The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1296

00:00:00.000 good afternoon folks it's friday the 14th welcome to the podcast the lotus eaters i'm joined by nick

00:00:07.260 and nate and today we're going to be talking about how hassan piker has gone on a nice trip to china

00:00:12.660 and it was a lot funnier than i expected it to be uh we're going to be asking uh where'd all the

00:00:17.780 money go in ukraine just you know just just we poured billions into ukraine where did all that

00:00:23.160 go actually and then we're going to talk about the reaction to rupert lowe saying you know what guys

00:00:28.320 there is something we can do about the evil murderers that we have in prison yeah we used to

00:00:33.600 have an idea we used to have an idea and the reaction to that was honestly pretty revealing frankly i mean

00:00:39.760 you know it's a it's a great uh example of how we are not represented by our own parliament but before

00:00:45.320 we begin uh blood for the blood god has sent us another 200 super chat which reads who told you

00:00:52.320 guys in the back room you can sober up well that's true they were starting to sober up so thank you

00:00:57.660 very much there's an incredibly generous donation but um right so hassan piker as you can see is

00:01:03.920 china maxing he's in china at the moment on a i don't know who's paying for the expenses but on a

00:01:09.960 trip that's being curated by the ccp because hassan piker has just become a pro-china propagandist all 0.80

00:01:16.980 of a sudden and it's really kind of strange because you've got an american turk who's arrived in china

00:01:22.000 he's like you know what i love everything about china there's nothing about china i don't love it's like

00:01:26.440 amazing you know what it really has in common is their attitude towards dogs well i was gonna make

00:01:32.020 that joke sorry i thought i'm gonna get in first you did comedians trade i'm like let's get it in

00:01:36.560 i assume he's over there because they like to abuse dogs too yeah um but i said to you before the stream

00:01:40.880 who's more of a slave hassan or the dog because he's slave enslaved to streaming 10 hours a day now

00:01:45.500 and he can't stop it's a prison and the thing is you know that he hates his only audience and he hates

00:01:50.380 his life but the the thing is like you know he's like i love everything about china

00:01:54.300 doesn't mention any genocide china is currently involved i was gonna say against turkic muslims

00:01:59.640 oh yeah it's the uigur muslims and what what's his uncle's name

00:02:02.780 chen kueger is it yes i forgot i'm not here yeah that's ridiculous i thought he loved i thought

00:02:09.180 he loved what the muslims actually happened his uncle is a uigur term amazing

00:02:13.500 and i don't care so it's it's really really remarkable how like hassan he's he exists in this

00:02:23.180 kind of weirdly sociopathic space right where like nothing outside of his bubble really exists

00:02:29.040 and so like yeah okay china might be literally exterminating his ancestors and his family 0.84

00:02:35.400 but china is also basically a fascist state and if there's one thing he's deeply impressed with

00:02:42.780 it's china's basic fascism uh it's communism you know who i feel bad for this is gonna surprise you

00:02:48.740 like the genuine lefties because i've realized that i was watching something about how people like

00:02:52.520 hassan and they just they ruined it they ruined it destiny and hassan all these people i feel bad

00:02:57.580 there's generally like thoughtful lefties out there have done like the reading and they're not just

00:03:01.080 like glib idiots yeah inciting stuff all the time they're actually they're going who's this idiot 0.93

00:03:05.880 let this be a lesson for who you make famous i guess yeah hassan gets to be the representative

00:03:11.020 anyway so he sat down with um an independent journalist in china yeah okay uh but he explains to us why he

00:03:18.500 went to china i also wanted to show my audience and the western world in general

00:03:23.560 that there are a lot of rumors about china there's a lot of misunderstandings and also just our

00:03:28.620 right lies and that uh it's just another normal country that every other country is

00:03:33.520 this is hassan piker an american online streamer influencer and a political commentator who wields

00:03:40.400 significant influence over the young demographic in the u.s is known for his daily streams featuring

00:03:46.060 political commentary and immediate analysis anyway he this is the four point carrying myself because

00:03:52.460 i'm so excited at all i haven't slept at all i've been so excited about this uh i'm i'm carrying

00:03:57.800 myself because i'm so excited it's been a remarkable experience thus far but i was always very excited

00:04:03.000 about china oh the following things what else and it's just a total uh snow dog glib sort of

00:04:08.900 try the most propaganda basically i want to see all the details but most importantly he wants to

00:04:14.860 travel on a fancy train i'm gonna get on a high speed uh train tomorrow to go to shanghai because

00:04:20.340 i also want high speed rail in america why little circles i'm not seeing that so where's it china

00:04:25.720 well part of it is because i talk about china quite a bit jack i don't know whether you can hear

00:04:30.600 lessons to learn and what america can't hear you either emulate and seeing it in real time i think

00:04:37.400 it's a lot different i also wanted to show my audience you want to show his audience the western

00:04:41.940 world in general that uh there are a lot of rumors about china there's a lot of misunderstandings and

00:04:47.640 also just our right lives and that it's okay that's that's good uh but anyway yeah so he says

00:04:54.240 look china's just another normal country with a one-party dictatorship it's just just a normal 0.68

00:05:01.040 country what a weird thing to do to go you're american citizen presumably is he go over and just

00:05:06.160 just propagandize for another country that is ostensibly america's enemy as well if they're

00:05:11.020 serious they have to deport him i've got nothing against china but if you're america you're like hang

00:05:14.820 on these are our enemy you know you listen to people like steve bannon they have to deport hassan

00:05:18.460 this plus the dog thing you would think i i mean if the dog thing isn't enough you can't just

00:05:23.260 imagine it was a cold war and he was doing this he'd be deported instantly i'm just gonna go

00:05:27.200 there and fluff the chinese communist party for a while ridiculous he's got i know but that's the

00:05:32.340 thing i love the step miller what are you doing the attempt to normalize china is a really interesting

00:05:37.500 thing because i mean just there are many reasons that we should be slightly concerned about chinese

00:05:43.500 i mean you would think like all the spies stealing stuff from america would be something of concern

00:05:48.720 it's not even up for debate either is it no no it is a well-known documented phenomenon so like

00:05:53.940 yeah i mean there are loads of people who've been convicted for it yeah it's not

00:05:58.020 how much how much do they pay you yeah like how much so he went to tianamon square and then there's

00:06:04.120 this clip um again we can't hear it james is are the tvs in here turned down or something can we try

00:06:09.120 that um okay i don't have any sort of patriotism in my heart for for any yeah for america but just

00:06:19.280 in general i'm not like a very you know i care about people support that i don't believe that

00:06:26.320 either he cares about people yeah or animals he certainly doesn't care about dogs does he

00:06:31.060 but that's a remarkable thing just just you know hello i'm i'm an american i've come over here and i

00:06:37.420 don't have any patriotism for america i love china actually i think china is china is my best

00:06:42.320 friend now steven miller opened the file that's all i'm saying yeah right it's it's so weird um so

00:06:48.200 anyway yeah he went to this tianamon square flag raising and they were like oh a white person which

00:06:53.260 they're not correct on he's turkish uh but then what they did is they stopped his stream grabbed his

00:06:59.320 phone because apparently there was a chairman mao meme on his phone and so the police literally i mean

00:07:04.840 it's literally like british levels of policing like this is they immediately pulled his entire

00:07:10.060 crew aside and forced them to go through their phones you can hear hassan's friend translate

00:07:13.180 they won't see your phones and so hassan is totally fine with this apparently totally fine

00:07:18.540 they did this explicitly and like people watching were like i just watched hassan get his stream

00:07:22.340 shut down in china then he then explains how they did it because he was white and that's actually a

00:07:26.580 good thing so he got racially profiled incorrectly he loves it for china yeah based that's okay 0.98

00:07:33.140 if that happened in america yeah i love the way by the way that you're when china now does 0.98

00:07:38.340 something authoritarian like who are you britain well they were offended by a meme on his phone so

00:07:44.480 yes that's literally what we do here but this is what obviously a load of his other like fellow

00:07:49.620 streamers were like well hang on a second if you were in america and they racially profiled you

00:07:54.340 the police stopped you and then went through your phone because you had a meme on it

00:07:57.320 yeah you'd be freaking out you'd be throwing a fit and it's like and rightly so don't get me wrong

00:08:02.880 uh but no not if it's in china and apparently uh lauren was like hang on a second this is a fancy

00:08:08.420 jacket that was limited edition made for chinese new year how did he get one of these like well he's

00:08:12.980 a multi-millionaire and you're not lauren that's how he bloody well got it but uh but yeah then you

00:08:17.920 get um just so many other great things like he's just constantly under surveillance in china and so

00:08:23.900 he's just constantly being checked on by the government monitored by the government pre-clearing all

00:08:29.000 his footage with him as well yes and hassan is completely okay with all of this and i wonder

00:08:34.800 honestly if this is just him being a moron i need to understand something okay china is very big and so 0.80

00:08:41.760 is its government okay and uh from what i understand and i'm not entirely certain of this but like a lot

00:08:49.860 of the stuff that we're doing we're getting checks like we're not like we're getting pre-clearance

00:08:55.160 we're not just fucking rolling up chatters okay like we're not just going what's up everybody like 0.80

00:09:04.480 like the the thing that we did in tiamen square that is actually at least like being able to live

00:09:11.320 stream that was a very unique experience okay checks they're paying you no dumbass checks as in

00:09:17.160 like pre-clearance we're checking everything and getting assurances beforehand why okay we have

00:09:25.360 why are you proud of saying that what yeah there's constant surveillance me harder china oh yes please

00:09:32.360 that is literally the communist dictatorship of china are watching everything i do they're going

00:09:36.760 through my phone and i have to apply to them for approval to go and do anything that i want

00:09:40.940 this is a brilliant country what comes across to me as well i suppose at his level

00:09:45.260 he he barely even knows he says i think my team's getting like checks up he's now just the front

00:09:50.120 guy that shows up and says the dumb thing like hey you know it's just the talent yeah he's just

00:09:54.560 the talent it's kind of like embarrassing it kind of happens if you get big enough i suppose but

00:09:58.060 it's it's like to not really know yeah i think like the chinese government's checking everything we

00:10:02.500 do but i don't really know the team's dealing with it that's a bit weird i know what i love about

00:10:06.600 this as well is he knows nothing about china yeah he clearly doesn't know anything about

00:10:10.740 big place and it's a big government he knows that he went to tianamon square is there anything

00:10:16.000 about tianamon square that as a westerner who's in favor of i don't know liberty civil rights

00:10:21.940 but political freedom i mean is there anything as a westerner hassan is there anything about

00:10:28.060 tianamon square that speaks out to you what is he westerner is he a westerner he's not is he

00:10:33.640 it's all a big laugh isn't it you can tell by that the coat he wore with that woman it's all

00:10:38.520 like you're like what are the clothes i should wear what's the cool thing to say to my dumb

00:10:42.680 audience yeah and it but it's just so remarkable how he lives in this bizarre like bimbo dream world 1.00

00:10:49.760 that he's just shepherded through what's happening well the chinese communist party just telling us we

00:10:53.900 can go here they're just checking your phone don't worry about it it's like yeah okay this is

00:10:57.180 totally normal hassan this is how your life is in america isn't it this has happened to you over and

00:11:01.680 over and over in america hasn't it has and yet he would scream from the rooftops it would be if

00:11:07.320 trump was doing anything close to this what mad psycho he is that's just mental isn't it how you 0.50

00:11:15.380 can be so like two-faced like hypocritical but the thing is right it's it's long been observed that

00:11:21.480 hassan is not the brightest tool in the sharpest tool in the box and the way he comes across in

00:11:26.520 these streams he just doesn't really he sounds kind of stupid and he sounds kind of out to lunch 0.59

00:11:31.840 he just sounds like he doesn't really know what's happening around him right and so like

00:11:35.900 on the stream one of these streams he was like yeah china is everything i love it's like what

00:11:42.540 communist authoritarian i love that in my conscience i have already become chinese

00:11:48.180 okay we were already white chinese in this chat i've already become full chinese

00:11:55.520 okay let me just start by saying that it's fucking sick okay like he doesn't sound convinced is he you 0.93

00:12:09.200 have

00:12:09.680 abundance style consumption paired up with

00:12:16.520 a centrally controlled economy an economic system that has yielded tremendous development

00:12:25.460 you have 1950s soviet era building blocks next to the gucci store

00:12:34.700 if there was more if there was ever a country that represented

00:12:39.740 the synthesis the the the uh the things that i enjoy so much personally

00:12:47.280 if ever such a country existed i do not know

00:12:51.940 that's actually honest though if ever there was a sort of country that represented my glib aesthetic

00:12:57.980 more you know gucci mixed with pretending to like the soviet union or something what's he describing

00:13:03.060 there he's describing a tyrannical country that has massive wealth inequality but he is he loves yeah

00:13:10.680 i want a bunch of peasants slaving away like bug men in the ccp mental isn't he looks like i told you 0.98

00:13:16.820 he looks like young starlin this is that's who he wants the starlin's the dream for him i i just want

00:13:20.900 every peasant living in a tenement block next to the gucci store that i like to go to because i like

00:13:25.740 abundance style consumption i just want everyone else to be tyrannized i just want these things two

00:13:31.720 things married together it's like yeah hassan what you're describing is what you would otherwise

00:13:35.720 call state capitalism which could be described as just fascism that's what fascism is like china 0.77

00:13:42.100 is basically developed from communism into fascism and is the sole surviving fascist regime at this

00:13:48.240 point and it sounds like yeah i love everything about this which is just like capitalism with

00:13:55.320 dictatorial characteristics i don't want to go to a gucci store or a poor neighborhood if there isn't a

00:13:59.560 chinese dictator in charge i wonder if when he comes back to america he will stand by these 0.93

00:14:04.860 statements because you know i want at the airport at the airport when questioned by the 9-11

00:14:10.220 america deserve 9-11 true i just mean like it'd be interesting to see how much he's saying because

00:14:15.140 he's directly there right now versus what he actually you know thinks but i mean yeah you're

00:14:21.180 quite right he probably will stand by one mental freak of a man i know and i love that this is the

00:14:26.600 left's primary representative at this point yeah like this is what all the magazines i propped him

00:14:31.600 up like this is your joe rogan it's like really yeah yeah no that's the left inebriated fool yes 0.66

00:14:38.500 brilliant this is it's incredible it's incredible it's like champagne socialist doesn't go half and

00:14:44.760 far enough to describe asan biker he wants his gucci stores and his soviet tenement blocks and when

00:14:50.300 they're married together my god that's amazing but the thing is right china is it's been a long

00:14:55.860 period of development of china and they're basically not terribly different to the united

00:14:59.700 states they're on the trajectory so as you can see like it used state-owned versus privately owned

00:15:04.660 share of the wealth fell from about 70 state-owned to 30 state-owned zero percent in the u.s because

00:15:09.460 of adjusted for debt but the the point being it's on the same trajectory as the united states they're

00:15:14.220 becoming capitalist with a dictatorship so it's like yeah they're basically a fascist nation uh and of

00:15:20.260 course you've got the uh national income uh earned by the top 10 percent is has increased from 27 to

00:15:27.160 41 nearing the u.s is 45 so it's really not terribly shy of that is it i mean it's more wealth inequality

00:15:35.100 than france so does that matter hasan does any of this matter to you as a socialist as a communist

00:15:42.200 what are you what are you doing and so it's i mean i i guess oh they're bringing people out of

00:15:49.340 poverty yeah i guess only 17 percent of the population now are living on six dollars 85 or

00:15:54.820 less a day well yeah but that that means he can wear that adidas stuff well that someone's got to live

00:15:59.760 in the tenements don't they well someone's got to make yeah crap that he buys someone's got to be in

00:16:03.980 the sweatshops he's kind of saying that out loud what the neoliberals want to say which is probably what

00:16:08.960 ultimately you remember when justin trudeau said he admired china's basic dictatorship i do and this

00:16:13.860 is how they all feel really they can't quite say it you know blair would love it if we were china

00:16:18.320 starmer would love china don't you think oh yeah starmer would absolutely love china like starmer wishes

00:16:23.940 he was zi jinping yeah absolutely i think he's just voicing what all the neolibs want to say

00:16:29.260 but the point being like he complains about poverty in america but the poverty in china is of course way

00:16:35.700 worse and he complains about wealth inequality in america but it's almost the same in china so it's

00:16:40.940 just like you just you just have this weird cuckold fetish yeah i want gucci stores and i want wealth

00:16:48.900 inequality i just need a dictator at the top of it that's i want a centrally planned economy which

00:16:53.820 china isn't by the way it's it's as you can see about 70 capitalist but uh but yeah anyway so just a

00:16:59.540 case of the left always just it's just trying to hate your own country like corbyn just likes our enemy

00:17:04.180 i think that's it it's the sort of noble savage type fetish uh fetish that they have basically

00:17:10.660 i but i think that's exactly when he's like yeah it's sick i mean i'm not really persuaded that he

00:17:17.000 genuinely thinks it's as sick as like he's trying to make it out it's a sort of pathetic rebellion

00:17:20.480 against your own country yeah and you're just like i mean you know you could make the case i mean

00:17:24.000 people like callum go to different countries they make an objective case pros and cons you can make

00:17:28.120 the case for china i'm sure lots of people like it but it's just like this sort of yeah i like china

00:17:32.820 what you're gonna do about it it's like whatever you're just a weirdo what was interesting is that

00:17:37.940 china didn't really like him uh so nobody really knew who hassan was there were loads of there were

00:17:43.440 loads of comments on the videos being like go back to wherever you came from um but also he got

00:17:48.880 mogged by asmongold even in china uh well what's this uh what's this clip yeah yeah like they know 0.50

00:17:56.160 fucking asmongold and shit that's so strange yeah that's one from no one from china should know who 1.00

00:18:01.240 asmongold is you remember last time i said hi to you like you would book me yeah i do remember that

00:18:06.540 you guys were you guys together at the time like that's just funny asmongold just looming large

00:18:13.500 over hassan piker's career you shouldn't know that even in china that's oh do you know asmongold

00:18:18.680 so i'm hassan piker never heard of you but anyway like getting to the the things that like china's

00:18:25.940 actually doing wrong beyond the sort of normal western complaints about civil liberties like this

00:18:32.280 you would think would matter to hassan because he has brought this up before and it wasn't even

00:18:39.420 very long ago china doesn't do external genocide they do cultural genocide internally 0.77

00:18:45.920 that's it and we know a lot about that personally america bad like if you ask the fucking uh uh uigurs 0.99

00:19:00.820 living in the region that are being uh oppressed and and their culture being fucking removed 0.96

00:19:07.080 then yeah those guys are not uh super fond of china obviously your uncle's surname is uigur

00:19:17.140 it's reasonable for us to conclude that you are in some part a uigur muslim hassan you go to china 0.83

00:19:23.580 that you know is currently in the middle of a genocide of the uigur muslims and you're like

00:19:27.660 this is sick bro because it's not america you are mental hassan why the chinese didn't bring up 0.92

00:19:35.500 these old clips get him in a little room and say explain this then he disappears for six months

00:19:39.920 i mean he's still there so it's not over yet yeah people disappear that's the other thing

00:19:43.800 send this stream to the chinese like you're a tennis player that says the wrong thing goodbye you know

00:19:47.520 you're jack ma oh where have you gone for a bit does he's not bothered by that like send this stream

00:19:52.040 to the chinese embassy happy to help seriously it's like this this isn't this has been going on for

00:19:59.520 over a decade this is not in any way a secret hassan paikan knows all about it and it obviously

00:20:04.980 is somehow connected to his own family and yet he's just like yeah no china base bro china great

00:20:10.120 because they've got slaves and tenements while i can buy my gucci and the government checks on

00:20:14.780 everything that i do and goes through my phone as a truly morally bankrupt person isn't it like he has

00:20:20.360 absolutely no convictions at all he just sort of floats around in this sort of nebulous realm of

00:20:26.200 i hate america but i'm gonna latch on to random bits and pieces here and there as it ebbs and flows

00:20:31.520 with time and his one you know what i mean like there is hate america yeah that's it that's all

00:20:36.180 that's his entire being is based around hate hatred of america but everything else is just well i can

00:20:41.940 latch on to that at this point that at this point cool brilliant he's literally like a scene kid

00:20:47.340 yeah he's just a scene kid he's got no understanding of these things and doesn't seem to have any morality

00:20:53.320 and i think nick you were exactly right it's just the i hate america club that he's leading in on

00:20:59.700 the american left and it's like brilliant i mean good for you hassan but anyway i don't know how

00:21:06.660 much longer he's out there but i'm sure more will come out and i'm looking forward to seeing it

00:21:10.720 luke says uh g'day sorry for being off topic i just want to say thank you to carl arch on sanford

00:21:17.160 bridge this morning check out the video i asked uh i was a bit worried that you would react when he

00:21:20.940 talked about uh andrew tate why asan is just a byzu to the ccp yeah so byzu is a chinese word that

00:21:28.860 means white leftist uh asana obviously isn't white but like he is a leftist and i imagine that from

00:21:34.680 the position of the chinese they can't tell the difference uh but yeah no you're absolutely right 1.00

00:21:38.580 and the the funny thing is i i bet they're just like right okay this why would the chinese entertain 0.62

00:21:44.320 this turk coming around and being like china's brilliant why would they entertain that 1.00

00:21:49.140 well because it hurts america yeah they can just feed their propaganda shit to america the woman 1.00

00:21:53.880 in the in the clip at the beginning he has significant influence over the youth of america

00:21:57.980 and so we're going to bring him over let him say that china's amazing and let him say that america

00:22:02.800 sucks yeah just as a part of a long-term psyop against the united states and hassan piker again

00:22:08.700 himself not an american a turk is completely in favor of this and is just happy to go along with it

00:22:13.800 because he just feels no patriotism for america stephen miller why is he still in your country

00:22:18.980 denaturalize deport deport deport to china i'm sure if he wants to live in china so much let him go

00:22:24.620 live in china no patriotism in his heart at all remember yeah he's almost denounced the way he has

00:22:30.700 denounced america just get rid of him you you can use his own words against him so he got no patriotism

00:22:35.280 in america for america 9-11 was something america deserved and china is way better than america 1.00

00:22:40.320 and that's the end of it right okay he doesn't need to be in your country anyway wild speaker

00:22:45.460 says eastern dog abuser enjoys eastern dog abuser country what a shock oh yeah also hassan's dog is

00:22:51.280 called care do you know who else had a dog called care netanyahu it's a weird coincidence but a

00:22:57.320 coincidence i'm sure that it is and i am being says sorry for being a topic uh what do you guys

00:23:01.560 think of jonathan bowden that's too off topic um and i've never read anything by him i've never listened

00:23:06.920 to any of his speeches and i humbly recommend my podcast with ed dutton where we talk about

00:23:10.300 the book he wrote about bowden so check that out okay uh and we responded to one of his speeches

00:23:14.800 as well so go and check those out what's funny about people from turkey they've been doing ancestry

00:23:18.580 tests and finding out well aren't they banned in turkey ancestry tests yeah yeah because it turns

00:23:24.780 out they're all eastern european and greek amazing i did not know they were bad i'm pretty sure they're

00:23:30.360 banned anyway we'll uh we'll we'll carry on oh i've got a little mouse here oh okay well i can't find

00:23:36.540 the mouse where is the mouse uh it's off screen oh there we go now i've got it i always get mopped

00:23:41.920 this but it's harder than it looks it is honestly just wait just wait we're gonna laugh it up when

00:23:47.620 you can't do it so where's the money where's the money we've sent a lot of money to uh ukraine

00:23:57.100 really i can't believe we can't track it i know a lot of cash a lot of cash and there's been a

00:24:04.680 long-standing corruption problem in ukraine a long-standing corruption problem which we knew

00:24:09.220 wasn't it the most corrupt country in europe we're one of one of yeah if not the most well we'll have

00:24:15.340 a look at the um one of the latest corruption in indices of uh of ukraine in a minute as well but

00:24:22.320 basically there's they have a corruption problem it's long-standing and we've got a brand new

00:24:26.580 corruption scandal uh which is not it's not your average corruption scandal this is a pretty big

00:24:32.700 one another dandy and why in ukraine yeah well yeah um but this one's a pretty big one because

00:24:38.440 it these are linked directly to uh zelensky oh so it's quite a big deal so basically i've got some

00:24:47.020 bullet points here that i'm just going to read off um but this is obviously just the bbc article so

00:24:51.940 uh ukraine's energy energy minister and i'm going to butcher all of this because their names are

00:24:57.980 just absurd basically as vitlana grinchuk and justice minister herman halushenko they've resigned

00:25:07.180 following a major investigation of corruption in the energy sector really so president zelensky

00:25:13.300 called for their removal on wednesday halushenko stated he would defend himself against the

00:25:18.400 accusations uh grin shook said on social media within the scope of my professional activities

00:25:24.140 there were no violations of the law yeah sure mate that's an interesting way of uh sure

00:25:27.940 carving out a within the scope of my professional activities wrong yeah i'm all fine so the embezzlement

00:25:35.640 what happened so anti-corruption bodies accused several people of orchestrating an embezzlement scheme

00:25:41.020 in the energy sector worth uh about 100 million dollars you know just a breezy cool 100 mil you know

00:25:50.160 why not uh including at the national nuclear operator ena houtum interest them so the scheme involved

00:25:57.880 justice minister herman and other key ministers and officials receiving payments from contractors

00:26:02.980 building fortifications against russian attacks on energy infrastructure it's kind of all

00:26:08.200 interlinked there's a whole sort of big pile here uh not only that so involved individuals include

00:26:15.560 former deputy prime minister olexey chermischov and uh timur timur mindic um a businessman

00:26:26.300 i assume you're pronouncing these correctly yeah whatever at me i guess um but this one's interesting

00:26:32.500 because that is a businessman and co-owner of zelensky's former tv studio ah and he is he's fled

00:26:41.140 the country so he well yeah wait no because he's innocent yeah that's how i know he's innocent fled the

00:26:47.260 country because he's innocent led to qatar or something yeah uh so this is interesting right like

00:26:52.520 it's not just oh it's another corruption scandal and these people are like in bed with zelensky

00:26:58.940 yeah absolutely unequivocally in bed with zelensky that's a major deal literally the co-owner of

00:27:05.700 zelensky's former tv like that's huge and that that what was the i can't remember the name of the

00:27:10.000 billionaire who financed the show that made zelensky portrayed him as the presence kind of

00:27:15.140 yeah see the idea and then he runs and then he wins and so it's like it seems like this is long

00:27:20.580 game that's been played in order to extort loads of money well i mean if if so which who knows maybe

00:27:26.540 i mean they're winning aren't they really if they've got what they wanted um so those so the

00:27:33.320 investigation lasted 15 months involved a thousand hours of audio recordings uh uncovered

00:27:38.020 participation by several members of the ukrainian government so brilliant they're fighting for

00:27:43.700 democracy i don't know what you're talking about oh fighting for european values definitely just far

00:27:48.620 right oh russia slap my wrist 0.99

00:27:52.100 so those implicated uh systematically collected kickbacks from enna howton which this is the

00:28:00.200 energy thing uh contractors worth between 10 to 15 percent of contract values so they're just like

00:28:04.740 under there uh funds were laundered with huge sums transferred outside ukraine including to russia i

00:28:10.880 mean who'd who'd have thought you know oligarchs or oligarchs no matter where they are

00:28:15.380 yeah do you know what i mean yeah yeah no it's 100 madness uh photographs and back of bags full

00:28:20.720 of cash were published by the anti-corruption bodies and proceeds were allegedly laundered through

00:28:25.060 an office in kiev linked to the family of former ukrainian lawmaker and current russian senator

00:28:30.020 andrei derkach it's kind of comical like photos of bag stuff with cash it's like scrooge mcduck

00:28:38.220 almost isn't it no it's caught him diving into his money if you were going to create a parody

00:28:42.980 of uh an eastern european country that was essentially you know to showcase the kind

00:28:48.500 of corruption you'd have these sort of like dodgy looking chances with bags of money it's like no i

00:28:53.320 have to flee the country now comrade or whatever you know like it would be this sort of thing and

00:28:57.580 yet this is what they're doing yeah i it's it's insane it is insane and and we're we're left to

00:29:03.380 think there's definitely no issue with everything we send them 100 i'm gonna feel bad i've got that i've

00:29:10.240 got okay i've got that coming up we need leo here to have some sort of pro-ukraine representative

00:29:14.220 and explain why this is all awesome i don't really know oh dear oh man i i like leo a lot but his

00:29:20.060 takes on ukraine were bad yeah no ukraine no no not not great not great um so the national anti-corruption

00:29:28.020 bureau of ukraine and specialized anti-corruption prosecutor's office have been releasing new snippets

00:29:33.380 of the investigation and wiretaps daily with more promise on tuesday um i don't think that's

00:29:38.440 materialized as far as i could tell so it's a huge thing like it's a huge thing right so the scandal

00:29:43.460 involves it's a huge amount of money it's a huge amount of money it is direct involvement of

00:29:48.700 zielinski's best buddies work associates business friends it's a it's a pretty it's a pretty big deal

00:29:54.820 basically it's not a small thing this is like the biggest heist that's ever existed

00:29:59.020 well you mean the broader context yeah the whole thing that they're doing if you look

00:30:04.820 if you look at it is this grand plan that they're obviously executing yeah this is a massive heist

00:30:09.700 yeah there was also reports that i think was coming out like a year or a year or two ago of

00:30:15.380 all these ukrainian ministers like former ministers just chilling out in monaco chilling out in monaco

00:30:21.200 with g-wagons and they're like where'd you get a g-wagon from mate how'd you get how you get a g-wagon

00:30:26.760 you know apparently zielinski had 750 000 in an account offshore he's got more than that now

00:30:33.400 oh does he oh yeah yeah yeah so he's he's incredibly rich now his network i think that

00:30:39.880 was before he became the president so how does a ukrainian comedian yeah i chose the wrong country

00:30:44.440 to transition from comedian to politics he's just funnier than you he's way funnier than you

00:30:48.440 and yeah he's got the right outfit yeah i didn't think it through yeah this is it so how far do you

00:30:53.940 blame zielinski or just ukraine because i have a guy in my football team now and it's made me sort

00:30:57.500 of quite sympathetic because he's from ukraine and he tells me about what's happening on the ground

00:31:01.500 there but he was a you know he sort of worked with poroshenko he's not a zielinski guy are you

00:31:06.400 blaming are you just saying it's always corrupt are you saying zielinski's worse than the predecessors

00:31:10.140 i i would say he's worse i mean yeah i mean i mean i would say from the top down there is an

00:31:18.400 institutional corruption at play and zielinski is a cog in a very corrupt machine so you know his

00:31:26.800 his run for uh sort of presidency or is he president yeah um was a my belief i know an effective

00:31:37.820 orchestration to allow further embezzlement and just yeah like it's sort of top down control isn't it

00:31:46.840 effectively it's the it's the um appearance of a democracy but it's effectively an autocracy

00:31:54.460 yeah and and not just that it's what i would say typical sort of eastern european gangster state

00:31:58.860 that just embezzles loads of money and it was famous for that for years i mean the guardian would

00:32:03.280 report on this if you go back five six years well probably 10 years now the guardian's got loads

00:32:07.900 of reporting on this right up until the russian invasion and then suddenly oh well ukraine is one

00:32:11.940 of our closest allies you know kia sama's like sucking him off in front of downing street 1.00

00:32:16.060 it's just like like i don't have any attachment to ukraine and i'm i'm sympathetic to the ukrainian

00:32:22.140 people who have to put up with this but like that's not my business is it you know like yeah i mean

00:32:28.720 hey look you know we've got enough things to worry about yeah i'm sympathetic to the uighan muslims

00:32:32.780 getting genocided by china but it's not really my business yeah the flag in bio ukraine is amazing

00:32:37.980 yeah it was creepy given all the history of it we need to save democracy in ukraine it's like are

00:32:42.720 you serious hmm i mean there's there's so there's so anything wrong with yeah you didn't you weren't

00:32:50.040 like we need to save democracy in ukraine then no no no no no no it's all fair right like it's there's

00:32:56.880 so many layers to ukraine so many layers but this isn't new their sort of corruption thing isn't new 0.94

00:33:03.620 i mean so this is the transparency.org which is basically like a it's a corruption index yeah

00:33:10.220 effectively it's quite fun um to take a look at obviously this is just one marker and you know you

00:33:16.920 can kind of take a look at it and you can see that it's corrupt just generally through the wealth of

00:33:22.320 scandals that they have um so we don't need this to take a look at but it's just a marker to say

00:33:27.840 this is well known and has been well known for over a decade how corrupt they are i mean as as

00:33:35.200 back in 2012 so basically it's a score out of 180 countries around the world the corruption

00:33:39.720 perceptions index um ukraine has a score of 35 this was in um 2024 with a change of minus one since

00:33:49.560 last year meaning it ranks 105 out of 180 countries so it's very corrupt it's very corrupt

00:33:57.580 and what i like like what i find interesting about this is that you can see the perception of

00:34:04.660 corruption uh sort of goes away when the war starts to happen like oh it's not actually that corrupt

00:34:12.920 guys don't worry about it no it's all right it's not that it's pretty corrupt i mean there's still

00:34:19.240 no great score is it oh no it's dreadful dreadful but you can kind of see the media spin and all eyes

00:34:25.480 put on ukraine like no they're not corrupt guys your money's definitely going to some good places

00:34:29.720 don't you worry about it don't stress um but yeah it's pretty bad and the media seems to have noticed

00:34:36.940 so like that was the bbc chatting about yeah uh this corruption scandal but everyone else seems to

00:34:44.100 have noticed as well so like ap news here oh yeah top ukrainian ministers submit their resignation

00:34:49.940 as a country is rocked by corruption is it really rocked is it i mean this is like another it's like

00:34:55.160 a it's just another day ending and why for ukraine yeah it's not really rocked is it i mean our rank is

00:35:00.920 20 out of 180 and we have a score of 71 out of 100 which is higher than i was expecting actually a

00:35:06.640 lower than i was expecting actually yeah but uh but still twice that of ukraine it's pretty bad isn't it

00:35:12.420 yeah that's pretty bad so and then we've also i mean there's again just a whole bunch of articles

00:35:18.360 ukraine battered by bombing and scarred by corruption it's like yeah we this is this isn't

00:35:23.320 this isn't news no right like you know you you you've you've given them however much money

00:35:29.000 for however long now and none of this will sort of change the trajectory of the age that you provide

00:35:37.600 them and it is mad well you've made some oligarchs insanely rich i mean they're probably having a 0.99

00:35:42.580 very nice time in monaco well yeah there is that i actually i i looked up the amount that we have

00:35:47.880 collectively uh given ukraine in the last couple of years what's your figure then because i've got a

00:35:53.360 figure here 360 billion dollars that's including the eu britain and america oh i've got a higher

00:35:59.200 oh okay go on uh 21.8 billion so the uk has committed oh yeah no that's us personally isn't

00:36:08.160 yeah uk has committed 21.8 billion pounds in support to ukraine with 13 uh 13 billion designated

00:36:16.200 for military assistance and the remainder for non-military support military aid includes gifted

00:36:21.340 equipment 2.26 billion loan for which repayment will come from frozen russian assets doubt it and a

00:36:28.340 commitment to spend 4.5 billion pound on military support in 2025 alone i mean that's that's again

00:36:35.740 just mental yeah but that that's just from us in total from america the eu and us 360 billion

00:36:42.460 that's insane i mean that is an incredible amount of money and there was a there was a report a while

00:36:46.920 ago about how basically it can't be tracked um let me let me look up quickly but there was

00:36:51.520 um yeah no there is no there is no tracking on where there's no money's gone for any of it yeah

00:36:58.460 there is none at all yeah the the um center for strategic international studies says there's a

00:37:05.240 hundred billion dollars missing in aid from ukraine as in america sent it and it's gone yeah because

00:37:11.420 ukraine also argued back to donald trump saying well we haven't got half of it yeah so where has it gone

00:37:16.920 well we gave it to you yeah so what have you done with it just ignore these bags stuff with cash as

00:37:23.440 i get out the door it's like what are you talking about it's actually mental and again i mean this is

00:37:28.720 just another day ending in y for ukraine it and it's almost it's stupid of us to presume that they

00:37:38.140 wouldn't be corrupt right like that's the thing you know i yeah their corruption is an issue but we're

00:37:45.020 really really dumb for giving them as much money as we have done and and with no guarantees of where

00:37:51.420 it's going to go no paper trail so we're almost well we are effectively complicit in this corruption

00:37:56.320 which is incredibly irritating and actually the amount that we've given them um dwarfs what we

00:38:03.240 ourselves spent on active deployment in iraq even adjusted for inflation

00:38:07.760 i've got the numbers so roughly eight to ten billion pound was spent on the active deployment

00:38:15.560 in iraq yeah eight to ten it's dependent really there's some adjustments here and there which is

00:38:20.420 about 14 billion in today's money 14 billion on active deployment now i know i mean that's a horrific

00:38:26.840 commentary on inflation as well isn't it yeah i know so it's only 20 years jesus christ i know it's mad

00:38:32.580 it's not like it was in the 1950s or something okay yeah god all right so basically the question is

00:38:40.080 where's the money where's it gone it's gone into the i mean and thing is it's not just one one set of

00:38:48.960 people right what it will have been is it's got it's got to go through a system and at every point

00:38:52.860 in that system there's going to be whoever's handling it at that point is going to slice a percentage

00:38:57.500 of it for themselves yeah and eventually it trickles down to like you know a third of it gets to

00:39:02.300 where it's supposed to because then half of it didn't even turn up for the military equipment

00:39:05.240 or anything like that yeah like yeah where's it all gone it's like yeah great question yeah because

00:39:09.520 there were yeah there was a whole uh a host of military uh corruption going on uh selling off

00:39:16.260 yeah a whole bunch of the weapons as well just taking them selling them off elsewhere so this is

00:39:22.280 this is a clown show it's a clown show masquerading as a war um yeah our money's gone ap us failed to

00:39:29.520 track um more than a billion in military gear given to ukraine pentagon watchdog says so what

00:39:34.320 are you doing why did just we'll just stamp it just stamp it stamp it get it through the house

00:39:38.540 get it through the center get it get it out gone and it's gone forever and then black holes it's

00:39:43.420 the meme of south park and it's gone yeah it literally is and it's gone so that's where our

00:39:48.840 money's gone ukraine dollars worth of weapons and equipment have just disappeared who's got those

00:39:55.140 the taliban maybe i mean yeah well yeah no yeah who not yeah who knows who knows where where it's

00:40:02.400 gone so the corruption in ukraine is obviously pretty rife we're the issue there you know we're

00:40:07.720 complicit in that this is the one's own watchdog pointing this out as well they gave them uh yeah but

00:40:12.600 this was in 2000 uh 2024 where they're like yeah we gave them 1.7 billion in defense gear at one point

00:40:19.340 and uh 59 percent of that uh is gone and yet and yet we're persistently giving them more

00:40:27.540 and more year on year year on year so right get your house in order it's absolutely some checks and

00:40:33.320 balances on this it's obviously just money laundering like clearly very very clearly just a money

00:40:38.940 laundering scheme um and it's irritating because obviously that's our tax and we will now be indebted

00:40:44.000 god knows how long remember kia starman was like there's no amount too much that will pledge

00:40:49.360 to save ukraine it's one of his pet topics because one of the few areas like international relations

00:40:54.040 where he's doing slightly better yeah when he can't do much worse than at home where he's on the

00:40:57.900 verge of getting ousted yes yeah no but you're absolutely right and like his his little hugs

00:41:03.200 with zelinski it's like there's no limit to the amount of money we'll pledge to ukraine's oligarchs

00:41:07.980 it's like oh good well because he's getting those rent boys so i guess you know that's a that's

00:41:12.060 another allegedly who knows yeah i'm glad you got that in i'm worried about carla's i mean

00:41:15.600 allegedly i mean if kia starman was to sue me over the rent boys i'm happy to pay him up like let's

00:41:20.480 let's go through the courts and see what what's the deal with i think you'll find they weren't

00:41:24.380 they were models yeah i just really what this the the media has just got no curiosity about that either

00:41:31.540 like ukraine promises unlimited money to ukraine uh starman promises unlimited money to ukraine

00:41:36.380 and then he gets personally terrorized by ukrainian rent boys it's a bit odd everyone's like well

00:41:41.060 that's just a trio of them as well no four was it four four three it was a fourth what and it's

00:41:48.100 like this is weird this is just you're saying no smoke without rent boys i'm i'm i'm classic phrase

00:41:53.940 i'm i'm suggesting that if i was in westminster media i would be more curious about this i feel

00:42:01.560 like they've probably got lots of stuff they can deploy should they ever want to you know what i mean

00:42:04.940 i imagine so yeah let's see if it comes out peter manelson has most of it in a in a massive file

00:42:11.400 he was caught pissing up against like george osborne's fence the other day

00:42:15.140 manelson yeah there's a picture of him pissing up yeah literally it's like what you did

00:42:19.200 what can i can have that match please it was i know it was like what what is going on here mad

00:42:23.780 is sovereignty worth the result that we're seeing well i mean i don't know chris says

00:42:32.780 i worked in kazakhstan in the early 2000s and spent time in russia as well the corruption in

00:42:37.680 that part of the world is endemic if anyone is the tiniest gets the tiniest bit power corruption

00:42:42.000 follows yeah i know this is a mad thing where basically the idea you you pay off every civil

00:42:47.320 servant or police officer you see to get things done and so i just can't imagine living like that

00:42:52.400 yeah like the idea of trying to bribe a british cop an actually british cop yeah you wouldn't

00:42:57.240 it you would it would be an unthinkable act this is the thing isn't it literally unthinkable you

00:43:02.720 just don't understand them you you don't other cultures are are alien cultures you don't understand 0.99

00:43:09.260 them you don't understand what you've got here in the west the high trust society that's been

00:43:13.080 completely eroded and destroyed and we that's why i say we're complicit in in the corruption of

00:43:18.880 ukraine like we're facilitating their corruption by just pouring cash they can't believe their 0.88

00:43:23.340 bloody luck yeah no they're like oh wow yeah brilliant thanks excellent yeah stupid 100 million

00:43:27.680 brilliant yeah it's mad it's absolutely mad yeah and and the the high-flying rhetoric oh we're

00:43:33.200 saving ukrainian democracy is russian tyranny it's like look man that is just a shield that they hide 0.89

00:43:38.900 behind that these oligarchs are hiding behind in order to loot their own country and loot us in the

00:43:43.620 same at the same time i mean they must they can't believe their luck anyway easy says i've worked in

00:43:50.200 china the prosperous aesthetic he's talking about is in super wealthy areas the average chinese worker

00:43:54.500 lives in a dorm owned by the factory because they can't afford rent yeah uh and uh hassan would not

00:43:59.640 be wealthy enough to live in those areas in which the ccp allows to be shown abroad as pro-chino 0.75

00:44:03.780 propaganda yeah he's in the chinese version of mayfair you know where like every property is like 10

00:44:08.260 million dollars or whatever you know it's like every which i i'm not even exasperated it's just

00:44:15.720 like yeah all of this is just exactly what you should expect but you've got to be a lot more

00:44:20.640 cynical about these things i'm afraid like people in the west are very idealistic um but outside of

00:44:26.560 that it just nothing none of our sort of magical words and phrases hold up outside of the west other

00:44:32.240 peoples don't believe in them like we do anyway let's carry on all right well let's do my little bit

00:44:38.140 so this touches on three themes really it's mainly about the death penalty debate but it also touches

00:44:42.980 on this recent theme of bbc bias and the immigration debate and you'll see why so rupert lowe mp

00:44:50.120 independent now of course uh stepped up and made the case for the death penalty in the house of

00:44:55.440 commons and let's see how it went down thank you mr speaker every week we hear of a brutal murder

00:45:02.320 rape or stabbing far too often perpetrated by someone who shouldn't be should not be in our country

00:45:07.940 to begin with does the prime minister agree that for cases where the guilt is so undeniable

00:45:13.980 the crime so monstrous the evil so irredeemable the reintroduction of the death penalty for both

00:45:21.220 foreign and domestic criminals should be put to the british people in a legally binding referendum

00:45:29.060 can i first say that um any attack is to be condemned and it is absolutely right um and we're determined

00:45:40.520 that there is a criminal justice response uh in relation to attack however it's carried out and

00:45:46.020 whoever it's carried out uh by but reintroducing the death penalty is not the answer uh to this

00:45:52.540 it didn't work uh when it was in place it led to the death of those that in fact what turned out

00:45:59.560 were innocent uh but what we must do is improve as we are the criminal justice response in this country

00:46:05.720 okay but that that entire statement is predicated on the fact that uh forensic forensics hasn't improved

00:46:12.020 at all in any way to prove people's guilt actually is what you're saying the way he's saying it is only

00:46:17.220 innocent people were executed yeah it's just nonsense that's not true nonsense and here the

00:46:21.680 jeers of the mps and they are jeering at the british people who actually as we'll find do believe on the

00:46:27.040 whole in the death penalty and you see lisa and andy just chatting about something else they're all

00:46:30.700 very glib one of the great tricks of the sort of blairite revolution is to pretend everything's just

00:46:35.920 settled it's absurd the death penalty who is this relic you've allowed in that's not how the british

00:46:40.680 people think just a quick thing on keir starmer i mean he campaigned for free in jamaica to abolish

00:46:45.860 death penalty you mean this yes brilliant i do you've got it by starmer secure work for free as

00:46:52.740 lawyer to save baby killers and axe murders i've shared this before on lotus it is it's quite grim

00:46:58.860 i almost i don't even know what we can say on youtube because the details are so grim but he

00:47:02.840 basically helped child brutal child killers who did things like buried children alive and things like

00:47:08.000 i mean it's unbelievably sick here starmer goes over to the prisons and these poor men can't be

00:47:12.740 murdered executed for their crimes yeah so actually in in the house he was relatively moderate given

00:47:17.820 actually in reality because what he's hiding is he's passionately campaigned against the death

00:47:22.320 penalty even in the most horrific cases yes because he just believes in it he's a mr human rights um

00:47:28.020 so this is a founding member of the death penalty project which is obviously a project to abolish the

00:47:32.220 death penalty yeah also like his response is no we must just pay for them for eternity also no it

00:47:39.540 doesn't work yeah it does work because they're dead yeah exactly zero god recidivism that's

00:47:44.980 brilliant they're gone awesome just and we'll get on that and as i pointed out another time he

00:47:50.360 believes in assisted dying so he does believe in the deaths for the innocent but not the guilty

00:47:54.060 they debated this in parliament the other day didn't they so yeah we need to bring this in for

00:47:58.920 the nhs this is the progressive thing to do it's like right so people who haven't broken the law

00:48:02.440 should be killed by the state yeah murderers of children yeah exactly innocent people and unborn

00:48:08.040 babies it's like that it's like the me it's like the rape meme but then like actual brutal killers

00:48:13.220 who bury children you know kill them nine-year-old who stabbed nine it's like nine-month-old baby

00:48:19.240 killed his girlfriend a nine-month-old baby and star was like hmm this guy deserves another chance you

00:48:24.100 know what i mean yes more warped morality it's totally inverse inverted yeah and the story um also

00:48:31.000 highlights the issue with the bbc so this is the someone has saved it for posterity so the bbc posted

00:48:36.540 independent mp rupert lowe asked if the pm will put the death penalty for overseas and foreign

00:48:41.600 criminals to the public overseas and foreign not what he said at all but

00:48:46.720 yeah i mean i mean if the hat if the if the hat fits yeah i'm prepared to make the case

00:48:54.460 based bbc there yeah yeah just the bbc's like see look what he said and the public's like really

00:49:01.820 yeah yeah you hate foreigners it's like let's go to you go and poll that yeah i mean the problem

00:49:07.080 here bbc they're in a scandal of course over trump and over the footage and what do they do this like

00:49:11.180 oh just smear someone again getting it completely wrong literally the next day next day and also

00:49:16.200 we'll do it about our favorite topic which is immigration oh rupert lowe just wants to kill

00:49:19.720 immigrants of course not what he said he said great campaign slogan that is that page doesn't

00:49:23.420 exist okay they've deleted it he said um he actually said uh oh they've deleted it yeah i

00:49:29.000 thought that one had it anyway but i don't know why not anyway so i said more accurately they said

00:49:34.200 that it oh they've deleted that as well okay so they said that their tweet here's one that more

00:49:38.260 accurately reflects i was like more accurately i was like you've changed foreign and domestic to

00:49:42.360 overseas and foreign that radically changes the meaning one of them means foreigners one of them

00:49:46.060 means foreign and at home any criminal yes i said how interesting the mistake once again completely

00:49:50.960 aligns with the bbc's obvious bias mistakes only happen they lie as easily as they breathe it's the

00:49:56.380 it's just so congenital in the bbc oh are you saying yeah it's literally just their first instinct

00:50:03.600 it's like right rupert lowe said this right we need to lie so yeah but actually the lie might sound

00:50:07.380 good to the british public so you might be worried about that actually how can we twist this to make

00:50:11.880 him look even more based than he actually is yeah so you drew attention to it there and uh

00:50:18.040 rupert lowe i don't know okay i don't know what that one is yeah he's saying i would encourage

00:50:23.560 him to share the bbc's post they deleted the apology yeah yeah so they they they posted an

00:50:28.960 apology and then they deleted the apology posted the thing and said because they deleted the original

00:50:32.660 oh yeah so that's why i've got a gap because the bbc deleted the apology as well wow and so they

00:50:37.540 they're not even they're ashamed that they apologize because what happened is a day later

00:50:41.380 they finally managed to apologize but they seemed that that's gone as well unfortunately yeah but

00:50:45.160 then so the rupert responded to that said with bbc's apology to me impressively that's now three

00:50:48.940 apologies corrections over the disgraceful coverage of me in just four months and he points out that's

00:50:53.760 only of him exactly just defund he said as i said it's always always the mistake always in one

00:50:59.940 direction and then he wants trump to destroy them basically he says defund and all that i mean

00:51:05.180 politics joe even worse rupert lowe calls for the death penalty of asylum seekers at pmqs what

00:51:11.840 what ace politics joe put it on a billboard and see if he gets elected prime minister

00:51:17.380 and they are to apologize earlier today we published a clip of rupert lowe at least for

00:51:22.220 tract anyway falsely claiming he called to introduce a death penalty for asylum seekers we'd like to 0.89

00:51:26.640 clarify he was calling for a referendum on a death penalty in cases of heinous crimes committed by

00:51:29.780 foreign and domestic criminals that's what we're just like oh yeah sorry our bad there that was

00:51:34.760 a slight mistake yeah he never mentioned asylum seekers so we completely fabricated an entirely

00:51:40.460 new sentence foreign and domestic criminals that just means everyone as you say it literally just

00:51:44.680 means anyone who commits a crime so we would like to clarify he was calling for something we didn't

00:51:48.840 say at all like yeah either they're so stupid they can't hear understand the simple sentence or 0.79

00:51:54.400 they're complete liars like pick pick one they're so used to lying and they're so used to not being

00:51:59.140 caught out because uh until literally elon took over twitter how would you have forced them to do

00:52:05.100 this right it was chased off twitter because yeah you kept getting ratio yeah yeah yeah and community

00:52:11.000 this place has become assessment we're leaving yeah yeah you wouldn't have been on there to correct

00:52:14.880 it rupert lowe would be banned probably trump would be banned so yeah exactly that's the point this is

00:52:19.540 why twitter and elon buying it is such a powerful thing they know that they know that like it's just

00:52:25.000 habit to them right the bbc okay quick we'll lie about rupert lowe politics we'll lie about rupert

00:52:29.220 lowe and suddenly trump can see it something elon can see it something everyone can say it's like oh

00:52:33.200 wait whoa yeah no sorry we would like to clarify that we are a bunch of fucking liars and make him 0.92

00:52:40.320 sound more base than he actually is yeah and one reason this is all so serious especially the mps

00:52:45.260 jeering it is because as i said the public actually believe in it so here's a little one here

00:52:50.020 should the death penalty be reintroduced for terrorist murder acts and it has overwhelming support you see

00:52:54.620 here uh this is the would support 57 opposes 33 don't know 10 and it it changes depending on how

00:53:02.460 you ask the question of course yeah so it's just should the death penalty be reintroduced and about

00:53:06.700 50 of people just say yes yeah and i've got that one uh so well this one it's so this one is an earlier

00:53:11.980 one oh there we go yeah this one is from 2022 when it's misleading headline britains don't support

00:53:17.680 death penalty until you name the worst crimes oh so they do yeah so overwhelmingly this was the one

00:53:22.920 where it showed that they actually uh they did support it in cases of multiple murder here

00:53:27.540 terrorist murder acts murder of a child 55 54 52 so majority in all cases even then a third of people

00:53:33.600 in any case of murder yeah which is what it used to be for if you murder someone you get hanged yeah

00:53:39.020 good i think i think rapists should be murdered quite frankly you you've destroyed someone's life

00:53:43.900 and this conversation with bow like no no one that has potentially caused the irreparable damage of

00:53:51.220 someone's life you you forfeited your life at that point see this is why i'm for corporal punishment

00:53:55.780 um i i think that justice should be retributive as in if you take someone's life then your life

00:54:01.940 should be taken yeah that's where rape gets tricky because you can't punish someone with that because

00:54:07.060 then you're committing something immoral that well listen right all i'm saying is diversity is our

00:54:10.820 strength and what do they do in pakistan oh no i'm not saying that um but the point is we you know

00:54:15.860 like this is what floggings were for right yeah so yeah you get 100 lashes there awesome stuff on

00:54:19.800 that oh yeah yeah sorry yeah yeah no no it's i've thought of it all but yeah exactly you know

00:54:23.340 retributive is is a key thing we'll get into that as well this is why kirsten was like it doesn't

00:54:27.160 work so no it does exactly what it's supposed to do yeah just balance the cosmic scale well i was

00:54:31.080 going to say i'll just say it now i was going to say later the idea of retributive justice so

00:54:34.340 people pretend oh you can't kill but because we're somehow becoming as bad as a murder there's

00:54:40.380 a case something like kidnapping they're taking away your freedom you take away their freedom by

00:54:44.820 putting them in prison we do it all the time we match the punishment to the crime all the time

00:54:48.560 but it's only at this most heinous level that people suddenly abandon that oh no we can't do it

00:54:52.360 for death why not you've done it all all the way along but with most libs you sort of look and you

00:54:56.900 think actually you probably don't believe in retributive justice at any level they want to abolish the

00:55:00.500 rehabilitation is all you believe but also like you know not all lives are equal right so it you

00:55:07.440 know if someone's spent their life virtuous morally you know sort of searching for to to benefit their

00:55:17.160 society and their culture their life is clearly worth more than a murderers and so you know if you if 0.99

00:55:23.900 you're looking to sort of cultivate a rich culture a virtuous moral culture those

00:55:30.320 that um remove people's lives and and and and do these heinous acts

00:55:35.220 that their life is not of the same value of the persons that they would have taken from you right

00:55:42.140 so they should be removed from society yeah civilization is for the civilized if you can't

00:55:47.500 act civilized you are removed from civilization yeah that's the key part yeah and it's the deterrent

00:55:52.620 um and i just want to say something carl is going to go to the next one which is

00:55:55.880 which is just more up to date so in case you think oh that was three years ago november 7th last week

00:56:00.960 do britain support the return of corporal and capital punishment well we'll get on to the corporal

00:56:05.280 but bring back stocks i know i'm gonna get on to it's a mere 21 percent bizarrely but in terms of

00:56:10.860 capital punishment 50 percent it's about a third if you combine it together and oppose 45 percent

00:56:15.480 yeah well there we are democracy it works that's why when the mps jeer it they are jeering the

00:56:20.260 british people there's just no other way to see it now you can look at how it breaks down amongst

00:56:24.600 um they're supposed to bring that weakness yeah i know weakness so here you go um the death

00:56:30.420 party here strongly support somewhat support 25 25 so it becomes 50 and if you break it down more

00:56:35.240 eight in ten reform voters support bringing it back quite high for conservatives 67 percent of

00:56:39.500 conservative voters pretty high 35 even among labor voters even 30 for the lib dems base lib dems

00:56:45.920 greens 26 who are these death penalty greens amazing amazing the greens are like yeah we want to kill

00:56:52.080 sorry can we go back to the the stocks thing because i i'm gonna get on to though okay let's get on to it

00:56:57.620 but i was literally gonna get on to i was gonna say that bothers me people say long prison sentences

00:57:02.180 are the most likely to be seen as a tackling crime 66 but death penalty has 62 effectiveness as well

00:57:08.520 no no i think it's 100 effectiveness uh here you go here then i was exactly going to get onto

00:57:13.420 flogging because only 21 support bringing it back it's not enough and uh flog and 70 no that's stocks

00:57:19.280 and 17 flogging and i was just going to also bring up someone who does say morris glassman from uh from

00:57:25.820 blue labor yeah he said let's bring back stocks he says if you get your phone he said i'm quite in

00:57:30.380 favor of public humiliation of these shoplifters bringing back the stocks pelting them with rotten fruit

00:57:34.540 the old ways are the good ways oh god he's so right he says impossible to live in london without

00:57:38.420 having your phone nicked so his point is and i saw this clip on this if they humiliate you like

00:57:42.900 that and it is you know it's happened to me it's horrible absolutely you can pelt them and humiliate

00:57:46.280 them just i'm i'm totally for the flogging though totally yeah i think if you commit a crime you need

00:57:51.960 to feel pain it has to be physical a good society will sort of self-regulate on on many many levels

00:57:58.920 um you know fact shaming for instance fact shaming is one of those things that you know we we've put to

00:58:05.060 bed but you know shame cultural shame uh enforces uh many many things same work and when you yeah

00:58:12.240 genuinely does and but when you've been told no you can't like there used to be men that would men

00:58:20.460 just people society you know uh the the the the old man on the street corner that'd be like you know

00:58:26.740 see you do something no don't do that go do something and because we've sort of uh depowered people

00:58:32.920 from uh public shame these sort of smaller acts grow and yeah it's just i don't know it it suggests

00:58:40.800 to the people committing crimes that actually we're not bothered about these things yeah and actually

00:58:44.800 there's a kind of permissiveness in that yeah whereas if we were to put them in the stocks or

00:58:48.380 if they did something worse flog them publicly they'd probably be only once they'd do that well

00:58:52.920 there's many oh hang on a second that was really unpleasant and like you say those percentages

00:58:56.260 considering how arcane those things are thought to be those percentages are still quite high

00:58:59.900 yeah and yeah it all at root you'll know this at root of course it's it's the personal freedom

00:59:06.160 is their ultimate that's that's the main thing in this liberal society over responsibility social

00:59:12.560 responsibility etc so that's where it all comes from like like you say how dare you call someone

00:59:15.940 someone's free to be fat someone's free to anything you can't be told off by an old person 0.97

00:59:19.520 about how to behave it's all about freedom no responsibility there's many instances isn't there

00:59:24.920 there was that it wasn't that long ago where there was that guy that just pulled his kecks

00:59:30.460 down on a train in front yeah women and children and and the guys got involved and they're the ones

00:59:35.160 being sought by the police it's like right so daniel penny type in in a morally just society

00:59:39.960 those people would be rewarded and congratulated as individuals that stood up for a good culture

00:59:47.700 yes right one which we want to have you know you want people to jump in when there's a certain

00:59:52.800 situation that's happening not you don't want to demoralize that but obviously if you're part of

00:59:58.780 the establishment obviously you do yeah it's just it's nonsense yeah i just love this distinction as

01:00:04.060 well like oh you for the stocks no no not really are you for flogging no no not really are you for

01:00:08.700 executing people yeah obviously yeah it's weird yeah we're civilized maybe it's because they don't think

01:00:14.000 it'll work well i i don't even know i think it's i think it's the sort of brutality of it frankly

01:00:18.940 that the people are put off by yeah the effectiveness in terms of effectiveness well

01:00:22.640 29 said the stocks would work 31 flogging so something get to work but not as many you're right

01:00:28.060 i mean i'm definitely what about tackling crime i'm not talking about tackling crime

01:00:32.680 yeah just the fun of it yeah i'm just saying no what entertainment what do they deserve what do

01:00:37.880 they deserve yeah you beat up this guy it's like okay what do you deserve you stabbed someone

01:00:41.660 they didn't die okay what do you deserve you deserve a bleeding back you deserve to be sat

01:00:46.300 there howling in pain because that's what you did to someone else it's retributive you deserve what

01:00:51.140 you dished out illegitimately if you look at how people treat rupert lowe now this was again

01:00:55.680 deleted this was a former lib dem councillor matthew holbert i'm gonna take a pop up rupert

01:01:00.860 law on twitter yeah exactly he said rupert and i ratio him everyone he said rupert lowe is arguably

01:01:04.740 the most repugnant mp in the house of commerce and quite possibly ever vile hashtag pmqs still using

01:01:10.160 hashtags even though elon debuts i reply rupert lowe is arguably the only mp who speaks for the

01:01:14.780 people so naturally he's hated by regime types and then uh too well so he deleted it it's not even

01:01:19.480 arguable right so um i was i was matching his original sentence for a comic effect but but your

01:01:24.300 point yeah yeah but it's not even arguable because the public have been polled on the death penalty and

01:01:29.880 the mps have been polled on the death penalty and even conservative mps are far to the left of the

01:01:35.200 labor voters yeah on the subject of the death penalty that's mad and it's like zero mps apart

01:01:41.240 from rupert lowe are in favor of the death penalty it's mad yeah there was there's a clip i'm going

01:01:44.980 to hopefully play if we have time with mad journalists but there's another part i don't

01:01:49.080 have where a former tory mp said the typical wet thing well i'm against it's like why are you all

01:01:53.220 against it 67 of conservative voters in favor of it a majority of your own voters because they

01:01:57.960 don't represent their own people they don't represent the british public they don't represent their own 0.79

01:02:01.660 parties what's the rational justification for keeping axel rudy cabana alive yeah you know i

01:02:06.760 want to know he did it categorically we know he did it yeah he's causing more issues kill him get rid

01:02:11.980 of him well that's the one like that's someone that's never going to atone for his sins get rid

01:02:15.560 of him but also what about the justice of it three girls are dead eight eight were stabbed or eleven

01:02:19.780 were stabbed in total three girls are dead and he's now playing video games in a room that he just

01:02:25.460 can't leave and free to perpetrate more evil acts on prisoners yes on prison office later i've got a

01:02:31.100 clip about redemption and there's rehabilitation all this nonsense but the guy allegedly i think

01:02:34.940 we still have to say throws boiling water on a prison guy it's like this guy hasn't repented this

01:02:38.480 guy hasn't he's incapable of it so yes and the idea like oh what if we get the wrong person in reality

01:02:44.060 very rare and with technology who thinks axel rudy cabana didn't do that no one well that's the

01:02:48.300 thing it's like oh what if we get the wrong person okay then we don't execute them like it yeah if

01:02:52.600 there's any doubt if there's any doubt and that's genuinely in philosophy there's two levels of

01:02:57.280 certainty right you've got fallible certainty and infallible certainty and infallible certainty

01:03:02.060 is like four plus two plus two equals four right it's all always this so you can be infallibly

01:03:06.980 certain that that's always going to be the case and okay if there's any kind of fallibility in how

01:03:11.460 certain we are about it one why are you locking them up in the first place if you're not sure that

01:03:15.400 this is the guy that committed the crime why are you locking them up right yeah you're happy to take

01:03:18.380 away 20 years of his life exactly you know i'm gonna kill him you still do that and that goes wrong and 0.91

01:03:21.940 people it's the wrong person but we still do that exactly but but two there are cases like with the

01:03:26.900 league rigby murderers but there's just no doubt it couldn't have been someone else like with

01:03:32.460 axel rudikabana that it couldn't have been someone else no one thinks that so yeah exactly and there's

01:03:36.780 no one's even alleging it might be someone else no axel rudikabana there's a like there's not even a

01:03:40.660 conspiracy theory about it which is weird because there's a conspiracy theory about almost anything

01:03:44.060 yeah there's no conspiracy theory about axel rudikabana being stitched up or something

01:03:47.580 you're gonna start one now yeah and mental exactly no good argument oh yeah um and but look at the way

01:03:53.140 people treat rupert lo this is just some random but rupert lo is an old heathen yes so old heathens

01:03:57.480 back in parliament this is someone admitting their progressive politics is a religion we don't we

01:04:01.840 don't need to go back in time to progress our politics just leave them in a corner to howl to 1.00

01:04:05.380 the moon that's the point we're not trying to get progress your progress is axel rudikabana didn't

01:04:10.140 do anything wrong don't tempt me with a good time oh yeah i know and zoe williams went on ian dale's show

01:04:15.420 and uh it's hard to outlib ian dale but she managed to she's a lefty journalist and she says some

01:04:20.640 nonsense we've seen how ugly these as soon as these kind of absolutely toxic binary uncompromising 1.00

01:04:28.620 debates are thrown into the political arena we have nasty nasty fights about them that last for

01:04:34.800 years get us nowhere and take us away from this business no it's not about democracy i'm sorry ian

01:04:40.640 that is not true you know we've lived through the last 10 years of these binary politics where

01:04:45.960 the right-wing outriders like this reform mp come in and they're like hey why don't we just

01:04:52.080 secede from the human rights act why don't we just leave europe why don't we just have a death penalty 0.93

01:04:56.820 and we all spend years chasing our tails about these ugly ideas and nothing gets done and everything

01:05:04.360 is worse afterwards whoa whoa whoa no you're upset because you lose these arguments and we win these

01:05:10.100 arguments yeah if you're going to give the example of brexit as a great example yeah we won that you lost

01:05:14.780 that cry about it if you're talking about the echr you're going to lose that too and we're going to

01:05:19.220 win it and if it comes to the death penalty if we're going to i don't know put it to a referendum

01:05:22.640 or something we're going to win that because we are literally going to put billboards of axel

01:05:26.920 rudy cabana wall to wall in this entire country and say you want him alive yeah we don't we're

01:05:32.640 already ahead before the campaign we haven't even started campaigning 50 to 45 yeah and notice he also

01:05:37.740 said this reform mp so she's completely ill-informed because he hasn't been for ages it's also very

01:05:42.080 revealing as well right like nothing gets done you know we're going to chase ourselves nothing

01:05:47.740 gets done it's like right but but everything you're doing everyone hates and also like everyone

01:05:52.280 actually despises what your attitude and your politics and your mindset does everyone hates it

01:05:57.460 everyone hates it we did get it done everything's been done and it's not like the liberal establishment

01:06:02.040 is getting loads done if it wasn't for these pesky referendums whatever they are getting anything

01:06:06.400 but whatever they are getting done everyone hates that's true everyone looks around at their

01:06:10.760 their towns now and goes this is awful this is dreadful and my tax is being spaffed up the wall

01:06:15.440 on nonsense foreigners and they can't stop a dinghy anyway sorry just a quick thing this is why 0.89

01:06:20.500 they're constantly going about well we've got to be against division because division means two

01:06:24.560 sides of an argument and we have to settle on one side and it's division that led to brexit it's

01:06:29.740 division that leads to them losing arguments and so that's why they're so against the concept of

01:06:34.200 division i'm sorry no i'm for division because we're going to win the arguments and you lose

01:06:37.820 the argument division is democracy as well because like we can't we can't put things to a democratic

01:06:43.880 vote yeah exactly i know ian dale actually making a point for a change that's madness isn't it she

01:06:50.020 said actually an even more mad thing so oh god really just to go because it's so relevant so it's

01:06:54.720 two two main points in here one is this idea about redemption now you can decide what she really

01:06:59.200 means if she i think she might mean rehabilitation then she makes this classic half-baked appeal to a

01:07:03.500 christian morality that she doesn't actually understand so it's worth uh playing all of it

01:07:07.480 let's just play there isn't you know there is a moral case here about the right of the state to

01:07:14.000 take away the life of a human being and there is a case that however gruesome and appalling a person

01:07:20.660 is everybody is capable of redemption everybody is you know we've all seen we've all seen we've all

01:07:27.280 read about the most terrible criminals in grendon the world's first psychotherapeutic prison and

01:07:33.460 and and and the kind of the way the human spirit can turn a corner there is absolutely no justification

01:07:40.820 for one for the state to take away well i'm not in favor of the death penalty but to think that

01:07:47.540 somebody like rose west can be redeemed and rehabilitated it's just for the birds i know but 0.93

01:07:53.220 it's not for you to say is it is i mean i'm not you know i'm not religious but i know it's not for

01:07:58.800 you to say it's not for me to say and it's not for us to take anybody's opinion anyway listen that's not

01:08:03.780 that's not even so she again goes on and it's half-baked religious idea so she's all over the place 1.00

01:08:09.040 one the idea that someone like ruda cabana can be redeemed is so obscene but two the idea oh i i know

01:08:14.480 that it goes against religion well it doesn't which we can get into which religion yes it doesn't

01:08:19.320 but this is where it got complicated because i've said this on twitter and rupert low uh said that um

01:08:26.420 ruda cabana is not capable of redemption and so when the death penalty is restored he should be the 1.00

01:08:30.960 first to receive it and this some people got kind of theological about it ricky doolin replied to me

01:08:34.760 and said even ruda cabana can be forgiven by jesus if he's sincerely repentant turn up and make his

01:08:38.820 argument can't he and yeah he says we should never try to play god i made some arguments to him i said well

01:08:43.180 he can repent but we can still uphold the death penalty the two are not in contradiction and i said

01:08:47.500 the alleged boiling water attack shows he's not repented and then i said her vague argument makes

01:08:51.420 me suspect she means rehabilitation which i think she really does rather than spiritual redemption

01:08:54.960 because with spiritual redemption so aquinas said that actually if you're going to be executed you're

01:09:00.020 more likely to repent because you know your death's coming it actually encourages it if you're talking

01:09:04.740 about a spiritual plane and if you don't even at that point then you're really wrong and who was

01:09:09.520 beyond help anyway so this lefty idea they're mixing up the rehabilitation and redemption i think

01:09:14.460 you can be redeemed in the eyes of god but we can still as a state execute you sure that god can make

01:09:19.280 his own judgments about axel rudicabana when we send him there yeah and this is literally what it says

01:09:23.700 in the bible he who kills man should be killed by man or something like that genesis 9 6 yeah and then

01:09:28.180 you know i mean whoever sheds the blood of man by man shall his blood be shed it's after noah in genesis 9 6

01:09:33.520 checkmate christian no no not even christian christian like checkmate atheists trying to 0.51

01:09:37.980 weaponize christianity against christians but also this whole thing about oh well he could be redeemed

01:09:43.460 why would we want to rehabilitate or redeem someone who murdered three children like sorry i'm not seeing

01:09:50.040 why we would want to do that i want to see him hanging until he is dead yeah and they don't know why

01:09:56.420 their arguments are so half-baked and if you do want some of the arguments uh i there's a good article

01:10:02.160 from ed fazor he's a catholic so it's very catholic but it's if you you may or may not be catholic but

01:10:07.160 there are many arguments against it you mentioned genesis 9 6 yeah uh there's also romans 13 the

01:10:11.860 governing authority does not bear the sword in vain he's a servant of god to execute his wrath on the

01:10:15.960 wrongdoer that's saint paul um and he because it's hope saint pius the fifth made a great point people

01:10:22.520 say there's a commandment against murder well he said no that's not murder that's the state who is

01:10:26.500 righteous stopping more murders and deterring murders so it's actually consistent there's also

01:10:31.380 aquinas as i've said who made the case of it on the grounds of redemption and there's so many

01:10:36.220 cases like that so i just want to address that because there's this half-baked thing oh you're

01:10:40.980 a christian you can't believe in death but yes you can in fact you're kind of spiritually obliged to

01:10:45.260 believe in the death yeah there's certainly a strong argument literally in the bible and on natural law

01:10:49.220 on well they've committed they've committed murder so we have the right to take their life

01:10:53.020 that's also the strong argument which we discussed earlier retributive justice there's loads of strong

01:10:57.980 arguments for it so let's not just it's just so half-baked this idea oh it's just a glib is the

01:11:03.780 glib is the fact that she's appealing to her morality here because i'm sorry hey one i don't show

01:11:07.580 your morality right this like there there is there is a i guess we'll call it a right-wing style morality

01:11:13.180 like a sort of nietzschean view that no we we have to allow the catharsis of the family of the victims

01:11:20.320 to gain their ability to essentially view the world as just again because when what when he is

01:11:27.560 allowed to take the lives of their children and he does not have to repay in kind why should the

01:11:33.820 family of the victims not feel that the universe is fundamentally unjust why should they not feel

01:11:38.700 that way obviously they're going to feel that way right and obviously there's going to be this

01:11:42.400 essentially moral impulse in them to say well i should be retro i should be rectifying this

01:11:48.420 we kind of have a moral obligation to bring this back it's essentially a blood guilt um on

01:11:54.820 axel rudy cabana so it's like there is there are moral arguments as to why it should happen

01:11:59.320 it's not just the other way you easily expose our arguments and you end up realizing in many cases

01:12:03.600 they don't believe in retributive justice as i've said at all they only believe in rehabilitation

01:12:07.640 it's like what do you believe in what and why as i've said why when you reach this worst crime

01:12:13.140 does all logic and principle go out the window we'll we'll fine you for this we'll imprison you for this

01:12:18.180 here are all the punishments oh we can't do that one though what yeah why not a bunch of money you

01:12:23.480 get fined or you get locked up but also they're they're appealing to things that they don't even

01:12:27.180 believe in for starters but also reject i reject the premise of that as an argument why can't we

01:12:31.960 transcend this religious argument against it like don't even entertain it you know yes i'm not

01:12:37.600 you could weaponize exactly exactly you can weaponize it against them sure fine but reject the

01:12:42.500 premise entirely and say no we can transcend that right we can rise above that and say well no

01:12:47.880 we're we're as a society we've progressed as a as a culture we've progressed and this doesn't fit

01:12:53.180 the current um sort of cultivated society that we have now no so project that bye-bye you don't

01:13:00.340 believe in it anyway i'm not going to just i don't know i'm not going to entertain you're saying the

01:13:05.360 secular case for the death penalty by saying it's progress and there's a more i mean there's

01:13:09.820 philosophical arguments for the death penalty yeah there's philosophical there's christian

01:13:13.580 just going back to the the odinus yeah but they but i'm saying even when they make that appeal to

01:13:18.820 christianity it doesn't stack up because it's a very strong case in favor yeah philosophically it

01:13:22.940 doesn't work on any level which is why the wisdom of the british people vox populi vox day they say

01:13:27.860 let's bring it back but the mps just the glib mps like no it's bad and it's bad because we've heard

01:13:32.760 it's bad right we know it's bad we don't even know why we just know it's bad it's it's because

01:13:37.680 it feels like uh an ultimate authority right because what what the what the sort of progressive

01:13:44.080 left always want to do is essentially make everything feel fluffy and fuzzy and so no

01:13:47.840 one's really being forced into something so well you know we're going to try and redeem him in

01:13:52.660 prison maybe he'll get out for good behavior and stuff like this like they always want everything

01:13:56.280 to be a choice in some way yes and consent yeah exactly and if you're saying we're doing this to

01:14:01.160 you because you've done wrong that goes against their whole idea exactly and so it for to them it

01:14:05.540 just feels icky and to that i say i don't care i want him blood eagled all right i don't care about

01:14:10.880 your feelings on this yeah i want serious punishments and pain for these people and by the way you know

01:14:16.020 it's a horrible thing i read what i watched dead dead man walking just to remind myself like it's a

01:14:20.300 horrible thing death penalty but killing three kids is worse so it has to be done exactly just imagine

01:14:25.420 the horror in those in like 20 minutes or however long it took the absolute horror of him

01:14:31.600 plunging the knife over and over into the bodies of children yeah like you know literally like seven

01:14:36.900 or eight year old children and it's just look you are on you are on the side of that when you say

01:14:42.980 that we shouldn't do something to bring that to balance yeah absolutely it's funny i watched that

01:14:48.620 film it's a hollywood film dead man walking i was like okay it's making anti-death penalty case

01:14:52.360 sort of broadly but then the guy only repents when he knows he's definitely gonna die and can't wriggle

01:14:58.160 out of it anymore so it proves the christian premise which is funny but now he can go to

01:15:03.140 heaven yeah they're partly aware of that maybe but yeah you're right when you think about the

01:15:06.520 reality of it when you learn how many times he stabs somebody goes you're like what are you even

01:15:09.740 talking about yeah we have to do this you're you're always thinking in some sort of abstract way

01:15:14.860 that the the events no longer matter the events of the thing no longer matter the horror that they put

01:15:21.660 they portray um they forced on someone else you're not concerned about their lack of consent

01:15:26.580 you're not concerned about their rights you're not concerned about the the cut this the station

01:15:30.920 of the victim you're you only see the perpetrator as the victim because now we have the opportunity

01:15:36.560 to bring him to justice i hate it i hate it so much me too anyway do we have video comments today jack

01:15:42.420 okay i'll do you want to get them up um it's been revealed that the treasury minister michael portillo

01:15:49.240 i think former treasury minister uh maybe he's current uh carries a sawn-off shotgun to constituency

01:15:55.720 meetings corners children's in parks and choose their cheeks what oh it's since been discovered

01:16:01.000 all right again that's a parody from max but thank you for the large donation much brilliant

01:16:04.980 uh i'm still thinking what what what is this um you know that's the point isn't it they make up a

01:16:11.360 thing to try and make you sound bad but the thing is what they made up about rupert makes them

01:16:15.700 sound good and the public would broadly agree with it because i mean like no one wants illegal

01:16:19.840 immigrants coming across and half the people just want the death penalty returned if you're like 0.99

01:16:25.260 yeah so basically rupert's promising gunboats in the channel i bet i poll them you gov it's

01:16:30.320 incredible rupert lowe put gunships in the channel sure of the marines yeah it's almost

01:16:33.960 cinematic that we have literally one mp that represents the people it's almost like a darker 0.98

01:16:38.700 sour with like there is one person like oh not him you know it's churchill yeah rublo's literally

01:16:43.480 the only guy against the whole jeering crowd it's insane and i love the fact he just doesn't

01:16:47.660 care about their opinions right right i don't respect any of you people

01:16:50.940 um they seem to lose the difference between man and god's law yep uh a parade through the town to

01:16:58.320 the stocks and gallows on the weekend might even revive the high street uh yeah i mean i'd turn

01:17:02.300 up for it don't know about you go have a coffee and a nice absolutely yes sell tickets raise revenue

01:17:09.760 yeah uh it's more complicated than that not is just not wanting to press the fix everything switch

01:17:15.420 oh that's so true as well like just press the fix everything switch yeah yeah just flog them

01:17:20.060 through the streets and then hang them and we will have a better society overnight like

01:17:24.920 imagine how many criminals are just committing crimes because they know that if they get caught

01:17:29.240 they're going to get a suspended sentence yeah or nothing if you're shoplifting it's nothing

01:17:33.400 it's like right stocks for a day yeah yeah stocks for a day or if you do something violent

01:17:37.860 you get flogged so you know you've got 10 lashes or something you're gonna be like okay

01:17:41.580 you're gonna see that guy getting lashed the first time you're like bro we're not doing that bro

01:17:44.740 you know we're not doing whatever you know that's what i would say you don't have to do it once or

01:17:47.960 twice exactly you don't have to do it very often you know and my god would it be great content

01:17:52.820 anyway let's get to the video comments

01:17:57.460 i really think this says a lot about the state of things the local council building here has a black

01:18:05.560 history month flag flying and just opposite it a bunch of england flags obviously not put up by

01:18:14.520 the council based let's go to the next one as there have been so many black pills recently

01:18:23.440 i thought i would just send this in to cheer everyone up

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01:18:57.600 it all over himself but it didn't stain anything that's ridiculous i just can't bring myself to

01:19:02.600 care about student debt if you're smart enough to go to university you should be smart enough to choose

01:19:07.400 a pathway that will earn you enough money to pay off those debts if you've chosen a career that's

01:19:12.760 worthless then you as the student who chose that worthless career should be the one who damn well

01:19:18.880 pays for it i find the debt forgiveness aspect of student loans to be utterly disgusting you made 0.67

01:19:26.320 that really shit decision and you should be the one who pays for it starbucks baristas called out but 1.00

01:19:32.320 they aren't we pay for it that's the issue that's the problem right we subsidize this ridiculous

01:19:39.320 industry of education that is the universities and academia we subsidize all of that it's absurd

01:19:46.800 because there are people that will never pay back their loans that we pay for brilliant what he's

01:19:52.080 saying is why it's so annoying that the um the amount of foreign nurses and doctors that we employ 1.00

01:19:58.240 and yet we're still subsidizing new uh homegrown doctors and nurses that's a complete false economy 1.00

01:20:04.640 like at the very least allow them to work so they can pay back their goddamn loan 1.00

01:20:09.400 that's nonsense isn't it i was just sending them abroad no what it's worse in america as well

01:20:14.160 way worse student debt is like four or five times higher than what they're saying it's actually

01:20:19.280 mad is there another one

01:20:21.280 he doesn't know uh omar says uh no kings but hassan thinks the perfect society

01:20:27.600 as a lifetime ruler with total unilateral control of the country i hope his monkey's poor wish comes

01:20:32.780 true but in orange well this this is the thing about hassan it's just like this

01:20:40.540 how to describe like it must be some sort of big act right his entire career must be some kind of

01:20:46.940 performance piece because there's no way you would be that stupid like at least in america

01:20:51.740 the government will never you know arrest him for things he says on his stream he might get de-platformed

01:20:57.100 which he won't but he might you know he might find himself in trouble with the companies that uh

01:21:02.300 you know who are making his merch or something like that but it's not going to be the government

01:21:05.580 that kicks down his door and arrests him for criticizing the u.s government was in china that

01:21:09.420 literally happened to him while he was there yeah so it's just and he wasn't even critical

01:21:15.420 so it's just we doesn't it doesn't really believe in anything though does he he's just he's

01:21:19.340 a larper through and through right like he's a socialist that lives in a in a mansion 1.00

01:21:23.180 yeah right so he doesn't he doesn't actually believe in anything yes just a complete larper

01:21:28.540 alex says piker is a prime example of the normative nature of the left compared to the 0.87

01:21:32.220 descriptive nature of the right hassan doesn't really love china as much he says but he wants

01:21:36.780 to love china as an alternative to the west so he acts though he loves it yeah there was also a

01:21:40.380 distinct feeling of inauthenticity with him being like i'm so sick here it's like is it i don't feel

01:21:46.780 like you really believe that you know you're not exactly overflowing with joy it feels like you kind

01:21:51.580 of have to say it hector says if you were to denaturalize hassan where would you send him

01:21:55.980 well in turkey which is where he's from uh but i mean maybe he'd request china i don't know

01:22:01.100 i don't think he has citizenship anywhere else well he's a turk so he could get citizenship from turkey 0.94

01:22:06.060 he was born in turkey i think grew up in america and then grew up partially in turkey as well roman

01:22:12.220 observer says i'm of the opinion that traditional chinese culture confucianism imperial bureaucracy maps

01:22:17.580 perfectly with communism authoritarian regime they will never get rid of it

01:22:21.100 um i actually don't know much about confucianism so i couldn't comment on that born in new jersey

01:22:25.900 but grew up in istanbul oh there we go circus parents yeah he naturalized derek says if china

01:22:31.500 were ruled by british hong kong then china would be awesome otherwise emperor's thumb down well i mean 0.92

01:22:36.380 i don't have any personal desire for us to rule china or anything but uh there's no doubt that it's just

01:22:42.940 not what it was intended to be right it was intended to be a communist state it's not a communist state so

01:22:48.620 you know and also it's got a dictatorship why are we treating it as if this is normal yeah anyway

01:22:56.700 uh so the rich man who is only communist in name likes the rich country that is only communist in

01:23:01.100 name it's new exactly my point exactly my point in all fairness to china they made an entire mock-up 0.56

01:23:09.900 english town called london town and ironically looks more english in the real london amazing such

01:23:14.380 things also exist in pakistan there's an england area of pakistan which is made by pakistanis who

01:23:20.540 live in england move back and like i kind of hate pakistan i'm gonna make new birmingham basically but

01:23:26.220 the thing is it didn't look bad uh it actually looks better than birmingham what are we doing i hate it 0.80

01:23:33.020 so much i know i know uh i never understood the meme of hassan having a tiny head until the clip of

01:23:38.540 him explaining chinese surveillance well that's true he's got microcephaly um

01:23:46.380 allegedly i don't know hassan let's let's get some tests done michael says um

01:23:53.580 that's the us army we used to joke that england had the greatest military in the world run on a

01:23:57.500 shoestring budget well that's always been true uh nate's point nate's point bears that out england

01:24:02.220 spent more on the ukrainian military than they spent on the english troops deployed in combat

01:24:05.900 that's just a uh clear f you to the british people yeah but it's always been the case we've

01:24:10.060 always had a tiny and underfunded military and yet we keep winning uh omar says uh it's such deceptive

01:24:17.020 language to imply the money was lost but it just goes to show how little how little people care about

01:24:21.820 public funds the numbers are so insane the only way to relate to it is how much is taken from you

01:24:26.380 on a yearly basis yeah that's exactly the thing it's like you know it's like right we're sending 28

01:24:30.060 billion to ukraine what does that mean well look if one percent of that was put in your bank account you

01:24:34.940 would never have to work again it was a bank error in your favor and it was one percent of that you

01:24:41.340 would be unbelievably rich for the rest of your life that's why when you poll or you do sort of

01:24:47.180 vox pop uh and actually ask leftists like you know do you support um you know immigrants living in

01:24:53.980 hotels they're like yeah yeah absolutely absolutely you're like okay you well you know would you put

01:24:58.700 one up in your house no okay well how much of your tax would you personally want to give to that up

01:25:02.700 what exactly like if it's a material value then it then it becomes more real to these idiots

01:25:08.940 anyone wondering four billion a year god that's again that's such a huge amount of money

01:25:15.500 you know if four million was put into your account by accident you'd be like holy shit

01:25:20.380 you know it's such huge figures you can't even properly conceive of how much we're spending

01:25:26.700 uh russian says ukraine corrupt no not russia 2.0 um yeah no exactly they're just a democracy bro

01:25:33.900 they're just fighting for their democracy it's like shut up yeah uh carl's evil twin vorsch says

01:25:40.780 don't forget the money that ukraine funneled through the sam bankman freeze crypto exchange

01:25:44.780 wonder who that many went to yeah i know that's another like it's like he went to jail for it

01:25:49.980 he's still in jail in fact over this uh michael says so zelinski is like the cop in casablanca

01:25:56.860 corruption in ukraine never takes a large bag of cash uh ben says major corruption scandal breaks

01:26:03.740 in ukraine uk no problem have 30 have an extra 13 million to repair your energy such did we give

01:26:08.620 them 30 million oh that might have been a development that happened let me did we really yeah oh for god's

01:26:14.220 sake

01:26:18.620 it's just so naive to think that obvious you know that zelinski is not corrupt as well all of his best

01:26:24.700 mates and high allies personal businessmen are all corrupted but he's not he's the one good boy do we

01:26:30.620 give him more money i just hate this government so much i so what so right okay so two days ago

01:26:39.580 on the government's website they posted the uk is strengthening uk uk ukrainian resilience ahead of

01:26:45.180 winter again at the g7 foreign ministers meeting what we're going to do because ukraine have got so

01:26:49.980 much problem we've announced 13 million pounds of funding to repair that energy sector so they

01:26:54.220 get through the winter while we are cutting the parent the page payments to our own pensioners

01:27:00.860 just oh you can't hate them enough you know you can't i mean it's literally like we're going to

01:27:05.340 raise 500 million from farmers and tax the farmers give 500 million to brazil yeah it's just like

01:27:11.900 i just it's it's like the government is schizophrenic like i just hate hate them so much we've got 20 20 0.56

01:27:19.660 billion black hole but we need to do some carbon capture for 22 billion you're mental yeah this is

01:27:26.140 not a sustainable system fyi um i honestly i just anyway right let's count i didn't even know about

01:27:35.660 that i didn't know about that either i didn't even know about that um thanks for enraging us yeah i know

01:27:41.900 and it thinks it's like 13 million of all of the amount of our money that they piss away that's a

01:27:46.460 very small amount but it's the it's the way that it happens yeah uh omar says when florida announces

01:27:52.540 peters will first face the death penalty the lgbt cry it's homophobic discrimination yeah what do 1.00

01:27:57.020 they mean yeah it was a weird thing to react to wasn't it um cynthia says just tell the lefties that

01:28:03.500 the death penalty is extra late stage abortion and it should be acceptable yeah that's another thing 1.00

01:28:07.980 the labor government like yeah we want abortion up to the point of birth and so that's legal now in the

01:28:12.460 united kingdom right so it's like they heard something happened in california sick yeah and

01:28:16.860 they had to do it themselves i know they want to kill the innocent and the unborn just not the guilty

01:28:22.860 genuinely mad why is the establishment so insistent uh of seeing things from the

01:28:28.140 criminals perspective rather than the victims it's called anarcho-tyranny folks i call it anarcho-tyranny

01:28:33.340 it is crazy isn't it because they really it's almost like they they believe that only criminals have

01:28:38.460 human rights yeah they don't care whether you get stabbed or you get robbed or anything like that

01:28:43.580 95 of crime is going uninvestigated but if something happens to the criminal ah well we have to protect

01:28:49.260 the criminal i always say they passionately unconditionally love migrant rapists illegal

01:28:53.420 migrant rapists but they hate a tax-paying law-abiding british mom that's the most like that's the most 1.00

01:28:59.340 correct that's where we are and i i totally agree with uh um becaly on this one where he's like what

01:29:05.260 about the human rights of the the general population like they have a human right not to

01:29:09.420 get raped or murdered or stolen from or whatever by criminals so we should lock them up yeah and worse

01:29:15.660 henry says with some criminals is pun is prison even punishment is a bed meals and things like free

01:29:21.420 console games and gangs to join not in the uk the uk's prisons are like prisons in the uk are great but

01:29:27.740 they're fine they've got mobile phones yeah they're sleeping with the officers i mean it's mental

01:29:34.700 nigel farage post about the guy who broke in and threatened to kill him how he's posting tiktoks

01:29:39.900 from prison yeah how's it got phone what are we doing man and yeah the the we'll we'll we'll allow

01:29:45.020 the male prison to be guarded over by a bunch of 20 something female guards it's like really what 1.00

01:29:49.900 might happen there and it keeps happening obviously is it i just but they can't believe that look

01:29:56.860 prisons are a punishment when they're incredibly bleak and awful yeah but ours aren't so it's not really a

01:30:01.900 punishment is it baron von moorhawk says bring back the death penalty isn't enough they need to bring

01:30:07.660 back public executions oh hell yeah i think we definitely for the rape gangs absolutely yeah we

01:30:11.900 spend i think it's about 50 000 pound per year on each prisoner which is insane i looked the sum up

01:30:18.540 uh i don't know a while ago but yeah 50 000 pound per year so everyone that we put in prison

01:30:23.580 quite literally is it their sort of financial life is more than what you get per year the average

01:30:31.580 brick gets in a salary per year i mean that's mental their life should be awful the amount that

01:30:36.540 we spend on someone that's in prison should be five grand a year they should be eating and and

01:30:42.220 drinking slop it should be bring back rule it should be awful for i'm sick of hearing about the

01:30:47.580 prisoners where's the where's the prevent that's not prevention is it where if they can have lovely

01:30:52.300 meals every day has to involve suffering yeah that's what it comes down yeah you should be like

01:30:56.780 we're just gonna remove your freedom oh okay you get to sit in a nice warm cozy cell and play your

01:31:03.180 video games and watch tv and go on the internet yeah it's like that's what i would do if i had nothing

01:31:07.900 else to do it's the same attitude thinking that expulsion or yeah you know a suspension from

01:31:13.260 from school is a punishment for these kids they've come to school for one week young man yeah great

01:31:17.980 oh brilliant okay excellent yeah again bring back the cane anyway on that note we're out of time but do

01:31:24.220 join us in half an hour on loci's.com as we're going to be doing a lads hour um this i don't know how

01:31:30.700 it's kind of kind of going to be like who would you do lads hour what but we'll we'll no one's

01:31:36.220 consulted yeah i've not been told but it's so but we're going through e-girls but not based on

01:31:43.740 their looks okay everything about the e-girls other than their looks what's not basically

01:31:48.460 sounds a bit um sounds very it sounds feminist intellectual prowess can't wait to hear about 1.00

01:31:53.580 the egos it's going to be funny dan's been working on it all day and he's amazing he's really proud of

01:31:58.620 it and his his last lads hour was incredible as well so i expect this one to be quite good so join

01:32:02.860 us in a half an hour for lads hour and we'll see you there

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The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - November 14, 2025

The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1296

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