.620 where are we gonna get that

00:37:14.120 maybe we can deduct it from all the

00:37:15.600 aid we sent them as well

00:37:16.580 yeah well

00:37:17.120 well that's the thing the

00:37:18.940 palestinian authority i'll get to

00:37:21.500 that in a second

00:37:22.220 um but let's look first at the

00:37:26.100 israeli reaction

00:37:26.940 oh yeah i bet netanyahu was

00:37:28.140 thrilled

00:37:28.480 yeah i'm i'm gonna read out some

00:37:30.520 of the things that he's said

00:37:31.520 about this

00:37:32.120 uh because this is in hebrew

00:37:34.280 uh the leaders who recognize a

00:37:37.440 palestinian state have given a

00:37:40.120 huge reward to terrorism after the

00:37:42.500 7 october attack

00:37:43.520 um which is not inaccurate

00:37:47.020 i can't help but notice that the

00:37:49.760 formation of the state of israel was

00:37:51.400 preceded by jewish terrorism against

00:37:53.000 britain though

00:37:53.400 yes

00:37:53.620 so we kind of already do reward

00:37:55.640 terrorism

00:37:56.100 well the the reality that nobody

00:37:58.580 wants to talk about is that

00:37:59.420 terrorism works

00:38:00.300 yeah

00:38:00.680 i mean all media now censor

00:38:02.840 themselves over over islam

00:38:04.940 yeah

00:38:05.480 uh because of the uh charlie hebdo

00:38:08.220 massacre

00:38:08.580 so he commits that there is never

00:38:11.800 going to be a palestinian state on

00:38:13.460 the west bank of the jordan

00:38:15.000 this is an important detail

00:38:16.880 yeah

00:38:17.260 because it means that he will try

00:38:19.140 to establish one on the other

00:38:20.640 side where there's already a country

00:38:22.180 called jordan yeah um and for years

00:38:26.380 i've presented this terrorist state

00:38:28.240 facing enormous pressure from home

00:38:30.500 and abroad

00:38:30.920 so he kind of confirms that even

00:38:33.120 though israel has signed the um the

00:38:36.580 oslo accords which commit to an end

00:38:38.720 state of a two-state solution

00:38:40.060 he as the longest serving israeli prime

00:38:42.940 minister has never respected that

00:38:44.360 international commitment

00:38:45.260 no kidding

00:38:46.060 uh no kidding exactly

00:38:47.320 and the palestinians are pretty much

00:38:49.840 like everybody sees this as a

00:38:51.360 halfway point

00:38:52.080 we get a state you get a state and

00:38:54.340 then we go after each other again

00:38:55.780 and decide

00:38:56.360 who's really in charge

00:38:57.980 uh and who has to um

00:39:00.340 well i guess i guess

00:39:01.220 i guess

00:39:01.840 if palestine then becomes a state and

00:39:03.800 then they

00:39:04.120 they begin attacking israel

00:39:05.780 then they're committing an illegal war

00:39:08.260 then

00:39:08.700 then the un and get involved

00:39:10.040 well there you go

00:39:10.900 oh no

00:39:11.480 there you go problem solved

00:39:12.560 the last time the un got heavily

00:39:16.700 involved the israelis killed the

00:39:18.900 head of the un mission

00:39:19.980 no kidding

00:39:20.480 responsible

00:39:20.920 for

00:39:22.080 didn't they just kill the diplomats

00:39:24.380 the other day who were trying to

00:39:25.420 negotiate this stuff

00:39:26.420 they tried to kill the hamas

00:39:28.040 political delegation

00:39:30.120 that were trying to negotiate an

00:39:31.700 end to the war

00:39:32.280 so the israeli interest in ending

00:39:33.940 the war is pretty much

00:39:34.700 non-existent

00:39:35.220 yeah i don't really take them

00:39:36.660 very seriously when they're like

00:39:37.720 yes we'd like an end to the war

00:39:38.900 yeah no their end is like

00:39:40.360 their end is

00:39:41.540 leveled

00:39:42.220 exactly

00:39:42.640 and so the next result of this

00:39:45.700 is going to be that

00:39:46.900 rather than recognize a

00:39:48.120 palestinian state

00:39:49.040 which is why i'm saying

00:39:49.840 it's acceleration

00:39:50.560 uh the israelis would

00:39:52.360 try to annex

00:39:53.900 the west bank

00:39:55.080 in full

00:39:55.720 and

00:39:57.860 my guess is

00:39:59.400 people are asking

00:40:00.060 well doesn't that mean

00:40:01.100 that they have to let the

00:40:01.860 palestinians vote

00:40:02.680 no

00:40:03.120 they will

00:40:04.200 expel

00:40:04.520 they will do two things

00:40:06.420 they are already doing

00:40:08.360 one of them

00:40:08.940 which is

00:40:09.460 slowly making the west bank

00:40:11.520 uninhabitable

00:40:12.240 not at the scale

00:40:13.400 that they're doing in gaza

00:40:14.340 but slowly locking it down

00:40:16.680 isolating the different

00:40:17.760 population centers

00:40:19.020 and developing the ability

00:40:21.180 to destroy them one by one

00:40:22.320 and the second thing is that

00:40:24.500 they'll require some kind of

00:40:26.020 pledge of allegiance to israel

00:40:27.420 as a jewish state

00:40:28.160 if you do that

00:40:29.640 maybe you'll get the right

00:40:30.440 to vote

00:40:30.860 palestinians won't do it

00:40:32.260 therefore they must be expelled

00:40:33.420 yeah

00:40:33.800 so there will be this kind of

00:40:36.520 um

00:40:36.960 escalation

00:40:38.480 of violence

00:40:39.720 by israel

00:40:41.320 to make sure

00:40:42.260 that the two-state solution

00:40:43.700 becomes completely impossible

00:40:45.800 and

00:40:47.060 this isn't just me

00:40:48.100 imagining things

00:40:49.080 um

00:40:49.840 the

00:40:51.000 uh

00:40:51.600 hold on

00:40:53.100 the

00:40:53.780 israelis are expecting

00:40:55.800 big escalation in the west bank

00:40:57.940 as a result

00:40:58.840 and they are saying

00:41:00.600 that what we're trying to do

00:41:02.280 is to erase the idea

00:41:04.320 of a palestinian state

00:41:05.460 and this was from the 20th of august

00:41:07.640 this isn't even long ago

00:41:08.880 yeah exactly

00:41:09.520 and this is uh

00:41:11.980 bezalel smotrich

00:41:13.040 the israeli finance minister

00:41:14.500 who

00:41:15.480 is therefore

00:41:16.580 one of the most important people

00:41:17.800 in the israeli cabinet

00:41:18.740 explaining how settlements

00:41:21.120 are going to be expanded

00:41:22.440 to completely cut off

00:41:25.080 jerusalem

00:41:25.940 uh

00:41:27.060 from the um

00:41:29.100 from the west bank

00:41:30.680 so

00:41:31.540 they're working on basically

00:41:33.380 covering this area

00:41:35.600 of east jerusalem

00:41:36.960 with israeli settlements

00:41:38.740 they're working on

00:41:40.900 filling this area

00:41:42.580 the jordan valley

00:41:43.360 with israeli settlements

00:41:44.440 so that the palestinian population

00:41:46.800 is sort of trapped

00:41:47.720 and then slowly

00:41:49.640 they'll have no choice

00:41:50.740 but to go

00:41:51.760 to jordan

00:41:52.660 um

00:41:54.760 which

00:41:55.460 would obviously

00:41:56.620 detonate jordan

00:41:57.600 and the jordan

00:41:58.680 obviously don't want to take them

00:41:59.680 because they've tried this before

00:42:00.860 and the palestinians

00:42:01.720 didn't exactly behave themselves

00:42:03.120 no

00:42:03.620 well

00:42:04.040 right now

00:42:05.320 70% of

00:42:06.120 60% of jordan's population

00:42:07.560 is palestinian

00:42:08.280 yeah i know yeah

00:42:08.820 so if that number

00:42:09.860 were to increase further

00:42:10.900 that's it

00:42:11.880 there's no jordan

00:42:13.020 it's just a palestinian state

00:42:14.220 and you can see here

00:42:15.940 in black

00:42:16.660 this is the israeli

00:42:17.540 separation barrier

00:42:18.440 which is the bits

00:42:20.160 of the west bank

00:42:20.880 that they've chewed off

00:42:21.780 which are supposed to be

00:42:23.320 in theory

00:42:23.980 part of a palestinian state

00:42:25.500 so you can see

00:42:26.580 that it's not going to happen

00:42:27.580 yeah

00:42:28.040 and when these powers

00:42:30.360 are recognizing

00:42:31.160 a palestinian state

00:42:32.200 they're not saying

00:42:33.220 what the capital is

00:42:34.200 yeah i was going to ask

00:42:35.700 about that

00:42:36.100 where's the palestinian capital

00:42:37.480 well administratively

00:42:39.000 it's in ramallah

00:42:39.660 here

00:42:40.100 right

00:42:40.500 a pile of rubble

00:42:41.320 over there

00:42:41.860 actually ramallah is okay

00:42:45.480 but they're slowly

00:42:46.100 turning it to

00:42:46.840 or they will be

00:42:48.460 turning it to rubble

00:42:49.240 but they want it to be

00:42:50.980 jerusalem

00:42:51.560 yeah

00:42:52.160 which is never going

00:42:53.040 to happen

00:42:53.520 unless the israelis

00:42:56.020 are catastrophically

00:42:56.820 defeated in

00:42:57.500 some kind of regional war

00:42:58.740 that's just not going

00:42:59.420 to happen

00:42:59.860 and they've bitten off

00:43:02.240 this part here as well

00:43:03.940 to connect

00:43:04.660 the jordan valley

00:43:05.880 with jerusalem

00:43:07.300 and to separate

00:43:08.800 the north of the west bank

00:43:10.520 from the south of the west bank

00:43:11.660 and the idea is

00:43:13.620 to make sure

00:43:14.220 that there is no

00:43:15.280 possible

00:43:16.020 salami slice

00:43:17.200 the west bank

00:43:18.080 out of existence

00:43:18.860 exactly

00:43:19.320 that's exactly

00:43:20.460 what they're doing

00:43:21.040 and it's not going

00:43:22.320 to happen

00:43:22.760 like the idea

00:43:23.400 that this is going

00:43:24.020 to result in peace

00:43:25.820 according to what

00:43:26.700 kirsten said

00:43:27.460 there's no way

00:43:27.980 this is going to cause

00:43:28.640 it's going to accelerate

00:43:30.460 the conflict

00:43:31.040 and what it will mean

00:43:33.320 is that the israelis

00:43:34.400 will increasingly

00:43:35.280 be confident

00:43:36.120 in having no choice

00:43:37.900 other than

00:43:38.740 shooting them

00:43:39.480 forcing

00:43:40.040 jordan and egypt

00:43:42.320 to open their border

00:43:43.740 and take the palestinians

00:43:46.080 from the west bank

00:43:46.740 and gaza

00:43:47.160 this is the main effect

00:43:48.900 of this declaration

00:43:49.640 it's an escalatory

00:43:50.860 accelerationist declaration

00:43:52.460 it doesn't really

00:43:53.700 serve any purpose

00:43:54.680 related to

00:43:56.800 the declared purpose

00:43:58.100 shall we put it

00:43:59.080 this way

00:43:59.460 and there's some

00:44:01.660 interesting questions

00:44:02.460 here posed by

00:44:03.720 elad

00:44:04.960 who's obviously

00:44:05.700 quite hostile

00:44:07.220 to the idea

00:44:07.860 of a palestinian state

00:44:09.060 what's the territory

00:44:10.640 no one knows

00:44:11.500 is gaza included

00:44:12.820 hamas will rule

00:44:14.120 gaza indefinitely

00:44:15.000 who'll be governing

00:44:16.400 the palestinian authority

00:44:17.620 as we know it

00:44:18.440 is in the process

00:44:19.000 of collapsing

00:44:19.580 and the israelis

00:44:21.200 are doing everything

00:44:22.040 that they can

00:44:22.780 to bankrupt

00:44:23.460 the palestinian authority

00:44:24.660 which rules over

00:44:25.820 the west bank

00:44:26.480 and make sure

00:44:27.680 that it collapses

00:44:28.420 will they continue

00:44:32.080 paying terrorists

00:44:32.860 on their families

00:44:33.580 yes

00:44:34.700 because from

00:44:35.900 the palestinian

00:44:36.480 perspective

00:44:36.940 the people

00:44:38.020 described by

00:44:38.800 the israelis

00:44:39.320 are terrorists

00:44:39.860 as terrorists

00:44:40.680 including people

00:44:41.900 who kill civilians

00:44:42.780 are seen as soldiers

00:44:44.460 in the same way

00:44:46.660 that you know

00:44:47.380 the idf

00:44:48.140 is bombing

00:44:48.740 civilian areas

00:44:49.640 in gaza

00:44:50.220 quite intensely

00:44:50.940 and these people

00:44:52.180 are soldiers

00:44:52.680 so there is no

00:44:54.180 distinction here

00:44:56.120 between the two

00:44:57.220 would you continue

00:44:58.440 with anti-semitism

00:44:59.440 in your education system

00:45:00.540 well the quran

00:45:01.580 is anti-semitic

00:45:02.560 i can't believe

00:45:03.200 they're gonna stop now

00:45:04.280 exactly

00:45:05.180 i mean the quran

00:45:06.580 is anti-jewish

00:45:07.440 and anti-christian

00:45:08.380 so obviously

00:45:09.420 they're going to

00:45:09.940 continue to teach

00:45:10.480 the quran

00:45:11.000 and so obviously

00:45:12.140 that will continue

00:45:12.840 to be what it is

00:45:14.480 would jews be

00:45:15.920 welcome to live

00:45:16.580 in palestine

00:45:17.300 like arabs do

00:45:18.000 in israel

00:45:18.480 the arabs are not

00:45:20.640 particularly welcome

00:45:21.480 in israel

00:45:21.960 i mean people

00:45:23.040 are talking

00:45:23.540 israeli officials

00:45:24.540 are talking about

00:45:25.480 kicking out the arabs

00:45:26.740 who do live in israel

00:45:27.600 firstly

00:45:28.060 and secondly

00:45:29.200 absolutely not

00:45:30.360 i mean the jews

00:45:31.340 were accepted

00:45:32.020 in iraq

00:45:33.020 and in alexandria

00:45:33.960 and in cairo

00:45:34.820 and in beirut

00:45:35.560 and in damascus

00:45:36.340 and in algeria

00:45:38.260 but this all ended

00:45:39.000 with the establishment

00:45:39.680 of the state of israel

00:45:40.560 and it's going to be

00:45:42.300 you know

00:45:42.780 200 years

00:45:44.360 after there is no israel

00:45:45.660 before we see

00:45:47.100 jews accepted again

00:45:48.180 living in the muslim world

00:45:49.460 that's just not gonna happen

00:45:50.340 and now you can have a state

00:45:54.100 the right of return

00:45:54.820 is still a thing

00:45:55.480 yes they will continue

00:45:56.700 to demand

00:45:57.320 to take over

00:45:58.160 territory that's recognized

00:45:59.460 by israel

00:46:00.160 could the unrui refugees

00:46:02.420 finally be settled

00:46:03.320 in palestine

00:46:04.060 they will not accept that

00:46:05.580 but

00:46:06.380 on a personal note

00:46:08.480 i'd be very grateful

00:46:09.300 if somebody could take

00:46:10.020 the palestinians

00:46:10.580 who were in lebanon

00:46:11.220 but that's a different story

00:46:12.680 and here please

00:46:13.780 well kirk starmer said

00:46:15.840 that part of the deal

00:46:17.480 is to bring in

00:46:18.340 more palestinians

00:46:19.460 to get treatment

00:46:20.060 and

00:46:21.720 they will come

00:46:23.020 with families

00:46:23.680 and the families

00:46:25.220 will have a right

00:46:26.400 to a family life

00:46:27.440 and they'll have

00:46:28.460 more families

00:46:29.580 they'll have nowhere

00:46:30.140 to go either though

00:46:31.200 like

00:46:31.600 they'll say they can't

00:46:33.360 eject them

00:46:33.780 because look what

00:46:34.220 israel's doing in palestinians

00:46:35.340 exactly

00:46:35.680 so they're here forever

00:46:36.940 bestering parasites

00:46:38.140 on my land

00:46:38.780 brilliant

00:46:39.060 yes

00:46:39.920 with military training

00:46:41.200 and a huge grudge

00:46:42.860 and i want to end

00:46:44.940 with the words

00:46:45.580 of the american envoy

00:46:47.580 i'm so tired

00:46:48.940 oh yeah no

00:46:50.480 these people that

00:46:51.380 blame us

00:46:52.760 for part of the war

00:46:54.260 bringing them here

00:46:55.060 that's definitely

00:46:55.600 not going to result

00:46:56.440 in any issue

00:46:57.420 no no

00:46:58.300 this is why

00:46:59.180 this is why i'm not

00:47:00.100 sympathetic to israel

00:47:00.940 it's like look man

00:47:01.800 you know like

00:47:02.900 you're being very aggressive

00:47:04.280 in this thing

00:47:05.060 and i'm not even judging

00:47:05.840 you on that

00:47:06.340 but now this is a consequence

00:47:07.500 we have to bear

00:47:08.200 if we had a right wing leader

00:47:09.980 that was authoritarian

00:47:11.020 put his foot down

00:47:12.160 and was like no

00:47:12.620 we're not doing this

00:47:13.440 then like i couldn't care less

00:47:15.500 about any of it

00:47:16.240 i wouldn't care

00:47:16.900 because it wouldn't affect me

00:47:17.880 but now it affects me

00:47:19.340 yeah

00:47:19.920 like yeah there's a problem here

00:47:21.640 like i'm not i'm not okay

00:47:23.020 with more parasites

00:47:24.620 coming to my country

00:47:25.580 i don't know

00:47:26.280 not just parasites

00:47:26.980 absolute lunatics

00:47:28.320 oh yeah no

00:47:29.020 the worst kind of parasites

00:47:29.880 yeah yeah

00:47:30.920 these people will do

00:47:32.200 atrocious things

00:47:33.340 got 300 something palestinians

00:47:35.880 god knows when

00:47:37.060 in the 1990s

00:47:38.480 300 palestinians

00:47:39.500 not 300 000

00:47:40.040 300 something palestinians

00:47:41.480 in the 1990s

00:47:43.020 and 60 to 70 percent

00:47:45.060 ended up convicted of crimes

00:47:46.260 and then pretty much

00:47:49.240 most of their descendants as well

00:47:50.480 thanks israel

00:47:51.440 so the idea that this is a community

00:47:53.060 that is going to integrate anywhere

00:47:54.580 is laughable

00:47:55.960 they will come here

00:47:56.940 with a combination of

00:47:58.180 self-righteousness

00:47:59.980 and vengeance

00:48:01.840 will be even worse

00:48:03.080 than that is going to be

00:48:04.120 be even worse in the uk

00:48:05.380 it'll be the worst

00:48:06.540 our large judicial system

00:48:07.780 is weaponized in their favor

00:48:08.920 so it'll actually be even worse

00:48:11.280 but also what historic resentment

00:48:12.880 can palestinians possibly have

00:48:14.280 against the danes

00:48:15.320 like what have the danes

00:48:16.620 ever done to palestine

00:48:17.400 you know

00:48:17.700 no we're the balfour

00:48:18.800 they're one of the biggest providers

00:48:20.060 of aid

00:48:20.720 to palestinian refugee camps

00:48:22.320 them and the norwegians

00:48:23.420 and still

00:48:24.720 and still

00:48:25.580 you get this kind of malice

00:48:27.240 so uh

00:48:28.680 i want to close with what

00:48:29.920 the u.s special envoy

00:48:31.580 to syria

00:48:32.140 said about the region

00:48:33.100 which i think is

00:48:34.940 illustrative

00:48:35.760 what's the end game

00:48:36.880 i was hoping you weren't

00:48:39.900 going to ask that

00:48:40.560 because i don't know

00:48:41.480 i don't think anybody knows

00:48:43.620 look

00:48:43.840 the end game when we say

00:48:45.280 peace

00:48:45.880 it's an illusion

00:48:46.820 there's never been peace

00:48:49.120 there will probably

00:48:50.740 never be peace

00:48:51.680 because everybody's fighting

00:48:53.660 for legitimacy

00:48:54.440 so people say

00:48:56.420 well they're fighting

00:48:56.840 over borders and boundaries

00:48:57.980 it's not what they're fighting over

00:48:59.320 a border or boundary

00:49:00.680 is the currency of a negotiation

00:49:02.400 the end result

00:49:04.520 is somebody wants dominance

00:49:06.260 which means somebody

00:49:08.140 has to submit

00:49:08.840 in that part of the world

00:49:10.820 submit

00:49:11.360 there's no arabic word

00:49:13.160 for submit

00:49:13.760 they can't wrap their head

00:49:15.660 around submit

00:49:16.420 there are many words

00:49:17.960 for submit

00:49:18.240 so eventually

00:49:19.360 prosperity is the only answer

00:49:21.100 this is where the americans

00:49:23.220 turn idiotic

00:49:24.000 i i love

00:49:24.760 i love this stupid

00:49:26.620 liberal

00:49:27.280 get out of the end

00:49:28.760 if only everyone was

00:49:29.920 a little bit richer

00:49:30.800 then everything would

00:49:32.400 no no no

00:49:32.900 this is not about materialism

00:49:34.360 this is about the genuine

00:49:35.620 sort of spirit

00:49:36.720 of the two factions

00:49:38.680 that are warring

00:49:39.380 the the

00:49:40.360 osama bin laden

00:49:41.980 was worth

00:49:43.060 hundreds of millions

00:49:43.820 his deputy

00:49:45.680 was a doctor

00:49:47.380 a full-on md

00:49:48.860 isis

00:49:49.500 another one

00:49:50.120 of middle-class

00:49:51.160 professionals

00:49:52.040 upper middle-class

00:49:53.000 professionals

00:49:53.400 and they were

00:49:54.680 ridiculously skilled

00:49:55.840 yes

00:49:56.240 so the idea

00:49:57.240 that prosperity

00:49:57.980 is in any way

00:49:58.900 a solution to this

00:49:59.720 it's the this is the liberal

00:50:01.540 delusion

00:50:02.040 he was completely right

00:50:03.780 up until he said that

00:50:05.380 yeah

00:50:05.600 up until he said that

00:50:07.600 this but and this has

00:50:08.580 always been the problem

00:50:09.280 with the west

00:50:09.780 meddling in the middle east

00:50:11.380 as well

00:50:11.740 so we we are materialists

00:50:13.420 and therefore we assume

00:50:14.140 everyone fundamentally

00:50:15.000 is materialist

00:50:15.920 exactly

00:50:16.300 and these guys are like

00:50:17.260 yeah i'm gonna blow

00:50:17.900 myself up for a lot

00:50:18.900 it's like okay

00:50:19.760 i'm not sure that's

00:50:20.480 material conditions

00:50:21.260 let's cause that

00:50:21.960 you know

00:50:22.720 it's a bit more money

00:50:23.880 we're stopping from doing that

00:50:24.860 exactly

00:50:25.300 this literal doctor

00:50:26.500 or engineer

00:50:27.140 is going on a jihad

00:50:28.600 it's like he's not

00:50:30.080 lacking anything

00:50:30.800 exactly

00:50:31.660 exactly

00:50:32.580 uh shall we go through

00:50:34.540 a couple of comments

00:50:35.080 yeah yeah yeah

00:50:35.760 god i'm so tired

00:50:37.260 of the middle east man

00:50:38.100 imagine how i feel

00:50:40.040 yeah i can't

00:50:41.020 it literally made me catholic

00:50:42.820 yeah

00:50:43.200 that's how bad it is

00:50:44.680 that's how tired i got

00:50:45.680 yeah

00:50:46.100 um

00:50:46.900 i don't feel bad

00:50:47.980 about the palestinians

00:50:48.820 moderate jews

00:50:49.460 tried to make deals

00:50:50.000 for over 100 years

00:50:50.780 the saudis do have

00:50:51.520 the technology

00:50:51.980 for making them

00:50:52.460 an island

00:50:52.740 in the south pacific

00:50:53.580 uh well i mean

00:50:55.020 but it's true

00:50:56.400 but okay

00:50:56.860 but even if it was true

00:50:58.200 it doesn't matter

00:50:58.880 because now it's about

00:51:00.080 the indignity of

00:51:02.240 accepting the loss

00:51:03.380 yes

00:51:03.740 that's what this is about

00:51:04.800 it's about recognition

00:51:05.580 exactly

00:51:06.500 weirdly francis fukiyama

00:51:08.100 is has got a good line

00:51:09.600 on all of this

00:51:10.340 yep

00:51:10.600 uh which is about

00:51:11.880 the the struggle

00:51:12.600 of recognition

00:51:13.240 is what really is

00:51:14.040 the sort of

00:51:14.680 idealistic motor of history

00:51:16.160 from hegel

00:51:17.160 and he's right i think

00:51:18.280 i genuinely

00:51:18.720 and i think this is what

00:51:19.900 we see in

00:51:20.420 israel palestine

00:51:21.620 very true

00:51:22.120 um no matter how much

00:51:23.460 he wants the muslim vote

00:51:24.320 alone that alone

00:51:25.180 isn't enough in numbers

00:51:26.080 they're totally done

00:51:27.080 for the next general election

00:51:28.040 so why

00:51:28.920 pro-israel lobby

00:51:29.920 donated half to his cabinet

00:51:31.140 the first one

00:51:31.640 so why

00:51:32.160 why is kia islamin doing this

00:51:33.860 uh it seems like

00:51:36.400 a coordinated

00:51:37.120 wider move

00:51:38.000 across the west

00:51:39.300 and there is no

00:51:40.660 um

00:51:41.800 good faith

00:51:43.060 explanation for it

00:51:44.300 because they know

00:51:45.620 that the israelis

00:51:46.360 will never accept

00:51:47.380 the two-state solution

00:51:48.220 they know that

00:51:49.020 the israeli opposition

00:51:49.960 to netanyahu

00:51:50.720 doesn't want one

00:51:51.520 uh the only people

00:51:53.540 like the people

00:51:54.460 who vote for

00:51:55.100 something that would

00:51:55.960 lead to a two-state solution

00:51:57.020 are maybe five percent

00:51:57.880 of the israelis

00:51:58.420 two percent of the israelis

00:51:59.420 something completely

00:52:00.380 ridiculous like that

00:52:01.240 so they they're making

00:52:02.780 this decision

00:52:03.380 knowing full well

00:52:04.880 that it goes

00:52:06.240 precisely nowhere

00:52:07.280 yeah

00:52:07.760 and that it leads

00:52:08.440 to acceleration

00:52:09.040 so that should be

00:52:11.680 considered

00:52:12.160 if you wanted to

00:52:13.860 give netanyahu

00:52:14.620 an excuse

00:52:15.260 to sort of

00:52:16.160 resolve the west bank

00:52:18.120 issue now

00:52:19.100 in a similar way

00:52:20.040 to what he's doing

00:52:20.800 in gaza

00:52:21.300 that's precisely it

00:52:23.360 because then he can

00:52:24.300 turn to the israeli

00:52:25.060 public and say

00:52:25.760 i'm the only one

00:52:27.180 who has proven

00:52:27.840 that he's willing

00:52:28.480 to use enough

00:52:29.180 military force

00:52:29.920 to prevent the

00:52:32.000 emergence of a

00:52:32.680 palestinian state

00:52:33.500 and i'm the only one

00:52:35.200 who has proven

00:52:35.800 that i can bend

00:52:36.900 the americans

00:52:37.500 to my will

00:52:38.140 consistently

00:52:38.740 in order to

00:52:40.740 prevent the

00:52:41.400 emergence of

00:52:41.880 palestinian state

00:52:42.680 remember ten percent

00:52:44.360 of the israeli

00:52:44.960 population lives

00:52:45.680 in the west bank

00:52:46.420 you will not

00:52:47.840 move out ten

00:52:48.900 percent of your

00:52:49.360 population

00:52:49.840 except if you

00:52:51.260 faced a

00:52:51.840 catastrophic defeat

00:52:52.740 or if you've

00:52:54.740 faced mass migration

00:52:55.920 from islam

00:52:56.620 and you've become

00:52:57.080 birmingham

00:52:57.420 but these are the

00:52:59.200 only ways to do

00:53:00.040 it

00:53:00.320 wow

00:53:02.300 the left not

00:53:03.000 thinking head is

00:53:03.820 ancient knowledge

00:53:04.800 they're ignorant of

00:53:05.540 the past and blind

00:53:06.140 to the future

00:53:06.580 wow yeah

00:53:07.020 this revival will

00:53:07.920 have little to do

00:53:08.620 as long as the

00:53:09.140 muslims stop

00:53:09.640 this revival will

00:53:11.020 have little to do

00:53:11.840 as long as the

00:53:12.380 muslims stop

00:53:12.840 attacking little

00:53:13.360 girls

00:53:13.680 no well this

00:53:14.520 will have to

00:53:15.360 do as long

00:53:16.740 as yeah

00:53:17.300 right right

00:53:17.800 well oh yeah

00:53:18.860 this revival will

00:53:20.320 have to do as

00:53:21.020 long as they

00:53:21.500 here in canada

00:53:24.120 we now recognize

00:53:24.820 palestine as a

00:53:25.580 state well this

00:53:26.480 thing i think it's

00:53:27.120 one of those sort

00:53:27.600 of like ideas

00:53:28.440 whose time has

00:53:29.200 come moments

00:53:30.300 yes for the

00:53:31.280 shit lib international

00:53:32.180 class yeah

00:53:32.740 which is great

00:53:33.960 for you it's going

00:53:35.540 to accomplish

00:53:35.960 nothing if

00:53:37.460 anything it's

00:53:37.960 going to backfire

00:53:38.580 it's going to

00:53:39.020 make things worse

00:53:39.580 yes

00:53:39.860 coincidentally two

00:53:42.080 days before our

00:53:42.900 minister of justice

00:53:43.580 and attorney general

00:53:44.320 of canada

00:53:44.880 announced hate

00:53:45.800 speech legislation

00:53:46.700 what a surprise

00:53:48.260 welcome to our

00:53:49.100 world

00:53:49.340 yeah

00:53:49.760 if israel sends a

00:53:51.720 flood of palestinians

00:53:52.760 into the uk it

00:53:53.460 should be treated as

00:53:54.160 the equivalent of

00:53:54.720 being directly

00:53:55.120 attacked

00:53:55.600 sure but it's not

00:53:56.560 going to be

00:53:57.560 yeah

00:53:58.040 that's what they

00:53:59.200 were saying about

00:53:59.660 russia

00:54:00.020 yeah

00:54:00.460 weaponizing

00:54:01.420 immigrants

00:54:01.940 israel

00:54:02.580 yeah

00:54:03.200 we're literally

00:54:04.580 just going to

00:54:04.960 take them and

00:54:05.460 they're going to

00:54:05.740 stay here forever

00:54:06.320 and we're going to

00:54:06.720 pay for the

00:54:07.060 privilege

00:54:07.420 and steve says

00:54:09.500 carl please don't

00:54:10.560 ever change us

00:54:11.120 atheists don't need

00:54:11.820 to forgive

00:54:12.200 stay forward

00:54:12.860 thinking

00:54:13.160 well that's the

00:54:14.160 thing isn't it

00:54:14.740 you know

00:54:14.980 i'll leave the

00:54:16.320 forgiveness to the

00:54:16.960 christians

00:54:17.340 you guys are good

00:54:17.940 at that

00:54:18.320 we'll worry about

00:54:19.820 the rest of it

00:54:20.700 keeping my mouth

00:54:23.060 shut

00:54:23.320 yeah

00:54:24.240 can we get the

00:54:27.680 next one up

00:54:28.020 samson

00:54:28.340 cool

00:54:30.360 get islander

00:54:31.580 it's very very

00:54:32.500 good

00:54:32.760 and it's not

00:54:33.800 going to be on

00:54:34.120 sale for much

00:54:34.540 longer so

00:54:35.180 buy it

00:54:36.140 also

00:54:37.140 you can get this

00:54:39.140 little chap

00:54:39.560 i think this is

00:54:40.100 only in the uk

00:54:41.100 isn't it

00:54:41.600 no no no

00:54:42.060 you can get it

00:54:42.420 anywhere

00:54:42.660 oh is it

00:54:43.020 gammonzilla

00:54:44.220 international store

00:54:45.600 rock your

00:54:46.340 gammonzilla

00:54:46.860 okay it's a

00:54:47.840 cool little mug

00:54:48.480 very good quality

00:54:49.340 as well actually

00:54:50.480 so do it

00:54:52.080 buy it

00:54:52.580 quality

00:54:53.000 but you know

00:54:53.860 what i mean

00:54:54.080 you get some

00:54:54.540 mugs

00:54:54.740 they're quite thin

00:54:55.540 it's the same

00:54:56.040 with the t-shirts

00:54:56.600 it's the same

00:54:58.540 with the t-shirts

00:54:59.040 because the thing

00:54:59.520 is like you

00:55:00.280 you could like

00:55:00.900 you know

00:55:01.120 scrimp and save

00:55:01.760 and like cut

00:55:02.280 corners and have

00:55:02.940 like some thin

00:55:03.520 t-shirt but i'm

00:55:03.980 like no

00:55:04.300 we'll just you

00:55:05.420 know we'll just

00:55:06.120 get good ones

00:55:06.880 but anyway let's

00:55:07.760 carry on

00:55:08.280 yeah right

00:55:08.620 um patriots

00:55:11.040 we're in

00:55:11.300 control

00:55:11.600 or the right

00:55:12.820 wing is in

00:55:13.240 control the

00:55:13.680 online right

00:55:14.280 we we are in

00:55:15.660 control we are

00:55:16.920 winning effectively

00:55:17.960 and i want to

00:55:19.300 talk about

00:55:19.700 nigel farage

00:55:21.260 our flip-flopping

00:55:22.760 farage

00:55:24.000 our erstwhile

00:55:24.980 dear leader

00:55:25.580 yeah well but

00:55:26.800 there's benefits to

00:55:27.780 this there are

00:55:28.620 benefits at least

00:55:29.580 if we're looking

00:55:30.700 at him on a

00:55:31.360 curve

00:55:31.920 so the flip-flops

00:55:33.500 instantly are no

00:55:34.160 good obviously but

00:55:35.060 we look at him on a

00:55:36.160 curve it's fantastic

00:55:37.480 so i think to

00:55:39.220 start we will look

00:55:40.940 at pretty much a

00:55:41.920 year ago uh and

00:55:43.700 what nigel farage had

00:55:44.920 to say about mass

00:55:46.840 deportations if we

00:55:48.200 can just get out

00:55:48.980 there no no yeah

00:55:51.140 i'm not going to

00:55:52.040 get dragged down the

00:55:52.840 route of mass

00:55:54.160 deportations or

00:55:55.180 anything like that

00:55:56.040 do you support mass

00:55:56.900 deportations well if

00:55:59.220 people come illegally

00:55:59.980 they should not be

00:56:00.560 allowed to stay

00:56:01.040 simple ads simple

00:56:02.720 ads and the only way

00:56:04.280 you're ever going to

00:56:05.240 solve the channel

00:56:05.840 and boy have a look at

00:56:07.240 the last three days

00:56:08.100 you know 500 odd um

00:56:11.180 on friday 800 on

00:56:13.840 saturday nearly 300

00:56:15.660 yesterday i mean the

00:56:16.640 numbers are the numbers

00:56:17.960 are just exploding you

00:56:19.420 know these young of

00:56:20.700 these young men that

00:56:21.380 are coming um and

00:56:23.460 unless they know that

00:56:26.960 number one they'll

00:56:28.700 never be granted

00:56:29.420 refugee status by

00:56:30.540 coming via this route

00:56:31.580 that number two they're

00:56:33.500 not going to stay

00:56:34.220 they'll keep coming

00:56:35.280 it's dead simple

00:56:36.280 no matter what you do

00:56:37.680 to the gangs so i

00:56:39.240 mean you could give

00:56:39.740 it you know you could

00:56:41.200 give these gang members

00:56:42.060 life but the more

00:56:43.560 people are going to

00:56:44.040 step in to the gap

00:56:45.340 because of the money

00:56:45.960 involved i mean look

00:56:46.940 think about drugs

00:56:48.060 however big a sentence

00:56:49.640 is we give to drug

00:56:50.280 dealers there's always

00:56:50.800 somebody else to come

00:56:52.240 and fill that plate

00:56:53.000 so okay you've you've

00:56:54.820 identified the problem

00:56:55.740 all the causes all the

00:56:57.260 exigencies of it so

00:56:59.080 what's the one thing

00:56:59.940 that you need to do is

00:57:01.260 just mass deport all of

00:57:02.400 the people who are

00:57:02.940 taking advantage of

00:57:03.680 that it's really

00:57:04.400 simple yeah and i mean

00:57:05.760 that is what he said

00:57:06.440 at the start so i'm

00:57:07.620 not going to keep

00:57:08.240 there's no point

00:57:08.920 labouring the point

00:57:09.540 and and you guys

00:57:10.560 watching nigel frage

00:57:11.480 be a wet blanket a

00:57:12.960 wet letter we've seen

00:57:14.280 him do that many many

00:57:15.080 times but coincidentally

00:57:16.640 that was that was the

00:57:18.000 17th of september

00:57:19.280 2024 yes it was a

00:57:20.960 year ago and then

00:57:22.020 today

00:57:22.720 oh sorry what

00:57:26.220 oh so we are having

00:57:27.820 mass deportations

00:57:28.900 back on the menu boys

00:57:30.060 superb great i mean

00:57:34.060 i'm i'm glad to hear

00:57:36.080 it mr frage yeah i

00:57:38.100 mean i'm here for it

00:57:38.920 so this this release

00:57:41.320 today and obviously

00:57:42.020 there's been a subtle

00:57:45.520 update as we were going

00:57:46.740 live as well to say

00:57:47.780 that the figures that

00:57:49.160 they've got in here was

00:57:50.940 based on a study which

00:57:51.920 was slightly incorrect

00:57:52.880 so they're going to

00:57:53.680 publish some new

00:57:54.340 studies or whatever but

00:57:56.320 the basis of it is it

00:57:58.560 doesn't really matter

00:57:59.140 actually quite yeah i

00:58:00.040 don't care about the

00:58:00.600 money the basis of it

00:58:01.760 is is that they're

00:58:02.640 saying yeah reforms a

00:58:03.660 mass deportations would

00:58:04.720 save 234 billion pounds

00:58:06.500 as it warns boris wave

00:58:08.120 of migration will take

00:58:09.000 critical toll on the

00:58:09.840 welfare system so they're

00:58:10.760 looking at this from a

00:58:11.780 monetary monetary

00:58:12.780 economic perspective

00:58:13.840 which is not the

00:58:14.660 correct one but anyway

00:58:15.580 it's not but it's a

00:58:16.460 start we've gone from

00:58:18.240 i'll take whatever i can

00:58:19.280 take yeah i'll take

00:58:20.080 whatever we have gone

00:58:21.380 that's christian spirit

00:58:22.560 there oh is it right

00:58:23.400 i think it's just the

00:58:25.760 spirit of abject

00:58:26.380 desperation at this point

00:58:27.900 but i mean yeah yeah

00:58:29.520 well we've gone from

00:58:30.620 he's not interested in

00:58:31.780 at all to a year later

00:58:34.300 not only that in the

00:58:35.980 edgington interview he's

00:58:37.380 like well is it at least

00:58:38.060 your ambition no and

00:58:39.640 yeah no he was he was

00:58:40.680 like no it's not my

00:58:41.480 ambition yeah i'm not

00:58:42.460 interested political

00:58:43.480 impossibility wasn't it

00:58:44.680 yeah doesn't want it to

00:58:45.480 his name because it

00:58:46.940 would sound bad frankly

00:58:48.380 yeah and a political

00:58:50.080 impossibility was what he

00:58:51.700 said uh and and so a

00:58:53.540 year later we've now got

00:58:55.100 this on the table so uh

00:58:56.940 brief rundown of this

00:58:58.200 article says nigel

00:58:58.900 farage will pledge to

00:58:59.920 eject hundreds of

00:59:00.760 thousands of legal

00:59:01.440 migrants so legal

00:59:02.440 migrants legal migrants

00:59:04.820 in an unprecedented

00:59:06.240 reversal of britain's

00:59:08.000 relaxed border rules the

00:59:09.360 reform uk leader will

00:59:10.400 unveil plans to force all

00:59:11.980 migrants with a

00:59:13.080 permanent residency to

00:59:15.020 reapply for visas under

00:59:16.720 stricter criteria including

00:59:18.100 a higher salary

00:59:18.960 requirement and a better

00:59:20.640 standard of english now

00:59:21.880 this is all actually

00:59:22.400 perfectly reasonable

00:59:23.380 it's not like most of

00:59:27.060 the world would agree

00:59:27.780 that this is yeah just

00:59:29.200 just absolutely fine

00:59:30.120 there's no controversy

00:59:31.400 here at all shouldn't

00:59:33.240 be no anyway yes you

00:59:34.580 should be able to speak

00:59:35.180 english you're in

00:59:36.720 england um and you

00:59:38.720 should earn lots of

00:59:39.300 money because we don't

00:59:39.860 have to pay for you

00:59:40.520 yeah you why are we

00:59:41.500 paying for you you

00:59:42.000 should be able to

00:59:42.480 facilitate your own life

00:59:43.660 if you're not if you're

00:59:45.300 not a net contributor to

00:59:46.540 the country why are you

00:59:47.440 here yeah a hundred

00:59:48.580 percent got enough

00:59:49.340 parasites of our own

00:59:50.440 thank you yeah exactly

00:59:51.780 absolutely exactly so

00:59:53.580 that they're saying that

00:59:55.000 it will save them like

00:59:56.420 234 billion pound or us

00:59:58.520 save us even if it was

00:59:59.840 a tenth of that i'd be

01:00:00.700 happy yeah we can

01:00:02.420 quibble over and this

01:00:03.460 is what the online yeah

01:00:04.980 sort of establishment are

01:00:07.180 doing now is trying to

01:00:08.180 quibble over the numbers

01:00:09.060 it doesn't matter if it

01:00:11.000 saves any money yeah

01:00:13.240 that's fine even if it

01:00:14.540 saves my culture it saves

01:00:16.080 my country i don't that's

01:00:17.820 fine it could save no

01:00:19.500 money pay for it yeah

01:00:20.760 yeah i'll pay for them

01:00:22.020 to go yeah even if it

01:00:23.840 didn't save any money i'd

01:00:25.060 be happy even if it cost

01:00:26.120 money i'd be happy i

01:00:27.420 remember realizing that

01:00:28.940 the remain vote was going

01:00:30.540 to lose because in the

01:00:33.240 debates they kept on

01:00:34.420 arguing that leaving the

01:00:36.060 eu is going to cost you

01:00:37.360 300 pounds a year your

01:00:39.300 family will be worse off

01:00:40.560 by 500 pounds a year

01:00:41.760 sold like but i would pay

01:00:44.260 that just to wipe that

01:00:45.300 smug look off your face

01:00:46.320 exactly yeah that's

01:00:47.340 reasonable um yeah you

01:00:49.460 know like oh dear um

01:00:53.640 and so zia yusuf reform

01:00:56.480 policy chief said the

01:00:57.700 changes would lead to

01:00:58.500 hundreds of thousands of

01:00:59.560 people having to apply

01:01:00.460 and ultimately losing

01:01:01.740 their settled status so

01:01:02.680 we're basically talking

01:01:03.380 about like denaturalization

01:01:04.420 like they're gone they're

01:01:05.400 completely gone and this

01:01:06.440 is all to do with we have

01:01:07.680 this thing called

01:01:08.280 indefinite leave to

01:01:09.260 remain um as well

01:01:11.640 where you know you

01:01:12.900 sort of like a green

01:01:13.820 card yeah to the

01:01:15.020 american audience

01:01:15.660 if they've lived in the

01:01:16.920 country consistently for

01:01:17.880 five years for some

01:01:18.660 reason they're just

01:01:19.180 allowed to become

01:01:19.680 citizens and they can

01:01:20.480 just stay forever and i

01:01:21.820 don't understand it it

01:01:22.860 makes no goddamn sense

01:01:23.820 yeah it it it dilutes

01:01:25.840 the ibl yeah no no no it

01:01:30.300 it dilutes the prestige of

01:01:32.060 the country because if

01:01:33.040 anyone can gain access

01:01:34.040 based on time there is no

01:01:36.260 what what what's good about

01:01:38.020 a country where's the

01:01:38.900 appeal you know you want

01:01:40.640 to live in a certain place

01:01:41.600 because it's exclusive

01:01:42.600 all right we like exclusive

01:01:44.420 things we like things which

01:01:45.480 are rare if anyone can come

01:01:46.980 here it loses it sure but

01:01:50.180 even then why should we give

01:01:51.340 any of it up to anyone

01:01:52.320 else oh no no i agree i

01:01:53.600 agree like you are right

01:01:55.060 but like you know these

01:01:56.400 people can just piss off

01:01:57.220 back to where they came

01:01:57.880 from yeah they've got a

01:01:58.680 homeland yeah i mean look

01:02:00.080 at that but boris

01:02:00.940 way of 3.8 million people

01:02:02.400 boris institute let in in

01:02:03.760 like three years yeah that's

01:02:05.340 like you are insane it is

01:02:07.120 bad mental and and there you

01:02:09.300 know that's that's fast

01:02:10.140 approaching now yeah you

01:02:11.460 know that needs to be fixed

01:02:12.780 now there's a few things to

01:02:13.920 take a look at of why this

01:02:14.860 is good right because so i

01:02:18.080 wasn't aware of this but i

01:02:19.460 became aware of it when you

01:02:22.220 start talking about things

01:02:23.300 and you make it policy the

01:02:25.640 lords can't overturn it they

01:02:29.440 cannot overturn it they

01:02:30.560 cannot get in the way so the

01:02:32.520 fact that he's saying this

01:02:33.400 now as much as he's weak

01:02:34.780 source yeah flip-flop

01:02:36.040 garage whatever this is very

01:02:38.280 good very promising making it

01:02:40.360 into a manifesto promise means

01:02:41.980 that the lords does not

01:02:43.020 overturn government policy that

01:02:45.420 it was elected on yeah

01:02:46.540 exactly they cannot get in the

01:02:47.640 way of this yeah so if they

01:02:49.600 win a majority and they get

01:02:51.400 in and this is in their

01:02:52.660 manifesto and they actually

01:02:54.740 seek to enact it which

01:02:55.940 lots of ifs lots of ifs

01:02:59.920 here exactly but that's

01:03:02.140 fantastic it's superbs

01:03:03.560 absolutely brilliant so

01:03:05.360 i love that the boris wave

01:03:08.760 has become a political word

01:03:11.200 yeah in written and that it

01:03:13.400 will forever be associated

01:03:14.900 with boris johnson he will go

01:03:16.160 down he did it he's the one

01:03:17.580 who did it he will go down as

01:03:18.880 one of the worst if not the

01:03:20.640 worst prime minister we have

01:03:22.540 ever had in his own words he

01:03:24.000 wanted the financial times to

01:03:25.180 like him again it's like what

01:03:26.460 why do you want those traitors

01:03:27.700 to like you child of a man

01:03:30.140 yeah disgraceful um so you've

01:03:32.800 got you know articles like this

01:03:34.620 from the guardian farage vows to

01:03:36.260 scrap indefinite leave to

01:03:37.160 remain placing thousands at risk

01:03:38.860 the thing is good the other

01:03:41.560 it needs to be millions well

01:03:42.780 it's going to be hundreds of

01:03:43.580 thousands at the very least but

01:03:44.640 it needs to be millions you are

01:03:45.500 right the other big immigration

01:03:47.060 destinations are the gulf

01:03:48.820 qatar the uae saudi arabia look

01:03:50.960 how they do it look how they do

01:03:52.400 it yeah you lose your job you're

01:03:53.980 out yeah and that's how it should

01:03:55.500 be you will never have political

01:03:57.260 enfranchisement and you'll never

01:03:59.020 get benefits unless the king

01:04:01.220 decides that you know you are

01:04:03.740 granted citizenship because of my

01:04:05.940 benevolence towards you and your

01:04:07.640 personal services for the

01:04:09.020 country it's it's that exclusive

01:04:11.060 it's that limited now they have a

01:04:13.180 sort of gold visa in the uae that

01:04:15.060 lets you stay even after you lose

01:04:16.440 your job sure if you pay but that

01:04:18.020 is based on a ridiculously high

01:04:19.620 income yeah yeah and based on so

01:04:22.040 many other requirements that they

01:04:24.140 are genuinely recruiting the best

01:04:26.220 yeah so this is this isn't

01:04:29.120 controversial anywhere else in the

01:04:31.100 world which is why the liberals have

01:04:33.340 to understand how extreme they are

01:04:35.040 oh yeah they're trying to turn

01:04:36.720 britain into a global slum yeah

01:04:38.940 which is an insane policy anywhere

01:04:42.000 in the world everybody who lives in

01:04:44.480 a global slum wants to leave it

01:04:45.940 yes yes well they keep coming here

01:04:47.600 which is why tens of thousands of

01:04:49.840 brits every year but there's no

01:04:51.120 but there's nowhere else where they

01:04:52.420 get benefits except in europe i know

01:04:54.120 yeah it's actually insane um and so

01:04:57.780 you got articles like they're saying

01:04:59.180 you know reform uk plans to force

01:05:00.560 non-citizens to apply for visas with

01:05:02.320 high salary thresholds and no access

01:05:03.740 to no access to nhs services don't

01:05:06.200 tempt me with a good time this is

01:05:07.280 fantastic yeah yeah perfect you know

01:05:09.240 this is how it should be yeah um

01:05:11.280 non-citizens should have no access to

01:05:13.100 any services what are you talking about

01:05:14.460 why am i paying for some rando to turn

01:05:16.860 up and use my tax money like i don't i

01:05:19.700 don't even get to go to you know gp like

01:05:22.260 it's that inaccessible to you know to

01:05:25.320 britons that work this is the thing and

01:05:27.940 i've argued this a lot is those that

01:05:30.120 cry about the welfare state ending are

01:05:32.920 the other ones which can use it those

01:05:35.040 are paying for the welfare state can't

01:05:37.520 access it like i can't access the nhs

01:05:39.520 you think i'm going to be able to call

01:05:41.300 up at 9 a.m when they open and get an

01:05:43.420 appointment in a few weeks time i get

01:05:45.520 this from my wife all the time it's

01:05:47.200 an impossibility the phone lines open at

01:05:48.940 8 a.m and instantly they're rammed

01:05:50.580 yeah it's just like good luck getting

01:05:52.160 good luck those those actually fund the

01:05:54.760 welfare state are unable to use it and

01:05:57.160 that's not how it should be because

01:05:58.700 that's only going to breed massive

01:06:00.400 resentment huge contempt for those that

01:06:02.340 are using it that's not how it should

01:06:04.260 be then it's so many other things like

01:06:05.800 housing and yeah just the amount of

01:06:08.320 money we actually spend on just giving

01:06:09.620 free money so why are we doing any of

01:06:11.900 this oh it's delusion it's crazy it's

01:06:14.500 it's not that these people keep saying

01:06:16.300 that any kind of corrective measure is

01:06:18.260 fascism and what they are doing is

01:06:21.320 willing into being fascism yeah like

01:06:23.600 this keeps on going for long enough

01:06:25.400 people in britain by 2035 let's say

01:06:29.960 this continues 2035 people in britain

01:06:32.060 will be roaming the streets looking for

01:06:34.140 people of a different race yeah 100%

01:06:35.960 they will it will get there so if you

01:06:38.240 don't want it to get there please

01:06:39.440 moderate it's already and have some

01:06:40.960 sense becoming a self-fulfilling

01:06:42.420 prophecy we've seen the you know the

01:06:44.620 the tiktok videos going around of like

01:06:46.220 you know a couple of english guys being

01:06:47.980 like oh you know you you're a muslim and

01:06:50.160 i'm going to bully you in the streets

01:06:51.640 i said look i don't want that to be the

01:06:53.140 country i don't want that to happen but

01:06:55.000 what you have to understand is that the

01:06:56.440 population demographics really matter in

01:06:59.060 this this way and you're going to get

01:07:01.580 the essentially the lebanonization of

01:07:03.280 britain and otherwise you know you've

01:07:05.600 got no choice you have to make it so

01:07:07.600 that we are by far the majority

01:07:09.580 population and that's just never going

01:07:11.040 to change i mean in lebanon just to

01:07:12.600 sort of make that point briefly i think

01:07:14.040 both i think dan and i are doing up

01:07:16.220 doing a long episode about this but

01:07:18.180 there were so many abuses from the

01:07:20.560 palestinians for so many years that at

01:07:23.460 some point in 1975 the christians just

01:07:25.880 turned murderous yeah so it went

01:07:27.820 absolutely insane because that was the

01:07:29.600 only way to get the country back yes

01:07:31.920 unfortunately they failed yeah so that

01:07:34.200 that but that has happened in history and

01:07:36.980 if you don't learn from it yes you are

01:07:39.120 not qualified to be in government and you

01:07:41.080 are not qualified to opine about policy

01:07:42.840 yeah the thing is if that's happening

01:07:44.920 now if you've got a population that is

01:07:46.460 reasonable with their request and

01:07:48.580 they're doing it in a reasonable

01:07:49.540 fashion you heed it before it turns

01:07:51.680 into that yeah but what we're getting

01:07:53.900 now as well you'd have to think it is

01:07:55.680 the thing is the more amenable and

01:07:59.160 um restrained uh you know citizenry are

01:08:04.040 in their requests the more extreme

01:08:06.060 they'll be when they snap exactly right

01:08:08.280 like nobody in lebanon that whiplash will

01:08:09.880 be crazy nobody lebanon ever objected to

01:08:14.200 tens of thousands hundreds of thousands

01:08:15.740 of armenians showing up yeah because

01:08:18.040 they set up their own institutions they

01:08:20.260 went into work immediately they took

01:08:22.260 care of themselves they were not a

01:08:23.880 burden to anybody they lived in a slum

01:08:25.540 in the beginning and now the whole

01:08:27.480 area is full of jewelry stores yeah you

01:08:30.500 know it's it's nobody dislikes the

01:08:33.420 armenians they didn't ask for anything

01:08:35.400 they were genuine refugees they just

01:08:37.660 been massacred they just been

01:08:38.800 genocided we're like okay you can live

01:08:41.720 here that's fine we're not gonna hurt you

01:08:43.220 and you're not gonna hurt us they didn't

01:08:44.880 start there's gangs or anything they

01:08:46.260 didn't start grooming gangs yeah wait

01:08:47.740 wait they didn't do any of this stuff

01:08:49.040 what was the religion of the armenians

01:08:50.340 again

01:08:50.660 orthodox christians yeah what a surprise

01:08:53.780 it sort of makes a difference yeah so

01:08:55.500 richard ties tweeted this out says

01:08:57.720 reform will scrap the indefinite leave

01:08:59.020 to remain scheme retrospectively oh

01:09:01.440 yeah i'm listening richard we're

01:09:03.460 building off of even more stuff has

01:09:05.140 started to come out again you know

01:09:07.040 don't tempt me with a good time come

01:09:08.300 on now richard do this please don't

01:09:10.220 you dare tease me richard yeah um so

01:09:13.580 hundreds of thousands of migrants

01:09:14.940 will have to reapply and will not be

01:09:16.480 able to claim any benefit or social

01:09:17.580 housing and and that that is the first

01:09:21.040 thing that reform has said that i go

01:09:22.720 that's good yes like actually do this

01:09:25.400 that's that's a fantastic idea because

01:09:27.400 there are so many people here that are

01:09:30.200 under the sort of pretext of them

01:09:32.500 being here was just to claim money that

01:09:34.140 there are no benefit to society they

01:09:36.380 don't belong here then leave right you

01:09:39.080 know the only people that

01:09:40.520 should be here and are not a benefit

01:09:44.900 of society are natives and and even

01:09:47.880 then there should be an element of you

01:09:51.000 know pushing them to then be a benefit

01:09:52.840 to society but you know that's a burden

01:09:55.080 which we just will unfortunately always

01:09:57.040 have in a society but we don't have to

01:09:58.620 be burdened by random bird welders

01:10:01.340 that's just not that's a choice so

01:10:03.500 saint paul says he who does not work

01:10:05.100 does not eat so does lenin yes i don't

01:10:09.480 think saint paul was quoting lenin no

01:10:11.480 no i don't think lenin was quoting

01:10:12.800 saint paul but the point is any anyone

01:10:14.700 in a position uh like that there's a

01:10:17.020 convergence where it's like oh yeah no

01:10:18.820 you've got to work you lazy bastards but

01:10:21.020 notice this like this is some of the

01:10:22.820 first stuff that they've been posting

01:10:24.020 that actually is getting a lot traction

01:10:26.440 traction and likes finally now again

01:10:29.820 navy in the channel yeah how much

01:10:31.660 traction that'll get

01:10:32.560 yeah and so you know i mean the online

01:10:36.760 left they're going mental about this

01:10:38.360 i know like actually going mental about

01:10:39.960 this i mean who's this deal

01:10:41.300 ola wanley great british name that

01:10:44.760 yeah reform's not serious bring it on

01:10:47.100 and see how the courts will deal with it

01:10:48.200 well they will deal with it because

01:10:49.280 the well that's human rights will be

01:10:52.080 abolished right that's the point you

01:10:53.880 you establish a political system which

01:10:56.680 will work in your favor for your

01:10:57.920 policies yes so yeah that's fine

01:10:59.560 well this bring it on this is the

01:11:01.140 point though farage thais you better

01:11:02.880 be prepared you better have a slate of

01:11:04.960 things you're going to repeal that they

01:11:06.580 will appeal to in order to prevent you

01:11:08.700 from doing this yes you better literally

01:11:10.460 day one repeal that repeal that repeal

01:11:12.140 that repeal that right there are no more

01:11:13.660 lefty human rights lawyers anymore

01:11:14.960 because there's no more lefty

01:11:15.960 legislation that they use to keep

01:11:17.800 these foreigners in the country so

01:11:19.180 now all gone they need to that you

01:11:22.040 reform if you're watching you're not

01:11:23.620 watching oh they probably are watching

01:11:25.240 actually well well i heed my words then

01:11:27.860 you need to hire a lawyer get them on

01:11:30.580 the payroll a lawyer that is intimately

01:11:32.580 familiar with every single case that

01:11:34.260 has been uh you know squashed under what

01:11:38.180 legislation it's been squashed analyze

01:11:39.880 it and repeal every single point of

01:11:43.320 legislation if you don't have that

01:11:44.980 already in place you need to get it in

01:11:47.080 place otherwise yeah you're not serious

01:11:48.840 yeah find yourself the furthest right

01:11:50.960 wing lawyer you can find and just have

01:11:53.760 him drop us literally a slate of things

01:11:56.620 that you just need to repeal on day one

01:11:58.000 every single piece of legislation

01:11:59.720 every single bit just just literally

01:12:02.240 like tony tony blair legislated like a

01:12:04.320 demon yeah oh yeah every single week

01:12:06.540 he would put through dozens and dozens

01:12:08.280 of pieces new sweeping pieces of

01:12:10.360 legislation you need to be like that in

01:12:12.280 reverse you need to be like no we are

01:12:13.560 going to repeal so goddamn much it's

01:12:16.080 going to be you know your head's going

01:12:17.640 to spin and it can't be done in one act

01:12:19.400 it can all be done in one act in one

01:12:20.840 david starkey's great reveal bill yeah

01:12:22.800 exactly

01:12:23.200 yeah but so this is fantastic but let's

01:12:26.680 not lose sight of the fact that niger

01:12:29.140 farage is only here at this point in

01:12:31.220 time

01:12:31.600 because and it i don't want to take we

01:12:35.520 shouldn't take all the credit but it

01:12:36.560 is a large portion of what we do here

01:12:38.640 load the seaters online the the the online

01:12:42.220 right quote unquote

01:12:43.200 he is bending to our will it's only

01:12:47.840 because we've made the argument so

01:12:49.180 successfully over the last year that

01:12:50.580 niger farage

01:12:51.140 has realized that the the the vibe has

01:12:53.740 shifted yeah

01:12:54.500 it's hard to stand it's like no if you

01:12:56.280 say anything else other than we're

01:12:58.160 going to deport millions

01:12:59.040 then you're going to get it in the neck

01:13:01.280 constantly in your in your comments

01:13:02.900 actually you're going to constantly get

01:13:03.980 bombarded with hatred online for

01:13:05.900 people like what that is not sufficient

01:13:07.500 yeah and so yeah it is absolutely the

01:13:09.740 online right people like us and thank god

01:13:12.680 you guys helping us stay afloat that

01:13:14.620 has allowed this sea change in british

01:13:16.900 political politics and you'll notice

01:13:18.320 how they're all now flying the flag

01:13:19.780 they're like the lib dem's like we're

01:13:21.160 patriots too labor like we're patriots

01:13:22.880 too it's like yeah okay traitors calm

01:13:24.400 down

01:13:24.640 yeah i accept that you accept the

01:13:26.820 legitimacy of our movement and how we

01:13:28.880 control the dialectic

01:13:30.020 yeah and again you know his flip-flopping

01:13:32.160 is illustrative of that yeah right like

01:13:33.740 he he's a he's a follower not a leader

01:13:36.600 yes you know like again this was

01:13:38.620 something not that long ago we're

01:13:41.020 going to deport 600 000 and then he came

01:13:43.860 out and was like oh actually sorry yeah

01:13:47.500 it's it's just going to be um you know

01:13:49.900 it's just going to be men uh that we're

01:13:51.740 going to deport and then and then he

01:13:53.260 rolled that back and was like no no

01:13:56.080 women are going as well because what was

01:13:58.640 the online status of that everyone was

01:14:00.620 in outrage everyone's like what the hell

01:14:02.000 are you talking about nigel the americans

01:14:03.680 say chimp out yeah yeah yeah literally

01:14:05.840 yes yeah keep chimping out yeah keep

01:14:08.120 chimping out it's working you can follow

01:14:09.900 it you can track it nigel doesn't lead

01:14:13.080 none of what he's implementing here

01:14:15.340 none of what he's stating here is his

01:14:17.680 own ideas it's our idea it's the right

01:14:21.240 discourse online so you must keep pushing

01:14:24.860 this right nigel farage uh he he he's a bit

01:14:31.940 weak source but we can use him as a blunt

01:14:34.700 instrument to push the overton window on a

01:14:37.800 national level and that's where his use

01:14:40.440 is yes right that's very very very useful

01:14:43.800 and when he wins he might do something

01:14:45.920 useful exactly yeah he might do you know

01:14:47.880 i mean that's the thing i'm not holding

01:14:49.220 my breath no no he might do something

01:14:51.240 useful and if he does i will give him

01:14:52.900 full credit for it you know don't get me

01:14:54.220 wrong and i think it needs to be explained

01:14:55.980 clearly what are the consequences of

01:14:57.400 failure yeah like he wants to save as

01:15:00.620 much of the system as he can fair enough

01:15:02.420 he has to understand what will happen to

01:15:03.980 the system if he fails and if he doesn't

01:15:05.940 deliver because the mood in britain is

01:15:08.880 extremely dark people are rightly angry

01:15:12.460 rightly resentful there's this enormous

01:15:15.160 sense of injustice and lack of recognition

01:15:17.600 for the native brits and eventually this has

01:15:22.720 consequences oh yeah but the thing is

01:15:24.860 beware of the wrath of the patient man

01:15:26.340 well the million tommy robinson supporters

01:15:28.520 out last week is that that was a shot across

01:15:31.040 the bowels and they really took yes

01:15:32.420 personally oh yeah i saw them like

01:15:34.560 propaganda has been yeah yeah there were

01:15:36.020 like 150 000 far right on the streets it's

01:15:38.620 like well it was more close to a million

01:15:40.280 but yeah the point is be afraid because

01:15:42.680 something is genuinely changing in this

01:15:44.220 country and the thing is it even if nigel

01:15:47.920 gets in power and doesn't do what we want

01:15:51.200 him to do and when i say we're talking

01:15:53.160 about on a national level right because it

01:15:55.220 is the popular opinion what we have is the

01:15:58.480 popular opinion so even if he doesn't do

01:16:00.980 what we we want him to do it's still useful

01:16:04.820 because he would have pushed the overton

01:16:06.400 window in such a direction that though the

01:16:09.900 individual that comes after him because

01:16:11.680 inevitably there will be someone that will

01:16:13.580 come after him if he doesn't do what we

01:16:15.940 want him to do we'll have just blank slate

01:16:20.380 to do everything that we want so no matter

01:16:23.520 what way you look at it nigel farage is good

01:16:26.520 and useful at least at the moment right

01:16:29.860 completely correct and just to add to that

01:16:33.180 point the competition between low farage and

01:16:37.980 janric is extremely beneficial yeah yes

01:16:41.060 because they all have to prove their

01:16:43.720 credibility on our people and this is proven

01:16:45.760 in the crucible of the online right i hate

01:16:49.120 to this is the sort of testing mechanism is the

01:16:51.720 online right and unless you convince that

01:16:54.360 audience that you're serious you don't have

01:16:57.200 a chance and you will be one-upped by the

01:16:59.280 next guy so the sake of time i'm afraid

01:17:01.360 we're gonna have oh we're over so we'll

01:17:03.000 close with ash sarkar's great words so yes

01:17:06.540 lads we're winning his language you know

01:17:10.560 what's interesting this is from 2016 wasn't

01:17:13.020 it right yeah so nine years ago 2016 2017

01:17:15.600 um so yeah this it's just interesting how

01:17:18.860 quickly things have shifted you know because

01:17:21.260 it used to be the the absolute cultural

01:17:23.640 dominance of the left yes and there was

01:17:26.160 nothing going on on the right and like you

01:17:28.400 know the the smug look that they thought

01:17:30.320 they were going to win forever yeah they

01:17:32.240 thought they were going to replace us

01:17:33.620 forever and it's like well now there's a

01:17:36.240 million far-right people in the streets what

01:17:37.580 what now you know anyway let's uh let's go

01:17:39.800 to the video comments yeah just and again

01:17:42.300 it's a very short span of time that this is

01:17:44.600 all changed in so just saying who knows and

01:17:47.840 that's and it really is because we're

01:17:49.180 controlling the dialectic the question is

01:17:50.680 not oh are we going to have an unlimited

01:17:52.560 amount of immigration the question is how

01:17:54.180 many are going to get deported by who

01:17:56.000 yeah you know the lib dems the labor party

01:17:58.340 they're all like oh yeah we're going to

01:17:59.320 deport say i know we know you're going to

01:18:02.760 because we're not going to give you a

01:18:03.900 choice let's go to the uh first comment

01:18:06.140 he was he was killed because his words made a

01:18:11.740 difference because he was showing people

01:18:16.240 the light and he was killed by the dark

01:18:19.400 elon musk seems to be very touched at

01:18:22.900 charlie's memorial back here he is quoting

01:18:25.860 the lord's prayer forgive us our

01:18:27.140 trespassers as we forgive those who

01:18:28.600 trespass against us and it seems to be

01:18:31.020 more than just words because here we see

01:18:33.400 him with donald trump

01:18:34.820 yeah i feel like quite similar to elon in

01:18:41.160 many ways like you know we we're he's a

01:18:44.340 little bit older than me but he's still

01:18:45.540 like raised in the same sort of cultural

01:18:47.740 environment you know where it's the same

01:18:49.920 you know he liked south park and all that

01:18:51.520 sort of stuff right so i i feel like quite

01:18:54.600 a lot of kinship with him in many ways and

01:18:56.360 i i was touched by all of that as well and

01:18:59.100 see why it would be um anyway let's carry

01:19:01.520 a little one

01:19:18.720 yeah

01:19:21.720 very good very good

01:19:35.420 all right uh from the website zest king says i agree with first that there's no contradiction

01:19:42.200 between forgiving your enemy and doing what justice demands as for trump hating his enemies

01:19:46.940 he is the head of state and the embodiment of the american government is due to to ensure

01:19:50.700 just punishment is enacted on the killer and all those involved sure that's all true exactly but

01:19:55.080 that's not what trump was thinking that's not what trump was thinking trump was thinking in a very

01:19:59.940 personal honestly trump has a pagan morality trump is thinking like achilles in the iliad uh he's

01:20:07.660 thinking no i just have to crush that guy and he deserves it uh which again is why i quite like

01:20:12.140 trump uh base tape says as christian i'll forgive those who ask for forgiveness i'm still waiting to

01:20:16.440 hear the request well this is the thing about the left generally they're so unrepentant

01:20:21.400 yeah you know i'm i'm i'm a soft touch if someone were to come and sincerely crying in my hand i was

01:20:26.860 like okay yeah fair enough you know let it go but these people are not like that they hate you and

01:20:31.280 they still want you dead they're just annoyed that they're on the back foot now uh and so yeah i'm

01:20:35.280 i'm personally not in a forgiving mood um man of kent says just like any martyr by striking him down

01:20:41.100 they've made him more powerful than they could ever imagine and the thing is that's so obviously true

01:20:44.840 like charlie kirk was like he was obviously very popular but like he wasn't the unifying figure

01:20:51.020 that he is now now there's no reason for anyone to speak against him whereas while he was alive and

01:20:56.680 actually you know giving his opinions on things lots of people lots of people on the right spoke

01:21:00.960 against him um but that time is over uh wells crusader says for the first time in 30 years since i was a

01:21:08.000 young boy and went to church and had the best time in honor of charlie kirk god bless god

01:21:12.840 um chance says the right has to cool down with violent rhetoric us i forgive you uh this is the

01:21:19.360 difference between us and them yes but we're we're at the point now we just don't need to prove that

01:21:23.640 we're the better people right yeah there's a there's why would we have to prove to who villains oh look

01:21:29.220 satan has turned up and like prove you're not a bad person to me it's like at a certain point why

01:21:34.100 would i do that at a certain point you have to establish that you are the correct one yeah and the

01:21:38.680 discourse just ends at that point exactly right you you literally want to mutilate children you

01:21:44.860 literally want to dispossess me of my country they've lost every aspect of the argument yes and

01:21:50.580 the ones who are doubling down there is not going to be a reconciliation with them until they genuinely

01:21:56.080 repent and even then they should never be allowed anywhere near power for like 40 50 years yeah they'd

01:22:02.000 have to start tweeting some really racist things for me to forgive them um furious dan says i wonder if mr

01:22:07.560 star will recognize a british state uh or more controversially an english state lol um omar says

01:22:13.540 the muslims think think it's ethical to engage into kia to bring about islamic rule and jews

01:22:18.120 think erecting string around entire cities to fool god is an acceptable bending of the rules yeah i

01:22:23.320 don't understand the middle east at all man it's mad like genuinely mad and you know i'm not even trying

01:22:30.080 to be prejudicial i'm just like okay it is yeah when when you understand it you sort of change your

01:22:36.280 mind about a lot of things yeah yeah kevin says prosperity will help yep with more prosperity

01:22:41.780 they can buy better weapons which is literally what they did with all the aid money and it's like

01:22:48.180 the palestinian authority when it was paying people who killed israelis was using mainly european and

01:22:53.940 american funds yes just to be clear about that i can't i i really have a personal distaste for like

01:22:59.980 palestinian men as well right because i can't help but notice they're mostly fat i'm not even joking

01:23:05.440 they're like oh look at look at my starving child it's like you're fat yeah how are you fat

01:23:09.380 how are you fat it's because you're eating all food you're fat sorry it just annoys me that is how

01:23:15.380 calories work so i know right and so you know the visual aesthetic here it's like yeah no that checks

01:23:21.720 out it's difficult one is thin one's fat go through the videos and they're like yeah look at my starving

01:23:27.120 child says this fat guy and i'm like if my children were starving i would lose a lot of weight you know

01:23:32.200 what i mean like i would lose a lot of weight if my children were starving and those guys they're

01:23:36.520 not uh ewan says can't understand why can't the left understand that non-westerners don't have a

01:23:41.800 family life like we do um well yeah everywhere's different and for some reason they don't have any

01:23:48.300 conception of that tim says good morning gentlemen just woken up here it's time for breakfast and i'll

01:23:52.920 watch the show quick question for us on israel any chance you can ask natasha house dorf to come on

01:23:59.000 real politic uh you can have a great discussion about the situation in the middle east i'll reach

01:24:03.920 out i don't know who she is frankly neither do i all right i'm sure she's good if she's been

01:24:10.280 recognized recommended by one of our exactly yes um jimbo says all be forgiven if faraj designates

01:24:16.520 the home office as a terrorist organization at least the muslim network i mean it probably contains a

01:24:22.200 few terrorist organizations yeah so that'd be so funny man that's the sort of thing trump would do

01:24:33.880 trump would do uh sophie says you know the thing about faraj is that he is narcissistic attention

01:24:38.820 seeking posers who yearns for the love of the masses uh but uh he is a narcissistic attention

01:24:45.200 seeking poser who's salivating for that big restoring with march to praise his name to get that

01:24:49.840 love by changing the narrative you can absolutely manipulate this man to suit your agenda yeah that's

01:24:53.960 exactly the point that's true yeah just wants to be loved in many in the same way as trump in many

01:24:58.280 ways um if only he was a little more strong a bit more of a spine like nigel should literally be out

01:25:05.200 there every day being like i'm gonna put gunboats in the channel the boat's the fact that he managed

01:25:10.020 to deliver brexit yeah which wouldn't have happened without him shows a degree of strength

01:25:14.620 but he is so infused with liberal ideas that purging himself of that madness is a long and

01:25:22.660 difficult personal journey for him yeah and he's really afraid of the media he's afraid of the media

01:25:27.560 because if the if he gets on their wrong side before his victory they can in fact sideline him

01:25:34.800 permanently but he should be sidelining the media these these days he's too big he should be

01:25:39.900 sidelining the media media is not needed in this day and age it's just not he's too old for that no

01:25:45.180 no no but you just to be he'll have young advisors this is the point yes yes you're right about the

01:25:49.600 media for smaller politicians but nigel frosh has a 99.5 percent name recognition yes he's more

01:25:56.980 famous than keir starmer he doesn't doesn't need him yeah exactly he he's grown beyond it and he

01:26:01.540 doesn't understand yeah he i don't know what happened to his courage yeah well david armes probably

01:26:07.540 martin says good luck to the uk police fight even finding all these illegals perhaps if they ask the

01:26:14.580 imams very nicely they might be allowed into the islamic communities to remove their own doubt it

01:26:18.200 we don't have ice well promising to make ice with bdo yeah yeah yeah all right the bdo all i'm saying

01:26:27.860 we've got the manpower whenever you need it all right but that's the point right he could be he could

01:26:35.060 be making quite bombastic promises like you could make tom homan a citizen and sort of bring him back

01:26:39.340 bring him bring back to tom homan your chief advisor yeah so you know what do you need to do

01:26:44.140 just get rid of him yeah you know just get him out any means necessary just do it and but he could

01:26:48.380 be promising yeah we're going to have the formation of the bdl who's going to go into these communities

01:26:51.680 deport the illegals cut off all the money gunboats in the channel borders sealed for 30 years or

01:26:56.900 something right like no one's coming in or out deal with it you know like you could have that

01:27:00.840 like just these bombastic ridiculous sounding things but all the media would go nigel farage

01:27:06.340 is going to deport everyone down to the fifth generation and everyone would be like nigel

01:27:09.960 farage is going to deport everyone down to the fifth generation everyone loves it great yeah

01:27:13.080 exactly yeah he the the message would get out and everyone would love it to what would happen to

01:27:17.540 imagine what would happen to house prices yeah i know right just take five minutes to think about

01:27:21.320 two minutes two seconds yeah think about what happens to nhs waiting lists what happens to home

01:27:26.300 home prices what happens to public safety yeah what happens to crime data what happens to

01:27:31.260 and 60 different things you can think of in five minutes that would actually improve migrant

01:27:36.320 communities would hear this mill up right okay they're they're done with i'm going yeah exactly

01:27:39.760 i've had enough they would self-expel exactly they've had enough of us they're going to cut off the

01:27:43.600 money it's just gonna be really difficult i'm just gonna go home and millions would just willingly

01:27:47.500 leave if nigel just came out and was just a bit more hard line but uh anyway ed milliband harnessing

01:27:53.460 enoch spinning grave says great name um things are so bad that some romanians i know good ones

01:28:00.500 find it easier just to fly back than to be treated in the nhs here the french people i know do the

01:28:05.300 same thing yeah they go to no doubt no doubt the germans i know go to germany yeah man of kent says

01:28:11.080 the changing attitude in reform is a clear sign that one restore is working and two the protests are

01:28:16.060 working also so keep going exactly we have got to create the environment in which they live

01:28:20.840 and essentially make it unpalatable as you were saying for them to be anything less than hard

01:28:26.480 line on immigration and the british public really has had enough as well i mean it's just

01:28:30.980 you know decades and decades of surveys and voting for manifestos that like oh yeah we're gonna

01:28:36.920 get it done to ten thousands but no no no no we're not asking for that anymore people want millions

01:28:40.880 gone yeah exactly millions of them have to go we don't want thousands coming in a reduction's good

01:28:45.380 enough it has to be millions going anyway uh chronicle says uh he said he won't revoke british

01:28:51.020 citizenship and by 2029 all of those he's referring to uh tackling will be protected isn't there a

01:28:56.940 contradiction there did he say he wouldn't revoke british citizenship well he said you have to

01:29:00.080 reapply for you can definitely remain retro yeah yeah yeah yeah exactly you can make him say

01:29:06.760 anything that he didn't commit to we're we're still here we're not going anywhere and in a year's

01:29:12.740 time we're going to just change the system uh change the the discourse so it'll seem ridiculous

01:29:18.600 for nigel fras to be like oh yeah no we wouldn't do that no he will we're gonna make him do it i

01:29:23.080 think it was um it wasn't starky it was someone else making the argument that the citizenship law

01:29:27.240 of 1982 could be mildly amended to clarify what it means to be able to revoke citizenship in the

01:29:33.920 national interest and if that were correctly amended then the ability to revoke citizenship would

01:29:42.600 be huge and i speak as someone who would be at risk fine yeah but you're a net taxpayer like i

01:29:48.460 have it for most years last year wasn't great but you know what but the point is you're not like

01:29:53.100 taking loads of money out of the system right so that's and that's the easiest way i don't live on

01:29:58.080 benefits i don't live on anybody's handouts i don't live on charity but i'm a proud man please

01:30:02.300 god don't put me in that position sure but you know this is the easiest thing to do you just be like

01:30:06.280 okay well who's paying but who's paying taxes they can stay if you've never you know you've never

01:30:10.620 been a net contributor to the system you're gone that is what richard ty said reform will scrap

01:30:14.840 indefinitely to remain scheme retrospectively you have to reapply so unless i'm misunderstanding

01:30:19.780 oh i mean he could be more clear couldn't he but the point is hold them to it and force them into

01:30:24.160 this position yeah but we are out of time nate where can people find more from you uh mistake reviews

01:30:28.780 on twitter and youtube as well as the state of politics which is a channel i run with both

01:30:34.740 thanks for joining us folks we'll see you tomorrow thank you

The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - September 22, 2025

The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1257

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