The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1262

00:00:00.360 Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the podcast of The Lotus Eaters for Monday, the 29th of September, 2025.

00:00:06.500 I'm joined by Ferris and Ben Habib of the Advance UK Party.

00:00:10.260 And today, it's Monday, but it's also a very good day because Labour is completely falling apart.

00:00:15.940 Everything's going really, really bad for them. They're getting screwed on every front.

00:00:19.820 And to be honest with you, I'm here for it. I don't know about you, Ben.

00:00:22.240 You know, you might be a big, big Labour supporter, but I'm glad to see that.

00:00:26.020 Do I look like a Labour supporter?

00:00:27.600 No, not from this angle.

00:00:31.420 No, I'm glad to see them absolutely getting hammered on every front.

00:00:36.780 But before we begin, Advance had their announcement conference this week.

00:00:42.040 Yeah, so we launched, officially launched yesterday.

00:00:44.700 We had a soft launch in June when we revealed the existence of the party.

00:00:48.860 But we imposed a hurdle on ourselves with 30,000 members before we would apply to the Electoral Commission

00:00:55.620 to become an actual registered political party.

00:00:58.660 And once we had that 30,000 figure in our sights, I thought we'll, you know, organise a launch,

00:01:05.380 which we had in Newcastle yesterday.

00:01:08.620 It was very successful.

00:01:09.960 We had some headwinds last week when the hotel we'd booked suddenly discovered that they didn't like the cut of our jib and they cancelled us.

00:01:19.180 So we had some last minute headaches.

00:01:21.100 But we got a fantastic venue in a restaurant that was obviously prepared to align itself with those that are now deemed far right,

00:01:30.100 if they hold any view other than a far left one.

00:01:32.500 And anyway, we had a very successful launch yesterday.

00:01:35.820 Excellent.

00:01:36.160 Thank you.

00:01:36.460 Well, I'm glad to hear that because Labour didn't.

00:01:39.820 Labour are currently going through their party conference.

00:01:46.180 And I mean, we won't watch it.

00:01:48.640 It's absolutely abysmal.

00:01:49.680 But if people thought that the reform party conference, what's her name, doing that song was bad, this is way worse.

00:01:56.900 But you've reasonably well attended Labour conference, obviously, and you have various people gloviating about how they're going to fix the country.

00:02:05.500 But the thing is, the public just aren't buying this, right?

00:02:08.240 So, I mean, you know, it's at the moment, Nigel Farage, it's his time in the sun.

00:02:12.300 But we are told repeatedly that reform is Nigel Farage.

00:02:15.720 So when he decides he's had enough, we're going to need alternatives.

00:02:18.980 But the point, as you can see here, is that Labour are screwed.

00:02:22.760 They're absolutely screwed.

00:02:24.020 And this is just another poll in the long line of polls of the past year that have shown that Labour are going to get crushed the next time an election is called.

00:02:33.760 And they know it.

00:02:34.620 And so Labour are kind of like Wile E. Coyote who's run out on the ledge and is just waiting for gravity to take effect.

00:02:42.060 No, no, no.

00:02:42.480 I really mean this as a genuinely serious metaphor.

00:02:46.880 They've got the momentum because they're in government.

00:02:50.080 But everyone can tell their feet aren't actually grounded on anything.

00:02:53.080 And so at some point, they are going to come crashing down.

00:02:56.760 Because, I mean, Keir Starmer is actually now the most unpopular prime minister on record.

00:03:02.240 Deservedly so, I think.

00:03:03.720 Yes.

00:03:04.380 Well, I do.

00:03:07.080 100%.

00:03:07.520 I mean, obviously, he completely deserves it.

00:03:10.180 As I was saying earlier, they've been in power officially for a year.

00:03:14.340 But in reality, this project has been in power for 30 years.

00:03:17.960 Exactly.

00:03:18.260 And it's been the same ideas, very stale ideas, very wrong, false ideas that have been in control.

00:03:27.380 And the 14 years of conservative government in no way changed anything, had zero impact on the state and consensus within the state that was built by Tony Blair.

00:03:41.000 And that's why they're already so exhausted, because they have nothing to offer.

00:03:45.420 However, I think Keir Starmer recently, or a couple of months ago, asked the various regulators what their suggestions for increasing growth would be.

00:03:54.740 That's extraordinary.

00:03:55.780 Regulators who are an imposition on growth.

00:03:59.060 Who are meant to yield the answers forward.

00:04:00.980 Their entire job.

00:04:01.300 Their entire job is to inhibit growth.

00:04:03.040 Exactly.

00:04:04.680 So you're really scraping the barrel for ideas at that point.

00:04:08.580 Exactly.

00:04:09.160 And I'm surprised that Ms Reeves hasn't sort of figured it out yet.

00:04:12.320 But the coyote needs to recognise, as you rightly say, that the way to save himself is to change direction.

00:04:18.760 Stop running off the cliff and go the other way, which is what the British electorate want.

00:04:23.480 They keep voting for politicians to do the opposite.

00:04:26.060 It is remarkable, isn't it?

00:04:28.200 Just a quick thing on here.

00:04:29.320 I'm surprised how Liz Truss has only got a 51% dissatisfaction, actually. 0.99

00:04:34.140 Yes.

00:04:34.420 Which is a lot better than the media would have you believe.

00:04:37.520 Yes.

00:04:38.280 They would have you believe that she was basically the worst thing ever to happen, which I don't think she was.

00:04:42.140 But anyway, so Keir Starmer is well aware that actually they're screwed.

00:04:47.700 They're just completely screwed.

00:04:49.000 And they're going to get absolutely hammered at the next election.

00:04:51.960 We'll watch this quickly.

00:04:53.040 Your Labour predecessors, when he was having a bit of bother, Harold Wilson, when asked what was going on with his leadership,

00:04:58.240 he said, I tell you what's going on, this government's going on, and I'm going on.

00:05:01.860 And John Major said to his critics, put up or shut up.

00:05:05.900 What's Keir Starmer saying?

00:05:07.100 Give me time?

00:05:08.000 Give me space?

00:05:09.000 I am saying we have got the fight of our lives ahead of us because we've got to take on reform.

00:05:14.460 We've got to beat them.

00:05:15.780 And so now is not the time for introspection or navel gazing.

00:05:19.640 There is a fight that we are all in together.

00:05:22.320 And every single member of our party and our movement, actually everyone who cares about what this country is, whether they vote Labour or otherwise.

00:05:31.020 It's the fight of our lives for who we are as a country.

00:05:34.440 We need to be in that fight, united, not navel glazing.

00:05:37.940 I'm absolutely clear in my mind about that.

00:05:39.960 And that's what I'm going to be talking about at the conference.

00:05:41.640 I think if you wanted to sort of summarize Keir Starmer's personality, now is not the time for introspection.

00:05:48.920 That's a good summary.

00:05:50.480 Don't think about it.

00:05:51.520 Just do it.

00:05:52.340 He's there to implement something which he is possessed by, and he doesn't want to even think about it in any way.

00:06:01.260 Well, he's a pure creature of the system.

00:06:03.100 Yes.

00:06:04.100 It's not just that he has been born and raised and molded by the system.

00:06:07.520 He truly believes in the system.

00:06:09.500 Because, I mean, look what he's saying here, right?

00:06:10.740 He views Nigel Farage as the end of Blairism.

00:06:15.360 He views Nigel Farage as the end of this great project of...

00:06:19.120 I wish it were true.

00:06:22.200 The amount of time they're like, Nigel Farage, I call reform hard right now.

00:06:26.400 I wish.

00:06:27.680 Yeah.

00:06:28.140 We wish.

00:06:29.440 Yeah.

00:06:29.620 Just, okay.

00:06:30.520 But that's their perception of it, right?

00:06:32.480 Their perception is that Nigel Farage represents a paradigmatic shift away from the politics of 1997 onwards, right?

00:06:40.320 And they recognize that actually the country has just had enough, because there's no one else they can point to.

00:06:45.500 Because, like you say, they've been in power for 30 years, and they have.

00:06:48.660 There's no one else they can point to to say, well, it's your fault that the country is terrible.

00:06:51.980 Exactly.

00:06:52.120 You know, it's your fault, and your fault, and your fault, and your fault, and, you know, it's all your faults, and the chickens have come home to roost.

00:06:59.300 What's really interesting to me as well is that in that quote, he hasn't once thought to mention that perhaps it's the way they're governing that's the problem.

00:07:10.180 You know, he sees the fight as entirely with another political party, and it's just a matter of beating that political party, not doing something differently ourselves.

00:07:19.180 Well, he recognizes that the other political, or he thinks the other political party represents the end of the sort of managerial paradigm entirely.

00:07:28.240 And so, for him, this is an existential threat, actually.

00:07:31.020 And so, it is more than just beating another political party.

00:07:34.520 It's actually, you know...

00:07:36.020 Like your political survival.

00:07:37.180 Saving the system.

00:07:38.180 Saving the system itself.

00:07:39.600 That's what I think he views it as, genuinely.

00:07:42.740 And, honestly, you can see why he thinks this.

00:07:45.700 Now, he said the other day that he saw the United Kingdom rally, which you spoke, and he was terrified by it, because he realized...

00:07:53.360 Far right.

00:07:54.200 Well, if you can get, like, a million far-right people out in the streets...

00:07:58.540 And two and a half million watching online.

00:08:00.260 Three and a half million far-right people in this country.

00:08:02.320 And then Elon Musk calling in, and all these other things.

00:08:05.120 You realize, okay, there has been a sea change in politics, actually.

00:08:07.960 The British public have had enough, and they're changing their minds on things.

00:08:11.160 And he's going to be on the outside of this.

00:08:12.940 Which is why they're all falsely saying, oh, no, we're the real patriots, guys.

00:08:17.120 Like, nobody thinks you're patriots.

00:08:18.880 Everyone thinks that you love Davos.

00:08:20.600 And so, yeah, you saw...

00:08:22.860 Well, we see lots of protests.

00:08:28.120 This is at the Labour Party conference.

00:08:30.280 And you can see that, basically, all of Labour's enemies are coming to get them.

00:08:35.320 So, I mean, this doesn't look terribly different to the United Kingdom rally.

00:08:38.280 You can see the no-to-digital-ID people there.

00:08:40.420 You can see people with our farmers, people celebrating the death of Labour.

00:08:45.220 Lots of England flags, lots of British flags.

00:08:47.700 You can see it's the same sorts of people.

00:08:49.480 And you've got various other ones.

00:08:51.480 You've got the farmers' protests there.

00:08:53.280 And, again, this is another good one.

00:08:57.020 Blimey.

00:08:57.800 Do you see the farmers have got the England flag there now?

00:09:01.560 Yeah.

00:09:01.800 So you can see all of the enemies of Labour are realizing, actually, aren't we all on the same team?

00:09:05.920 Pretty much.

00:09:06.460 We're all pro-Britain.

00:09:07.560 And we're all crying out for a government that will actually represent the interests of the people of this country.

00:09:13.560 Sounds wild.

00:09:14.480 I know.

00:09:14.900 It's a wild proposition.

00:09:16.520 Nigel Farage is on the horizon.

00:09:18.360 Oh, my God.

00:09:19.260 More than the interests.

00:09:20.200 Sorry, more than the interests, I've always found it fascinating, the left's hatred of hereditary lords and the left's hatred of farmers, because they represent memory.

00:09:35.220 They represent ancestry.

00:09:37.360 They represent continuity, belonging.

00:09:40.140 They are the people genuinely attached to the land and, therefore, the natural source of healthy, natural nationalism.

00:09:50.720 And that's why the minute they're in power, they start sort of finding ways to stab them, be it in the Blair years trying to sort of get rid of more and more hereditary lords and that kind of thing, but also killing farmers with regulations and now the inheritance tax.

00:10:07.700 So it's a war on memory and identity that they're engaged in.

00:10:11.500 Oh, yes.

00:10:12.120 And they've identified the target correctly.

00:10:15.080 It's religion and the landed population. 0.99

00:10:18.100 These are their two enemies.

00:10:19.120 That's why they find the flag offensive.

00:10:20.980 That's why they find the flag offensive.

00:10:23.220 And so what I love about this is, I mean, this is a big protest.

00:10:26.700 Like, you know, there's a couple of thousand people that have turned up to protest the Labour Party conference.

00:10:31.900 I mean, the Conservative Party conference gets protested by, like, a handful of weirdos.

00:10:36.280 Yes.

00:10:36.500 You know, it's just, you know, maybe a hundred at most that you'll see, like, idiots.

00:10:40.600 Yeah.

00:10:40.780 You know, the UKIP party conference gets 50 people turn out to just go, oh, you're racist.

00:10:45.560 You know, like, it was very small, very trivial.

00:10:48.140 This is not small and trivial.

00:10:49.360 No.

00:10:49.700 If I were the Labour Party, I'd be like, okay, why are the working people of England all getting around? 1.00

00:10:54.220 And not just England either, but why are they all getting around and, like, realizing they're all on the same team and against us?

00:11:00.000 Yeah.

00:11:00.200 This is a real problem for the Labour Party, and it looks like a party that's under siege, out of time,

00:11:05.800 and with nowhere else to go.

00:11:07.800 They've got no firm ground stand on.

00:11:09.400 They've got no real constituency that they represent.

00:11:12.020 Yep.

00:11:12.300 And yet, for some reason, they're in power.

00:11:14.680 And this was one of the things.

00:11:16.280 Going back to the conference speeches.

00:11:17.940 So, I watched all of the first day's conference speeches.

00:11:20.180 The conference is still going on today, so we'll probably cover it tomorrow.

00:11:23.140 You watched all the speeches.

00:11:24.140 I did.

00:11:24.680 You must be a sucker.

00:11:25.460 Five hours of it, yeah.

00:11:27.080 Well, it was...

00:11:28.320 No, no, the thing is, it was kind of fascinating.

00:11:31.480 Because, on the one hand, they're like, yeah, Keir Starmer delivered us this incredible victory.

00:11:35.820 And it's like, did he, though?

00:11:37.340 Did he, yeah.

00:11:38.100 Fewer votes than 2019.

00:11:39.740 Yeah, fewer votes than Jeremy Corbyn.

00:11:41.600 Yeah.

00:11:41.960 And what actually happened for Keir Starmer to get his thing?

00:11:44.380 Well, Nigel Farage came in and slide-tackled the Conservative Party.

00:11:47.720 Yes.

00:11:48.320 That's how they got their majority.

00:11:50.380 And everyone can see it.

00:11:51.360 It's there in the stats.

00:11:52.540 Everyone can feel it.

00:11:53.400 Everyone knew that was the case.

00:11:54.940 And yet, not once is this mentioned at the Labour Party conference.

00:11:58.420 And they haven't got the presence of mind to take that on board.

00:12:02.980 No.

00:12:03.280 They should have taken their victory and understood, right, that wasn't a genuine victory.

00:12:07.660 Yep.

00:12:08.120 And we need to adjust the way we govern if we wish to stay in power.

00:12:12.400 Or, think about this, we could go balls to the wall.

00:12:15.940 Full throttle.

00:12:17.340 Yeah, full throttle.

00:12:18.380 We can reduce voting to 16.

00:12:20.140 We can bring in digital IDs.

00:12:21.680 We can do this.

00:12:22.320 We can do that.

00:12:22.780 We can do the other.

00:12:23.820 We can go mad because we'll never rule again.

00:12:26.680 And they will not rule again.

00:12:27.980 Next government will definitely not come from their end of the political spectrum.

00:12:32.020 No.

00:12:32.300 100%.

00:12:32.660 And the thing is, why would you ever vote for Labour again?

00:12:36.120 If you're a radical leftist, there are alternative radical left-wing parties that will actually

00:12:39.980 be authentically left-wing, thank God, and a little cul-de-sac.

00:12:43.060 The Jezbalah's imploded already. 1.00

00:12:44.900 I know, but the Greens seem to be doing okay.

00:12:46.900 They're at 13%.

00:12:47.920 So, you know, good luck to the Greens.

00:12:49.780 But the sort of Blairite consensus has died.

00:12:54.420 Yes.

00:12:54.580 No one supports this anymore.

00:12:56.460 And so the question is, what comes next?

00:12:58.200 And the question is, how long is it until they accept that that's the case?

00:13:01.500 But they've gone, honestly, full bore on this.

00:13:04.000 Like, one of the things, of course, they never accept that actually it's them and they've

00:13:11.420 got this loveless government purely by chance.

00:13:14.080 They don't accept this.

00:13:15.440 They think Keir Starmer delivered this great victory.

00:13:17.680 And they say...

00:13:19.380 Complete lack of humility.

00:13:20.640 Completely.

00:13:21.300 That is exactly...

00:13:21.780 And coupled with stupidity.

00:13:23.520 Yes.

00:13:23.860 Because the numbers speak for themselves.

00:13:25.340 They usually go together.

00:13:26.160 Yeah.

00:13:27.000 They do go together.

00:13:28.280 Absolutely.

00:13:29.100 Hubris and stupidity.

00:13:30.560 Another thing they didn't talk about, there's the polls.

00:13:32.900 They didn't talk about the polls.

00:13:34.780 They would say things like, we appreciate that we have a challenge on the horizon.

00:13:38.400 We understand this is a challenging moment.

00:13:39.960 It's like, challenging moment?

00:13:41.440 You're about to get dragged out by a crowd and shot.

00:13:43.580 What are you talking about here?

00:13:44.800 Like, yeah, it's a challenging moment.

00:13:47.880 You know?

00:13:49.420 But they kept saying things like, well, we're against the politics of division.

00:13:53.200 It's like, okay, so that, in a word, just means agree with us or you're against us.

00:13:57.760 Exactly.

00:13:58.380 That's all that means.

00:13:59.680 And they kept saying things like, we will mobilize the full power of the state.

00:14:03.740 It's like, oh, God, please don't.

00:14:05.540 You know?

00:14:05.860 The last thing, the last thing anyone wants is the full...

00:14:08.600 More state power.

00:14:09.380 Exactly.

00:14:09.860 It's more state interference in their lives.

00:14:11.280 You just don't understand why everyone hates you.

00:14:15.460 Anyway, so yeah, the protests were quite large, really.

00:14:19.460 And you had people driving around the vans, which is something Labour started.

00:14:23.220 But this is an innovation of Labour's that has been turned on them, which is a lesson, really.

00:14:28.720 Isn't it, Labour?

00:14:30.040 But then you start getting the journalists tweeting offhanded comments from within the conference itself.

00:14:36.820 And some of these, I think, are the best bits.

00:14:38.480 So, one person at the Labour conference, quote, I've been surprised at opposition to ID cards, especially on civil liberties grounds.

00:14:45.600 I thought we'd moved on from that.

00:14:47.840 After COVID, I thought people were willing to accept more government intervention into their lives.

00:14:52.420 Jeez.

00:14:53.460 I mean, that absolutely reveals their mindset.

00:14:56.880 Read the room.

00:14:57.940 Yeah.

00:14:58.120 After COVID, we thought you were okay with papers.

00:15:02.220 Us locking you into your homes.

00:15:03.680 Absolutely.

00:15:04.200 And making you scan QR codes to go into shops.

00:15:06.640 Yeah, yeah.

00:15:07.060 And sort of policing your every breath.

00:15:08.840 Yeah.

00:15:09.160 Why are you objecting to digital IDs?

00:15:11.180 I wonder.

00:15:11.920 It's insane how they don't understand.

00:15:14.980 It's the laptop class.

00:15:15.700 I'm amazed it's only had 408 comments.

00:15:18.280 That's a great point.

00:15:23.800 But this is just remarkable.

00:15:26.560 I can't believe there are people in the Labour Party who don't understand why people don't want overbearing state.

00:15:34.140 Like, how is it you still don't get it?

00:15:36.800 But it really is like one of those things.

00:15:38.980 Another one.

00:15:39.860 All the feedback I'm getting from the Labour Party conference is not if Starmer will resign.

00:15:43.420 It's when he will resign because the party expects to get wiped out of the local elections on the 6th of May.

00:15:47.600 Yeah, no kidding.

00:15:49.020 No kidding.

00:15:49.740 Like, the idea that they thought, oh, yeah, we just have the full spectrum digital ID and everyone will be okay with that.

00:15:54.560 So, there are lots of things that the British public will tolerate.

00:15:58.600 But literally, a papers, please, style ID has never been one of them.

00:16:03.320 And it's always like Tony Blair couldn't get it in at the height of his power.

00:16:07.320 Keir Starmer, the very nadir of his power.

00:16:09.520 The things he can do with this is ridiculous.

00:16:12.060 And this was my favourite one.

00:16:13.780 Overheard at the Labour conference.

00:16:14.980 We do do door knocking, get told to F off.

00:16:17.120 It's daily.

00:16:17.880 F off now because everyone hates us.

00:16:24.660 Surprise, surprise, surprise.

00:16:27.680 Well, someone's getting it.

00:16:29.700 But is it filtering to the leadership?

00:16:32.060 Are they aware?

00:16:33.660 I have seen no evidence whatsoever that the leadership understands this.

00:16:37.560 Now, I think that they do.

00:16:38.960 I think they actually do on a subconscious level at the very least.

00:16:43.580 And probably on a more sort of rational level.

00:16:45.540 I think they do.

00:16:46.280 But they've decided that they're going to try and tough it out.

00:16:49.480 They're going to put on a brave front.

00:16:51.100 Yeah.

00:16:51.480 You know, lock arms and say, no, we all agree that actually everything's going great.

00:16:54.940 The Labour plan is going to work.

00:16:56.640 We're just going to raise your taxes a little bit more, says Rachel Reeves.

00:16:59.820 Stiff upper lip while they all break down into your environment.

00:17:02.160 While the ship goes down.

00:17:03.480 And the only problem is the electorate.

00:17:05.060 They just won't vote properly.

00:17:06.320 If only we had smarter voters.

00:17:09.480 Oh, wait, let's import them.

00:17:10.640 Which has been the Labour manifesto for about 30 years now, as you pointed out.

00:17:17.720 So, yeah, the whole thing is emblematic of a party that is just surrounded.

00:17:23.620 And it feels like the sort of the Jewish zealots at Masada or whatever it was.

00:17:29.000 Where they're like, right, what's our plan?

00:17:30.860 It's like, what, suicide pact?

00:17:32.100 I don't know.

00:17:32.920 Like, what are we going to do?

00:17:34.260 Because there's nowhere to go.

00:17:35.360 The army, the Roman army is surrounding them.

00:17:37.360 They've got no exit.

00:17:38.980 And so, like, they go on TV and they give these crazy little interviews.

00:17:44.960 Where they're like, well, can you rule out increasing VAT?

00:17:46.800 And Rachel Reeves is like, no.

00:17:49.100 Obviously not.

00:17:50.060 Are they going to raise VAT even more?

00:17:52.200 Well, the autumn budget is coming and they need money.

00:17:54.400 They're desperate for money.

00:17:55.380 They're going to crash the whole thing.

00:17:56.740 They're going to crash the whole thing.

00:17:57.420 And again, it hasn't occurred to them to cut costs.

00:17:59.880 No.

00:18:00.040 It just hasn't entered their psyche.

00:18:01.700 It never comes up.

00:18:03.340 It never comes up.

00:18:04.760 There are two sides to this equation, right?

00:18:07.960 Exactly.

00:18:08.360 But that's the thing.

00:18:10.040 When Starmer tried to do very modest welfare cuts, his whole back benches revolted against him and made him stop.

00:18:17.860 So the MPs of Labour, the parliamentary party, they are more extreme than the activists.

00:18:26.200 Or they are a perfect reflection of the activists.

00:18:28.480 And remember, every time, like, this trust was brought up like four or five times throughout this conference.

00:18:34.380 Yes.

00:18:34.760 And it's like, okay, she ruled for a month.

00:18:37.020 Yeah.

00:18:37.220 You know, she had a very modest set of costs and, you know, the Conservative Party tanked her. 0.97

00:18:43.660 And she's being used as like this emblematic figure.

00:18:46.560 You don't want to be like Liz Trusty.

00:18:48.220 It's like, what do you mean?

00:18:49.500 You don't want very minor tax cuts.

00:18:52.440 Absolutely.

00:18:53.160 I want major tax cuts.

00:18:54.320 What are you talking about?

00:18:55.180 What they accused her of, which was unfunded tax cuts of around $40 billion, was exceeded by the unfunded spending commitments made by Labour in the last budget.

00:19:04.780 Yes.

00:19:05.060 And no one puts the two together.

00:19:07.380 Well, the bond markets do.

00:19:09.420 Things are worse now.

00:19:10.340 And interest rates are higher than they were ever under Liz Truss.

00:19:13.740 Yeah.

00:19:14.560 But it comes back to what you were saying.

00:19:16.540 It's the reversal of their ideological commitments that they fear so much.

00:19:21.480 Yes.

00:19:21.560 They want to borrow tax and spend.

00:19:24.360 And anyone who gets in the way of that is a problem.

00:19:27.380 And the lunacy of intersectionality, the problem that they have as a bunch of communists and, frankly, degenerates, is that when they admit one error on one front, they'll have to admit it on all fronts.

00:19:39.000 The whole thing unraveled.

00:19:40.020 Exactly.

00:19:40.520 And that's why you saw Jonathan Willoughby, who now goes by the name India, threatening one of the Pakistani MPs that if you say that I'm not really a woman, I'll say that you're not really British.

00:19:51.660 And so there's a suicide pact in place.

00:19:55.860 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:19:56.240 There's a suicide.

00:19:57.040 If you tell the truth about me, I'm going to say the truth about you.

00:19:59.940 Don't you dare.

00:20:00.900 And so they're all locked into it together.

00:20:03.780 We're all going to die together.

00:20:05.760 It sort of puts Hamas to shame because at least some Hamas leaders run.

00:20:10.020 So that's what it is.

00:20:12.160 So, I mean, look at Rachel Reeves' face here. 0.83

00:20:14.160 You can see the kind of desperation and exasperation in her position, right?

00:20:18.560 And everyone's face looked like this.

00:20:21.340 They all were like just this kind of end of the road.

00:20:24.000 Ashen's face is what you're looking for. 0.93

00:20:25.240 That's right.

00:20:25.620 Well, it's an improvement on the lower quivering lip, isn't it?

00:20:28.980 I suppose it is.

00:20:30.000 And tears in the front bench.

00:20:31.620 I suppose it is.

00:20:32.660 But, you know, they're constantly promising, oh, we're going to have, you know, a library in every school.

00:20:37.660 We're going to have free school meals.

00:20:38.580 Look, none of these things are the problem with this country.

00:20:41.380 It's not that children in schools are starving to death or are unable to access textbooks or something like this.

00:20:47.420 These are not the problems.

00:20:48.740 What these are are sort of old labor boondoggles that you just think, oh, these sound good and everyone will agree with these.

00:20:54.780 And it's like, OK, but not if they come at the constant expense of taxes rising, which they do.

00:20:59.440 Yep.

00:20:59.820 The one interesting thing so far was Andy Burnham giving a little speech.

00:21:03.580 Now, I would play it, but the audio on this is atrocious.

00:21:06.200 But he does point out that Keir Starmer has created a climate of fear within the Labour Party.

00:21:11.000 And that's self-evidently true.

00:21:13.160 I mean, when he came into power in the Labour Party before they were elected, he just started, well, excising those elements that he considered unacceptable.

00:21:21.460 Basically, the Corbynistas.

00:21:22.960 He kicked them all out.

00:21:24.060 I mean, he kicked out Corbyn and he nearly kicked out Diane Abbott and various others.

00:21:27.560 And he's clearly ruling the party with an iron fist.

00:21:30.960 Yeah.

00:21:31.520 And this has created this kind of atmosphere.

00:21:34.760 And I think this is the reason why, on the stage, people could only say hypothetically positive things.

00:21:41.980 Like things that they think would be, you know, we've got to put on the brave face.

00:21:45.180 We can't really have, as he said, introspection into the current circumstances of the Labour Party now.

00:21:52.400 Because that would be to admit any kind of weakness or failure.

00:21:55.500 And like you said, the whole thing starts unravelling.

00:21:58.240 You start talking about how there are weaknesses and problems in the Labour Party.

00:22:02.280 And so Andy Burnham, who is obviously challenging Keir Starmer, is the one person I heard.

00:22:08.440 And he's not even on the main stage.

00:22:09.780 He's in like a side room speaking.

00:22:12.120 He's got a packed room.

00:22:13.040 I'll get it up just so you can see.

00:22:14.940 One thing I am worried about, and we do need to debate at this conference, in my view, is how can you have an open debate about all of those things?

00:22:24.040 If there's too much of a climate of fear within our party and the way the party is being run.

00:22:30.480 How do you get an open debate about the country?

00:22:35.480 You can see, it's a very well attended sort of side, you know, breakout room, whatever they call them.

00:22:43.120 But the point being is that obviously you can feel the fragility of the Labour Party.

00:22:48.220 Yes.

00:22:48.960 They've decided, no, we've got to all lock in and just, and as they say, they're just effing do it.

00:22:53.420 Just do things.

00:22:54.040 It's interesting to hear him argue in favour of debate when government policy right across the nation is to suck down freedom of speech.

00:23:02.460 I mean, just literally.

00:23:03.460 You know, they're doing it.

00:23:04.680 Andy Burnham's equally guilty of the whole thing.

00:23:06.820 They're all guilty of not being prepared to debate the main issues.

00:23:10.100 Absolutely.

00:23:10.680 And this, we'll get into that later, in fact, how they've been shutting down debate.

00:23:14.560 But you see this everywhere.

00:23:15.580 I mean, look at who's been arrested in the past three weeks or so.

00:23:19.200 And it's from every political angle.

00:23:22.140 It's just like, God, we've got enemies everywhere.

00:23:23.940 We need to just, you know, grab them all.

00:23:26.560 So the point being, I just wanted to end with this.

00:23:29.860 It was just, it's actually, I'm really enjoying watching the Labour Party squirm.

00:23:34.040 I'm really enjoying watching them desperately trying to figure out how they can get out of the fact that they have ruined the country.

00:23:40.820 This is the end of the Blairite project.

00:23:43.160 And that just everyone is in arms against them.

00:23:45.960 It's genuinely wonderful to watch.

00:23:47.920 And they just reek of desperation at this point, which is another thing that I like to see in my political enemies.

00:23:56.360 Anyway, Burning Beard says, I hear X just banned the YouGov account for threatening to arrest citizens.

00:24:01.740 I don't believe that.

00:24:03.220 I don't believe that.

00:24:04.600 I haven't seen that.

00:24:06.220 Ben, good luck with your party.

00:24:07.220 You and Rupert are the best of the member in need.

00:24:09.180 Unfortunately, I think Nigel will be a letdown.

00:24:10.980 Well, you don't have to persuade us, man.

00:24:14.500 I mean, on the plus side, Nigel did come out and say he was against the digital IDs.

00:24:19.520 So that's something.

00:24:21.060 That was encouraging.

00:24:22.600 Yeah.

00:24:23.220 I think the positive thing about Nigel Farage is going to be that he's going to be extremely beholden to the online right.

00:24:29.880 And that this whole story that Twitter is not real life.

00:24:33.300 Twitter is real life.

00:24:34.560 It's very much real life.

00:24:35.440 It's where the really politically engaged people are.

00:24:38.540 And it filters down.

00:24:39.960 The rest of the nation wakes up.

00:24:41.280 Whatever happened on Twitter today.

00:24:42.960 Look at Keir Starmer.

00:24:44.420 X or whatever.

00:24:45.120 Yeah.

00:24:45.560 Look at Keir Starmer of the United Kingdom rally.

00:24:47.940 His whole thing is, I was terrified by the scale of this rally.

00:24:52.040 Wherever it is.

00:24:52.860 There we go.

00:24:53.580 This interview, he's saying that he was terrified by the scale of the rally.

00:24:57.460 Well, that was organized via X.

00:24:59.360 Yeah.

00:24:59.500 That was organized by Tommy Robinson on Twitter.

00:25:01.640 So it's like, no, this is real.

00:25:03.880 Obviously, it's real people using the Internet.

00:25:06.520 And so it genuinely, with enough, you know, the scope of it becomes something that impacts national politics.

00:25:12.920 The point where the prime minister himself is basically running scared of Tommy Robinson.

00:25:17.840 Which, again.

00:25:18.980 Well, he should run scared of the million plus people, two and a half million watching online, who stand in utter opposition to the governing classes.

00:25:28.000 Yes.

00:25:28.720 That's what he should run scared of.

00:25:30.160 And the right response is to change the way you're governing.

00:25:34.620 No introspection.

00:25:35.760 No introspection.

00:25:36.340 No introspection.

00:25:37.180 Thank you very much.

00:25:37.940 Imagine the sunk cost fallacy of Keir Starmer.

00:25:41.460 Right.

00:25:42.200 Imagine how much he has poured his heart and soul into making the UK this thing.

00:25:47.660 Can you imagine?

00:25:48.300 I know his whole ideology unravels.

00:25:50.760 But can you imagine how the British electorate would respond if suddenly he were to turn around and say, look, I get it.

00:25:59.140 We're going to stop the dinghies. 0.52

00:26:00.500 We're going to deport people who are here illegally, detain them and deport them. 1.00

00:26:05.060 We're cutting your taxes.

00:26:06.200 We're slashing the welfare bill.

00:26:07.720 We're ditching net zero because it clearly isn't working.

00:26:11.500 Trump's right.

00:26:12.340 Yeah.

00:26:12.620 You know, everyone goes, wow.

00:26:13.360 I can't even imagine.

00:26:14.520 I can't even imagine.

00:26:16.320 He would do better in the polls.

00:26:18.300 Oh, yeah.

00:26:18.900 You know, people would be encouraged by that.

00:26:21.240 But Andy Burnham will end up becoming prime minister.

00:26:24.060 Maybe.

00:26:24.340 Because the parliamentary Labour Party will absolutely crucify Osama.

00:26:29.860 He's being held hostage by radicals that he was part of.

00:26:34.940 And he can't get away from it.

00:26:36.500 But he is also a true believer in the system itself, remember?

00:26:39.320 Yes.

00:26:39.480 He is a true believer in the system.

00:26:40.900 The Blairite State.

00:26:41.640 So, yeah, basically, I love watching them in an impossible position.

00:26:46.440 Because I'm not in that position myself, so it's not my problem.

00:26:49.040 And these people have been ruining the country.

00:26:51.140 So, it's good that – I like the fact that finally politics has got to an inflection point

00:26:55.000 where these people literally have nowhere to go, right?

00:26:58.060 There's nowhere they can run.

00:26:59.120 There's nowhere they can hide.

00:26:59.960 They can't put up a smokescreen.

00:27:01.580 They can't, you know, pivot.

00:27:03.000 There's nothing to pivot to.

00:27:04.460 You've exhausted every angle.

00:27:07.520 Smath says, Ben, loved your speech at the United Kingdom rally, especially the unplanned bit.

00:27:11.520 It was a good speech.

00:27:11.880 Yeah.

00:27:12.640 Well, that was on Starmer too, I think, wasn't it?

00:27:14.820 Well, that was the thing.

00:27:15.580 Yeah, exactly.

00:27:16.440 For anyone who doesn't know, the crowd sort of spontaneously started breaking out into a chorus

00:27:21.040 of Keir Starmer as a wanker, which is a widely held belief in the country.

00:27:27.780 Seems to be a point of consensus.

00:27:29.420 Yeah, I mean, we have the polling to prove it, just in case you weren't aware.

00:27:34.620 But, yeah, it's very widely held.

00:27:37.060 But, right, okay, let's move on to the next part of Labour's failing project.

00:27:41.580 Yes, sure.

00:27:42.700 So, let's talk a little bit about policing in Britain, which, according to Ms. Shabana Mahmoud,

00:27:48.620 is doing very, very well.

00:27:52.140 Bravery, duty, honour, that is what makes our police officers the finest in the world.

00:27:57.060 We honour those who made the ultimate sacrifice for this country and for us all.

00:28:00.580 Firstly, I agree with you.

00:28:01.440 Obviously, we honour the people that made a sacrifice.

00:28:04.920 Obviously.

00:28:05.260 Can we say that British police are the finest in the world these days?

00:28:09.300 Well, it's not, you know, I hear politicians repeatedly saying,

00:28:13.240 we're going to improve the criminal justice system,

00:28:15.360 we're going to recruit another 20,000 police officers.

00:28:18.160 But that's not the problem.

00:28:19.900 The problem is the police officers we've got don't know what they should be policing,

00:28:24.040 or certainly they're not policing the right things.

00:28:26.100 Correct.

00:28:26.540 You know, we get 12,000 investigations each year now into non-crime hate incidents.

00:28:31.440 Yes.

00:28:31.580 This is not where police efforts should be going.

00:28:33.700 And so recruiting any number of police officers is never going to solve the problem.

00:28:39.220 What we need is a complete root and branch reformation or restoration rather of the country

00:28:45.340 so that the police understand what their job is.

00:28:48.640 Yes.

00:28:48.940 And this is a major problem with the politicisation of the police.

00:28:52.180 Because it comes through the College of Policing where essentially they're insanely woke.

00:28:55.920 Yes.

00:28:56.180 And they give them instruction in things that, frankly,

00:28:59.740 these people are not intellectually equipped to deal with.

00:29:02.400 No.

00:29:02.580 Are you going to have an argument about the intellectual merits of transgender philosophy

00:29:06.720 with a police officer?

00:29:07.860 No.

00:29:08.200 They don't know.

00:29:09.400 They don't know what they're talking about.

00:29:10.800 They are instruments of the criminal justice system.

00:29:13.780 They're not meant to be political activists.

00:29:16.680 They're not going to break out Judith Butler and go,

00:29:18.520 yeah, well, it is a social construct, isn't it?

00:29:20.220 Can we debate this through?

00:29:22.220 Exactly.

00:29:22.960 They don't know.

00:29:23.540 And the thing is, it's not fair to make them know, to expect them to know.

00:29:26.580 Nor should they be.

00:29:27.440 They should be there to keep the peace and to arrest people who have broken the law.

00:29:30.160 Well, that's literally all they're for.

00:29:31.640 So why are we having political conversations through the medium of the police?

00:29:35.440 Yeah.

00:29:35.840 Yeah.

00:29:36.380 Exactly.

00:29:37.120 Exactly.

00:29:37.780 And as Labour panics and is in complete chaos, what they're doing is obviously doubling down

00:29:44.220 on this and while completely ignoring crime.

00:29:46.160 So you have this gentleman here, two men force themselves into his home. 0.96

00:29:51.340 This is...

00:29:52.380 Apparently produced some kind of fake tenancy agreement.

00:29:55.640 And now he's had to move in with his parents because they've literally taken away his house.

00:30:00.500 The police are like, yeah, this is a civil matter.

00:30:02.240 And it's like, no, this is not.

00:30:03.400 This is...

00:30:04.480 Someone has stolen my house from me.

00:30:06.020 Yeah.

00:30:06.420 Yeah.

00:30:06.800 I mean, imagine if this guy had children.

00:30:08.800 Oh, God.

00:30:09.620 And what do you do then?

00:30:11.820 You just let them be homeless?

00:30:13.200 Yeah.

00:30:13.360 But what are the police actually working on?

00:30:16.220 Well, they arrested Northern Variant recently for a meme that said, F Hamas, F Palestine,

00:30:23.480 F Islam. 1.00

00:30:24.340 And that was the bit that got him.

00:30:25.520 That was the bit that got him.

00:30:26.700 But apparently under the Public Order Safety or whatever Act 1986 against racial hatred.

00:30:33.060 But where's the race in any of what he said?

00:30:36.380 I have...

00:30:37.680 That's the point, isn't it?

00:30:38.600 And that's what the Labour...

00:30:40.280 They're bringing the new Islamophobia definition.

00:30:42.180 Yes.

00:30:42.480 To do is to essentially render Islam a kind of racial property.

00:30:45.860 So we've already got that, haven't we?

00:30:47.620 Yeah.

00:30:47.760 If they're arresting people, effectively, they've already implemented the law.

00:30:52.120 They're implementing a blasphemy law. 0.66

00:30:53.060 Yeah.

00:30:53.260 They're implementing a blasphemy law. 0.66

00:30:54.120 They're implementing a blasphemy law. 0.66

00:30:55.760 They can be enthusiastic when it suits them.

00:30:59.620 It goes a bit further than that, though.

00:31:01.160 Because to say Islam is a racial property of, well, the Muslims, I suppose we'll call them. 0.99

00:31:09.700 It is to create a kind of ontological and metaphysical declaration of what it is to be a Muslim.

00:31:16.280 And therefore, the Muslims can't not be Muslims. 0.94

00:31:18.980 They're not allowed to change their opinion.

00:31:20.940 They're not allowed to change their mind because then they would lose the status that the government...

00:31:24.620 Protection.

00:31:24.640 But not just that.

00:31:26.000 Yeah.

00:31:26.340 A, it's the protection.

00:31:27.200 But the government has kind of committed it to them.

00:31:29.800 Yes.

00:31:30.060 It's like saying, no, you are this thing.

00:31:32.740 You are now the victim.

00:31:33.780 You're not allowed to change your mind.

00:31:34.660 You're not allowed to critique Islam or anything like that.

00:31:36.620 And so the very idea that Islam is a religion is actually not really true by what the government

00:31:41.720 interpolates it as.

00:31:44.660 There's more to say on it, but I don't want to keep going.

00:31:47.080 But like, it's actually really, really perverse.

00:31:50.140 Yes.

00:31:50.400 It's really...

00:31:51.120 Because Islam prides itself on the idea that it is non-racial. 0.98

00:31:55.020 There's an enormous amount of racism in Muslim societies, but it prides itself on being non-racial.

00:32:00.360 And it seems that the police are just completely clueless because Dave Atherton and Tommy Robinson

00:32:09.760 were spoken to by the police about this meme.

00:32:12.600 It got absolutely nowhere.

00:32:14.100 There was nothing to charge, but they still went after Peter North for posting the same

00:32:20.640 meme.

00:32:21.180 Did he post it or did he retweet it?

00:32:23.080 I think he posted it.

00:32:24.120 I think he posted it.

00:32:25.420 I posted it again in solidarity.

00:32:27.600 Religion is a protected characteristic under British law.

00:32:31.420 So saying F-Islam kind of is by their own standards.

00:32:36.200 But that's the point.

00:32:36.740 But if you want to go down this route, the Quran makes it clear that Jews and Christians are

00:32:42.580 kuffar and are unbelievers.

00:32:45.220 And it also legitimates all kinds of violence against kuffar.

00:32:49.140 You don't have to persuade me.

00:32:50.540 You've got to persuade the British government.

00:32:52.240 Yeah, fair enough.

00:32:53.000 Who appear to be a fully Islamic state at this point, frankly.

00:32:56.020 Yes, that they are beholden and terrified of the Muslim mob and they are behaving accordingly. 1.00

00:33:03.440 And there is no principle behind it.

00:33:05.800 The police officers apparently didn't know what Hamas was.

00:33:09.960 I know that's just outrageous, isn't it?

00:33:11.980 Now, I don't know if they were playing coy.

00:33:14.280 Which they may have been.

00:33:15.040 Which they may have been.

00:33:15.960 Or if they're genuinely that stupid.

00:33:17.920 Well, I mean, is it their job to know what Hamas is? 0.67

00:33:20.120 No, not really.

00:33:20.880 You have to have been asleep under a rock.

00:33:23.020 You do, yeah.

00:33:23.840 Not to know what Hamas is.

00:33:25.160 You do.

00:33:25.820 But, I mean, if I was a police officer, I'd probably not want to get involved with politics at the end of the day either.

00:33:30.900 It is a proscribed terrorist organisation.

00:33:33.040 It is, yeah.

00:33:33.860 It is.

00:33:34.600 Yep.

00:33:35.780 But they also detained two of the leaders of Britain first.

00:33:39.760 And I just want to play this clip because it's absolutely hilarious to show you the extent of confusion by the police.

00:33:45.140 Firstly, notice that the lady officers look like they're teenagers. 1.00

00:33:50.460 You're just holding us up for no reason.

00:33:54.220 Okay.

00:33:54.780 Have we committed a crime?

00:33:56.120 We're just trying to have a discussion at the minute.

00:33:57.580 No, I'm asking you a question.

00:33:59.380 Have we committed a crime?

00:34:01.520 So there's the feminisation aspect of it.

00:34:04.740 Let's just have a chat.

00:34:05.800 I don't want to chat with you.

00:34:07.120 Either I'm under arrest or I'm not.

00:34:09.220 Why are you detaining me?

00:34:09.820 Exactly.

00:34:10.940 Either I'm under arrest or I'm not.

00:34:12.700 I don't want to chat.

00:34:13.380 At the minute, you've got the word wanker that's displayed on the side.

00:34:16.260 So, someone might take offence to that.

00:34:17.840 I wonder who that's talking about.

00:34:18.920 You might see it in a different way.

00:34:20.500 That's not a crime, is it?

00:34:21.760 It's a public order.

00:34:22.580 The only person who would take offence to that is Keir Starmer.

00:34:25.280 Everyone else agrees with it.

00:34:26.800 I'm not saying anything.

00:34:27.820 And we have the polling to demonstrate.

00:34:30.300 Everyone else agrees with it.

00:34:31.800 Let's not forget that.

00:34:32.780 Scientifically proven.

00:34:33.560 He's not lying.

00:34:34.180 Paul Golding is not lying.

00:34:35.240 Okay.

00:34:36.000 I've got to remain biased, but that's obviously why I've come down to this.

00:34:38.820 So, if we've not committed a criminal offence, then can we go?

00:34:41.760 Well, just for the time being, we've gone.

00:34:43.100 It's in terms of you've got Britain First written on the side of the van.

00:34:46.940 What's wrong with that?

00:34:47.520 It's a prescribed organisation.

00:34:48.740 What are these girls doing? 1.00

00:34:51.560 This isn't the worst part.

00:34:53.020 Well, you said they weren't prepared to get involved in politics.

00:34:55.900 Yes.

00:34:56.220 Now they've misdescribed Britain First.

00:34:58.540 We just want to have a discussion.

00:34:59.740 They've described them as a prescribed organisation.

00:35:01.340 Because on one of their manuals, when they looked up Britain First,

00:35:05.080 they found far right.

00:35:07.280 Yes.

00:35:07.540 They assumed that everybody far right is prescribed, by definition,

00:35:12.020 because we don't tolerate the far right.

00:35:14.240 And therefore, they decided to proceed as though they had some legal basis for their actions.

00:35:19.900 So, the stupidity of the police and the youth and naivete of the police are really problems here.

00:35:26.380 Because anybody with experience and any decency is left already.

00:35:29.520 We saw the gentleman who was fired from the police because he said some nasty words to a guy that he was arresting,

00:35:37.540 who was trying to stab someone.

00:35:38.760 It was a couple of months ago.

00:35:39.780 And now you have these, I mean, their ability to exercise authority is predicated on British men's restraint. 0.69

00:35:50.100 I was going to come to this.

00:35:51.260 Absolutely.

00:35:52.060 Because if they decide to push back, what are they going to do?

00:35:55.280 What are they going to do?

00:35:56.260 Yeah.

00:35:56.600 It's all assumed that the average Englishman will just comply with the police.

00:36:00.580 Exactly.

00:36:00.740 That's why they think they can send 100 pound soaking wet young men.

00:36:05.700 These big girls are in danger.

00:36:07.640 Yeah.

00:36:07.900 They're brainwashing them and putting them in danger.

00:36:10.260 And as Orwell said, the most vicious party operators were the young women. 1.00

00:36:16.780 They know that the process is the punishment.

00:36:19.620 They're willing to go through the process.

00:36:21.800 For Pete North, he had some kind of autism episode that really could have gotten him killed because of his blood pressure issues.

00:36:30.980 They took him and questioned him for five, six hours in the middle of the night.

00:36:36.500 They had no reason to show up at night.

00:36:39.460 It's all outrageous.

00:36:39.820 They're using this for the same reason.

00:36:42.020 They're using this process as punishment. 0.99

00:36:44.180 And here with the British First guys, they found that they had nothing to arrest them for.

00:36:51.480 So they summoned a traffic officer from half an hour away.

00:36:57.560 To check the vehicle.

00:36:58.300 To check the vehicle to see if they could find some reason to stop that vehicle and threaten to impound it.

00:37:06.360 This goes back to where we just started the discussion.

00:37:08.740 How can the police possibly control crime if this is how they're behaving?

00:37:13.140 What crime are they concerned about?

00:37:14.560 Yeah.

00:37:14.740 What crime are they concerned about?

00:37:16.260 They're looking for the crime.

00:37:17.600 And there can be no better example.

00:37:18.500 If I can just quickly say this.

00:37:19.560 There can be no better example of how our criminal justice system clearly isn't working.

00:37:24.600 Last year, at the time that they were releasing dangerous repeat criminals from prison to make room in prison cells, they were incarcerating people for what they'd said on X.

00:37:34.760 Yep.

00:37:35.080 Over Southport.

00:37:35.920 You know, over Southport.

00:37:37.860 Absolutely absurd.

00:37:39.260 Lucy Connolly, threat to the peace. 0.57

00:37:41.260 Yeah.

00:37:41.640 Peter Lynch, a threat to the police.

00:37:42.980 61-year-old grandfather who sadly then took his own life in prison because he couldn't cope with it.

00:37:47.960 The whole system needs rewiring.

00:37:50.960 It's a deep dive of rewiring the system.

00:37:53.520 It's an expressly political system, though, isn't it?

00:37:55.640 The criminals are not a political threat to the Labour Party.

00:37:58.320 In fact, they'll cheer Keir Starmer when he lets them out of jail.

00:38:01.440 So they're not a problem.

00:38:02.540 They don't threaten the political integrity of the system.

00:38:04.900 It's you saying Keir Starmer is a wanker.

00:38:08.360 That does.

00:38:09.520 Maybe I'm going to be arrested for that.

00:38:11.620 Well, I'm just going to say I repeated what the crowd was saying.

00:38:15.220 It wasn't me, Gov.

00:38:16.280 I stand on it.

00:38:17.600 I stand on it.

00:38:18.020 We need our martyrs.

00:38:19.140 We definitely need.

00:38:21.760 They arrested George Galloway on terrorism charges.

00:38:25.260 He was coming back from Russia.

00:38:27.220 And they asked him about his views of Sergei Lavrov.

00:38:30.640 Why is he a fan of Sergei Lavrov?

00:38:32.840 I have my views why I respect Sergei Lavrov.

00:38:37.260 He's very good at what he does.

00:38:39.100 And when Liz Truss was foreign secretary, he absolutely humiliated her.

00:38:41.680 He's really the foreign minister of Russia.

00:38:42.820 Foreign minister of Russia.

00:38:43.480 I didn't want to put my foot in it.

00:38:44.840 But he's a very capable, old, experienced diplomat, isn't he?

00:38:49.080 Extremely capable.

00:38:49.920 Love him, hate him, doesn't matter.

00:38:51.540 But he's obviously capable.

00:38:53.220 They asked him about his views of Xi Jinping.

00:38:55.660 They asked his wife why she had painted her nails in the Palestinian flag.

00:39:01.920 Really?

00:39:03.080 And they stopped for five hours.

00:39:05.660 They would have preferred an entire flag wrapped around her shoulder. 0.93

00:39:08.240 I don't understand what was the problem.

00:39:10.060 But they held them for five hours so that he missed some event that he was speaking at

00:39:14.620 where the Chinese ambassador was in attendance.

00:39:17.000 There we go.

00:39:17.800 So it was clear political harassment.

00:39:21.260 Clear, deliberate political harassment.

00:39:23.560 He was held under terrorism laws.

00:39:25.840 Meaning that he was told that he's not under arrest and he can't leave and he can't stay silent.

00:39:34.540 Oh.

00:39:35.800 That's what they detained Tommy Robinson under as well.

00:39:38.300 Yes.

00:39:38.880 And they're using these more and more widely in order to get their way.

00:39:42.700 At no point did they ask George Galloway, and I don't like George Galloway, but at no point

00:39:49.980 did they ask George Galloway, were you involved in trying to bomb something?

00:39:54.500 Were you...

00:39:55.180 What was the terrorist act?

00:39:56.840 Freedom of thought.

00:39:57.900 That's terroristic.

00:39:58.860 Exactly.

00:39:59.380 Exactly.

00:40:00.020 I mean, I think he's wrong about most important things in life.

00:40:03.380 I think he's right about a couple of things.

00:40:04.160 George Galloway is not just wrong about almost everything.

00:40:06.900 Honestly, I put him in the same league as Corbyn as just being a traitor.

00:40:09.820 Completely.

00:40:10.300 He's an enemy of the British people, and he sides with every foreign interest against

00:40:14.100 us.

00:40:14.700 And it's really annoying that he's such a good rhetorician, because I actually really

00:40:18.620 enjoy listening to him talk.

00:40:20.200 Yes.

00:40:20.320 Like, when he gives a speech on something, you can't deny his skill, but he's a traitor.

00:40:24.380 I mean, you know.

00:40:25.280 Yep.

00:40:26.060 But if we're going to hold people under terrorism charges...

00:40:28.600 But he's not a terrorist, he's an idiot.

00:40:30.180 Exactly.

00:40:30.860 And then we legitimize this guy.

00:40:32.600 Yeah.

00:40:32.960 And then we would write...

00:40:33.240 This is what I can't get my head around.

00:40:35.200 Yes.

00:40:36.000 A literal Al-Qaeda head tropper. 0.67

00:40:37.940 I know.

00:40:38.380 Who's still killing people in Syria. 0.82

00:40:40.300 The Alawis are still being slaughtered. 1.00

00:40:42.120 The Alawis, the Druze, a lot of pressure on the Christian community. 0.99

00:40:46.120 And he gets welcomed by the UN.

00:40:48.160 Red carpet rolled out.

00:40:50.300 And David Lamy proceeds to give him a hundred million pounds.

00:40:54.020 Exactly.

00:40:54.540 That's literally all it's come down to.

00:40:56.280 That's exactly what it's come down to.

00:40:57.460 That's exactly what it's come down to.

00:40:58.880 That's all it's come down to.

00:41:00.000 So, Kevork Almacian had a banger.

00:41:03.300 This is...

00:41:03.740 This is Julenny's wanted poster from the United States.

00:41:10.380 From 2017.

00:41:11.360 From 2017.

00:41:12.400 Yeah.

00:41:12.720 $10 million reward.

00:41:14.720 Oh.

00:41:15.520 Cash it in.

00:41:15.720 Our friend is trying to cash in.

00:41:17.260 Yeah.

00:41:17.960 While he's having a chat with David Petraeus, former head of the CIA.

00:41:21.340 It's just extraordinary.

00:41:22.660 It's absolutely...

00:41:23.880 And then we wonder why there's geopolitical instability.

00:41:26.860 Yeah.

00:41:27.020 Yeah.

00:41:27.260 Exactly.

00:41:27.780 Exactly.

00:41:28.140 I mean, if you're going to go around arresting terrorists, I think David Lamy has been collaborating

00:41:32.220 with terrorists.

00:41:33.680 I have very good reason to believe that.

00:41:35.040 He literally is collaborating with the terrorists right here.

00:41:37.760 I think there's a terrorism financing charge waiting for some people in the foreign office.

00:41:43.100 David, you can make some money out of this.

00:41:46.480 It's just the level of absurdity of it is the most insulting part.

00:41:52.140 But this is also...

00:41:54.200 This must be remembered.

00:41:55.260 It's a deliberate humiliation ritual.

00:41:57.840 They've been wanting to rub your noses in it for quite some time.

00:42:01.580 They know that this is a humiliation ritual.

00:42:03.820 They are going to keep on doing it until things are out of control.

00:42:08.240 And as someone from Lebanon who's...

00:42:10.360 They being the Labour government.

00:42:11.760 The Labour government.

00:42:12.420 The sort of liberal establishment, whatever you want to call them.

00:42:15.280 As someone from a sort of war-torn country, I pray that we don't go there.

00:42:20.100 But please, Keir Starmer, some introspection.

00:42:24.540 Huh?

00:42:25.160 He told us very clearly.

00:42:27.280 Now is not the time for introspection.

00:42:29.580 Which I agree with.

00:42:30.460 He's not going to do that.

00:42:32.600 They arrested Katie Hopkins or spoke to her because she said that some... 0.89

00:42:37.820 Because she described herself as a spaz. 0.95

00:42:40.080 As a spastic. 0.99

00:42:41.800 When did they do this to Katie? 1.00

00:42:43.720 Only the other day, yeah.

00:42:44.980 Last week.

00:42:45.540 Yeah, the 23rd.

00:42:48.340 Because there's so many of them, Ben.

00:42:50.140 You can't keep up with all of them.

00:42:51.520 No, I know.

00:42:51.580 It's very difficult.

00:42:52.660 Though I imagine Katie can give as good as she gets. 1.00

00:42:55.040 Yes.

00:42:55.300 No doubt.

00:42:56.240 Yes.

00:42:57.200 And we have Ed Dutton coming to her defense.

00:43:01.860 Saying that she's well within her right to use the word spastic. 1.00

00:43:05.560 Good for Ed.

00:43:06.900 Good for Ed.

00:43:07.640 Yeah, yeah.

00:43:08.000 It's, it's, I mean, really the police are going after this kind of stuff.

00:43:13.940 But remember, they're the finest.

00:43:15.860 Yeah.

00:43:16.320 They're the finest.

00:43:17.380 Yes, and Sarah White, of course.

00:43:19.000 Yes.

00:43:19.500 So they arrested this lady because she put up the flag on the stairs when the protest area was supposed to stop at the bottom of the stairs. 1.00

00:43:28.440 Oh, thank God.

00:43:29.300 Someone's protecting us.

00:43:31.720 Enough of a crime to arrest her. 1.00

00:43:34.600 Oh, my God.

00:43:35.800 You see them here.

00:43:37.420 But you know, just on that, I'm just going to have a little dig at Farah, if I may.

00:43:42.460 Sarah White is a prospective counselor for Reform UK.

00:43:46.280 And not one senior member of Reform has spoken up for her, for her right to protest.

00:43:52.780 They are also trying to save what can be saved from the establishment.

00:43:57.700 But they perhaps do not accept the extent of the rot that needs to be burnt away.

00:44:04.080 But it's strange how...

00:44:05.320 I think it's more...

00:44:06.620 I think it's less prosaic than I think Farah just wants power at any cost.

00:44:12.400 And he'll just say...

00:44:13.100 But this would be such an easy win.

00:44:15.520 Oh, they've arrested our counselor for flying the British flag.

00:44:18.580 This allows me to very easily jam a wedge between the Labour Party and the patriots.

00:44:23.720 Right.

00:44:23.860 And point out that actually you're not very patriotic if you're arresting people for flying the British flag.

00:44:28.720 Whereas, of course, we're not going to arrest people for flying the British flag.

00:44:30.800 But I think reform has forbidden people to go to these...

00:44:34.400 They have, yeah.

00:44:34.920 ...migrant hotel protests.

00:44:36.600 Yes.

00:44:36.780 But it tells you precisely where their mind is.

00:44:40.400 You know, it's the same micromanaging procedural mindset.

00:44:46.720 Of the Labour Party.

00:44:48.380 Of the Labour Party.

00:44:48.660 Of the Tory Party.

00:44:49.760 Absolutely right.

00:44:50.820 It's the same micromanaging proceduralist mindset that is not focused on principle and that is not...

00:44:59.680 And it's focused on party interests, party before country.

00:45:03.120 More than that, it's just he doesn't want anybody to put him in a awkward position where the media would be angry with him.

00:45:11.760 In the same way that Boris Johnson decided to open the floodgates so that the FT would write better headlines.

00:45:17.320 But there's no redemption.

00:45:18.280 It's the same mindset.

00:45:19.080 There's no redemption for this country through that mindset.

00:45:22.420 And moreover, I suspect that it's inhibiting Farage's polling.

00:45:26.240 Yes.

00:45:27.640 Like, don't get me wrong, being at like 30 to sort of 33% of the polls is very good.

00:45:32.460 But why aren't you at 40 or 50%?

00:45:34.920 Everyone agrees with the problems.

00:45:37.140 Like, why aren't you going full bore and going hard on basically patriotism and what the problem are?

00:45:43.280 I think he's made... The first mistake he makes is not to actually be the man that the people want him to be.

00:45:49.040 Yes.

00:45:49.680 But also, I think the other mistake he's made is he hasn't realized how strongly the people feel about this.

00:45:55.460 No.

00:45:55.660 And he must have looked at the Unite the Kingdom march and thought, blimey, I should have been on that stage.

00:46:00.900 I bet he got FOMO.

00:46:02.180 What's the reason not to?

00:46:03.800 They're the British people.

00:46:05.120 Yeah.

00:46:05.280 They're your people.

00:46:06.500 Speak to the people.

00:46:07.540 A million people are in the streets, Nigel.

00:46:09.320 They would have liked to have heard from you.

00:46:11.000 Yeah.

00:46:11.560 Quite.

00:46:12.920 But he missed such an opportunity.

00:46:14.420 And he's missing the point.

00:46:16.560 And without wishing to bring Advance UK into it, that's why there is room for a party like Advance UK.

00:46:22.560 Because even though...

00:46:23.480 It's not even there's room.

00:46:24.160 It's necessary.

00:46:24.860 It's necessary.

00:46:25.920 It's absolutely...

00:46:26.620 Well, thank you.

00:46:27.280 I think it's absolutely vital that there is a party like Advance UK.

00:46:31.320 And even though people are saying, oh, you're going to split the vote, we can have a whole debate about splitting votes.

00:46:35.880 But I think Farage and reform are going to be in for a surprise because the Overton window is much further over than they think it is.

00:46:44.200 And when we get our registration and when we start polling, we're going to make a much bigger impact.

00:46:50.700 And the numbers that you're seeing for reform are going to change quite dramatically.

00:46:54.780 I think Farage doesn't understand the British public is far to his right on almost every issue at this point.

00:47:00.060 Yes. And I think if you think about the success of the left, it was the result of very strong activists very much further to the left of Tony Blair and Keir Starmer.

00:47:11.800 Pulling him over.

00:47:12.600 Pulling them over, holding their feet to the fire, holding them accountable, keeping on pressing them to make sure that they don't abandon the rest of the project.

00:47:21.580 And so Advance UK, Restore, these other groupings should play the same precise role in terms of imposing a level of integrity on someone like Nigel Farage.

00:47:37.600 Yeah. I think the word is almost at least a paradox, if not a contradiction.

00:47:43.200 Yes.

00:47:45.120 Hence impose.

00:47:46.660 Hence impose. Not encourage.

00:47:49.380 Farage is not going to be here forever.

00:47:52.300 No.

00:47:52.580 One thing that I think people are forgetting.

00:47:54.600 Because Zia Yusuf next. 0.51

00:47:55.900 Well, that's the point. Without Farage, who have they actually got to be his successor?

00:48:00.600 Well, it's obviously Zia Yusuf. He's been grooming for this position.

00:48:03.820 But are you going to follow Zia Yusuf?

00:48:05.920 Are you going to, you know, obviously we're probably a bad example for the room.

00:48:09.220 But what percentage of reformed voters are actually going to be like, yeah, my man is now Zia Yusuf?

00:48:14.000 Yes.

00:48:14.600 No, it is a Farage phenomena.

00:48:16.300 Well, that's what they're telling us. And okay, I'll accept it, you know.

00:48:18.620 Yeah.

00:48:19.020 So what happens afterwards?

00:48:20.860 Yeah.

00:48:21.600 Sorry, that's Karen. 1.00

00:48:22.640 No, I mean, let's just sort of see what the police are busying themselves with.

00:48:27.180 I'll just head on down to the protest then.

00:48:30.100 Right, you've got to put your flag away until you get there.

00:48:32.660 What's happening here?

00:48:34.000 The thing that I've got to...

00:48:35.020 The police are ordering someone to put the flag away until he gets the protest.

00:48:39.860 What do you mean, put it away? Have you seen the size of it, love? What am I going to do with it?

00:48:43.320 What are my options here?

00:48:44.960 Why is this your concern?

00:48:46.940 Why is this your concern?

00:48:48.660 English man walking around with an England flag? You better put that away, bro.

00:48:51.700 And he looks like...

00:48:52.440 Well, this was happening yesterday when I was in Newcastle.

00:48:56.040 Yes, yes.

00:48:57.620 Because there was a protest up the road.

00:48:59.020 You know, UKIP were marching and I don't know if this was part of the UKIP march, but this is extraordinary.

00:49:03.340 16-year-old girl.

00:49:04.720 Look at the way he grabs that flag and rips it out.

00:49:12.140 Well, he's a real man.

00:49:13.280 He grabbed it out of the hands of a 16-year-old girl.

00:49:15.420 But the thing about that is, isn't it, it's like, we like to pretend that, oh, well, the police, they're just good people who are just following rules and it's the people making the rules that are bad.

00:49:25.180 Well, not all of them, actually.

00:49:26.320 Not really.

00:49:26.760 Some of them are absolutely total jobsworths who enjoy doing this.

00:49:30.020 Yeah, you can see two things from this.

00:49:33.560 You can see zero respect for the flag, which is, I think, substantially, it's a substantial point.

00:49:40.500 It's important.

00:49:41.120 Yes.

00:49:41.300 And you can see the power trip, and you can see the power trip, and you see that with all of these officers who are sort of playing very polite and trying to control themselves, but you could also see the seething.

00:49:53.320 I remember I was arrested one time for distributing pamphlets about, please don't have transsexuals reading to children. 1.00

00:50:01.340 And the officer arresting me when he read my pamphlet began trembling.

00:50:06.660 Really?

00:50:07.000 Literally began trembling in a sort of uncontrollable, seething rage.

00:50:13.040 I found a transphobe.

00:50:13.960 Oh, my God.

00:50:14.380 They warned me this would happen.

00:50:15.520 Exactly.

00:50:16.080 And I asked them, you're arresting me.

00:50:18.460 Why are you shaking?

00:50:19.900 You know?

00:50:20.200 Yeah, I should be shaking.

00:50:23.940 And then they turned nasty.

00:50:25.780 They tried to tell me, oh, you know, we can dispose of you in a couple of ways.

00:50:30.540 I'm like, do whatever you want.

00:50:31.580 Did you explain to them that you were an immigrant?

00:50:32.940 That might have helped.

00:50:33.560 Well, maybe I should have.

00:50:35.620 You don't look and feel like an immigrant. 1.00

00:50:37.300 Maybe.

00:50:37.640 Well, I try my best to integrate, Ben.

00:50:40.960 So you see that on the personal level, it turned out some senior guy spoke to me.

00:50:46.740 And at the end, I tried to shake his hand, but it was in public before I got arrested.

00:50:50.460 Just trying to be a gentleman about it.

00:50:52.400 He absolutely refused because he was worried that the Trantifa, who were there protesting one guy with pamphlets, would snap a photograph of him.

00:51:01.380 And that would be the end of his career.

00:51:03.140 Right.

00:51:04.360 So the senior most officers are completely woke.

00:51:09.760 Yeah.

00:51:10.500 And the people with any integrity have left.

00:51:14.380 And you see these kids on a power trip who are completely ideological.

00:51:19.220 And that constitutes the police force.

00:51:21.040 The two girls were the Britain first guys.

00:51:22.600 That was a power trip.

00:51:23.740 Exactly.

00:51:24.160 That was 100% a power trip.

00:51:25.840 Because there's no way.

00:51:26.920 You know, Paul Goldman's not a small guy.

00:51:28.280 There's no way that these young ladies would have been able to bully him outside of that context.

00:51:32.880 Exactly.

00:51:33.940 And so, you know, when you can, maybe you should consider doing this.

00:51:42.200 Hello.

00:51:43.100 Hello.

00:51:43.740 How are you?

00:51:44.400 I'm fine.

00:51:45.180 Can I ask you the purpose of your recording today, sir?

00:51:47.220 No, thank you.

00:51:48.360 Sorry?

00:51:48.840 No, thank you.

00:51:49.440 Why not?

00:51:50.460 I don't wish to talk today.

00:51:51.820 Sorry?

00:51:52.380 I don't wish to talk today.

00:51:53.840 I can't understand you, sir.

00:51:55.280 I don't wish to talk today.

00:51:56.440 Thank you.

00:51:56.860 You don't wish to talk?

00:51:57.420 No, thank you.

00:51:58.260 Okay, where have you come from?

00:52:01.280 Where are you going to?

00:52:03.700 Just completely ignored them.

00:52:05.980 Walked away.

00:52:06.820 How dare the policeman ask him where he's from and where he's going?

00:52:09.780 Why he's recording.

00:52:10.720 I'm walking down straight to the point.

00:52:11.700 I can do whatever I like.

00:52:12.520 I know.

00:52:12.960 Because the law is written in such a way so that if someone claims to be offended,

00:52:18.820 if someone claims to be upset,

00:52:20.620 if someone claims to have been caused distress,

00:52:22.860 the police can intervene.

00:52:23.840 And the way the law is written in a manner that permits the police to intervene in any political speech on that basis.

00:52:33.560 Because if I disagree with you with your politics,

00:52:35.480 there's a good chance one of us might get offended.

00:52:38.740 You know, especially if it gets into a heated argument, which it always does on X.

00:52:42.340 And it's not just that as well.

00:52:43.600 The general atmosphere of the institution is very clearly,

00:52:47.760 you've got to make sure that those people who are following the rules are following them in the way that we want them followed.

00:52:52.660 Yes, quite.

00:52:52.940 Don't worry about those violent criminals with the knives.

00:52:54.860 Yes.

00:52:55.000 You won't be tasked with investigating that.

00:52:57.240 Yes.

00:52:57.420 But, you know, the chap walking down the street, make sure that, you know, you know where he's going.

00:53:01.860 So the police are saying that they want the law changed so that they don't have to police tweets.

00:53:06.520 But last I checked...

00:53:07.640 Surely it's discretionary anyway.

00:53:10.440 In the same way that they, on their own discretion, choose not to pursue shoplifting, theft, rape, murder.

00:53:17.800 Burglaries.

00:53:18.320 When Shabana Mahmoud says these are the finest, that this is the finest police force, I'm sorry, this is official government data.

00:53:27.000 And I'm going to read some segments from it.

00:53:30.580 The proportion of crimes, excluding fraud and computer misuse, resulting in a charge or summons increased slightly.

00:53:39.740 5.7%.

00:53:41.220 Oh my God.

00:53:43.240 I just...

00:53:43.800 There's a 94.3% chance you just won't be charged.

00:53:47.120 Exactly.

00:53:47.560 Just...

00:53:48.200 Any crime you commit, you have to be a moron to get arrested if you commit a crime in Britain other than tweeting or saying something.

00:53:56.620 Hang on now.

00:53:57.060 Calm down.

00:53:57.600 I was going to say calm down because that's throwing a lot of shade on the online right there.

00:54:00.600 Because we're getting arrested constantly.

00:54:02.760 Exactly.

00:54:03.320 Exactly.

00:54:03.820 And of course, a much smaller proportion get convicted.

00:54:06.240 Of course.

00:54:06.780 Yes.

00:54:07.220 Of course.

00:54:07.880 Precisely.

00:54:08.540 Precisely.

00:54:09.040 God damn.

00:54:09.800 The most common reason is no suspect having been identified.

00:54:14.100 They couldn't find anybody.

00:54:15.240 You did it, bro.

00:54:17.560 And around one in nine offenses involving a firearm were closed with a charge or a summons.

00:54:25.480 Oh my God.

00:54:26.100 So about 12% of all shootings resulted in some criminal action.

00:54:33.140 Some serious criminal action.

00:54:34.160 But you know why this is, right?

00:54:35.600 It's because they are dealing with communities that basically do not recognize their authority.

00:54:39.860 Precisely.

00:54:40.160 And will not cooperate with them.

00:54:41.460 Precisely.

00:54:41.860 Of course, the police, if something happens in sort of like, you know, my area, you know, mostly middle class white people.

00:54:47.060 So they will.

00:54:47.640 Oh, did you hear something?

00:54:48.580 Oh, yeah.

00:54:48.900 Maybe I did.

00:54:49.480 You know.

00:54:50.000 But, you know, if you're, it's the sort of Sasha Johnson case.

00:54:53.280 Do you know about that case?

00:54:54.400 No, I don't.

00:54:54.860 So there's this radical black activist, young lady called Sasha Johnson, constantly defund the police. 1.00

00:55:01.020 I hate white people and that sort of stuff.

00:55:02.440 And at a house party, she was out on a Sunday night at like 3 a.m., some urban youths turned up and started shooting into the house.

00:55:09.960 She took a bullet to the brain and is now in a wheelchair.

00:55:13.420 And no one knows who did it because the community will not cooperate with the police to find the people who did it.

00:55:18.840 And so it's exactly that example of we don't cooperate with the police.

00:55:22.720 And so you're now in a wheelchair forever. 0.55

00:55:24.660 And whoever did this to you will get away with it.

00:55:26.400 And nothing will ever happen.

00:55:27.620 Yep.

00:55:28.020 I suppose on X, they know precisely who posted it.

00:55:30.660 Well, I mean, possibly.

00:55:33.060 But this is the point, right?

00:55:35.700 They don't recognize the legitimacy of the police.

00:55:37.560 Exactly.

00:55:38.060 And you see the same with the knife crime.

00:55:39.800 The police don't feel like they are legitimate policing those communities either because of all of the woke ideology.

00:55:44.800 And so they don't feel, because I mean, okay, let's assume, like you go back 50, 60 years.

00:55:50.180 Okay, you've got a community who like, we don't recognize the authority of the police.

00:55:52.920 And the police be like, okay, but we've got the clubs.

00:55:55.140 You know, we don't care.

00:55:56.240 But now they won't go there.

00:55:57.680 Exactly.

00:55:58.000 Now they're like, well, I mean, you know, better avoid that.

00:56:00.820 It's like, no, you club them in submission.

00:56:02.660 They will recognize the authority.

00:56:04.340 And it was like, again, with the Southport protests, with the counter protests, where the police were pleading with the counter protesters not to take out weapons.

00:56:11.980 Put the weapons in the mosques. 1.00

00:56:12.920 Put the weapons in the mosques. 1.00

00:56:15.180 Please.

00:56:16.040 Please.

00:56:16.600 Yeah, yeah, sorry, yeah.

00:56:17.600 Don't forget the please.

00:56:18.520 Yeah.

00:56:19.420 Courtesy is very important in a situation like that.

00:56:21.580 That's the point.

00:56:22.060 The stewards of these communities, not the rulers of these communities.

00:56:25.200 Exactly, exactly, exactly.

00:56:28.500 And the rate of arresting people, charging people for crimes has gone down from 11% in the good old days of 2016 to just 4.6% where there is a victim identified.

00:56:44.400 Must be Brexit, I guess, is it?

00:56:46.120 Yeah, another reason to rejoin.

00:56:54.040 As in, they've let go.

00:56:56.520 Yeah, yeah.

00:56:57.080 And Shabana Mahmood is saying that they're the finest.

00:56:59.120 Come on.

00:56:59.920 Well, hey, let's take a look.

00:57:01.420 This is the plan.

00:57:02.260 This is what they want for the country, right?

00:57:03.800 In fact, let's go on to the next bit because this dovetails very nicely with what I'd like to talk about next.

00:57:09.800 Sorry.

00:57:10.300 Yeah, please.

00:57:11.000 In the interest of time.

00:57:13.320 So, Keir Starmer has recently come out and said, you know what?

00:57:17.020 The current state of the country, I think it's beautiful.

00:57:20.360 I think it's tolerant.

00:57:21.100 I think it's meaningless.

00:57:22.320 This is Britain as envisaged by the Blairite managerial class.

00:57:26.680 I love and have pride in my country and I want to serve the whole of our country, our beautiful, tolerant, diverse country.

00:57:35.300 And I want to serve the whole of that country.

00:57:37.360 And I was arguing against reform because reform do not believe in that country.

00:57:42.500 They want to tear that country apart.

00:57:44.640 What was said last week about deporting migrants who are lawfully here, who've been here for years, working in our hospitals, in our schools, running businesses, our neighbours, and reform say they want to deport them.

00:57:59.080 That would tear our country apart.

00:58:01.620 We are at the moment a leading member of the coalition of the willing.

00:58:06.280 So, we'll pause it there because that, I think, is a fascinating, fascinating statement.

00:58:11.680 Because what they're doing is when he says our country, we could say, yeah, your country, their country, not our country.

00:58:19.400 There are two separate groups that are being identified here.

00:58:22.840 And he, and honestly, you're right, Nigel Farage did not say anything of the sort.

00:58:26.980 But that is actually what is kind of being pushed up by the Unite the Kingdom rally.

00:58:31.800 The old Britain before the Blairite project still exists to a certain degree in, in fact, most of the country.

00:58:38.380 But the new Britain that he's thinking of where, oh, we've brought on all of these people against your will.

00:58:43.080 And now they are as important.

00:58:45.580 Absolutely.

00:58:46.100 They are as important as the people who have been here since Cheddar Mack.

00:58:49.620 Actually, Carl, they're more important.

00:58:50.920 Well, that's true.

00:58:51.700 Because they have protected characteristics.

00:58:53.180 Absolutely.

00:58:53.860 And must be promoted and celebrated.

00:58:55.700 And that's where he talks about diversity.

00:58:57.540 That's where the division comes in.

00:58:59.160 Precisely.

00:58:59.940 And so just a quick thing.

00:59:02.020 This is what he recognises.

00:59:03.580 He sees the modern, multicultural UK, Britain, where no one's ever arrested, nothing works, there's not enough housing, there's not enough services, the NHS is collapsing, the fact that everyone's unhappy, that country, that was the ideal. 1.00

00:59:18.060 That's how things were supposed to be.

00:59:19.840 That's why Shabana Mahmood is like, oh, yeah, the police are doing a great job. 0.90

00:59:22.260 No, they're terrible.

00:59:22.940 What are you talking about?

00:59:24.260 They say they don't love our country.

00:59:25.740 Well, have you looked at the state of it?

00:59:27.400 Have you looked at what you've done to our country?

00:59:29.100 Swindon, and I say this every time, 15 years ago, Swindon was actually a quite nice place.

00:59:34.400 It was actually really quite nice.

00:59:36.100 And it was, you know, not very exciting, but it was just normal and it was familiar.

00:59:40.460 And there were people there who you recognised.

00:59:42.620 And now it's just a wasteland of strangers from all over the world.

00:59:46.440 And they've been brought here against our will.

00:59:48.060 And Keir Starman was like, yeah, I love that country.

00:59:50.240 It's like, well, I'm sorry, Keir.

00:59:51.420 I do want to tear that country apart.

00:59:53.140 I want those people to go home.

00:59:54.900 We don't know who they are.

00:59:55.720 They shouldn't be here.

00:59:56.440 They weren't brought here with our consent.

00:59:58.420 So they can just go.

01:00:00.200 And you say, OK, well, he's...

01:00:01.820 Actually, they're brought here against our consent.

01:00:03.580 Well, yeah, exactly.

01:00:04.500 Because there's been successive governments elected over and over on cutting immigration.

01:00:10.460 And they've done the opposite.

01:00:11.760 Every manifesto.

01:00:12.860 Yeah, every manifesto.

01:00:13.920 Since probably before John Major.

01:00:15.860 Including this lot.

01:00:16.880 Yeah.

01:00:17.060 He said they'd stop illegal migrants.

01:00:18.680 He can't even call them illegal migrants.

01:00:20.140 He calls them irregular migrants.

01:00:21.560 Yeah.

01:00:22.060 Because he doesn't see them as illegal.

01:00:23.880 And so it's like, OK, well, OK, Keir.

01:00:26.140 You're like, they're our friends and our neighbours.

01:00:27.540 It's like, but are they, though?

01:00:29.220 Like, when you actually speak to any of them, is this a friend or a neighbour?

01:00:33.940 If a war was to break out, would you fight for this country?

01:00:38.840 Absolutely no way.

01:00:40.160 This ain't my country.

01:00:41.080 I might be a British citizen.

01:00:42.380 But I'm here just to live and be at peace.

01:00:46.080 I'm not here to fight no one else else's battles.

01:00:48.220 You know what I mean?

01:00:48.780 So some people might...

01:00:50.160 Right, there we go.

01:00:51.100 I mean, you couldn't get it any more crystal clear.

01:00:53.760 This ain't my country.

01:00:55.520 It's like, yeah, I agree.

01:00:56.920 I agree that this is not your country.

01:00:58.440 Why are you here against my will?

01:01:01.500 Like, they will just come out and say to you that they don't really consider themselves to be of this place.

01:01:08.000 It's like, OK, fine.

01:01:09.040 I mean, this isn't someone who's going to get deported by Nigel Farage anyway.

01:01:12.780 So it's not, you know, great example.

01:01:13.960 So this is where, I mean, this is where 30 years of this project has led us.

01:01:17.740 Yes.

01:01:18.240 They have deliberately set aside the nation state and any belief in the nation state.

01:01:22.540 You started this programme talking about how they wanted to attack farmers because they represent a line of continuity to our past.

01:01:31.020 They connect us with our past and they're setting it aside.

01:01:34.020 So you get young men like this who actually don't realise how bloody lucky they are to be British citizens, what a privilege it is, and actually the obligations which go with it, which are being prepared to stand up for this country.

01:01:47.580 And the lack of honour, the lack of honour implied in, OK, I'm getting great things from this place, but I just want to live here.

01:01:56.540 I don't want to fight for it.

01:01:57.420 I mean, this kid would have been born and raised here.

01:01:59.220 Yeah.

01:01:59.800 You can tell by his accent, he's born and raised there.

01:02:02.000 And his view is, this ain't my country.

01:02:04.240 It's like, OK, where do you think you're from?

01:02:06.220 Yeah.

01:02:06.760 You know, like Nigel, like he's not going to be under the indefinite need to remain.

01:02:09.840 I reckon he was born and raised there.

01:02:11.300 I don't know, obviously.

01:02:12.020 But this attitude, if this is pervasive in migrant or minority communities that have been here for decades now, well, then how can you expect anyone who's just got off the boat in the Boris wave to give a damn about the country?

01:02:27.040 This is ridiculous.

01:02:28.220 And Keir Stom's like, oh, we can't have this guy deported.

01:02:30.400 It's like, why?

01:02:32.340 Sorry, why?

01:02:33.540 You know, why not?

01:02:34.800 You know, they're not integral to the fabric of the country.

01:02:38.080 And yet that's his position.

01:02:39.920 He's like, no, he thinks this is fundamentally a racist policy, which I think is a fantastic angle of attack that hasn't been used before.

01:02:49.620 And I think this is.

01:02:54.540 I know we've never heard that accusation bandied about before.

01:02:58.420 It's very novel.

01:02:59.120 And I think it's really going to turn Labour around in the polls.

01:03:03.020 It's one thing to say we're going to remove illegal migrants, people who have no right to be here. 1.00

01:03:08.600 I'm up for that.

01:03:09.240 It is a completely different thing to say we are going to reach in to people who are lawfully here and start removing them.

01:03:17.240 They are our neighbours.

01:03:18.540 They're people who work in our economy.

01:03:20.720 They are part of who we are.

01:03:22.240 It will rip this country apart.

01:03:24.260 And if you're patriotic, you want to serve the whole of your country.

01:03:28.880 Could you pause for a second?

01:03:30.520 Yes.

01:03:30.800 There's so much here, isn't there?

01:03:33.580 The transition from their part of our economy and the complete lack of mention of loyalty, belonging, identity.

01:03:46.080 So this is the materialist mind at work.

01:03:49.460 This is why you and I have that other disagreement.

01:03:52.300 This is the materialist mind at work.

01:03:54.040 It is incapable of viewing things that can't be quantified, measured, put a price on.

01:04:01.720 Because he's a materialist, he can't process things like loyalty, beliefs, identity.

01:04:09.140 Our form of government has been entirely materialist for at least the 30-year period.

01:04:14.200 You know, they all talk about the economy.

01:04:16.100 And of course, the economy is critically important for our prosperity.

01:04:18.960 But actually, the economy needs to serve the constitution, the culture and the people of the country.

01:04:23.460 Right.

01:04:23.620 And it needs to alter its behavior from time to time, depending on the circumstances of the country.

01:04:29.800 Yes.

01:04:30.040 And they don't get that.

01:04:31.400 No.

01:04:32.220 Because they don't, they, there is no conception of man having value as man and a nation having value as a nation.

01:04:42.740 Yeah.

01:04:43.200 There is only a conception of GDP, which even then they get completely wrong with their tax policies and with their climate policies and all that.

01:04:50.920 GDP per capita should be a metric they understand, but they can't even get their heads around that.

01:04:56.440 Then all discussion of per capita is prohibited.

01:04:59.000 But actually, he's actually kind of transcending that with what he's saying here.

01:05:05.600 Right.

01:05:06.080 So notice how he's identifying a moment in time, the now, and saying, look, if you love the country as it is now, then what you have to do is accept all of these millions of foreigners that have been brought in against our will and without any kind of appeal. 1.00

01:05:20.920 To the electorate whatsoever.

01:05:22.440 Yes.

01:05:22.600 Well, they are a core integral part of the country.

01:05:25.800 He literally just said they are just as important and, as you say, more important than the actual native people of the country.

01:05:32.800 And so you can't just remove lawful people because they are, again, appeal to the system of law.

01:05:38.660 They are as constituent to modern Britain.

01:05:41.640 As everyone else.

01:05:42.220 As everyone else.

01:05:42.780 They've set aside citizenry.

01:05:44.780 Yes.

01:05:44.940 That's what they've done.

01:05:45.940 And the root cause, I'm afraid, goes back to Tony Blair with the Human Rights Act, which basically put everyone on level pegging.

01:05:52.860 And then the Equality Act put those with protected characteristics on a pedestal above everyone else.

01:05:58.400 But what is Keir saying here?

01:05:59.680 Keir is saying, literally, if you get off a boat and we hand you a passport, you are just as important to this country as any other person who is in this country.

01:06:08.860 Like, the guy who was the descendant of Cheddar Man, who was found within a mile and a half of Cheddar Gorge, where Cheddar Man was discovered.

01:06:15.120 It was in this thousand-year-old body.

01:06:16.840 Like, his connection to Britain is materially and substantively and morally identical to, you know, this guy's, whose, you know, his parents probably arrived here.

01:06:27.260 Or Axel Rudiger Barnas.

01:06:28.580 Axel Rudiger Barnas.

01:06:29.000 Who is a Welshman, we're told, by the Prime Minister.

01:06:31.100 And he thinks it's completely immoral because foreigners are a constitutive part of Britain.

01:06:37.080 He can't imagine or justify a Britain that isn't predicated on foreign people here as well.

01:06:43.580 And so, okay, well, that's what Keir Starmer thinks that the UK actually is.

01:06:48.820 And so he's like, well, I think it's a racist policy.

01:06:50.820 Well, watch the rest of this, because he's very, very het up about this.

01:06:53.700 Your country and have an ability to bring that country together and walk forward towards the challenges.

01:06:59.020 You cannot do that if you are divisive, if you only truly want to serve a section of our country.

01:07:06.760 And that's why the fight with reform is different.

01:07:09.480 Most elections have always been Labour or Conservative.

01:07:14.380 This is a different election that we're facing.

01:07:16.820 We have not had a proposition like reform in this country ever before.

01:07:20.840 We've seen it in France and Germany and plenty of other countries.

01:07:24.080 This is a different fight.

01:07:25.340 It is a fight about who we are as a country.

01:07:27.120 It goes to the soul of our future.

01:07:30.220 It will be heard and the effects will be there for generations.

01:07:34.180 And that's why I'm saying to my party, you know, it's all very well navel-gazing, but we've got a big argument to make here.

01:07:41.980 We've got a big fight that we've got to be in, and we've got to win that fight.

01:07:45.080 You said that.

01:07:46.080 So that's absolutely correct.

01:07:48.280 Because what he's identifying is, and this comes down to the rally, is the natives of the country who have been abused via mass immigration.

01:07:57.160 They've had millions and millions of foreigners brought her against their will. 0.98

01:08:00.500 And they've finally said, no, we've had enough.

01:08:02.140 We would like a lot of these people to go home because they have homes to go to.

01:08:06.280 And Keir Starmer was like, wait, that's it.

01:08:07.700 That's the end.

01:08:08.560 You know, the end of multiculturalism is here. 0.73

01:08:10.360 The end of the Blairite project is here.

01:08:12.520 And he is fully committed to the foreigners over the British people.

01:08:16.860 He's completely committed to them.

01:08:18.940 And this is why he's like, yep, ending indefinitely to remain is a racist policy.

01:08:23.680 And we need to call it out for what it is.

01:08:25.240 Because, again, this is going to be so successful.

01:08:27.660 But just, again, like, you've just got so many examples of just why people want these people sent home.

01:08:34.700 Sorry, this is a Pakistani migrant, and she's just going to throw her rubbish in the river? 1.00

01:08:39.380 Like, I'm sorry.

01:08:40.920 I view that akin to, like, when they're going, oh, my God, they vandalized a mosque.

01:08:44.920 Yeah, well, this to me.

01:08:46.360 That is illegal what she's just done. 0.98

01:08:47.740 Sure, sure.

01:08:48.320 But it's also spiritually damaging to me.

01:08:51.940 What are you doing, woman? 1.00

01:08:53.620 Disgusting.

01:08:54.140 Yeah, it's disgusting, right?

01:08:55.600 It's completely unacceptable.

01:08:57.300 And it's a person who doesn't care about this country.

01:08:59.140 He doesn't want to be here.

01:09:00.440 And he's just here because we're going to be paying her to be here.

01:09:02.800 It's not that she doesn't care about this country.

01:09:04.820 It's that she would do the same in her own.

01:09:06.760 And she thinks that you're naive for not doing the same.

01:09:11.780 Yes.

01:09:12.140 You're naive for paying your council tax and having your rubbish collected by the council and things of that nature.

01:09:19.400 You're naive for carrying your rubbish around and then placing it in the proper bid.

01:09:25.500 What ultimately will happen, as that ex-post indicated, was that we will end up being like the third world.

01:09:32.700 Precisely.

01:09:33.060 You import the third world. 1.00

01:09:34.140 You become a third world. 0.95

01:09:35.400 Precisely, yes.

01:09:36.040 It's just straight.

01:09:37.900 I mean, I can't even imagine how much I'd flip out if I saw my kids throwing their rubbish into the river.

01:09:43.300 I'm just going to bring up another example that I've known.

01:09:45.560 I don't know if you gents have noticed it, but the .gov.uk website used to be written quite well.

01:09:53.260 You might have disagreed with all the draft bills that were on it.

01:09:56.000 Sure.

01:09:56.220 But now the grammar is terrible.

01:09:59.500 The punctuation is terrible.

01:10:01.400 And, you know, we can laugh.

01:10:03.040 But it is the decay of standards.

01:10:04.680 It's the decay of standards.

01:10:06.300 And we're seeing it visibly now taking place in our country.

01:10:09.620 Quite.

01:10:10.480 Yes, very much so.

01:10:11.620 There was, was it the conservatives keep posting things written in American English on their Twitter feed?

01:10:18.540 Yeah.

01:10:18.660 I don't know whether you've noticed that.

01:10:19.740 I haven't.

01:10:19.980 They're getting American advisors to help them.

01:10:21.620 And not just that.

01:10:22.280 It's because the Zoomers are just online and they just vibe American culture. 1.00

01:10:25.620 Right.

01:10:26.200 So, but you'd think the conservatives would be very particular about British spelling.

01:10:31.600 It's about standards.

01:10:32.480 It's about standards.

01:10:33.260 And you are right.

01:10:33.900 These are just falling everywhere.

01:10:35.200 Anyway, so Rachel Reeves went on LBC to explain because Keir Starmer argued that, well, the policy is racist.

01:10:43.080 And so are the people who vote for the policy racist?

01:10:45.820 Now, that's not wise.

01:10:47.760 Was it this one?

01:10:48.640 I can't remember.

01:10:49.180 I did have a link to it.

01:10:50.660 But, but the, the, the tactic of saying, look, you people who are voting overwhelmingly for Farage and not for us are a bunch of racists.

01:10:58.960 It didn't work for Hillary. 1.00

01:11:01.160 It didn't bring them back to your position.

01:11:04.080 And so now they're in the unfortunate and awkward position of having to defend calling Nigel Farage's policy racist, but not the people who like Farage's policy.

01:11:12.560 How can you support a racist policy and not be racist?

01:11:16.340 I think it is a racist policy.

01:11:17.720 And let me tell you why.

01:11:18.660 You know, I understand that.

01:11:19.880 But how can I, it doesn't matter whether I do, but how could one support a racist policy and not be racist?

01:11:25.220 People support the Reform Party for all sorts of reasons.

01:11:28.520 No, no, no, this policy, Chancellor, this particular, these policies as regards deportations, if you support a racist, I cannot say if you support a racist policy, how you're not racist yourself, no?

01:11:38.700 Because people support the Reform Party for all sorts of different reasons, often not even knowing the detail of this, the policies.

01:11:46.180 But this policy is a racist policy.

01:11:47.800 And you'll have lots of listeners who might be at work today sitting next to somebody who wasn't born in this country.

01:11:55.220 Their next-door neighbour might not have been born in this country.

01:11:57.520 They might be married to somebody who wasn't born in this country.

01:12:00.820 And what Nigel Farage and the Reform Party are saying is that they would deport those people.

01:12:06.220 Yes.

01:12:06.800 So, what I love, I love this so much, right?

01:12:09.300 Because one, she doesn't answer the question.

01:12:11.140 But two, they assume that people think that's a bad thing to hear.

01:12:16.900 By the way, Nigel Farage, you know those foreigners who moved in next door to you? 1.00

01:12:21.060 Nigel Farage is going to deport them.

01:12:22.960 Oh, brilliant.

01:12:24.480 Thank God.

01:12:25.220 Because they throw their rubbish in the fucking streets.

01:12:28.260 They make loads of noise at the evening.

01:12:30.300 They're not polite.

01:12:31.420 I'm worried about their intentions with my daughters.

01:12:33.740 Like, people might hear this and be like, oh, thank God.

01:12:36.100 You know?

01:12:37.760 Unfortunately, she's doing him more than a justice.

01:12:40.040 Right?

01:12:40.340 Yes.

01:12:40.980 That's the point as well.

01:12:42.120 I've always come to.

01:12:43.040 They have this caricature of Farage in their head, which is just not true.

01:12:46.420 It's just not true.

01:12:47.380 And it's a real shame.

01:12:49.200 Yes.

01:12:50.380 But so the point is, you can see the sort of exhaustion in their faces, Rachel Reade in particular.

01:12:54.480 Wait till they have to contend with Advance UK.

01:12:56.720 They're not going to like it.

01:12:57.700 All right.

01:12:58.080 And so Farage has kind of let them think this because Farage, of course, did not say that he was going to do this.

01:13:06.640 But, and also, Starmer actually didn't say that if you, in fact, they've specifically found themselves tied in knots over this.

01:13:14.180 Starmer didn't say you're a racist if you like the ending of Indefinite Leave to Remain.

01:13:18.380 He can't explain why you're not a racist, but he didn't say that.

01:13:21.540 But the implication is that, of course, if you support ending Indefinite Leave to Remain, you are a racist.

01:13:27.480 And they're just, again, trapped on the horns of a dilemma.

01:13:29.760 They can't escape.

01:13:31.480 But then you've got the sort of, you know, this guy writes for The Mirror.

01:13:35.020 I think he's the editor of The Mirror, isn't he?

01:13:36.580 Which is a left-wing regular, deputy political editor.

01:13:39.340 And this is the sort of opinion of the, very rarely will they actually just come out and say these things.

01:13:44.500 But for the last 20 or so years, British politicians have been too afraid of upsetting racists.

01:13:48.860 The fear is at the root of many of the country's problems.

01:13:51.420 So the country would be better if we just went harder down the woke international liberal route.

01:13:56.740 And would be worse if we actually let the racists get what they want. 1.00

01:14:01.380 These people not have friends.

01:14:03.580 Well, I mean, he's the deputy political editor of The Mirror.

01:14:07.960 So I'm going to guess no.

01:14:09.040 I mean, they've just swallowed the ideology hook, line and sinker.

01:14:13.740 And they can't distinguish between wanting borders and nation-states sovereignty, the promotion of our own interests versus the global interest.

01:14:22.460 They can't distinguish between those two.

01:14:25.140 Well, Kirstama literally doesn't. 0.99

01:14:26.480 Anyone who literally a foreigner steps off the boat is moved in next to you. 0.99

01:14:30.000 He is just as part of Britain as you are.

01:14:31.900 Every right, yeah.

01:14:33.440 So their ideology literally...

01:14:36.100 And Tim Montgomery.

01:14:36.720 I mean, is that the individual who Mikey Smith picked on?

01:14:40.900 Tim is as wet as a wet cloth.

01:14:43.640 You know, a soaking wet cloth that's been out in the rain overnight.

01:14:48.580 That is Tim Montgomery.

01:14:50.440 Yeah, absolutely correct.

01:14:53.180 You know, this is the thing.

01:14:53.900 They're not even going on the hard right of online discourse on this.

01:14:57.900 But the thing is, let's assume that it is a racist policy.

01:15:02.200 It's also just been announced by Shibana Mahmood that that's what they'll be doing.

01:15:07.040 If you want to apply for indefinite leave to remain, you're going to have to be employed and paying national insurance.

01:15:11.220 You're not going to be receiving benefits.

01:15:12.580 You've got to be able to speak English, have a clean coronal record.

01:15:14.740 And you've also got to do some volunteering work.

01:15:16.660 So they've gone further than Nigel Farage on this.

01:15:19.460 See, this one is quite insidious, the volunteering.

01:15:21.220 Right, isn't it?

01:15:21.820 Because any mosque can write you a letter saying that you're volunteering for some kind of thing.

01:15:26.040 And what a low bar.

01:15:27.640 Yeah.

01:15:28.100 What a low bar to remain in this country forever.

01:15:30.600 Yes, yes.

01:15:30.960 You're a criminal.

01:15:31.820 Yeah.

01:15:32.100 You've got to pick up on what Shibana Mahmood is doing here. 0.99

01:15:34.200 Yeah.

01:15:35.000 So any...

01:15:35.800 Empowering the network.

01:15:36.540 Exactly.

01:15:37.000 Yes.

01:15:37.320 Exactly.

01:15:38.660 Because you have to know how she thinks.

01:15:41.040 Yeah.

01:15:41.780 See, I had a lot of people asking me, why have you got a Middle Eastern guy on your show?

01:15:44.860 I'm like, because he knows how they think.

01:15:50.840 It's all good.

01:15:51.880 You're a double A.

01:15:52.520 You're hanging there, but it's all good.

01:15:54.240 No, no, no, no.

01:15:54.760 He's our guy.

01:15:55.900 Anyway, yeah.

01:15:56.480 But you are right.

01:15:57.640 That is absolutely empowering the networks.

01:15:59.500 Yeah.

01:15:59.820 Right?

01:16:00.380 And so it's...

01:16:01.500 She's thought about this.

01:16:02.980 Yeah, yeah.

01:16:03.280 She's doing something.

01:16:03.920 And of course, what she hasn't said, which a good lawyer would pick up on, is that in

01:16:08.320 order to continue to qualify for indefinite leave to remain, you must remain in employment

01:16:13.280 and you must not take benefits.

01:16:15.100 Right.

01:16:15.660 You know, she's just drawn a line in a point in time.

01:16:19.160 But the thing is, from getting indefinite leave to remain to getting citizenship, it's

01:16:23.660 just one year.

01:16:24.380 I know.

01:16:24.980 So even that would be a still low bar.

01:16:27.400 We need to scrap indefinite leave to remain and we need to suspend granting British citizenship. 1.00

01:16:33.620 It's got to stop.

01:16:35.020 Completely.

01:16:35.420 No, we don't need any more.

01:16:36.740 No.

01:16:36.900 And the thing is, the argument, oh, we need immigration.

01:16:38.620 Well, okay.

01:16:39.300 If we've had 25 years of immigration, we've got 15 million people up, are things better 1.00

01:16:43.820 or worse?

01:16:44.960 Is it...

01:16:45.600 The numbers are...

01:16:46.400 Productivity through the floor, wages through the floor, GDP per capita through the floor,

01:16:50.040 services...

01:16:50.960 Just go on the street.

01:16:51.340 Unemployment through the roof, dependency through the roof.

01:16:54.500 I mean, there is no metric to which they can point to say their economic policies are

01:16:59.020 working.

01:16:59.580 Exactly.

01:17:00.000 And the state of the country.

01:17:02.020 Like, get a train.

01:17:03.060 Drive a car.

01:17:04.060 Yeah.

01:17:04.260 Are the roads overcrowded?

01:17:05.560 Like, we just don't need more people.

01:17:07.200 That's not the argument.

01:17:08.700 But anyway, yeah.

01:17:09.660 So it's from Nigel Farage's mouth to Shibuna Mahmood's ears, apparently, which is actually

01:17:18.340 one of the things that watching the libs cope with this.

01:17:21.680 Dan Hodges is like, I've been working in politics a long time.

01:17:23.600 I've seen some bonkers stuff.

01:17:24.940 But having the Prime Minister blasting the opponent's policy as racist on Sunday, then

01:17:28.140 getting the Home Secretary to announce the same policy on Monday is about the maddest

01:17:31.760 thing I've seen at a party conference.

01:17:33.540 And I've got to...

01:17:34.820 There's a part of me that kind of feels bad for the kind of centrist lib types, because

01:17:38.440 they are watching the schizophrenic politics play out in front of their eyes.

01:17:42.500 Because all of these people would love to vote Labour.

01:17:44.320 They want to vote Labour.

01:17:45.580 But Labour are like, yeah, it's racist, racist.

01:17:47.400 But also, this is what we're doing.

01:17:48.380 And they're just like, oh my God, it's driving me mad.

01:17:50.300 They can't.

01:17:51.000 What are they supposed to take from this?

01:17:53.880 And then, just to finish this off, you've got people making the points, right?

01:17:59.680 No one asked us if we wanted migrants from the Third World to be our neighbours. 0.75

01:18:02.560 We did not vote for this.

01:18:03.580 These policies are not racist.

01:18:04.820 They are common sense.

01:18:05.980 And the white population of Britain is expected to be a minority by 2063 in our own ancestral

01:18:09.780 land.

01:18:10.380 We will not tolerate this.

01:18:11.560 And that's not an unreasonable thing for the average person in Britain to think.

01:18:15.300 Like, in any other country, in any other time, in any other place, it would be completely

01:18:18.780 reasonable not to want your country to be subsumed by people from other lands. 1.00

01:18:23.280 It's completely reasonable.

01:18:24.740 And that doesn't mean that we have to eject every single person with the slightest hint

01:18:30.100 of foreign ancestry or something like that.

01:18:32.400 It just means we need to get a grip on this and we don't need to take any more people in.

01:18:36.200 And any people who are here throwing rubbish in our rivers or taking advantage of the benefit

01:18:40.880 system or like, this ain't my country.

01:18:42.920 I'd never fight for it.

01:18:43.620 They can go home.

01:18:44.920 They can go to where they feel they belong.

01:18:46.360 It's really not very controversial, I think.

01:18:48.140 Mind me to tell you about the Kuwaiti kid throwing pebbles at the swans one day? 1.00

01:18:51.680 Oh, God.

01:18:52.320 Just don't.

01:18:53.220 Yeah.

01:18:53.420 If you eat a single swan deported.

01:18:55.720 Sorry, what were you saying?

01:18:57.220 No, I wasn't going to say anything.

01:18:58.180 I mean, I wholeheartedly agree with you.

01:18:59.760 I think they're hijacked to the point where there's no redemption through these people.

01:19:04.700 Actually, the point I was going to make is that we are facing the end of Western civilization.

01:19:11.100 Of course, what we're seeing in the United Kingdom is happening right across Europe.

01:19:13.720 Yes.

01:19:14.260 And unless we do reverse direction, this is the end of the UK.

01:19:18.080 This is the end of civilization as we knew it when we grew up.

01:19:21.900 But it will be the civilization that they want, right?

01:19:24.440 It will be...

01:19:25.300 If you can call it that.

01:19:26.280 Yeah, if you can call it that.

01:19:27.300 It will be the anarcho-tyranny that they're looking for.

01:19:30.180 They love the country as it is.

01:19:32.400 And this is the plan.

01:19:33.640 This is what they've been trying to bring into being.

01:19:36.540 And then when that's threatened, they close ranks and they say, no, we're going to fight

01:19:39.560 for it.

01:19:40.160 Yeah.

01:19:40.360 I know it's mad.

01:19:42.780 I'm almost feeling sorry for reform.

01:19:44.920 It's perfect for the oligarchs to have a massive underclass that can be used as a battering ram 1.00

01:19:51.560 against native people and providing a pool of cheap labor to boot. 0.99

01:19:57.940 It's sort of perfect for the oligarchic class. 0.89

01:20:00.960 And this is what these people should be seen as.

01:20:04.320 The media as the, you know...

01:20:06.080 They're the far right, actually.

01:20:08.380 The extreme policies that are being practiced by Starmer, they are far right.

01:20:13.140 They are the extremists.

01:20:14.360 On my side of the debate, we believe in democracy.

01:20:17.100 We believe in freedom of speech, equality under the law.

01:20:19.620 These are quaint, old-fashioned things which are just commonsensical and...

01:20:22.940 They're also culturally contingent and unique.

01:20:26.660 Yes.

01:20:27.260 And they are predicated on a thousand, two thousand years of tradition and of people being hammered

01:20:34.300 a concept of morality that prioritizes guilt, not shame.

01:20:40.040 That's the fundamental difference.

01:20:42.500 If you look at the big difference between the West and the rest on a moral foundation,

01:20:47.740 the difference is it's a guilt-based culture.

01:20:51.320 It's a conscience-based culture.

01:20:53.140 That's a direct result of what Christianity teaches, 0.98

01:20:56.360 that you are to blame for the crucifixion of Christ

01:20:59.000 and that you must atone for your own sins first.

01:21:02.520 That's what makes the West function.

01:21:05.140 It doesn't mean other people can't have technology.

01:21:07.040 It doesn't mean that they can't have military success.

01:21:09.040 It just means that they can't have this kind of high-trust, dutiful society.

01:21:14.660 It means that she doesn't feel guilty about what she does.

01:21:16.680 No, she thinks you're an idiot for not doing the same.

01:21:19.740 We're all trying to improve ourselves.

01:21:21.440 We're self-policing under that Christian heritage.

01:21:24.640 Yes, precisely.

01:21:25.660 I'm going to go through some comments.

01:21:26.780 There are a bunch of people who said,

01:21:27.820 oh, I joined Advance a few weeks ago.

01:21:29.540 I will happily stand as a candidate if you need me.

01:21:31.440 Thank you.

01:21:31.840 Please email in to info at advanceuk.org.uk.

01:21:35.940 There we go.

01:21:37.700 There are lots of people who are not happy with Keir Starmer.

01:21:40.840 For the sake of time, I'm going to have to summarise those as, yeah, join the club.

01:21:46.680 The Democrats in the U.S. were accused of importing illegals in order to boost their voting bloc.

01:21:52.040 What's the opinion of barring first gens from voting or holding office in the U.K. to combat corruption?

01:21:56.420 Yes.

01:21:56.680 Well, to be honest with you...

01:21:57.400 Third gens. 0.99

01:21:57.980 Yeah.

01:21:58.280 Third, I would argue.

01:21:59.540 To be honest with you, it doesn't matter how many generations.

01:22:02.340 If you don't have British ancestry, you shouldn't be allowed to vote in Britain.

01:22:06.400 Genuinely, I'm at this sort of ancient Athens...

01:22:08.720 Well, you know who is allowed to vote?

01:22:10.600 British citizens, Irish citizens, and members of the Commonwealth.

01:22:14.180 Mad, isn't it?

01:22:15.120 It is insane.

01:22:15.780 It's absolutely mad.

01:22:16.200 They've got their own country.

01:22:17.080 It's mad.

01:22:17.200 It's completely insane.

01:22:17.860 Completely insane.

01:22:18.880 Yeah.

01:22:19.080 Why are we allowed a single Irishman? 1.00

01:22:23.060 But seriously.

01:22:24.140 I'm not even joking.

01:22:25.060 Why are the Irish voting in our election?

01:22:27.720 They've got their own country.

01:22:28.920 The Commonwealth, they've got their own countries.

01:22:30.620 Sorry, what are we doing here, folks?

01:22:32.280 It's suicidal.

01:22:33.420 It's suicidal.

01:22:34.240 But the thing is, as well, the ancient Athenians had what they called metics, right?

01:22:38.100 Which is a class of foreign people who ran businesses and traded in Athens, right?

01:22:43.180 And these people were not politically enfranchised, obviously, because they were there to take advantage

01:22:48.160 of the prosperity that the Athenians had established.

01:22:50.600 And that's fine.

01:22:51.600 You come, you work, you pay taxes, you earn money.

01:22:53.840 That's fine.

01:22:54.300 That's not a problem.

01:22:55.300 Why should you be voting?

01:22:57.180 Why should you be in the political system?

01:22:58.320 Well, look at the UAE.

01:23:00.020 They have three million foreigners working in Dubai, but they absolutely rule that place 1.00

01:23:06.040 with an iron rod.

01:23:07.160 I don't want to be quite that far.

01:23:08.420 No, but those foreigners, they can be turfed out any second. 1.00

01:23:13.520 And Dubai's culture is paramount.

01:23:19.380 People keep moving there.

01:23:20.560 People keep moving there for a reason, right?

01:23:22.580 I mean, like, didn't Isabel Oakeshott run over there?

01:23:25.680 She did.

01:23:26.120 She saved 150,000 in VAT on school fees.

01:23:29.220 God, government so much.

01:23:31.560 Materialists can't distinguish between having property rights, which you would have as a

01:23:36.040 medic in Athens, or as a resident in Dubai, and having political rights.

01:23:40.940 Can I just say, these are two separate things.

01:23:43.380 This is a hot off the press disclosure, in the sense that I have been approached as leader

01:23:49.100 of Advanced UK by many British citizens now living in Dubai, living in Italy, some in

01:23:54.760 Portugal, saying, Ben, we need you to succeed.

01:23:58.100 How can we help you so we can come home?

01:24:00.400 Yes.

01:24:00.640 Wonderful.

01:24:00.880 Yeah, but these are people who love this country and have been forced abroad.

01:24:06.120 Dan's like, if they do, I can't remember what it was, unrealized capital gains or something.

01:24:09.920 He's like, look, I'm just going to have to leave the country.

01:24:12.080 That's all great.

01:24:12.520 Before they do it.

01:24:13.660 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:24:14.240 Before they do it.

01:24:15.160 And so, yeah, it is insane how this country is run.

01:24:20.780 And one day, we will have a government that prioritizes the British people.

01:24:25.100 It'll be the next government.

01:24:26.440 Well.

01:24:26.960 Without a shadow of a doubt.

01:24:28.300 The next government will be a pro-British government.

01:24:32.120 But it might be led by Nigel Farage.

01:24:34.580 It can't be if it's to be pro-British.

01:24:36.860 I know.

01:24:37.960 That's the first one.

01:24:39.120 Anyway, let's carry on some comments.

01:24:41.000 Um, uh, Cyberball says, I wish Farage was half the hard right-wing monster the Guardian readers of the world think he is.

01:24:48.100 And that's really the issue.

01:24:49.320 Like, the thing is, right, Farage is not that right-winger, but they know that logically there entails a kind of right-wing that is the opposite of what they're doing.

01:25:00.140 So they're like, no, we're going to take advantage of the British public for as much as they can.

01:25:03.840 We can squeeze as much out of them as we can.

01:25:05.760 And we're going to funnel it to our client groups, the foreigners who we bring over, or the minorities, or whoever.

01:25:09.320 And they realize that actually there could be a right-wing antithesis to this, which is, oh, we're going to put the British people first, and you're going back to the margins.

01:25:19.100 You know, the vast majority of this country are hard-working, patriotic, normal people who just get up, go to work, send their kids to school, pay their taxes, pay their mortgages, and do the right thing every day.

01:25:29.840 And if they had substantive representation, and they were like the majority of what you would see, if they were proportionally represented in the political system, on TV, wherever, you would hardly ever hear from the weird fringe or the foreigners or diversity or minorities, whatever it is.

01:25:44.480 You'd hardly hear from this.

01:25:45.780 And they're worried that actually that kind of government could come into place.

01:25:49.080 And Farage, they believe, embodies that.

01:25:51.440 But, of course, he doesn't.

01:25:52.460 He doesn't.

01:25:53.460 In any way, shape, or form.

01:25:54.320 Yeah.

01:25:54.700 The sad thing, without dwelling on it for too long, but the sad thing is if reform were to win the landslide that that map indicates.

01:26:02.380 Which I think they will.

01:26:03.720 If they were to win it, they would not deliver for the British people.

01:26:08.160 And there would be great disappointment, number one.

01:26:10.840 And number two, the detractors of reform would say, well, look, you had to go at that kind of set of policies.

01:26:20.080 And look, it's failed spectacularly.

01:26:21.860 We're going back to the liberal global order.

01:26:23.760 They will literally say, there's your populism, folks.

01:26:25.920 It didn't work.

01:26:26.680 Thanks, Nige. 1.00

01:26:27.540 Yeah.

01:26:28.240 But the risk of disorder at that point becomes quite severe.

01:26:32.700 Yeah.

01:26:32.940 I think we're, I mean, look at the march.

01:26:35.080 Yes.

01:26:35.340 Look at the rally.

01:26:35.880 Yes.

01:26:37.260 That would be a tipping point in terms of the ability of people to stomach another election, which sort of goes to people like Jair Starmer.

01:26:47.700 I don't think they would just sort of sit there and say, oh, you know, we'll just put up with this for another five years.

01:26:52.540 Because I think the risks at that point, people's positions would rise to an extent.

01:26:59.320 Yes.

01:26:59.660 The Tommy rally is essentially, you know, when you're boiling water and the steam escapes from the pot.

01:27:05.120 Yes.

01:27:05.700 That's what the Tommy rally is.

01:27:07.060 Yes.

01:27:07.160 But listen, there's something truly happening here.

01:27:09.320 Yes.

01:27:09.540 Pay attention.

01:27:10.260 Pay attention.

01:27:10.780 Pay attention.

01:27:11.140 And their response, as I mentioned in my speech yesterday at our launch, and I wanted to mention in the Unite the Kingdom speech when I spoke, was that the parliament's reaction, those that govern us, their reaction, is to actually put up a nine foot tall metal fence surrounding parliament.

01:27:25.640 Have you been there recently?

01:27:26.640 I have, yes.

01:27:27.540 You know, there used to be barricades.

01:27:29.280 There used to be nothing in the 1980s.

01:27:30.780 There used to be nothing there.

01:27:31.020 Yes.

01:28:01.020 You can protect those things that you actually care about.

01:28:03.900 Yeah, you've got your fence.

01:28:04.960 Exactly.

01:28:05.420 You've got the border around parliament, the seat of government.

01:28:07.700 You don't have a border around our island, which should be really easy to keep a border around, because they just don't value it.

01:28:14.520 You know, and that's, it's...

01:28:15.660 That's a fundamental point.

01:28:16.580 It's so, it's so self-evident.

01:28:19.080 From the website, Northblood says, I wouldn't be surprised if the UK has a general election before the end of the year.

01:28:23.660 I think the end of the year is probably a bit too soon, I don't think, because the thing is, what we're relying on, unfortunately, is an insurrection in the Labour Party now.

01:28:30.920 The Burkies would have to vote for Christmas, and that's rare. 0.89

01:28:33.600 Well, and that's the point.

01:28:36.500 The current crop of Labour MPs could mount a challenge to Keir Starmer, but every single one of them will lose their job.

01:28:43.860 Yes.

01:28:44.160 Now, I think that sounds great, but it'll be worse than the Conservatives losing at the previous general election.

01:28:50.200 But isn't it interesting?

01:28:51.300 Sorry, it's as far as you interrupt.

01:28:51.860 No, no, please, go ahead.

01:28:52.680 But it's so interesting to me that it took Boris Johnson two or three years to become seriously unpopular, practising the policies of the past when he had promised to change direction.

01:29:02.640 This guy has lost his mandate to the extent he had any completely within a year, completely.

01:29:09.640 A 175-seat majority should have given him three parliaments.

01:29:14.320 He's not going to survive one.

01:29:16.220 Yes.

01:29:16.900 Yeah, and he might, like, everyone's talking about the May local elections, in which Labour are probably going to get dropped, absolutely dropped, and with good reason.

01:29:25.780 And so the Labour Party, I mean, the poll of the day are sort of 17%, and then the Tories are on 15%.

01:29:31.340 It's like, OK, Nigel, why aren't you at 50%?

01:29:33.400 But ignore that.

01:29:35.380 I mean, they're backers.

01:29:37.020 The people in the party, the people donating the money, are like, why would I give money to this party that's dying?

01:29:42.960 It's a dying consensus.

01:29:44.820 And so, I mean, the same with Kemi Badenock.

01:29:46.560 Why is she still here? 0.70

01:29:48.100 15% of the polls, why are you here?

01:29:50.060 Yes.

01:29:50.360 Like, what are you doing?

01:29:53.100 Again, the Tory party is refusing to wake up to the issue.

01:29:56.460 I know, it's amazing.

01:29:57.080 And they keep regurgitating the same people.

01:29:59.460 Yes.

01:29:59.940 And that's partly, without wishing to, you know, Labour on about reform.

01:30:03.360 It's partly the problem with reform, is because they've taken in so many failed Tory MPs.

01:30:08.380 Yes.

01:30:08.800 You know, and Danny Cruz.

01:30:10.820 What?

01:30:11.160 Nadine Dory is the author of the... 1.00

01:30:13.140 Well, I mean, you couldn't make that up.

01:30:15.780 Two days before he revealed Nadine Dory's coming on board, he was on Capitol Hill, Farage was,

01:30:21.640 denouncing the Online Safety Act.

01:30:23.660 Two days later, he employs the architect of the Online Safety Act.

01:30:28.380 The other day, he was like, yeah, the Boris wave is bad, so I'm going to bring in Boris's

01:30:31.980 biggest cheerleader, whose first words out of her mouth is, you guys should bring in 1.00

01:30:36.600 Boris.

01:30:36.980 Bring Boris back.

01:30:37.860 What are we doing, Nigel?

01:30:39.660 It's embarrassing, completely.

01:30:41.760 It's crazy.

01:30:42.500 And so unnecessary.

01:30:44.500 And it shows the lack of respect for talent within reform.

01:30:49.860 As in, why not promote some people from within?

01:30:52.720 But that's why...

01:30:53.600 Help polish them up, rather than regurgitating has-been-torn.

01:30:57.080 That's why it's critical, gents like you support Advance UK. 1.00

01:31:00.760 I'm making my pitch.

01:31:01.360 That's why you're here, man.

01:31:02.740 You've got to do it, because without a force like us, this country is not going to reach

01:31:07.560 redemption.

01:31:08.560 And we need all the support we can get, Carl.

01:31:11.660 I know.

01:31:13.000 There's a reason that you're here.

01:31:14.180 There's a reason, you know, that we're having you on.

01:31:17.140 Like, it is insane, though, isn't it?

01:31:19.020 Like, Nigel Farage is like, okay, I'm going to win.

01:31:21.180 I'm going to get, like, you know, 370 seats or something.

01:31:23.620 It's like, Nigel, you don't have 370 friends.

01:31:25.640 You know, like, you have 370 mortal enemies because of your time in politics, but you

01:31:33.260 don't have the people to fill those positions, do you?

01:31:36.740 No.

01:31:37.060 Like, who's his cabinet?

01:31:38.700 He hasn't learned anything from Trump's first term and the problem associated with the need

01:31:44.420 to fill literally thousands of positions and the need to sort of have a map of which bits

01:31:50.580 of the civil service and the angiocracy are you going to just arch out on the one.

01:31:56.980 Or everything you've said presupposes that he wishes to govern with that agenda.

01:32:01.500 Yes, quite.

01:32:02.040 And that, I think, is the fallacy.

01:32:03.720 Yes.

01:32:03.940 The persona of Farage is not the reality.

01:32:06.620 He just wants to have the office.

01:32:08.780 And that, and we're going to learn to our vast cost if we vote for him.

01:32:11.640 Can I just say one more thing on that map that you showed?

01:32:14.260 That thumping reform victory is actually made on a percentage of the vote that is much lower

01:32:20.100 than would normally deliver that.

01:32:22.260 And it's because it's such a split field elsewhere.

01:32:24.400 And that's another reason why people should be encouraged by Advance UK.

01:32:29.160 We don't need a very large vote share to make a very significant impact now.

01:32:34.360 This is not a two-party system we're trying to break.

01:32:37.000 We're trying to get in, in a multi-party system.

01:32:40.700 We can do it.

01:32:42.620 And what I, I mean, you know, Farage, for all of his faults, he is the end of the two-party

01:32:48.240 system.

01:32:49.060 Yes.

01:32:49.280 And so if he does nothing of any use, at least...

01:32:52.180 He's opened the gates.

01:32:52.980 He's opened the gates.

01:32:53.740 And so now it's all to play for.

01:32:56.000 It's all to play for.

01:32:56.900 And I think that the DUP were able to hold Theresa May's feet to the fire over everything

01:33:02.180 to do with Brexit and Northern Ireland agreement because they had such a tiny number of MPs.

01:33:07.880 A pivotal number of MPs, yeah.

01:33:09.660 Who were necessary for that.

01:33:11.440 All of Israeli politics relies on a small number of MPs holding the Prime Minister's feet to

01:33:17.280 the fire.

01:33:18.280 So having, you know, a few seats here and there other than reform, but who are critical for

01:33:23.620 coalition building, if these seats are in the hands of wet Tories, that's one disastrous

01:33:29.460 outcome.

01:33:30.340 If these seats are in the hands of Ben Habib Rupert Lowe, that's a very different outcome.

01:33:34.820 Yeah.

01:33:36.260 We are over time, but I'm enjoying the discussion, so we'll go a little bit longer.

01:33:40.200 That's great.

01:33:41.880 You don't have...

01:33:42.340 Do you have something to do this afternoon?

01:33:43.760 Yes, I have a...

01:33:45.520 You've got a life?

01:33:47.760 No, no, no, no, it's not that.

01:33:49.040 He's got a job.

01:33:49.600 I have a real politic episode in half an hour at three, discussing whether or not Trump

01:34:01.220 will be striking Iran. 0.99

01:34:02.560 So we can't actually go for much longer.

01:34:06.040 But sorry for...

01:34:07.400 Everyone's sent in loads of comments, loads of super chats and loads of comments on the

01:34:09.920 website.

01:34:10.260 I'm really sorry we didn't get to them today.

01:34:11.920 It's just, you know, we don't often have Ben in, obviously.

01:34:14.100 And we'll just let things go organically.

01:34:16.720 But thank you for joining us, folks.

01:34:18.760 Go to the website, sign up, £5 a month, go watch Faraz's Real Politique show, where

01:34:23.180 he's going to be talking about, what was it, Iran?

01:34:24.920 Iran-Trump.

01:34:25.900 Right, because that's back on the table, unfortunately.

01:34:28.660 And Ben, where can people go if they'd like to support you?

01:34:31.060 Well, thank you.

01:34:31.440 That's very kind of you to give me the opportunity to say that.

01:34:34.460 Please join up.

01:34:35.960 We've got to win.

01:34:37.320 We've got to aim to win.

01:34:38.920 And I think we can win the next general election, as implausible as it might sound.

01:34:43.360 So please sign up for Advance UK today.

01:34:46.140 Go to advanceuk.org.uk, www.advanceuk.org.uk, and join as a member.

01:34:52.980 It's £10 per annum for the next day.

01:34:56.560 On the 1st of October, it goes up £20 per annum.

01:34:59.020 So get in while it's cheap.

01:35:02.020 Before we go, I just want to put a point on that.

01:35:05.820 Reform were only founded in, what, 2021?

01:35:08.820 So reform came out of the Brexit Party.

01:35:11.200 Yeah, but actually as a proper political endeavour.

01:35:13.340 Yeah, I mean...

01:35:14.140 It's only been four years.

01:35:15.080 We're absolutely right.

01:35:16.460 The notion that we can't do it is a fundamentally flawed one.

01:35:20.220 Yeah, I don't agree with that at all.

01:35:21.600 I mean, Farage has actually shown us, yeah, within like three or four years, you can become

01:35:24.480 the dominant national party.

01:35:26.000 Can I just say, we do accredit Farage for reform success.

01:35:30.140 But Richard Tice and I took the party from 6% in March 23 to 16% before the general election.

01:35:36.440 That's when Farage jumped on board.

01:35:38.000 That's when he got FOMO.

01:35:38.760 When the Clacton poll came out and he was like, oh, wait, Clacton's going to be a reform seat.

01:35:43.160 I'm going to jump in on that.

01:35:44.180 I can't remember the name of the guy who he threw over the board.

01:35:46.800 Tony Mack.

01:35:47.460 Right, yeah.

01:35:47.900 And obviously he didn't give him what he was promised for exchanging his seat.

01:35:50.780 But the point is, it was on the way up anyway.

01:35:52.980 And that was, what, only a few years ago.

01:35:55.120 So to say, well.

01:35:55.960 We did it in a year.

01:35:56.620 We put it on a map in a year.

01:35:57.860 Exactly.

01:35:58.400 So to say, you know, everyone's like, well, four years.

01:36:01.600 Well, that's actually a long time in British politics at this point.

01:36:03.800 Yes, a very long time.

01:36:05.340 And a lot changes.

01:36:06.600 I mean, like, who knows what happens with Farage and reform tomorrow.

01:36:09.780 But anyway, thank you for joining us.

01:36:11.360 Do go support Ben.

01:36:13.300 And we will see you in half an hour with Farage's show.

01:36:15.880 Take care, guys.

The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - September 29, 2025

The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1262

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