The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1263

00:00:00.000 hello and welcome to podcast of the lotus eaters episode 1263 on 30th of september 2025 i'm joined

00:00:09.620 by beau and special guest josh hello i'm not that special really anymore well semi-special

00:00:15.780 they're no loose yeah in terms of needs maybe right uh yes um so today we're going to be talking

00:00:22.280 about um uh what are we going to be talking oh digital id you know that that's got to stop so

00:00:27.460 we're gonna we're gonna explain how to stop that um shutdown of the u.s government sounds like a

00:00:33.820 good idea to me forever forever yes just just stop it stop it um they should repeal this silly

00:00:41.620 independence thing they've had going on for a little while it's an experiment it failed yes

00:00:45.940 gave it the best shot gotta say time to end it and um apparently it's not as bad as we think

00:00:53.440 yeah i'm trying to cheer people up a little bit because the last few segments i've done i've been

00:00:59.680 making people very depressed about the state of the world and i don't like doing that so i'm going to

00:01:04.100 try and correct it and try and be a little bit optimistic right so how do you stop digital ids

00:01:09.720 well before we get to that can we just remember the importance of having something physical that

00:01:13.700 you can hold in your hand that actually matters uh nothing digital about this it's the islander and

00:01:18.240 and we're running on fumes in the store there's like a hundred left or something so it's almost

00:01:21.860 certainly going to sell out today so um you know go to the lotus eater shop buy an islander

00:01:27.440 and uh when the civil war starts you won't be able to be a chapter master of one of the lotus

00:01:31.880 eater's brigades if you don't have this as your as your sigil to um operate around um digital ids

00:01:38.380 i don't think they're a good idea not a fan of them they seem superfluous they're not necessary are

00:01:46.540 they just simply not necessary we've got plenty of documents already that are already

00:01:50.920 somewhat centralized by the state you know you've got a passport a driver's license um you've got

00:01:58.660 your national insurance number um birth certificates you know you've got all of these official documents

00:02:04.720 you've your sport for choice you've got one for every different scenario and they're already

00:02:09.400 associated with all of the different things like um i've had to show my birth certificate before to

00:02:14.580 prove that i am a uk citizen to get a job yes this is you know these are sort of standard practices

00:02:20.980 and because you weren't being employed cash in hand by a kebab shop exactly yes zoomly no i've never

00:02:26.880 worked in a kebab they're disgusting yes quite i i think it's more about as i sort of allude to

00:02:32.460 here it's it's the ability to cancel people is really what they're is really what they're going

00:02:37.200 for tie everything to this now um if you go to my the twitter uh this is my account i've pinned

00:02:43.960 to my account um the because when when it first came out the the news over the over on the friday

00:02:51.260 i think it was i quickly banged out a video 20 reasons why they're awful and must be stopped

00:02:56.000 now i've given it a bit more thought and in retrospect i've decided that i absolutely nailed

00:02:59.820 it first time round but it was a short video it was only about six minutes long um so i'm going to

00:03:05.380 give you the slightly longer version of that but if you've got a low attention span you can just go

00:03:08.460 and watch that instead um but um no what i'm going to do is is why uh why these things absolutely need

00:03:15.380 to be stopped so uh reason number one and also this will give you the series of arguments you need if

00:03:21.840 you have if you're arguing normies or you know parents or uncles or co-workers or something you give

00:03:26.940 you the normie reasons as to why it's not so bad we're gonna we're gonna dismantle all of that

00:03:30.720 so um number one uh function creep so apparently it's being introduced for immigration which is

00:03:38.980 obviously bullshit obviously um but it will inevitably expand into health care and banking

00:03:45.040 and voting and internet use and travel it will become over time a chinese style social credit system

00:03:50.860 now i'm not reaching here i know this because i've read um the un sustainable development agenda

00:03:59.920 the what is commonly referred to as the 2030 plan now it's entirely clear in this document

00:04:07.300 but this is part of a broader agenda they want every country signed up to digital ids

00:04:12.480 and the reason they want them signed up for digital ids is because it then gives you an ability

00:04:17.080 to launch a central bank digital currency where every single transaction can be tracked and stopped

00:04:23.300 if they wish to so let me give you some some quotes from uh from this document which you can you

00:04:29.480 can read the whole bloody thing if you want to but i'll give you the the relevant quotes here

00:04:33.200 um u.s sustainable development goals agenda 2030 pushes universal identity and it's under

00:04:40.120 sdc uh 69 if you want to look it up provide legal identity to legal identity for all as a prerequisite

00:04:48.800 for accessing services finance and mobility

00:04:52.600 so in order for you to be able to move around buy stuff and have access to any services the

00:04:59.980 prerequisite is going to be the digital id so it is a complete and total blanket control system

00:05:05.220 um the idea that money makes the world go around you can't really function without money

00:05:10.580 yes and they want to be able to see and stop anything that comes in and out of everyone's bank account

00:05:17.160 yes and and they explicitly say that i mean i'll give you another reference from here uh digital

00:05:24.160 public infrastructure um is tying together digital id cbdcs and data sharing systems into one

00:05:30.740 interoperable global stack so i mean it's all it is clearly laid out this is a plan it's all part of a

00:05:37.740 um it's all part of a process and when i come to the i um how was it the bis in a minute

00:05:42.160 okay uh for some of their quotes as well but i mean it's absolutely what you said

00:05:45.560 and so this is going to set up very nicely for the age of governance with ai as well because

00:05:50.680 obviously there's going to be a massive amount of data here and you would need a monumental office

00:05:56.580 to be able to look at it all if you were to effectively monitor it or an ai or an ai and so

00:06:02.280 it seems inevitable that that's the way things are going to go but of course ai is not perfect and

00:06:08.000 it's certainly not benevolent for humanity and so on the one hand it could be a greater tyranny than

00:06:13.760 human beings possibly can be and and secondarily it could also um make mistakes and it could be

00:06:22.700 that certain things might mistakenly be punished for no reason well there was there was a famine in

00:06:28.100 india because of that they introduced digital id i mean that's one of the things on the list but

00:06:31.500 yeah mistakes were made oops loads of people starved slightly unfortunate um number two government

00:06:37.360 overreach so it shifts the balance further to the citizens so instead of the state having to prove to

00:06:43.740 us their validity we constantly have to prove our validity to the state uh number three government

00:06:50.120 overreach shifts the uh you know oh and actually no i that was actually number two forgive me they

00:06:55.900 already did this out don't worry uh no the the actual uh number three uh loss of anonymity everyday

00:07:01.720 life becomes uh logged uh tracked so um and this has already happened with the covid pass if you

00:07:07.900 remember so it's already been the case that and it didn't last very long but it is a precedent it is

00:07:14.380 set you couldn't go into a nightclub in this country without the covid pass you had to have

00:07:20.240 the nhs test and trace app on your phone so if you didn't have a phone i think you could potentially

00:07:25.480 have a paper copy but it's not quite the same i don't think anyone actually did though no yeah i

00:07:30.160 remember trying to trying to go into a pub during covid and they wanted to see my nhs pass and it's like

00:07:33.760 no fuck off i'll just go somewhere else then in the end i you know at first i installed it out of

00:07:38.680 practicality and then i was like out of principle i'm uninstalling this and never using it again and

00:07:42.700 if someone demands it so be it i'm not going to go in there yeah so it's hardly a reach to say that

00:07:47.500 it will become this when we've already had this in this country even if it didn't last for very long

00:07:52.480 so in the end it paints you into a corner where the only way to not get this thing is to completely

00:08:00.820 live off grid in a hut in the wilderness and forage for your own food and you can't even do that

00:08:05.460 because uh you're not allowed to i looked into it and the government basically blocks it at every turn

00:08:10.660 even if you own your own land um you're not allowed to live in that way really yeah so you'd have to go to

00:08:17.180 somewhere like america or canada where there's big enough wildernesses where you can just do it

00:08:22.120 and no one will ever find you if you're like in the yukon in canada i don't think anyone's going to

00:08:27.340 stop you but in most of the western world there's no option to do that really yeah you can be off the

00:08:34.100 grid but you're still you know subject to the whims of government and so if they demand something

00:08:38.940 off you if they say okay you've got a property we're going to raise property tax to an absurd amount

00:08:43.680 then you're going to have to get an income and and get into the economy again england's just not

00:08:48.160 big enough to do it like you go to the middle of exmoor they'll find you very quickly oh yeah you

00:08:53.040 go to like the the new forest or something yeah you're still within your dog walkers will come

00:08:56.920 across you within one day went there recently and people are everywhere right they are indeed yes

00:09:04.220 um number four it won't stop legal migration obviously i mean obviously we did a segment i think

00:09:11.320 it was you on it um we did a segment just the other day on what would actually stop illegal

00:09:15.780 migration it's basically using the using the navy it's setting up an offshore territory something

00:09:20.800 like saint helena's leaving the echr that is the only way that you're going to stop illegal migration

00:09:25.780 this is going to have no bearing on it whatsoever i mean what how how on earth does it stop a boat

00:09:31.100 turning up and people getting off how on earth does it take stop somebody arriving legally and just

00:09:35.520 overstaying their visa or climbing onto the back of a lorry it also presumes that an illegal employer

00:09:40.780 is going to go to the government and say well i've hired these people oh whoops i've they've

00:09:45.200 not got any digital id oh i've accidentally dropped them in yes like no one's that stupid yes

00:09:50.700 i was just going to say yeah that they're going to do everything cash in hand uh because it benefits

00:09:57.080 one guy um who who has come in legally who will set up his digital id and then he'll share his

00:10:03.100 delivery account like you were telling me earlier there's one guy on delivery who's got like 200

00:10:07.340 people being him on the app so you just have that all over the place you just need one dodgy

00:10:12.540 employer that's prepared to accept cash in hand with no digital id and that's it they just continue

00:10:17.880 on as they always were so yes it's a nonsense isn't it number five it makes us ever more dependent

00:10:24.940 on our phone now bear in mind we live in a country where hundreds of thousands of phones are snatched

00:10:29.780 every year in london alone and soon it's going to be very difficult in fact it's just going to be

00:10:34.980 functionally impossible to operate without a phone and also effectively you become illegal the

00:10:39.460 moment your phone's been stolen and this also hooks you into the economy as well because phones are

00:10:44.100 designed to basically break after a set number of years and of course all of the companies uh try and

00:10:49.560 rope you into a contract which then hooks you back into the economy and gives you a stake in uh the

00:10:55.820 society that you you live in yes by force basically your digital ball and chain this sounds like a small

00:11:01.420 point but i really think it isn't that some older people usually uh just simply aren't sort of

00:11:08.320 smartphone savvy 1.7 million people in this country most of them old people don't have phones all right

00:11:13.780 well i know be bliss i know plenty of people that are in their 50s or 60s range who are not interested

00:11:19.740 in getting a smartphone they may or may not have any type of mobile phone i know that would be

00:11:25.480 considerably higher than 1.7 the people who use the old nokias and right yeah yeah yeah i know three

00:11:30.120 people that are sort of in their 50s that have just got a really really old sort of nokia style

00:11:34.780 non-smartphone and yeah they're not like 80 years old they're in their 50s they just they're not

00:11:40.800 interested they grew up before that time there's a thing yeah and they're not interested in in it so

00:11:46.360 that will be millions of people they're going to be illegal soon um yeah six i mean this is the point

00:11:51.980 that you brought up actually um enforcement sham employers will just hire illegals off the books

00:11:55.860 pay them cash as they do now so yep it's an obvious loophole isn't it very odd yes

00:12:00.860 in fact there's an incentive to do that more anyway yeah right it saves the employer and the employee

00:12:07.680 money by not going through the system i'll have a word with carl about that that's a good idea

00:12:12.960 um seven single point of failure hack this one database and you get everything at once

00:12:19.840 or just um be somebody who works at the office of digital ids and accidentally attach the database

00:12:28.020 to an email that you're sending to some jihadists or something you know as they regularly do with the

00:12:33.560 afghan thing not so while ago yeah if all of your personal data is at the behest of the competency of the

00:12:39.240 civil service the entire british public is entirely screwed and it could be like just some some third

00:12:47.120 party hackers but it could be actual states assets of like china or russia or something

00:12:52.820 both those parties i'm sure are completely capable of doing it yeah you're creating a

00:12:57.960 massive honeypot and saying yeah hack this and it'll be like yeah of course yeah absolutely that's going

00:13:02.940 to be the target isn't it but i think they're not even necessarily going to be interested in like

00:13:06.700 leaking everyone's personal data because a lot of it's going to be pretty inane from that sort of

00:13:12.540 perspective it's going to be more to hold the country ransom because by centralizing it and

00:13:17.200 having all your documents in one place obviously the country's dependent on that to function now

00:13:21.300 so by hacking it they could hold the entire country to ransom because everything would

00:13:26.680 yes grind to a halt yeah that'll happen as well uh number eight is a crucial one it makes the

00:13:31.840 government a nexus now one of the key arguments you see by idiot lefties is well we already have a

00:13:39.040 relationship with like facebook and google and they already have lots of data on it so what does

00:13:42.900 it matter a lot of labor mps who are trying to understand how they can make an argument for this

00:13:47.060 are going for this one you've already got loads of digital accounts the important thing to understand

00:13:50.520 with all of those is all of them are one-to-one relationships so you've got a relationship with

00:13:55.000 facebook you've got a relationship with your bank you've got a relationship with i don't know

00:13:58.740 your mortgage company whatever it is but you've got a whole series of one-to-one relationships

00:14:02.920 all the way around and you are the nexus point of that what's going to happen is if they bring

00:14:08.040 digital ids is all of those services are not going to bother going to the expense of doing

00:14:13.020 their own individual identity verification that they do with you at the moment they're just going

00:14:17.340 to all say they link to the digital id so that means you no longer have a well you literally have

00:14:23.060 a one-to-one you have one one-to-one relationship with you and your digital id that the government owns

00:14:28.300 and then that is the nexus for absolutely everything else which means that if the government is the

00:14:34.140 nexus of that if they decide to limit you instead of at the moment they'd have to if they want to

00:14:40.240 say for example shut down your bank account they've got to have a court order for each individual

00:14:44.300 bank account you have if they want to take away your property they need to sign a warrant for that if

00:14:48.520 they want to shut you down from the thing they need to they need to lean on each digital service

00:14:52.960 in order to get it done whereas now they won't need to that they will just flag your digital id

00:14:58.240 and it's done in in one click i think it's also interesting that a lot of the tech sector which

00:15:04.560 is obviously american-based um has sided with trump because of the legislative favors he can afford

00:15:10.980 them and help them uh you know cutting back european legislation and all of a sudden digital id has been

00:15:16.160 introduced so now facebook is you know playing ball with trump and not censoring people as much

00:15:22.000 obviously there's still some going on um now they're introducing this sort of thing to what

00:15:27.420 basically take it away and of course there's also a cost incentive here for all of these individual

00:15:32.320 platforms to do this because if it's centralized it's out of their jurisdiction therefore they

00:15:36.620 don't have to pay for all of this verification lower liabilities for them a lot yeah there's no

00:15:41.700 way that they're not going to adopt it and even if they don't um it's going to put them at a

00:15:45.480 disadvantage relative to their competition because they're having to pay expenses that their

00:15:49.040 competition don't i mean everything even standard things like your parking app why are they

00:15:54.080 going to do anything other than just saying okay we'll just link us to your digital id and your app

00:15:58.760 will come online everything will end up linked to this and then that means they can shut you down

00:16:02.520 number nine um understand what so i've mentioned before that the un have been pushing this agenda

00:16:09.700 for years i did a brokonomics maybe two years ago on the on the un 2030 agenda and about how they

00:16:14.440 they've had these plans out there for years the other thing to bear in mind is it's is very much a tony

00:16:18.820 blair thing so tony blair the tony blair institute if you've ever looked into that his whole modus

00:16:25.540 operandi is he wants to go and work with every government around the world and the back end of

00:16:31.400 that is big tech companies who is selling stuff in so a typical tony blair institute day will be

00:16:38.340 going into i don't know bemalia or something and saying oh that's a bit of a rubbish country you got

00:16:43.680 there but why don't you just give us loads of money and what we do is we then channel

00:16:47.620 some of it minus a fee of course to all these big tech companies and and they'll put a load

00:16:52.220 of services in and that will modernize you it's literally the tony blair institute playbook but

00:16:59.540 now he's just doing it with a much bigger country rather than bemali it's also worth mentioning as

00:17:04.120 well that he tried to pass this in 2006 as prime minister and failed and now he's succeeded outside

00:17:10.280 of government and this is important as well because his tony blair institute now is you know is funded

00:17:16.460 enormously and has more employees than we have mps in parliament as far as i'm aware it's a huge

00:17:22.640 institute and also lots of the people involved in it are like former prime ministers and presidents

00:17:27.940 of european countries and there are lots of important statesmen he's got so many connections

00:17:33.560 and i think that's why he's landed this i mean he's effectively usurping davos at this point

00:17:37.500 he is yeah he's he's he's sort of the leader of the techno globalist function i think well this

00:17:43.340 playbook is not entirely new we did a brokonomics again probably a couple years ago on a very very

00:17:48.400 interesting important book called confessions of an economic hitman it's very similar to that isn't

00:17:52.480 it yeah very similar and anyone's out there watch that bit of content or read the book or listen to

00:17:56.260 the audio book on youtube confessions of an economic hitman which is largely talking about stuff that

00:18:01.620 happened in the 60s and 70s but it's a similar old school analog thing you go to third world

00:18:07.260 you go to different governments in the third world you say we can make your country better you have to

00:18:12.560 buy loads of things off of us to make your country better oh and if you don't we'll send in cia

00:18:18.300 assassins you take out a massive loan from the marines that money never leaves the u.s it goes straight

00:18:23.580 to the contractors in the u.s and you've now just got a massive debt and we'll build you airports and

00:18:28.260 dams which may or may not materialize in real life um yeah either way you're on the hook to us

00:18:33.260 yes and what tony blair's doing what you described is just like a digital yes 21st century version

00:18:39.140 it's the same playbook that's been using since the and the net result is that we own you yes he's

00:18:44.720 basically a loan shark isn't he right but better plow on for for time's sake um future abuses are

00:18:51.380 inevitable now this one i'm going to adapt slightly for the left-wing argument here um so if you are a

00:18:57.680 for whatever reason watching this uh bear in mind that this will be a massive gift to any future

00:19:04.760 government that wants to do mass deportations because it's going to link to your birth records

00:19:10.740 so it's got your ethnicity in there that a future based government could if it wished

00:19:16.980 know instantly not only who all the people you can just set the criteria you know do you have a

00:19:22.840 relative that was born do you have a direct ancestor who was born in this country pre-1948

00:19:27.520 yes or no that that would be a click of a switch to identify all of those people and then you know

00:19:32.560 where all of them are you know what you've changed my mind no i'm joking control f just apply a filter

00:19:39.100 yes and you've got everyone you need yes um now i'm i'm so that that isn't enough to flip me because

00:19:45.780 on the basis that actually everything else about it is so bad and actually the problem with mass

00:19:50.780 deportations is political will not so much the tools but just bear in mind that whatever your

00:19:56.340 political leanings an alternative government can abuse this against you so powerfully and if you

00:20:01.740 are a lefty who thinks that it's a good idea well you're basically just saying that any future based

00:20:06.300 government will will be able to deport 10 million people easily with this thing so so you know bear

00:20:11.160 that in mind you're quite right if you just quickly say if you're a right-leaning person you're

00:20:15.860 worry about the leftist communists using it to oppress you of course the flip side is true yes

00:20:20.340 if you're a lefty and we get a fascist government yes or just a normal government they'll come after

00:20:25.760 you just as easily yeah so yeah yeah but of course yeah uh number 11 massive expense um so billions

00:20:32.160 have been wasted on various it projects the the nhs has sunk hundreds of billions at this point

00:20:38.360 trying to modernize its it systems this will be the same so in fact that number 11 is the thing that

00:20:42.820 the probably thing that will save us from this is the inefficiencies will just consume the budget

00:20:47.740 before it actually comes online um 12 administrative drag that's something you mentioned early on about

00:20:54.000 businesses constantly having to verify customers um 13 marginalized citizens those unwilling or unable

00:20:59.760 to comply uh basically just shut out the system a point you made earlier on as well so um yeah

00:21:06.160 you know i and and the way i look at it is look i have a i have a heritage in this country that goes

00:21:11.340 back thousands of years i don't need to ask permission from my government a globalist temporary

00:21:16.440 globalist government if i'm allowed to live or work here but that flip is entirely uh 14 a point

00:21:22.940 you made earlier um the uk have already rejected id cards blair tried to push him as hard as he could

00:21:28.860 when he was in office at the height of his power and he couldn't do it public backlash was too strong

00:21:33.600 so you know don't let us down now chaps uh 15 uh something i alluded to earlier um other countries

00:21:40.260 have already tried this and already failed so um the indian adaha system possibly i might be

00:21:48.040 pronouncing that wrong uh they had a um digital id system um computer error was made millions starved

00:21:55.040 because okay well you're not getting your sack of rice this week because computer says no

00:21:59.560 and when when like starving people turned up at the normal place to say well you know normally give me a

00:22:05.300 sack of rice this week uh and normally the way it worked is the guy knew the people who were coming

00:22:11.120 and it all kind of worked well now he's got a little computer thing that says no don't give it

00:22:15.060 so they didn't so starvation um it will probably be different in the uk but there will be failures

00:22:22.340 and it will be massively inconveniencing for whatever whatever failure type condition that it is

00:22:28.760 um authoritarian temptation so the chinese model um this will become a social credit system now i'm

00:22:37.440 going to give you um a couple of bits now from the bis so this guy um it looks like was it baron

00:22:46.320 silas from from danger mouse but this is actually the end boss of globalism you might think it's

00:22:53.380 but actually looks very much like i imagined actually yes this this is the this is basically

00:23:00.500 the top globalist and the bank of international settlements is like the top institution you never

00:23:04.660 hear about it but the thing is right again like the like the un sustainable goals i track what

00:23:10.080 they're putting out and because nobody follows these people they just come out and say in these

00:23:16.400 press releases yeah we're looking for total global domination they just openly say it and because

00:23:21.520 nobody reads the press release nobody cares or nobody gets upset about it but i found out about

00:23:26.980 the bank of international settlements when i was like in my 30s when i'd already been working for

00:23:31.700 investment banks and asset management companies for years i was like wait so this goes back to there

00:23:35.680 and ultimately where does it all go where does it all end up you end up like the international

00:23:39.620 monetary fund the world bank venture bank or the bank of international settlements yeah that's the

00:23:44.300 thing and it's like oh okay that exists quickly read the wikipedia page all right they're one of the

00:23:48.540 most pivotal things in the whole world all right and no one's ever heard and you had to be working

00:23:52.060 in the guts of finance to even hear about yeah so let's hear what these guys just openly say that

00:23:58.700 they're um they're up to a bit more they'll realize that nope hang on our analysis on cbdc in particular

00:24:06.740 for the use of general to the general use we tend to establish the equivalence with cash

00:24:14.120 and there is a huge difference there for example in cash we don't know for example who is using

00:24:22.180 a 100 dollar bill today we don't know who is using a 1000 peso bill today

00:24:27.720 a key difference in with the cbdc is that central bank will have absolute control

00:24:36.200 on the rules and regulations that will determine the use of that expression of central bank liability

00:24:44.100 and also we will have the technology to enforce that those are those two issues are extremely

00:24:51.840 important and that makes a huge difference with respect to what to what cash is extremely important

00:25:00.620 to you if you're trying to control the whole world yes otherwise it's not extremely important yes

00:25:05.160 absolutely i mean he just says it there is it's about absolute control of every transaction

00:25:11.840 if they decide that you've had too much meat this week or you've you've used too many carbon credits

00:25:17.480 they can just shut you off they decided you're trying to use your card too far from your home

00:25:22.120 and that you need to be kept in your 15 minute city or your you meet the profile of somebody who

00:25:27.420 might go to a protest in london but actually you live in wiltshire or something well they're just

00:25:31.900 going to disable your ability to spend more than 20 miles from your home it could be anything the

00:25:36.680 government policy could be that we don't like kulaks now and you're not allowed to own a goat

00:25:40.300 yes you're not allowed to own a sheep to make your own milk yeah so we said we see that you're

00:25:45.000 trying to buy a goat and we'll just stop it whatever it is whatever it is some quotes from the

00:25:52.060 it's mad from from the bis annual economic report 2021 uh quote identification is central to the

00:26:00.160 design of central bank digital currencies this calls for central bank digital currency that is

00:26:04.900 account based and ultimately tied to identity another thing from the same paper uh cbdc's built

00:26:11.280 on identity verification could improve cross-border payments and limit the risks of currency

00:26:16.320 substitution so basically they don't want bitcoin because because you don't they don't want to get

00:26:22.320 into a situation where money is separate from the state like the way that it was all through history

00:26:27.820 where gold was its own thing and the state was its own thing and it couldn't print gold so the king had to go

00:26:34.520 to whoever he had to go to um parliament or whatever it was and and and if it was a good

00:26:39.300 king like what is it fifth henry the fifth or something it'd be like yeah we you're you're on top

00:26:43.700 of this we're going to give you gold but rest of the time it's like no we're not giving you the gold

00:26:47.620 well there's a time in the 20th century it might have been fdr before the war just said you basically

00:26:53.200 can't have very much bullion you can't have gold really you can have a little bit like in jewelry

00:26:57.100 a few coins but you can't just hold a big bar of gold under your bed that's not allowed

00:27:01.820 yeah right they tried to take the beginning of the end that was in my opinion they had to because

00:27:07.260 gold was separate from the state yeah so they had they had to try and do what they could to take

00:27:10.980 control of it and if bitcoin comes in money is a different thing from the state and they can't

00:27:15.760 have that um another thing from the same document the bis rejects token-based cbdc that would allow

00:27:23.380 anonymity so they need to see everything oh by the way um they're also developing something called

00:27:29.120 wholesale cbdcs which is what they will use and what the elites will use and what governments will

00:27:34.520 use and guess how that's different from a normal cbdc anonymity it can be anonymous yes so if you're

00:27:40.500 in tony blair's club or this dude's club yeah then you can be anonymous and hold billions millions

00:27:44.780 billions yes but normal folk no complete no anonymity of course um and have i done this one oh yeah

00:27:52.120 uh bis has set out a recommended approach stating a preference for an account based system so that

00:27:58.680 basically means one that's tied to a digital id so so yes um let me rattle through the last couple

00:28:04.600 excuse is a smoke screen uh so obviously it's got nothing to do with the legal migration because

00:28:09.740 you know and we covered that in our conversation as we went on 18 it shifts the burden to citizens

00:28:14.640 so instead of the government having to justify its failures to us we have to justify ourselves to the

00:28:19.720 government continuously uh number 19 a ratchet effect once a system like this is in place it never

00:28:25.560 shrinks it only ever expands i mean uh income tax for example supposed to be a temporary measure at the

00:28:30.660 end of the was it naponial wars yeah and now it's tied into absolutely everything uh and and 20 this is

00:28:37.760 obviously not for the stated reasons and the broader point here is that as i think you're going to

00:28:44.880 indicate later starmer has no credibility has no popular support and no attempt is even being made

00:28:53.640 to manufacture consent for any of this what they're doing is that is they're trying to earn enough

00:28:59.520 globalist brownie points so that when they're kicked out they can go and get a job in one of these big

00:29:04.720 globalist institutions and they can say well when i was in office i did everything you wanted me to do

00:29:10.040 where's my sinecure that that's basically what they're asking for um finally i will give you or

00:29:18.060 semi finally i will give you this so now having laid out all those arguments as to why everything

00:29:23.060 is is um you know that well that's all bullshit um you you can listen to this and instantly dismantle

00:29:29.140 this man's arguments and support it i'm not sure whether i don't know whether you just lack

00:29:33.920 imagination or whether you genuinely believe what you're telling me here because it is a very small

00:29:40.260 step between a digital id and a social credit system with the british people uh beholden to a

00:29:47.780 government that has powers beyond your wildest dreams of how you can control the population and i ask you

00:29:54.180 again if 100 of the people in this country don't support it what happens then are you going to put over

00:30:00.600 two million people in prison if we don't have a digital id

00:30:03.440 so i think we should be talking about some sort of dystopian sci-fi novel um the digital id is is not

00:30:12.100 mandatory you're not going to it literally is mandatory have to carry it around in your pocket

00:30:16.640 no police are going to be you do need to carry it around in your pocket because it will be linked to

00:30:21.000 your phone so it'll be on a central database but it will be you know you can show it on your phone

00:30:25.760 we'll be in the room with you yeah to make sure you have it it's to make those transactions with

00:30:30.600 the state slightly easier and slightly more secure no it's to make all transactions run through the

00:30:35.960 state so you might need it or you will need it when you're registering for a new job when you're

00:30:40.820 maybe doing some financial transactions trying to buy something around a particularly large purchase

00:30:47.700 or interacting with hmrc these are these are sensible things that you need your id to do

00:30:53.060 um to access at the moment anyway so there's no real change apart i mean it's a massive change so

00:30:58.560 you can just see i mean all of his arguments are completely dismantled by this via this little list

00:31:02.600 um one final thing i'm very going to quickly mention before i run out of time is i do acknowledge

00:31:09.500 that in a digital age there was a legitimate need for digital ids

00:31:13.640 however the solution to that is something called zero knowledge proofs which i won't have time to go

00:31:18.880 into now but i won't go into into some detail in my brokernomics zero knowledge proof is basically

00:31:24.740 it's a way that you can hold a digital identity of yourself and prove only what you need to prove

00:31:31.320 so you are the owner of that digital id but you can then use it to interact with anything you might

00:31:36.960 need to and the fundamental difference between a zero knowledge proof and a government digital id

00:31:41.480 is that you have total ownership of it and it can still perfectly function as a digital id

00:31:47.280 so there are solutions out there they're just trying to rapidly push for a government mandated

00:31:52.200 one where they control everything before people start getting these zero knowledge proofs in place

00:31:56.820 which will then do the same job but just won't be controlled by them all right do we need to do

00:32:04.180 any of these comment things now i believe so let's have a look yeah actually see them taylor harris

00:32:12.420 um says thank you very much for your 10 pounds by the way um dan if you want to do a brokernomics

00:32:17.240 episode or a segment about mortgages i'd love to put something together illustrating how easy the

00:32:22.120 banks have made it for non-natives to buy an advisor well even better taylor um get in touch with

00:32:27.820 lotus eaters at um no hang on contact yes that's it contact at lotus eaters.com

00:32:33.180 um and mark it for my attention and uh we'll have a chat uh baz the dark horse says uh youtube won't

00:32:41.100 let me comment how i want it's already here okay um and he also says i am sure we are on the list

00:32:48.680 just for watching lotus eaters yes very probably and um chamois says uh has anyone done the master

00:32:54.820 figure out how many people would actually have to opt out before they have to give up on the digital id

00:32:59.060 scheme um i don't know all i can say is that austria tried to push their covid mandates

00:33:07.540 and three million people no six million people just point blank refused and they walked it up to the

00:33:13.260 day before they were going to have to jail six million people and then they backed down so

00:33:17.080 oh that's weird i thought it was just a populist delusion that it's never possible the elites are

00:33:21.260 going to do exactly what they want at all times and what normal people never ever ever matters

00:33:25.340 under any circumstances i thought that was a delusion apart from all the times when it did

00:33:31.320 work okay so let's talk about the looming u.s government shutdown hooray it's going to happen

00:33:38.980 it's almost certainly going to happen at midnight tonight the u.s government is going to disappear

00:33:43.800 oh it's not going to disappear and it's going to be a wonderful time to be an american for a short

00:33:48.480 amount of time the united states is going to implode exactly one second past midnight tonight i do like

00:33:54.560 the ice bit can can we privately fund that with a gofundme or something just shut down the rest

00:33:59.540 of it sponsor an ice agent yes adopt an ice agent if you get a little photo you can put up in your

00:34:03.980 loo it'll be just be him in a mask but it's okay because this sort of thing has happened for there

00:34:09.540 is some sorts of precedent for it so it's not quite as sort of um catastrophic as it might sound well

00:34:15.020 we'll see but it looks like another one is in the offing uh before we go on can we mention

00:34:19.440 mention islander magazine oh there we go uh today is almost certainly the last day you can get it

00:34:25.620 before it it uh entirely sells out i don't want to get hysterical about it but buy it buy it now

00:34:32.980 yes do it you're doing it you should see the aftermarket yeah it oh yeah it goes up in price

00:34:38.020 it's very in demand secondhand they they go for a mint don't they yes apparently um um okay so

00:34:46.360 uh let's see the first let's see the first link let's see what vox which is you know left-leaning

00:34:52.360 isn't it vox very left-leaning so just about 40 45 50 seconds of this when a trash can gets full

00:34:58.880 and there's a government shutdown people don't stop throwing stuff on top of it but i did manage to pick

00:35:04.980 up a couple truckloads of trash before i was told don't do it anymore people were not even able to

00:35:10.060 volunteer during the government shutdown the u.s is the only country in the world where the

00:35:18.120 government can actually shut down and the threat looms nearly every year seven days till shutdown four

00:35:24.540 days t-money six days five days government shutdown at midnight tonight i just feel that gut like in my

00:35:30.660 chest like oh like not again so why does the u.s even shut down and what happens when it does

00:35:38.800 you travel three and a half thousand miles to america and find the place shut down

00:35:44.560 yeah so another i mean that was the last time there was a shutdown the the federal government

00:35:53.260 actually did more work by going around putting up barriers around everything rather than just

00:35:57.820 leaving it be classic classic yeah but there's also the fact that it's sort of the best time

00:36:04.960 to be in america because the government's not meddling with you for a while like they're acting

00:36:09.660 like it's the end of the world guess what america even with its government shutdowns is still the most

00:36:14.240 powerful country in the world by a significant margin as well as the fact that you know it happens

00:36:20.220 regularly nothing bad happens the sky's not going to fall down on you and actually i think it's kind

00:36:25.120 of a good thing because you know well and also it doesn't really do it's only like a third of it

00:36:29.980 that shuts down the rest of it just carries on going and the thing is yeah a lot of it doesn't

00:36:33.580 shut down it just means federal employees aren't paid exactly on time most of them continue keep

00:36:39.120 going to work i'll get into that in a moment exactly what's happened in the past when this

00:36:43.040 has happened and it has it has happened a few quite a few times since the 80s first time it ever

00:36:47.560 happened was in the early 80s under reagan but i'll get into all of that but the the only reason

00:36:52.360 this actually happens at a sort of systems level is that america has separation of powers right

00:36:58.340 and so it wouldn't happen in britain because the legislative and the executive are pretty much

00:37:04.060 fused yeah and it's because they have uh measures against tyranny that this happens in the first

00:37:11.000 place so they're acting as if it's a bad thing but sorry well there's another thing that it was in the

00:37:14.860 70s i believe 1974 and 1975 so under nixon or fold maybe it was proposed under nixon but actually

00:37:21.380 happened under fold anyway in the mid 70s they passed a law saying that this was possible even

00:37:27.420 that congress has got literal deadlines where something has to be agreed by a certain literally

00:37:32.120 certain time of day on a certain day otherwise everything grinds to a halt before then it wasn't

00:37:38.300 a thing that's why it's only ever started happening in the very early 80s

00:37:42.000 um so there's nothing written in the actual constitution in the late 18th century saying

00:37:47.560 congress has got these deadlines and if they don't meet them then the federal government

00:37:51.160 grinds to a halt that's not the case but so anyway that's just a side note really

00:37:55.400 um so okay it looks like another one is looming here's an article from the bbc

00:38:00.920 that it's looming and both sides um as usual sort of blaming each other because it's a game of

00:38:06.040 brinkmanship in in in various senses that one side has to they've got a political wrangling with

00:38:13.260 each other they have to come to some sort of agreement it's nearly always over the budget

00:38:17.820 budgets appropriation bills and things um and both sides usually just blame each other

00:38:23.760 for being the one that's causing the impasse and therefore a shutdown i mean historically

00:38:30.940 the democrats have won those blame games because they control the media

00:38:35.120 right often usually that's often the way it goes yeah so the last big one was actually in trump's first

00:38:41.100 term the longest one ever it was like 34 35 days long it was over the wall who's going to pay for

00:38:47.740 the wall um and yeah you can imagine the democrats fairly easily won the argument arguably in the

00:38:55.520 court of public opinion that it's trump that's causing this that is trump's trying to do something

00:39:00.540 that nobody really wants or likes and he's digging his heels in and refusing apart from that he won an

00:39:05.480 election on it yeah well there's that yeah and uh we now know the wall works very well or at least

00:39:11.320 parts parts well it's basically his campaign slogan in his first run wasn't it we're going to build a

00:39:16.140 wall so in this instance they're arguing over all sorts of things lots of different things actually

00:39:21.600 one of one i suppose one of the main things again broadly speaking is uh different types of welfare

00:39:28.220 um that the democrats want and that the republicans and trump don't want because trump's trying to

00:39:33.840 reduce the size of of of the state isn't he like doge and everything is trying to cut back

00:39:38.940 and sort of rightly because it's too swollen isn't it the democrats sort of refusing to sort of allow

00:39:46.080 that to happen saying we'll let we'll let the whole thing shut down before we'll allow that to happen

00:39:49.880 well let's listen to senator schumer old chucky boy let's hear what uh the prince of darkness himself

00:39:57.820 has got to say we have very large differences on health care and on their ability to undo whatever

00:40:04.600 budget we agree to through rescissions and through uh impoundment as well as pocket rescissions

00:40:11.060 and we've i think for the first time the president heard our objections

00:40:15.760 and heard why we needed a bipartisan bill their bill has not one iota of democratic input

00:40:24.280 that is never how we've done this before we have disagreements about tax policy but you don't shut

00:40:29.520 that government down we have disagreements about health care policy but you don't shut the government

00:40:33.200 down you don't use your policy disagreements as leverage to not pay our troops to not have

00:40:39.080 essential services of government actually function you don't say the fact that you disagree about a

00:40:43.660 particular tax provision is an excuse for shutting down the people's government and all the essential

00:40:48.680 services that come along with it okay so if you might sort of imagine both sides sort of blaming

00:40:54.460 each other for the impasse um but another quote um i think it was from jd vance again says you don't

00:41:01.420 put a gun to the american people's head and say unless you do exactly what uh the senate and house

00:41:06.020 democrats want you to do we're going to shut down your government um so there you go you can sort of

00:41:13.240 make up your own mind i guess it will be one of those things that you bring your biases to it

00:41:17.040 if you're a democrat partisan you will see that it's trump and vance and the the democrats sorry

00:41:24.560 the republicans that are being unreasonable and if you look at it from the other side you're like

00:41:28.080 well it's chuck schumer's just not really playing his role well i just i just think it's a good

00:41:31.800 good thing to shut the government down yeah i think optically vance had the better of it there

00:41:38.040 because he was framing it in the sense of well they're holding people doing important jobs to

00:41:43.040 ransom for their policy proposals whereas schumer was basically saying we've got differences and

00:41:48.260 that's why it's happened yeah i don't think that's an argument that necessarily is going to wash as well

00:41:53.660 as look at these poor people who aren't being paid and it's the political reality that the republicans

00:41:59.140 have got the white house of course they also control uh got a majority in congress and they've got a

00:42:05.740 majority though not super majority in the senate you don't have a super majority for a budget bill

00:42:12.880 though do you yeah well if you just want to force it through apparently you do you need 60 you would

00:42:17.100 need 60 just to do exactly as you please right they haven't got 60 right they've got more than 50

00:42:22.960 but not more than 60 so so in other words when you look at in those terms the republicans hold nearly

00:42:29.500 all the cards but not all the cards right the democrats can still prevent uh trump doing whatever

00:42:37.260 he wants assuming the party goes in line with whatever trump wants um they can in the senate

00:42:43.440 stop it so in other words hold them to account they can sort of force an impasse which is exactly

00:42:50.680 sort of what this is isn't it i always remember when we had covid and they they sent away non-essential

00:42:56.240 workers not not just america but everywhere non-essential work government workers were like

00:43:01.120 put on was it furlough why why would you want any non-essential government workers why did they ever

00:43:08.500 come back if they're not essential there's no need for them is there yes well all three of us at this

00:43:13.560 table are for small government aren't we yeah i know you're josh you're happy to talk about your

00:43:19.900 libertarian leanings i've got a few libertarian leanings myself i know you have said before dan

00:43:24.100 that you would like the government to be uh the crown uh the king and the king's butler yeah

00:43:31.320 everything else could be done in the private section if i am to defend myself um here because

00:43:36.260 people will criticize me because that libertarian carries a dirty reputation sorry yeah that wasn't

00:43:41.260 meant as a smear at all no um i think that power should be used to clear everything away and then

00:43:47.200 eventually when you you've unanimously won the debate so to speak then you can start trimming things down

00:43:53.180 but having state power is useful yeah and just a quick reminder by islander it's gonna run it's

00:43:59.080 gonna sell out also that unless you're a u.s government employee who hasn't been paid in which

00:44:05.360 case you need to get a loan first then you can't afford it yeah sorry if i blew anyone's eardrums out

00:44:09.340 there people quite often get angry no if you raise your voice they need to be told um okay so trump

00:44:13.900 has responded by posting by posting this oh wait samson put the audio on nobody likes democrats anymore

00:44:24.620 look guys from the beginning there's no way to sugarcoat it nobody likes democrats anymore we have

00:44:30.120 no voters left because of all of our woke trans not even black people want to vote for us anymore

00:44:35.600 even latinos hate us so we need new voters and if we give all these illegal aliens free health care

00:44:43.180 we might be able to get them on our side so they can vote for us they can't even speak english

00:44:48.280 so they won't realize we're just a bunch of woke pieces of you know at least for a while until they

00:44:55.440 they learn english and they realize they hate us too that was entirely ai generated i'm giving to

00:45:02.420 understand um we're so lucky that we got a trump presidency at the same time that ai hit because

00:45:07.460 he knows how to take advantage of this stuff yeah yeah he's got he's got a sense of humor you've got

00:45:12.320 to give that to trump surely his worst attractors will admit yes that he's got a sense of humor whether

00:45:17.420 you agree with it or not i was actually watching a video of someone traveling in in the east and even

00:45:23.120 people in india were just like we like donald trump because he's funny that's what people outside of

00:45:28.180 america see is that he's got a sense of humor yeah more than anything really yeah

00:45:31.720 um a lot of the sort of lefty legacy mainstream corporate media going a bit crazy about that ai

00:45:36.760 video he posted i mean both uh kim jeffries and shuma himself um they've responded angrily

00:45:44.400 and jeffries called it bigotry not to get too schoolyard here but if you get really angry at

00:45:52.020 someone teasing you it sort of suggests it's hit a nerve doesn't it yeah sort of suggests that they've

00:45:55.920 got a point and that you're a little worse the only way to deal with like real criticism

00:46:00.560 is either ignore it or roll with it don't get your panties in a twist because then you just look

00:46:07.200 weak pretty much i had somebody on one of my videos the other day he insulted me and it was

00:46:14.360 so cutting but it was also really funny so i had to give him a thumbs up yeah yeah most criticism i get

00:46:21.020 is quite funny and like yeah i'll roll with it very very rarely where it's so cutting so on the

00:46:27.840 nose so perfect that it actually wounds me and i'm like i'm just gonna have to ignore that

00:46:31.700 but that's quite rare it's really quite rare i don't know about you guys but well you have to

00:46:36.220 have a thick skin to do but the people who can pull that off are also the people who are funny

00:46:39.800 about it so you you kind of admire it at the same time yeah because most people if they're funny with

00:46:45.380 it they're actually probably kind of on your side or to some degree they're like popping anyway anyway

00:46:52.140 that's an aside let's keep talking about trump and the shutdown um okay uh uh one we're told that

00:47:00.520 the democrats uh uh want the entire practice to end of this sort of these impasse things but

00:47:07.380 they've they've also it's happened on their watch as well it's happened on their watch as well i mean

00:47:13.660 somewhere i've got a uh it happened to clinton for quite a long time as well or a couple of times

00:47:18.280 i think it's at the bottom of this one and we've got a little thing showing when it's happened in the

00:47:23.840 past here we go here we go so and that's these numbers here how many days it lasted for

00:47:29.280 so you can see even trying so you can see in the in the 80s it was wasn't exactly common but

00:47:38.600 you know whenever it did happen they would come to an agreement pretty quickly because as you can

00:47:43.300 well imagine it's just very very unpopular with federal employees of course the whole of america

00:47:48.880 don't like it it is a bit embarrassing in a way isn't it that your government's just ground to a halt

00:47:55.020 but they all vote democrat anyway apart from maybe the military i feel bad for the military in the

00:47:58.880 ice agents yeah yeah i don't know that yeah no i feel bad i feel bad for anyone that's got to put

00:48:05.880 food on their table really it's not and when it's completely out of your hands you just work for

00:48:12.000 like um you just work for an airport a federal airport say as long as it's not tsa yeah i don't

00:48:18.260 know yeah they can in fact they can stand to lose a few meals can't they

00:48:23.560 have you ever seen a photo of a tsa agent if they see this you are going to have a very intimate

00:48:31.280 uh examination when you're in america next yeah um that 1995 one that must have been bill

00:48:37.620 when it that would have been during bill's time and that 2018 one that's the the trump border war one

00:48:43.240 again sort of the most unprecedented so that's the number to beat yeah right yeah yeah um in that

00:48:50.340 instance i think it was to do with aviation staff as well where they were saying that we haven't been

00:48:54.240 paid for over a month and we're going to start walking out um if you don't start paying us again

00:48:59.820 and that would have meant that you know millions or thousands of thousands of airplanes will be

00:49:03.820 grounded and then the country and the economy really starts screeching to a halt so because i think

00:49:09.260 they get back pay they get they get yeah i think oh yeah they still get paid yeah eventually once

00:49:13.720 the government is breathed back into life that you get yeah you get your back yeah you don't just lose

00:49:19.640 that money as i understand it um well maybe they need to change that then the democrats uh say like

00:49:26.280 what's the point that this is one of the democrats angle they're saying to the republicans like what's

00:49:31.460 the point in negotiating spending levels i.e budgets congressional budgets if trump's just going to ignore

00:49:38.460 them anyway because this is one of the things trump has done there's like a federal budget

00:49:42.220 a congressionally agreed budget for all the different departments of state but then trump's

00:49:46.660 trying to under with doge and stuff he's trying to underspend anyway regardless because he's just

00:49:52.260 trying to reduce the size of the of the state so they're saying what's the point in making these

00:49:57.940 negotiations with us if you're just not even going to spend right up to the limit anyway now that

00:50:03.100 seems like a very shaky argument to me like because they don't have to spend all the money you don't

00:50:08.900 have to do that well the elephant in the room here is that the democrats want them

00:50:12.220 to spend more isn't it and so they want to be seen as pushing that even though that the entire

00:50:16.480 purpose that there has to be this negotiation is to limit spending it's supposed to be baked into

00:50:21.280 the system yeah but sorry you're going to say something down i can't know what i was going to

00:50:25.940 say no it would have been a good um in the bbc article they say um the negotiating positions of both

00:50:32.380 sides um is is about politics not necessarily really about money it's about like the party politic

00:50:37.900 thing that it's more that like in other words they could come to an agreement both sides could could

00:50:44.700 blink either or both sides could sort of blink and come to a negotiation the negotiation table and

00:50:49.740 make a deal hammer out a deal but both sides this is what the bbc are saying take that for what it's

00:50:56.200 worth that they want the other side to look like they're the one shutting down the government

00:51:01.520 well like i say historically democrats have done well out of that tactic because they control the

00:51:06.720 media but the problem is nobody's like watching cnn or msnbc these days everybody's watching

00:51:12.040 right-wing controlled media now that's online so i don't know i i kind of back the right team to uh

00:51:20.960 win this one in the pr campaign we're told that trump and the republican congressional leaders are

00:51:27.040 already claiming they are the reasonable ones they're the ones they say who simply want to buy more

00:51:32.800 time to negotiate without adverse consequences of a shutdown of course democrats don't see it that

00:51:38.100 way complicating all this for democrats is the reality that many republicans many republicans

00:51:43.860 seem at peace with an extended government closure

00:51:46.480 it's it's quite it's always nice in any sort of negotiation where the other party's hardest line

00:51:55.300 thing the worst thing they could do the worst card they could ever pull you don't even really care if

00:51:59.880 they do that that's always nice right when you are when maybe you're in a market and you're haggling

00:52:04.340 for something and you just go to walk away and you actually don't care if they let you walk away you

00:52:08.840 could do without the thing you hold all the power all the cards then don't you really um they're saying

00:52:14.740 that that's how the republicans are looking at this yeah we'll do a shutdown then see how that works

00:52:20.400 see how you like that that's a terrible punishment for a government that wants to reduce the size of the

00:52:25.880 state right exactly exactly um white house budget chief russ uh russ vault i might be pronouncing

00:52:33.720 surname incorrectly there uh recently calculated uh um uh circulated a memorandum explaining how the

00:52:39.560 trump administration would use a shutdown to make new long-term reductions in federal spending and

00:52:44.980 employment and employment roles so again good it'll just yeah do it chuck it just gives us a bit of

00:52:52.240 breathing space to to really nail down and define exactly what we're going to do going forward yeah

00:52:59.300 you you shut it down we'll make the argument that you're the baddie in all of this and it's good for

00:53:03.200 us anyway maybe that's true you never know the public not just the american public all publics

00:53:09.380 can be very fickle can't they they can be very fickle they might decide oh actually this is trump and

00:53:15.700 vance screwing with my money now i don't know as you said the optics of the little clip we just

00:53:21.760 watched it did look like the republicans are being the dicks in this right it does seem that way they

00:53:26.740 seem more like the way around the democrats as in they were talking about party politics and then

00:53:31.880 vance was talking about how well they're just holding public employees to ransom so stop doing that

00:53:38.040 which i think is the line that the public are more sympathetic towards chuck schumer says it's quote

00:53:44.480 an attempt to intimidation donald trump has been firing federal workers since day one

00:53:49.460 not to govern but to scare this is nothing new and has nothing to do with funding the government

00:53:54.800 there's also the very obvious argument that if they control the government you know they control

00:54:00.100 congress the presidency and have a majority in the judiciary why would they shut down the government

00:54:06.280 themselves if they run it it makes no sense obviously it's the democrats doing it yes it does it does

00:54:13.000 seem that way and again where i mentioned that the republicans hold the white house congress and

00:54:18.120 the senate um it's it's sort of it's their turn to govern they're supposed to be the governing faction

00:54:23.100 um you're kind of obliged to the way it always used to work you as the junior partner in congress

00:54:29.180 and you're sort of obliged to go along with them to some degree well and also as i understand it

00:54:34.120 the reason it's being shut down is because they're trying to spend less money yeah basically yeah

00:54:39.060 yeah yeah or one of the things schumer said is that it's just all the intimidation

00:54:43.120 and the um trump's uh budget is just not including all the things we want well that's what you get

00:54:50.520 when you get smashed at the ballot box yeah that's what you get it's like very anti-democratic that is

00:54:55.000 isn't it if my wife was coming to me and saying um you know i want to increase spending on on the on

00:55:02.200 the credit card i'd be like no i'm shutting it down if she came to me and said i'm going to find a way

00:55:08.440 to spend less money i'll be like you're right go on then yeah i'm not gonna have a problem with

00:55:12.580 that yeah but the democrats don't think like that as they see it people like chuck schumer i think

00:55:18.240 see it as a zero-sum game if they or if you don't use it you lose it if we're not exercising power

00:55:24.460 if we're not putting loads of pressure on the white house whoever is in the big seat in the oval office

00:55:30.260 if we're not sort of sticking our oar in then uh then we're not we're not doing our job right or we

00:55:36.680 may as well not be there or something so a big state is a good in itself of itself so yeah yeah

00:55:41.280 something along those lines let's quickly watch a few seconds of this video just to give a tiny bit

00:55:45.620 more we wanted to take a deep dive into the history of government shutdowns and we found out

00:55:50.020 it's relatively modern they became a possibility after congress passed the congressional budget act

00:55:55.720 in 1974 it gave congress deadlines to pass federal budgets the first government shutdown happened back

00:56:02.780 in 1981 under president ronald reagan's administration luckily that one only lasted a few

00:56:08.480 days in 1995 it shut down twice once from november 13th through the 19th and again a month later for a

00:56:16.120 little more than three weeks in 2018 that was the longest government shutdown in history it lasted

00:56:22.180 nearly a month from december 21st through january 25th 2019 that's when lawmakers were arguing over

00:56:29.680 president trump's proposed plan to fund a border wall the shutdown eventually ended with no funding

00:56:35.160 for that wall there's a typo in that timeline so the 1995 one did monica lewinski have to go home for

00:56:42.300 those two days we know bill yeah yeah no wonder bill sorted it out in record time you'd have to go

00:56:48.600 home to hillary and no one wants that oh yeah god so one of the last and wider points to make on this

00:56:53.160 is um it does feel like when that chart we looked at earlier um if you were to extrapolate that out

00:57:00.520 into the future uh whether it will just happen more and more um it's towards the bottom of that one

00:57:06.600 it's towards the bottom of this one is it um well you know going forward centuries from now

00:57:11.960 oh might have been the other bbc one well anyway you saw that they got longer over time yeah and um

00:57:19.640 um where i've likened the u.s republic to the late rome ancient roman republic um the sort of the

00:57:27.480 marian and sullen civil war obviously the end not the end point because history never stops but

00:57:33.180 sort of the uh the really important point is when sulla just entered rome as a military commander

00:57:39.220 and killed all his enemies but there'd been a few generations of lawfare before that

00:57:46.100 and a few generations of the government basically shutting down and all that sort of thing i feel

00:57:52.980 like the the u.s republic is really now on a slippery slope towards that whether it's in any

00:58:01.160 whether it's imminent or not that we actually end up with a sullen style civil war or a caesar pompey

00:58:09.580 style well this is the argument that most republics only last about 250 years coincidentally the u.s is on

00:58:15.700 the verge of celebrating 250 years yeah and the conditions are ripe for the birth of the u.s imperium

00:58:20.980 yeah is it going to be baron trump plays the role of caesar and becomes the first emperor strikes me

00:58:27.320 more as an octavian i don't know okay truly an emperor not just a dictator for life but a full-blown

00:58:32.620 yeah imperator yes first citizen perhaps so trump advance becomes the the dictator first citizen but

00:58:40.720 after him baron becomes an emperor i can no i don't know that'd be all right other people said

00:58:47.220 baron trump's massively astroturfed and he's he's nothing just because he's tall yeah people just

00:58:51.940 like him because he's very tall yeah that's basically it isn't it and the last thing to say in this

00:58:56.100 segment is meanwhile yes meanwhile the economy just keeps and debt just keeps absolutely spiraling

00:59:04.980 into numbers which make no sense i've got no real bearing on reality anymore meanwhile because

00:59:12.780 ultimately ultimately all this is kicking the can further down the road trump wants to spend a bit

00:59:17.800 less yes but it's still in me and if you believe elon musk or this uh this web page you'll see that

00:59:26.320 it needs to be massive massive cut in in federal spending well otherwise makes the point if you look

00:59:34.380 at the um discretionary spending and then the deficit the deficit is bigger so even if you bind all of the

00:59:43.180 discretionary spending all of it you're still going to be going deeper into debt so there's no way that

00:59:49.780 you're fixing this without going after something like medicare medicaid social security or a number of

00:59:55.320 the other things that are mandated spending they they have to come down otherwise you just go bust

01:00:00.000 it's also worth pointing out that the the total interest paid is actually larger than u.s federal

01:00:06.600 tax revenue which is never a good thing that alone is completely unsustainable and suicidal right

01:00:12.880 that alone dan yes right yes very much so they got the doge clock in there yeah that's not enough

01:00:19.500 that's not good enough that's that number's nowhere near big enough yeah you need an extra comma in there

01:00:23.940 yeah yeah so okay we'll leave it there but um if you're a federal employee you might not have to

01:00:33.100 go to work on wednesday oh no sorry you probably will go to work but you won't be getting paid

01:00:37.460 until chuck and the donald sort it out and come to some sort of agreement and we'll see how long that

01:00:45.020 takes who blinks first i'm sure the ice guys will carry on doing their thing and just yeah just pay

01:00:50.220 me whenever i'm just doing this for the the love of it i think the game yeah i think basically all

01:00:55.300 federal employees still just turn up for work yeah they just might not get a paycheck for like

01:01:00.260 two months or six weeks or something or hopefully the powers that be will sort it out long before

01:01:05.720 the next paycheck is due and no one will go empty-handed we got some comments i think

01:01:10.860 all right yes so

01:01:16.220 uh busted uh brains as amongst the dem so-called bipartisan demands are stealth repeals to the big

01:01:25.180 bills for medicaid coverage abused by legals equal according to the republicans approximately 1.5

01:01:31.680 trillion in spending oh that does make sense uh skiddington says the military doesn't get paid

01:01:37.560 first time it happened during my lifetime my husband was enlisted we were poor and we did not

01:01:41.160 get paid for a long time it affects people yes that does sound bad yeah it does sound bad um

01:01:46.180 only the bad federal employees we don't want to get paid right um uh layman muck says i wonder how

01:01:56.480 many military vets and uh personnel will stand by their oaths as they swore to the british people

01:02:01.940 and land from enemies both uh and land from enemies both domestic abroad and against the crown unlike the

01:02:08.040 police that that may have been relating to the last segment i'm not sure um

01:02:13.000 do we need to scroll down or something um okay i'm not sure what's going on now

01:02:20.960 i may have missed some comments because i don't know what i'm doing it's all right we can come

01:02:25.060 back to them at the end yes and then uh we can bring order to the chaos but i have some good news

01:02:32.460 actually so i wanted to cheer everyone up and say that actually things in britain could be worse

01:02:38.420 and uh it's worth pointing out that there is a sort of right-wing revival in britain

01:02:42.660 and uh i think also there might be a labour government in charge they they do still hold a lot of power

01:02:49.380 and that is rather unfortunate however um keir starmer is the most unpopular prime minister in the

01:02:57.320 history of ipsos polling which is quite something he's minus 66 in net satisfaction there

01:03:04.880 and 79 of people disapprove or dissatisfied and only 13 of the population are satisfied and it's

01:03:12.560 quite impressive how quickly he pulled that off because thatcher had to be in power for like 10

01:03:17.000 years before she was like hated at you know that sort of level and even boris johnson who did all of

01:03:24.180 the crazy shit that he did i mean the the lockdowns and the boris wave it still took him a good three or

01:03:29.500 four years to become truly hated whereas like starmer just walks in and just nails it within

01:03:35.100 the first six months i also think that that 13 is probably people who work for the state who've

01:03:40.840 explicitly had a pay rise under his watch so they're like well you know i like this guy he's giving me

01:03:46.100 more money so it's basically people that have been bought off that's how the public employees work is

01:03:51.760 that you get people to work for the state and then you give them pay rises at the expense of the

01:03:56.420 private um sector and you buy their votes that's why they expand the government constantly also

01:04:01.640 probably why that exists also dyed in the wool reds or pinkos or many of those that are turning

01:04:08.540 to the greens now as well aren't they because he's not left-wing enough so he's got this impossible

01:04:12.400 situation where if he goes to the right the left hates him and if he goes to the left you know the

01:04:18.400 right and maybe even the center hates him at this point and so he's got this impossible situation

01:04:24.220 to navigate and uh what is he doing to help himself well he's getting headlines like this

01:04:30.300 um this was yesterday worried about immigration starmer says you're racist and of course this is

01:04:36.460 the issue immigration that is the hot button issue of our time it is the thing that most of the electorate

01:04:42.380 are concerned about the most and by calling well he didn't explicitly say that he said reforms policies

01:04:49.960 were racist and immoral but it's also a policy that's very popular it's something that people

01:04:56.320 do actually want to remove the indefinite leave to remain and reverse the boris wave because of course

01:05:02.560 the boris wave is the most egregious wave of all because it's from the third world mostly it's

01:05:08.740 racist everyone say it with me is your racist nobody cares anymore you can call us racist all you like

01:05:16.180 it doesn't matter in fact i laugh when people say it to me now it's just like that word has no power

01:05:21.300 over me you can't do that anymore i care too much about my country you can call me racist all you like

01:05:25.560 it cheers me on if anything so i'm hearing you faced with the decision that i can either let my

01:05:30.020 children grow up in a third world cesspit or i can get called racist it's a pretty easy choice

01:05:35.720 actually isn't it difficult i'm not going to abandon my ancestral homeland because of that word

01:05:40.600 it's not happening it's not going to happen and this is this is a victory for the right really

01:05:44.440 because this was being used to shut down discourse and it's obvious from the very beginning that that's

01:05:48.880 how it was used because someone brings up a valid policy point they say that's racist and they say

01:05:52.320 and then it's all about i'm not racist and they're saying but you said this thing and it's all about

01:05:56.120 them being a racist or not rather than i have this policy proposal that could fix a problem

01:06:01.600 and that's not happening anymore which is good hands are now unbound the best thing is someone

01:06:07.680 calls you a racist that you just scoff and carry on with your arguments

01:06:10.360 why thank you for noticing yeah yeah so another thing that's happened is the flag movement and

01:06:17.920 although this not hasn't necessarily had any tangible policy improvements what it has done

01:06:24.160 is give people a sense that they're not alone and that actually there are lots of people out there

01:06:29.880 like-minded and seeing them pop up in your local area as millions of britons have

01:06:35.840 has been reassuring and makes people feel safer with that is a particularly i mean hats off to

01:06:41.860 whoever did that little stretch i know i picked this one out because it was the most impressive

01:06:45.780 yeah yeah you've got northern ireland scotland ireland wales you've got in fact you've got all of

01:06:50.380 them haven't you right there every single one of them i don't know why there's republic of ireland

01:06:53.840 there but you know yeah we are mates now it's fine that's the odd one out one of these things is

01:06:58.720 not like the others we still love you uh no city of london no thank goodness for that and uh this

01:07:06.860 sort of thing had lib dems waving flags and they were saying they're trying to uh be patriotic of

01:07:14.400 course these are the people who will wave eu flags over their own flags normally but the discourse has

01:07:19.460 moved so much that people who prefer the european union over their own country will wave our flag

01:07:25.320 if they think it will help them politically we control the discourse now basically is what

01:07:30.160 imagine where we can get these people in 10 years if we carry on forthright well what happens is now

01:07:35.300 the labor party are sort of dispelling the migrants and the boat people around the country these little

01:07:41.240 pleasant villages that vote lib dem because they've not changed for hundreds of years are slowly going

01:07:46.240 to have somali rapists creeping and it's going to be their neighborhoods and they're going to have a

01:07:51.080 little bit of a taste of their own medicine for what they voted on the rest of the country

01:07:54.800 and i do wonder how that's going to affect them because so many people people don't realize that

01:07:59.880 in lots of parts of britain people are isolated from the consequences of their voting and that's

01:08:05.540 slowly going to creep upon them and they're going to come to the realization okay well maybe there was a

01:08:12.260 point there so what you're saying is what this picture says is that the overton window is actually a

01:08:18.360 concept that exists yes and that um people can move the dialogue and the elites aren't completely

01:08:25.140 immovable well my opinion on this is that ultimately elites do call the shots and what

01:08:30.340 the masses think is um not of no consequence but they can go against that's it i'll take it i'll take

01:08:36.580 that yeah so i think that what it does is that by shifting the overton window the elites have to

01:08:43.200 masquerade as representing public opinion and i don't think they do but they have to play by those

01:08:48.920 rules and so by shifting it so out of their paradigm towards our own it makes their cost of operation

01:08:55.660 higher it makes making mistakes um more likely by the elites and it basically makes things more

01:09:02.240 difficult for them well that's what that image shows isn't it as you said those people wouldn't have

01:09:06.080 been flying the union flag a year ago they just wouldn't be so what we're effectively doing in

01:09:12.540 moving the discourse obviously it doesn't affect policy and it's frustrating and yeah it does yet

01:09:17.500 however what it is doing is making things much harder to to govern the state and also winning

01:09:25.760 over the populace isn't insignificant um if things get worse and worse if law and order breaks down

01:09:32.700 having a large faction of the british people native british people against your government

01:09:39.040 isn't a good thing objectively speaking you know there is an objective reality it's not all optics

01:09:45.120 there is brass tacks to get down to eventually cost of governance you're referring to yes exactly

01:09:49.960 and uh even this um here's a stand up to racism demo and they're calling themselves a huge crowd of

01:09:58.900 patriots standing up to racism and hate in newcastle they're calling themselves patriots that's

01:10:04.040 interesting so they see the utility in the language and even though patriot is sort of um more associated

01:10:10.400 with america in my mind you know i do think it's a funny word and i call people patriots as like a

01:10:16.760 sort of tongue-in-cheek thing we don't really use that that term do we you know you're proud of your

01:10:21.500 country um it's it's it's my stand in for well we've got i can't say comrade so i just say patriot

01:10:27.280 instead i just i just say britons true britons you know but you know i agree with the overall

01:10:34.800 sentiment that you know people who actually are truly patriotic not these stand up to racism people

01:10:39.300 are great but um it's interesting the socialist workers party types until two seconds ago hated

01:10:46.880 quote-unquote patriots and now they are patriots oh okay oh right yeah i believe that sure i remember

01:10:52.620 that do you remember that thing where it was angela merkel on stage with a whole bunch of her

01:10:56.300 senior ministers and like her her home secretary or something held up the german flag and she just

01:11:01.760 like turned around laser eyes snatched him off and threw it across the room well that's not going to

01:11:07.760 happen here anymore is it and uh one thing that i think is very promising because of course

01:11:12.720 um we can see that this is all plastic patriotism right it's not genuine they're putting it on to

01:11:19.240 try and win people over and one thing that is very reassuring is this so um as we touched on in dan's

01:11:26.700 segment previously um keir starmer announced the introduction of digital id and he was saying that

01:11:33.120 it's about um illegal migration and what pretty much everyone on the right and the left said is no it's

01:11:40.620 not you know everyone understands both you know people to the left of the labor party people to

01:11:46.300 the right of it we all got that you're talking nonsense no one believes you and so them adopting

01:11:52.760 this plastic patriotism isn't going to have an effect because people know what they're up to they

01:11:56.660 know that politicians lie to try and win elections and try and win popularity and so by them adopting

01:12:02.640 these things all they're doing is legitimizing them for us and they're not going to have the desired

01:12:07.860 political effects because as we saw keir starmer's the most unpopular prime minister do you think

01:12:12.240 he's trying to win an election maybe but it looks to me like he's just completely given up

01:12:18.800 he's throwing it a little bit he's just enacting everything he wants to and because he can't be

01:12:22.780 stopped until 29 yeah he may well be able to do that i i think he thinks that i'm definitely

01:12:30.100 definitely out at the next election so i'm just going to do all the weird left-wing shit that i

01:12:35.860 don't i wouldn't otherwise but he has also been flip-flopping a fair amount and this is the thing

01:12:39.780 that sort of complicates that because i would otherwise agree with you but then he had this

01:12:43.800 thing like yeah i understand why people want to mass deport people and he had this this brief period

01:12:48.200 of time where he's almost outflanking farage in rhetoric obviously don't believe him but

01:12:53.160 he was trying to court this opinion now he's gone leftwards again maybe he'll go rightwards again

01:12:59.260 and of course this this flip-flopping doesn't win him any favors and just makes him look weak

01:13:03.880 and cynical and he's electioneering but at the same time i think no one believes him anyway so it

01:13:12.100 doesn't really matter it's a good question though then because i oppose that as well it does feel

01:13:16.240 like starmer has abandoned any idea of getting re-elected that it almost feels like that who knows

01:13:23.660 if that's really the case in his own mind but it absolutely feels like he's not trying even to read

01:13:28.820 the room read the country um just forcing through the agenda it's still a really good deal i mean

01:13:34.680 you i would jump at it if we were told okay you could be for you could be prime minister with an

01:13:39.460 80 seat majority for four years or whatever the majority is for four years but then after that you

01:13:44.140 can't be it anymore it's like yeah we could get loads done in those four years yeah even if we're not

01:13:49.420 going to get elected again think of all the people i could deport oh millions um there's also

01:13:55.560 this um this is somewhat confusing and goes against this notion that keir starmer wants to

01:14:02.060 appeal to the technoglobalists and the left and doesn't care anymore he's just going to enact what

01:14:05.860 he wants um because his own home secretary was saying we will deport immigrants unless they earn

01:14:10.900 their right to be british which is still not far enough in my opinion but is at least trying to

01:14:15.880 court some sympathy isn't it it's all just uh complete bullshit though isn't it of course it's like when

01:14:22.320 david cameron came out years and years ago saying um multiculturalism has failed

01:14:28.060 great that's a nice uh soundbite that's a nice bit of red meat but you continue to just do the

01:14:34.400 multicultural thing harder if anything when he comes out and he says we'll get immigration down

01:14:38.780 to 10 000 didn't so that was just a complete liar it went reverse it skyrocketed in fact so they

01:14:44.660 could come out and say something like this that's all well and good and the credulous among us could say

01:14:49.120 oh that's that's good isn't it that's that's a piece of red meat but it's just it's just a lie

01:14:55.000 it's just a lie exactly what you're saying here is is my point is that no one is falling for this

01:14:59.960 anymore it's been you know politicians have been lying about immigration for so long that no one

01:15:04.440 takes them at their word but so you're saying that yes it's all a lie but they feel the need to

01:15:09.300 say it exactly right exactly because we have not we you know us three necessarily i'm sure we've

01:15:16.060 helped a little bit but the overton window in britain has shifted and now they've got to adopt

01:15:20.680 our rhetoric which means that it's going to be easier for us to supplant the current ruling elite

01:15:25.900 once there is a government in waiting assembled to supplant it this doesn't exist yet in my opinion

01:15:31.420 i don't think there's any clear successor um but and i think that reform um are much of the same

01:15:37.400 you know they're the teal tories aren't they that might be marginally better than them however it's

01:15:44.140 not going to go nearly far enough to actually address the problems it's still going to continue

01:15:47.720 just at a slower rate um i mean normal for large but still it would be a case of it's just a case of

01:15:54.000 well nate mr h reviews put it very well calling it uh an exercise in filibustering the governments for

01:16:02.760 years and years and years and years have just said we're going to do something about it we're going

01:16:06.720 to make immigrants do xyz jump through xyz hoops we're going to reduce it to whatever number any

01:16:12.520 small number and then they just don't so all of it is just an exercise in in filibustering just

01:16:18.480 wasting time whilst we're continuously invaded i would even put it as buying time even to allow

01:16:24.520 that to happen in the first place but there is good news um the majority of people in all regions

01:16:30.640 of britain support mass deportations i've not seen this that's good it's almost like it's inevitable

01:16:35.880 it is i agree yeah i wonder who called that early on it's alvarian bodade well done bo i always

01:16:43.960 believed in you um even scotland 60 percent um look at the northeast they're 72 percent my very own

01:16:50.940 southwest 70 east midlands 71 um i think if essex were its own self-contained thing it would be the

01:16:57.680 highest so well done bo um giving you all the credit for that the southeast is full of wishy

01:17:03.180 washy well 43 do you know why that might be it's because that's where the foreigners are isn't it of

01:17:08.520 course it is um i suppose they're coming through there don't they yeah um so even london 55.9

01:17:14.580 percent it's interesting isn't it that even in london there's a majority somehow it's the northeast

01:17:21.000 got the highest the maccums and taccums yeah super based so well done in the northeast

01:17:26.560 east midlands and the southwest i'm going to give myself a pat on the back for that one

01:17:30.160 uh that last one um i think essex deserves an honorary mention because i think the way the

01:17:35.140 borders have been drawn up there um it's been done out of its probably uh highest percentage i think

01:17:43.120 because that is the stronghold of deportations at the minute isn't it interesting that it's the

01:17:47.900 people displaced from london a lot of the time as well yeah i mean essex has got a long and

01:17:51.740 glorious tradition of rebelling very very long and very very glorious but it is um it is kent and

01:17:59.480 essex which get the brunt of the small boat people that's very true yeah and this is very surprising i

01:18:05.640 couldn't believe it when i saw it so support for illegal migrant mass deportation by 2024 vote

01:18:12.000 even a majority of liberal democrats slowly nudging over 50 percent want mass deportations of illegals now

01:18:19.060 labor obviously under 50 still about 45 other is mid 40s as well similar to labor obviously the

01:18:27.840 greens being the most left-wing is just under 30 but the fact that it's even approaching 30 and

01:18:33.520 is not zero for the greens is interesting isn't it that also i thought it was interesting that

01:18:39.360 conservative is higher than reform so i was going to say that is very interesting yeah

01:18:43.820 operation what do you think about clear them out we've got to clear them out

01:18:47.660 well i mean there's not many people who vote tory left these days did you see that poll that came

01:18:54.400 out there's only going to be 45 of them after yeah i think i figured it out it's it's all of the

01:18:59.200 really old people that don't follow politics but just hate foreigners and vote conservative by

01:19:04.180 default thinking that is this the the box i ticked to deport them all well yeah but i looked at

01:19:09.120 um what the 45 safest tory seats were so if they are reduced to 45 and it's a third englishman

01:19:16.860 it's a third the other lot you know welsh and oh oh i'm speaking like a god briefly

01:19:23.740 and bring it back samson i want that all the time it was a third the other lot like irish welsh

01:19:29.640 northern irish that is scottish all that kind of thing and it was a third like pakistani that that

01:19:35.000 and other they just want to go home they're on a free flight home yeah so so the conservative

01:19:39.080 party is going to be like a third pakistani after the next election it's very interesting that we

01:19:43.860 people throw a lot of shade at boomers for being the problem being libtards and things the thing is

01:19:50.200 when you find or women women shouldn't be allowed to vote or whatever or all immigrants are all of

01:19:56.380 them are just purely tribal for their own interest no but when you do find a based boomer a based woman

01:20:01.900 a based immigrant they're usually super based right it's more zeal than a convert that is

01:20:07.360 that is often the way yes also women shouldn't vote oh oh there's no need for that um some of our

01:20:15.100 audience are women they're lovely people yeah and and and that's exactly why so we can we can more

01:20:19.980 accurately look after them i'll stand by that okay i mean in dan's defense i don't think anyone

01:20:26.620 should vote anyway it's a waste of time but that's yes that's a good point let's have one lord

01:20:30.740 protector who rules by the sword yes don't threaten me with a good time though um i'm joking of course

01:20:36.740 um there's there's also this this was um i think back in april of this year um these are people

01:20:47.300 calling for the mass deportation of illegal migrants there are now 21 supporters in in parliament for this

01:20:54.660 of course previously there were very few oh andrew rosendale rumford um there's a few here there's

01:21:01.860 um traditional unionist conservatives independents uh it's mostly conservatives dup there um it's not

01:21:09.020 really surprising none of the pakistani conservative mps i see on this list no uh funnily enough they're

01:21:15.060 not turkeys voting for christmas um see james mcmurdoch are not all the reform mps on it no that's

01:21:20.620 interesting isn't it i think it was because it was tabled by rupert lowe right by this point an

01:21:26.240 independent so reform were a bit sour on him weren't they some of them except i think mcmurdoch i think

01:21:32.740 is the most sympathetic of the reform lot too low uh from literally started in in tower the other week

01:21:38.780 so there's that bit of a legend isn't he um and then we've got this um exclusive polling commission

01:21:46.160 for restore britain as part of our mass deportation campaign um here we go the majority of british

01:21:51.660 public supports deporting women and children who are in the uk illegally so even when it's framed in

01:21:56.140 that way a majority supports it i'll deport the children i'll deport the women obviously the

01:22:01.280 fighting age men we don't want to break up families no no i want to break up family or extended family

01:22:06.720 yeah and it's also um 50 support only 22.4 oppose and there's a decent portion that just say don't

01:22:15.380 know i don't know how you can't not know what you think a lot of people just watch tv and don't think

01:22:21.920 the npc vote is don't know i guess and uh there's also this i found this hilarious um this was a left

01:22:30.440 winger i think she was volunteering in a homeless shelter or something she says i'm in a homeless

01:22:35.400 shelter at the moment and most here are right wing they don't understand it's left-wing values that

01:22:39.980 give them this roof over their heads and it's also i will add left-wing values that probably put them

01:22:44.420 there in the first place because it's probably the homeless that understand that hey all these people

01:22:48.660 came in and supplanted us and uh if even the homeless people get it then maybe there's something

01:22:56.540 going on here left-wing values that's an oxymoron isn't it yeah i'm not sure what she means by that

01:23:02.640 what values yeah what values destroying your country the pursuit of power that value

01:23:07.000 they've got one value that one flooding your country with murderers and rapists is that a value

01:23:11.300 i don't know um there's also this and of course i'm not a big believer in public protests but what this

01:23:19.520 did show is that there's an outpouring of support for patriotic movements according to the bbc that's

01:23:25.560 30 000 people i i don't know about that it's also very difficult to head count i never know how

01:23:30.980 people even it's a hell of a lot more than 30 000 it looks a lot more than 30 000 in my opinion i think

01:23:35.860 that's probably closer to what 100 000 if not more maybe people were claiming it was like three million

01:23:42.120 people i don't know i i don't know how you can and that's not all of them because that carries on

01:23:46.760 off the pitch however it was one of the biggest rallies um i think there's been in a very long time

01:23:52.180 probably since the iraq war protests i think that was probably the largest in british history

01:23:57.040 um and you get old labor people here just saying it's normal i'll play this a little bit um this

01:24:06.020 is this is trevor phillips and he's always been a little bit more on the moderate end of labor but

01:24:11.260 he's a tony blair man and so this is basically the opposition having to begrudgingly admit that yeah

01:24:16.820 it's pretty normal most people have seen this i'm going to play it briefly i'm not going to play all of

01:24:20.780 it the most alarming aspect of the event was just how normal the vast majority of the marches were

01:24:26.480 i spent an hour or two amongst them and my own impression was that they were mostly the sort of

01:24:31.120 people you'd meet in a country pub or in half-time queue for the loo at football or at a concert

01:24:35.940 there was a sprinkling of black and brown faces and the event was brought to a close

01:24:40.560 by a gospel group singing jerusalem all that must worry the traditional mass parties labor and

01:24:48.280 conservatives now you get the idea less than yeah so the point being that even a labor man on sky news

01:24:57.040 is admitting that a bad man tommy robinson rally um was just normal full of normal people

01:25:04.780 you know although i don't think these rallies achieve much politically at least the optics of

01:25:11.080 having lots of people show that they're passionate and nothing bad really happens and people go on the

01:25:17.840 news and say yeah it's just normal people that is a victory five years ago that would have not

01:25:22.480 happened it's worth it to put the fear of god into the copies every so often that too that and also i

01:25:27.300 mean trevor phillips has always been until fairly recently sort of a multiculturalist globo homo type

01:25:33.520 leading the charge in that i think he's only just calculating that it's best for his career now in

01:25:38.840 media that he says something like that i don't need trevor phillips permission

01:25:43.640 to be allowed it doesn't matter whether there's a gospel when there's a few black faces in the crowd

01:25:49.280 so what trevor no i've heard oh trevor says it's all right is it i say it's all right

01:25:54.600 fuck off i'm very much in agreement but it does show how far things have gone that he feels the

01:26:01.240 need to save his own skin yeah saying these fair point no it's a fair point um and then here we've

01:26:07.280 got nigel saying um welfare will be for british citizens only this may well have been a reform

01:26:12.220 policy all along um but it's nice to see him stating it publicly um one thing that i have liked seeing

01:26:19.060 is end the boris wave because reform was was talking a lot about well let's reverse a legal

01:26:24.540 migration but a legal migration is like you know an egg cup of water in a you know a sinking ship

01:26:32.200 on the titanic right isn't is not really that big a deal compared to legal migration so seeing

01:26:38.100 the leading party in british politics talking about ending the boris wave which is the most

01:26:43.040 egregious wave of legal migration obviously i want you know lots and lots of people deported not just

01:26:49.600 the boris wave but it is a start towards mainstreaming mass deporting people who have

01:26:56.100 come here legally rather than illegally because the discourse has been stuck on illegal immigration

01:27:00.720 and that's not in many ways it's sort of like the trans debate in that it's a very small minority

01:27:05.960 and it gets a disproportionate amount of attention when actually most of the people that cause problems

01:27:11.060 in this country are here legally and they need to go the illegal thing was a distraction it was i will

01:27:17.040 just note though yeah that everything that nigel is saying now is the set of things that got you

01:27:23.880 and me thrown out of reform as candidates i had noticed that actually yeah i'd noticed that your

01:27:30.360 problem was that you're ahead of the curve yeah happened i think yeah absolutely oh so so what

01:27:36.520 you're basically suggesting is in six months time nigel will be like women voting no that's out

01:27:40.880 i don't think it'll go quite that far well it does see with them increasing in the polls that

01:27:47.760 the the discourse is changing whether you should believe reform and farage how whether they have

01:27:53.460 the political will to do it whether they are actually going to do it when they get to government

01:27:57.340 if they get to government is a different question i am skeptical personally um however it's still

01:28:04.340 better than nothing to see this sort of thing banded around and i don't want people to lose hope

01:28:09.260 because there's no need for that and i think that there is hope and um here you know nigel again

01:28:16.360 saying reform will deal with the boris wave the biggest betrayal of voters in modern times this

01:28:20.600 sounds like it would could have come out of the mouth from our very own bodade here in that article

01:28:25.020 that got you kicked out which was actually what i was going to get to after this so the fact that

01:28:29.580 he's saying things basically the same way as we would say them on this podcast is good um should you

01:28:36.940 believe him that's up to you um is it going to translate into electoral success who knows but

01:28:43.600 things are tipping in that direction it seems and people are not falling for people wearing this

01:28:49.260 rhetoric as a skin suit because people are aware that you actually have to have a track record and

01:28:53.420 be genuine about it this is all promising the future is ours it is a significant change from that

01:29:01.220 interview he did with uh old edgerton it's just impossible political politically impossible to

01:29:07.160 masterport illegals well and you know where this works right his advisors watch us and then feed

01:29:14.920 those lines to him like softly softly over a period of months and then he's like oh yeah that's actually

01:29:19.940 a good idea whispering in his ear it's inevitable say inevitable nige say that it's inevitable

01:29:26.360 next he'll be indistinguishable from steve law give it give it a few months

01:29:33.460 right we've probably got a bunch of comments haven't we that we haven't read out yet yeah can you

01:29:39.040 if i do it i'll get it wrong so i'll just move my laptop right that's not in the screen is it samson

01:29:44.340 i can't see otherwise at this angle um okay okay uh big driller 14 three out of four most base

01:29:54.340 load seaters bring harry on to complete the team oh well thank you um also bring steve laws on the

01:29:59.760 show well it's not up to me um but uh i do um chris steel says rather than comply with the online

01:30:08.200 safety act imager has chosen instead to block access from the uk this affects other sites which

01:30:14.040 use it to host images such as captures thanks to dean dorries that's interesting to be fair i hate

01:30:20.440 captures anyway even though i understand why they exist um lean uh mck i'm sorry if i've

01:30:30.260 mispronounced that um i wonder how many military vets and personnel will stand by their oath as they

01:30:35.040 swore to the british people and land from eminies both domestic and abroad not the crown and government

01:30:40.080 unlike the police well i don't know whether it'll actually come to that um well that might be all

01:30:49.040 of them i think okay uh tom rat says uh i keep telling you guys highline ism or fixes all of this

01:30:55.980 anti-racist but provides the moral basis for denial of votes to the unworthy uh by the way happen to

01:31:02.700 know um you have some friends in high places and some based mps of the uh conservative bent

01:31:08.220 highline ism that's interesting so it must be talking about starship troopers and of course yeah

01:31:13.900 service equals citizenship that sort of thing it's not a bad notion really i think that serving your

01:31:19.740 country if it's tied to that is you know you'd at least get people who are morally invested in it

01:31:24.580 rather than people who want to destroy it um busted uh brian says the rallies don't accomplish much

01:31:31.540 politically josh friend uh if the optics of the utk rally hadn't been huge farage would have never

01:31:38.240 fought the important issues popular enough to come round on well you don't necessarily know that that

01:31:43.400 was the the thing that made him change his mind um it's a very difficult thing to know what's um

01:31:48.660 in his head but it's possible yeah sorry the opposite of that issue said if it hadn't been huge well

01:31:54.760 it was huge though so it's a fair point he's making but it was huge so it did make and it

01:32:01.480 did make a difference so and i did sort of acknowledge that but but i do agree that generally

01:32:06.700 speaking unless you've got a very specific goal um the government and also the government is

01:32:11.540 sympathetic your rally is not going to achieve anything and so like you know doing something

01:32:16.440 that is in protest to the labor government tends not to give them an incentive to listen to you

01:32:20.800 unless it's overwhelming to the point where they're like oh you know we might be in danger if we ignore

01:32:25.800 the crowds so that's my opinion on these sorts of things that a lot of these protests tend not to do

01:32:31.660 very much i want to achieve results and i want people to think in those terms i'm not saying don't

01:32:36.820 care about politics i'm not saying don't do on the ground stuff i'm just saying think about is it going

01:32:42.260 to achieve anything um quite right mr white says josh whilst it is nice to see uh small wins paying

01:32:48.800 dividends should we not be wary of our own hubris and powers of an establishment to nudge situations

01:32:54.280 their way for example usa in 2020 in europe with afd of course we should and i think we're very good

01:33:01.240 at cautioning people against that you know don't count your chickens before they hatch that sort of

01:33:06.800 thing i think we're we generally speaking do emphasize that i might not have done it there

01:33:11.140 because i'm trying to raise people's morale a little bit but i think we're not close enough

01:33:16.220 to achieving any victories to get carried away yet i think that is very reasonable to have that

01:33:21.440 concern in mind though i do think the logic is flawed that sometimes uh populism or mass protest

01:33:27.060 don't work or often they don't work let's even say that most of the time they don't work so never ever

01:33:33.080 even try doesn't add up to me sometimes they have worked so i think you should should try everything

01:33:39.560 available to you to achieve success and evaluate your options after the fact and and pursue what is

01:33:46.340 the most successful whatever that strategy might be obviously within the bounds of morality and the

01:33:51.440 law i mean look at the poll tax riots look at the peasants revolt to 1381 they should have they should

01:33:58.020 have stuck to their guns but still yeah um do we have any video comments samson

01:34:02.960 all right okay apparently we're going to get some video comments tomorrow uh there was a bone saw

01:34:12.180 chap in the in the scrolling chat thing who said he ordered an island of four and hasn't got it well

01:34:17.160 um unless you just ordered a few days ago i mean our partner is normally pretty good the

01:34:21.640 the people that do the sending stuff but if you still don't get it contact um contact at lotusseaters.com

01:34:28.700 that's the one that's the one or colby at lotusseaters.com we have a colby do we yeah oh yes him yes okay

01:34:35.960 yes no he's he's in the little we've got like a little gaza a little side room is he is he in there

01:34:42.180 or is he in the main no he's in the main room is he yeah oh i should say hello at some point

01:34:46.140 right okay oh dear yeah right um uh sophie lives says uh yeah we already have a digital id in denmark

01:34:56.760 for years i legitimately can't buy anything over the web without the use of my id also foreign

01:35:02.460 sites such as itsy and amazon also to log into my bank see documents from the government such as

01:35:08.700 tax returns and library fines requests for medication my doctor and so forth my digital id

01:35:12.960 is required you actually can't live in this country if you don't have a smartphone we were

01:35:18.400 the test rabbits now they want to expand it to the rest of europe sorry well i don't blame you

01:35:23.820 um sophie uh is just the rest of you infernal gender and they're voting which is the problem

01:35:28.140 but um and no we don't blame you but obviously that is an example of why it's bad and what i'm

01:35:35.320 hearing is don't move to denmark got it but denmark's normally pretty good on lots of stuff

01:35:40.640 denmark looks lovely denmark looks lovely they're also really good on immigration in that they've got

01:35:45.140 some of the best data and they've got stricter laws than most places i can't i can't live there

01:35:49.740 or buy anything without their id well i'll pass then sorry denmark henry atman says the significant

01:35:59.080 part of digital id for me is the way the system incentivizes function and scope creeps or it'll

01:36:04.060 become ubiquitous then once it's ubiquitous it can become a problem in so many different ways it

01:36:09.300 can be weaponized by an unscrupulous government um the thing that i say to normies is what if big

01:36:15.660 nige gets in and has access to the system it could also become a treasure hoard to hackers

01:36:20.500 uh and there's some other good stuff so well done um you know uh russian garbage humans says

01:36:26.820 um they will just share the idea oh he's quoting me they will just share the idea well the leftist

01:36:31.020 counter-argument is to have fingerprints or data tied into it um so the more power or data is given

01:36:37.980 they'll definitely want to scan your iris and have fingerprints as well at some point

01:36:41.460 that'll make right they'll definitely want that yes basically you know very easy to solve at least

01:36:46.620 but at the same time it's very dystopian isn't it i don't want my iris to be on a government

01:36:51.580 database or my fingerprint next thing they'll have precogs and they'll think you're about to commit a

01:36:57.860 crime and come around for you early good reference there um dylan o'sheen says if they really want to

01:37:04.640 stop people hiring illegals put a minimum fine of 50 000 pounds per illegal worker and that includes

01:37:10.620 subcontractors to tackle the delivery um app like apps well the boycott's working because they

01:37:16.440 have to get rid of loads and i say carry on just cook your food at home don't use these food delivery

01:37:21.480 apps they're they're expensive you get it delivered to you by a potential rapist there's no reason to do

01:37:27.720 it that's the other thing is the the government the parliament can pass a bill but if the cps declined

01:37:33.960 to ever prosecute on that basis then what so you can make it a 50 000 pound fine but again the cps just

01:37:40.240 never ever fine anyone that that plays out as well doesn't it fines of a natives um on on the u.s

01:37:47.980 shutdown the lord inquisitor hector rex himself says uh beau the executive branch has what's called the

01:37:53.560 take care clause that allows the president to not spend money congress has allocated if he feels it's

01:37:59.080 not in the national interest trump has done it uh to the tune of over 10 billion so far and he should

01:38:04.920 keep doing it well yes 10 billion is not nearly enough it used to be in the trillions i just said

01:38:09.900 it's a drop in the ocean but it's a good point in the right direction yeah he makes a good point

01:38:14.320 but bill clinton had a budget surplus didn't he yes miss rat says i don't mind these short-term

01:38:19.640 shutdowns as they just show how uh the little people uh hang on just how little most people need the

01:38:25.780 federal government in their day-to-day lives it's an excellent demonstration of that and that's why

01:38:31.060 i like it nothing much changes um do you want to do any from um you and you of cumbrian kulak says

01:38:39.480 uh carlisle is the highest polling for remigration excluding great yarmouth which is of course great

01:38:45.140 yarmouth being rupert lowe's constituency isn't it yes yeah and uh omar awad says they're desperate to

01:38:51.300 represent our position because they are terrified enough people will realize there's an alternative to

01:38:55.600 red labor versus blue labor that's very true um i suppose we can end it there can't we we've

01:39:01.420 already overrun about 10 minutes yes before i insult anyone else probably probably best to end it there

01:39:06.560 so um oh yes um buy it if you want to buy it because you won't be able to buy it after today

01:39:14.240 because people who do want to buy it will abort it and then we will run out i just realized i forgot

01:39:18.560 to do that in mine oh well well yours might go out tomorrow so they're just already bad i'll just be

01:39:23.980 taunting them yeah yes they'd feel miserable uh with themselves so um it's cheerio for me

01:39:30.880 it's cheerio for them cheerio bye bye

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The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - September 30, 2025

The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1263

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