The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1285
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Summary
In Episode 1285 of Lotus Eater, we talk about leaving the European Convention on Human Rights (ECHR) and how that would work practically, and how the internet is making things worse in the USA. We also talk about the divisions within New York politics, and the impact of the internet on our daily lives.
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Hello and welcome to the podcast of Lotus Eater's episode 1285. I'm your host Harry,
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joined today by regular guest Firas and this man we found on the street outside. He was
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wearing a suit so we thought why not. If you could give me some spare change, very nice.
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I think his name is Joe. Joseph. That's about right. Yes. Close enough.
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And today we're going to be talking about leaving the ECHR, how that would work practically.
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We're going to be talking about the divisions within New York politics and how the internet
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is getting worse. Before we get into that though, I've got a few things to say. First of all,
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immediately before the stream even started, Century Bro on YouTube sent into a $200 super chat with no
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message attached, just sent in the money. So thank you very much Century Bro. That's very generous and
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kind of you. Also, we do have the six o'clock webinar with Stelios and Luca later on today.
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This is going to be the last of the webinars that Stelios is conducting regarding this.
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So if you want to speak to him about the Ancient Greek Virtue Ethics course and ask any questions,
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clarify anything, this will be your last chance to do so. And I'm also again happy to say that later
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on today at three o'clock, so that's before the webinar, Samson and I will be kicking off our
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journey to the East show with a special Halloween Silent Hill episode. Now the rest of the series will
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be premium, but this will be a freemium video. So even if you don't have access to the premium
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content on the website through a subscription, you will be able to watch this discussion.
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I've put a lot of work into it. Samson's put a lot of work into it. So I hope you all enjoy it.
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Thank you very much. So the topic of conversation in Britain today is about leaving the ECHR.
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Nigel Farage, the leader of the Reform Party, tried to submit a bill to do that. He was endlessly
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heckled by the midwits and the fatties of the Liberal Democrats who called him things like Putin's pet
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and thought that they were incredibly funny and brilliant and accused him of trying to remove
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British people's rights and so on and so forth. All of that isn't really worth dignifying with an
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answer. Britain has had rights longer than most of Europe. And the idea that there would be no
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rights in this country if Britain left the ECHR is frankly laughable and undeserving of a response.
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So let's move on from that. There is a point of principle, however. The point of principle is that
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as a sovereign country, foreign courts should not have jurisdiction over Britain.
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That's a fair position to take. And that's the position that Farage himself has taken.
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So there was this big vote about it about 10 years ago.
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Yeah, I remember that. Yeah, I remember some discussion around this topic.
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It's also a central point about how our political system works is that parliament is sovereign.
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And if it's ruled over by foreign courts that aren't even based in Britain, let alone parliamentary,
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then it's no longer sovereign and it undermines how our sort of uncodified constitution works.
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Yes. Yes. No, absolutely. Absolutely. The point is, though, that for these midwits who pretend that
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ECHR is the source of rights in Britain, it's not stopping the government arresting around 300
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people a day for tweets. I mean, the number of people who are being arrested for social media posts
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is 12,000, 13,000 a year. So the idea that ECHR protects against that, obviously laughable.
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But there is a more substantial point, which is that the reason that these kinds of arrests happen
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isn't because of the ECHR or relationship with Europe. It's because of the pathetic quality of judges,
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judges, MPs, civil servants, police commanders, etc., etc. So there's a much bigger issue here
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than the ECHR, which is why the title of this segment is just the first step. Addressing the
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question of the ECHR is just one step in terms of fixing a much bigger problem, which is that the
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establishment as establishment, the classes that depend on the taxpayer for their wages
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are absolutely hostile. And that includes the quangocracy, and that includes the civil service
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bureaucracy, the police, the judiciary, and much more than that. Plus, it's not even a question of
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whether or not foreign criminals can be deported. The French do a good job sometimes deporting people
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that they don't want when they decide that they want to do this kind of thing. Other countries in
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Europe do engage in deportations. Hungary closes its borders completely, and it's part of the ECHR.
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So the ECHR is a bit of a red herring. It's not the actual issue that's preventing Britain from
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addressing a huge amount of the problems related to migration. It is one factor, but it's a small
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factor. You can also, even if you were part of the EU, do what Poland does, which is just adhere to the
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things you want to do, and then all the things that you don't. Like, it doesn't have to be a
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straitjacket. Exactly. The notion that we have to adhere to it no matter what, or even be a part of
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it in the first place, is absurd. It's obviously people trying to appeal to some degree of authority
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around this thing, because it's what they want. The outcome is what they want in the first place.
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Exactly. So what they do, what both sides are doing, is using the ECHR as a fig leaf.
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The left pretends that the ECHR is the main guarantor of rights, and reform is pretending
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that the ECHR is the fundamental problem. Neither of these propositions are true. And that doesn't
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change the point of principle that a foreign court shouldn't have jurisdiction over Britain,
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but these are the facts. There are good reasons that have been put forward to say the ECHR question
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should be delayed, and shouldn't be the first thing on the agenda. And these mainly relate to
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Ireland and the Good Friday Agreement, and the fact that the Good Friday Agreement, in part, relies on the
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ECHR. The reality, however, is slightly different. First, the Good Friday Agreement has been in chaos
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for many years now. The Parliament installment has been suspended for a total of 10 years, out of the
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last 25 years that it's been in effect. And this didn't really change very much. Things kept on ticking
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along, and the problem of violence has been resolved. And the problem of violence isn't really a threat
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right now, because the Sinn Féin, having taken control of the Republic of Ireland, proceeded to
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pretty much betray the country and stab it a thousand times in the back, and flood it with immigrants in
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the same way that has occurred throughout the rest of Europe, and in Britain, and so on and so forth.
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So the idea that if the Good Friday Agreement collapses because of the ECHR, well, that will
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spell a return to violence in Northern Ireland, we're seeing pretty much the opposite. We're seeing
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people raising the Irish and English and United Kingdom flags together to say that the actual
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problem is the defense of a white Christian Europe, not sectarian differences between Catholics
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and Protestants, or Irish grievances against the English, or English grievances against the Irish.
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Well, there's not nearly as much bad blood anymore, really.
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There might still be amongst the older generation, but, you know...
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You know, one of my closest friends at university was an Irishman.
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And, you know, there was no bad blood. He was just like, yeah, you know, England and Ireland
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are basically the same. And most people of my age feel the same.
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That there's no real problem here. And as, you know, time goes on, there's going to be
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the prevalence of that attitude more and more. And, of course, as well, Ireland's only one country.
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And it's much easier to negotiate with Ireland than the entirety of the EU with the ECHR.
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So, actually, I would argue that it's probably better for both that we just do our negotiations
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Plus, the precedent that was set by Stormont paved the way for the devolution that happened
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And this was disastrous. Like, devolution is clearly not working.
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It's a bad idea. It's adding layers and layers of government that are completely unnecessary.
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And it's been captured, at least in Scotland's case, by insane, weird leftists who pretend
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to be nationalists, but are only nationalists against the United Kingdom. They're not nationalists
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They're also socialists as well, which is a bit awkward as a title.
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It all wraps into one big hate fest, really, of the traditions and customs and religion
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that made this country what it is. That's what it's all about. They hate themselves and they
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hate everybody around them. And they express it with weird ideologies. And, you know, it's
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The other point to make is that the EU is going to work against a reform or right-wing
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government that's genuinely right-wing, unlike what has happened in the past, regardless.
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Like, the EU is going to declare total war on any government in Britain that actually seeks
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to assert sovereignty and that actually tries to reduce the number of migrants coming in
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and the migrants that are already here. This is a given.
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Well, from the EU's perspective, they want to crush any country that asserts its own sovereignty
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because it undermines the whole European project.
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And for them, they don't believe in the popular vote. They believe that our democracy
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means the oligarchic expert class in charge or the expert class servants of the oligarchs
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being in charge. They have the technocrats. The technocrats.
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It means democracy, our democracy is just a term for technocratic, nudge-based, psychological
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Exactly. Exactly. Because the mass population is not to be respected, is not to be trusted,
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is to be looked down upon, spat upon, and downtrodden until it no longer exists. And if a government
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were to try to reverse that, with or without the ECHR being on the table, their reaction from the EU is
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going to be the same. And this is going to involve sabotaging trade. And this is going to involve
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trying to find ways to use the Northern Ireland issue as a wedge to weaken Britain further.
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They will do this to any country. Look at what they've done to Poland. Look at what they've done
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to Hungary. They will obviously do the same to Britain.
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So it should be taken as a given that even a Sivnat government is going to face the full wrath of the
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European Union and of the European bureaucracy. And that they will try to sabotage everything
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at pretty much every, using every lever of power that they have. And at every point in time where they
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find an opportunity. This is, this should be the starting point. A big part of the problem fundamentally
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is that Faraj, as usual, is very good at campaigning, but very bad on the detail.
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And what reform should be doing is pretty much gaming out how this plays out and gaming out things
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like the reaction from the United Nations. Yesterday, the United Nations was getting very angry
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because the government of Rio de Janeiro in Brazil started shooting drug dealers.
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Which is absurd, of course, because everyone knows about Rio's drug gang problem.
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Exactly. They all condemned Naib Bukele for asserting the sovereignty of the state in El Salvador.
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They're going to do the same against Britain, but it's going to be a lot more intense and a lot
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more vigorous. And what should be done is to game out the levers of trade and the levers of
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international law, quote unquote, that they will use to undermine reform. This is what they're going to do.
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And they will have the full cooperation of the blob, of the class of people that rely on taxpayers for their money,
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who work in the NGOs, in the civil service, in the judiciary, in the police, etc., etc.
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And the actual problem isn't just the ECHR, although in principle, yes, it's a violation of sovereignty.
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The actual problem is that there is really no plan for dealing with this.
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And these guys might go crazy. The EU might decide that deporting criminals is a violation of their human rights,
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and therefore trade sanctions must be applied. And therefore, the EU is going to introduce tariffs.
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And therefore, the EU is going to renegotiate Brexit deals and things of that nature.
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And there is one sort of potential counter-argument here that I obviously agree with what you're saying,
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and they could do this to a degree of self-harm that could actually really damage the countries within the EU.
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But with the way things are going, particularly with Germany, France, Italy,
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they're probably not going to be in a financial position where they can take a hit,
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or at least it's going to make it so difficult as to undermine faith in the EU in the first place.
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Look, if you look at how they negotiated the Brexit deals, they didn't really seem to have very many concerns.
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Now, they were very much helped by the fact that the British negotiators were remainers,
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And Britain does have pretty important leverage.
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This is one of the biggest markets that the Europeans have access to.
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But this kind of economic damage didn't stop them blowing up their own nuclear plants,
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and didn't stop them decimating their energy infrastructure,
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and didn't stop them staying silent when the Americans blew up Nord Stream,
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or when the Ukrainians attacked refineries in Romania and Hungary a couple of weeks ago.
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These guys are genuine ideologues, and their commitment to maintaining the illusion that they are the only people who should ever be allowed to govern
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outweighs significantly the economic damage that will be done to the population.
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Because at the end of the day, they're still going to have their champagne and caviar dinners all the time,
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and they're still going to be flying business class everywhere.
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I do agree that the people who are going to be making these decisions are the ones that are isolated from the consequences.
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They want politics to be a game where they make decisions, others suffer the consequences, they suffer nothing.
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And if there is going to be some kind of genuinely responsive government, which is what reform is promising,
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but huge questions on their ability to deliver that, they're going to try to nip that in the bud.
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And they will try to undermine Farage at every point.
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And so on point of principle, yeah, fair enough.
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But in terms of actual preparation for what the EU will do, even if you don't leave the ECHR, be careful.
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Plus, there's a trap in there, in that if a new reform government sort of codifies some new Bill of Rights,
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there is a real risk that part of the things that they will codify will stop a future government
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from removing people's passports and denaturalizing them and sending them back.
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Which is going to really matter if you want to do something about the numbers and about the instability that these numbers bring in.
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So this isn't clear sailing, the idea that the Human Rights Act and the ECHR get revoked,
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And it isn't obvious to me that Farage sees that.
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Well, the obvious thing to do is not to have anything to replace it with at all,
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because ultimately they're just pieces of paper.
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It's not like in the US where you have a Supreme Court that enforces the Constitution,
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And the Human Rights Act was enacted within the first year of Tony Blair's prime ministerial ship,
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which suggests that it's something that was very important to him,
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and instrumental in sustaining his power ultimately.
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Well, something fun that we were discussing before we came onto the podcast earlier when we brought up the subject of constitutions
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was that in Germany, the constitution under the Weimar period and the period immediately following it were the exact same.
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So it turns out you can do a lot of different things under the same constitution if you as a political power just have the will to do so.
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And the actual problem is that there exists this massive class of people
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that rely on taxpayers for their ability to harm taxpayers,
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and reform doesn't have a clear plan to gut that.
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There is no plan to reduce the civil service by 50%.
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To play devil's advocate here, this isn't something I necessarily believe,
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but especially based on lots of the things I've heard about Farage's character from people who've worked with him for years.
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But could it be that they're keeping a lot of this quiet because it would be strategically advantageous not to advertise it?
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Because then they can put up measures to resist.
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I don't actually think that that's happening, but it is possible.
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I heard at the gym the other day, I overheard one of the personal trainers speaking to a client
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talking about the theory that that woman who got in trouble for saying that there are too many black people in adverts,
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that they were using her as a sounding board for the more radical ideas to test public perception and reaction to them.
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That personal trainer's a bit more savvy than you'd imagine.
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And he was talking to some old guy who clearly was just sort of like,
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But to be fair, you know, there is a potential truth to that.
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Or at the very least, it could be unintentionally used for something like that.
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It received a huge pushback, but also at the same time, there was a lot of support for that statement.
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And it received pushback from the same people who think that rights in the United Kingdom depend on being in the ECHR.
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Well, the same people who, frankly, would want what happened to Charlie Kirk to happen to Nigel Farage.
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And if you looked at the reactions from people in Parliament, you sort of see that this is exactly what they want.
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I'm not going to show you the clips because they're frankly disgusting,
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but you should go and watch and see what quality of people we're dealing with here
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and why they shouldn't be dignified with a response, but why they should also be taken very seriously
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in terms of their genuine intent to hamstring any government that tries to do something slightly different.
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They're going to deploy all of their media power, all of their legal power, all of their economic power,
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and they're going to try to paralyze Nigel at every single step.
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And it doesn't matter what happens with the ECHR.
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The presence of the ECHR doesn't prevent people getting arrested over tweets,
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Well, Morgoth always has a good point about the ECHR,
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where people will share pictures of the many points of the ECHR and say,
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this is what reform wants to take away from you.
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And Morgoth always responds by saying, well, if you are white, if you are English,
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if you are ethnically European, some group within Europe,
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you do not have access to .56, .89, whichever are the ones that do things like
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protect you against unfair imprisonment, the ones that protect you as an indigenous group,
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the ones that protect you from being displaced from a homeland.
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You just don't have access or recourse to those.
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No. So this resistance that is inevitable must be prepared for.
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And there should be a level of honesty saying that there is going to be a few very difficult years
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after reform takes power because of this lawfare and economic warfare that will be waged
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You need to prepare your audience for the reality that things have to get worse before they get better.
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For example, nasty HR ladies like the ladies that we see in Parliament will no longer have power over men.
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There is going to be changes to everything that allow people a level of freedom and liberty.
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The problem is that there isn't a positive message that's coming from the right.
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There isn't a positive message that says the bedrock of our beliefs is individual liberty,
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that this is a genuinely talented people that is truly capable, that has been held back deliberately by this state-dependent class,
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that the power of the state-dependent class is going to be removed and the people will then be free to pursue their own well-being as they see fit.
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Well, I would argue that there is actually a positive vision coming from the younger elements of the establishment right.
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Like, oftentimes I'll see former host Connor on Twitter responding to people who are disparaging Britain, disparaging English people.
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And he presents a very positive vision of what England was and what England should be in the future.
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I worry that it's some of the older generation like Nigel Farage who worry about the potential optics problems.
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Nigel Farage has already been accused of being mustache man throughout his entire career for the past 30 years.
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So I think he worries that if he puts forward a positive vision of the future that affirms that English people and British people in general
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could have something of value to offer to the world, not as just a set of abstract floating values,
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but as a real and distinct people, that he worries that he'll get even more of that aimed at him.
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Yeah, yeah. I mean, they're going to attack you for anything anyway.
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I was just going to say that young people, you know, have nothing to lose and everything to gain.
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And so if that's not a good incentive, then I don't know what is.
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And any sensible leader should be leaning into this because it's basically going to be your activist class,
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your most dedicated people, people with a lot of time and energy to put into it.
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And again, it shows kind of the generational age gap and the divide here, which is that for Farage,
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somebody who's part of the establishment or at least has been, you know, refer back to that old video of him dancing with Preeti Patel
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For him, bad optics is affirming everything that we would like to affirm because it would put the ick on him among those circles.
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Among the younger generations, it's good optics to do those things.
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Because like you say, the younger generations, they see where this country is going.
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They've been living in this country for their entire lives as it has just continued to decline.
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So they see, oh, a positive vision of the future that's working for me, specifically has my interests in mind.
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So the incentives are also very different there.
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And the major hope that I've seen a lot of people have is that Farage and other people of his age
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will be kind of pushed and guided by those younger than him by taking advice from them.
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And the thing is that there is the uniqueness of the British government model, the sovereignty of parliament,
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means that enormous things can be done quite quickly, especially in terms of defunding this massive blob
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that will always hate you and work against you in the civil service, in the NGOs, etc.
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And since judges in this country are appointed and can be appointed and removed by government,
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What needs to happen is genuine preparation for government.
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Maybe it's being done under the table and it's hidden for strategic reasons.
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He can be a lot more vocal and a lot more effective if he promises that this sort of enemy caste
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that lives on the taxpayer and that always wants to extract more from the taxpayer to benefit migrants,
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legal and illegal, is going to be treated as an enemy and is going to be made unemployed
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If he promises that and the British model allows him to deliver that,
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So the issue isn't the ECHR, important as it is in principle.
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The issue is that there is going to be total warfare against the next government
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Let's go through the one rumble rant that we have received in the course of that conversation.
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We know you've always got our backs, even if you are Fed posting half the time.
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We need to emphasize how malicious our rulers are.
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Every time a foreigner commits a crime, it should be called a government-sanctioned murder, etc., etc.
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Yeah, pretty much, you see how they get defended every single time,
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how occasionally, like with the case of the Epping assaulter,
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they'll just get accidentally let out of prison and given 50 quid so that they can be on their way.
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Which is more than a year's salary in his country.
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But I thought for a second there before I said it,
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that even if we do start getting mass repatriations and remigration done,
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We should be seizing their assets because they have taken...
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Menept, that they are massive drains on the system.
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Josh's tax money, something that really hits hard for him.
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They've stolen all of our tax money so that they can live here and terrorize our people.
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So no, I think we should be seizing whatever puny assets that they have.
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It would take a team of ten people about a month to basically figure out who owes the state money,
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who's a net negative, how much they owe, how much should be seized.
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Josh would probably volunteer for it yourself, wouldn't you?
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I would happily go around people's houses and take their stuff,
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Imagine they get a knock on the door and it's the smiling faces of us two.
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And speaking of people who do not have your best interests in mind,
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let's talk about Mam Danny's progress in the New York mayoral election race,
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how things are going for him and how it's showing a divide between the Democrat Party.
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Let's take the Republican candidate for mayor of New York and put him to the side.
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We'll issue him right now because, sadly, he's a Republican in New York.
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So the two most important candidates at the moment are Andrew Cuomo and Zoran Mamdani.
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And again, what we're seeing here is a big divide between the Democrats.
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You could almost call it a left and right-wing Democrat divide.
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Yes, they both have insane policies, but one is at least preferred by native U.S.-born voters
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and the other is favoured by foreign voters, as we'll see through a lot of the polls that have been done.
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So, first of all, here's a report from Newsweek talking about Mamdani's chances of winning a landslide New York election.
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And you can scroll down and see one of the graphs here.
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I think they must have updated this because it was showing at 43% earlier when I looked at this article.
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So it's saying here, the betting platform Polymarket shows that Mamdani currently has a 44% chance of winning 50% to 60% of the vote.
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If such a result occurs, Mamdani could be in store for a landslide victory over his opponent, his main opponent, New York Governor Andrew Cuomo.
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Assembly member Zoran Mamdani has become the leading progressive candidate in the race.
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His platform, as Dan aptly described it yesterday as being high school class leader politics, includes rent freezes and the establishment of publicly owned grocery stores to address rising living costs.
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Like, all of a sudden rent freezes, you're going to get the typical decay of housing that happens with such things.
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Yeah, publicly owned grocery stores, that's a way to have no food on the shelves.
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That's just not going to work, as these things never do.
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But again, it's the politics of free ice cream for lunch, no homework and days off on Fridays.
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His campaign has gained significant momentum through endorsements from New York Democratic Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez
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and independent senator Bernie Sanders, two of the most economically illiterate people who've ever shared a stage on American politics.
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Don't call Bernie Sanders economically illiterate.
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And so he understands economics when it suits him.
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He doesn't understand anything when it suits him.
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Polymarket suggests that instead of a landslide,
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it is more likely that he will win 40 to 50 percent of the vote,
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with the website assigning a 49 percent probability to that scenario.
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So, again, if you're going by these polymarkets judgments,
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then it does appear that, yes, he's going to win,
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His base is anchored among younger, progressive, and foreign-born New Yorkers.
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Fox News polling shows he holds 78 percent support among very liberal voters,
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And Patriot polling finds he draws 62 percent support from foreign-born voters,
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compared with 31 percent among U.S.-born residents,
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because he is the gay-race communist candidate.
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Everybody talks about how he's the Islamic candidate, which is also true,
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but I think it is more accurate to just describe him as the gay-race communism candidate,
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because if you actually consider it historically,
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gay-race communism is the default mode of living for most of the third world and the Islamic world as well.
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Thanks to, I know this now, thanks to the amazing insights of our super chatters,
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who got me to learn about the events of, what is it, the Al-Zut?
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So it's actually built into their religion to be gay-race communists.
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Again, refer back to the horrors that the American occupying soldiers in Afghanistan saw
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in having to deal with the Afghanis that they were working alongside.
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Actual communists and socialists have had a pretty troubled history in the Middle East.
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Normally, Islamists tend to kill them eventually.
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They'll be the useful idiots of Islam, and then they'll end up being the enemies and purged.
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Like, Nasir murdered big chunks of the Muslim Brotherhood, who helped get him to power,
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but first they murder everybody decent and destroy the economy.
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It's a classic playbook from taking your country from somewhat functional to a shithole.
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I mean, all of the Middle Eastern countries were much better under monarchy,
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and then you had the Islamist-leftist alliance, and then they sort of destroyed it,
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And it breaks it down further down here, saying,
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Mamdani performed strongly in Brooklyn and among Muslim, Hindu, and atheist voters.
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Betrayals among Catholic and Jewish constituencies.
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He leads among non-white voters, including a majority of black, 51%, and Hispanic, 52% voters.
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He is the multi-ethnic anti-white coalition candidate,
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which is why he is so popular, in particular amongst the foreign-born residents of New York.
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As you can see, here's a visualization of the polls here.
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This was taken slightly before the ones that Newsweek were reporting,
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but it shows the same trend, that you can see Mamdani is 62% favoured amongst foreign-borns.
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Among the native-born, US-born New Yorkers, Cuomo is the overall favourite.
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And I know that Cuomo is running as an independent,
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but you can still just see him as another flavour of Democrat.
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So you can see the kind of divide here between the old-school Democrats,
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who were, shall we say, just classic democratic socialists, perhaps,
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and the new type of Democrat, which is actually an ethnic client group,
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I just want to point out that 30% of Jewish voters back Mamdani.
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That is one of the interesting things about this,
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you can actually trace another racial and ethnic breakdown as well,
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because those Catholics are likely to be the Italians within New York,
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who, surprise, surprise, are majority going for Cuomo,
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but still quite a few of them going for Mamdani.
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Protestant, I suppose you could say, will be the white...
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Potentially the white leftist contingent that still exists within New York.
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And then the Jewish, obviously Jews are a huge constituency of New York.
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Still majority going for Cuomo, but, again, surprisingly...
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Yeah, quite a lot of them going for Zoran Mamdani.
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we can just assume is primarily going to be Arabs.
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It's interesting how the Hindu vote differs whether you're in America or England,
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whereas in England they'll primarily vote for more conservative candidates,
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and in America they'll go for the Democrat candidates.
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But I suppose it's all about appealing to your different ethnic blocs, isn't it?
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I think St. Augustine said that foreigners shouldn't be allowed to participate
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At least, if you're going to let them in the first place.
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is just another demonstration of what Lee Kuan Yeun said
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which is multi-ethnic states just turn into multi-ethnic politics.
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And most of the time, the best signifier of it is,
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You get another one here where it reaffirms regarding the Jewish vote in particular,
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saying that they are still majority going for Cuomo,
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but a significant portion of them are still going to be going for Mamdani.
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And you can see the division that's going down racial, religious, and ethnic lines through this.
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Sorry, the Babylon Bee making jokes that it's only Al-Qaeda adjacent types
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if you wonder what, like, what kind of New York Jew is voting for Mamdani,
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There is, like said in the little caption here,
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We're among the thousands of Jewish New Yorkers
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who've been out door knocking and phone banking to elect Zoran Mamdani.
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We know Zoran will fight to make our city affordable and safe for our families.
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And for our neighbors of all faiths and backgrounds.
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As New Yorkers, we're also just people who live here,
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who don't want to get priced out of this incredible city that we call home.
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We know fellow Jews want to be able to afford housing,
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transportation, and child care for their families.
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There was this amazing Haritz article here that says,
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One of the most interesting things about Mamdani
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is that despite his general lack of appeal for most New York Jews,
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all of the most important members of his campaign teams are Jewish.
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You've got Andrew Epstein, who's the communications director.
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You've got the political director of Julian Gerson,
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and a number of other figures, the media strategist.
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These are the three most important positions you can have.
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So one of the interesting things that you could argue through this
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kind of, like, insane radical liberal Jewish candidate,
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given that they are the ones primarily directing his campaign,
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which is a weird divide that you can see down here,
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because, as well, then you can also see that there's the opposite of this.
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you need to take your own side, for God's sake.
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You've got people like this woman, Lizzie Sovetsky,
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that went out of Mamdani that people discovered.
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His aunt, who wasn't even in the country at the time.
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What about the New York white leftist vote, right?