The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1286

00:00:00.800 Hello and welcome to the podcast of Lotus Eaters episode 1286. I'm joined by Luca, by Nick,

00:00:09.960 and making a special guest Halloween appearance, we also have Tony Blair, the Dark Lord himself.

00:00:16.540 As you can see, this actually isn't his Halloween costume, this is what he looks like without the

00:00:21.080 makeup. Yeah, thanks Jamie, who sent all of this in. He sent in this photo of Tony Blair next to

00:00:28.120 an engulfing fireball, Tony Blair's book, A Journey, cheers, not reading it, and also this

00:00:34.020 actual framed signed photo of Tony Blair. I think you might have mistaken our P.O. box for AAs.

00:00:43.600 Yeah, he will want that now. But we will keep a hold of these for when he next comes into the

00:00:48.560 office, because I'm sure he'll really appreciate it. But frankly, I don't want them. And I've

00:00:53.280 dressed as much like him as possible in order to arm them. Yeah, no tie. He does have a tie in that

00:00:57.160 one, not in the Journey one, which I base my luck on. Yeah, base everything on, really.

00:01:01.420 Of course, it's my Journey. Base your Journey. Other people have Ryan Gosling, Tony Blair is

00:01:06.500 literally you. Yeah, if I start going, look, interesting, and doing a little laugh, that

00:01:10.640 little laugh, incredulous laugh, then you'll know I've really... Well, Jamie's also the guy who sent in

00:01:14.760 the signed Enoch Powell book, along with the other books as well. So he's kind of giving us a heaven and

00:01:19.140 hell trip. Yeah, they definitely bounce out. That's literally mad. I was just amazed at those

00:01:23.000 books. Powell used to just have one policy. I've written an entire book, it took me

00:01:26.820 about an hour this morning, and he did one policy. He's like, I've written 3,000 pages.

00:01:31.400 It's like, did you have to write all that Enoch? As we said before, we got on air, translated

00:01:35.400 from the original Greek that he wrote for no reason. I wrote it in Greek, and I've translated

00:01:40.460 myself. Sorry. Yes, so that's the announcement. So thanks, Jamie. Keep sending us in weird little

00:01:47.620 knickknacks that you find, I suppose. More Enoch Powell would be good, Tony Blair less so. We're

00:01:53.120 going to talk today about the most dangerous man in America, not Tony Blair. We're going

00:01:57.980 to talk about the ultimate farce, possibly Tony Blair, and how Tolkien was very based.

00:02:03.480 Very anti-Tony Blair. Very anti-Tony Blair. We've kind of talked about the Tolkien stuff,

00:02:07.780 but this will be a different spin on it. It will.

00:02:09.920 With an entirely different panel. Oh, wait. Before we get into it, though, we've had one

00:02:14.540 rumble rant already. Harry, watch out. There's a spooky vampire next to you. Happy Halloween,

00:02:20.800 lads, and that's between me and Nick, so I think that's Tony Blair. I wonder if this...

00:02:26.800 No, it couldn't be. I was hoping, I was wondering if it was like an Oscar Wilde situation where

00:02:33.160 perhaps his actual youth and spirit is going into this. But it's too... No, that wouldn't

00:02:39.720 work. Maybe. Probably. Anyway, talk to us, Nick. Get off your phone.

00:02:44.760 I've got to go first again. No, no, I'm just loading up lotuses, actually.

00:02:46.900 We're going to get some juicy... Watching myself live. Going to get some juicy Nick

00:02:50.940 on Nick action. This is going to be pretty juicy. It's going to be pretty tasty and hopefully

00:02:54.160 okay for YouTube because we're talking about... Saucy? Saucy as well. We're talking about

00:02:57.300 the most dangerous man in America. But who is it? Is it Tucker Carlson or Nick Fuentes?

00:03:01.520 Because the right, or parts of the right, some people might call him the Zionist right,

00:03:04.840 they might call him the neocon right, con ink. They're going absolutely mental.

00:03:07.800 The boring right. Could do. They're trying to cancel Tucker Carlson. They seem to be going

00:03:11.300 at him more than Fuentes, but it's because he had Fuentes on his show. So we're going to break

00:03:15.160 this down and this kind of new... It's not a new divide, but it's reached a new level

00:03:19.520 and just full cards on the table. I'm pretty neutral on Israel. How neutral? Well, I'm mates

00:03:24.780 with Leo Kers and I still get on with Nima Parvini. That's how I'd put it.

00:03:28.760 Right.

00:03:29.200 The ultimate fence sitter. When they were talking about the sensible centrist, they were talking

00:03:33.580 about you.

00:03:34.560 Oh, I don't know. What do you think?

00:03:36.840 That's what I'm like on the issue. I'm kind of... Because I'm English and it's in the desert

00:03:39.680 somewhere. You know, how neutral is that? Leo is literally kissing the wall as we speak.

00:03:43.800 But if you ever see Nima kissing the wall... He's doing more than just kiss it.

00:03:46.320 Right. If you see Nima kissing the wall, it's AI or Moss had a brainwash name. That's the

00:03:50.500 only option. So my view is... But my full cards on the table, on the Tucker thing, I am slightly

00:03:55.500 biased for Tucker because I like Tucker and I'm pro-free speech. And the people cancelling

00:03:59.080 him, it's not really an existing bias. It's more just I'm looking at their behaviour and

00:04:02.440 going, I'm not sure this is the best behaviour. But... And on Fuentes, he is very talented

00:04:07.640 and funny, but he does, of course, have some abhorrent views. He thinks Game of Thrones is better

00:04:11.700 than Lord of the Rings. You can't have that kind of view in a society. It just won't work. So we

00:04:16.600 do know he's controversial. So that's just my full cards on the table. So... But this segment is

00:04:21.880 about the response. So Tucker had Nick on, but it's not so much about the content. It's more about

00:04:25.820 the... Oh, can I get the math? It's more about the... Can you? I have to ask nicely, I'm sorry.

00:04:30.040 I have to ask Tony Blair. You have to tell me it's inevitable.

00:04:33.880 The mouse is inevitable. Let me just... If I can find this and not be too much of a boomer. Basically,

00:04:39.180 I'm not going to focus too much on the content. This is the only bit you need to watch.

00:04:44.080 But I'm always... I think I'm just too old or something. I'm like, why is anyone married?

00:04:49.520 You tell me. Why isn't... Why aren't people married?

00:04:52.280 Well, I mean, honestly, it's the women.

00:04:56.080 We missed the best bit of that.

00:04:58.160 Have another go.

00:04:59.260 Try again.

00:05:00.860 This isn't my fault. People are... You are boomerang.

00:05:03.200 This is... That's not my fault. That is not my fault. That Elgato signal thing was not me.

00:05:09.180 I'm sorry I called you gay, by the way. But I'm always... I think I'm just too old or something. I'm

00:05:14.020 like, why isn't anyone married? You tell me. Why isn't... Why aren't people married?

00:05:18.620 Well, I mean, honestly, it's the women.

00:05:21.840 Right. So that was the best clip from the whole thing. And that somehow has got 1.1 million views

00:05:25.340 on my Twitter. But that's all you need to know for the content.

00:05:27.520 It was a good clip.

00:05:28.300 It was a good clip. I cropped it myself. You know, I do make an effort. But really,

00:05:32.220 it's more about the response. So...

00:05:34.400 There's some impressive work.

00:05:35.960 Thank you very much. I did watch the whole thing.

00:05:37.920 At least five minutes.

00:05:39.000 The whole thing was good. You know, it was a backstory about Nick. It was a bit of stuff.

00:05:41.740 They agreed on that OnlyFans should... Whoever's running it should be put in jail.

00:05:45.420 And they, you know, agreed on they don't like Christian Zionists. And they disagreed on some

00:05:49.220 other things. But the attacks on Tucker have been brutal. So this person says,

00:05:53.660 Tucker's father is crying in heaven.

00:05:55.460 He's rolling in his grave. Tucker waited until he died this past year to destroy his father's

00:06:01.500 legacy. His father was an American patriot. His father was a Christian Zionist. His father

00:06:05.560 led... I don't know what that means. But anyway, Tucker's a traitor to his father's name. He said

00:06:09.160 Christians have a brain virus. So they're all trying to attack him and saying...

00:06:13.120 Who's this person? And what authority do they have to say all of this?

00:06:16.160 I don't even know. It's just one of the most brutal attacks. Because Tucker said his least

00:06:19.240 favorite people were Christian Zionists. So people have been really zoning in on that and saying,

00:06:22.960 oh, he's betraying the memory of Charlie Kirk, which is...

00:06:25.040 Well, because his dad was a CIA agent.

00:06:27.140 Yeah.

00:06:27.520 He's betraying the good work of the CIA.

00:06:29.960 I don't know. It's because he's saying his father was a Christian Zionist. Anyway,

00:06:33.440 Josh Hammer, the great Charlie Kirk is rolling in his grave right now, simply despicable.

00:06:37.700 So that's just simply the fact that Tucker had Fuentes on means that Charlie Kirk's rolling

00:06:41.080 in his grave and it's despicable.

00:06:43.000 I don't know. I'm not persuaded by that.

00:06:44.640 But Fuentes does point out that Mr. Hammer here has said in the past that Europe will

00:06:49.280 never change. Due hatred is inherent in its collective DNA. Seems quite an extreme view

00:06:53.780 in itself and a fairly sort of racial-ist view because it's saying it's right in your DNA

00:06:58.620 and it's collective. So, you know, maybe not the best authority to listen to, possibly.

00:07:04.380 I don't trust that Josh Hammer has mine or anybody else's except his own best interests

00:07:08.180 in mind.

00:07:08.620 That seems reasonable from what we know. And he did a whole male piece which was paywall

00:07:13.580 so I didn't link to the piece. But he said in the piece, Hammer did, about Tucker, the

00:07:18.200 fox, meaning Tucker, is now comfortably ensconced in the hen house. And unless the fox is neutralized,

00:07:25.160 the victim could be the entire extant GOP coalition itself. So he's saying Tucker should

00:07:30.540 be neutralized and people have taken offense to this saying why using that kind of language

00:07:34.940 doesn't seem great. Hammer maintains he just means it in a completely innocent sense to

00:07:40.560 make neutral cause, to undergo neutralization, to make something ineffective.

00:07:44.580 You've got the mouse down here. Just move it to the right. There you go.

00:07:47.760 Mate, Leo couldn't even do it himself. So it's all levels. So he's saying it's completely

00:07:52.520 innocent. Look at that. It's just normal usage. But then Dave Smith points out he actually

00:07:57.200 cropped out the third definition, which you can check on dictionary.com. And if you do go

00:08:01.840 on dictionary.com and you look for the third definition, you find it is military to put

00:08:05.340 out of action or make incapable of action to neutralize an enemy position. So that's people

00:08:09.820 saying I should use that kind of language immediately after Charlie. I don't know if he meant it or

00:08:13.920 not in that way. But you get the idea. Whitlock's not buying a Hammer's thing. He says you start

00:08:19.560 an article calling Tucker Carlson the most dangerous man in America and close the same article saying

00:08:23.600 he needs to be neutralized.

00:08:24.580 For me, it's a threat that Tucker Carlson is obviously just such a seismically influential

00:08:31.260 person that they're afraid of him alone, regardless of any coalition he might build around him.

00:08:37.960 Definitely. And the point of this is they're going very hard at Tucker. And Dinesh actually

00:08:44.200 went as far in this kind of platforming debate of posting texts from Charlie Kirk, which I think

00:08:49.880 is wrong because he's dead. He says, I'm posting two exchanges with Charlie Kirk where he calls

00:08:54.680 Nick Fuentes vermin.

00:08:55.620 Are we playing the Charlie Kirk football now? Candice Owens and other people post texts of

00:09:00.600 his where he's saying like, oh, I might have to drop off the pro-Israel train. And Dinesh

00:09:04.400 D'Souza's doing the other thing, posting texts where he's calling him Fuentes vermin.

00:09:09.080 Yeah.

00:09:09.480 Is that just what Charlie Kirk is now? He's a guy who you invoke to try and score points on

00:09:14.820 your side.

00:09:15.460 Exactly. And people said he was a martyr. He's almost become like a religious figure. You know,

00:09:19.100 we'll look at this part of the Bible to justify what I do. Someone else is saying, look at

00:09:22.140 this part. And the same with any religious text. He's almost become that. You go to

00:09:25.480 him to justify your own side, as you say. And I think it's pretty wrong to do that.

00:09:29.540 But yeah, so he called Nick Vermin and insists that my debating him, Dinesh is debating him

00:09:33.720 and defeating his arguments, nevertheless amplifies him. One can only imagine what Charlie would

00:09:37.740 say about Tucker's butt-looking interview with Fuentes.

00:09:40.560 Dinesh D'Souza recently did a debate with Nick Fuentes.

00:09:44.100 Yeah, and he addresses that. He says it's different. We'll address that in a sec.

00:09:46.680 They were very polite to one another.

00:09:49.440 I know. And Fuentes, Kirk said, you have no idea the damage you did by talking to him,

00:09:54.120 meaning Fuentes, you're making him even bigger. And he attacked Dinesh for that debate.

00:09:59.260 Now, Fuentes' response to this is quite interesting. So I'll just play a little bit of it.

00:10:03.500 He's saying actually, who was the more dangerous, him or the left?

00:10:07.000 Charlie Kirk says about me and Dinesh D'Souza's debate, this was a massive mistake that you did

00:10:13.040 this. He's vermin, and you just gave him one of the biggest boosts of his career.

00:10:18.440 This is about me. Charlie says, you have no idea the damage you did by talking to him and

00:10:24.660 complimenting him. You are making him even bigger. We've been fighting this guy for six years,

00:10:29.500 and you are the first mainstream voice to debate and give him a compliment,

00:10:34.440 which then makes him bigger and more powerful. That's Charlie Kirk,

00:10:39.940 which is very interesting. Because the legacy of Charlie Kirk is open discussion,

00:10:49.920 Q&A. They'll debate anybody. That's what makes America great, free speech. Not for me,

00:10:57.140 for the left. Free speech and debate and engagement and a marketplace of ideas for

00:11:05.000 the left. The left, which shot him in the face and then celebrated it. Is there not a lesson in this?

00:11:13.240 All right. And so that whole video is very good, but I think Charlie Kirk is dead.

00:11:17.740 He just points out the left are the far more dangerous ones. And yet don't we see, you know,

00:11:21.980 destiny on Jordan Peterson's show and all this. It's true. They will platform the left,

00:11:25.680 but what you can't ever do is platform Fuentes. And yet, who's actually the more dangerous and

00:11:30.400 who actually should be accepted in society? Why is it the people that are actually killing people

00:11:35.440 now? So I think it's a fairly reasonable point. And Dinesh responded, fascinating response from

00:11:40.820 Nick Fuentes. I've never agreed with the strategy of suppression. My objective in debating him was

00:11:44.360 to give his ideas a fair hearing. My critique of Tucker's interview was that it involved no real

00:11:48.180 criticism. Tucker shamelessly played cheerleader for Nick. So he claims it's about the tone of it.

00:11:52.840 You can debate him as long as you sort of challenge him. And on Nick's thing about how they are more

00:12:00.000 than welcome to debate the left and open up to the left, I think it's because ultimately a lot of

00:12:05.220 the right-wing conservatism boils back down to a kind of civic national liberalism, right? And on that,

00:12:12.940 ultimately the end goal to civic national liberalism and a kind of leftism could be seen as the striving

00:12:23.920 towards a Karl Popperian open society style governance model, whether they realize it or not.

00:12:30.820 And this is something that Burnham points out. This is something that Richard Pipes points out in his

00:12:35.300 history of the Soviet Union and the Russian Revolution, is that when you are operating on essentially the

00:12:40.900 same basis or towards similar goals and you have a similar metaphysic underpinning everything,

00:12:47.140 those people on the center-right in America see the leftists as liberals who've just gone a little

00:12:52.720 bit too far. They've just gone a little bit off track and we can bring them back on track.

00:12:58.160 Whereas the right, people like Fuentes, who actually believe in things like hierarchy,

00:13:04.020 a greater spirituality, you know, because he's a Catholic and everything,

00:13:07.240 and believe that there is basis of things like race. They see them as the complete opposite of

00:13:13.600 them and something that would be dangerous and oppositional to their ultimate goals.

00:13:19.240 Yeah, they seem to instinctively invoke the friend enemy against him far more than against a destiny

00:13:23.400 type to the point where Kirk, in a private message to be fair, calls Fuentes vermin. But Peterson,

00:13:29.480 in a public tweet, called Fuentes a rat, which is pretty extreme when he's meant to be helping

00:13:33.220 young men. I know he's struggling and he's ill, but he did call him a rat. And where he had

00:13:38.080 destiny on his show, so it's a completely different treatment.

00:13:40.760 Destiny, who is objectively a morally worse person than Nick Fuentes, no matter what outrageous shock

00:13:47.720 doc stuff that Nick Fuentes has said in the past, he's never gone as far as to celebrate his political

00:13:54.380 arrivals being murdered or to try and encourage that to happen like destiny has.

00:13:58.680 Right, I think that's fair. But yes, and Seth Dillon here is trying to make a similar distinction

00:14:04.200 to Dinesh and say, well, it's about how you do it. So you can have him on your show as long as you do

00:14:09.180 it basically how Seth Dillon wants.

00:14:11.280 Well, let me just be clear about where I'm coming from on this, because a lot of people have tried

00:14:15.100 to misconstrue and dishonestly portray me as being in favor of censorship, which, you know,

00:14:20.440 no one's more against censorship than I am. I have fought for free speech every step of the way.

00:14:24.260 I've fought for free speech, not just for myself and for my own company, but for people who,

00:14:28.660 I disagree with, people who I think have terrible ideas, people who, you know, a lot of people

00:14:34.600 would like to see censored. I have gone on record saying I would like to see their voices in the

00:14:40.540 public square because, you know, no one should be able to decide what you're allowed to say and what

00:14:44.580 you're not allowed to say. As long as your speech is lawful, you should be allowed to talk in the

00:14:47.960 public square. And so, you know, I was one of the first ones and one of the most vocal ones who was

00:14:51.500 coming out in favor of Nick Fuentes being restored on Twitter when he was suspended. And I did that for a

00:14:56.260 reason. It was on principle. It's not because I like what he has to say. It's because I love that he has

00:15:00.840 the right to say it. And so, you know, defending that right is very important to me. And so it's not a matter

00:15:05.660 of, you know, should he be allowed to speak? Of course he should, you know, sit down with him, have an

00:15:09.820 interview with him, have a conversation with him. That's fine. But challenge and confront the things

00:15:15.180 that he says. You know, if you disagree with his ideas, if you think that he's got some bad ideas or he has some

00:15:20.180 beliefs that you don't share, challenge him on that, confront him on that. That's how, you know,

00:15:25.580 that's how the marketplace of ideas really works is when you have the bad ideas and the good ideas

00:15:29.660 come together and they clash. And so if you're not willing to do that, if you're just having people

00:15:34.500 on and saying, and, you know, for the sake of free speech, I'm going to have this conversation, but

00:15:38.700 I'm not going to challenge them. You know, well, in that case, all you're really doing is

00:15:43.380 normalizing or mainstreaming more radical and extreme ideas without them getting the pushback

00:15:50.640 and the confrontation that they deserve. And the only assumption, you know, that we can,

00:15:54.260 the only conclusion that we can draw from that is that you agree with those ideas if you're not

00:15:57.580 willing to challenge them. And so if you don't want to be mistaken for holding those views yourself,

00:16:02.660 then you should take that opportunity when you have it. Be the free speech advocate who gives them

00:16:06.680 a voice, but then use your own speech to push back on that voice when you disagree with it.

00:16:11.180 All right. I mean, sounds like Seth should do that then. If he's the exemplar for how to conduct

00:16:17.460 an interview, how to push back, you have him on, Seth, and you push back until your heart's content.

00:16:22.860 Scrutinize him. Well, the problem is it's a lot easier to say that than to do it. When you're

00:16:27.860 actually speaking to somebody in person, it's a lot more difficult to potentially be rude and push back

00:16:33.660 at them, especially because the way it manifests in internet debate in particular, when you behave like

00:16:38.980 that, is it often manifests into bad faith debate tactics style arguments, right? Yeah. The other

00:16:45.080 problem is, the reason that I don't think he wants to do it, is that, yeah, you can push back against

00:16:50.660 ideas, but what if he convinces you? What if the strength of his arguments and logic and evidence

00:17:00.600 actually ends up convincing you? And so that's one of the reasons I think they want to sequester,

00:17:06.800 well, it's obviously the reason they want to sequester and censor Nick Fuentes and keep him out of the

00:17:10.880 public eye, is that ultimately a lot of the things that he says can be convincing and can be backed up

00:17:17.320 with evidence. And so they don't want to have people exposed to it, and they don't necessarily want to

00:17:22.320 expose themselves to it. Because it's very, very easy to take clips of Nick out of context when he's

00:17:29.360 interacting with the super chatters, which is where most of the objectionable stuff that he says comes from.

00:17:35.700 Because he hates the super chatters, and he finds them very annoying, and he doesn't like the questions

00:17:41.440 that they ask. But if you actually watch his shows, and you mainly focus on the actual content that comes

00:17:47.120 before the super chats, where most of the time he's tired and bored and a bit frustrated with his audience,

00:17:52.740 then it's a lot more reasonable, and there's a lot less to object to.

00:17:57.300 Yeah, I think that's some really good points there. It's a couple of things that bothered me, even though it sounded

00:18:00.760 reasonable enough from Seth Dillon. One is he wants to dictate Tucker's content, and he's a much greater

00:18:05.220 figure. So it's sort of a bit like, why doesn't Tucker just do the interview he wants? How about that?

00:18:09.280 But the other thing is, you said the arguments. He doesn't really make the arguments. I see Seth

00:18:13.260 Dillon a lot not making the arguments, but saying we should make the arguments, and mainly just trying

00:18:17.800 to shut people down while saying, well, you've just got to push back. It's like, why don't you make

00:18:21.820 the arguments then? Just make the arguments in your tweets. Just make the argument, make it there.

00:18:24.880 Then we can compare the argument. But like you say, is that what he really wants? And an example

00:18:28.760 here is, he uses, he does something here, which is basically guilt by association, which I think

00:18:34.400 is a lefty thing to do. I mean, I think of Sam Harris once speaking to Douglas Murray, and he said to

00:18:39.000 him, well, you know, you shouldn't have spoken. This was public on the podcast. He said, you shouldn't

00:18:41.520 have spoken to Stefan Molyneux because he spoke to someone else. It might have been someone like Jared

00:18:46.520 Taylor. And Douglas Murray said, well, I just speak to people. They seem all right. He's like, do we have to do

00:18:52.180 this guilt by association game? It just seems a bit lame. I mean, well, in Douglas Murray's defense

00:18:56.860 as well, at least he actually went and had the debate with Dave Smith, right? He actually just

00:19:01.920 went and had the thing. Yeah. Although, when you want to talk about pushing back, that was an example

00:19:07.700 of what I was saying a moment ago, which is that if you go into the discussion with the pure intent

00:19:14.160 only of pushing back, without actually discussing the arguments, you will come across as unfair,

00:19:18.980 you'll come across as argumentative, and you will begin arguing in bad faith, which is something

00:19:24.100 that Murray did in that debate. But again, you know what? Fair play. I'll give him the credit

00:19:28.500 for having gone on in the first place. Yeah. Although, yeah, it was similar in just this whole

00:19:31.760 argument was you shouldn't really have a voice. You're not as legitimate as me. It was basically

00:19:34.820 the whole thing, which is what these guys are saying. Seth Dillon, Tucker wouldn't be censoring

00:19:38.060 anyone by declining to have them on his show, just as Turning Point USA wouldn't be censoring

00:19:42.020 Tucker if they stopped inviting him to events. Such platforms are not the public square. None of us

00:19:45.720 are entitled to them. So it's not a matter of censorship, but responsibility and discernment.

00:19:50.280 Who you talk to and how you talk to them matters. So he's trying to get Tucker counsel from Turning Point,

00:19:54.200 and he's saying guilt by association. So I find it a little bit lame. And he says again here,

00:19:59.960 the problem isn't platforming, it's promotion. This is some new distinction I've never heard of.

00:20:04.040 You can share your platform if you're fortunate enough to have one with anyone, but not everyone

00:20:07.400 should be promoted from it. Some people should only be offered a platform for the purpose of exposure

00:20:11.320 and repudiation. Isn't this basically leftist argument?

00:20:14.760 Yeah. I think so.

00:20:15.880 They should only be offered it if you're going to ambush them.

00:20:17.960 Freedom of speech, not freedom of reach, is essentially what he is saying here.

00:20:21.960 Exactly. And repudiation literally means refuse to accept, reject, or deny the truth or validity of.

00:20:27.720 I checked. So just double check. So what's the difference between that and not having them on?

00:20:32.680 You were saying only have them on to repudiate and say that they're telling lies. So then why even have them?

00:20:37.080 Tucker just wants to have them on and have the genuine conversation and see what the truth is.

00:20:43.160 He's like saying, no, no, you can have them on, but only if you're having them on to set them up and dunk on them.

00:20:47.080 This is Maoist struggle session right here. The only reason to have them on is to have them sit

00:20:51.240 silently in the corner while you try and shame them. That's like literally Maoist struggle sessions.

00:20:57.160 Okay. That's a terrible idea.

00:20:58.840 Good point because Lauren Chen says, this is what it actually sounds like to be woke right, by the way.

00:21:03.560 Fair point. You know, all this woke right stuff. Everyone calling each other woke right.

00:21:07.320 That is more woke right than the people that get called woke right.

00:21:10.440 I am HO and George mocks it here. If you listen to this interesting conversation between two American

00:21:15.560 citizens, you are literally worse than Satan. Not only should your voice be taken away,

00:21:19.160 you should be fired from your job and not allowed to earn or spend money for the rest of your life.

00:21:23.080 And that is kind of where it is.

00:21:24.360 I do like George.

00:21:25.320 Funny, isn't it?

00:21:25.800 Well, the thing is, he is somebody who probably doesn't agree with everything that Nick says,

00:21:33.320 but he's not going to try and call for him to be deplatformed and he's going to give him a fair

00:21:37.160 shot as well. And that's the kind of example that Seth Dillon should be setting if he wants to live

00:21:42.920 up to what he's saying.

00:21:43.960 He could call it America.

00:21:45.720 Cernovich, quite similarly balanced. None of the people screaming about Tucker Carlson have any objective

00:21:50.840 moral standards. Reid Hoffman goes on the All In podcast and Joe Lonsdale show and that's fine.

00:21:55.400 Hoffman is total scum and Epstein associate and recruiter also funded lawfare against Trump.

00:22:00.040 So it is true that, you know, it's certain people that you can't have.

00:22:02.840 Then you sort of look at others and go, hang on, why them though?

00:22:05.960 Cassandra, who's also cool and follows me, which is my sole criterion.

00:22:10.280 It's funny that the Israel right, who most people have never heard of,

00:22:13.800 Seth Dillon, Josh Hammer, Will Chamberlain, etc. Will Chamberlain follows me as well,

00:22:16.840 so he's all right. I think they can still gatekeep figures like Tucker and Nick.

00:22:20.040 Both of them are pretty much household names. This isn't 2015.

00:22:23.160 What are you going to do? Keep them off Fox News and podcasts smaller than theirs, lol.

00:22:26.520 Gatekeeping isn't what it used to be, which I think is a fair point.

00:22:29.400 That's a good point, actually. Tucker and Nick both have much bigger audiences than these guys.

00:22:34.280 Whereas no one actually knows who Josh Hammer is, except for when he attacks Tucker and Nick.

00:22:37.880 And Glenn Greenwell points out they still have Ben Shapiro and CBS News,

00:22:42.120 and he actually looks at the Ben Shapiro monthly gain subscribers and it's flatlined brutally this year.

00:22:51.480 What caused that?

00:22:52.440 Yeah, interesting, isn't it?

00:22:55.080 And there's another one which is for monthly gain views for Shapiro, very similar.

00:22:59.720 Doing well back in 23, 25, not so much, which I think is a fair point.

00:23:08.040 And then this one as well, similar point about Josh Hammer on a podcast nine hours ago,

00:23:13.080 240 views, one like this is a guy who thinks he gets to tell the American right who they should listen to

00:23:17.880 and that Tucker Carlson should be neutralized.

00:23:19.640 So yeah, it's a fair point. Like, why is it up to them? I think that is reasonable, being very objective.

00:23:25.240 Oren McIntyre quotes Seth Dillon, it's not platforming, it's promotion, it isn't a friend-enemy distinction,

00:23:30.600 it's healthy gatekeeping. The tortured attempts to redefine terms is sad, but ultimately it's good that we got here.

00:23:35.560 We're all political realists now. Everyone has discarded the pretense of classical liberalism and the marketplace of ideas.

00:23:41.240 Elite theory for the win, he's saying, that's kind of a good point.

00:23:43.800 Yeah, it's a great point from Aaron.

00:23:45.000 He's saying they're doing the same, but they're doing it with this disingenuous...

00:23:48.280 Well, they've got doublespeak. They've got their own doublespeak.

00:23:50.600 No, no, no, I'm just doing healthy gatekeeping, says James Lindsay.

00:23:54.360 I hate Schmidt, by the way. Don't read Schmidt.

00:23:57.640 Yeah, it's just marketplace of ideas, but his ideas are bad and you shouldn't have them on,

00:24:00.760 or if you do, you should challenge them. And my theory there is that their side is basically

00:24:04.840 the one in more power, or has been, whereas the Fuentes side, they want to scream as loud as possible.

00:24:09.400 And they're actually just saying what they think very openly, like it or hate it,

00:24:12.840 because they're saying America first, it's not about Israel, you know, and they're trying to get attention.

00:24:17.160 Whereas the one that's in power tends to be more obscure, tends to be more oblique,

00:24:21.800 the way they go about things. Notice Keir Starmer, when Donald Trump's around, says,

00:24:25.160 oh, we've got a lot of tradition of free speech. He doesn't say, oh, I'm basically a tyrant,

00:24:29.000 who's against free speech, because it sounds bad. So the ones who have a bit more power at the moment,

00:24:32.680 they can't just come out and make their argument, which is,

00:24:35.640 but it's also a harder argument to make, I would say, that you should give Israel special treatment.

00:24:39.080 It's probably a harder argument. Well, it is when your entire campaign slogan is an absolute

00:24:44.040 term, like America first. Yeah. Apart from one country. So it's...

00:24:48.600 Well, I mean, for many countries as well who do prioritize foreign nations over their own,

00:24:54.520 it would be a lot easier to make the argument that maybe we should help out other foreign nations

00:24:59.800 if those foreign nations weren't doing better than us, and our domestic situation weren't so

00:25:05.320 obviously terrible and getting worse. Right. That's another good point. Notice,

00:25:08.840 by the way, the left are kind of absent. I don't want to do too long, but notice the left are kind

00:25:11.560 of absent from all this. It's just the sort of neocon right. It's fascinating. Like,

00:25:16.120 the left are just letting it happen because it's anti-Israel. So they're like, let him cook.

00:25:20.280 They don't criticize Fuentes. They haven't criticized Tucker. In fact,

00:25:23.480 Anna Kasparian is the latest fan of Nick Fuentes. Listen to this.

00:25:27.640 I do think that having these types of conversations are still worth it because we get a little bit of

00:25:33.640 insight into not only who Fuentes is, but the experiences he had with conservative organizations

00:25:41.800 trying to groom him for their own purposes. And then rejecting him and attempting to bury him

00:25:48.600 the second he asks questions that they deem to be inappropriate, which actually happened to be

00:25:54.280 very appropriate. So I don't know what to make about Nick Fuentes. What I do know is regardless of how

00:26:00.280 much you want him to go away, he's not going away. This guy had 300,000 people watching one of his

00:26:06.680 live streams recently. He's blowing up. And if you want to know why he's blowing up, look no further

00:26:14.280 than our government's fealty to a foreign government that's currently carrying out atrocities with our

00:26:20.360 resources. If you think my commentary about what Israel has been up to in the Middle East is what

00:26:28.520 is leading to anti-Semitism in the country, how about maybe consider the actions of the Israeli

00:26:35.080 government? Because believe it or not, people around the world do not rejoice in the endless imagery

00:26:41.800 of children with their limbs blown off or parents picking up their children's body parts and putting

00:26:49.480 them in plastic bags in Gaza. People see that and they get angry.

00:26:55.560 So that's the, sorry, that is the, yeah, the new alliance, Kasparin and Fuentes against the

00:27:03.320 sort of neo-convite.

00:27:04.040 You're going to get married.

00:27:04.680 Yeah, it's inevitable. It's inevitable. So I don't know to do too long, but my last question is who will

00:27:09.160 win this debate? So the Heritage Foundation has scrubbed references to Tucker Carlson from their

00:27:13.720 network. This is what came out. And Dinesh, thinking he's winning there, says, and so it begins.

00:27:18.280 I think that's the important part to point out here. When you say, well, all of these people have

00:27:25.160 smaller podcasts, all of these people are losing influence with the mainstream public.

00:27:29.480 A lot of these people still have a lot of influence within the actual institutions.

00:27:34.360 Right, that's the question.

00:27:35.480 And they have the ear of the elites who, like you say, when they're actually doing things,

00:27:41.640 when they work behind the scenes, you don't see them publicly. They are not broadcasting

00:27:45.800 everything to the public the way that we have to. And so if these people, they're not getting

00:27:51.160 through to anybody on the ground, but if they're all on the same page within the elite, then does it

00:27:57.560 matter?

00:27:57.960 And that's, that was actually my conclusion that it's, I think the America First side's winning

00:28:02.200 the public debate, but doesn't necessarily mean the administration will go along with it, which is,

00:28:06.760 or any given administration, which is a key question. But here, Dinesh thinks he's won,

00:28:10.120 but that because the Heritage Foundation has scrubbed references to Tucker Carlson. But then they

00:28:13.560 clarify, we won't play, we don't have time, but he clarifies at some length they haven't done that.

00:28:17.480 Kevin Roberts says, no, no, I'm totally backing Tucker. And he also says, he says that US should only

00:28:23.400 support Israel if it's in their interest, like any, any foreign country. He says Christians can

00:28:27.800 critique the state of Israel without it being anti-Semitic, though he does condemn anti-Semitism.

00:28:31.880 And he just completely backs Tucker. So that, that backfired for Dinesh and he actually,

00:28:37.160 it's not canceled Tucker. And another guy here, Brad Palumbo says Nick Puente has won. Dinesh says Nick

00:28:44.360 hasn't won. He isn't moving into the mainstream. Tucker is moving out of it. The fabled years long

00:28:49.160 effort you invoke is all nonsense. You always had issues with the conservative right that have

00:28:52.280 nothing to do with anti-Semitism. So he basically denies that Nick has won.

00:28:55.640 But who's the mainstream in this scenario though? Fox News and CNN with their dwindling numbers,

00:29:01.240 or Tucker with his 16.5 million followers on, sorry, on X?

00:29:06.040 Yeah, it's the meme isn't. Look at me, I'm the mainstream now with that old Rogan,

00:29:10.600 Captain Phillips meme. Henenius called it for Puentes. He says, man, this is big. Heritage

00:29:15.640 Foundation has completely dropped any talk of Israel being an ally, shared values or anything like that.

00:29:19.480 It's just any other country. You only work with if it's in America's interest, refuses to denounce

00:29:23.400 Tucker. As I said, that was all in that video. I told you the Groypers were winning. Congratulations

00:29:27.000 to Nick Puente, the most effective conservative activist of a generation. But then he says,

00:29:30.600 Jewish friends, you need to rethink the conservative movement. But he does say this seems to be a

00:29:35.720 victory for Puentes. Liam McCollum points out Tucker Carlson is anti-Buckley, a reference to,

00:29:41.080 of course, William F. Buckley, who was accused of gatekeeping on the right with National Review,

00:29:45.080 and it annoyed the likes of Paul Gottfried, who felt the paleocon right were kept out of things

00:29:49.640 by William Buckley. And that was his function, essentially. And Liam here says he's reversing

00:29:53.960 the National Review purge on the right, accepting the new media moment we're in and acknowledging the

00:29:58.680 reality that the right has changed dramatically and certain people are here to stay. And he backs

00:30:02.600 it up here. Someone says to him, why are you backing Nick Fuentes? He's awful. He says,

00:30:05.560 well, he's not going anywhere, regardless of what you think. They tried to un-person him,

00:30:09.720 Daily Wire at Con Inc., but it didn't work. I think that's a compelling case.

00:30:14.040 This classic tweet from Ben Shapiro, which Nick referenced on the show with Tucker,

00:30:19.000 Nick Fuentes was 18 years old and Shapiro said, accusing any American Jew who's pro-Israel of

00:30:23.240 being an Israel first is a pure form of anti-Semitism, dunked on this 18-year-old. And

00:30:27.560 someone says, thanks for creating Groypa, saying that you really, this is the origin story.

00:30:31.560 Well, that is the origin story, isn't it? That Nick tells on these sorts of podcasts. I've only heard it

00:30:37.800 a little bit, but from what I understand, he was part of these conservative groups within his

00:30:42.920 universities, noticed that there was an overwhelming focus on Israel issues rather than domestic America

00:30:50.520 issues, which he took issue with because the movement was supposed to be America first.

00:30:54.600 And then he starts being public about it. And then Ben Shapiro and everybody else dogpiles on him,

00:31:01.320 calls him an anti-Semite, tries to get him canceled, tries to get him removed from his university,

00:31:06.520 at which point he decides, well, I clearly am onto something here.

00:31:09.800 Yeah. And as he tells it, Cassie Dillon basically says to him, you don't want to go near that Israel

00:31:13.160 stuff. She's shared text messages recently or DMs saying, no, no, it's not as he says it.

00:31:17.320 He exaggerates, he distorts. But yeah, and his, certainly in his story, it's exactly that. He

00:31:21.080 was asking just normal questions. Oh, why are they all attacking me? This is weird. I must be onto

00:31:25.160 something. But also the classic thing, you're radicalizing him further. Why did you do that approach?

00:31:31.400 If you did a different approach, you could have welcomed him in and you could have contained it.

00:31:34.440 Yeah, exactly. But they went too hard against him and created, in their view, I suppose,

00:31:38.200 a monster. I'm staying neutral. But as this person says, Nick Fuentes, after being ostracized

00:31:43.640 by Ben Shapiro 18, betrayed by friends, fired, banned from every platform, having his bank account

00:31:47.800 frozen, put on a no-fly list and surviving an assassination attempt only to become the most

00:31:51.640 influential, one of the most influential political figures in America. Hard to disagree with.

00:31:56.040 All that did happen to him. Couldn't get an Uber, bank account frozen, couldn't get a plane.

00:31:59.560 Guy came to his house to kill him, who'd killed several people that night. So he's been through a lot,

00:32:03.640 but somehow he's ended up here. And as Tucker says here, does this mean he's won?

00:32:08.440 I mean, and Ben Shapiro seems irrelevant to me now.

00:32:11.240 Now, but back then, for the young, he was huge.

00:32:13.560 No, I guess that's true. So maybe you won.

00:32:18.040 Oh, certainly.

00:32:20.440 So Nick certainly thinks he's won. Tucker says he's won.

00:32:23.080 Hanania thinks he's won. Cernovich, just for some balance, he has a more balanced take.

00:32:28.840 He's quoting J.D. Vance, who was asked a question about Israel at a turning point event.

00:32:32.920 And he says, J.D.'s answer was perfect for the times. In the reality of politics,

00:32:36.120 Republicans won't win any new votes by being anti-Israel and would lose some,

00:32:39.880 but the pro-Israel side has to start acting like an ally rather than entitled brat yelling at us

00:32:44.920 and treating us badly. I think there's something in that. Whatever you think of the arguments,

00:32:49.320 the way they've gone about it, trying to cancel Tucker, this beloved figure, and just saying,

00:32:53.720 shut up, you're evil, you shouldn't have Nick. It's like, people love Tucker.

00:32:56.520 He's incredibly likable. He's like the nation's uncle or something. And then you're attacking him

00:33:00.040 like this. It's just not a good strategy. So that's why I say, kind of like Harry was saying,

00:33:04.840 my personal belief is that the public opinion seems to be siding with the America first side.

00:33:09.160 They actually have probably a better argument. Because unless you believe in that biblical

00:33:14.120 precedent for sort of Israel's destiny, which is quite niche, Ted Cruz believes it. Most people

00:33:18.520 don't. Even most Christians don't.

00:33:20.120 And it's mainly a big evangelical thing in America.

00:33:23.640 Right. And also, whether you like it or not, this is a neutral observation.

00:33:28.040 As the younger generation doesn't have the same connection to World War Two,

00:33:31.480 even than I had with two grandfathers who fought in it, they just don't have it.

00:33:35.000 So they don't have the same sensitivity around that. So they don't think Israel has a special

00:33:39.240 position. Therefore, I think that's where the argument's going. However, that is very different,

00:33:43.160 as you point out, from what the administration will do. And it's sort of yet to be seen how this

00:33:47.240 will impact the Trump administration and future administration. Anyway, that's my take.

00:33:52.120 All right, then. May I have the mouse, please?

00:33:55.080 Yes. Sorry, it was a bit long.

00:33:56.600 That's all right.

00:33:57.720 We'll cut the loop off.

00:33:58.760 I cannot criticize anybody for doing long segments. The audience will know.

00:34:03.880 So, Rumble Rants and Super Chats, Habsification, it's become rather obvious and pathetic that

00:34:08.120 Conning can be more terrified of Nick Fuentes and the Woke Communists. What could be the reason

00:34:11.480 for that? I think we addressed that in this segment itself. On to YouTube.

00:34:15.640 Big thank you, Harry and Samson, for the Silent Hill breakdown yesterday. Thoroughly enjoyed.

00:34:19.880 More of the sort, please. Thank you very much. We really enjoyed it. I think it was a really

00:34:23.800 great start to the new show, Journey to the East. Did not go out through everything that

00:34:28.360 I wanted to with Silent Hill and did not get to do all of the deeper psychological and psychoanalytic

00:34:34.280 analysis that I wanted to add to it or address the more recent entries into the series. So there

00:34:39.560 will be an episode 0.5 whenever we can get around to doing that. It won't be anytime soon,

00:34:45.640 sadly, because one of us is away for a little bit. Stereotype says,

00:34:50.600 lads, please look at St. Joseph's primary nursing in Renfrew. Renfrew, they've been giving illegals

00:34:56.360 English lessons while kids are at school unaccompanied on school grounds with no big checks,

00:35:01.480 no boy-girl checks buried by the news. I have not heard of that. Someone will need to

00:35:05.640 look into that. Maybe make a note of it, Samson, for everybody.

00:35:08.280 Lucy, Luke T says, I'm fed up with conservatives infighting while communists and alien terrorists

00:35:15.720 are literally killing us. We're addicted to losing. Well, the thing is with that, I agree.

00:35:20.760 I agree. The problem is, Tucker just tries to have Nick on to have a normal, reasonable discussion,

00:35:29.080 and then all of the Seth, Dylan, Joel, Barry, Dinesh D'Souza types go insane and continue trying to

00:35:36.760 gatekeep him. When, as Nick pointed out, if they hadn't had such a hysterical reaction all the way

00:35:42.760 back in 2016 in the first place, they might have been able to fold him into the movement in a way

00:35:47.640 that they could have had him be like a Charlie Kirk-esque figure if they had just managed him properly.

00:35:52.920 But a lot of these center-right Con Inc. figures are just completely losing control of the situation

00:35:58.520 and losing control of how to handle themselves when these situations pop up.

00:36:03.160 Yeah, and they see Fuentes as the enemy. In that video I was playing, he goes on to say,

00:36:06.840 ultimately, we wanted to debate Charlie Kirk and we wanted him on our side. We'd shake hands with him

00:36:12.040 at the end of the debate. And actually, we still wanted to debate. They see Fuentes as much more

00:36:15.960 of an enemy than the left, but the left are now killing people. The left are moving into terrorism.

00:36:19.880 And ultimately, however extreme Nick seems in his views and his off-colour humour,

00:36:24.440 he still wants to debate. And he still felt terrible when Charlie Kirk died. So it is different.

00:36:29.160 It is still, I think that they are still on your side. And as Matt Walsh says,

00:36:33.240 no enemies to the right sort of thing. He's going to side with them. But everyone's asked,

00:36:36.120 no, no, you must condemn the right. But as you said, more so than the left. So it's just a new

00:36:40.840 alignment. You almost have to accept these people are just on a different side because they won't debate.

00:36:45.080 Ultimately, these people are cringe liberals.

00:36:52.760 Quite authoritarian though as well. Quite woke.

00:36:54.520 Yeah. Of a similar stripe, ultimately, in where they think society should go. They say conservatism is

00:37:02.360 progressivism doing the speed limit. And that's what you've always got to keep in mind. Ultimately,

00:37:07.080 they want to go for the same destination, which is this kind of big, open, multicultural, tolerant

00:37:15.000 society. But they just disagree with the methods of getting there. Whereas ultimately, that's not

00:37:20.600 what I want. I don't want the ultimate society. I don't want tolerance. People forget what tolerance

00:37:26.120 means. Tolerance doesn't mean you like something or celebrate it. It means you put up with something

00:37:30.600 because you think it's bad, but you have to put up with it. I don't think that's good within society.

00:37:36.360 We all have to constantly tolerate these sick, degenerate freaks, especially when our family's

00:37:41.560 dead. You know what though? It's a massive debate, but I feel like Charlie Kirk didn't want that.

00:37:44.840 I think he was very strong on Christian principles. So I feel like he was sort of more based and

00:37:49.800 getting more based. He was moving on the Israel question, people claim. But the people who are

00:37:56.680 using his name and saying they speak for him, they are more in the sort of...

00:38:00.440 I think it's also a generational thing. Right.

00:38:02.760 I think it's a generational thing. Like Dinesh D'Souza, obviously old school con ink. He's one

00:38:09.400 of the ones who helped to get Sam Francis barred from the conservative movement in the first place

00:38:14.680 in the 1990s. He was a direct part of the National Review purge that William Buckley did in 1992 or 1994.

00:38:23.240 Seth Dillon, Joel Berry, as far as I'm concerned, these people are morons and shouldn't be taken

00:38:28.920 seriously in the first place. But it's a generational thing. Charlie Kirk was part of the younger

00:38:34.280 generations. And I think we're going to see more and more of this kind of rightward movement within

00:38:39.240 those generations.

00:38:40.200 Yeah. And it's a pity about Babylon Bee because that was funny. But when it becomes obvious,

00:38:43.640 they just espouse one particular position. When they're attacking power, which is the woke

00:38:47.640 absurdity of the woke regime, it was funny. But when you're taking such a clear side like

00:38:53.080 so pure Zionist, because that is quite a powerful position because they are leveling another country,

00:38:58.200 it's not quite as funny. You know, it could be funny if they took the piss out of Israel and

00:39:01.880 Palestine. But now it just doesn't work at all because you know where they're coming from. Anyway,

00:39:05.480 that's a side point.

00:39:06.200 Last one I'll read for right now. Cuban Heels Beer Belly for $20 says,

00:39:11.000 Fantastic episode, guys. Thank you very much. Here's one for Harry. Why do you think all the

00:39:14.680 best newer post-Brexit bands are consistently a bunch of leftists? Sleaford Mods, HMLTD,

00:39:19.560 Folly Group, Black MIDI, etc. I think you're missing out idols from there because they are definitely

00:39:23.400 one of those. It's like it's a requirement. Well, as I've discussed before, the music industry is a

00:39:29.320 club and you have to gain entry into the club. We've got democratized system now that you've got the

00:39:35.800 internet. But still, access to promotions and platforms means that you need to have the right

00:39:41.480 opinions. I got cancelled out of the music industry in England because of the fact that I worked this

00:39:46.440 job despite the fact that I kept the two completely separate from one another. So it's not a neutral

00:39:51.320 system. The people in charge of facilitating your success have these anti-Brexit opinions,

00:39:58.600 have these incredible left-wing opinions. That's why these bands get promoted. As well as that,

00:40:03.240 again, I think all of those bands that you're pointing to are mid or older millennial bands.

00:40:09.800 So again, I wonder if it'll change as the generations progress and move on. And can confirm

00:40:15.080 the comedy industry is exactly the same, by the way. Yeah. People think that they see these people

00:40:19.960 on stage because they've earned it because they're just the best for the job. This comedian is up here

00:40:25.080 because he's the funniest. This band is up here because they write the best songs. You have no idea the

00:40:30.920 wealth of art that has been kept from you because some snooty stage manager, some snooty booker,

00:40:38.520 some snooty agent decided that they didn't like you because of your opinions.

00:40:44.520 And in the case of something like theatre as well, an entire arts council entirely dedicated to basically

00:40:51.560 handing out money to woke nonsense and withholding it from anything that is genuinely dissident.

00:40:57.640 And in the case of comedy, an entire BBC that you're paying for as well. Yeah. And again,

00:41:02.120 even with the lower level music scene, it acts as a cartel of all of the venues. They can stay in

00:41:07.560 touch with one another and communicate with one another. And they say, you know, these guys have

00:41:12.200 this member in it. You don't want to platform them. So just don't put them on. And all of a sudden,

00:41:15.720 you can't play anywhere. Anyway, let's move on. So let's talk about the newest farce in UK politics,

00:41:23.080 a big event that's gone on over the past week. And it is, of course, relating to the Epping situation.

00:41:29.160 We had Callum from Epping on a few months ago. Really fantastic guy. He was arrested because of

00:41:34.840 his involvement in the Epping protests. And this is all related to the man who was the cause of the

00:41:41.400 Epping protests. And the misadventures and farce that he's gone through over the past week. First,

00:41:57.240 though, you may have heard it mentioned in the Super Chats, but I will just promote it here.

00:42:01.480 Yesterday, Samson and I launched our new series, Journey to the East, with a special Halloween

00:42:06.360 discussion of the Silent Hill horror video game franchise. This was freemium. The rest of the

00:42:13.320 series will be premium. So you will need to be subscribed to watch any subsequent episodes.

00:42:17.560 But this one is free and available to anybody who visits the website. So please go and visit that

00:42:23.000 and watch it. I think we had a really good discussion and it was almost three hours long. And it's still

00:42:27.000 not really over because we need to do a part two, but we'll save that for some other time. So please

00:42:32.760 watch that. I think you'll really enjoy it, especially if you're a fan of the series.

00:42:37.160 So just a reminder that what happened was that this Hadish Kibatu assaulted a 14-year-old girl.

00:42:45.000 He saw her coming out of her school and talking with a friend while they were both in their school

00:42:49.720 uniforms. So it's clear that she was underage and he went up, tried to touch her, tried to kiss her,

00:42:54.760 tried to say that he wanted her and her friend to have his children. This led to wide-scale protests

00:43:02.680 across Epping. He was being held as part of the asylum hotel, which was the Bell Hotel.

00:43:07.640 It was right around the corner from the school. Right around the corner from the school.

00:43:11.000 And those protests were being led by Callum, who's a very good man friend of the show.

00:43:16.360 They eventually managed to get the council. They put pressure on the council to find out that

00:43:22.680 actually, all of the paperwork that was needed for this hotel to be used as an asylum hotel in

00:43:28.040 the first place was wrong. They had all the paperwork wrong, so the local council had decided,

00:43:32.680 all right, we'll move them all out. We won't have an asylum hotel in this little town of Epping

00:43:38.280 right around the corner from a school anymore. Well, the Home Office decided that the asylum

00:43:43.960 seekers' rights trumped the rights of the people in Epping, so they had to stay there. And that was

00:43:49.400 something that got passed by the judge. They decided, screw you. Potential rapists have to

00:43:55.160 live in your neighbourhood because of the ECHR or something.

00:43:59.000 Overruled the previous judge. Extraordinary. Yes. And there was the situation where people

00:44:04.440 were saying, oh, you're racist for even thinking that this guy did this in the first place.

00:44:08.600 Obviously, this was some kind of racist canard that they made up so that they had to have an excuse

00:44:13.720 to protest outside the asylum seeker hotel because the people of Epping were just so racist.

00:44:18.680 No, actually. No, actually. He was eventually convicted. He was convicted at the beginning of

00:44:23.400 September. He was only charged and given 12 months by the judge, which was actually

00:44:28.280 a lesser sentence than some of the protesters at Epping got when they were arrested.

00:44:33.720 But, you know, some kind of justice was served. So he was serving time in prison. Except,

00:44:41.320 earlier on this week, he accidentally got released from jail.

00:44:45.880 Well, they just misplaced him. Oops, I've accidentally let a rapist go. That's just what the prisons

00:44:55.800 in the UK do now. And it only gets more ridiculous.

00:44:59.000 Oh, it gets more and more ridiculous. So let's go into the details of what happened. So he was meant

00:45:06.520 to be sent to an immigration detention centre to be deported within days, but was accidentally

00:45:12.440 freed instead. He was released on the expectation that he would be picked up by immigration enforcement

00:45:19.160 for deportation due on a flight out of the country within days. He was jailed after he was found

00:45:25.560 guilty of touching and trying to kiss the school girl. He targeted her only eight days after arriving

00:45:30.280 in the UK on a dinghy pack with migrants. Couldn't even wait for a fortnight to pass before he decided

00:45:35.080 to try and assault a young girl. And he'd only been in prison for four weeks after being jailed on

00:45:40.600 the 23rd of September. So they just, they were going to deport him. They expected some immigration

00:45:48.680 enforcement to show up outside and take him away. So they just walked him through the front door,

00:45:56.040 uncuffed him and said, wait here, please. And then nobody showed up.

00:46:00.200 Yeah. And it's even more ridiculous because he said, I think I'm supposed to be in jail.

00:46:04.440 I don't know if you're getting onto that, but are you getting that? Yeah.

00:46:06.840 That's what I'm saying. There's so many ridiculous details.

00:46:08.440 I don't know. So there was, there was footage. And if I play this, I won't. Yeah. There was

00:46:13.640 footage caught of him, a three minute walk away from the local police station, showing him talking

00:46:19.240 to these random people. He just, he just, after waiting around for a little bit, he just shrugged

00:46:23.560 his shoulders and went, okay, I guess I'm free now. Can you point me in the direction of the

00:46:27.960 nearest primary school, please? Not exactly the fugitive, is it? He's just openly like, not even

00:46:33.480 hiding. He's just wondering about, he's still in his prison tracksuit. Yeah, I know.

00:46:37.160 And he, it was understood that he was listed as an escape risk.

00:46:42.200 Well, I mean, great job with that one, boys. The number of prisoners, there's, there's even worse,

00:46:47.640 because this Sun article, if you scrolled around, has this little inset here,

00:46:51.880 which tells you that this is actually a far more widespread problem than you would hope.

00:46:56.200 You would hope that this never happens. But actually, it's, it happens a lot in England,

00:47:00.680 in the UK, and it gets worse, right? The number of prisoners released in error more than doubled in

00:47:06.120 the year to March 2025 government data shows. A report by His Majesty's Prison and Probation Service

00:47:12.760 said that 262 prisoners were released in error from April 2024 to March 2025, up from 115 in the year to

00:47:21.400 March 2024. HMPPS said that the report that release, um, said in the report that releases in error

00:47:28.840 remain infrequent and believes the rise is linked to changes in the law and the early release scheme

00:47:33.880 which Labour introduced in September 2024. So that early release scheme has not only meant that they

00:47:40.040 are only having to serve 40 percent of their sentence instead of 50 percent, which is still

00:47:46.280 not great. It also means that the people having to enforce that are confused and are now accidentally

00:47:53.720 letting criminals go. By mistake. Like, are you serious? This is the country that I live in.

00:48:03.080 It's all so much worse. It's like that Tom Cruise quote in the first Mission Impossible,

00:48:06.840 relax. It's much worse than you think. Yeah. Thousands of inmates have been freed

00:48:11.560 early since then in a bid to cut jail overcrowding, but to make sure that, you know, there's room for

00:48:16.600 patriots. Uh, by temporarily reducing the proportion of sentences to blah blah blah blah, a number of

00:48:22.200 262 were released in error when the early release scheme began because of an issue with a repealed

00:48:29.320 breach of restraining order offence. Most of them do get rearrested, but the fact that even for any

00:48:35.800 amount of time dangerous people are back on the streets before they've served their full sentence

00:48:41.560 less than reassuring. Less than reassuring. And for the bigger details that you were saying here at

00:48:46.680 the beginning of this article from The Guardian, they point out, um, maybe the most gobsmacking

00:48:51.880 detail about the accidental release of Kibatu from HMP Chelmsford was this, from a delivery driver who was

00:48:58.200 delivering equipment to the prison as he left. Kibatu, who was serving a sentence for sexual assault,

00:49:02.840 was due to be deported, appeared baffled as he walked free and lingered outside the gates for an

00:49:08.200 hour and a half before heading away. They were basically sending him away saying, go,

00:49:12.920 you've been released, you go, the driver told Sky News. He kept scratching his head and saying,

00:49:18.600 where do I go? Where do I go? That's a good question.

00:49:22.600 Yeah. They, he should, uh, they should give him a job at the home office because he's more

00:49:26.040 responsible than them. He's like, hang on guys. I think I should probably be in jail. Someone like me.

00:49:31.480 You're really going to trust me on the streets? I wouldn't trust me on the streets. He should be

00:49:36.280 the new enforcer of people like him just locking up all the illegals. He's even done an interview,

00:49:41.240 hasn't he? He did a TV. He did a Sky News interview, which I've got, I've got a little bit of it.

00:49:45.880 And, uh, yeah, and here's some more footage that was found of him. This was...

00:49:51.960 Oh, it's, it's the same, sorry. It's the same footage that Sky News used. But then he was also,

00:49:56.120 they, they like had a, a tracking. They, they were able to track his every move with great accuracy

00:50:03.080 because he was not hiding. He was not, like you say, the fugitive. He was wondering about,

00:50:08.120 somehow got a hold of himself an avocado tote bag. A distinctive avocado tote bag.

00:50:15.000 Something you'd like to find in Hackney. Yeah. Yeah. Just a hipster. Yeah. Yeah.

00:50:18.920 And it got to the point where... Same views as the average hipster. Because,

00:50:22.120 yeah, because of the fact that he was so obvious and not trying to hide himself,

00:50:26.360 you can actually, if you want, take the walking slash pub crawl tour,

00:50:31.160 following in, following the footsteps of the legendary fugitive, Hamish Kebabtu.

00:50:38.040 And, uh, this is where people have noted that he had been spotted. So the confirmed

00:50:41.640 locations were, this was before he was caught, HMP Chelmsford, then Chelmsford Prep,

00:50:47.000 Chelmsford Station, Stratford Station, Dalston Square Library, and Finsbury Park.

00:50:51.560 Oh, and that's near me as all disturbing.

00:50:53.320 I think Finsbury Park is where he eventually got picked up.

00:50:56.120 Yeah, it was, it was me. I was like...

00:50:59.880 Now, I know you don't want to, you might have to arrest this, you know...

00:51:04.360 Fine, I'll do it myself.

00:51:05.640 I just think everyone with an avocado bag should be arrested, so it's a blanket policy.

00:51:09.720 You're like Batman, you descend from the shadows to assault them at night in a, in a bad outfit.

00:51:15.160 Yeah.

00:51:16.120 It's, uh, for his own personal enjoyment. And, um, then, like you say, he did an interview

00:51:20.920 after they re-arrested him. And he said...

00:51:23.400 With Aaron Bastard, you know, that'd be funny. Navara Media, what's, what's your view?

00:51:28.040 And he, uh, he said this.

00:51:29.080 Saturday, Saturday, Saturday, I get a police. Look here.

00:51:32.200 Police, I am wanted man. I arrested. I will give you my hand. Please help him. Where is the police

00:51:36.280 station? He ignored me. He drive. But also, I am not unknown, uh, the police station. Where is the

00:51:43.720 place? I am not going to eat. But also, I get the police. I will give you my hand. Please help me.

00:51:48.280 Where is the police station? Take me. My name is Hadish Kouatu. I am national of Ethiopia police.

00:51:53.800 I want the mystic release from transport prison. Please help me.

00:52:00.600 So, according to his version of events, and Sky News gave him an interview.

00:52:05.000 Yeah. By the way, they set up, they set up this interview. They thought, well,

00:52:08.520 what's his side of the story? Exactly. He's a more complicated figure

00:52:11.640 than you might think. All that sort of... Oh, yeah.

00:52:13.800 It's like the Shamir Shmima Begum BBC documentary.

00:52:16.760 What we haven't heard a lot about is his childhood. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:52:20.440 Why did you, Saltless, go, oh, this is what I do? Yes.

00:52:24.040 Can you give us something else that we can use on this liberal media?

00:52:26.680 The rapist had such a strong sense of justice. He tried to hand himself in.

00:52:31.720 He enjoyed avocados and law and order. Yeah, just when they eventually do the

00:52:36.440 documentary, they're going to have a lot of work putting the, like,

00:52:39.000 heartbreaking piano tracks underneath him, going, I like rape girl.

00:52:42.520 Sad piano. He'd only been in the country two weeks, but he was frustrated.

00:52:46.840 You know those ones that try and claim they got their... That was the German excuse.

00:52:51.320 Right, right, right. Yeah.

00:52:52.360 I was so frustrated with the systemic inequalities that I saw everywhere that I had to do something

00:52:57.640 with the sad piano track. The other thing is the patronising.

00:53:00.360 Many of them don't understand normal morality. You know what I mean?

00:53:03.000 It's that kind of like, they don't realise this is wrong.

00:53:05.160 Many of them don't realise that assaulting young girls is bad.

00:53:08.920 Yeah, and so therefore in their culture, is it really? It's that kind of thing.

00:53:13.080 Yeah, they do that. But according to his story, he was actually trying to hand himself back in.

00:53:18.600 And I think the reason was that supposedly he actually wanted to be deported back to Ethiopia.

00:53:23.480 He'd been in England for less than two weeks and he decided, nah.

00:53:27.080 Yeah.

00:53:27.480 Nah, this is shithole. Send me back to Ethiopia, please.

00:53:32.040 But then you find out that even worse, like, to make him leave,

00:53:36.760 they gave him 500 quid. They asked him to pocket 500 quid. Listen, mate, we want to deport you.

00:53:43.400 We know that you're a sex criminal. We know that we accidentally released you from prison.

00:53:49.080 How can we make this even dumber? How can we really make it so that we are the dumbest,

00:53:53.960 most useless and ineffective law enforcement the world has ever seen,

00:53:59.480 is we will give you 500 quid to piss off, mate?

00:54:03.240 Yeah. As a re-migration policy in general, countries in Europe have done this.

00:54:07.320 It's not a terrible idea. But for the individual guy who's a sex offender, as you say,

00:54:11.160 bribing him is just inherently distasteful, as well as being comic, darkly comic.

00:54:15.640 Didn't Shaban and Mahmood say something like, oh, I pulled every lever, you know,

00:54:20.360 to make sure that this guy was deployed? It's like, okay, well, can you pull those

00:54:23.000 levers like two million more times then?

00:54:25.240 Oh, it'll have to be more than that.

00:54:26.440 If you've shown that the levers work...

00:54:28.840 It can be done, yeah. It's just 500 quid. Okay, we'll pay that.

00:54:31.640 500 per, all right.

00:54:33.160 Yeah, can we negotiate on this?

00:54:34.360 That's less than we're spending right now.

00:54:35.960 Yeah.

00:54:36.280 Yeah, so he was put on a flight on Tuesday and landed the following morning.

00:54:40.920 The payment was made by the removal team as an alternative to a slower and more expensive

00:54:45.720 process, according to Keir Starmer's spokesman. He said that Kabatu was forcibly deported and

00:54:53.480 accompanied by five escorts on the flight. There was concern that it would cost much more to rebook

00:54:59.640 flights running into several thousands of pounds and it might have led to expensive legal action.

00:55:04.840 Sources say the decision to make the payment was made by the removal team and not ministers.

00:55:10.360 So apparently this guy, like this one guy, posts so much of a threat to the five escorts that if

00:55:18.200 he kicked up a fuss that they might not be able to put him on the plane and they might end up having

00:55:23.240 to rebook it. And who knows, it might need to go through another court trial. It'll cost thousands

00:55:27.640 and thousands of taxpayer money. So then you just give him 500 quid and let him go on his way.

00:55:33.960 Why do we accept this? Why do we accept this as the way that the system has to work?

00:55:37.720 That one guy can have such a farce around him, can go on a little adventure by himself after

00:55:44.840 accidentally being released from prison. As if this is some kind of whimsical Paddington fairy tale.

00:55:51.000 Right? And then he's such a threat to these five people that we pay him off. He should never have

00:55:58.520 been here in the first place. He was here less than two weeks and assaulted a young girl.

00:56:03.960 And then this is the system, this is the absolute, this is the trial that we have to go through to

00:56:11.640 even get him out of our country. He'll probably be back in a few months when he takes the dinghy ride

00:56:16.760 over again. At which point, what do we give him off? Grand this time, mate, will that keep you out for

00:56:22.680 good? Like what's, what's, what's the end, what's the end goal look like, right? And, and then Kabatu

00:56:30.360 arrived in Ethiopia's capital on Wednesday and was briefly held by officers before being released.

00:56:36.360 There was no legal basis for his continued detention, according to the Ethiopian Federal Police

00:56:41.480 communications. So according to the Ethiopian Federal Police, this guy who assaulted a 14 year old,

00:56:48.920 according to their laws, yeah. Yeah, well let them do what they want in their, in their bleephole

00:56:55.240 countries as long as they're not in our country. I mean, I can live with that. 500 quid, send them

00:56:58.760 back, they can decide whether they're criminals or not. Yeah, but why we should accept these people

00:57:02.280 in the first place when apparently to them assaulting a 14 year old isn't worth holding,

00:57:06.840 holding them in prison for. Cultural differences. It is absolutely ridiculous. And while this,

00:57:11.320 while this story is such a farce that it is funny, it is important to remember this is the system that

00:57:17.640 we live under that facilitates these people getting into the country, tries to enforce them staying in

00:57:23.960 the country, so that they can do what this guy did. So that they can threaten, harass, assault your

00:57:31.400 little girls. Just keep that in mind. Says we gave a hundred million in new aid to Ethiopia last year.

00:57:41.240 No strings, maybe keep your rapists in your own country attached to that.

00:57:45.560 All right, let's go through the Super Chats and Rumble Rants.

00:57:50.600 Kalev Knight says, I believe Games Workshop wants to make a woke hell out of Warhammer 40k,

00:57:55.880 but have fundamentally anti-progressive settings. The future regimes want to be pro-

00:58:01.560 I really don't get what you're trying to say there, Kalev, that's a bit strangely worded,

00:58:05.880 but thank you for the dollar anyway. Habsification sends two in saying, Harry,

00:58:10.040 have you seen Kojima's new game? He's working on the game. It's called OD Knock.

00:58:13.800 The trailer looks very realistic, looks like he's finally getting his PT game made.

00:58:17.480 That would be very interesting, especially now that Konami has set the series up so that

00:58:21.240 you can slap the Silent Hill title on anything to make it sell. And he also says, but guys,

00:58:26.760 don't you know, because of the levels of inequality and socio-economic conditions,

00:58:29.720 Kabatu had to sexually assault. It's like not getting food or something.

00:58:33.640 Yeah, what do you want for him to actually die or something?

00:58:37.720 There's an argument. Engaged few 124 grains is far cheaper than 500 quid.

00:58:43.800 True. I'll go through some of the superchats.

00:58:46.920 Karl Leggett, G-H-Y YouTube, is heckin' holding me back.

00:58:52.120 How do we as English move any forward considering people stand in the way?

00:58:57.160 Are there any solutions for said people?

00:59:00.040 I really don't know what you're asking me there, bro.

00:59:02.520 Iron Bean, Imperial thought of the day. The wage of negligence is utter destruction.

00:59:06.760 Seems relevant in this whole situation. Yeah.

00:59:09.720 Void Soul, if I had a nickel for every time I accidentally released a sex pest in society,

00:59:13.800 I'd be broke because it shouldn't happen in the first place, but instead I have a room full of nickels.

00:59:19.000 Kabatu reminds me of a rapey Forrest Gump.

00:59:22.520 Yeah, I can kind of see that, actually.

00:59:24.840 Yeah. Chris H.

00:59:26.200 On Forrest.

00:59:27.080 Oh, no.

00:59:28.840 Tucker interviewing Nick is literally the end of the world, but Sky interviewing a condicted sex offender is fine.

00:59:34.040 Makes sense. Yeah, it's absurd that Sky decided, you know, we need to hear the other side.

00:59:39.000 Yeah, we want to give Sky a platform. Should he get a platformer, guys? That's just promoting.

00:59:42.920 You know, did they challenge his ideas sufficiently with Seth Dillon to approve of it?

00:59:46.840 All we're suggesting is some healthy gatekeeping.

00:59:49.400 Yeah. And with that, let's talk about Tolkien.

00:59:52.120 Yeah. All right, then. Well, last segment on a Friday.

00:59:55.800 Let's just have a nice, enjoyable chat about Tolkien, shall we?

00:59:59.000 Let's rehash a segment we've... I'm joking.

01:00:01.480 Well, here's the thing, you see. I...

01:00:03.640 Not many people know this, but I happen to love Tolkien's works intensely. I'm a huge fan.

01:00:08.840 I thought you were more of a Martin guy.

01:00:10.280 No, no, I've written several pieces for Islander, and yeah, I've just...

01:00:15.480 Sorry. What's that?

01:00:16.280 Oh, I'll explain to you later.

01:00:17.640 But yes, as you can, as you cuttingly pointed out, we did have a Tolkien segment earlier last week, hosted by Josh.

01:00:27.000 Very splendid segment. And so we've had one segment, yes. But what about second segment?

01:00:32.440 You know what? You still won't be milking it as much as the Hobbit movie, which was three unnecessarily long movies.

01:00:37.320 Right. That was supposed to be two.

01:00:39.240 So, you know... One would have been sufficient.

01:00:40.520 Well, I know.

01:00:41.080 They added characters. That pale guy barely gets a mention in the book.

01:00:44.200 Yeah.

01:00:44.520 You know what I mean? So this won't be anyone who is self-adopted as that.

01:00:46.920 The pale orc.

01:00:48.280 Oh, yeah.

01:00:49.000 Not really.

01:00:49.320 The CGI pale orc guy, yeah.

01:00:52.360 He should have been dead before the events of the world.

01:00:55.000 They added an elf-hobbit romance subplot as well in those films.

01:00:59.000 Oh, God. Don't remind me how bad those films were.

01:01:01.960 Right. Well, we're not going to talk about those.

01:01:03.400 What we're going to talk about is Tolkien himself and his ideas that are shown throughout the Lord of the Rings.

01:01:09.640 Because Josh talks about here some of the great character journeys that Tolkien writes for his heroes, such as Theoden and such as the Hobbits, of course.

01:01:19.320 And so I wanted to really talk about some of the broader themes in terms of justice and kingship, right?

01:01:27.720 And what Tolkien clearly sees as the virtues.

01:01:30.760 And so we want to start here, though.

01:01:33.480 Because even though this is obviously a total S-post from Homeland Security and…

01:01:38.200 They've been doing a lot of them.

01:01:39.800 Yes, and has nothing to actually reflect the number of deportations, right?

01:01:45.640 Okay, so…

01:01:46.200 I've not looked into what the numbers are.

01:01:47.720 Their media is one thing, and how well they're actually upholding these ideas are totally separate.

01:01:54.520 That's not what this is about.

01:01:56.040 The point is, there won't be a Shire Pippin is a very, very stern warning, obviously, about what happens

01:02:04.680 when you allow evil to just run totally rampant in your society.

01:02:11.080 And not only that…

01:02:12.120 What do you mean?

01:02:12.680 If a load of orcs move in and they just keep calling themselves Hobbits,

01:02:17.480 if you just say that the orcs are Hobbits and they live in the Shire, that makes them Hobbits, right?

01:02:22.200 Yeah, they're citizens of the Shire.

01:02:24.200 Well, maybe under Saruman's…

01:02:26.680 Yeah, I don't think Tolkien sees it that way.

01:02:28.760 Yeah.

01:02:29.320 And so, obviously, but this spawned the great, as Middle-earth Mixer points out here,

01:02:35.400 another two straight days of arguing with libs about media literacy.

01:02:39.080 I'm so excited.

01:02:40.440 Me too, Mixer.

01:02:41.640 That's why we're going to do it.

01:02:42.840 He actually means it as well, because he'll be getting numbers off of those arguments.

01:02:46.040 Yeah, yeah.

01:02:46.440 Well, I mean, he deserves them.

01:02:47.560 He's a great account.

01:02:49.160 But you go on to…

01:02:50.120 I mean, obviously, we on the right have been memeing the Lord of the Rings for years and years now.

01:02:55.560 You know, such as Boromir in Hot Water for saying Minas Morgul

01:02:59.080 is no longer a Gondorian city, even as it's obviously inhabited by…

01:03:03.000 Oh, but Grima Wormtongue said this incredibly diverse city is Lord Saruman's greatest strength.

01:03:08.040 I also think that someone living in Minas Tirith shouldn't be allowed to comment on Minas Morgul's

01:03:12.040 affairs unless they say things we like and agree with.

01:03:14.280 There you go.

01:03:14.840 Very Wormtongue thing to say.

01:03:16.280 Yep.

01:03:16.680 And another one, obviously, one in three orcs at the gates goes hungry,

01:03:20.760 and it's time to stop the siege.

01:03:23.480 And so, obviously, you have a particular type of person, right, who…

01:03:28.360 So, I as an atheist…

01:03:30.280 I've just noticed the writer of the article as well.

01:03:32.280 Yes.

01:03:32.920 Bullbeer Ruby Rattler.

01:03:34.280 They always have the greatest names.

01:03:36.280 They really do.

01:03:37.160 Actual Guardian columnist, in fact.

01:03:40.760 I wouldn't be shocked.

01:03:41.720 Yeah, yeah, there's several articles.

01:03:43.080 Check it out.

01:03:43.960 And so, all I was going to say, though, is that I, as a stuffy, boring atheist, right,

01:03:50.920 I am not pretending…

01:03:52.200 Yeah, I'm always shocked when you say that, because I just can't take

01:03:55.560 in that you're an atheist.

01:03:56.440 But, um…

01:03:57.480 Maybe address that.

01:03:58.360 I'm sorry.

01:04:01.000 I'll have a stern word with myself later.

01:04:03.320 But the point is, right, that I am not looking at Tolkien's works and trying to go,

01:04:08.440 hmm, how can I see this through an atheist lens, right?

01:04:11.480 No, it's a fundamentally Catholic piece of work.

01:04:16.360 And sometimes you just have to view things authentically, as they were intended to be,

01:04:22.040 and read into the messages that are obvious and self-evident throughout, not only the Lord

01:04:28.680 of the Rings, but the entire work of Tolkien.

01:04:32.520 And didn't he famously say something like, at first, by accident, but then deliberately in revision?

01:04:36.360 Yes. Yes. And this grapples with it, particularly during the time of the Third Age, in the time

01:04:42.600 of the Lord of the Rings, because when you look at the people of Gondor, or Rohan, or even the

01:04:47.560 dwarves of Erebor, you see that they have no actual formal religion. There are no religious

01:04:52.520 ceremonies. They live in a kind of pagan world. But that doesn't take away from the fact that they

01:04:58.280 are… their lives are still governed by sort of like the divine metaphysics.

01:05:02.360 Yeah. Going back to the one who created the universe. The one, yeah. The classic BBC

01:05:07.240 interview with Tolkien, which everyone should listen to, when he says to him, the guy goes,

01:05:10.120 but they're not really… they're not religious, are they? And he says that God's hardly mentioned,

01:05:13.880 except the one. And Tolkien does concede, he goes, you're just the one who's mentioned.

01:05:17.320 So he's mentioned briefly the idea of a God, which is the one, but they don't have… they don't…

01:05:22.920 as the interview points out, they don't sort of swear on their gods. They talk about their

01:05:26.360 swords and things instead. So he couldn't give… he said it wouldn't have worked to sort

01:05:30.120 of give them more religions. Anyway. Yeah. And one of his critiques,

01:05:33.800 just to say, of C.S. Lewis and the Chronicles of Narnia was the fact that Aslan is just Jesus.

01:05:39.640 The fact that you actually have Father Christmas in the story itself. And so…

01:05:44.680 He was critical of the fact that the allegory was not just there, but that it was so obvious and

01:05:49.480 overt. Yes.

01:05:50.440 He also thought it was too mixed. And also he hated out allegory, didn't he? In that interview,

01:05:54.040 he says he goes, I'm entirely historically minded. He doesn't like allegory at all. He sees it as a history.

01:05:58.760 Yeah. Go on.

01:06:00.200 No, absolutely. But it's not just the literary critics on Twitter, of course. It's actors who

01:06:07.800 are in the films who don't understand the actual characters. And it's a great disappointment to me,

01:06:15.080 because I wish he was as cool as his film counterpart, but I suppose that's the nature of actors, really.

01:06:20.520 I dislike that this implies that Viggo Mortensen was playing the part at the end of Return of the

01:06:25.800 the King, where he sits at the throne, thinking in character as Aragorn. Time to begin accepting

01:06:31.720 Orc refugees.

01:06:32.840 Right, right.

01:06:34.280 Like a Boris Johnson-esque flip.

01:06:36.680 Right.

01:06:37.240 Betrayal.

01:06:38.280 But this was in response to when you see this from many years ago now, but when the Vox Party were

01:06:45.720 basically using Aragorn in some of their campaign material, basically saying Aragorn represents

01:06:51.160 enlightened monarchy. He represents protecting the good. And a fundamental part of the good is,

01:06:58.120 of course, demographics. Right. It means the people of Gondor are the people of Gondor,

01:07:04.440 and they're not fighting to become multicultural realms of tolerance.

01:07:09.160 That's where you're wrong. According to Mortensen, he was playing it with the

01:07:13.720 pure focus on GDP.

01:07:15.720 Right.

01:07:16.040 I just love just once an actor to come out and say, yeah, yeah, of course, I'm for absolute

01:07:19.800 monarchy and the old hierarchies. And yeah, I applaud what Vox are doing, because in many ways.

01:07:25.960 I wish the King of Spain had more power, actually.

01:07:28.920 Just once, just one actor. Probably like, what's his name would do it. His name's gone out of my head.

01:07:33.960 Vincent Gallo. He would say that, but he was sort of semi-banned from Hollywood because of those.

01:07:38.680 John Voight. John Voight? Yeah, he might say it. And James Woods might say it. There's like a handful.

01:07:44.440 Yeah. Maybe Rob Schneider these days.

01:07:47.080 Yeah, yeah. Maybe Mel Gibson would say it.

01:07:49.560 Yes, Gibson would say it.

01:07:50.360 He would say a lot.

01:07:51.000 He would say a lot of things.

01:07:52.680 I think, which was one of the pythons who's dead now?

01:07:58.760 The one who would play the piano in some sketches. I've forgotten his name.

01:08:01.800 Well, Graham Chapman and Terry Jones are the two.

01:08:04.440 Terry Jones. Right.

01:08:05.240 Terry Jones. There's an old interview with him from like the 70s or the 80s with Terry Wogan,

01:08:10.520 where he characterizes himself as a reactionary.

01:08:13.800 And he talks about how much he loves the idea and idealisms of medieval England,

01:08:19.400 and wishes that we could return to those.

01:08:21.480 Wow.

01:08:21.880 Which is interesting coming from a python.

01:08:23.480 Yeah, especially when you see the slot that John Cleese posts these days.

01:08:26.280 I mean, he did say London is no longer an English city, but now he's just gone full.

01:08:29.080 And everything since then has been, and I don't want to fix it.

01:08:32.360 Yeah, he's gone full Polanski.

01:08:34.040 But anyway, I digress.

01:08:36.040 Not that or the Polanski.

01:08:38.120 We were talking about a film.

01:08:41.160 Yeah, quick save there.

01:08:42.920 And so you end up, of course, with these sorts of quote tweets,

01:08:46.920 where we've got this alley woman here saying, I think,

01:08:50.440 Tolkien was vehemently anti-Nazi, anti-fascist, and anti-authoritarian.

01:08:55.720 He was critical of authoritarian enforcement, as seen in The Lord of the Rings,

01:09:00.360 where evil forces, not good, enforce strict border controls.

01:09:06.600 Okay, what?

01:09:09.480 I'm just going to go through them.

01:09:10.840 Minas Tirith?

01:09:12.440 Just before you do, I'll give you one, which of course, he had that letter.

01:09:15.400 He was anti-Nazi.

01:09:16.360 There was that letter where they're trying to gauge his sort of Aryan stock,

01:09:19.800 and he basically sends a...

01:09:20.680 About whether they could publish The Hobbit.

01:09:22.360 Yeah, and he sends a letter back basically going,

01:09:24.040 I'm not up for all this nonsense.

01:09:25.240 He was very anti that.

01:09:26.360 That part's true, the rest, and maybe the anti-fascist stuff, but the rest is...

01:09:29.720 Wasn't he a massive supporter of Franco?

01:09:31.720 Yes, yes, because, well, he was tangentially.

01:09:35.080 Obviously, this was one of the things that is revealed in a letter that he wrote to his son,

01:09:41.240 and in letters that came out after his death.

01:09:44.440 But this is another...

01:09:45.240 Isn't that Franco, I'm fair enough?

01:09:46.360 This is another aspect to Tolkien as well, which is that he was an intensely private man.

01:09:53.080 He didn't really want you to understand his work through biographies and TV interviews.

01:09:59.400 Or as an expression of him.

01:10:01.000 He wanted it to stand by itself in the same kind of way that Beowulf.

01:10:05.080 We don't know who the author is, so it stands as its own work representative of a broader culture.

01:10:10.520 Absolutely.

01:10:11.160 And one of the things that you see, and this is a total...

01:10:13.640 You know, like when a friend of the show, Ralph Schollhammer, just says anything that

01:10:18.200 the mid-20th century Germans did is automatically evil.

01:10:21.720 Like, no, having borders is something that every single nation and empire has had for all of time.

01:10:28.520 This is not...

01:10:29.160 Quite famously, Stalin enacted this huge border thing called the Iron Curtain immediately after

01:10:35.080 the Second World War.

01:10:36.120 Yeah.

01:10:36.680 Hitler drank water, it's that kind of thing, isn't it?

01:10:38.600 Yeah, it's similar to Camus in that essay, the second career of Adolf Hitler.

01:10:42.120 You can't do anything if it might be more like Hitler.

01:10:45.560 Right.

01:10:45.960 So you just can't have anything like it.

01:10:47.000 Go on.

01:10:47.320 So let's just refer, shall we, to some of the examples of borders in Middle-earth.

01:10:52.920 We have from the Silmarillion, for example, we have the girdle of Melian, a literal magic shield

01:11:00.760 around the entire realm of Doriath in order to basically keep all foreigners out of it.

01:11:06.680 I love that it literally meant land of the fence.

01:11:09.160 Yes.

01:11:10.440 They were literally named after their border.

01:11:13.400 King Thingol says, we're going to build a fence.

01:11:16.040 Yeah, and then...

01:11:16.840 Big, beautiful fence.

01:11:17.640 We have...

01:11:18.200 We're going to make the orcs pay for it.

01:11:19.480 Yeah.

01:11:19.960 We have the city of Gondolin, which is a city encompassed by a range of mountains,

01:11:25.800 so that it is the hidden city and no foreigner can ever find it.

01:11:30.920 And basically, through this means, they are able to shield themselves from Morgoth.

01:11:36.760 Morgoth cannot find them for centuries and centuries.

01:11:39.960 Interesting...

01:11:40.520 I just wanted to do some gardening.

01:11:42.040 Interesting point as well that Blind Guardian's Mirror Mirror is a song that this is based

01:11:47.640 from.

01:11:47.720 It's a good song.

01:11:48.280 Yeah, fantastic.

01:11:49.560 But then, okay, this is...

01:11:50.440 You need to listen to some Blind Guardian, like I told you last Friday.

01:11:53.560 If it's about this, I will.

01:11:54.840 Okay.

01:11:56.040 It's an entire album about the Silmarillion.

01:11:58.040 Come on.

01:11:58.440 All right.

01:11:59.080 But then, let's talk about...

01:12:00.280 Okay, but that's in the Silmarillion and that wasn't published in his lifetime,

01:12:04.040 so let's talk about The Lord of the Rings.

01:12:05.560 Well, we have...

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01:12:12.280 Uh, Lothlorien.

01:12:14.040 As soon as they get out of Moria and they go to Lothlorien, not only are they deeply distrusted,

01:12:20.600 but the entire fellowship is blindfolded by the elves so that they cannot find their way back into

01:12:28.360 the Karras Galathon once they've left it, right?

01:12:33.960 Like, no.

01:12:34.760 All of these people.

01:12:36.040 You go to, like, the town of Bree as well.

01:12:39.880 There is a constant theme throughout The Lord of the Rings of suspicion of foreigners.

01:12:45.000 This is something that's shown by the hobbits of the Shire.

01:12:47.960 It's something that's shown by the men of Bree.

01:12:49.880 It's something that's shown by the Rohirrim.

01:12:52.120 And this is, in some ways, an aspect of how Sauron has, of course, divided them and stopped

01:12:59.640 them from trusting one another.

01:13:01.560 But the ultimate point is, of course, that throughout the events of The Lord of the Rings,

01:13:06.760 they are not fighting for some multicultural utopia.

01:13:10.760 They are fighting expressly.

01:13:12.280 The hobbits are going to fight so that the Shire can be exactly as they love it and remember it

01:13:18.360 when they return home.

01:13:20.280 Obviously, you have the Scouring of the Shire, which is one of the most important things

01:13:24.280 that Tolkien ever wrote as well.

01:13:25.880 Left out of the film.

01:13:26.840 Yes.

01:13:27.480 And what's more as well, of course, it's exactly the same for the men of Rohan.

01:13:31.800 And of course, Gondor is about reclaiming the might of a lost heritage, right?

01:13:38.440 That the men who and kings fell into folly and were basically subverted by Sauron

01:13:45.640 to lead to an apocalyptic event with the downfall of Númenor.

01:13:50.360 And he subverts all of the institutions.

01:13:53.400 He fills them with his own acolytes and he basically makes the definition of good become

01:13:57.960 evil and he basically dissuades the Númenoreans away from the divine path of friendship with

01:14:04.120 the elves and this results in total annihilation and Aragorn is the restoration of the ancient,

01:14:12.280 of the ancient way.

01:14:14.040 And so all of this, but there's not just the fact that, okay, the nations obviously have borders

01:14:20.200 as well.

01:14:21.080 One of the things to just refer back to, it's okay, what she was saying is the fact that

01:14:29.480 Tolkien understood the importance of homelands, right?

01:14:33.720 And that different people, different races had different homelands and that they had a right

01:14:40.120 to their homeland.

01:14:41.240 And this is something that he shows, even in The Hobbit, a story that is meant primarily for

01:14:46.360 children and is of a much lighter tone. The dwarves of Erebor and their quest to retake their homeland

01:14:54.440 is a just thing because it is being usurped by a villainous, tyrannical dragon who merely wants to

01:15:03.720 extract and sit upon its wealth and resources that it didn't earn and it has no spiritual connection

01:15:11.640 to the actual home. It is...

01:15:15.160 Sounds pretty racist, mate.

01:15:16.280 It doesn't belong there, but then you also look at...

01:15:18.920 Racist for children.

01:15:20.360 You also look at characters like Legolas. Now, Legolas is a really interesting character, actually,

01:15:25.800 because though he is very cool in The Lord of the Rings, surfing on the shield and taking down Mummukil...

01:15:32.120 Not in the books, those parts.

01:15:33.720 Yeah, there is a really interesting strain to Legolas' character, particularly

01:15:40.040 in the books, where you have to remember as well, Legolas is an elf born in Middle-earth itself.

01:15:46.520 All he has ever known is Middle-earth. However, the actual ancestral home of the elves, the Undying

01:15:53.800 Lands, is across the sea. And so as soon as they go through the Pass of the Dead and Aragorn gets the

01:16:01.240 Army of the Dead, that's the first time in Legolas' life that he actually sees the sea. He's only ever

01:16:06.600 seen the land and the rivers and everything before then. And he gets this, what is termed, this sea longing.

01:16:13.720 Because even though he's never been to the Undying Lands, he knows in his heart there is this yearning

01:16:19.240 for Homeland. Have you ever been to the Undying Lands?

01:16:24.360 Have you ever been to the Undying Lands?

01:16:26.360 And this is a really important part to his character. And Legolas' story ends with him

01:16:35.480 giving in to this need and he crafts a ship and sails off to be with his people where he is historically

01:16:44.120 supposed to be. And so Tolkien understood the importance of homelands deeply. And combining

01:16:50.200 this with, of course, his Catholicism, yes, Tolkien did have great contentions with apartheid. Yes,

01:16:58.040 Tolkien had great contention with the way that the Germans treated Jewish refugees and the minority

01:17:06.520 population. But having a sort of Catholic universal compassion for all life is not the same thing as

01:17:16.760 forcing every people into the world, of the world, to inhabit the same spaces and live in the same

01:17:23.720 countries and basically make them into melting pot cities, right? He understood the virtue of...

01:17:29.800 Turning them all into orcs. Right. He understood the virtue of the particular. And so I will just end

01:17:36.600 with this for the sake of time, which is, of course, that another aspect to Tolkien's world that,

01:17:44.360 and I do feel that the films are largely responsible for this misconception, is the idea that the ring is

01:17:52.280 basically trying to just warn you against the danger of seizing power entirely. That what you should

01:17:59.400 do is you should repudiate power. Say, I don't want that. I'm not worthy of it. That's Aragorn's,

01:18:05.240 how they write Aragorn in the film, that those who are to take power, the only people worthy of

01:18:11.080 it are those that don't want it. Whereas actually, when you look at Aragorn's character in the books,

01:18:16.040 this is a man entirely, his destiny is in his blood and his entire life is dedicated to the cause of

01:18:23.880 mending his ancestors' mistakes and basically restoring justice and order to the West.

01:18:31.000 They want to make him a bit more of a reluctant hero in the films. Probably for audience purposes,

01:18:38.280 oh, he'll be more easy to sympathize with if he doesn't accept it straight away. Right.

01:18:43.000 And so you have this aspect as well where the ring is really, in the films, it's got this idea of,

01:18:51.160 well, it's just, you have to repudiate power entirely. But that's not really what the ring is.

01:18:57.240 The ring represents power used to specific ends. And so there is good power, there is a power of

01:19:06.120 Gandalf and Aragorn and the hobbits who basically want to use it to protect and defend what they have.

01:19:14.040 And actually, if you don't step forward and preserve the divine, preserve the good,

01:19:21.000 then evil will fill that vacuum. So you always owe it to yourself to keep evil out of power.

01:19:30.120 And really the struggle, not just of the Lord of the Rings, but Tolkien's entire legendarium can really

01:19:36.440 be summed up in this one particular quote from one of his letters, which is that the struggle is always

01:19:40.920 the same. It is beauty against ruthless ugliness, tyranny against kingship, moderated freedom with

01:19:48.360 consent against compulsion that has long lost any object save mere power. And so this is to me very,

01:19:57.720 very, very clear cut. And what I'm, the point of all of this is simply to say that the leftists can

01:20:05.080 screech about this all they want, but it's just noise, right? Now, I'm not going to say Tolkien would

01:20:17.000 have been in agreement with everything I've said in these past 20 minutes, but I'm pretty certain

01:20:23.720 it'd have agreed with me more than basically what the people arguing against this, what their vision

01:20:30.520 of the good is, what their vision of the future is, because Tolkien wrote that legendarium for the

01:20:36.760 English. And I don't see how he could support or would have bothered to write it for an England in

01:20:44.760 which the English no longer even exist. Yes, I doubt that he had many overlapping social views with

01:20:53.960 fat foreign retards. I don't think so either. So there we are. All right, we'll go through the

01:21:01.080 last few and then see about any written, any video comments. We've got Bearded1, where's William of

01:21:06.040 Orange when you need him? Luke Stewart, good day, I was listening to the Stanford Bridge podcast,

01:21:10.760 I couldn't make it live. I have nothing against the government making memes. The government had

01:21:14.760 old memes like Uncle Sam needs you to fight. Fair play. Uh, Baystate, ah yes, Mustache Man,

01:21:21.000 famous respecter of borders. And, uh, Ryan Hannigan says, in Rings of Power, there is a considerable

01:21:27.080 amount of diversity in the Shires. In Lord of the Rings is a helper ethno-state. Remigration is

01:21:32.040 inevitable. Sorry, can I just say one thing on that as well? It's something I forgot to say,

01:21:36.040 which is that after they win and they restore the Shire after the Scouring, Aragorn protects the Shire

01:21:42.280 as the King. It falls under his jurisdiction. But he has it so that no man may ever enter the Shire.

01:21:49.080 It does basically become an ethno-state where only the elites in the Shire basically give

01:21:56.520 people certain privileges to come and go. But it is, for all intents and purposes, there for all time.

01:22:02.120 I've forgotten that. That's one of my favourite bits when Saruman comes back in the form of Sharky.

01:22:06.200 It's so odd. And he's such a pathetic villain. The Hobbits having been through so much,

01:22:10.040 I know it's also about socialism and things, but Hobbits having been through so much easily defeat

01:22:14.440 him. The other Hobbits are all pathetic. They're like, what, this bloke? And they just easily beat

01:22:18.040 him. That's as I remember. I haven't reread that for a while. It's very based. You also mentioned

01:22:22.040 something about this, like, Rings of Power? Not something I'm aware of. I've never heard of that.

01:22:27.400 Never heard of it. I think you made that up, honestly. Anyway, video comments.

01:22:32.120 By sticking together, those of you who signed up are to be commended. But I warn you,

01:22:39.240 do not underestimate the battle that's about to take place outside those doors.

01:22:44.600 Oh dear.

01:22:48.520 Winter is coming.

01:22:53.560 Yeah, I don't envy those security guards. Not one bit. Nope.

01:22:57.000 A.I. Slop is merely the logical conclusion of clickbait. Videos that are deceptive or

01:23:04.920 sensationalized for the sole purpose of getting views, clicks, and engagement. While I could

01:23:10.280 certainly do such things with my mechwork, clickbait results in the public receiving a

01:23:14.920 misconception of the subject matter. Now, this can come back to bite the creators in the butt,

01:23:19.960 like with the Megabots vs. Kuratos giant robot fight in 2018. By the way, happy Halloween, everybody.

01:23:29.880 Happy Halloween. Happy Halloween.

01:23:31.160 Happy Halloween too. Yeah, that's all true. Clickbait and everything. It's just because the internet sadly

01:23:36.520 was made accessible to everybody, meaning that it was accessible to the lowest common denominator,

01:23:41.480 which everything ultimately ends up being catered towards.

01:23:44.360 It is now exactly a year ago since I started drawing or trying to learn how to draw properly. And I think

01:23:54.120 I proved that if you put your mind to something and do it right, you can do amazing things in a year. I'm

01:24:01.240 really proud of myself. I think I did good. Happy Halloween, everybody. I hope you have a fantastic night.

01:24:08.040 I like it. You too, Sophie, and they're really good. Really good. Yeah, good stuff. And you can see the

01:24:15.400 progression as well. So they used AI to create a fake leukemia patient to sell healthcare. This is...

01:24:26.440 That's disgusting. Well, I for one couldn't disagree more. AI generated trash is an excellent turn of

01:24:34.120 events. Because the morons who believe everything they see and hear might move just one step closer to

01:24:41.640 asking themselves, what if what I'm seeing or hearing just isn't true?

01:24:48.760 That's putting a lot of faith in morons. Yeah, I don't know if boomers not be elitist take, Nick.

01:24:55.320 Well, I was going to say, boomers not understanding AI doesn't necessarily lead to them questioning, like,

01:25:00.440 you know, their liberal assumptions. I think it just means them going,

01:25:03.320 is this real? And texting it to someone, you go, no. Texting it to their grandad.

01:25:08.280 No, grandad. That's not real. The cat did not steal that fish. All right. Lord Hector,

01:25:15.240 Lord Inquisitor Hector Rex. Nick, I know you've been on a few times recently, only a few times,

01:25:19.720 only a few. But what would Nick's Britain look like if you were to be made Lord Protector General of the

01:25:25.080 realm? Well, thank you. He goes on my screams and stuff as well. Thank you very much. I think it

01:25:30.520 would probably look like the early 80s in the Lake District. I think it was pretty much nailed it.

01:25:35.480 I mean, but more authoritarian, obviously. Did you need more authority in the 80s Lake District?

01:25:42.440 No, you didn't really need it, but we'd have to now get there through a brutal-

01:25:44.440 Nick's a big Hugo Boss fan. We'd get there, we'd get back to that through a sort of Lee Kuan-yu style,

01:25:49.240 you know what I mean? Like, he couldn't do it. He couldn't do it naturally. He had to do it with

01:25:51.960 authority. That's how we'd get back to it. But yeah, it would look the same as that,

01:25:55.000 because we'd be peaked there. Do you want to read through some of your comments?

01:25:57.880 Yes, absolutely. The most dangerous man in America. So, Omar says,

01:26:01.080 the left are just trying to set goalposts for Tucker as he's otherwise outside their control.

01:26:05.880 Since they've lost control of the Overton window, all they have left is the impotent

01:26:09.000 mewling of the irrelevant. Beautiful phrase. George says, Fuentes has some cringe takes,

01:26:13.000 but he came out of the interview looking really good. The response from Conservative Inc.

01:26:16.040 ironically answered Tucker's constant pestering of, why are you attacking X and Y?

01:26:20.040 Because they're cancel culture clowns. People trying to de-platform both for having a conversation

01:26:24.440 are self-reporting. And Baron Von Warhawk rightly points out, if Tucker can interview Vladimir Putin,

01:26:30.280 then he can interview Nick Fuentes. Let's be frank, when it comes to the people getting their knickers in

01:26:34.920 a bunch, it's simply due to Nick's views on Israel. You can give an interview to a murderous dictator,

01:26:39.400 but you better not give an anti-Semitic platform to speak. Yeah, that is weird, isn't it? He can interview

01:26:44.200 Putin. And even then, Nick has really been toning down the spicy rhetoric recently. He's gone much

01:26:52.280 more to criticising them as a government and a country, rather than as a specific

01:26:58.680 group of people. And it's actually been very complimentary of them recently.

01:27:02.040 Yeah, and he denied that Charlie Kirk had anything to do with the death. Yeah, as you say as well,

01:27:06.040 it's bantering with his audience versus when he's in serious mode. We don't have time to go through all

01:27:11.320 of mine, I guess, because we've got so many maybe, but I can do some. The greatest example,

01:27:14.520 this is a good one. Think positive. The greatest example of woke right is still Lindsay himself.

01:27:18.120 Pretty much all his accusations are projection at this point. There's also an iron law of Lindsay

01:27:22.760 projection. Milo just shared a graphic of all the people on the right that James Lindsay has called

01:27:27.960 woke right. It's incredibly extensive. Probably called me woke right. I've got into arguments.

01:27:32.280 You didn't make it. I know someone said to me, we're good that we didn't make it on there.

01:27:35.560 But Karl and Nima are on there. I've still not earned a block from him.

01:27:42.440 From James. Yeah, it's quite impressive. I need to go harder next time.

01:27:47.880 I've been mogging him hard enough. I mean, just my existence mogs him.

01:27:51.640 Annie Moss, sounds like the security in jails is the same as the security in the Louvre.

01:27:56.200 I wonder if they also hire DEI style. Probably. Omar, even Axel Rudakabana can play PlayStation.

01:28:03.960 Is it any wonder Mr. Kebab Rapist is happy to go back to violent criminal daycare? Yeah.

01:28:09.960 Ptolemy. 500 pounds in Ethiopia is about 14 months wages on the average salary.

01:28:14.760 The equivalent would be about 30 grand in Britain. Imagine if France said to Britain,

01:28:18.840 if any of you come here, we'll pay for your stay and food and extras like a phone.

01:28:21.960 Then if you commit a crime, we'll pay you 30k. Well, I would be looking to get the next boat

01:28:26.840 over to France. And, uh, Arizona desert rat. I like avocados, but there are definitely people

01:28:32.760 who go overboard with their avocado obsession. Thank you. Oh, also, thinking of music, I also

01:28:39.400 was really impressed with your guitar skills on your video, Harry. I look really forward to hearing

01:28:43.720 your Lotus Eaters bumper music. Not so impressed with the current air guitar. And that's from Annie

01:28:48.920 Moss. Thank you. I am in a band and, uh, we are thinking of maybe trying to put something together

01:28:54.280 that would be appropriate for the, um, for the podcast. So we'll see what happens.

01:28:58.920 Uh, Michael Dribelbus says, Luca gives me calls to sit down and actually read the Lord of the

01:29:04.280 Rings. I think that's a splendid idea. I feel inferior when he starts going on about

01:29:08.280 Lord of the Rings as well. I'm rereading it. I read it when I was 18. I'm rereading it.

01:29:12.200 And I was just saying to you before we went on fellowship is absolutely so great. It's so well

01:29:15.880 written. It's not even heavy or stodgy. You see, Harry, um, said to me a few weeks ago as well,

01:29:20.840 says, yeah, I'll, I'll read the Silmarillion if you let me come on to Chronicles to cover it. I was

01:29:25.480 like, you should want to read the Silmarillion regardless. I do want to read it, but I've also

01:29:31.080 heard like notorious stories from people I know who tried to read it going like, it's, it's quite

01:29:36.360 ponderous from what I've been told. I don't know if that's true or not. Incorrect. By the way,

01:29:40.520 that was one thing I hated about Fuentes' critique. He kept saying, those movies sucked. It's like,

01:29:44.840 it's a book. Like, read the book, you know what I mean? Also, the movies are awesome.

01:29:48.600 Yes, the movies are awesome. Right. And the book's awesome.

01:29:50.840 Even with the differences, I still really like the films. However, I would acknowledge

01:29:56.200 Tolkien probably wouldn't have done, but then Tolkien didn't like many things.

01:29:59.400 Didn't like many things.

01:30:00.040 So, famously, uh, Lord Enquist to Hector X says, Tolkien, I was very clear

01:30:05.960 about how I feel about fat foreign retards.

01:30:09.000 Very true. And one last super chat, uh, that we got sent in for $10. The idea that evil forces in

01:30:14.280 Lord of the Rings enforcing borders has got to be a bad take on the Black Gate, which was built by

01:30:19.320 men to keep the denizens of Mordor inside. Yes. Yes. Very true. Anyway, that's all that we've

01:30:26.440 got time for right now. So thank you very much for joining us. And if you are subscribed to the

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01:30:37.000 So join us there. Thank you very much for watching. Take care, everybody. Happy Halloween.

The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - October 31, 2025

The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1286

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