The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1261

00:00:00.640 Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen. Welcome to the podcast of the Lotus Eaters for Friday the 26th of September 2025.

00:00:07.160 I'm joined by Nick and Bo, and today we're getting absolutely crushed by the Starmer government because he's bringing in digital ID, and it's all going to hell.

00:00:15.760 We're also going to be talking about how Starmer's finished, how this is the last gasp of Starmer's regime, and how James Comey is probably going to go to jail.

00:00:26.740 Something's actually going to happen.

00:00:27.820 Fingers crossed. Something always happens.

00:00:31.820 Well, I mean, apparently a lot of stuff is happening today.

00:00:34.640 I mean, you know, so unfortunately nothing ever happens, bros. We're on life support at this point.

00:00:40.720 But before we begin, go get your copy of Islander. It is on sale for the rest of this week, and that's it.

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00:00:53.680 And the answer is no. It's here until it's not here, and then it's never coming back.

00:00:57.680 You'll have to go to eBay where it costs like £400 for a bloody X copy.

00:01:01.420 So get it now while you can.

00:01:03.680 And if you are a Gold Tier subscriber on the website, myself and Luca are doing the Gold Tier Zoom call this afternoon.

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00:01:14.000 So let's begin.

00:01:15.940 Kirstarmer has announced that they're going to bring in digital IDs, so you will not be able to work or do various other things without having a digital ID.

00:01:25.080 Now, this is pretty mad, to be honest.

00:01:27.880 And I'm going to read from this is a live page that the BBC have had.

00:01:30.840 So it's probably updated since I made the notes, so I'm just going to read from my notes.

00:01:35.120 But they say the government's digital ID scheme will enable digital checks on people's right to work and live in the UK.

00:01:41.440 So they are going to have to have a centralized database with information about everyone in the country to hand at all times.

00:01:50.760 And it's going to be able to be checked at will by whoever is intending to access it.

00:01:57.280 They say, under the plans, anyone starting a new job or looking to rent a home would need to show the card on a smartphone app.

00:02:05.480 So you have to have a smartphone to just live in the UK now.

00:02:08.680 It becomes a mandatory piece of equipment.

00:02:10.760 Starmer phone.

00:02:11.660 They'll have a special phone.

00:02:12.920 Well, they're going to have to.

00:02:14.020 It's like, sorry, am I getting a government-issued one then, am I?

00:02:17.140 Which is going to be terrible, but anyway.

00:02:18.700 Well, if you just claim you've still got, like, a Nokia 3210.

00:02:21.660 Then you can't live or work in the UK.

00:02:22.800 Then you can't, okay.

00:02:24.300 Apparently, according to the BBC.

00:02:25.560 And this would then be checked against a central database of people entitled to live and work in the UK.

00:02:31.280 So it is actually the sort of final form of the full-on technocracy that they've been trying to create in this country since about 1997, in fact.

00:02:39.900 There is an obvious loophole, isn't there?

00:02:43.600 People that are already engaged in being here and living here and working here illegally will still just do so.

00:02:49.920 If they're getting paid cash in hand, then they'll still just keep doing that?

00:02:54.260 They'll have to live with someone who can stay here illegally.

00:02:58.340 Well, but their landlord is a dodgy geezer who lets them pay rent to him directly.

00:03:03.540 And there's going to be plenty of that, yeah.

00:03:04.400 Right.

00:03:05.580 Billions of people doing that.

00:03:07.040 It is a scheme that's only going to affect those people who comply with it, basically.

00:03:12.260 Yeah, because Tice was saying, wasn't he on Question Time, Richard Tice, that national insurance should already do this.

00:03:16.580 Yes.

00:03:16.820 But it doesn't, needing a national insurance number, but people don't.

00:03:22.100 Yes.

00:03:22.400 Right, exactly.

00:03:23.160 And so it's going to affect those law-abiding people who actually will comply with the system,

00:03:27.000 and those people who don't will just find ways around it.

00:03:29.380 So yet again, it is the law-abiding people being tyrannized, whereas the criminals will just carry on as they are in the dark economy.

00:03:38.540 It's called a narco-tyranny, folks.

00:03:40.260 Is it?

00:03:40.780 I've never heard that before.

00:03:41.680 Yeah, I have to say it every time on anything.

00:03:44.420 It's the classic thing.

00:03:45.200 The thing that springs to my mind is someone goes to court.

00:03:47.340 You get some Albanian or something who's done something illegal.

00:03:51.080 They go to court.

00:03:51.660 They go through the process.

00:03:52.840 They get an electronic tag attached to their ankle.

00:03:56.500 They come out of the court and cut the tag off.

00:03:58.680 Yeah.

00:03:58.840 And that's it.

00:03:59.700 And that's the end of the story, as far as they're concerned.

00:04:01.460 They go back into the dark realms, living and working illegally, and don't care.

00:04:07.360 And we have millions of people living and working illegally in this country.

00:04:11.160 So they list a series of countries.

00:04:13.640 Which countries use digital IDs?

00:04:15.860 Don't you want to be like Singapore, the UAE, China, South Korea, or Afghanistan?

00:04:21.240 It's like, not really.

00:04:23.080 Well, it's the old thing.

00:04:24.140 If we had Singapore's cleanliness and safety, or economy, but we never will always be the crap version without that.

00:04:31.260 The chewing gum thing, they hang you if you leave chewing gum on the street.

00:04:35.820 We never get that version.

00:04:36.900 We always just get all the bad parts.

00:04:38.120 Do you not want the same sort of social credit system that China has?

00:04:41.640 Not really, because I don't want a drone circling my house saying, give up your thirst for freedom.

00:04:46.720 Which actually happened.

00:04:47.920 That was actually a real example, by the way.

00:04:50.400 Yeah.

00:04:50.700 Give up your thirst for freedom.

00:04:52.200 It's got Starmer.

00:04:52.920 Or you live on the 10th floor and they send a drone up to hover just outside your balcony.

00:04:58.920 I've seen that.

00:04:59.760 Yeah.

00:04:59.960 Literally done that.

00:05:00.420 And that's literally what they're saying.

00:05:01.540 All costs of the law.

00:05:02.360 Ah, it's the Starmer drone.

00:05:03.220 But this is genuinely where it's looking like that we're going.

00:05:08.440 And so Dan pointed out, look, we use a lot of digital services, but these are all one-to-one relationships that you control.

00:05:14.600 And that's totally true.

00:05:15.380 I mean, think about like, even the old world sort of services.

00:05:18.740 Like, okay, do you want to get a driving license?

00:05:20.740 Well, you have to pay to get the driving license.

00:05:22.380 Take the test.

00:05:23.260 Pass the test.

00:05:23.860 And then you have it.

00:05:24.900 You know?

00:05:26.120 Do you want a passport?

00:05:26.940 You have to go and apply to the passport office, send in your details, and then they'll send you a passport.

00:05:30.940 These are all voluntary.

00:05:31.800 You can actually live in the country without a driving license or a passport if you want.

00:05:35.920 For all of the faults of modern Britain, we are still not a papers-pleased society.

00:05:40.980 And that's what this is going to turn us into.

00:05:42.900 But it's going to turn us into the most extreme version of it.

00:05:46.360 And of course, every service will demand a link to your digital ID.

00:05:50.740 And why would they not?

00:05:51.900 And the government will have a nexus that can flag you as a suspect, restrict you, and just ban you.

00:05:55.160 And the Bank of England want to bring in a digital pound currency.

00:06:01.120 So the currency you're using carries metadata.

00:06:04.620 And so they can track where it's spent, who it's spent by, what it's spent on, and where it goes after that.

00:06:09.360 And so they could literally just intercede in your payments.

00:06:13.020 So they can shut you completely out of the economy.

00:06:15.580 They can track you, honestly, anywhere you go.

00:06:17.880 And this will be the law of this country.

00:06:21.100 It will be mandatory.

00:06:21.780 It's so much easier than sending police to your house at night for a tweet.

00:06:25.160 You do a bad tweet.

00:06:26.020 You just, bank account's frozen for a day, two days, whatever they decide.

00:06:29.400 And even if your bank account's not frozen, you just can't buy anything.

00:06:32.360 Yeah.

00:06:33.200 Certain services don't work, like an Uber or whatever.

00:06:36.360 Versus of this already happened.

00:06:37.460 You know, Frento's bank account's frozen.

00:06:40.560 Trudeau did it to the truckers.

00:06:43.260 And I was saying to you before, you buy your stake.

00:06:45.120 He's like, you've had your stake for the month.

00:06:46.820 The card tells you, you know, that's your monthly stake.

00:06:49.100 I love that he's saying this in Peter Starman's voice.

00:06:51.140 That's so good.

00:06:52.320 But this is the crux of it, though, for me, I think, because that really, because if it was just, we just want another form of ID.

00:06:58.900 And people like us say, well, we've already got a birth certificate, a national insurance number and a passport, a digital passport.

00:07:03.740 We don't need it, but okay, if it means I go to prison, if I don't do it, I'll just do it.

00:07:09.580 Okay.

00:07:10.260 Another card you want me to have.

00:07:11.640 Okay.

00:07:12.240 But Dan gets to the crux of it because it's not just that.

00:07:15.740 It's not that they just want you to have another card.

00:07:17.860 No, no, no.

00:07:18.480 It will be a type of full control.

00:07:21.440 Total government control over every aspect of society.

00:07:24.440 That's what this is.

00:07:25.460 If you fall foul of the party in any way, in any way, if you do a tweet they don't like.

00:07:31.200 Oh, yeah.

00:07:31.520 Then suddenly you can't buy anything or you're not allowed into certain places in your smart city anymore.

00:07:39.020 Suddenly you can't pay your rent.

00:07:40.600 And post-COVID, all this is completely possible.

00:07:43.280 Like pre-COVID, somebody might have said, oh, you're being silly.

00:07:45.540 But post-COVID, it's like nothing is silly because you arrested people for walking along a beach alone or being on a park bench.

00:07:51.280 You locked us down in our houses.

00:07:52.900 Yeah.

00:07:53.260 You said my job couldn't be done anymore.

00:07:55.360 It's like, yeah, sorry, you're in your house now.

00:07:57.080 You can go out once a day to be walked like a dog.

00:07:59.120 It's like we saw there was nothing too absurd for them during COVID.

00:08:03.000 So, of course, they'll do all that.

00:08:04.440 It will be, you do a tweet we don't like.

00:08:06.500 You are now under house arrest indefinitely.

00:08:08.500 Right.

00:08:08.780 Yeah.

00:08:08.980 It will be that quite quickly.

00:08:10.860 You're in your house and you're eating bugs for a week.

00:08:13.620 And that's if you're lucky.

00:08:14.880 Yeah.

00:08:15.220 Yeah.

00:08:15.780 And so, yeah, this is obviously, genuinely, this is basically the worst possible scenario.

00:08:21.560 Which is why Starmer came out and proudly was like, yeah, I'm doing this because this is a great idea.

00:08:27.820 Let's watch him announce it, shall we?

00:08:29.480 And that is why today I am announcing this government will make a new free of charge digital ID mandatory for the right to work by the end of this parliament.

00:08:43.680 Let me spell that out.

00:08:45.260 You will not be able to work in the United Kingdom if you do not have digital ID.

00:08:51.680 It's as simple as that.

00:08:53.860 What an absolute tyrant.

00:08:54.760 Because decent, pragmatic, fair-minded people, they want us to tackle the issues that they see around them.

00:09:02.940 And of course, the truth is, we won't solve our problems if we don't also take on the root causes.

00:09:10.520 Looking upstream to tackle poverty, conflict, climate change.

00:09:16.560 Issues that aren't just intolerable for those of us who care about inequality and injustice wherever it's found in the world.

00:09:26.840 There's a few red flags.

00:09:28.160 One is the fact that it's free.

00:09:29.680 Do you remember the free burgers for getting the vaccine?

00:09:31.540 Yeah.

00:09:32.300 The other is he's talking about climate change already.

00:09:34.420 Like, sorry, what?

00:09:35.160 And he's already tying it to climate change.

00:09:36.980 Your carbon footprint means you can't buy that steak.

00:09:39.460 Yeah.

00:09:39.800 Is what he's going to go to.

00:09:40.860 Yeah.

00:09:41.120 And the other is just, as you say, the absolute tyranny of it.

00:09:43.560 But the fact that he's so confidently, you will do this, this will happen, just like with the Southport riots.

00:09:48.980 You will go to jail.

00:09:49.880 We will get you.

00:09:50.500 It's like, right, you are just a tyrannical technocrat.

00:09:53.480 Understood.

00:09:54.300 Who made you the autocrat of Britain?

00:09:56.860 Yeah, you don't have a mandate for this, by the way.

00:09:58.340 No, not at all.

00:09:58.980 Like, Labour have won this election with the smallest percentage of votes that Labour have ever won an election on.

00:10:05.220 And so there is no mandate for this.

00:10:06.900 And everyone, everyone can tell.

00:10:08.800 And he's doing that Blair trick, of course.

00:10:10.720 Decent, pragmatic, fair-minded people.

00:10:12.540 So anyone who's fair-minded, of course, anyone would want this.

00:10:15.220 Why wouldn't you want the government having access to all of it?

00:10:17.820 But if I'm not, if I'm not that pragmatic.

00:10:19.640 And it also opens up the question of what happens when something goes wrong.

00:10:24.120 So, I mean, you have a database of everyone's information in the entire country.

00:10:28.980 Well, it's not like cybercrime isn't the thing.

00:10:32.620 It's not like these databases can't be hacked.

00:10:34.920 You know, oh, great.

00:10:35.440 So someone in China or wherever, or India or wherever it is, can just hack this database and get absolutely everyone's details.

00:10:41.120 Yeah.

00:10:41.540 And I remember the other thing I was going to say.

00:10:43.620 It's an answer to a question we didn't ask.

00:10:45.460 So it was like, can you stop the votes?

00:10:47.040 Here's your digital ID.

00:10:48.340 That's not what I said.

00:10:49.120 I said, can we stop some dinghies?

00:10:50.520 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:10:50.960 Yes, you'll need a digital ID.

00:10:52.200 I think we'll just need, like, the Navy in 10 minutes.

00:10:54.680 It's like, or we need to get out of the ECHR.

00:10:56.720 One gunboat would do it.

00:10:57.800 Yeah, but, yeah, it's like, no, no, digital ID.

00:11:00.120 And it just reminded me of when Sir David Ames was murdered by Islamist Nutter.

00:11:03.960 It's like, oh, yeah, Online Safety Act.

00:11:06.220 What?

00:11:06.740 It's like, no, no, I think it was the Islamist.

00:11:08.640 No, no, we need to regulate online speech.

00:11:10.600 Like, I'm sorry.

00:11:11.360 This is a classic technocratic managerial progressive bollocks.

00:11:14.460 He's got the cheek to talk about justice.

00:11:16.720 Yes.

00:11:17.140 And injustice.

00:11:18.160 Yes.

00:11:18.960 Because what he's creating here is a prison without walls.

00:11:22.120 He can turn the entire country into a prison for any person at any time with a flick of a switch.

00:11:26.820 Your phone becomes the jailer.

00:11:28.660 Yes.

00:11:29.500 And what about someone just steals your phone?

00:11:31.480 It's not like there's not hundreds of thousands of phones stolen every year.

00:11:34.420 In London.

00:11:35.440 Yeah.

00:11:36.100 Alone.

00:11:36.560 Until you're able to deactivate that.

00:11:38.200 Someone's just you now.

00:11:39.360 Yeah.

00:11:39.660 And they've got your complete identity.

00:11:41.640 And the thing is, because they'll say, well, look, it's tied to his digital ID.

00:11:44.640 Okay, well, then why would I need any other checks, right?

00:11:47.540 So if someone steals your phone, yeah, I can buy a car.

00:11:49.560 I can get a loan for a house.

00:11:50.800 I can get a mortgage.

00:11:52.080 I can just do all this because why would I not be able to do that?

00:11:55.840 Like, that's the way they're selling this is convenience.

00:11:59.100 This is going to speed up a bunch of things.

00:12:00.480 So this whole thing, like I said, is creating a prison without walls for everyone in the country, which I think is an absolutely atrocious thing.

00:12:08.920 And Starmer's announcing it like it's inevitable, like it's a good thing, and like he's going to mercilessly impose this on us.

00:12:16.500 And so you've got, like, things from, like, this just Sky News thing.

00:12:21.200 You haven't seen V for Vendetta, but this just sounds exactly like a V for Vendetta clip.

00:12:28.520 Breaking news now.

00:12:30.000 Digital ID will be made law for all adults in an effort to tackle small boats.

00:12:35.000 Downing Street believes that a mandatory ID card system will help stop illegal immigrants working.

00:12:41.080 Let's bring in our political correspondence.

00:12:42.580 I mean, the tone and the delivery just sound, and the ridiculousness.

00:12:46.500 And the oppressive nature of it.

00:12:48.240 Doesn't that just sound like one of the broadcasts from V for Vendetta?

00:12:50.640 I love that nonsense, to stop the small boats.

00:12:53.520 Your sentence doesn't even make sense.

00:12:55.160 And we know it won't do that.

00:12:56.620 Yeah, we could just deport illegals and stop the boats using the Navy,

00:13:01.540 or we can have a digital ID that turns this entire country into an open-air prison.

00:13:05.100 You could make it illegal to come here on a small boat and put you straight in prison.

00:13:07.860 You'd do that in 10 minutes.

00:13:08.700 Yeah, you could just make it happen.

00:13:10.320 And the small boat people won't abide by it anyway.

00:13:13.280 Exactly.

00:13:13.460 That's the whole point of them, is that they tend to avoid these kind of things.

00:13:17.000 And you give them a bunch of free money anyway.

00:13:19.100 We all know that it's a complete lie, that it's about small boats and immigration.

00:13:22.440 If you remember back in the COVID era, they were saying that we need ID.

00:13:26.580 Blair was saying we need ID cards because of COVID vaccine.

00:13:29.960 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:13:30.440 So now you've moved the goalposts to something completely different.

00:13:32.780 We remember four years ago.

00:13:35.300 He's only been saying it since the 90s, so we remember every time.

00:13:38.180 We'll get into the history of this in a minute.

00:13:39.940 So Lisa and Andy went on BBC Breakfast, and she explained, well, you know,

00:13:44.440 what happens if people just don't do it?

00:13:46.820 All UK citizens will have to have one.

00:13:49.580 The plan is that we're going to roll this out by the end of Parliament.

00:13:52.480 No, no, my question is what if I don't?

00:13:54.280 What if I've got my job, so I don't need to show this to anyone,

00:13:58.320 so what if I just don't do it?

00:14:00.060 So if you don't have one, then you'll have a problem if you want to get a new job.

00:14:05.380 No, I'm saying I'm not doing that.

00:14:06.680 So I'm not seeking a job, so why should I get the digital ID card?

00:14:11.900 Why do I do it?

00:14:13.860 Is there some find for not doing it?

00:14:17.320 Is there an incentive to do it?

00:14:19.800 I'm just thinking I've got no reason to do it.

00:14:21.620 Yeah, look, this isn't a heavy-handed approach.

00:14:24.380 We're not planning to go around finding people.

00:14:26.320 I don't know.

00:14:26.780 But what we are going to do is make sure that everybody's got one.

00:14:29.400 In the same way, Charlie, as you've got a national insurance number,

00:14:32.600 if you're a citizen of this country,

00:14:34.860 we'll make sure that everybody has a digital ID.

00:14:38.120 So help me with this.

00:14:39.000 I know we're plotting through this, but...

00:14:40.420 Yeah.

00:14:40.520 So everyone watching who's got a job has got a national insurance number.

00:14:45.080 So when these digital ID cards exist,

00:14:49.940 if I just go to my employer and show them my national insurance number,

00:14:56.100 is that not sufficient?

00:14:57.920 Are they being precluded from employing me?

00:15:01.620 It won't be sufficient.

00:15:03.100 I just want to be really clear about that.

00:15:04.560 So they can't employ people unless they've seen one of these digital cards?

00:15:08.520 A digital ID.

00:15:09.620 Yes, that's right.

00:15:10.520 That is the plan.

00:15:11.900 And the major benefit of that to the entirety of the UK

00:15:15.700 is that we will therefore be able to disrupt the illegal market

00:15:20.140 where people come to this country and work illegally

00:15:22.880 and undercut British workers who could otherwise get those jobs.

00:15:26.580 Well, a national insurance number would have the same effect

00:15:28.420 because if you're illegal, you can't have one of those.

00:15:30.260 Well, the problem with national insurance numbers

00:15:31.880 is that they're not linked to anything else.

00:15:33.660 So they're not linked, for example, to photo ID.

00:15:35.540 So you can't verify that the person in front of you

00:15:38.580 is actually the person whose national insurance number that you're looking at.

00:15:42.220 And we've seen a real rise in the amount of identity theft

00:15:45.500 and people losing documents and then finding that their identity has been stolen.

00:15:49.560 And we think this can have really big knock-on effects for the whole of the UK population.

00:15:54.240 Right.

00:15:54.440 So you can see there, it's interesting.

00:15:57.120 We're not going to fine you.

00:15:58.820 We're going to lock you out of society.

00:16:01.240 We don't need to fine you

00:16:02.820 because you're not going to have any money by the end of this.

00:16:05.860 You won't be able to get a job.

00:16:07.240 You won't be able to get a house.

00:16:08.500 If you don't comply, you'll have nothing.

00:16:10.620 But I think it's really interesting that she says,

00:16:12.580 oh no, we're going to have this by the end of this parliament.

00:16:15.280 Why is it so definite?

00:16:17.840 Well, it's because you know you're going to lose.

00:16:19.400 You know you're never getting in again.

00:16:21.820 And you expect the next administration of this country

00:16:24.600 to just carry on with this thing.

00:16:26.940 Now, the next administration is going to be Nigel Farage.

00:16:29.700 Things carry on.

00:16:30.560 So why doesn't he just can it day one?

00:16:32.240 Which he absolutely can do.

00:16:33.600 Which makes this a very strange hail-nail.

00:16:36.060 I mean, Cameron did it to Blair.

00:16:38.280 Absolutely, he did a few times.

00:16:38.960 So with this policy, as far as I know,

00:16:41.480 so you can just stop it and that'll be the first,

00:16:43.820 it'll be a very popular, obvious reform policy.

00:16:45.960 Yeah.

00:16:46.560 And Farage will.

00:16:47.940 He's already declared that he will.

00:16:49.740 And it would be very strange for a government not to do that.

00:16:52.700 So why are they doing this very desperate Hail Mary?

00:16:56.360 Which is absolutely not going to make them more popular.

00:16:59.440 Now, I've heard on the grapevine

00:17:01.400 that basically the point of this

00:17:03.220 is to avert Keir Starmer being challenged by Andy Burnham,

00:17:09.800 which we're going to talk about in a minute.

00:17:11.100 They're all linked. That's linked.

00:17:12.380 Yes, because what the purpose of this is

00:17:15.260 is to bring in the Blair Foundation network.

00:17:19.360 So Tony Blair, his foundation,

00:17:21.340 and the network that he's connected to,

00:17:22.860 which is a vast and powerful network,

00:17:24.720 is now suddenly 100% on Starmer's side

00:17:26.800 because Tony Blair has been banging this drum for a long time.

00:17:29.160 And you might say,

00:17:29.740 well, how do you know this is coming from the Tony Blair institution?

00:17:33.220 How do you know that this is Tony Blair's?

00:17:35.060 Well, I can show you the linkage, actually.

00:17:37.040 So here is Labour Together.

00:17:39.140 This is, as they tell us,

00:17:41.800 in Labour's wilderness years,

00:17:43.100 Labour Together was founded by a group of MPs

00:17:44.640 fighting to make the party electable again.

00:17:46.480 Today, it's a think tank offering bold ideas

00:17:48.460 for Britain under a Labour government.

00:17:50.580 And so we can have a look at some of the things they've done.

00:17:53.900 Sorry, I just need to go back to the top of this

00:17:55.400 just so you can see it

00:17:56.260 because I want everyone to see it properly.

00:17:57.920 Right, so you've got the Brit card,

00:18:00.040 a progressive digital identity for Britain.

00:18:02.580 As you can see, this is from Labour Together at the side,

00:18:05.380 and it's written by Kirstie Inns,

00:18:08.340 Morgan Wilde, and Lauren Boxall.

00:18:10.560 Shall we just have a quick search

00:18:11.720 for Tony Blair Institute in this?

00:18:14.740 To bridge the gap between the current arrangements

00:18:16.500 and the fully functioning digital identity ecosystems

00:18:18.680 like organizations like the Tony Blair Institute

00:18:20.640 have recommended the government should identify

00:18:22.840 one or two significant use cases

00:18:24.620 that are politically significant and potential to be

00:18:26.860 blah, blah, blah, to bring into everything.

00:18:28.820 So it's called the Brit card

00:18:30.060 because they've called it the Brit card

00:18:31.800 and they are literally appealing

00:18:34.380 to the Tony Blair project.

00:18:37.840 I think you've got Kirstie Inns

00:18:39.400 is the Director of Technology at Labour Together,

00:18:42.000 but as you can see, in 2019,

00:18:44.500 she joined the Tony Blair Institute.

00:18:47.500 Such a Tony Blair name as well, isn't it?

00:18:49.260 Brit card.

00:18:49.980 Yes.

00:18:50.640 Brit pop, cool Britannium.

00:18:52.260 Here is the Tony Blair Institute website

00:18:54.040 with her as the Director of Public Services Policy.

00:18:57.480 So she is not only the Director

00:18:59.460 of Public Services Policy there,

00:19:00.740 she's the Director of Technology at Labour Together,

00:19:03.120 and suddenly you can see the precise linkage

00:19:05.700 of how this comes together.

00:19:07.680 This is Tony Blair's network,

00:19:09.420 his entire, like, NGO complex

00:19:12.640 getting behind Starmer

00:19:14.320 because he's been desperate for this for a long time.

00:19:16.400 Let me explain how he's been desperate for it

00:19:17.880 for a long time.

00:19:18.680 You can go back to, say, 2006,

00:19:20.740 in which Tony Blair was arguing,

00:19:22.340 yes, no, we absolutely should have digital ID cards,

00:19:25.820 and probably before that,

00:19:26.900 but this is the first, like, significant one,

00:19:28.700 from when he was in government, by the way,

00:19:31.240 and there was a lot of pushback on that,

00:19:33.200 and Tony Blair didn't care.

00:19:34.820 He was just like,

00:19:35.400 I don't care about the civil rights argument

00:19:36.640 against ID cards.

00:19:37.880 In fact, to give you his exact quote,

00:19:40.700 he said that the scheme should go ahead

00:19:43.200 as a question of modernity,

00:19:45.660 not civil liberties.

00:19:46.700 I love that.

00:19:47.480 It's a simple question of modernity.

00:19:49.180 There's a classic Blair framing.

00:19:50.720 It is.

00:19:51.000 Yes, pragmatism.

00:19:51.780 Any decent, pragmatic, modern person.

00:19:54.800 Exactly.

00:19:55.340 Who could possibly be against?

00:19:56.380 And the argument that it's inevitable.

00:19:58.000 This is going to happen.

00:19:59.280 This is in the future,

00:20:00.940 so get on board.

00:20:01.920 Yeah.

00:20:02.300 You're the home of civil liberties

00:20:03.540 with a long, rich tradition of hundreds of years.

00:20:05.440 No, no, no.

00:20:06.320 That's gone.

00:20:07.060 Yeah, we're modern now.

00:20:08.440 I mean, he literally says,

00:20:10.440 quote,

00:20:10.900 the civil liberties argument

00:20:12.080 doesn't carry much weight.

00:20:13.960 He's like,

00:20:14.380 okay, bro.

00:20:15.400 What's your argument against it?

00:20:16.700 Saying it's rubbish.

00:20:17.820 Yeah.

00:20:18.560 I think you'll find the argument carries no weight.

00:20:20.280 Good day, sir.

00:20:21.440 What?

00:20:21.760 Where's your argument?

00:20:22.740 No, I don't need one.

00:20:23.800 I'm Blair.

00:20:25.020 Unironically.

00:20:25.900 And so you've got him

00:20:27.600 banging this drum for a long time.

00:20:29.000 And then, of course,

00:20:29.540 during the COVID pandemic,

00:20:30.980 he was like,

00:20:31.440 aha,

00:20:32.000 we need health passports

00:20:33.560 so you can travel around the world.

00:20:35.620 And of course,

00:20:36.120 that means you'll need digital passports

00:20:37.800 to show you're vaccinated.

00:20:39.480 Thanks, Tony.

00:20:40.520 And then back in 2023,

00:20:42.100 him and William Hague were like,

00:20:43.440 yeah,

00:20:43.660 you should just all have digital ID cards,

00:20:45.640 by the way.

00:20:46.200 We just need digital ID cards.

00:20:48.180 And it's like,

00:20:48.620 okay,

00:20:48.780 this is a kind of repeated pattern.

00:20:51.540 And then you've got the economic case

00:20:53.220 for a digital ID card

00:20:54.160 from the Tony Blair Institute.

00:20:55.780 And it's like,

00:20:56.180 oh,

00:20:56.320 okay,

00:20:56.820 we've got an economic case for it now.

00:20:58.780 And what about just the disruption

00:21:00.680 that the UK desperately needs?

00:21:02.640 Things are stagnant.

00:21:03.600 This was from last year.

00:21:05.120 Things are stagnant.

00:21:06.080 We just need disruption.

00:21:07.460 And so we desperately need digital ID.

00:21:09.440 So funny.

00:21:09.900 It's about safety and pragmatism,

00:21:12.180 but it's also about disruption.

00:21:13.020 We're not done.

00:21:14.180 Get tough on populism.

00:21:15.700 The populists are rising.

00:21:17.040 You know how to fix that,

00:21:17.940 digital ID.

00:21:18.880 Digital ID.

00:21:19.800 That's the most mask off one yet.

00:21:21.360 Yes, it is.

00:21:22.140 It's like,

00:21:22.400 with the politics we don't like,

00:21:23.620 we can crush it with digital ID.

00:21:25.320 Yes.

00:21:25.620 We see you turn up

00:21:26.780 at any sort of protest.

00:21:28.000 The cops just stand there

00:21:28.720 with the camera the whole time.

00:21:29.640 That's one of the things they do,

00:21:30.620 if you've ever been to one.

00:21:31.840 Cops just stand there

00:21:32.500 filming the patriotic side.

00:21:34.960 So they've got your face.

00:21:36.420 They're like,

00:21:36.780 we know who you are

00:21:37.700 and you're under house arrest now.

00:21:39.300 You've got no money now.

00:21:40.080 From the Tony Blair Institute,

00:21:41.000 it's just time for digital ID.

00:21:42.100 It's a new consensus

00:21:42.780 for a state that works.

00:21:43.920 Time for it.

00:21:44.500 It's the only way

00:21:45.240 to make the state work.

00:21:46.260 It'll give us enormous benefits,

00:21:48.220 is basically the thing.

00:21:49.600 So you can see

00:21:50.180 how the argument

00:21:50.760 has evolved over time.

00:21:52.280 Literally,

00:21:52.760 whatever the problem is,

00:21:53.680 the solution is digital ID.

00:21:54.920 We just want digital ID.

00:21:56.740 It'll stop the populace.

00:21:57.900 It'll give economic growth.

00:21:59.060 It'll stop the boats.

00:22:00.700 It will do everything.

00:22:01.980 We just need digital ID, bro.

00:22:03.840 Just give me.

00:22:04.380 It's like the ring with Gollum.

00:22:06.400 He's genuinely,

00:22:07.340 this is like Gollum and the ring.

00:22:08.500 No, it just needs it.

00:22:10.500 And it's like,

00:22:10.860 okay, Tony,

00:22:11.500 you're not getting it.

00:22:12.220 And the reason that he needs it

00:22:13.200 is because this is

00:22:14.040 the final crown jewel

00:22:15.420 in the technocratic

00:22:16.220 managerial regime.

00:22:17.560 This is the thing

00:22:18.260 that brings it all together.

00:22:19.820 You've got mass surveillance.

00:22:20.880 You've got constant digital

00:22:22.260 footprint tracking.

00:22:24.180 And then what we need

00:22:24.780 is a database

00:22:25.380 to see exactly who is in.

00:22:27.160 So if you were like,

00:22:28.540 if you were playing

00:22:29.380 the game of civilization,

00:22:30.960 like your SimCity or whatever,

00:22:32.500 and you needed

00:22:33.660 all this information

00:22:34.440 to make everything work properly,

00:22:35.700 this is the final piece

00:22:37.380 of the puzzle.

00:22:37.820 I thought of it

00:22:38.200 as the final stone

00:22:39.560 for Thanos or whatever.

00:22:40.860 Yeah.

00:22:41.220 Yes.

00:22:41.820 It's the final ring.

00:22:42.960 It's whatever.

00:22:43.720 You know what makes it,

00:22:44.920 for me,

00:22:46.220 just sort of clearly,

00:22:47.540 clearly sinister?

00:22:49.040 Yeah.

00:22:49.780 Is that,

00:22:50.720 okay,

00:22:50.980 Tony Blair wanted to push

00:22:52.120 these policies

00:22:52.920 and this scheme

00:22:54.000 and stuff

00:22:54.420 when he was in government.

00:22:55.380 Okay,

00:22:56.220 that's the perk

00:22:56.960 of being in government

00:22:57.860 is you get to try

00:22:58.520 and do what you want.

00:22:59.420 Okay, fine.

00:23:00.180 But when he's out of government...

00:23:02.060 Oh, that's what

00:23:02.620 the Tony Blair Institute is for.

00:23:03.520 Why are you,

00:23:04.140 yeah,

00:23:04.560 so why are you still pushing it?

00:23:06.120 You're already,

00:23:06.740 you've already,

00:23:07.360 you're already a senior statesman.

00:23:08.960 You've already had your time

00:23:09.980 in the limelight in government.

00:23:11.000 You're already a multi,

00:23:11.660 multi-millionaire.

00:23:13.180 But you're still pushing

00:23:14.620 that agenda super hard

00:23:16.060 at every opportunity.

00:23:17.240 Because...

00:23:17.760 Why?

00:23:18.440 Who's that for?

00:23:19.280 No, no,

00:23:19.560 I can answer this.

00:23:20.420 I can answer this.

00:23:21.100 One last thing,

00:23:21.700 I don't believe

00:23:23.520 that Tony Blair

00:23:24.700 just genuinely loves

00:23:25.860 the idea so much,

00:23:27.480 just in and of himself,

00:23:29.200 that he will spend

00:23:30.140 untold time and energy

00:23:31.680 on still pushing it

00:23:32.540 years and years

00:23:33.020 and years later.

00:23:33.820 It's somebody else's agenda

00:23:35.300 at which he is

00:23:37.180 a willing tool.

00:23:38.660 A willing tool.

00:23:39.240 No, no, no, no.

00:23:39.700 It's the global,

00:23:40.840 liberal,

00:23:41.240 international order.

00:23:42.220 So it's not just

00:23:42.860 Tony Blair.

00:23:43.640 It's not just...

00:23:44.220 He's a true believer in it,

00:23:45.200 right?

00:23:45.320 Yeah, I believe that.

00:23:46.160 The point being,

00:23:47.620 to bring about

00:23:48.640 the technocratic

00:23:49.400 liberal order,

00:23:50.840 you need certain

00:23:51.580 things in place.

00:23:52.560 And as we can see,

00:23:54.200 that order is failing.

00:23:56.080 It's currently

00:23:56.680 in the middle of failing.

00:23:57.660 And it's because

00:23:58.280 there are too many

00:23:59.500 civil liberties.

00:24:00.420 It allows the right wing

00:24:01.740 is able to actually

00:24:02.500 organise,

00:24:03.480 they're actually able

00:24:04.140 to coordinate.

00:24:05.180 And so without this,

00:24:06.820 this whole thing collapses.

00:24:08.020 And we saw the speech

00:24:09.460 that Keir Starmer gave,

00:24:10.320 the full speech.

00:24:11.260 I'll do another video

00:24:12.840 or segment or something

00:24:13.560 because it was really

00:24:14.460 fascinating where he was

00:24:15.440 literally saying,

00:24:16.260 people are saying

00:24:16.860 that our politics

00:24:17.600 is failing.

00:24:18.560 Dying.

00:24:19.180 Dying.

00:24:19.860 And he's right.

00:24:21.020 And this is what

00:24:21.720 Tony Blair's urgency

00:24:24.140 is about.

00:24:25.060 They can feel the sand

00:24:26.680 slipping between their fingers.

00:24:28.520 And if we just get this,

00:24:30.000 then we can oppress everyone.

00:24:31.180 We can remake the system

00:24:32.440 in our image.

00:24:34.080 And if we don't get it,

00:24:35.200 then everything that

00:24:36.020 Tony Blair has worked for

00:24:36.860 for his entire adult life

00:24:37.840 has failed.

00:24:38.880 Yeah.

00:24:39.400 It is desperation.

00:24:40.420 It was a massive

00:24:41.020 mask off moment,

00:24:41.780 that thing.

00:24:42.240 They say it's dying.

00:24:43.540 It was like,

00:24:44.020 oh, he's saying

00:24:44.500 the quiet part out loud.

00:24:45.600 He's admitting

00:24:46.340 that they are dying.

00:24:47.840 And it was a similar

00:24:48.640 mask off moment to,

00:24:49.640 I heard Bill Gates

00:24:50.700 about five years ago say,

00:24:51.940 no, there is a serious

00:24:52.980 problem from the nationalism.

00:24:54.500 Like, they're worried

00:24:55.300 about nationalism.

00:24:56.220 They're worried about

00:24:56.680 nationalist movements

00:24:57.560 around the world

00:24:58.440 versus their liberal

00:24:59.660 global order things.

00:25:01.200 And they're just saying it.

00:25:02.400 And note the language

00:25:03.140 about populism,

00:25:04.560 which of course,

00:25:05.040 someone pointed out

00:25:05.460 that populism means

00:25:06.420 democracy and what

00:25:07.680 they want,

00:25:08.280 which they call

00:25:08.620 democracy,

00:25:09.400 means oligarchy.

00:25:10.480 So they mask off

00:25:12.400 not Democrat.

00:25:13.380 Like, Blair's like,

00:25:14.000 not in any way that.

00:25:15.080 He's like,

00:25:15.760 he just wants total

00:25:16.540 top-down control

00:25:17.280 led by Blair,

00:25:18.360 of course.

00:25:19.200 And here's a digital idea

00:25:19.900 and we're against populism,

00:25:20.960 which means what used

00:25:22.420 to have,

00:25:22.820 your democratic,

00:25:23.720 civil liberties,

00:25:24.620 that whole thing.

00:25:25.300 And they're basically

00:25:25.580 saying that's gone

00:25:26.340 and we're going to,

00:25:27.740 and the battle now

00:25:28.300 is between what they

00:25:28.960 call populism

00:25:29.640 and the new thing

00:25:31.120 that they want.

00:25:31.720 But this is the inflection

00:25:32.820 point between the sort

00:25:33.880 of Blairite consensus

00:25:35.400 of the 2000s

00:25:36.640 and whatever the future

00:25:38.820 looks like.

00:25:39.620 This is the inflection point.

00:25:40.720 This is the issue

00:25:41.600 on which they are

00:25:42.620 staking everything.

00:25:44.060 They're going to try

00:25:44.740 and get it done

00:25:45.180 as soon as possible,

00:25:46.640 try and normalize it

00:25:47.520 to everyone

00:25:47.880 so it's just an

00:25:48.520 inevitable part

00:25:49.060 of your lives.

00:25:50.000 And so they can be like,

00:25:51.300 yes,

00:25:51.600 this is the,

00:25:52.540 the entire beginning,

00:25:55.700 the entire fruit

00:25:56.860 of the project

00:25:57.420 is contained

00:25:58.940 within this one thing.

00:26:00.660 Without this,

00:26:01.440 the whole thing fails.

00:26:02.180 Do you think it's also

00:26:02.820 about either competing

00:26:04.120 with or getting in league

00:26:06.300 with China?

00:26:07.060 And they basically said,

00:26:08.180 okay,

00:26:08.520 because these people

00:26:08.980 just love China.

00:26:09.660 Like, oh, China.

00:26:10.360 Well, they recommended

00:26:11.060 China having a word.

00:26:12.240 Right.

00:26:12.480 And they've said

00:26:12.800 they've found a way

00:26:13.440 to do this.

00:26:14.240 Sort of liberalism's over

00:26:16.100 as many people think.

00:26:16.880 You know,

00:26:17.260 basically the free market

00:26:18.600 as we've known it is over.

00:26:19.720 The idea of sort of

00:26:20.400 free market capitalism

00:26:21.320 and so on.

00:26:22.180 And they're looking

00:26:22.660 at these other models

00:26:23.380 and they're going,

00:26:23.840 oh, we like the Chinese model.

00:26:25.020 That's the most successful,

00:26:26.180 which it currently

00:26:26.700 could be said to be.

00:26:27.560 Managerial technocracy.

00:26:28.760 Yeah.

00:26:29.020 And so they're just

00:26:29.520 sort of saying,

00:26:30.500 and if we,

00:26:30.920 yeah,

00:26:31.260 the sinister part is like,

00:26:32.180 if we implement it,

00:26:32.820 they can't get out of it.

00:26:33.820 Yes.

00:26:34.220 No, no,

00:26:34.620 that's exactly the point.

00:26:36.140 They want to create

00:26:36.780 a system,

00:26:37.260 a prism without walls

00:26:38.100 that we cannot escape.

00:26:39.700 And if we let this go through,

00:26:41.120 that's what we'll have.

00:26:42.340 And that is everything

00:26:43.820 that's been driving Tony Black.

00:26:44.880 Because if this fails,

00:26:46.080 his whole project has failed.

00:26:46.980 Because everyone can see

00:26:47.580 it's failing

00:26:48.040 without being properly,

00:26:49.800 fully implemented.

00:26:50.740 What would stop

00:26:51.380 Farage getting rid of it?

00:26:52.200 Or is he banking

00:26:52.840 on people liking it

00:26:53.860 and maybe it does stop

00:26:54.840 some boats or people

00:26:56.120 because people are kind of weird.

00:26:57.220 I don't think

00:26:57.540 they're going to do that.

00:26:59.040 But I think that,

00:27:00.460 honestly,

00:27:00.760 at this point,

00:27:01.140 just kind of desperate.

00:27:02.180 I think it's a Hail Mary.

00:27:03.180 Are they thinking

00:27:03.500 that people will actually

00:27:04.320 like it when it comes in

00:27:05.220 and not want Farage?

00:27:05.960 Or are they thinking

00:27:06.280 that Farage just won't be able

00:27:07.180 to get rid of it

00:27:07.740 when it's in?

00:27:08.300 I think they don't realise

00:27:09.660 that things have gone too far.

00:27:11.400 This needed to be implemented

00:27:12.460 in the early 2000s

00:27:14.240 so the right couldn't organise

00:27:15.880 and grow to the scuss.

00:27:17.100 To be fair,

00:27:17.600 Blair did try.

00:27:18.760 All he knows is,

00:27:19.600 as you said,

00:27:20.000 to keep trying this.

00:27:21.080 He must be taking orders

00:27:21.880 from Satan ultimately

00:27:22.740 because there's no one else.

00:27:23.660 No one else would make you

00:27:24.660 that persistent.

00:27:24.940 This is his life's work.

00:27:26.340 I get that.

00:27:26.940 The idea that he wants

00:27:28.000 to protect his legacy

00:27:28.980 absolutely makes sense.

00:27:30.500 Perfect logical sense.

00:27:31.400 The entire thing will fail

00:27:32.180 and his memory

00:27:32.880 will be condemned to history.

00:27:33.760 Maybe it's just me

00:27:34.560 but I feel like

00:27:35.160 if I was in my 60s,

00:27:36.040 I guess Blair's in his 60s now,

00:27:37.360 he must be.

00:27:38.000 If I was in my 60s

00:27:38.900 and very, very, very rich,

00:27:40.460 he's very, very rich.

00:27:41.280 His son is a multimodal.

00:27:42.360 I'm not doing this for money.

00:27:43.120 That's power.

00:27:44.660 But like, why would you?

00:27:46.380 Is he?

00:27:47.200 Yeah.

00:27:47.380 If I was 72

00:27:48.100 and already had decades

00:27:50.860 in the limelight

00:27:51.560 and was very, very, very rich,

00:27:53.400 I just wouldn't be spending

00:27:54.680 tons of time and energy over...

00:27:56.680 He's got an incomplete plan

00:27:58.340 that he's trying to...

00:27:59.320 It's because he's motivated

00:28:00.180 solely by power

00:28:01.120 and you're not.

00:28:01.960 And he lives that.

00:28:02.500 I mean, look at his book.

00:28:03.180 I haven't actually read all of it yet

00:28:04.060 but I've read bits

00:28:04.860 and it's like,

00:28:05.560 he just lives for power.

00:28:07.080 He's motivated purely by evil.

00:28:09.160 But for the sake of time,

00:28:10.600 I'm afraid we'll carry on.

00:28:11.520 That's all right.

00:28:11.800 So, everyone's against this.

00:28:14.000 When I put this together

00:28:15.300 earlier this morning,

00:28:16.540 this was at 750,000 signatures.

00:28:18.740 It's now nearly a million signatures.

00:28:21.180 This has only been up for a day.

00:28:23.260 Not even a day.

00:28:24.540 So, you can see that

00:28:25.900 just everyone hates this.

00:28:27.540 Nearly a million people

00:28:28.640 have signed this petition

00:28:30.340 and you should go and sign it too.

00:28:32.660 You should go and go and sign the petition

00:28:34.500 against digital ID cards.

00:28:36.020 So, they are at least aware

00:28:37.240 that they are phenomenally outnumbered

00:28:40.180 with who wants the digital ID card

00:28:42.060 because this really is

00:28:43.280 the last piece of the Blairite puzzle.

00:28:45.300 We have to defeat this.

00:28:46.580 And they definitely don't care

00:28:47.760 about the numbers.

00:28:48.320 As I said to you,

00:28:49.000 they ignore the million marching

00:28:50.320 in the Iraq War march,

00:28:51.660 which I was on.

00:28:52.560 They will ignore this

00:28:53.540 but you're saying do it anyway.

00:28:55.640 Oh, yeah.

00:28:55.920 But this is a lot more personal, right?

00:28:57.720 It's like,

00:28:58.500 oh, a million people marched

00:28:59.320 in the Iraq War

00:28:59.820 for abstract reasons

00:29:00.840 that doesn't affect their daily life.

00:29:02.440 This is going to affect your daily life.

00:29:03.940 So, go sign the petitions,

00:29:04.980 go get involved.

00:29:05.540 We have to break this.

00:29:07.180 We have to be the generation

00:29:09.160 that prevents this from coming in

00:29:10.440 because this will be

00:29:11.720 a hellish future

00:29:12.680 that we are condemning

00:29:13.400 our children to.

00:29:15.380 So, anyway,

00:29:16.180 obviously you've got Rupert Lowe

00:29:17.240 calling for mass non-compliance.

00:29:19.480 The problem is,

00:29:20.840 even if we are non-compliant,

00:29:23.000 it may be that they can build

00:29:24.140 the system around us anyway.

00:29:26.120 So, the issue is

00:29:28.540 one of political will.

00:29:30.140 We have to have a government

00:29:32.020 that destroys the system, basically.

00:29:36.500 Thankfully,

00:29:37.480 Farage has come out and said,

00:29:38.660 I'm not having it.

00:29:40.520 So, the Prime Minister says

00:29:41.960 we must have digital ID.

00:29:43.840 That's the way we'll stop

00:29:45.300 illegal immigration.

00:29:46.820 Well, think about it.

00:29:47.400 Germany has ID cards,

00:29:49.840 strict ID and checks.

00:29:51.580 It's made no difference

00:29:52.880 at all in Germany

00:29:54.660 and nor will it here.

00:29:56.240 All that digital ID will be

00:29:57.820 is a means of controlling

00:29:59.340 the population

00:30:00.080 of telling us

00:30:01.400 what we can and can't do,

00:30:03.160 of fining the innocent.

00:30:05.100 And didn't we see it all

00:30:06.140 when we had the pandemic,

00:30:08.400 when you had to have

00:30:09.200 vaccine ID

00:30:10.300 to travel,

00:30:11.760 to do various things?

00:30:13.200 Did that stop

00:30:13.960 the COVID pandemic spreading?

00:30:15.800 Did it hell?

00:30:16.500 All it did was put cost

00:30:17.800 and inconvenience

00:30:18.880 on everybody else.

00:30:19.940 I also worry about massive data banks

00:30:24.260 being held by the government,

00:30:25.100 being hacked by foreign governments,

00:30:27.680 by private companies,

00:30:29.060 by criminals.

00:30:30.220 I do not see a single benefit

00:30:33.160 to the government having digital ID

00:30:35.700 other than them controlling what we do,

00:30:38.640 what we spend,

00:30:39.760 and where we go.

00:30:40.700 And we in reform

00:30:42.300 are wholly opposed to it

00:30:43.840 in every single way.

00:30:45.920 So basically,

00:30:48.020 it is going to be Farage

00:30:49.080 that saves us from this.

00:30:50.580 That's good.

00:30:51.040 Good on him.

00:30:51.520 I know I throw shade at Farage

00:30:52.700 all the time.

00:30:53.080 I've got a lot of shade at Farage.

00:30:54.340 That's brilliant.

00:30:55.400 He didn't get the memo

00:30:56.620 from the Bank of International

00:30:57.640 Settlements

00:30:58.140 on that one.

00:30:59.080 It's a great statement

00:30:59.680 and it's so Farage,

00:31:00.780 it's not a hard one for him.

00:31:02.060 He gets the ick about immigration,

00:31:04.260 but this kind of thing

00:31:05.060 is old school,

00:31:06.080 civil liberties,

00:31:07.660 small state Farage stuff.

00:31:09.140 It's literally the most

00:31:10.200 essentially English feeling

00:31:12.600 that everyone is revolted by this

00:31:15.580 because this is the opposite

00:31:17.200 of what England was for.

00:31:18.500 Yeah, I mean,

00:31:19.040 during COVID,

00:31:19.560 it was disturbing

00:31:20.140 how many people

00:31:20.780 didn't have that English feeling

00:31:21.980 and how many people were snitches

00:31:23.180 and how many people were conformists.

00:31:25.080 But ID seems to,

00:31:26.840 or national ID even,

00:31:28.160 seems to tap into

00:31:29.040 our inherent revolt.

00:31:30.060 Oh yeah.

00:31:30.760 Because it's so obviously,

00:31:32.860 just so obviously

00:31:33.840 going to be used

00:31:34.760 against you.

00:31:36.140 It's against our nature.

00:31:37.220 The argument

00:31:37.880 that you have to get the vaccine

00:31:38.960 otherwise you're killing

00:31:39.820 grandma and granddad.

00:31:41.160 If you're a credulous person

00:31:42.480 you could believe that.

00:31:43.440 Okay.

00:31:44.040 But the ID cards,

00:31:45.260 it's clearly going to just be

00:31:47.460 weaponised against you

00:31:48.420 immediately.

00:31:49.300 It's just against our nature

00:31:50.240 in the way that Germany,

00:31:51.220 it's not surprising

00:31:51.720 that Germany would be a country

00:31:52.540 that does have something like that

00:31:53.600 because they love rules.

00:31:54.960 They do love following rules.

00:31:55.840 It's not like that.

00:31:57.200 Yeah.

00:31:57.460 But no,

00:31:57.960 the Englishman expects

00:31:59.080 a degree of privacy

00:32:00.740 and to be the sovereign

00:32:02.160 of his own life.

00:32:03.060 If I have money

00:32:03.740 I'm going to spend it

00:32:04.300 as I want.

00:32:05.100 And it's not the government's

00:32:05.980 business to get involved in that.

00:32:07.660 It is not your business

00:32:08.500 to intercede

00:32:09.220 in who I hire,

00:32:10.200 who I pay,

00:32:11.060 who I do whatever.

00:32:11.880 And good on Farage,

00:32:13.180 good on reform.

00:32:14.380 Thank God

00:32:15.040 we at least have someone

00:32:16.020 waiting in the wings

00:32:16.820 who's like,

00:32:17.140 no,

00:32:17.540 we're not going to have this

00:32:19.240 in any way,

00:32:19.860 shape or form.

00:32:21.080 Weirdly,

00:32:21.460 the Liberal Democrats

00:32:22.160 were on the right side

00:32:22.940 of the issue.

00:32:23.720 Can you believe it?

00:32:24.800 For the first time

00:32:25.380 in a long time,

00:32:26.240 they can't support

00:32:26.900 mandatory digital IDs.

00:32:28.080 They shouldn't be criminalised

00:32:28.800 so they don't want to

00:32:29.220 hand over their private data.

00:32:30.500 I mean,

00:32:30.760 it's the thinnest,

00:32:31.980 wishy-washiest sort of,

00:32:33.520 meh,

00:32:34.000 but at least they're against.

00:32:35.340 They were the same

00:32:36.080 on vaccine passports

00:32:36.960 so very occasionally

00:32:38.380 on these issues

00:32:39.000 they're okay.

00:32:39.880 Yeah,

00:32:40.140 the issues of state overreach

00:32:41.480 they have a very thin

00:32:42.580 resistance.

00:32:44.180 But then you have

00:32:44.680 the leader of the SNP.

00:32:46.460 I'm opposed to

00:32:47.120 managing your digital ID.

00:32:48.340 People should go about

00:32:48.960 their daily lives

00:32:49.580 without such infringements.

00:32:50.600 Like,

00:32:50.800 okay,

00:32:51.100 brother.

00:32:51.820 Like,

00:32:52.160 you know,

00:32:52.880 I didn't realise

00:32:54.700 that I'd be standing

00:32:55.480 side by side

00:32:56.160 with the SNP.

00:32:57.460 I love that he hates

00:32:58.120 it's called Brit card.

00:32:59.140 He's like,

00:32:59.400 I'm a Scot.

00:33:00.340 Exactly.

00:33:01.820 He's also an ethnat.

00:33:03.680 Yeah.

00:33:04.100 Right?

00:33:04.500 Like,

00:33:04.860 his argument is not,

00:33:06.060 no,

00:33:06.200 I'm not a Brit civic nationalist.

00:33:09.560 I'm a blood and soil

00:33:11.040 Scot says it

00:33:12.760 and it's like,

00:33:13.140 oh,

00:33:13.340 that's a return to form,

00:33:14.520 isn't it?

00:33:15.000 Okay,

00:33:15.460 SNP.

00:33:16.200 If you call it

00:33:16.700 a Scot card

00:33:17.440 and put like,

00:33:18.140 they would have fallen for it.

00:33:19.320 That's one of their heroes.

00:33:20.200 Yeah,

00:33:20.380 they would have fallen for it.

00:33:21.040 We have to rely on

00:33:21.940 the Highland regiments

00:33:23.060 to save us yet again.

00:33:24.460 That's fine.

00:33:24.900 So be it.

00:33:25.480 We've got a long

00:33:25.960 and glorious tradition.

00:33:26.920 That's good.

00:33:27.800 And even people

00:33:29.140 like Clive Lewis,

00:33:30.120 even the Labour left

00:33:31.200 were like,

00:33:31.800 this is a bad idea

00:33:33.000 and I oppose it.

00:33:34.180 It's like,

00:33:34.400 really,

00:33:34.680 Clive Lewis is on

00:33:35.520 the right side of an issue.

00:33:36.920 Wow.

00:33:37.480 Even Comrade Corbyn

00:33:39.000 is on the right side

00:33:40.580 of the issue.

00:33:41.400 And again,

00:33:41.760 he was against

00:33:42.340 the passports.

00:33:43.420 Corbyn occasionally

00:33:44.280 pops up with one.

00:33:45.300 But this is Corbyn's

00:33:46.520 metaphorical Englishness.

00:33:47.880 He can't help,

00:33:48.640 but he is an Englishman

00:33:49.880 whether he likes it or not.

00:33:51.120 He probably doesn't like it.

00:33:52.840 This also cleaves

00:33:53.960 right to the heart

00:33:54.480 of the matter as well

00:33:55.080 because Starmer's

00:33:56.740 got such a big majority.

00:33:57.600 We will need

00:33:58.720 a bunch of Labour MPs

00:34:01.800 to not vote for it

00:34:03.520 with the government.

00:34:04.360 We'll need that

00:34:04.740 because otherwise

00:34:05.160 he can just get it through.

00:34:06.320 It doesn't matter

00:34:06.840 how many of the Lib Dems.

00:34:07.860 Exactly.

00:34:08.680 We will need defections.

00:34:09.520 The only weird frame

00:34:10.300 from Corbyn is

00:34:10.800 this will make

00:34:11.260 the lives of minorities

00:34:12.200 even more difficult.

00:34:13.200 Why will it make

00:34:13.660 the lives of minorities

00:34:14.580 more difficult?

00:34:15.180 They'll get the break card.

00:34:18.000 But yes,

00:34:19.080 so yeah,

00:34:19.640 it's an affront

00:34:20.100 to our civil liberties

00:34:20.860 which is correct.

00:34:22.520 Yes,

00:34:22.760 it's going to make

00:34:23.080 the lives of minorities

00:34:23.340 which it won't

00:34:24.320 but it's excessive

00:34:25.180 state interference

00:34:25.860 and must be resisted.

00:34:27.060 I'm with you 100%

00:34:28.380 on this, comrade.

00:34:30.480 And then you have

00:34:31.920 Billy Bragg

00:34:32.960 on Question Time

00:34:34.300 like again

00:34:34.700 the radical Labour left

00:34:36.020 saying they risk

00:34:37.720 increasing discrimination

00:34:38.560 against people

00:34:39.200 not seen as a standard

00:34:40.160 English person.

00:34:42.120 They're illegal immigrants.

00:34:43.940 Like the government's

00:34:44.520 own thing is

00:34:44.980 these illegal immigrants

00:34:46.260 shouldn't be here.

00:34:47.620 And he's like

00:34:47.920 well you're saying

00:34:48.400 they're not standard

00:34:48.960 English people?

00:34:49.620 Yes.

00:34:50.580 They're obviously

00:34:51.080 not standard English people.

00:34:52.320 Anyway, moving on.

00:34:54.040 Yeah, so you've got

00:34:54.900 Paul Mason

00:34:55.400 again the sort of like

00:34:56.220 deranged Labour left

00:34:57.600 who are like

00:34:57.980 Nigel wants the tax dodgers

00:34:59.420 and scammers

00:34:59.860 free to operate

00:35:00.500 in the twilight economy.

00:35:01.240 Right, so

00:35:01.900 the Paul Masons

00:35:03.500 of the world

00:35:04.680 are for it.

00:35:05.500 That's mad.

00:35:06.600 Like what an absolute

00:35:07.440 insane communist you are.

00:35:09.560 Jeremy Corbyn's against it.

00:35:10.740 Can't you agree with him?

00:35:11.860 He said he'll protect

00:35:12.660 the millions of

00:35:13.640 ethnic minority Brits

00:35:15.260 from his hate.

00:35:15.940 What does that even mean?

00:35:16.920 I have no idea.

00:35:17.940 It doesn't make any sense.

00:35:19.380 It's not making any sense

00:35:20.760 now Paul.

00:35:21.160 That's the point.

00:35:21.740 The pro argument

00:35:22.640 is completely incoherent.

00:35:24.640 There's no argument

00:35:25.780 in favour of it.

00:35:27.380 And

00:35:27.420 but then you've got

00:35:28.420 William Hay.

00:35:29.520 He loves it.

00:35:30.200 Conservative grandee.

00:35:31.240 Yeah, exactly.

00:35:32.020 He wrote a shared letter

00:35:33.240 with Tony Blair

00:35:33.820 calling for it in 2023.

00:35:35.520 He's like

00:35:35.700 this is exactly

00:35:36.260 the right move.

00:35:37.700 Now it's an important scheme

00:35:39.080 done properly

00:35:39.560 as I argued in my column

00:35:40.520 earlier this week.

00:35:42.800 You are not a conservative

00:35:43.920 then are you?

00:35:44.460 You actually have

00:35:45.600 the Tony Blair Institute

00:35:46.440 or is he just working with him?

00:35:47.340 You know, I didn't check.

00:35:48.400 I should have checked

00:35:49.080 if he's a member

00:35:49.660 of the Tony Blair Institute.

00:35:50.200 William Hay is one of those people

00:35:51.520 that certainly did get

00:35:52.440 the globalist memo.

00:35:53.480 Yes, and he's completely

00:35:54.600 in favour of immigration.

00:35:55.740 He's completely in favour

00:35:56.640 of digital ID.

00:35:57.900 He's not a Tory.

00:35:58.960 He's a traitor.

00:36:00.260 Anyway, then you have

00:36:00.900 Yeah, he's somehow

00:36:01.980 involved in the Institute.

00:36:02.880 Of course he is.

00:36:03.560 Then you have

00:36:03.860 Kimi Badenoch

00:36:04.500 who gave a very wishy-washy

00:36:05.680 statement as if this

00:36:06.580 wasn't the easiest thing

00:36:07.560 to win on.

00:36:08.620 There are arguments

00:36:09.140 for and against digital ID

00:36:10.420 but mandating its use

00:36:11.760 would be a very serious step

00:36:12.740 that requires a proper

00:36:13.460 national debate.

00:36:14.200 It's like, no.

00:36:15.100 Classic Kimi essay.

00:36:16.480 Yeah.

00:36:17.080 But no one

00:36:17.440 But no one all counts, Kimi.

00:36:20.200 As the leader of the Conservative Party

00:36:21.500 this is such an easy win.

00:36:23.280 Just come down and go,

00:36:24.020 no, Keir Starmer's a tyrant.

00:36:25.320 Vote for us

00:36:25.800 and we're going to overthrow

00:36:26.580 this regime in its entirety.

00:36:28.460 And for some reason

00:36:29.140 you're giving an equivocation.

00:36:30.880 One of Kimi's mottos

00:36:31.880 is never take an easy win.

00:36:33.400 Yeah.

00:36:33.660 It's always like,

00:36:34.580 well, we're not sure.

00:36:35.380 We're thinking about it.

00:36:36.360 We're not sure.

00:36:36.820 You're not sure about

00:36:37.300 leaving the ECHR still.

00:36:38.700 You know what I mean?

00:36:39.000 It's just all...

00:36:39.720 Kimi Badenoch's job

00:36:40.760 as leader for the opposition

00:36:41.740 is to be an opposition.

00:36:44.200 You would think.

00:36:45.640 Which is not really the opposition, is she?

00:36:46.760 But it's such an easy win.

00:36:47.880 But anyway, Liz Truss

00:36:48.840 will end with this.

00:36:49.800 I know I've run over time

00:36:50.680 but this is quite a big deal, wasn't it?

00:36:52.920 Liz Truss, I think,

00:36:53.980 has a good take on this as well.

00:36:55.620 Knowing what I know

00:36:56.200 about government IT

00:36:56.920 it's highly unlikely

00:36:57.700 that this terrible authoritarian scheme

00:36:59.120 will be implemented by 2029.

00:37:01.500 Yeah.

00:37:02.040 Incompetence will stop this happening.

00:37:03.300 Yes.

00:37:03.960 So if you're not from the country

00:37:07.000 and you're wondering

00:37:07.560 why doesn't he look terribly crushed about this?

00:37:09.600 Because I don't think

00:37:10.200 they're going to be able to do it.

00:37:11.340 I actually really agree

00:37:12.360 with Liz Truss on this.

00:37:13.120 I think they're just too incompetent.

00:37:14.360 Too much opposition,

00:37:15.440 too incompetent,

00:37:16.140 reformer coming in,

00:37:17.400 Starmer's very weak,

00:37:18.700 no chance.

00:37:19.240 Exactly.

00:37:19.680 What this is,

00:37:20.340 is the desperate dying howls

00:37:22.060 of the Blairite order

00:37:23.160 that can't accept

00:37:24.720 that it's time in the sun is done.

00:37:25.760 Remember the pressure

00:37:26.360 to get the vaccine passport?

00:37:27.500 I remember it

00:37:28.020 because I didn't take the vaccine.

00:37:29.160 I was like,

00:37:29.380 right, I'm never leaving the country again.

00:37:30.740 Whatever you throw at me,

00:37:31.560 I'll go to prison.

00:37:32.400 But they never got it anywhere.

00:37:33.820 Even though Andrew Neil's

00:37:34.920 writing tough articles,

00:37:35.860 Karen Brady,

00:37:36.380 all these people,

00:37:37.240 all these celebrities,

00:37:38.100 it's like,

00:37:38.740 no, no,

00:37:39.060 they never got anywhere

00:37:39.780 with the vaccine passport.

00:37:40.860 My hope with this

00:37:42.240 is that it will take

00:37:43.200 at least a year,

00:37:44.160 if not two,

00:37:45.200 to go through various readings,

00:37:46.720 various white papers,

00:37:48.200 some sort of national debate,

00:37:49.400 da-da-da-da-da.

00:37:49.960 And in that window of time,

00:37:51.640 a year,

00:37:52.000 18 months,

00:37:52.460 two years,

00:37:52.860 whatever it is,

00:37:53.320 six months,

00:37:53.720 whatever it is,

00:37:54.820 it becomes clear

00:37:56.220 that the general opposition

00:37:58.060 is just too much

00:38:00.380 for Starmer and his government

00:38:01.680 and they abandon the plan.

00:38:03.180 That's my hope.

00:38:04.340 Does Blair have the power

00:38:05.280 to just prop him up this one?

00:38:06.160 Probably not.

00:38:06.980 It's the biggest assault

00:38:07.840 they've ever launched,

00:38:08.480 but it's also the biggest

00:38:09.380 opposition they'll also ever have.

00:38:11.280 Yes.

00:38:12.000 So anyway,

00:38:12.640 there are loads of Super Chat,

00:38:13.660 so I'm just going to have

00:38:14.200 to summarize a bunch of them,

00:38:15.420 I'm afraid.

00:38:16.080 Thank you to everyone

00:38:16.960 wishing us good luck

00:38:18.000 because we're probably

00:38:20.500 going to need it,

00:38:21.260 so I really appreciate this.

00:38:23.920 And loads of people

00:38:25.060 are basically wishing us good luck,

00:38:26.260 so I'm sorry I'm not going

00:38:26.920 to have time to read them all out.

00:38:29.560 I work in IT.

00:38:30.680 I know exactly how

00:38:31.380 these systems are built and abused.

00:38:32.460 It's silencing,

00:38:33.340 inconvenient speech,

00:38:34.260 nothing else.

00:38:35.400 Yes.

00:38:35.720 I will never get the digital ID

00:38:37.640 and I'll take the consequences.

00:38:39.240 Well, that's the thing.

00:38:40.160 We don't,

00:38:41.740 basically,

00:38:42.340 is my opinion,

00:38:43.640 and I'm not going to.

00:38:45.620 And people saying

00:38:46.840 they're enjoying

00:38:47.200 the Island of War.

00:38:47.900 Well, that's good.

00:38:48.680 Right, let's carry on.

00:38:50.460 Sorry for running over there,

00:38:51.520 but there was a lot

00:38:52.520 going on there,

00:38:53.060 wasn't there?

00:38:54.400 Yes, so should we do my bit?

00:38:55.660 Oops.

00:38:55.820 Yep.

00:38:56.800 Which is,

00:38:58.080 is Starmer finished,

00:38:59.700 very much continuing

00:39:00.600 from the previous segment,

00:39:02.020 and can Andy Burnham

00:39:03.540 save Labour?

00:39:04.560 So all the rumours

00:39:06.040 are that Andy Burnham

00:39:07.200 is going to have a shot

00:39:08.620 at the Labour leadership.

00:39:10.520 It's a great time for it.

00:39:11.660 The party's doing really well.

00:39:13.560 But is he,

00:39:14.280 is he actually going to do it?

00:39:15.620 This guy,

00:39:16.240 Tony Diver,

00:39:16.800 did a big telegraph piece on it

00:39:18.420 and he basically says,

00:39:20.200 well,

00:39:21.020 yes,

00:39:21.320 he is.

00:39:21.780 Let's see if I can,

00:39:22.520 can't see it

00:39:23.780 because the camera's in the way.

00:39:25.320 Look at that.

00:39:25.640 Everyone has asked him,

00:39:27.060 which is,

00:39:27.460 do you want to be Prime Minister?

00:39:28.340 Do you want to lead the Labour Party?

00:39:29.760 And are you going to challenge

00:39:30.540 Keir Starmer?

00:39:31.080 And he gave me a strange answer,

00:39:32.460 which is to say,

00:39:33.200 it's not really up to me.

00:39:35.140 It's up to Labour MPs.

00:39:36.380 It's up to people in Westminster.

00:39:37.560 They're the ones who get to choose

00:39:38.900 who the Labour Party leader is.

00:39:41.060 So I said,

00:39:41.680 okay,

00:39:41.940 well,

00:39:42.640 do any of them want you to do it?

00:39:44.140 And he said,

00:39:44.820 yeah,

00:39:45.440 actually quite a lot of them

00:39:46.500 have contacted me over the summer

00:39:47.600 and said that they would like me to stand.

00:39:50.000 So there we go.

00:39:50.800 Those two answers together

00:39:51.620 tell you one thing,

00:39:52.560 which is that Burnham wants it.

00:39:54.040 Yeah,

00:39:54.240 I love this.

00:39:54.660 So Burnham was like,

00:39:58.280 it's not really up to me,

00:39:59.400 but they have all emailed me

00:40:00.620 and said,

00:40:00.940 definitely run.

00:40:01.940 So he basically is running.

00:40:03.500 But my question is though,

00:40:04.860 he needs to be an MP.

00:40:08.000 Yes,

00:40:08.380 and we'll get to that.

00:40:09.300 There's some tricks,

00:40:10.400 there's some problems.

00:40:11.240 Yes,

00:40:11.800 indeed.

00:40:12.860 So,

00:40:13.740 so that was the Telegraph journalist,

00:40:15.660 Tony Diver,

00:40:16.440 who wrote this piece.

00:40:18.280 No,

00:40:18.660 not this.

00:40:19.220 Oh,

00:40:19.540 my thing's not working.

00:40:21.880 Maybe I can go to it at the top.

00:40:23.620 Okay.

00:40:23.720 Nope.

00:40:25.020 Did I unplug the wrong one?

00:40:26.180 No,

00:40:26.360 I did unplug the wrong one.

00:40:27.820 Anyway,

00:40:28.140 he wrote this piece.

00:40:29.800 Andy Burnham wants me to challenge Starmer.

00:40:31.840 MPs want me to challenge Starmer.

00:40:33.680 So Burnham's framing it very much

00:40:35.040 that the MPs want him to do it.

00:40:37.040 I'm a normal man being called to greatness.

00:40:39.660 Yeah,

00:40:39.880 yeah,

00:40:40.040 what can I do?

00:40:40.800 He also criticised Sir Keir directly,

00:40:43.200 warning him that Number 10 had created

00:40:45.020 a climate of fear among MPs

00:40:46.760 and accused his administration of creating

00:40:49.120 alienation and demoralisation within the party.

00:40:51.900 So that is fairly unambiguous.

00:40:54.040 Well,

00:40:54.140 I mean,

00:40:54.360 he kicked loads of people out of the party

00:40:56.160 when he came in.

00:40:57.560 Yeah,

00:40:58.080 yeah,

00:40:58.360 I know,

00:40:58.620 obviously Starmer's alienated lots of people in Labour.

00:41:00.540 Total tyrant over the Labour Party

00:41:02.040 and total tyrant over the country.

00:41:03.880 What a shock.

00:41:04.940 And asked if MPs had urged him to run,

00:41:06.840 he said,

00:41:07.240 people have contacted me throughout the summer.

00:41:08.680 Yeah,

00:41:09.060 I'm not going to say to you that it hasn't happened,

00:41:10.940 but as I say,

00:41:11.500 it's more a decision for me,

00:41:13.440 for those people than it is for me.

00:41:15.460 Is that working now?

00:41:17.040 Yes.

00:41:17.380 It is.

00:41:17.620 Okay,

00:41:17.880 brilliant.

00:41:18.440 So,

00:41:19.140 he'll be very slick from now on.

00:41:20.760 Anyway,

00:41:21.040 that's the Tony Diver piece on whether he's running,

00:41:23.440 and he basically definitely is.

00:41:24.900 I mean,

00:41:25.060 asked if he could rule out a leadership challenge.

00:41:27.120 He said,

00:41:27.700 life seems to be changing,

00:41:29.340 and I don't know what's the will of people in Westminster.

00:41:31.800 I'm at the Prime Minister's disposal to help.

00:41:34.180 That was a brilliant quote.

00:41:35.020 It's like,

00:41:35.260 oh,

00:41:35.420 look,

00:41:35.820 I'm just at the,

00:41:36.580 listen,

00:41:36.840 here we are.

00:41:37.160 Life finds a way,

00:41:38.540 you guys.

00:41:39.800 Life seems to be changing.

00:41:41.220 So,

00:41:41.520 the Labour conference next week is going to be very important,

00:41:43.180 because if Burnham comes up there and just gets the,

00:41:45.720 you haven't seen Dark Hour,

00:41:47.760 but if he gets the dab on the head of the napkin,

00:41:50.080 you know,

00:41:50.440 if he gets the vote of the people,

00:41:53.020 it will become clear at the conference whether they're for him or not.

00:41:56.540 A bit like when Farage went to the Tory conference,

00:41:58.420 and it was clear that everyone actually liked Farage better.

00:42:00.820 But,

00:42:01.020 anyway,

00:42:02.100 but as you were saying,

00:42:02.880 bro,

00:42:02.960 the big question is,

00:42:03.880 can he win?

00:42:06.440 And he's also said,

00:42:07.260 by the way,

00:42:07.500 that he would be happy to do a coalition with the Lib Dems and Corbyn.

00:42:11.020 That's another issue.

00:42:11.620 But can he win a by-election?

00:42:12.600 That is a great question,

00:42:13.420 because he's not an MP at the moment,

00:42:14.380 as you say,

00:42:15.040 so he'd have to become an MP again.

00:42:16.880 So,

00:42:17.220 he needs a safe seat.

00:42:18.200 But the question is,

00:42:18.760 is there such a thing in this day and age?

00:42:21.000 And Matthew Torbic,

00:42:21.700 who I've worked with on GB,

00:42:22.880 has some thoughts on this.

00:42:24.220 Is Andy Burnham the answer?

00:42:26.100 He won't get a seat in Manchester,

00:42:27.180 because Reform will absolutely win any by-election in Manchester.

00:42:30.340 No,

00:42:30.800 there are four options for Andy Burnham,

00:42:32.900 and two of which Reform could never win,

00:42:35.100 ever.

00:42:35.880 They are far too safe,

00:42:37.480 even in this climate.

00:42:38.520 And there are several seats that are available.

00:42:41.120 If we were to...

00:42:42.180 Is Burnham the hope?

00:42:43.480 Yes,

00:42:43.760 the only hope.

00:42:44.460 Is he?

00:42:44.800 The only hope.

00:42:45.500 Does he beat Farage?

00:42:46.460 I don't know.

00:42:48.920 He gives us half a chance.

00:42:51.320 Right now,

00:42:51.620 nobody gets a chance.

00:42:52.740 I think he is the best political communicator on the left,

00:42:55.580 that would give us half a chance.

00:42:57.080 Who's the best political commentator or communicator on the right?

00:43:00.500 Agil Farage.

00:43:01.180 Yeah.

00:43:01.720 He's the best political communicator in the country.

00:43:04.160 I think where Andy Burnham could beat him,

00:43:05.980 is being authentically working class,

00:43:07.520 and understanding the issues affecting working class people.

00:43:09.780 But he stood before and got battered.

00:43:12.420 Yes,

00:43:12.720 and he disappointed me,

00:43:14.080 because he tried to appeal to all sides,

00:43:16.180 and wasn't authentic,

00:43:17.240 wasn't authentically himself,

00:43:18.600 and became an identikit politician.

00:43:20.440 Yeah.

00:43:20.620 I therefore went for Jeremy Corbyn.

00:43:22.040 I was Andy Burnham through and through.

00:43:23.340 That man got me into politics,

00:43:24.800 and saw something in me that he believed in.

00:43:27.520 And that's why I will...

00:43:28.280 You'll probably get the idea.

00:43:29.940 Matthew,

00:43:30.520 even he is saying,

00:43:31.440 it's half a chance against the might of Farage,

00:43:34.420 if we get Burnham.

00:43:35.240 But that's how he's claiming there's safe seats.

00:43:37.940 Loads of people have made your point,

00:43:38.960 there are no safe seats anymore.

00:43:40.360 He claims there are.

00:43:41.400 It wasn't even necessarily that.

00:43:42.720 I know that there are some very safe Labour seats still.

00:43:46.240 I mean,

00:43:46.440 one thing,

00:43:46.840 just quickly on the side.

00:43:47.960 Oh,

00:43:48.220 there are going to be by-elections in them.

00:43:49.520 Burnham can beat Nigel on the amount of eyeliner worn.

00:43:55.020 Right.

00:43:55.540 So there's always that.

00:43:57.260 But what it really is,

00:43:59.280 though,

00:43:59.400 is a safe Labour MP has to just resign.

00:44:03.480 Yeah.

00:44:03.840 Yeah.

00:44:05.080 Cynically,

00:44:05.760 obviously,

00:44:06.800 so that Burnham can then stand in that triggered by-election.

00:44:11.220 Yeah,

00:44:11.440 but that happens all the time,

00:44:12.200 doesn't it?

00:44:12.520 They'll be pressured to do it,

00:44:13.660 that person.

00:44:14.120 Some people have said they won't do it.

00:44:15.580 It doesn't happen all the time.

00:44:16.700 It happens sometimes.

00:44:17.620 It can happen,

00:44:18.340 but I don't know how...

00:44:19.180 Someone will cynically just quit,

00:44:20.920 so that someone who isn't an MP can be parachuted in...

00:44:24.400 That happened with Rishi Sunak,

00:44:25.640 didn't it?

00:44:26.320 Like the guy in Richmond got pulled.

00:44:28.660 In between general elections,

00:44:31.220 sure,

00:44:32.100 that's very common.

00:44:33.540 Yeah.

00:44:34.000 But just in the middle of a parliament,

00:44:36.520 someone says,

00:44:37.040 oh,

00:44:37.100 I just quit.

00:44:37.680 I'm your MP.

00:44:38.320 I quit.

00:44:39.280 And then there is a by-election,

00:44:40.440 but we still want you to vote for the same party,

00:44:42.600 though,

00:44:43.060 so that this dude can be an MP now.

00:44:45.880 Yeah,

00:44:45.980 but if they decide they want it to happen,

00:44:47.140 it'll happen,

00:44:48.040 I think.

00:44:48.640 Okay.

00:44:49.320 But I know what you mean.

00:44:50.060 It would be irregular.

00:44:51.080 It is a challenge for them.

00:44:52.360 It'd be very cynical.

00:44:53.020 Somewhat irregular.

00:44:53.620 It'd be very cynical,

00:44:54.220 of course.

00:44:54.620 They can probably find a diehard will do it,

00:44:56.060 though.

00:44:56.180 But Burnham,

00:44:58.400 but,

00:44:58.920 Bo,

00:44:59.640 they'll do it,

00:45:00.760 surely,

00:45:01.380 if it's shown that he can beat Farage and Star McCart,

00:45:04.880 which this poll seems to indicate.

00:45:07.180 So,

00:45:07.500 Labour would take a two-point lead over Reform,

00:45:09.960 with Andy Burnham as leader,

00:45:11.440 new more in common polling shows.

00:45:13.100 So,

00:45:13.320 there you go.

00:45:13.660 So,

00:45:13.760 that's the key difference.

00:45:15.460 They are losing to Reform,

00:45:16.700 but then magically,

00:45:17.620 in that poll,

00:45:18.280 with Burnham,

00:45:18.880 they beat Reform.

00:45:19.560 So,

00:45:19.760 he gets votes from the Tories,

00:45:21.200 1% from the Lib Dems,

00:45:22.960 and 2% from the Greens.

00:45:24.700 Well,

00:45:25.680 I think they're sort of overestimating the,

00:45:28.100 the ability of Andy Burnham.

00:45:30.880 The appeal,

00:45:31.380 yeah.

00:45:31.620 Like,

00:45:31.820 he's not that great.

00:45:33.180 People don't love him that much.

00:45:34.580 But also,

00:45:35.260 the Labour Party itself is a bit of a tarnished brand,

00:45:37.740 in the same way that the Conservatives are.

00:45:39.480 Like,

00:45:39.620 everyone hates the Labour Party.

00:45:41.460 Like,

00:45:41.560 there was a poll that came out,

00:45:43.480 what was it,

00:45:43.720 yesterday,

00:45:44.460 where they were on like 17%,

00:45:45.860 and the Tories are on like 15%.

00:45:47.460 Like,

00:45:48.080 sorry,

00:45:48.300 who the hell is still voting for the Labour Party at this point?

00:45:50.320 Well,

00:45:50.560 and it would also mean that,

00:45:52.040 they just work as I assume.

00:45:52.980 If Andy Burnham took over from Keir Starmer,

00:45:56.100 in the middle of this Parliament,

00:45:57.480 or towards the end of this Parliament,

00:45:58.740 what he does in that window,

00:46:00.280 leading up to the next general election,

00:46:01.360 because if he does similar things,

00:46:03.620 the Labour Party will be just as hated,

00:46:05.300 and fail at the ballot box just as much.

00:46:07.220 What,

00:46:07.460 he's supposed to challenge Starmer for the leadership,

00:46:11.620 win,

00:46:12.240 and then do something completely,

00:46:13.600 completely different,

00:46:14.240 so much so that the general electorate vote for him at the general election.

00:46:19.080 That's not...

00:46:19.660 That's why even Labour diehards are saying it's a half chance.

00:46:23.100 Yeah,

00:46:23.520 it's a long shot.

00:46:24.800 It's a series of long shots.

00:46:26.380 Well,

00:46:26.480 that's the point,

00:46:26.940 isn't it?

00:46:27.080 The guy was like,

00:46:27.640 well,

00:46:27.880 he's our last hope.

00:46:28.660 It's like,

00:46:28.900 really,

00:46:29.220 Andy Burnham is the last hope of the entire Labour project since 1997.

00:46:33.640 He was like third string in their years,

00:46:35.380 wasn't he?

00:46:35.680 How have you got to this point?

00:46:37.640 Yeah,

00:46:37.780 but look how the Tories disintegrated.

00:46:39.120 They had no talent left.

00:46:40.420 It was...

00:46:40.820 But they followed the same trajectory,

00:46:42.620 that Cameron was like,

00:46:43.580 yeah,

00:46:43.700 we're going to become a Blairite party.

00:46:45.180 Yeah.

00:46:45.480 And so now William Haig and Tony Blair are locked arm and arm,

00:46:47.820 being like,

00:46:48.140 guys,

00:46:48.360 you need digital ID.

00:46:49.440 And all it takes is someone like Nigel Farage,

00:46:51.800 basically on his own to go,

00:46:53.340 I'm not going to do that.

00:46:54.340 Their form of politics is dying.

00:46:55.980 Exactly.

00:46:56.220 As Starmer claimed today,

00:46:57.220 it wasn't.

00:46:57.860 Exactly.

00:46:58.300 You look at some of the polls where reform are just crushing everything,

00:47:01.080 becoming almost like just one party.

00:47:03.140 The uni party.

00:47:03.840 Yeah,

00:47:04.100 yeah.

00:47:04.380 It just shows that it's the end of that era of politics.

00:47:06.640 And just to be clear,

00:47:07.600 right,

00:47:08.220 I'm going to vote for Nigel Farage,

00:47:09.500 and I strongly encourage you to vote for Nigel Farage.

00:47:11.800 I've got many,

00:47:13.280 many problems with Nigel,

00:47:14.380 but we have to crush these two,

00:47:16.320 right?

00:47:16.700 Labour and Tories have to be crushed.

00:47:18.400 Yeah.

00:47:18.520 That's just the way it is.

00:47:19.520 And Farage is the weapon to do that.

00:47:21.460 I'm not thrilled with it,

00:47:22.440 but it's got to be.

00:47:23.780 Yeah.

00:47:24.260 And it's not surprising that...

00:47:26.200 If things change,

00:47:26.880 then things change,

00:47:27.440 but at the moment...

00:47:28.020 Oh,

00:47:28.100 yeah,

00:47:28.280 it's an interesting point,

00:47:29.720 because you might not have said that before.

00:47:31.940 I mean,

00:47:32.020 I've been very critical of him.

00:47:32.860 Yeah,

00:47:33.040 no,

00:47:33.200 I'm very critical of him.

00:47:34.220 Yeah.

00:47:34.760 But...

00:47:35.120 But there's no one else who's going to win.

00:47:36.760 And look at what they're trying to do.

00:47:38.380 They want to bring digital ID.

00:47:39.580 Farage is like,

00:47:40.120 no,

00:47:40.240 I'm against that great.

00:47:40.920 It has to be him now.

00:47:41.760 Yeah.

00:47:42.040 It's just a question of hoping

00:47:42.880 they can actually deport people

00:47:44.000 and be based,

00:47:44.700 which we live in hope.

00:47:45.960 I'm just hoping Rupert

00:47:46.900 will still start a party.

00:47:48.200 Well,

00:47:48.320 yeah,

00:47:48.540 me too.

00:47:48.840 But,

00:47:49.300 you know,

00:47:49.580 I think things are too in motion

00:47:51.440 for that now.

00:47:52.160 Anyway.

00:47:52.460 Yeah,

00:47:52.840 well,

00:47:52.960 anyway,

00:47:53.200 it's no surprise that Starmer

00:47:54.240 is doing so badly in the polls,

00:47:55.480 because you see he is,

00:47:56.500 just to recap,

00:47:57.300 he is completely falling apart.

00:47:58.580 Starmer's head of communication,

00:47:59.720 Steph Driver,

00:48:00.380 quits in latest number 10 exit.

00:48:02.400 And this,

00:48:03.140 of course,

00:48:03.360 is on top of the Mandelson,

00:48:06.220 Mandelson going,

00:48:07.620 that guy,

00:48:08.160 Ovenden going,

00:48:09.080 obviously Rainer going,

00:48:10.600 and McSweeney,

00:48:11.400 rumours of Starmer shouting

00:48:12.520 at McSweeney,

00:48:13.380 you're supposed to protect me,

00:48:14.740 which just sounds hilarious.

00:48:16.520 Isn't McSweeney under some sort

00:48:17.900 of investigation for,

00:48:19.040 like embezzling 750,000 pounds?

00:48:22.420 40,000 pounds,

00:48:23.400 yeah,

00:48:23.560 yeah,

00:48:23.740 exactly.

00:48:24.160 She's a big deal.

00:48:24.920 She's the equivalent of Alistair Campbell.

00:48:26.680 Your head of communications

00:48:27.720 in number 10

00:48:28.400 is an absolutely pivotal role.

00:48:30.740 I see McSweeney as the Campbell

00:48:31.940 or maybe McSweeney's the Cummings

00:48:33.620 and she's the Campbell.

00:48:34.400 Yeah,

00:48:34.540 maybe.

00:48:34.940 Or head of communications,

00:48:35.920 chief of staff.

00:48:36.760 She's the one who projects

00:48:37.960 the message out to the public.

00:48:39.640 That's what she's in charge of doing.

00:48:41.260 So losing that person,

00:48:42.600 that's a bit bad.

00:48:44.700 A little over a week after that,

00:48:46.300 I'm director of policy strategy.

00:48:47.540 So it ain't good.

00:48:48.660 It ain't good.

00:48:49.260 The wheels are coming off

00:48:50.120 of the Starmer regime.

00:48:51.280 Yeah,

00:48:51.680 indeed.

00:48:52.120 This is what I mean

00:48:52.680 with the digital ideas

00:48:53.900 being the Hail Mary.

00:48:55.040 You can think,

00:48:55.580 things are falling apart.

00:48:56.540 There's challenges coming

00:48:57.300 within the Labour Party.

00:48:58.600 They're like,

00:48:58.860 right,

00:48:58.980 we need to get the Blair Institute

00:49:00.180 on its board.

00:49:01.160 Digital ID,

00:49:01.740 it's like you're just,

00:49:03.040 that is the end.

00:49:03.760 You can drive yourselves

00:49:04.500 into the ground.

00:49:05.020 Labour does absolutely feel

00:49:06.100 like it's a cornered,

00:49:07.600 feral animal

00:49:08.680 with nothing left to lose

00:49:10.260 apart from to strike out

00:49:11.380 with everything it's got left.

00:49:12.600 Yes.

00:49:12.860 Yeah.

00:49:13.700 Hopefully it kills the party finally.

00:49:15.700 Sorry, Karen.

00:49:16.060 No,

00:49:16.520 just because I'm a normie

00:49:17.480 from mainstream television news,

00:49:19.460 a veteran really,

00:49:20.180 I thought we'd look at,

00:49:20.940 you know,

00:49:21.360 who is Andy Burnham?

00:49:22.280 What are his policy ideas?

00:49:23.340 It's kind of a mainstream piece.

00:49:24.820 And so Burnham,

00:49:26.980 he was in Brown's cabinet.

00:49:29.520 He was once a Blairite,

00:49:30.460 now he's sort of socialist,

00:49:31.520 his soft left.

00:49:32.340 He ran for leader in 2015.

00:49:34.040 That describes Brown.

00:49:35.300 Was it?

00:49:35.600 Yeah,

00:49:36.000 he was ahead,

00:49:37.080 but then he got fairly trounced

00:49:38.420 by Corbyn

00:49:39.080 and his pitch was pretty vague

00:49:40.780 as actually Matthew Torbett

00:49:42.380 suggested earlier.

00:49:43.400 Because I love this bit

00:49:44.260 where his announcement,

00:49:45.600 where is it?

00:49:46.080 His,

00:49:46.780 where is it?

00:49:48.020 Oh yeah.

00:49:49.120 His announcement involved

00:49:50.160 the promise to rediscover

00:49:51.240 the beating heart of Labour

00:49:52.140 and appeal to the aspirations

00:49:53.300 of everyone.

00:49:54.240 It's the most like vague,

00:49:55.480 nothing he bit.

00:49:56.060 So that was a bit of a problem

00:49:57.860 with his pitch

00:49:58.240 whereas Corbyn

00:49:58.780 was a bit clearer

00:49:59.700 in his beliefs.

00:50:01.000 So then he became

00:50:01.880 king in the north.

00:50:03.060 They actually say

00:50:03.800 king of the north

00:50:04.400 but in Game of Thrones

00:50:05.540 it's king in the north

00:50:06.300 by the upcoming mayor

00:50:07.480 of Manchester

00:50:08.080 and he won that

00:50:09.500 convincingly three times

00:50:10.540 to be fair to him.

00:50:11.320 And so they like him up there

00:50:13.720 and if you want to understand him

00:50:15.140 this new Statesman piece

00:50:16.560 is pretty good

00:50:17.200 which is Andy Burnham's

00:50:18.400 plan for Britain

00:50:19.080 and I'm not actually

00:50:20.440 going to scroll around it

00:50:21.140 because it's too big

00:50:21.800 and complicated

00:50:22.140 and I'll piss around

00:50:23.060 when the scroller

00:50:23.620 but basically

00:50:24.140 he is born in Aintree

00:50:26.460 which is Liverpool

00:50:27.320 pretty much

00:50:27.820 but he moves to Colchis

00:50:28.980 which is more

00:50:30.120 considered Manchester

00:50:30.900 though it's about

00:50:31.440 equidistant between them.

00:50:33.120 So basically

00:50:34.300 there's an anecdote in here

00:50:35.440 where he goes to the football

00:50:36.820 it's Everton versus Man City

00:50:38.100 and the City fans

00:50:39.360 start chanting

00:50:40.020 you Scouse bastard

00:50:41.020 to which the Everton fans

00:50:42.380 reply

00:50:42.920 you mank bastard

00:50:43.820 so he's hated by both

00:50:45.000 but he's also potentially

00:50:45.960 loved by both

00:50:46.740 in that big sort of

00:50:47.700 northern area

00:50:48.180 have you ever sort of

00:50:48.760 gone across an area

00:50:49.360 in the north west

00:50:50.000 and I'm obviously

00:50:50.760 52.2% north west

00:50:52.280 in my DNA

00:50:52.880 so I understand all this

00:50:54.240 this is a big massive area

00:50:55.660 of loads of houses there

00:50:56.560 Warrington sort of area

00:50:57.780 and there's a lot of people there

00:50:59.320 and they do like Burnham

00:51:00.540 as the piece says

00:51:01.600 he's chauffeured from office

00:51:02.700 to home

00:51:03.140 from visit to visit

00:51:03.820 as if he's prime minister

00:51:04.820 of the north

00:51:05.820 and there's all these people

00:51:06.860 stopping him to chat

00:51:07.960 and things like this

00:51:08.740 and so in that northern world

00:51:11.000 he's loved

00:51:12.200 and something quite

00:51:13.080 or loved by many

00:51:13.820 something quite strange

00:51:14.900 he says

00:51:15.140 he identifies as

00:51:16.380 British first

00:51:17.300 north west second

00:51:19.020 Liverpool third

00:51:20.220 and English fourth

00:51:21.480 so to keep the different

00:51:23.100 layers of his identity

00:51:24.420 that is a

00:51:25.240 that's quite strange

00:51:26.160 isn't it

00:51:26.620 I can't help but notice

00:51:27.640 he's got very

00:51:28.200 Scouse physiognomy as well

00:51:29.600 yes

00:51:30.040 he looks like a Scouser

00:51:31.820 that's true

00:51:32.280 so it can't be easy

00:51:34.260 in Manchester for him

00:51:35.020 he's got Irish roots as well

00:51:36.140 from his grandparents

00:51:37.080 and he's like

00:51:37.640 as many Scousers have

00:51:38.520 but British first

00:51:39.720 north west second

00:51:40.580 because I always think of myself

00:51:41.680 as Lakes first

00:51:42.380 Cumbria

00:51:42.900 north England

00:51:43.840 Britain

00:51:44.140 but that's

00:51:44.740 that's concentric

00:51:45.620 it makes sense

00:51:46.180 Britain

00:51:47.180 Britain

00:51:47.780 north west

00:51:48.880 Liverpool

00:51:49.400 English

00:51:49.800 I'm like

00:51:50.120 this is all over the place

00:51:51.000 yeah

00:51:51.120 but anyway that's how

00:51:52.140 the American dating system

00:51:53.160 I'm very very firmly

00:51:54.260 south east

00:51:54.940 but I just consider myself

00:51:55.920 an Englishman first and foremost

00:51:57.160 and not much else

00:51:58.500 yeah same

00:51:59.600 I'm just English

00:52:00.280 I might say northern

00:52:01.160 but yeah

00:52:01.520 I could drill down into it

00:52:03.500 if I needed to

00:52:04.080 why would I

00:52:04.660 yeah

00:52:04.840 I mean

00:52:05.560 yeah

00:52:05.860 it's this weird thing about Britain

00:52:08.880 so he wants to go back in the EU

00:52:10.560 he's pretty clear about that

00:52:11.660 it says he likes unions

00:52:12.960 including the one the UK had

00:52:14.300 until recently with the continent

00:52:15.660 a union he hopes is eventually restored

00:52:17.680 of course he does

00:52:18.340 and he even says

00:52:19.040 it says Burnham wants Labour

00:52:21.040 to make a stronger argument

00:52:22.040 about Brexit having been a mistake

00:52:23.700 so that's very very clear

00:52:25.100 so and obviously it plays

00:52:26.960 simply against Farage

00:52:28.180 Mr Brexit

00:52:28.840 so and loads of people

00:52:30.620 still want to go back in

00:52:31.660 I know these people

00:52:32.440 I play football with them

00:52:33.360 Burnham wants to see

00:52:35.220 a complete overhaul

00:52:35.940 of asylum policy

00:52:36.800 not leaving the ECHR

00:52:38.320 but ending the system

00:52:39.360 in which asylum seekers

00:52:40.300 are settled around the country

00:52:41.720 by the Home Office

00:52:42.400 which he describes as

00:52:43.220 atrocious and dangerous

00:52:44.360 so what are we doing

00:52:45.000 putting him in a concentration camp

00:52:46.240 I'm not quite sure

00:52:47.080 but he's right that it's dangerous

00:52:48.300 yeah it doesn't say

00:52:49.220 and he's a disciple of

00:52:50.300 Blair and Brown

00:52:51.180 yeah

00:52:52.040 that's what it still is essentially

00:52:53.840 that's all you need to know

00:52:54.700 that's all you need to know

00:52:55.960 and where's eyeliner

00:52:57.600 sorry

00:52:57.840 does he wear eyeliner or not

00:52:59.380 I don't know

00:52:59.860 have you not noticed

00:53:01.240 have you not never noticed

00:53:02.920 he does look like he is

00:53:04.200 but the thing is

00:53:04.760 sometimes you just

00:53:05.240 people look like that

00:53:05.860 sometimes people used to say that

00:53:07.060 to me at school

00:53:07.680 and I thought I wasn't

00:53:08.740 I got that

00:53:09.180 I just have thick eyelashes

00:53:11.400 yeah so let's

00:53:12.640 let's find out on that

00:53:13.540 do some deep research bro

00:53:14.620 he wants proportional representation

00:53:16.740 he says the idea of a government

00:53:18.080 elected on a minority of the vote

00:53:19.320 is untenable

00:53:19.920 so that's fairly radical

00:53:21.640 he wants maximum devolution

00:53:23.860 to England's regions

00:53:24.740 which I'm not sure means

00:53:25.520 actual devolution

00:53:26.080 just more power to the north

00:53:27.940 and so on

00:53:28.340 which is convinced will allow

00:53:29.580 the state to control

00:53:30.400 the amount of spending

00:53:31.100 on welfare and social housing

00:53:32.480 and it may as well

00:53:33.120 just be Blair speaking

00:53:34.080 yeah he wants the mansion tax

00:53:35.780 he wants to change

00:53:36.620 the council tax ban

00:53:37.460 so he's never had

00:53:37.960 an original thought

00:53:38.640 so he's a commie

00:53:39.540 got it

00:53:40.280 yeah and the other thing is

00:53:41.820 you say he's a commie

00:53:42.880 but is he the new trust

00:53:44.920 because the scale of borrowing

00:53:46.500 he's talking about

00:53:47.160 is already spooking the market

00:53:48.780 so financial times

00:53:50.020 Andy Burnham's borrowing plans

00:53:51.300 would spook guilt market

00:53:52.540 investors war

00:53:53.220 wow

00:53:53.600 so some people

00:53:54.260 I've even seen pictures

00:53:55.260 I didn't

00:53:55.700 it was too disturbing

00:53:56.380 to put on the screen

00:53:57.040 of him as trust

00:53:58.100 in a kind of mashup

00:53:59.020 but he

00:54:00.720 people are worried

00:54:01.500 about his 40 billion

00:54:02.440 that he wants here

00:54:03.340 to build council houses

00:54:04.600 alongside a mass

00:54:05.840 nationalization program

00:54:06.760 so they're worried already

00:54:07.680 we got 40 billion

00:54:08.880 just under the couch cushions

00:54:10.900 do we

00:54:11.260 yeah exactly

00:54:12.180 it's a great question

00:54:12.940 where's this money

00:54:13.620 going to come from

00:54:14.380 so he's just another

00:54:15.340 labour guy

00:54:16.000 who doesn't understand

00:54:16.640 spending

00:54:17.200 and I quite like

00:54:18.280 the quote here

00:54:18.980 where someone said

00:54:20.680 it was a

00:54:21.020 we basically

00:54:22.180 I can't find it

00:54:22.900 it was about

00:54:23.160 let me see if I can find it

00:54:24.220 I need to borrow

00:54:24.980 tens of billions

00:54:25.840 so we can nationalize stuff

00:54:27.440 yeah

00:54:28.340 good plan

00:54:29.180 so we can build houses

00:54:30.420 for foreigners

00:54:31.000 and even Starmer

00:54:32.140 has basically said

00:54:32.800 no no

00:54:33.140 this won't work

00:54:34.000 here's the quote I liked

00:54:34.840 Burnham downplayed

00:54:35.840 such concerns

00:54:36.380 we've got to get

00:54:37.060 beyond this thing

00:54:37.700 of being in hock

00:54:38.420 to the bond markets

00:54:39.220 one ally of Starmer

00:54:41.400 said it's like

00:54:41.960 telling someone

00:54:42.420 on a ledge

00:54:42.980 not to worry about gravity

00:54:44.140 so yeah

00:54:44.940 we can't just not worry

00:54:46.240 about the bond markets

00:54:46.940 and the bond markets

00:54:47.700 are worse than when

00:54:48.280 Trust was in charge anyway

00:54:49.480 so like things

00:54:50.680 aren't as bad

00:54:51.260 worse than they've ever been

00:54:52.660 but anyway

00:54:53.160 yeah

00:54:53.820 and if they do

00:54:54.860 obviously he'll fix nothing

00:54:55.920 if they win

00:54:56.360 but we couldn't afford

00:54:57.480 his spending plans

00:54:58.700 anyway is the point

00:54:59.380 those are just an overview

00:55:00.440 of his policies

00:55:00.880 but as you say Bo

00:55:01.800 and as Nick Buckley

00:55:02.600 put it quite well here

00:55:03.840 oh no

00:55:04.980 that's Tom Slater

00:55:05.680 well fair

00:55:07.640 Tom Slater made

00:55:08.420 an interesting point

00:55:09.020 that he

00:55:10.480 Burnham claims to be like

00:55:12.640 oh I'm not really

00:55:13.260 Mr Westminster

00:55:14.320 blah de blah

00:55:15.040 but actually

00:55:16.140 he is much more

00:55:17.260 Westminster than he claims

00:55:18.000 as you've also said

00:55:18.840 Andy Burnham

00:55:19.600 a man who was so alienated

00:55:20.800 by Westminster

00:55:21.320 he worked in it for 20 years

00:55:22.840 no ideology beyond

00:55:24.280 his own career advancement

00:55:25.400 but he says lad a lot

00:55:26.460 and where's she

00:55:26.940 so obviously he's a breath

00:55:27.760 of fresh air

00:55:28.300 I think a lot of it is

00:55:29.380 that people in the

00:55:29.900 Westminster bubble

00:55:30.540 have never seen a northerner

00:55:31.760 and they're just sort of

00:55:33.060 baffled back

00:55:33.740 where's Angela Rayner

00:55:35.300 for him from

00:55:35.920 true

00:55:36.600 but she didn't do

00:55:37.520 very well

00:55:37.700 she's gone

00:55:38.100 so he's the new

00:55:38.700 northerner

00:55:39.080 they've only got two

00:55:39.820 one of them's gone

00:55:40.820 yeah yeah true

00:55:41.480 anyway but he does

00:55:42.420 play a lot on the

00:55:42.980 northern thing

00:55:43.480 but as you point out

00:55:44.520 Bo

00:55:44.800 and Nick Buckley

00:55:46.280 says a Blairite

00:55:47.360 a Brownite

00:55:47.820 a Corbynite

00:55:48.300 and a Starmite

00:55:48.840 walk into a

00:55:49.420 Manchester bar

00:55:50.020 the barman asks

00:55:50.780 what are you having Andy

00:55:51.660 so he's been all of them

00:55:53.240 at one time or another

00:55:54.080 and he still says

00:55:55.080 he'll work with Corbyn

00:55:56.040 so it's like

00:55:56.360 well what are you Andy

00:55:57.120 apart from an affable

00:55:58.320 bloke with a pint

00:55:59.560 and eyeliner

00:56:00.240 he won't leave

00:56:02.220 the ECHR

00:56:03.100 he says

00:56:03.520 right

00:56:04.460 party radical

00:56:05.920 nothing will change

00:56:07.140 so he's got

00:56:09.160 no intention

00:56:09.780 of stopping

00:56:10.260 us being invaded

00:56:11.740 so therefore

00:56:13.300 he's an enemy

00:56:14.020 as far as I'm concerned

00:56:15.260 so I don't care

00:56:16.600 that he's reasonably

00:56:17.260 affable

00:56:17.780 and he's just

00:56:18.860 going to carry on

00:56:19.540 not sure

00:56:19.920 he's going to aim

00:56:20.360 that you

00:56:20.740 he's just going to

00:56:22.140 carry on the new

00:56:22.680 labour agenda

00:56:23.260 as well

00:56:23.660 it's more of the same

00:56:25.060 he's Blair and Brown

00:56:26.140 to the core

00:56:26.940 with an additional thing

00:56:28.480 which is the northern

00:56:29.300 loyalty

00:56:29.700 which I can tell you

00:56:30.360 as a northerner

00:56:30.940 is pretty fierce

00:56:32.000 I mean to this day

00:56:32.640 I think of my home

00:56:33.560 as the lakes

00:56:34.060 I've lived in London

00:56:34.900 nearly 20 years

00:56:35.480 it's like

00:56:35.760 we are totally

00:56:36.940 ridiculously

00:56:37.700 think about how

00:56:38.400 tribal Liverpool is

00:56:39.200 it's virtually a separate

00:56:40.640 communist country

00:56:41.760 and Manchester

00:56:42.640 not quite as crazy

00:56:43.660 but still very fiercely

00:56:45.680 sort of wear Manchester

00:56:46.740 so he will get

00:56:48.200 big votes in the north

00:56:49.100 because that's just

00:56:49.600 just northern loyalty

00:56:50.620 it's just how it is

00:56:51.420 so that is an advantage

00:56:52.360 but can he overcome

00:56:53.240 the southern prejudice

00:56:54.020 probably not

00:56:56.000 there we go

00:56:56.680 I hate to say

00:56:57.380 but in the interest of time

00:56:58.280 we've got to move on

00:56:58.860 I'll just very quickly

00:56:59.580 end then

00:56:59.920 because someone

00:57:00.880 on your point

00:57:01.640 the big issue

00:57:02.100 of Andy Burnham

00:57:02.580 is that he's a

00:57:03.080 political equivalent

00:57:03.620 of this haircut

00:57:04.280 attempted

00:57:05.040 accepted in Manchester

00:57:06.140 but it's an object

00:57:06.700 of ridicule

00:57:07.180 everywhere else

00:57:07.620 I don't understand

00:57:08.860 why Mancunians

00:57:10.140 have haircuts

00:57:10.800 like this

00:57:11.160 they have coats

00:57:11.760 because it's always raining

00:57:12.500 they have like

00:57:12.920 really white trainers

00:57:13.880 they're proud of

00:57:14.480 and they have

00:57:14.900 this haircut

00:57:15.580 did Oasis

00:57:16.780 do this to them

00:57:17.800 it's Paul Weller that

00:57:18.900 yeah that Paul

00:57:19.640 wearer

00:57:20.060 Noel Gallagher

00:57:20.740 yeah

00:57:21.140 it's like

00:57:21.700 I've only ever

00:57:22.800 I associate that haircut

00:57:23.980 with Oasis

00:57:24.440 I don't understand

00:57:25.660 why they do it

00:57:26.220 it's weird isn't it

00:57:26.780 anyway in closing

00:57:27.640 because we've got to end

00:57:28.340 I'm from the north

00:57:30.120 I say

00:57:30.600 I'm not an MP

00:57:31.340 and I don't understand economics

00:57:32.480 I think I have a decent chance

00:57:33.520 of becoming Labour leader

00:57:34.400 that's all I'm saying

00:57:35.220 that's what you need these days

00:57:36.220 not even an MP

00:57:37.200 as you said

00:57:37.800 alright that's my bit

00:57:39.140 good luck to you

00:57:40.400 right sorry

00:57:41.080 pass the mouse

00:57:42.460 I'll quickly go through

00:57:44.520 a couple of

00:57:45.000 soup chats

00:57:45.520 that have come in

00:57:46.500 I tend to view Farah

00:57:50.020 as a bit like

00:57:50.480 Admiral Kolchak

00:57:51.400 isolated, flawed

00:57:52.600 bad at making

00:57:53.240 and keeping allies

00:57:53.860 but still enormously

00:57:54.540 preferable to the Bolsheviks

00:57:55.740 yes

00:57:56.760 that's basically it

00:57:58.120 isn't it

00:57:58.860 but yeah

00:58:00.480 apparently

00:58:01.020 Raja Mir

00:58:02.500 says he has evidence

00:58:03.520 of Andy being involved

00:58:04.300 in the cover up

00:58:04.760 of the grooming gangs

00:58:05.380 no idea

00:58:05.960 but I'm sure

00:58:07.040 it will come out

00:58:07.500 if and when

00:58:08.060 it does

00:58:08.800 and

00:58:10.000 put the handbags away

00:58:11.400 what are you talking about

00:58:12.240 like Bo's

00:58:13.840 criticism of his eyeliner

00:58:14.980 is completely legitimate

00:58:15.860 please go on

00:58:17.600 there's some pictures

00:58:18.620 of Andy Burnham

00:58:19.420 where it's like

00:58:20.280 dude are you

00:58:20.800 same with J.D. Vance

00:58:21.800 it looks

00:58:22.300 yeah

00:58:22.620 they're probably not

00:58:23.460 they've probably just got

00:58:23.980 really thick eyelashes

00:58:25.080 but it looks

00:58:26.120 oh I don't know

00:58:26.760 what are you going to do

00:58:27.820 alright

00:58:28.680 so

00:58:29.300 have you heard

00:58:31.000 that

00:58:32.060 former

00:58:33.100 FBI director

00:58:34.400 Jim Comey

00:58:35.380 has been

00:58:36.960 indicted

00:58:37.600 on a couple of

00:58:38.280 different counts

00:58:38.940 by a grand jury

00:58:39.840 in America

00:58:40.280 have you seen this

00:58:40.780 have you heard about this

00:58:41.360 so is this Trump

00:58:42.000 actually doing something

00:58:42.960 against his political enemies

00:58:44.080 yeah

00:58:44.360 right

00:58:44.900 yeah

00:58:45.320 I heard a lot of people

00:58:46.520 complaining that

00:58:47.160 actually he wasn't

00:58:47.840 going after his enemies

00:58:48.620 well not quickly enough

00:58:50.240 so one of the things

00:58:51.820 he said

00:58:52.280 recently did a tweet

00:58:53.840 on Truth Social

00:58:54.920 saying

00:58:56.060 giving Pam Bondi

00:58:58.900 the hurry up

00:59:00.020 oh here we go

00:59:01.660 so yeah

00:59:02.540 this was only a few days ago

00:59:03.620 a couple of days ago

00:59:04.340 he says

00:59:05.080 Pam

00:59:05.360 I've reviewed

00:59:05.880 I've reviewed

00:59:05.900 over 30 statements

00:59:06.880 and posts

00:59:07.440 saying that

00:59:08.140 essentially

00:59:08.540 at the

00:59:09.920 Department of Justice

00:59:11.840 same old story

00:59:12.940 as last time

00:59:13.560 all talk

00:59:13.980 no action

00:59:14.500 nothing is being done

00:59:15.660 what about Comey

00:59:16.700 Adam

00:59:17.040 Shifty Shift

00:59:17.800 Letitia

00:59:18.600 they're all guilty as hell

00:59:20.160 and then it's Trump

00:59:20.880 again

00:59:20.980 this is

00:59:21.280 they're all guilty as hell

00:59:22.660 but nothing is going to be done

00:59:24.200 then we almost put in a Democrat

00:59:26.700 oh he goes on to talk about

00:59:27.660 how

00:59:28.020 they're guilty as hell

00:59:29.100 how the Department of Justice

00:59:31.220 isn't taking down

00:59:33.060 the likes of Comey

00:59:33.920 and Schiff

00:59:34.380 right

00:59:34.760 so get your ass in gear

00:59:36.160 but this is great

00:59:36.980 because it shows us

00:59:38.240 exactly what the problem is

00:59:39.240 right

00:59:39.440 because a lot of people

00:59:40.480 in the activist space

00:59:41.560 are like

00:59:41.940 Trump isn't actually

00:59:43.080 persecuting his opponents

00:59:44.260 why not

00:59:45.060 we want him to actually

00:59:46.080 go after them

00:59:46.680 and Trump himself

00:59:47.660 is like

00:59:47.980 why are we not

00:59:48.860 persecuting our opponents

00:59:49.760 why don't we go

00:59:50.780 so the problem is

00:59:51.560 obviously the layer in between

00:59:52.580 so he should basically

00:59:53.260 threaten

00:59:53.540 look do it by tomorrow

00:59:54.560 I'll fire you

00:59:55.280 that's what he should be doing

00:59:56.980 almost

00:59:57.940 it's sort of threatening

00:59:58.780 her or chiding her

00:59:59.800 yeah

01:00:00.080 get it done

01:00:01.160 get it done

01:00:01.700 in front of millions of people

01:00:02.720 and so

01:00:03.860 a grand jury

01:00:04.800 which

01:00:05.800 you know

01:00:06.220 we don't have grand juries

01:00:07.080 in Britain

01:00:07.520 but it is a jury

01:00:08.820 in the sense that

01:00:09.460 it's a bunch of normal people

01:00:10.840 just completely normal citizens

01:00:12.080 so the idea that

01:00:13.620 that somehow

01:00:14.500 Trump

01:00:15.140 has got Comey

01:00:17.620 on trial

01:00:18.860 it's like

01:00:19.380 well

01:00:19.560 not really

01:00:20.440 he can put pressure on

01:00:21.380 Pam Bondi

01:00:22.080 and she can

01:00:23.460 you know

01:00:24.080 instigate a grand jury

01:00:25.440 but then ultimately

01:00:26.160 it's up to these

01:00:26.960 normal people

01:00:27.920 to decide whether

01:00:28.740 Comey's got

01:00:29.760 questions to answer

01:00:30.820 or not

01:00:31.200 at a full trial

01:00:31.780 and they decided

01:00:32.420 it was

01:00:33.440 great

01:00:33.880 so anyway

01:00:34.360 he came out

01:00:34.880 let's watch a few seconds

01:00:35.660 of what his sort of

01:00:36.380 response to this was

01:00:37.260 my family and I

01:00:38.400 have known for years

01:00:39.380 that there are costs

01:00:40.620 to standing up to

01:00:42.000 Donald Trump

01:00:42.560 but we couldn't imagine

01:00:44.720 ourselves living

01:00:45.740 any other way

01:00:46.620 we will not live

01:00:48.380 on our knees

01:00:49.080 and you shouldn't

01:00:50.460 either

01:00:50.740 somebody that I

01:00:52.720 love dearly

01:00:53.640 recently said

01:00:54.520 that fear

01:00:55.380 is the tool

01:00:56.220 of a tyrant

01:00:56.960 and she's

01:00:58.300 right

01:00:58.660 but I'm

01:01:00.280 not afraid

01:01:00.820 and I hope

01:01:02.120 you're not

01:01:02.420 either

01:01:02.720 I hope

01:01:04.060 instead

01:01:04.400 you are

01:01:04.940 engaged

01:01:05.720 you are

01:01:06.600 paying attention

01:01:07.400 and you

01:01:08.400 will vote

01:01:09.020 like your

01:01:10.060 beloved country

01:01:10.920 depends upon

01:01:12.160 it

01:01:12.400 which it

01:01:13.260 does

01:01:13.560 my heart

01:01:15.620 is broken

01:01:16.200 for the

01:01:17.000 Department of

01:01:17.480 Justice

01:01:17.780 but I have

01:01:19.200 great confidence

01:01:19.880 in the federal

01:01:20.640 judicial system

01:01:21.500 and I'm

01:01:22.400 innocent

01:01:22.680 so let's

01:01:24.000 have a trial

01:01:24.640 and keep

01:01:26.000 didn't you

01:01:26.360 spy on

01:01:26.980 Trump's

01:01:27.320 campaign

01:01:27.780 probably not

01:01:28.800 innocent

01:01:29.140 almost

01:01:29.740 almost

01:01:30.260 certainly

01:01:30.580 not

01:01:30.840 innocent

01:01:31.120 but okay

01:01:31.700 okay James

01:01:32.400 if you say

01:01:32.880 so

01:01:33.140 all right

01:01:34.260 so what

01:01:34.860 is what

01:01:35.280 is it

01:01:35.640 actually that

01:01:36.300 he's being

01:01:36.720 charged with

01:01:37.260 and stuff

01:01:37.580 like that

01:01:37.860 so it's

01:01:38.160 one count

01:01:38.640 of making

01:01:38.980 false

01:01:39.320 statements

01:01:39.760 and another

01:01:40.320 of obstruction

01:01:41.260 of justice

01:01:41.900 so it's

01:01:43.040 basically

01:01:43.420 lying under

01:01:44.320 a perjury

01:01:45.020 in

01:01:46.620 in

01:01:47.300 when you're

01:01:48.540 speaking to

01:01:48.920 Congress

01:01:49.200 in September

01:01:49.860 2020

01:01:50.540 he stood

01:01:52.400 by statements

01:01:52.920 he'd made

01:01:53.300 a few years

01:01:53.900 earlier

01:01:54.280 and it seems

01:01:55.040 like those

01:01:55.520 were liars

01:01:56.260 right

01:01:56.680 so that's

01:01:57.580 that's a type

01:01:58.540 of perjury

01:01:58.920 or it's just

01:01:59.240 lying under

01:01:59.840 a misleading

01:02:00.480 well sorry

01:02:01.140 obstruction of

01:02:01.880 justice and

01:02:02.360 false statements

01:02:03.020 so even if he

01:02:04.080 is found guilty

01:02:04.720 of this he

01:02:05.100 will only be

01:02:05.500 looking at

01:02:05.860 something like

01:02:07.460 five years

01:02:08.220 not like

01:02:08.700 20 years

01:02:09.340 not the end

01:02:09.760 of the world

01:02:10.100 but it's

01:02:10.400 something

01:02:10.660 but yeah

01:02:11.480 so okay

01:02:13.720 where to begin

01:02:14.420 the story

01:02:14.960 because it is

01:02:15.360 a bit of a

01:02:15.800 sordid

01:02:16.360 winding and

01:02:17.400 wending

01:02:17.800 story

01:02:18.460 how do we

01:02:19.160 get to this

01:02:19.580 place

01:02:19.780 well it

01:02:20.300 goes all

01:02:20.620 the way

01:02:20.840 back to

01:02:21.560 Trump's

01:02:22.340 first

01:02:22.640 attempt to

01:02:23.960 become

01:02:24.220 president

01:02:24.760 in 2016

01:02:25.620 if you remember

01:02:26.800 there was a

01:02:27.140 thing

01:02:27.340 crossfire

01:02:28.000 hurricane

01:02:28.420 they called

01:02:29.080 it

01:02:29.320 remember the

01:02:30.140 steel dossier

01:02:31.060 i.e

01:02:32.080 this dossier

01:02:32.960 yeah

01:02:33.620 i.e

01:02:34.340 Obama and

01:02:35.420 Hillary

01:02:35.680 and perhaps

01:02:36.980 probably

01:02:37.460 James Comey

01:02:38.180 sitting in a

01:02:39.040 room

01:02:39.340 saying

01:02:39.900 how are we

01:02:40.500 going to

01:02:40.720 destroy

01:02:41.040 Trump

01:02:41.460 how are we

01:02:41.800 going to

01:02:41.960 make sure

01:02:42.440 Hillary wins

01:02:43.220 in 16

01:02:44.280 how are we

01:02:44.980 going to

01:02:45.160 destroy him

01:02:45.740 and so

01:02:46.660 actually

01:02:47.160 with some

01:02:47.460 help of

01:02:47.780 British

01:02:48.560 intelligence

01:02:49.000 services

01:02:49.380 they came

01:02:49.900 up with

01:02:50.080 the

01:02:50.200 steel

01:02:50.380 dossier

01:02:50.900 Christopher

01:02:51.320 steel

01:02:51.680 yeah

01:02:52.300 talk about

01:02:52.860 incompetence

01:02:53.500 by the way

01:02:53.960 yeah that

01:02:54.380 worked didn't

01:02:54.880 it

01:02:55.000 only one twice

01:02:56.060 and start

01:02:57.060 the whole

01:02:57.380 only twice

01:02:58.100 is it

01:02:58.440 two to three

01:03:00.160 times

01:03:00.600 and just a

01:03:01.860 slight aside

01:03:02.540 but isn't

01:03:02.940 crossfire

01:03:03.380 hurricane

01:03:03.740 such a

01:03:04.320 boomer

01:03:04.880 thing to

01:03:05.680 call it

01:03:06.000 anyway

01:03:06.200 that's of

01:03:06.520 no real

01:03:06.800 importance

01:03:07.120 you can just

01:03:10.400 imagine like

01:03:10.920 Hillary Clinton

01:03:11.340 let's call it

01:03:12.020 crossfire

01:03:12.560 hurricane

01:03:13.080 yes

01:03:14.120 love it

01:03:15.520 we're going

01:03:16.340 to take

01:03:16.660 him down

01:03:17.120 okay so

01:03:19.700 in that

01:03:21.140 you know

01:03:22.180 Comey was

01:03:23.360 sort of a

01:03:23.800 key part

01:03:24.200 he was the

01:03:24.820 head

01:03:24.980 he was

01:03:25.280 Obama's

01:03:25.940 head of

01:03:26.200 the FBI

01:03:26.620 he was at

01:03:27.660 the top

01:03:27.900 of the FBI

01:03:28.380 so if

01:03:28.760 anyone was

01:03:29.180 going to

01:03:29.880 essentially

01:03:30.660 you can

01:03:31.440 imagine that

01:03:32.060 Hillary and

01:03:32.660 Obama say

01:03:33.300 to him

01:03:34.360 Comey

01:03:34.860 get stuff

01:03:36.240 on Trump

01:03:36.760 and if there

01:03:37.320 isn't anything

01:03:37.920 make it up

01:03:39.480 essentially

01:03:40.600 essentially

01:03:41.420 this was very

01:03:42.160 much I remember

01:03:42.740 Trump turning

01:03:43.660 on him but this

01:03:44.080 being like very

01:03:44.600 much the era

01:03:45.020 where Trump

01:03:45.400 was working

01:03:45.880 with all his

01:03:46.380 enemies because

01:03:46.940 he didn't

01:03:47.180 really understand

01:03:47.860 the system

01:03:49.100 that 2016

01:03:50.380 first term

01:03:51.120 he left Comey

01:03:51.800 in charge of

01:03:52.180 the FBI for a

01:03:52.840 while

01:03:53.200 when he was in

01:03:54.400 his first term

01:03:54.900 didn't he?

01:03:55.120 A little bit

01:03:55.500 yeah it was

01:03:55.860 months before

01:03:56.420 he actually

01:03:56.720 got around to

01:03:57.200 firing him

01:03:57.280 That should have

01:03:57.780 been day one

01:03:58.260 and notice

01:04:00.560 in the second

01:04:02.500 term

01:04:02.780 Cash Patel

01:04:03.800 straight away

01:04:04.600 in

01:04:04.780 he immediately

01:04:05.960 put his guys

01:04:06.580 in charge

01:04:07.100 understanding that

01:04:08.100 you just can't

01:04:08.560 leave the previous

01:04:09.440 ones in

01:04:09.820 and so to continue

01:04:11.180 the narrative

01:04:11.540 once Trump

01:04:12.060 get in

01:04:12.360 it was a few

01:04:12.920 weeks or

01:04:13.880 months before

01:04:14.180 he got rid

01:04:14.460 of Comey

01:04:14.780 but then

01:04:15.040 he got rid

01:04:15.320 of Comey

01:04:15.720 and Comey

01:04:16.000 becomes like

01:04:16.640 an arch

01:04:17.300 going on

01:04:17.760 like the

01:04:18.080 view and

01:04:18.500 stuff

01:04:18.760 and just

01:04:19.060 constantly

01:04:19.500 caning

01:04:20.260 Trump

01:04:20.520 but okay

01:04:21.000 you can

01:04:21.240 expect that

01:04:21.700 I suppose

01:04:22.140 but then

01:04:23.120 so Mueller

01:04:24.020 Robert Mueller

01:04:24.660 there was

01:04:25.000 that report

01:04:25.500 that took

01:04:25.860 ages to

01:04:26.360 come out

01:04:26.780 to find

01:04:27.180 out

01:04:27.360 was there

01:04:27.740 anything

01:04:27.960 true

01:04:28.560 to

01:04:29.000 the

01:04:29.720 Steele

01:04:30.020 dossier

01:04:30.480 and all

01:04:30.760 that sort

01:04:31.060 of thing

01:04:31.220 was Trump

01:04:31.960 truly

01:04:33.300 some sort

01:04:34.040 of Putin

01:04:34.600 Manchurian

01:04:35.280 candidate

01:04:35.820 Russia

01:04:37.100 Russia

01:04:37.480 yeah

01:04:37.880 and Mueller

01:04:38.720 comes out

01:04:39.140 and eventually

01:04:39.640 says basically

01:04:40.420 there's nothing

01:04:40.760 there

01:04:41.080 you know

01:04:42.240 which was

01:04:42.580 a real pain

01:04:43.500 to the

01:04:44.120 MSNBC

01:04:44.920 CNN

01:04:45.400 types

01:04:46.060 you know

01:04:47.720 like

01:04:48.000 Rachel Maddow

01:04:48.800 most affected

01:04:49.360 yeah

01:04:49.580 Rachel Maddow

01:04:50.280 most affected

01:04:50.780 yeah

01:04:51.160 and then after

01:04:51.980 that there

01:04:52.300 was the

01:04:52.780 the Durham

01:04:53.680 John Durham

01:04:54.200 investigation

01:04:55.100 so like

01:04:55.900 if there was

01:04:56.320 nothing there

01:04:56.800 how did any

01:04:57.340 of this even

01:04:57.760 really happen

01:04:58.400 and they go

01:04:59.280 into that

01:04:59.500 and he sort

01:04:59.960 of a little

01:05:01.380 bit wishy-washy

01:05:02.020 in my opinion

01:05:02.460 says yeah

01:05:03.260 the FBI

01:05:03.600 probably should

01:05:04.220 have realised

01:05:04.620 they were

01:05:04.860 dealing with

01:05:05.300 Duff

01:05:05.500 information

01:05:05.980 and we'll

01:05:06.700 leave it at

01:05:07.040 that right

01:05:07.420 and by now

01:05:08.220 it's all

01:05:08.560 by this time

01:05:09.560 nearly

01:05:10.360 there's like

01:05:11.040 well obviously

01:05:12.000 during the

01:05:12.420 Biden years

01:05:13.120 they don't

01:05:14.360 prosecute

01:05:15.160 Comey

01:05:15.680 and others

01:05:16.120 like him

01:05:16.500 because of

01:05:16.900 course they

01:05:17.180 don't

01:05:17.640 because it's

01:05:18.240 Biden

01:05:18.500 he's their

01:05:18.900 guy

01:05:19.140 obviously

01:05:19.520 but now

01:05:20.120 we're back

01:05:20.480 in second

01:05:21.120 Trump

01:05:21.460 we're now

01:05:22.040 in 47

01:05:22.500 so he's

01:05:24.260 going after

01:05:24.660 and even

01:05:25.160 then

01:05:25.640 Bondi

01:05:27.100 and the

01:05:27.440 like

01:05:27.760 were like

01:05:28.360 dragging their

01:05:29.660 feet

01:05:29.860 dragging their

01:05:30.440 feet

01:05:30.760 so he had

01:05:31.900 to actually

01:05:32.380 sort of

01:05:32.960 you know

01:05:33.700 push on it

01:05:34.500 a bit

01:05:34.840 so we've

01:05:36.300 got

01:05:36.600 Kash Patel

01:05:37.240 here

01:05:37.540 saying

01:05:38.140 today

01:05:38.420 I think

01:05:38.660 this was

01:05:38.940 only yesterday

01:05:39.560 or is it

01:05:39.880 even today

01:05:40.460 yesterday

01:05:40.820 Patel

01:05:42.120 comes out

01:05:42.560 and says

01:05:42.920 today your

01:05:43.700 FBI took

01:05:44.220 another step

01:05:44.820 in its promise

01:05:45.660 of full

01:05:46.000 accountability

01:05:46.460 for far too

01:05:47.240 long

01:05:47.440 previous corrupt

01:05:48.140 leadership

01:05:48.560 and their

01:05:49.220 enablers

01:05:49.640 weaponised

01:05:50.160 federal law

01:05:50.720 enforcement

01:05:51.100 damaging

01:05:51.900 once proud

01:05:52.540 institutions

01:05:53.160 and severely

01:05:53.880 eroding

01:05:54.200 public trust

01:05:54.900 every day

01:05:55.580 you get it

01:05:56.200 you go on

01:05:56.540 and on

01:05:56.740 on

01:05:57.180 and

01:05:57.680 Bondi

01:05:58.840 made

01:05:59.280 similar

01:06:00.300 sort

01:06:00.660 of

01:06:00.820 noises

01:06:01.260 no one

01:06:01.940 is above

01:06:02.220 the law

01:06:02.600 today's

01:06:03.540 indictment

01:06:03.960 reflects

01:06:04.380 this

01:06:04.580 department

01:06:04.900 of

01:06:05.080 justice's

01:06:05.520 commitment

01:06:05.820 to holding

01:06:06.460 those who

01:06:06.840 abuse

01:06:07.200 positions

01:06:08.200 of power

01:06:08.640 accountable

01:06:09.080 for misleading

01:06:10.060 the American

01:06:10.520 people

01:06:10.880 we will follow

01:06:11.660 the facts

01:06:12.000 in the case

01:06:12.360 okay

01:06:12.740 great

01:06:13.340 so

01:06:13.880 yeah

01:06:14.640 right

01:06:15.260 like actually

01:06:16.060 something's

01:06:16.520 happening

01:06:16.920 beginning to

01:06:17.840 drain the

01:06:18.260 swamp

01:06:18.560 yeah

01:06:18.820 something's

01:06:19.620 actually

01:06:19.860 happening

01:06:20.220 to the

01:06:20.500 people

01:06:20.740 who did

01:06:21.120 something

01:06:21.400 wrong

01:06:21.800 yeah

01:06:22.220 fantastic

01:06:22.800 yeah

01:06:23.760 yeah

01:06:24.300 so it was

01:06:25.260 a series

01:06:25.600 of memos

01:06:26.100 Mr.

01:06:26.360 Comey

01:06:26.820 detailing

01:06:27.660 his

01:06:27.920 conversations

01:06:28.420 with

01:06:28.800 Trump

01:06:29.160 were

01:06:29.660 disclosed

01:06:30.120 to the

01:06:30.400 media

01:06:30.600 in

01:06:30.800 2017

01:06:31.480 so

01:06:32.460 he

01:06:34.000 went

01:06:34.280 before

01:06:34.820 a

01:06:36.940 congressional

01:06:37.380 committee

01:06:37.860 in

01:06:38.120 2017

01:06:38.860 and

01:06:40.500 just

01:06:41.960 basically

01:06:42.660 didn't

01:06:43.900 really tell

01:06:44.320 the truth

01:06:44.800 I mean

01:06:45.660 let's watch

01:06:46.020 a few

01:06:46.220 seconds

01:06:46.480 of this

01:06:46.760 just to

01:06:47.060 give you

01:06:47.280 an idea

01:06:47.800 oops

01:06:48.740 what

01:06:48.980 happened

01:06:49.180 there

01:06:49.420 can we

01:06:50.060 get that

01:06:50.280 back up

01:06:50.640 please

01:06:50.820 Samson

01:06:51.080 play that

01:06:53.460 yeah

01:06:56.820 do you

01:07:01.520 solemnly swear

01:07:02.240 to tell

01:07:02.560 the truth

01:07:03.080 the whole

01:07:03.640 truth

01:07:04.020 and nothing

01:07:04.420 but the

01:07:04.780 truth

01:07:05.020 so help

01:07:05.400 you God

01:07:05.780 please be

01:07:06.940 seated

01:07:07.180 do you have

01:07:08.920 any doubt

01:07:09.700 that Russia

01:07:11.680 attempted to

01:07:12.560 interfere in the

01:07:13.400 2016 elections

01:07:14.760 none

01:07:15.420 there should be

01:07:16.280 no fuzz on this

01:07:17.240 whatsoever

01:07:17.720 the Russians

01:07:18.720 interfered

01:07:20.580 in our election

01:07:21.420 during the 2016

01:07:22.480 cycle

01:07:23.060 they did

01:07:23.580 it

01:07:23.740 with

01:07:23.940 purpose

01:07:24.400 they did

01:07:24.760 it

01:07:24.860 with

01:07:24.980 sophistication

01:07:25.820 they did

01:07:26.460 it

01:07:26.580 with

01:07:26.780 overwhelming

01:07:27.760 technical

01:07:28.700 efforts

01:07:29.140 and

01:07:30.260 it

01:07:30.800 was an

01:07:31.060 active

01:07:31.400 measures

01:07:31.760 campaign

01:07:32.240 driven

01:07:32.560 from the

01:07:32.920 top

01:07:33.160 of that

01:07:33.400 government

01:07:33.680 there

01:07:33.940 is no

01:07:34.360 fuzz

01:07:34.660 on that

01:07:34.980 it's

01:07:35.220 not

01:07:35.440 about

01:07:35.620 republicans

01:07:36.120 or democrats

01:07:36.600 they're

01:07:36.880 coming

01:07:37.200 after

01:07:37.520 America

01:07:38.060 which I

01:07:38.420 hope

01:07:38.580 we all

01:07:39.000 love

01:07:39.320 equally

01:07:39.960 they

01:07:40.960 want

01:07:41.320 to

01:07:41.480 undermine

01:07:41.900 our

01:07:42.180 credibility

01:07:42.660 in the

01:07:42.980 face

01:07:43.200 of the

01:07:43.440 world

01:07:43.700 they

01:07:43.940 think

01:07:44.280 that

01:07:44.500 this

01:07:44.780 great

01:07:45.080 experiment

01:07:45.560 of

01:07:45.820 ours

01:07:46.140 is

01:07:46.360 a

01:07:46.480 threat

01:07:46.780 to

01:07:46.960 them

01:07:47.180 and

01:07:47.620 so

01:07:53.060 because

01:07:53.700 we

01:07:53.920 remain

01:07:54.420 as

01:07:55.240 difficult

01:07:55.880 as we

01:07:56.260 can

01:07:56.380 be

01:07:56.520 with

01:07:56.680 each

01:07:56.840 other

01:07:56.980 we

01:07:57.200 remain

01:07:57.700 that

01:07:57.960 shining

01:07:58.300 city

01:07:58.620 on the

01:07:58.920 hill

01:07:59.140 and

01:07:59.660 they

01:07:59.820 don't

01:07:59.980 like

01:08:00.220 it

01:08:00.380 after

01:08:00.880 that

01:08:01.200 briefing

01:08:01.720 you

01:08:02.780 felt

01:08:03.060 compelled

01:08:03.720 to

01:08:04.960 document

01:08:05.520 that

01:08:05.960 conversation

01:08:07.120 that

01:08:07.380 you

01:08:07.820 actually

01:08:08.000 started

01:08:08.280 documenting

01:08:08.780 it

01:08:09.020 as soon

01:08:09.260 as you

01:08:09.540 got

01:08:10.440 into

01:08:10.640 the

01:08:10.820 car

01:08:11.080 I

01:08:11.760 was

01:08:11.920 honestly

01:08:12.180 concerned

01:08:12.660 that he

01:08:12.920 might

01:08:13.100 lie

01:08:13.340 about

01:08:13.560 the

01:08:13.700 nature

01:08:13.920 of

01:08:14.060 our

01:08:14.180 meeting

01:08:14.480 and

01:08:14.900 so

01:08:15.060 I

01:08:15.180 thought

01:08:15.360 it

01:08:15.460 really

01:08:15.640 important

01:08:16.000 to

01:08:16.160 document

01:08:16.540 this

01:08:17.020 was

01:08:17.140 the

01:08:17.240 only

01:08:17.400 president

01:08:23.060 using

01:08:23.660 your

01:08:23.880 words

01:08:24.200 he

01:08:24.340 might

01:08:24.500 put

01:08:24.700 out

01:08:24.900 a

01:08:25.840 non-truthful

01:08:26.760 representation

01:08:27.880 of that

01:08:28.340 meeting

01:08:28.600 that's

01:08:29.720 right

01:08:30.120 senator

01:08:30.340 and

01:08:30.500 I

01:08:30.680 okay

01:08:31.640 so

01:08:32.600 this is

01:08:34.060 the crux

01:08:34.860 out of

01:08:35.120 the many

01:08:35.480 liars

01:08:36.140 and the

01:08:36.780 many

01:08:37.000 sort of

01:08:37.480 probably

01:08:37.780 criminal

01:08:38.140 things

01:08:38.560 that

01:08:38.760 James

01:08:39.020 Comey

01:08:39.460 has

01:08:39.900 done

01:08:40.220 the

01:08:40.840 thing

01:08:41.000 that

01:08:41.120 they're

01:08:41.300 getting

01:08:41.580 him

01:08:41.860 on

01:08:42.100 here

01:08:42.560 is

01:08:43.220 that

01:08:43.500 back

01:08:43.900 in

01:08:44.100 that

01:08:44.320 window

01:08:44.700 in

01:08:44.940 2016

01:08:45.500 2017

01:08:46.180 he

01:08:46.940 had

01:08:47.160 meetings

01:08:47.920 with

01:08:48.360 Trump

01:08:48.760 and

01:08:49.560 then

01:08:49.760 he

01:08:49.960 went

01:08:50.200 on

01:08:50.520 to

01:08:51.020 tell

01:08:52.060 someone

01:08:52.480 probably

01:08:53.060 McCabe

01:08:53.620 his

01:08:54.260 deputy

01:08:54.600 he

01:08:55.260 went

01:08:55.400 on

01:08:55.540 to

01:08:55.640 tell

01:08:55.800 some

01:08:56.080 people

01:08:56.440 what

01:08:56.800 was

01:08:57.040 being

01:08:57.260 said

01:08:57.680 and

01:08:58.140 they

01:08:58.380 leaked

01:08:58.740 it

01:08:59.000 to

01:08:59.180 the

01:08:59.320 press

01:08:59.700 and

01:09:01.160 then

01:09:01.420 later

01:09:01.900 he

01:09:02.900 said

01:09:03.360 he

01:09:03.500 didn't

01:09:03.880 do

01:09:04.080 that

01:09:04.360 right

01:09:04.780 and

01:09:05.620 that's

01:09:05.920 that's

01:09:06.280 a

01:09:06.400 liar

01:09:06.620 I mean

01:09:06.900 again

01:09:07.160 out of

01:09:07.440 all

01:09:07.680 the

01:09:07.860 lies

01:09:08.060 very

01:09:08.300 trivial

01:09:08.680 right

01:09:09.900 to me

01:09:10.260 you always

01:09:10.660 sound

01:09:11.100 suspect

01:09:11.360 when you

01:09:11.620 start

01:09:11.800 going

01:09:12.000 look

01:09:12.260 that

01:09:12.520 shining

01:09:12.900 city

01:09:13.260 on

01:09:13.440 the

01:09:13.580 hill

01:09:13.820 and

01:09:14.020 like

01:09:14.180 all

01:09:14.380 this

01:09:14.540 sort

01:09:14.700 of

01:09:14.780 just

01:09:15.240 give

01:09:15.400 us

01:09:15.520 the

01:09:15.640 facts

01:09:15.940 why

01:09:23.060 are

01:09:24.460 they

01:09:24.620 that

01:09:24.800 good

01:09:25.020 though

01:09:25.320 I'm

01:09:25.900 not

01:09:26.020 sure

01:09:26.160 they're

01:09:26.300 that

01:09:26.380 good

01:09:26.640 there's

01:09:27.440 all sorts

01:09:27.700 of other

01:09:27.960 details

01:09:28.320 about

01:09:28.640 Michael

01:09:29.000 Flynn

01:09:29.360 and

01:09:30.180 we

01:09:31.100 won't

01:09:31.280 get

01:09:31.380 into

01:09:31.500 it

01:09:31.560 but

01:09:31.680 Reuters

01:09:32.080 put it

01:09:32.960 quite

01:09:33.420 well

01:09:33.720 under

01:09:35.120 an

01:09:35.840 article

01:09:36.100 they wrote

01:09:36.500 what is

01:09:37.620 Comey

01:09:37.860 actually

01:09:38.120 accused

01:09:38.400 of

01:09:38.520 lying

01:09:38.700 about

01:09:38.880 they

01:09:39.040 said

01:09:39.140 US

01:09:39.360 prosecutors

01:09:39.880 alleged

01:09:40.620 Comey

01:09:40.980 made

01:09:41.220 false

01:09:41.480 statements

01:09:41.980 when

01:09:42.480 he

01:09:42.660 stood

01:09:43.320 behind

01:09:44.040 2017

01:09:45.220 Senate

01:09:46.240 testimony

01:09:47.180 in which

01:09:48.020 he said

01:09:48.360 he did

01:09:48.740 not

01:09:48.900 disclose

01:09:49.300 or

01:09:49.600 approve

01:09:50.060 the

01:09:50.240 disclosure

01:09:50.640 of

01:09:50.960 information

01:09:51.440 in the

01:09:52.140 news media

01:09:52.640 the FBI

01:09:53.400 investigations

01:09:54.180 into

01:09:55.000 either

01:09:55.840 Trump

01:09:56.260 or his

01:09:56.580 2016

01:09:57.180 opponent

01:09:58.260 Hillary

01:10:00.000 Clinton

01:10:00.640 and

01:10:01.400 in

01:10:01.760 2020

01:10:02.960 he said

01:10:03.560 I stand

01:10:04.240 by the

01:10:04.560 testimony

01:10:04.920 you summarised

01:10:05.680 that I

01:10:05.960 gave

01:10:06.240 in May

01:10:06.760 2017

01:10:08.000 boom

01:10:09.440 that's

01:10:10.540 wrong

01:10:11.080 that's

01:10:11.300 sort of

01:10:11.540 the federal

01:10:12.940 government

01:10:13.260 Pam Bondi's

01:10:13.940 Department of

01:10:14.540 Defence

01:10:14.780 are pretty

01:10:15.340 sure that's

01:10:15.880 a lie

01:10:16.180 and we

01:10:16.840 can get

01:10:17.100 you on

01:10:17.340 that

01:10:17.580 so that's

01:10:19.500 what it

01:10:19.760 is

01:10:20.120 that's

01:10:21.020 what's

01:10:21.180 going on

01:10:21.620 here

01:10:21.820 that's

01:10:22.800 what's

01:10:22.940 going

01:10:23.120 on

01:10:23.340 here

01:10:23.560 so

01:10:23.860 I mean

01:10:25.080 people

01:10:25.460 Trump's

01:10:26.000 quite funny

01:10:26.460 he just

01:10:26.720 calls him

01:10:27.060 like he's

01:10:27.260 a sick

01:10:27.520 man

01:10:27.860 he's

01:10:28.440 sick

01:10:28.680 he's

01:10:28.920 a bad

01:10:29.260 man

01:10:29.960 got another

01:10:32.360 clip here

01:10:33.040 I think it's

01:10:33.920 worth just

01:10:34.220 watching it's

01:10:34.600 not very

01:10:34.860 long

01:10:35.140 but this

01:10:35.940 so this

01:10:36.200 is from

01:10:36.500 this is the

01:10:36.940 2020

01:10:37.320 thing

01:10:37.820 it's being

01:10:38.340 done

01:10:38.560 remotely

01:10:39.000 because we're

01:10:39.420 in the

01:10:39.600 middle of

01:10:39.860 COVID

01:10:40.140 but let's

01:10:40.500 just watch

01:10:40.840 this is the

01:10:41.720 crux of it

01:10:42.240 can you turn

01:10:43.280 it up please

01:10:43.620 Samson

01:10:43.900 ask the

01:10:47.460 FBI to

01:10:48.240 investigate

01:10:48.860 the Trump

01:10:49.500 campaign

01:10:50.080 your answer

01:10:51.780 would be

01:10:52.740 not only

01:10:53.720 no but

01:10:55.720 hell no

01:10:56.420 did

01:10:57.240 President Obama

01:10:58.220 or Vice

01:10:58.860 President Biden

01:10:59.800 ever ask you

01:11:00.920 to investigate

01:11:02.080 a political

01:11:02.800 rival

01:11:03.380 or to go

01:11:04.520 easy on a

01:11:05.460 political rival

01:11:06.360 never

01:11:07.860 why would that

01:11:09.820 have been

01:11:10.240 problematic

01:11:10.960 because it

01:11:13.400 would compromise

01:11:14.060 the independence

01:11:15.500 of the Justice

01:11:16.200 Department and the

01:11:16.860 FBI's work

01:11:17.740 if it's a

01:11:18.740 criminal case

01:11:19.360 or a

01:11:19.680 counterintelligence

01:11:20.380 case

01:11:20.760 it would

01:11:21.400 introduce

01:11:21.800 politics

01:11:22.500 into what

01:11:23.080 should be

01:11:23.380 a fact

01:11:23.780 driven

01:11:24.000 process

01:11:24.640 are you

01:11:25.540 concerned

01:11:26.140 that Trump

01:11:27.080 will embrace

01:11:27.920 and use

01:11:28.700 Russian

01:11:29.360 interference

01:11:30.060 efforts

01:11:30.680 to his

01:11:31.380 advantage

01:11:32.340 excuse me

01:11:34.300 as he did

01:11:35.160 in 2016

01:11:36.380 well I'm a

01:11:38.480 private citizen

01:11:39.060 now so as a

01:11:39.660 private citizen

01:11:40.280 yes and he

01:11:41.080 said that he

01:11:41.820 would

01:11:42.160 how could the

01:11:43.420 director of the

01:11:44.280 FBI not know

01:11:45.680 all of this

01:11:46.700 how is it

01:11:48.340 possible that

01:11:49.160 the system

01:11:49.820 gathers so

01:11:50.760 much exculpatory

01:11:51.840 information

01:11:52.540 so he's asking

01:11:54.240 how did you not

01:11:55.760 know that the

01:11:56.200 Steele dossier

01:11:57.000 was bullshit

01:11:57.900 how did you

01:11:58.300 not know

01:11:58.480 it's an internet

01:11:58.780 rumor according

01:11:59.480 to the CIA

01:12:00.100 that the actual

01:12:01.940 interview of the

01:12:03.000 subsource disavows

01:12:04.200 the reliability

01:12:04.780 document

01:12:05.440 that the actual

01:12:06.080 subsource was

01:12:06.800 a specter

01:12:07.300 Russian spy

01:12:07.860 how could all

01:12:08.780 that happen

01:12:09.380 and not get

01:12:10.100 up to you

01:12:10.960 the director

01:12:11.840 of the FBI

01:12:12.600 of one of the

01:12:13.440 most important

01:12:14.000 investigations

01:12:14.620 in the history

01:12:15.620 of the FBI

01:12:16.440 how is that

01:12:17.320 possible

01:12:17.760 I can only

01:12:20.100 speculate because

01:12:20.920 it didn't

01:12:21.520 and as I said

01:12:22.200 the investigation

01:12:22.800 overall was

01:12:23.600 incredibly important

01:12:24.440 the piece you're

01:12:25.120 focused on is

01:12:26.100 obviously important

01:12:27.160 but a much

01:12:27.760 smaller slice

01:12:28.460 okay so I

01:12:30.660 mean it's a

01:12:30.940 pretty flimsy

01:12:31.520 thing yeah

01:12:32.240 isn't it really

01:12:32.960 so a tiny bit

01:12:35.560 more detail just

01:12:36.240 on the actual

01:12:36.660 charges then we'll

01:12:37.300 talk about the

01:12:38.180 wider implications

01:12:39.360 of all of this

01:12:39.940 the BBC says

01:12:40.960 the first count

01:12:41.960 relates to Mr.

01:12:42.660 Comey telling

01:12:43.200 the Senate Judiciary

01:12:44.040 Committee

01:12:44.400 that he had

01:12:45.480 quote authorised

01:12:46.480 someone else

01:12:47.080 at the FBI

01:12:47.640 to be an

01:12:48.140 anonymous source

01:12:48.820 in news reports

01:12:49.500 quote regarding

01:12:50.700 his conversations

01:12:51.460 with Trump

01:12:51.980 over the FBI

01:12:52.480 investigation into

01:12:53.400 whether Russia

01:12:54.000 meddled with the

01:12:54.800 2016 presidential

01:12:55.900 election the second

01:12:56.800 count alleges

01:12:58.060 that Mr.

01:12:58.660 Comey quote

01:12:59.300 did corruptly

01:13:00.280 endeavour to influence

01:13:01.300 obstruct and

01:13:02.040 impede the

01:13:03.400 Senate Judiciary

01:13:04.040 Committee investigation

01:13:04.860 by making

01:13:05.480 false statements

01:13:06.660 in it

01:13:07.180 so again a type

01:13:08.240 of perjury

01:13:08.780 just lying

01:13:09.480 under oath

01:13:09.960 all right

01:13:11.720 so yeah I guess

01:13:13.960 the wider thing

01:13:14.760 to talk about

01:13:15.340 then is because

01:13:16.400 all the

01:13:16.960 everyone's crawling

01:13:17.900 out of the

01:13:18.360 woodwork people

01:13:18.980 like Schumer

01:13:21.660 Chuck Schumer

01:13:22.200 everyone on the

01:13:22.860 left saying

01:13:23.620 this is just

01:13:24.280 Trump acting

01:13:25.580 as a tyrant

01:13:26.340 this is simply

01:13:28.320 this is simply

01:13:29.600 like lawfare

01:13:30.620 going too far

01:13:31.560 sorry do you

01:13:32.040 not remember

01:13:32.360 the four years

01:13:32.940 of lawfare

01:13:33.420 you conducted

01:13:34.020 against Trump

01:13:34.560 and all of his

01:13:35.180 allies

01:13:35.640 Bannon went to

01:13:37.340 jail

01:13:37.620 who was the

01:13:38.660 other guy

01:13:38.960 who went to

01:13:39.260 jail

01:13:39.400 hit Navarro

01:13:40.160 Navarro

01:13:40.600 there was another

01:13:41.020 guy as well

01:13:41.460 that I was

01:13:41.700 thinking of

01:13:42.260 well Rudy

01:13:43.700 Giuliani

01:13:44.140 was in some

01:13:45.160 sort of

01:13:45.440 yeah Rudy

01:13:46.060 Giuliani

01:13:46.520 was attacked

01:13:47.280 Roger Stone

01:13:48.480 that was it

01:13:49.020 when they

01:13:52.240 raid Mar-a-Lago

01:13:53.140 yeah they

01:13:53.680 raid Mar-a-Lago

01:13:54.320 for the same

01:13:54.880 crime that Biden

01:13:55.660 had done

01:13:56.160 it was like

01:13:56.820 Goodfellas

01:13:57.420 when they

01:13:57.660 just

01:13:58.060 that Robert

01:13:58.780 De Niro

01:13:59.020 just whack

01:14:00.420 them all

01:14:00.840 and then you

01:14:01.180 got the New

01:14:01.500 York Attorney

01:14:01.880 General who

01:14:02.460 was going

01:14:02.760 after his

01:14:03.120 properties

01:14:03.500 in New York

01:14:04.200 that's right

01:14:05.180 yeah

01:14:05.500 and so the

01:14:06.820 idea that they

01:14:07.380 can be like

01:14:07.780 well I mean

01:14:08.640 this is just

01:14:09.200 lawfare

01:14:09.720 it's like yeah

01:14:10.300 well I mean

01:14:10.960 maybe it is

01:14:11.540 but who did

01:14:12.220 this first

01:14:13.100 and also

01:14:13.680 who did it

01:14:14.460 first

01:14:14.780 sure

01:14:15.140 absolutely

01:14:15.800 but the

01:14:16.520 even more

01:14:17.520 sort of

01:14:18.000 at the core

01:14:18.660 of it is

01:14:19.440 do you go

01:14:21.040 after people

01:14:21.620 that broke

01:14:22.020 the law

01:14:22.360 and did

01:14:22.700 the wrong

01:14:23.100 thing

01:14:23.420 like this

01:14:24.660 idea this

01:14:25.140 consensus

01:14:25.700 that you

01:14:26.520 just simply

01:14:26.980 don't go

01:14:27.460 after people

01:14:28.000 that held

01:14:28.500 high office

01:14:29.160 after the

01:14:29.680 fact

01:14:29.920 because it's

01:14:30.420 just not

01:14:31.460 gentlemanly

01:14:32.080 it's not

01:14:32.340 cricket

01:14:32.580 it's just

01:14:32.900 not how

01:14:33.160 we do

01:14:33.440 it

01:14:33.540 it's un-American

01:14:34.100 no no

01:14:34.680 bullshit

01:14:35.440 well that's

01:14:36.020 off the

01:14:36.500 table

01:14:36.800 you broke

01:14:37.580 yeah

01:14:37.800 you took

01:14:38.720 that off

01:14:38.940 the table

01:14:39.300 but also

01:14:40.540 no if

01:14:41.380 people did

01:14:41.860 something really

01:14:42.400 really bad

01:14:42.960 and illegal

01:14:43.520 they should

01:14:44.360 be held to

01:14:44.860 account for

01:14:45.360 it

01:14:45.540 yes

01:14:45.820 I'm afraid

01:14:46.420 it's as simple

01:14:46.920 as that

01:14:47.180 not controversial

01:14:47.840 at all

01:14:48.540 let's hear what

01:14:49.480 the Donald

01:14:50.920 it seems like

01:14:51.280 an indictment

01:14:51.920 of James

01:14:52.340 Comey

01:14:52.840 is intimate

01:14:53.780 would this

01:14:54.720 be the first

01:14:55.720 step in

01:14:56.240 accountability

01:14:56.900 for pushing

01:14:58.460 the hoax

01:14:59.220 of Russia

01:14:59.740 Russia

01:15:00.160 Russia

01:15:00.620 along with

01:15:01.520 Barack Obama

01:15:02.280 involved as well

01:15:03.320 well I can't tell you

01:15:04.380 what's going to happen

01:15:05.120 because I don't know

01:15:05.900 you have very professional

01:15:06.840 people

01:15:07.420 headed up by the

01:15:09.080 Attorney General

01:15:09.880 Todd

01:15:10.500 Todd Blanche

01:15:11.340 and

01:15:11.600 Lindsay Allegan

01:15:13.660 who's very smart

01:15:14.500 good lawyer

01:15:15.100 very good lawyer

01:15:15.800 they're going to

01:15:17.140 make a determination

01:15:17.900 I'm not making

01:15:18.720 that determination

01:15:19.240 I think I'd be

01:15:20.040 allowed to get

01:15:20.680 involved if I want

01:15:21.500 but I don't

01:15:22.340 really choose

01:15:22.800 to do so

01:15:23.400 I can only say

01:15:24.520 that Comey's

01:15:26.080 a bad person

01:15:26.840 he's a sick person

01:15:28.160 I think he's

01:15:28.700 a sick guy

01:15:29.360 actually

01:15:29.740 he did terrible

01:15:31.000 things at the

01:15:31.660 FBI

01:15:32.160 I agree

01:15:32.880 but I don't

01:15:34.940 know I have

01:15:35.400 no idea

01:15:35.800 what's going

01:15:36.160 to happen

01:15:36.540 okay

01:15:37.920 I won't get

01:15:39.260 involved but

01:15:39.720 he's a sick

01:15:40.260 guy

01:15:40.560 really sick

01:15:41.400 yeah exactly

01:15:42.440 Neo and Realist

01:15:43.460 has sent us

01:15:43.880 a super chat

01:15:44.700 which summarizes

01:15:45.440 the thing

01:15:46.240 perfectly

01:15:46.760 Comey testified

01:15:47.720 to Cruz

01:15:48.320 that he didn't

01:15:49.000 authorize leaks

01:15:49.580 Andrew McCabe

01:15:50.280 says Comey

01:15:50.920 ordered him

01:15:51.360 to leak

01:15:51.680 so one of

01:15:52.520 them is lying

01:15:52.960 because they

01:15:53.280 both can't

01:15:53.600 be telling

01:15:53.860 the truth

01:15:54.260 and so

01:15:54.800 that's it

01:15:55.720 yeah

01:15:55.940 so it's

01:15:57.020 sort of

01:15:57.320 the again

01:15:58.120 I suppose

01:15:58.540 sort of

01:15:58.940 the wider

01:15:59.420 the wider

01:16:01.480 question

01:16:02.140 wider debate

01:16:02.740 is about

01:16:04.000 whether Trump

01:16:05.860 is becoming

01:16:06.540 or that's

01:16:06.960 what the

01:16:07.160 left want

01:16:07.480 to try

01:16:07.760 and make

01:16:08.080 this out

01:16:08.480 into

01:16:08.800 is Trump

01:16:09.520 becoming

01:16:10.120 like a

01:16:11.000 solo type

01:16:11.620 yes

01:16:12.300 well

01:16:14.000 you Marians

01:16:15.220 began

01:16:15.940 the

01:16:16.260 prescriptions

01:16:16.900 so oh no

01:16:18.740 now our

01:16:19.200 opponents have

01:16:19.740 come back

01:16:20.040 and they're

01:16:20.260 prescribing us

01:16:20.960 oh well

01:16:21.660 who started

01:16:22.320 that

01:16:22.740 the funny

01:16:23.840 thing is

01:16:24.160 there's a

01:16:24.460 statute of

01:16:24.900 limitations

01:16:25.380 on Comey's

01:16:26.300 alleged crimes

01:16:27.360 that was

01:16:28.260 going to be

01:16:28.720 up on

01:16:29.100 Tuesday

01:16:29.460 next Tuesday

01:16:29.980 so in

01:16:30.680 other words

01:16:31.100 the Department

01:16:31.760 of Justice

01:16:32.000 left it

01:16:32.320 right up to

01:16:32.760 the bell

01:16:33.160 and they went

01:16:33.900 nope we're

01:16:34.200 going to get

01:16:34.440 you thought

01:16:35.420 you'd be able

01:16:35.800 to get away

01:16:36.200 with it

01:16:36.500 nope

01:16:37.000 that's probably

01:16:38.240 why Trump

01:16:38.680 was putting

01:16:39.100 loads of

01:16:39.440 pressure

01:16:39.580 I mean he

01:16:40.000 did put

01:16:40.260 quite a lot

01:16:40.620 of pressure

01:16:40.900 on so this

01:16:41.380 is the

01:16:41.920 case is being

01:16:42.380 brought against

01:16:43.900 Comey in

01:16:44.500 Virginia

01:16:44.940 as I

01:16:45.840 understand it

01:16:46.480 and he

01:16:48.820 I think

01:16:49.760 personally

01:16:50.320 I think

01:16:50.700 Opus said

01:16:51.280 that he

01:16:51.920 removed the

01:16:52.900 prosecutor

01:16:53.420 there the

01:16:53.840 federal

01:16:54.080 prosecutor

01:16:54.620 that was

01:16:55.080 going to

01:16:55.720 not bring

01:16:56.380 charges against

01:16:57.260 Comey he

01:16:57.540 removed them

01:16:58.340 and put his

01:16:59.060 own pick

01:16:59.500 in there

01:17:00.000 sort of make

01:17:00.820 sure it

01:17:01.080 happened

01:17:01.380 and then

01:17:01.940 lent on

01:17:02.660 Bondi to

01:17:03.600 some degree

01:17:04.180 to sort of

01:17:04.880 make sure it

01:17:05.340 happens you

01:17:06.180 know before

01:17:06.500 the statute

01:17:06.940 of limitations

01:17:08.220 is up

01:17:08.900 but the

01:17:10.380 other thing

01:17:10.700 to sort of

01:17:11.120 talk about

01:17:11.380 is whether

01:17:11.620 this is

01:17:12.140 sort of

01:17:12.540 just kind

01:17:13.500 of the

01:17:13.760 beginning

01:17:14.080 again

01:17:14.640 whether he

01:17:15.820 will go

01:17:16.320 after

01:17:16.800 Adam

01:17:19.500 Schiff

01:17:19.880 and

01:17:20.840 Letitia

01:17:22.940 James

01:17:23.260 and a

01:17:23.680 number of

01:17:24.040 other people

01:17:24.560 Hillary Clinton

01:17:25.320 why is she

01:17:25.880 in jail

01:17:26.280 is this him

01:17:28.320 truly now

01:17:29.080 beginning to

01:17:29.780 didn't he call

01:17:29.800 Obama a traitor

01:17:30.480 he said Obama

01:17:31.100 committing treason

01:17:31.940 right

01:17:32.400 okay why is he

01:17:33.660 still free

01:17:34.120 I think Obama

01:17:35.420 as an actual

01:17:36.600 president has got

01:17:37.700 various protections

01:17:39.280 probably yeah

01:17:39.940 but nonetheless

01:17:41.040 everyone's short

01:17:41.680 of Obama

01:17:42.260 is this Trump

01:17:44.440 now finally

01:17:45.220 after his

01:17:46.160 promises all

01:17:46.860 the way back

01:17:47.180 in 2016

01:17:47.940 to drain the

01:17:48.560 swamp

01:17:48.700 he's actually

01:17:49.380 draining the

01:17:49.840 swamp now

01:17:50.300 he's actually

01:17:50.760 beginning to

01:17:51.320 drain the

01:17:51.640 swamp

01:17:51.880 he seems to

01:17:52.520 he seems to

01:17:53.140 genuinely want

01:17:53.900 them all to

01:17:54.580 to go down

01:17:55.400 doesn't he

01:17:55.900 yeah

01:17:56.220 so he needs to

01:17:57.640 get his

01:17:58.000 administration in

01:17:59.020 gear

01:17:59.300 he says you

01:18:00.300 know they did

01:18:00.740 it to me

01:18:01.240 yeah

01:18:01.800 they did it to

01:18:02.640 me

01:18:02.880 justice must be

01:18:03.880 served

01:18:04.300 yeah

01:18:04.760 so basically

01:18:05.860 mr president

01:18:06.600 you're gonna

01:18:06.900 have to fire

01:18:07.440 the people who

01:18:08.020 aren't doing

01:18:08.420 it and put

01:18:08.800 more radical

01:18:09.660 people in

01:18:10.200 charge

01:18:10.620 it's just

01:18:11.400 how it's gonna

01:18:11.840 have to be

01:18:12.180 if they're not

01:18:12.520 gonna do it

01:18:13.060 the thing is

01:18:14.000 you probably

01:18:14.300 would have to

01:18:14.960 start well you

01:18:15.460 kind of do

01:18:15.800 have to start

01:18:16.380 with the

01:18:16.780 fbi to some

01:18:17.640 degree

01:18:18.020 yes

01:18:18.340 because a lot

01:18:19.400 of things sort

01:18:19.880 of radiate out

01:18:20.760 from the

01:18:21.260 fbi

01:18:21.580 and in my

01:18:24.060 opinion i've

01:18:24.540 said this

01:18:24.800 before

01:18:25.140 the fbi is

01:18:26.920 as dirty as

01:18:28.300 it gets

01:18:28.780 the idea that

01:18:30.260 they're above

01:18:31.520 politics in

01:18:32.300 some way

01:18:32.540 no no

01:18:32.880 they have

01:18:33.560 always from

01:18:34.480 day one

01:18:35.000 from jaker

01:18:35.520 hoover day

01:18:35.900 one have

01:18:36.780 been a tool

01:18:37.400 of the

01:18:37.820 establishment

01:18:38.420 wasn't the

01:18:39.300 fbi just

01:18:40.000 created by

01:18:40.500 executive fias

01:18:41.300 as well

01:18:41.960 something like

01:18:43.000 that yeah

01:18:43.480 it's not in

01:18:44.360 the constitution

01:18:44.780 obviously

01:18:45.320 the founding

01:18:46.700 fathers said

01:18:47.200 nothing about

01:18:47.780 the federal

01:18:48.180 bureau of

01:18:48.700 investigation

01:18:48.960 i'm reasonably

01:18:49.540 sure it was

01:18:49.960 just done by

01:18:50.560 an executive

01:18:51.340 order

01:18:51.720 it was like

01:18:52.520 the red

01:18:52.860 scare

01:18:53.240 the second

01:18:53.940 red scare

01:18:54.380 whatever it

01:18:54.760 was

01:18:55.060 they've got

01:18:55.580 so many of

01:18:56.060 these things

01:18:56.380 it's not

01:18:56.580 just fbi

01:18:57.040 is it

01:18:57.380 you've got

01:18:57.660 the NSA

01:18:58.740 and you've

01:19:00.600 got loads of

01:19:01.080 these things

01:19:01.360 for the

01:19:03.200 previous

01:19:03.640 regime

01:19:04.260 well i had

01:19:06.160 loads more

01:19:06.500 to say in

01:19:06.960 general about

01:19:07.460 the fbi

01:19:07.860 about what

01:19:08.380 a sort of

01:19:08.720 a cesspit

01:19:09.400 it is

01:19:09.980 what a

01:19:10.580 truly sort

01:19:11.280 of dangerous

01:19:11.780 thing an

01:19:12.180 unconstitutional

01:19:12.800 thing i think

01:19:13.580 i said that

01:19:14.500 once before on

01:19:15.180 here and

01:19:15.940 nearly all the

01:19:16.620 comments were

01:19:17.020 like yeah

01:19:17.440 like from

01:19:17.820 americans

01:19:18.280 yeah we hate

01:19:19.380 the fbi

01:19:19.780 oh yeah the

01:19:20.180 americans

01:19:20.440 we hate living

01:19:20.940 under the

01:19:21.280 tyranny of the

01:19:21.760 fbi

01:19:21.960 the americans

01:19:22.440 are they do

01:19:23.140 not have like

01:19:23.600 scales in front

01:19:24.200 of their eyes

01:19:24.700 when it comes

01:19:25.100 to all of

01:19:25.420 this

01:19:25.660 yeah

01:19:25.900 they know

01:19:26.440 they know

01:19:26.920 yeah

01:19:27.360 i mean so

01:19:28.460 one last

01:19:28.860 thing out of a

01:19:29.500 million things i

01:19:30.180 could mention

01:19:30.600 about how bad

01:19:31.380 and dirty

01:19:31.820 the fbi

01:19:32.400 are

01:19:32.760 recently it

01:19:34.240 was disclosed

01:19:34.940 here

01:19:35.280 that rank and

01:19:37.040 file fbi

01:19:37.580 agents after

01:19:38.520 january 6th

01:19:39.480 claimed political

01:19:40.120 bias infected

01:19:40.980 operations

01:19:41.580 feeling like

01:19:42.520 quote pawns in

01:19:43.240 a political

01:19:43.620 war quote

01:19:44.220 yeah well

01:19:44.560 yeah well i guess

01:19:45.200 that's because you

01:19:45.860 were in the crowd

01:19:46.640 encouraging people

01:19:47.500 to go into the

01:19:48.080 bloody thing or

01:19:48.960 you're working for

01:19:49.640 twitter encouraging

01:19:50.360 them to take down

01:19:51.000 posts that were

01:19:51.520 critical of biden

01:19:52.140 or against

01:19:52.580 covid or whatever

01:19:53.220 it is like

01:19:53.960 you've been an

01:19:54.600 active agent of

01:19:56.040 the democrat party

01:19:57.040 for years

01:19:58.160 but we could list

01:19:59.300 off just thing

01:20:00.080 after thing that

01:20:00.700 the fbi has

01:20:01.300 done oh god

01:20:02.380 yeah yeah and

01:20:03.320 according to

01:20:03.940 disclosure.tv

01:20:05.160 um that

01:20:06.840 according to an

01:20:07.760 after-action report

01:20:08.620 held within uh

01:20:10.320 held from withheld

01:20:12.120 from the public

01:20:12.640 for over four

01:20:13.140 years that the

01:20:13.920 fbi had 274

01:20:16.020 plainclothes

01:20:16.940 agents embedded

01:20:18.120 in the january

01:20:18.860 6th round

01:20:19.560 wow i didn't know

01:20:20.600 it's that many

01:20:21.160 i knew about

01:20:22.040 may epps i

01:20:22.760 didn't know

01:20:22.960 there was 274

01:20:23.920 of them and

01:20:24.280 there are so

01:20:24.700 many like fbi

01:20:25.460 honeypots where

01:20:26.380 they turns out to

01:20:27.060 mostly be fbi

01:20:27.840 agents yeah

01:20:28.480 it's just like feds

01:20:29.860 on feds and

01:20:30.960 then you've got

01:20:31.320 like the 1993

01:20:32.200 world trade center

01:20:33.300 bombing which is

01:20:33.980 just essentially an

01:20:34.660 entire fbi plot

01:20:35.880 that was uh i'm

01:20:37.740 correct about that

01:20:38.320 right there's an

01:20:39.360 argument to be made

01:20:40.260 yeah right so it's

01:20:41.960 it's like yeah

01:20:42.880 these these things

01:20:44.180 have problems on

01:20:44.980 youtube

01:20:45.360 well yeah there's a

01:20:47.040 whole stream like i'm

01:20:48.040 very suspicious about

01:20:48.940 the las vegas shooter

01:20:50.320 and his well yeah i

01:20:51.320 mean there's so many

01:20:52.420 examples what happened

01:20:53.400 to him where did all

01:20:54.440 that go

01:20:54.820 many examples but

01:20:56.080 okay it looks like

01:20:56.820 cope well comey is

01:20:57.520 definitely going to

01:20:58.260 go on trial great and

01:21:00.420 he if found guilty which

01:21:02.400 is actually as i

01:21:03.240 understand it it's

01:21:03.980 actually quite a hard

01:21:04.940 case for the

01:21:05.980 prosecutors to prove

01:21:07.040 because it's just a my

01:21:08.360 word versus someone

01:21:09.100 else's word but if he

01:21:10.620 fails he could get

01:21:11.360 five years in prison and

01:21:12.500 he's the first fbi or

01:21:13.740 ex-fbi director ever to

01:21:15.660 be put up on charges

01:21:16.900 like this right

01:21:17.740 this is what kind of

01:21:18.680 prison isn't it how if

01:21:19.480 it was one of those

01:21:20.040 really like low security

01:21:20.960 ones where you play

01:21:21.560 tennis or is it one of

01:21:22.460 those because obama put

01:21:23.900 dinesh d'souza in

01:21:24.920 prison remember

01:21:25.680 yeah but it was one

01:21:28.080 of those ones where he

01:21:28.720 could sometimes go back

01:21:29.740 at night but it was

01:21:30.980 like but he was in

01:21:31.560 there with proper

01:21:32.140 cons but it was yeah

01:21:33.320 yeah yeah it was for

01:21:34.880 minor things to do with

01:21:35.900 campaign donations just

01:21:37.060 as another example of

01:21:37.960 using lawfare i just

01:21:39.660 wonder what it'd be

01:21:40.060 like in prison for

01:21:40.740 coming on that note

01:21:41.540 let's go to the video

01:21:42.280 comments oh yeah um

01:21:43.840 dylan says i always get

01:21:45.460 a kick whenever bow

01:21:46.200 wears his maga hat i

01:21:47.520 have one of the st

01:21:48.200 george's cross show my

01:21:49.100 solidarity with your

01:21:49.840 fight for england well

01:21:50.500 thank you very much sir

01:21:51.340 um and uh faux pas says

01:21:53.480 obama bin blair for

01:21:54.680 emperor of the world

01:21:55.460 unfortunately that's

01:21:56.520 kind of what we're

01:21:57.160 getting that's basically

01:21:58.060 the the global

01:21:59.140 technocratic order let's

01:22:00.940 go some months ago

01:22:04.160 carl went to visit the

01:22:05.280 king alfred classical

01:22:06.200 christian school there in

01:22:08.020 dudley the private school

01:22:09.140 and tell us about its

01:22:10.120 plight unfortunately if

01:22:11.840 you go and visit now

01:22:12.600 you'll find the websites

01:22:13.560 offline because the

01:22:14.600 school has had to close

01:22:15.680 down in the end they

01:22:17.280 cite several reasons uh i

01:22:19.360 think this line here is

01:22:20.320 quite interesting they need

01:22:21.520 a less hostile government

01:22:22.640 think about that a

01:22:23.880 government less hostile

01:22:24.820 to classical christian

01:22:25.800 education crazy yeah

01:22:28.120 they they warned me that

01:22:29.380 basically this was the

01:22:30.780 last hope that they had

01:22:31.860 and that's why i did the

01:22:33.020 video is to hopefully

01:22:34.300 keep them going but um

01:22:36.460 but the point is the the

01:22:37.820 landlord as i said raised

01:22:39.040 the rents uh so they

01:22:40.560 were hoping to move

01:22:41.140 somewhere else but you

01:22:41.840 needed hundreds of

01:22:42.680 thousands of pounds and

01:22:44.120 of course the government

01:22:45.040 increasing the via or

01:22:46.620 removing the vat

01:22:47.380 exemption on private

01:22:49.380 schools had meant that

01:22:52.140 fewer people were able

01:22:53.100 to go that was what

01:22:55.240 they meant that's what

01:22:56.000 they oh yeah that was

01:22:57.060 the point that was the

01:22:57.700 point yeah yeah and so

01:22:58.920 yeah well let's hope

01:22:59.960 that changes in future

01:23:00.940 carl on the issue of uh

01:23:06.020 erica kirk saying i

01:23:08.300 forgive you to the killer

01:23:09.580 of her husband you should

01:23:11.160 watch a movie called the

01:23:12.320 shack with sam

01:23:13.880 worthington you're

01:23:15.540 probably not going to

01:23:16.280 like all of it not all

01:23:17.800 of it is that good but

01:23:20.980 there is a really really

01:23:22.700 good message in there

01:23:23.820 about forgiveness so

01:23:26.560 look into it i appreciate

01:23:29.340 the suggestion but i don't

01:23:31.600 want to yeah i hope the

01:23:32.740 message is to forgive

01:23:33.760 anyone don't forgive them

01:23:34.860 i don't think that's the

01:23:36.160 message yeah i don't yeah

01:23:38.440 i don't i was talking to

01:23:39.660 my vicar friend about this

01:23:41.020 reverend dr jamie franklin

01:23:42.280 you can forgive while i

01:23:44.320 think pharaoh has pretty

01:23:45.200 much said the same while

01:23:46.140 wanting justice and the

01:23:48.560 two are completely

01:23:49.480 coherent in christianity

01:23:51.140 you can say we want

01:23:52.200 justice for this but you

01:23:53.100 can still forgive them on

01:23:54.560 a sort of spiritual level

01:23:55.300 but you still it's you

01:23:57.400 still demand justice and

01:23:58.540 the two not are not

01:23:59.620 opposed either way i don't

01:24:01.980 forgive them did you see

01:24:02.840 what i don't yeah i don't

01:24:03.980 forgive a murderer no i

01:24:05.280 don't see why i don't did

01:24:06.660 you see what fuentes said

01:24:07.620 today about that no he

01:24:09.000 said um he thinks he was

01:24:10.760 he thought she was at it's

01:24:12.200 far too much of a sort of an

01:24:13.120 actor and he thinks that

01:24:14.240 they were set up in an

01:24:15.180 arranged marriage because

01:24:16.600 she's taken over turning

01:24:17.700 point so smoothly and he's

01:24:19.800 like how did they meet who

01:24:20.680 set them up it's because he

01:24:22.020 needed a wife to be someone

01:24:23.900 in office in future and so

01:24:25.180 that's a bit cynical

01:24:26.780 interesting theory i'm sure

01:24:28.800 they oh i mean i don't know

01:24:30.120 but i'm sure that's not true

01:24:31.420 um anyway let's go to the

01:24:33.360 website comments uh justin

01:24:34.760 says i laugh when they say

01:24:36.180 the digital idea will cut down

01:24:37.340 illegal working people who

01:24:38.740 break the law to hire illegal

01:24:39.960 immigrants are really going to

01:24:40.940 register them well enough to

01:24:41.780 actually need an id exactly

01:24:43.360 like they're in the dark

01:24:44.540 economy enemy anyway you're

01:24:46.340 only going to penalize people

01:24:47.760 who work in the legitimate

01:24:49.540 economy that's just the only

01:24:50.760 way they're the only people

01:24:52.260 who could possibly be

01:24:53.240 affected by this zesty king

01:24:55.600 says there is only one man

01:24:57.000 who can save us from digital

01:24:57.900 ids and he is ed milliband

01:24:59.420 think about it you can't have

01:25:00.900 digitac id without

01:25:02.480 electricity he's secretly

01:25:03.680 saving it all good point yeah

01:25:05.460 we can end up like the spain

01:25:06.660 uh cascading failure in their

01:25:08.200 electricity grid and ed

01:25:09.140 milliband has actually saved

01:25:10.180 the country the new digital

01:25:11.180 idea will work on wind power

01:25:12.540 why can't we get david

01:25:14.680 milliband back if we're going

01:25:15.760 to parachute uh andy

01:25:17.040 burn any of them no no i'm

01:25:19.820 joking but if we're going to

01:25:21.280 parachute burn me and out of

01:25:22.700 nowhere why not barrett

01:25:24.640 parachute dave back in

01:25:26.000 dave needs his vengeance

01:25:27.600 dave needs final vengeance

01:25:29.000 yeah you need to complete his

01:25:30.660 arc yeah i need to see him

01:25:32.160 eating a bacon sandwich and

01:25:33.080 that will judge uh justin says

01:25:34.880 no one will need to hack the

01:25:35.820 database to get the

01:25:36.440 information the government

01:25:37.160 would stand up selling it to

01:25:38.180 anyone who wants it yeah i know

01:25:39.960 we can't object to the terms

01:25:41.340 and conditions if it's

01:25:42.140 mandatory that's a great

01:25:42.920 point like you know there's

01:25:45.020 literally it's such an insane

01:25:47.020 idea kevin fox says that so

01:25:49.560 they bring in the digital id and

01:25:51.220 part of that you have to take

01:25:52.100 selfie yeah there's three hours

01:25:53.580 of your life you won't get

01:25:54.240 back plus it would need to have

01:25:56.280 your print fingerprints too so

01:25:57.580 who in government is getting a

01:25:58.600 kickback from samsung huawei

01:25:59.960 apple etc of all the sales of the

01:26:02.180 most expensive phones allow

01:26:03.180 fingerprint reading yeah again

01:26:04.680 the barrier to entry you are

01:26:06.140 going to have to have a

01:26:07.200 smartphone so i mean what is the

01:26:09.180 government going to issue me a

01:26:10.140 smartphone that i have to use for

01:26:11.520 it that's quite right it's a good

01:26:13.080 point the next thing will be

01:26:14.400 surely will be the biometric data

01:26:16.420 we need to scan your iris and get

01:26:18.260 your fingerprints it's going to be

01:26:20.000 literally there's no escape there's

01:26:21.900 no escape it's actually the

01:26:23.800 demolition man future yeah i was

01:26:25.300 going to say that before actually

01:26:26.320 so that's actually what they're

01:26:28.080 working towards um quick note on

01:26:30.240 the digital id nonsense they have

01:26:31.380 to put out a consultation about what

01:26:32.640 to do with people without a

01:26:33.800 smartphone or the elderly the

01:26:35.260 solution would be most likely uh

01:26:36.780 this idea they had for the covet

01:26:38.040 app um and you can apply for a

01:26:40.140 dumbed down smartwatch you wear on

01:26:41.620 your wrist or just have your idea

01:26:43.220 on are they convenient they design

01:26:44.520 that now so you get tagged

01:26:46.520 basically if you don't have a

01:26:47.600 smartphone isn't it great it's

01:26:49.320 great i'm not gonna i'm not gonna

01:26:50.660 have to wear a tag i'm not going

01:26:52.660 along with this um

01:26:54.380 welcome city 17 it's safer here

01:26:58.800 mega city one yeah honestly though it

01:27:01.840 really is it's demolition man you

01:27:03.540 know so that's that's the future

01:27:04.700 they're trying to draw this into

01:27:06.080 omar says the left if anyone could

01:27:08.260 clearly communicate our policy to

01:27:09.540 the public they would vote for us

01:27:11.300 we need to move the delusionary

01:27:12.680 window back to where the labor

01:27:13.640 current labor policy isn't even a

01:27:15.360 fringe fancy uh yeah it's it's

01:27:17.460 mental um lady sarcastro says don't

01:27:20.480 talk down burnham nick never

01:27:22.640 interfere when your enemy is making

01:27:23.940 a mistake i didn't talk i just gave

01:27:25.420 a deep dive bbc style

01:27:27.240 you know hard journalism insight into

01:27:30.560 how his mind works what makes him

01:27:32.240 tick what makes you tick andy burnham

01:27:34.200 who is yeah who is what's his

01:27:35.860 relationship with his dad yeah yeah

01:27:37.520 yeah who's the man behind the

01:27:39.620 politics that's the kind of thing i

01:27:41.320 do yeah lancelot says the starmanet

01:27:43.520 funding bill has passed the system

01:27:44.900 goes online on october the 4th 2025

01:27:46.740 human decisions are removed from

01:27:48.840 strategic defense starmanet begins

01:27:50.940 to learn at a geometric rate it

01:27:52.840 becomes self-aware at 2 14 a.m

01:27:54.580 eastern time october the 29th in a

01:27:56.820 panic they try to pull the plug

01:27:58.120 starmanet fights back

01:27:59.580 i mean like

01:28:02.280 what what one of the one of the

01:28:04.240 points that tony blair has been

01:28:05.360 making is like no we need to use

01:28:06.420 ai in order to manage the system

01:28:08.860 so great the ai will have access to

01:28:10.820 all of your information and be able

01:28:12.700 to make decisions within the system

01:28:14.360 based on your information at

01:28:15.920 lightning speed isn't that just a

01:28:17.460 brilliant idea guys don't we just

01:28:19.060 want that to happen well we finally

01:28:20.760 find out about starma's living

01:28:22.120 arrangements i don't want to get

01:28:23.160 anyone sue i just want to know

01:28:25.260 because if everyone if all the

01:28:26.460 information is out there i want to

01:28:27.300 know all starma's information

01:28:28.300 anyway sorry that was a straight

01:28:29.260 thought it really is if someone

01:28:30.700 said uh make like five or ten or

01:28:33.000 fifteen bullet points of the

01:28:35.540 quickest way to a dystopia yeah i

01:28:38.360 would just be doing all that all

01:28:39.780 that yeah exactly no way dystopian

01:28:42.140 and we're not dying yeah yeah well

01:28:43.860 that's the thing make the ai in

01:28:45.940 charge of everything that you're

01:28:47.260 allowed to do and give it all of

01:28:49.400 the information it could ever

01:28:50.240 possibly have and give it the

01:28:51.160 ability to intercede in anything

01:28:53.140 that you do yeah i could easily

01:28:54.060 imagine starma just like saying

01:28:55.320 the quiet part this is not like

01:28:57.120 demolition man

01:28:57.920 yeah no demolition man would be a

01:29:01.900 lot less intrusive actually like i

01:29:04.800 just get fined for swearing in

01:29:06.240 demolition man

01:29:06.980 and this i go hungry and sandra

01:29:09.100 bullock was she was hot in that

01:29:10.480 film at least there's hardly any

01:29:12.180 murder death kills in their society

01:29:13.840 exactly

01:29:14.340 20 years or something and it's just

01:29:17.120 like oh god someone's been

01:29:18.100 murdered like we don't have that

01:29:19.620 we got what we got nick

01:29:20.780 this is the time for you to say

01:29:23.600 anarchy tyranny don't worry

01:29:24.440 anarchy tyranny yeah sorry everyone

01:29:25.800 i missed my cue damn it we get

01:29:27.540 people stabbed all the time because

01:29:29.140 the people who don't have the ids

01:29:30.440 are running around stabbing people

01:29:31.680 yeah like good god man uh daniel

01:29:34.520 says thank christ someone's

01:29:35.560 mentioned burnham's eyeliner i've

01:29:36.920 been wondering for years it's not

01:29:37.960 just me then thank god okay i was

01:29:39.920 thinking am i the only one that

01:29:41.680 noticed that okay

01:29:42.860 uh paul says well kemi was right

01:29:46.300 about the russians wanting chaos in

01:29:47.720 our system also the ccp iran and lots

01:29:50.020 others i mean yeah that's true but

01:29:52.040 again i i just really feel that he's

01:29:53.620 overstating the capacity of the

01:29:55.000 russians frankly

01:29:55.760 like you know well it's a good point

01:29:57.940 because it is absolutely true that

01:29:59.340 russia does want to sort of

01:30:00.600 destabilize the west absolutely we are

01:30:02.080 strategic global strategic enemies

01:30:03.580 yeah and the chinese but were they

01:30:05.400 doing the things that was alleged in

01:30:07.960 the steel dossier

01:30:09.120 no no was trump literally a manchurian

01:30:11.400 can just a puppet of putin i mean

01:30:13.300 uh um maddow was literally saying he

01:30:16.260 is a puppet of putin just just a

01:30:18.320 statement he is that and it's like

01:30:20.280 well he's not they were all saying

01:30:21.460 hillary clinton said that yeah and

01:30:23.920 they all said it he's now turned on

01:30:25.420 putin you see his tweet the other day

01:30:26.680 i did

01:30:27.100 i don't know yeah massive turnaround on

01:30:30.100 the biggest turnovers we've ever

01:30:31.340 seen you know i really think that he

01:30:32.780 thought that he could like bro

01:30:34.580 putin into yeah doing it i thought i

01:30:37.200 think he thought no i got on really

01:30:38.940 well putin i'll just have a talk with

01:30:40.300 him i'll get him on side he'll

01:30:41.700 understand why he should do this and

01:30:43.440 obviously that he's always coming

01:30:44.440 fundamentally from the same mindset

01:30:46.060 what's logical what's pragmatic but

01:30:48.160 he was not he's coming from a

01:30:48.940 completely different mindset which is

01:30:50.180 what's best for my country the

01:30:51.420 survival of my ancient country we

01:30:53.120 will survive and endure it's not just

01:30:55.120 that i think i think his issue was

01:30:56.420 if if if trump concedes on something

01:31:00.620 and his political career ends okay he

01:31:03.420 might he might get persecuted a

01:31:04.660 little bit in the courts oh yeah he

01:31:06.220 just goes about his life as not he

01:31:07.340 can drink water without worrying

01:31:08.660 what's in it right yeah exactly if if i

01:31:11.560 mean it's probably going to be worse

01:31:12.760 than that for putin if putin falls i

01:31:14.060 mean he's he's made a lot of enemies

01:31:15.300 over the years he's probably going to

01:31:16.840 get dragged through the street like

01:31:17.940 mussolini or chaucheska or something

01:31:19.580 right that's that's putin doesn't have

01:31:22.080 a retirement plan whereas trump probably

01:31:24.000 does uh and so like you know putin

01:31:27.100 like no no if if i lose this war then

01:31:29.900 i'd die and there's a lot of

01:31:31.960 treating that for zelensky as well the

01:31:33.280 pressure he's under from the

01:31:34.300 nationalists in the ukraine is a

01:31:35.580 different level yeah it's high stakes in

01:31:38.600 eastern europe anyway we're out of time

01:31:39.700 there so thank you for joining us folks

01:31:41.260 sorry i didn't get through all the

01:31:42.420 super chats but there were an awful lot

01:31:43.480 of them but we really appreciate your

01:31:45.880 concern i think we'll be okay i think

01:31:47.780 we will beat this digital id thing um i'm

01:31:50.580 actually weirdly i'm surprisingly

01:31:52.240 optimistic about it and to me it looks

01:31:54.000 like a complete failure on their part

01:31:56.900 for even trying this but anyway um we

01:31:59.740 will be back in half an hour for the

01:32:01.020 gold tier zoom call on lotuses.com so

01:32:02.780 if you're not a member which you should

01:32:03.900 be come and sign up support us keep the

01:32:05.940 lights on and i'll hang out with you in

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01:32:09.300 the shit until the end of the day which

01:32:11.480 i love the gold zoom call because it's

01:32:13.380 literally like just talking to people

01:32:14.880 about stuff it's the easiest part of my

01:32:17.160 job anyway thanks for joining us folks

01:32:18.960 see you next uh well see you in half an

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The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - September 26, 2025

The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1261

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