The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1300
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Summary
In this episode of Lotus Eaters, we talk about how calling people racist will backfire on both sides of the political fence, and why we should be worried about being called racist. We also talk about Elon Musk's AI Tower of Babel, and what the left gets wrong about socialism.
Transcript
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Good afternoon and welcome to the podcast of the Lotus Eaters episode 1300 on the 20th of November 2025.
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I'm your host Harry, joined today by part-timer Josh and part-timer Firaz.
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And today we're going to be talking about how calling people racist will backfire.
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I'm going to be talking about Elon Musk's AI Tower of Babel and his utopian dreams,
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which definitely are just memes and will stay that way.
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And you're going to be telling us what socialists get right.
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It's going to be a bit of an involved segment actually.
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It should be interesting, what with a libertarian on the panel.
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When it comes to paying taxes, I become very libertarian.
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But when it comes to use of government power, I'm not.
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I did this little bit last week on the whole trad tax,
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and then it got me thinking about all of the taxes
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and the way that they're built to screw you over.
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Income tax, national insurance, the way the student loan repayments work.
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You rake me over the coals, but we broadly agree with each other.
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But outside of all of that, we might as well get into the news.
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It's five years since I first joined Lotus Eaters today.
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I joined on the 25th of November 2020, and that was five years ago.
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It's such a shame you're no longer employed by us.
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It sort of takes the wind out of the sails a little bit, doesn't it?
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Although people will point out in the comments, he's back just as much.
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Anyway, I should get on with what I'm actually here for, shall I?
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Well, I've known you for four years, but those past five years, no, we're not going to do that.
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People are generally ignoring accusations of racism these days, and that's because it's
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If you inflate it too much, then it becomes devalued, it doesn't hold any weight.
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And amongst the right, the more someone is called racist, the more we think they're our
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guy, which is a sort of backfire thing, because it's going to backfire both for the left and
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For the left, by calling everything racist and caring about immigration is racist, they're
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going to marginalize themselves because people are concerned about immigration and they're
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willing to put up with being called racist because, as we can see from the US and both
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the UK and many other European countries, people calling these parties racist isn't putting
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people off voting for them and vocally supporting them.
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But it also backfires for the right as well, because we think that someone who gets called
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racist every day makes them sort of our guy, just like, yes, this person must be on our
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side because the left's giving them a hard time.
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And that's not necessarily true, because both Trump and Farage in Britain get this in abundance
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and pretty much Farage is a Thatcherite neoliberal.
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No one really looks at Margaret Thatcher and says, you know what her legacy is?
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He's not really breaking out of the paradigm and it's pretty standard, colourblind, meritocratic
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A lot of normies don't know that though, because a lot of normies do perceive the world
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On last Friday after I got back home, I went to the pub to meet up with a mate and we were
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talking to some guy, half Irish, half English, who, as he was leaving the table, he was very
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drunk, he started screeching about how, you know, like, because somebody brought up Remembrance
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Day, he started screeching about how, oh, you're not allowed to support Remembrance Day
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or remember all of those people who died to fight fascism when fascism's rising in the UK.
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If you're going to go and vote for Nigel Farage, you should go and kill yourself.
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And I was not enough pints down and had a banging headache, so I did not want to start
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an argument over it, but I was just, like, facepalming, going, please go away.
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He was on his way out at the time he started screeching about it anyway, so I was like,
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So, normies do still perceive the world through this lens.
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Objectively, if you look at the policies and you look at the actual evidence, rather than
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the hearsay and what, you know, is said in the media, which are the, you know, two best
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ways to control people is low information, fast-paced sort of tolerance.
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I mean, this guy was not the most intelligent person that I've ever met.
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And Donald Trump, to pivot as a sort of parallel, is basically a 1990s New York Democrat, you
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A lot of his policies are similar to that of Bill Clinton.
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You know, Barack Obama did more deportations than Trump, although, of course, they do face
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Everybody turned away at the border as a deportation under Obama.
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But it's still fair to say that lots of people are disappointed at the rate of deportation.
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And also, the U-turn on H-1Bs and bringing in more legal migration, these sorts of things.
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To that, they'll point to the lack of border crossings since Trump came in office, which
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But I think we have to accept, easily reversible by the next administration, if you get a Democrat
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in, who's just going to open the floodgates again, and if you are not deporting the 10
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million plus illegals who are already in the country, at a rate that is going to reverse
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their entry into the country, then you're not even making a dent.
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Because all of those illegals are going to have children, and you're going to face the
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same birth rate problems that everywhere else in the West is experiencing.
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I'm not on the Elon birth rates train, but I do admit and accept, because you have to
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recognize, if white birth rates are what they are, as opposed to non-white birth rates, that
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is where, even with closed borders, the demographic change is going to happen.
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And I think that there are lots of other things as well that are points of concern, but just
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because the Democrats would be worse doesn't mean that you should just be perfectly happy
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You can still have expectations and hold people you otherwise support to account, and I think
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But people don't necessarily do that, and it's a shame, because, and I think that this
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is sort of playing a part in it, by calling both of them, you know, racist and fascist.
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It doesn't really defame their reputations anymore.
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If anything, it makes them more popular with their base, because it legitimizes them as an
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And, you know, the worst consequence is that it contains the genuine right-wing movements,
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because people think they're much more radical than they really are.
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Like Trump and Farage, not really that radical in the grand scheme of things.
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The rise of fascism in Italy all over again, and people got really hyped up for it, because
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they're saying, if she's that bad, she must be willing to make the difficult decisions
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that are going to turn Italy's situation around.
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Which is basically a continuation of Thatcherite neoliberalism, anyway.
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And that's what I see, these sorts of public accusations of, oh, these people are racist.
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I'm going to use examples from Farage, because there's been a recent story that I find interesting.
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But it could apply just as much to Maloney, or Trump, or any political leader that is described
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as, you know, a controversial right-winger, when actually the reality is they're not actually
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And all of these accusations actually serve to legitimize them to their own base, when
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perhaps people could afford to be a little bit more critical towards these people, because
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And you shouldn't just take people for granted and be a cheerleader for them.
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You can drag these leaders to the right if you employ the right strategy.
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So here's a recent example from only a month ago.
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So Shibana Mahmood, a Pakistani lady who currently occupies the position of Home Secretary, called
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Nigel Farage worse than racist over dog-whistle politics.
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She's claiming that he's not actually a virtually racist, but he dog-whistles, which makes him
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But except for the fact that many people on the right are actually critical of Farage
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And so I don't understand what these dog-whistles are.
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In fact, many of the people who they're worried about are critical of him for not being radical
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This only serves to legitimize the notion that he is radical and makes people support him
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And this is the one that I think is perhaps the most egregious.
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So this is a story about smoke coming out of his mouth because he said something that
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Deeply shocking, Nigel Farage faces fresh claims of racism and anti-Semitism at school.
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I think it was in the early 80s, maybe the late 70s.
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And lots of these claims are coming from when he was like 13.
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I'm going to read some of this because it's funny how they frame him.
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Like, they make him just sound like a schoolboy, even from sort of our era, Harry, where he's
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just saying controversial things to wind people up.
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Everybody who's around our age should remember Sycopedia.
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It was an encyclopedia of, like, really terrible, unfunny jokes, but they were as offensive and
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And me and my friends on the school grounds during breaks would take turns looking through
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and finding the most gross-out jokes possible to tell, or offensive jokes as possible to
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So anyone who's had normal schooling, particularly if they were, you know, once a boy, and I don't
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mean that in the modern sense, I mean they have grown up to be a man, will understand that
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this is how schools sort of work, even if lots of this is true.
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And we're also relying on the account of a couple of people remembering something from,
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So all his years in UKIP, all his years in frontline politics, this was not an issue.
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And then all of a sudden, when he's on the cusp of being prime minister, all of a sudden
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Yeah, the latest revelations come from someone called Peter Eted-Gui.
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And he says, he would sidle up to me and growl, Hitler was right.
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Or gas them, sometimes adding a long hiss to simulate the sound of the gas showers.
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If this guy was acting super triggered and getting really upset at it, he's just going
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Anyone that's been to school knows that if you react by going, oh, no, you can't say
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In a school, to school children, what you're going to do is invite more of it.
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And you're going to make yourself more of a target.
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And apparently, Eted-Gui, 61, is a BAFTA and Emmy-winning director and producer whose
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credits include Kinky Boots and McQueen and Super Slash Man.
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But anyway, back then he was a 13-year-old boy at a loss as how to handle what he described
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as a sudden and inexplicable intrusion of anti-Semitism into his life.
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I like how they're talking about bantering between 13...
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13-year-olds being edgy to one another and being a bit mean.
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But in the current political landscape, all this does is make people think, oh, 13-year-old
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You know, sidling up to people and just saying the worst thing he could possibly do.
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I can admit to doing that sort of thing to people all of the time in school.
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In Lebanon, in a diverse society, your only friends were people who you could make nasty,
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obscene jokes with about their religious background.
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And if you crossed that barrier, you were friends.
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And you could joke about each other's religions and make fun of each other and that was it.
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But I have no idea about British schoolboy culture.
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It's very much similar, except it's just more general just abuse.
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It's not as sectarian unless you're maybe in Scotland.
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But okay, somebody said something 50 years ago.
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in recent weeks, the Guardian has heard allegations from more than a dozen school contemporaries of Farage
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who recount incidents of deeply offensive behavior throughout his teenage years.
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Because not only are they sort of making him out to normal people as he was once a schoolboy
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who did offensive things that, you know, there weren't any Jewish people in my school.
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So, you know, I couldn't have possibly done this.
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But there are many equivalents of things that I did that were edgy.
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I don't think anyone's going to come out and speak to the Guardian and say,
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Josh was, you know, teasing me for my various heritages or something.
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I'm happy to sit on it until it's the most opportune moment.
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Whatever this is true or false, this is clearly weaponized.
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I'm sorry, but I can see what you mean as well, Josh,
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because this is very clearly could be aimed at people like us
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to try and rehabilitate Farage as a bit of a laugh,
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somebody who was known for being a bit of a leader.
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He wasn't afraid to go there and make jokes that other people wouldn't.
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And there's absolutely an element to this whole story,
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especially at a time when Zoomers are starting to invert the boomer morality,
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that this could be an attempt to try and win people over.
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Now, that might be conspiratorial thinking 4D chess.
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Whether it's deliberate or not, it's still going to have that effect.
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I think it is the Guardian, you know, having a little tantrum.
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And the funny thing is that this happened all the way back in 2013.
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And this time they were trying to call him a fascist instead of a racist.
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And it's talking about he was recommended to be a prefect, basically,
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And to read a little bit of it, I'm going to scroll down.
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The letter says when one teacher said Farage was a fascist,
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but that was no reason why he would not make a good prefect,
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which I thought was a funny line in and of itself.
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There was a considerable reaction from colleagues.
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It's a bit weird to call a school child a fascist anyway, isn't it?
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getting a group of boys to march for a small town,
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I don't actually think Nigel Farage is a national socialist,
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he was fantasizing about if we'd just basically gone in
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after the First World War and genocided the Germans
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So he's about as far from being a national socialist as possible.
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Terry Walsh, who was the deputy master at Dulwich,
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says Farage was well known for provoking people,
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the man who appointed Farage and received Chloe Deakin's letter,
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says he has no memory of the meeting or the letter,
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I didn't probe too closely into that naughtiness.
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But the staff were fed up with his cheekiness and rudeness.
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They wanted me to expel him, but I saw his potential,
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they recall Farage making racist remarks as a pupil
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though none have been willing to say so publicly.
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This is just the same sort of thing that they're employing.
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So I don't know about these accusations of anti-Semitism.
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And yeah, Nigel Farage denies the Gaza genocide
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obviously the Labour Party have seen an opportunity,
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where the number 10, i.e. Keir Starmer and his government,
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the disturbing allegations of past racist behaviour
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Putting people headfirst in bins and, you know...
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because then it becomes actually mean-spirited and nasty.
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and you also accept and be a good sport when it's you.
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But yes, they're obviously trying to jump on this
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oh, look at how evil and racist Nigel Farage is.
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I don't know how I feel about believing that necessarily.
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And in the wake of the Conservative Party betrayal,
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I don't think believing any politician at their word,
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And here's the sort of cookie cutter leftist response.
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They're going to think what they think regardless.
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Someone must understand the read of the country
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early China and the Soviet Union it was more of a
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went with export-led growth in order to develop
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pretty much the same approach in 1962 this was a
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destroyed economy they had they were operating on
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standards this is how bad it was in South Korea and
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then the South Korean government decided that we are
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going to pursue a policy that is aimed at building up our
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industrial capacity and this policy was supported with a combination of loans and
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financing and market access and so on and so forth and industrial policy
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succeeded they really made a great job and now South Korean cars are competing with
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everybody South Korean chips are indispensable South Korean phones are
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market leaders they took their GDP per capita from 87 dollars in the 60s 87 dollars to
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10,000 15,000 20,000 dollars this was the extent of their success and it was
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neither the Soviet or early Chinese pure state control but it was also not free
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market libertarianism it was not economic liberalism that did not succeed that did
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not build them what they did manage to do was create a level of cooperation
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between industries and the state you could go on and read about this I've given
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you a bunch of links here and China did something very similar it China went
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through different phases according to Philip Pilkington six different phases of
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development the first one is a complete failure where all they did was just we're
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gonna invest in as much infrastructure and industry as we could and then people
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starved and died under Mao and then Deng Xiaobing came over basically he had been
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kicked out of political life and then he became the leader of China and he
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inverted that and adopted economic pragmatism and when you look at where
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Britain is today it's this level of economic pragmatism that's needed but
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it's happening now under very different conditions because the economic
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pragmatism of the various Asian Giants was predicated on there being an endless
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expansion of globalism and more and more market access being given to Asia into
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Europe and the United States this phase is done and any British policymaker has to realize this the
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Americans want to prioritize their own market the EU wants to prioritize its own market the Japanese are
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always going to be protectionist so we're going to our South Koreans tariffs are coming back
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tariffs are coming back so there is this level of realism that's needed but this level of realism was very present in Britain's own
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industrial revolution it was mostly privately led but when things like the
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canal mania happened where Britain pretty much connected all of its industrial hubs
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with canals and allowed the very rapid transportation of goods between different
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locations this was done through acts of Parliament that helped the financiers of the
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canals so it was three steps really to summarize the first step was somebody very clever with
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usually self-taught and engineering would decide on a canal route they would go to Parliament and get
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that approved and allow for the acquisition of land and the acquisition of resources then they'd go to
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investors and get that privately funded why because Britain is never going to be this kind of centrally led economy
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it's just not in the nature of the English to be this subservient to the state they don't work this
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way we shed tinkerers yes yes so it was a combination of the shed tinkerers and the government working on
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supporting them and allowing them to become rich so it's extremely similar if you wanted to think of the British
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the British temperament is extremely similar to how the Chinese are operating today they're defining the
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technologies that they want they're defining the objectives that they want and then the state is
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providing the loans and the financing and the backing and this can happen to to Britain as well and this kind
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of semi-planning with a level of competition does work but it requires the shedding of ideology the shedding of
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socialist ideology that says that the state must control all of the means of production and the
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shedding of libertarian ideology that says no no the state has no role in the allocation of capital
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the state should have a role and should have objectives and should have policies and these
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policies should be geared at what the state is supposed to do defending the homeland being able to raise an
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army being able to kill enemies the thing to remember is when this happened when the building
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of canals happened which coincided with the napoleonic wars the total take of the British government out of
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the economy was between 9 and 20 percent now 45 percent of the British economy is controlled by the state
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and it's mostly wasted on welfare so the socialists are partly right some level of cooperation between the state
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and the economic leaders is warranted and the state does have a role in the allocation of capital
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but not this insane welfarism and not this insane taxation i'm going to preempt two things that i know
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people are going to comment go on one of them is uh i'm sure people are going to point out uh japan's
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very high debt to gdp ratio yes sort of known which came after the 80s that's true yes which came after the 80s it came after
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the economic miracle had passed and then they had their lost decade of the 1990s
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essentially and they've been in lost decade after lost decade since then more or less
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that's also a function of the collapse in birth rates in japan and the collapse in demographics and
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they've decided to just fund the elderly through welfare not through industrial policy in order
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to pay for that so yes there are possible traps in that and the trap is doing exactly what Britain is
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doing today and i know someone in the comments is going to point out that well um some liberals uh
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liberal economists or free market economists or libertarians um argue that you need protectionism
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when business is emerging and then when it flourishes in a specific industry then you can
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open up to um the market which is limited things i i can also respond to that which is um
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what leading industries do we have yeah we don't have any industries that we can open the markets
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there is none because the whole point of that is you build up build up your industries so that they are
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able to compete and this isn't necessarily but libertarian this is more like alexander hamilton
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um almost guild uh protectionist politics um mercantilism even yeah mercantilism you build up those
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industries internally until they can compete on the global stage then you open up the markets so that
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you're able to out compete other industries hopefully put them out of business and force them into being
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uh reciprocal to you look with the geopolitics of today and with the western demographics of today
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it might end up being that europe and her daughters that is europe latin america north america etc
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australia decide that they are forming one trade zone and they are competing against each other in that zone
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and within each country there's a level of tinkering there's a level of specialization etc
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it's it's it's one way of turning the west around essentially a more unified christendom
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more or less that accepts that its civilizational enemies are going to be the muslim world and china
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which to to to be honest about it that's very much what the civilizational enemies of the west are
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always going to be in the in the world that we live in so there is room for that there is room for
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something along these lines so long as you don't end up putting all of your industries in the united
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states um having them all be in china is not much much worse way worse exactly exactly and notice i
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don't mention india as a civilizational competitor for obvious reasons um so there is a there is something
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to say about how the geopolitics of trade have changed and how there is a need for christendom to
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recognize itself as chris as christendom because having polish immigrants turned out to be a blessing
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compared to all of the other alternatives uh and and you've personally experienced that comparatively
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comparatively they still they still like a lot of them still like their welfare fair enough a lot of
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them still like their welfare although i'd argue that now it's a bigger problem with the bulgarians
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and the romanians but that's true that's true there was there was still problems even when it's
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somewhere as culturally close as poland there were still huge problems josh might remember this cast
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your mind back to the mid-2000s of course where they would come and they would create their own little
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ethnic enclaves and there would be ethnic divisions there one of the schools in the town that i grew up
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had riots because of polish versus english tensions yep that were going on so it it can still create
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problems even with people as close to us as that i would say i would say the the scandinavians and
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germans and and uh people more along those lines don't go into our country and form their own ethnic
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enclaves anywhere near as badly yep fair enough fair enough i think it's a matter of scale isn't it if a
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large enough number of people turn up on mass they form their own communities and that's not to
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disparage all poles like you say it's just it's just a matter of scales it's a matter of human nature
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we do it in spain it's it's also a matter of human nature people naturally congregate around people who
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speak their own languages but the point the last point that i want to make uh given the time is that
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this is only possible in all of these countries where there is energy abundance where there is
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plentiful of cheap and reliable energy so if you're going to pursue anything like that um you must have
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an insane explosion in the amount of energy that is being produced in britain and you must have
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exploitation of oil gas coal in order to transition to nuclear you need to have national security on
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that as well you can't be national security has to be a top priority in energy you can't outsource your
01:26:53.320
energy production uh britain's standard of living pretty much stagnated right after it stopped being
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a net energy exporter you have to have a huge amount of abundant energy and if you pair that with very
01:27:08.760
basic things like letting schools be academically selective like letting schools base train for
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talent as opposed to for ideology with this kind of talented population and with energy and with some
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cooperation between the state and capital there can be an industrial revival and if the right wants to
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win it has to address the economic question not just the national question and this is what
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really missing in the vision of the right and that's why with somebody like nigel faraj who is
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essentially just a thatcherite this isn't going to be enough there has to be a full-on attack on the
01:27:52.600
left's economic agenda they're saying let's just tax and spend the answer must be let's build wealth and
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part of building wealth in the countries that have succeeded has involved a very high level of cooperation
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between government and capital owners uh this is oligarchy to some extent but so long as you
01:28:12.680
discipline the oligarchs and they're afraid of the state you can make this into a into a winning formula
01:28:18.600
it needs to be i i said this on a recent podcast it needs to be guided in the interests of the nation
01:28:24.840
the nation itself being the people of a particular time a particular place and ancestry it needs to be
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in their benefit rather than the benefit of the bottom line of these companies exactly solely
01:28:39.240
exactly exactly exactly exactly and that's all the time that we have for this segment
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well i'll read a couple of comments yeah i think that was really interesting okay so we'll uh go
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through uh we've got a few rumble rants random name great podcast gents amazing segments thank you
01:28:55.480
very much thank you for taking the time to read all super chats i always try to don't want to
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shortchange people here's five dollars monopoly money canadian oof though not for you harry
01:29:07.400
you got your pot of gold waiting thanks when did harry become a leprechaun i i i missed something
01:29:13.400
since people decided that i was ginger ah egregiously wrongly gaily yeah low no no your hair decided
01:29:23.320
logan reminder forget uh forgot the promises of progress yeah house vacation i've been using
01:29:29.960
that uk public public spending website for years as a way to get me depressed uh you should see the
01:29:35.960
covid years i can now inform you guys i'm thoroughly depressed yippee you don't need to go to that
01:29:41.320
website you've got a podcast you know that's progress you've progressed from one stage of
01:29:46.760
depression to the next so you're welcome do we have any video comments harry
01:29:55.240
we don't have any video comments screw it let's go over by five or so minutes let's read a few of these
01:30:00.120
uh website comments as well josh do you want to go through yours of course um sophie live says yeah
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these people don't understand that we are now at a point where if a politician openly states he's racist
01:30:10.200
in favor of white people that would be a vote winner as no one in power seems to have the corner of
01:30:15.000
poor white people at all it's not just poor white people middle class um white people in britain in
01:30:20.520
particular yep have been squeezed perhaps the most um of anyone and that's not just me you know being
01:30:26.520
self-interested but yeah we could show you our pay slips to demonstrate but we won't
01:30:33.000
uh kevin fox says if i were nigel i would explain the comments were made when i was 13 right after
01:30:38.840
keir starlin explains why for a ukrainian rent boy set fire to his old house in a car
01:30:43.400
um if he uh won't i wouldn't um yeah where is that where where is the explanation for the rent
01:30:51.080
boys that story is buried deeper than something demand answers keir harry demands video footage i demand the
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live leaks dear me jimbo g says honestly sick of even hearing the word racist at this point
01:31:14.360
they think literally everything is racist so who cares correct like when dealing with colonialism
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the only time they acknowledge the english race is when it's being used as a stick to beat you with
01:31:24.200
yeah i i like pointing this out that the english as an ethnicity only exists when we're being racist or
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colonial so basically when we're being better than other people or when they're trying to extort us
01:31:35.080
for reparations that's still related to colonialism isn't it i put it under the same umbrella i always
01:31:40.760
i always like to think you know like um oh so you're you're british just like that so we can split
01:31:45.160
the bill then yeah right and when who who's that actually going to in that case if all of these
01:31:52.040
people are just as british as i am my favorite thing is to bring up people you know particularly with
01:31:56.600
online indians who are perhaps some of the most annoying nationals online um i bring up the the
01:32:01.720
fact that many indians participated in colonialism in india you're going to demand reparations this is
01:32:06.920
funny that you don't this is something that we should remind the irish as well when they're kvetching
01:32:12.280
as they like to do which is the irish were also heavily involved in colonialism as red shirts and other
01:32:20.360
and other administrators we're very grateful for you for that and yes it was glorious and don't be
01:32:24.840
ashamed so stop shirking your own responsibility there you stupid mix uh ed milliband harnessing
01:32:32.120
enoch's spinning grave uh brilliant uh brilliant bowie wrote a prophetic song about this 50 years
01:32:40.840
ago called save your machine ai will destroy humanity not by killing us but by creating so
01:32:45.240
much peace and abundance that it drives us insane it begins with president joe once had a dream
01:32:50.840
sleepy joe much i do love some david bowie richard schmier elon is right whether you think that
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makes him marxist or a bug man or not or whether you think he's even saying it's a desirable outcome
01:33:02.120
or not if ai continues to improve that is a big if as we've spoken about and with some programmers in
01:33:09.320
here have said as well whether ai is actually intelligent is still up for question whether it's
01:33:15.480
capable of doing all of these things that he thinks it is and says it will be is still a huge
01:33:20.840
question that is unanswered there will eventually come a point where ai can do literally every job
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there'll be nothing for people to do and no reason for them to do it the economy will collapse and
01:33:30.200
people will turn to hedonism to get through the day while elon keeps making these predictions i don't
01:33:35.080
recall him ever saying that this is the outcome that he wants in fact i'm pretty sure he said he'd rather
01:33:40.360
we don't have ai at all but if it must happen it must be our ai and not china's i don't believe
01:33:46.760
that this isn't an outcome that elon wants because for one he is a technocrat and technocrats all adhere
01:33:53.400
to the same technocratic logic and mentality so i do disagree with you there and um i've got to say
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that is not a rosy picture of the future that we are painting here there's a reason it is being
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compared with the tower of babel if it's going to cause all of humanity to collapse maybe it isn't
01:34:12.280
something that is worth pursuing there's also one job ai will never be able to take which is
01:34:17.400
human advocate against ai it might surprise you it might surprise you uh sam western harry talking of
01:34:25.960
socialist utopians with insane ideals and visions look up king camp gillette the founder of the company
01:34:31.960
that would eventually become gillette and his outline for a mega city called metropolis in a
01:34:36.280
book he wrote called the human drift available on amazon he explained among other things that would
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not only be uh that would not only possess a perfect economical system of production and
01:34:47.400
distribution ran by a united company but would also be powered by niagara falls that's very
01:34:53.720
interesting yeah interesting do you want to read through some of yours yeah sure uh sophie live says
01:34:58.680
well even then these tactics can't have been that good you just went ahead and listed the three
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countries with the lowest birth rate yeah no i agree with you it doesn't solve the human problem
01:35:08.920
the human problem is a spiritual problem and that's separate from the economic problem but yes you're
01:35:13.560
you're absolutely right uh cumbrian kulak says i'd advise one of you to read the welfare trait how
01:35:20.520
state benefits impact personality by dr adam perkins psychiatrist so you might like him josh okay
01:35:25.800
might not like him it says i'm not a big fan of psychiatry but okay i do admit that sometimes
01:35:31.560
they can have good ideas so i'm not a zealot necessarily okay it's a very succinct book full
01:35:36.600
of data quite a tiring book not cheap ed dutton references it a lot okay uh grant gibson let's
01:35:44.680
talk about what the socialists get right immediately lists this like seven things come on yes yeah
01:35:50.840
you didn't expect me to become a socialist did you uh but they're right that there is an economic
01:35:55.000
problem also worth noting what caliber of polls went to britain they have a bad reputation in
01:36:00.440
both in poland too that's a fair point like i said i'm not trying to smear all polls with that
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uh i have heard from a few people now you're reminding me that yeah it was a lot of the
01:36:09.800
scrounging polls that poland didn't want to come over but that's the same when you've got a welfare
01:36:13.960
state that's open to the world that's the same even with the islamic countries laughing at us
01:36:18.280
going like thanks for taking all our criminal suckers yeah pretty much like it keeps happening
01:36:23.000
that's why we need to stop giving welfare to the world's criminals yeah uh roman observer says same
01:36:30.040
thing happened in italy they had a mixed economy in the 50s and 60s and then privatization and
01:36:34.840
de-industrialization in the 90s it's it's it's a real problem like industry and keeping people employed is
01:36:41.800
should be a top state priority and nobody on the right is addressing that and we've got two more
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honorable mentions from daniel butchers and zesty king both saying happy birthday zesty says now
01:36:52.760
you're 30 you're officially old i felt it before but now it's nice to have a formal title i can't
01:36:58.840
believe how young you people are well thank you i'm not making me feel younger already yeah you'll get
01:37:04.600
there harry that's quicker than i'd like as well finally your ginger hair will go gray you guys can
01:37:11.240
keep just like coping and telling yourself that i'm ginger but what do you what do you identify as
01:37:16.760
blonde ah it doesn't matter i've got lots of redheads in my family my hair goes a little bit
01:37:20.840
red in the sun so it's nothing to be ashamed of just come out and proud as ginger harry i'm not
01:37:24.920
saying i'm ashamed i'm saying that it's just not true oh you're in you're deep in the ginger closet
01:37:29.560
and uh oh that's a random name said it's always better to be a ginger than an anagram of one and
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on that note i think that's where we should end thank you all very much for joining us today i think
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it's been a a good time so we'll see you again tomorrow uh where we can depress you even more