The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1297

00:00:00.000 Hello and welcome to the podcast of the Lotus Eaters, episode 1297 for Monday the 17th of

00:00:07.200 November 2025. I'm your host Luca, joined by your regular-ish Monday trio of myself,

00:00:15.040 Firas and Stelios. Hello everyone. Hello. And today we're going to be talking all about the

00:00:20.240 fact that we may actually be getting the Epstein files. Crazy, crazy times. One can only wonder.

00:00:27.040 Suddenly they exist again. They do exist again. They are Schrodinger's files. Sometimes they

00:00:32.860 exist, sometimes they don't. Right. And today they exist. Okay. That's good. We're also going to be

00:00:38.320 talking about who profits from attacking MAGA and the base. And then we're also going to be talking

00:00:44.280 about how, and I'm just reading this now from your description of it, how Labour's far-right plan to

00:00:50.000 fix asylum will bring in more asylum seekers. What a wonderful assessment. Yeah. Yes.

00:00:58.060 Everything Labour turns to dust. Yes. All right. Well, we'll look forward, well, not look forward

00:01:03.540 to it, but we'll talk about that in segment three. Anyway, before we say any of that though, I just

00:01:10.220 want to draw your attention, ladies and gentlemen, to the latest episode of Chronicles, because it was

00:01:15.200 one that I sat down with, with Brother Stelios and we talked about the third play in Aeschylus' trilogy,

00:01:23.840 the Oresteia, talking all about the great hero, Orestes, son of Agamemnon, and really how Aeschylus

00:01:30.860 uses this play and this entire trilogy to basically show the transition away from the classical age of

00:01:39.840 heroism towards the civic polity and the laws of men under the divine blessing of Athena. So it's a

00:01:47.660 very, very philosophical play, wonderful writing by Aeschylus and Stelios, it was a real joy to do it.

00:01:54.340 It was, and it was the best Chronicles we've done so far. I think so too. The next ones are going to

00:01:59.120 be better, but this is the greatest yet. Right. This is the best you've got from us so far. So

00:02:04.120 get on it. All right then. So we may remember, cast our minds back to Trump's first campaign,

00:02:13.560 back when he was going to become president, back when he put in his initial bid, back, you know,

00:02:17.680 before becoming president in 2016. The three words I think that stuck out more than any others

00:02:23.600 were drain the swamp. Yes. A very simple promise. And although it sounds abstract and, you know,

00:02:30.780 people can interpret it in different ways. Who are the strong, who are the swamp? Yes. What are the

00:02:36.860 actual, what are the actual objectives that will mean that it has been sufficiently drained and so

00:02:44.420 on and so forth. But the point was, of course, that millions of Americans put their trust in Donald

00:02:49.820 Trump as the anti-corruption candidate. Yeah. But bear also in mind that there is a difference between

00:02:57.020 realists and utopians. Sure. And this definitely affected different interpretations of what drain

00:03:03.360 the swamp mean. Because I have heard people who thought that every three-letter agency was going

00:03:08.940 to be dissolved. Sure. It was never going to happen. No. No. Very, very, very unlikely. And what's

00:03:15.120 more as well, of course, Trump's first term came and went. And then, of course, we had the blip

00:03:20.900 that was Biden. And then we came back round to the Donald again in this heroic arc where it really

00:03:27.680 felt like the return of the king. And if you'll just indulge the charisma vacuum that is Lex Friedman

00:03:34.200 for a minute, we'll just play this clip from Trump himself talking about what we should expect from

00:03:40.340 his next administration when it came to the Epstein files.

00:03:45.060 A lot of people are very interested in footage of UFOs. The Pentagon has released a few videos.

00:03:55.060 And there's been anecdotal reports from fighter pilots. So a lot of people want to know, will

00:03:59.880 you help push the Pentagon to release more footage, which a lot of people claim is available?

00:04:06.520 I don't want the aliens. A lot of people did. Why do you think so many smart, powerful people

00:04:11.900 allowed him to get so close? He was a good salesman. He was, you know, a hailing, hardy type of guy.

00:04:23.820 He had some nice assets that he'd throw around, like islands. But a lot of big people went to that

00:04:30.220 island. But fortunately, I was not one of them. It's just very strange for a lot of people that

00:04:37.960 the list of clients that went to the island has not been made public.

00:04:43.440 Yeah, it's very interesting, isn't it? Probably will be, by the way.

00:04:48.860 So if you're able to, you'll be?

00:04:51.020 Yeah, I'd certainly take a look at it. Now, Kennedy's interesting because it's so many years ago.

00:04:56.660 You know, they do that for danger, too, because, you know, it endangers certain people, etc., etc.

00:05:01.800 So Kennedy is very different from the Epstein thing. But yeah, I'd be inclined to do the

00:05:09.600 Epstein. I'd have no problem with it.

00:05:11.700 I'd have no problem with it.

00:05:13.780 Okay.

00:05:14.300 Seems pretty clear cut as far as it went. And so and then, of course, we will all remember

00:05:19.440 this total farce from...

00:05:22.240 That joke, yes.

00:05:23.200 Phase one that was a release of the Epstein files, all given to online personalities. And

00:05:31.660 not the people that you'd expect such an important set of documents to go to. You know, at least

00:05:39.320 release them entirely to the public. And then what's more as well, these documents turned

00:05:44.300 out to be even more heavily redacted than the ones that we already really had access to.

00:05:49.480 But of course, in the implication of there being a phase one, it of course logically follows

00:05:55.740 that we might expect at some point a phase two.

00:05:59.080 We never really got phase two. Phase two just sort of disappeared into the ether. And as

00:06:03.840 the months went on, it... Hello. It seems that... Oh, all right. That's not too helpful,

00:06:10.340 is it? As the months went on, it seems that essentially what happened was Trump became more and more

00:06:18.800 hostile in terms of just taking questions about Epstein. Whenever his name came up from a

00:06:26.720 journalist, from someone in the media, it was always just, you know, stonewalled by him. And

00:06:35.200 what's more as well, the idea was that actually there was nothing to see here and it was all very

00:06:40.080 much case closed. And then, thank you. So we had this truth post from him where he basically said,

00:06:46.240 look, the Epstein files actually fall into the exact same category as Russiagate and all of the other

00:06:54.160 grand conspiracies that the Democrats had leveled at him. Actually, what this was, was a Democrat

00:07:00.320 coup, sorry, a Democrat conspiracy in order to hurt Trump, MAGA, and the Republicans. Now, this,

00:07:11.840 putting aside the actual questionable morality of this deflection, which is of course repugnant,

00:07:19.440 not only in the sense that obviously showing that he is actually going to now become an obstacle to the

00:07:26.240 justice for these women, but also gaslighting his own base and saying, if you dare to be concerned

00:07:35.200 about this or raise this, even though I gave you the expectation that I would be very transparent and

00:07:41.040 just about all this, you holding me to my own commitments is problematic. That's the thing. He

00:07:47.120 campaigned on it. And then I think it was a farce the way they did it. And especially was that the files

00:07:54.400 and the binders were heavily reducted, as you mentioned. So when you are campaigning upon such

00:07:59.920 a promise, you have to expect that there is going to be a backlash when you don't deliver. It's common

00:08:06.960 sense. And yeah, this is definitely something that will come back to haunt him because once they did the

00:08:15.200 reducted thing that he gave the permit, not permission, the, the opportunity for everyone

00:08:24.560 who wants to attack him to actually attack him and project their own enemies as Trump's allies,

00:08:31.760 whether they are or not. You're absolutely right. And so then all of a sudden you got the Democrats

00:08:37.280 using this to go on the offensive against Trump when it was entirely needless. Well,

00:08:42.880 I say needless, of course, the fact of the matter is that this is the dark, this is the darkest heart

00:08:49.920 of the swamp. This is where the bog is. It's darkest. And this is where the mangroves are thick,

00:08:55.440 thickest. And ultimately there are a lot of vested interests. And some of them I suspect we don't even

00:09:01.920 know exist. Yeah. You know, who just do not want these files to come out, but we know they exist.

00:09:08.880 Pam Bondi told us they existed. She told us they were in fact on her desk. And then all of a sudden

00:09:14.240 they went from being on the desk to that being a figure of speech. And actually they weren't real at

00:09:19.520 all. And on and on it went. But all this time, Trump was tearing through a lot of the trust

00:09:27.920 that he, not as a Republican, but he as an individual, as a father of MAGA,

00:09:36.080 had built up, had accrued over years and years and years. And it was just a real tragedy to see.

00:09:43.280 And so when Elon points out here, whoa, I can't believe Epstein killed himself before realizing it

00:09:49.360 was all a hoax. Right. And Elon went after him pretty hard on this. And we'll remember back when

00:09:54.080 they had their massive feud and Elon just said, well, it's because his names are in the files.

00:09:58.720 It's as simple as that. Right. I think that tweet since got deleted.

00:10:02.320 But I will have to say here for people who don't remember is that people were also criticizing Elon

00:10:08.960 very justifiably because you can't be basic. You can't be arguing that Trump is a pedophile 0.97

00:10:16.560 and having your own kid going with Trump all the time to the presidential helicopter. 0.98

00:10:22.160 Oh, I know. So that was also a kind of infighting that did detract from his argument.

00:10:28.480 Oh, you're quite right. You're looking at two people with massive egos who have both got extreme

00:10:33.120 flaws. I don't take that. But that, however, does not take away from the actual truth of this sentiment.

00:10:39.040 Yes. And so eventually what we have now is it all seems to be coming to a head. Now,

00:10:45.200 part of this is due to the fact that so Thomas Massey has basically tried to work his way through

00:10:53.840 the quagmire of Congress and the entire Washington establishment and has basically put forward a

00:11:01.280 discharge petition where basically this legislation can go straight to the House and basically leapfrog

00:11:09.120 the committees. Okay. Right. And so the committees were trying to block.

00:11:13.840 Yes. What has been termed the Epstein files transparency bill. And basically in order to

00:11:22.240 get this across, and this comes back to the chief flaw of Trump's plan, Massey has worked with the

00:11:29.440 Democrats. Right. So all basically all of the Democrats in the House have signed this bill and

00:11:36.160 basically, sorry, this discharge petition. And so basically what's happened as well is it needed

00:11:42.320 a few Republicans to get the required 218 votes in order that Congress and the House basically had to

00:11:52.000 vote on it officially. And so Massey has done some very impressive manoeuvring here. But of course,

00:11:58.800 it goes without saying that allying yourself with the other side, with the Democrats in this,

00:12:05.200 has made him wildly unpopular with very, very powerful people within the Republican establishment.

00:12:11.600 Yep.

00:12:12.240 And so I'll just read out the actual names of the people that signed this. So it was

00:12:16.800 from the Republican side that is. I'm not going to read out 218 names.

00:12:19.920 Thank you.

00:12:21.760 So it was Massey, it was Marjorie Taylor Greene, it was Lauren Boebert, and it was Nancy Mace. Now,

00:12:28.320 each of these people have come under extreme fire, some more publicly than others.

00:12:33.840 Yes.

00:12:34.400 But the fact of the matter is that, obviously, the one that was most well documented was the

00:12:42.400 tirade that Trump went on on True Social against Marjorie Taylor Greene, basically saying that,

00:12:49.680 look, this is all just a power play by her. It's because she knew that her numbers were falling

00:12:56.480 and it was a way to basically boost her numbers, boost her presence. And it's like, okay, but even by

00:13:02.240 that logic, you're basically admitting that what she is doing is a popular position to revitalize

00:13:08.720 herself. So you're admitting the fact that actually there is popular mandate for these files to be

00:13:14.800 released to the public, as you initially promised, that, you know, just last year.

00:13:20.320 And so we're a bit...

00:13:21.920 Because then we'll finally know what was actually happening with Prince Andrew.

00:13:25.440 Right.

00:13:25.680 We'll know what was happening with Mandelson. We know how Mandelson was close to Tony Blair and

00:13:30.240 and Alastair Campbell. So this is a huge issue. Epstein has photographs with Mohammed bin Salman

00:13:37.840 of Saudi Arabia, with a bunch of other senior people in the Middle East. His network was clearly

00:13:44.560 global. And this might explain why they don't want to release it. Maybe it wasn't Trump. Maybe it was.

00:13:52.240 But there is clearly a public interest and it extends well beyond the United States.

00:13:57.120 Exactly. It's not just compromising for Washington. It's compromising for global administration.

00:14:02.880 For how Washington as an entity does business, how the establishment as an establishment does business.

00:14:08.800 Right.

00:14:09.200 And how it works through Epstein and Ehud Barak and a bunch of other people who were clearly heavily

00:14:15.040 involved with him.

00:14:16.560 And so then you've got this, which I just say, this was extremely poor from Trump as well,

00:14:23.040 to go after a personal attack against Massey, who recently lost his wife last year.

00:14:29.360 And then there's just recently remarried. But again, total anti-homonym. No substance to it. No real...

00:14:36.560 I mean, it's not like Trump started here right now. That's how he rolls.

00:14:40.960 Yeah. No, I totally grant that. That is exactly... From the very beginning.

00:14:45.040 Yes. But Trump is on his third marriage. Yeah.

00:14:50.000 And Massey is a widow, is a widower. No, I'm not saying it's correct to do so.

00:14:57.680 I have criticized it. This is Trump. This is Trump.

00:14:59.680 This is Trump. No, no, I totally agree. And I'm not... Please don't misunderstand me. I'm not bringing this up to be like,

00:15:05.840 my gosh, this is beneath Trump. No, no, we have, as you say, a large president of this type of character.

00:15:12.880 But the point of it is... It's not sticking anymore.

00:15:15.280 ...that all Massey surely has been doing is putting forward the agenda that you outlined in your campaign

00:15:22.800 that you would want to lead. That's the problem.

00:15:25.120 And so all of a sudden, why all of this hostility? And so we essentially reach the point where

00:15:33.200 the White House has called in... It says the extraordinary summit gathered top officials,

00:15:39.600 including Kash Patel, FBI director, Pam Bondi, attorney general, to meet with Colorado representative

00:15:46.400 Lauren Boebert, who of course signed. And it says in an effort to convince her to remove her signature

00:15:53.280 from the petition to force a vote on releasing the Epstein files. And so there has been intervention

00:15:59.200 right from the top to basically stop this from going to Congress.

00:16:04.560 You know what I think? And I'm analyzing here. I'm not moralizing. I think most probably what's

00:16:10.640 the case with this is that the files exist. They have more than Trump wants to release or his administration

00:16:20.960 wants to release. Most probably less than the maximalist conspiracy tutorials think. But what exists

00:16:30.240 there is, from a realpolitik perspective, is a great weapon for Trump to use to blackmail people

00:16:38.320 in order to promote the US interests. So most probably from a geopolitical perspective,

00:16:46.720 that's what he's doing. That's my view.

00:16:50.080 Yeah, a perfectly valid take. I don't disagree. It could be possible. But what's more as well,

00:16:55.440 that so you have on the one side, you have Massey and Marjorie Taylor Greene and these people from the

00:17:02.400 Republican camp pushing for this transparency bill. But simultaneously, whilst this is going on,

00:17:11.200 the Republican House Oversight Committee have also just released about 33,000 documents.

00:17:18.480 Right.

00:17:18.880 Right. So this is something that's going on separate. And obviously, this is all in the backdrop of the

00:17:23.760 fact that-

00:17:24.400 Republicans or the Democrats? Because I thought the Democrats were releasing some as well.

00:17:28.000 They have, yes. They've also leaked some as well. And so, but the thing was that, of course,

00:17:34.240 stopped. So yes, they've released 20,000 pages of documents basically received from the estate of

00:17:43.680 Jeffrey Epstein. But the thing that was one of the things that was most eye-catching was this. Now,

00:17:51.600 this was during Trump's first term, back when the Democrats were trying to impeach him. And you just

00:17:59.120 look at this video. So you have here a Democrat, as it says, Stacey Plaskett. And whilst this is going on,

00:18:06.720 judging from these new documents, you can see Epstein texting her in real time as she is about

00:18:14.720 to raise a question during the actual- You mean Epstein or Trump?

00:18:21.280 Epstein is texting this lady. And they will come up along the bottom so it's all clear to you.

00:18:27.920 But it's worth watching in full.

00:18:34.000 This was when Barack Obama was president of the United States. And while we were once

00:18:39.600 driving through a struggling neighborhood in Chicago, he commented that only black people 0.96

00:18:46.000 could live that way. Attorney Klein privilege? Yes, I will turn it over. 0.87

00:18:51.040 You, as my friend Mr. Meadows pointed out, misled this committee even today in a written

00:18:54.400 submission that contradicted your testimony. You have suggested you are going to review

00:18:57.840 that. Did you review- Are you going to review it in our next break to correct the record? Yes or no?

00:19:02.240 Yes. Question. You helped out the president's campaign or were involved in the campaign as

00:19:07.440 a representative, as a spokesman, even in your words today. It was your idea for the campaign

00:19:11.520 dating back to 2011. Is that accurate? Yes or no? Yes.

00:19:16.000 Mr. Weisenberg and other individuals- Let me just read what was being said.

00:19:20.560 Mr. She was texting Epstein, asking him about RONA. She thought it was an acronym. It turns out RONA is

00:19:29.360 the name of Trump's assistant. And she was saying, look, I'm up next. Tell me what to ask about this

00:19:35.760 RONA thing. Is it an acronym? What am I asking about? So she's being instructed live as she's sitting in

00:19:43.440 that hearing and being told what to ask about and what she should be saying. Personally from Jeffrey

00:19:49.680 Epstein. Personally from Jeffrey Epstein. And then she proceeds to ask the questions that Epstein

00:19:55.520 instructed her to ask. So it's about as incriminating as it could possibly get. Why is this congresswoman

00:20:04.800 texting Epstein and why is he coaching her specifically on Trump's impeachment? So what was the role that he was

00:20:09.680 playing in that? So the idea that there's nothing else to see there is completely belied just by that

00:20:17.760 clip. Indeed. Because it means that he was influencing Democrats on key committees about the impeachment

00:20:24.080 and telling them which direction to look in with the aim. And if you go after people's top executive

00:20:29.680 assistants, you're basically stripping them away of their trusted advisor so you can attack them more

00:20:35.280 effectively. Yes. That's what's happening to Keir Starmer here in Britain. So this is very significant.

00:20:40.960 It is. Remarkably significant. And there were many, many other things beside. But of course,

00:20:46.240 amongst all of this, we really cannot underestimate the power of bread and circuses as well. Yes. And

00:20:54.320 amongst all of this very, very important stuff here, there was also something that the masses really

00:21:01.520 chewed up. And that is the fact that there seemed to be some correspondence between Mark Epstein,

00:21:09.600 Jeffrey's brother, basically asking for Steve Bannon to ask if there was dirt on Trump,

00:21:17.360 if the Russians had dirt on Trump to Putin. And what we got is here, if you can see the sentence,

00:21:22.720 ask him if Putin has the photos of Trump blowing Bubba. Now, just to make the point, this has 60

00:21:31.600 million impressions, right? And so regardless, irrespective of the validity of this, and I will

00:21:39.200 just say as well that Mark Epstein has since come out and said this was a private joke, this was not

00:21:44.720 actually what the inference was. Bubba is not Bill Clinton, right, is what they're saying. But he

00:21:51.360 doesn't say who it actually was then. It was blowing someone else called Bubba. Like, it's insane.

00:21:58.240 It's insane. And without more background. Yeah, but also the question is if you believe it.

00:22:04.800 Well, the point, I understand and I've been asking my question, I've been asking myself that question all

00:22:11.360 morning to be honest with you. But the point is, Stelios, not so much whether it is true, but of

00:22:16.800 course whether or not people believe it and whether or not they are going to hound him about it.

00:22:22.080 And the subsequent point is this only goes away with a little bit more clarity because there is

00:22:28.960 evidently more there. So the initial claim that was made by Trump that there's nothing there to

00:22:37.200 to see. There's nothing there that's worth examining. That doesn't stand on very much

00:22:43.040 because there's clearly something there. And as Nevermore comments here in the chat,

00:22:49.760 Bannon has, I think, 10 hours, not 15 hours of video with Epstein where he was talking to Epstein

00:22:56.720 and helping him and so on. That's also a question. What is everybody's relationship to this guy?

00:23:02.640 Absolutely. I mean, we are talking about power networks. Sorry, can you try to reload that link

00:23:07.520 for me, Harry? We are talking about power networks. People meet other people, loads of other people

00:23:12.080 in these networks. I mean, you have, if you look at the documentaries about serial killers,

00:23:18.160 for instance, you will see some of them being with politicians taking photos together.

00:23:22.720 Absolutely. Who was one of the really fat serial killer?

00:23:26.560 I'm sure. Don't remember. Yeah, but some of them when we were with Democrat politicians,

00:23:32.160 other with Republican. I think Ted Bundy was with Republican. The other guy was with Democrat.

00:23:38.560 It happens. But you never know. So all it means is speculation now. Right. Exactly.

00:23:45.200 And this will never go away to a degree. Even if now they release extra files and we have more

00:23:52.000 people, there will still be an element. So there are two points to make. There will still be people who

00:23:57.200 will say we don't know the whole truth. There are two points to make. It's all right. One of them is that

00:24:00.320 people will still believe something was not released, no matter how much is released.

00:24:05.440 The other point is that there is clearly something there that should be released. And anybody associated

00:24:13.120 with Epstein, even if they're just moving within these power networks, should be asked.

00:24:17.200 So Robert Kennedy says that, yes, he flew with Epstein twice. And he says on both Caucasians,

00:24:22.800 it was with my family and there was nothing on towards going on. Okay, fair enough. That is

00:24:28.560 moving in power networks. Fair enough. But is there something more with other people? Clearly, this was

00:24:35.200 this was the basis of Epstein's whole operation. Now, there should be a push for accountability.

00:24:39.840 Exactly. And the fact that Elaine Maxwell is alive and that she hasn't been asked, okay,

00:24:45.280 you were convicted apparently for facilitating prostitution. The subsequent question is,

00:24:50.080 who are your clients? And given that one of the most important witnesses in all of this,

00:24:54.720 Virginia Guffrey just so happens to have died earlier on this year. Yeah, that complicates things

00:25:01.360 a little bit as well. But you can see this from only earlier on this weekend where Trump, again,

00:25:07.120 was just being absolutely intransigent on the Epstein files and was just saying, I don't want to talk

00:25:12.000 about it because fake news like you, you're a terrible reporter, fake news like you just keeps 0.75

00:25:16.960 bringing up to deflect from the tremendous success of the Trump admin. But the thing is that there was

00:25:23.040 also, Massey was saying, he potentially had 100 Republicans in Congress, sorry, in the House,

00:25:32.800 who were going to basically vote with him on this bill. And so Trump has now tried to get ahead of this

00:25:40.640 and actually give it his blessing. This, from what I can tell, are the reasons why this swing has

00:25:48.320 happened. Yeah. Because this seems to have been going on with or without his blessing at this point.

00:25:54.000 And so like anything, once that's the case, and once you can see where it's going, you've got to get

00:25:58.880 on the inside of it. You've got to be at the helm because you've got to control the trajectory.

00:26:04.160 Here's my take on this. Anybody who's leading the system is stuck protecting the system, whether they

00:26:09.680 like it or not. To a degree, yeah. Yes. And it's obvious that Kash Patel and people like that

00:26:16.000 have fallen hostage to the systems that they run. And you see that with the fact that nothing is

00:26:20.720 released about the attempted assassinations on Trump. We don't know anything else. We don't know

00:26:25.840 about the second guy's connections to Ukrainian intelligence. We don't know what was going on there.

00:26:30.880 We don't understand how the Secret Service failed to protect Trump in the first assassination,

00:26:35.520 where they hit him in the ear. So there's clearly a big problem going on at the level of the ability

00:26:42.880 of Trump's people being able to control the agencies that they run. Now this has run away from his

00:26:48.560 control. And so he's stirred from trying to protect the system to, okay, it'll burn down and I'll still

00:26:54.880 come out on top somehow. I think that personally, I think that to a very large extent, he will do it

00:27:01.760 and people will believe him. Because let us not forget that he nearly died and he took a bullet for

00:27:08.000 it. And then he stood out and said, fight, fight, fight. This isn't the, in the eyes of most people and

00:27:14.000 the general public, this isn't the behavior of someone who is risking his life just to, to protect the

00:27:20.400 swamp. Most people will see this as a person who is in a very dirty world because politics is a dirty

00:27:30.000 world and is trying to have their back. Now, I think that to some extent, the audience of the main

00:27:40.000 support for Trump and the audience for Trump has stuck with him in the, with this behavior ever since

00:27:47.680 the very beginning. So we do know him, for instance, instead of answering two questions, trashing the

00:27:53.920 people asking them. Yes. Yes. But his whole coalition, you're going to cover that in your

00:27:58.960 segment. So we'll talk about that in a second. Well, then just to round off by saying, look,

00:28:04.960 we never thought for a second that the quest for basically transparency and getting the Epstein

00:28:12.080 files out would be easy and certainly not simple. But I don't think any of us were quite prepared to

00:28:19.520 go from, we're going to release some, to they don't exist, to we're going to release some.

00:28:24.720 Yes. And this is really, so it's obviously going to be apocalyptic if it comes, as you say, for not

00:28:33.920 just the American establishment, but as you inferred, many establishments around the world. And so I

00:28:39.920 suppose we'll just, um, brace for it and hopefully truth will out. Yep. All right. I'll just read.

00:28:48.400 Uh, never more on for $5. Thank you. Says one of Trump's lawyers, Robert Barnes, believes pay for

00:28:54.800 play. Uh, Pam and all the neocons have been telling Trump his name is all over the files.

00:29:00.080 Uh, yeah. Well, I mean, we've, we've seen enough files now where Trump's name has been attached to

00:29:06.560 them in some way, but of course nothing quite as damning as with other people.

00:29:11.840 Like Bill Clinton being the most obvious one. Of course. Of course. Um, I'll just go through

00:29:17.120 these. Uh, Luke says, uh, to my previous comment. Oh, maybe I should start from your previous one

00:29:23.280 then. Yep. Uh, anyway, sorry. Gimlu's son of Glein says, good afternoon, brother Luca,

00:29:27.760 brother Stelios and brother Firas. Also five books full of mustache regrowth funds.

00:29:33.760 I can't believe I'm still getting comments. You're, you're not living this down.

00:29:38.000 Oh dear. Um, I'm very, I'm very sorry, Gimli. Um, uh, Chris says, I think, uh, there is way

00:29:44.800 more going on here than we know. Steve Bannon is still sitting on 15 hours worth of footage.

00:29:50.160 Yes. You talked about this in the segment, didn't you? Uh, Luke says, good day all. Uh, what, uh,

00:29:56.160 I don't get is that the Democrats released, um, through lots of evidence when was the

00:30:02.640 redacted emails and the other ones saying that Trump was with Epstein, but white house evidence,

00:30:07.760 uh, proves he was serving the troops. Uh, yeah, there are a lot of contradictions and this is why

00:30:13.600 we need all of the files released so we can brush through those contradictions and find out the truth

00:30:20.000 of it. And fuck oof says, I think I saw something saying Gisley Maxwell, uh, had a horse named. 0.98

00:30:29.360 Okay. Interesting. Uh, and then Luke says, sorry, uh, to my previous comment, I feel like the Democrats 0.99

00:30:35.200 are just discrediting themselves with the boy who cried wolf. Uh, some of the thing feels weird.

00:30:40.640 I can't shake it. Uh, to be fair, Luke, I absolutely share your sentiments with that.

00:30:45.520 Absolutely. Uh, all right. Stelius. My friend, Harry, could we please load the second segment?

00:30:51.520 Great. Right. Many people are saying that MAGA is dead and they are announcing basically the demise

00:30:58.560 of the movement. I think they're completely mistaken. And in this segment, I'm going to tell you who I

00:31:04.400 think is behind it. And the answer is, uh, not just one side, there are several sides, but they will

00:31:10.320 show you in a bit. Now, one thing to say is that I remember in the year after the, during the first

00:31:20.240 year of the Biden presidency, Biden 46, there were many people who were talking about Trump and they

00:31:26.960 were saying that he has zero energy. There's zero way he coming back. And there was a sort of movement

00:31:33.200 there of trashing Trump. But people pushing for Ron DeSantis instead. Yes. And I will say in one

00:31:40.640 case, I did think that DeSantis should definitely run. Right. Um, then I remember the same people

00:31:49.200 were really enthusiastic with the mug shot. They were saying, right, this is raw energy from Trump.

00:31:54.800 The establishment is against him. He is my guy. He is going to be with us. So there are lots of

00:32:01.040 fashions, sometimes pros, sometimes against Trump. And there are lots of people who are jumping on

00:32:06.800 the bandwagon. I think that the best thing to do is to stand apart from that and don't get sucked into

00:32:14.880 the trends and try to see things clearly. Now, let me see. Let me tell you what I think about this,

00:32:20.720 because it also happened during operation midnight hammer. I remember again, there were several people,

00:32:26.960 many people from the sites and the podcasting industry who were saying that World War Three

00:32:31.520 is going to happen. And I was of the firm opinion that it wasn't going to happen. You're in the

00:32:36.880 nothing ever happens camp. Not exactly. Not always. But I do think that Chad Jack has

00:32:43.760 some power in him. He does. The force, the force is strong with him. Right. So I think

00:32:49.840 essentially MAGA is not dead for the same reason that World War Three didn't happen.

00:32:56.480 And I will say that people have a tremendous problem reading X and how X maps onto real life.

00:33:06.960 Right. And frequently what does well on X doesn't necessarily reflect what happens in real life. And

00:33:16.480 what appears sometimes to be a movement on X isn't necessarily a grassroots movement.

00:33:21.280 So I'll give you the long story short. What I thought when it came to when it came to people

00:33:28.240 talking about Operation Midnight Hammer, such as Tucker Carlson, who said basically,

00:33:33.920 don't let the propagandists lie to you. And he was the one of the main voices who were saying that

00:33:39.280 there is going to be a World War Three and that Iran is much more powerful than Trump thought.

00:33:48.160 What I think is essentially that a large part of their audience is not a U.S. audience.

00:33:56.160 Some of it is bots. Some of it is is it's just Middle Easterners and people from whatever 0.99

00:34:04.880 country Tucker is happens to support at the time or whose leadership happens to support. So I don't

00:34:11.680 think that it's a safe thing to say, well, this got 40 million views, 100K likes. Therefore,

00:34:19.520 there's a grassroots movement of 100K people in the U.S. who voted for it. And there are much more,

00:34:27.600 many more because not all of them are on X. Right. So let me just say a bit. I think that

00:34:35.520 if you look at this right now, the line is Maga is dead. And I will be asking the question,

00:34:42.000 several questions in this segment. I will be just asking questions and I will give you also some

00:34:47.280 answer. And I will ask lots of questions about Israel as well, because this is where the whole,

00:34:53.200 this is what many people are trying to make everything about. Right. But let me just say

00:34:58.400 that I think that to a very large extent, this is just not organic. It's definitely not a massive

00:35:05.520 movement in the U.S., a grassroots movement. I think it's not organic. So you see here Dean Withers

00:35:13.120 and Nick Fuentes and Joe Webben, Anonymous, all of them suddenly saying the same thing. Sorry, I just don't buy it.

00:35:22.800 Right. Now what's happening is that Trump isn't going to run for another time. He isn't going to be 48.

00:35:31.040 Yes, he is trash talking in the same way that he was trash talking to Hillary Clinton when he was 0.99

00:35:36.480 debating her, telling her you'll be in jail. Yes, he was trash talking when he was saying that he was 1.00

00:35:44.160 going to be 48 and everyone got emperor of mankind. Everyone thought, again, Trump was going to be 0.98

00:35:51.200 that. No, he was flirting with that audience. But he's a politician. Just never forget that.

00:35:58.080 Right. So people right now are saying Trump said America first, but that thing wasn't as clear as

00:36:06.560 as they thought it was. It wasn't as clear as

00:36:10.240 Yeah, it wasn't as clear as they thought it was. So now they're saying there's a battle with respect to

00:36:17.520 how you understand America first, whether it's heavy isolationist, as it seems to me that the blue

00:36:25.600 side on the America first right now is arguing for or it's going to be heavily interventionist are the

00:36:33.920 as the neocons are trying to say, or it's going to be Jacksonian, which is what I think Trump is,

00:36:39.920 is limited precision strikes, neither isolationists nor George Bush junior type of interventionist, but

00:36:49.520 targeted precision strikes, which I think is what Trump has governed as to the to this day. And this

00:36:58.400 is how he has done so far. So now we have a particular movement, the movement that says MAGA is dead. And

00:37:06.160 they're saying that now it's America first and America first means something like America only.

00:37:11.600 And they're trying to say that this is the new thing. Right. So I want to say also, I want to

00:37:18.880 remember that Fuentes was someone who did say to people to not vote for Donald Trump. When Donald Trump

00:37:26.560 won, he basically said, I can't believe we did it again. He's trolling. He I mean, it's safe to say he

00:37:35.600 he's a troll. He likes trolling. Yes. Right. Yeah. For people who are who are entering social media 0.91

00:37:41.360 right now. Yes. Fuentes to a very large degree is trolling very well. Yeah. Right. So let's I

00:37:48.080 won't be talking about it. So about the previous thing. Right. So Trump now basically said that,

00:37:57.040 yeah, he doesn't think that Carlson and Fuentes should be deplatformed. He linked it with a personal

00:38:05.120 issue of loyalty. Again, he said he has been good to me. He has done so before to other politicians.

00:38:10.800 I think also with Marjorie Taylor Greene. And we saw how that ended up this weekend. So it doesn't

00:38:17.600 mean that much. But he did take a public stand saying that he he should be allowed to platform

00:38:24.720 anyone he wants. And of course, he said afterwards that people also are allowed to make his mind,

00:38:30.160 their mind. Some people are controversial. Others aren't. He said with this gloating Trump

00:38:36.640 bravado, you know, the smug face that I'm not controversial, you know.

00:38:40.160 Yeah. Well, the thing is, he's not anymore in the grand scheme of things. Like he was controversial

00:38:46.240 back in 2016. But we've moved on to more controversial characters these days.

00:38:50.880 Now Fuentes is thanking him. Right. Now, I want to say this. If you actually think

00:38:57.360 that Trump is an enemy of your country, you don't thank him. Sorry, you don't.

00:39:05.840 I don't think he said he was an enemy of the country. Well, I mean, if the whole I think,

00:39:12.080 well, let's say that there is a segment of the audience online or in that movement. I don't

00:39:18.720 know necessarily if Fuentes has said this. Right. That is trying to say that Trump is entirely

00:39:23.520 controlled by the Jews and entirely and is not governing for U.S. interests, is governing entirely 0.94

00:39:29.040 for Israeli interests. Right. So now what I want to do is ask some questions and also give you some

00:39:37.040 answers and give you my view on why I take particular stances on these topics. So I'll start

00:39:45.200 with these questions, such as, is there such a thing as a Jewish lobby? If yes, how unified is it?

00:39:51.040 Is there a disagreement within it or not? Even if there is unanimous agreement about some issues,

00:39:55.760 is there a unanimous agreement on every issue? And again, of course, there are people need to

00:40:01.600 talk about specific issues there and do independent research on each one individually.

00:40:08.400 Question number two, does the Jewish lobby have power? I think the answer is yes. 1.00

00:40:12.400 Question number three, assuming it does, how powerful is it? Question number four, to whatever

00:40:17.280 degree it's powerful, does it use its power for good or bad ends or ends that are pro or against U.S.

00:40:24.480 interests or against the interests or pro interests of any other country other than Israel? Question

00:40:31.200 number five, to whatever extent they have power, do they control Trump? What I want to say is that

00:40:36.320 these are empirical questions. And to give you precise answers, I can't because I don't have,

00:40:44.320 I haven't conducted the empirical research required to give you some answers. But I will tell you what I

00:40:50.080 think is true in some of them, at least. And I will tell you why. So right now, it seems to me it's

00:40:57.120 obvious. On X, there's narrative warfare. There are narrative wars. Everyone is trying to co-opt

00:41:03.120 movements. Not everyone. Many people are trying to co-opt movements. I mean, Fuentes before, when Trump

00:41:09.280 won, he wanted to claim part of that victory. He said, yeah, we did it again. Now he may want to get

00:41:15.200 some of the maggie crowd saying thank you, Mr. President for that. It happens. He's not the only 0.99

00:41:20.160 one. And sadly, it happens quite a lot. He is not more guilty of it than many other people. Right.

00:41:29.840 But I do think he is guilty of it. Right. So what I want to say is that I think that lately

00:41:35.600 there is a new trend that happens online and it makes everything about Israel. And I will say that 0.69

00:41:44.800 it seems to me that they are anti-Israel first. Every topic that they approach, they approach it

00:41:51.600 in the line of their only criterion for judging policy in any country is does it benefit or harm

00:41:59.200 Israel? And that's the only thing that they're asking. Some people are doing this. And these people

00:42:05.120 are online, they are, they seem to be many, but I don't think that all of them are real persons

00:42:12.800 and let alone people in the U.S. Because I frequently talk to people and they tell me that

00:42:18.720 they don't meet these people except in very few events, political events. And even there,

00:42:25.440 they're not the majority. Right. So everyone tells me that they don't represent any kind of grassroots

00:42:32.320 movement. So what I want to say here is that I constantly see people attacking

00:42:40.720 everyone for supporting views because they say that, well, you're not anti-Israel enough.

00:42:48.160 You don't agree on my anti-Israel agenda a hundred percent. You may disagree entirely with it. And they 1.00

00:42:56.640 say, therefore, you're an enemy. Therefore, you're you're getting your seven K and therefore you are

00:43:01.680 a Mossad agent. I will say I haven't tweeted anything about the about Israel. I just haven't.

00:43:09.760 No, that's not what my account is for. I'm not a Middle Eastern commentator. The only thing I've said

00:43:15.760 about the Middle East is that World War three was not going to happen. That was the only thing I said

00:43:20.960 I was read. So when I see these people calling me a Mossad agent and a mega Zio shield, I cannot help

00:43:29.040 but think they're blowing things out of proportion. So most probably I cannot help but think that most

00:43:37.360 probably they blow entirely out of proportion their assumptions or they either do straightforwardly

00:43:44.160 character assassination attempts and bot swarms and whatever and attacks or they just view the world

00:43:50.640 through assumptions that are wrong. And if they are true, they're not true to the extent that they

00:43:56.400 think that they are true. Right. So I want to I want to tell you right here right now who I think is

00:44:03.280 benefits from from this flirting right now with that crowd. I think it's several sides. I'll give you a

00:44:10.960 short answer and then I'll elaborate just a bit. I think it's the Democratic Party number one and then

00:44:16.880 it's America's geopolitical enemies. Right. Why is it the Democratic Party that is profiting from it?

00:44:23.280 Because because they look they're going to lose the middle this way. Right. So I'm going to hesitate

00:44:30.400 some predictions. I know that there's going to be massive backlash, particularly online, and I know

00:44:35.360 that people are going to disagree with. So I'm going to give you some predictions just like I

00:44:40.880 told you that I don't think there's going to be World War Three. I think that if this flirting

00:44:45.600 continues and the and the next Republican candidate for the presidency is openly flirting with that

00:44:54.560 crowd, I think the the Republican Party is going to lose the elections. They may do already enough

00:45:00.080 damage. I don't think they represent the majority. I don't think they can win elections on that policy.

00:45:05.680 I think they may be enough to lose some swing states in the midterms. But my prediction is that if the

00:45:13.360 next Republican candidate candidate, the Republican candidate for 48 is openly flirting with that

00:45:20.800 crowd, they're going to lose the elections. So and that and then let me just say why I think that America's

00:45:29.680 key geopolitical enemies are profiting from this. The answer is very simple. If you look at what these

00:45:35.840 persons are saying and bots, you will see that what they what they're constantly saying, well, we need

00:45:43.120 power, power, power, power of principles, power, power, power. We want more and more and more power. And

00:45:48.640 we're going to want and we are going to get power amorally and we're going to crush all our enemies. Right.

00:45:55.040 Why are they saying this? Because whoever holds power in a realpolitik is able to dictate their terms

00:46:04.880 to those without power. Right. So when they're heavily in favor of that completely isolationist agenda,

00:46:13.280 essentially what they're doing is they want an America without allies. And yes, in this world with allies, you're more

00:46:21.280 powerful. Maybe that's a hard pill for some to swallow, but that's true. Without allies,

00:46:28.000 there is a power vacuum and that power vacuum is not going to be empty. America's key geopolitical

00:46:33.600 enemies are going to take advantage of it and are going to try to fill it. And in the global scale of

00:46:40.400 geopolitical power, that kind of agenda is going to make America less powerful and its enemies more 0.89

00:46:47.600 powerful or its opponents. So when the same people are saying we want power, power, power, power to

00:46:55.360 dictate our terms to the opposition, and they're saying for their own nation to isolate and withdraw

00:47:01.760 into the geopolitical field and leave a vast vacuum that is going to be filled by their enemies, that

00:47:10.960 immediately screams that their enemy, that if we follow, if we draw the inferences from their line

00:47:18.080 of thinking, what they're going to do, what they're saying is we want more power for the enemies of the

00:47:26.640 U.S. to be able to dictate more and more of their terms to the rest of the world. May I suggest an 0.63

00:47:33.760 alternative viewpoint? So the idea of an Israel lobby was established very firmly by John Mersheimer

00:47:40.880 and Stephen Walt in a book on the subject which was attacked viciously, but they made an extremely

00:47:49.040 compelling case, I think in the mid-2000s, where they went over this. And it was also something that

00:47:55.600 was very strongly explored by Pat Buchanan, who ended up being right about the kinds of Middle Eastern

00:48:01.520 interventions that we saw. And if you look at the interventions in the Middle East that have

00:48:05.920 happened, they've not favored democracy or liberalism or anything of the sort, they've simply destroyed

00:48:10.560 Israel's enemies, from Gaddafi in Libya, to Saddam in Iraq, to Assad in Syria, and the result was a 0.91

00:48:19.600 disaster. On the geopolitical side, the main problem facing America today is that the policies of the

00:48:27.760 United States against Iran and Russia in particular have pushed these natural resource giants into the

00:48:34.560 arms of China, which means that geopolitically you end up with China dominating Eurasia with all of the

00:48:41.680 resources of Eurasia feeding the Chinese industrial machine, making it unstoppable. So the argument here 0.87

00:48:48.160 isn't just let's favor America's enemies. The argument here is that if you want to confront China,

00:48:54.320 separate it from its natural resource providers. I didn't say that that's the argument. I said that

00:48:58.560 that's the inference. That's what's implied there. That's your inference. I said that's what implied there.

00:49:05.840 Hold on. Whereas the alternative viewpoint, which says it doesn't really matter where Ukraine's border

00:49:12.320 stands, because Russia has taken the territories that it's taken, and the precedent of right of conquest 0.91

00:49:19.440 is a long-standing one until the UN came along with its silly ideas. It doesn't change anything

00:49:27.600 where Ukraine's borders are, not from an American perspective, maybe from a German perspective it does,

00:49:33.120 maybe from a Polish perspective, but not from an American perspective. And if you reconcile with Russia

00:49:37.760 and can tap into these natural resources, you've dealt a blow to China. Similarly, the issue with Iran

00:49:43.520 fundamentally is Israel. That's it. There's no other issue geopolitically with Iran, because Iran is 0.99

00:49:49.040 surrounded by Turkey and Pakistan. These are the two powers that are around it in the neighborhood. 0.92

00:49:54.000 And these are Sunni powers that are rising, particularly Turkey. And Turkey has always been 1.00

00:49:59.360 a threat to Europe, always will be. Therefore, if you strengthen Iran as opposed to weaken it, 0.96

00:50:05.760 you have the Turks stuck in their own near abroad, working in Syria, working in Iraq, 0.74

00:50:11.680 against Iranian interests, and therefore separating Iran from China. And the consequence of separating

00:50:19.760 both Iran and Russia from China is more Western influence into Central Asia, which is another energy

00:50:26.080 powerhouse. And if you stop Central Asia from directing all of its resources towards China,

00:50:31.520 you weaken the Chinese. So it's not that these guys are all advocating, hold on,

00:50:36.080 it's not that these guys are all advocating pure isolationism. The argument is for competent

00:50:41.520 imperialism. And competent imperialism does not include uniting Russia and Iran with China. That's

00:50:48.800 not competent. That's insane imperialism. That's simply insane. I don't think that this is what Trump is

00:50:55.600 doing. So what I'm going to say is, because we can constantly talk about what happens behind closed

00:51:02.080 doors, what I will say is that, and I'm happy to have a friendly bet with you, I'm saying that if they

00:51:08.320 they elect a presidential candidate for 48, who is openly flirting with a crowd, they're going to lose

00:51:16.240 that election. I would just say something on that though, actually, as well, which is that I actually,

00:51:20.960 I think you're right in that assessment. I think that 48 who ran on that platform would perhaps lose

00:51:27.840 the election. But I do think we also have to be mindful of the fact that many of the people of that

00:51:34.320 persuasion are of the younger crowd. And actually, particularly in America, many of the demographics

00:51:41.120 that hold to a particular loyalty to Israel are of the older generation.

00:51:47.680 Yes. And so even though if it be the case that 48 may lose, that doesn't guarantee that that is

00:51:54.160 always going to be the winning platform, because the ground is constantly evolving beneath.

00:52:00.560 Well, we can we can talk about 49 later. We have seven years.

00:52:04.640 Yeah. Well, yeah, sure. But I'm just saying, but in in terms of the long term, the overarching trajectory

00:52:11.600 that things are going on, what you're seeing more and more in New York, if I may just quickly,

00:52:16.400 with New York and Mandani, of course, is a populist left. Now, I understand that he has

00:52:23.280 Soros backing and everything, but nonetheless, aesthetically, a populist left. And on the right

00:52:31.040 now, you're seeing this fracturing between the different factions of the right as well. And what

00:52:36.080 you're seeing is, and this is not just America, but this is also in Europe as well, a growing

00:52:40.960 dissatisfaction with the middle ground. And so it's not entirely the case that, yes,

00:52:47.280 the the populist left or the populist right can just win an absolute majority, as you're saying,

00:52:53.200 and accrue power. But we are seeing the shrinking of the centre.

00:52:56.960 The point is, I think we're not. I think that this is entirely an online phenomena that is mostly fake.

00:53:03.680 So that's my point. All right. I can't prove it to you right now. You can't prove

00:53:08.400 the same thing to me. So let us see, just like we saw with World War three. Right. And also,

00:53:14.240 with respect to the geopolitical point you said before, there are all sorts of ways we can talk

00:53:19.040 about this. We could say that right now, because Israel and Turkey have massive problems, and Turkey

00:53:25.360 is being flirted by the EU as a bulwark against Russia. Right now, this gives a great opportunity

00:53:32.960 to Russia, for instance, to stop, to team up with Trump and stop and basically give Turkey to stop,

00:53:41.440 stop it. And instead of approaching China, approaching the US. So we can constantly talk about 0.93

00:53:48.000 this. We can constantly talk about what happens behind closed doors. Let us let us. And because of the

00:53:54.800 nature of it, and I will say, I haven't, I don't have an issue with people asking questions,

00:53:59.760 such as the ones I raised before. That's why I raised them. And I'm sure other people are asking

00:54:05.200 them. And I don't think you've heard me many times saying that people shouldn't be asking these

00:54:11.200 questions. I've never heard you say that, of course. Yes. That's not the implication at all.

00:54:15.200 I think that this is the nature of the argument and the conversation. I think that to a very large

00:54:20.320 extent this is just fake and maybe foreign oriented, we'll just see. Maybe. Thanks.

00:54:27.120 Thank you. Okay. Want to leave us a couple of comments? Yeah, I can do that. Well, we have one

00:54:32.240 here for $20. Thank you very much from Control94, who says, first time catching the show live from the

00:54:38.560 US. Cheers. Well, thanks very much. I hope you're enjoying it. We've got Flavius Magnus, who says,

00:54:44.240 I don't think Trump is an enemy, but he is surrounded by Grima Wormtongs. 1.00

00:54:48.960 I mean, politics. Well, politics.

00:54:51.440 Well, I know. It's a good name for Lindsey Graham, right?

00:54:54.160 Yes. It's a good name for Lindsey Graham.

00:54:56.320 Let me see here. What have I read?

00:54:59.120 There's more money for the Mustache Fund. Five more dollars for the Mustache Regrowth Fund.

00:55:05.200 Look, I really don't want to break it to it. Captain Darling.

00:55:08.160 But we need Robo Harry to grow some onions of deception for the Mustache Regrowth Fund.

00:55:14.160 Oh, my goodness.

00:55:15.120 Further commentary. Apologies for the last super chat. I lost composure.

00:55:18.960 Oh, that's all right. That's absolutely fine. Thank you for chatting.

00:55:23.920 It's all good. All right, then. Go on then, Firas. Tell us how our government's betraying us as usual.

00:55:28.960 Okay. So, let me try to find where I want to take you here, which is, hold on.

00:55:36.000 Not to something I can read. Yes. Well, something that you can read will be coming, I promise.

00:55:42.640 So, Shabana Mahmood, the Home Secretary in Britain, that is the sort of Department of Homeland Security

00:55:49.360 slash Department of Interior wrapped into one for our American audience, she has finally figured out

00:55:56.160 that the problem with the small boats and with asylum seekers, quote, unquote, is really grievous,

00:56:03.920 and that it is out of control, and it's dividing the country. I wonder what gave her that idea.

00:56:08.800 Thank you, Tommy Robinson. She thinks.

00:56:10.560 Yes. Yes. Anyway, she has said that refugees who have established lives with homes and families in

00:56:18.720 the UK, including Ukrainians, as if Ukrainians were the problem, thank you, The Guardian, 1.00

00:56:23.280 will face having to return if their home countries become safe. This is the definition of asylum. Asylum

00:56:30.160 is by its very nature temporary, not a backdoor to immigration, surely. But she has said that the

00:56:36.400 system was out of control, putting huge pressure on communities, and announced plans to end the

00:56:41.600 permanent status of refugees. That's normally what happens. Yes. 0.82

00:56:46.480 You take refuge. I mean, that should be the de facto. Yes. My family ran away to Jordan during the

00:56:52.880 Lebanese Civil War. We went back when the war ended, like literally the year after the war ended. So

00:56:57.600 it's sort of perfectly normal here. They would have to reapply to remain in Britain every two and a half

00:57:03.440 years. Decent policy. Okay. She's going to speak to the House of Commons this afternoon. That is our

00:57:10.080 parliament. She will announce that those granted asylum will be returned to their home countries when they

00:57:14.960 are considered safe. Revolutionary. Absolutely revolutionary. Refugee status in Britain lasts 1.00

00:57:21.280 for five years after which people can apply for indefinite leave to remain and then citizenship.

00:57:27.360 Again, this is immigration. This is not seeking asylum. So they're sort of giving away the game,

00:57:31.840 but I wanted to use leftist sources because why not? We don't give them enough credit here.

00:57:37.280 She said that some rules under which asylum seekers had more access to protected accommodation than

00:57:42.480 British citizens, such as those around anti-social behavior and council housing. 1.00

00:57:47.440 Why should asylum seekers have more access to housing than British citizens? I don't understand it. 1.00

00:57:54.640 There is also, she says, no expectation that people have to comply with the rules in order to

00:57:59.200 retain their asylum accommodation. There is no expectation that if you break the law in this

00:58:03.440 country, you lose your accommodation, she said. Yes. They're not expected to follow the rules.

00:58:08.880 They're a protected case. Yes, we've noticed this. And she's correct to point this out. Thank you,

00:58:12.640 Shabana Mahmood. We appreciate this. This places those individuals in a better position than most

00:58:18.480 British citizens in social housing in this country. And I think it's right to say that we will now expect 1.00

00:58:24.560 people to comply with the law of the land, to comply with the rules as they're asked to do.

00:58:29.520 It just sounds crazy when she says it out loud, like this is some divine revelation that's just

00:58:36.000 come to her. Like the entire country hasn't been screaming this point. As opposed to this being the

00:58:40.720 bare minimum. Yes. And if they can work, and it's a small number that have the right to work, but if

00:58:45.200 they can work, they should work and support themselves. This is where it gets tricky. Okay.

00:58:49.760 Because essentially, she's going to do what Zach Pulaski is advocating, and allow a lot more people who are

00:58:56.480 supposedly claiming asylum to enter into the labor market. And so the constant pressure on wages will

00:59:03.040 continue because the supply of labor will keep on growing. So that's the sort of backdoor thing

00:59:10.000 that is being implied here. Everybody's focused on, oh dear, are we really not going to give

00:59:16.720 every asylum seeker an infinite pot of cash? What they're missing is that if you're in a union, 0.99

00:59:23.360 your job is at threat because there is going to be a lot more available workers who can take your

00:59:29.680 position. But this was always the angle from both Tories and labor from the beginning that actually

00:59:35.440 the problem with the boats was not whether or not we actually wanted them in our country in the first

00:59:42.400 place. It was just the general legal framework of the thing. So if they had all come through a legal route,

00:59:48.720 then we would just be stuck with them. When, of course, what we know is a bunch of them are

00:59:53.040 chancers and African crusaders. Well, not necessarily crusaders. 0.52

00:59:57.440 You know what I mean?

00:59:59.360 She had these is the word you're looking for, yes.

01:00:01.760 No, we just don't want them crossing the channel at all.

01:00:06.000 So she said that she will amend laws that guarantee housing and financial support to asylum seekers who

01:00:11.120 would otherwise be destitute. They wouldn't be destitute. They would be absolutely fine at home,

01:00:16.160 but that's a different story. Or they would be absolutely fine close to home. That's a different

01:00:20.240 story. She said that assistance will become discretionary, meaning that it will be able to

01:00:25.040 deny help to those who can work or have assets. Again, letting them into the labor market. That's 1.00

01:00:30.960 the subtext here, which is what Polanski is advocating.

01:00:33.760 More for the Deliveroo economy.

01:00:35.600 More for the Deliveroo economy, exactly. All for the Deliveroo economy.

01:00:39.840 The majority of asylum seekers currently receiving support are unlikely to be affected.

01:00:43.760 Hold on a second. There are hundreds of thousands here already, many of whom are on ILR or have

01:00:51.680 received citizenship or so on and so forth. The solution here is to do nothing about them?

01:00:58.640 Why? Why? There are about 100,000 people in receipt of asylum support in the UK, the vast majority of

01:01:07.840 whom are accommodated by the state. A third remain in hotels, but labor will end this, they say, by 2029.

01:01:16.320 A small number have a right to work, etc. Basically what they're saying, automatic handouts for those

01:01:22.080 seeking refuge will end. So basically saying that I'm seeking asylum here guarantees you a huge income

01:01:29.280 relative to your home country. That's going to end. That's a good thing. That's a good thing. But the

01:01:35.280 subtext here is that they will allow a lot more of them to enter the labor market. 0.78

01:01:39.600 Take with one hand, give with the other. Exactly.

01:01:42.320 Just make sure that the headlines that everyone sees is the taking.

01:01:47.200 Yes, exactly. So they're blaming this on EU law, that there's a legal duty to provide asylum

01:01:54.560 seeker support. And it has meant guaranteed unconditional financial assistance for anyone

01:02:00.480 who claims asylum and would otherwise be destitute. This is ending. Support will no longer be a given.

01:02:05.520 It will become discretionary power. Mixed bag. Good on the face of it. But then you really have to

01:02:12.400 worry about the subtext. One step forward, five steps back. Exactly. Exactly. And then she wrote a

01:02:18.720 whole article sort of defending her position and explaining why she should be allowed to make these

01:02:26.480 changes. Dark forces are stirring in the UK. Hello, fellow dark forces. Yes, of course.

01:02:33.120 He's me. Exactly. Hello, fellow dark forces. I know some of these measures will face opposition,

01:02:38.800 but a country without secure borders is less safe for those who look like me.

01:02:44.640 Yeah. I think it's a lot safe for people who don't look like you. 0.99

01:02:47.920 But it's so obvious. You can see... The fact that she's spinning it around in this direction

01:02:57.040 is a problem because what she sees, essentially, is a wholesale rejection of immigration, including

01:03:03.600 her own. Right. And she feels threatened by that. And this is really the point, isn't it? Yes.

01:03:08.480 Because you see a lot of the best and brightest on the left. Yes. Basically saying that

01:03:14.560 Shabana Mahmood is a traitor. Yes. Because she is from an immigrant background, she is basically 1.00

01:03:19.440 pulling up the ladder and stopping other people from outside Britain coming in. What they're not 0.99

01:03:25.600 smart enough to see is that from her perspective, she is actually entirely on the side of the immigrant

01:03:31.600 class. Yes. She's just doing it. She's thinking two steps ahead in the future. Exactly. In terms of how

01:03:37.600 to make sure that it is a permanent basis. Yes. In the United Kingdom. Exactly. And that we don't get

01:03:43.440 mass deportations and re-migration. Exactly. Exactly. Exactly. As we restore control to our borders,

01:03:50.640 I will therefore open new, capped, safe and legal routes for genuine refugees. 1.00

01:03:56.880 Capped? Yes. Do we know what the cap is? Well, she answers. While these will be modest at first,

01:04:04.960 they will grow in time. Of course they will. Thank you. I expect nothing less. Yeah.

01:04:09.600 Crucially, they will make community sponsorship the norm for resettlement of refugees.

01:04:15.600 Community and voluntary organizations will be able to sponsor refugees to come to the UK and

01:04:20.080 support them when they arrive. This will ensure that communities that have the capacity and desire

01:04:25.040 to accept refugees will be able to do so. As the Homes for Ukraine scheme shows, the British people's

01:04:30.720 capacity for this generosity is deep. And as Pete North correctly points out, this is a recipe for

01:04:39.920 sectarianism. Yep. So essentially, Afghans will, you will be delighted to know, sponsor more Afghans, 0.99

01:04:46.800 Pakistanis will sponsor more Pakistanis, etc., etc. And since she's adding in a voluntary requirement, 0.88

01:04:55.040 every mosque will be issuing letters saying, yes, yes, yes, Mahmoud absolutely volunteered for this,

01:05:00.000 that and the other thing, and should be given settled status and so on. She even says that there

01:05:05.200 will be ways of accelerating settlement for those who are working. So they're still using it as an

01:05:10.560 immigration scheme. At the same time, we will open new legal routes for students and those in work.

01:05:19.120 Why? Please stop. Why? Just please. Why? I mean, the universities are already sort of

01:05:28.000 issuing nonsense degrees. Oh, absolutely. To people who can't speak English. Yes. Why should, 1.00

01:05:32.640 and is she implying that they will be allowed to apply for asylum status if they come in as students?

01:05:38.320 I don't understand. Well, the universities will happily take them. Yeah. No moral quantity. And to answer my

01:05:44.240 own question, yes, she is. We will ensure that war doesn't cut short their chances in life, 0.95

01:05:49.040 and we will welcome those who can contribute to our national life. So more immigration is what's 0.99

01:05:56.640 being promised, but just getting rid of the ugly aesthetics of the boat arrivals. That's what the 1.00

01:06:03.360 policy proposal she says is all about. While refugee status for those who come here will be temporary,

01:06:11.600 those who come via legal routes will have a faster and easier path to becoming permanent citizens.

01:06:19.680 Is this what you want? I didn't, I didn't ever agree to that being on the table, actually.

01:06:24.320 Is this exactly what you've always been asking for? Pete North explains that, yes, she's got it. She's,

01:06:31.200 by the way, I have an interview with Pete North being released this afternoon on RealPolitik,

01:06:35.360 so please watch it at three. But he explains that these measures are good in that they are challenging

01:06:41.840 the assumptions that the system is running on, but will they be enough and will labor actually

01:06:46.720 follow through with them is a big problem. The issue is that nobody now who wants to govern can be on the

01:06:55.600 left on Shabana Mahmoud when it comes to immigration. And in that sense, this is a huge win.

01:07:02.000 In that sense, this is a huge win. But when you look at the details of the proposals,

01:07:07.120 they are very much a poison chalice. And labor is almost in revolt over all of this stuff.

01:07:17.600 Because the backbenchers are going crazy. And they are saying that this is completely unacceptable,

01:07:24.800 including the guy who represents the seat where most of the boats are landing.

01:07:34.880 Oh, Dover.

01:07:35.760 Yes.

01:07:36.080 Right.

01:07:36.480 Not Dover. It's a specific...

01:07:38.400 Deal. Dover and Deal, was it?

01:07:41.760 Yeah, perhaps.

01:07:42.640 Perhaps.

01:07:43.200 Perhaps.

01:07:43.680 Tap.

01:07:44.640 And so they are beginning to rebel and squeal over this and scream over this. Unfortunately,

01:07:50.400 we can't see the full list, but there's at least a dozen there now. And there will be more coming

01:07:57.280 who will say, no, no, no, this is too much. And it's reminiscent of what labor tried to do with

01:08:02.080 welfare, where the backbenchers pretty much sabotaged the party and made sure that they couldn't

01:08:07.040 succeed in this. And now they understand that the politics of immigration are insane and they can't

01:08:13.920 continue like this. But they insist, no, no, we must.

01:08:17.840 It's remarkable, actually, because it's a total inversion of the way that the Tory party used to

01:08:23.680 function.

01:08:24.160 Right.

01:08:24.400 Right.

01:08:24.880 You have the Tory party and they were always just the most radical, progressive sorts,

01:08:30.720 just putting through all of this stuff that no one ever asked for, no one ever wanted. And you

01:08:35.200 have the backbenchers occasionally rising up saying, should we maybe respect our base? And they're like,

01:08:40.800 absolutely not. With labor, it's a total reverse. You've got the leadership going, okay, realpolitik,

01:08:46.800 like we need to be seen to be tough on immigration. And the backbenchers are going, no.

01:08:52.240 How dare you? How dare you, essentially? So we have figures like Diane Abbott, 1.00

01:08:57.440 what's his name, McDonnell, all of these other characters saying that it's entirely unacceptable that

01:09:03.520 there would be any kind of reform to the system. And as usual, the rhetoric around these reforms in

01:09:10.640 encourages the same culture of divisiveness that sees racism and abuse growing in our communities.

01:09:17.520 He represents Folkestone and Hyde, which is a preferred landing spot for small boat migrants. 0.88

01:09:22.800 Maybe there'd be less racism if there were fewer people of different races. 1.00

01:09:27.360 People can be very open-minded when they understand that they're not stuck with each other permanently.

01:09:33.760 They stop bringing people in from different lands day in, day out.

01:09:38.560 So labor is losing their minds over this. It isn't clear if Starmer has enough authority to support Mahmoud to push this through.

01:09:47.600 Well, he's currently dealing with the BBC fallout. He's still dealing with the BBC fallout.

01:09:52.480 He's got the budget coming up and that is going to be an absolute disaster.

01:09:59.360 And you sort of see Starmer's cabinet collapsing because even the mildest,

01:10:06.240 most sensible things presented in the most mealy-mouthed way possible,

01:10:11.440 being rejected by the extremists of the backbenchers of the Labour Party.

01:10:16.880 And I don't see how they can do this, but I wanted to introduce you a little bit about

01:10:22.800 to the people who are receiving your generosity.

01:10:25.680 So I am on some Facebook groups in Arabic that support migrants and asylum seekers.

01:10:33.680 And so I thought I'd share some of the some of your views.

01:10:37.520 The entryist.

01:10:38.960 Yeah, the guy on the inside.

01:10:41.280 Sorry.

01:10:44.080 God bless you. I have a question about disability.

01:10:46.720 My son is 12. He's disabled.

01:10:49.040 We are on universal credit. I am his carer.

01:10:52.800 Is there more assistance from the job center that I can seek?

01:10:55.920 And the answer is, yeah, absolutely.

01:10:57.760 Look at this disability living allowance website and you could get more.

01:11:03.920 A short while ago, somebody was asking that because he had been arrested,

01:11:08.480 but not convicted over domestic abuse and he has a problem.

01:11:13.440 And so you recommended that he apply for a record deletion.

01:11:17.600 I didn't know you could have police records deleted.

01:11:21.120 Do these do this?

01:11:22.720 Does this information appear on an enhanced DBS?

01:11:26.000 Yes. So basically an abuser has figured out a way to get his police record deleted

01:11:32.240 so that it wouldn't show when he gets the DBS.

01:11:34.640 And everyone from his community on Facebook are going,

01:11:37.040 yeah, I can help you out with that.

01:11:38.480 Exactly, exactly, exactly.

01:11:42.080 My children were born here.

01:11:43.600 I was a refugee.

01:11:45.280 I've applied to ILR, me and the entire family,

01:11:49.040 and I got it, including my children.

01:11:51.040 Can I apply for a British passport directly or should I wait?

01:11:57.280 I am a seeking asylum female and I had my interviewed.

01:12:02.320 I looked for the place, but I couldn't find it.

01:12:05.120 And so I went back.

01:12:06.240 What do I do?

01:12:07.680 And the answer she gets is, tell them that you arrived and then you were afraid

01:12:13.360 and had distress and anxiety, and so you returned.

01:12:17.840 Like the magic words are all known.

01:12:19.520 Yeah.

01:12:20.320 The magic words are all known here.

01:12:24.160 Mr. Adam, I am receiving PIP.

01:12:26.880 Can I get help with regards to a spousal visa?

01:12:30.880 And what are the procedures?

01:12:32.960 So he's living on the taxpayers already and he wants to bring in a spouse.

01:12:38.320 And the answer is you can be granted an exception from income terms

01:12:43.760 that you should receive £29,000 at least per annum.

01:12:47.200 And you just have to meet some basic maintenance requirement.

01:12:54.880 Thanks, Anton.

01:12:55.520 Yeah.

01:12:57.040 I read that new decisions for skilled labor will extend the time required for the ILR to 10 years.

01:13:07.600 We've arrived in July 2021 and we want to apply to the ILR next January.

01:13:15.520 I'm very confused about what's going to happen.

01:13:18.320 And the answer for somebody who's at least a little bit honest, we are the reason for these decisions.

01:13:23.920 They know that the minute people arrive and receive ILR, they will apply to benefits.

01:13:29.840 And that's why on Monday they're going to make it tougher.

01:13:32.240 At least some level of introspection.

01:13:35.600 I appreciate that.

01:13:36.480 Thank you.

01:13:38.320 I've been living here illegally since 2016.

01:13:41.360 My son was born in 2019.

01:13:44.160 I would like to apply for a two and a half year visa.

01:13:47.280 I'd like you to leave.

01:13:48.320 Yeah.

01:13:49.440 Are the latest amendments going to affect me as an overstayer?

01:13:53.680 Uh, the answer is no, they're not going to affect you.

01:13:58.480 So this is apparently when have we ever enforced anything?

01:14:01.760 And this one is a doozy.

01:14:03.360 This, this, this one really makes me angry.

01:14:05.680 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:14:06.400 This one really made me angry.

01:14:08.960 An inquiry, my friends, I have been living privately for three months, uh, renting from a landlord.

01:14:16.880 We are a family with children.

01:14:19.120 The owner wants to sell the house and sent me a notice to vacate the property.

01:14:25.760 The contract was only for three months and we are on universal credit.

01:14:30.400 Lovely.

01:14:31.680 Uh, we have to leave in a few days.

01:14:35.280 I'm looking for private residence, but it's very difficult.

01:14:38.320 I communicated with a council and they're telling me not to leave the home.

01:14:44.000 Let the owner go to court so that you wouldn't be homeless.

01:14:48.320 I don't want to behave this way.

01:14:50.960 Why would you put me in a, in this kind of problem problem with a landlord who is just

01:14:55.600 selling his house and I've only seen good things from him.

01:14:59.200 I don't like to hurt anyone.

01:15:00.560 What would you tell me?

01:15:02.160 What would you recommend for me?

01:15:03.760 And the answer is no, go ahead, sue him, uh, make him take you to court.

01:15:08.720 And, uh, otherwise you're going to be homeless and you can't afford to live

01:15:13.040 without taking that guy's house.

01:15:15.680 Thing is as well, the landlord's probably a boomer, just some British boomer.

01:15:20.800 I mean, it could be, you know, someone from their people as well.

01:15:24.240 Just, you know, like trying to have some ethnic solidarity, but I doubt it.

01:15:27.760 The point of all of this is that the guys who are on benefits from the system know how much

01:15:37.120 it's being abused and understand that they're abusing the system and they're being encouraged

01:15:43.520 by the councils, by the government, by everybody to continue to abuse the system.

01:15:50.080 And Mahmoud is promising some reform, but only for new arrivals.

01:15:55.200 And she's going to do absolutely nothing about the hundreds and hundreds of thousands

01:16:00.960 who have already gotten citizenship or who have already got an ILR

01:16:05.200 and who have already entered into the country and are on their way to becoming citizens.

01:16:10.720 So this is a very mild, uh, temporary solution

01:16:17.040 that is intended to create a back door for some more immigration.

01:16:21.920 It's just that they're trying to get rid of the optics of the boats arriving in these vast numbers.

01:16:30.160 That's all there is to it.

01:16:32.560 And even though it is this mild and it is this minimal, the labor backbench is revolting against it

01:16:40.960 because they insist that, no, you must have more.

01:16:43.120 That's what I wanted to end the segment with.

01:16:47.280 Well, don't worry, labor backbench. You will be getting more, even if you don't have the wit to see it.

01:16:52.640 Yeah. Yeah.

01:16:53.760 All right.

01:16:55.360 I'll just read through the rumble rants from yours. We've got, um...

01:17:00.160 Cranky Texan.

01:17:00.960 Cranky Texan. There we go.

01:17:02.000 This is a formalization of the refugee industrial complex. 0.91

01:17:05.520 Yeah. Refugee industrial complex. 1.00

01:17:07.440 It's already formal and it's already huge.

01:17:10.080 Uh, Habsification says, new illegal immigration policy. Send them to Haiti. 1.00

01:17:16.080 Yeah. Well, it would be a better place.

01:17:18.160 Because somebody's hungry in Haiti.

01:17:19.280 Yes.

01:17:20.080 And you can...

01:17:20.800 Well, many people are hungry in Haiti to do that.

01:17:23.200 Well, that's also true.

01:17:24.000 Uh, Fleet Lord Atfar says, uh,

01:17:27.920 this one for all my Brits, uh, political songs for you.

01:17:31.920 Well, I can't click the link, but, uh, I'll load it afterwards. Thank you very much.

01:17:36.080 Thank you.

01:17:36.960 Um, all right. And then from YouTube, uh, we've just...

01:17:41.440 Sorry. Thank you, Harry.

01:17:44.080 Uh, I just need to use me.

01:17:45.360 Chris says, Chris H says, stop reading from that group. You are radicalizing me.

01:17:50.400 I promise you, I will do an even more thorough segment on these kinds of groups, uh, soon

01:17:56.080 to show you just how much the system is being abused. It's insane. You wouldn't believe it.

01:18:01.200 You wouldn't believe it.

01:18:03.200 I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.

01:18:06.080 Yeah. Yeah.

01:18:06.960 Pretty much.

01:18:07.440 All right. Let's go to the video comments then, Harry. Thank you.

01:18:12.720 Uh, if we have any today, that's it. I assume we do. Thank you.

01:18:17.360 So a while back, you had a segment about an old gentleman, and I was inspired,

01:18:23.360 and I don't know where else to share it. So here.

01:18:25.840 It's a little sad, so here's a second back and yelling from the Shire. 0.92

01:18:34.080 Well, thank you, Sophie. And, uh, I love the jumper, by the way.

01:18:37.360 In today's example of why no matter how much you hate journalists, it's nowhere near enough,

01:18:47.040 listen to this.

01:18:47.680 It's spliced together footage to give the impression that Donald Trump said something

01:18:52.000 that his defenders say he did not.

01:18:54.080 Did you catch it? Try again.

01:18:55.680 Donald Trump said something that his defenders say he did not.

01:18:58.960 Now, through the power of ironic splicing, let's make it more accurate.

01:19:03.440 It's spliced together footage to give the impression that Donald Trump said something

01:19:07.760 that he did not. 0.99

01:19:08.560 What an absolute weasel. 0.96

01:19:12.640 Well done. 0.54

01:19:14.080 Weasel, indeed. A little something for Luke. I'm sorry, I can't.

01:19:17.280 I'll have a look at that after, Harry. Thank you.

01:19:19.280 All right.

01:19:23.280 I can't stand the globalists.

01:19:25.920 The goblins hate 1776. 1.00

01:19:29.600 George Soros, the Saruman of Middle-earth, has a gay son. 0.99

01:19:34.160 You're late. 0.99

01:19:38.560 A wizard is never late, Tucker Baggins.

01:19:40.560 He arrives precisely when his globalist research is concluded.

01:19:48.480 Ha ha ha ha ha!

01:19:51.120 Thanks, I hate it. But I also love it.

01:19:56.400 That's very good. That's really very good.

01:20:00.560 Any more, Harry?

01:20:01.280 No, all right. We'll go through some of the comments then.

01:20:04.000 Uh, let's see. From, uh, yeah, all right.

01:20:08.000 I was seeing more, more mustache regrowth shoved in my face.

01:20:11.280 God, this is a, I've never felt so besieged by the comments section.

01:20:15.120 Uh, Michael Dreibelber says,

01:20:17.520 Epstein was a Mossad asset. This is why so many are trying to keep the files hidden.

01:20:24.960 Well, yeah, I mean, it does seem like a logical conclusion to it all.

01:20:28.560 But again, I just go back to you.

01:20:29.840 I mean, Lex Wexner and Ehud Barak and the study group and all of that stuff.

01:20:34.480 I understand why you came to that conclusion.

01:20:36.400 Mm. Uh, Zesta King says the Epstein files, uh, stuff as well as the recent H-1B policies

01:20:43.280 have been convinced me that Trump isn't our guy anymore.

01:20:46.640 Maybe he's being corrupted. Maybe he's, uh, had to become a monster to fight an even bigger monster. 0.90

01:20:52.240 Who knows? That was actually a question I, I'd meant to ask you, Stelius, about your own segment,

01:20:56.800 which was just that when we were saying about, uh, you saw all that stuff about MAGA is dead,

01:21:01.360 right? But like, it presupposes that MAGA ends with Trump, right? That it ends with Trump's term,

01:21:08.960 as if it can't carry on through the work of many of the people who grew up and were inspired by Trump.

01:21:14.320 Well, you know, I didn't say that MAGA is going to be everlasting.

01:21:18.160 No, no, that's not what I'm saying, but I'm, I'm just making the point that to counteract them when

01:21:22.880 they say it's dead. It's like, well, that presupposes that Trump is the be all and end all of MAGA itself,

01:21:29.200 which yeah, sure. He's the creator of it. But, um, I mean, he w he was, he was purposefully, um,

01:21:37.440 how should I say it? He wasn't like a politician. He wasn't clear with what it stands for.

01:21:42.160 Hmm. And that's why there is discussion with respect to what is it? Sure. Yeah. Well,

01:21:49.120 uh, that's always going to be the case. Of course. Uh, Alex Ogill actually here says,

01:21:52.480 Stelios's analysis is cogent. Trump needs the Epstein documents to remain hidden so he can

01:21:58.320 leverage them against Democrats. If he releases them and the Democrats clearly who are, uh, involved

01:22:04.560 with the kicking out and, uh, will be kicked out and prosecuted, that might sound positive,

01:22:10.880 but their replacements will be rabid leftists who will oppose him at every opportunity and will

01:22:17.600 not have anything as possible as powerful as Epstein to reign them in. Uh, politics is bad now,

01:22:24.560 but it risks becoming worse, uh, cleaner, but worse, more ideological.

01:22:30.000 Maybe, maybe, but then they will have to run on their actual policies as opposed to sort of

01:22:36.080 doing this Fabian gradualism that they've all been doing. Can you imagine running on your actual

01:22:40.800 policies? Revolutionary, I know. Of course not. Of course not. Uh, uh, and then, uh, Lordenquist to

01:22:47.760 Hector X says, I believe it's been three Democrat judges that have stopped the release of the Epstein 0.69

01:22:53.200 files so far. The courts keep blocking them for some reason. Well, uh, these Democrat judges may

01:23:00.800 indeed have been doing that Hector, but you know, we can't ignore the fact that there has also been

01:23:05.920 an enormous part of the Republican establishment as well that has actively kept this from being

01:23:12.080 brought to light. Um, all right. Do you want to go to your bit, Stelius?

01:23:15.200 Yes, we have Cambrian Kulak who says America first or make Israel great again. Similar things are 0.93

01:23:22.400 happening on the right here in the UK, open brackets, Zionism, close brackets. Again, Cambrian Kulak,

01:23:30.400 Stelius seems to me this split occurring on the right division around Zionism is organic insofar as

01:23:36.560 the counter narrative is also organic perpetuated by media news for decades. Seems to me there are those

01:23:43.840 who want to maintain the status quo in this dynamic, seeking to delegitimize concerns raised.

01:23:50.560 Fazit Oster says, I think more dangerous to Israel is the absolute apathy that is being generated.

01:23:56.400 It's very hard to care about some country on the other side of Europe and the Mediterranean when you

01:24:01.200 have no personal stake in it and it is demanding so much. I understand the tactical relevance of its

01:24:06.720 position, but still you have to describe this to laymen on the street without being seeming condescending.

01:24:13.280 Then there's the rabidly pro-Zionist people making that tempered approach even harder. I fear we'll see

01:24:19.520 more and more racially motivated violence in the coming years because of all this. Let's see what

01:24:24.880 happens. And Michael Brooks says, I think you may just be slightly naive, naive, not a show by any stretch.

01:24:34.000 Israel has a mental hold on boomers and for years has shown it doesn't care for international law.

01:24:40.720 Look at USS Liberty. I believe he's talking about the 1968 event and countless assassinations. They have

01:24:46.800 iron fist when needed. I think a lot of people are actually hiding jealousy plus X is cesspool,

01:24:52.560 not worth interacting with you, will not find me there. I mean, as I said before, I have zero problem with

01:25:02.560 people asking questions. I told you why I'm disposed to think that the assumptions behind several

01:25:09.120 accusations are vastly exaggerated. And with respect to me being slightly naive, I heard it yet again when

01:25:18.720 Trump did Operation Midnight Hammer. And I said, no, I don't think he's entirely controlled by the Jews

01:25:24.560 because everyone was telling me how naive I was. And I saw the very people who said this. I'm not going

01:25:33.200 to name names, but I saw the very people who said this when Trump started saying that Netanyahu and the

01:25:41.680 the other side, they're fighting so long, so long that they don't know what the what the

01:25:46.240 they're wrong about. The same people were trying to cope the narrative again. And they said, yeah,

01:25:52.240 what we're going to do is we only have to assume that this is because we said to Trump to do it.

01:25:58.800 Because because we chimp Trump. Yeah. Well, OK, I may be naive, whatever. It's a possibility.

01:26:06.640 Ben Gale, if the Republican pick a Zionist as a candidate, they're going to get hammered. 1.00

01:26:11.680 No one is buying the Israeli lies anymore. Even the boomers are starting to see through it. Well, 1.00

01:26:16.960 we'll see what's going to happen. I honestly think that this is mostly a fake movement propagated

01:26:23.680 by the enemies of the US and the Democrats, but we'll see. All right. Take us out then with your

01:26:29.600 comments and Firas. Sure thing. It's Sophie Liv's comment. Be very careful because she's very sneaky 1.00

01:26:35.200 with her comments. OK, OK, I'll be careful. England really need to start making itself the example of

01:26:42.400 how countries should treat conflicts. The men go out fighting. The children are sent to the safer

01:26:47.520 areas within the country and the women work so the men can have a functioning country to return home to. 1.00

01:26:53.280 In spite of being an empire at that point in time with land in India, the glorious English people

01:26:58.640 still weren't leaving. Start demanding that of everybody else seriously. Yeah. Fair enough.

01:27:06.320 Jimbo G says there need to be Nuremberg style trials for the politicians that are ethnically

01:27:12.720 cleansing the English from their own country. Our enemies must be laughing their heads off. Yes.

01:27:18.400 Yes. Yes. I know that. Fuzzy toaster. Too much has happened too fast in regards to immigration. 0.75

01:27:25.360 A million refugees, quote unquote, should have been the number we took in over the last decade, 0.54

01:27:31.520 not the last year or however much is now. Two, three. No, the number of refugees is smaller than

01:27:38.080 that. But the number of legal migrants is insanely higher. And so Mahmoud is looking at one and not 0.69

01:27:44.320 the other as usual. If something isn't done, I see something dark in the future. Ours or theirs, too much

01:27:52.960 friction. Yes, I agree. I had a long episode with Dan about that on Brokonomics, about the Lebanonization 1.00

01:28:01.040 of Britain, basically. Georgie Swordsman says, so to summarize Firas' segment, the bad news is that

01:28:07.760 Labour have had an evil genius moment. The good news is the backbenchers are too stupid to realize. Yes, 1.00

01:28:14.720 that's a perfect summary. That's a perfect summary. Thank you for that. Thank you for that,

01:28:18.880 Georgie Swordsman. And an honorable mention for you, Firas, from Lord Inquisitor Hector X, who says,

01:28:24.400 did you see they're now floating a milkshake tax? A what? Milkshake. I don't know. Is this to

01:28:32.000 protect Nigel Farage from further milkshaking? I don't understand what the hell is going on. Maybe

01:28:37.120 something to Google after we've finished. Yeah, I'll check it out. I'll check it out. Well,

01:28:41.680 we're coming up to half past now, ladies and gentlemen, so I do hope you've enjoyed it today.

01:28:46.320 Do check out Firas' interview with Pete North, which is coming out at three o'clock.

01:28:51.440 And certainly check out Brother Stelios and I's chronicles all about Aeschylus because,

01:28:58.400 as we said, it was definitely at the most enjoyable so far. We have chemistry.

01:29:04.960 They're going to clip this now and they're going to say Stelios the Greek knows the best of both worlds

01:29:10.240 and stuff. Your words, not mine. I think that's what they're going to clip.

01:29:17.280 I think that's what they're going to clip.

01:29:18.880 Yeah. We always end nice, our segments here. We do get silly exactly at 30 minutes past two on Monday,

01:29:26.160 don't we? I think it shows our mental defects for you too. 0.98

01:29:28.400 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Anyway, enjoy the rest of your day, 0.92

01:29:31.840 ladies and gentlemen. And we'll see you back here at 1pm tomorrow. Take care.

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The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - November 17, 2025

The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1297

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