The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1270
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Rupert Lowe's plan for mass deportation of illegal immigrants has been released, and we're here to talk about it. We're joined by Josh, Josh and Harrison Pitt to discuss it, and to discuss why we need to restore Aristotle as our moral framework.
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Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the podcast of Lotus Caesars for, what
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And today we are going to be talking about Rupert Lowe announcing the plan for mass deportations,
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which is superb, how frankly it is absurd to not say that Birmingham has a problem with
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immigration and integration, and how Gaza is unfortunately our future, our technocratic
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I am joined by Ferris, Josh, and Harrison Pitt from lots of places, actually.
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We're just a policy fellow at Restore Britain, a fellow at the New Culture Forum, and as a
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contributing editor at the European Conservative.
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I co-authored it with Rupert and, of course, the other members of the Restore Britain team,
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the public-facing ones being mainly sort of Charlie Downs, Lewis Brackport, and Maria
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Bautel, made important contributions as well behind the scenes.
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But it's mainly an effort between Rupert and me co-authoring it.
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And so we're going to be talking about it because it was released today.
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Right, well, before we begin, at six o'clock this evening, there is a free webinar that
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you can come and join me and Stelius on, talking about why we need to restore Aristotle
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as our moral framework, and abandon the liberal framework, the moral framework, of liberalism
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Because I can't, I don't know whether you've noticed, but everything's a bit crap, isn't
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And everything's going a bit badly, and actually I think it's due to our entire moral compass
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Probably a link in the description, but if not, go to courses.loses.com, and join us at
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Anyway, right, so, Rupert Lowe tweeted out his policy for mass deportations.
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Now, this isn't just a document where they suggest, well, I would like, it's not a wish
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What this is, is a concrete plan on what a government would actually have to do if they wanted to
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And there's a reason that the Conservatives have done none of these things, because they
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But anyway, so what we'll do then is we'll look through it.
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But as you can see there, Rupert says, deporting every illegal immigrant within three years
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In fact, that's the Conservative estimate as well, isn't it?
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We'll see towards the end when we get to the roadmap, which is situated towards the end
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But we basically organise our understanding of how quickly it could be done and the scale
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And we break it down to three categories, as I recall.
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Conservative estimate, with a set of variables built into it.
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Realistic estimate, with a realistic set of variables built into it.
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And then a daring but plausible scenario with some daring but plausible set of variables
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Because it was estimated that it was between, what was it, 1.8 to 2 million illegals.
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And within three years or faster, that's quite an achievement.
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Particularly because, of course, the illegal migrants are harder to find than the legal ones,
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And so they're going to be concealing themselves.
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So if that can be the case, that's actually very, very promising.
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And yeah, it's obviously very, there's a bit of a data vacuum, because the government
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hasn't ordered the sort of modelling into the illegal migrant population that they should
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So we're a little bit in the dark about estimates.
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But we thought that we would, so I think it was the migrant, it was the Pew Research about
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in 2020, as long ago as 2020, think about how many people are coming across the channel
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every day of the week, particularly in summer, put it at around somewhere between 800,000
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But we thought that in order to sort of signal the ambition of our plan, that we would assume
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an illegal migrant population of somewhere between 1.8 and 2 million.
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I think that's honestly probably underselling it.
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But you may as well go for that, because that's the upper limit of their own estimates.
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So I thought we'd have a quick browse through this.
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So we'll skip the preamble, because of course we don't need to read the preamble.
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We'll get to the public opinion on it, I think.
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It might be worth having a quick look at the contents page, just a very brief glance
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so people can see the bits that they're interested in, to give a sense of the overview, because
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One is legal obstacles to mass deportations, as you can see, that's part one.
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And two is the practical logistics of mass deportations.
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And that section, crucially, is split into two other parts, voluntary returns and involuntary
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Well, we'll stay here just so I don't have to keep flicking through.
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But I noticed on page 15 of the introduction, you put polling that suggests that, in fact,
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everyone agrees that this is the case by a huge number.
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Yeah, we have Charlie Downs to thank for a lot, but these graphics among them, very stark.
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So 52.7% of voters would be more likely to support their MP if they backed mass deportations,
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compared to just 17.8% who would be less likely.
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That's ridiculous, considering only a third white British.
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It might be partly a function of the AeroTrain's wanting the Somalis gone and the Somalis wanting
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Ah, well, diversity is our strength, after all.
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And the national support for mass deportations by region, I think, is a wonderful seat.
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Scotland on 60%, disappointing, but at least there's still a majority.
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The North East, though, they are the most base people in the country, 72.6%.
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It's very important when you commission these polls.
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This is why I don't always trust YouGov's estimates on these things.
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You need to give people, like, most people are sensible.
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Most people, they have very strong intuitions, but they're not necessarily filled in on all
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of the relevant minutiae of our illegal immigration catastrophe, as we call it in this paper,
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or, indeed, the legal immigration catastrophe, which, as I say at the beginning, is much greater
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If you give, I think, before you ask people any questions about immigration, you should
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give them accurate, like, the most accurate up-to-date data on the numbers and the date
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by which the host population will be a minority in our country.
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Eric Halpern's research, it's in his book, White Shift, shows that when you mentioned
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the demographic cliff edge of the process of replacement migration is taking us to,
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people's restrictionism doubles, roughly doubles.
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So it's important that people know what they're answering.
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But this is because the average person thinks that immigration into this country is something
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And it's like, no, it's 700,000 a year, mostly legal.
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So that is the spread when people are somewhat under-informed, God bless them.
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Imagine when they find out that it's 10 times worse than they realize.
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Well, they're basing their opinions off of media coverage, which is largely about illegals
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Which we view as part of our function at RestoreBritish, and indeed you view it the same
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way too, New Culture Forum as well, to try and engage in a sort of gentle campaign of
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public education, not just meeting the public where they are, but trying to tell them what
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Yes, I mean, people genuinely do not understand the scale of the problem.
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And that is due to the media, more frankly, avoiding giving them accurate information.
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They could publicize this information anytime they want it, and they don't.
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I saw the most UK thing today on my way to work.
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It was two West African men escorting a boy, clearly of Asian descent, heavily disabled.
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One would guess the cause of the disability would be extreme inbreeding.
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And you kind of ask yourself, is this Britain's problem?
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Anyway, so let's begin with part one, the legal obstacles to mass deportations.
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Because, of course, there are many legal obstacles to mass deportations.
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And so what I like about this is just comprehensively, these are the acts that are currently inhibiting
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our ability to just get rid of people that we don't want here and who shouldn't be here.
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The first one being the Immigration and Asylum Act of 1999, thank you, Mr. Blair, which repeal
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the ability for asylum seekers and the dependents to request basically unlimited support from
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I recommend that people look in detail at the relevant sections, which I do give in detail.
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Obviously, I've not memorized them off the top of my head.
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We describe this as an important but non-exhaustive list.
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So we don't rule out others being relevant to, particularly ones that are mentioned in
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the UN Refugee Convention, because a lot of that is interweaved into our law already.
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Everyone knows that the Human Rights Act is interweaved into our law.
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These are relevant areas too, but they're addressed slightly later.
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But we also know, I know through the grapevine, that there are other institutions friendly
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to restore Britain, kindred spirits, as it were, who are compiling a much more comprehensive
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So I didn't see the point in duplication of efforts.
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So the Nationality, Immigration and Asylum Act from 2002, again, thank you, Tony Blair,
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repeal Part 2 and Part 5 of these things, in which we are compelled to provide housing
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for the asylum seekers and accommodation centres, and make sure that we respect their protection
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Well, it's basically the seeds of the whole, as I recall.
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It might be worth scrolling down to them individually, actually, just so that I can make sure that
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I'm getting them right, because it can be a bit squirrely.
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Anyway, as I recall, this is the sort of setting in motion, the whole kind of very exacting
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tribunals process, that enables people to apply for injunctions and all the rest of
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So just getting rid of all of that bureaucratic processing and making things cleaner.
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Part 5, which sets out Britain's Immigration Tribunal provisions, including in respect
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So if you go to 14, then you can just look up the parts and the sections and all the rest
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Okay, the next one is the UK Borders Act of 2007.
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Now, a repeal section 33 that overrides automatic deportation for foreign criminals, whether removal
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would breach a person's convention rights or the United Kingdom's obligations under the
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So when someone has done something terrible and we find the judge is like, oh, they can
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stay for an infinite amount of time and you're going to pay for the privilege.
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And that's rooted in a decision that I believe was made in 1997, which I also cite later on,
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And the wording of it is absolutely extraordinary.
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It says something along the lines of the behavior, however monstrous the behavior of the criminal
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So it completely removes any sort of countervailing interest to the human rights of that deportee
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In other words, being removed to either a third country or their home country in which
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they would face a plausible risk of being mistreated.
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So basically, it is the duty of the British to protect anybody who is a criminal against
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British people because that person might be able to claim that his rights would be violated.
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I mean, I think philosophically, the issue here is what are rights and where do they come
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I've written briefly about this, but the idea is that you are born into a web of obligations
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to the people around you, first and foremost, because they are the ones who enable you to
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These obligations must be delineated because the idea that you owe protection to any criminal
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who comes from Vietnam or Zimbabwe or Brazil is simply an absurdity.
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But that ruling, the Shahal one that you mentioned, sort of inverts that completely and says that
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it is the duty of Britain to be the guardian of human rights of the most criminal people
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in the world, so long as they commit their crimes in Britain.
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And a really important analogy here that I think I use at some point.
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If someone were to break into you, we don't really believe in that sort of telescopic altruism
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So if someone were to break into my home at four in the morning and just kind of squat
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in my living room, let alone start stabbing members of my family, it wouldn't be considered
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intuitively a very good Trump factor on my right to remove that person from my home that
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it's cold outside and they might have nowhere to live and they might die during the evening.
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And similarly, Britain cannot reasonably be expected to discharge the duty of making sure
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that nothing bad happens anywhere in the world ever.
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Because of these rules, though, there are cases where, I remember one a few years ago,
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a burglar broke into someone's house, fell through a table or something, broke his leg,
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and then sued the person whose house he was breaking into.
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And honestly, it just ruined my day reading it.
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But you're absolutely right about the issue with the morality involved, actually, with
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And this is actually what we're covering in the webinar this afternoon, actually.
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Because, as you pointed out, the liberal concept of rights is irrespective of character.
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It does not matter what the person is like, what the person has done.
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Because a universal human right applies in the liberal framework to all people in all times
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and all places, regardless of any contingent factors.
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It is, in fact, bringing about the destruction of the country.
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But also, we are giving privileges to criminals and to evildoers.
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Anyway, so the UK Borders Act, we need to get rid of that particular section.
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And a lot of that is covered by Section 2 and Section 3, which deal, respectively,
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with ECHR and the UN Refugee Convention, which that act simply refers to.
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Then you have the 2009 Borders and Citizenship and Immigration Act.
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So, Section 55 of this forces the Home Office to consider the best interest of the dependents of immigrants
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So, you remember the chicken nugget Albanian lad?
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Well, thank God the British government are going to take that into consideration when I get deported for being a criminal.
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More than the sort of absurdity of the cases, this is the basis for infinite legal migration on that basis.
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As in, it's in his best interest to have a family life.
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Of course, it's in everybody's interest to have a family life, which means that once somebody breaks in,
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they can then trigger a chain migration that allows everybody in their family to come in.
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And I know of cases, sort of Syrians who were in Lebanon, who then left to Europe,
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who send a child with a family member so that that child can be an anchor for reunification claims,
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family reunification claims, based on precisely that sort of reasoning.
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There was a particular case of a Pakistani paedophile who was due to be deported,
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but because it would have violated basically his access to his own children,
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this Pakistani paedophile couldn't be deported, which I'm sure really helped his children.
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It's known pretty much worldwide at this point, and they're exploited,
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and of course, it's not Britain's problem to reunite families who are moving for economic reasons
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when they could be perfectly united in their home country.
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It might be worth saying very quickly, like, this is a good, so,
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so, there's been a lot of talk, and Starkey has, of course, mainstreamed this in the main,
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Dr. David Starkey, the idea of a great repeal bill.
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And, of course, as you can tell, it's not as if we're reluctant to repeal legislation.
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It's very important that we do repeal legislation, often in full, often in part.
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My concern here was more that, our concern here was more that the Equality Act might be used,
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because technically, set provisions are made for exceptions to be made.
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If you're dealing with immigration enforcement, you can actually discriminate on the basis of nationality.
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But the problem is that when you have an activist judiciary, they will basically seize on any little bit of legal writ they've got,
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and employing their living instrument doctrine, expand upon it, and extrapolate from it in order to come to decisions that they like.
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But it's not enough, which is why in the judicial section, which I think is section six of part one on reforming the judiciary,
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We push for a novel idea, something called a Great Clarification Act,
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which I think, in combination with a great repeal bill of some kind,
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would deal a pretty deadly blow to the possibility of judicial activism.
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And maybe we'll get to that later, but it's important to say here.
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But the Equality Act itself, you are absolutely correct, it just has to go,
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because it prohibits discrimination on the basis of nationality,
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which is the point of any kind of border control in the first place.
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Exactly. It's the point of having a state and having any kind of border control.
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And also, it's just horrific legislation that is the source of making British people second-class citizens in their own country.
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So then you have the Illegal Immigration Act of 2023, amend certain parts of section 12.
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What I like about this is it's not excessively heavy-handed, right?
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Because one critique that someone who didn't agree with you might come back with and say,
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well, a lot of what's in these is actually reasonably good, and we should keep them.
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And so if you were just going to charge in like a bull in a Chinese shop,
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say, repeal, repeal, repeal, they would have you on the hook.
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But actually, you've been a lot more surgical than that, which is actually really good.
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So this is amending certain parts of section 12,
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which sought to overturn two of the four so-called hard-will-sing principles
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while putting the other two on statutory footing.
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It gives a neat little summary to people on what these principles are.
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It's the one just down, the four limbs of hard-will-sing.
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So these are the sort of four principles that in English common law
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govern the sort of length of detention and all that sort of thing.
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And the Conservative Party in 2023 were trying to limit the application of these things
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because in British law, despite the fact that we're very proud of common law,
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That is a key principle of parliamentary sovereignty.
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That is to say, it overrules it for people who don't know what abrogate means in the legal context.
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But the Conservatives, what they did is they tried to disapply two of the provisions,
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I actually forget which ones, while putting the others two on a statutory footing.
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And when Reform published their report, Operation Restoring Justice,
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we would create new detention powers that don't make reference to hard-will-sing principles.
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If you've still got some hard-will-sing principles on the books,
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you won't be able to create those detention powers.
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So they should have mentioned that they need to get rid of that little bit of legislation
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So moving on, we will come to the UN Refugee Convention.
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I recommend going to the bottom for that, just like in the conclusion.
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So the UN Refugee Convention governs, in short,
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whereas people are constantly complaining about the operation of the ECHR and the HRA
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in making it very, very difficult to get rid of people.
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The UN Refugee Convention forces us to take their entry seriously.
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Now, how about you, if you go to the Dominic Cummings section.
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He loves to preface his blog posts with fancy, fancy.
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Yeah, so I went through the boats in great detail in 2020
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with both A, the military, and B, the best lawyers inside and outside government.
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Operationally stopping the boats is very simple and could be done in days.
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But cabinet office legal advice endorsed by external experts
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is that the PM cannot do the simple thing lawfully
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because the courts will stop him using the HRA and the ECHR.
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Look who happens to agree with Dominic Cummings.
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Josh, would you do us the honours of reading from Unfortunately Downwards?
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Unfortunately, it was completely unrealistic in the late 20th century.
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Disproving them, however, was almost impossible.
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The combination of the courts with their liberal instincts,
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the European Convention on Human Rights with its absolutist attitude
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to the prospect of returning someone to an unsafe community,
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and the UN Convention of Refugees with its context firmly that of the 1930s
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Convention of, oh no, the 1930s Germany, sorry,
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meant that in practice, once someone got into Britain and claimed asylum,
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Yeah, so clearly Dominic Cummings and Tony Blair are at one on that point,
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which is interesting, like probably an unwise moment of candour
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So what the UNRC does, it basically lies at the root of our asylum system
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Yeah, so basically we should, our view is that we should repeal all reference
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to its rules and principles in our domestic legislation.
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Again, being a signatory to it doesn't really matter that much.
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It's only insofar as it is incorporated into our own law,
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which it has been by a number of statutes, that it operates,
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it assumes legal force, active legal force within Britain.
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Reformers just suggested disapplying them for five years.
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And we need to move to a new status quo for the 21st century.
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And as I say there, then what we should replace it with, in positive terms,
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then it should be specified in our law that persons seeking asylum from anywhere
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other than Ireland, France, Belgium, the Netherlands, Germany, Denmark, Norway, or Iceland,
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all of which neighbor us to varying degrees will have their claims automatically dismissed.
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In other words, there won't be this sort of farcical idea that they should be taken seriously,
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which the UN Refugee Convention context assumes that people are seeking asylum in good faith.
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They're passing through multiple safe countries.
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There's very little in the way of assurances that allow host countries
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And given that under Schedule 3 of the Asylum and Immigration Treatment of Claimants,
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et cetera, Act 2004, all of these countries are already listed as safe,
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anyone who came from them, so long as they weren't claiming,
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they would have to claim that they were seeking asylum from one of those countries.
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And given that they're all listed as safe in our own law.
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So they have to claim that the French government is trying to kill them.
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So Medellin Le Pen might qualify, but everybody else did not.
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The problem with the UN Convention on Refugees, anyway,
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is it's written in a different time, in a different era,
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But it also carries that kind of 20th century liberal romanticism.
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Oh, we can create a universal rule for all times and all places.
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It's like, no, actually, you weren't expecting millions of third worlders
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and come over and break into our country on boats.
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And if that was happening in your day, you would never have agreed to this.
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All it took was basically the modernization of cheap air travel in the 1970s
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to poke a massive hole through that and make it completely redundant.
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This was always one of the great points that Scruton made,
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Where it gets really funny, as far as I'm concerned,
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is in the idea of this being a living document.
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it should factor in the changing circumstances.
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So they apply the living document doctrine only...
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and as far as it suits their own liberal biases.
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well, this was written for a situation in the 1930s
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Therefore, the world has changed and the Germans aren't doing them.
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It always leans towards their favored presumptions.
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say that we should be thinking about moving towards a new model
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And this is an idea that we actually got from Rafe Heidel-Lancoux
00:25:46.660
The idea that there should be a new status quo globally,
00:25:51.660
which says, look, if you're applying asylum for asylum,
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you should seek it in your continent of origin.
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because there tends to be more cultural proximity
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It gives third world leaders a very serious incentive
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to look out for the regional stability of their region
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And third, weirdly, and you'll agree with this,
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because the West is the hub of research and innovation.
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If the West went under, the rest would suffer too.
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and the more it will look like a godforsaken slum,
00:26:39.180
So there are three important reasons to push for that.
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Again, the appeal to these kind of abstract universal laws
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because it undermines the agency of the Western countries
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I'm the one with the executive power of the country.
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we should essentially not have any rules for this.
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I'm completely in favour of us taking the Ukrainian refugees
00:27:19.160
And we consider Ukraine part of the West's realm of interest.
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And it was women and children, actual refugees.
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So, it might be worth moving on to other sections.
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that the Conservatives are currently saying at the moment.
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Or what I liked about this, selective disobedience.
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Which has been proposed as a more simple course
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in which we could resolve the Northern Ireland problem
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and ways which would be contingent upon full withdrawal.
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and, indeed, the Trade and Cooperation Agreement,
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Let's go to the Great Clarification Act, I think.
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like, expending all of the political capital necessary
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and the UK-EU Trade and Cooperation Agreement problem,
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is probably a simpler way of going about things.
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Another government might provide them with tools.
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and they'll employ the living instrument doctrine
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for israel and this is from larry ellison saying
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putting people in touch with tony blair and now
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you've forgotten tony blair used to be the uh and
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committee by the eu the un russia and the united
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the palestinians at the same time tony blair was
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because not only tony blair is still advocating
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so there's a palestinian authority which is now
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doesn't control the issuance of ids it's the israelis who control them
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which will link up to all of their biometric data
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and which will then be presumably fed to the cloud at oracle
01:10:10.440
and which will probably be paired by what palantir has to offer
01:10:19.720
and your health status and and and all of those together
01:10:29.560
and in case you're wondering what are some of the implications of that
01:10:32.440
um for the palestinians the israelis were using ai to exceptional effect
01:10:37.480
to identify anybody tangentially linked to hamas
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and they're bombing their houses in the first days of the war
01:10:44.280
so the first days of the israel-gaza war the casualties among the palestinian
01:10:49.560
because they had a piece of software that they called
01:10:53.240
uh where's daddy or is daddy home which i can't remember what a sinister name for
01:10:57.800
it's a horror yes which worked on identifying when male members of hamas were back home
01:11:05.480
and then bombing that home and it could be in a building with 50 other people
01:11:11.560
inside of it who had absolutely no relationship to the guy
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but the israelis were happy with that casualties
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now we don't expect to get bombed in the united kingdom
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but you can most certainly expect the police to show up at your door
01:11:27.640
that if there are digital ids that tie together
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all of your interactions on health interactions on education interactions
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like your school records as well as your current health status
01:11:40.680
as well as i don't know and interactions with the police
01:11:44.360
as well as any kind of tax payment or or whatever
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as well as your social media will be part of one system
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allowing the state to control every movement you make and to police every movement you make
01:12:01.640
as larry ellison says aware of it to be completely aware of it yeah
01:12:15.640
where you are under permanent surveillance everywhere
01:12:18.760
and if it works in an environment as challenging as gaza
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that will then be used by the state as a proof of concept
01:12:27.000
to say that if it can work in gaza it could work anywhere else
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and it must apply to you in the united kingdom or france or the united states
01:12:36.120
or any other part of the world it's a very quick question for us um that israeli id card
01:12:41.480
is that only for the subordinate populations in the palestinian territories or do israeli citizens
01:12:46.520
also come under that law so jewish citizens also have to have an id card okay the state is much
01:12:53.240
less severe towards them because it's a openly ethno-nationalist state yep uh proudly so yep
01:12:59.800
um well to well to to counter that is considered genocidal so it's not to to to to say that it
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shouldn't be is considered genocidal yes in their case weirdly not in ours but interesting yes anyway
01:13:10.280
yes that's that that's a longer conversation that should definitely be had um
01:13:14.680
um but basically they were using this kind of approach to gain total control and they will be
01:13:23.400
doubling down on this in gaza using these technology companies and tony blair has pretty
01:13:29.640
excellent relationship with all of these technology companies um so there's the tony blair website that i
01:13:36.200
that i had which never mind um but anyway what was be what you will find if you go to the tony blair
01:13:42.200
website is an invitation for any tech companies and any third world government to come and talk to him
01:13:48.680
so that he could implement the oracle technology and put all of the data of that country on the cloud
01:13:54.760
and then that gets used to manage all aspects of life and it's really important that tony blair was
01:14:01.480
constantly getting paid by the uae because the most efficient managers of diversity in the world are the
01:14:09.800
uae and they do so with a comprehensive police state when you go into the uae your cell phone is under
01:14:17.240
surveillance your movement is under surveillance everything that you do is perfectly seen at all
01:14:24.120
times by the state to the extent that in 2012 when the israelis executed a hit against one of one hamas
01:14:31.160
the uae is a mass financier um it took the uae 24 hours to identify each and every single member of a
01:14:40.040
34-man team israeli man and woman israeli hit team along with their passports when they entered which
01:14:47.640
flights were they on and when did they leave because the surveying system is so comprehensive
01:14:54.040
the fact that they have always had tony blair on their payroll and the fact that tony blair is still
01:14:59.960
pushing digital ids in the united kingdom is extremely relevant because the people who pay him implement
01:15:07.560
these kinds of comprehensive surveillance states and the people who pick in the uae and the people who
01:15:13.080
pay him out of oracle explicitly say that they're trying to build the same system everywhere else what
01:15:22.200
i think is actually going on here is tony blair is almost doing a little pilot study of the natural next
01:15:27.720
step um with the palestinian people for his techno-globalist elite faction yes seems like
01:15:34.280
what is going on here yes very clearly in fact it's not not even slightly concealed and the fact that
01:15:39.640
larry ellison i've heard objections to this people say well look the nhs has got a lot of your data
01:15:44.280
what's the problem so well the nhs doesn't have the authority to arrest me precisely yeah i don't
01:15:48.840
just have the authority to kill me yeah well no it doesn't even have that actually it does that back
01:15:53.240
it's being scrutinized in the law yeah yeah that's currently going through the law just nearly there
01:15:56.920
i was only being facetious i know but but that's the point like people don't understand like the
01:16:00.520
civil liberty argument is actually very pertinent in an era of such hyper politicization yes if it's
01:16:06.200
this easy for the government to arrest 12 000 people a year first tweets then having an ai that scrapes
01:16:12.280
all of the data that is available on you centralizes it in the state and then can do whatever it wants with
01:16:19.160
that information is actually terrifying yes why would we want this and the answer is of course
01:16:25.640
we don't want this they want this because what this does i mean what does this do for them it makes
01:16:30.200
the model of governance that they've been trying to build all the more easy like this is the final
01:16:34.280
capstone on the pyramid yes that they are trying to build here and okay yeah they'll have a a great
01:16:39.640
panopticon of technology that tells them everything about the civilization so they can manage it as if this
01:16:45.000
was a game of sim city or something yes but i don't want to live in that actually yes it's entirely
01:16:50.680
anti-democratic as well because it discourages people from engaging in the political system
01:16:55.320
what would be the point of democracy yeah well there's everything is administered well the uae is
01:16:59.480
a model here that any slight descent in the uae even if you're a native of the uae you end up in jail
01:17:07.640
straight to jail no discussion so the fact that the paymasters of tony blair believe in this kind
01:17:14.440
of stuff the fact that his son i think is involved in the brit id scheme and the fact that starmer is
01:17:20.120
pushing this uh and now they're going to test it out in gaza where we know that blair is very well
01:17:26.840
connected to all of the social media companies he's very big on ai regulation and the need for ai
01:17:31.880
regulation he's very big on this kind of global control system and it can track everything from your
01:17:39.400
carbon footprint to the car that you drive to how much uh energy you consume in your home any spending
01:17:45.480
you do any in any spending can be interceded against any spending can be interceded action you know
01:17:51.000
you've exceeded your meat limit for the week uh the chinese looks like freedom loving americans in
01:17:57.160
comparison doesn't it exactly ccp doesn't seem so bad exactly and then that obviously gets linked to
01:18:03.000
your credit score and to your employment status and to your benefits and to everything that you do so it's
01:18:09.080
a mechanism for total control and tony blair has just been given a proving ground for it
01:18:14.440
this is the important part so gaza is your future if he builds this panopticon in gaza
01:18:21.640
he will then come and say to the british government and to the french and to the americans and
01:18:26.520
the eu loves tony blair oh yeah everybody in every eurocrat is in love with tony blair well this is
01:18:31.880
the system that they're a part of they they for for the globalist liberal politics is actually
01:18:38.200
difficult and dangerous right it involves risk yes and the entire philosophy they have to protect
01:18:43.560
human rights means risk minimization yes and so what they're doing is trying to take transcend the
01:18:48.920
notion of politics as we understand it and reduce everything to mere administration yes and so that and
01:18:55.080
anyone who doesn't fit into this new order will be problematized stigmatized and eventually
01:19:01.720
made to conform to the system you've expressed enough toxic nationalism sorry
01:19:07.880
it's been recorded through palantir connecting to your social media now you're whatever right to
01:19:14.360
drive a car is going to be revoked um that's what we're working what would you do exactly what are your
01:19:20.840
options so shall we move to the yeah can i have the mask yes let's get to the video comments samson
01:19:30.600
so awful and it's just happening it's building itself in our vision yes you know so this is just
01:19:35.400
being allowed to happen i'm starting to think that our um dystopian fiction writers lacked vision to be
01:19:40.920
honest yes i think a bit of clarion she had is in order the the the problem the problem they had is
01:19:45.720
they couldn't foresee ai that's true yeah they you know they no one knew that it'd become so
01:19:50.760
powerful so quickly being said stanley kubrick 1966 he had a pretty convincing depiction of it
01:19:56.920
also what's his name who wrote i robot asimov yeah he did actually predict it uh okay let's go to the
01:20:20.840
a guy can dream right a while ago i figured out how to position all the leg motors for my power armor
01:20:27.880
and now i just got the program working to actually control them
01:20:35.000
it's a long-term project that's been engaged all right he's a regular is he yeah let's get the next one
01:20:42.920
yeah so while we're all worried about starma saying you simply will not be able to work if you
01:20:47.880
do not have a digital id the sticky sausage has only gone and passed legislation that if you're a director
01:20:53.960
of a company you have to go and identify yourself to company's house next month and to do that you
01:20:59.480
create a one login account and provide your biometric id through their app thankfully there is a work
01:21:05.640
around for now but it's an awful lot like a digital id yeah i mean you you've always had to
01:21:12.200
provide your identifying identity to company's house to register a business but uh to make it
01:21:17.480
biometric id well if if you're an immigrant you automatically get a biometric id do you uh yes you
01:21:23.240
automatically get a biometric id and the benefit from the state's perspective of having more
01:21:30.200
immigration is that all of the new citizens will already have a biometric id and that will make
01:21:39.320
digital ids a lot smoother so the they're they are thinking about this in a nefarious way it's not
01:21:46.120
just conspiracy theories guys no no i mean is it a conspiracy they're literally there's that john tron
01:21:51.720
clip it's like yeah what made you believe this well they started saying it in front of cameras
01:21:54.920
yes he just plays the clip well it's like larry ellison they're just saying in front of cameras
01:21:58.680
everybody will behave better because they're under constant surveillance yeah i wonder what he means
01:22:02.520
by that yeah yeah you conspiracy theorist if a bond villain said that in a film i'd feel like that's
01:22:08.600
poor writing they're not outright on the nose exactly yeah um anyway michael gammon says land is only
01:22:15.160
yours if you can hold and defend it that's true logan says uh comrade carl remember to trust the plan but
01:22:20.120
always chimp uh also when we win can we also deport ship libs too uh well that would be exile
01:22:25.320
uh but yes uh fc says i joined ice today let's go boys bro you sent us a two dollar super chat with
01:22:31.080
that fifty dollars fifty thousand dollar signing bonus not on round up illegal immigrants for us please
01:22:37.480
um super mastermind says uh carl moved to colonial williamsburg the royal palace is untouched in 300
01:22:44.200
years you will have more rights claim political asylum get a 300 year old wardrobe fit in i'm never going i'm
01:22:49.800
never i don't care how bad it gets i'm staying um because i'm too lazy to move
01:22:57.240
and uh scott says they're trying to build a digital tower of babel and we all know how that ends yes
01:23:02.600
yeah i mean the the problem is is that they could build a system that lasts for generations right it
01:23:07.400
will eventually and even if it doesn't what kind of world do you think they're going to end up with
01:23:12.600
like i really don't want to live in that kind of environment like the very nature of it is
01:23:18.040
horrific yes honestly why why people aren't thinking about this morris don't know um say
01:23:24.360
what you like about furor benjamin but he did make the segments run on time i bloody didn't
01:23:29.240
that's why sorry we've been really slack on the comments today because i really
01:23:33.240
i'm not a very good nazi dictator uh from the website james says uh brilliant work from the
01:23:38.760
restore team that's proving low correct that forming a movement and not party is important
01:23:42.760
success i sincerely hope this is highlighted to both reform and tories so we can unify the approach
01:23:48.360
uh well i mean really it's the uh reform at this point isn't it hopefully but there's no reason they
01:23:54.040
wouldn't take this on board other than well we'd be happy for them to lift our ideas we don't need that
01:23:59.000
even need attribution it's just that we're trying to just change the conversation and put some meat
01:24:03.400
on the policy bone and as i like to say we i don't we don't particularly care who restores britain
01:24:07.240
so long as someone does although of course we're we're staying in the fight ourselves as well
01:24:10.920
yep if reform uk are to be taken seriously they have to form policy around this report
01:24:15.160
it is far too concise and important not to well i don't know about concise
01:24:21.400
but it is it is precise and detailed yes that's right i agree with you russian says
01:24:27.480
over 100 pages of how we've been betrayed over three decades fairly readable to a layman too
01:24:31.960
i recommend you do lots of sound bites quotable legislation in there you can use the arguments
01:24:35.880
against the left uh yes jimbo says a manifesto is missing one key thing they must pay for their
01:24:41.480
own flights unfortunately that's not going to happen we're going to be paying for everything
01:24:44.680
obviously but we'll still be cheap but we would be making money this is another thing we have a
01:24:48.040
costings section as well uh we believe that the costs of keeping them here the costs of removing
01:24:54.200
them would be offset by the long-term costs of keeping them here yes so we're already spending
01:24:58.440
money it's a question of how much billions we already know it's costing us billions yeah and
01:25:02.520
it's an indefinite payment rather this would be a one-off payment yeah because it would deter future
01:25:06.600
break-ins yes arizona deserat says the head of us border patrol is a great solution for the whole
01:25:12.120
separating families problem dot port the whole family yes indeed yeah that was uh one of tom homan's
01:25:17.000
best moments in my opinion yes uh henry says this is a very good plan from restore not least because
01:25:21.800
isa layman can follow along with the wording of the document it's not thousands of pages of legal
01:25:26.040
ease which would be completely incomprehensible to the plebs which is how the establishment
01:25:29.480
bureaucrats hide their plans from the voting public whilst restore aren't a party they are showing
01:25:33.480
parties how policies should be done imagine if any every manifesto pledge came with and here's how
01:25:37.960
we'll do it document alongside it yeah this this is this is one of the things that farage and reform
01:25:43.560
really have to get a handle on the idea that they are so far ahead in the polls and have zero policies
01:25:49.560
to show for it um sorry what are you going to do got a very brief anecdote when i when i was working
01:25:54.920
i've been working on this for a while we've been working on this for a while when i learned that
01:25:58.920
reform had published their um version of mass deportations like operation restoring justice
01:26:04.440
i got i got that headline i thought oh my god that's my day gone i've got to read this report
01:26:08.200
it's five pages so it only took me about an hour um because i read it in detail and criticized it so you
01:26:13.080
know it's important that you put flesh on the bone it proposes on their own slogans not enough yeah and
01:26:19.240
this this has been a persistent critique from everyone from like the online right to the online
01:26:24.680
left you know it's like okay well you're not actually saying anything substantive here you're
01:26:28.600
not actually picking out individual things that need to be done yes um colin says it struck me a
01:26:33.960
while ago that the proponents of multiculturalism don't actually understand there's an underlying
01:26:38.840
dichotomy multicultural means by definition differing cultures with different values well culture
01:26:44.360
some of these cultures will have split from others because of major differences which in the extremes make
01:26:48.600
them makes them not only incompatible but actively hostile and if you take for example the subcontinent
01:26:54.680
you can see cultures that were that came into existence aggressively against one another for
01:27:00.200
example islam came into existence aggressively against polytheistic paganism and sikhism came into
01:27:06.040
existence aggressively against islam itself and the islamic conquest so yes you why don't we bring them and
01:27:11.880
then israel islam's famous uh relationship with judaism just get along like the best of friends why don't we
01:27:18.360
bring them all here and then sit them in birmingham cheek by jowl and nothing will go wrong it's also
01:27:23.720
not a coincidence that um the what we might call the political theory of multiculturalism rather than
01:27:28.440
just its historical analogues emerged in canada i mean the two major multicultural theorists of the
01:27:34.440
last century one of them still alive charles taylor the philosopher and will kimlicker the philosopher
01:27:38.360
they're the main political theorists of multiculturalism they saw multiculturalism as addressing a diverse
01:27:43.000
situation that already existed it wasn't really a blueprint it was more sort of managing system for
01:27:46.600
something that was already in place now people have looked at that which was supposed to be a
01:27:50.040
sort of mitigating blueprint and have turned it into a utopian theory which they didn't view it as
01:27:54.120
even the un's own replacement migration document document says well i mean this this might work
01:28:00.200
but it will bring huge cultural consequences with it that will create massive amounts of tensions and
01:28:06.440
you might want to reconsider doing this impressively clairvoyant yeah and this was written in 2000
01:28:11.080
indeed uh so it was it was one of those things where it's like we you just weren't listening to
01:28:14.920
them right uh ben says sorry jenric but we don't want integration we want mass deportation uh luckily
01:28:20.280
we have a document for that uh well no sadly it's just illegal so we're going to be trying to do some
01:28:24.520
stuff on legal immigration as well yeah but the the thing is i i'm absolutely convinced that the
01:28:30.360
barometer of how many illegals in this country is vastly under reporting probably yeah uh no no doubt i think
01:28:35.880
um and the problem that we have is the legal communities are a magnet for illegal immigrants
01:28:42.760
because a lot of them will just be related to and actually know the people in them and they'll
01:28:46.360
be able to find a job oh it's so-and-so's cousin who's arrived he hasn't got a visa so he's gonna
01:28:49.640
have to let him work cash in hand in your local shop or something like that and that's that's good
01:28:53.560
there are going to be millions of people like that that's true and you can carry your cousin's
01:28:57.560
daughter and then you get citizenship and that makes you legal so it's it's the the the spillover from
01:29:04.600
one under the other is huge just to underscore the report i'm so sorry i just want to think we
01:29:08.280
want to i just want to make it clear to people that this is we regard this as kind of a first victory
01:29:12.840
in restoring britain rather than sufficient unto itself i was just going to quickly add um that by
01:29:17.400
taking down the illegals you're also going to unearth a lot of the legal people doing criminal
01:29:21.880
things and therefore it will make it easier to remove them as well with criminal convictions that's
01:29:25.720
right yeah omar says there are no rules human rights or even friend enemy distinction even for allies
01:29:30.120
can be sacrificed for the cause there is only one progressive calculation that holds true
01:29:34.280
which hurts society more they don't operate off definitions or principles words are a magic
01:29:38.520
spell to get what they want your wealth your country your birthright your soul well they that
01:29:41.560
that that's that's how it looks from the other side of it but on the inside they do have a plan
01:29:48.280
the problem is the plan is insane um the the well it is yes i agree i agree but it's very well put
01:29:57.880
the plan is to literally liberate us from everything that makes us human um which i'm not all of your
01:30:03.640
loyalties i'm not overstate your sense of belonging cut off yourself spiritually and sort of nation your
01:30:09.720
family your culture bb a number on on an excel sheet there's no other way to be free yes there's
01:30:14.920
literally their view there's no other way to be free uh and i think that's evil south dakota pastor
01:30:20.360
says i'm no longer joking when i say that tony blair is either the antichrist of the book of revelation
01:30:24.520
of the book of revelation or works for him um yeah i mean it's it's hard to see who's above tony blair
01:30:31.640
he seems to be like the the prime mover in all i would argue that the antichrist works for tony
01:30:36.440
blair yeah and it's it's impossible not to notice in the book of revelations that the mark of the
01:30:42.440
that the beast we covered it the other day is literally you will not be able to transact
01:30:47.240
without the mark of the beast exactly incredible how this is incredible how how that fits yeah it's
01:30:54.360
genuinely terrifying anyway right we are out of time there folks so thank you for joining us
01:30:58.280
harrison where can people find more from you uh restore britain obviously uh the european
01:31:01.800
conservative particularly the forge which is my monthly um sort of debate and discussion show on
01:31:06.680
youtube most recent one was with michael gove uh yes i know you did yeah you covered it on the
01:31:11.800
podcast the other day and then the second one uh coming out on the 13th of october which is thatcher's
01:31:16.840
centenary i'd like to plug this very quickly so five days time monday night this monday uh
01:31:21.160
william cluston versus charles moore uh her official biographer debating thatcher's life and legacy to mark
01:31:26.680
her centenary oh okay interesting might be interesting and then um and then the new culture
01:31:29.960
forum weekly deprogrammed with connor tomlinson all right well thanks for joining us folks and
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we will see you at 6 p.m go to courses.loses.com sign up for the webinar and you'll be sent a link
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and we stelios and myself will be there at 6 p.m to talk about why actually we need a total moral
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revolution across the west and it begins with aristotle