Beau and Firas talk about the shaky peace deal between Israel and Gaza, and why they think it s already crumbling. They also talk about why they don t like the idea of Birmingham being a 'no go zone' in the Middle East, and whether the Chinese are spying on you.
00:58:53.160So, like, because in my experience, the Liverpool fans among football fans in England are uniquely awful.
00:58:59.800And they also seem to find your tweets.
00:59:02.120If you're ever proud of being English, you can be guaranteed that there'll be a dogpile of Scouse fans in your replies telling you that you should go and do bad things to yourself.
01:03:45.160He is, most people agree, he's one of the most important men in the Chinese government.
01:03:50.480In fact, he's the deputy director of the Central National Security Commission in China.
01:03:57.600So he's one of the highest, highest people.
01:04:00.160So if this Chris Cash did, if, which is still only alleged, nothing's been proven in court, if it is the case that he had access to sensitive information, which really did put our British security at risk or in peril in any way, and he passed it to a chap like that, then that is really bad.
01:04:20.900I mean, if that's true, these two Chris's are absolute traitors.
01:05:12.780But, yeah, charging them under the Official Secrets Act and sort of espionage laws and things for properly spying, for being a spyer for China against us.
01:05:23.900So, okay, that's basically the first thing.
01:05:26.780That's, like, what actually was alleged to have happened.
01:05:30.080Now, okay, so building on that, the people like Tom Tugganhat and the other people, the other Tory MPs at the time that were involved, and lots of other people in and around the sphere, in and around the orbit of everything that happened.
01:05:44.820A lot of those, all those people really are saying, this is a total slam dunk.
01:06:34.380Everyone that is in the know says it's a slam dunk.
01:06:36.560Because I've got so many questions about all of this.
01:06:40.040Have these guys been on the Chinese payroll since they were in China years ago?
01:06:44.580If so, how were they not caught before they were put onto this China research thing in their capacity?
01:06:51.340Is it then, were there other people involved?
01:06:53.300There's so many questions that we need answering, because somehow China got hold of this information.
01:06:58.360If they are guilty of what they've been accused of, yeah, they would have been approached by the Chinese intelligence services at some point as younger men when they were in China.
01:07:46.040Okay, so, so the CPS, when they said we're going to, the case has collapsed, we're not going to.
01:07:53.980Reporters and all sorts of other people, even the Tories, people like, the people involved, like Tom Twiggan, are like, wait, why?
01:08:01.100Like, explain yourself, what's the problem?
01:08:02.660So there's a number of things the CPS have said to sort of explain why they've come to that decision.
01:08:09.200One of them is that they say the bar that needs to be reached before we will bring a prosecution.
01:08:16.080Because just like a DA in the United States or the CPS, if they are not that confident that they'll get a win in court, they just don't go forward with it, right?
01:08:24.940Because it's just embarrassing to lose.
01:08:28.080So you only really take it to court if you're, like, quite convinced or got a decent idea that you're going to win.
01:08:34.260So anyway, they've got all sorts of criterion to make that decision.
01:08:37.660And they say, we're not going to take it to court because the bar that needs to be reached is, we haven't reached that.
01:08:43.940One example is that under the legislation that they'd be charged for, is that China is a threat to our national security or is a national enemy, an enemy of the state, right?
01:08:59.180And now the British government, both past and present, has never designated China as an enemy of the state or a full-blown threat to national security.
01:09:09.460Even though they are, and everyone knows they are, of course they are.
01:09:12.120So that means they just allowed our state secrets to send them over WhatsApp, why don't they?
01:09:21.340About the fact that China has pretty much access or had at some point access to everything that was being said, passed around between the cabinet.
01:10:22.380If we were ever being spied on by the Japanese, I know who I would suspect.
01:10:32.140The point is that China has pretty much fused its private sector and the state completely.
01:10:40.860Meaning that it's part of the mandate of a big Chinese company to spy on behalf of the Chinese government.
01:10:46.780Meaning that business transactions with China inherently carry a security risk.
01:10:53.680Meaning that when these people say, we don't want to upset the Chinese because we might lose some investments.
01:10:58.060These people are being absolute lunatics.
01:11:00.220The objective of the Chinese is to sort of asset strip Britain and take whatever technology that Britain has and transfer it to China.
01:11:08.720Like that's the business model of China.
01:11:10.700There is a complete overlap between the private sector and the state.
01:11:15.140And you're not allowed to be in the private sector and successful if you're not loyal to the Chinese state, including doing favors when asked.
01:11:24.420Like make a court case collapse that shows that we're definitely spying on you, for example.
01:11:31.380So quick thing to say about this designation of whether they're a threat to national security or an enemy of the state, that sort of thing.
01:11:38.240Which needs to be shown, would need to be shown in court for a successful prosecution.
01:11:43.720Our government, under Rishi and up to today and before even, would be very, very careful when asked to not say that about China.
01:11:52.880Instead, they'll say something like, they're a strategic challenge.
01:12:12.700However, on top of that, past and present leaders of MI5, MI6 and GCHQ and loads of other people in the know, senior politicians and things, all say, yeah, no, no.
01:12:24.540But the Chinese are definitely committing espionage against us on a giant scale, on a giant scale.
01:12:31.220So the whole Chinese embassy is meant to sit above some pretty sensitive communications cables.
01:12:44.460The idea being that they want to spy on Britain more thoroughly.
01:12:50.140And these guys under Starmer are completely happy to sell the country to the Chinese.
01:12:56.600If it means that it gets another point of GDP that lets them argue for their re-election a little more effectively.
01:13:05.320So these guys, I mean, the extent to which the political class in Britain is completely hostile to accepting that there are threats, foreign and domestic, is mind-boggling.
01:13:58.280And this applies to the Tories as much as it applies to labor.
01:14:00.580These people are willing to sell anything and everything to China or India if it means that they get some money afterwards when they leave politics,
01:14:10.820or if it means that there's another point of GDP growth that they can argue is good for them.
01:14:20.320Because, yeah, I mean, the point is, is that we, exports and imports, do something on the order of 90 billion pounds worth of trade with China every year.
01:14:29.920So, to them, that's not, it's not like a game-breaking amount of money, but to us, that's a big deal.
01:14:39.020So, the fact that we're in a Cold War with them and they're doing espionage, industrial and sort of political espionage against us on a giant scale,
01:14:47.020but also a really, really pivotal trading partner.
01:14:50.480It's funny, it's even during like World War II and stuff, you have enemies still trading steel and buying each other's debt and stuff.
01:14:58.440It's funny the way the world works like that.
01:15:00.440You can be an absolute enemy and also a key partner at the same time.
01:15:05.260Because international capital is inherently disloyal and treasonous.
01:15:40.580The CPS argued to parliament, I believe, that they'd gotten to 95% of the level of proof needed to carry the case through, through the witnesses that they had.
01:15:52.240And so, the question for parliamentarians was, why didn't you get other witnesses from outside government to get you past that 5%?
01:15:58.740And there was some kind of mealy-mouthed response.
01:16:02.380Which, when you remember that this is the same Hermer running the CPS, or responsible for it as attorney general,
01:16:12.120this is the guy who supported the sale of the Chagos Islands, or the sale, paying Mauritius to take the Chagos Islands.
01:16:22.040So, the level of infiltration, I mean, what this suggests is that there is something to be investigated here about the level of infiltration.
01:16:41.760I mean, one thing Cole said in the office, when he just asked me what I'm doing today on the podcast, and what my take is, really, and I told him, like, what Starmer's doing.
01:16:50.720And he just sort of said, okay, well, why is that, though?
01:16:52.780And it's like, yeah, I mean, great question.
01:18:27.400There must be frustration in the security services that proceedings were not brought against these two men, both of whom deny the charges,
01:18:38.280especially when you hear in these now released statements from Matthew Collins that China also presents the biggest state-based threat to the UK's economic security.
01:18:47.680When you hear that, what do you think about the Director of Public Prosecution's decision not to proceed?
01:19:16.100And anyway, you know, in a court case like this, isn't it the jury that ultimately decides on the basis of the evidence?
01:19:25.840And the evidence, depending on what other witnesses could have been called in the case, would have been, I think, very, very strong indeed.
01:19:34.540Okay, so if anyone really knows, like, the level of threat that China poses to the UK, it's someone that used to be the head of MI6.
01:19:54.980Now, I did mention, and this is the sort of the latest development over the last couple of days or day or so, you did mention these witness statements.
01:20:01.880So the government tried to get out ahead of it, because where people have said, the CPS was sort of told, asked for evidence from the government in order to convict these guys.
01:20:12.100And the government, one way or another, whether it was the Treasury or the Home Office or whatever, parliamentary committees, the government just said no.
01:20:19.960So the CPS said, well, well, we can't prosecute, well, we won't prosecute them then because we won't win.
01:20:24.780And so then the next question is, wait, who said no?
01:20:27.080Who was it? Was it Starmer? Was it one of the men immediately around him?
01:20:38.700They asked the question deliberately to get a vague response so that ultimate responsibility for the decision would be diffused and diluted.
01:20:50.860You play this kind of administrative game.
01:20:53.100Obviously, if they wanted, they could have summoned this guy to testify that China is a threat and say, I'm, you know, here's the ex-head of MI6 and he's saying the bloody obvious that it's an enormous threat.
01:21:10.580The reason that they asked and got a non-answer was, in my view, a game that was deliberately engineered so that you couldn't pinpoint it on a single individual.
01:21:38.760But you're exactly right also, that other thing of who sat down with who at some point, whether it was over lunch, whether it was over drinks at their club, and said, this is how we're going to manipulate the situation where we'll say this, you then say that, and we'll respond with this, and it will look like no one's done anything wrong.
01:21:58.940So the obfuscation is a deliberate policy.
01:23:47.760Events leave a strong impression that your government undermines Britain's national security because you are too weak to do anything other than appease China.
01:23:56.920And I think if the CPS and the government acting in this coordinated way, in my view, means that somebody higher up decided the coordination.
01:26:24.040Right, we'll go through some of the website comments then.
01:26:26.200Kevin Fox says, Starmer has said that Britain is working with investors to rebuild Gaza.
01:26:31.200I guess we can expect to see Larry Fink wandering into number 10 any day now.
01:26:35.120Another meeting Lewis won't be able to get the minutes of.
01:26:37.820Not that he'll get any freedom of information requests met after his latest attempt to find info about NGOs working with the government and migrants.
01:26:44.640Requests refused based on his social media history is their best denial yet.
01:26:51.160That's a really big deal what happened with Lewis.
01:26:53.080The government would decide that because you're a high profile right winger, we don't want to apply the Freedom Information Act in your case.
01:27:15.340Uh, Cullum Sloan, Trump seems to be a firm believer in the rule of acquisition number 35, peace is good for business, as opposed to every other established politician who follows rule number 34, war is good for business.
01:27:26.860Yeah, they do kind of contradict a bit, but they are both correct at the same time.
01:27:31.600Henry Ashman is their value in going after Qataris, who are protecting the Hamas leadership, I'm sure asset seizures and arrest warrants in the US and Europe for their royal family until they hand over their leaders, might do the trick.
01:27:42.780Take that or threats to reform West Africa's squadron and send them over to Qatar.
01:27:48.040I, I would say let the, Trump made a mistake when he didn't let the Saudis invade Qatar in 2017.
01:27:56.420Um, would you like to read some of your own segment?
01:29:29.380Oh, okay, I'll have to look into that.
01:29:31.240Ari Schlossberg says, I feel like in between the lines, CPS isn't proceeding because whatever information traded hands is something the government doesn't want the public to see.
01:30:01.860Uh, and on EMI says, uh, for the mega embassy, if China adds LED lights to it, uh, they would get more support from Western, uh, Twitter, even if the basement holds a prison like their other embassies.
01:30:16.560It's interesting that, so just a quick thing to say, because I didn't really mention it in the segment, this, this, uh, mega embassy they want to build in the middle of London.
01:30:24.080Um, it's like the, the project Venona thing, where you literally dig under your embassy and tap it, that signals intelligence, tap into quite literally the, what I suppose nowadays it would be fiber optics or something.
01:30:36.740You tap into that and you get to hear everything that we're talking about.
01:30:41.000So it's like, well, if you, if China, if you want a massive embassy, you can have it, but it's got to be in like rural Hampshire or something.
01:30:47.300Not right in the middle of like the city of London, the city of Westminster.