The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1298

00:00:00.460 Hello and welcome to Podcast of the Lotus Eaters, episode 1298, on this Tuesday the 18th of November, the year of our Lord 2025.

00:00:09.980 I am joined by the host of State of Politics, the host of State of Politics.

00:00:16.480 How's the State of Politics going?

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00:00:23.060 Between us, what do you think of your co-host?

00:00:27.660 Who?

00:00:29.000 Who's your co-host?

00:00:29.420 What, Bo?

00:00:29.860 Oh, it's Bo!

00:00:32.100 Bo's here as well.

00:00:33.180 What?

00:00:34.040 It's a decent chat.

00:00:35.080 I thought you were setting up that shiva bloody video thing.

00:00:37.500 No, no, no, I wouldn't do that to you.

00:00:38.760 I wasn't even going to mention it.

00:00:40.620 Brilliant.

00:00:41.440 State of Politics.

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00:00:43.680 Yeah, Bo's alright, yeah.

00:00:45.040 State of Politics is alright.

00:00:45.960 Check it out, you might like it, you might not.

00:00:47.880 It's pretty based.

00:00:49.360 Today we're going to be talking about, what are we going to be talking about?

00:00:53.160 Wild Things in Parliament.

00:00:56.360 Commandant Mahmood on boss mode.

00:00:58.740 Pakistan.

00:01:01.000 Pakistan.

00:01:01.800 You're going to be telling us all about the virtues of Pakistan. 1.00

00:01:05.200 Yeah, we've got to say thanks to Pakistan, haven't we?

00:01:07.080 Yes.

00:01:07.280 And Trump's 50-year mortgages.

00:01:11.500 Not a fan, personally, but, well, we'll get to that.

00:01:15.100 Right, so, it says over to you and your broken links.

00:01:19.040 Okay.

00:01:19.340 So, recently, in the last 24, 48 hours, the Home Secretary, Shamana Mahmood MP, has decided

00:01:29.180 that the asylum system is broken.

00:01:32.560 Whoa.

00:01:33.180 I mean, it is.

00:01:33.760 Big news.

00:01:34.400 Whoa.

00:01:34.860 Big news.

00:01:35.320 It's broken.

00:01:36.260 And it needs an overhaul.

00:01:37.920 That's news, isn't it?

00:01:38.680 It's like we haven't heard this before for the last 20 years plus.

00:01:42.380 But she says she's going to bring in a whole raft of new measures.

00:01:47.780 Oh, I've never heard that before.

00:01:48.600 To sort it all out.

00:01:49.760 Right.

00:01:50.020 And, well, the takeaways for me are, one, it's just lies. 0.85

00:01:55.700 It's just nonsense.

00:01:56.860 And, beyond that even, I don't think, I don't have any faith that they actually implement

00:02:01.640 most of this.

00:02:02.720 And even if they did, it's, one, just tinkering around the edges.

00:02:07.120 And, two, not what we want anyway.

00:02:10.900 It boils down to more safe and legal routes.

00:02:14.260 It boils down to ID cards.

00:02:16.680 Oh, okay.

00:02:17.660 Largely.

00:02:18.100 So, they're going to control immigration by controlling us instead. 0.99

00:02:21.780 Right, very good.

00:02:22.740 And, just net more people in.

00:02:25.680 More safe and legal routes.

00:02:27.260 Controlling immigration by... 0.95

00:02:28.600 Let's make sure they don't...

00:02:29.560 Opening the floodgates.

00:02:30.960 Let's make sure they don't cross on small boats. 0.97

00:02:33.940 Let's make sure they legally enter by an aeroplane.

00:02:36.420 Right.

00:02:36.780 Let's give them a packet of peanuts and a refreshing drink on their way in. 0.77

00:02:39.820 Yeah.

00:02:40.740 And have no way for the Home Office lawyers to deport them, because it's all legal.

00:02:45.680 Oh, excellent.

00:02:46.220 Okay, fine.

00:02:46.820 Okay, here's an article.

00:02:48.820 The key takeaways.

00:02:51.240 What we need to know.

00:02:52.260 So, refugee status to become temporary.

00:02:55.740 There's lots of talk that we're going to copy the Danish model.

00:02:59.960 But, I mean, it doesn't really matter anyway.

00:03:02.800 If people are a chancer coming from the third world, they don't necessarily care. 1.00

00:03:07.640 What's the Danish model?

00:03:08.200 Is that when you pay them to go away?

00:03:09.460 Dengeld. 0.75

00:03:11.740 Dengeld. 0.75

00:03:12.300 Yeah, that's what I was thinking.

00:03:13.960 No, it's that in Denmark, apparently, they made it that you don't ever...

00:03:18.340 Not ever, but it's very much, much, much more difficult to become just a permanent right to remain.

00:03:25.600 So, it's always temporary.

00:03:27.340 At some point, you've got to go back.

00:03:28.900 As it absolutely should be.

00:03:30.960 You know, refugees, if your home country becomes stable again, like Syria, for instance, we had loads of people in London cheering and whooping and hollering that the Assad regime had toppled.

00:03:43.460 Well, go on then.

00:03:44.120 See you later, mate.

00:03:44.780 Yeah.

00:03:45.400 Bye.

00:03:45.880 Off you pop then.

00:03:47.120 Bye-bye.

00:03:48.220 Like, you don't belong here.

00:03:49.280 Well, lots of Middle Eastern countries do this.

00:03:51.280 I mean, you can go and work in, like, Saudi Arabia or, you know, UAE or something, but you'll be a temporary citizen forever. 0.80

00:03:58.700 Yeah.

00:03:58.980 There you go.

00:03:59.460 Right, yeah.

00:04:00.100 As it should be.

00:04:00.980 Yeah.

00:04:01.600 Which is normal.

00:04:02.420 It's mental.

00:04:03.440 Most of the world, particularly the developing world, have just got normal, i.e. based immigration policies.

00:04:10.360 It's not even based, though, is it?

00:04:12.140 Like, you say it as if it's some, like, radical thing to be like, well, you can't permanently become a citizen here.

00:04:21.260 It's not really based.

00:04:22.420 It's just normal.

00:04:24.180 Obviously, that's going to subvert everything.

00:04:26.140 It will subvert democracy if they get the right to the franchise.

00:04:29.300 Subvert everything.

00:04:30.200 Like, yeah, it's just normal.

00:04:33.240 Is it based to just not be suicidal?

00:04:36.420 No, I suppose not really.

00:04:37.480 Is it based to want your culture?

00:04:39.420 No, it shouldn't be.

00:04:40.140 There'll be a human rights law overhaul, and the second you actually look at the detail of it, it's not any sort of overhaul.

00:04:47.660 That's not a correct word for this at all.

00:04:49.540 They'll tinker around the edges of Article 8 of the ECHR.

00:04:53.600 No question of actually leaving the ECHR.

00:04:56.360 All right, okay.

00:04:57.180 No question of that.

00:04:58.440 They'll just put, like, a slightly different emphasis.

00:05:01.720 Look, the government will narrow the application of Article 3.

00:05:05.260 Not good enough.

00:05:06.460 Not good enough.

00:05:07.240 You're not getting it.

00:05:08.340 That's not what we need.

00:05:09.140 That's not what we want.

00:05:09.980 But also, not necessary.

00:05:12.220 Because other countries don't apply the ECHR in the way we do.

00:05:17.080 They don't allow asylum applicants to stay with the nonsensical excuses that they give. 0.99

00:05:24.340 And the ways that they weaponise the ECHR.

00:05:27.800 Other countries don't allow that to happen.

00:05:30.300 So, you don't, I mean, you could just not, you could just do nothing, and it would be the same thing, just how it's interpreted.

00:05:39.460 I mean, this was always the same case with the EU.

00:05:41.420 I know the ECHR is a different thing from the EU, but the EU would pass regulations, and the rest of Europe would, like, treat them as guidelines and maybe do a bit of that.

00:05:50.060 And we would just take everything as absolute gospel and go play everything.

00:05:54.780 So, I mean, is this going to be the same with the ECHR?

00:05:58.120 Yeah.

00:05:58.800 Mental.

00:05:59.380 Yeah, I just, it's just, milk toast is not even the word.

00:06:03.180 It's just, it's nonsense. 0.74

00:06:04.440 It's nonsense.

00:06:05.500 We need to leave the ECHR.

00:06:07.100 Obviously, we need to do that.

00:06:08.540 Ending housing and financial support, yeah, to some sort of limited degree, like they want to reduce the amount they're spending on hotels, but then just immediately just talk about, oh, we'll use bases, military bases and stuff.

00:06:24.180 Again, no question of actually, really just getting rid of them to save us money.

00:06:31.060 No question of that.

00:06:32.860 And there we have it.

00:06:34.360 And there we go.

00:06:35.380 New safe and legal routes.

00:06:37.920 So.

00:06:38.380 Brilliant. 0.99

00:06:39.180 So all of it then up to this point is just bullshit, really. 0.98

00:06:42.920 It's padding for this bit. 0.97

00:06:44.240 Yeah.

00:06:44.600 Right.

00:06:45.480 Brilliant.

00:06:45.980 It's what it all boils down to at the end of the day is we're still going to flood you as much as possible.

00:06:51.300 And I made this point on the state of politics.

00:06:53.800 Check out state of politics.

00:06:54.520 State of politics.

00:06:56.280 Last night we recorded a segment actually on this.

00:06:58.580 And I made the point that they're saying under the changes, volunteers and community groups will be able to sponsor individual refugees.

00:07:05.320 Oh, great.

00:07:05.680 So they've allowed in a bunch of, I don't know, third worlders, Pakistanis, whatever. 1.00

00:07:10.500 It will be those people that will be like, well, yeah, I want my cousin to come.

00:07:15.000 So we'll just sponsor him instead.

00:07:16.600 Great.

00:07:16.860 So people we never wanted here to begin with will now then be able to flood the country with more of their cousin. 0.98

00:07:23.680 Because it says at the end of that, there'll be an annual cap on arrivals.

00:07:27.280 Well, I think you're exactly right.

00:07:28.320 It will be 100,000 people and their cousins and second cousins.

00:07:34.000 Great.

00:07:34.800 Brilliant.

00:07:35.980 And in Parliament on Monday, she ruled out any sort of cap anyway.

00:07:40.240 Oh, so.

00:07:41.380 Yeah.

00:07:41.580 Oh, OK.

00:07:42.720 So even the one limiting factor is gone.

00:07:45.080 Right.

00:07:45.380 Yeah.

00:07:45.460 Yeah.

00:07:46.020 Brilliant.

00:07:47.080 Visa bans.

00:07:48.120 Again, it's just so weak.

00:07:49.760 Countries like Angola, Namibia and Congo, if they don't take their people back. 0.99

00:07:53.600 Why on earth they're not taking their people back already is crazy. 0.98

00:07:58.440 But we'll look at maybe an emergency break. 0.99

00:08:01.060 Could you get more of a contrived bullshit phrase in that? 0.96

00:08:06.220 We'll put an emergency break on it. 0.99

00:08:07.700 Yeah, right.

00:08:08.580 Why are we being held hostage by third world countries? 1.00

00:08:10.900 It's just absurd.

00:08:13.380 Yeah, no, we're not going to take our people back.

00:08:14.740 Oh, what?

00:08:16.400 Oh, please take your people back.

00:08:17.880 Oh, no.

00:08:18.840 I mean, presumably because these third worlders now occupy positions like Home Secretary. 1.00

00:08:24.600 Yeah.

00:08:24.920 Well, yeah, obviously.

00:08:25.820 Yeah.

00:08:26.540 And an increased use of technology, ID cards.

00:08:29.240 Hmm.

00:08:30.260 So more safe and legal routes and ID cards.

00:08:34.180 Brilliant.

00:08:35.020 And no cap.

00:08:35.880 And no cap.

00:08:36.580 Brilliant.

00:08:37.580 Love it.

00:08:38.140 So let's hear from the horse's mouth a little bit.

00:08:43.920 On this country has been heavy.

00:08:46.680 400,000 have sought asylum here in the last four years.

00:08:51.520 Over 100,000 people now live in asylum accommodation.

00:08:55.040 And over half of refugees remain on benefits eight years after they have arrived.

00:09:00.820 To the British public who foot the bill, the system feels out of control and unfair.

00:09:07.620 It feels that way because it is.

00:09:10.720 The pace and scale of change has destabilised communities.

00:09:13.920 It is making our country a more divided place.

00:09:18.080 There will never be a justification for the violence and racism of a minority. 0.99

00:09:23.820 But if we fail to deal with this crisis, we will draw more people down a path that starts with anger and ends in hatred.

00:09:31.400 So it's all just to stop anyone really getting angry about their country being stolen from them.

00:09:37.780 But also, the fact that they've not put a cap on it means that that entire statement is moot.

00:09:45.400 She's like, oh, people are angry with the rate of change.

00:09:48.060 Yeah, okay, but you're not putting a cap on it, love.

00:09:49.420 So the rate of change is going to continue, but you'll be like, no, shut up because it's legal.

00:09:54.640 And the way it will work is the Home Office will draw up some proposals that look good at the time.

00:09:59.820 And then the human rights lawyers will go to work and systematise it and say, okay,

00:10:03.840 and they'll produce these sheets that say, okay, if you're in, you know, whatever, Bermalia,

00:10:08.400 these are the things you need to say on your application.

00:10:10.480 They can't legally refuse it.

00:10:12.440 So, I mean, under this scheme, you could have 20.

00:10:14.540 I mean, we think we've got high immigration now at a million.

00:10:17.720 There's no reason why Nigeria couldn't provide us 20 million people a year.

00:10:21.140 They can do that.

00:10:22.140 And the other point I'd make is that is a brutal centre parting.

00:10:25.480 You could roll a penny down that.

00:10:27.620 If she ever shaved her head, she'd have a tan line going up the middle. 1.00

00:10:32.140 I have no doubt about who we really are in this country.

00:10:35.560 We are open, tolerant and generous.

00:10:39.320 But the public rightly expect that we can determine who enters this country and who must leave. 0.97

00:10:46.840 To maintain the generosity that allows us to provide sanctuary, we must restore order and control.

00:10:55.260 Rather than deal substantively with this problem, the last Conservative government wasted precious years

00:11:01.060 and £700 million on their failed Rwanda plan.

00:11:05.340 With the lamentable result of just four volunteers removed from the country.

00:11:12.180 As a result, they left us with the grotesque chaos of asylum seekers housed in hotels, 1.00

00:11:18.860 shuttled around in taxis, with the taxpayer footing the bill.

00:11:23.620 Pretty certain there was just an outcry recently about what's been done on the Labour taxis, you know, maybe?

00:11:30.040 Yeah.

00:11:30.220 What?

00:11:31.440 I mean...

00:11:32.100 This is just such...

00:11:32.840 I hate the theatre of Parliament now.

00:11:35.340 Like, I once engaged with watching these videos and I hate it. 0.94

00:11:40.420 I absolutely hate it now because it's all theatrics, it's all complete nonsense. 0.83

00:11:44.240 You can't hate them enough. 0.99

00:11:45.800 I despise. 0.99

00:11:47.000 This theatre...

00:11:49.020 It's 100% messaging while they do whatever the hell they want to do behind the scenes anyway.

00:11:53.240 Yeah.

00:11:53.860 There's all this feigning of, oh, blah, blah, blah, blah, you know, feigning of opposition. 0.99

00:12:00.780 Shut up. 0.98

00:12:02.780 Demolish the whole thing. 1.00

00:12:03.900 Disband all of this nonsense. 1.00

00:12:06.480 One positive, though, to take from it is the movement of the discussion, even if it's all bullshit coming from them. 0.99

00:12:14.560 They wouldn't even be talking like this, like, a year ago.

00:12:18.360 They wouldn't even be, you know, from Labour, talking about, you know, trying to one-up, the one-upmanship of who's going to deport more, who's going to be stronger on the asylum system.

00:12:29.940 Yeah.

00:12:30.040 There's at least that.

00:12:32.900 Well, so the thing is, you know, some people will poo-poo all of this as worthless and pointless.

00:12:40.840 And it's such a, to build off what you said, is that this serves a purpose because it shifts the entire Overton window.

00:12:51.040 You know, the dialogue is now, how many people are we going to deport?

00:12:56.820 How are we going to control this?

00:12:58.100 And that's normal mainstream dialogue.

00:13:00.040 So whether they do something or not is actually besides the point because this furthers what we want in the end.

00:13:05.600 Because this normalizes the conversation.

00:13:09.020 So when they fail, which they will, then someone else can come in power and go, well, they failed.

00:13:14.200 We're going to succeed where they failed.

00:13:15.740 We're going to do this.

00:13:16.840 Oh, and actually some more stuff.

00:13:18.320 And people will cheer on because they'll go, yeah, that's actually what we want.

00:13:21.460 And it's become the mainstream dialogue.

00:13:24.260 I think there's actually a legitimate point in that because, you know, I remember back to the early 2000s.

00:13:29.400 Now, before the year 2000, we were just a normal, sensible country.

00:13:32.940 But after 2000, the main place where the dialogue was had was on things like BBC Question Time.

00:13:37.780 I mean, nobody watches it anymore, but back then it was.

00:13:39.820 And the lefties started this process where every time like a Tory came on, they just called them racist over whatever the thing was. 0.96

00:13:46.520 It's racist, racist, racist, racist, racist.

00:13:48.160 And the Tories basically become, they got Stockholm syndrome over this. 0.70

00:13:54.020 And they got to the point where they kind of had, I mean, by the time they were, you know, certainly up to Boris Johnson, all they ever wanted to do is prove that they're not racist to the point where they've elected a, you know, a first generation Nigerian immigrant as their leader.

00:14:07.860 They're desperate to prove they're not racist.

00:14:09.880 And that's because the dialogue was owned by the left.

00:14:12.640 So if what you're saying is, I think you are, that now the dialogue is owned by the right, we might not get the benefits tomorrow.

00:14:19.960 But I've already seen where this takes a country over a period of a couple of decades.

00:14:24.600 Yeah.

00:14:24.760 I mean, because even if Nigel Farage fails, right, which he might do.

00:14:28.780 Oh, he will.

00:14:29.220 Yeah.

00:14:29.380 I mean, what comes after him is going to be very extreme.

00:14:32.640 And they'll just build off this rhetoric and go, yeah, guys, they were all talk.

00:14:37.380 We're going to do this now.

00:14:38.620 And everyone will cheer.

00:14:39.820 Everyone will want it.

00:14:41.160 If nothing else, certainly the dialogue has moved.

00:14:44.480 No one can deny that.

00:14:46.420 Let's listen to a touch more.

00:14:47.520 We must remove those who have failed asylum claims, regardless of who they are. 0.66

00:14:54.140 Today, we are not removing family groups, even when we know that their home country is perfectly safe.

00:15:02.540 There are, for instance, around 700 Albanian families living in taxpayer-funded accommodation, having failed their asylum claims.

00:15:12.180 This is true despite an existing returns agreement, and that Albania is a signatory to the European Convention on Human Rights.

00:15:21.300 Yeah, so, again, we're just not deporting people when they, by rights, by absolute sort of legal rights, should have been deported already.

00:15:30.800 At least she's saying the right thing.

00:15:32.480 That's something.

00:15:33.720 Right.

00:15:33.960 A year ago, that wouldn't have even been brought up.

00:15:37.320 Yeah.

00:15:37.720 Hmm.

00:15:38.920 Yeah.

00:15:39.700 Mention the ECHR here.

00:15:41.060 While some barriers to removal are the result of process, others are substantive issues related to the law itself.

00:15:48.580 There is no doubt that the expanded interpretation of parts of the European Convention on Human Rights has contributed.

00:15:56.640 This is particularly true of Article 8, the right to a family life.

00:16:01.780 The courts have adopted an ever-expanding interpretation of this right, and as a result, many people have been allowed to come to this country when they would otherwise have had no right to. 0.61

00:16:11.920 And we have been unable to remove others when the case for doing so seems overwhelming.

00:16:18.200 So you hear something like that, and you think, oh, that's good.

00:16:20.920 Hmm.

00:16:21.680 Right?

00:16:21.940 Oh, they've actually said that.

00:16:23.680 So that's good.

00:16:24.180 But then, again, once you really let them go on a bit further, you hear what it's really all about.

00:16:32.240 Yeah, of providing refuge.

00:16:33.540 There is, there it is.

00:16:59.180 And then a bit later, I think I've got it lined up, someone asks her, what's the cap then?

00:17:04.660 And she's like, well, I'm not going to give you that.

00:17:06.060 We're not going to do that.

00:17:08.180 Also, a small point on Afghanistan.

00:17:10.440 When the military evacuates the country, you're supposed to bring your military personnel out of the country.

00:17:14.640 You're not supposed to bring everyone in the country with you.

00:17:16.960 That's not how evacuations work.

00:17:18.820 Yeah.

00:17:19.040 That's also not something you should be saying in Parliament, considering the amount of Afghanis that are committing crimes against the natives. 1.00

00:17:26.460 Probably, probably not something you should be highlighting.

00:17:29.440 Mahmoud.

00:17:30.880 And then His Majesty's leader, loyal leader of the opposition, stands up.

00:17:35.660 Madam Deputy Speaker, can I thank the Home Secretary for advance sight of her statement, most of which I read in the Sunday Telegraph, actually.

00:17:42.900 But I am pleased that she is bringing forward measures to crack down on illegal immigration.

00:17:47.860 It's not.

00:17:48.180 Oh, wait, are you?

00:17:49.960 Are you pleased about that?

00:17:52.840 Also, why is she dressed like a chavette in a pound store who's just left her trackie on? 0.96

00:17:58.960 She's pleased now that there's stronger words coming out.

00:18:01.700 It's funny because...

00:18:02.400 Can we be bad enough?

00:18:03.720 Thank you, Mr Speaker.

00:18:04.440 Not too long ago.

00:18:04.980 She was proud.

00:18:05.120 As a first-generation immigrant, can I welcome the Home Secretary statement, which I feel this immigration white paper is a move from the 20th century to a much better future immigration system.

00:18:15.420 In particular, I'd like to thank the Home Secretary for removing the annual limits on work visas and also on international students, both of which I lobbied for on behalf of the Wellcome Sanger Institute and Anglia.

00:18:25.460 All right, so you changed your tune a bit there.

00:18:27.720 So no conviction on it whatsoever.

00:18:30.680 So no conviction on it whatsoever.

00:18:32.000 I mean, here's another clip of her.

00:18:33.200 We had a cap of tens of thousands when David Cameron came in.

00:18:38.960 We need to ask ourselves, why didn't that work?

00:18:41.640 Rather than just saying, we'll make another promise.

00:18:43.840 Something went wrong there.

00:18:45.080 So it's not just...

00:18:46.200 Oh, something.

00:18:47.020 Just something went wrong.

00:18:48.380 Throwing out numbers and throwing out targets. 0.99

00:18:51.720 You clown. 0.99

00:18:52.640 With the system. 0.99

00:18:53.860 So I'm talking about the system.

00:18:55.600 People who are throwing out numbers and saying, oh, well, we'll leave the ECHR and so on, are giving you easy answers.

00:19:01.400 That is how we got in this mess in the first place.

00:19:03.660 That doesn't make any sense.

00:19:04.740 That is such nonsense.

00:19:06.880 Oh, well, we had a cap and it wasn't stuck to.

00:19:09.940 Why wasn't it stuck to?

00:19:10.880 Because you don't want to, obviously.

00:19:13.940 Don't sit there and be like, well, we can't put a cap on things because it wasn't stuck to before.

00:19:17.560 Oh, brilliant.

00:19:18.200 Oh, okay.

00:19:19.040 Well, that makes perfect sense.

00:19:21.580 God.

00:19:22.640 Yeah.

00:19:24.860 I can't stand these people.

00:19:26.640 Yeah.

00:19:27.040 I mean, someone had asked that last clip.

00:19:29.420 Someone had asked her, what is the cap then?

00:19:31.540 Or are we going to leave the ECHR, yes or no?

00:19:34.060 And she was like, we can't answer that.

00:19:36.460 We can't tell you that.

00:19:39.300 I mean, she can, but the answer would be no.

00:19:40.900 And she knows that's not the answer that she can give.

00:19:42.720 Yeah.

00:19:43.040 Right.

00:19:43.800 And so after the statement, people get to stand up and ask some questions.

00:19:48.360 We look at this butte.

00:19:49.180 Um, their little Nigeria badge. 0.98

00:19:53.180 It's a place that's been made richer because of the people who've come here from all over the world.

00:20:00.360 Literally.

00:20:00.900 Some of them have fled persecution and have made a home over many years.

00:20:05.540 I meet these people every week.

00:20:08.660 Oh, do you?

00:20:08.980 Brilliant.

00:20:09.320 Yeah.

00:20:09.500 Anyway. 0.60

00:20:10.540 That's such nonsense.

00:20:11.820 No, I'll tell you what.

00:20:12.700 I'll tell you what has happened.

00:20:14.120 People have come here and made their homelands richer by remittances that we don't tax.

00:20:19.800 Sorry, but on a board.

00:20:20.480 It's not made us richer.

00:20:21.260 It's made us poorer.

00:20:22.140 That's a fact.

00:20:22.880 On a slightly broader point, why is the UK Parliament a series of ethnic women discussing how many people get to come into my country? 0.97

00:20:30.740 Ugh.

00:20:32.020 What is this?

00:20:33.720 Well, because they don't, they allow anyone to have the franchise, don't they?

00:20:37.340 So obviously our democracy can be subverted by foreigners. 1.00

00:20:40.380 Obviously.

00:20:42.400 Zulu site is the southwest, sir.

00:20:44.860 Thousands of them.

00:20:46.900 Meanwhile, the Lib Dems.

00:20:48.480 Brilliant.

00:20:48.900 Fair and sustainable, so we welcome some of what the Home Secretary have said on that score.

00:20:54.020 But what is not helpful is the Home Secretary claiming that the country is being torn apart by immigration.

00:20:59.640 Acknowledging the challenges facing our nation is one thing, but stoking division by using immoderate language is quite another.

00:21:09.120 I will, however, welcome news about safe and legal routes.

00:21:12.900 Of course you do.

00:21:14.760 This is the theme of this.

00:21:15.860 On both sides of the House, it just keeps coming up again and again and again that they want safe and legal routes.

00:21:23.540 Finally, we hear from somebody with a little bit of European ancestry, and his thing is that the ethnic women discussing this are not going far enough to let enough people in.

00:21:30.980 Yeah, well, he's in a feminine douche, isn't he, so... 0.98

00:21:34.560 Weak men in Parliament now.

00:21:36.560 Fairness to act with efficiency and to act with compassion for local communities in the UK who want this resolved, but also for asylum seekers too.

00:21:44.640 Thank you, Madam Deputy Speaker.

00:21:50.100 I have to say to the Honourable Gentleman, I wish I had the privilege of walking around this country and not seeing the division that the issue of migration and asylum system is creating across this country.

00:22:02.580 Unlike him, unfortunately, I am the one that is regularly called a...

00:22:06.320 Oh, oh, language! 0.89

00:22:10.120 She means business, though.

00:22:11.880 Language, Madam! 1.00

00:22:12.700 She dropped an F-bomb and a P-bomb. 0.56

00:22:14.540 She means business.

00:22:15.440 Oh! 0.60

00:22:16.460 Theatrical bollocks.

00:22:17.700 Actually, the speaker did pick her up on that and say apologise, because even if you're quoting someone else, you can't use that language in the house.

00:22:26.080 And she basically said, well...

00:22:28.420 I've said it.

00:22:28.840 I will.

00:22:29.260 Yeah, I've said it now.

00:22:30.180 Brilliant.

00:22:30.520 It's in Hansard now.

00:22:32.280 But, yeah, so...

00:22:35.260 OK, here's, again, gets to the bottom of it.

00:22:45.100 Listen to this bit.

00:22:46.400 What we won't do is set arbitrary targets or caps.

00:22:51.360 Oh, good.

00:22:52.360 I thought in your statement, just 20 minutes before, you said you would bring in caps.

00:22:57.080 Because someone just asked a question, what is the cap?

00:22:59.060 And she just said, we're not going to have caps.

00:23:01.440 We have learnt the lessons of previous governments, and I...

00:23:05.520 What lessons?

00:23:06.460 What lessons have you learnt?

00:23:07.820 Us being flooded, that lesson.

00:23:09.520 I think that setting a number in that way actually costs public confidence.

00:23:14.440 The better thing to do is to actually get on with delivering these reforms, passing... 0.97

00:23:18.700 Shut up. 0.95

00:23:19.160 The reform means nothing if you haven't set a cap. 1.00

00:23:21.720 Yeah.

00:23:23.040 Yeah.

00:23:24.060 I hate... 0.98

00:23:25.180 You cannot hate these people enough. 0.99

00:23:28.240 You can't hate them enough.

00:23:29.260 And, er...

00:23:32.760 To continue the UK's proud history of offering sanctuary while simultaneously reducing illegal

00:23:40.340 channel crossings, the right way for refugees fleeing persecution should be through safe

00:23:45.480 and legal routes that are subject to full security checks and controls.

00:23:50.160 It's just that, again and again and again, from both sides.

00:23:53.220 They're not getting it, are they?

00:23:54.240 Safe and legal routes.

00:23:54.760 Safe and legal...

00:23:55.320 Yeah, they're not getting it.

00:23:56.040 They're not getting it.

00:23:56.720 This is the...

00:23:57.800 You are...

00:23:59.160 Sure, put a little bit more pressure on this...

00:24:01.380 On this lid of the pressure cooker.

00:24:03.200 Try and keep it down a little bit more.

00:24:05.180 Try.

00:24:06.120 Try.

00:24:06.520 It's going to blow up.

00:24:07.500 It's going to blow up.

00:24:09.140 Madam Deputy Speaker, I think there would be genuine agreement that we have chaos in the

00:24:14.200 immigration and asylum system and that the government should be looking for new ways to discourage 1.00

00:24:20.260 people from crossing the channel in small boats.

00:24:22.720 But in what she says today, is there a danger that those people that we do actually need to come

00:24:29.800 to this country legally with the skills that we need to fill the employment gap to keep

00:24:35.420 our NHS working and to work in the social care sector will actually look at this country

00:24:40.740 now and say, no, I don't want to go there.

00:24:42.980 Oh, no. 1.00

00:24:43.620 Well, to hell with them then. 0.99

00:24:44.720 It doesn't matter. 0.98

00:24:45.480 Who cares?

00:24:45.960 Yeah.

00:24:46.100 We've sustained ourselves enough with that.

00:24:47.640 This is absolutely just detritus.

00:24:51.140 I hate it so very much.

00:24:52.520 It's completely redundant. 0.94

00:24:53.660 All of these points, complete nonsense.

00:24:55.840 So out of touch.

00:24:57.700 You've seen this thing where there was...

00:24:59.360 It was reported that we would strip assets from the people that we're deporting.

00:25:04.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:25:05.140 And it had been reported something that we'd actually take jewellery off of them when we're

00:25:09.120 deporting them.

00:25:10.200 And there was no question of that. 0.66

00:25:11.100 But all the lefty commie traitors have jumped...

00:25:13.960 There are good, ongoing negotiations going in relation to return hubs.

00:25:19.380 I very much hope we can...

00:25:20.820 I thank my honourable friend to do so before then.

00:25:23.980 That is why we are exploring large sites, including military sites.

00:25:27.280 I know that will engage more debate in this House over the coming weeks and months, and

00:25:31.200 I look forward to that.

00:25:32.620 But given that he's a member of a party that started hotel use, I hope he'll reflect on

00:25:36.580 that first.

00:25:38.100 Daniel Zeigner.

00:25:39.020 Thank you very much, Speaker.

00:25:40.440 I support my right honourable friend's statement.

00:25:42.880 And particularly her announcement about safe and legal routes.

00:25:46.660 She'll know that cities like Cambridge have a long tradition going back to the Kindertransport

00:25:50.440 through welcoming people from Syria and Ukraine.

00:25:54.120 And I very much hope she'll work closely with authorities like Cambridge City Council

00:25:57.520 to work on measures that can make these routes work.

00:25:59.940 I thank my people in destitution.

00:26:03.600 That is why we do make financial packages available for people to voluntarily remove the country.

00:26:08.920 And that will always be the case.

00:26:10.580 Thank you, Wishart.

00:26:12.260 Madam Speaker. 0.99

00:26:13.000 In the manifesto, Labour promised to defend migrants' rights and build an immigration system

00:26:18.580 based on compassion and dignity.

00:26:21.120 Instead, what we have is a policy that's welcomed by Reform UK and that's even found favour with

00:26:26.300 Tommy Robinson from throwing refugees into destitution to denying any meaningful route to citizenship

00:26:32.680 to forcible evictions.

00:26:34.880 Where exactly is the compassion and dignity in that?

00:26:38.660 It's toxic, racist narratives and the scapegoating of migrants and asylum seekers

00:26:46.940 for what is nothing to do with them.

00:26:49.420 The chronic housing crisis, the running down of public services are not caused by migrants. 1.00

00:26:55.080 They are caused by political decisions and by the grotesque inequality in this country.

00:27:00.740 Does the Secretary of State understand that attempting to out-reform, reform, is actually just boosting

00:27:08.820 this baseless, far-right narrative and will only deepen divisions when we urgently need leadership

00:27:16.020 and hope in this step?

00:27:17.440 Let me tell her, I couldn't care less what any other political party has to say about these matters.

00:27:23.240 I don't care what other politicians are saying on the television.

00:27:26.340 I don't care what other activists are saying either.

00:27:29.040 I care about the fact that I have an important job to do and I can see that there is a problem

00:27:33.240 here that needs to be fixed.

00:27:34.960 If it was possible to pretend there wasn't a problem because there was a one, I wouldn't

00:27:39.380 be saying there is one.

00:27:40.380 There is a genuine problem in this asylum system and we need someone to sort it out, not to 1.00

00:27:45.300 pretend it doesn't exist, which I'm afraid is one of the things that fuels the division

00:27:49.620 in the first place.

00:27:50.840 My own constituents, since I have been Home Secretary, have been telling me directly of abuses

00:27:56.200 in the visa system that they can see with the evidence of their own eyes long before

00:28:00.440 any officials in Whitehall have ever clocked on to those things.

00:28:03.360 It is a moral responsibility when you see something broken to fix it and to make sure that the

00:28:08.800 fact that it's broken is not fuelling division in our country. 0.99

00:28:11.760 And let me also say to her, it is Green Party politicians who are absolute hypocrites because 0.95

00:28:16.320 they talk great language in here and then oppose asylum accommodation in their own constituencies. 1.00

00:28:25.860 Single digit IQ Green MP, shut up. 0.97

00:28:29.740 Everyone understands basic equation, you know, the basic equation of supply and demand. 0.96

00:28:35.740 But when it's confronted, you know, in relation to immigration, they conveniently always forget 0.93

00:28:41.880 the demand part.

00:28:43.600 They're like, it's just supply, guys.

00:28:45.040 It's just supply. 1.00

00:28:46.960 Shut up. 1.00

00:28:47.840 So some improvement on the rhetoric, but all I'm seeing here is a parliament full of traitors. 1.00

00:28:53.620 Yep.

00:28:54.120 Yep.

00:28:54.740 Yep. 1.00

00:28:55.720 And effeminate douchebags. 0.99

00:28:57.080 They're all about more safe and legal routes. 0.95

00:29:00.120 And how dare you even notice that there's any sort of problem?

00:29:02.900 They'll all be replaced if this keeps up.

00:29:05.260 Then they'll not realise that.

00:29:07.140 Like, suicidal empathy.

00:29:08.380 Do you not understand that your jobs will become untenable because you'll be replaced

00:29:12.020 by some foreigner?

00:29:13.160 Do you not understand?

00:29:14.480 Do you not even want your, like, on the most basic level, do they not have any sort of

00:29:18.800 self-preservation instinct?

00:29:20.980 I don't think they think that volume.

00:29:22.160 My God!

00:29:23.580 As I say, the only positive is that it's just, it is moving the conversation, isn't it?

00:29:28.380 But, I mean, apparently Nigel, just this afternoon, or very shortly before we went on air, I think,

00:29:33.700 so I haven't actually got clips from it or anything, was going to talk about cutting

00:29:37.540 foreign aid by 70%, should be 100%, and strip all foreign nationals of benefits, which is 1.00

00:29:45.680 nice.

00:29:45.860 Again, it's movement in the right direction, and I think pressure from, well, from the

00:29:51.140 online right.

00:29:52.180 Yeah, yeah.

00:29:52.660 Well, there is that, I suppose.

00:29:53.580 Where they're now trying to, the Tories, Labour, and Reform are each trying to outdo each other.

00:29:57.440 It's nice to see that, if nothing else.

00:29:59.300 It is literally mental that some foreigner can come here, work for 10 years, and then

00:30:04.120 get a pension for the rest of their life.

00:30:06.620 That's insane.

00:30:08.980 That's actually insane.

00:30:10.140 I think we're one of the only countries in the entire planet that does that.

00:30:14.060 Oh, you can come here, work for 10 years, and then you get a pension?

00:30:19.380 What?

00:30:20.120 Well, you remember, Nigel, not too long ago, someone said, what does it mean to be Welsh

00:30:23.840 or something?

00:30:24.340 He said, well, if you've been here for 10 years, and you've made your taxes.

00:30:26.840 Yeah, it was five years.

00:30:27.960 Oh, was it five?

00:30:28.620 Five years.

00:30:28.940 Brilliant.

00:30:29.620 You've come here, been here for a few years, and you haven't committed any crime, and you've

00:30:32.580 paid your taxes, you're as Welsh as any Welshman. 0.91

00:30:36.700 Great.

00:30:37.020 Well, of course, what we really need is just full mass re-migration. 1.00

00:30:40.260 In fact, it's inevitable, I would say.

00:30:42.840 Some thought that that talking point, which now seems to be taken up across the house,

00:30:47.880 some thought that that was just a far-right fantasy.

00:30:54.400 But in fact, now, all the main parties are trying to outdo each other.

00:30:57.560 So, okay, I'll leave it there, because I've used up my time.

00:31:00.180 But yeah, it's annoying to see that our parliament is just packed full of enemies of sort of the

00:31:06.760 nativist interest, but the conversation is moving to the right.

00:31:14.180 You've got a couple of comments, and you know there's dreams where you suddenly realise you're

00:31:18.740 walking around naked.

00:31:19.780 I've just realised that I'm doing that, so hang on.

00:31:22.140 You read comments, and I'll sort this out.

00:31:23.520 Okay, sort your blaze out.

00:31:24.680 Dawn Browning, Field Marshal Browning, just gives us $10.

00:31:32.280 Thank you very much for that.

00:31:35.060 Big old something, it's cut off, I'm afraid, says, I know the British people are open and

00:31:39.780 generous. 0.97

00:31:40.840 Immigrants making it easier for immigrants to come every damn time. 1.00

00:31:44.060 Yeah. 0.99

00:31:44.700 T-Wire for £5 says, you're overlooking the demographic change over time.

00:31:49.440 I hope by the time people realise it's all talk, you won't have the numbers to change

00:31:54.720 it.

00:31:55.200 Yeah, definitely.

00:31:55.820 That's definitely the strategy.

00:31:57.280 Immigration filibustering. 0.95

00:31:59.740 Arcadia for £5 says, as Starmer looks shakier by the day, Mahmood is on manoeuvres.

00:32:05.560 With an eye on becoming the next Prime Minister, this is why she's talking tough. 1.00

00:32:09.440 Quite possibly, I mean, maybe.

00:32:12.200 T-Wire again for another £5 says, surely saying that we need to import skills highlights the

00:32:17.240 inadequacy of the state education system, right?

00:32:19.800 Well, I just don't believe it at all.

00:32:21.700 We don't even have an excuse for it.

00:32:23.540 Well, I just don't believe that talking point at all, that we have to import people because

00:32:27.720 of their skills.

00:32:29.020 No, we don't.

00:32:29.140 We just don't.

00:32:29.680 We just don't need to.

00:32:31.640 Okay. 1.00

00:32:32.640 What a pile of crap. 1.00

00:32:34.500 Anyway, thanks, Pakistan. 1.00

00:32:38.560 We've got a lot to thank Pakistan for.

00:32:41.540 Really?

00:32:42.140 No, obviously not.

00:32:43.300 In fact, actually, you should be thanking us, Pakistan, genuinely.

00:32:46.280 So, I thought we would start this segment with a brief history of Pakistan.

00:32:53.320 So, Pakistan exists because we effectively created it. 1.00

00:32:57.700 So, you're welcome.

00:33:00.200 You're welcome.

00:33:00.940 So, Britain partitioned British India into India and Pakistan in 1947.

00:33:07.000 If you want to jump in here at any point, our resident historian, please do.

00:33:11.400 It's a decision driven by the failure of the Hindu majority Indian National Congress and

00:33:17.200 the Muslim League to agree on a united India.

00:33:20.400 Funny that.

00:33:21.660 Inter-ethnic conflicts, isn't it? 0.98

00:33:24.000 Pretty dumb to keep important both parties over here. 0.86

00:33:27.080 It's interesting you've got a picture of Jinnah there. 0.97

00:33:29.400 Yeah, he's sort of the main, one of the main political forces behind that.

00:33:34.100 You know, like Gandhi didn't want to break up East and West Pakistan and India.

00:33:38.720 But people like Jinnah sort of insisted on it, basically.

00:33:43.300 But, I mean, back in the early 19th century, we ridded that part of the world, sinned from

00:33:49.020 sort of the Indus Valley, whatever you want to call it, from the oppression of the Mughals.

00:33:55.620 So, again, you're welcome.

00:33:58.140 The British Empire was far less repressive and oppressive than the Mughals. 1.00

00:34:04.200 There was so much inter-ethnic conflict.

00:34:06.100 They didn't really have a lot of choice.

00:34:07.760 And that's the thing I worry about this country, is that if we leave it long enough, we get

00:34:11.660 to the same point and Britain will need to be partitioned into a Muslim section and a non-Muslim 0.99

00:34:15.780 section.

00:34:16.280 Highly, highly likely.

00:34:17.560 Highly likely, unfortunately.

00:34:20.120 So, basically, facing pressure to grant Indian independence, the British government concluded

00:34:26.700 that a partition was the only way to resolve the political deadlock between the two major

00:34:31.180 parties.

00:34:31.640 The last viceroy, Lord Mountbatten, announced the partition plan, which split British India

00:34:38.800 into a predominantly Hindu India and a predominantly Muslim Pakistan.

00:34:43.540 So, we create Pakistan. 0.98

00:34:46.300 You are welcome.

00:34:47.360 But this is how they repay us.

00:34:52.260 So, Pakistanis are, amazingly, the largest group of asylum seekers in the UK.

00:34:58.420 So, the largest amount of asylum applications are coming from Pakistanis. 0.97

00:35:05.160 That's mental.

00:35:06.020 They're not in a state of civil war, are they?

00:35:09.320 Oh, we're going to get to their country in a minute. 1.00

00:35:12.100 That's mental. 0.99

00:35:13.420 That is insane.

00:35:15.720 So, there is over 11,000 claims in the year ending June 2025, making it the top nationality

00:35:22.900 for asylum applications in the UK.

00:35:26.360 Now, these claims have increased significantly in recent years.

00:35:28.740 I wonder why, though most applicants arrive in the UK on a visa rather than through small

00:35:35.100 boat crossings, which are dominated by the nationality.

00:35:37.400 So, there's a lot of people that just come here and then claim asylum, basically.

00:35:40.160 So, they don't come here illegally.

00:35:41.420 They just fly over and then they claim.

00:35:44.160 So, Pakistan is the most common nationality for asylum claims, followed by Afghanistan and

00:35:49.480 Iran.

00:35:49.740 Now, I can understand those two.

00:35:52.920 You know, I don't agree with it, but I can understand, you know, Iran, not exactly a

00:35:58.340 great place, you know, not brilliant.

00:36:00.600 I can imagine trying to claim asylum from Iran.

00:36:04.720 Afghanistan.

00:36:05.840 Again, I don't really want any of them here, but I can understand why some of them would

00:36:11.780 want to flee.

00:36:12.340 You're saying it's logically internally, you know, continuous.

00:36:15.900 I mean, it makes sense on its own logic.

00:36:17.880 Yeah.

00:36:18.080 But Pakistan is a stable country.

00:36:20.660 Oh, it's so stable.

00:36:22.440 Oh, it's so very stable.

00:36:24.800 So, number of claims in the year ending June 2025, Pakistan had the highest number of asylum

00:36:29.160 claims in the UK, literally the highest number, with 11,234 claims.

00:36:36.540 That is, again, insane.

00:36:37.820 I'm going to keep saying that.

00:36:39.340 The arrival method.

00:36:40.980 So, they basically just, they just arrive in the UK with a visa and then they go, I'm 0.92

00:36:45.500 going to claim asylum.

00:36:46.180 So, that should automatically be a rejection, obviously.

00:36:50.640 Some more information for you.

00:36:52.460 So, as of mid-2025, there were approximately 317 Pakistani foreign nationals in prisons

00:36:59.820 in England and Wales, making it the second highest foreign nationality after India.

00:37:05.980 Hmm.

00:37:06.860 Right.

00:37:07.200 So, data from 2022 shows that Pakistani individuals made up about 14,846 of the Asian offenders

00:37:16.720 in the UK justice system with a 39% custody rate.

00:37:22.060 Hmm.

00:37:22.540 Thanks, Pakistan.

00:37:25.340 This is how you repay us for giving you a country.

00:37:28.660 Sending us their best and brightest.

00:37:30.860 Hmm.

00:37:32.140 So, the custody rate for Pakistani offenders was 39%.

00:37:34.820 That is the highest among all Asian ethnic groups.

00:37:38.120 Brilliant.

00:37:39.220 Great.

00:37:39.960 Love it.

00:37:40.420 In 2022, Pakistani offenders represented, I've covered this, 14,846 of the 40,861 Asian

00:37:49.560 offenders in the justice system.

00:37:51.280 We don't mean, when we say Asian, obviously, you know, they're probably not lumping in Japanese

00:37:57.080 people in there.

00:37:57.880 Just, that's an FYI.

00:37:59.480 There are many Bhutanese offenders.

00:38:01.980 Hmm.

00:38:02.520 Yeah.

00:38:02.940 Well, I don't know.

00:38:03.860 Maybe.

00:38:04.320 Probably not a lot of samurai on that list.

00:38:06.880 No.

00:38:07.560 So, they're not selling their brightest.

00:38:12.800 We're not getting good value out of all of this.

00:38:19.260 How stable is Pakistan? 0.97

00:38:21.320 How stable is Pakistan? 0.97

00:38:22.540 Do you think Pakistan's quite stable?

00:38:25.860 Is it quite good?

00:38:27.280 Is it looking like a good place?

00:38:28.460 What do you reckon?

00:38:28.920 I mean, they're claiming asylum from there, aren't they?

00:38:30.840 So, you know.

00:38:32.080 I know I've said it is a stable country.

00:38:34.280 By the standards of what you would expect in that part of the world.

00:38:37.920 I mean, not by the Cotswold standards, I wouldn't imagine, but.

00:38:42.140 Well, they're stable enough to have a nuclear program.

00:38:47.300 Yes.

00:38:48.060 Do you know how much they spend on their nuclear program?

00:38:51.080 I don't.

00:38:51.800 It would have to be tens, if not hundreds of millions, wouldn't it?

00:38:54.940 There's another way around that.

00:38:56.460 Yeah.

00:38:57.080 It's fantastically expensive.

00:38:58.040 Any guess how much a country that people are claiming asylum from spends on their nuclear program? 0.61

00:39:05.460 250 billion.

00:39:06.280 Let's go for that.

00:39:07.460 Oh, just every year.

00:39:08.640 You think 250 billion a year?

00:39:10.900 No, that's way too high.

00:39:11.840 I'd still say 100 million or more.

00:39:13.840 Oh, right.

00:39:14.180 Oh, okay.

00:39:14.620 869 million pound.

00:39:18.200 Oh, okay.

00:39:19.940 It's quite a lot really, isn't it?

00:39:21.020 They've got a space program as well, haven't they?

00:39:22.760 Yeah.

00:39:22.960 They actually do have a space program that this year alone they've spent effectively 15 million pound on.

00:39:32.640 14.9 million pound to be exact.

00:39:35.940 It doesn't really matter that it's a little amount.

00:39:38.780 Because we've given them quite a lot of money.

00:39:42.640 Just gratis.

00:39:43.760 Just aid.

00:39:44.480 Just aid.

00:39:45.340 We give a country that sends us their criminal filth, basically. 0.99

00:39:51.320 As the numbers I've given you indicate that.

00:39:54.300 And I've not even gone into the grooming gangs.

00:39:58.460 Oh, I could have gone really deep on this.

00:40:00.720 They're not state funding that as well, are they?

00:40:02.720 Well, I mean, they effectively are, surely.

00:40:04.760 If we're subsidizing a country and they're sending us these people that they then refuse to take back.

00:40:09.220 I mean, we basically are, aren't we?

00:40:10.700 We are funding that.

00:40:11.500 Oh, yeah, that's true.

00:40:12.560 But, I mean, I could have gone really hard on this, right?

00:40:15.520 I could have gone really hard on Pakistan. 1.00

00:40:18.080 But I didn't.

00:40:18.920 I was pretty fair.

00:40:19.880 I was pretty even on this.

00:40:20.960 It could have been way worse.

00:40:26.240 Wild guess in how much we've given this country.

00:40:28.400 This country that has a nuclear program that they spend nearly a billion pound a year on in aid across the last decade.

00:40:37.340 Just a wild guess.

00:40:38.480 Again, it would be hundreds of millions.

00:40:40.360 Do you think?

00:40:41.040 Yeah.

00:40:41.720 Do you think?

00:40:42.360 Any guess?

00:40:42.640 Have to be.

00:40:43.340 Hopefully you've not seen it.

00:40:44.520 Sounds right.

00:40:45.820 Hundreds of, across the last decade.

00:40:47.420 So, like, a hundred million?

00:40:49.320 Why not?

00:40:50.000 More.

00:40:50.580 A bit more.

00:40:51.400 500 million?

00:40:52.460 Yeah, 500 million.

00:40:53.580 500 million.

00:40:54.540 Wow.

00:40:54.680 Final answer, Chris.

00:40:55.720 Wow.

00:40:56.320 Wow.

00:40:56.720 2.3 billion pound.

00:40:59.760 Just given it to them.

00:41:01.120 Just given in aid.

00:41:02.360 Just given to Pakistan in aid since 2015 to 2024.

00:41:09.040 We have given a country that has a nuclear program and a space program 2.3 billion pound in aid.

00:41:17.500 Right.

00:41:17.700 And apparently we don't have the leverage necessary to get them to take people back.

00:41:22.420 No, no, no, no.

00:41:23.660 No.

00:41:23.880 In fact, we have to get their people because of asylum. 0.99

00:41:28.320 So here's a radical.

00:41:29.100 Asylum.

00:41:29.620 Right.

00:41:30.020 Why don't we just say, we're going to stop giving you the money unless you take back all of your citizens. 0.99

00:41:36.740 Yeah, we could do that, couldn't we?

00:41:38.080 Because if we're going to pay anyway, we might as well get mass read migrations out of it.

00:41:42.620 Yeah, we could, couldn't we?

00:41:43.680 Yeah.

00:41:44.140 Yeah.

00:41:44.500 That'd be an easy deal.

00:41:45.420 Yeah.

00:41:45.740 They would just say, yeah, why then?

00:41:46.580 I mean, we're effectively subsidising this country.

00:41:51.200 It exists on our money.

00:41:52.740 I mean, if you want to be under rule again, by all means, just say, we have enough of you here.

00:41:58.460 You know, if you want us to rule you again, then by all means, please.

00:42:03.100 Wow.

00:42:03.500 I suppose from their point of view, they can rule us.

00:42:07.540 Maybe that's what it is.

00:42:07.900 I mean, they've already got the Home Secretary.

00:42:10.320 Maybe that's what it is.

00:42:11.280 They're going to get more and more of them.

00:42:13.020 It's quite a simple equation.

00:42:14.020 We're giving them billions of pounds.

00:42:16.240 At what point? 0.98

00:42:16.960 And in return, we get loads of their sex criminals and violent criminals in return. 0.99

00:42:25.040 Fraudsters. 0.59

00:42:26.060 It's all manner of crime.

00:42:27.200 It doesn't seem like a great deal for us.

00:42:30.180 It doesn't seem like it's particularly in our interests to be doing that, does it?

00:42:34.800 On the face of it.

00:42:35.940 If you're looking at it purely on a transactional basis, it's not a great exchange, is it?

00:42:41.460 It's not good value there.

00:42:42.460 It's not the best deal I've ever seen.

00:42:43.600 It doesn't seem to be making us particularly stronger.

00:42:46.160 No.

00:42:46.780 So not only do we spend, obviously, billions per year on housing people, but we're also

00:42:51.800 sending billions out of the country.

00:42:54.380 Just to one country, remember?

00:42:56.020 And I didn't even look into what I should have done.

00:42:58.820 So, soz.

00:43:00.540 I should have looked into how much money leaves the country in remittances to Pakistan, which

00:43:05.340 would be amazing.

00:43:06.680 Side note, if a producer could just quickly Google that, that'd be wicked.

00:43:09.720 How much money leaves the country to Pakistan in remittances?

00:43:13.500 Please do that quickly.

00:43:14.280 Google that.

00:43:15.180 That'd be excellent.

00:43:16.600 Because we don't tax any of this.

00:43:19.120 We don't tax remittances out of the country.

00:43:21.540 Not like India does. 1.00

00:43:23.080 You know, India taxes money that leaves the country.

00:43:26.540 As does, I'm sure, Pakistan as well.

00:43:28.200 So the various enemy cabals that have been masquerading as our governments for the last

00:43:33.840 few decades are, in fact, funding our own invasion and demographic replacement.

00:43:39.620 Yeah, literally, yeah.

00:43:41.200 Brilliant.

00:43:41.920 Yeah.

00:43:42.220 Oh, it's great.

00:43:42.660 I love this.

00:43:43.420 This has been my best segment to do research on.

00:43:48.220 I couldn't quite fathom the amount of waste of money that we pour out to Pakistan until 1.00

00:43:54.520 I did this.

00:43:55.100 It's truly shocking.

00:43:56.800 It's truly shocking.

00:43:58.480 And so obviously this segment popped up because over the last two days, by the time I'm recording

00:44:05.640 this, three days now, I think, the Telegraph revealed that somehow, some reason why we accept

00:44:12.500 asylum claims from Pakistan.

00:44:13.640 It should be an automatic refusal from a country that has a space program and a nuclear program

00:44:20.000 that we also provide unlimited aid to, it seems.

00:44:23.040 No.

00:44:26.420 Refuse.

00:44:27.040 I mean, I know what you're telling me is right, and I'm sure you fact-checked all of

00:44:31.240 this, and I mean, it sounds right.

00:44:32.420 Oh, this is all fact-checked, yeah.

00:44:33.420 But it's so bizarre.

00:44:35.480 It just doesn't, it's like not connecting with my brain in some way.

00:44:38.480 It's just so odd that we would do this.

00:44:41.340 Like late-stage Rome, sending 250 million denarii a year to Gaul or something.

00:44:46.320 It just, why would, why would you do that?

00:44:51.480 Yeah.

00:44:52.140 The bottom line is that Pakistan isn't a country from which you should be claiming asylum.

00:44:56.360 It's like claiming asylum from Canada or something.

00:44:58.820 It's like no-

00:44:59.060 Yeah, literally, yeah.

00:45:00.380 Well, no.

00:45:01.500 Yeah.

00:45:02.000 No.

00:45:02.660 I think it might be a bit hot and smelly, but...

00:45:06.320 Yeah, it's not a great place, I'm sure, but it doesn't mean we should accept the detritus 0.70

00:45:13.400 of Pakistan.

00:45:14.580 There's enough flowing through the streets.

00:45:16.740 And the bizarre thing about that aid is, I know how corrupt aid is, so effectively what

00:45:20.480 we're doing-

00:45:20.920 Cancel it, then.

00:45:21.840 Yeah. 0.76

00:45:22.140 Well, effectively, that money will be mostly stolen by the Pakistani elite. 1.00

00:45:26.720 Yeah.

00:45:27.440 So we're spending billions on housing low-class Pakistanis while funding the lifestyles of 1.00

00:45:33.500 high-class Pakistanis.

00:45:34.760 Yeah, quite literally, yeah.

00:45:36.400 While appointing Pakistani ministers.

00:45:39.380 And councillors, which then go and campaign to become members of parliament in Pakistan.

00:45:47.680 Because that happened recently in London.

00:45:50.560 I mean, this country hasn't got long left.

00:45:52.420 No.

00:45:53.300 No, it really doesn't.

00:45:53.760 I'm talking about the UK, not Pakistan.

00:45:55.120 Pakistan has a bright future ahead of it.

00:45:56.820 It's the UK I'm worried about.

00:45:58.020 Yeah.

00:45:58.460 This is absurd.

00:46:00.660 There is no justification for accepting asylum claims from Pakistan.

00:46:04.760 It's actually absurd.

00:46:06.240 So, thanks, Pakistan.

00:46:08.440 Thank you very much.

00:46:10.760 And this is how you repay us for literally creating your country.

00:46:18.120 Bizarre.

00:46:19.400 Hmm.

00:46:19.820 Do we have any of those comment things?

00:46:21.900 Yeah, we do, yeah.

00:46:25.120 Bit of a quick segment, that one.

00:46:26.600 What am I looking at here?

00:46:28.600 Needed to be said.

00:46:30.180 What's this?

00:46:31.780 Ochigdor.

00:46:33.400 Weird name.

00:46:34.660 Could the current state of the West through migration be so no one interferes in the ethnic 0.89

00:46:38.680 conflicts back home?

00:46:41.600 I'm not understanding that one.

00:46:42.860 What?

00:46:44.600 You can get that one.

00:46:45.180 Could the current state of the West through migration be so no one interferes in the ethnic 0.89

00:46:49.360 conflicts back home?

00:46:51.480 That we're so flooded by them that our foreign policy will be watered down to the point where 0.63

00:46:59.040 we never get involved in.

00:47:00.460 Oh, I see.

00:47:01.080 Maybe.

00:47:02.260 Yeah, maybe.

00:47:03.000 Yeah, I guess so.

00:47:03.580 Subverted politics so much.

00:47:05.480 Yeah, I guess so.

00:47:07.180 What have we got here?

00:47:08.400 Bim Jim. 0.99

00:47:10.660 Cheers for the money. 0.85

00:47:11.400 Uh, Thomas Glinder says, so when are we going to partition Bradford?

00:47:17.380 Yeah.

00:47:17.980 Birmingham, perhaps?

00:47:19.120 I mean, the reason why we have so many Gaza protests every single week is because basically

00:47:24.780 we've got so many Pakistanis here.

00:47:26.980 Why they care so much about Gaza?

00:47:28.400 Well, it won't be just one city, though, will it?

00:47:30.280 It will be like, they'll get like half the country. 0.98

00:47:33.240 It's like the Midlands, really, isn't it?

00:47:34.380 Belongs to the Cuzzy Bros. 1.00

00:47:36.620 Disgusting. 0.81

00:47:38.100 Chris H says, do they have a space program?

00:47:40.420 Um, just to make sure the secure, uh, the good spots for corner shops on the moon.

00:47:45.620 I like that, Chris.

00:47:46.660 That's, I like to cut your jib there, mate. 0.98

00:47:49.040 That's funny.

00:47:50.520 Good, good one.

00:47:52.280 Um, Cranky Texans says they don't tax remittances because they want remittances.

00:47:57.320 Figure out why and all if of makes sense, at least from a certain point of view.

00:48:01.820 No, so India doesn't tax remittances.

00:48:04.300 Uh, India does tax remittances of money leaving India.

00:48:07.380 Yeah, not coming in.

00:48:08.340 But we don't tax any remittances leaving this country.

00:48:10.800 So when anyone's like, oh, immigration's well, it's well good. 1.00

00:48:13.540 Yeah, you haven't worked out the figures, have you?

00:48:15.360 Of how much they provide to the country versus how much they siphon out of it.

00:48:18.520 And in a week's time, I'll almost certainly be doing a segment on the budget where they put up every single tax.

00:48:24.220 I bet that won't be one of them.

00:48:25.240 No, of course it won't.

00:48:26.280 Of course it won't.

00:48:26.940 Um, not just a string says, at least said Home Secretary is scared the plan won't succeed if efforts aren't made.

00:48:33.640 But we're already at critical mass anyway, and it's not getting better when things get inevitably worse.

00:48:38.480 Yeah.

00:48:39.740 Uh, there's another one, sir, from Doomhand.

00:48:42.320 Says, to paraphrase Ron Paul, foreign aid is when governments of rich countries take money from their poor people and give it to the rich people in poor countries.

00:48:50.580 Yeah, accurate.

00:48:52.540 Accurate.

00:48:53.620 Anyway, there you go.

00:48:55.260 You need to translate my links, Harry.

00:49:00.280 Harry didn't do the Googling I asked him to. 0.87

00:49:02.940 Ridiculous.

00:49:03.740 Oh, maybe you get it later. 0.99

00:49:07.840 Oh, he's wavy.

00:49:09.360 Maybe he's got it.

00:49:10.380 I think we'll come back to that.

00:49:11.700 I think we'll come back to that.

00:49:12.580 We should probably do this.

00:49:13.380 Right.

00:49:14.200 So Trump has gifted us 50-year mortgages.

00:49:20.140 This was his...

00:49:21.020 Americans, you mean?

00:49:24.040 Well, yes, I mean...

00:49:25.160 That sounds great, doesn't it?

00:49:26.820 I'm talking about the Anglo world as a whole, but yes, the Americans.

00:49:29.840 Lots of Americans watch this.

00:49:31.840 That's good, isn't it?

00:49:33.240 Yeah, it's very good.

00:49:34.120 Yes, lovely people.

00:49:36.000 They speak English, so you don't realise they're foreign. 0.97

00:49:37.960 That meant a 50-year mortgage.

00:49:39.300 Isn't that good?

00:49:40.120 Well, opinions vary.

00:49:44.120 Opinions vary on this one.

00:49:45.480 Obviously, it's terrible.

00:49:46.300 Well, yes.

00:49:46.980 So Trump supporters have come out predictably and sort of said this is good.

00:49:52.720 The libs have come out and said that it's awful.

00:49:54.760 The problem is, though, is the libs say that everything he does is awful.

00:49:58.960 On this occasion, they're accidentally right.

00:50:03.260 I mean, it's sheer stop clock, but this is not a great thing.

00:50:07.680 And Trump has truthed, I believe, this image out, where he's compared himself to one of

00:50:14.240 the worst presidents of all time, Roosevelt, and tried to make himself look good by basically

00:50:21.960 extending the debt trap even further.

00:50:24.920 So, yes, not impressed with that.

00:50:26.640 It does lower your monthly payments a little bit, but it does basically turn your home into

00:50:31.740 a 50-year subscription model where you spend most of your life renting from the bank.

00:50:35.840 I've heard there's this phrase that might apply to this.

00:50:39.260 I don't know if you've heard of it.

00:50:41.780 You will own nothing and be happy?

00:50:45.120 Yes.

00:50:46.040 Is that right?

00:50:46.840 I don't know when they're going to...

00:50:47.680 I mean, they're busy at the first part of that.

00:50:50.600 I'm not sure when the second part comes along.

00:50:52.260 I don't know when I'm going to be happy about something.

00:50:53.780 It does...

00:50:54.320 I mean, it does just mean that you'll end up paying more, ultimately.

00:50:59.460 A lot more, in fact, in interest to the bank.

00:51:01.840 A fair bit, actually.

00:51:03.140 A fair bit.

00:51:04.180 So, the bank, the winner out of all of this is your mortgage lender, the bank.

00:51:08.580 Yes.

00:51:09.300 They're the ones that win.

00:51:10.400 They do rather well.

00:51:11.320 A.K.A. BlackRock.

00:51:12.440 I will come to the affordability bit on this.

00:51:16.160 I mean, I'll quickly run through a little bit of the history on this.

00:51:19.100 So, mortgages used to be quite sensible before the 1930s in the US, and they were, you know,

00:51:23.560 very short duration, might be three or five years.

00:51:26.480 And they were interest only.

00:51:28.260 At the end of the three or five years, you had to pay the whole lump sum.

00:51:30.600 So, it was basically, you were going, you know, it was set in a world where you had

00:51:35.260 to buy a house outright, where they said, okay, well, that's kind of still what you need

00:51:39.580 to do, but we're going to give you a five-year grace period or whatever to get the funds together

00:51:43.540 so you can get your life going a little bit earlier.

00:51:46.940 Back when houses were actually affordable in real terms.

00:51:50.040 Well, yes, and also they tended to build them in proportion with the population, which

00:51:53.100 was quite good.

00:51:55.080 And they built them to last as well.

00:51:56.940 Yes.

00:51:57.300 I know people in a generation just above me, so not even the 1930s, in the 1970s, and they

00:52:02.680 would say, we saved really hard for two or three or five years and then bought our house

00:52:07.320 outright because it cost three grand or something.

00:52:09.760 Whilst being a milkman with a stay-at-home wife, I saved really hard for 18 months and then

00:52:14.700 bought a house.

00:52:15.460 Yes.

00:52:16.600 You hear that kind of thing.

00:52:17.760 Congrats.

00:52:18.360 So a different, entirely different world because it's orders of magnitude more expensive

00:52:22.920 now, right?

00:52:23.400 Oh, very much so.

00:52:24.140 It's not just that inflation has gone up, so the price of your average house has gone

00:52:27.480 up.

00:52:27.600 It's not that.

00:52:28.660 Yes.

00:52:28.920 It's multiplied many, many, many times.

00:52:31.040 Well, there's the debasement effect of money itself and there's also the fact they don't

00:52:34.280 tend to build houses.

00:52:35.160 So some, in Britain anyway.

00:52:36.940 Supply and demand.

00:52:38.160 Yeah, something like that. 0.84

00:52:38.800 In Britain anyway, some kind of shitty three up, two down, semi-detached, in nowhere important, 0.54

00:52:45.320 400 grand. 0.92

00:52:46.380 Yes.

00:52:47.080 Right?

00:52:47.400 That's what, that's normal.

00:52:50.100 Americans watching this won't believe what we pay for our houses. 0.96

00:52:53.580 Well, I'm going to show you some American houses in a bit and you won't believe what

00:52:56.380 even a low house over there costs.

00:52:58.440 So even though they might have it bad, it's not anywhere near as bad as, but I haven't

00:53:02.660 finished kicking on FDR yet before we get on to affordability.

00:53:05.820 I was going to make a comparison with a much better president in my view, Warren G.

00:53:10.740 Harding.

00:53:11.940 Now, I know historians typically tend to present, I mean, you might have a different view, but

00:53:16.060 most historians tend to think that Harding was awful and FDR was the bee's knees.

00:53:20.560 But I mean, Harding...

00:53:21.140 Lefty historians.

00:53:22.080 Well, yes, yes, exactly.

00:53:23.920 But, you know, there wasn't just the, you know, the Great Depression.

00:53:27.960 There was the 1921 crash as well.

00:53:31.400 And Harding, who was excellent, his response was to do absolutely nothing.

00:53:35.880 And that's why nobody's ever heard of the 1921 crash, because it's just like, OK, didn't

00:53:41.780 do anything.

00:53:42.420 The market cleared and then they kind of went up again.

00:53:45.320 The 20s were actually a pretty good period.

00:53:47.080 They're roaring 20s, aren't they?

00:53:48.320 Yeah, exactly.

00:53:49.120 But when you get the Depression in the 30s, the reason it's a depression as opposed to

00:53:53.720 a slump that nobody's ever heard of is because FDR started this process of government can fix

00:53:59.600 everything.

00:54:00.940 And so mortgages went from being this, you know, OK, well, you're almost there with your house

00:54:05.320 and houses are cheap, so we're going to, we're just going to get you over the hump.

00:54:08.340 We're just going to, you know, you can start your life five years earlier with this, you

00:54:11.880 know, short, short duration mortgage.

00:54:14.140 They started in bringing in much longer term mortgages and creating a whole bunch of federal

00:54:19.120 agencies behind this, you know, the Federal Housing Authority and, oh, but bloody loads

00:54:23.860 of them with acronyms all over the place.

00:54:25.940 Well, it's the New Deal, just quickly to say, FDR gets in after, like in the 30s, not, he

00:54:30.980 wasn't president during the Wall Street crash, but still not long after he gets in.

00:54:35.320 And yeah, the New Deal is a socialistic thing.

00:54:38.420 Oh, he can fix everything.

00:54:40.720 And why Trump wants to compare himself to FDR, God only knows.

00:54:45.280 I mean, why he thought in whatever reason.

00:54:48.320 The problem with Trump, though, the problem with Trump is he is ultimately a line go up

00:54:52.100 boomer.

00:54:53.340 And he's, I do think he, I mean, obviously we support him here and I do like him, but

00:54:58.760 he is a line go up boomer.

00:55:00.060 But he supports some things.

00:55:01.880 I don't support it all.

00:55:03.020 His commentary about flooding the country with Chinese students was...

00:55:06.860 That's the same mentality of the line go up boomer.

00:55:08.600 Purely mental.

00:55:09.560 It's like we must, the unis must continue.

00:55:12.400 No, they don't let him die.

00:55:13.300 Well, he supports this because the line go up and he supports the H1, B1, whatever.

00:55:16.840 Great.

00:55:17.480 For the same reason.

00:55:18.320 Oh, line's going to go up.

00:55:19.620 Excellent.

00:55:19.900 It's funny because a lot of people on the right hate Roosevelt, Americans, like hate

00:55:24.120 Roosevelt and see him as like a sort of a Clement Attlee type figure.

00:55:27.380 Everything went wrong from him onwards.

00:55:29.300 Yes.

00:55:29.620 That's my idea.

00:55:30.580 But, you know, people on the, sort of the mainstream, you might say, boomer truth view

00:55:37.900 of history is that FDR saved America.

00:55:41.600 He condemned it.

00:55:42.020 Not even including World War II, before World War II, with the New Deal and everything.

00:55:45.720 He sort of saved America.

00:55:47.360 It was exactly what America needed was all this state intervention.

00:55:51.400 Yeah.

00:55:51.580 And so if you believe that angle, that view of history, as lots and lots and lots of

00:55:56.880 people do, you know, when I was doing sort of A-level history, for example, it was sort

00:56:01.800 of taught that FDR was the bee's knees.

00:56:04.600 Yeah.

00:56:05.300 Well, if you subscribe to that, then Trump comparing himself to him would make sense.

00:56:10.100 You'd be like, oh, right.

00:56:10.760 Yeah, but Trump shouldn't be thinking like this.

00:56:12.340 No, he shouldn't.

00:56:12.700 Yeah, it's wrong.

00:56:13.240 He shouldn't be thinking like this.

00:56:14.020 Because one of the things that the whole process with SDR started is massive US government

00:56:19.820 intervention in the mortgage market.

00:56:22.260 So for any Americans watching, I don't know if you know this, but you have a really weird

00:56:25.840 mortgage system.

00:56:27.020 Because the way they do it over there is you buy a house and you get a 30-year, typically

00:56:30.760 a 30-year fixed rate mortgage for the entire lifetime of the mortgage.

00:56:35.020 Whereas nobody else in the world really does that.

00:56:37.360 That sounds quite good.

00:56:38.380 If the rate is low enough, that's not bad.

00:56:40.420 That's better than what we get.

00:56:41.260 If the rate is low.

00:56:43.340 Right, okay.

00:56:44.040 Yeah.

00:56:44.420 And what if you...

00:56:45.660 But the other thing is, okay, let's say you even get in on a low rate and then a job

00:56:50.560 opens up, which is 200 miles away and rates are now higher. 0.82

00:56:54.520 Are you going to leave your really low rate on your nice house to go and live in a shitty 0.79

00:56:57.960 house for a better job? 0.96

00:56:59.460 So it kind of ossifies the entire system.

00:57:01.780 And as a result, the Americans have this really weird sort of lumpy housing market that sort

00:57:06.840 of booms and busts all over the place from year to year.

00:57:11.080 So yeah, so a whole bunch of government interventions got involved and you ended up with this system.

00:57:16.040 Now, it's kind of going to make an awful lot more sense if I kind of illustrate it through

00:57:20.700 an example.

00:57:21.260 So I want to talk about Mr. Average American and then put some numbers on it.

00:57:27.020 And I thought, well, because this is a visual medium, I've got to start with Mr. Average.

00:57:33.160 So I got AI to take every known photo of 30-year-old Americans and generate a composite.

00:57:39.120 Are we about to lose loads of American...

00:57:41.580 Oh.

00:57:42.080 And so this is our composite of what the average 30-year-old American looks like.

00:57:47.680 You know, that just gives you a basing point to hang this on.

00:57:51.600 And I've had to give him a name, so I've called him Mayo Barber.

00:57:57.280 One in a thousand will get that reference.

00:57:59.260 Yeah, I don't get that reference, sorry.

00:58:00.600 You don't speak Portuguese.

00:58:01.780 Anyway, so he earns $84,000 a year.

00:58:05.820 That is apparently the average American wage.

00:58:09.060 It's a bad wage.

00:58:10.100 Yeah, I've got to say, just on that...

00:58:11.600 That's not bad.

00:58:12.360 That's a brilliant wage. 0.98

00:58:14.320 So if any Americans watching this thinking, I'm shitting on America, trust me, every word 0.99

00:58:20.040 of this is shitting on us Europeans. 0.99

00:58:22.020 I mean, just that, the $84,000 a year, right? 0.99

00:58:24.520 Yeah, you have no idea how poor we are.

00:58:26.440 Yeah.

00:58:27.000 In fact, one funny thing is we did a segment on the wage differentials between the US

00:58:34.580 and Europe.

00:58:35.160 And afterwards, a Buc-ee's store manager in America sent us a huge crate of, like, goodies

00:58:42.380 from the store.

00:58:43.040 Oh, what a legend.

00:58:43.700 And a note attached that said, because I'm so rich and you're so poor, you need this.

00:58:48.300 They're good.

00:58:49.180 Buc-ee's cheesy poofs are delicious. 0.99

00:58:51.120 Yeah, they're lovely.

00:58:51.760 So basically, send some more.

00:58:53.500 If you're watching, Mr. Manager, thank you very much for that.

00:58:55.600 Anyway, so Mr. Average American, he earns $84,000 a year.

00:58:59.760 So that means he's got $7,000 monthly he grosses.

00:59:04.240 And a sensible housing ratio, once you've got your other living expenses, is about 30%.

00:59:09.180 So he's got $2,100 to spend on his mortgage.

00:59:13.660 Now, you've got property taxes and insurance.

00:59:15.080 So basically, the mortgage payment that he can make is $1,800.

00:59:18.760 And we'll just work through a quick example as to what this looks like.

00:59:22.660 Now, if you're...

00:59:26.700 Oh, I'll run through it in a second.

00:59:28.960 Okay, sorry.

00:59:30.000 I'm looking at that going...

00:59:31.300 Yeah, sorry, I'll shut up.

00:59:32.860 So, typical rates at the moment are about 6%.

00:59:35.560 Now, the house that you should buy when you're doing a mortgage is whatever you can afford

00:59:41.820 to pay back over 15 years.

00:59:44.400 That's really what you should be aiming at.

00:59:47.160 Of course, nobody actually ever does that.

00:59:49.300 What they do is they look at the absolute maximum that they can borrow, and then they

00:59:53.040 buy the maximum amount of house that they can borrow, which kind of, you know, is people

00:59:58.020 volunteering for the debt trap, effectively.

01:00:00.300 But I'm going to show you this example.

01:00:02.320 So you can see how I think of this.

01:00:04.440 So a 15-year mortgage, because bear in mind, he's got his $1,800 that he can spend on it.

01:00:10.200 So if he was going to take a 15-year mortgage, that would mean that he can borrow $210,000,

01:00:16.200 and assuming a 20% deposit, that gets him to a house price of $260,000.

01:00:21.320 That's really what he should be buying.

01:00:23.960 But of course, when he doesn't do that, you know, he borrows over 30 years now that this

01:00:27.800 has become kind of standard.

01:00:28.740 That means he can borrow $300,000.

01:00:31.200 So along with your deposit, you're looking at $375,000.

01:00:34.300 And that's what they all do.

01:00:35.800 So you can see that the jump from 15-year mortgages up to 30-year mortgages, it kind of did have

01:00:42.460 an appreciable difference, because you can see the house that you can buy goes from

01:00:47.080 $260,000 to $375,000.

01:00:49.500 Yeah, a big difference.

01:00:50.020 Probably a bigger, better house.

01:00:52.380 Yes.

01:00:52.600 And that's what people want more than being poorer in real terms.

01:00:58.320 Well, at least initially.

01:00:59.600 There's also the factor that I'm going to come to that what it does is it bids up house

01:01:03.640 prices.

01:01:04.280 Oh, yeah.

01:01:04.900 So there is that.

01:01:05.380 But nevertheless, 15 to 30, you see the huge difference that it has.

01:01:09.400 Right, now look at the difference that a 50-year mortgage makes.

01:01:13.600 Oh.

01:01:15.140 It's 10K difference.

01:01:17.080 What?

01:01:17.620 Why?

01:01:20.320 It's all down to the slope of the curve on how long-term money works.

01:01:25.940 I'll explain it like this.

01:01:26.580 What was the point in that, then?

01:01:29.020 Well, it does make your monthly payments slightly lower.

01:01:32.940 I mean, this has worked out to show you on $1,800 the difference that it can make on the

01:01:37.060 prices.

01:01:37.380 But, you know, the difference is actually quite tiny.

01:01:41.540 Yeah, so the example I'd use is, for example, when you buy, when you retire and you buy an

01:01:45.920 annuity, it's going to pay you out money for the rest of your life.

01:01:49.340 I mean, actually, technically, that's a perpetuity because it will pay out forever as long as

01:01:53.280 you're alive.

01:01:53.940 Then people don't live forever.

01:01:55.020 So, you know, annuity is fine.

01:01:56.440 But the difference in the maths between an annuity and a perpetuity is 50 years.

01:02:02.320 At that point, it basically crosses because the curve falls off at such a rate that the

01:02:07.440 longer out your money is, the less difference it makes to the upfront cost.

01:02:11.820 And so that's why when you go to a 30-year, you've already captured all of the benefit from going to a 15 to a 30.

01:02:17.940 Going from a 30 to a 50 barely makes any bloody difference to your payment.

01:02:25.380 Right.

01:02:25.980 It does make differences that we come to in a minute.

01:02:28.580 How much the bank rakes in.

01:02:30.060 Well, that is a different number.

01:02:32.460 Right.

01:02:32.760 That is a hell of a different number.

01:02:33.820 Right.

01:02:34.500 Now, if you just think, a final point on this 10k difference, what do you think is going to happen to that?

01:02:39.600 You're going to get a different class of home or you're just going to bid up a house that was worth 375.

01:02:46.260 You're just going to bid it up 385.

01:02:48.280 Yeah.

01:02:49.020 You're going to do exactly that.

01:02:50.280 Yeah, wish you would.

01:02:51.360 Right.

01:02:51.580 Now, the median home, so we talked about Mr. Average America, but actually the average house

01:02:58.200 in America, I mean, as much as averages apply in America since it's so diverse, but it's 410,000.

01:03:04.900 Okay.

01:03:05.500 So even for Mr. Average, the average home is still out of reach with this.

01:03:08.900 I was going to say probably people in metropolitan LA or New York are like 410,000, I wish.

01:03:15.560 I've seen tiny little apartments in New York for like a million or two million, a way of silly, 0.99

01:03:20.060 a stupid number, a stupid number, but we're not talking about them. 1.00

01:03:22.400 Yeah. 1.00

01:03:22.720 No, we're not talking about someone living in Tennessee or Colorado.

01:03:25.940 Yeah, if you're trying to buy New York, then, I mean, good luck.

01:03:29.260 Oh, yeah.

01:03:30.240 I mean, even the closer bits of Jersey, I'd imagine you're going to struggle.

01:03:34.280 So this 50-year loan doesn't really make it any more affordable.

01:03:37.320 It just increases the debt.

01:03:39.000 And I knocked up this graph before we came in here that kind of illustrates the point.

01:03:44.040 So this is years across the bottom here, 0 to 50.

01:03:48.320 This is amount of monthly payments going out.

01:03:52.340 So again, we're sticking to Mr. Average, Mia Borba, and he can make these payments of $1,800 a year.

01:03:58.460 And then we've got these three housing scenarios that we talked about.

01:04:01.700 Now, with a 15-year mortgage, as you can see, it gets paid off quickly.

01:04:06.920 And this line here is the amount of actual principal you're paying back.

01:04:12.380 So not interest, principal.

01:04:15.620 So at year zero, that's his total payment.

01:04:20.120 Down here, here's how much principal he's paying.

01:04:22.360 But he starts off paying back somewhere near to half principal straight away.

01:04:29.060 And these kind of key points that I marked along the chart here, that's when he's paid off 25% of the loan, 50%, 75%,

01:04:37.240 and then obviously 100% when he reaches the line.

01:04:39.120 So as you can see, he's only in there for like seven years, and he's paid off 25% of the loan.

01:04:44.040 Like, whatever that is, nine years, he's paid off half the loan.

01:04:47.880 And then he sort of pays off the rest of it.

01:04:49.880 So a nice kind of tight, tidy repayment schedule.

01:04:52.760 And then look at how it changes to the 30-year.

01:04:56.280 So he's in there for, well, whatever that is, maybe 13, 14 years before he's paid off a quarter.

01:05:01.860 He's been in there for 20 years before he's paid off half.

01:05:05.720 Now, if you think this is bad enough, at least this isn't too bad.

01:05:08.540 At least if you buy a house when you're, I don't know, 35, and you've got a 30-year mortgage,

01:05:13.840 and you pay it off by the time you're 65, okay, fair enough.

01:05:18.000 But I mean, how many 15-year-olds are buying a house for a 50-year mortgage so they can pay it off by 65?

01:05:25.060 I mean, that blue line is sort of the norm of what we grew up in.

01:05:28.980 I mean, that's sort of similar to what I've got.

01:05:32.820 Yeah.

01:05:33.480 Right?

01:05:33.780 That's similar to what a lot of people have got.

01:05:35.960 I mean, apart from...

01:05:36.580 People that started 10 years ago, 15 years ago.

01:05:38.860 So the term... 0.98

01:05:39.360 It's still a shit deal, really. 0.99

01:05:40.840 Yeah. 0.99

01:05:41.280 But it's sort of...

01:05:42.640 Because you can live with it.

01:05:44.100 You can live with it.

01:05:45.780 Yeah.

01:05:45.960 And the term is fairly standard worldwide.

01:05:48.160 I mean, somewhere between 20 and 30, that's just standard the world over, really.

01:05:52.800 I mean, Japan, they briefly experimented with 100-year mortgages that you passed on to your kids in your will.

01:05:58.480 But, oh, thanks, Dad.

01:05:59.420 It's horrible.

01:05:59.800 Oh, you just...

01:06:00.220 That's horrible.

01:06:01.120 I've inherited massive debt.

01:06:03.060 Oh, lovely.

01:06:03.520 Thank you very much.

01:06:04.700 Anyway, they got rid of that.

01:06:05.720 That was a silly idea.

01:06:06.520 And the other way to think about this is the area above the curve is your interest payment.

01:06:12.760 So, you know, if a 15-year mortgage, let's call this A, that's your interest payment.

01:06:17.720 This is B, so A plus B if you're on a 30-year, that's your interest payment.

01:06:21.600 And look at the size of the interest area you're paying with a 50-year mortgage.

01:06:25.980 And the other thing, just to come back to this point, you've been there almost 30 years before you paid off a quarter of your house.

01:06:33.800 It's not a good deal.

01:06:35.040 It's a false economy.

01:06:36.520 Yeah.

01:06:36.860 Isn't it?

01:06:37.860 And let's say you're a 35-year-old and you take one of these out.

01:06:42.020 You're almost 75 by the time you paid off half your bill.

01:06:47.460 It's funny.

01:06:48.020 I thought Mr. Trump was a master of the art of the deal.

01:06:51.300 Not for other people.

01:06:52.360 Not for the average American trying to start a mortgage.

01:06:55.600 Because that's a terrible deal.

01:06:57.020 Yeah, that's awful.

01:06:58.140 Yeah.

01:06:58.500 It's a terrible deal.

01:06:59.760 Larry Fink is loving it, though.

01:07:01.500 Oh, yeah.

01:07:02.500 But when it comes back to this point, area above the line.

01:07:07.520 That goes to the bank.

01:07:09.840 You know, here, bank only gets the area under the line.

01:07:13.400 That's not much.

01:07:15.480 That is meat.

01:07:16.900 You can see why, you know, mortgage companies like that.

01:07:19.600 But that, to the banks, pretty solid.

01:07:23.880 They're raking in quite a lot of interest.

01:07:25.940 There's another word for interest.

01:07:26.680 There's a lifetime product.

01:07:27.420 Another word for interest you could use, isn't there?

01:07:30.660 Like, usury.

01:07:32.920 Yes.

01:07:35.720 But the indentured servants have to pay.

01:07:39.240 When I say indentured servants, I mean, might as well be slaves at this point.

01:07:43.080 Yeah.

01:07:43.320 But, yeah.

01:07:44.520 So, anyway, let's have a look at that typical average house.

01:07:48.720 $410,000.

01:07:51.060 And just look at what you actually pay back.

01:07:53.880 So, if your mortgage for the average US house is 15 years, in total, you pay back $600,000.

01:08:01.520 So, you know, you're paying back a 50% premium in order to, you know, defer your payment.

01:08:09.300 Total interest to $200,000.

01:08:11.520 Now, see, that's still, in a fair world, that's still a complete piss take, isn't it?

01:08:19.220 That's really.

01:08:20.220 I mean, imagine if you came up with the idea of banks.

01:08:24.360 I mean, the first bank that figured this out was like, oh, bloody hell, that's a good deal.

01:08:27.900 So, we get to make $200,000, 50% over 15 years.

01:08:32.000 That's a good deal for us, the bank.

01:08:33.420 Safe as houses.

01:08:34.420 We've got these collateralized.

01:08:36.160 Nice.

01:08:38.180 And now that's not enough.

01:08:39.660 And if he buggers up and doesn't pay it back, we repossess it.

01:08:42.900 Yep.

01:08:43.500 Fully collateralized.

01:08:46.360 And then, that wasn't enough.

01:08:48.620 So, then, total paid on a 30-year mortgage, you pay back basically double.

01:08:54.180 You're paying the full price of the house just as interest on a 30-year. 0.99

01:08:58.760 And, right, now it gets stupid. 0.94

01:09:02.260 If you do this over 50 years, the full price that you're paying back on your £410,000 mortgage 0.98

01:09:07.500 is three times, £1.2 million.

01:09:11.620 Of which double the price of the house, £800,000, is how much you're paying to the bank.

01:09:19.240 So, yes.

01:09:21.640 Not great.

01:09:22.680 Oh, then I've just got the graph, but...

01:09:24.020 It would be nice to just have...

01:09:26.020 I mean, most people don't...

01:09:27.540 Hardly anyone can do this, really.

01:09:29.080 You have to be independently wealthy to just pay for a house up front.

01:09:32.940 And don't pay anything in interest.

01:09:35.340 Well, I mean, there are solutions that the country has a whole lot of dot.

01:09:38.520 Who's got £400,000?

01:09:41.040 Liquid cash.

01:09:43.980 I mean, if you had it, you would do it, right?

01:09:46.000 Although most people, I think, still don't.

01:09:48.820 People that have got hundreds of thousands of pounds of liquid capital will still probably

01:09:54.340 get a mortgage.

01:09:55.460 They probably wouldn't go for a 50-year option, but you'll still be like, well, I want a lot

01:10:01.100 of that money to just spend on me in the intervening years, on holidays and cars and things.

01:10:06.540 Yeah.

01:10:06.920 So I'll get a mortgage.

01:10:08.200 When, in fact, the most prudent thing to do would just be to buy the house.

01:10:12.320 Yeah.

01:10:13.060 But who really does that?

01:10:14.580 I mean, a lot of mortgage providers don't even let you do that, right?

01:10:18.360 I think a lot of mortgage providers, if you said, look, I've got £400,000, let me buy

01:10:23.240 that house, just boom, straight up, they'll be like, no, we don't offer that option.

01:10:27.140 You can't.

01:10:28.260 Well, you can.

01:10:29.160 I mean, I don't know.

01:10:30.160 I'd imagine you can do that in the US system.

01:10:31.960 I know in this system.

01:10:32.460 Oh, maybe in the US.

01:10:33.200 Sorry.

01:10:33.560 Yeah, sorry.

01:10:34.160 We'll talk about the US.

01:10:34.960 Sorry.

01:10:35.620 But, I mean, yeah, I mean, I'm in that situation.

01:10:37.780 I've got liquid capital, but I still have a mortgage.

01:10:40.320 And the reason I do that is because I can borrow money at 3% and invest it at much higher

01:10:44.420 than 3%.

01:10:45.120 So it's worth doing it.

01:10:46.560 But then I do have a system in place that I can pay back that mortgage if I need to

01:10:51.860 at any time.

01:10:52.820 I just prefer not to.

01:10:54.420 But that's not really the situation most people are in.

01:10:56.420 Most people are just going to max out whatever amount of borrowing they can, load the missiles

01:11:01.160 up to the hill.

01:11:03.300 They're going to then bid up the prices.

01:11:05.100 Because there is an interesting mechanism where what you should potentially do, right,

01:11:09.940 is you should go and buy the house that you can afford to pay back over 15 years and

01:11:15.840 then take the 50-year mortgage.

01:11:18.380 And that will save you money every month.

01:11:20.360 And then that money you take and you go and invest.

01:11:23.140 And as long as you can do better than 6%.

01:11:25.460 Well, I was just saying, that only works if you're savvy enough to invest properly.

01:11:31.440 Because all this is, all the problem with all this is, is when you borrow as much as you

01:11:36.940 possibly can on what you earn, what if you lose your job or something happens, you get

01:11:43.640 ill or you've put all your savings into investments and they tank?

01:11:49.040 Yes.

01:11:49.740 Anything can go wrong in your life over 15 years, let alone 50 years.

01:11:53.920 Yes.

01:11:54.220 Or you're guaranteed your income is never going to go down.

01:11:57.100 You can't guarantee that.

01:11:58.200 Well, that's why I kind of feel compelled to mention that example.

01:12:01.380 You should buy the house that you can afford over 15, take the 50 and invest the difference.

01:12:07.120 Because, I mean, people will scream at the comments if I don't mention it.

01:12:10.040 But you're right.

01:12:11.480 It is a tiny percentage of people who are, one, going to be savvy enough to do that.

01:12:15.940 And then two, have the discipline to do it.

01:12:18.060 And three, stick with it.

01:12:19.340 I mean, the vast majority of people are just going to bid up the house prices, max out their

01:12:24.520 expenditure, save nothing every month.

01:12:27.400 And if they lose their job, they're just screwed. 0.55

01:12:28.740 Yeah.

01:12:29.160 And I don't want to be too sycophantic to you, the great Dan Tubb.

01:12:33.740 No, I don't mind.

01:12:34.560 Go ahead.

01:12:34.800 You're a successful venture capitalist.

01:12:36.580 Yes.

01:12:37.380 Most people invest money and lose it because they don't know what they're doing.

01:12:41.180 They just have a punt.

01:12:42.720 And it wasn't the right thing to do.

01:12:45.120 Most people aren't, to be fair, most people aren't capable of taking any savings or lump

01:12:50.780 sum they've got and investing it wisely enough to get more than 6%.

01:12:55.200 That's actually a bit of an ask.

01:12:58.220 Yes.

01:12:59.140 To outperform interest rates.

01:13:02.740 If you can do that, good luck to you.

01:13:04.380 Brilliant.

01:13:04.760 Every so often the wife comes into my office when I'm doing some finance stuff and she 0.57

01:13:07.880 says, oh, what are you doing?

01:13:08.680 And I start explaining and then she just looks at me and says, I'm sorry, I asked and turned

01:13:11.820 around and walks out again.

01:13:12.860 I mean, that is where most people are.

01:13:15.020 They're not going to do this.

01:13:17.160 You need half a lifetime of doing it.

01:13:21.040 Yeah.

01:13:21.780 Like most things, like trying to paint an oil painting or write a novel. 0.85

01:13:25.880 The first few times you do it, it will be crap and you'll fail. 0.72

01:13:28.160 Yeah. 0.99

01:13:28.520 Trying to ride a bike.

01:13:29.260 The first few times you are going to fall off, 100%.

01:13:31.200 If you stick at it and you're good enough.

01:13:34.080 But that's rare.

01:13:34.820 That's rare.

01:13:35.160 Most people aren't successful investors.

01:13:36.900 If you start asking average Americans to do this, especially like 30-year-olds, they're

01:13:40.740 just going to stick it on some weird crypto thing.

01:13:43.800 And yeah, they might be able to buy a mansion at the end of it or they lose it all in the

01:13:46.540 first six months or something.

01:13:47.840 And, you know, the first is probably more likely.

01:13:51.000 I also wanted to take a quick look at, you know, I also looked up what is the most average

01:13:56.160 town in America?

01:13:58.440 Interesting.

01:13:58.700 The most average city.

01:13:59.840 Did you let AI do this or Google or?

01:14:01.920 Yeah, I think I asked ChatGPT, I asked it, what is the most average of average places

01:14:07.820 in all of America?

01:14:09.300 And apparently it's Illinois and it's this, whatever the hell it is, like, oh.

01:14:14.740 Man.

01:14:15.680 Perno or Perno.

01:14:17.000 You can get some nice places, can't you?

01:14:19.120 Look at that.

01:14:20.980 You guys in the States have no idea how expensive stuff is.

01:14:23.480 They're average houses.

01:14:25.400 Space is such a premium here.

01:14:27.020 I can't remember what this city is called, Perno or something like that.

01:14:32.980 Yeah, that house there for the top left, $225,000.

01:14:37.160 That would be like a three million pound house here.

01:14:40.100 It'd be a mansion here.

01:14:41.120 Yeah, that's a mansion.

01:14:43.740 So what do we...

01:14:44.360 Fully detached.

01:14:45.840 9,000 square feet.

01:14:48.200 Let me just go back to Mr. Average.

01:14:50.060 Right.

01:14:50.380 So Mr. Average on a 15 year mortgage, he should be buying a 260 house.

01:14:55.320 So let's go and see what Mr. Average can get in the most average town.

01:14:59.660 So we're looking for anything at 260.

01:15:02.580 I mean...

01:15:04.200 This was easier than I was.

01:15:08.640 You're like a double garage one for 999.

01:15:12.140 What?

01:15:14.100 Anyone see a 260 or close enough?

01:15:17.840 Yeah, a 234.

01:15:18.780 Most of them are under that, right?

01:15:21.660 Okay, let's just go with this one then.

01:15:23.840 Yeah.

01:15:24.160 Look at that, it's a double garage.

01:15:27.440 That's a nice little house.

01:15:28.860 That's lovely.

01:15:29.940 Raised a family in that.

01:15:31.540 Yeah.

01:15:32.020 Lovely jubbly.

01:15:33.540 But then this is average town and not like New York or, you know, where is it that you

01:15:38.920 live that the Democrats have been elected for the last 30 years and have basically stopped

01:15:42.800 your building from happening through rent controls and housing regulation?

01:15:45.840 So the biggest downside to all of this is you have to live in Illinois.

01:15:50.000 That's not that bad.

01:15:52.320 I've never been to Illinois, but I'm sure it's all right.

01:15:54.100 Yeah, right.

01:15:54.400 I've never been either, but it looks nice.

01:15:57.220 Flood it with MAGA people. 0.62

01:15:58.460 It'll be all right.

01:15:58.920 Let's see if we can find a 400,000.

01:16:01.660 What they were all aiming for.

01:16:02.760 Why do you even look?

01:16:06.380 64,000.

01:16:08.180 That's a little bungalow in it here.

01:16:09.620 Yeah, but I mean for...

01:16:10.700 Yeah, but it's nothing, is it?

01:16:11.680 Wait, this is a starter home.

01:16:13.420 Yeah.

01:16:14.140 It's fine.

01:16:14.880 It's got a garage.

01:16:16.260 Nice matte space.

01:16:17.440 Yeah.

01:16:17.760 It's got a front garden.

01:16:18.920 Front gardens in the UK.

01:16:20.100 Most people don't have a front garden.

01:16:21.700 I was going to say, frankly, that's better than the flat I live in, which hasn't even

01:16:28.440 got a balcony.

01:16:29.900 Yes.

01:16:30.260 Let alone a front or backyard.

01:16:33.200 Mad.

01:16:33.960 Yes, exactly right.

01:16:35.760 So, and the other weird thing about the American market is you can't take your loan with you.

01:16:41.520 It's tied to the house.

01:16:43.180 Whereas in the rest of the world...

01:16:44.540 So you can't move.

01:16:46.060 Well, if you do...

01:16:47.380 Sorry, go on.

01:16:47.760 So, well, this is the thing.

01:16:48.800 Let's say you went in at a really low rate and you've got that 30-year deal and a job

01:16:55.580 opportunity opens up a couple of hundred miles away.

01:16:58.780 If you sell the house, you're going to lose a deal and refinance at whatever it is now.

01:17:03.200 Let's say it's 8% of the time.

01:17:04.600 Who wants to go from 3% to 8%?

01:17:06.660 Do you buy to let?

01:17:07.780 Do they do that?

01:17:09.120 There might be ways around it like that, possibly.

01:17:12.120 I'm not sure on the intricacies.

01:17:13.840 So, in Averageville, Illinois, 400 grand, I imagine, does buy you truly a mansion then.

01:17:22.660 I'd imagine so.

01:17:23.760 You could get a massive property for 400 grand in suburban Illinois.

01:17:29.760 I tried to find one and apparently this is the most average town in America, but I tried

01:17:34.440 to find one at 400,000 and it was unsuccessful.

01:17:35.460 265,000.

01:17:39.080 I think I'm...

01:17:40.080 Rather than a scroll through and try and find something that's 400 grand's worth, I think

01:17:43.560 I'll give up.

01:17:44.100 I'll just give up.

01:17:45.280 God, man.

01:17:46.180 Quick comment to round this out.

01:17:48.220 What actually fixes this?

01:17:50.900 Because, to be fair, not every town in America is like average town.

01:17:54.800 Yeah.

01:17:55.180 Yeah.

01:17:55.600 Sure.

01:17:56.560 Well, I mean, what actually fixes it is building more homes.

01:17:58.640 It's that simple.

01:17:59.800 And typically, the places with the biggest problem are the places that have Democrat

01:18:03.800 mayors that put rent controls and housing regulations.

01:18:08.460 He comes along and says, I want housing to be better.

01:18:10.200 So, I'm going to put all these regulations on, which makes it more expensive to build.

01:18:13.900 Zoning restrictions.

01:18:14.840 That's the other thing.

01:18:15.540 Get rid of these zoning restrictions.

01:18:16.740 If you don't have zoning restrictions, what you get is a blend of residential and commercial

01:18:22.280 all mixed in.

01:18:24.360 And you get these organic communities form.

01:18:26.960 But the Americans, they love their zoning restrictions.

01:18:30.040 So, that, again, is another massive impedance to it.

01:18:33.740 And just the whole regulatory friction.

01:18:36.820 It's too much of it.

01:18:38.540 And allow mortgages to be transferable, to take them with you to a new property, like you

01:18:42.920 can everywhere else in the world.

01:18:44.680 But there's that.

01:18:45.120 But no, I think Trump has made an error.

01:18:48.560 Yeah, a massive one.

01:18:49.480 Yeah.

01:18:50.840 Well done.

01:18:51.660 Effectively, just taking money out of the pocket of your average Joe and giving it to mortgage

01:18:57.480 providers, banks.

01:18:59.200 Effectively.

01:18:59.720 I mean, what else?

01:19:00.280 How else can you describe it?

01:19:01.180 I'll go back to the chart.

01:19:02.820 I mean, just look at, you know, this area here.

01:19:07.420 That is money to the bank.

01:19:11.860 Right.

01:19:12.540 I mean, it's just bizarre.

01:19:14.060 Great.

01:19:14.380 And why he wants to compare himself to FDR, who's probably one of the worst presidents

01:19:17.820 ever.

01:19:18.580 Maybe he's just being honest.

01:19:20.440 Yeah.

01:19:22.340 That was a mistake, I think.

01:19:23.100 If that's actually what he believes, he's just being honest then, isn't he?

01:19:28.040 But, yeah, hopefully the next MAGA president is not a line-go-up boomer.

01:19:33.740 Because, yeah, this is wrong.

01:19:34.960 All right.

01:19:41.240 Bim Jim says, message deleted by podcast of the Lotus Eaters.

01:19:44.760 My God, that must have been, that must have been spicy.

01:19:46.880 Covered that one, yeah.

01:19:47.540 Oh, okay.

01:19:48.160 I covered all of them.

01:19:49.120 The only one that we did is the Ollie. 0.65

01:19:51.460 Oh, Ollie.

01:19:52.740 If no one asked for this already, can we have a Brokernomics on mortgages, please?

01:19:57.320 You've talked about mortgages before, haven't you?

01:19:58.980 You must have done.

01:20:01.020 I've mentioned them in passing on a whole number of times.

01:20:03.760 The thing I want to do with you is about mortgages.

01:20:06.400 Oh, okay.

01:20:06.900 We've got a thing in the pipeline.

01:20:07.880 Oh, yes.

01:20:08.840 And that's about mortgages and pension funds.

01:20:11.220 That might be more of a history one, though.

01:20:17.040 Well, it could be an Epox or a Brokernomics.

01:20:19.620 Epox, yeah.

01:20:20.080 I mean, it's definitely economic history.

01:20:22.760 Yes.

01:20:22.920 So it could be either.

01:20:24.460 But no, I have to think about doing one of mortgages.

01:20:27.560 Any on the other side?

01:20:28.880 Oh, you've got another one.

01:20:30.180 Have I?

01:20:30.720 Oh, Smashing Rand something.

01:20:34.300 You guys are talking about mortgages when you have no idea what you're talking about.

01:20:38.600 The 50-year mortgage is a great thing.

01:20:42.140 90% mortgages never reach maturity to selling refi.

01:20:45.560 It's also optional product.

01:20:49.100 Okay.

01:20:49.600 Well, like I say, some people like it.

01:20:52.940 I don't think it's a particularly good idea.

01:20:55.140 I mean, he's right that you can refinance into something else as you go further on.

01:20:58.840 But that kind of got to the point I was talking about is you have to kind of treat it as you have to buy the house that you can afford

01:21:03.860 and then just treat it as a way to lower repayments and do investments on the side.

01:21:07.760 But it's still a false economy, though, because look at that graph, for example, the amount of the actual principal you're paying off.

01:21:12.840 It's just way, way, way, way, way slower.

01:21:15.980 Yeah.

01:21:16.460 So how is it a good deal?

01:21:19.060 Well, because you can buy something and it's got cheaper monthly payments.

01:21:23.100 Well, it only works if you're investing alongside it, because otherwise you're just building up no equity in it.

01:21:28.040 So the only equity you're getting is the debasement effect on the price of the property.

01:21:33.840 So there's that, yeah.

01:21:36.000 Strange History says, new show idea, Zillow Eaters Gone Wild.

01:21:40.440 You three gents looking at some home sale fun.

01:21:45.360 Yes.

01:21:45.680 He thinks we should do a show where we look at American homes.

01:21:50.940 Oh.

01:21:52.140 He'll do.

01:21:53.000 I'd have fun with that.

01:21:54.060 It would just be frustrating that all their homes are dirt cheap.

01:21:57.340 Yeah.

01:21:57.900 Yes.

01:21:59.300 It'd be very annoying.

01:22:00.480 Right.

01:22:00.920 We should have a look at the comments of the lovely subs. 1.00

01:22:06.120 Subscribers, not people you whip.

01:22:08.460 Do you want to read some of yours, Bo?

01:22:15.420 Yeah, if they bring them up on screen.

01:22:16.720 I haven't got them on my screen here, but could do.

01:22:19.680 Was there not any for the other side of the chat?

01:22:23.760 I'm familiar with the average town, but in America, when you see prices that low, it means crime made people run away.

01:22:31.700 Yeah.

01:22:32.280 That could be a fair point.

01:22:33.240 That probably is a fair point.

01:22:34.700 Yeah.

01:22:34.960 I didn't check out the demographics of wherever the hell that was.

01:22:38.580 It's probably a fair point.

01:22:40.800 Someone else just calls it a money laundering scheme.

01:22:45.520 Yeah.

01:22:45.980 I mean, take that up with smashing Rand something.

01:22:51.920 Yeah.

01:22:52.240 Who says it's a great idea, a great thing.

01:22:54.460 Okay.

01:22:55.900 I mean, it hardly makes any difference to the monthly payments.

01:22:58.820 So it's just going to trap people who go the term.

01:23:01.560 Okay, so subscriber comments for my one.

01:23:07.900 Zesty King says,

01:23:08.920 I trust Labour to create government bodies and procedure, not to use them for good.

01:23:17.340 I trust Reform UK to use the existing government bodies for good, but I expect them to get bogged down.

01:23:24.080 It's entirely possible here that Mahmood is doing what Faraj can't.

01:23:28.260 Create the mechanisms for him to use and enact deportations.

01:23:32.420 Oh, that would be nice if that happened.

01:23:36.400 I've got no faith Nigel's actually going to do anything like that.

01:23:40.780 But it would be nice if that were to be the case.

01:23:45.280 Omar Rawad says, I once had this chap, Omar.

01:23:49.720 Hi, Omar.

01:23:50.140 Omar on the gold stream.

01:23:52.740 Oh, right.

01:23:53.220 Gold, gold tier Zoom call.

01:23:56.220 And I think he said, we always pronounce his name wrong.

01:23:59.300 So sorry about that.

01:24:02.120 But I forgot what he said was the correct pronunciation.

01:24:05.060 I always just call it Omar Ward. 0.63

01:24:06.160 What was it supposed to be?

01:24:07.100 I can't, that's the thing.

01:24:07.880 I can't remember what he said.

01:24:09.320 He did tell us.

01:24:10.460 Omar? 1.00

01:24:11.980 Which bit are we getting?

01:24:13.100 Omar, Omar, Awad.

01:24:16.180 Okay.

01:24:16.580 Anyway, I do remember that you tried to correct us.

01:24:19.320 Right.

01:24:20.120 But don't remember the correct pronunciation, so I apologize.

01:24:22.280 I couldn't say it properly.

01:24:23.280 He's a gold tier Zoom guy, so we appreciate it.

01:24:25.340 He's a good chap.

01:24:25.960 We appreciate it anyway.

01:24:26.620 He's a good chap.

01:24:27.760 He says, even without taking into account the fact immigrants shouldn't have access to

01:24:32.060 benefits of any kind, any real asylum seeker should be eternally grateful for safe harbour.

01:24:38.840 Yeah.

01:24:39.460 And bare bones care.

01:24:40.980 Instead, we get complainants of human rights violations for conditions better than any armed forces

01:24:49.260 experience as standard.

01:24:51.280 Yeah.

01:24:52.340 Yeah, the idea that they sort of refuse to be put up in a barracks.

01:24:56.100 Yeah, so why was that okay for people that you literally, you know, you've employed to defend the country then?

01:25:01.880 It's good enough for real patriots who are prepared to be recruits for a while or do national service back in the day or whatever it was.

01:25:08.200 It's not good enough for someone that's just come over.

01:25:11.420 Yeah.

01:25:11.740 Who likely lived in a mud hut.

01:25:13.600 Yeah.

01:25:15.160 Work that one out.

01:25:16.140 Yeah.

01:25:18.520 All right, I'll let you do some other comments.

01:25:20.940 Okay.

01:25:22.380 Fuzzy Toaster says, I demand a Pakistani manservant and a harim. 1.00

01:25:27.400 If I'm paying for it anyway, I may as well have it and benefit from it.

01:25:31.800 Brilliant.

01:25:33.600 Sophie says, reminds me of the story of the sixth largest economy in the world giving foreign aid to the second largest economy in the world.

01:25:41.120 Yeah, this is England and China.

01:25:42.660 Yeah.

01:25:44.960 Ugh.

01:25:47.460 Zesty King.

01:25:48.740 With so many Indians and Pakistanis coming to Britain, it really makes you think if British rule in the region was really that bad. 1.00

01:25:56.060 No, of course it wasn't.

01:25:56.680 Like, yeah, I don't know.

01:25:59.420 At a certain point, the world needs to, like, pick your battles.

01:26:03.820 You either want to be ruled or you don't.

01:26:05.440 You know, you either want all the benefits of the West or you don't. 1.00

01:26:08.560 If you can't get your shit together, then just ask us to rule you again. 0.99

01:26:13.080 Like, that's fine. 0.99

01:26:13.920 Yeah, the British Raj in India, the British government in India, was a net positive for that part of the world in almost any metric you can imagine.

01:26:26.020 Yeah.

01:26:26.800 But, okay, colonisation was just bad and evil across the board.

01:26:30.120 Yeah, right.

01:26:30.900 I don't know how I wanted Pakistani harem. 1.00

01:26:33.940 Yeah, I was going to say.

01:26:35.440 Yeah.

01:26:36.020 Pass.

01:26:36.140 I'm thinking it through.

01:26:37.180 Pass.

01:26:38.980 Saying no to a harem is always a difficult thing. 0.98

01:26:41.540 You don't fancy a bushwhacker?

01:26:46.420 I mean, presumably there was a...

01:26:47.460 Presumably there was a reason why when they had harems, they went further afield to get their stock.

01:26:57.940 But I don't know.

01:26:58.820 That's probably a subject for another podcast at this point.

01:27:04.380 Oh, yeah.

01:27:04.980 Northern Blood.

01:27:06.220 Yeah, the 50-year mortgage is not a great idea after saying Dan's math, but still a better idea than the Australian Labour government dropping the percentage of savings required for a home from 10% to 5%, thus ending raising the price of houses.

01:27:19.640 Yeah, this is what this always does.

01:27:20.920 Whenever you put more borrowing into a system, unless you create more houses at the same time, it's just more money chasing the same properties, and therefore they get bidded up.

01:27:33.900 So, yes, exactly right.

01:27:35.260 In that Australian example they said there, and in the 50-year mortgage example in America here, you quite quickly get to that, what they call subprime mortgages, right?

01:27:47.320 And that was that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac thing, where basically people were trying to buy houses they ultimately can't afford.

01:27:56.000 Somewhere along the line, you default.

01:27:59.180 Yeah.

01:27:59.500 So, I mean...

01:28:00.380 Because you've got 50 years to bugger it up.

01:28:03.000 We're slightly late on time, but we started late, so I'll go over and just make that point.

01:28:07.660 So, yeah, so that was the issue, right?

01:28:08.980 So, the problem is when you started with mortgages is, from the first blush, it's bad for the bank, right?

01:28:16.460 Because the bank is looking at this and thinking, okay, I've got no idea what the state of money is going to be in 10 years' time,

01:28:21.860 but I've got to write a commitment now to receive a fixed income from you to buy this thing,

01:28:28.260 and I don't know what my return profile is going to look like 10 years out.

01:28:32.320 Right.

01:28:33.080 So, what they did is they started creating things like mortgage-backed securities.

01:28:36.680 They started securitizing these things to stretch them out for the long term,

01:28:40.720 and then actually they realized, oh, actually, this is bloody good business,

01:28:43.480 because now we've got this securitized long-term income that we can then sell off to pension funds

01:28:47.060 or whoever wants a long, stable income stream, and actually we can churn them through really quickly,

01:28:52.220 so we just want to write as much business as we can, and the longer-term debt, the better,

01:28:56.720 which is why they're probably so happy to be getting 50-year mortgages,

01:29:00.680 because now they can sell 50-year income streams as a securitized product.

01:29:04.880 Right.

01:29:05.920 Yeah.

01:29:06.700 Yeah.

01:29:09.720 Richard Shimmy says,

01:29:11.900 it's my understanding Trump is doing 50-year mortgages because one of his advisors kept pestering him about it.

01:29:17.580 He's basically doing it to get that advisor off his back,

01:29:21.100 which is just as bad as doing it because boomer line go up. 0.99

01:29:25.140 Well, whatever reason it is, I think this is one that deserves a little bit of pushback.

01:29:31.280 That's a terrible reason.

01:29:32.220 If that's true, yeah, that's terrible leadership.

01:29:36.680 That isn't any kind of leadership, is it?

01:29:38.460 No.

01:29:38.960 Yeah.

01:29:40.380 Here's the debasement effect.

01:29:41.600 Dreadnought Logan says,

01:29:43.540 my parents bought their house for 500,000, four rooms, three baths, 1.5 acres.

01:29:48.620 Now the house is worth, to the bank, 2.1 million, and they haven't done anything to it.

01:29:53.640 Yeah.

01:29:55.860 Yeah.

01:29:58.220 Yeah.

01:29:58.940 Brilliant.

01:29:59.660 If you're in property,

01:30:00.540 well, the only thing I will say for this is it benefits banks and people who already have property,

01:30:05.440 but you're not going to sell your house, so what good does it really do you?

01:30:12.500 I mean, really, the only people who benefit from it are people who've got an elderly relative

01:30:16.680 who's about to die and they don't need to move into it.

01:30:19.080 As I say, it might benefit if you pass it down through your family.

01:30:22.220 Oh, no, inheritance tax makes it take you. 0.76

01:30:24.240 And there's that, yeah. 1.00

01:30:25.160 Buy it out of your ass the moment you die. 1.00

01:30:27.720 Brilliant. 1.00

01:30:28.380 Yeah.

01:30:29.100 It can be that.

01:30:30.000 Excellent, sir.

01:30:30.460 So, probably not a white pill segment episode today.

01:30:38.660 There wasn't much white pill in there, to be fair.

01:30:41.600 Maybe we do a bit of white pilling by the end of the week or something,

01:30:44.880 but we've got to dish out the black pills now because we were oversupplied.

01:30:48.500 So, thank you for joining.

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