The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1276

00:00:00.000 Good afternoon and welcome to the podcast of the Lotus Eaters, episode 1,276.

00:00:06.200 Is it 76 or 77, Sam?

00:00:08.220 76.

00:00:11.100 Excellent. Raise my mic up a little bit, alright.

00:00:14.160 Thank you very much.

00:00:15.420 I'm your host, Harry, joined today by Beau and Firas.

00:00:20.420 Today we're going to be talking about the shaky Gaza piece, 1.00

00:00:24.340 which looks already to be crumbling.

00:00:26.280 Who would have expected that?

00:00:27.360 No piece in the Middle East. 0.97

00:00:28.440 I never, ever could have predicted something like that.

00:00:31.060 We're going to look into Birmingham being a no-go zone,

00:00:34.200 something that we've already internalized,

00:00:36.080 but it's always good to see more examples of why.

00:00:38.420 And Beau's going to be telling us about why your Chinese girlfriend is spying on you. 0.97

00:00:44.020 Dan, watch out.

00:00:45.760 But before we carry on, I would just like to say a big thank you to the author,

00:00:50.960 Neil Asher, who is a science fiction and fantasy author

00:00:55.060 who has sent in signed copies of one of his entire series here.

00:01:01.020 We really appreciate that.

00:01:02.540 Thank you very much.

00:01:03.420 We're all fans of science fiction and sci-fi,

00:01:05.620 so I'm sure they'll get a good look in when we can eventually get around to it.

00:01:09.860 You can imagine what the reading lists of every author,

00:01:12.280 of every presenter on the show looks like.

00:01:14.600 But we will get around to it, and we really appreciate your support.

00:01:17.840 So thank you very much for that.

00:01:19.620 Is there anything else that you gentlemen would like to say before we get into the news?

00:01:23.600 Maybe we can invite him in one day.

00:01:25.640 Yeah, yeah.

00:01:26.040 Perhaps, yeah.

00:01:26.740 And Stadios is...

00:01:28.920 Oh, I was going to mention that at the beginning of the segment.

00:01:30.840 All right.

00:01:31.420 Brilliant.

00:01:31.780 So, with that, let's get into it.

00:01:34.140 So, let's talk about the shaky and potentially already crumbling piece

00:01:39.360 that has been enacted in Israel and Gaza over the past few weeks,

00:01:45.440 and what's been going on with that.

00:01:48.640 First, though, I'd like to say, one, a big thank you to everybody who tuned in to the webinar

00:01:53.240 to speak to Bo and Stelios last night on Stelios' Ancient Greek Virtue Ethics course.

00:01:59.460 From what I've been told, it was a great success,

00:02:01.720 and everybody who joined in was very polite and cordial,

00:02:05.300 asking very interesting and relevant questions.

00:02:07.960 Anything you'd like to say to everybody?

00:02:09.760 Yeah, no, it was really good.

00:02:11.880 It was totally worth it.

00:02:13.400 If you're interested in that, if you're interested in ethics,

00:02:17.060 particularly ancient...

00:02:19.500 Virtue ethics, which people should try to be these days.

00:02:23.680 We're in a very anti-ethical, anti-virtuous time.

00:02:29.460 So, it's good to reacquaint ourselves with the classics,

00:02:31.900 because as well as just being able to adapt your own personal behaviour

00:02:34.940 and enrich your own life,

00:02:36.760 it's also enriching your understanding of culture and our history,

00:02:40.860 the ancient European history that traces all the way back to the ancient Greeks.

00:02:45.640 There's a lot still to be learnt from Socrates, Plato, Aristotle, and the like.

00:02:50.640 Don't believe the Karl Popper propaganda that Plato's bad.

00:02:54.300 No, I certainly will not.

00:02:55.100 No, no, that...

00:02:55.900 I've been just talking about our...

00:02:57.460 I was literally talking with Firas about that beforehand.

00:03:00.420 Honestly, Karl Popper's critiques and ad hominem examinations of Plato,

00:03:07.200 they just seem to be just bad faith attacks

00:03:10.400 on what serves as some of the foundations of Western philosophy.

00:03:15.500 When someone tries to attack the bedrock of your civilisation, he's an enemy.

00:03:19.780 Certainly.

00:03:20.640 Not that everything Plato ever said was brilliant.

00:03:23.460 In some ways, he's mad.

00:03:25.400 But there's loads there that is fascinating and interesting and of value.

00:03:31.580 And of eternal value.

00:03:32.780 Yeah, big time.

00:03:33.680 So, if you're interested in that sort of thing,

00:03:35.120 consider buying Stelios' eight or nine-part lecture course.

00:03:39.340 He's put a lot of hard work...

00:03:40.640 The guy's a PhD.

00:03:41.480 He's a real-life Athenian philosopher.

00:03:43.240 So, you could be worse.

00:03:44.760 Of course, it's very worth it.

00:03:46.000 You can find it on courses.lotoseaters.com

00:03:48.480 and you can select from three price options.

00:03:50.520 If you'd like to just pay all in one lump sum, you can pay £325.

00:03:54.300 Or you can split it across three payments for £108.34.

00:03:59.120 So, please consider doing that.

00:04:00.780 It will be very much worth your time.

00:04:03.120 With all of that said, let's get more deeply into the news.

00:04:06.860 So, at the end of last month in September,

00:04:09.040 Trump presented a 20-point Gaza peace plan in full,

00:04:13.920 which was set to be deliberated and agreed upon

00:04:16.520 by the representatives of Gaza and Israel and Netanyahu.

00:04:21.040 They said at this point that Israel and Hamas had signed off

00:04:25.260 on the first phase of his 20-point Gaza peace plan.

00:04:29.320 And in this BBC article, they include the peace plan in full.

00:04:34.340 It says that he unveiled the plan at the White House on the 29th of September

00:04:37.960 alongside Netanyahu.

00:04:39.860 And on the 3rd of October, Hamas said it had agreed to return

00:04:42.640 all 48 remaining hostages that were being held in Gaza

00:04:46.200 in exchange for Palestinian prisoners in Israeli jails and Gaza detainees.

00:04:50.580 Because part of this was that obviously there were Palestinian prisoners

00:04:53.700 who'd been given life sentences because of their involvement in Hamas

00:04:56.820 and other events like the 7th of October.

00:04:58.660 Part of this whole deal was to return those over to the Palestinian authorities.

00:05:03.760 And there was also the idea of handing over the governance of Gaza

00:05:07.600 to Palestinian technocrats.

00:05:09.680 Although part of the, one of the most important,

00:05:11.960 and I think consequential, if they actually get to do it,

00:05:15.300 developments in this proposal

00:05:17.280 is that there will be a technocratic, apolitical, Palestinian committee

00:05:22.140 who are also overseen by a supervisory international transitional body

00:05:28.120 called the Board of Peace,

00:05:30.160 which will be headed and shared by Donald Trump,

00:05:32.580 but also have other advisors like Tony Blair,

00:05:36.160 because Tony Blair may end up being what he was always born to be,

00:05:39.260 which is some kind of Middle Eastern colonial administrator,

00:05:42.920 if he were born in more civilized times.

00:05:47.160 But obviously this is, at the same time,

00:05:50.360 comprehensive and vague in many of its points,

00:05:54.100 because there comes, from the very first point,

00:05:56.940 you can see that they state that Gaza will be de-radicalized,

00:06:00.100 terror-free zone that does not pose a threat to its neighbors.

00:06:03.780 And already in that kind of language,

00:06:05.880 we can see where some of the disagreements and issues might pop up,

00:06:11.080 because you ask the question,

00:06:12.520 what does terror-free mean?

00:06:14.060 Who gets to decide what terror-free constitutes?

00:06:17.120 At what point do you measure that something has become terror-free or terror-free enough

00:06:23.420 to meet the very first point of this proposal?

00:06:27.240 And because of that vagueness and the fact that you are trying to bring peace

00:06:31.200 to a very unstable region of the world in the first place,

00:06:34.840 we can already see a lot of the cracks starting to emerge in the past week or so.

00:06:39.820 And speaking of this week,

00:06:42.700 as a result of these agreements going ahead on the 13th of October,

00:06:46.760 I think that was Tuesday? Was that Monday or Tuesday?

00:06:50.120 I think that was Monday, just past.

00:06:53.260 Trump has declared an enduring peace and prosperity in the region,

00:06:58.280 which may yet prove to be somewhat premature.

00:07:02.780 Well, one of the things I said,

00:07:04.580 I did a little video with Nate, MrHReviews,

00:07:07.740 that's on a little channel, The State of Politics.

00:07:11.680 Again, The State of Politics.

00:07:12.080 Only little.

00:07:13.760 I said there when this came out,

00:07:15.400 like, so two, three days ago, whatever it was,

00:07:17.200 that it could only ever really be, realistically,

00:07:21.400 sort of a hiatus.

00:07:24.000 Neither party can be trusted to do what they say.

00:07:27.860 They just can't.

00:07:29.040 It'll come to a crunch moment, I would have thought,

00:07:31.720 it'll come to a crunch moment...

00:07:32.500 We're already finding those crunch moments, but carry on.

00:07:34.940 ...where Hamas has got to do something

00:07:36.600 that they've said they'll do,

00:07:38.400 signed a bit of paper saying they'll do,

00:07:39.700 and then they just don't.

00:07:40.940 Or the other way around,

00:07:41.620 the Israeli government say,

00:07:42.980 we'll stop doing something or other

00:07:44.240 if these conditions are met.

00:07:46.300 You get to the day when they've got to do that,

00:07:48.100 and they just don't.

00:07:49.960 I mean, how many times do we have to play this out?

00:07:52.440 How many times?

00:07:53.060 When Hamas agreed to this,

00:07:55.420 they made it clear

00:07:57.420 that they won't, in fact, disarm.

00:08:00.760 Well, that was one of the big points.

00:08:01.700 They would only disarm to a Palestinian authority 1.00

00:08:06.220 that they approve of, essentially.

00:08:08.500 Meaning not the existing Palestinian authority,

00:08:10.700 who they view as a bunch of traitors.

00:08:13.100 So this whole thing,

00:08:15.040 the acceptance of it was very mealy-mouthed

00:08:17.680 on Hamas' side.

00:08:19.260 And on the Israeli side,

00:08:20.900 Netanyahu had really to be beaten into accepting it

00:08:24.000 and threatened with complete international abandonment

00:08:27.480 and with the fact that everybody

00:08:29.480 was now recognizing a Palestinian state

00:08:31.300 to pressure him to accept some kind of deal.

00:08:35.660 When in reality,

00:08:37.320 neither side wants a two-state solution.

00:08:39.900 The two-state solution is a sort of outside invention.

00:08:43.540 A pipe train.

00:08:44.500 Yeah.

00:08:45.020 The Israelis want not just mandate Palestine,

00:08:47.860 they want more territory than that.

00:08:50.400 And the Palestinians, particularly, 0.99

00:08:52.560 Hamas at least, 0.99

00:08:53.520 that they want a universal Islamic caliphate 0.99

00:08:56.520 that includes Palestinian territories.

00:09:00.800 So this is very fragile.

00:09:04.000 The idea that it's an enduring peace

00:09:06.160 is probably going to age badly.

00:09:08.280 Well, I mean,

00:09:08.740 one of the things with Donald Trump

00:09:10.860 is that he likes to project strength.

00:09:12.900 Yes.

00:09:13.120 And he likes for all of his statements

00:09:14.680 to be completely definitive,

00:09:16.500 even if in the long run

00:09:17.640 they prove to have been only temporary.

00:09:19.840 And I think this is one of those cases

00:09:21.480 because already when he was doing his tour

00:09:23.620 of the Middle East earlier on this week,

00:09:25.480 when he was giving his speech in the Knesset

00:09:28.600 and when he was giving his speeches in Egypt as well,

00:09:32.120 where it was, what was it,

00:09:33.820 Sharam? 0.73

00:09:34.520 Sharam Sheikh.

00:09:35.500 Thank you very much for the Aiden pronunciation there,

00:09:39.000 which was also being attended by people like,

00:09:41.700 I believe Tony Blair might have been there.

00:09:43.600 You've also...

00:09:44.160 Starmer was there.

00:09:45.060 Starmer was there.

00:09:45.320 Macron was there.

00:09:46.840 Meloni was there.

00:09:47.880 You had Qataris there.

00:09:48.600 The Qataris were there.

00:09:49.720 The Egyptians, obviously. 0.55

00:09:51.460 The Saudis and the Emiratis 0.94

00:09:52.660 were not that enthusiastic,

00:09:54.160 so they didn't send their highest representatives.

00:09:57.400 But they sent high enough people

00:09:58.920 because nobody wants to upset Trump.

00:10:01.480 And if you look for the video

00:10:03.100 of Trump humiliating Starmer,

00:10:04.940 it's actually quite funny.

00:10:06.920 Many such cases.

00:10:08.200 Many such cases.

00:10:09.240 Yes.

00:10:09.440 Constantly.

00:10:09.920 But already he's starting to put word out

00:10:12.440 saying that, well, you know,

00:10:13.740 we've solved this problem,

00:10:15.120 we've solved this enduring crisis,

00:10:16.900 this generation-long problem.

00:10:18.900 Perhaps it's time to bring peace over to Iran as well

00:10:21.860 when he stated that it'd be great

00:10:24.060 if we could make a peace deal with Iran as well.

00:10:26.040 Wouldn't that be nice?

00:10:26.900 I think they want to,

00:10:28.380 at which point every analysis

00:10:29.880 that I've seen of this thus far,

00:10:31.860 as well as the reactions from the Iranian regime,

00:10:34.860 has been no.

00:10:36.460 Pretty, pretty straightforwardly no.

00:10:39.480 You helped to bomb us back in June.

00:10:43.220 What's that?

00:10:44.820 The Israelis began bombing 1.00

00:10:46.740 two days before the Americans and Iranians 0.51

00:10:49.400 were set to sit down and negotiate.

00:10:51.820 And so if you allow your proxy, Israel, 0.74

00:10:54.680 to bomb Iran right ahead of negotiations, 0.77

00:10:58.280 what's the point of negotiations?

00:11:00.120 There's a real problem there.

00:11:01.500 Well, the message that they seem to have internalized from that,

00:11:04.440 and I think it's a pretty rational message,

00:11:06.660 is that, well, we can't trust you.

00:11:08.780 No.

00:11:09.100 On the negotiating table,

00:11:10.680 it might just be distracting us to buy some time

00:11:13.580 for a proxy to attack us in one way or another.

00:11:16.280 And so they don't seem to have some kind of mutual ground

00:11:20.620 that they can all meet on here.

00:11:22.180 But the thing is, sorry,

00:11:23.800 this makes the deal more important for Trump.

00:11:26.440 Firstly, he put an enormous amount of diplomatic capital behind it

00:11:29.800 because assembling all of these world leaders to go to Egypt,

00:11:33.900 he said that he gave them 20 minutes notice

00:11:35.780 that they should show up in Egypt.

00:11:36.920 And all of the Europeans came. 0.99

00:11:40.640 And then the Arabs came and participated,

00:11:42.680 da-da-da-da-da, whatever.

00:11:44.080 So he put a huge amount of political capital in it.

00:11:46.200 But there's another dimension,

00:11:47.780 which is now with Hezbollah in Lebanon

00:11:50.560 really on the back foot, shall we say,

00:11:54.340 and Syria no longer a threat,

00:11:56.340 there's a lot of shared interests

00:11:58.120 between the United States and Iran.

00:12:00.380 There genuinely are.

00:12:02.040 Containing Turkey, containing Pakistan, 0.99

00:12:03.880 trying to separate Iran from China, etc., etc.,

00:12:07.720 which Trump does need to do if he wants to isolate China.

00:12:10.960 The problem, the oil in the ointment,

00:12:13.020 is the Israel question.

00:12:14.660 Because the Iranians are fanatically obsessed with this.

00:12:19.780 And so are the Americans.

00:12:21.580 Well, I mean, Trump in this same speech

00:12:23.680 said that the price for this, by the looks of it,

00:12:26.220 would be that Iran would, of course, 1.00

00:12:29.360 need to stop funding proxies

00:12:31.400 and, quote, finally recognise Israel's right to existence,

00:12:36.200 which is going to be the real tough selling point for them,

00:12:39.120 especially after the events earlier on this year.

00:12:41.620 Trump does get a lot done, to be fair.

00:12:47.060 Oh, of course.

00:12:47.680 So I'm going to throw a tiny bit of shade at Trump,

00:12:49.440 but before I do, just to say,

00:12:51.180 he gets a lot more done than most presidents.

00:12:53.380 Yes.

00:12:53.780 Genuinely, in my opinion...

00:12:54.600 Biden was just eager to roll over

00:12:56.280 for everything that Israel wanted. 0.71

00:12:57.800 Trump at least has some of America's interests in mind.

00:13:01.340 Oh, absolutely.

00:13:02.160 Yeah, he gets a lot more done than most.

00:13:03.740 He genuinely, in my opinion,

00:13:05.040 seems to want to make peace wherever he can.

00:13:07.480 Yes.

00:13:07.880 My only thing is that he does seem to talk about it all

00:13:10.720 like it's a New York property deal.

00:13:13.900 You know, like we're talking to the Iranians, 0.86

00:13:15.420 it looks like they want a deal,

00:13:16.400 we can maybe get a deal done.

00:13:17.980 It's like, it's more than that, right?

00:13:19.900 It's thousands of years of sort of ethno-religious conflict.

00:13:24.240 It's not just getting two guys round a table,

00:13:26.640 hammer something out, get your lawyers to agree,

00:13:28.760 done deal, everything sorted, end of story.

00:13:30.600 It's not like that.

00:13:33.380 I mean, everyone knows that.

00:13:34.300 I'm not, you know, it's not a great insight,

00:13:36.460 but that's just how Trump often seems to talk about it.

00:13:40.500 I don't know.

00:13:41.140 It's not really realistic.

00:13:43.080 It's not realistic.

00:13:43.840 And with that, already in this article

00:13:46.080 and others that I've got here,

00:13:47.340 there are other reports that within Gaza,

00:13:49.640 a few days after the, you know,

00:13:52.000 the peace has finally been declared.

00:13:54.740 We've got the ceasefire.

00:13:55.960 We're getting the negotiations.

00:13:58.440 Israeli hostages have been released back

00:14:01.000 to their families in Israel

00:14:02.700 or the bodies have been re-interned back over

00:14:05.320 to Israel and Hamas and Gaza

00:14:07.660 have had some of the Palestinians released back to them.

00:14:10.260 Well, they're already reporting here

00:14:11.760 that internal violence is starting to erupt in Gaza again.

00:14:15.820 There have been videos shared online.

00:14:17.480 I have not seen them myself.

00:14:19.600 Supposedly, they are quite gruesome

00:14:21.320 where Hamas militants are conducting

00:14:24.160 summary executions of men

00:14:26.420 who it's accused of being criminals

00:14:28.180 and collaborators with Israel

00:14:30.060 in the middle of a public square.

00:14:32.600 And in Israel...

00:14:33.240 With the crowds cheering

00:14:34.320 and being highly supportive

00:14:35.840 and showing for the most part

00:14:39.040 that, yeah, Hamas is the only game in town.

00:14:41.440 And even within that,

00:14:42.820 in this report here from Fox News

00:14:46.800 that I watched earlier,

00:14:48.300 the analyst that they get here

00:14:50.440 admits, well, says openly

00:14:52.480 that there are inter-factions within Hamas,

00:14:56.560 some of whom are collaborating

00:14:58.080 with the IDF and Israel.

00:15:00.420 Within Gaza.

00:15:01.180 Within Gaza.

00:15:01.960 Yes.

00:15:02.420 And they're the ones

00:15:03.540 who seem to be being targeted

00:15:04.780 by these more militant types as well.

00:15:07.680 So again, if you are collaborating

00:15:09.180 with the people

00:15:09.820 that you're trying to strike a deal with,

00:15:11.740 and at the same time

00:15:12.720 there are militants within there

00:15:14.140 who don't want you to do that

00:15:15.580 and will just publicly kill you 0.98

00:15:17.160 to cheering crowds,

00:15:18.620 that again raises the question

00:15:19.960 of whether these kinds of peace deals

00:15:21.560 will be able to hold

00:15:23.040 in the long term.

00:15:24.700 And it says further,

00:15:25.460 In Israel, the largest group

00:15:26.760 representing the hostages

00:15:27.720 called on their government

00:15:28.640 to immediately suspend

00:15:29.780 all ceasefire implementations

00:15:31.320 as it accused Hamas

00:15:32.480 of violating the terms of the deal

00:15:33.680 by handing back only four

00:15:34.900 of the 28 remaining bodies

00:15:36.680 of deceased hostages.

00:15:38.080 In response,

00:15:38.700 Israel has decided not to

00:15:39.840 open the Rafa crossing

00:15:41.460 between Gaza and Egypt,

00:15:43.220 which is one of the crossing points

00:15:44.660 for aid delivery.

00:15:45.420 I am aware that they are taking in 0.98

00:15:46.940 many more,

00:15:48.180 a lot more aid

00:15:49.400 than they were previously,

00:15:51.020 but still keeping the Rafa crossing

00:15:53.000 closed,

00:15:53.460 they're keeping that

00:15:54.360 as a negotiating tool,

00:15:56.700 I would imagine.

00:15:58.360 And further,

00:15:59.460 they've started to say,

00:16:00.860 Hamas are saying that,

00:16:01.940 well, we want to return

00:16:02.740 more of the bodies,

00:16:03.560 but we can't

00:16:04.400 because they're all buried

00:16:05.700 under rubble.

00:16:06.520 We need for more aid

00:16:07.920 to come in

00:16:08.460 so that we can have

00:16:09.080 the technology to unearth

00:16:10.840 this rubble

00:16:11.440 and get these bodies back.

00:16:13.020 Israel is saying,

00:16:14.040 no, according to our

00:16:15.040 internal reports,

00:16:16.220 you do have access

00:16:17.200 to at least 10 more bodies

00:16:18.500 that you can get right now

00:16:19.640 and return to us.

00:16:20.680 So, already,

00:16:23.040 the lines are starting

00:16:24.500 to be drawn again,

00:16:25.500 the disagreements

00:16:26.200 are popping back up.

00:16:27.820 We'll see what happens.

00:16:29.680 I mean,

00:16:30.040 we've been playing,

00:16:31.900 the United States

00:16:32.460 have been playing this game

00:16:33.360 since the 70s, really.

00:16:34.640 You get the leader of,

00:16:35.940 some sort of leader

00:16:36.600 of the Arab side,

00:16:38.520 the Palestinian side,

00:16:39.640 some sort of leader of,

00:16:40.620 or the leader of Israel,

00:16:42.920 and whether it's on

00:16:43.520 the White House lawn

00:16:44.260 or at Camp David,

00:16:45.320 whatever it is,

00:16:45.740 you get them to shake hands,

00:16:46.680 you get them to agree to something,

00:16:47.840 you get them to sign a bit of paper,

00:16:48.940 da-da-da-da-da-da,

00:16:49.480 and on the ground,

00:16:51.520 they immediately start killing each other.

00:16:52.660 The militants

00:16:53.260 just still do

00:16:54.780 what they're going to do.

00:16:55.500 Because neither side

00:16:56.360 genuinely respects

00:16:58.300 the written word

00:16:59.320 and respects

00:17:00.220 any kind of legal commitment.

00:17:03.340 And because

00:17:04.140 for the Palestinians,

00:17:06.520 this is never going

00:17:07.300 to be acceptable.

00:17:08.560 And for the Israelis,

00:17:09.940 what is acceptable

00:17:10.540 to the Palestinians

00:17:11.260 is a threat

00:17:11.800 to their survival.

00:17:13.540 Well,

00:17:13.780 it's an impasse.

00:17:15.980 It's a classic impasse.

00:17:16.900 How do you ever

00:17:18.320 really

00:17:18.920 resolve that?

00:17:20.580 And it doesn't look like

00:17:21.680 it's going to be resolved.

00:17:22.680 And I think the best

00:17:23.500 that can be hoped for

00:17:24.400 is that

00:17:24.960 Trump's force of character

00:17:27.480 means that

00:17:29.440 the deal

00:17:29.980 is partially implemented.

00:17:32.420 And everybody

00:17:33.180 accepts that

00:17:34.140 this kind of

00:17:34.780 partial implementation

00:17:35.560 is the best

00:17:36.280 that they can get.

00:17:37.280 So the Palestinians 1.00

00:17:38.280 stop getting

00:17:39.020 regularly bombed.

00:17:40.560 And there is some aid,

00:17:42.220 but there is

00:17:42.900 no reconstruction

00:17:43.620 and all of that

00:17:44.380 fancy stuff

00:17:45.020 about Gaza Riviera

00:17:47.060 and building

00:17:47.580 economic zones in Gaza

00:17:48.700 and solving this

00:17:49.520 issue permanently.

00:17:51.220 That sort of

00:17:52.200 gets kicked

00:17:52.920 into the long grass.

00:17:53.760 Yeah, many of those

00:17:54.540 20 points

00:17:55.400 were dedicated

00:17:56.400 entirely to

00:17:57.260 the economic recovery

00:17:58.460 and trying to present

00:17:59.940 some kind of

00:18:00.780 international humanitarian,

00:18:02.500 human rights vision

00:18:03.520 of Gaza

00:18:04.720 and Palestine

00:18:05.760 where the Palestinians 0.74

00:18:06.760 can begin to

00:18:07.800 live productive

00:18:09.140 economic lives again.

00:18:10.440 But that is so far

00:18:11.640 down the line

00:18:12.400 from where we are

00:18:13.480 right now

00:18:13.820 when so much of Gaza 0.87

00:18:14.960 is just rubble.

00:18:16.200 You'd need

00:18:16.740 an international force

00:18:18.400 going into Gaza

00:18:19.420 and shooting

00:18:21.680 what's left of Hamas 0.92

00:18:22.980 or putting them in jail

00:18:23.920 or subjugating them somehow,

00:18:25.560 which is difficult to see

00:18:28.460 because for the Israelis,

00:18:30.560 having an international army

00:18:33.640 on their borders

00:18:34.320 that is actually

00:18:35.220 possibly hostile to them

00:18:36.600 or from countries

00:18:37.700 that are hostile to them

00:18:38.620 is never going to be acceptable.

00:18:40.120 So the only way

00:18:42.200 this can be policed

00:18:43.020 is international forces

00:18:44.760 with a very real

00:18:46.660 aggressive mandate

00:18:47.840 that applies to both sides

00:18:49.540 and for Israel,

00:18:51.280 absolutely not.

00:18:52.340 We have nuclear weapons.

00:18:53.180 We will never allow this.

00:18:54.700 And for the Palestinians,

00:18:55.840 if you stop us fighting,

00:18:56.880 Israel will attack you, 1.00

00:18:57.960 which is what they did

00:18:58.780 to the Jordanians

00:18:59.520 and what they did

00:18:59.960 to the Lebanese.

00:19:01.280 So they attacked

00:19:03.040 Jordan and Lebanon

00:19:04.220 when the state

00:19:05.760 in both of these countries

00:19:06.860 tried to say,

00:19:07.680 look, you can't just

00:19:08.840 be running amok,

00:19:09.880 doing your own insurgency thing

00:19:11.180 while we're in control.

00:19:13.280 So it doesn't really function

00:19:16.100 the way Trump imagines it.

00:19:17.740 This is just

00:19:18.180 managerialism on steroids.

00:19:19.980 Plus the UN

00:19:20.700 will never be able to do that.

00:19:22.000 The full-blown UN forces

00:19:23.460 with the blue hats

00:19:25.940 and all that sort of thing

00:19:27.080 because there's far too many

00:19:28.960 countries in the UN

00:19:29.900 that would veto such a thing. 0.78

00:19:32.060 Right?

00:19:32.140 So that's just not going to happen.

00:19:35.360 And perhaps Tony Blair

00:19:36.600 can bring them all

00:19:37.600 back to the table.

00:19:38.300 Yeah.

00:19:38.620 Will Tony Blair ever get to be

00:19:40.020 the viceroy of the Gaza Strip?

00:19:42.820 Maybe Tony Blair

00:19:44.360 is the secret to peace

00:19:45.440 in the Middle East

00:19:46.160 after destabilizing it

00:19:47.600 so much in the first place.

00:19:49.360 But what you're discussing there

00:19:50.600 of the idea of,

00:19:51.540 well,

00:19:52.200 international forces

00:19:53.080 would need to come in

00:19:53.940 and basically administer

00:19:54.780 the whole thing by force.

00:19:56.360 Well,

00:19:56.680 because of all of the tensions

00:19:57.740 that have cropped straight back up,

00:19:58.820 we're basically getting that

00:20:00.040 or at least threats

00:20:01.080 to that effect

00:20:02.300 from Trump

00:20:03.380 on his Truth Social post

00:20:04.820 saying,

00:20:05.640 if Hamas continues

00:20:06.420 to kill people in Gaza,

00:20:07.800 which was not the deal,

00:20:09.400 we will have no choice

00:20:10.460 but to go in

00:20:11.220 and kill them. 0.94

00:20:13.060 There's not really

00:20:14.280 any other way

00:20:15.100 to read that statement.

00:20:17.960 Can we look at the image

00:20:19.080 underneath that?

00:20:19.660 Yeah, that's hilarious.

00:20:20.620 That's Dr. Strangelove, isn't it?

00:20:21.920 Yep.

00:20:24.300 That's pretty clear cut.

00:20:26.280 And then he did clarify

00:20:27.340 slightly later on afterwards

00:20:29.340 when he was being questioned

00:20:30.960 in the White House.

00:20:32.380 They asked him,

00:20:33.580 you know,

00:20:34.260 what do you,

00:20:35.120 like,

00:20:35.540 what does that look like

00:20:36.460 practically?

00:20:37.420 Will you send in

00:20:38.120 U.S. forces?

00:20:39.720 And he said,

00:20:41.060 didn't say who would go in,

00:20:42.360 someone will go in,

00:20:43.400 it's not going to be us,

00:20:44.360 let's just hear him say it himself.

00:20:45.460 Most,

00:20:46.600 if they kept killing people

00:20:48.300 in Gaza,

00:20:48.800 we would have no choice

00:20:49.720 but to go in and kill them.

00:20:51.080 So,

00:20:51.540 do you mean U.S. forces

00:20:52.680 would go in

00:20:53.400 and take out the North?

00:20:54.980 No,

00:20:55.060 I didn't say who would go in

00:20:56.180 but somebody will go in.

00:20:57.440 It's not going to be us,

00:20:59.280 we won't have to.

00:21:00.120 There are people very close,

00:21:01.540 very nearby that will go in,

00:21:02.820 they'll do the trick

00:21:03.500 very easily

00:21:04.300 but under our auspices.

00:21:06.720 Could I follow up,

00:21:07.700 you also posted about

00:21:08.840 your call for...

00:21:10.060 I wonder what that means,

00:21:11.820 what,

00:21:11.960 the Egyptian army,

00:21:13.140 the Jordanian army?

00:21:14.480 The Israelis would never 1.00

00:21:15.300 accept the Egyptians.

00:21:16.580 Oh yeah,

00:21:17.160 yeah,

00:21:17.380 what does that mean?

00:21:18.080 And so,

00:21:19.240 it would be some kind of,

00:21:20.660 like the Indonesians have said

00:21:21.740 we're willing to send

00:21:22.420 20,000 people.

00:21:23.440 Really?

00:21:23.800 The Indonesians go in. 1.00

00:21:25.740 They've said

00:21:26.020 that they're willing to send

00:21:27.580 20,000 people.

00:21:28.400 What,

00:21:28.420 a curveball?

00:21:29.500 Yeah.

00:21:30.420 Out of nowhere,

00:21:31.720 Indonesia.

00:21:32.920 Isn't Ian Miles Chong

00:21:34.140 Indonesian

00:21:34.660 or is he Malaysian?

00:21:35.840 I've got no idea what he is.

00:21:36.680 Ian Miles Chong

00:21:37.400 leading the force for Trump.

00:21:39.740 Could you imagine

00:21:40.800 he becomes Viceroy of...

00:21:42.900 Field Marshal Chong.

00:21:43.940 With his marshal's back on.

00:21:48.680 You know,

00:21:49.220 I'd pay to see that one.

00:21:51.100 I'd pay to see that one.

00:21:52.180 That would be

00:21:52.860 get what I voted for.

00:21:54.080 I think he's Malaysian,

00:21:55.400 but that would be hilarious.

00:21:57.440 Either way.

00:21:58.140 That would be hilarious.

00:22:00.200 It's just not happening.

00:22:01.920 I mean,

00:22:03.500 I don't see it.

00:22:05.740 Yeah,

00:22:05.900 I mean,

00:22:06.140 who possibly would

00:22:07.860 the Israelis accept

00:22:08.960 to do that?

00:22:09.820 So maybe the Emiratis

00:22:11.220 and the Saudis,

00:22:12.520 but even then,

00:22:13.300 the level of Israeli mistrust

00:22:16.460 of everybody around them

00:22:17.460 is insane

00:22:18.040 and it's not coming

00:22:19.200 out of the blue,

00:22:20.000 you know?

00:22:20.340 It's not irrational mistrust

00:22:22.520 or anything like that.

00:22:23.540 Sure.

00:22:24.820 And for the Palestinians,

00:22:26.140 if you're going to end up

00:22:27.220 with some kind of

00:22:27.920 non-Muslim force

00:22:29.240 governing them

00:22:29.880 and trying to tell them

00:22:30.600 you've got to like Israel now 1.00

00:22:31.800 and we're going to change

00:22:32.860 your education system

00:22:34.060 and we're going to be

00:22:34.760 managing your health system

00:22:35.720 and we're going to be

00:22:36.200 sort of running you

00:22:37.640 as a colonial province,

00:22:39.100 they're not going to

00:22:39.940 accept that either.

00:22:41.200 They're not going to

00:22:41.840 accept that either.

00:22:42.500 The idea that you can

00:22:44.100 just sort of bribe them

00:22:45.200 into accepting it,

00:22:46.180 okay, how?

00:22:48.480 Explain to me the mechanics

00:22:49.560 of doing that

00:22:50.240 to two million people

00:22:51.180 who have just been

00:22:52.580 bombed to smithereens.

00:22:53.860 If you look at

00:22:54.500 aerial images of Gaza,

00:22:56.360 the extent of destruction

00:22:57.860 is just insane.

00:23:00.340 The Israelis have been 1.00

00:23:01.040 doing this thing

00:23:01.660 where they send

00:23:02.720 armored personnel carriers,

00:23:04.620 load them with like

00:23:05.600 a ton of explosives,

00:23:07.180 put them on a remote control

00:23:08.380 and just detonate them

00:23:09.400 in the middle

00:23:10.040 of residential areas

00:23:11.040 to just tear everything down

00:23:12.800 as a cheaper alternative

00:23:14.540 to just bombing them

00:23:16.040 from the air.

00:23:17.300 Well, I mean,

00:23:17.660 and currently...

00:23:18.380 After you do this,

00:23:19.500 you're not going to have

00:23:20.500 a lot of de-radicalized,

00:23:23.140 terror-free people.

00:23:26.000 In the same way

00:23:26.920 that if you go around

00:23:27.860 raping and murdering

00:23:29.640 Israelis out of the blue,

00:23:32.100 you're not going to have

00:23:32.920 a lot of de-radicalized Israelis.

00:23:34.280 I mean,

00:23:35.680 that's absolutely true

00:23:36.540 and you can see

00:23:37.140 even now

00:23:38.340 in the Independent article

00:23:40.840 talking about

00:23:41.320 how it'd only been 24 hours,

00:23:42.800 they said

00:23:43.220 Palestinian health officials

00:23:44.680 reported

00:23:45.160 seven people

00:23:46.280 inspecting their homes

00:23:47.080 in East Gaza

00:23:47.740 were killed by Israeli drones,

00:23:49.660 which is a violation

00:23:50.440 of the ceasefire

00:23:51.400 and the Israeli military

00:23:52.620 denied it,

00:23:53.620 telling the Independent

00:23:54.300 that the individuals

00:23:55.060 had passed through

00:23:55.680 a yellow line

00:23:56.980 to which they had withdrawn.

00:23:59.680 The Israeli journalists 0.90

00:24:00.780 that the Independent

00:24:01.700 is citing here,

00:24:02.660 though,

00:24:02.840 suggest the military

00:24:03.580 has invisible lines

00:24:04.660 that Palestinians 0.93

00:24:05.720 unknowingly cross.

00:24:07.800 So again,

00:24:08.120 this is just confusion.

00:24:10.200 This is just confusion.

00:24:11.560 I mean,

00:24:11.700 there's nothing stable

00:24:14.320 for any of them

00:24:15.440 to actually rely on

00:24:18.180 and every single one of them

00:24:19.340 will see the other one

00:24:20.360 is approaching it

00:24:21.020 entirely in bad faith.

00:24:22.320 You've breached the ceasefire.

00:24:23.740 No, you've breached

00:24:24.480 the terms of the ceasefire.

00:24:26.040 Nobody can trust each other.

00:24:27.240 And in Lebanon,

00:24:28.780 Hezbollah signed a ceasefire.

00:24:30.740 They didn't adhere

00:24:31.640 to their side of it.

00:24:32.460 They're not attacking

00:24:33.920 Israel anymore, 0.93

00:24:34.720 but Israel is bombing Lebanon,

00:24:36.220 I want to say,

00:24:37.560 weekly,

00:24:38.520 sometimes daily.

00:24:40.440 And they're bombing

00:24:41.440 the equipment

00:24:42.240 that is used

00:24:42.980 for reconstruction,

00:24:44.360 saying that it's being used

00:24:46.000 to rebuild Hezbollah positions.

00:24:47.560 We can't verify it

00:24:48.660 either way.

00:24:49.980 But I looked at

00:24:51.460 some of the stuff,

00:24:52.540 like not all of it

00:24:53.220 is Hezbollah.

00:24:54.320 They're just bombing stuff

00:24:55.560 to make sure

00:24:56.040 that people don't go back

00:24:56.880 to South Lebanon

00:24:57.460 so that there's more pressure

00:24:59.200 on Hezbollah

00:24:59.840 through the civilians.

00:25:02.340 The way that this war

00:25:03.740 is fought

00:25:04.380 is inherently

00:25:07.640 aimed at ethnic cleansing

00:25:09.780 from both sides.

00:25:11.800 And I don't see

00:25:12.700 any compromises there.

00:25:15.100 Yeah.

00:25:15.820 Well, that's the situation

00:25:17.100 as it stands right now.

00:25:18.360 Obviously,

00:25:18.680 things will continue

00:25:19.580 to develop.

00:25:20.780 But right now,

00:25:22.280 that's where we're at.

00:25:23.240 We'll see if Trump

00:25:24.520 actually does follow through

00:25:25.540 on these threats.

00:25:26.820 If there continues

00:25:28.000 to be fighting

00:25:30.080 and killing

00:25:30.960 in the streets,

00:25:31.780 I'll be interested

00:25:32.620 because I think

00:25:33.120 all of us

00:25:34.600 are on the same page here

00:25:35.680 in that we don't want

00:25:36.900 there to continue

00:25:37.560 to be massacres

00:25:38.880 and wars going on

00:25:39.900 in these territories.

00:25:40.900 Nobody wants there

00:25:41.660 to just be

00:25:42.800 thousands and thousands

00:25:44.520 of people killed

00:25:45.580 every single day.

00:25:47.340 So that's where we're at.

00:25:48.540 Let's go through

00:25:49.240 the super chats

00:25:50.340 and rumble rants.

00:25:51.200 Sergeant Slaughter

00:25:53.120 on Rumble says

00:25:54.000 Indonesia is something

00:25:55.080 like 85-90% Muslim.

00:25:57.200 The vast majority

00:25:57.880 of them are Sunni.

00:26:00.360 Busted Brian says

00:26:01.280 I'm no bigger lover

00:26:01.940 of Trump,

00:26:02.340 but I wonder

00:26:02.660 why you get off

00:26:04.000 with such harsh criticism

00:26:05.000 when the difference

00:26:05.680 between Trump

00:26:06.300 and all governments

00:26:07.260 is he's trying

00:26:08.000 unlike your burgeoning

00:26:09.080 UK caliphate. 0.63

00:26:10.420 One, we're not a caliphate.

00:26:11.560 I don't think

00:26:12.020 that's a reasonable

00:26:13.800 thing to say.

00:26:15.380 Two,

00:26:16.540 I think we are actually

00:26:18.820 being quite fair

00:26:19.560 to Trump here

00:26:20.160 in that we are saying

00:26:21.060 that...

00:26:21.860 He's trying.

00:26:22.580 Yeah, we know

00:26:23.460 he's trying.

00:26:24.180 We're saying the situation

00:26:25.100 is too difficult

00:26:25.640 even for Trump.

00:26:26.420 Yeah, I respect

00:26:27.020 that he's trying

00:26:27.820 to be honest.

00:26:28.360 And we're saying

00:26:28.840 that he's being bombastic

00:26:29.740 about the expectations.

00:26:31.240 That's not that controversial.

00:26:32.980 Thank you.

00:26:33.700 One tall order.

00:26:34.820 There's only two options

00:26:35.620 here to solve everything.

00:26:37.060 Either one side

00:26:37.860 or the other

00:26:38.200 is completely eradicated

00:26:39.200 or someone reanimates

00:26:40.280 Hadrian and gives him

00:26:41.180 10 million legionnaires

00:26:42.600 to subjugate

00:26:43.500 the whole area.

00:26:44.480 I like that last option.

00:26:47.600 Sigilstone 17.

00:26:48.780 Can Firaz

00:26:49.240 answer something for me?

00:26:50.300 Muslims can't eat pork

00:26:51.340 so why would they name

00:26:52.260 the organization Ham-Ass?

00:26:56.140 Answer that one.

00:26:58.040 On YouTube,

00:26:59.360 neo-unrealist,

00:27:00.340 Hamas is in a civil war

00:27:01.440 against the

00:27:02.260 Darmush clan,

00:27:05.160 a rival Salafist group

00:27:06.960 whose jihad is not nationalist

00:27:08.140 but international

00:27:08.820 who think Hamas is soft.

00:27:10.980 There is...

00:27:11.900 That's a partial truth

00:27:13.520 and it's not just

00:27:14.280 the Darmush clan

00:27:15.060 and they've been rounding up

00:27:16.360 other people

00:27:17.400 like influencers

00:27:18.600 and sort of

00:27:19.520 social media characters

00:27:20.700 who have since

00:27:22.540 apparently been disappeared

00:27:23.720 and taken to hospitals

00:27:25.560 that are being used

00:27:26.380 as detention centers.

00:27:28.340 That's Hamas. 0.97

00:27:30.180 So, yeah.

00:27:31.480 But that is partially true.

00:27:33.540 I'm not saying you're wrong.

00:27:34.800 I'm saying there's more to it.

00:27:36.520 Luke Jay,

00:27:37.140 majority of Palestinians

00:27:38.020 are not going to forget

00:27:38.820 what happened to them.

00:27:39.560 You get rid of Hamas, 1.00

00:27:40.260 another group will just pop up.

00:27:41.280 If Trump led a weaker country,

00:27:43.460 everyone would laugh at him.

00:27:46.820 Jesus is king.

00:27:48.020 Beep, boop, blonk. 1.00

00:27:49.000 I'm Harry, bop, beep, boop.

00:27:51.140 Thanks for your money,

00:27:52.280 I suppose.

00:27:54.100 Neka McGluck says,

00:27:55.560 Hamas,

00:27:55.940 the expert tunnel diggers

00:27:56.920 of the planet,

00:27:57.540 don't know how to dig.

00:28:00.420 You got him.

00:28:01.360 You got him there.

00:28:02.280 Dig for victory.

00:28:03.540 Pelagius.

00:28:04.320 Hamas, probably.

00:28:05.420 Only the Al-Zut 1.00

00:28:06.700 can stop Hamas and Iran. 0.90

00:28:08.800 Oh.

00:28:09.660 You stop...

00:28:10.540 I know what it is now, right?

00:28:13.020 I don't want to,

00:28:14.180 but I do.

00:28:15.360 Hawk 23,

00:28:16.120 10 months in,

00:28:16.800 and I'm already worried

00:28:17.620 for the Western world

00:28:18.400 without him.

00:28:20.420 Someone's just sent in two pounds,

00:28:21.840 so thank you very much.

00:28:23.100 Luke Jay,

00:28:23.680 Bo,

00:28:23.940 now you have 1%

00:28:25.040 Native American DNA.

00:28:26.480 When are you getting a casino?

00:28:28.140 Good question.

00:28:28.980 Also not drunk this time,

00:28:30.120 I enjoy the show, lads.

00:28:30.980 Good stuff from the Aussies. 0.99

00:28:31.920 So, Bo.

00:28:32.740 Well,

00:28:33.280 it was only on Ancestry.com

00:28:35.100 that said I had a tiny bit

00:28:36.260 of Native American Indian blood.

00:28:39.400 Cool!

00:28:39.640 And living DNA

00:28:42.440 didn't say such a thing,

00:28:43.700 and I'm hoping...

00:28:45.860 Tom Rose,

00:28:46.380 if I've the Jive,

00:28:46.980 says anything under 1%

00:28:48.060 or around 1%

00:28:48.880 could be negligible.

00:28:49.900 It might just be noise

00:28:50.700 in the thing,

00:28:51.300 and it might not be...

00:28:52.720 Yeah, I don't know.

00:28:53.760 What'd you say, Harry?

00:28:54.780 I think what Bo is saying

00:28:56.120 to translate is,

00:28:57.240 hey-a-ho-a,

00:28:58.380 hey-a-ho-a.

00:29:01.540 No, I'm proud of my people.

00:29:04.600 Who is it that you said

00:29:05.520 you recognise

00:29:06.180 as your one supreme sovereign?

00:29:07.440 Oh, the last leader

00:29:08.640 of the Iroquois...

00:29:10.740 The Iroquois Confederacy.

00:29:13.880 Yeah, English monarchy,

00:29:15.540 BTFO'd.

00:29:16.540 I identify as Mohawk now.

00:29:19.400 Bohawk.

00:29:19.900 Mohawk.

00:29:20.460 Yep.

00:29:20.920 Par says,

00:29:21.380 greetings to our Saxon friends

00:29:22.740 from the other side

00:29:23.460 of the Irish Sea.

00:29:24.360 Keep up the good works, lads.

00:29:26.160 Thank you very much.

00:29:27.240 And one more rumble rant

00:29:28.100 from Busted Brian,

00:29:28.920 saying,

00:29:29.120 my apologies to you guys.

00:29:30.040 Woke up on the wrong side

00:29:30.680 of the bed today

00:29:31.180 and took it out on you guys.

00:29:32.120 It's fine.

00:29:32.420 I retract my guys

00:29:33.200 calling you a caliphate.

00:29:34.180 Sorry.

00:29:34.620 I appreciate it.

00:29:35.520 That's absolutely fine.

00:29:36.580 We all get in a bit of a mood

00:29:37.660 sometimes, don't we?

00:29:38.800 Thanks for the apology.

00:29:39.480 I love it when people

00:29:40.400 come across as a dick

00:29:41.840 and then go,

00:29:42.380 sorry, I was being a dick.

00:29:43.460 Yeah.

00:29:43.700 That is honestly...

00:29:45.800 It's respectful.

00:29:46.520 Yeah.

00:29:46.920 It's a great character trait

00:29:48.280 to be able to do that.

00:29:49.920 Yes, it is.

00:29:50.520 Yes, it is.

00:29:50.940 Thank you for that, Brian.

00:29:53.500 Another reminder,

00:29:54.540 please check out

00:29:55.160 Stelius' course

00:29:56.160 on Ancient Greek Virtue Ethics.

00:29:59.540 You know we need them.

00:30:01.100 You know you personally need them.

00:30:02.560 I know I personally need them.

00:30:03.700 We all know that we need them.

00:30:04.600 So please check it out.

00:30:05.800 It's definitely worth your time.

00:30:08.460 I want to talk to you

00:30:09.700 about how Enoch Powell

00:30:11.020 was right about Birmingham,

00:30:12.460 but from the lens

00:30:14.400 of what's been happening

00:30:15.480 with football.

00:30:16.960 We had a bunch of MPs,

00:30:19.140 the Islamo-communists,

00:30:20.800 saying that an Israeli team,

00:30:22.940 Maccabi Tel Aviv,

00:30:23.880 shouldn't be allowed

00:30:24.900 to play in Birmingham

00:30:28.560 against Aston Villa.

00:30:30.160 and they started

00:30:32.300 a petition for that.

00:30:33.720 It was Jeremy Corbyn,

00:30:34.900 Ayub Khan,

00:30:36.160 Iqbal Mahmoud,

00:30:37.240 I think his name was,

00:30:38.860 whatever.

00:30:40.020 And they all joined in

00:30:41.460 saying,

00:30:41.960 no, no, no, no,

00:30:42.420 this absolutely shouldn't happen.

00:30:44.480 Basically,

00:30:45.100 the Jezbollah Brigade.

00:30:46.260 And lo and behold,

00:30:51.360 it worked.

00:30:52.500 It was announced

00:30:53.480 that they wouldn't be allowed

00:30:55.260 to participate.

00:30:58.460 It was announced

00:31:00.240 that the fans

00:31:01.260 wouldn't be allowed

00:31:02.460 to attend,

00:31:03.240 even though the match

00:31:04.240 would go ahead.

00:31:05.820 The decision was made

00:31:07.140 by something called

00:31:08.000 the Safety Advisory Group.

00:31:10.620 And the West Midlands Police

00:31:12.540 says that it had concerns

00:31:14.140 about its ability

00:31:14.940 to deal with protests

00:31:16.340 when the Israeli side

00:31:18.340 play at Villa Park.

00:31:19.460 Who's going to be

00:31:20.060 protesting them

00:31:20.820 in Birmingham?

00:31:23.580 Brummies. 0.99

00:31:24.460 Yes, natives,

00:31:25.520 I'm sure.

00:31:26.000 Brummies. 0.99

00:31:26.600 Natives. 0.92

00:31:27.720 And so,

00:31:28.540 the Safety Advisory Group,

00:31:30.380 which issues

00:31:31.020 safety certificates,

00:31:32.100 these are quite important

00:31:33.020 because if you don't have

00:31:34.000 the right safety certification,

00:31:35.860 your insurance

00:31:36.520 becomes extremely expensive.

00:31:38.380 and that means

00:31:40.280 that the cost

00:31:41.440 of hosting the event

00:31:43.020 becomes quite expensive

00:31:44.740 and that really affects

00:31:46.160 everybody in the area

00:31:47.220 because as a result of this,

00:31:50.000 now everybody in Birmingham

00:31:50.960 is going to have to pay

00:31:51.940 higher insurance premiums

00:31:53.400 for things like rioting.

00:31:56.600 If you check out

00:31:58.540 my Moda Geopolitics

00:32:00.260 sub-stack,

00:32:01.500 you'll find that I've been

00:32:02.400 talking about the risk

00:32:03.580 of rioting in Europe

00:32:04.280 for quite some time.

00:32:06.160 But anyway,

00:32:07.000 what obviously

00:32:08.940 then happened

00:32:09.660 was that

00:32:10.680 the Gaza MPs

00:32:13.640 started celebrating

00:32:14.700 that they succeeded

00:32:17.640 and that the

00:32:18.680 Maccabi Tel Aviv fans

00:32:19.760 won't be allowed

00:32:20.600 to watch the match

00:32:21.960 in Aston Villa

00:32:22.720 and they clothed it

00:32:25.280 in the language

00:32:26.800 of safetyism,

00:32:28.540 that it was really

00:32:29.760 for the safety

00:32:30.500 of the people

00:32:31.420 of Birmingham

00:32:32.540 that this was decided.

00:32:33.920 Now,

00:32:36.520 you...

00:32:38.080 What,

00:32:38.300 the Tel Aviv fans

00:32:39.420 are likely to destroy

00:32:40.560 Birmingham?

00:32:41.200 As a matter of fact,

00:32:42.140 the Tel Aviv fans

00:32:42.800 are quite nasty

00:32:43.480 and I'll get to that.

00:32:44.020 No, I know, I know, I know.

00:32:45.700 But I don't think

00:32:46.600 they were the ones

00:32:47.180 who were going to be

00:32:47.740 destroying Birmingham

00:32:49.140 and the language

00:32:51.900 here is

00:32:52.540 one,

00:32:53.320 safetyism,

00:32:54.220 two,

00:32:54.440 the politicization

00:32:55.260 of everything.

00:32:56.480 Sports should be enjoyed

00:32:57.840 by all

00:32:58.360 regardless of race,

00:32:59.820 ethnicity,

00:33:00.400 da-da-da-da-da.

00:33:01.380 However,

00:33:02.480 the political dynamics

00:33:03.820 around sports spectacles

00:33:05.480 cannot be ignored

00:33:06.580 and drastic action

00:33:08.480 must be taken

00:33:09.420 to ensure the safety

00:33:10.260 of fans,

00:33:10.940 players,

00:33:11.400 staff,

00:33:11.700 and local residents.

00:33:12.380 So they touch

00:33:13.820 on the language

00:33:16.320 that is used

00:33:17.160 by the British

00:33:17.680 administrative state

00:33:18.480 and the British left.

00:33:19.840 If you watch

00:33:20.580 my Realpolitik

00:33:21.600 from Monday,

00:33:23.220 I explain

00:33:23.820 how the Muslim Brotherhood

00:33:24.740 always uses

00:33:25.860 the terminology

00:33:27.080 of this culture

00:33:28.080 in order to sort of

00:33:29.120 undermine it

00:33:30.240 and attack it

00:33:30.740 from within.

00:33:31.480 Please go check it out.

00:33:32.320 And why,

00:33:33.420 as always,

00:33:33.940 this is the

00:33:34.460 ever-pertinent question

00:33:35.880 at the forefront

00:33:36.440 of my mind,

00:33:37.620 why does it have

00:33:38.820 to be our problem?

00:33:40.380 Why did we have

00:33:41.220 to import

00:33:42.080 these Middle Eastern 0.86

00:33:43.940 ethnic grievances

00:33:45.220 in the first place?

00:33:47.220 Good question.

00:33:47.940 Completely unnecessary

00:33:48.760 problem for us

00:33:49.700 to give to ourselves.

00:33:51.020 Look,

00:33:51.260 another question is,

00:33:52.260 this is a UEFA match,

00:33:55.760 so the European

00:33:56.500 Football Federation,

00:33:58.200 and one of the questions

00:33:58.980 is,

00:33:59.340 why is Israel 0.95

00:34:00.080 counted as a European country?

00:34:01.540 I was just waiting

00:34:02.340 to say that.

00:34:03.180 It's the same question

00:34:03.880 that your revision gets.

00:34:05.100 Yeah,

00:34:05.280 I was waiting to say that.

00:34:06.240 I feel like Europe 0.92

00:34:07.940 ends at the Bosphorus.

00:34:09.860 Yeah.

00:34:10.360 I mean,

00:34:10.820 even in Istanbul,

00:34:12.080 it's called the European side

00:34:13.300 and the Asian side,

00:34:14.280 that's what they call it.

00:34:15.020 Pretty much.

00:34:15.580 So,

00:34:16.020 yeah,

00:34:16.340 like,

00:34:16.740 Israeli teams

00:34:17.580 shouldn't really be

00:34:18.380 in UEFA,

00:34:19.420 just geographically,

00:34:21.240 right?

00:34:21.500 They are.

00:34:23.300 And we saw

00:34:24.220 Zahra Sultana

00:34:25.140 after her tiff

00:34:26.300 with your party

00:34:27.000 celebrating this

00:34:27.920 and saying that

00:34:28.760 more Israelis

00:34:29.960 should be banned

00:34:30.660 for more things,

00:34:32.080 the Muslim vote,

00:34:34.180 an organization

00:34:35.100 mobilizing Muslims

00:34:36.260 for the interests

00:34:37.120 of Muslims,

00:34:37.840 blah, blah.

00:34:38.120 And then you see

00:34:39.520 the Islamo-communists 0.99

00:34:40.660 commenting,

00:34:41.260 this one is actually funny.

00:34:43.140 I say,

00:34:43.980 let the Tel Aviv fans in.

00:34:45.680 Once the game is finished,

00:34:46.620 lock the doors for two years,

00:34:47.800 close the food stalls,

00:34:48.800 cut the electricity

00:34:49.440 and flatten their homes.

00:34:52.220 Well,

00:34:52.520 this is going to be like

00:34:53.600 Hillsborough on steroids

00:34:54.980 this person is asking for.

00:34:56.900 Yeah,

00:34:57.460 exactly.

00:34:57.940 and I'll ignore

00:35:01.160 some of these guys

00:35:01.960 but I want to talk

00:35:03.220 for a second

00:35:03.820 about how cucked

00:35:04.720 the police is

00:35:05.500 because the statement

00:35:07.900 from the police

00:35:09.280 was

00:35:09.840 we have actively

00:35:11.340 engaged

00:35:12.060 with a wide range

00:35:13.200 of local partners

00:35:14.120 and community

00:35:14.940 representatives.

00:35:17.080 Presumably,

00:35:18.100 the white Brits

00:35:19.020 didn't have their

00:35:19.740 community representative

00:35:20.620 present.

00:35:22.000 Now,

00:35:22.180 we never realized

00:35:22.960 we needed community

00:35:23.920 representatives

00:35:24.600 until a few,

00:35:25.760 like five years.

00:35:26.620 You were naive

00:35:28.260 and stupid 0.84

00:35:28.780 and you thought

00:35:29.260 that your representative

00:35:29.980 sit in parliament

00:35:30.660 and what is being

00:35:32.820 expressed here

00:35:33.660 is that this is

00:35:34.440 a colony

00:35:35.360 in Birmingham

00:35:36.120 that doesn't

00:35:37.300 in fact obey

00:35:38.120 British law

00:35:38.760 where the rules

00:35:39.360 of the British state

00:35:40.140 do not apply

00:35:41.380 and therefore

00:35:42.680 everything must be

00:35:44.360 negotiated

00:35:45.000 with local

00:35:45.700 community leaders

00:35:46.400 which is incidentally

00:35:47.740 exactly how

00:35:48.520 Lebanon is policed.

00:35:50.180 Like that's how

00:35:50.660 Lebanon is policed.

00:35:51.580 You go and you ask

00:35:52.400 the different sectarian

00:35:53.260 leaders,

00:35:54.080 what do you think

00:35:54.780 and then the army

00:35:55.740 acts or does

00:35:56.580 act?

00:35:57.360 And everybody

00:35:57.660 knows globally

00:35:58.700 that Lebanon

00:35:59.520 is in like an

00:36:00.360 ideal situation

00:36:02.060 governmentally

00:36:02.840 that needs to be

00:36:03.560 replicated across

00:36:04.480 the world.

00:36:05.520 It's pretty much

00:36:06.080 that.

00:36:07.180 While the safety

00:36:08.240 certificate is issued

00:36:09.260 by Birmingham

00:36:09.940 City Council,

00:36:10.760 I wonder who

00:36:11.300 dominates the

00:36:11.880 Birmingham City

00:36:12.380 Council,

00:36:13.600 West Midlands

00:36:14.460 Police supports

00:36:15.320 the decision

00:36:15.840 to prohibit

00:36:16.620 away supporters

00:36:17.440 from attending.

00:36:20.040 Okay.

00:36:21.640 It makes the

00:36:22.480 trouble on the

00:36:23.060 terraces from

00:36:23.820 the 1980s

00:36:24.860 with a bit of

00:36:25.940 fisticuffs.

00:36:26.980 Yeah.

00:36:27.260 Like, you know,

00:36:27.600 maybe a knuckle

00:36:28.300 duster or a

00:36:29.120 thrown brick

00:36:29.680 once in a blue

00:36:30.360 moon.

00:36:30.500 It makes that

00:36:31.920 look like

00:36:32.540 child's play,

00:36:33.520 doesn't it?

00:36:33.600 That's just how

00:36:34.040 the working

00:36:34.440 lads got their

00:36:35.000 energy out.

00:36:35.540 So, Keir Starmer

00:36:38.840 says that this

00:36:39.580 is completely

00:36:40.280 the wrong

00:36:40.880 decision.

00:36:42.140 We will not

00:36:42.780 tolerate

00:36:43.240 anti-Semitism

00:36:43.900 on our streets.

00:36:44.760 The role of

00:36:45.240 the police is

00:36:45.780 to ensure

00:36:46.160 all football

00:36:46.900 plans can

00:36:47.620 enjoy the

00:36:48.100 game without

00:36:50.080 fear of

00:36:50.700 violence or

00:36:51.160 intimidation.

00:36:51.800 If only he

00:36:52.420 was in a

00:36:52.800 position of

00:36:53.280 power and

00:36:53.760 was able to

00:36:54.220 do something

00:36:54.640 about it.

00:36:55.620 I mean,

00:36:55.980 this guy

00:36:56.280 sounds sensible.

00:36:57.200 You know,

00:36:57.420 the British

00:36:57.760 state should

00:36:58.300 be sovereign

00:36:58.800 and should

00:36:59.260 decide what

00:37:00.800 events are

00:37:01.740 permitted and

00:37:02.300 what not,

00:37:02.840 rather than

00:37:03.460 mobbish 0.92

00:37:03.800 community leaders

00:37:04.520 from the

00:37:04.840 third world.

00:37:05.540 He sounds

00:37:05.920 very sensible.

00:37:06.600 Maybe we

00:37:06.960 should give

00:37:07.280 the guy

00:37:07.560 some power

00:37:08.100 and make

00:37:08.420 him, I

00:37:08.600 don't know,

00:37:09.460 prime

00:37:09.640 freaking

00:37:09.880 minister.

00:37:10.600 Well, you

00:37:10.800 know that if

00:37:11.300 it was, say,

00:37:12.400 Englishmen

00:37:13.140 protesting a

00:37:14.140 bunch of

00:37:14.740 Pakistanis in 1.00

00:37:16.360 Birmingham

00:37:17.280 playing football

00:37:18.540 or something,

00:37:19.080 then he would

00:37:19.500 mobilize the

00:37:20.260 military.

00:37:20.880 Yes.

00:37:21.680 Immediately.

00:37:22.520 To get them

00:37:22.980 off the

00:37:23.260 streets.

00:37:24.000 It's very,

00:37:24.740 very brave of

00:37:25.360 him that he

00:37:26.020 won't tolerate

00:37:26.660 anti-Semitism

00:37:27.320 on our streets.

00:37:29.060 It's very,

00:37:29.440 very brave of him.

00:37:29.940 I'm very

00:37:30.300 impressed.

00:37:30.860 But apparently...

00:37:31.520 But still

00:37:31.800 endless boats

00:37:32.640 and legal

00:37:34.280 migration.

00:37:35.120 Yes.

00:37:35.380 Of Muslim

00:37:35.820 people.

00:37:36.340 Okay.

00:37:37.180 Yes.

00:37:37.600 That all adds

00:37:38.160 up.

00:37:38.480 Apparently there's a big

00:37:39.840 government crisis

00:37:40.560 happening now with

00:37:41.660 talks across the

00:37:42.580 board over how to

00:37:43.420 actually allow the

00:37:45.840 Tel Aviv fans to

00:37:46.640 attend, which sort

00:37:48.300 of brings up the

00:37:49.000 question, are they

00:37:50.100 really nice people,

00:37:52.180 the Tel Aviv fans?

00:37:53.220 You're telling me they

00:37:55.700 actually did something

00:37:57.020 to warrant a

00:37:58.440 backlash?

00:37:59.040 They weren't just

00:37:59.460 perfectly peaceful?

00:38:00.480 So some of these

00:38:01.300 guys marched with

00:38:02.220 the right and

00:38:02.980 since 2014, I want

00:38:04.780 to draw your

00:38:05.320 attention to two

00:38:05.900 points.

00:38:06.680 One is that in

00:38:07.900 2014 when there

00:38:09.040 was a war in

00:38:09.600 Gaza that killed

00:38:10.520 I think 2,000

00:38:11.200 people, something

00:38:11.760 like that, the

00:38:14.020 Huffington Post was

00:38:14.860 describing it as a

00:38:15.660 genocide, which it

00:38:16.940 wasn't a genocide.

00:38:17.960 And they're

00:38:18.220 describing this one

00:38:18.900 was a genocide.

00:38:20.160 I think it was an

00:38:21.200 attempt at ethnic

00:38:21.840 cleansing.

00:38:22.300 I don't think it

00:38:22.680 was a genocide.

00:38:23.420 That's a different

00:38:23.860 conversation.

00:38:25.100 But what the

00:38:26.140 supporters of this

00:38:27.440 club were chanting

00:38:28.300 was the schools in

00:38:30.140 Gaza are closed

00:38:30.940 because all the

00:38:31.580 children are dead.

00:38:34.340 Which, even by

00:38:36.140 Middle Eastern

00:38:36.640 standards where we

00:38:37.720 all wear our

00:38:38.380 hatreds on our

00:38:38.960 sleeves and sort of

00:38:39.820 express them quite

00:38:40.540 openly, that's a

00:38:42.100 bit extreme.

00:38:43.800 Like that's, there's

00:38:45.300 no school in Gaza,

00:38:46.200 there are no more

00:38:46.680 kids left, that's

00:38:47.520 just evil.

00:38:48.900 And these are

00:38:50.380 the fans of the

00:38:52.740 Makkabi Tel Aviv.

00:38:54.500 There is no school

00:38:55.440 tomorrow, there are

00:38:56.140 no children left in

00:38:56.980 Gaza.

00:38:57.740 They chant nicer

00:38:58.820 things like, F the

00:39:00.400 Arabs and so on and

00:39:01.260 so forth.

00:39:02.280 Let the IDF finish 0.69

00:39:03.440 the job, blah, blah,

00:39:04.340 blah.

00:39:04.880 You expect some

00:39:06.380 extreme nationalism,

00:39:08.220 but celebrating

00:39:10.880 that the kids are

00:39:11.800 dead, that's just

00:39:14.180 vile.

00:39:15.260 That's just not

00:39:15.820 cricket, chap.

00:39:16.980 That's just not

00:39:17.520 cricket, is it?

00:39:18.240 And I think it's

00:39:19.620 sort of worth

00:39:20.300 emphasizing that if

00:39:23.200 you are marinated in

00:39:24.800 European Christian

00:39:25.740 culture, and

00:39:26.420 especially in liberal

00:39:27.440 culture, you have no

00:39:29.560 idea what the Middle

00:39:30.620 East is actually like.

00:39:32.000 You don't get it, you

00:39:33.160 don't understand it.

00:39:34.720 Pretending that

00:39:35.300 everybody's just going

00:39:36.060 to get along the

00:39:36.940 minute that they touch

00:39:37.700 British soil is so 0.51

00:39:39.080 freaking stupid. 0.75

00:39:40.400 It's insanely stupid.

00:39:41.700 And these guys have

00:39:44.640 form.

00:39:45.260 In Amsterdam,

00:39:46.320 apparently, this is an

00:39:48.360 actually pretty unbiased

00:39:49.840 Guardian investigation.

00:39:51.240 If you remember in

00:39:51.980 Amsterdam, I think it was

00:39:53.040 around 7 November

00:39:53.940 2024.

00:39:55.200 Yeah, I was going to

00:39:55.660 say this was last year

00:39:57.000 and I saw a number of,

00:39:58.200 I don't think we reported

00:39:59.440 on it, maybe we did, but I

00:40:00.540 wasn't involved in it.

00:40:01.400 I saw a number of

00:40:02.020 conflicting reports of

00:40:03.560 what went on.

00:40:04.360 Jewish people and

00:40:07.040 Israelis were alleging

00:40:08.080 that it was just mass

00:40:09.100 outbreak of anti-Semitism

00:40:11.160 for no reason.

00:40:12.300 Other people were

00:40:12.900 reporting that the Jewish 0.75

00:40:14.980 fans had been actually

00:40:16.140 trying to goad the

00:40:17.340 opposing fans.

00:40:18.720 So really, as best as

00:40:21.540 I could tell, as best as

00:40:23.700 I could tell, what

00:40:25.600 started was before the

00:40:27.040 match, one of the

00:40:29.200 Israeli fans bashed a

00:40:30.560 taxi and then, according

00:40:33.060 to the Guardian, that

00:40:34.780 taxi, who was obviously

00:40:35.880 Muslim, assembled a 0.90

00:40:38.820 bunch of...

00:40:39.260 Why are there Muslim 1.00

00:40:39.820 taxis in Amsterdam?

00:40:41.180 Good question, good

00:40:41.980 question.

00:40:43.220 Assembled a bunch of his

00:40:44.700 co-religionists to try to 0.98

00:40:46.080 attack a casino where the

00:40:48.680 Tel Aviv fans were having

00:40:49.840 a party and the police

00:40:52.180 managed to break that

00:40:52.920 off.

00:40:53.600 Then the Tel Aviv fans

00:40:54.760 went around tearing down

00:40:56.200 Palestinian flags in

00:40:57.320 Amsterdam.

00:40:58.520 Why are there Palestinian 1.00

00:40:59.360 flags in Amsterdam?

00:41:00.260 Good question.

00:41:01.120 Yes.

00:41:01.500 So it just became a

00:41:02.560 series of escalations.

00:41:04.000 And then it became a

00:41:05.060 series of escalations and

00:41:06.440 the groups from both

00:41:09.540 sides got beaten by the

00:41:10.720 other, depending on who

00:41:11.660 had the numbers where.

00:41:13.540 And it pretty much rolled

00:41:15.060 through the center of

00:41:15.820 Amsterdam, like a rolling

00:41:17.380 riot as the fans moved

00:41:18.520 in, until the police

00:41:19.500 managed to finally contain

00:41:20.780 it.

00:41:21.820 The Israelis describe it as

00:41:23.220 the pogrom of Amsterdam.

00:41:25.140 That's just dishonest.

00:41:26.060 And the Muslim side say that

00:41:30.880 they did nothing wrong and

00:41:32.260 the Tel Aviv fans had it

00:41:33.480 coming.

00:41:34.140 That's also a bit

00:41:34.720 dishonest.

00:41:35.880 I think if the Tel Aviv fans

00:41:37.600 had behaved a little bit

00:41:38.680 better, they would have

00:41:40.160 still been attacked, to be

00:41:41.940 fair, because they're

00:41:44.600 Israeli and because that's

00:41:46.800 this sort of tendency.

00:41:49.240 So we just have to be

00:41:50.540 truthful about that.

00:41:52.060 They're horrible, the Tel Aviv

00:41:53.580 fans.

00:41:54.460 They say absolutely

00:41:55.520 atrocious things, even by

00:41:57.060 Middle Eastern standards.

00:41:58.680 But yes, there is a very

00:42:00.440 real risk in a city like

00:42:01.980 Birmingham that this would

00:42:03.500 escalate into violence.

00:42:05.280 And here are some videos of

00:42:06.860 the rioting.

00:42:07.460 I won't bore you with them.

00:42:09.040 But just to explain why the

00:42:10.760 police's hands are tied and

00:42:12.140 why they're panicking, this

00:42:13.940 is the Aston Park region where

00:42:15.780 the Villa Park, where the

00:42:18.700 Aston Villa Park football

00:42:20.300 ground is located.

00:42:21.400 And it's a 70% Muslim area.

00:42:25.820 Which obviously has

00:42:27.140 implications.

00:42:28.540 Like the idea that you could

00:42:30.100 cede neighborhoods and let

00:42:31.380 them become 70% foreign is 0.91

00:42:33.220 absurd.

00:42:34.760 And if you look at...

00:42:35.700 I mean, right.

00:42:36.820 That's just...

00:42:39.400 Am I allowed to say

00:42:41.060 particular words regarding

00:42:42.760 ethnic displacement on

00:42:44.660 YouTube or will we get in

00:42:45.980 trouble?

00:42:47.040 Like, it's because like...

00:42:48.640 Samson said no.

00:42:49.760 Yeah, I think everybody

00:42:51.280 understands what's being

00:42:52.340 said.

00:42:52.700 Everybody knows what I'm

00:42:52.720 saying, yeah.

00:42:53.520 But if you look at the area

00:42:54.800 around it, it's 80% Asian

00:42:56.680 British, 80% British doing a 0.99

00:42:59.840 lot of heavy lifting.

00:43:01.760 The whole surrounding area

00:43:03.880 is pretty much 82%, 80%.

00:43:09.720 It's a big enclave.

00:43:11.020 It's a big enclave.

00:43:12.760 And the football field is

00:43:15.540 located somewhere here in the

00:43:17.200 middle.

00:43:18.380 And you can easily see that

00:43:20.180 getting people in and out is

00:43:22.080 going to be quite risky because

00:43:23.600 there is going to be...

00:43:24.980 Say again?

00:43:25.400 That's a tinderbox.

00:43:26.360 That's a tinderbox.

00:43:27.300 That's a tinderbox.

00:43:28.740 So the safety concerns are

00:43:30.560 legitimate.

00:43:32.380 But I don't think it was about

00:43:33.780 safety.

00:43:34.440 And I think had certain

00:43:35.880 decisions not been made and

00:43:38.180 had this base gentleman been

00:43:40.120 listened to, not this one

00:43:42.300 obviously, this more one.

00:43:42.960 I was going to say, wait,

00:43:43.940 what?

00:43:44.220 Base Lewis Goodall?

00:43:45.540 Yeah.

00:43:46.340 I mean, before I go to get to

00:43:48.120 the base gentleman, I just

00:43:49.560 want to remind you that a

00:43:50.600 week ago, Robert Jenrick was

00:43:52.980 saying that Birmingham isn't

00:43:54.160 properly integrated or that at

00:43:55.660 least there were parts of

00:43:56.500 Birmingham that weren't

00:43:57.200 properly integrated.

00:43:58.420 And all of the midwits said

00:43:59.860 that he was absolutely wrong.

00:44:01.620 And you have Lewis Goodall

00:44:03.100 here saying that, no, it's

00:44:05.280 a fantastic people, a success

00:44:07.200 story, blah, blah.

00:44:08.180 Blah, blah.

00:44:09.780 But the obsession of the

00:44:11.520 online right with it has been

00:44:13.000 as transparent as it gets, by

00:44:15.280 which he's trying to say you're

00:44:16.380 racist.

00:44:17.020 Fine.

00:44:17.500 I don't care.

00:44:18.260 So all he's saying is don't

00:44:19.260 notice.

00:44:19.840 Don't notice.

00:44:20.580 And if you do notice, it's a

00:44:21.720 good thing.

00:44:22.300 You're allowed because these

00:44:23.880 people at the same time were

00:44:24.980 saying, oh, it's such a

00:44:25.800 beautifully multicultural city,

00:44:27.980 which is a euphemism.

00:44:29.520 That's just veiled language,

00:44:30.680 which means it's not English.

00:44:33.020 Yes.

00:44:33.220 And you're allowed to say this

00:44:34.400 if you're in favor of it.

00:44:35.660 But if you're not in favor of

00:44:36.780 it then, what are you talking

00:44:38.240 about?

00:44:38.580 You're crazy conspiracy

00:44:39.920 theorist.

00:44:40.860 A fantastic city.

00:44:41.980 Well, OK, you're allowed your

00:44:42.880 opinion.

00:44:43.480 A success story.

00:44:45.000 Objectively not true.

00:44:46.440 Objectively not true.

00:44:47.360 Exactly.

00:44:48.180 And you mentioned Powell at the

00:44:49.700 beginning.

00:44:50.020 Yeah.

00:44:50.200 Because he was from, he was, I

00:44:52.080 think, born and grew up in

00:44:52.920 Birmingham.

00:44:53.340 Certainly his constituency was

00:44:54.520 just outside Birmingham.

00:44:55.680 Yep.

00:44:55.820 And so, yeah, he called it's

00:44:57.920 like 50 years ago.

00:44:58.160 I'll get to him, but I want to

00:44:59.680 insult the BBC a little bit

00:45:01.020 first.

00:45:01.360 OK.

00:45:02.020 Go for it.

00:45:02.780 When Jenrick said that there's

00:45:04.540 a problem with integration, the

00:45:05.820 BBC said that the 2021 census

00:45:08.620 found 91.3 percent of

00:45:12.960 Hansworth's population, the area

00:45:14.620 in Birmingham that he was

00:45:15.400 talking about, were black, Asian

00:45:18.460 and ethnic minorities.

00:45:20.460 I don't understand how that's

00:45:21.680 not English.

00:45:22.500 Not English. 0.65

00:45:22.860 Exactly.

00:45:23.880 It's significantly higher than

00:45:25.440 Birmingham as a whole, which is

00:45:26.660 51 percent, not English.

00:45:29.980 But Hansworth's demographic is

00:45:31.860 not unique.

00:45:33.280 Small Heath, Alum Rock and

00:45:34.660 Spark Hill are among Birmingham

00:45:36.380 neighborhoods where the

00:45:37.140 population is more than 75 percent

00:45:38.980 Asian and British Asian.

00:45:40.560 Which is why this problem

00:45:41.580 happened.

00:45:43.100 For generations, the city has

00:45:45.900 prided itself on its

00:45:46.940 multiculturalism.

00:45:48.820 Oh.

00:45:48.900 Do you feel proud?

00:45:50.320 Has it.

00:45:51.340 Do you guys feel particularly

00:45:52.600 proud right now?

00:45:53.600 I can't imagine that all of the

00:45:54.800 people who chose to leave

00:45:56.200 Birmingham because of the way it

00:45:57.740 was changing, who were born and

00:45:59.500 bred there, were particularly 0.98

00:46:00.980 proud of it.

00:46:02.000 I wouldn't say so.

00:46:03.460 I wouldn't say so.

00:46:04.280 It's like all of the Londoners who 1.00

00:46:06.080 moved to Essex.

00:46:07.540 Yep.

00:46:08.060 And Kent instead.

00:46:08.820 I think we must be mad.

00:46:11.340 Literally mad.

00:46:12.760 Yes.

00:46:13.160 To have done such a thing.

00:46:14.280 Like the Romans. 0.75

00:46:15.640 Yep.

00:46:16.060 I see that was the mouth of the

00:46:17.780 River Tiber foaming with blood.

00:46:19.820 Drenrich's comments where he said

00:46:23.060 that Birmingham had an integration

00:46:24.300 problem have angered many

00:46:26.600 politicians, rights groups, and

00:46:28.240 locals.

00:46:29.420 Locals is doing a lot of heavy

00:46:30.640 lifting here.

00:46:32.240 The Bishop of Birmingham, Michael

00:46:34.020 Voland, Michael Belland?

00:46:35.880 No, Michael Voland, said he felt

00:46:38.260 they had the potential to

00:46:42.980 generate anxiety and stir up

00:46:45.140 division and feed into a harmful

00:46:48.440 narrative that provides fuel for a

00:46:51.760 fire of toxic nationalism.

00:46:55.020 Okay.

00:46:55.900 Don't pay attention.

00:46:56.720 I'm so glad we avoided that toxic

00:46:58.540 nationalism.

00:46:59.760 You know, now every time Jews have 1.00

00:47:01.740 to move around, they have to be in

00:47:03.080 sort of armored vehicles, but at

00:47:05.420 least there's no toxic nationalism.

00:47:06.960 And again, this isn't a defense of

00:47:09.760 the fans of Maccabi Tel Aviv.

00:47:11.140 The point here is simple.

00:47:13.300 If the British state is sovereign,

00:47:15.600 then whoever it gives a visa should

00:47:17.900 be safe anywhere on the territory of

00:47:19.820 Britain.

00:47:21.060 And it should not be the case that

00:47:24.260 different ethnic groups and community

00:47:26.280 leaders can override the decisions of

00:47:29.220 the British state.

00:47:30.740 There is a sovereign.

00:47:32.360 If, as I said on X, if the British 0.99

00:47:35.880 government decides that it's going to

00:47:37.660 resurrect Hitler, Mao, and Pol Pot, and 0.92

00:47:41.960 Stalin to boot, and parade them in 1.00

00:47:45.940 Westminster, the people who prevent this

00:47:49.760 should be British people acting within 1.00

00:47:52.740 the system, not the threat of mob

00:47:55.240 violence.

00:47:56.320 The threat of mob violence means that you

00:48:00.220 have been colonized and means that you are

00:48:02.900 no longer sovereign over the entirety of your

00:48:04.900 territory because you have to negotiate with

00:48:07.300 community leaders every time you want to host

00:48:10.380 somebody.

00:48:11.200 It doesn't matter if this particular guest of

00:48:13.980 yours is good or bad.

00:48:15.940 It's the decision of the British government.

00:48:18.100 It's not the decision of the mob.

00:48:19.880 And what's happened here is that the mob has taken

00:48:22.780 control of Britain's second largest city and

00:48:25.780 they're bragging about it while sitting in Britain's

00:48:28.660 parliament.

00:48:29.820 That's what's happened.

00:48:31.580 I mean, for me, you know, I agree with most of

00:48:35.140 what you're saying there.

00:48:35.940 To me, I can't help but get the feeling that part

00:48:37.840 of this is all by design.

00:48:39.640 That the sovereign government sees, because it

00:48:43.060 sees these people as its own client group, it's

00:48:45.860 not necessarily that they've entirely lost control.

00:48:48.360 It's that they're allowing this to happen, to

00:48:51.480 foment confusion, to foment chaos, and also to

00:48:54.620 be able to, as they have done with digital IDs

00:48:57.060 recently, they make sure that the boats are still

00:48:59.780 coming in to generate resistance to the boats, to

00:49:03.780 give themselves consent, to manufacture the

00:49:06.880 consent, to say, here's the technocratic solution

00:49:09.560 to this problem.

00:49:10.640 They're not trying to solve the problem.

00:49:12.120 They're trying to let the problem get worse so

00:49:14.240 that people will eventually feel that they are

00:49:17.600 willing to accept any solution that the British 1.00

00:49:19.820 state proposes to them.

00:49:21.740 Absolutely.

00:49:22.380 Absolutely.

00:49:22.940 Absolutely.

00:49:23.220 This was always about divide and conquer, with the 0.99

00:49:26.980 government acting as colonial administrators of the

00:49:30.200 British people and treating them as a second class 1.00

00:49:34.280 group that needs to be subjugated and put down through

00:49:39.080 the introduction of foreign elements that are more

00:49:41.060 dependent on it.

00:49:42.220 That's always been obvious, I think.

00:49:45.200 And it's become more obvious with Starmer pushing for

00:49:48.940 digital ID that is going to connect to everything that you

00:49:52.320 do that will eventually be tied to your social media and to

00:49:55.620 your right to express yourself.

00:49:57.340 This is very transparent at this stage.

00:49:59.800 So let's listen to this base gentleman, Enoch Powell, and

00:50:02.460 remember, if only more people had listened.

00:50:06.040 A considerable proportion in the case of Birmingham, it

00:50:10.860 will be at least two fifths will be occupied by the immigrants and

00:50:13.980 their descendants by the early years of the next century.

00:50:16.100 It's totally separate for the most part from the rest of a

00:50:18.880 population because of the numbers.

00:50:20.860 If the numbers were small, then of course, like any very small minority,

00:50:26.020 they would filter into the population.

00:50:27.900 But nobody seriously imagines that if two fifths of Birmingham consists of a 0.99

00:50:33.520 first generation of descendants born here, of people from the West Indies,

00:50:38.420 from Africa and from Asia, there will not be a profound difference

00:50:42.460 between that part of a population and the rest.

00:50:45.660 You think nobody would notice?

00:50:46.800 No, I think they'll notice, certainly.

00:50:48.120 The question about this is whether they will notice with fear and horror

00:50:50.540 unless someone announces to them that fear and horror are an appropriate

00:50:54.160 response to such a fact.

00:50:55.360 I see.

00:50:55.960 You think that human nature is such that unless somebody referred to this,

00:51:01.500 nobody would notice that their own native cities were transformed,

00:51:07.320 that the white population was moving out and a different population was...

00:51:11.440 It's an excellent series of clips from that interview.

00:51:16.400 And Jonathan Miller, even back then in the early 70s,

00:51:19.640 is presenting all of the same shit-lib midwit arguments that you hear to this

00:51:25.060 very day.

00:51:25.720 Oh, no, no, no.

00:51:26.200 It's not that people notice.

00:51:27.680 It's not that people don't like what's happening.

00:51:29.880 It's that people like you point it out and tell them to be upset by it.

00:51:36.340 Yeah.

00:51:36.520 Yeah, complete dishonest bullshit.

00:51:38.800 Yeah, Jonathan Miller's scumbag.

00:51:41.480 If you listen to Powell, I did a video again on the state of politics,

00:51:46.000 and they were that half-hour, 40-minute-odd one,

00:51:47.920 all about the life and career of Powell.

00:51:50.580 And he was so unbelievably prophetic.

00:51:53.340 He calls it, he's talking about two-fifths.

00:51:55.060 It's actually 70% now, or 90% in some region.

00:51:57.620 So he's underestimating it, if anything.

00:52:01.160 And he just calls it perfectly.

00:52:03.920 He just describes the world we live in now, in places like Birmingham anyway.

00:52:07.620 Just describes it perfectly.

00:52:09.660 It's unbelievable that his name is just a byword, shorthand,

00:52:13.980 for insane, unreasonable, irrational, bigotry or xenophobia.

00:52:18.800 Not at all.

00:52:20.540 He saw the future almost perfectly.

00:52:23.260 A remarkable thing.

00:52:24.480 I've noticed that because reality is now becoming unavoidable to certain elites,

00:52:29.080 they are starting to not rehabilitate Powell,

00:52:32.720 but at least acknowledge that factually, in terms of the demographics,

00:52:37.600 he was right, even if they don't agree that it's a bad thing.

00:52:40.900 So is it the rest is history podcast?

00:52:43.800 State of politics.

00:52:44.720 No, not everything's about me, sorry.

00:52:49.600 No, not everything's about you.

00:52:50.720 Somebody called you Bocahontas.

00:52:52.640 Yeah, I like that.

00:52:53.640 Not everything's about the big Bocahontas. 1.00

00:52:57.100 No.

00:52:58.380 I think it's the rest is history podcast.

00:53:01.180 Oh, with Tom Holland.

00:53:02.200 Yeah, the rest is history.

00:53:03.100 There was a recent episode, I think Dominic Sandbrook, is that his name, the historian?

00:53:07.360 I mean, they did an episode examining Enoch Powell and his legacy,

00:53:11.720 and this Dominic guy, I saw a number of clips come out of it,

00:53:14.420 was openly admitting that here's what Powell said about this city and that city,

00:53:20.900 here are the demographics now,

00:53:22.900 and you can't deny by the light of those facts that he was correct.

00:53:27.880 Now, he then went on to try to spin it and say,

00:53:31.760 you know, well, we did get all of these benefits from it,

00:53:35.540 like the magnificent range of food that you could eat,

00:53:39.780 that kind of thing.

00:53:40.800 But they are starting to, at least some fringe elements of the elites,

00:53:45.400 which might then spread out into the broader elite circles,

00:53:49.800 they are starting to acknowledge,

00:53:51.420 no, Powell was bob on with what he was saying,

00:53:54.700 even if we don't agree that it was a bad thing like he said it would be.

00:53:59.180 So that's interesting.

00:54:00.260 I'll be interested to see in the next few years.

00:54:01.420 Tony Baer's guy was saying that the change in London was a good thing

00:54:04.880 and that it sort of made London even greater.

00:54:07.500 So Tony Baer's communications advisor, was he?

00:54:09.960 Yeah.

00:54:10.480 So, yeah, we're short on time,

00:54:13.040 so let's go through the comments here.

00:54:17.220 PL, please Vishnu?

00:54:19.520 Okay.

00:54:20.540 I don't know if you've done this before, as I'm a new viewer,

00:54:23.060 but would you do a dedicated episode about Jesus and Christianity

00:54:25.860 outside of politics, just spiritual?

00:54:29.400 Why don't you tag me on X and tell me what your questions are

00:54:32.000 and I'll see if I can fit them into something.

00:54:33.700 But yeah, okay, fine.

00:54:36.240 I wanted to do a piece of content with a historian

00:54:39.740 talking about the historicity of Christ,

00:54:42.740 the actual historical figure.

00:54:46.080 But I haven't really found anyone to take me up on that.

00:54:50.020 I can find you someone.

00:54:50.840 Okay.

00:54:51.860 So insurance is once again a scam control method.

00:54:54.320 Yep, Russian garbage human, you're right. 1.00

00:54:56.980 Reverend Norris, the land of Greta Thunberg,

00:55:00.060 sends its regards.

00:55:00.900 Thank you.

00:55:01.720 Has been interesting seeing all the commies

00:55:03.560 and Palestine activists melt down over the ceasefire up here.

00:55:06.240 Yeah, man, the sort of, like, it's not about Palestine.

00:55:09.320 They don't give a damn about human rights.

00:55:10.700 They're willing to do much worse than the Israelis are doing 1.00

00:55:13.000 to the right if they ever got the power to do it.

00:55:15.320 These people wear causes like sort of skin suits 0.98

00:55:20.300 and it's all based on hatred and resentment and anger

00:55:24.620 and really Peterson captured it perfectly.

00:55:27.820 They're angry at God for having created them

00:55:29.740 and they're angry at their parents for having made them

00:55:32.780 and they're angry at society for having given them the potential to be worthwhile.

00:55:37.400 This is who they are.

00:55:40.140 Owen Davies, SAGs, the safety administrative groups,

00:55:44.640 regulate all medium and large events.

00:55:46.540 It also depends on what the club is willing to pay for to make it safe.

00:55:49.820 If they paid more, likely approved.

00:55:52.020 Yeah, so there's, like, if 80% of the area is willing to attack the Israelis, 0.90

00:55:59.220 then the cost becomes prohibitive and that's the message that's being sent.

00:56:05.180 Lewis Shaw, I'm struggling to explain to other people why I fly the England flag.

00:56:09.560 Can you guys help me explain it better?

00:56:11.940 You're proud of your heritage and your people.

00:56:13.880 You don't need to explain shit to anyone if you want to do it.

00:56:16.560 I wrote a piece.

00:56:17.300 You're in England.

00:56:18.060 You can do that.

00:56:18.940 Yeah.

00:56:19.200 End of story.

00:56:19.920 I wrote a piece called Against Human Rights

00:56:21.900 in which I argued that your belonging and your existence and your debts are to those around you

00:56:30.180 and that unless you love them and revere them, you will never have a society.

00:56:35.880 So if you want, go check it out.

00:56:37.220 It's on my other website, convertordie.net.

00:56:42.060 If someone ever asks you to explain yourself on that side,

00:56:44.420 now you explain to me why I've got to explain myself.

00:56:47.460 That's a, yes.

00:56:48.920 Yeah.

00:56:49.640 Yes.

00:56:49.860 But you know the answer.

00:56:51.400 The answer is going to be, but it's divisive.

00:56:53.060 And then the question is, why is it divisive?

00:56:54.580 Why do they not like this flag?

00:56:56.160 Because they don't belong to this country. 0.97

00:56:57.540 I don't care if people who hate me don't like that I'm proud of my heritage.

00:57:01.500 If they say that, you just go, get away from me then.

00:57:05.660 Get away from me then.

00:57:07.340 Forget about it.

00:57:11.820 Gluck.

00:57:12.520 Just moving.

00:57:13.000 You're going to need to start looking.

00:57:13.760 I'm just moving on, guys.

00:57:15.000 You're going to have to start looking into like American Indian like insults. 0.98

00:57:20.140 Yeah.

00:57:20.460 You start embracing that 1% heritage. 1.00

00:57:24.140 And then you've got to ask yourself, is he going to scalp us one day?

00:57:27.220 Well, one of the bloody sigil stones says,

00:57:29.920 Bo being an Indian explains why he was sharpening a stone earlier while staring at Harry's head,

00:57:34.480 thinking he muttered something about a glorious felt.

00:57:37.760 You know, you can just go to Turkey if you want hair transplants.

00:57:41.020 Oh, I'm going to scalp you so I can graft it onto my own head.

00:57:45.960 I don't blame you.

00:57:47.440 I don't blame you.

00:57:48.920 I will put up a fight.

00:57:50.380 Nechama Gluck. 0.97

00:57:53.800 Okay.

00:57:54.380 Has Birmingham been ethnically cleansed?

00:57:56.740 Yeah.

00:57:57.640 Also, is the truth a crime?

00:57:59.240 In Britain and on YouTube, it seems it is.

00:58:01.020 Absolutely.

00:58:01.740 Yeah.

00:58:02.620 One tall order says, American football, maybe some fisticuffs, a drunk American version of North FC geezer pouring a beer on someone.

00:58:09.980 European football.

00:58:10.880 Total death war now.

00:58:16.680 Yeah, pretty much.

00:58:17.660 That sums it up quite nicely.

00:58:19.640 And Habsification also said, the Maccabee Tel Aviv are known in the football world to have a very strong hooligan element.

00:58:24.840 Oh, yeah.

00:58:25.100 Even other Israeli football clubs hate that club.

00:58:28.640 Right.

00:58:29.220 Question to the football fans in the audience.

00:58:32.420 This is about as far as my football knowledge goes.

00:58:35.400 Are Maccabee Tel Aviv the equivalent of, like, Liverpool fans?

00:58:40.880 I can't imagine Liverpool fans chanting, the schools are closed because all the kids are dead.

00:58:49.260 I can.

00:58:50.300 Okay.

00:58:50.780 I really can.

00:58:52.720 Okay.

00:58:53.160 So, like, because in my experience, the Liverpool fans among football fans in England are uniquely awful.

00:58:59.800 And they also seem to find your tweets.

00:59:02.120 If you're ever proud of being English, you can be guaranteed that there'll be a dogpile of Scouse fans in your replies telling you that you should go and do bad things to yourself.

00:59:13.600 So, are they the equivalent?

00:59:15.840 Liverpool football club.

00:59:17.540 No, it was...

00:59:18.400 Millwall were quite bad.

00:59:20.000 West Ham were quite bad back in the day.

00:59:22.120 Oh, well, I'm...

00:59:22.900 My...

00:59:23.500 My...

00:59:23.820 Being from the Northwest, my experience goes up to, like, Liverpool.

00:59:28.760 Not fair enough.

00:59:31.000 Fair enough.

00:59:33.180 All right.

00:59:33.880 So, let's talk a little bit about the China spying scandal that's going on in Britain right now.

00:59:40.080 Because we haven't talked about it here on Lotus ETS, I don't believe, yet.

00:59:43.560 So, I think it's high time.

00:59:45.720 First of all, just quickly to mention that Stelios has got an ancient Greek virtue ethics course that you can buy.

00:59:54.420 And he's a PhD in philosophy, a real-life living Athenian philosopher.

00:59:59.880 So, if you want that, do consider heading over to the lotusetious.com website.

01:00:04.880 And buying that, there's also webinars every week.

01:00:07.280 I was on the one yesterday, for example.

01:00:08.900 So, it's good stuff if you're interested in ancient ethics.

01:00:12.780 Socrates, Plato, Aristotle, that sort of thing.

01:00:14.940 Okay.

01:00:15.440 So, again, the China thing.

01:00:17.060 What's going on?

01:00:18.220 What is really going on?

01:00:20.240 I did a video here on the state of politics.

01:00:22.480 Check that out, the state of politics.

01:00:23.860 I did every segment now.

01:00:25.660 Okay, no, yeah, I'll get in trouble for doing it too much.

01:00:28.200 But there is already a little bit of, well, 24 minutes of me and Nate talking about that.

01:00:32.400 But that's a few days old now because there's been a few more developments.

01:00:36.120 So, what actually happened?

01:00:38.020 What are we talking about?

01:00:39.420 First of all, let's just say what happened before we get into sort of the repercussions and more details.

01:00:44.760 So, what happened was there's these two guys called Chris.

01:00:48.840 Chris Cash and Chris Berry.

01:00:50.420 And one of them, Chris Cash, I believe it was, was working with a thing called the China Research Group.

01:00:59.460 It was a parliamentary researcher.

01:01:01.480 So, it's actually, you know, very close to MPs.

01:01:05.180 And this is back, this is a few years ago now.

01:01:06.700 All this happened in like between 2021 and 2023.

01:01:09.520 So, and this is an important thing, under the Tories.

01:01:14.140 Okay, so he was working with various MPs like Tom Tugganhat.

01:01:19.640 You remember him?

01:01:20.580 Yes.

01:01:21.160 Ali.

01:01:21.740 Alicia Kearns and Neil O'Brien.

01:01:24.700 And they were working to sort of look at security issues, particularly around China, as the name suggests, the China Research Group.

01:01:32.600 So, they were looking into what China is doing.

01:01:36.500 It's espionage and it's sort of Cold War type stuff that China's doing against Britain.

01:01:42.800 So, they were looking into that.

01:01:44.500 And this Chris had access to their information and what they were talking about and various other things.

01:01:50.960 Interestingly, another point to note is we don't know exactly what detail.

01:01:54.620 But he passed that on to a friend of his, Chris Berry, who they met when they were working out in China as younger men.

01:02:01.100 There's sort of like teaching type assistants.

01:02:04.640 That's what they were doing as younger men.

01:02:05.620 So, they knew each other.

01:02:07.020 And that other Chris is still a teacher to this day, I believe.

01:02:09.560 But they knew each other and had been to China, worked and lived in China for a while.

01:02:14.700 So, this Christopher Cash had access to sensitive stuff.

01:02:19.280 Exactly what that sensitive stuff is, we still don't know exactly.

01:02:24.200 But China probably does now.

01:02:25.820 Well, so, the allegation is, because both the Chrises deny any wrongdoing.

01:02:30.940 Oh, dear.

01:02:31.320 But the allegation is, is that he passed that information to the other Chris, who then passed it straight to China.

01:02:38.860 Straight to a guy called Kai Kui, probably butchering that pronunciation.

01:02:42.740 That's this Kui, Kai Kui, that guy in the middle. 0.88

01:02:46.780 And he's super, super high up in China.

01:02:50.340 Some describe him as that Winnie the Pooh fella's, his right-hand man.

01:02:55.420 Wow.

01:02:55.780 And this Berry guy who, what was he, works as a teacher in China.

01:03:00.580 He used to, was a much younger man.

01:03:02.460 Used to.

01:03:03.420 How does he have direct access to this guy to give him this information in the first place?

01:03:09.160 Well, it went through an intermediary, the other Chris.

01:03:11.840 But how he, yeah, how has he got access directly to sort of the top of the Chinese Politburo or the Chinese highest committee?

01:03:19.680 Yeah, I don't know.

01:03:20.340 I don't know.

01:03:21.160 No one knows.

01:03:21.660 That's bizarre.

01:03:22.560 That's the nature of like spy games, isn't it?

01:03:24.740 Normally there's some Chinese girlfriend involved in all of this, who tends to turn out to be a man somewhere down the line anyway.

01:03:33.280 So like, was it him?

01:03:36.620 In secret?

01:03:37.420 In makeup and a dress?

01:03:40.560 Well.

01:03:41.000 Austin Powers style?

01:03:44.520 Pardon me.

01:03:45.160 He is, most people agree, he's one of the most important men in the Chinese government.

01:03:50.480 In fact, he's the deputy director of the Central National Security Commission in China.

01:03:57.600 So he's one of the highest, highest people.

01:04:00.160 So if this Chris Cash did, if, which is still only alleged, nothing's been proven in court, if it is the case that he had access to sensitive information, which really did put our British security at risk or in peril in any way, and he passed it to a chap like that, then that is really bad.

01:04:20.900 I mean, if that's true, these two Chris's are absolute traitors.

01:04:25.000 That's really bad.

01:04:26.340 It's not just like a bit, a bit off.

01:04:28.680 Yeah, what was that?

01:04:29.540 A bit like, oh, that's a bit out of all, that's a bit scummy, but whatever.

01:04:32.780 No, no, it's really bad.

01:04:33.900 What was this Cash guy doing giving that information to some guy he just used to work with in the first place?

01:04:38.980 If he did it?

01:04:39.720 They both deny any wrongdoing?

01:04:40.940 If he did it.

01:04:42.520 Yeah, I know, right, yeah.

01:04:43.920 Yeah, I know.

01:04:45.300 Well, yeah.

01:04:46.460 Surely, like, you're working for the government with state secrets.

01:04:49.960 Surely you can keep them a secret.

01:04:53.040 Well, you're supposed to.

01:04:53.740 So the government, when they found this out, they wanted, well, they tried to get them charged.

01:04:59.260 The CPS, like anything else, the Crown Prosecution Service would be in charge of doing that.

01:05:02.980 They wanted to charge them under the Official Secrets Act of 1911.

01:05:07.500 In fact, there's been an update to it in 2024.

01:05:09.360 That's also a point to note.

01:05:12.780 But, yeah, charging them under the Official Secrets Act and sort of espionage laws and things for properly spying, for being a spyer for China against us.

01:05:23.900 So, okay, that's basically the first thing.

01:05:26.780 That's, like, what actually was alleged to have happened.

01:05:30.080 Now, okay, so building on that, the people like Tom Tugganhat and the other people, the other Tory MPs at the time that were involved, and lots of other people in and around the sphere, in and around the orbit of everything that happened.

01:05:44.820 A lot of those, all those people really are saying, this is a total slam dunk.

01:05:48.920 These two Chris's did it.

01:05:50.920 Like, there's not really, if it got to court, it would kind of be a slam dunk.

01:05:55.480 They're totally guilty.

01:05:56.860 And so, it's a travesty that the court case fell apart.

01:06:00.060 Well, that's the next thing to mention.

01:06:01.120 So, recently, in the last few weeks, the court case that was going ahead against them, they were charged a few months ago.

01:06:08.480 They were going to go to court.

01:06:10.000 And, of course, everything comes out in court, doesn't it?

01:06:11.900 So, reporters can go there and listen to everything that's being said.

01:06:16.640 And now, the case collapsed.

01:06:18.100 The CPS came out and said, we're not going to charge these guys.

01:06:22.920 It's basically the end of the story.

01:06:24.320 Any explanation given, or that's it?

01:06:27.860 This is where the real shitstorm begins.

01:06:30.140 Like, wait a minute, why are they?

01:06:32.600 Sorry, what?

01:06:33.440 What's going on there?

01:06:34.380 Everyone that is in the know says it's a slam dunk.

01:06:36.560 Because I've got so many questions about all of this.

01:06:40.040 Have these guys been on the Chinese payroll since they were in China years ago?

01:06:44.580 If so, how were they not caught before they were put onto this China research thing in their capacity?

01:06:51.340 Is it then, were there other people involved?

01:06:53.300 There's so many questions that we need answering, because somehow China got hold of this information.

01:06:58.360 If they are guilty of what they've been accused of, yeah, they would have been approached by the Chinese intelligence services at some point as younger men when they were in China.

01:07:07.400 And flipped.

01:07:09.180 If that is what happened.

01:07:10.780 Or just paid off.

01:07:12.760 Yeah, or just given money, maybe.

01:07:14.720 Yeah, perhaps they're not full-blown assets of the Chinese intelligence services, like double agents or anything.

01:07:19.160 They're just given money.

01:07:19.980 I don't know.

01:07:20.420 Who knows?

01:07:21.260 We might not ever know now.

01:07:23.300 Because the CPS are sort of, at this point anyway, I just refuse.

01:07:27.060 They say, we're not going to prosecute them.

01:07:30.680 And now, okay, so these are the two gentlemen in question here.

01:07:35.300 Are they just, they're not guilty of anything?

01:07:37.240 This is all just crazy anti-China nonsense.

01:07:39.780 And these are just poor innocent fellas. 1.00

01:07:41.720 Or are they actually quite bad traitors?

01:07:45.340 Who knows?

01:07:46.040 Okay, so, so the CPS, when they said we're going to, the case has collapsed, we're not going to.

01:07:53.980 Reporters and all sorts of other people, even the Tories, people like, the people involved, like Tom Twiggan, are like, wait, why?

01:08:01.100 Like, explain yourself, what's the problem?

01:08:02.660 So there's a number of things the CPS have said to sort of explain why they've come to that decision.

01:08:09.200 One of them is that they say the bar that needs to be reached before we will bring a prosecution.

01:08:16.080 Because just like a DA in the United States or the CPS, if they are not that confident that they'll get a win in court, they just don't go forward with it, right?

01:08:24.020 That's pretty normal.

01:08:24.940 Because it's just embarrassing to lose.

01:08:28.080 So you only really take it to court if you're, like, quite convinced or got a decent idea that you're going to win.

01:08:34.260 So anyway, they've got all sorts of criterion to make that decision.

01:08:37.660 And they say, we're not going to take it to court because the bar that needs to be reached is, we haven't reached that.

01:08:43.940 One example is that under the legislation that they'd be charged for, is that China is a threat to our national security or is a national enemy, an enemy of the state, right?

01:08:59.180 And now the British government, both past and present, has never designated China as an enemy of the state or a full-blown threat to national security.

01:09:09.460 Even though they are, and everyone knows they are, of course they are.

01:09:12.120 So that means they just allowed our state secrets to send them over WhatsApp, why don't they?

01:09:17.740 See what Dominic Cummings was saying.

01:09:19.280 Yeah, Dominic Cummings was very strong on this.

01:09:20.780 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:09:21.340 About the fact that China has pretty much access or had at some point access to everything that was being said, passed around between the cabinet.

01:09:29.160 Yeah.

01:09:29.780 Or within the cabinet office.

01:09:31.060 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:09:31.440 But basically the Chinese had hacked the secure system that Britain uses to pass some of the most classified information. 0.90

01:09:38.060 There is an argument about which level of classification has been hacked.

01:09:43.080 Yeah.

01:09:43.240 But apparently the extent to which the Chinese are spying on Britain is quite extensive.

01:09:47.720 Massive.

01:09:48.240 On a massive scale.

01:09:49.220 State policy.

01:09:50.160 I mean, every Chinese enterprise that's, I think, above nine people must have some kind of Communist Party cell within it.

01:09:58.000 So what I'm hearing is at Lotus Eaters, we've got at least one Chinese mole. 1.00

01:10:03.260 No, no, no.

01:10:04.060 If it's a Chinese company.

01:10:05.460 Oh, okay.

01:10:06.260 All right, all right.

01:10:06.460 We must have a Chinese Communist Party cell.

01:10:09.140 I was going to say, it's definitely.

01:10:09.980 In order to spy.

01:10:11.180 It's definitely Dan.

01:10:12.360 Why did we?

01:10:14.360 I mean, obviously.

01:10:16.420 Sorry.

01:10:16.900 It would have to be.

01:10:17.960 Sorry, Fred, go on.

01:10:18.920 You're making a serious point, sorry.

01:10:20.660 Samson, stop making that face.

01:10:22.380 If we were ever being spied on by the Japanese, I know who I would suspect. 1.00

01:10:32.140 The point is that China has pretty much fused its private sector and the state completely.

01:10:40.860 Meaning that it's part of the mandate of a big Chinese company to spy on behalf of the Chinese government.

01:10:46.780 Meaning that business transactions with China inherently carry a security risk.

01:10:53.680 Meaning that when these people say, we don't want to upset the Chinese because we might lose some investments.

01:10:58.060 These people are being absolute lunatics.

01:11:00.220 The objective of the Chinese is to sort of asset strip Britain and take whatever technology that Britain has and transfer it to China. 1.00

01:11:08.720 Like that's the business model of China.

01:11:10.700 There is a complete overlap between the private sector and the state.

01:11:15.140 And you're not allowed to be in the private sector and successful if you're not loyal to the Chinese state, including doing favors when asked.

01:11:24.420 Like make a court case collapse that shows that we're definitely spying on you, for example.

01:11:29.840 For example.

01:11:30.580 Yeah.

01:11:31.380 So quick thing to say about this designation of whether they're a threat to national security or an enemy of the state, that sort of thing.

01:11:38.240 Which needs to be shown, would need to be shown in court for a successful prosecution.

01:11:43.720 Our government, under Rishi and up to today and before even, would be very, very careful when asked to not say that about China.

01:11:52.880 Instead, they'll say something like, they're a strategic challenge.

01:11:58.440 So it's all sort of legalese.

01:11:59.620 It's all lawyering, politician stuff saying just the right word.

01:12:04.100 Right.

01:12:04.680 We'll just call them a strategic challenge.

01:12:06.700 We won't call them an enemy of the state or a direct threat to national security.

01:12:11.680 Okay.

01:12:11.880 So that's a strategic problem.

01:12:12.700 However, on top of that, past and present leaders of MI5, MI6 and GCHQ and loads of other people in the know, senior politicians and things, all say, yeah, no, no.

01:12:24.540 But the Chinese are definitely committing espionage against us on a giant scale, on a giant scale. 0.98

01:12:31.220 So the whole Chinese embassy is meant to sit above some pretty sensitive communications cables.

01:12:35.820 There's that as well.

01:12:37.200 And Starmer approved it.

01:12:39.260 And Starmer approved it.

01:12:40.400 It's been put on ice recently again, but still.

01:12:42.460 Because the Americans kicked up a fuss.

01:12:44.300 Yeah.

01:12:44.460 The idea being that they want to spy on Britain more thoroughly.

01:12:50.140 And these guys under Starmer are completely happy to sell the country to the Chinese. 1.00

01:12:56.600 If it means that it gets another point of GDP that lets them argue for their re-election a little more effectively.

01:13:05.320 So these guys, I mean, the extent to which the political class in Britain is completely hostile to accepting that there are threats, foreign and domestic, is mind-boggling.

01:13:20.000 We are in a cold war with China. 0.80

01:13:22.260 Yes.

01:13:22.740 The whole West.

01:13:23.840 Yes, obviously.

01:13:24.840 It was absolutely...

01:13:26.240 And if you look at Chinese military preparedness, which is going to be my topic for Monday's RealPolitik,

01:13:34.040 or one of the topics for Monday's RealPolitik,

01:13:36.360 they are getting ready for a pretty massive war.

01:13:41.360 And they are building everything that they need to build.

01:13:44.060 And they are planning to cut off themselves from the West if the need arises. 0.58

01:13:50.220 So these guys are simply comatose at the wheel.

01:13:54.100 They're not asleep at the wheel.

01:13:55.240 They're comatose at the wheel.

01:13:56.740 They have no idea what they're doing.

01:13:58.280 And this applies to the Tories as much as it applies to labor.

01:14:00.580 These people are willing to sell anything and everything to China or India if it means that they get some money afterwards when they leave politics,

01:14:10.820 or if it means that there's another point of GDP growth that they can argue is good for them.

01:14:17.320 Yeah.

01:14:17.400 Yeah, no, absolutely.

01:14:20.320 Because, yeah, I mean, the point is, is that we, exports and imports, do something on the order of 90 billion pounds worth of trade with China every year.

01:14:29.920 So, to them, that's not, it's not like a game-breaking amount of money, but to us, that's a big deal.

01:14:36.120 Yes.

01:14:36.620 90 billion a year.

01:14:38.540 Yeah.

01:14:39.020 So, the fact that we're in a Cold War with them and they're doing espionage, industrial and sort of political espionage against us on a giant scale,

01:14:47.020 but also a really, really pivotal trading partner.

01:14:50.480 It's funny, it's even during like World War II and stuff, you have enemies still trading steel and buying each other's debt and stuff.

01:14:58.440 It's funny the way the world works like that.

01:15:00.440 You can be an absolute enemy and also a key partner at the same time.

01:15:05.260 Because international capital is inherently disloyal and treasonous.

01:15:10.580 Yeah.

01:15:11.360 The current MI5, the head of MI5, he said that China was carrying out, quote, large-scale espionage.

01:15:19.980 And it was, they are the biggest state-based threat to the country's economic security.

01:15:24.420 When it comes to China, the UK needs to defend itself resolutely against threats. 0.96

01:15:29.240 That's the current head of MI5 saying that.

01:15:31.760 So, they couldn't find a way.

01:15:36.840 Says, nothing we can do, chief.

01:15:38.460 Yeah, here's the thing about the CPS.

01:15:40.580 The CPS argued to parliament, I believe, that they'd gotten to 95% of the level of proof needed to carry the case through, through the witnesses that they had.

01:15:52.240 And so, the question for parliamentarians was, why didn't you get other witnesses from outside government to get you past that 5%?

01:15:58.740 And there was some kind of mealy-mouthed response.

01:16:02.120 Yeah.

01:16:02.380 Which, when you remember that this is the same Hermer running the CPS, or responsible for it as attorney general,

01:16:12.120 this is the guy who supported the sale of the Chagos Islands, or the sale, paying Mauritius to take the Chagos Islands.

01:16:22.040 So, the level of infiltration, I mean, what this suggests is that there is something to be investigated here about the level of infiltration.

01:16:31.520 Absolutely.

01:16:31.780 I'll just get back to that, because I want to sort of finish on that note.

01:16:34.560 One other quick couple of things to say, just about sort of ramming home the point that China is a threat.

01:16:41.540 Yes.

01:16:41.760 I mean, one thing Cole said in the office, when he just asked me what I'm doing today on the podcast, and what my take is, really, and I told him, like, what Starmer's doing.

01:16:50.720 And he just sort of said, okay, well, why is that, though?

01:16:52.780 And it's like, yeah, I mean, great question.

01:16:54.980 Why?

01:16:55.280 Why is that?

01:16:56.020 Why did Starmer give away the Chagos Islands?

01:16:57.960 Why has he, it seems, collapsed the case against Chinese spies?

01:17:02.220 Why, though?

01:17:02.740 Well, you can only really infer, if that is the case, all of this is alleged to, if that is the case, yeah, why?

01:17:08.640 You can only really infer that he's in their pocket.

01:17:12.500 He's their puppet in some way.

01:17:14.360 But just one last thing here.

01:17:15.740 Communists all together?

01:17:17.880 The ex, a guy called Sir Richard Dearlove, Dickie Dearlove, was the head of MI6.

01:17:24.520 He was C at MI6, Control, MI6, the head of MI6, from 1999 to, like, 2004-odd.

01:17:32.460 So he's literally been the head of MI6, so he should know.

01:17:36.200 Let's listen to, like, a minute or two of this interview.

01:17:39.600 Well, more now on that story that refuses to go away, the China spy case.

01:17:42.940 After the release of those witness statements last night, they included warnings to prosecutors about the threat posed by Beijing.

01:17:49.940 So let's discuss what that threat is.

01:17:52.600 Joining me now is the former MI6 chief, Sir Richard Dearlove.

01:17:56.160 Sir Richard, it's good to see you.

01:17:58.280 Good morning, yeah.

01:17:58.960 Should governments, whether Labour or Tory, be nervous of China's intentions?

01:18:06.480 Of course they should.

01:18:08.260 I mean, it seems to me that this is a statement of common sense, a statement of the obvious.

01:18:13.840 We have a lot of evidence of hostile Chinese activity towards the UK and towards other countries.

01:18:23.200 And it's not a complicated issue.

01:18:27.400 There must be frustration in the security services that proceedings were not brought against these two men, both of whom deny the charges,

01:18:38.280 especially when you hear in these now released statements from Matthew Collins that China also presents the biggest state-based threat to the UK's economic security.

01:18:47.680 When you hear that, what do you think about the Director of Public Prosecution's decision not to proceed?

01:18:54.840 I honestly can't understand it.

01:18:56.980 And now that I've seen the witness statements which were released last night, it doesn't explain anything.

01:19:03.360 It doesn't explain how this case was dropped.

01:19:07.200 There seems to me to be enough in the witness statements, despite the modification that was added.

01:19:14.160 And I wonder why that was added.

01:19:16.100 And anyway, you know, in a court case like this, isn't it the jury that ultimately decides on the basis of the evidence?

01:19:25.840 And the evidence, depending on what other witnesses could have been called in the case, would have been, I think, very, very strong indeed.

01:19:34.540 Okay, so if anyone really knows, like, the level of threat that China poses to the UK, it's someone that used to be the head of MI6.

01:19:48.260 You'd assume so.

01:19:49.440 Right. And he's, as we just heard, it's just like, yeah, common sense, of course.

01:19:53.080 Yes, obviously. Yes, yes, yes.

01:19:54.980 Now, I did mention, and this is the sort of the latest development over the last couple of days or day or so, you did mention these witness statements.

01:20:01.880 So the government tried to get out ahead of it, because where people have said, the CPS was sort of told, asked for evidence from the government in order to convict these guys.

01:20:12.100 And the government, one way or another, whether it was the Treasury or the Home Office or whatever, parliamentary committees, the government just said no.

01:20:19.960 So the CPS said, well, well, we can't prosecute, well, we won't prosecute them then because we won't win.

01:20:24.780 And so then the next question is, wait, who said no?

01:20:27.080 Who was it? Was it Starmer? Was it one of the men immediately around him?

01:20:29.800 Who was it who said no to that?

01:20:32.280 I think you're missing, sorry, there's, here's how I would think about it.

01:20:37.560 Here's how I would think about it.

01:20:38.700 They asked the question deliberately to get a vague response so that ultimate responsibility for the decision would be diffused and diluted.

01:20:50.860 You play this kind of administrative game.

01:20:53.100 Obviously, if they wanted, they could have summoned this guy to testify that China is a threat and say, I'm, you know, here's the ex-head of MI6 and he's saying the bloody obvious that it's an enormous threat.

01:21:08.640 So there was a solution there.

01:21:10.580 The reason that they asked and got a non-answer was, in my view, a game that was deliberately engineered so that you couldn't pinpoint it on a single individual.

01:21:22.040 Oh, absolutely. Absolutely.

01:21:23.260 There's a lot of kicking the ball around.

01:21:25.620 Yeah, absolutely.

01:21:26.300 Like one of the things Starmer said is, this all happened under the Tory rule.

01:21:30.400 It's all their fault, their mistake.

01:21:31.600 The legislation that these guys, these two Chrissies would be prosecuted under is old Tory legislation.

01:21:36.860 It's all the Tory's fault.

01:21:38.760 But you're exactly right also, that other thing of who sat down with who at some point, whether it was over lunch, whether it was over drinks at their club, and said, this is how we're going to manipulate the situation where we'll say this, you then say that, and we'll respond with this, and it will look like no one's done anything wrong.

01:21:58.940 So the obfuscation is a deliberate policy.

01:22:02.100 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:22:03.040 And the division of roles in order to create the obfuscation is a deliberate policy, and the confusion is intentional.

01:22:11.940 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:22:12.660 That's my argument.

01:22:13.440 That's what I think.

01:22:14.120 You're probably almost certainly right.

01:22:15.320 I would have thought.

01:22:16.040 I absolutely would have thought.

01:22:17.240 But then the question is, if that did happen, which may well have happened, like who was doing that, though?

01:22:21.760 Let's get some names.

01:22:22.740 Who was it?

01:22:23.140 Well, we still don't know that at this point.

01:22:24.400 There is one guy, one of the National Security Advisors, called Matthew Collins.

01:22:29.260 He was one of these key witnesses, as Dear Love was just talking about there on the clip we just watched.

01:22:34.700 And he was involved in it at the time.

01:22:37.740 And so some of the things he said, a quote from him in one of his reports, it says,

01:22:43.160 It is important to emphasize that the UK government is committed to pursuing a positive relationship with China.

01:22:48.940 We will cooperate where we can, compete where we need to, and challenge where we must.

01:22:55.840 It's pretty weak, pretty weak source.

01:22:58.860 But then he also said that China poses a threat to our people, prosperity and security.

01:23:06.400 He also described various ways in which the government believes it has been hacked by Chinese state actors.

01:23:11.040 And he talks of active espionage threats posed by China in the UK, identifying specific activities that had been carried out.

01:23:19.680 So in Starmer's government, it seems pretty clear that although they appreciate and recognize that China is absolutely a threat to us, 0.98

01:23:29.360 they also want to try and keep them on side and try and keep them sweet because they're pursuing a positive relationship.

01:23:37.060 I know Kemi Badenoch has come out and said things like, 0.76

01:23:38.840 The Prime Minister wants to suck up to Beijing.

01:23:41.060 She also said that he's too weak to stand up to Beijing on a crucial matter of national security.

01:23:46.960 She also said,

01:23:47.760 Events leave a strong impression that your government undermines Britain's national security because you are too weak to do anything other than appease China. 0.80

01:23:56.920 And I think if the CPS and the government acting in this coordinated way, in my view, means that somebody higher up decided the coordination.

01:24:07.760 It kind of must have been, yeah.

01:24:08.880 It must have been.

01:24:09.380 It kind of must have been.

01:24:10.600 So either the actual civil servants who run the country or Starmer and co.

01:24:17.040 Making that decision.

01:24:18.580 This is assuming the two crises are in fact guilty.

01:24:21.900 Assuming they're guilty.

01:24:22.580 They might not be.

01:24:24.100 They, you know, who knows.

01:24:26.300 This all could just be Chinese, anti-Chinese propaganda.

01:24:31.100 Yes.

01:24:32.020 Clearly.

01:24:32.320 Which is what the Chinese are saying.

01:24:33.720 That's their line.

01:24:34.760 Obviously.

01:24:35.020 Obviously it would be.

01:24:36.380 Okay.

01:24:36.860 So, I mean, this is still an ongoing thing.

01:24:38.160 I'm sure this story actually won't go away anytime soon.

01:24:41.080 So if and when there are more sort of significant developments, I shall bring them to you again.

01:24:46.520 Wonderful.

01:24:47.020 Samson, do we have any video comments for today?

01:24:50.540 If so, while you get them up, I'll go through some of these written super chats.

01:24:55.880 Hapsification is why we need to incentivize by every means necessary to re-industrialize Britain as quickly as possible. 1.00

01:25:02.460 Hell, I don't care if we steal Chinese technology and IPs to help us out. 0.97

01:25:05.360 They do it to us.

01:25:06.620 Absolutely.

01:25:07.080 Yeah, outsourcing and offshoring, manufacturing and industry over to foreign countries, particularly China.

01:25:14.020 One of the stupidest ideas.

01:25:16.100 Suicidal.

01:25:16.540 There is a quote from, I think, an ex-MI5 head who said, and the quote is, it's on an epic scale.

01:25:22.900 Yeah.

01:25:23.140 That was his line.

01:25:24.400 Literally what he said.

01:25:26.180 Sigil Stone 17, I know how to get rid of Chinese spies. 1.00

01:25:29.140 Repeat after me.

01:25:29.820 Tiananmen Square protest.

01:25:30.960 Free Tibet.

01:25:31.480 Great leap forward.

01:25:32.220 Anti-rightish struggle.

01:25:33.280 Human rights.

01:25:33.880 Multi-party system.

01:25:35.060 Falun Gong.

01:25:35.820 Liu Xiaobo.

01:25:38.060 One Tall Order says, I think we should strategically challenge the Three Gorges Dam with a massive ordnance penetrator.

01:25:45.900 Based.

01:25:46.540 Sigil Stone, again, relating to Firaz's segment.

01:25:50.400 To explain in football terms, you'll understand Tel Aviv fans are as bad as Oakland Raiders fans.

01:25:54.620 Does that make sense to you?

01:25:55.700 Yeah, Oakland Raiders will riot, like sometimes even if they win.

01:25:59.740 They riot when they win.

01:26:00.580 They're finished with that.

01:26:01.340 They riot when they win.

01:26:02.460 Ah, they're that type.

01:26:03.580 Okay.

01:26:04.280 And on YouTube, Miso Trashed says, could have saved a lot of money if the research was just outsourced to China in the first place.

01:26:11.040 Good point.

01:26:11.820 Yeah, same results, ultimately.

01:26:13.580 So do we not have any video comments, Samson?

01:26:17.240 Yeah.

01:26:18.340 We do.

01:26:18.760 Thank you for the confusion.

01:26:24.040 Right, we'll go through some of the website comments then.

01:26:26.200 Kevin Fox says, Starmer has said that Britain is working with investors to rebuild Gaza.

01:26:31.200 I guess we can expect to see Larry Fink wandering into number 10 any day now.

01:26:35.120 Another meeting Lewis won't be able to get the minutes of.

01:26:37.820 Not that he'll get any freedom of information requests met after his latest attempt to find info about NGOs working with the government and migrants.

01:26:44.640 Requests refused based on his social media history is their best denial yet.

01:26:49.300 Actually, that's a pretty big deal.

01:26:51.160 That's a really big deal what happened with Lewis.

01:26:53.080 The government would decide that because you're a high profile right winger, we don't want to apply the Freedom Information Act in your case.

01:27:03.440 You're hostile to us.

01:27:04.520 Exactly.

01:27:04.800 It's a complete piss take.

01:27:06.660 Completely.

01:27:07.300 Completely.

01:27:08.980 Freedom of information if you're a friend.

01:27:12.280 Right.

01:27:12.760 Yeah.

01:27:13.580 Yeah.

01:27:14.040 Simple as that, isn't it, really?

01:27:15.180 Yep.

01:27:15.340 Uh, Cullum Sloan, Trump seems to be a firm believer in the rule of acquisition number 35, peace is good for business, as opposed to every other established politician who follows rule number 34, war is good for business.

01:27:26.860 Yeah, they do kind of contradict a bit, but they are both correct at the same time.

01:27:31.600 Henry Ashman is their value in going after Qataris, who are protecting the Hamas leadership, I'm sure asset seizures and arrest warrants in the US and Europe for their royal family until they hand over their leaders, might do the trick. 0.94

01:27:42.780 Take that or threats to reform West Africa's squadron and send them over to Qatar.

01:27:48.040 I, I would say let the, Trump made a mistake when he didn't let the Saudis invade Qatar in 2017.

01:27:56.420 Um, would you like to read some of your own segment?

01:27:58.840 Yeah, sure.

01:28:00.300 Um, Birmingham play, makes playing Silent Hill feel like a lovely strolls through the park.

01:28:05.820 Ah.

01:28:06.220 At least in Silent Hill, you don't have to look at the people around you.

01:28:09.560 Yeah.

01:28:09.700 Uh, Michael Drebibis, not surprisingly, Firas hits straight to the point.

01:28:14.380 Thank you.

01:28:15.180 Westerners are too sheltered and cannot comprehend the blood hatred in the outside world. 0.60

01:28:18.660 Yes.

01:28:19.340 It's been 40 years since I studied Islam in the Middle East, and I'm still shocked how few people truly understand this.

01:28:24.620 Yeah, man.

01:28:25.300 This, um, preach it.

01:28:27.640 Uh, Kevin Fox says, Birmingham is, is multicultural.

01:28:31.020 They have Pakistanis, Bangladeshis, Africans, Indians.

01:28:33.980 Just because they don't have any British doesn't mean it's not multicultural.

01:28:36.620 It's just no longer British. 0.97

01:28:39.120 Yeah.

01:28:39.340 Yep.

01:28:39.560 Pretty much.

01:28:41.060 Uh, Omar Awad says, as much as I hate, uh, non-European countries participating in the Euro-themed event, 0.95

01:28:48.660 have you seen European teams lately?

01:28:50.660 The European game stopped being representative of European peoples years ago.

01:28:54.840 Yeah, I saw the picture of the Aston Villa team, and I thought, what?

01:29:00.960 Yeah.

01:29:01.300 Yep.

01:29:02.600 Yeah, but, but, but remember, it's all for the sake of meritocracy.

01:29:06.920 Mm.

01:29:07.840 Because white ball, white boys can't kick balls good. 0.99

01:29:12.280 That just how, be, that just be how it is.

01:29:14.900 Would you like to read some of yours, or do you want me to read some of yours?

01:29:17.420 Uh, yeah, sure, uh, uh, my segment, let's see what.

01:29:20.780 Okay, Kevin Fox says, and that's not to mention the Chinese secret police station scattered across the UK.

01:29:26.060 Yep.

01:29:27.000 Yeah, I wasn't aware of this.

01:29:28.380 Oh, yeah.

01:29:28.900 Bit of a thing.

01:29:29.380 Oh, okay, I'll have to look into that.

01:29:31.240 Ari Schlossberg says, I feel like in between the lines, CPS isn't proceeding because whatever information traded hands is something the government doesn't want the public to see.

01:29:41.060 Yeah, well, yeah.

01:29:41.760 Yeah, of course, yeah.

01:29:42.380 Quite possibly, don't they?

01:29:43.540 If the, if the two Chris's went to court, I'm sure, well, I would imagine, it's going to be really embarrassing both for China and us.

01:29:52.140 Yes.

01:29:52.440 It would be embarrassing for our establishment as well as the CCP, I imagine.

01:29:59.160 Yeah.

01:29:59.320 But, I mean, who knows?

01:30:01.860 Uh, and on EMI says, uh, for the mega embassy, if China adds LED lights to it, uh, they would get more support from Western, uh, Twitter, even if the basement holds a prison like their other embassies.

01:30:15.180 Yep.

01:30:15.340 That is true.

01:30:16.560 It's interesting that, so just a quick thing to say, because I didn't really mention it in the segment, this, this, uh, mega embassy they want to build in the middle of London.

01:30:22.500 And you, you touched on it.

01:30:23.920 Yes.

01:30:24.080 Um, it's like the, the project Venona thing, where you literally dig under your embassy and tap it, that signals intelligence, tap into quite literally the, what I suppose nowadays it would be fiber optics or something.

01:30:36.740 You tap into that and you get to hear everything that we're talking about.

01:30:40.800 Pretty much.

01:30:41.000 So it's like, well, if you, if China, if you want a massive embassy, you can have it, but it's got to be in like rural Hampshire or something.

01:30:47.300 Not right in the middle of like the city of London, the city of Westminster.

01:30:51.740 Don't hoist that on rural Hampshire.

01:30:53.720 Oh yeah.

01:30:54.020 Poor Hampshire.

01:30:54.820 I didn't mean that.

01:30:55.460 Yeah.

01:30:55.980 Forgive me.

01:30:57.340 Yeah.

01:30:57.620 Yeah.

01:30:57.960 China, you can have a massive, uh, uh, mega embassy, but it's got to be on a windswept rock off the west coast of, of, uh, Scotland.

01:31:06.340 Um, okay.

01:31:07.680 And, uh, with that, that's all the time we've got for today.

01:31:10.720 Thank you everybody for watching.

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01:31:17.360 Uh, give it a look in.

01:31:18.420 I think it would be very worthwhile.

01:31:19.700 Uh, thank you for us for joining us and for our website subscribers.

01:31:23.800 We're doing Lads Hour in about half an hour.

01:31:26.140 I think we're playing based Monopoly that, oh, Swindon Monopoly as designed by Dan.

01:31:35.260 So should, should be fun.

01:31:38.160 Should be fun.

01:31:38.940 I don't expect to make much money from it.

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The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - October 17, 2025

The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1276

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