The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1273

00:00:00.000 one good afternoon ladies and gentlemen welcome to the podcast the lotus seaters for tuesday the

00:00:07.620 14th october 2025 i'm joined by josh and dan and today we're going to be talking about something

00:00:14.440 absolutely terrible and yet probably quite predictable that has happened in europe and

00:00:19.100 in fact since we're on europe we'll move on to how europe is doing really well in one country

00:00:24.380 yes that made some sensible decisions that country's poland i mean no no surprise there

00:00:29.960 they're about to pass our gdp i'm going to talk about that oh my god that's impressive it's also

00:00:36.740 depressing though isn't it yeah like sorry how has britain fallen below poland it's not i don't

00:00:42.640 love poland and the polish friends and stuff it's just that come on guys you know the repudiation

00:00:46.880 of what we're doing we had a bit of a head start didn't we it's oh yeah it's yeah exactly

00:00:51.680 disappointing exactly but also they shouldn't be able to do it because they're not having

00:00:56.100 immigration so well a little bit but uh but anyway and then we'll we'll end with the return

00:01:01.900 of the male gaze and the patriarchy striking back and cnn are uh sad to hear it but it seems like it

00:01:09.220 might be inevitable uh but anyway without further ado let's begin so meet iris um seltzer she is uh the

00:01:16.740 recently elected mayor of a little west german town her deck uh where she grew up she's the daughter

00:01:24.420 of a steel worker and she became a lawyer specializing in labor law and she was actually

00:01:29.860 a she was actually a green party member up until about 2014 and then she switched to the um the sdp

00:01:35.580 which became the mayoral candidate and and narrowly won and she's due to take up her office

00:01:40.960 uh well assuming she should make it now on the on the 1st of november but the key point you need to

00:01:46.320 understand about this woman is that she is morally better than you are i can tell yes um i mean to

00:01:53.380 the extent where she she even adopted two children from from war-torn bits of africa one from from

00:01:59.160 mali and one from from haiti does she not have any of her own no uh well i don't know whether she

00:02:04.700 couldn't or just decided not to but she thought the way to go was let's go to the worst bits of africa

00:02:08.980 well and and um and haiti of course and um pick a couple of children from there and this show i mean

00:02:15.860 what would you do that josh would you adopt an african child no i would like my own children

00:02:21.160 that are genetically related to me right well well that just goes to show why she's better than you

00:02:26.880 she is better that is morally in every way i am i'm evil and selfish for not adopting many africans

00:02:33.280 yes well you obviously need to work on your morals josh uh it's the out grouping group

00:02:37.140 heat map isn't it pure out group heat map yes yes but um since since josh is lacking in in in

00:02:45.200 virtue and morals i mean we do have a course for that um presumably this course i mean you know

00:02:50.260 more about it than i do carl presumably this course tells you how to adopt an african child

00:02:53.800 no but it does tell you how to be a good person and live a good life if that's useful okay anyone's

00:02:59.260 interested in actual time-tested wisdom and instruction on how to be a good man

00:03:04.980 that's what this course will teach you all women yeah that's true but there's only one way of being

00:03:09.400 morally good and that's to be left-wing and so but that isn't that then no in fact it's a complete

00:03:13.220 repudiation of all left-wing morality that you have been saturated in your entire life well how come we

00:03:19.400 don't we haven't heard about this then uh because um aristotle's science wasn't correct but his morality

00:03:26.200 was his ethics were okay but come the enlightenment and the overturning of aristotle's science which

00:03:31.720 had uh occupied the academy for centuries up until that point they also threw out aristotle's ethics

00:03:38.840 and decided they were going to create an entirely new frame of ethics which we can call liberalism now

00:03:44.360 and that's why aristotle was thrown out but it turns out that actually that doesn't do anything

00:03:49.300 good for people because what it does is impose a rule-based order which just means that you're not

00:03:53.880 bad if you don't break the rules but you are not affirmatively good in any way so essentially

00:03:59.020 vaush is as good as you are in this new framework which i don't agree with uh and in fact when you

00:04:05.520 approach it through this sort of aristotelian lens you realize how insufficient and vice-riddled

00:04:10.740 someone like vaush is and how virtuous uh someone like the average father is oh well in that case it

00:04:16.900 completely throws a spanner in the works of my segment then because i thought there was only one

00:04:20.100 form of morality and it was he was left-wing morality um and and and the the goal is to be as

00:04:25.040 unracist as possible which is what iris was achieving because um she adopted a couple of

00:04:30.680 children like i say one from maddie she's got a door a daughter 17 from from marley uh well this is

00:04:36.080 not her at 17 obviously this is this is her younger we've got a couple of pictures of the daughter

00:04:39.640 um there she is um she liked she liked to use the adopted children in promotional materials for a

00:04:46.840 law firm ah right okay so um well you've got to show everyone how virtual well yeah exactly you've

00:04:51.440 got to yeah morality has to be something that you actively show people i understand it

00:04:55.820 well there's something different yeah the the the thing about virtue is actually it's self-evident

00:05:00.500 so you don't need to show people that you are virtuous so when someone virtue signals that's kind

00:05:05.560 of the opposite of morality actually oh that's it i didn't know that i didn't know that um and here's

00:05:09.580 an oh that's a slightly unfortunate picture of of the daughter okay well forget forget that picture we

00:05:14.380 we we come back to we come back to the rest of this so yes these two adopted children um the the

00:05:20.060 daughter from mali and the um the son from haiti like i think there's an interesting question here

00:05:26.520 about nature versus nurture um let's start with just having a quick think about mali shall we so um

00:05:34.860 mali is apparently well known for um armed islamic attacks kidnapping um roadside ambushes

00:05:44.140 village massacres torture and extrajudicial killings so not very liberal democracy i think

00:05:53.000 i'm going to strike that off of the uh countries i want to visit well it's funny you say that because

00:05:57.700 um the foreign office does have a travel advisory against it um pretty reasonable yeah yes advising

00:06:04.980 against all travel i'm sure callum's going to be there immediately oh no he's got a little bit so

00:06:11.860 that that's the country in red there don't visit all of that right and of the capital there's a

00:06:16.800 little bit in the capital just a little bit there a couple of a couple of miles across

00:06:21.600 advisors against all but essential travel yes rather than just all travel that's like a bat

00:06:26.020 signal for callum that is that is yeah if it's absolutely essential you can go to this little bit

00:06:31.300 but otherwise do not under any circumstances go to mali because of because of the reasons we've um

00:06:37.180 we've carved out and i would presume that that's also the capital that probably has some degree of

00:06:41.660 european influence and compounds yeah keeping you safe from the outside yes if any bit well that's

00:06:48.800 presumably where the head hold shows are and the and the embassies and the whatever else so you can't

00:06:54.080 even go to timbuktu no unfortunately not unfortunately not um and the for uk foreign office they they

00:07:01.520 advise um look the the problem is is a crime terrorism kidnapping and frequent checkpoints

00:07:07.980 and roblox where you disappear which are the problems well yes not the problem yes there are

00:07:13.860 many problems well i suppose you you might argue it stems from one underlying problem uh i i imagine

00:07:20.180 they've got a lot of underlying problems to be honest well some i mean i wouldn't say this obviously

00:07:25.500 but some people might say well the underlying problem is the mali themselves that that that is one

00:07:30.880 interpretation um for the americans in the audience um do not travel it's just do not travel

00:07:37.600 they don't even make a carve out and it's not covid19 that's the problem yeah mali map um well i could

00:07:45.260 expand that he's going to be red um infer that for yourself and there was apparently a u.s state

00:07:51.940 department uh report uh last year uh which detailed killings arbitrary detention torture abuse

00:07:58.480 allegations uh and so on right so mali it's it's it's a troubled region troubled region for some

00:08:07.720 reason the malis are not behaving themselves towards each other perhaps as as well as they

00:08:11.580 as well as they might so obviously if you're morally good person you get one from there yeah

00:08:16.460 then for the other one to just you know round out the photos through a law firm she decided to go for

00:08:22.200 haiti um which has got to be probably the worst country on earth well i mean mali seems pretty bad

00:08:28.780 yeah i don't know i would much rather live in mali than haiti i mean they've they've eaten all the

00:08:33.340 animals cut down all the trees they eat each other and you know cats and dogs i'd rather live in north

00:08:39.640 korea than haiti and i wouldn't even hesitate north korea is incredibly civilized compared to these

00:08:44.280 places i know you just have to not offend the government i might find that a little bit and also the

00:08:50.060 big difference with haiti is it right is right next door to the dominican republic which is nice

00:08:54.860 well it's the worst country i've ever been to but i'm sure compared to haiti i haven't been to haiti

00:09:01.920 i mean as for a caribbean country it's reasonably stable isn't it yes yes i have a massive border

00:09:09.340 against haiti as i understand it yes and um beautiful wall uh lots of guards who stand on that border and

00:09:16.360 seem to have a low opinion of haiti yes i didn't notice so many guards on the haitian side though

00:09:21.060 it's mainly the dominicans who seem interested in maintaining that border i can't help but notice

00:09:26.260 that this is just a blanket travel advice against as well yes um so um the foreign office uh advise

00:09:32.740 you of um mass kidnappings mutilation beheadings mass rapes public burnings and massacres

00:09:41.580 so was general barbecue still in charge yes he's more successful than ever because the kenyan

00:09:47.860 uh peacekeeping corps were unable to capture him even though they killed those at his headquarters

00:09:53.960 oh general barbecue still at large still if anyone at home is wondering how he got the name general

00:10:00.200 barbecue it is for exactly the reasons that you think yes they actually are eating each other

00:10:04.800 there's i did a segment once in which i had lots of heavily redacted videos of people in um haiti

00:10:11.700 basically just barbecuing legs and stuff it's also worth mentioning as well that it's got the highest

00:10:17.420 concentration of voodoo black magic of any country i was going to mention that mali is one of those

00:10:24.480 places where um witchcraft is um flourishing it's a just a general part of the background beliefs of

00:10:32.020 the people um so it's entirely possible that someone will think that you're casting spells on

00:10:36.820 them and take action against you i've heard well as you should against the spellcaster i've heard some

00:10:42.480 say that this is the place where magic soil is actually made um the un warn of um child recruitment

00:10:51.600 and by gangs uh widespread abuse against uh civilians and they talk about systematic terror tactics

00:10:59.220 um and again for the americans the um the american advice is just again a big red do not travel um

00:11:07.600 kidnapping and and other stuff here so so in in both cases the food might be slightly better though

00:11:14.680 having eaten american food yeah just kidding yeah i i i i think they'll be both free range at least

00:11:22.180 it's not going to be factory farms i will have my mud cookies thank you very much so so the key

00:11:27.080 question why are these countries like it and and we've got two views we've got we've got the

00:11:32.460 obviously correct left-wing view which is well mali is the way it is colonialism is well colonialism

00:11:38.240 yeah yes i didn't even say it how did you know that's the left-wing view that's all right okay

00:11:42.620 we you got there before i could say it but but yes french colonialism is the reason for mali

00:11:47.960 and um in haiti oh it's the french again yeah slavery yes you're winning me around it's the

00:11:54.320 french they're to blame for the world's problems yeah actually i didn't i didn't think of that that

00:11:58.640 is actually quite a compelling reason um and the right-wing argument would be um no mali is the way

00:12:04.460 it is because of the people who live there and haiti is the way it is because the people who live there

00:12:09.640 well i mean it's compelling i mean haiti was founded on explicitly murdering all of the white people in

00:12:17.020 the country well yes there is that and when they got ran out of white people they murdered the mixed

00:12:21.240 race people well just just for good measure well that that is possibly why the dominican republic and

00:12:27.700 haiti are so different in the in the dominican republic a lot of people there are sort of sort of

00:12:33.860 half-toned um whereas in haiti they're not because they killed them they have a pretty good incentive to

00:12:39.780 keep the haitians out given their history yes so i i wanted to address the question of nature versus

00:12:46.200 nurture because there is this this awful right-wing idea i don't know if you subscribe to this one

00:12:50.920 drosh is the sort of thing you probably would have thought about um where a lot of your nature is um

00:12:56.540 well it's nature-based it's it's it's it's you know behavioral genetics it's evolutionary psychology

00:13:01.300 you know it holds the view that intelligent temperament contra conscientiousness um aggression and even

00:13:08.560 political um inclination are heritable is is that the sort of wrong-headed view that you would hold

00:13:14.220 well some very bigoted people that i wouldn't necessarily agree with would even argue that it's

00:13:19.860 about 80 of the equation in some areas and it's actually a very significant part of it and of

00:13:25.180 course the these bigots also point out the fact that um your your genetics come from your parents

00:13:31.760 of course obviously um but where they they go wrong here is they say that well your genetics are

00:13:38.160 also compounded by the fact that your parents genetics also shape their environment and so they

00:13:43.180 reinforce one another which of course is entirely wrong see when i when i was uh doing a level

00:13:49.500 psychology back when i was like 16 uh we were told it was 55 45 for nurture versus nature so sorry

00:13:57.180 nature versus nurture so it's slightly higher because you could you could feel the sort of liberalism being

00:14:01.160 like no no no it's it's not that much i mean sure it's a little bit but like it's not that much

00:14:04.440 and now is it 80 percent there's agreed it depends on on the domain but um in in some areas yes

00:14:10.340 well i do have a study on that i mean i just mentioned the left wing view so the left wing

00:14:15.000 view is um marxist cultural determination where human behavior is is molded um basically by the

00:14:21.740 environment you bring up in so it's sort of blank slate you know john locke tabaraza kind of stuff

00:14:27.480 the problem that they have with that is that essentially um you you can't therefore then pluck

00:14:34.720 out some child at like you know seven or eight or whatever and expect them to have none of their

00:14:39.300 original culture residing in their worldview oh well i've got a study for that oh really i've got a

00:14:44.360 study for that so there was a long-term study led by thomas uh bouchard out of the university of

00:14:50.460 minnesota and they basically looked at twin studies and um also adoptions and and this has been going on

00:14:57.100 for decades this study and and he's been finding um the heritability of iq is about 0.7 so very high

00:15:04.760 it's about 70 percent then isn't it and then the rest of it being made up of your diet your environment

00:15:10.020 yes i mean i can i can well imagine that being well fed as a youngster will make a material impact

00:15:15.420 to your iq yeah i think there's a good way of framing is um think about plant pots and plants right

00:15:20.160 so if you've got a very large plant pot then the plant can grow to its maximum extent that might not

00:15:24.380 fill the entire pot but like you know the plant is not being inhibited by environmental factors but

00:15:28.460 if you're a very small pot even if it's a very intelligent plant or a very big plant it's still

00:15:32.280 inhibited by the environmental factors so uh these are obvious uh there there is something to the

00:15:38.400 marxist view there that the environment does matter but of course the evil bigots might have a

00:15:43.680 point as well i mean i suspect there's an upper limit that your genetics will give you yeah and

00:15:49.140 then precise good diet and upbringing will let you achieve whatever that is which you wouldn't

00:15:53.520 yeah getting the other one of the problems here is that it's easier to understand the environmental

00:15:57.660 factors because we come into contact with them every day visual exactly whereas we don't you know

00:16:04.100 visually see genetics um yes you actually have to either have modern day science or be a very

00:16:12.000 thoughtful person to to be able to tease out the environment from the the biological disposition yes

00:16:19.140 just a quick thing as well there's a massive problem with our actual understanding

00:16:22.420 of other cultures as well as in uh like the way that they look at the world is so

00:16:29.900 metaphysically different how we i know your video on time that was a good one yeah well exactly

00:16:35.300 it's it's metaphysically different how we view things and so you might offend against a series of

00:16:43.740 strongly held beliefs that are not necessarily based in genetics they might be based in the cultural

00:16:47.720 factors that they've had growing up but you have no idea that you have offended against these beliefs

00:16:52.420 because they're so alien to your own you've got no concept of someone thinking for example that

00:16:57.620 they're moving backwards through time right we view ourselves as moving forwards through time

00:17:01.860 and so for us the future is something that we possess and we can allot and we can actually have

00:17:08.560 influence over but of course if the future is something that just happens to you and you only see it as if it

00:17:13.000 after it's happened yeah it comes past you then you have no idea what there is only now and the

00:17:18.420 infinite past yeah you have no idea but what that means is you have no idea what that person thinks

00:17:23.120 you have no real model of the mind well the key takeaway from from that video of yours is that the

00:17:28.480 africans have no word for maintenance yeah because if a thing is working why would you do anything to

00:17:32.560 it precisely but the the point being is that you you can't really predict what they think and they

00:17:38.360 don't have any model of mind for you think either so it's not like when you know people of the same

00:17:43.260 stock growing up in the same civilization where they can view each other very predictably it's

00:17:48.240 entirely alien and you will be surprised constantly yes this study also found that um in young

00:17:55.280 children the adoptive child tended to affect the values and manners of their adoptive parents however

00:18:01.380 by late adolescence the correlation between the adoptive parents and the children

00:18:05.940 um had fallen to basically zero there's a critical period in in children's development that's

00:18:12.320 anywhere between uh maybe three or four to seven years old um i think it's uh quite often depending

00:18:20.900 on what you're looking at but anything after that point um they're going to have already had a

00:18:26.540 significant portion of their nature defined for them it's why um if you learn music before this

00:18:32.760 critical period they can have pitch perfect recognition of notes it's why if you learn a

00:18:37.720 language a second language you can learn it as fluently and accentless as a native speaker

00:18:43.520 and this has always been known i can't remember the name of the medieval monk who said give me the

00:18:47.100 child until he's seven i'll give you the man it's been well known that this is the case so so given

00:18:53.020 all of this um we've got this great nature versus nurture debate and obviously germany is a lovely

00:18:58.160 place and mali and haiti are hell holes um how what might we expect this this this daughter to turn

00:19:04.280 out um given that she was you know she was provided a rich um what age was she adopted at um it was

00:19:11.440 over 10 years ago she would have been around seven or eight right so after the primary formative years

00:19:17.080 uh yes yes well i don't know how long i just i just know it was at least 10 years ago so it could

00:19:22.020 have been a bit younger i'm not entirely sure this is a problem that we have with um second

00:19:26.020 generation immigrants as well where essentially because they're taken out of their cultural context

00:19:30.140 yes the actual they're like you don't understand that you understand your own civilization on an

00:19:35.160 intuitive level you don't think about it but you understand why everything around you is happening

00:19:38.720 because it's just so normal it's always been happening and so you don't need to think about

00:19:42.100 it but if you pluck someone out of uh let's uncharitably say a more primitive culture and put them

00:19:47.100 into a culture like germany yes you you you could see how that would feel alien to them well let's see if

00:19:55.240 we can prove you wrong oh okay no we can't um german mayor was tortured for hours by her adoptive

00:20:02.240 daughter 17 who kept her in a basement and brutally stabbed her left leaving her fighting for her life

00:20:08.300 so the police investigation is real horrific details so i i iris solzer who of course is morally better

00:20:14.720 than us um it was tortured for hours now i think we've got yes so we've got 13 stab wounds to the

00:20:21.820 upper body and apparently she used a an aerosol and a lighter as a mini flamethrower to torture her hair

00:20:29.000 and scold her and so on and and this went on for several hours um she was tortured in the basement

00:20:35.700 we don't know what the involvement of the of the adopted son was but it seems this was mainly uh led

00:20:41.840 by the daughter you know they there she is iris who's morally better than us who adopted uh two

00:20:46.940 children from from war-torn areas and raised them the right way um very good yes the scenes there

00:20:54.980 um apparently they had initially made an attempt to clean up the crime scene but it was a bit

00:21:00.680 amateurish and apparently german forensics are reasonably good at their job yeah um so there's that

00:21:06.940 um and then there's a oh she suffered 13 it was stab wounds and skull fractures right so um some work

00:21:15.760 was put into this yeah you know they explained why they did it well that is an interesting question

00:21:25.560 why would why would two kids from absolutely hellish areas do absolutely hellish things if it's nature

00:21:31.960 versus nurture that is an interesting question well the thing is a lot of it might not be about nature

00:21:36.140 versus nature a lot of it could be about the story that they tell themselves right as in i if you

00:21:43.460 don't feel that you fit in in this civilization and it doesn't make sense to you and this woman is

00:21:50.120 responsible for plucking you out of the context in which you are actually naturally raised and you

00:21:56.240 are resentful about this because obviously as a seven-year-old she had no power over this

00:22:01.000 so this was done to her i don't know well that's the thing i think i think a people build the society

00:22:08.980 that kind of wells from within sure but the the the point is i think there's a specific story

00:22:15.020 to what has happened here oh there may well be yeah i don't think we can actually make just broad

00:22:19.040 generalizations on it this is something about i mean you know generalizations will apply but

00:22:24.800 this this i think is not uh just a a random accident of chance right no but i mean i i suspected

00:22:32.760 that she had adopted say i don't know a japanese child and a swiss child i imagine this possibly i

00:22:39.760 mean i don't know i don't know again i i would want more details but um there is good news though

00:22:44.520 um because apparently um they they were going to call it attempted homicide um but they they've

00:22:51.340 lessened the charge because basically after several hours of torture the 17 year old decided

00:22:56.020 to give it up and ring emergency services and it was considered a resignation from the crime

00:23:01.340 and so because of that they're not they're not going to be arrested jesus christ they're not going to be

00:23:06.880 arrested so they're free to roam not not quite not not quite um that they have been uh put in the

00:23:13.820 care of youth welfare services lucky man so um you know obviously obviously an unfortunate outcome

00:23:21.660 for iris but at least she wasn't racist and she survived well there was that yes so that's good i

00:23:27.840 mean be not being racist is by far the most important thing as we as we know but um but yes i

00:23:32.780 suppose surviving as well is also an important consideration um martin's got some um interesting

00:23:38.920 stuff about this so you know apparently the uh you know she the socialist mayor had been going to

00:23:44.720 the police for some time asking for help because she did not feel safe around her daughter and

00:23:49.280 apparently less than 24 hours before the attack she went to the police uh and saying that she she

00:23:54.300 thought that her daughter was was a danger to her and of course the police the german police did exactly

00:23:59.340 the right thing and probably called her racist and sent her on her way yeah um and less than 24 hours

00:24:04.080 later she was being tortured for hours tied to a chair in the basement um but she did get some good

00:24:10.980 shots for a law firm that is good out of that so i i don't know we will have to ask iris in the future

00:24:16.260 as to whether she think it was worth it this this is what i mean about like you don't understand what

00:24:20.380 these people take offense to as in you know you i don't know why she's done this but it's it's

00:24:26.300 obviously something that built up over time as in the way that this girl felt she was being treated

00:24:30.660 did not meet the dignity that she expected and the liberal anti-racist german mayor had no idea

00:24:38.660 what the problem was because she comes from such a foreign culture yes well you would have thought

00:24:44.900 the magic soil would have done its job but oh yeah but maybe it didn't um yes so oh she didn't have

00:24:51.760 her own children yet did she does it say that no yeah no did not have her own children right well i mean

00:24:57.500 i mean why would you need to when you can you can just import them yeah um this was a fascinating

00:25:02.340 detail so um this girl is now going to be kept in in basically um special arrangements right to look

00:25:12.480 after her um you know we're not going to bother with the resting thing but we are going to need to

00:25:17.240 um you know provide for her so the total bill is apparently something like 36 000 euros a month

00:25:24.240 so uh do you earn 36 000 euros a month no you bloody don't well that's the thing you see

00:25:30.900 12 000 a month for staying in a secure psychiatric uh facility that's that no that's my favorite bit

00:25:36.720 the psychiatric facility yes right okay so she's just mad then maybe yes or and this is the problem

00:25:42.940 that the the liberal state has if if i can't understand the metaphysics of another culture they

00:25:47.300 must just be mad it's like no we just have our own view and they have very different views well why don't

00:25:52.980 we why don't we classify all of marley as a psychiatric facility then every single one of

00:25:59.740 them would be if they were brought here yes and subject to the standards by which we consider

00:26:05.560 um saint sanity there's an additional thing that's seriously wrong here that a woman can go to these

00:26:12.220 parts of the world adopt children and then all of a sudden they're the burden of the german taxpayer

00:26:20.520 why should the german people pay for these people i don't they're not from there they're obviously

00:26:26.140 not of germany germans tend not to do this to one another i mean that's exactly the point i'm coming

00:26:32.360 to actually so so another 21 000 for security guards and 3 000 for the adopted son placement so

00:26:37.980 we're looking at that so i worked it out the average german worker pays somewhere between eight

00:26:43.100 or nine thousand uh euros a year in taxes so basically from now on 50 german workers their sole

00:26:51.860 function is to provide for them is to provide for these adoptive children that the socialist mayor

00:26:58.820 decided to bring over and then you've also got to take into account there's a bit of extra cost this

00:27:03.180 year because of course there's the police operation there's the health care needed to bring her back up

00:27:07.880 to full standards there's the uh there's the air ambulance there's the icu there's the rehab uh

00:27:13.420 there's the extended forensics and you're looking at you know conservatively half a million for that

00:27:18.580 if not more so you've got another 60 german workers who all they're going to do this year is is pay for

00:27:25.140 this um pay for this event and then 50 workers for the rest of their life all they're going to do

00:27:30.080 is is basically provide for these uh these immigrants that the the socialist mayor brought in

00:27:35.800 and um i i have to wonder if there was possibly a lesson for the west in this quite possibly

00:27:43.260 but at least she isn't racist

00:27:45.080 uh the past the mess um the engaged few says mali sure has dropped off since mansa kusa uh i guess

00:27:54.480 the trade in salt and slaves just isn't as lucrative as it once was uh must be a difficult life for elon

00:27:59.460 to be a dilettante constantly being made an arsehole of by his own employees because they can't

00:28:03.100 bother to watch what they're doing i have no idea what that's about yeah uh the bonsall bomber says

00:28:09.580 i can't watch live today but can i have a birthday shout out to make it a good one please

00:28:12.920 or happy birthday to the bonsall bomber on youtube uh i we're in that moment when everyone realized

00:28:18.400 pro wrestling was fake uh kind of yeah uh if you don't believe how strange a world we currently live

00:28:23.800 in try counting how many times you censor yourself online a tick will do after a week reflect well uh

00:28:29.460 every day all the time basically and uh good morning mr personality and the people of mali have

00:28:34.720 teeth breeding habits and appearance well i'm not going to say that um but um samson's enjoying it

00:28:41.540 all right let's let us move on okay and let's try to try to keep it tight that's all right yeah no

00:28:50.340 worries so poland i think is a lovely country just look at this picture i mean who wouldn't want to

00:28:57.320 be there i'd love to sit there drink a coffee right now maybe have some lunch and do you know what you

00:29:01.600 would feel you'd feel safe you'd feel happy there's a beautiful area it looks clean it looks tidy it

00:29:07.380 looks orderly it looks like a country that actually functions i mentioned in the last segment i can't

00:29:12.920 even imagine what that's like oh i've forgotten mentioned before dominican republic is one of the worst

00:29:17.520 countries i've been to poland is probably one of the best it's just nice and what's interesting

00:29:22.780 about poland is it doesn't feel overcrowded either no it doesn't crack out and uh for a capital city

00:29:28.240 it was very spacious and i i mean i my experience being of london i thought underpopulated but that's

00:29:34.460 probably how things should be no it seems very nice i've never been i always have had it on my list

00:29:39.900 of places i want to go and it seems like a country that's got things right and uh it could be

00:29:46.200 because they pay attention to things like this ancient greek virtue ethics and this is of course

00:29:51.300 stelios's new course if you want to learn the wisdom of ancient greece from a greek himself

00:29:57.340 you would find no better than to sign up for this course and he also has a seminar at 6 p.m our time

00:30:05.440 on thursday if you want to ask him some questions about it as well as ask him some questions about

00:30:11.320 philosophy more generally so make sure to check that out but anyway the reason i wanted to talk

00:30:17.080 about this was this that uh poland is nearly as rich as the uk and this article does not answer

00:30:24.160 how has it caught up so fast it's just like well it's invested in infrastructure which i don't think

00:30:29.780 is nearly as much of the picture i think there's far more to it than that i'm going to read just a

00:30:34.380 little bit from this because it's not a very good article um in 1995 poland's gdp per capita was um

00:30:41.300 thirteen thousand six hundred dollars in today's money about 36 percent of britain's and roughly the

00:30:46.860 same as brazil's today poland's figure is forty four thousand five hundred dollars or 81 percent of

00:30:52.460 ours it may soon pull level since the end of 2019 britain's gdp per capita has grown by less than one

00:30:59.600 percent in real u.s dollars poland's has grown almost 18 percent nearly twice as much as that of

00:31:05.880 the u.s we had so much immigration i know you'd think we'd be so successful it's our strength after

00:31:11.940 all diversity but it's our superpower from zach polanski it turns out our superpower is poverty um

00:31:18.800 so i've even seen people speculating i'm not sure what figures they base this on

00:31:23.940 that they might overtake us by 2030 which is very interesting because of course we had such a head

00:31:29.900 start and of course i'm not going to uh bemoan poland doing well i'm happy to see you do well

00:31:36.160 um we're countries with uh you know a good friendship you know we helped you out in world war ii

00:31:41.920 um every poll i've met has been very nice and so i want you to do well the polls are great the question

00:31:47.660 isn't why is poland doing well the question is why are we failing well i think by looking at how

00:31:52.480 poland is doing well we can answer that question anyway and it's also worth mentioning as well this

00:31:57.720 is towards the end of this article in some ways poland is already ahead with faster mobile internet

00:32:02.900 cheaper electricity and more high-speed rail which is interesting isn't it but um even though that

00:32:09.220 living is just very reasonable out there you have a night out your meal some drinks and it doesn't

00:32:14.220 just doesn't cost much it's also worth mentioning as well um these are um maps of terror attacks

00:32:21.300 look at something that they've not had here's another map of terror attacks that's a bit more

00:32:26.960 extensive look at that big empty spot where poland i have the polish people in the chat are just sat

00:32:32.860 there swelling with pride and grinning you should be you deserve it absolutely deserve it obviously you

00:32:38.720 can see the middle east is just chock full of red dots northern ireland of course uh corsica there

00:32:45.500 um bosnia um looks like eastern ukraine so even bloody even bloody you know sweden and norway i mean

00:32:55.080 they've got some i mean even you know nice countries like that i wonder what this correlates sweden's

00:33:00.240 30 muslim now it's unbelievable it's actually it's genuinely unbelievable you think we've got it bad at

00:33:06.060 what 6.5 percent um at least in the official figure it's probably higher um with illegals well and also

00:33:12.940 with sweden and norway the reason that there probably aren't more dots is because nobody's

00:33:16.900 living in most of it well there are there are swedes living in most of it the the major urban

00:33:21.900 centers are where you can see the big red dot in malmo for example can't you and uh here's another

00:33:28.500 one so it seems like there's unanimity a couple got close we've got a lot yeah we do funnily enough

00:33:37.600 it's uh birmingham and london i wonder what's unique about those parts a lot in bristol too

00:33:43.020 oh you know but a couple of a couple of dots did get close to poland they just couldn't quite

00:33:48.640 cross that line yeah i wonder what's going on in that line yes was there a terror attack in the ocean

00:33:54.020 moving on yeah i don't understand that one yes yeah it could be piracy it's the it's the dutch again

00:34:00.180 that's what it is and um here we go um this is a bit zoomed in if you could zoom out a little bit

00:34:07.540 um samson i can't possibly think of why there's no terror attacks in poland i couldn't put my finger

00:34:13.800 on it um but uh i've strangely found this picture in here but um i found this this is from 2023 so it's

00:34:22.180 a little bit outdated um but it's still interesting here's a demographic breakdown of poland's

00:34:29.040 minorities so and i'm going to read a little bit of text underneath it it says among poland's

00:34:35.020 population of just over 38 million people the overwhelming majority 97.6 declare polish as their

00:34:41.760 primary um 97.4 or secondary 0.2 identity right so it was like england in 1980 yes and you see here

00:34:51.200 these these two minority groups here silesian and koshyubian um obviously you've got german

00:34:57.040 ukrainian belorussian what is a silesian in a i thought you might say that so here is silesia

00:35:04.300 it is just a bordering land of the czech republic and they are basically poles but they're sort of like

00:35:11.380 a okay an ethnic wait wait so so even their minorities are polish basically they are distinct

00:35:19.220 technically it's kind of like us having an irish minority in england yeah you know so you've you've

00:35:26.000 got like i don't know 500 000 irish or something it's kind of that for them i think yes well i mean

00:35:34.280 that's it i mean there was a time of course when the the the issues that we had were like i don't

00:35:38.780 know the irish or something or the welsh well not not really the welsh but definitely the irish yes

00:35:43.940 even then you know not not the worst problem you could have it turns out but what about these

00:35:49.200 koshyubians then yes i'm sure you've maybe not heard of them well that's where they're from

00:35:54.820 they're also polish yes and they those were the two major groups the silesians and koshyubians speak

00:36:01.520 polish i would presume so i think that all of the groups within poland speak polish right but they

00:36:08.760 they have i suppose distinct ethnicities and cultures but they're still very similar yeah

00:36:15.000 they overlap a lot with the poles but can you still get diversity as your strength if your

00:36:19.640 minorities are actually polish and they speak polish not really you've got a diverse variety of poles

00:36:26.120 yeah i don't think that's how it works though and you know you do get people trying to get into

00:36:32.760 poland here are some uh uh if we can keep this muted ideally because it's got some annoying music

00:36:40.200 in the background thank you um here are some lost tourists trying to find their way into poland and

00:36:46.520 the polish border guards are kindly kindly giving them a much-needed shower is it isn't this where

00:36:51.240 the belarusians were trying to and the russians are trying to get middle eastern migrants into poland

00:36:57.080 they funneled them across the port port and the poles are like no i mean this is a very different

00:37:03.640 approach than some other european countries isn't it and um see why they're not having terror attacks

00:37:09.000 in poland i know i mean also look at it's sort of like a a scene from the walking dead here isn't it

00:37:15.320 so base and so you can do that as border so why can't we have gunships in the channel yeah

00:37:22.520 yeah but they didn't even need to be gunships you could you could get a little royal navy little

00:37:27.240 cruiser thing you could put some of those water cannons on it and you could just be like turn

00:37:30.600 around now you're going to get squirted great question again if you're polish in the chat just

00:37:35.560 just smile just have a good time we are so envious so so envious here's another example uh samson could

00:37:42.120 you uh work your magic this is another one where there is music so uh i'm sorry um but here are

00:37:49.880 we're going to cut through that wall are we are we these are just some lost tourists trying to

00:37:54.760 find their way to the country and uh the very helpful border guards pull up immediately

00:38:01.320 and uh direct them back to where they they're looking for

00:38:05.240 here they are having a nice lay down floor face down for a while yeah they're just having a little

00:38:09.960 rest obviously it's very tiring and uh these helpful polish border guards are going to send them on their

00:38:14.680 way so based and uh there's also been some recent news i just want poland's border policy that's all

00:38:21.560 i want um this is only a couple of days ago poland says it will be exempt from eu migrant relocations

00:38:28.520 i like the way it's poland says no no we're going to be exempt we're going to be exempt and this is

00:38:33.240 the thing about all of these you know the echr and all that is like there's no enforcement mechanism

00:38:37.400 you can just choose not to do it and nothing can happen the wonderful thing is poland receive lots

00:38:42.600 lots of money from the eu yeah and then whenever there's something the eu makes them do that they

00:38:47.800 don't want to do they just say no well the germans said are you we all need to take our fair share of

00:38:51.240 migrants and the polls like no because i remember hearing the opposite a week ago but obviously

00:38:55.480 they've had to think about it it's like no you remember that campaign against drugs when people

00:39:00.280 are in school where it's just say no yes that's what poland is doing and it works and uh here's another

00:39:06.360 one poland proposes tougher rules for foreigners to obtain citizenship this was only a few days ago

00:39:11.400 when do those rules kick in because i'm just wondering whether i should make the jump now

00:39:16.120 i mean you might be able to get in there quickly so you might be able to get it even after the

00:39:19.320 rules right so the new measures would increase the minimum residency period from three to eight years

00:39:24.680 and require applicants to take a test prove uh providing no proving i can't read for some reason

00:39:29.720 uh they are integrated and sign a declaration of loyalty they say they have to speak polish yes

00:39:35.080 yes and they also have to sign a declaration saying they're going to be loyal to the country

00:39:40.440 which although symbolic i think is an important step and also um they actually do things about

00:39:47.720 people trying to break into their country here's another story from just a few days ago poland

00:39:52.280 charges gang accused of issuing fake university documents to allow foreigners to enter eu

00:39:56.440 so yes turns out if you have laws and enforce them and borders and patrol them and you know a

00:40:03.960 productive citizenry and protect their interests things go well for you it's funny that isn't it

00:40:09.560 and in fact um poland issued the fewest residence permits to immigrants in 10 years and that was

00:40:15.880 in september this news came out so well if it helps something we we issued the fewest residence

00:40:21.560 permits to immigrants in the last five years it went from a million to half a million checkmate poland

00:40:27.480 oh makes me feel so much better i know i'm i'm so i'm so sick of watching other countries just

00:40:32.520 dominate us in this kind of thing it's like look we could just do all of this we could do all of this

00:40:37.240 but poland has done the exact opposite of what we're told gdp is that's correct they have done

00:40:42.920 precisely the opposite well this is going to blow your mind you know you're going to have to pinch

00:40:47.560 yourselves polish property firm to reward customers who conceive babies in its hotels and apartments

00:40:53.800 oh very big which i never thought i would read so i was amazed by this i was doing it for free

00:41:02.040 what so how do they know i guess you have to tell them i i don't know whether they're going to have

00:41:08.280 like a judge with a clipboard just like hmm yes uh but it says in an effort to tackle poland's

00:41:13.240 demographic crisis one of the country's largest hotels and real estate firms i think it's arch or

00:41:18.280 archie has announced that it will offer rewards including cash payments and free parties to

00:41:23.800 clients who can see babies at its properties it will also offer bonuses to staff who have children

00:41:30.120 so yeah good for them the company um notes that for the last 12 years the annual number of deaths

00:41:35.480 has exceeded the number of births in poland so a private company here is taking the demographic

00:41:40.680 crisis upon its shoulders actually to be fair that is really 1.1 that is devastating so that

00:41:47.320 basically means that so you start with two grandparents then they have one child in the

00:41:52.520 year down to half so it's it's you quarter you cut your population to 25 within two generations

00:41:58.520 i mean ours is like 1.5 1.6 which is not great but now that is really bad but the difference is is that

00:42:05.320 all of those will actually be polish there is that but that's at least you'll have a poland at the end

00:42:10.200 of it yeah um the company notes that this decline would have a negative effect on public finances

00:42:14.680 and services quality of life and also the economy more broadly including its own business look at

00:42:19.480 this a company that actually cares about the country it operates in in an effort to raise awareness of

00:42:24.600 the issues and seek mitigate the problem it has announced a series of rewards for clients who

00:42:28.600 conceive at its properties guests who do so while staying at one of the group's 23 hotels all of

00:42:33.400 which are located in poland well done will receive a free family party such as baptisms at one of its

00:42:40.360 properties this is quite possibly the most based thing you actually need to rent a room i mean next

00:42:47.320 time i go on holiday to poland you get a free free baptism i mean and uh their relationship with the eu is

00:42:55.640 also incredibly respectable so obviously they get orders they get a lot of money basically in reparations

00:43:04.600 from germany um which is is funny they get the most and uh this is 2020 very same time as that um

00:43:12.360 demographic uh data and are you are you jesting there is it is it do they actually get reparations no

00:43:20.600 no no i'm i'm joking okay i thought the germans did pay the polish they did actually but i'm just

00:43:27.000 saying that it's sort of i thought that i thought that i'd run out by now i'm gonna i'm gonna i'm gonna

00:43:31.240 look it up yeah but um another thing they do um here it says eu launches legal action against

00:43:36.760 poland over lack of climate plan i think this might be why they have cheap energy um you're both

00:43:42.120 googling here i am poland is the only member state that has failed to submit the document um the

00:43:48.440 final deadline of which had passed well over a year ago so they've got this climate plan uh that

00:43:55.080 the eu is trying to push on everyone and even though poland benefits the most financially from

00:43:59.480 being in the eu they are the ones that tend to thumb their nose at the eu and say actually no we're

00:44:04.440 not going to have your silly climate plan we're going to do our own energy policy and lo and behold

00:44:08.840 they have cheap energy whilst germany has an energy crisis so i i just looked it up and uh they

00:44:14.200 poland demands reparations but the germans are refusing to pay yeah those stingy germans

00:44:18.840 yeah well we're asking for 1.3 trillion so still more reasonable than lenny henry isn't it yeah 18

00:44:26.120 trillion and way more reasonable 2.5 times the british economy and germany actually did do something

00:44:31.880 to poland within living memory as well it's not like you know lenny henry what happened to him

00:44:36.120 nothing he was raised in bloody england he was given comedy shows and made into a multimillionaire

00:44:40.840 yeah exactly he was made rich and famous and for that he wants 18 trillion so because they don't

00:44:46.520 have the eco climate stuff ruining their energy policy they receive money from the eu they run their

00:44:52.520 country competently what they do now have uh they have a booming space industry what um here is a

00:45:01.880 poll in space there is an old meme about this about poland not being able to get into space and here we are

00:45:09.160 and in fact um i believe it was the first ever polish mission to the international space station

00:45:15.600 launched in june so well done bravo uh we don't have a bloody space program we have one in cornwall

00:45:21.880 um but it's part of the eu i think it's a european thing and they just launched them from we do fund

00:45:26.960 india and they have a space program yeah that's a massive mistake to be fair coming back to the german

00:45:32.120 point most of poland actually is just german isn't it because they redrew redrew the boundaries a couple

00:45:37.800 was german and then they expelled the germans yes well i guess it's a small german minority i mean

00:45:43.960 my the last segment was kind of example of what happens when you've got germans being run like

00:45:49.920 germans and poland example of germany but not being run like germany well it's they're not german

00:45:55.800 all right so the the the territory that the germans had incrementally conquered from the uh sort of

00:46:03.240 slavic tribes over the past thousand years was basically very quickly taken back oh they all

00:46:08.940 left well they don't lay they weren't they didn't leave they were kicked out i would be remiss not to

00:46:15.900 mention this this is personal remittances which um if you're not familiar what a remittance is

00:46:21.100 it's money being sent back home and you can see this big old spike um around here when when we had

00:46:28.040 millions of polish people come over here yes but the thing is most of them went back home after they left the

00:46:33.080 u and uh you see it go back down again and their economy's still growing even though they're not

00:46:38.220 getting that much money being sent back home you know it's only 0.9 percent of the uh gdp per year

00:46:45.640 well this this is a potential fix to our situation because all we need to do is make pakistan as rich as

00:46:52.080 the uk per capita and then they're just all leave you're making the argument to build that airport in

00:46:58.040 mirpur well for a start yeah that's the the wonderful thing about the decline is that it

00:47:04.000 will incentivize everyone to leave except the british who are going to be saddled with all the

00:47:07.840 oh no it's incentivizing them to leave too i mean yeah hundreds of thousands a year well it's not like

00:47:12.300 we can go and get window cleaning jobs in poland and send the money back home yeah checkmate poland

00:47:16.500 and uh here's something that callum spotted recently someone just leaving a set of keys by a door

00:47:22.660 on a street with a lot of foot traffic because it seems like if you have a a country that's just

00:47:28.820 made up of the people who you know the poles who the country is named after there is high trust because

00:47:35.760 they are the same people that's also impressive coming out of the post-soviet era as well because

00:47:41.300 the one of the problems of the soviet union is the destruction of social bonds and so a lot of the

00:47:46.560 eastern european countries have a problem with trust so it's it's great it's great to see that

00:47:52.680 they're coming out of that and another thing that they've done well is uh comparing uh sexual assaults

00:47:58.940 for the sake of youtube well we're like the highest in the developed world now so so in the year 2000

00:48:04.940 for poland uh it was around 2000 2000 and a half and it's been cut by 53 to 1127

00:48:14.080 in britain it was around 8 000 of course larger population but it is now 68 000 and has gone up

00:48:20.560 692 percent i wonder what has changed in in these years well and whatever and whatever changed in the

00:48:27.440 uk clearly didn't happen in in poland diversity is our strength josh yes i guess so and uh i wanted to

00:48:34.380 end on a nice positive note um this won't get copyrighted because it's uh chopin who's one of

00:48:40.140 poland's great composers and uh it's just lots of people sat around in it might still get copyrighted

00:48:45.620 okay i'm still gonna mute it okay just to be safe but it's very pleasant just imagine you're listening

00:48:53.180 to chopin's nocturne number two in e-flat nature um i'm sure you're all familiar with it but here is

00:48:59.220 poland notice something about uh all the people here and how nice it is and how clean it is how

00:49:06.680 everyone is behaving civilly also like carl said that that is the most crowded bit of i didn't see

00:49:11.660 any bit of poland remotely near as crowded as that there's obviously something going on here right

00:49:15.960 like a rest and recycle or something yeah they're playing music at the minute um just in a park so

00:49:21.420 you could just walk into a park and stumble across this and it's a nice little alcove of civilized

00:49:28.340 society yeah i mean this is what england used to be like i remember seeing stuff like this in my

00:49:34.000 childhood yeah and not so much anymore and finally i wanted to to point out here is just

00:49:39.320 a street in poland i'm not going to play any audio or anything um look everything looks nice

00:49:46.500 everything works everything is clean everyone is behaving themselves a delivery driver was a polish man

00:49:54.040 this is what mass migration has taken from you and well done poland for staying strong i know

00:50:00.920 there's an immense amount of pressure on them but it doesn't have to be the way it is yeah look at

00:50:06.900 poland look at how successful they've been you know you can extrapolate the success of poland and

00:50:12.520 and see that how much wealth how much security how much safety how much quality of life has been robbed

00:50:18.920 from you by having mass migration imposed upon you across europe across america across most of the

00:50:25.360 western world poland has avoided this and has succeeded and i'm very glad for the poles but

00:50:31.400 this should also be the birthright of every european every american every person in the western world and

00:50:37.840 this has been robbed from us wesley says even if you make pakistan rich they'll never have a judicial

00:50:43.520 system as forgiving as the uk's uh yeah that's that's obviously very true a lot of nothing says

00:50:49.400 update my card game store is open not to the point of paying myself but i'm a local businessman well done

00:50:53.940 um uh the forsaken says uh a man whose handle is death to america in persian or whatever

00:51:00.140 is palestinian i know who you're talking about uh mag bar america or something literally means death

00:51:05.880 to america uh has gotten the ex head of product to ban like three top tier and non-posters yeah he's

00:51:11.060 he's a gay palestinian who can't live in palestine because he would be killed because he's gay he's a gay

00:51:15.220 prostitute uh he he wants us to cover it which we may well do because it's genuinely quite amusing

00:51:20.460 he constantly posts about how much he loves palestine but he just can't go back

00:51:23.940 because they'll kill him because he is a gay only fans prostitute so it's like okay there we go

00:51:28.300 um uh we also have a better immigration policy just got stronger a few days ago numbers are in the low

00:51:33.700 thousands we're getting tax cuts by next year well i'm with you elizabeth tax cuts as well yeah

00:51:38.980 just oh just okay anyway at least rape is cheap britain yeah let's let's move on because we do at

00:51:47.720 least have some good news in britain and that is that the male gaze is back uh the male gaze

00:51:55.040 after years of progress on gender is back on the menu the patriarchy has returned and this is an article

00:52:03.080 from uh madeline holcomb is it possible to have a more whiter anglo name i was just thinking that

00:52:11.960 actually yeah my goodness she and she's basically just a little mommy blogger oh i've been to eight

00:52:17.860 weddings then i had my own here's what i learned more than 99 of heart disease cases blah blah blah

00:52:22.080 wellness goals time to address your insomnia why do you have so much problem with insomnia just out

00:52:28.060 of interest this is not an author that i think i've read before no weirdly enough but you know old

00:52:33.460 relationship dynamics remain even as women change outdated money trends you can see what that is women

00:52:38.680 are earning more than men and yet they still expect the men to pay for everything right in this again

00:52:42.780 yeah you can see this is receipts right this this is she's the most stereotypical um yeah 2016 feminist

00:52:51.760 it is possible to be and it's incredible that such a person still exists uh the world has changed and

00:52:57.380 she has not changed with it so why is she excited about the male gaze return well she's disappointed

00:53:01.840 in fact well let's let's in fact go through this summer i got cultural whiplash as a child of the

00:53:07.680 90s and early 2000s i grew up with my mother's and grandmother's generations fight for legal and

00:53:12.040 workplace equality helping shed social misogyny in the i was social misogyny i was a 2010 tumblr

00:53:19.180 feminist is what you're saying right also you know is there anti-social misogyny what i'm just confused

00:53:25.300 by that it implies the existence of it right in the past decade in particular again since 2015 i saw the

00:53:32.200 evidence of progress in my media diet the movies shows books and advertisements i consumed

00:53:36.960 were increasingly giving women a seat at the table as if when i was growing up women weren't

00:53:41.880 on tv i love the idea but it just wasn't true um heroin chic fell away and body positivity entered

00:53:47.740 the fashion world stories about a woman stealing your man were traded for the celebration of the

00:53:51.600 girl's girl who resisted competition for men's attention and when my husband and i got married

00:53:56.420 whoa whoa whoa whoa i thought you didn't want men's attention what are you talking about why are you

00:54:00.280 following the patriarchy getting married to your husband are you not a strong independent woman who

00:54:03.780 doesn't need no man i thought that's what you're telling us anyway moving on our vision of our

00:54:08.360 life what our life could be included wide-ranging possibilities influenced in part by the movies and

00:54:12.700 shows we grew up with we saw read and listened stories of involved fathers successful mothers

00:54:16.960 and well-matched partners who supported one another it seemed like women were taking a deeper breath

00:54:21.660 without such heavy cultural restrictions npcs are real and they walk amongst us they write for cnn

00:54:28.560 and then there was a shift was it and this is this is where the patriarchy strikes back

00:54:34.400 was it around 2024 president presidential election that was probably about the 2016 2017 presidential

00:54:40.060 election right or the overturn of roe versus wade or maybe when men's rights activists push back

00:54:45.360 it's me too my god what era are we in this was only published the other day whatever the catalyst the

00:54:51.640 change in the political environment seemed to connect with a social change that brought back

00:54:54.980 narrow and that sometimes constrictive ideas of womanhood depicted in media based i'm completely

00:55:00.820 for it what's she talking about well because there's occasionally a good-looking woman in adverts

00:55:05.180 now yes that's exactly what her objection is all right this is something i constantly say to women

00:55:09.920 which is probably uh a waste of time but i'm just like well why are you concerned how the media

00:55:15.860 depicts you maybe it's just my brow beaten way of like yeah the media depicts men terribly all the

00:55:22.120 time because she just just have a an internal sense literally agency literally as dan said she is an

00:55:29.000 npc we saw read and listened to stories of all these things and we were like oh great the patriarchy's

00:55:33.780 over i'm now in the new feminist utopia and i can be a boss babe who gets married and works at cnn

00:55:39.460 and we split the bill with my husband to believe people actually exist like this well they do

00:55:44.600 just there's no internal thoughts it's just sensory input translates to directly to internal dialogue

00:55:52.620 it's fascinating i need like without any kind of rational into the intercession exactly yeah

00:55:57.700 this is the thing you need to remember all these past phases is everyone else has grown out of them

00:56:03.100 but you are going to get some people who are 2010 tumblr feminists forever there's going to be

00:56:07.560 some people who are stuck in covid forever yes and yeah you you see like you know in california or

00:56:12.540 whatever people with their masks on you're like what the hell's wrong with you um the rise of recent

00:56:16.480 weight loss medications coincided with social media influencers sharing ways to get smaller and no

00:56:20.340 longer celebrating bodies of all sizes oh my god i can't believe that the celebration of um morbidly

00:56:26.140 obese people uh has not stuck with society advertisements followed suit because it turns out

00:56:32.220 they don't sell actually putting uh really attractive women and men on the advertisements

00:56:36.900 is what sells things to people which the advertising industry knew for the entire history of the

00:56:41.820 advertising industry until about 2010 when insecure white women were like actually i'm feeling fat

00:56:48.300 like well we've got a zempic for that now as well so you know you don't even have to feel that way

00:56:52.480 why do we think this particular woman might be resentful of attractive women i don't know i i think

00:56:57.660 for her this is all um she's not an unattractive woman or anything so i i think this is all for her

00:57:03.260 um a kind of academic exercise theoretical right this is this is she grew up with mainstream feminism

00:57:09.960 and now that has dissipated mostly because women don't want it which we'll get into very shortly

00:57:16.580 uh she doesn't know what to do with herself but as you see advertisements follow suit making men's desire

00:57:22.620 once again a dominating factor in how stories are told and how women are portrayed yes because it turns

00:57:27.380 out that women still want men and women want to be like okay being morbidly obese didn't get me the

00:57:34.960 man so i need something else uh the culprit she has learned is the male gaze it's always been there

00:57:41.580 and now step back into the spotlight so uh she gets to the male gaze uh obviously she's complaining

00:57:47.840 about the american eagle sydney sweeney advert uh there was something called elf beauty i've never heard

00:57:52.880 of this uh that had a comedian who made a domestic violence joke and there was a viral content around

00:57:58.940 an only fan star's attempt to break the world record for most sexual partners in one day

00:58:02.520 who was that for yeah the thing is name her yeah but the thing is bonnie blue did go on a podcast and

00:58:09.060 say yeah but this is the most feminist you can possibly be yes like she literally said i am the

00:58:14.840 end product of feminism well she's right i agree like a vanguard she's going to be so shocking that

00:58:21.780 she's going to push people to traditionalism she was saying that she didn't want to uh sleep with

00:58:26.840 illegal immigrants the other day which is weird body blue the patriot um i'm not endorsing her by the

00:58:33.900 way no not in any way but the point is uh she she said of herself that i'm i'm the end version of

00:58:39.060 feminism so what's the problem and of course there is no problem it's just not exactly um

00:58:45.060 enhancing women's dignity and that's kind of what this woman's entire perspective is based on so i'm

00:58:51.000 an i'm an independent atomic human being who needs no one else uh but she made a lucrative career move

00:58:56.480 uh more viral by bashing wives and girlfriends of her sexual partners suggesting men cheating is the

00:59:01.220 fault of women who aren't available enough for sex well i mean that's bonnie blue's opinion and

00:59:05.780 you're free to disagree with it uh most typically the male gaze is about representing women in media

00:59:10.400 solely to satisfy heterosexual men good we're back if you're observing women in tv and movies uh in

00:59:18.940 movies tv fashion social media uh they don't feel to you as fully materialized as their male counterparts

00:59:24.780 then you have discovered the male gaze men don't want that either like it's also a silly argument when

00:59:32.420 i watched alien i didn't object i was just like oh damn it you know ripley is not an attractive

00:59:38.360 woman i was because the character was well written and the the film was good i didn't really think

00:59:43.820 about it i was absorbed it's because everything is forced and done so poorly i know what you're

00:59:48.600 talking about when i was watching predator i was like yeah i feel fully materialized in this

00:59:51.980 arnold schwarzenegger's rippled you know ripped and wandering around i'm like yeah yeah that's me

00:59:56.840 apparently the film alien was written for a man and then they decided to put in sigourney weaver

01:00:01.460 and they didn't change a single line of dialogue that's how you do it then i guess yeah that's the

01:00:06.700 way to that's the way to do it but um but anyway yeah she she carries on she complains about bond

01:00:11.540 girls and she's oh the male gaze has always been around um but of course this comes from feminist

01:00:16.200 theory coined by film critic laura mulvey in 1975 so you can see this is just entirely archaic

01:00:23.620 because she's like oh no women look attractive and women like to be looked at first things i noticed as a

01:00:28.160 kid is that on magazines aimed at men they have an attractive woman on the cover yes and magazines

01:00:33.680 targeted at women also have an attractive woman yes so basically everything just has an attractive

01:00:38.780 woman yes but you know why that is right well it can't just be the male gaze well it kind of is

01:00:45.700 actually in a way they're kind of right it's because men like to look at attractive women and

01:00:50.220 women want to be looked at by men because men aren't buying cosmopolitan or whatever the other

01:00:55.620 ones are no but of course but the the point on cosmopolitan is it's kind of an aspirational

01:01:00.180 thing right so look uh you women are very uh judgmental of each other and so you you women

01:01:09.920 are aware of the kind of women that men are attracted to and they have lots of bad words

01:01:14.060 for those women when they feel threatened by them and how to end up looking like that is the the

01:01:19.720 purpose of the magazine all these magazines my wife buys these all the time and you you you flip

01:01:23.640 through them you see it's like how to do this how to how to lose weight how to put your makeup on how

01:01:27.880 to do all that how to be attractive to men basically for research purposes isn't it well what the

01:01:32.560 magazine yeah yeah yeah this is basically what it's for yeah and also actually the cover is supposed to

01:01:37.160 be like a you know this is what you'll look like after you've followed the steps inside exactly so

01:01:41.500 but like nigella lawson on the cover of cosmopolitan or something like you could end up looking like

01:01:45.720 her right and this is her experience and how she became what she is and you know that the men

01:01:50.900 who watch nigella lawson think she's a babe or whatever and therefore you can step into that

01:01:55.100 role that yourself that's what's being appealed to so the male gaze is not just about men it's also

01:02:01.600 about women and lots of women like i would like men to like me because the validation makes me feel

01:02:06.640 good and there are a slew of articles that we've covered uh before of women when they're getting

01:02:10.480 older saying oh i feel invisible now because the male gaze is absent from my life men are no longer

01:02:15.320 checking me out as i walk past and it's hitting my confidence that's one thing i've noticed whenever

01:02:20.640 i walk past well i've seen a woman walk past a building site and get wolf whistled uh they are

01:02:27.640 glowing yeah they love it they're so happy well it's i mean it's complimentary yes one phenomenon i have

01:02:32.800 noticed is that if if a man doesn't pay attention to an attractive woman it drives her mad yes and they

01:02:40.880 either think that they hate them or she's like what they're really interested in him liking her yes

01:02:46.500 this is why you should never simp simping is the opposite of getting a woman to be interested in

01:02:51.540 you anyway so she carries on and uh points out that this is about power it's about power it's about

01:03:00.140 the interaction between men and women it's like yeah but this is all normal and men and women interact

01:03:04.720 and there is a power on both sides which i don't think we need to explain anymore i mean god we spent

01:03:10.000 a decade explaining that back in 2015 and so she carries on well what about the female gaze it's

01:03:16.280 like well yeah there there are women who are interested in stories that are not about men right

01:03:23.320 and so she gives examples of greta gerwig and her film ladybird it's like yeah okay they're exploring

01:03:30.100 the coming coming of age and experiences of women it's like yeah there are films for women they're

01:03:34.860 called chick flicks i don't understand why those films exist like coming of age films more generally

01:03:38.720 i know this is a bit blasphemous and there are some good ones like stand by me and the like but

01:03:43.560 surely if you're coming of age you and all of your peers are having that experience so you should

01:03:50.080 have enough information it's like sort of needless it's i think it's a bit for social validation so

01:03:54.940 you make sure you don't feel you're weird women don't gravitate towards these topics i know what

01:03:59.000 women watch because i see what my wife watches when i'm not around and i walk in to find she's watching

01:04:03.540 it's always something about a relationship or getting back together or it's always some

01:04:08.560 relationship film yeah but this is a mother-daughter relationship right because women are not that

01:04:14.240 kind well women are very relational people they're very social they express their social power in

01:04:19.920 everything they do and part of their social power over men is the way they look and how men react to

01:04:25.880 it this is a part of this thing unless the mother-daughter relationship was and the daughter was from

01:04:30.700 marley then i'd watch that film right um but the uh you've got you know bridesmaids and all these

01:04:36.120 sort of things so it's fun this is a totally normal genre there have always been chick flicks

01:04:40.020 that are focused there are four women that are focused around the normal things that women have

01:04:45.320 to go through through their lives in relation to their mothers and their fathers in relation to

01:04:49.040 their husbands and whatever this is totally normal and so like parading this around like it's some

01:04:55.280 sort of triumph like no this is just normal this is just normal everything's returning

01:04:59.280 to normal the return of the male gaze is the return to normality and of course she brings up

01:05:05.680 the bechdel test does anyone know what the bechdel test is oh i think i do that's the one where there

01:05:10.020 has to be like a i don't know a minute or something of two women talking to each other about something

01:05:15.220 that isn't a man yeah can you imagine how boring that would be yes but uh apparently many films fail

01:05:21.580 this um watched master and commander the other night yeah definitely failed it not a single woman

01:05:27.180 anyway the pendulum is swinging back as we can see so throughout history the pendulum swings one way

01:05:33.520 then it comes back and that's true i think the pendulum is swinging back decades of fighting for

01:05:39.700 women's suffrage in the united states found success in 1920 that kicked off some of the relaxation and

01:05:44.360 restrictions on women instead of costed dresses women opted for looser fitting flapper frocks with boyish

01:05:50.080 shape but in the 1930s trends changed again and women were more feminine cinched waist so yeah but

01:05:57.240 no one was doing that to you right like it wasn't like the restrictions on women like there wasn't a

01:06:03.480 law that said that women had to wear costed dresses or something but i think that um men and women see

01:06:09.060 restrictions differently i think you know we look at these sorts of things and say well you know if we

01:06:13.900 want to do it we can because men are tend tend to be more disagreeable i don't care what other people

01:06:19.040 think yeah exactly um and and that's in many ways what women often find attractive about men whereas

01:06:24.700 women are of course different to that which is no judgment one way or the other you know the differences

01:06:29.460 complement one another if you let women pick their own clothes and and they they are choosing to dress

01:06:35.040 more feminine i mean this is all building towards she wants to put women in burkas

01:06:38.680 kind of um but the the point is you are right is the the tyranny of social opinion right and the thing

01:06:45.280 is when it comes to clothes men are really kind of uh not that judgmental about women's clothes it

01:06:53.580 tends to be women who are judgmental about women's clothes but then world war ii broke out and women

01:06:57.780 were brought into the workplace in the 40s fashion became functional utilitarian but when the war ended

01:07:02.580 women were forced out of the workplace and uh became the 1950s housewife the new old style of

01:07:09.120 femininity but i love this quote here historically speaking there's almost always a backlash after

01:07:13.140 women have achieved something did you achieve world war ii what are you talking about like the woman's

01:07:21.840 achievement is getting to be the 1950s housewife like that's the achievement where's the backlash when

01:07:27.900 you say thank you honey for cooking these lovely cookies like this this is the dream that some

01:07:33.220 women got to live that most women don't get to live by the way uh anyway so then your female

01:07:38.120 achievement is finding a good husband uh well apparently it's going to college at higher rates

01:07:42.280 than men the gender pay gap starting to close well it's inverted in some industries now and uh having

01:07:47.760 children later which explains the uh no i think all of that is wrong well oh yeah and lgbtq rights which

01:07:54.180 somehow has something to do with women made strides and body positivity press companies

01:07:57.880 diversified depictions of beautiful people uh and this is the death of civilization right here

01:08:02.100 this this is what is killing civilization right uh the the going to college at higher rates than men

01:08:07.460 means that women who want to marry a man they find more impressive than themselves

01:08:11.860 have naturally narrowed their own pool of potential partners sorry the last segment about how

01:08:16.740 you know poland we're talking about there but many other countries as well got birth um you know

01:08:21.140 reproduction rate of one which means you quarter your population over two generations

01:08:25.080 i mean basically everything on that list is to do that yes it's to make that happen it's i mean

01:08:31.080 i i know i don't care about overstating it giving women rights is going to lead to the extermination

01:08:38.520 of civilization oh i don't know extermination i think that's a bit too hard the the the gradual

01:08:43.100 collapse of civilization right um because we go with the softer just a collapse then yeah um because

01:08:49.000 like again this this whole thing the the women earning more money because they're better educated

01:08:54.100 the men okay but they're not prepared to marry down so they're not going to get the little toy

01:08:57.480 boys who sit at home they still as she said in the other article uh expect men to pay for everything

01:09:02.340 but if men are earning as much as you and also they all change their mind but they do it now in

01:09:08.220 their mid-30s and then desperately get the baby rabies yeah they're having children later as she points

01:09:12.920 out but then you can that's because they all realize it's a mistake but then you've got far fewer

01:09:16.840 options you end up having far fewer children and then of course uh body positivity tanked a bunch of

01:09:22.160 companies which is why the sydney sweeney advert came out and did a great job for american eagle

01:09:27.340 and so this these trends are followed by the uh retro popularity of trad wives and it shows

01:09:32.520 the inspiration that actually the the virtues of being a woman in the traditional mold are actually

01:09:39.040 something that's coming back and she complains about the adverts with women in but we'll skip over

01:09:43.800 that and she gets to the ideological gap between men and women particularly younger ones now this is

01:09:48.840 actually very interesting because the key findings gen zed and millennials are more likely to think

01:09:54.200 that a man who stays home to look after his children is less of a man now what's interesting

01:09:59.040 about that is that's 27 of millennials think that the most propagandized feminist generation ever and

01:10:04.900 thanks 20 25 of gen zeders that's disappointing gen zed what are you doing you think a man who stays

01:10:13.080 home to look after his kids is not less of a man are you you know what it what is wrong with you

01:10:17.320 what it might be is that gen z they still not necessarily establish themselves and it's also

01:10:22.640 difficult so i'm not necessarily playing they grew up in the wake of feminism so exactly so i think

01:10:27.980 millennials are sort of coming to the realization yeah actually there is some proof to this basically

01:10:32.860 though three quarters of gen zed men are gay that's what so i did i did briefly do this when i

01:10:37.600 retired from the city and i thought i'll just do investing from home i was home a lot and then the

01:10:41.800 wife had a little job thing that she liked to go and do and so then i'd stay and look after the kids

01:10:46.100 and so i did this about a year and then i thought no no you can quit your job yes and i'll just i'll

01:10:52.220 just find a way to keep myself busy yeah if you're a man watching this you have to be the breadwinner

01:10:56.320 right ideally your wife earns zero and you earn all the money uh and no but notice that gen x is 20

01:11:01.840 uh we're like oh no that's fine that's terrible and the boomers are 11 11 of boomers thinks that

01:11:09.620 think that a man who stays home to look after his children is less of a man they're the most

01:11:13.600 liberal generation that have existed i mean it's nice that the numbers are trending in that direction

01:11:19.300 though well against that yeah yes but 89 of boomers like yeah there's no difference between a man and

01:11:24.920 a woman it's totally fine no that's that's totally wrong they're off on their cruises aren't they

01:11:30.000 slowly riding out the decline of civilization and they they inherited the traditional way of life

01:11:35.700 from their very conservative parents but the next one is good uh there's a 20 point difference between

01:11:42.020 gen z men and gen z women when it comes to thinking that women's equality discriminates against men but

01:11:46.920 even then 40 of gen z women are like yeah this discriminates against men and 60 of gen z men like

01:11:52.380 yeah i'm being discriminated against so that's good and uh yeah so that's interesting findings from her

01:11:59.000 there and uh she goes on to point out that you know you've got people like mark zuckerberg who's like

01:12:03.880 well we need more masculinity and uh in fact there was another there was another bit i think

01:12:08.820 we'll get to that um yeah uh half people uh think uh that men are being expected to do too much

01:12:18.240 to promote equality and uh less than two in five identify themselves as feminists

01:12:22.880 and so you've got a large number of people who are just not into this actually i would like to live in

01:12:29.560 a more normal way anyway so she's complaining about the pushback here and obviously uh she's

01:12:36.740 complaining that a lot of women are signing on to the male gaze it's like well why would that be

01:12:40.800 why would it be that women are actually you know what i like it when i'm the focus of a man's attention

01:12:47.420 and when he gives me money why why why would they want a traditional lifestyle what is it about

01:12:54.820 that that works for them well it turns out that actually we tried feminism right we tried it and

01:13:00.760 we've tried it since the 70s and all it's done is made women really really miserable um well no that's

01:13:08.380 not all it's done well okay that's not all it's done but it's all it's done for women yes it's ruined

01:13:13.200 western civilization as well so it's also that yes there is a there's a great graph in this uh if i can find

01:13:19.520 it it's miles down um there we go female happiness there we go yeah yeah happiness by gender so as

01:13:30.140 you can see back in the 70s while feminism was kicking off uh people were relatively happy they

01:13:35.880 relatively similar women were in fact happier than men before the widespread effects of feminism took

01:13:41.720 hold in society and then during the 80s when women were as liberated as one could expect them to be

01:13:48.140 men became happier and then it's just been a downward slope ever since and then 2015 feminism came along

01:13:56.700 and everyone was like oh no massive decline but a bigger decline for women women are not happy

01:14:04.600 with the future the feminists brought about no one's happy but women less so and of course you've got

01:14:11.120 satisfaction with present financial situation despite earning more than ever before

01:14:16.260 women are far less happy than their grandparents well that's the problem because they all want a man

01:14:22.120 who earns more than them yes they have a majority of the way of the university attendance the burden

01:14:27.840 rests on your shoulders ladies men for some reason are completely happy with this and i can only assume

01:14:33.580 it's because a bunch of bros are sat around drinking their beers playing their xboxes working their

01:14:37.040 minimum wage jobs being like yeah this is great what are you talking about we don't need you feminists

01:14:41.220 anymore we can enjoy our lives and we've we've got you know what feminism has actually gifted men

01:14:46.760 it's the liberation of men yeah we we now you know get to send you off we get some peace from you

01:14:51.640 you get to chip in a bit on the bill so we get more to you know spend money with the bros and have a fun

01:14:56.600 what this is doing is destroying civilization it is yes it's not good for either men have to return to

01:15:01.400 their position as the sole provider and breadwinner but the person upon whom the responsibility for the

01:15:06.400 household actually rests and women want it that way even they when they became the person who the

01:15:13.440 responsibility for breadwinning rests on they're not happy we're not happy out earning the men we're

01:15:18.420 not happy with modern feminism it's made them very miserable i'm just going to read from the abstract

01:15:23.620 on this because it's just remarkable and it see it seems like feminism at this point is completely

01:15:28.940 indefensible right using data across countries and across time we show that women have worse mental

01:15:34.380 health than men in negative effect equations irrespective of the measure used anxiety

01:15:39.160 depression fearfulness sadness loneliness and anger and they have more days with bad mental health and

01:15:44.660 more restless sleep women are also less satisfied with many aspects of their lives such as democracy

01:15:49.140 the economy the state of education the health services they're also less satisfied in the moment in

01:15:54.100 terms of peace and calm cheerfulness feeling active vigorous fresh and rested uh differences vary over

01:16:00.500 time and with models um specification blah blah they don't carry on say you know this is basically

01:16:05.720 all things but as in the past women continue to have worse mental worse mental health even after the

01:16:12.120 pandemic men's mental health bounced back after the pandemic women's didn't uh and uh this is just

01:16:18.360 all over the place it is worth mentioning that women tend to be predisposed to neurotic tendencies

01:16:24.600 more so um than men are yeah at a baseline and so having these aggravating factors only makes it all the

01:16:31.620 worse you know for them and it's horrible really because yep it's like society's been set up to

01:16:38.600 psychologically torture them and it's it's horrible no i don't want that it has and that's what 2015

01:16:44.040 feminism is all about and so this woman complaining well the male gaze has come out women are signing on to

01:16:49.680 the male gaze yeah well maybe because they want less anxiety they want less depression they want

01:16:54.640 less fearfulness they want less sadness they want less loneliness they want less anger they want better

01:16:59.440 mental health they want more restive sleep knowing that actually their husbands are the ones taking

01:17:04.120 care of these problems because their husbands are the ones who are equipped by nature to deal with it

01:17:08.100 because actually this is what made men happy men were always perfectly happy uh before feminism and now

01:17:15.380 well look where we are like for men this was always perfectly fine look at all this all of this

01:17:21.180 you know when before like we had like full-throated feminism you could still live a traditional life

01:17:26.780 it was all fine and everyone was happy apart from obviously so often the wife comes to me with some

01:17:31.760 concern that she's got and i'll just be like don't worry about it i've got it yeah and that's my job

01:17:37.800 and that's exactly to reassure your wife everything is fine and you can take care of it and now the

01:17:42.840 women are finding themselves in that position and they're like well we don't have enough money

01:17:46.280 we don't have i watched a caesar milan video once the dog trainer dude yeah and and he was saying

01:17:52.600 that um if you don't show leadership to your dog your dog will see the vacuum and feel the need to fill

01:18:00.080 it in and that's incredibly stressful for the dog especially if it's a little dog you talk you're

01:18:05.440 basically torturing your animal by not providing leadership it's it's it's not sure i want to compare

01:18:10.720 women to dogs well i i was i was making a sort of broader psychological it's it's true of men as

01:18:16.700 well to a certain extent i'm i'm simply saying that it's unfair it's torturous against them if you don't

01:18:22.880 be the man i can i can dress up what you're saying in a more presentable way so you know it when you

01:18:31.240 when an organism be it man woman animal um doesn't feel a sense of certainty and security in their

01:18:39.280 situation it causes them anxiety and and having a sense of leadership gives you a sense of clear

01:18:44.980 direction and that's you know true of us we talk about all the time about not having good leadership

01:18:49.360 in our country and so it's not necessarily um gender specific but you know there might be

01:18:57.440 certain cases where it rests more on one side or the other i would like to just stress for the

01:19:02.040 audience that i like both women and dogs so that was not a slight against evil anyway so the the

01:19:09.140 point that we come to and the the point that she's complaining about is that the return of the male

01:19:15.120 gaze uh the the traditional way that sight is run uh is because feminism has failed women it's made

01:19:21.540 them unhappy it's made them fearful it's made them depressed and actually a lot of them are like

01:19:26.360 actually i i kind of would like a man to pay attention to me and so the male gaze has returned

01:19:32.420 and normality will return with it let's go to the video comments

01:19:36.660 that's nice and reassuring i know nature is healing cnn's just like oh no yeah well deal with it

01:19:45.620 that article was so painful i can just imagine the glazed view of her husband they're like yes

01:19:50.880 honey sure yeah exactly just all the way through that i imagine he's heard these sorts of things

01:19:56.640 and he's just nodding like of course dear no honey i don't want you to dress sexy no i don't want to

01:20:01.000 look at you no no of course not that would be the male gaze you're a strong independent woman

01:20:05.900 let's carry on too often flawed political spectra have strange orderings and feature the names of

01:20:12.840 political parties right and left only describe who is in power and who is not concomitantly flipping

01:20:18.400 the scale when elections carry a new majority i think our yardstick needs fresh gradations where

01:20:23.460 conservative and liberal are not positions on the line but forces acting upon it in the socialist

01:20:29.180 phenomenon igor shafarewicz describes socialists becoming conservatives desperately trying to preserve

01:20:34.640 their twisted state conservatives are the immovable object and liberals are the irresistible force

01:20:39.920 there's definitely something to that this guy's little mini video essays are very good aren't they

01:20:45.720 they are very very good what was his name i forget now but alex oh yeah he's very good i've always

01:20:52.340 been sort of frustrated with the way that you have this linear political yeah uh line it doesn't really

01:20:59.040 map onto reality very well it's a very flawed way of understanding political differences is there

01:21:05.020 another one samson that's it right okay all right to the website comments kurt says i feel like when

01:21:12.100 whatever judge or police officer decide to kick the can down the road and spare that girl from prison

01:21:16.440 needs to be held responsible for whatever crime she commits in the future um well the thing is being 17

01:21:21.780 means she's going to be exempt from a bunch of uh more serious charges anyway right so that's quite

01:21:28.060 silly in a way i know you you by that point by 17 you know that torturing your own adoptive mother

01:21:35.440 is wrong so i think that you can hold someone morally accountable if you're able to torture someone

01:21:39.740 you should be held morally accountable for that exactly yeah and she might be like a week away from

01:21:44.260 her birthday yeah and it makes all the difference josep says liberals will see a place like mali and

01:21:51.440 believe that it was ordained by the universe that would always be like that and then not not the people

01:21:55.500 there made it like that well that's the thing like the the the interplay between the sort of um

01:22:00.120 nature of the people there and the culture they produce and then the inheritance of the culture itself

01:22:06.900 is so unbelievably complex the idea that you oh just pluck them out and let's be normal elsewhere it's

01:22:11.480 like this is such an obvious boondoggle as i keep saying they're not like us and you don't understand

01:22:17.580 well well people also misunderstand the liberal principle of being equal before the law and people being

01:22:23.440 equal interpersonally like you know both are wrong-headed but also the interpersonal one is

01:22:31.720 completely insane like you've got to be equal before the law but that's come english so obviously i think

01:22:37.240 that you know that should be the case but like i think that there should be some degree of special

01:22:42.020 dispensation for the native population as in it should you should be punished more if you're a guest in

01:22:47.840 the country for doing something than if you're a native not that you should be more lenient lots of asian

01:22:52.600 countries are like that i i would never drive in an asian country because they kind of have the

01:22:56.500 philosophy that if there is an accident and you're in it irrespective of how that accident happened

01:23:02.200 the fact is that because you were there it could happen and if you weren't there it couldn't have

01:23:07.280 happened and therefore it's your fault even if somebody just rear ends you which is funny but i don't

01:23:12.660 really want to end up living in an asian country no but i'm just saying that they they are able to

01:23:19.240 adopt this attitude and it works for them whereas we kind of take the complete opposite stance which

01:23:23.680 is always the native's fault when you say it works for them there isn't a single asian country i'd

01:23:27.480 rather live in than england in like the 1990s yes but well we don't get the option of living well

01:23:33.240 we can make it happen we can bring it back i think the problem is that we've just allowed this

01:23:39.400 none of this happened to us like by accident or like through immutable forces of the universe

01:23:44.560 this was all done by policy and so it can be reversed by policy hector says uh what i got

01:23:49.980 from this segment is i need to establish a witch hunting organization this is clearly a gap in the

01:23:53.960 market uh well i mean there is in in europe uh michael says to josh's point on raising children

01:24:00.120 my stepson grew up in japan till he was seven came to the u.s went to school kept his japanese

01:24:04.140 language and culture is now a fully integrated i.e right-wing american citizen while my daughter was

01:24:08.760 raised in a bicultural household is bi-fluent and also oddly enough right-wing it's almost like i

01:24:15.280 don't know maybe it's nature and nurture uh it's obviously both have an effect on the way people

01:24:20.120 turn out um but uh honestly though in the individual case of that woman being stabbed up by a daughter

01:24:25.520 i reckon that it's the daughter not being like a woke german and like

01:24:34.940 trying to say this without being racist to germans um there's a kind of browbeating liberal that

01:24:46.280 manifests in german culture worse than in our culture because they have an expectation of

01:24:52.140 rule following and yes i have this kantian objective rule that there was all places there

01:24:58.980 was that great quote by lenin wasn't there that if the if the germans were going to have a riot

01:25:03.180 at a train station they'd buy a ticket first yes it's very much that kind of way and so if you apply

01:25:09.260 that to a girl from mali who has rules but they're not formal rules they're social rules like relational

01:25:17.100 rules tribal rules um you could see how being the adopted child of a german liberal woman could feel

01:25:27.020 like a fucking prison oh and it would for me and i'm from mali right yeah and i i would hate it more

01:25:33.420 than anything and i'd hate that woman too uh so i should read some of the uh letters from the 19th

01:25:39.020 century to european powers from west african kings complaining about liberalism just saying it won't work on

01:25:45.100 us it doesn't work they're brilliant i've been reading them recently because i've been writing

01:25:50.460 about lenny henry and you'll have to send it across to me that is hilarious but uh but that's the point

01:25:56.220 right the the imposed rules of the german liberal feminist i could see that drawing someone mad uh anyway

01:26:03.640 lucas says uh kazubians are a separate slavic people with their own language they all speak polish

01:26:09.900 though tuskers are kazubian sorry kazubians uh silesians are also a separate slavic group that

01:26:15.260 they are integrated they have a polish german language of their own i'm not part of poland for

01:26:19.100 most of our history they voted to go back to poland after the great war right that's interesting thank

01:26:23.100 you for the history but basically yeah their their minorities are polish i can't believe there's a

01:26:27.820 whole two new races i never knew about until today yeah uh remember i've heard of silesian sausage

01:26:33.100 which is particularly good that's how i've heard all i know is delicious food uh but honestly the

01:26:40.380 whole sort of central and eastern europe the food sausages are great they're really the best part of

01:26:46.140 german culture the sausages uh roman observer says uh the enforcement of the international rules is

01:26:50.780 called the financial pressure uh some countries can resist others cannot i too am envious of poland's

01:26:56.300 border policy who isn't lots of people saying very nice things about poland so we'll skip on to the

01:27:01.900 male gaze because i don't want to remind myself i live in england and not poland george says feminists

01:27:07.260 hate men everything they enjoy including pretty women hence the male gaze oh yeah this is

01:27:11.820 feminism i would say is a large scale form of female intrasexual competition where yeah dowdy normal

01:27:19.820 women attack attractive women and try to ruin it for everyone yes i mean i did that brokonomics with um

01:27:26.300 a very based australian doctor on that and she's yeah she's basically saying that the whole idea

01:27:30.300 of feminism is to get everybody else to believe in it but don't do it yourself yes hence the woman

01:27:35.260 writing the article got married yeah yes you obviously like the male gaze a bit bit of patriarchy there

01:27:40.060 and how much how much does being an art a lifestyle article writer for cnn actually pay like this

01:27:45.260 sounds like very much sort of like a mink work job for a a modern feminist woman i think it was

01:27:51.020 something like about her husband's in tech or something she was saying that for men it doesn't

01:27:55.020 make sense to try and limit each other's um reproduction because reproduction is so easy

01:27:59.740 for us yeah but for women if you can if as long as you can suppress the rest of them while still

01:28:05.660 having kids resources come to you and not them yeah yeah which kind of makes women just look

01:28:10.700 inherently destructive well this is why we had lots of rules about these things i mean this is why the

01:28:16.220 germanic science societies think adultery is the worst thing you can do and even now it's still hugely

01:28:22.140 frowned upon well that that's the what you know that south african town the white only town yeah

01:28:26.860 they have only had one crime yes and that was a guy went off to america to earn money for his family

01:28:31.740 came back and find his wife wife had cheated on him so he killed her so yeah well i'm not gonna judge

01:28:39.180 glad you said it michael says are women getting more college degrees well yes they tend to be

01:28:48.060 degrees and lacking in practical applications humanities gender studies fine arts etc so a

01:28:52.780 woman has a degree like this can only work as a barista looks down on men who are plumbers janitor

01:28:56.620 skilled tradesmen but this is a problem for women well it also becomes a problem for men that's the thing

01:29:00.700 and that's the uh that's the point and uh geordie saulsman says but everything changed when the

01:29:05.500 sydney sweeney nation attacked well that's the thing sydney sweeney is the herald of the return

01:29:09.500 of normalcy right the return of patriarchy the return of a traditional way uh relationship between

01:29:15.500 men and women whether she means to be or not it's just and the thing about sydney sweeney i'm sure

01:29:19.980 she's not a political person in any particular way she just doesn't seem to hate men and that's enough

01:29:26.460 that's literally enough i'm an attractive woman who doesn't hate men and men are just like thank god

01:29:31.260 thank god she exists and women are like hmm maybe i could be like her it's like yes you could and

01:29:36.700 should it's not that aspirational is it just not really don't be that fat don't hate men you get a

01:29:42.220 lot of people saying oh sinu sweeney is not that good looking it's like she doesn't need to be yeah

01:29:46.220 she's still hot and it's that she's not she doesn't seem like a giant bitch yes that's the thing that's

01:29:51.980 really appealing at least middlingly hot and not a giant pitch yeah just like that and that makes you

01:29:58.140 more attractive than otherwise quite an easy thing for most people to attain to be honest just take

01:30:02.380 care of yourself and be a nice person not that hard um there are loads of other calls but unfortunately

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The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - October 14, 2025

The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1273

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