The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1270

00:00:00.000 Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the podcast of Lotus Caesars for, what

00:00:10.700 are we, Thursday?

00:00:11.840 Yes.

00:00:12.300 We are Thursday the 9th of October.

00:00:13.400 My God, time just keeps going, doesn't it?

00:00:15.500 And today we are going to be talking about Rupert Lowe announcing the plan for mass deportations,

00:00:20.540 which is superb, how frankly it is absurd to not say that Birmingham has a problem with

00:00:26.860 immigration and integration, and how Gaza is unfortunately our future, our technocratic 1.00

00:00:31.760 Blair-run future.

00:00:33.320 I am joined by Ferris, Josh, and Harrison Pitt from lots of places, actually.

00:00:38.060 Where do you want me to tell people from?

00:00:39.040 We're just a policy fellow at Restore Britain, a fellow at the New Culture Forum, and as a

00:00:44.900 contributing editor at the European Conservative.

00:00:46.300 Lots of things.

00:00:47.680 But he, did you write this plan?

00:00:50.040 I co-authored it with Rupert and, of course, the other members of the Restore Britain team,

00:00:54.160 the public-facing ones being mainly sort of Charlie Downs, Lewis Brackport, and Maria

00:00:58.680 Bautel, made important contributions as well behind the scenes.

00:01:02.360 But it's mainly an effort between Rupert and me co-authoring it.

00:01:05.920 Excellent.

00:01:06.360 But all good folks.

00:01:07.900 And so we're going to be talking about it because it was released today.

00:01:10.800 This will be very exciting.

00:01:12.780 Right, well, before we begin, at six o'clock this evening, there is a free webinar that

00:01:18.140 you can come and join me and Stelius on, talking about why we need to restore Aristotle

00:01:21.940 as our moral framework, and abandon the liberal framework, the moral framework, of liberalism

00:01:28.960 that has replaced him. 0.96

00:01:30.560 Because I can't, I don't know whether you've noticed, but everything's a bit crap, isn't 0.94

00:01:34.000 it? 0.71

00:01:34.120 And everything's going a bit badly, and actually I think it's due to our entire moral compass

00:01:38.660 that needs replacing him.

00:01:40.360 That's the reason it needs to be done.

00:01:41.740 So anyway, join us at 6pm then.

00:01:43.400 Probably a link in the description, but if not, go to courses.loses.com, and join us at

00:01:47.120 6pm tonight.

00:01:48.380 It's going to be fun and interesting.

00:01:50.120 Highly educational.

00:01:50.720 Anyway, right, so, Rupert Lowe tweeted out his policy for mass deportations.

00:01:56.860 Now, this isn't just a document where they suggest, well, I would like, it's not a wish

00:02:02.760 list.

00:02:03.300 What this is, is a concrete plan on what a government would actually have to do if they wanted to

00:02:08.920 deport millions of illegal immigrants.

00:02:11.040 And there's a reason that the Conservatives have done none of these things, because they

00:02:14.140 don't actually want to, I think.

00:02:15.320 But anyway, so what we'll do then is we'll look through it.

00:02:19.860 But as you can see there, Rupert says, deporting every illegal immigrant within three years

00:02:23.800 likely faster if you follow this blueprint.

00:02:26.720 And I've read it, and I agree.

00:02:28.580 I think this probably will.

00:02:30.180 In fact, that's the Conservative estimate as well, isn't it?

00:02:32.840 Yes, yes, that is our Conservative estimate.

00:02:35.760 We'll see towards the end when we get to the roadmap, which is situated towards the end

00:02:40.100 of the policy paper.

00:02:42.060 But we basically organise our understanding of how quickly it could be done and the scale

00:02:47.980 and all the rest of it in that roadmap.

00:02:50.020 And we break it down to three categories, as I recall.

00:02:52.020 Conservative estimate, with a set of variables built into it.

00:02:55.640 A Conservative set of variables built into it.

00:02:57.500 Realistic estimate, with a realistic set of variables built into it.

00:03:00.860 And then a daring but plausible scenario with some daring but plausible set of variables

00:03:06.660 built into it.

00:03:07.480 Because it was estimated that it was between, what was it, 1.8 to 2 million illegals.

00:03:12.140 And within three years or faster, that's quite an achievement.

00:03:16.260 Yeah.

00:03:16.760 Particularly because, of course, the illegal migrants are harder to find than the legal ones, 1.00

00:03:20.500 because they're here illegally.

00:03:22.360 And so they're going to be concealing themselves.

00:03:23.940 So if that can be the case, that's actually very, very promising.

00:03:27.420 That's right.

00:03:27.920 That's right.

00:03:28.640 And yeah, it's obviously very, there's a bit of a data vacuum, because the government

00:03:33.140 hasn't ordered the sort of modelling into the illegal migrant population that they should

00:03:37.360 have done.

00:03:37.620 So we're a little bit in the dark about estimates.

00:03:39.480 But we thought that we would, so I think it was the migrant, it was the Pew Research about

00:03:45.380 in 2020, as long ago as 2020, think about how many people are coming across the channel

00:03:49.260 every day of the week, particularly in summer, put it at around somewhere between 800,000

00:03:54.380 to 1.2 million.

00:03:55.220 That was later revised down.

00:03:56.760 But we thought that in order to sort of signal the ambition of our plan, that we would assume

00:04:00.760 an illegal migrant population of somewhere between 1.8 and 2 million.

00:04:03.840 I think that's honestly probably underselling it.

00:04:06.240 Might be.

00:04:06.460 But you may as well go for that, because that's the upper limit of their own estimates.

00:04:10.360 Exactly.

00:04:10.720 Right.

00:04:11.080 So I thought we'd have a quick browse through this.

00:04:14.200 Yeah.

00:04:14.640 So we'll skip the preamble, because of course we don't need to read the preamble.

00:04:18.920 We all know why this needs to be done.

00:04:21.680 We'll get to the public opinion on it, I think.

00:04:25.180 It might be worth having a quick look at the contents page, just a very brief glance

00:04:29.140 so people can see the bits that they're interested in, to give a sense of the overview, because

00:04:33.220 it's basically just split into two parts.

00:04:35.040 One is legal obstacles to mass deportations, as you can see, that's part one.

00:04:38.520 And two is the practical logistics of mass deportations.

00:04:41.860 And that section, crucially, is split into two other parts, voluntary returns and involuntary

00:04:45.420 returns.

00:04:46.200 So there you go.

00:04:47.220 Okay.

00:04:47.460 Well, we'll stay here just so I don't have to keep flicking through.

00:04:51.200 Sure thing.

00:04:51.480 But I noticed on page 15 of the introduction, you put polling that suggests that, in fact,

00:04:59.160 everyone agrees that this is the case by a huge number.

00:05:03.220 It's probably worth looking at, actually.

00:05:04.060 Yeah, you're probably right.

00:05:05.580 It probably is, actually.

00:05:05.960 Yeah, we have Charlie Downs to thank for a lot, but these graphics among them, very stark.

00:05:12.500 Yeah, and it's actually kind of mad.

00:05:14.420 So 52.7% of voters would be more likely to support their MP if they backed mass deportations,

00:05:20.040 compared to just 17.8% who would be less likely.

00:05:23.680 Unsurprisingly, it's most of England.

00:05:25.900 No, even London.

00:05:26.740 Even London, yeah.

00:05:27.520 46.3% for London, if you're listening. 0.98

00:05:29.880 That's ridiculous, considering only a third white British. 0.96

00:05:34.660 Yes. 0.98

00:05:35.200 It might be partly a function of the AeroTrain's wanting the Somalis gone and the Somalis wanting 0.99

00:05:39.120 the AeroTrain's gone, but, you know.

00:05:40.660 Ah, well, diversity is our strength, after all.

00:05:42.600 And the national support for mass deportations by region, I think, is a wonderful seat. 1.00

00:05:48.640 Scotland on 60%, disappointing, but at least there's still a majority.

00:05:52.520 The North East, though, they are the most base people in the country, 72.6%.

00:05:56.680 South West on 70.3%, though.

00:05:58.940 Yes.

00:05:59.540 We're not doing too badly.

00:06:01.140 Even London, though, on 55.9%.

00:06:03.580 It's very important when you commission these polls.

00:06:05.240 This is why I don't always trust YouGov's estimates on these things.

00:06:07.680 You need to give people, like, most people are sensible.

00:06:09.820 Most people, they have very strong intuitions, but they're not necessarily filled in on all

00:06:13.620 of the relevant minutiae of our illegal immigration catastrophe, as we call it in this paper,

00:06:17.180 or, indeed, the legal immigration catastrophe, which, as I say at the beginning, is much greater

00:06:20.300 and will be addressed in future papers.

00:06:21.920 Separate issue.

00:06:23.820 If you give, I think, before you ask people any questions about immigration, you should

00:06:27.160 give them accurate, like, the most accurate up-to-date data on the numbers and the date

00:06:32.080 by which the host population will be a minority in our country.

00:06:34.240 Eric Halpern's research, it's in his book, White Shift, shows that when you mentioned

00:06:38.500 the demographic cliff edge of the process of replacement migration is taking us to,

00:06:43.980 people's restrictionism doubles, roughly doubles.

00:06:47.440 So it's important that people know what they're answering.

00:06:49.660 But this is because the average person thinks that immigration into this country is something

00:06:52.880 in the order of 70,000 a year, mostly illegal.

00:06:55.540 Yes.

00:06:55.880 And it's like, no, it's 700,000 a year, mostly legal.

00:06:58.880 So that is the spread when people are somewhat under-informed, God bless them.

00:07:02.680 So this is the importance of data.

00:07:04.420 Imagine when they find out that it's 10 times worse than they realize.

00:07:07.960 Well, they're basing their opinions off of media coverage, which is largely about illegals

00:07:12.040 rather than legal migration.

00:07:14.000 Which we view as part of our function at RestoreBritish, and indeed you view it the same

00:07:17.700 way too, New Culture Forum as well, to try and engage in a sort of gentle campaign of

00:07:21.860 public education, not just meeting the public where they are, but trying to tell them what

00:07:24.460 they're not being told.

00:07:25.280 Yes, I mean, people genuinely do not understand the scale of the problem.

00:07:28.720 And that is due to the media, more frankly, avoiding giving them accurate information.

00:07:34.300 They could publicize this information anytime they want it, and they don't.

00:07:39.900 I saw the most UK thing today on my way to work.

00:07:42.960 Oh, go on.

00:07:43.400 It was two West African men escorting a boy, clearly of Asian descent, heavily disabled.

00:07:53.540 One would guess the cause of the disability would be extreme inbreeding.

00:08:00.080 And there is two men walking him to school.

00:08:03.260 And you kind of ask yourself, is this Britain's problem?

00:08:08.820 I'll tell you what that is for us.

00:08:10.300 That's GDP right there.

00:08:11.960 GDP right there, yes.

00:08:13.400 Inaction.

00:08:13.640 GDP, future debt, isn't it like it?

00:08:16.400 Correct.

00:08:17.040 Yes.

00:08:17.780 Anyway, so let's begin with part one, the legal obstacles to mass deportations.

00:08:21.500 Because, of course, there are many legal obstacles to mass deportations.

00:08:25.240 And so what I like about this is just comprehensively, these are the acts that are currently inhibiting

00:08:31.640 our ability to just get rid of people that we don't want here and who shouldn't be here.

00:08:35.920 The first one being the Immigration and Asylum Act of 1999, thank you, Mr. Blair, which repeal

00:08:42.200 the ability for asylum seekers and the dependents to request basically unlimited support from

00:08:49.700 the state.

00:08:50.240 All the citations are there.

00:08:51.260 I recommend that people look in detail at the relevant sections, which I do give in detail.

00:08:56.940 Obviously, I've not memorized them off the top of my head.

00:08:59.800 We describe this as an important but non-exhaustive list.

00:09:04.460 So we don't rule out others being relevant to, particularly ones that are mentioned in

00:09:07.820 the UN Refugee Convention, because a lot of that is interweaved into our law already.

00:09:11.660 Everyone knows that the Human Rights Act is interweaved into our law.

00:09:13.640 These are relevant areas too, but they're addressed slightly later.

00:09:17.440 But we also know, I know through the grapevine, that there are other institutions friendly

00:09:24.680 to restore Britain, kindred spirits, as it were, who are compiling a much more comprehensive

00:09:28.220 list.

00:09:28.540 So I didn't see the point in duplication of efforts.

00:09:30.900 But these are the main pillars, I would say.

00:09:32.740 Indeed, yes.

00:09:33.620 So the Nationality, Immigration and Asylum Act from 2002, again, thank you, Tony Blair,

00:09:38.000 repeal Part 2 and Part 5 of these things, in which we are compelled to provide housing

00:09:43.740 for the asylum seekers and accommodation centres, and make sure that we respect their protection

00:09:49.720 of human rights claims.

00:09:51.840 So elaborate on that for me.

00:09:54.320 Well, it's basically the seeds of the whole, as I recall.

00:09:59.480 It might be worth scrolling down to them individually, actually, just so that I can make sure that

00:10:02.820 I'm getting them right, because it can be a bit squirrely.

00:10:05.960 Anyway, as I recall, this is the sort of setting in motion, the whole kind of very exacting

00:10:10.740 tribunals process, that enables people to apply for injunctions and all the rest of

00:10:16.320 it.

00:10:16.740 So just getting rid of all of that bureaucratic processing and making things cleaner.

00:10:22.900 Yeah, there you go.

00:10:23.360 Part 5, which sets out Britain's Immigration Tribunal provisions, including in respect

00:10:26.220 to protection and human rights claims.

00:10:28.220 And yeah, the citations are there.

00:10:29.520 So if you go to 14, then you can just look up the parts and the sections and all the rest

00:10:32.520 of it.

00:10:32.760 It's all addressed.

00:10:34.880 Okay, the next one is the UK Borders Act of 2007.

00:10:39.060 Now, a repeal section 33 that overrides automatic deportation for foreign criminals, whether removal

00:10:45.220 would breach a person's convention rights or the United Kingdom's obligations under the

00:10:50.260 Refugee Convention.

00:10:51.460 So when someone has done something terrible and we find the judge is like, oh, they can

00:10:57.400 stay for an infinite amount of time and you're going to pay for the privilege.

00:10:59.860 Well, you can see how we arrived at that.

00:11:02.720 Absolutely.

00:11:03.440 And that's rooted in a decision that I believe was made in 1997, which I also cite later on,

00:11:08.300 called the Chahal versus the United Kingdom.

00:11:10.280 And the wording of it is absolutely extraordinary.

00:11:12.120 It says something along the lines.

00:11:14.560 Are we going to go to the ECHR later?

00:11:16.580 Yeah, but you can give us it.

00:11:18.500 It says something along the lines of the behavior, however monstrous the behavior of the criminal

00:11:24.100 is irrelevant.

00:11:25.520 So it completely removes any sort of countervailing interest to the human rights of that deportee

00:11:31.820 if they have a plausible fear of refoulment.

00:11:35.200 In other words, being removed to either a third country or their home country in which

00:11:38.640 they would face a plausible risk of being mistreated.

00:11:41.660 So basically, it is the duty of the British to protect anybody who is a criminal against

00:11:48.200 British people because that person might be able to claim that his rights would be violated.

00:11:54.700 That's right.

00:11:55.080 I mean, I think philosophically, the issue here is what are rights and where do they come

00:11:59.720 from and who do you owe rights to?

00:12:02.640 I've written briefly about this, but the idea is that you are born into a web of obligations

00:12:07.800 to the people around you, first and foremost, because they are the ones who enable you to

00:12:11.820 do anything meaningful with your life.

00:12:14.000 These obligations must be delineated because the idea that you owe protection to any criminal

00:12:21.040 who comes from Vietnam or Zimbabwe or Brazil is simply an absurdity. 1.00

00:12:27.160 You have no relationship to him.

00:12:28.800 Therefore, you do not owe him the same things.

00:12:31.280 But that ruling, the Shahal one that you mentioned, sort of inverts that completely and says that

00:12:37.780 it is the duty of Britain to be the guardian of human rights of the most criminal people 1.00

00:12:43.400 in the world, so long as they commit their crimes in Britain. 0.83

00:12:46.260 That's right.

00:12:46.880 And a really important analogy here that I think I use at some point.

00:12:50.360 Oh, no, I don't use that.

00:12:51.000 I might have used it elsewhere.

00:12:52.680 If someone were to break into you, we don't really believe in that sort of telescopic altruism

00:12:58.080 in our own cases.

00:13:00.020 So if someone were to break into my home at four in the morning and just kind of squat

00:13:04.480 in my living room, let alone start stabbing members of my family, it wouldn't be considered

00:13:10.960 intuitively a very good Trump factor on my right to remove that person from my home that

00:13:18.380 it's cold outside and they might have nowhere to live and they might die during the evening.

00:13:21.920 Like, my duty is to protect my family first.

00:13:24.820 And similarly, Britain cannot reasonably be expected to discharge the duty of making sure

00:13:30.020 that nothing bad happens anywhere in the world ever.

00:13:32.460 Because of these rules, though, there are cases where, I remember one a few years ago,

00:13:35.960 a burglar broke into someone's house, fell through a table or something, broke his leg,

00:13:39.820 and then sued the person whose house he was breaking into.

00:13:42.680 And honestly, it just ruined my day reading it.

00:13:46.560 I was furious.

00:13:47.280 Quite right, too.

00:13:47.800 But you're absolutely right about the issue with the morality involved, actually, with

00:13:51.980 the question of human rights.

00:13:53.520 And this is actually what we're covering in the webinar this afternoon, actually.

00:13:56.900 Because, as you pointed out, the liberal concept of rights is irrespective of character.

00:14:03.380 It does not matter what the person is like, what the person has done.

00:14:06.900 Because a universal human right applies in the liberal framework to all people in all times

00:14:11.600 and all places, regardless of any contingent factors.

00:14:15.000 And it is, in fact, ruining us.

00:14:16.440 It is, in fact, bringing about the destruction of the country.

00:14:19.220 But also, we are giving privileges to criminals and to evildoers.

00:14:23.980 And that's really the main problem.

00:14:25.920 It's got to stop.

00:14:27.720 Anyway, so the UK Borders Act, we need to get rid of that particular section.

00:14:34.500 And a lot of that is covered by Section 2 and Section 3, which deal, respectively,

00:14:37.780 with ECHR and the UN Refugee Convention, which that act simply refers to.

00:14:41.800 Then you have the 2009 Borders and Citizenship and Immigration Act.

00:14:47.180 So, Section 55 of this forces the Home Office to consider the best interest of the dependents of immigrants

00:14:52.540 when making asylum decisions.

00:14:54.540 So, you remember the chicken nugget Albanian lad? 1.00

00:14:58.140 Yes.

00:14:58.380 I don't like Albanian chicken nuggets, Dad. 0.95

00:15:00.340 Well, thank God the British government are going to take that into consideration when I get deported for being a criminal.

00:15:05.640 More than the sort of absurdity of the cases, this is the basis for infinite legal migration on that basis.

00:15:14.820 As in, it's in his best interest to have a family life.

00:15:18.600 Of course, it's in everybody's interest to have a family life, which means that once somebody breaks in,

00:15:23.380 they can then trigger a chain migration that allows everybody in their family to come in.

00:15:29.280 And I know of cases, sort of Syrians who were in Lebanon, who then left to Europe,

00:15:34.400 who send a child with a family member so that that child can be an anchor for reunification claims,

00:15:43.320 family reunification claims, based on precisely that sort of reasoning.

00:15:46.780 So, it gets abused in a very particular way.

00:15:49.860 It gets abused in a very nasty way.

00:15:51.420 There was a particular case of a Pakistani paedophile who was due to be deported,

00:15:57.280 but because it would have violated basically his access to his own children,

00:16:01.980 this Pakistani paedophile couldn't be deported, which I'm sure really helped his children. 1.00

00:16:08.160 This loophole's very well advertised as well. 0.55

00:16:10.940 Yes.

00:16:11.160 It's known pretty much worldwide at this point, and they're exploited,

00:16:14.500 and of course, it's not Britain's problem to reunite families who are moving for economic reasons

00:16:19.440 when they could be perfectly united in their home country.

00:16:21.900 Yes, completely.

00:16:23.260 Right, so moving on to the Equality Act.

00:16:24.720 I like this, just repeal and fall.

00:16:26.160 Yeah.

00:16:27.240 It might be worth saying very quickly, like, this is a good, so,

00:16:29.700 so, there's been a lot of talk, and Starkey has, of course, mainstreamed this in the main,

00:16:34.280 Dr. David Starkey, the idea of a great repeal bill.

00:16:37.380 And, of course, as you can tell, it's not as if we're reluctant to repeal legislation.

00:16:41.200 It's very important that we do repeal legislation, often in full, often in part.

00:16:44.720 And the Equality Act is listed there.

00:16:46.400 My concern here was more that, our concern here was more that the Equality Act might be used,

00:16:50.180 because technically, set provisions are made for exceptions to be made.

00:16:52.960 If you're dealing with immigration enforcement, you can actually discriminate on the basis of nationality.

00:16:56.920 But the problem is that when you have an activist judiciary, they will basically seize on any little bit of legal writ they've got,

00:17:03.140 and employing their living instrument doctrine, expand upon it, and extrapolate from it in order to come to decisions that they like.

00:17:11.200 So, in my view, repealing is good.

00:17:13.080 You should repeal quite a lot.

00:17:14.040 But it's not enough, which is why in the judicial section, which I think is section six of part one on reforming the judiciary,

00:17:22.640 we actually advocate a novel idea.

00:17:25.420 We push for a novel idea, something called a Great Clarification Act,

00:17:28.520 which I think, in combination with a great repeal bill of some kind,

00:17:32.120 would deal a pretty deadly blow to the possibility of judicial activism. 0.89

00:17:36.960 And maybe we'll get to that later, but it's important to say here.

00:17:39.600 But the Equality Act itself, you are absolutely correct, it just has to go,

00:17:44.100 because it prohibits discrimination on the basis of nationality,

00:17:47.180 which is the point of any kind of border control in the first place.

00:17:50.160 It's the point of having a state.

00:17:51.300 Exactly. It's the point of having a state and having any kind of border control.

00:17:54.460 So that would have to go.

00:17:56.020 And also, it's just horrific legislation that is the source of making British people second-class citizens in their own country.

00:18:03.760 So the Equality Act rightly just has to go.

00:18:07.880 So then you have the Illegal Immigration Act of 2023, amend certain parts of section 12.

00:18:13.380 What I like about this is it's not excessively heavy-handed, right?

00:18:17.100 Because one critique that someone who didn't agree with you might come back with and say,

00:18:22.660 well, a lot of what's in these is actually reasonably good, and we should keep them.

00:18:27.240 And so if you were just going to charge in like a bull in a Chinese shop, 0.88

00:18:30.540 say, repeal, repeal, repeal, they would have you on the hook.

00:18:33.120 But actually, you've been a lot more surgical than that, which is actually really good.

00:18:36.200 I try to be.

00:18:36.900 So this is amending certain parts of section 12,

00:18:40.780 which sought to overturn two of the four so-called hard-will-sing principles

00:18:45.440 while putting the other two on statutory footing.

00:18:47.920 Now, I don't know what these are.

00:18:50.000 Would you like to...

00:18:50.940 Well, yeah, there you go.

00:18:51.940 So I think it's page five of that.

00:18:53.680 It gives a neat little summary to people on what these principles are.

00:18:57.400 Yeah, there you go.

00:18:58.040 Page four.

00:18:59.740 No, no, oh, no, no.

00:19:00.540 It's the one just down, the four limbs of hard-will-sing.

00:19:02.620 So these are the sort of four principles that in English common law

00:19:06.480 govern the sort of length of detention and all that sort of thing.

00:19:11.680 And the Conservative Party in 2023 were trying to limit the application of these things

00:19:18.460 because in British law, despite the fact that we're very proud of common law,

00:19:21.820 statutory law does abrogate it.

00:19:24.000 That is a key principle of parliamentary sovereignty.

00:19:26.980 That is to say, it overrules it for people who don't know what abrogate means in the legal context.

00:19:33.000 But the Conservatives, what they did is they tried to disapply two of the provisions,

00:19:36.980 I actually forget which ones, while putting the others two on a statutory footing.

00:19:40.640 And when Reform published their report, Operation Restoring Justice,

00:19:44.240 they just had a kind of one-line thing.

00:19:45.500 I welcome the move.

00:19:47.160 They had a one-line saying,

00:19:47.980 we would create new detention powers that don't make reference to hard-will-sing principles.

00:19:52.040 If you've still got some hard-will-sing principles on the books,

00:19:55.120 which the Conservatives kept in 2023,

00:19:58.540 you won't be able to create those detention powers.

00:20:00.400 So they should have mentioned that they need to get rid of that little bit of legislation

00:20:03.060 in order to do what they want.

00:20:05.140 Okie doke. 0.85

00:20:05.620 So moving on, we will come to the UN Refugee Convention.

00:20:11.460 Now explain the issue with that to us.

00:20:14.380 I recommend going to the bottom for that, just like in the conclusion.

00:20:17.440 So the UN Refugee Convention governs, in short,

00:20:20.800 whereas people are constantly complaining about the operation of the ECHR and the HRA

00:20:25.120 in making it very, very difficult to get rid of people.

00:20:29.920 The UN Refugee Convention forces us to take their entry seriously.

00:20:33.800 So that's the kind of distinction.

00:20:35.620 In fact, I might just wheel this out.

00:20:38.500 Now, how about you, if you go to the Dominic Cummings section.

00:20:42.540 No, the bottom of it.

00:20:44.300 No, no, on the new tab.

00:20:46.300 Oh, right, yes.

00:20:46.820 People, ideas, machines, just quickly.

00:20:48.740 And then if you go down, keep going down.

00:20:50.380 He loves to preface his blog posts with fancy, fancy.

00:20:54.600 Keep going, keep going, keep going.

00:20:57.100 Oh, go up.

00:20:58.460 Yeah, there you go.

00:20:59.680 Keep going down again.

00:21:00.620 Yeah, so I went through the boats in great detail in 2020

00:21:02.940 with both A, the military, and B, the best lawyers inside and outside government.

00:21:06.500 And the conclusion was absolutely clear.

00:21:07.960 Operationally stopping the boats is very simple and could be done in days.

00:21:11.060 But cabinet office legal advice endorsed by external experts

00:21:14.420 is that the PM cannot do the simple thing lawfully

00:21:16.900 because the courts will stop him using the HRA and the ECHR.

00:21:20.560 Look who happens to agree with Dominic Cummings.

00:21:23.340 I don't know whether people can see that.

00:21:24.480 Yeah, they can, definitely.

00:21:25.220 Josh, would you do us the honours of reading from Unfortunately Downwards?

00:21:28.480 Sure.

00:21:29.840 This is Tony Blair's memoir, 2010.

00:21:31.240 Unfortunately, it was completely unrealistic in the late 20th century.

00:21:34.920 The presumption was plainly false.

00:21:36.400 Most asylum claims were not genuine.

00:21:38.320 Disproving them, however, was almost impossible.

00:21:40.540 The combination of the courts with their liberal instincts,

00:21:43.620 the European Convention on Human Rights with its absolutist attitude

00:21:46.800 to the prospect of returning someone to an unsafe community,

00:21:50.180 and the UN Convention of Refugees with its context firmly that of the 1930s

00:21:56.340 Convention of, oh no, the 1930s Germany, sorry,

00:22:00.860 meant that in practice, once someone got into Britain and claimed asylum,

00:22:04.920 it was the devil's own job to return them.

00:22:07.400 The devil's own job, interesting.

00:22:09.260 Yeah, so clearly Dominic Cummings and Tony Blair are at one on that point,

00:22:15.200 which is interesting, like probably an unwise moment of candour

00:22:18.560 from the Dark Lord in his memoir.

00:22:21.620 So what the UNRC does, it basically lies at the root of our asylum system

00:22:25.280 and it forces us to take claims seriously.

00:22:27.980 So if you go back to the paper, Carl, sorry.

00:22:31.380 Yeah, so is that the last part?

00:22:33.660 Yeah, so basically we should, our view is that we should repeal all reference

00:22:39.240 to its rules and principles in our domestic legislation.

00:22:43.200 Again, being a signatory to it doesn't really matter that much.

00:22:46.660 It's only insofar as it is incorporated into our own law,

00:22:49.440 which it has been by a number of statutes, that it operates,

00:22:52.920 it assumes legal force, active legal force within Britain.

00:22:56.580 So I suggest, we suggest repealing those.

00:23:00.100 Reformers just suggested disapplying them for five years.

00:23:02.180 I think they should be repealed altogether.

00:23:03.280 And we need to move to a new status quo for the 21st century.

00:23:06.340 And as I say there, then what we should replace it with, in positive terms,

00:23:09.160 then it should be specified in our law that persons seeking asylum from anywhere

00:23:11.840 other than Ireland, France, Belgium, the Netherlands, Germany, Denmark, Norway, or Iceland,

00:23:15.160 all of which neighbor us to varying degrees will have their claims automatically dismissed.

00:23:18.440 In other words, there won't be this sort of farcical idea that they should be taken seriously,

00:23:22.380 which the UN Refugee Convention context assumes that people are seeking asylum in good faith.

00:23:26.320 That's often not the case.

00:23:27.220 They're passing through multiple safe countries.

00:23:29.180 There's very little in the way of assurances that allow host countries

00:23:33.140 to just dismiss bogus claims at root.

00:23:37.360 And given that under Schedule 3 of the Asylum and Immigration Treatment of Claimants,

00:23:40.920 et cetera, Act 2004, all of these countries are already listed as safe,

00:23:44.960 anyone who came from them, so long as they weren't claiming,

00:23:47.620 they would be traveling from them.

00:23:49.520 But so long as they weren't saying,

00:23:51.780 they would have to claim that they were seeking asylum from one of those countries.

00:23:54.820 And given that they're all listed as safe in our own law.

00:23:56.980 So they have to claim that the French government is trying to kill them.

00:23:59.020 And then they'd be given status.

00:24:00.700 So Medellin Le Pen might qualify, but everybody else did not.

00:24:03.460 You're right.

00:24:04.780 That's basically it, yeah.

00:24:05.560 The problem with the UN Convention on Refugees, anyway,

00:24:08.440 is it's written in a different time, in a different era,

00:24:10.640 for a different circumstance.

00:24:12.440 But it also carries that kind of 20th century liberal romanticism.

00:24:17.260 Oh, we can create a universal rule for all times and all places.

00:24:19.860 It's like, no, actually, you weren't expecting millions of third worlders 1.00

00:24:23.800 to walk across the world through Europe

00:24:26.560 and come over and break into our country on boats.

00:24:28.640 You didn't have that in your mind at all.

00:24:30.900 That's right.

00:24:31.320 And if that was happening in your day, you would never have agreed to this.

00:24:34.620 All it took was basically the modernization of cheap air travel in the 1970s

00:24:39.820 to poke a massive hole through that and make it completely redundant.

00:24:43.040 Precisely.

00:24:43.640 And so the world has changed.

00:24:44.920 And we shouldn't...

00:24:45.780 This was always one of the great points that Scruton made,

00:24:48.540 is the dead hand of treaties.

00:24:50.080 Yeah.

00:24:50.500 They're made in a different time.

00:24:51.600 They don't adapt to the circumstances.

00:24:53.380 Where it gets really funny, as far as I'm concerned,

00:24:55.460 is in the idea of this being a living document.

00:24:58.480 If it was a living document, in their view,

00:25:01.300 it should factor in the changing circumstances.

00:25:05.540 So they apply the living document doctrine only...

00:25:09.040 Living instrument.

00:25:09.640 The living instrument, sorry.

00:25:10.820 The living instrument doctrine only,

00:25:12.160 and as far as it suits their own liberal biases.

00:25:14.140 They don't apply it to say,

00:25:16.580 well, this was written for a situation in the 1930s

00:25:20.060 where the Germans were doing these things.

00:25:21.940 Therefore, the world has changed and the Germans aren't doing them. 1.00

00:25:26.180 It always leans towards their favored presumptions.

00:25:30.740 That's right.

00:25:31.600 That's right.

00:25:32.440 And it's also worth saying,

00:25:33.360 we do also, I think a little bit above,

00:25:35.120 say that we should be thinking about moving towards a new model

00:25:37.620 for the 21st century.

00:25:39.800 And this is an idea that we actually got from Rafe Heidel-Lancoux

00:25:42.740 at the New Culture Forum.

00:25:43.600 He's been banging on this drum for a while,

00:25:45.120 and he deserves a lot of credit for doing so.

00:25:46.660 The idea that there should be a new status quo globally,

00:25:49.680 an update to the UNRC 1951 context,

00:25:51.660 which says, look, if you're applying asylum for asylum,

00:25:53.900 you should seek it in your continent of origin.

00:25:56.400 That has lots of virtues.

00:25:57.580 It minimizes cultural frictions

00:25:59.040 because there tends to be more cultural proximity

00:26:00.540 between those sorts of countries.

00:26:02.120 And crucially, it imposes...

00:26:04.000 Well, two, it imposes...

00:26:06.820 It gives third world leaders a very serious incentive 1.00

00:26:10.000 to look out for the regional stability of their region

00:26:12.580 rather than just palming it off on the West.

00:26:14.260 And third, weirdly, and you'll agree with this,

00:26:18.040 the rest needs the West quite a lot

00:26:20.160 because the West is the hub of research and innovation.

00:26:22.980 If the West went under, the rest would suffer too.

00:26:25.560 So the more we make the West...

00:26:26.580 The less we make it like a lifeboat,

00:26:29.320 which is what people see it as,

00:26:30.440 a kind of infinite lifeboat,

00:26:32.380 no damage to which can ever be done,

00:26:35.240 the less it will look like a lifeboat

00:26:36.380 and the more it will look like a godforsaken slum,

00:26:38.080 in which case everyone suffers.

00:26:39.180 So there are three important reasons to push for that.

00:26:41.560 Agreed.

00:26:42.440 And also, I just...

00:26:43.960 Again, the appeal to these kind of abstract universal laws

00:26:47.760 really bothers me

00:26:48.580 because it undermines the agency of the Western countries

00:26:51.360 and their own governments anyway.

00:26:52.900 It's like, sorry, I'm bound by a treaty

00:26:54.320 that was signed 100 years ago

00:26:55.820 when I'm the sovereign of the country.

00:26:58.020 I'm the one with the executive power of the country.

00:27:00.060 Well, it undermines parliamentary sovereignty,

00:27:01.720 first of all.

00:27:01.820 Well, precisely.

00:27:02.700 The point being,

00:27:05.040 we should essentially not have any rules for this.

00:27:08.240 And if we feel that we want to be...

00:27:10.060 Like for the Ukrainians, for example,

00:27:11.900 I'm completely in favour of us taking the Ukrainian refugees 1.00

00:27:14.160 because they are actual refugees

00:27:15.780 in an actual war zone

00:27:17.280 and we are actually sympathetic to them.

00:27:19.160 And we consider Ukraine part of the West's realm of interest.

00:27:23.960 And it was women and children as well. 0.84

00:27:25.300 And it was women and children, actual refugees.

00:27:28.980 We should just be free to say

00:27:30.100 we're not taking anyone from Syria

00:27:31.500 or from Iraq or the Maghreb or bloody Somalia.

00:27:36.220 No, we're just not interested.

00:27:37.280 And we don't have an abstract rule

00:27:38.480 that constrains us to do so.

00:27:40.120 We make the executive decision

00:27:41.400 because we think that's good for us

00:27:42.480 and we don't really believe you

00:27:43.720 in the fact that you're lying

00:27:45.120 because you're obviously grifters. 0.74

00:27:46.700 Correct.

00:27:47.400 Anyway, so yes, moving on.

00:27:49.280 So, the ECHR-related obstacles then.

00:27:53.700 Well, I mean, I think that's probably the area

00:27:56.060 where people feel best briefed.

00:27:57.520 So, it might be worth moving on to other sections.

00:27:59.480 I do recommend that people read it in full

00:28:00.940 if they're interested.

00:28:02.220 Yeah, so just very briefly then,

00:28:04.460 just for anyone who's not aware,

00:28:06.720 you present basically two options.

00:28:09.040 Full withdrawal, which I would have,

00:28:11.740 what I would think is a good thing.

00:28:12.640 I mean, this is the sort of thing

00:28:13.320 that the Conservatives are currently saying at the moment.

00:28:14.920 Yeah, they are.

00:28:15.340 Oh, we're going to withdraw from it.

00:28:16.480 Or what I liked about this, selective disobedience.

00:28:19.340 Yes.

00:28:19.580 Which has been proposed as a more simple course

00:28:22.120 than full withdrawal.

00:28:23.600 I think that if it's got to the point

00:28:24.960 of selective disobedience, just withdraw.

00:28:27.300 Yes.

00:28:27.680 So, the only thing I do,

00:28:29.680 and this is probably quite technical.

00:28:31.960 Again, I do recommend that people read

00:28:33.620 the two sections that follow this,

00:28:34.860 which have to do with the Belfast Agreement

00:28:36.100 and to do with the European...

00:28:38.180 Yeah, well, we can cover those.

00:28:39.940 Well, we can cover them.

00:28:41.060 So, if we are going to do full withdrawal,

00:28:43.180 it will lead to not legal ramifications,

00:28:45.560 but political and diplomatic ramifications.

00:28:48.160 So, I do...

00:28:49.520 There's quite a lot here to read.

00:28:50.700 Yeah.

00:28:51.400 We do sketch out ways

00:28:52.860 in which we could resolve the Northern Ireland problem

00:28:54.400 and ways which would be contingent upon full withdrawal.

00:28:57.420 That once you do full withdrawal,

00:28:58.360 you have to sort some kind of settlement

00:29:00.200 in Northern Ireland.

00:29:01.240 And once you do full withdrawal,

00:29:02.840 there are possibilities

00:29:03.560 that that will have ramifications

00:29:04.620 for the Windsor Framework,

00:29:06.100 which sort of governs

00:29:08.540 the post-Brexit settlement in Northern Ireland

00:29:09.940 and, indeed, the Trade and Cooperation Agreement,

00:29:11.760 which governs our relationship with Europe,

00:29:13.240 post-Brexit,

00:29:14.360 and those do make rather unfortunate

00:29:16.180 and complex references to the ECHR

00:29:18.900 and to convention rights.

00:29:20.340 And so, how would you manage all of that?

00:29:22.420 It's quite technical.

00:29:24.160 We do have this...

00:29:25.740 I mean, how much time do we have?

00:29:27.120 We're actually running out of time,

00:29:28.600 so let's keep it...

00:29:29.400 Let's go to the Great Clarification Act, I think.

00:29:31.080 The point is,

00:29:31.740 there are very detailed arguments

00:29:34.780 made in the plan.

00:29:36.140 Yes, but if you...

00:29:37.340 In other words, I will say this.

00:29:38.760 If a government found itself with a majority

00:29:41.220 and didn't fancy its chances,

00:29:43.520 hammering out,

00:29:44.040 like, expending all of the political capital necessary

00:29:45.900 to sort the Northern Ireland problem

00:29:47.220 and to sort the Windsor Framework problem

00:29:51.060 and the UK-EU Trade and Cooperation Agreement problem,

00:29:55.020 we recommend that selective disobedience

00:29:56.740 is probably a simpler way of going about things.

00:29:59.320 I mean, they've got no way of enforcing it.

00:30:00.660 Exactly.

00:30:01.100 And we have the...

00:30:01.520 And this, crucially,

00:30:02.600 with the Great Clarification Act,

00:30:04.260 that would be easier to do.

00:30:06.280 Is that this bit?

00:30:07.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:30:07.480 So it's the centrepiece of our restoration

00:30:10.320 of the judicial system.

00:30:11.200 We make other recommendations as well,

00:30:12.660 but we've come up with a novel idea,

00:30:15.040 the Great Clarification Act.

00:30:16.240 There's a lot of...

00:30:16.680 I'll try and explain it briefly.

00:30:18.260 There's a lot of talk about great repeal.

00:30:20.500 The problem with great repeal

00:30:21.420 is that you're trying to anticipate

00:30:23.000 how the judiciary will behave in advance

00:30:24.520 by taking away tools from them.

00:30:26.380 But they might find other tools,

00:30:28.940 which is always a problem.

00:30:29.760 Another government might provide them with tools.

00:30:31.240 Exactly.

00:30:31.760 And that's true too,

00:30:32.980 but there's also such a menacingly complex

00:30:36.180 legal corpus in Britain

00:30:37.980 that they can find something

00:30:39.020 and they'll employ the living instrument doctrine

00:30:40.660 and they can just go,

00:30:41.400 no, you're not doing that.

00:30:42.520 What the Great Clarification Act

00:30:43.640 would be designed to do

00:30:44.340 would be a kind of sort of

00:30:45.240 backstop, fail-safe option.

00:30:47.220 If, in spite of everything we've repealed,

00:30:50.260 activist judges nevertheless find ways

00:30:52.020 of interpreting the law

00:30:52.920 in ways that disrupt

00:30:54.620 a patriotic agenda of mass deportations

00:30:57.300 and many other policies,

00:30:58.600 we would pass very early on

00:31:00.540 a Great Clarification Act,

00:31:01.660 which would create a new function

00:31:03.180 within Parliament

00:31:03.820 called correction bills,

00:31:06.240 which can come into force

00:31:07.520 on a flexible basis

00:31:08.360 in order to shoot down

00:31:09.160 judicial rulings

00:31:10.180 as and when they arise.

00:31:11.340 So this gets around the problem

00:31:12.600 of having to anticipate

00:31:13.860 what judges will do in advance.

00:31:15.420 You can do some of that,

00:31:16.280 but then if they still find ways,

00:31:17.760 you've got the Great Clarification Act.

00:31:18.940 And while there is no strict category

00:31:20.220 of Clarification Act in British law,

00:31:22.440 there is precedent on this.

00:31:23.860 There have been two times

00:31:25.080 that I can think of,

00:31:25.720 maybe more in British history,

00:31:26.840 when Parliament has passed laws

00:31:28.320 that don't really create a new situation,

00:31:31.660 but state and reiterate

00:31:33.640 what they already believe to be true.

00:31:35.420 A good example would be

00:31:36.200 the 1766 Declaratory Act

00:31:37.840 when there was an embarrassing

00:31:39.120 climb down from the Stamp Act

00:31:40.920 which Britain tried to impose on America.

00:31:44.400 America was very crass.

00:31:45.680 Lord Rockingham,

00:31:46.320 who was quite,

00:31:46.860 he was Prime Minister at the time,

00:31:47.880 actually a patron to Burke,

00:31:48.960 he came into office

00:31:50.100 and he was quite fond of the Americans

00:31:51.460 as indeed Burke was,

00:31:52.540 kind of sympathized with them.

00:31:53.980 And so he repealed the Stamp Act,

00:31:55.220 but in order to kind of reassure

00:31:58.180 people who were not so pro-American,

00:32:00.260 and he said,

00:32:00.660 but I'm going to pass

00:32:01.300 the Declaratory Act with it,

00:32:02.680 which restates,

00:32:03.700 it's quite petty in a way,

00:32:04.380 it just says,

00:32:04.760 by the way,

00:32:05.220 we have repealed the Stamp Act,

00:32:06.680 but we still have a right

00:32:07.340 to bring it back if we want to.

00:32:08.820 It's just clarifying

00:32:09.780 that we can do this.

00:32:11.060 And similarly,

00:32:12.060 the Nationality Act of 1948,

00:32:14.420 which many of us probably don't like,

00:32:16.660 clarified the immigration status

00:32:18.480 of British subjects

00:32:19.340 around the world

00:32:20.060 in the sort of waning days of empire.

00:32:22.120 So the Clarification Act of sorts,

00:32:23.840 you could call them that if you want,

00:32:24.960 have been passed before.

00:32:26.640 This would be a great

00:32:27.680 Clarification Act

00:32:28.460 underscoring the right of Parliament

00:32:30.000 to shoot down judicial decisions,

00:32:31.920 to restate its sovereignty.

00:32:33.220 And in a weird way,

00:32:33.840 in a paradoxical way,

00:32:34.980 it would both cause and require

00:32:36.840 a renewal of confidence

00:32:38.920 among MPs who sit in Parliament.

00:32:40.540 Yes.

00:32:41.060 And we think that would be very good

00:32:42.360 because then you're not just trying,

00:32:43.540 then you're not trying to second guess

00:32:44.600 the judiciary at every turn.

00:32:45.740 You can catch up with them.

00:32:47.000 You can just override them.

00:32:47.240 Exactly.

00:32:47.580 And this is a genuine question,

00:32:49.440 is that the rule of law

00:32:50.140 is that we're ruled by judges.

00:32:51.560 And at the moment,

00:32:52.140 we have ruled by judges.

00:32:53.060 Indeed.

00:32:53.240 And that is not acceptable.

00:32:54.360 Exactly.

00:32:54.820 Exactly right.

00:32:55.600 Exactly.

00:32:56.100 I think if you put it

00:32:57.080 on proper philosophical foundations

00:32:58.640 as to what is the purpose

00:32:59.960 of the asylum system

00:33:01.820 and the judiciary

00:33:02.660 and the immigration system

00:33:04.080 and say that to the extent

00:33:06.240 that these things exist,

00:33:07.580 they are for the benefit

00:33:08.680 of the existing citizens of Britain.

00:33:11.380 Yes.

00:33:11.920 That would force them

00:33:13.900 to be perhaps less mealy-mouthed

00:33:15.860 and enable you to sort of

00:33:17.680 just slap down dissent.

00:33:19.660 Without going too far into it,

00:33:22.680 they're currently arguing the case

00:33:24.440 with Robert Jemrick

00:33:25.080 at the moment actually

00:33:25.820 because he wanted to have

00:33:27.300 some sort of political accountability

00:33:28.340 for the judges.

00:33:29.280 And they're of course like,

00:33:30.000 well no, that will ruin us.

00:33:31.140 Yes.

00:33:31.400 But anyway,

00:33:32.240 so I think that is

00:33:33.260 one of the strongest points

00:33:34.820 that you're making.

00:33:35.480 It's one of the original

00:33:36.520 groundbreaking points we make.

00:33:38.540 Yeah.

00:33:38.920 Given that we're running out of time,

00:33:40.220 I don't want to dictate your segment,

00:33:41.740 but maybe we should,

00:33:42.900 I would recommend people to read,

00:33:44.100 so this is the legal obstacles point.

00:33:46.620 Then we have a practical logistic section

00:33:48.180 which is based into voluntary returns

00:33:49.560 which would basically mean

00:33:50.800 ramping up the hostile environment,

00:33:51.960 making it much stronger

00:33:53.040 than it was last time.

00:33:54.220 Very, very detailed

00:33:54.960 on what we would do

00:33:55.960 on the hostile environment

00:33:56.900 and then involuntary returns,

00:33:59.120 detention and removal processing,

00:34:00.520 like all of the practical logistics

00:34:01.580 is sort of filled in on that.

00:34:03.060 And then we can get to the roadmap

00:34:04.580 which is just a little bit above

00:34:05.760 which would give people an idea

00:34:06.880 of why we think

00:34:08.180 that this could be achieved

00:34:09.340 in as optimistic a timeframe

00:34:11.380 that we've given.

00:34:12.040 I think it's a bit higher up.

00:34:15.400 Oh gosh, no, no.

00:34:16.080 Sorry, it's way down, way down.

00:34:17.100 Oh, okay.

00:34:17.520 Forgive me.

00:34:18.000 If you do control F wrong.

00:34:19.800 Roadmap.

00:34:20.560 It's just that,

00:34:20.980 do you remember the three scenarios

00:34:23.240 I was talking about earlier?

00:34:24.280 Way down, way down.

00:34:25.080 Way down.

00:34:26.480 We do recommend that people read it in four

00:34:28.000 and we welcome feedback

00:34:29.080 and criticism as well.

00:34:31.380 It's pretty comprehensive, but...

00:34:33.760 You can see how much thought

00:34:35.640 you've put into this, frankly.

00:34:37.180 Yeah, well, it's been a very,

00:34:38.460 very formidable team effort

00:34:39.520 and I was very proud to lead it.

00:34:41.920 I would assume that every time

00:34:43.220 somebody is arrested,

00:34:44.440 their immigration status

00:34:45.360 has to be checked, right?

00:34:46.240 Yes, exactly.

00:34:46.900 That sort of thing.

00:34:49.440 Data sharing across departments

00:34:50.720 or the rest of it, reporting.

00:34:52.440 One of the first things

00:34:52.980 the government should do

00:34:53.500 is actually...

00:34:54.080 Oh, no, no.

00:34:54.660 Keep going, keep going.

00:34:55.140 Detention.

00:34:55.740 Yeah, well, detention, certainly,

00:34:57.140 but they should...

00:34:58.700 Go to that saying.

00:35:01.480 And we're talking...

00:35:01.840 Also, diplomatically,

00:35:02.780 visa sanctions,

00:35:03.340 we've got this idea

00:35:03.800 of a deportation NATO

00:35:04.880 which people can read about as well

00:35:06.260 which is basically...

00:35:07.120 People sign up to agree

00:35:08.220 to have deportations

00:35:09.140 and get advantages out of it.

00:35:10.620 Exactly.

00:35:11.980 I did read it in advance.

00:35:13.060 Good man, good man.

00:35:13.980 If you're banned from Sweden

00:35:14.960 because you're in a legal chance

00:35:17.220 so you should be automatically

00:35:18.000 banned from Britain

00:35:18.860 assuming some kind of

00:35:19.980 collective security agreement.

00:35:21.100 An attack on one sovereignty

00:35:22.060 is an attack on all sovereignty.

00:35:23.060 That's the NATO Article 5 principle

00:35:24.300 and it should apply at this level

00:35:26.220 as much as...

00:35:27.080 Here we are.

00:35:27.600 There you go.

00:35:27.980 So if you go...

00:35:28.320 So first we give our conservative estimate.

00:35:30.080 I will just read this bit.

00:35:31.080 Assuming a cautious ratio

00:35:32.300 of three voluntary exits

00:35:33.580 for every forced exit,

00:35:34.660 three to one.

00:35:35.820 That's roughly what we have

00:35:36.640 at the moment.

00:35:37.900 So this is conservative.

00:35:39.520 Together with a similarly cautious

00:35:40.740 annual average

00:35:41.300 of 150,000 forced deportations,

00:35:43.580 this would remove...

00:35:43.900 Which is what the conservatives

00:35:44.560 are promising.

00:35:45.220 Yep, yes.

00:35:46.460 This would...

00:35:46.860 And what we think we could...

00:35:48.240 Would be a cautious estimate

00:35:49.900 on our part as well.

00:35:50.920 Three million would be removed

00:35:51.920 within a single parliament

00:35:52.680 which probably aren't even

00:35:53.400 three million here.

00:35:54.200 So it would take exactly three years

00:35:56.780 to deport 1.8 million

00:35:57.620 on that conservative estimate.

00:35:59.340 Then you've got to go down a bit.

00:36:00.980 Now it's worth saying

00:36:01.580 that Trump has achieved

00:36:02.380 a ratio of four to one.

00:36:03.720 So better.

00:36:04.680 Better.

00:36:05.080 So that's...

00:36:05.860 We go with that

00:36:07.240 and for our second realistic estimate

00:36:09.160 which is the one

00:36:09.620 we probably set most stock in.

00:36:11.320 So this assumes the same

00:36:12.200 150,000 forced deportations per year

00:36:13.800 but this time with a Trump-like

00:36:14.760 four to one ratio

00:36:15.520 of voluntary to involuntary.

00:36:16.800 This would see 3.75 million

00:36:18.520 deported within a single parliament.

00:36:19.640 Again, there probably aren't that many

00:36:20.520 so that's obvious overkill.

00:36:21.940 So suffice it to say then

00:36:22.760 that if you work that out

00:36:23.860 it comes to two years

00:36:25.660 and five months

00:36:26.220 to deport 1.8 million.

00:36:27.460 And then the daring estimate

00:36:28.320 which nevertheless is

00:36:29.380 based on a set

00:36:31.140 of fairly plausible variables.

00:36:32.500 Trump's four to one ratio

00:36:33.780 of voluntary to involuntary deportations

00:36:35.240 but this time

00:36:36.300 with a near perfect

00:36:37.080 detained to deport

00:36:38.060 conversion rate of 95%.

00:36:39.820 That reason why 95% yields

00:36:43.080 185,000

00:36:43.960 is because 95%

00:36:45.380 185,000 is 95% of 195,000

00:36:48.720 which is annual detention capacity

00:36:50.140 that we aspire to.

00:36:51.500 So if you get a 95% conversion rate

00:36:53.440 that would see people

00:36:54.320 1.8 million illegals deported

00:36:56.440 which we assume to be

00:36:57.140 roughly around the real number

00:36:58.120 in fewer than two years

00:36:59.440 one year and 11 months.

00:37:00.440 So that's

00:37:00.760 those are the basis

00:37:01.580 of our estimates

00:37:02.500 on the roadmap front.

00:37:03.840 Excellent.

00:37:04.400 And just a quick thing

00:37:05.460 I noticed that there are people

00:37:06.440 who have endorsed this.

00:37:07.760 They are.

00:37:08.260 William Cluston

00:37:08.980 of the Social Democrat Party

00:37:10.380 and a fellow

00:37:10.960 and what is he

00:37:12.500 on the advisory board

00:37:13.200 of Restore Britain as well.

00:37:14.060 Right.

00:37:14.400 And Sir Gavin Williamson

00:37:16.200 a Conservative MP.

00:37:17.520 Interesting.

00:37:18.240 Well it's good to see

00:37:19.320 the Conservatives

00:37:19.840 actually listening to someone.

00:37:21.600 So we'll have to end that there

00:37:23.100 and move on.

00:37:25.040 Okay.

00:37:26.100 Are we going to do any comments

00:37:27.080 or should I go straight into it?

00:37:27.800 I'll save them for the end.

00:37:28.700 Okay.

00:37:29.020 Just because

00:37:29.700 Sorry for the length of that segment.

00:37:31.780 That's all right.

00:37:32.500 It was a lot.

00:37:32.980 That was really interesting.

00:37:34.200 Yeah.

00:37:34.300 Yeah it was really good.

00:37:35.760 I'm basically talking about

00:37:36.740 political gossip

00:37:37.420 so it's fine.

00:37:40.320 So recently Robert Jenrick

00:37:42.320 made some comments

00:37:43.080 when he went to Birmingham

00:37:43.900 and I'm going to preface this

00:37:45.980 by saying that I disagree

00:37:47.000 with everything I've included

00:37:48.340 in this segment.

00:37:49.340 Everyone is wrong

00:37:50.040 except me

00:37:50.880 and I think

00:37:51.680 the panel is probably

00:37:52.700 going to agree here

00:37:53.600 that the entire discourse 0.97

00:37:55.540 is ridiculous 0.90

00:37:56.240 and it's quite frustrating. 0.99

00:37:57.860 It is quite obvious

00:37:59.080 why the Conservative Party

00:38:00.000 is dying

00:38:00.460 and why mainstream

00:38:01.580 journalism

00:38:02.720 is also on the wane

00:38:04.480 because they're just

00:38:05.680 missing it.

00:38:06.740 So the Guardian

00:38:07.740 obtained a recording

00:38:08.960 of Robert Jenrick

00:38:09.600 when he was in Birmingham

00:38:11.080 and he said the following

00:38:12.680 I went to Hansworth

00:38:13.860 in Birmingham

00:38:14.280 the other day

00:38:14.860 to do a video on litter

00:38:16.140 and it was absolutely appalling.

00:38:17.920 It's as close as I've come

00:38:18.820 to a slum in this country

00:38:19.960 but the other thing I noticed

00:38:21.540 was that it was

00:38:22.540 one of the worst

00:38:23.980 integrated places

00:38:24.860 I've ever been to.

00:38:26.320 In fact

00:38:26.740 in the hour and a half

00:38:27.920 I was filming

00:38:28.560 news there

00:38:30.020 I didn't see

00:38:30.960 another white face.

00:38:32.220 That's not the kind of country 0.73

00:38:33.140 I want to live in.

00:38:34.060 I want to live in a country

00:38:34.860 where people are properly

00:38:35.800 integrated.

00:38:37.200 It's not about the colour

00:38:37.940 of your skin

00:38:38.400 or your faith.

00:38:39.340 Of course it isn't

00:38:40.460 but I want people

00:38:41.400 to be living

00:38:41.900 alongside each other

00:38:42.780 not parallel lives.

00:38:44.040 That's not the right way

00:38:45.000 we want to live

00:38:46.260 as a country.

00:38:47.460 Now

00:38:47.640 I don't necessarily agree

00:38:49.640 with all of

00:38:50.460 what Jenrick said there.

00:38:52.420 So the first part

00:38:53.260 that Birmingham's horrible

00:38:54.240 I do agree with.

00:38:55.940 It's a surprise

00:38:56.760 that he found that

00:38:57.620 a surprise.

00:38:58.660 I know.

00:38:59.400 Has he seen pictures?

00:39:00.600 Were you not aware

00:39:01.720 of the 2021 census maps

00:39:03.780 or something?

00:39:04.680 Oh we'll be getting to those.

00:39:05.940 Sorry yeah yeah.

00:39:07.020 But the latter part

00:39:08.360 that

00:39:08.700 you know

00:39:10.320 it's even desirable

00:39:11.320 to have this form

00:39:12.900 of integration.

00:39:13.600 I think that

00:39:14.000 the multicultural experiment

00:39:15.000 has failed.

00:39:16.700 It's quite obvious

00:39:17.640 that it's an aspect

00:39:18.480 of human nature

00:39:19.080 that people seek out

00:39:20.000 people who are similar

00:39:20.820 to them

00:39:21.160 and live in

00:39:22.040 sort of enclaves

00:39:23.120 and you know

00:39:23.780 it's not necessarily

00:39:24.520 to criticise

00:39:25.260 ethnic minorities

00:39:26.020 because it's true

00:39:26.840 of Britons 0.77

00:39:27.440 and say Spain as well.

00:39:28.780 It's completely normal.

00:39:29.760 It's just how human beings

00:39:30.780 behave when they're

00:39:31.940 a minority

00:39:32.380 in another country

00:39:33.080 and it's perfectly natural

00:39:33.980 that people seek out

00:39:34.860 those who are similar

00:39:36.100 to them.

00:39:37.420 But I just don't...

00:39:38.040 It's a path

00:39:38.340 of least resistance

00:39:39.080 right?

00:39:39.680 Of course yeah.

00:39:40.360 There are people here

00:39:41.260 who I understand

00:39:41.960 who are familiar to me

00:39:43.160 and I'm going to get

00:39:43.680 goods and services

00:39:44.320 from them

00:39:44.800 because I can speak

00:39:45.760 their language

00:39:46.180 and I know

00:39:46.600 they're predictable.

00:39:47.400 It's just more pleasant

00:39:48.000 to live around people

00:39:48.700 like you basically.

00:39:50.460 Even with that added

00:39:52.100 it's still just functionally

00:39:53.640 a lot easier as well.

00:39:54.540 It's what Aristotle

00:39:55.220 who merits a restoration

00:39:56.400 I don't know if anyone's

00:39:57.360 working on such a project

00:39:58.420 I don't know

00:39:58.900 but they might be.

00:39:59.860 It's what Aristotle

00:40:00.540 would have called philia

00:40:01.480 the idea of strong

00:40:03.040 kinship bonds

00:40:03.940 being natural

00:40:04.480 between human beings

00:40:05.400 and so it's not

00:40:06.540 an aspect of human nature

00:40:07.680 that necessarily carries

00:40:09.600 with it any moral weight.

00:40:12.720 It's just something

00:40:13.420 that we do.

00:40:14.320 So if you go to

00:40:15.580 an African country

00:40:16.420 odds are you will find

00:40:18.140 a Lebanese enclave

00:40:19.020 where all of the Lebanese

00:40:20.520 are living next to each other

00:40:21.540 and staying away

00:40:23.220 from everybody else

00:40:24.020 and odds are you will find

00:40:25.980 at least one or two

00:40:27.060 neighborhoods

00:40:27.420 where the Europeans 0.76

00:40:28.740 all congregate

00:40:29.760 and live next to each other

00:40:30.800 and they go to

00:40:32.140 different restaurants

00:40:32.740 and they go to

00:40:33.200 different bars

00:40:33.700 and they try to live

00:40:36.240 separate lives

00:40:36.820 from each other

00:40:37.320 and they establish

00:40:38.460 different schools.

00:40:39.400 If you go to the UAE 0.93

00:40:40.580 everybody likes to

00:40:41.360 talk about the UAE

00:40:42.580 there is a British school

00:40:44.140 there is a French school

00:40:44.900 there is an Indian school

00:40:45.660 every single

00:40:46.480 ethnic group

00:40:47.840 has established

00:40:49.120 their own

00:40:49.980 separate bubble

00:40:51.660 while living in a

00:40:53.440 very diverse society.

00:40:54.920 They might be neighbors

00:40:55.620 but they don't interact

00:40:56.500 with each other

00:40:56.940 as neighbors

00:40:57.360 or as people

00:40:58.520 who have

00:40:59.100 common bonds.

00:41:00.220 So the West

00:41:03.320 is meant to be

00:41:03.980 the great exception

00:41:05.180 without understanding

00:41:06.740 what makes the West

00:41:07.780 exceptional

00:41:08.180 and it's just

00:41:09.540 completely unrealistic

00:41:10.380 to have this kind

00:41:11.080 of expectation.

00:41:11.760 And it's not

00:41:12.260 theoretical anymore

00:41:13.320 all of the evidence

00:41:14.000 on the ground

00:41:14.420 attests to this fact.

00:41:16.220 Exactly.

00:41:16.680 I mean this is precisely

00:41:17.560 what Jemrit got in trouble for.

00:41:18.920 Exactly.

00:41:19.360 Moreover the whole

00:41:20.600 integration thing

00:41:21.520 sorry I didn't ask

00:41:22.720 for this

00:41:23.220 actually I wanted

00:41:25.720 to just live normally

00:41:26.680 It's not in our interest

00:41:27.680 is it?

00:41:28.040 Whether our interest

00:41:29.320 or not

00:41:29.580 I didn't ask for this

00:41:30.320 we lived in a nice

00:41:30.980 little place

00:41:31.820 it was just normal

00:41:33.220 like 95% English

00:41:34.740 in 1991

00:41:35.480 and then suddenly

00:41:36.840 you're like no

00:41:37.220 you're going to have

00:41:37.660 to live next to

00:41:38.140 a bunch of foreigners 1.00

00:41:38.600 I'm not even saying

00:41:39.360 they're bad people

00:41:39.820 a lot of them

00:41:40.140 are not bad people

00:41:40.800 but revealed preferences

00:41:42.880 we move away

00:41:44.580 from that

00:41:45.160 and so okay

00:41:45.940 well they can form

00:41:46.560 their ethnic enclave

00:41:47.240 because there's space

00:41:48.220 made available for them

00:41:49.160 and expressed preference

00:41:50.020 and went until it was

00:41:50.660 crashed as well

00:41:51.220 Exactly

00:41:51.720 and I'm sorry

00:41:52.680 that that's just

00:41:53.320 the case that has happened

00:41:54.460 Well I mean

00:41:55.320 it's entirely obvious

00:41:56.280 if you look at

00:41:56.900 the 2021 census data

00:41:58.320 that many parts

00:41:59.100 of Birmingham

00:41:59.560 are now less than

00:42:01.120 10% white

00:42:01.700 this is just a screenshot

00:42:02.660 because I'm going to

00:42:04.540 go into more specifics

00:42:05.520 in the actual

00:42:06.520 census map itself

00:42:07.440 but you can see here

00:42:08.860 that much of the

00:42:10.000 centre of Birmingham

00:42:10.700 has basically been

00:42:11.680 Any of the light green

00:42:11.960 is like 10%

00:42:13.180 Yes

00:42:13.880 and so you can see

00:42:15.600 that this is true

00:42:16.460 of many major cities

00:42:17.700 it's true of even

00:42:18.400 London as well

00:42:18.980 It's true of Swindon

00:42:19.560 this is basically

00:42:20.280 what's happening in Swindon

00:42:21.140 where you notice

00:42:22.020 all around the edge

00:42:22.800 where it's very dark blue

00:42:23.780 that's almost 100% English

00:42:25.340 and the English

00:42:26.180 have just been like

00:42:26.660 OK well I won't live

00:42:27.380 in the city centre then

00:42:28.260 and it's exactly

00:42:29.320 the same in Swindon

00:42:30.040 if you look at the outside

00:42:30.800 it's all just this dark

00:42:31.760 blue ring

00:42:32.420 where the English

00:42:33.200 is just like

00:42:33.580 OK well I'm just going

00:42:34.220 to move a bit back

00:42:35.380 into the shire

00:42:36.060 because I didn't ask

00:42:37.380 to live next to

00:42:38.120 a bunch of foreigners 1.00

00:42:38.820 I just didn't ask for that

00:42:40.040 I want to live next

00:42:40.740 to people I understand

00:42:41.480 and it's completely normal

00:42:43.080 it's not prejudicial

00:42:44.100 it's just the way

00:42:45.160 as you said

00:42:45.560 it's filia

00:42:46.040 it's what you understand

00:42:47.500 you do it without thinking

00:42:49.000 I think you're really right

00:42:50.380 as well Josh

00:42:50.900 if I may say

00:42:51.360 to mention that

00:42:52.100 Genric though

00:42:52.720 of course he deserves credit

00:42:53.820 of putting his head

00:42:54.360 above the parapet

00:42:55.040 in this way

00:42:55.500 and making this comment

00:42:56.340 he is still

00:42:57.360 his implication

00:42:58.460 that integration

00:42:59.160 would be desirable

00:42:59.760 is still wrong

00:43:00.320 because we're talking here

00:43:01.220 as Carl's just been

00:43:02.140 delineating

00:43:02.840 but let's use an analogy

00:43:04.200 just to clinch the point

00:43:05.140 it would be like saying

00:43:06.300 oh yeah no

00:43:06.740 I know that a family

00:43:07.880 that you never asked

00:43:08.600 to be in your home

00:43:09.280 is now living there

00:43:10.200 and squatting there

00:43:11.060 but don't worry

00:43:11.640 you can put the pictures up

00:43:13.320 that you want

00:43:13.820 to be put up here

00:43:14.660 and they can have

00:43:15.380 their own little corner

00:43:16.240 of the sitting room

00:43:16.920 and you can choose

00:43:18.380 the kitchen table

00:43:19.000 they can choose the couch

00:43:19.860 no no no

00:43:20.560 why am I giving up

00:43:21.800 any of my house

00:43:22.620 to these people

00:43:23.140 like an unflinching

00:43:24.920 defence of the right

00:43:25.800 of the majority

00:43:26.460 to defend itself

00:43:27.780 maintain itself

00:43:28.500 and assert itself

00:43:29.280 non-violently

00:43:30.040 the conception of a nation

00:43:31.140 as a homeland

00:43:31.640 for its people

00:43:32.380 rather than

00:43:33.080 economic zone

00:43:33.920 right

00:43:34.320 so

00:43:35.000 crazy

00:43:36.620 crazy idea

00:43:37.420 here we can

00:43:38.080 can see

00:43:38.700 individual

00:43:39.380 areas of Birmingham

00:43:41.180 here

00:43:41.520 2.8%

00:43:42.600 white English

00:43:43.780 Welsh 0.92

00:43:44.120 Scottish

00:43:44.500 or Northern Irish

00:43:45.300 so

00:43:46.000 and most of the

00:43:46.900 when they

00:43:47.680 when they have

00:43:48.120 white British 0.54

00:43:49.040 it's just going to be

00:43:50.140 English as well

00:43:50.740 because obviously

00:43:51.200 Birmingham being

00:43:51.740 yeah and you can see

00:43:53.360 lots of them

00:43:54.160 are in

00:43:54.580 horrific

00:43:55.140 the low percentages

00:43:56.740 here

00:43:56.980 it's not just me

00:43:57.640 cherry picking

00:43:58.160 some of them

00:43:58.640 are slightly above

00:43:59.600 10%

00:44:00.180 85%

00:44:01.000 not English

00:44:01.680 this is crazy

00:44:02.880 and we should never

00:44:03.600 have allowed this

00:44:04.180 and it's happened

00:44:04.740 so rapidly

00:44:05.380 and this is what

00:44:06.680 I think

00:44:06.960 Generic was actually

00:44:07.720 getting at

00:44:08.180 is that

00:44:08.780 his notion

00:44:09.720 of integration

00:44:10.280 which I disagree

00:44:10.940 with

00:44:11.280 is that

00:44:12.660 there's still

00:44:13.100 got to be

00:44:13.620 some English

00:44:14.660 people

00:44:15.000 or British

00:44:15.420 people

00:44:15.800 or whatever

00:44:16.280 there

00:44:17.180 for it to be

00:44:18.180 integrated

00:44:18.880 if they're pushed

00:44:19.600 out

00:44:19.820 it doesn't

00:44:20.180 count as

00:44:20.520 integration

00:44:20.940 I would say

00:44:21.640 what are these people

00:44:21.660 degrading into

00:44:22.440 yeah well there's

00:44:24.020 nothing

00:44:24.320 they're just

00:44:24.700 supplanting

00:44:25.300 the native population

00:44:26.380 but I would argue

00:44:28.360 that this is

00:44:29.020 inevitable

00:44:29.480 because it's

00:44:30.100 the aspect of

00:44:30.600 human nature

00:44:31.060 that is immutable

00:44:31.740 and you can't

00:44:32.320 change it 0.99

00:44:32.840 and it's foolish 0.93

00:44:34.580 to even try 0.87

00:44:35.340 because it's so

00:44:36.460 deeply rooted

00:44:37.680 in our behaviour

00:44:38.500 it can't be overcome

00:44:39.600 nor should it be

00:44:40.800 yeah and even if

00:44:41.520 it could be

00:44:41.940 why should we have to

00:44:43.180 we shouldn't

00:44:43.860 there was nothing

00:44:44.400 immoral about it

00:44:45.200 there was nothing

00:44:45.600 unusual about it

00:44:46.400 unnatural about it

00:44:47.320 wrong about it

00:44:48.160 and every single

00:44:48.900 one of the people

00:44:49.400 who predominates

00:44:50.040 in these areas

00:44:50.560 defends that

00:44:51.840 principle

00:44:52.220 times 10

00:44:53.020 not gently

00:44:54.440 as we would

00:44:54.980 want to do

00:44:55.540 but pretty

00:44:57.540 pretty thorough

00:44:58.380 goingly in say

00:44:59.160 Pakistan or India 0.86

00:45:00.060 or wherever it

00:45:00.640 happens to be

00:45:01.300 and this is what

00:45:03.060 happened with the

00:45:04.020 stabbing in Manchester

00:45:05.100 the other day

00:45:05.720 you had a majority

00:45:06.800 Jewish neighbourhood

00:45:07.940 right next to a

00:45:08.640 majority Muslim

00:45:09.280 neighbourhood

00:45:09.600 they had actually

00:45:10.840 segregated themselves

00:45:11.840 under this very

00:45:12.700 same principle

00:45:13.260 of I want to

00:45:13.840 live around people

00:45:14.380 like me

00:45:14.860 it's a microcosm

00:45:16.140 of the Israel 0.70

00:45:16.820 Palestine conflict

00:45:17.440 precisely we

00:45:18.660 recreated it on

00:45:19.480 British soil

00:45:20.080 why not

00:45:20.520 and we're

00:45:20.860 surprised that

00:45:21.320 it happened

00:45:21.760 so memorise this

00:45:24.100 sort of distribution

00:45:25.700 in Birmingham

00:45:26.280 because we're going

00:45:27.100 to look at

00:45:27.660 economic inactivity

00:45:28.940 now and you

00:45:30.660 can see that

00:45:31.380 oh I didn't mean

00:45:32.340 to zoom in that

00:45:32.880 far but you can

00:45:34.320 see even in places

00:45:35.400 like London

00:45:36.260 okay it's very

00:45:37.440 diverse perhaps not

00:45:39.400 to the same degree

00:45:40.420 as some other parts

00:45:42.100 it has more white

00:45:43.600 British people in

00:45:44.440 London than in

00:45:45.540 Birmingham

00:45:45.900 no that's not

00:45:46.460 true

00:45:46.680 London's 37%

00:45:48.420 in this census

00:45:49.020 Birmingham's 42%

00:45:50.620 as in the city

00:45:51.900 centre I mean

00:45:52.620 yeah

00:45:53.140 as in I can go

00:45:55.180 back if you want

00:45:55.820 yeah yeah

00:45:56.140 I'll show you

00:45:57.060 oh what are you

00:45:58.260 doing

00:45:58.440 I'm absolutely

00:45:59.960 certain that

00:46:00.640 Samson what are you

00:46:02.200 doing

00:46:02.360 Oi

00:46:03.420 oh it wasn't you

00:46:05.740 no no it wasn't

00:46:06.700 but I wasn't touching

00:46:07.480 it either

00:46:07.820 that's weird

00:46:08.500 it's a ghost

00:46:09.160 yeah even the city

00:46:10.360 centre like

00:46:11.160 it's not like in

00:46:13.720 the few percentage

00:46:14.640 points though is it

00:46:15.720 well I think it

00:46:16.580 depends where you

00:46:17.160 drill down into

00:46:17.800 right

00:46:18.060 but anyway my

00:46:18.820 point being

00:46:19.440 you literally do

00:46:20.940 in some I mean

00:46:22.240 yeah okay

00:46:22.860 it's not the same

00:46:23.960 scale but the

00:46:24.900 point being that

00:46:26.000 economically it's

00:46:28.420 still not as

00:46:29.320 unproductive as a

00:46:30.980 place like Birmingham

00:46:31.740 which is even

00:46:32.420 further along and

00:46:33.100 the point being

00:46:33.920 here that you can

00:46:35.340 correlate the

00:46:36.180 displacement of the

00:46:36.920 white British with 0.77

00:46:37.600 economic inactivity

00:46:38.880 go ahead and

00:46:40.740 zoom in we can

00:46:41.540 see that the

00:46:42.280 inactivity mirrors

00:46:43.740 the spread of

00:46:44.820 basically diversity

00:46:45.880 the city centre is

00:46:47.720 the most economically

00:46:48.840 inactive and it's

00:46:50.740 quite significant

00:46:51.520 over 50% in many

00:46:52.700 places and

00:46:54.080 and this is

00:46:56.720 something that

00:46:57.640 is of course an

00:46:58.820 utter disaster

00:46:59.480 because one would

00:47:00.240 presume that a

00:47:01.060 city the whole

00:47:02.200 economic benefit of

00:47:03.180 having a city is

00:47:03.820 that it's centralised

00:47:04.760 and that it's

00:47:05.940 economically efficient

00:47:07.040 and so if your

00:47:07.900 city centre which

00:47:08.640 should be the

00:47:09.120 most economically

00:47:09.880 efficient area is

00:47:11.620 the most economically

00:47:12.860 inefficient it sort

00:47:13.940 of suggests a

00:47:14.820 massive problem here

00:47:15.680 doesn't it it

00:47:16.560 suggests that this

00:47:17.340 has failed maybe

00:47:18.560 which I think it

00:47:20.060 has

00:47:20.280 if the plan is to

00:47:22.300 destroy Britain then 0.61

00:47:23.140 it's going excellently

00:47:24.160 yeah it's fantastic

00:47:25.260 so moving on to

00:47:29.400 this he did double

00:47:30.400 down on what he

00:47:30.980 said unlike many

00:47:32.780 other politicians

00:47:33.460 he didn't go in and

00:47:34.260 grovel and apologise

00:47:35.000 which is worth

00:47:35.780 mentioning because

00:47:36.700 there are many people

00:47:37.540 calling for him to

00:47:38.560 do that and there

00:47:40.860 was a wide range of

00:47:42.180 reactions from the

00:47:43.000 left and let's have 0.66

00:47:43.900 a look at it

00:47:44.440 can I just say

00:47:45.060 something the problem

00:47:46.020 with him doubling

00:47:46.520 down on this is he's

00:47:47.860 doubling down on the

00:47:48.760 2000s colourblind

00:47:50.300 consensus that's the

00:47:51.540 problem he's saying

00:47:53.020 well look you know if

00:47:53.960 we want integration if

00:47:55.060 we want multiculturalism

00:47:56.280 there has to be some

00:47:57.140 of ours and some of

00:47:57.920 theirs right and it's

00:47:58.980 like yeah okay sure

00:48:00.040 but why do we have to

00:48:01.440 give up our second

00:48:02.340 city to a bunch of

00:48:03.740 people who are not

00:48:04.360 from this country we

00:48:05.120 should have our own

00:48:05.660 corner of the

00:48:06.120 sitting room exactly

00:48:07.200 exactly yeah that's

00:48:08.500 my chair you know

00:48:09.780 why are you not sat

00:48:10.640 in your chair it's

00:48:11.500 like sorry you don't

00:48:12.220 even live in this

00:48:12.840 house exactly yeah

00:48:14.580 sorry so we had

00:48:17.240 Labour MPs like

00:48:18.920 Paulette Hamilton

00:48:19.740 who I think grew up

00:48:22.460 in Hansworth yes

00:48:23.760 said represented it

00:48:25.740 for 18 years and she

00:48:26.520 was basically just

00:48:27.120 inviting him to have a

00:48:28.160 you know have a tour

00:48:30.420 and meet a mum which

00:48:31.760 is probably that's

00:48:32.600 not going to show

00:48:33.080 him a white face is

00:48:33.960 it what are you

00:48:35.240 doing you're completely

00:48:36.680 wrong because she was 0.56

00:48:38.100 reacting to the slum

00:48:39.120 comment which I think

00:48:40.000 is the least controversial

00:48:41.400 of the lot yeah that's

00:48:42.700 something that everyone

00:48:43.480 is aware anyone with a

00:48:44.520 functioning pair of eyes

00:48:45.300 can tell that it's a

00:48:46.100 slum okay it's not

00:48:47.300 in strikes going on

00:48:48.880 and everyone's favourite

00:48:50.620 dyslexic loader seat

00:48:51.500 have pointed out that

00:48:52.480 all of the rubbish on

00:48:54.580 the side of the road

00:48:55.140 this wasn't a problem in

00:48:56.160 Britain beforehand and

00:48:57.840 it's starting to look

00:48:58.720 it's like if you're using

00:49:01.160 street for you and you

00:49:02.100 drop it anywhere in 1.00

00:49:03.020 India you see rubbish 1.00

00:49:04.120 everywhere and it's the 0.99

00:49:05.280 same thing it's become

00:49:06.340 just a product of the

00:49:08.400 people who have moved

00:49:09.120 there which is very

00:49:10.100 unsurprising and yes

00:49:12.440 obviously check out

00:49:13.400 the channel so the

00:49:16.800 Guardian accused him of

00:49:18.160 toxic nationalism this is

00:49:20.140 the headline they went

00:49:20.800 with it was actually

00:49:21.540 don't want a segregated

00:49:22.900 Lebanese community thank

00:49:24.440 you it was toxic

00:49:25.520 nationalism basically

00:49:26.480 the bishop of Birmingham

00:49:27.980 that said this he said

00:49:29.940 these the comments

00:49:32.060 have the potential to

00:49:33.020 generate anxiety and

00:49:34.140 stir up division and

00:49:35.280 can feed into harmful

00:49:36.260 narratives that provides

00:49:37.320 fuel for a fire of

00:49:38.760 toxic nationalism

00:49:39.880 what does that even

00:49:40.980 like anxiety fuel a

00:49:43.240 fire what does that

00:49:43.920 even mean in practical

00:49:45.060 terms it's don't upset

00:49:46.360 it's it's it's

00:49:47.520 verbiage intended to

00:49:49.100 form part of a war

00:49:50.560 I'm noticing I lived

00:49:52.260 in Whitechapel a very

00:49:53.820 Bangladeshi area

00:49:54.800 unfortunately it was

00:49:56.240 very convenient for

00:49:57.020 where I was working

00:49:57.980 and I had first I had

00:50:00.420 a sharia patrol outside

00:50:01.380 my house then there

00:50:03.540 was the fact that I

00:50:04.340 had people knocking on

00:50:05.360 my door on a Friday

00:50:06.160 asking me if I was

00:50:07.040 going to mosque and

00:50:08.380 the third was that the 0.99

00:50:09.420 amount of rubbish

00:50:10.840 strewn on the street

00:50:12.160 in what should be prime

00:50:13.400 real estate for people

00:50:14.240 want to get to the city

00:50:15.320 was just insane and

00:50:18.120 then there's the sort

00:50:18.960 of Bangladeshi markets

00:50:19.880 where you kind of go

00:50:20.720 what the hell is that

00:50:21.940 and the idea that

00:50:25.960 you're not allowed to

00:50:27.400 say any of this stuff

00:50:28.500 is offensive you're

00:50:30.000 meant to apply a

00:50:30.840 permanent filter that

00:50:31.940 prevents you from

00:50:33.640 noticing the

00:50:34.520 transformation that

00:50:35.340 you're seeing yes and

00:50:37.420 I don't understand

00:50:39.360 it's a defense of the

00:50:40.680 status quo they are

00:50:41.960 happy their model for

00:50:43.240 the country is

00:50:43.960 Birmingham is

00:50:44.680 Whitechapel and if

00:50:45.780 you object to that

00:50:46.500 then you're feeling

00:50:47.940 toxic nationalism as

00:50:49.500 if I mean God if

00:50:50.320 only Robert Jenrick

00:50:51.060 was he was nearly the

00:50:53.800 monster they were

00:50:54.680 painting him to be but

00:50:55.520 no you know it's 1.00

00:50:57.020 pathetic and I hate 1.00

00:50:58.300 this argument oh 1.00

00:50:59.260 you're stoking division 1.00

00:51:00.180 yeah you're damn 0.94

00:51:00.800 right I am right 0.65

00:51:01.600 because there's a

00:51:02.160 conflict going on here

00:51:03.100 there's division whether

00:51:04.120 we like it or not

00:51:04.920 exactly there's two

00:51:05.980 visions of the world

00:51:06.740 there's ours and

00:51:07.420 there's yours and I

00:51:08.300 want that division 0.98

00:51:09.040 because we're going to

00:51:09.780 win what division

00:51:10.920 means is a conflict

00:51:11.800 that gets resolved

00:51:12.600 through whatever means

00:51:13.600 you know for us it'll

00:51:14.300 be at the ballot box

00:51:15.160 because we are a

00:51:16.600 democracy whether

00:51:17.200 people like it or not

00:51:18.060 and we're going to

00:51:18.740 win we're going to

00:51:19.720 win this easily in

00:51:20.880 fact Nigel Farage

00:51:21.780 isn't even anywhere

00:51:22.960 near what they're

00:51:24.380 painting him to be

00:51:25.340 and people are voting

00:51:26.120 for him on those

00:51:26.920 grounds yeah right

00:51:28.060 like they like

00:51:29.340 Keir Starmer said

00:51:29.920 it's a war for the

00:51:30.800 soul of the country

00:51:31.300 Nigel Farage represents

00:51:32.420 little England and all

00:51:33.520 this sort of stuff

00:51:33.840 it's like not really

00:51:34.760 but free advertising

00:51:35.960 really but that's

00:51:36.500 what they think he

00:51:37.280 represents that well

00:51:37.980 they think they

00:51:38.800 project it onto him

00:51:39.580 and so yeah we're

00:51:40.280 going to win this

00:51:40.900 a quick word on the

00:51:41.600 war noticing I think

00:51:42.220 you're absolutely right

00:51:42.800 for us but the thing

00:51:43.640 is that and you know

00:51:44.880 this of course but

00:51:45.640 they're not starting

00:51:46.520 this war today it's a

00:51:47.720 war that they have 0.65

00:51:48.940 been waging for a

00:51:50.340 started with the

00:51:50.940 race relations act

00:51:51.860 of 1965

00:51:52.500 wherever you want to

00:51:53.420 date it from it

00:51:54.040 so in the immediate

00:51:55.140 post-war period

00:51:55.900 that's how you ended

00:51:56.700 up with this

00:51:57.240 yeah well quite but

00:51:58.280 the thing is is that

00:51:58.900 people have these

00:52:00.260 patient these taboos

00:52:01.940 are these sort of

00:52:03.540 blunt instruments

00:52:04.140 toxic nationalism

00:52:04.980 racism fascism and

00:52:06.200 far right they have

00:52:07.080 grown completely blunt

00:52:08.540 through overuse over a

00:52:09.740 long time period

00:52:10.360 and then you also

00:52:11.420 throw in the fact that

00:52:12.200 social media has just

00:52:13.060 blown this wide open

00:52:13.900 so the idea that you

00:52:14.640 can stop people from

00:52:15.880 seeing the consequences

00:52:17.060 of policy is absurd at

00:52:18.320 this point you can

00:52:18.940 lie Alistair Campbell

00:52:20.020 and Rory Stewart and

00:52:21.520 James O'Brien they can

00:52:22.220 bemoan the fact that

00:52:23.340 they're doing Britain 0.94

00:52:24.060 down all they like but

00:52:24.860 we see the evidence of

00:52:25.980 our own eyes in a way

00:52:26.720 that when you lived in

00:52:27.700 sort of Hugh Grant's

00:52:28.620 90s Britain and a lot

00:52:29.720 of this wasn't as

00:52:30.420 immediately visible

00:52:31.240 love actually Britain

00:52:31.940 it actually made a bit

00:52:33.900 more sense intuitively

00:52:34.760 for people to say well

00:52:35.620 yeah no we shouldn't be

00:52:36.360 too judgmental about

00:52:37.720 certain groups and all

00:52:38.440 the rest of it that

00:52:38.980 maybe there aren't

00:52:39.460 group differences because

00:52:40.380 I'm sort of living in

00:52:41.140 this lovely little but

00:52:42.060 now that we don't live

00:52:42.760 in that world it is

00:52:43.540 just unsustainable for

00:52:44.360 them to have this taboo

00:52:45.560 and for them to expect

00:52:46.360 it to work anymore

00:52:47.180 and it's just further

00:52:48.100 radicalizing people

00:52:48.800 have you seen

00:52:49.040 radicalizing people

00:52:50.080 yeah exactly and then

00:52:51.980 crucially this is the

00:52:52.520 last point people feel

00:52:54.300 up against it

00:52:55.160 demographically with

00:52:56.000 people are increasingly

00:52:57.000 aware of the demographic

00:52:58.000 projections and there

00:52:59.240 will come a point and I

00:52:59.980 would argue we're already

00:53:00.640 there where people sort

00:53:02.380 of you know that sort of

00:53:03.120 graph it's like save

00:53:04.780 western civilization get

00:53:05.780 called racist don't save

00:53:06.960 western civilization still

00:53:07.960 get called racist yeah

00:53:09.020 the more the more that

00:53:10.780 becomes an apparent choice

00:53:11.960 to people the more they're

00:53:12.820 just going to take these

00:53:13.680 comments on the chin and

00:53:14.900 that's why Nigel Farage is

00:53:15.920 35 percent after Keir

00:53:17.780 Starmer declared him to

00:53:18.800 be the enemy of the 0.85

00:53:19.540 regime yeah and that he

00:53:20.960 represents this this

00:53:22.080 horrific nativism and

00:53:23.660 everyone's like oh

00:53:24.060 brilliant okay I will

00:53:24.780 vote for him then so

00:53:25.860 yeah he could he could

00:53:27.480 be at 50 percent if you

00:53:28.860 were to sort of take a

00:53:29.580 couple of more steps to

00:53:30.340 the right I agree with

00:53:31.260 you do you watch your

00:53:32.760 enemies conjure you up

00:53:33.680 to be well look it's

00:53:36.540 where's the loss in the

00:53:37.580 polls like it's pushing

00:53:39.340 him up in the polls when

00:53:40.240 they call him a racist

00:53:41.120 anyway so um obviously

00:53:43.580 the usual suspects are

00:53:44.620 calling it racist um not

00:53:46.440 really that notable um

00:53:48.280 they're also appealing to

00:53:50.040 local residents of course

00:53:51.000 the local residents aren't

00:53:52.060 exactly going to look at

00:53:52.980 the displaced natives I

00:53:54.300 don't understand the

00:53:55.000 language you're using

00:53:55.700 speak to me a bit nasty

00:53:57.620 of him to go for a

00:53:58.320 pre-osempic picture as

00:53:59.380 well I think and um Keir

00:54:02.700 Starmer said uh generic is

00:54:04.340 hard to take seriously which

00:54:05.820 is not saying much I think

00:54:07.140 his popularity boosted

00:54:08.540 comments what that's

00:54:10.640 ridiculous I mean I

00:54:11.820 didn't be who takes 0.97

00:54:12.500 Keir Starmer seriously

00:54:13.480 yeah I know by insulting

00:54:15.100 someone he's only making

00:54:15.980 them more popular so he's 0.99

00:54:17.400 foolish to even do this 0.98

00:54:18.360 in his first place 1.00

00:54:18.920 and uh a former

00:54:21.860 conservative mayor of

00:54:22.980 Birmingham um said that

00:54:24.660 it's actually a very

00:54:25.420 integrated place not the

00:54:27.920 definition of a slum which

00:54:29.460 is just denial it's it's

00:54:32.000 worth remembering that the

00:54:33.120 census was done before the

00:54:34.440 Boris wave as well yes so

00:54:36.280 this was how things were

00:54:37.460 before they decided actually

00:54:38.900 we need millions more

00:54:39.860 and picture and also

00:54:40.840 Birmingham I host a lot of

00:54:42.340 Indians and Pakistanis we

00:54:43.700 were talking about the

00:54:44.380 reality of philia as an

00:54:46.120 aspect of human nature if

00:54:47.460 I was an Indian and I

00:54:48.160 moved to Britain I despite

00:54:49.720 the fact that India is a 1.00

00:54:50.560 bit of a slum I probably 0.78

00:54:51.220 would move there so it

00:54:52.900 presumably a lot of the

00:54:53.660 Boris wave in other words

00:54:54.340 has found itself in a

00:54:55.300 Birmingham yeah and uh

00:54:57.960 your sort of quintessential

00:54:59.720 platonic ideal of a woke

00:55:01.340 professor also agrees with

00:55:02.820 this um you know she's 0.93

00:55:04.220 even got pink hair this is

00:55:05.500 superb make them defend

00:55:06.680 Birmingham but that's yeah

00:55:08.180 no Birmingham is their 0.99

00:55:09.080 model yeah that's the

00:55:09.640 well she's a professor at

00:55:11.080 the University of

00:55:11.760 Birmingham I think that's

00:55:12.620 incredible why she's 1.00

00:55:13.140 doing it she wades

00:55:14.740 through the rubbish on

00:55:15.540 her way to work I know 0.99

00:55:16.700 brilliant diverse vibrant

00:55:18.160 city but how is she into

00:55:19.640 science when her

00:55:20.500 rejection of the evidence

00:55:21.480 is so comprehensive

00:55:22.240 wow that's all ideology

00:55:23.700 these days isn't it

00:55:24.700 yeah Carl we were in

00:55:25.860 Birmingham not too long

00:55:26.580 ago was it a nice place

00:55:27.840 yeah but on the drive in

00:55:29.880 yeah yeah we were just

00:55:30.680 like wow there are no

00:55:31.620 white people around here

00:55:32.560 at all and there was I

00:55:33.920 saw one guy on his bike

00:55:35.340 and it's like he'd been

00:55:36.420 taken out of time or

00:55:37.400 something so he's like

00:55:38.120 wearing all the cycling

00:55:38.900 equipment yeah and it's

00:55:39.940 just like you know women 1.00

00:55:40.720 in burqas pushing 1.00

00:55:42.340 wheelchairs and then this

00:55:43.400 one ginger white guy on

00:55:44.600 his bike and it's like

00:55:45.220 probably listening to the

00:55:46.780 rest is politics

00:55:47.520 yeah yeah yeah

00:55:48.740 when why were you in

00:55:50.940 Birmingham just doing

00:55:51.820 oh we had a conference

00:55:52.660 oh you did a conference

00:55:53.180 there yeah for some

00:55:53.800 reason they decided to

00:55:54.500 torture us with it

00:55:55.120 but it's a nice venue

00:55:56.280 though it was a lovely

00:55:57.100 venue just in the

00:55:58.160 skeleton of former

00:55:58.960 Birmingham yeah yeah

00:55:59.740 and um you even get

00:56:01.560 things like this thank the

00:56:02.900 Tories for keeping Robert

00:56:03.900 Jenrick out of high

00:56:04.940 office well done

00:56:06.000 Financial Times see it

00:56:07.260 was it was Boris trying

00:56:08.480 to placate the Financial

00:56:09.460 Times that brought in 0.67

00:56:10.200 the Boris wave in the

00:56:10.880 first place he literally

00:56:12.100 admitted it and thank you

00:56:13.920 Financial Times this is

00:56:14.920 why no one reads you

00:56:15.620 anymore and uh here's

00:56:18.260 another one Robert

00:56:18.960 Jenrick urged to

00:56:19.800 apologize for disgraceful

00:56:21.260 integration comments um

00:56:22.960 this is just the usual

00:56:24.660 talking heads trying to

00:56:27.000 make people apologize

00:56:27.860 because it gives them

00:56:28.580 power over them and then

00:56:30.120 you have this from the

00:56:31.320 BBC you don't have to be

00:56:32.640 white to be English 0.75

00:56:33.600 which of course

00:56:34.300 this was from what's

00:56:35.540 her name there right

00:56:36.180 there Rani Rauji

00:56:38.100 typical English 0.85

00:56:39.720 and it's also written

00:56:40.320 by Tanya Gupta and

00:56:41.980 Ada Fofana

00:56:43.200 have you actually looked

00:56:44.420 through this article

00:56:44.960 I have yes I'm going

00:56:45.740 to get back to it

00:56:46.220 okay so first and

00:56:47.840 foremost I want to

00:56:48.400 point out that back in

00:56:49.660 2015 in more normal

00:56:51.160 times the Independent

00:56:52.580 published things like

00:56:53.380 this and if we have a

00:56:54.100 better view of this

00:56:54.820 graph you can see a

00:56:55.900 distinct uh ethnic

00:56:57.680 profile of the English

00:56:59.000 here we can see the

00:57:00.180 borders of the Celtic

00:57:01.360 lands of Scotland

00:57:02.320 Wales and and you 0.78

00:57:03.860 know Devon and

00:57:04.320 Cornwall these are

00:57:05.720 distinct from England

00:57:07.060 genetically and

00:57:08.420 culturally somewhat at

00:57:09.660 least in the case of

00:57:10.960 Devon at least um but

00:57:13.800 we can see that the

00:57:14.620 English do exist as a

00:57:15.820 genetic thing and you

00:57:17.560 can't really define that

00:57:18.760 away if you can see it

00:57:20.740 in genetics and it's

00:57:21.840 it's on these genetic

00:57:22.700 maps that are perfectly

00:57:23.980 mainstream to the point

00:57:25.200 where the Independent was

00:57:26.580 more than happy to

00:57:27.240 publish it even though it

00:57:28.000 did have um coded

00:57:29.780 headline it does yes it's

00:57:31.120 obviously left and coded

00:57:32.380 but it's also missing

00:57:34.260 the point I I love the

00:57:35.520 subtitle white English

00:57:36.700 share 40% of their DNA

00:57:38.140 with the French that

00:57:39.900 alien race from across

00:57:41.080 the oceans it's not even

00:57:42.040 true either we don't

00:57:43.160 share 40% of our DNA

00:57:44.300 with the French it's also

00:57:45.580 not an impressive

00:57:46.120 like 10,000 years makes

00:57:47.460 it look really really

00:57:48.100 like oh man this is a

00:57:48.800 huge deal the the

00:57:51.000 continent in Britain at

00:57:51.980 that time like before

00:57:53.040 then was frozen over

00:57:54.140 because of because of

00:57:55.820 an ice age so like

00:57:56.580 there was a sort of

00:57:57.480 genetic uh like blank

00:57:59.320 slate if you like uh

00:58:00.740 that makes it actually

00:58:01.640 easier for for geneticists

00:58:03.700 to study the genetic

00:58:05.160 history of the British

00:58:05.640 Isles and it is just

00:58:06.780 remark a remarkably

00:58:07.720 homogeneous story until

00:58:08.980 1948 I mean the fact

00:58:10.520 that literally our sort

00:58:11.680 of closest like foreign

00:58:12.740 neighbor being the 0.97

00:58:13.480 French and it's only 40

00:58:14.780 percent similarity yeah

00:58:15.900 well that's crazy a

00:58:17.140 very very high estimate

00:58:18.420 like you know the

00:58:19.460 Norman French really had 0.99

00:58:21.180 an imprint it's only they're

00:58:22.420 probably amplifying just

00:58:23.980 the similarities of the

00:58:25.740 like the beaker folk 1.00

00:58:26.820 but if you think about

00:58:27.780 the kind of people that

00:58:28.580 have happened to make

00:58:29.260 those nations come about

00:58:30.200 so you've got the

00:58:31.200 Germanic um Franks yeah 0.92

00:58:33.500 over the Celtic Gauls and

00:58:35.600 you've got the Germanic

00:58:36.700 Saxons over the Celtic 0.97

00:58:38.240 Britons and they're only 1.00

00:58:39.500 40 percent the same that's

00:58:41.500 actually in all of the

00:58:43.600 respects you would expect

00:58:45.100 these people to basically

00:58:45.860 be identical in every way

00:58:48.220 like they probably would

00:58:49.120 have been able to

00:58:49.500 understand one another's

00:58:50.480 language when the two

00:58:52.020 when the tribes were moving

00:58:53.180 into these different areas

00:58:54.360 even you know so I'm

00:58:56.320 going to make a much

00:58:57.000 more problematic point

00:58:58.980 oh good um I think

00:59:01.740 with chimpanzees there is

00:59:03.720 a 99 percent overlap in

00:59:06.980 genetics 97 percent with

00:59:08.700 gorillas and 94 percent

00:59:10.340 with bonobos with

00:59:11.160 hemisapiens yeah um so

00:59:13.380 tiny differences when the

00:59:17.040 similarity is that like if

00:59:18.960 you're 99 percent similar

00:59:21.200 DNA to a chimp that means 1.00

00:59:23.220 that that remaining one

00:59:24.140 percent has insane

00:59:25.820 significance well we share

00:59:27.060 60 percent of our genes

00:59:28.300 with a banana there you go

00:59:30.000 so small variations here

00:59:32.540 have an enormous impact but

00:59:35.380 they try to brush over that

00:59:36.840 by saying oh 40 percent is

00:59:38.400 huge yeah this is sorry so

00:59:40.520 there's a level of there's a

00:59:43.200 there's a slight of hand

00:59:44.340 involved there's a bit of

00:59:45.320 dishonesty and disingenuity

00:59:46.480 involved because highly

00:59:49.060 differences turn out to be

00:59:51.800 important enough to make you

00:59:53.340 into an entirely different

00:59:54.480 species yes yeah so so like I

00:59:58.340 hate this manipulation of

00:59:59.440 the numbers I'm a catholic I

01:00:00.660 believe we're all created by

01:00:01.520 god fair enough but I don't

01:00:03.520 like dishonesty because I'm

01:00:04.860 a catholic

01:00:05.280 usually there's no such thing

01:00:09.540 as sort of perfect ethnic 0.89

01:00:11.420 purity but that doesn't mean

01:00:12.380 that there aren't very very

01:00:13.880 consequential degrees of

01:00:15.620 homogeneity an example I like to

01:00:16.920 use is that technically apples

01:00:19.820 share quite a lot of quite a

01:00:21.760 bit of genetic overlap with

01:00:22.700 killer whales right but but

01:00:24.380 that doesn't make that doesn't

01:00:25.800 make killer whales at home in

01:00:26.780 the fruit bowl you know but

01:00:28.280 but that's they're slightly

01:00:29.460 closer to oranges so

01:00:30.460 oranges do look a bit more at

01:00:31.420 home in the fruit bowl so

01:00:32.020 these these degrees do matter

01:00:33.320 and they're extremely

01:00:33.820 significant but then second

01:00:34.740 just because a population

01:00:35.780 moves in usually quite a small

01:00:37.040 population an elite population

01:00:38.240 like the normans I think a

01:00:39.780 five percent demographic

01:00:40.600 population shift as a result of

01:00:41.780 the norman conquest that's about

01:00:42.800 right it didn't send them all

01:00:43.800 in no we would no one would

01:00:45.340 ever say that india doesn't

01:00:46.620 exist because the british were

01:00:47.660 there in a small proportions

01:00:49.180 ruling it administratively not

01:00:51.640 really demographically for

01:00:52.980 however many centuries better

01:00:54.640 half of three centuries um it

01:00:56.580 would be absurd to claim that

01:00:57.540 and similarly the normans have

01:00:58.680 actually had very little

01:00:59.360 genetic impact on the british

01:01:00.740 isles had more influence on

01:01:01.940 our language than our

01:01:02.660 certainly certainly they did

01:01:03.740 yes so um oh yes you and i

01:01:05.240 have discussed this before

01:01:05.860 haven't we we have yes um the

01:01:07.960 sake of time then let's carry

01:01:08.900 on sorry yep um so this is

01:01:11.380 what you're alluding to it is

01:01:12.280 yeah i love this guy um so

01:01:13.780 based marij khan said the

01:01:16.120 area was a slum and he was 0.99

01:01:17.600 not offended by the comments

01:01:18.580 because they were true there

01:01:19.900 he is looking very serious

01:01:21.580 good on him um yeah mr khan

01:01:25.420 said he only saw asian and

01:01:27.380 black people adding i never 0.98

01:01:28.380 saw a white face around here

01:01:29.760 there were however white

01:01:30.980 people living in the area he

01:01:32.220 said but they tended not to

01:01:33.300 be british um it could be

01:01:35.040 inevitable west come to think

01:01:35.960 of that yeah that's true

01:01:36.940 um as for the area's

01:01:39.640 appearance he added there was

01:01:40.700 garbage everywhere a bit of an 1.00

01:01:41.960 american import there um rubbish 1.00

01:01:43.700 please um with multiple people 1.00

01:01:45.520 living in single houses

01:01:46.660 sometimes three or four families

01:01:47.800 in one property he claimed that

01:01:49.540 sort of qualifies as a slum in

01:01:50.820 my mind uh mr khan stated that

01:01:52.760 if there was integration in the

01:01:53.920 area you would see faces of

01:01:55.180 every other color which is you

01:01:56.780 know great point yeah mr khan is

01:01:58.340 correct

01:01:58.880 mm-hmm everyone else is lying

01:02:00.820 very true like literally like so

01:02:03.320 so you come back to the headline

01:02:04.500 like oh you don't have to be

01:02:05.300 white to be english says indian

01:02:06.600 woman it's like who cares about 1.00

01:02:08.060 your opinion on him you're lying

01:02:09.720 you know mr khan is telling the

01:02:11.360 truth

01:02:11.660 can you be white and indian like

01:02:13.980 aside from question yeah is is

01:02:15.480 roger kipling india's greatest

01:02:16.780 poet yes or no yes

01:02:18.340 sorry i'm being facetious i don't

01:02:21.760 want to give him up no he's

01:02:22.520 england's greatest poet um

01:02:23.680 anyway the tory party funnily

01:02:25.600 enough the the sort of slowly

01:02:27.240 marching skeleton of the tory

01:02:28.760 party um was divided on this

01:02:30.480 kemi badnock did defend

01:02:31.780 generic and said it was just an

01:02:33.240 observation who who cares

01:02:34.680 really which is you know fair

01:02:36.340 enough um but then mel stride

01:02:38.720 who is a political non-entity um

01:02:41.140 slapped it down and uh rebuked it

01:02:43.720 and this is of course causing a

01:02:45.380 split because she's in the 1.00

01:02:46.400 cabinet which is interesting

01:02:47.940 mel is a bloke really yeah it's

01:02:52.020 difficult to tell the tory party

01:02:53.440 i don't can't believe you're a

01:02:56.380 level of prejudice how could you

01:02:57.960 judge how do you know how do you

01:02:59.740 even check like seriously did you

01:03:01.920 ask did you ask about their

01:03:03.260 pronouns

01:03:03.800 jokes aside there there shouldn't

01:03:06.840 be a single person in the

01:03:07.660 conservative party who should

01:03:08.600 consider this in any way

01:03:09.760 remarkable and if anyone's like

01:03:11.680 oh you can't say that well that's

01:03:12.740 it you're not a conservative

01:03:13.520 get to the look down that's the

01:03:14.600 thing uh if generic were to

01:03:16.300 become leader which seems to be

01:03:17.700 quite probable there is he needs 0.98

01:03:19.000 to kick all those he has the 0.93

01:03:20.360 opportunity to sort of kick out 0.94

01:03:22.200 all of these people and if he

01:03:23.280 were to be brilliant like there is

01:03:25.000 no point in there being that

01:03:26.440 many conservative mps in

01:03:27.460 parliament right now he could

01:03:28.580 just remove the whip from a

01:03:29.660 bunch of them and he could purge

01:03:32.000 the party before going into a

01:03:33.760 2029 election which would

01:03:35.580 actually improve the party to no

01:03:36.960 end uh if if you wanted to do

01:03:39.280 something a little bit creative a

01:03:40.840 little bit bold yeah let's see

01:03:42.240 where he goes

01:03:42.800 okay well this did have an article

01:03:44.800 talking about how the party chair

01:03:46.140 um agreed with him but never mind

01:03:47.700 it's gone apparently he doesn't

01:03:49.240 anymore but anyway my point is

01:03:51.240 that everyone in this story is

01:03:53.340 wrong um that this is apart from

01:03:55.940 mr khan who was completely

01:03:57.140 correct him yeah sorry based mr

01:03:59.500 khan so yeah except mr khan and

01:04:01.440 obviously the panel here us

01:04:03.020 talking about it um obviously

01:04:05.420 birmingham's a slum obviously

01:04:07.520 it's a terrible place to live

01:04:08.600 obviously is not an integration

01:04:10.680 success story if all of the natives

01:04:12.280 have been displaced as is true of

01:04:14.680 lots of other areas of britain so

01:04:16.900 even pursuing integration as a goal

01:04:19.220 it's foolish because it's against

01:04:20.480 human nature what's the uh 0.99

01:04:22.960 billions must die meme again

01:04:24.300 the face oh the the chud yeah the 0.99

01:04:27.860 chud yeah i love that it's you

01:04:29.340 know indian chud who's like you 1.00

01:04:30.940 know no britain has fallen there

01:04:33.120 are no white people here they're

01:04:34.200 all foreigners i was like okay

01:04:35.580 yeah good point anyway let's let's

01:04:37.280 move on sorry we're not going to

01:04:38.040 read the comments folks this i

01:04:39.200 allowed the first segment to go way

01:04:40.940 over time so it's my fault let's

01:04:43.040 carry on so um i don't want to

01:04:45.060 talk about the geopolitics of

01:04:46.920 israel and gaza um they've

01:04:49.580 apparently agreed to the first

01:04:52.300 phase of a ceasefire let's see

01:04:53.860 where it goes um people are

01:04:56.200 celebrating it they're quite happy

01:04:57.980 they're celebrating in tel aviv

01:04:59.100 they're celebrating in gaza

01:05:00.240 just as a quick thing this i i've

01:05:02.620 actually seen james o'brien

01:05:04.040 defending donald trump on his show

01:05:05.620 today i need to pinch myself i know

01:05:07.820 because i think i'm losing my mind

01:05:09.320 i know but it's because donald trump

01:05:11.280 is obviously taking credit for all of

01:05:12.880 this yes and lots of people on the

01:05:14.780 pro-palestine side like okay i'm just

01:05:16.940 glad that israel isn't doing what 0.99

01:05:18.900 they're doing now so donald trump is

01:05:20.420 actually becoming something of a kind

01:05:21.440 of a hero to the left i thought i'd

01:05:23.240 i'd seen a pig flying i know right so

01:05:26.120 good on him so leaders from other

01:05:29.520 countries on and leaders that are very

01:05:31.320 distinguished leaders and we'll have a

01:05:33.740 board and one of the people that wants

01:05:36.360 to be on the board is the uk former

01:05:38.780 prime minister tony blair good man very

01:05:41.220 good man ignoring the good man detail

01:05:45.900 uh tony blair is going to be a big part

01:05:49.960 of the governance of gaza and the future

01:05:51.980 and my argument in this segment is that

01:05:54.620 what happens in gaza if this plan

01:05:56.680 actually is implemented which is by no

01:05:58.580 means guaranteed and and we'll see how

01:06:00.220 that plays out but what happens in gaza

01:06:02.500 is going to be britain's future and i'll

01:06:05.220 try to explain why um tony blair's best

01:06:09.560 buddy is oracle's larry ellison who has

01:06:13.140 the richest man in the world second

01:06:14.780 richest man in the world he has given

01:06:16.480 130 million dollars to the tony blair

01:06:18.900 initiative in just two years time and

01:06:22.120 he's going to give them another 220

01:06:25.220 million dollars so the sum of money that

01:06:28.620 is being given to tony blair is insane

01:06:31.560 hasn't he also given money to the idf as

01:06:35.400 well he's the biggest individual donor

01:06:37.440 to the idf he's given a third of a

01:06:39.300 billion dollars to tony blair yes yes

01:06:41.420 yes yes exactly exactly and um here is i

01:06:46.400 think an interview between tony blair and

01:06:48.580 larry ellison i want you to briefly listen

01:06:51.580 to it because it it really matters

01:06:53.520 because we record we're constantly

01:06:57.720 recording watching and recording

01:06:59.220 everything that's going on citizens will

01:07:01.520 be on their best behavior because we're

01:07:04.180 constantly recording and reporting

01:07:05.780 everything that's going on the first

01:07:08.360 thing a country needs to do is to unify

01:07:12.560 all of their data so it can be consumed

01:07:16.340 and used by the ai model you have to take

01:07:19.560 all of your health care data your

01:07:21.360 diagnostic data your electronic health

01:07:24.600 records your genomic data the nhs in the

01:07:27.740 uk has an incredible amount of population

01:07:29.960 data but it's fragment it's not easily

01:07:33.880 accessible by these ai models we have to

01:07:36.960 take all of this data we have in our

01:07:38.940 country and move it into a single if you

01:07:42.520 will unified data platform so that so we

01:07:47.000 provide context when we want to ask a

01:07:49.060 question we've provided that ai model

01:07:52.320 with all the data they need to understand

01:07:54.740 our country so that's the that's the big

01:07:57.660 step that's kind of the missing link we

01:08:00.000 need to unify all of the national data put

01:08:02.880 it into a database where it's easily

01:08:05.280 consumable by the ai model and then ask

01:08:08.460 whatever question you like or else what

01:08:11.340 yeah so i like how tony blair's in that he

01:08:16.560 was kind of nodding going up interesting

01:08:18.220 i'd set up ideas there as if he didn't

01:08:19.680 know exactly what larry ellison was going

01:08:21.560 to be recommending yeah and here are some

01:08:23.840 leaked emails between larry ellison and the

01:08:26.960 israeli israeli ambassador to germany talking

01:08:29.480 about marco rubio and whether or not they

01:08:32.060 should support him for his presidential run

01:08:33.960 at the time rubio as you know is the head of

01:08:36.860 the um national security council in the united

01:08:39.700 states and did a good job as well he and he's

01:08:43.220 also the secretary of state um hi ron great

01:08:47.000 meeting with marco rubio i set him up to meet

01:08:49.340 with tony blair marco will be a great friend

01:08:52.000 for israel and this is from larry ellison saying

01:08:54.800 that he approves of marco rubio um as as a

01:08:59.680 supporter of israel which is not exactly the

01:09:01.760 point right now the point is larry ellison is

01:09:04.200 putting people in touch with tony blair and now

01:09:06.420 tony blair is in charge of gaza and in case

01:09:08.920 you've forgotten tony blair used to be the uh and

01:09:13.440 the sort of leader of the quartet this was a

01:09:16.720 committee by the eu the un russia and the united

01:09:19.720 states to bring peace between the israelis and

01:09:22.920 the palestinians at the same time tony blair was

01:09:25.960 getting paid by the uae it turns out

01:09:27.800 for commercial purposes why does this matter

01:09:31.320 because not only tony blair is still advocating

01:09:34.880 for um digital ids the israelis have their own

01:09:39.680 version of id systems for the palestinians

01:09:42.240 so there's a palestinian authority which is now

01:09:44.760 recognized as the palestinian state by most

01:09:48.080 countries in the united nations that authority

01:09:51.000 doesn't control the issuance of ids it's the israelis who control them

01:09:55.160 and the israelis are in the process of

01:09:58.040 imposing um digital ids on the palestinians 0.99

01:10:02.680 which will link up to all of their biometric data

01:10:06.040 and which will then be presumably fed to the cloud at oracle

01:10:10.440 and which will probably be paired by what palantir has to offer

01:10:14.440 meaning that your social media

01:10:17.480 and your interactions with the government

01:10:19.720 and your health status and and and all of those together

01:10:24.040 will form part of one big data pool

01:10:27.560 that the ai sifts through 0.99

01:10:29.560 and in case you're wondering what are some of the implications of that

01:10:32.440 um for the palestinians the israelis were using ai to exceptional effect

01:10:37.480 to identify anybody tangentially linked to hamas

01:10:41.160 and they're bombing their houses in the first days of the war

01:10:44.280 so the first days of the israel-gaza war the casualties among the palestinian

01:10:47.720 civilians were horrific 1.00

01:10:49.560 because they had a piece of software that they called

01:10:53.240 uh where's daddy or is daddy home which i can't remember what a sinister name for

01:10:57.800 it's a horror yes which worked on identifying when male members of hamas were back home

01:11:05.480 and then bombing that home and it could be in a building with 50 other people

01:11:11.560 inside of it who had absolutely no relationship to the guy

01:11:14.680 but the israelis were happy with that casualties

01:11:17.000 now we don't expect to get bombed in the united kingdom

01:11:19.720 but you can most certainly expect the police to show up at your door

01:11:23.880 using this kind of data and you can expect

01:11:27.640 that if there are digital ids that tie together

01:11:31.080 all of your interactions on health interactions on education interactions

01:11:36.120 like your school records as well as your current health status

01:11:40.680 as well as i don't know and interactions with the police

01:11:44.360 as well as any kind of tax payment or or whatever

01:11:48.280 as well as your social media will be part of one system

01:11:52.760 tying you together to one digital id

01:11:54.920 allowing the state to control every movement you make and to police every movement you make

01:12:01.640 as larry ellison says aware of it to be completely aware of it yeah

01:12:06.200 you're you're you're you're in the panopticon

01:12:08.520 what they're if gaza is rebuilt

01:12:12.360 what will also be built is a panopticon

01:12:15.640 where you are under permanent surveillance everywhere

01:12:18.760 and if it works in an environment as challenging as gaza

01:12:23.000 that will then be used by the state as a proof of concept

01:12:27.000 to say that if it can work in gaza it could work anywhere else

01:12:30.760 and it must apply to you in the united kingdom or france or the united states

01:12:36.120 or any other part of the world it's a very quick question for us um that israeli id card

01:12:41.480 is that only for the subordinate populations in the palestinian territories or do israeli citizens

01:12:46.520 also come under that law so jewish citizens also have to have an id card okay the state is much

01:12:53.240 less severe towards them because it's a openly ethno-nationalist state yep uh proudly so yep

01:12:59.800 um well to well to to counter that is considered genocidal so it's not to to to to say that it

01:13:05.480 shouldn't be is considered genocidal yes in their case weirdly not in ours but interesting yes anyway

01:13:10.280 yes that's that that's a longer conversation that should definitely be had um

01:13:14.680 um but basically they were using this kind of approach to gain total control and they will be

01:13:23.400 doubling down on this in gaza using these technology companies and tony blair has pretty

01:13:29.640 excellent relationship with all of these technology companies um so there's the tony blair website that i

01:13:36.200 that i had which never mind um but anyway what was be what you will find if you go to the tony blair

01:13:42.200 website is an invitation for any tech companies and any third world government to come and talk to him

01:13:48.680 so that he could implement the oracle technology and put all of the data of that country on the cloud

01:13:54.760 and then that gets used to manage all aspects of life and it's really important that tony blair was

01:14:01.480 constantly getting paid by the uae because the most efficient managers of diversity in the world are the

01:14:09.800 uae and they do so with a comprehensive police state when you go into the uae your cell phone is under

01:14:17.240 surveillance your movement is under surveillance everything that you do is perfectly seen at all

01:14:24.120 times by the state to the extent that in 2012 when the israelis executed a hit against one of one hamas

01:14:31.160 the uae is a mass financier um it took the uae 24 hours to identify each and every single member of a

01:14:40.040 34-man team israeli man and woman israeli hit team along with their passports when they entered which

01:14:47.640 flights were they on and when did they leave because the surveying system is so comprehensive

01:14:54.040 the fact that they have always had tony blair on their payroll and the fact that tony blair is still

01:14:59.960 pushing digital ids in the united kingdom is extremely relevant because the people who pay him implement

01:15:07.560 these kinds of comprehensive surveillance states and the people who pick in the uae and the people who

01:15:13.080 pay him out of oracle explicitly say that they're trying to build the same system everywhere else what

01:15:22.200 i think is actually going on here is tony blair is almost doing a little pilot study of the natural next

01:15:27.720 step um with the palestinian people for his techno-globalist elite faction yes seems like

01:15:34.280 what is going on here yes very clearly in fact it's not not even slightly concealed and the fact that

01:15:39.640 larry ellison i've heard objections to this people say well look the nhs has got a lot of your data

01:15:44.280 what's the problem so well the nhs doesn't have the authority to arrest me precisely yeah i don't

01:15:48.840 just have the authority to kill me yeah well no it doesn't even have that actually it does that back

01:15:53.240 it's being scrutinized in the law yeah yeah that's currently going through the law just nearly there

01:15:56.920 i was only being facetious i know but but that's the point like people don't understand like the

01:16:00.520 civil liberty argument is actually very pertinent in an era of such hyper politicization yes if it's

01:16:06.200 this easy for the government to arrest 12 000 people a year first tweets then having an ai that scrapes

01:16:12.280 all of the data that is available on you centralizes it in the state and then can do whatever it wants with

01:16:19.160 that information is actually terrifying yes why would we want this and the answer is of course

01:16:25.640 we don't want this they want this because what this does i mean what does this do for them it makes

01:16:30.200 the model of governance that they've been trying to build all the more easy like this is the final

01:16:34.280 capstone on the pyramid yes that they are trying to build here and okay yeah they'll have a a great

01:16:39.640 panopticon of technology that tells them everything about the civilization so they can manage it as if this

01:16:45.000 was a game of sim city or something yes but i don't want to live in that actually yes it's entirely

01:16:50.680 anti-democratic as well because it discourages people from engaging in the political system

01:16:55.320 what would be the point of democracy yeah well there's everything is administered well the uae is

01:16:59.480 a model here that any slight descent in the uae even if you're a native of the uae you end up in jail

01:17:07.640 straight to jail no discussion so the fact that the paymasters of tony blair believe in this kind

01:17:14.440 of stuff the fact that his son i think is involved in the brit id scheme and the fact that starmer is

01:17:20.120 pushing this uh and now they're going to test it out in gaza where we know that blair is very well

01:17:26.840 connected to all of the social media companies he's very big on ai regulation and the need for ai

01:17:31.880 regulation he's very big on this kind of global control system and it can track everything from your

01:17:39.400 carbon footprint to the car that you drive to how much uh energy you consume in your home any spending

01:17:45.480 you do any in any spending can be interceded against any spending can be interceded action you know

01:17:51.000 you've exceeded your meat limit for the week uh the chinese looks like freedom loving americans in

01:17:57.160 comparison doesn't it exactly ccp doesn't seem so bad exactly and then that obviously gets linked to

01:18:03.000 your credit score and to your employment status and to your benefits and to everything that you do so it's

01:18:09.080 a mechanism for total control and tony blair has just been given a proving ground for it

01:18:14.440 this is the important part so gaza is your future if he builds this panopticon in gaza

01:18:21.640 he will then come and say to the british government and to the french and to the americans and

01:18:26.520 the eu loves tony blair oh yeah everybody in every eurocrat is in love with tony blair well this is

01:18:31.880 the system that they're a part of they they for for the globalist liberal politics is actually

01:18:38.200 difficult and dangerous right it involves risk yes and the entire philosophy they have to protect

01:18:43.560 human rights means risk minimization yes and so what they're doing is trying to take transcend the

01:18:48.920 notion of politics as we understand it and reduce everything to mere administration yes and so that and

01:18:55.080 anyone who doesn't fit into this new order will be problematized stigmatized and eventually

01:19:01.720 made to conform to the system you've expressed enough toxic nationalism sorry

01:19:07.880 it's been recorded through palantir connecting to your social media now you're whatever right to

01:19:14.360 drive a car is going to be revoked um that's what we're working what would you do exactly what are your

01:19:20.840 options so shall we move to the yeah can i have the mask yes let's get to the video comments samson

01:19:30.600 so awful and it's just happening it's building itself in our vision yes you know so this is just

01:19:35.400 being allowed to happen i'm starting to think that our um dystopian fiction writers lacked vision to be

01:19:40.920 honest yes i think a bit of clarion she had is in order the the the problem the problem they had is

01:19:45.720 they couldn't foresee ai that's true yeah they you know they no one knew that it'd become so

01:19:50.760 powerful so quickly being said stanley kubrick 1966 he had a pretty convincing depiction of it

01:19:56.920 also what's his name who wrote i robot asimov yeah he did actually predict it uh okay let's go to the

01:20:03.080 video comments

01:20:20.840 a guy can dream right a while ago i figured out how to position all the leg motors for my power armor

01:20:27.880 and now i just got the program working to actually control them

01:20:35.000 it's a long-term project that's been engaged all right he's a regular is he yeah let's get the next one

01:20:42.920 yeah so while we're all worried about starma saying you simply will not be able to work if you

01:20:47.880 do not have a digital id the sticky sausage has only gone and passed legislation that if you're a director

01:20:53.960 of a company you have to go and identify yourself to company's house next month and to do that you

01:20:59.480 create a one login account and provide your biometric id through their app thankfully there is a work

01:21:05.640 around for now but it's an awful lot like a digital id yeah i mean you you've always had to

01:21:12.200 provide your identifying identity to company's house to register a business but uh to make it

01:21:17.480 biometric id well if if you're an immigrant you automatically get a biometric id do you uh yes you

01:21:23.240 automatically get a biometric id and the benefit from the state's perspective of having more

01:21:30.200 immigration is that all of the new citizens will already have a biometric id and that will make

01:21:39.320 digital ids a lot smoother so the they're they are thinking about this in a nefarious way it's not

01:21:46.120 just conspiracy theories guys no no i mean is it a conspiracy they're literally there's that john tron

01:21:51.720 clip it's like yeah what made you believe this well they started saying it in front of cameras

01:21:54.920 yes he just plays the clip well it's like larry ellison they're just saying in front of cameras

01:21:58.680 everybody will behave better because they're under constant surveillance yeah i wonder what he means

01:22:02.520 by that yeah yeah you conspiracy theorist if a bond villain said that in a film i'd feel like that's

01:22:08.600 poor writing they're not outright on the nose exactly yeah um anyway michael gammon says land is only

01:22:15.160 yours if you can hold and defend it that's true logan says uh comrade carl remember to trust the plan but

01:22:20.120 always chimp uh also when we win can we also deport ship libs too uh well that would be exile 0.98

01:22:25.320 uh but yes uh fc says i joined ice today let's go boys bro you sent us a two dollar super chat with

01:22:31.080 that fifty dollars fifty thousand dollar signing bonus not on round up illegal immigrants for us please 0.97

01:22:37.480 um super mastermind says uh carl moved to colonial williamsburg the royal palace is untouched in 300

01:22:44.200 years you will have more rights claim political asylum get a 300 year old wardrobe fit in i'm never going i'm

01:22:49.800 never i don't care how bad it gets i'm staying um because i'm too lazy to move

01:22:57.240 and uh scott says they're trying to build a digital tower of babel and we all know how that ends yes

01:23:02.600 yeah i mean the the problem is is that they could build a system that lasts for generations right it

01:23:07.400 will eventually and even if it doesn't what kind of world do you think they're going to end up with

01:23:12.600 like i really don't want to live in that kind of environment like the very nature of it is

01:23:18.040 horrific yes honestly why why people aren't thinking about this morris don't know um say

01:23:24.360 what you like about furor benjamin but he did make the segments run on time i bloody didn't

01:23:29.240 that's why sorry we've been really slack on the comments today because i really

01:23:33.240 i'm not a very good nazi dictator uh from the website james says uh brilliant work from the

01:23:38.760 restore team that's proving low correct that forming a movement and not party is important

01:23:42.760 success i sincerely hope this is highlighted to both reform and tories so we can unify the approach

01:23:48.360 uh well i mean really it's the uh reform at this point isn't it hopefully but there's no reason they

01:23:54.040 wouldn't take this on board other than well we'd be happy for them to lift our ideas we don't need that

01:23:59.000 even need attribution it's just that we're trying to just change the conversation and put some meat

01:24:03.400 on the policy bone and as i like to say we i don't we don't particularly care who restores britain

01:24:07.240 so long as someone does although of course we're we're staying in the fight ourselves as well

01:24:10.920 yep if reform uk are to be taken seriously they have to form policy around this report

01:24:15.160 it is far too concise and important not to well i don't know about concise

01:24:21.400 but it is it is precise and detailed yes that's right i agree with you russian says

01:24:27.480 over 100 pages of how we've been betrayed over three decades fairly readable to a layman too

01:24:31.960 i recommend you do lots of sound bites quotable legislation in there you can use the arguments

01:24:35.880 against the left uh yes jimbo says a manifesto is missing one key thing they must pay for their

01:24:41.480 own flights unfortunately that's not going to happen we're going to be paying for everything

01:24:44.680 obviously but we'll still be cheap but we would be making money this is another thing we have a

01:24:48.040 costings section as well uh we believe that the costs of keeping them here the costs of removing

01:24:54.200 them would be offset by the long-term costs of keeping them here yes so we're already spending

01:24:58.440 money it's a question of how much billions we already know it's costing us billions yeah and

01:25:02.520 it's an indefinite payment rather this would be a one-off payment yeah because it would deter future

01:25:06.600 break-ins yes arizona deserat says the head of us border patrol is a great solution for the whole

01:25:12.120 separating families problem dot port the whole family yes indeed yeah that was uh one of tom homan's

01:25:17.000 best moments in my opinion yes uh henry says this is a very good plan from restore not least because

01:25:21.800 isa layman can follow along with the wording of the document it's not thousands of pages of legal

01:25:26.040 ease which would be completely incomprehensible to the plebs which is how the establishment 1.00

01:25:29.480 bureaucrats hide their plans from the voting public whilst restore aren't a party they are showing

01:25:33.480 parties how policies should be done imagine if any every manifesto pledge came with and here's how

01:25:37.960 we'll do it document alongside it yeah this this is this is one of the things that farage and reform

01:25:43.560 really have to get a handle on the idea that they are so far ahead in the polls and have zero policies

01:25:49.560 to show for it um sorry what are you going to do got a very brief anecdote when i when i was working

01:25:54.920 i've been working on this for a while we've been working on this for a while when i learned that

01:25:58.920 reform had published their um version of mass deportations like operation restoring justice

01:26:04.440 i got i got that headline i thought oh my god that's my day gone i've got to read this report

01:26:08.200 it's five pages so it only took me about an hour um because i read it in detail and criticized it so you

01:26:13.080 know it's important that you put flesh on the bone it proposes on their own slogans not enough yeah and

01:26:19.240 this this has been a persistent critique from everyone from like the online right to the online

01:26:24.680 left you know it's like okay well you're not actually saying anything substantive here you're

01:26:28.600 not actually picking out individual things that need to be done yes um colin says it struck me a

01:26:33.960 while ago that the proponents of multiculturalism don't actually understand there's an underlying

01:26:38.840 dichotomy multicultural means by definition differing cultures with different values well culture

01:26:44.360 some of these cultures will have split from others because of major differences which in the extremes make

01:26:48.600 them makes them not only incompatible but actively hostile and if you take for example the subcontinent

01:26:54.680 you can see cultures that were that came into existence aggressively against one another for

01:27:00.200 example islam came into existence aggressively against polytheistic paganism and sikhism came into

01:27:06.040 existence aggressively against islam itself and the islamic conquest so yes you why don't we bring them and 1.00

01:27:11.880 then israel islam's famous uh relationship with judaism just get along like the best of friends why don't we

01:27:18.360 bring them all here and then sit them in birmingham cheek by jowl and nothing will go wrong it's also

01:27:23.720 not a coincidence that um the what we might call the political theory of multiculturalism rather than

01:27:28.440 just its historical analogues emerged in canada i mean the two major multicultural theorists of the

01:27:34.440 last century one of them still alive charles taylor the philosopher and will kimlicker the philosopher

01:27:38.360 they're the main political theorists of multiculturalism they saw multiculturalism as addressing a diverse

01:27:43.000 situation that already existed it wasn't really a blueprint it was more sort of managing system for

01:27:46.600 something that was already in place now people have looked at that which was supposed to be a

01:27:50.040 sort of mitigating blueprint and have turned it into a utopian theory which they didn't view it as

01:27:54.120 even the un's own replacement migration document document says well i mean this this might work

01:28:00.200 but it will bring huge cultural consequences with it that will create massive amounts of tensions and

01:28:06.440 you might want to reconsider doing this impressively clairvoyant yeah and this was written in 2000

01:28:11.080 indeed uh so it was it was one of those things where it's like we you just weren't listening to

01:28:14.920 them right uh ben says sorry jenric but we don't want integration we want mass deportation uh luckily 0.97

01:28:20.280 we have a document for that uh well no sadly it's just illegal so we're going to be trying to do some

01:28:24.520 stuff on legal immigration as well yeah but the the thing is i i'm absolutely convinced that the

01:28:30.360 barometer of how many illegals in this country is vastly under reporting probably yeah uh no no doubt i think

01:28:35.880 um and the problem that we have is the legal communities are a magnet for illegal immigrants 1.00

01:28:42.760 because a lot of them will just be related to and actually know the people in them and they'll

01:28:46.360 be able to find a job oh it's so-and-so's cousin who's arrived he hasn't got a visa so he's gonna

01:28:49.640 have to let him work cash in hand in your local shop or something like that and that's that's good

01:28:53.560 there are going to be millions of people like that that's true and you can carry your cousin's

01:28:57.560 daughter and then you get citizenship and that makes you legal so it's it's the the the spillover from

01:29:04.600 one under the other is huge just to underscore the report i'm so sorry i just want to think we

01:29:08.280 want to i just want to make it clear to people that this is we regard this as kind of a first victory

01:29:12.840 in restoring britain rather than sufficient unto itself i was just going to quickly add um that by

01:29:17.400 taking down the illegals you're also going to unearth a lot of the legal people doing criminal

01:29:21.880 things and therefore it will make it easier to remove them as well with criminal convictions that's

01:29:25.720 right yeah omar says there are no rules human rights or even friend enemy distinction even for allies

01:29:30.120 can be sacrificed for the cause there is only one progressive calculation that holds true

01:29:34.280 which hurts society more they don't operate off definitions or principles words are a magic

01:29:38.520 spell to get what they want your wealth your country your birthright your soul well they that

01:29:41.560 that that's that's how it looks from the other side of it but on the inside they do have a plan

01:29:48.280 the problem is the plan is insane um the the well it is yes i agree i agree but it's very well put

01:29:57.880 the plan is to literally liberate us from everything that makes us human um which i'm not all of your

01:30:03.640 loyalties i'm not overstate your sense of belonging cut off yourself spiritually and sort of nation your

01:30:09.720 family your culture bb a number on on an excel sheet there's no other way to be free yes there's

01:30:14.920 literally their view there's no other way to be free uh and i think that's evil south dakota pastor

01:30:20.360 says i'm no longer joking when i say that tony blair is either the antichrist of the book of revelation

01:30:24.520 of the book of revelation or works for him um yeah i mean it's it's hard to see who's above tony blair

01:30:31.640 he seems to be like the the prime mover in all i would argue that the antichrist works for tony

01:30:36.440 blair yeah and it's it's impossible not to notice in the book of revelations that the mark of the

01:30:42.440 that the beast we covered it the other day is literally you will not be able to transact

01:30:47.240 without the mark of the beast exactly incredible how this is incredible how how that fits yeah it's

01:30:54.360 genuinely terrifying anyway right we are out of time there folks so thank you for joining us

01:30:58.280 harrison where can people find more from you uh restore britain obviously uh the european

01:31:01.800 conservative particularly the forge which is my monthly um sort of debate and discussion show on

01:31:06.680 youtube most recent one was with michael gove uh yes i know you did yeah you covered it on the

01:31:11.800 podcast the other day and then the second one uh coming out on the 13th of october which is thatcher's

01:31:16.840 centenary i'd like to plug this very quickly so five days time monday night this monday uh

01:31:21.160 william cluston versus charles moore uh her official biographer debating thatcher's life and legacy to mark

01:31:26.680 her centenary oh okay interesting might be interesting and then um and then the new culture

01:31:29.960 forum weekly deprogrammed with connor tomlinson all right well thanks for joining us folks and

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01:31:40.920 and we stelios and myself will be there at 6 p.m to talk about why actually we need a total moral

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The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - October 09, 2025

The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1270

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