The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1300

00:00:00.240 Good afternoon and welcome to the podcast of the Lotus Eaters episode 1300 on the 20th of November 2025.

00:00:09.800 I'm your host Harry, joined today by part-timer Josh and part-timer Firaz.

00:00:15.200 Hello!

00:00:16.280 And today we're going to be talking about how calling people racist will backfire.

00:00:21.860 I'm going to be talking about Elon Musk's AI Tower of Babel and his utopian dreams,

00:00:27.500 which definitely are just memes and will stay that way.

00:00:32.120 And you're going to be telling us what socialists get right.

00:00:35.360 Yes.

00:00:36.240 It's going to be a very short segment.

00:00:37.700 It's going to be a bit of an involved segment actually.

00:00:40.640 It's about industrial policy.

00:00:42.080 Okay.

00:00:42.540 It should be interesting, what with a libertarian on the panel.

00:00:46.380 I'm not that libertarian these days.

00:00:48.680 When it comes to paying taxes...

00:00:50.220 Age is catching up with you.

00:00:51.300 When it comes to paying taxes, I become very libertarian.

00:00:54.160 But when it comes to use of government power, I'm not.

00:00:56.460 That's the same with me these days.

00:00:58.400 I did this little bit last week on the whole trad tax,

00:01:01.640 and then it got me thinking about all of the taxes

00:01:03.500 and the way that they're built to screw you over.

00:01:06.120 Income tax, national insurance, the way the student loan repayments work.

00:01:10.460 And it really does make my blood boil.

00:01:12.620 You rake me over the coals, but we broadly agree with each other.

00:01:15.480 Basically.

00:01:17.180 But it's fun to poke fun at you, Josh.

00:01:19.680 It is.

00:01:20.320 It's fun.

00:01:21.140 It's what bros do.

00:01:22.360 It's what bros do.

00:01:23.240 But outside of all of that, we might as well get into the news.

00:01:27.060 Actually, I had an announcement before.

00:01:28.720 Oh, all right.

00:01:29.720 It's five years since I first joined Lotus Eaters today.

00:01:32.360 I joined on the 25th of November 2020, and that was five years ago.

00:01:37.560 Well, happy Lotus Eaters' birthday. 1.00

00:01:39.420 Thank you very much.

00:01:40.400 It's such a shame you're no longer employed by us.

00:01:42.420 I know.

00:01:43.140 It sort of takes the wind out of the sails a little bit, doesn't it?

00:01:46.500 Although people will point out in the comments, he's back just as much.

00:01:49.340 I was like, no, I'm not.

00:01:50.520 Definitely not.

00:01:51.160 I'm doing a lot less work.

00:01:52.220 It's great.

00:01:53.720 Anyway, I should get on with what I'm actually here for, shall I?

00:01:57.080 Must you?

00:01:58.060 I can if you want.

00:01:59.060 We can just have a chat.

00:02:00.180 Sounds nice.

00:02:01.220 We can reminisce.

00:02:03.200 Well, I've known you for four years, but those past five years, no, we're not going to do that.

00:02:07.120 People are generally ignoring accusations of racism these days, and that's because it's

00:02:14.700 pretty much an oversaturated word.

00:02:17.080 It's been used too much.

00:02:17.980 It's like currency.

00:02:18.740 If you inflate it too much, then it becomes devalued, it doesn't hold any weight.

00:02:21.980 It's not a social reputational weapon anymore.

00:02:24.820 And amongst the right, the more someone is called racist, the more we think they're our

00:02:28.060 guy, which is a sort of backfire thing, because it's going to backfire both for the left and

00:02:33.700 the right.

00:02:34.300 For the left, by calling everything racist and caring about immigration is racist, they're

00:02:39.980 going to marginalize themselves because people are concerned about immigration and they're

00:02:45.000 willing to put up with being called racist because, as we can see from the US and both

00:02:50.840 the UK and many other European countries, people calling these parties racist isn't putting

00:02:56.340 people off voting for them and vocally supporting them.

00:02:58.860 So it's sort of backfiring a little bit.

00:03:01.180 But it also backfires for the right as well, because we think that someone who gets called

00:03:07.860 racist every day makes them sort of our guy, just like, yes, this person must be on our

00:03:12.900 side because the left's giving them a hard time.

00:03:14.680 And that's not necessarily true, because both Trump and Farage in Britain get this in abundance

00:03:20.900 and pretty much Farage is a Thatcherite neoliberal.

00:03:25.300 No one really looks at Margaret Thatcher and says, you know what her legacy is?

00:03:29.120 It was racism.

00:03:30.360 Well, very few people anyway.

00:03:32.460 He's not really breaking out of the paradigm and it's pretty standard, colourblind, meritocratic

00:03:38.560 stuff.

00:03:39.480 Whereas Trump...

00:03:40.580 A lot of normies don't know that though, because a lot of normies do perceive the world

00:03:46.580 through a mainstream media lens.

00:03:48.800 On last Friday after I got back home, I went to the pub to meet up with a mate and we were

00:03:53.180 talking to some guy, half Irish, half English, who, as he was leaving the table, he was very

00:03:59.200 drunk, he started screeching about how, you know, like, because somebody brought up Remembrance

00:04:04.360 Day, he started screeching about how, oh, you're not allowed to support Remembrance Day

00:04:09.420 or remember all of those people who died to fight fascism when fascism's rising in the UK.

00:04:14.100 If you're going to go and vote for Nigel Farage, you should go and kill yourself.

00:04:17.820 And I was not enough pints down and had a banging headache, so I did not want to start

00:04:23.020 an argument over it, but I was just, like, facepalming, going, please go away.

00:04:27.020 He was on his way out at the time he started screeching about it anyway, so I was like,

00:04:31.220 just get out.

00:04:32.840 It's very prevalent, isn't it?

00:04:34.380 So, normies do still perceive the world through this lens.

00:04:38.240 But it's not really true, is it?

00:04:40.280 Objectively, if you look at the policies and you look at the actual evidence, rather than

00:04:44.400 the hearsay and what, you know, is said in the media, which are the, you know, two best

00:04:49.400 ways to control people is low information, fast-paced sort of tolerance.

00:04:55.320 Low information saturation.

00:04:56.260 Exactly.

00:04:56.560 I mean, this guy was not the most intelligent person that I've ever met.

00:04:59.600 Normally a nice guy, but...

00:05:01.560 And Donald Trump, to pivot as a sort of parallel, is basically a 1990s New York Democrat, you

00:05:09.820 know.

00:05:10.380 A lot of his policies are similar to that of Bill Clinton.

00:05:13.520 You know, Barack Obama did more deportations than Trump, although, of course, they do face

00:05:17.660 different situations as a sort of caveat.

00:05:19.600 They counted differently.

00:05:20.900 They also counted differently.

00:05:21.600 Everybody turned away at the border as a deportation under Obama.

00:05:25.040 Which is sort of cheating a little bit.

00:05:27.140 Yes.

00:05:27.520 But it's still fair to say that lots of people are disappointed at the rate of deportation.

00:05:32.420 Yes.

00:05:32.600 And also, the U-turn on H-1Bs and bringing in more legal migration, these sorts of things.

00:05:39.060 To that, they'll point to the lack of border crossings since Trump came in office, which

00:05:44.180 is fair.

00:05:45.160 But I think we have to accept, easily reversible by the next administration, if you get a Democrat

00:05:51.980 in, who's just going to open the floodgates again, and if you are not deporting the 10

00:05:56.360 million plus illegals who are already in the country, at a rate that is going to reverse

00:06:01.320 their entry into the country, then you're not even making a dent.

00:06:05.020 Because all of those illegals are going to have children, and you're going to face the 1.00

00:06:07.660 same birth rate problems that everywhere else in the West is experiencing.

00:06:11.220 I'm not on the Elon birth rates train, but I do admit and accept, because you have to

00:06:17.680 recognize, if white birth rates are what they are, as opposed to non-white birth rates, that

00:06:23.860 is where, even with closed borders, the demographic change is going to happen.

00:06:28.320 Yes.

00:06:29.300 Yeah.

00:06:30.180 And I think that there are lots of other things as well that are points of concern, but just

00:06:34.860 because the Democrats would be worse doesn't mean that you should just be perfectly happy

00:06:38.340 with the alternative.

00:06:39.540 You can still have expectations and hold people you otherwise support to account, and I think

00:06:45.520 that that's fair.

00:06:46.280 But people don't necessarily do that, and it's a shame, because, and I think that this

00:06:50.500 is sort of playing a part in it, by calling both of them, you know, racist and fascist.

00:06:56.240 It doesn't really defame their reputations anymore.

00:06:59.320 If anything, it makes them more popular with their base, because it legitimizes them as an

00:07:03.500 authority by attacking them, doesn't it?

00:07:05.660 And, you know, the worst consequence is that it contains the genuine right-wing movements,

00:07:12.780 because people think they're much more radical than they really are.

00:07:16.220 Like Trump and Farage, not really that radical in the grand scheme of things.

00:07:20.120 Perfect example, Maloney. 0.98

00:07:21.540 Yep, exactly.

00:07:22.200 The rise of fascism in Italy all over again, and people got really hyped up for it, because

00:07:28.100 they're saying, if she's that bad, she must be willing to make the difficult decisions

00:07:32.240 that are going to turn Italy's situation around.

00:07:34.760 She gets in, what do you get?

00:07:37.100 More Blairite neoliberal.

00:07:39.180 Yeah, exactly.

00:07:39.660 Which is basically a continuation of Thatcherite neoliberalism, anyway.

00:07:42.620 And that's what I see, these sorts of public accusations of, oh, these people are racist.

00:07:47.720 I'm going to use examples from Farage, because there's been a recent story that I find interesting.

00:07:52.300 But it could apply just as much to Maloney, or Trump, or any political leader that is described

00:07:58.580 as, you know, a controversial right-winger, when actually the reality is they're not actually

00:08:02.700 that controversial.

00:08:03.620 And all of these accusations actually serve to legitimize them to their own base, when

00:08:11.900 perhaps people could afford to be a little bit more critical towards these people, because

00:08:15.680 they do deserve it.

00:08:17.240 And you shouldn't just take people for granted and be a cheerleader for them.

00:08:20.960 You can drag these leaders to the right if you employ the right strategy.

00:08:27.100 So here's a recent example from only a month ago.

00:08:29.520 So Shibana Mahmood, a Pakistani lady who currently occupies the position of Home Secretary, called

00:08:36.880 Nigel Farage worse than racist over dog-whistle politics.

00:08:41.740 She's claiming that he's not actually a virtually racist, but he dog-whistles, which makes him

00:08:45.960 worse.

00:08:47.140 So we'd be the dogs in this case?

00:08:49.660 I guess so.

00:08:50.600 Right.

00:08:50.800 And we pick up on it.

00:08:51.600 But except for the fact that many people on the right are actually critical of Farage

00:08:55.620 for not being right-wing enough.

00:08:57.620 Yes.

00:08:57.760 And so I don't understand what these dog-whistles are.

00:09:01.300 In fact, many of the people who they're worried about are critical of him for not being radical

00:09:07.520 enough.

00:09:08.280 So what is the dog-whistle?

00:09:09.940 This only serves to legitimize the notion that he is radical and makes people support him

00:09:15.300 from the right.

00:09:16.840 And this is the one that I think is perhaps the most egregious.

00:09:21.920 So this is a story about smoke coming out of his mouth because he said something that

00:09:29.620 is that on fire.

00:09:31.780 They're just making him look cool.

00:09:34.200 Deeply shocking, Nigel Farage faces fresh claims of racism and anti-Semitism at school.

00:09:39.000 When was Nigel Farage in school?

00:09:40.600 I mean, he's 70?

00:09:43.340 I think it was in the early 80s, maybe the late 70s.

00:09:48.020 And lots of these claims are coming from when he was like 13.

00:09:51.820 Ah.

00:09:52.480 Which is interesting.

00:09:54.660 I'm going to read some of this because it's funny how they frame him.

00:09:58.880 Like, they make him just sound like a schoolboy, even from sort of our era, Harry, where he's

00:10:05.400 just saying controversial things to wind people up.

00:10:07.720 Well, you would have been at the right age.

00:10:10.960 You're only a little bit older than me.

00:10:14.260 Do you remember Sycopedia?

00:10:16.140 Yeah, of course.

00:10:16.860 Yeah, okay.

00:10:17.460 Everybody who's around our age should remember Sycopedia.

00:10:20.380 It's exactly what it sounds like.

00:10:21.580 It was an encyclopedia of, like, really terrible, unfunny jokes, but they were as offensive and

00:10:28.820 disgusting as possible.

00:10:30.580 And me and my friends on the school grounds during breaks would take turns looking through

00:10:35.460 and finding the most gross-out jokes possible to tell, or offensive jokes as possible to

00:10:40.720 tell one another.

00:10:41.540 That's what schoolboys do.

00:10:43.520 Because at the time, it's funny.

00:10:45.920 So anyone who's had normal schooling, particularly if they were, you know, once a boy, and I don't

00:10:52.120 mean that in the modern sense, I mean they have grown up to be a man, will understand that

00:10:57.320 this is how schools sort of work, even if lots of this is true.

00:11:01.080 And we're also relying on the account of a couple of people remembering something from,

00:11:06.500 what, 50 years ago?

00:11:08.300 So it's just ridiculous.

00:11:10.120 So all his years in UKIP, all his years in frontline politics, this was not an issue.

00:11:16.420 It wasn't an issue in the Brexit debate.

00:11:18.060 And then all of a sudden, when he's on the cusp of being prime minister, all of a sudden

00:11:21.640 it's just like, oh, it comes back to me.

00:11:24.280 Interesting.

00:11:25.180 Modern memory drugs or something like that?

00:11:26.940 I don't understand it.

00:11:28.320 But okay.

00:11:29.880 Yeah, the latest revelations come from someone called Peter Eted-Gui.

00:11:35.540 Eted-Gui, I don't know.

00:11:37.380 And he says, he would sidle up to me and growl, Hitler was right. 1.00

00:11:41.420 Or gas them, sometimes adding a long hiss to simulate the sound of the gas showers.

00:11:47.340 If this even is true, right?

00:11:48.960 If this guy was acting super triggered and getting really upset at it, he's just going

00:11:54.580 to do that more.

00:11:55.420 You're going to find worse and worse ways.

00:11:57.860 Anyone that's been to school knows that if you react by going, oh, no, you can't say

00:12:02.620 that.

00:12:03.160 That's terrible.

00:12:04.100 Oh, no, I'm so offended.

00:12:06.220 In a school, to school children, what you're going to do is invite more of it.

00:12:10.980 And you're going to make yourself more of a target.

00:12:12.400 And you're going to earn more of it.

00:12:14.500 Because you're being a little bitch. 1.00

00:12:16.800 What he said.

00:12:17.640 And apparently, Eted-Gui, 61, is a BAFTA and Emmy-winning director and producer whose

00:12:24.720 credits include Kinky Boots and McQueen and Super Slash Man.

00:12:29.460 Sounds terrible.

00:12:31.000 But anyway, back then he was a 13-year-old boy at a loss as how to handle what he described

00:12:36.580 as a sudden and inexplicable intrusion of anti-Semitism into his life.

00:12:41.800 I like how they're talking about bantering between 13...

00:12:44.440 He's reliving the trauma, is he?

00:12:45.400 13-year-olds being edgy to one another and being a bit mean.

00:12:51.600 Don't feed the trolls.

00:12:53.100 Nobody ever learned this.

00:12:54.740 I know.

00:12:55.480 It's so silly.

00:12:57.060 But all this is...

00:12:57.740 As if this even is true.

00:12:58.860 But in the current political landscape, all this does is make people think, oh, 13-year-old

00:13:05.480 Faraj was a bit of a laugh, wasn't he? 0.98

00:13:08.200 You know, sidling up to people and just saying the worst thing he could possibly do.

00:13:14.020 And then hissing at...

00:13:15.480 I can admit to doing that sort of thing to people all of the time in school.

00:13:19.880 In Lebanon, in a diverse society, your only friends were people who you could make nasty, 1.00

00:13:26.800 obscene jokes with about their religious background.

00:13:30.760 And if you crossed that barrier, you were friends.

00:13:34.220 And you could joke about each other's religions and make fun of each other and that was it.

00:13:37.940 But I have no idea about British schoolboy culture.

00:13:41.860 It's very much similar, except it's just more general just abuse.

00:13:46.020 Yeah, fair enough.

00:13:46.520 It's not as sectarian unless you're maybe in Scotland.

00:13:48.780 So basically you're normal boys.

00:13:51.040 Yes.

00:13:53.100 This...

00:13:54.020 I have no idea whether or not this is true.

00:13:56.580 I don't have any reason to believe it now.

00:13:59.480 But okay, somebody said something 50 years ago.

00:14:02.820 Mm-hmm.

00:14:03.760 Moving on.

00:14:04.760 I know.

00:14:05.040 It's pretty desperate, isn't it?

00:14:06.360 And it carries on to say,

00:14:08.040 in recent weeks, the Guardian has heard allegations from more than a dozen school contemporaries of Farage

00:14:13.440 who recount incidents of deeply offensive behavior throughout his teenage years.

00:14:18.120 Okay.

00:14:18.780 This is so silly, isn't it?

00:14:20.360 Because not only are they sort of making him out to normal people as he was once a schoolboy

00:14:27.800 who did offensive things that, you know, there weren't any Jewish people in my school.

00:14:33.740 So, you know, I couldn't have possibly done this.

00:14:35.880 But there are many equivalents of things that I did that were edgy.

00:14:40.660 And at the time, no one really batted an eye.

00:14:43.520 I don't think anyone's going to come out and speak to the Guardian and say,

00:14:45.640 Josh was, you know, teasing me for my various heritages or something.

00:14:49.740 Are you running for Parliament?

00:14:51.340 No.

00:14:52.020 Oh, okay.

00:14:53.620 It's funny that it comes out then, isn't it?

00:14:55.720 Yes.

00:14:55.940 I'm happy to sit on it until it's the most opportune moment.

00:14:59.220 It is clearly weaponized, right?

00:15:01.220 Whatever this is true or false, this is clearly weaponized.

00:15:04.680 I'm sorry, but I can see what you mean as well, Josh,

00:15:07.080 because this is very clearly could be aimed at people like us

00:15:12.660 to try and rehabilitate Farage as a bit of a laugh,

00:15:16.340 someone who had a great time in school,

00:15:18.620 somebody who was known for being a bit of a leader.

00:15:21.540 He wasn't afraid to go there and make jokes that other people wouldn't.

00:15:25.080 And there's absolutely an element to this whole story,

00:15:29.040 especially at a time when Zoomers are starting to invert the boomer morality, 0.89

00:15:34.040 that this could be an attempt to try and win people over.

00:15:37.600 Now, that might be conspiratorial thinking 4D chess.

00:15:41.340 I don't think it's necessarily deliberate,

00:15:42.840 but it's going to have that effect, I think.

00:15:45.360 Whether it's deliberate or not, it's still going to have that effect.

00:15:48.160 And I think it isn't deliberate in this case.

00:15:50.000 I think it is the Guardian, you know, having a little tantrum.

00:15:52.980 And the funny thing is that this happened all the way back in 2013.

00:15:56.600 There was another school day's letter.

00:15:58.880 And this time they were trying to call him a fascist instead of a racist.

00:16:03.300 And it's talking about he was recommended to be a prefect, basically,

00:16:07.760 to give you the TLDR.

00:16:09.560 And to read a little bit of it, I'm going to scroll down.

00:16:13.520 It says,

00:16:13.940 The letter says when one teacher said Farage was a fascist,

00:16:17.280 but that was no reason why he would not make a good prefect,

00:16:20.040 which I thought was a funny line in and of itself.

00:16:22.980 He's an ideal candidate.

00:16:24.360 There was a considerable reaction from colleagues.

00:16:27.560 It's a bit weird to call a school child a fascist anyway, isn't it?

00:16:31.140 Isn't it really weird to just be that extreme?

00:16:34.820 I know.

00:16:35.800 And then the funny thing is,

00:16:37.460 it carries on to say further on down the line,

00:16:40.680 it talks about him, you know,

00:16:42.100 getting a group of boys to march for a small town,

00:16:44.920 singing Hitler Youth songs, apparently.

00:16:47.020 Which just sounds like a bit of a troll.

00:16:51.980 I don't actually think Nigel Farage is a national socialist,

00:16:55.840 and nor does pretty much anyone.

00:16:57.740 I mean, on GB News the other day,

00:16:59.380 he was fantasizing about if we'd just basically gone in

00:17:02.040 after the First World War and genocided the Germans 0.96

00:17:04.620 to avoid the Second World War.

00:17:07.020 So he's about as far from being a national socialist as possible.

00:17:10.460 I would say so.

00:17:10.960 Even despite his German wife. 0.95

00:17:13.140 So this part I found the most funny.

00:17:14.940 Terry Walsh, who was the deputy master at Dulwich,

00:17:17.100 the school he was at, i.e. deputy head,

00:17:19.080 says Farage was well known for provoking people,

00:17:21.460 especially left-wing English teachers

00:17:23.040 who had no sense of humour.

00:17:25.980 The former master of Dulwich,

00:17:28.160 the man who appointed Farage and received Chloe Deakin's letter,

00:17:31.220 says he has no memory of the meeting or the letter,

00:17:33.580 but he agrees with his former deputy.

00:17:36.160 It was naughtiness, not racism.

00:17:38.300 I didn't probe too closely into that naughtiness.

00:17:41.100 But the staff were fed up with his cheekiness and rudeness.

00:17:43.400 They wanted me to expel him, but I saw his potential,

00:17:45.980 made him a prefect, and I was proved right.

00:17:48.200 And then it carries on to say,

00:17:49.360 but several Dulwich old boys have told me

00:17:51.460 they recall Farage making racist remarks as a pupil

00:17:54.100 and voicing support for right-wing groups,

00:17:56.520 though none have been willing to say so publicly.

00:17:58.980 It's interesting, isn't it?

00:18:00.700 It's just silly.

00:18:01.940 This is just the same sort of thing that they're employing.

00:18:05.520 It's not going to work.

00:18:06.700 And I would also like to point out this,

00:18:10.280 that his deputy leader, Richard Tice,

00:18:13.940 was meeting people in Israel.

00:18:16.840 So I don't know about these accusations of anti-Semitism.

00:18:20.400 Confirming that we at Reform Party UK

00:18:23.060 stand strong with Israel

00:18:24.280 and look forward to working closely together

00:18:26.160 after we win the next general election.

00:18:28.040 And this is a sentiment that Farage himself

00:18:30.320 has echoed many times.

00:18:32.260 And yeah, Nigel Farage denies the Gaza genocide

00:18:36.120 and backs weapons exports to Israel.

00:18:38.320 I don't know.

00:18:39.200 These don't seem like the actions of someone

00:18:41.360 who's truly anti-Semitic to me.

00:18:43.920 Maybe he's just playing the long game.

00:18:45.580 He's going to stab old Nettie in the back. 1.00

00:18:48.280 Who knows?

00:18:49.720 And then what's happened here is

00:18:52.540 obviously the Labour Party have seen an opportunity,

00:18:56.540 this is a recent story again now,

00:18:59.460 from just yesterday,

00:19:01.940 where the number 10, i.e. Keir Starmer and his government,

00:19:04.840 is calling on Farage to urgently address

00:19:06.640 the disturbing allegations of past racist behaviour

00:19:09.360 when he was 13.

00:19:12.080 Really?

00:19:13.560 I mean, everything that I've done in the...

00:19:15.160 I mean...

00:19:16.760 Everybody has some things,

00:19:18.500 some skeletons in their closets.

00:19:19.920 If they have to go this far back,

00:19:21.920 my goodness.

00:19:23.060 Yeah.

00:19:23.840 This is really desperate.

00:19:24.720 I mean, if I went back to my school days,

00:19:27.120 I'd have much worse things than this.

00:19:29.400 Putting people headfirst in bins and, you know...

00:19:32.280 Oh, you went headfirst.

00:19:33.460 That's pretty brutal.

00:19:34.580 I know.

00:19:35.700 I was...

00:19:36.460 That was...

00:19:37.180 That's going pretty far, actually.

00:19:38.420 That's pretty mean.

00:19:39.540 Yeah.

00:19:40.540 I mean, it's all meant in good fun.

00:19:41.900 We had a rotation.

00:19:44.360 The way to effectively bully

00:19:46.540 is not to pick on any one person too much

00:19:48.240 because then it becomes actually mean-spirited and nasty.

00:19:50.700 You pick on people in a rotation

00:19:53.020 and you also do it to your friends

00:19:54.260 and you also accept and be a good sport when it's you.

00:19:56.780 Yes.

00:19:57.060 You know, what goes around comes around

00:19:58.340 and you sort of accept the cycle.

00:20:00.860 That's the way you should view it.

00:20:02.020 That's the healthy way of viewing it.

00:20:04.500 But yes, they're obviously trying to jump on this

00:20:06.720 and try...

00:20:07.480 And all this is doing is legitimising him

00:20:09.520 as this really bad man.

00:20:12.420 If you vote for him, he's going to be bad.

00:20:14.080 He's going to deport every foreign person.

00:20:16.360 All of you people across the country

00:20:17.860 who support mass deportations,

00:20:19.860 oh, look at how evil and racist Nigel Farage is.

00:20:22.700 I bet he actually would do mass deportations.

00:20:25.400 Don't want to vote for him, do you?

00:20:27.580 The Stephen Edgington interview

00:20:29.000 where he says it's a political impossibility

00:20:30.700 and although he's been a bit more willing

00:20:32.600 to agree to stuff recently,

00:20:34.260 talking about the Boris wave

00:20:35.440 and how they need to reverse it,

00:20:37.280 I don't know how I feel about believing that necessarily.

00:20:41.980 I'll believe it when I see it.

00:20:43.300 It comes across like political calculation.

00:20:46.140 It does.

00:20:46.940 And in the wake of the Conservative Party betrayal,

00:20:49.640 I don't think believing any politician at their word,

00:20:53.140 even if they're proven to be trustworthy,

00:20:54.840 is a good idea.

00:20:56.880 Josh, you're suggesting something

00:20:58.200 absolutely revolutionary here,

00:20:59.520 which is that we should judge people

00:21:00.640 based on their actions.

00:21:01.860 Yes, rather than their words.

00:21:03.180 Yes, that's absolutely incredible.

00:21:05.360 I've never heard of that before.

00:21:07.160 But unfortunately, most of politics

00:21:08.840 is judging people on their words

00:21:10.080 and not their actions.

00:21:10.860 Because most people don't have to actually

00:21:12.540 look at their actions.

00:21:13.420 It's democracy for you.

00:21:13.820 Yeah.

00:21:14.620 It is a bit of a flaw of democracy, isn't it?

00:21:16.580 And the Labour Party was, you know,

00:21:19.140 throwing the baby out the pram.

00:21:20.960 These are deeply disturbing allegations

00:21:22.620 Nigel Farage must urgently explain himself.

00:21:25.600 And as Nick Dixon rightfully points out,

00:21:28.300 this rubbish was already in Crick's biography.

00:21:30.440 It's absolutely not urgent.

00:21:31.520 So this is a biography from ages ago,

00:21:33.300 which he himself posted about only yesterday,

00:21:36.400 saying today's Guardian feature on Farage

00:21:38.380 is anti-Semitism and racism at Dulwich.

00:21:40.540 It's largely based on my book,

00:21:42.060 which came out ages ago.

00:21:45.060 So it's also old news as well.

00:21:47.840 So it's all a bit absurd.

00:21:50.160 And here's the sort of cookie cutter leftist response.

00:21:53.820 Remarkable thing about this story

00:21:55.020 is not that Farage is the repulsive,

00:21:56.980 open racist he is, 0.75

00:21:58.500 but that so much energy is spent

00:22:00.140 on debating this fact and saying,

00:22:01.880 well, some people didn't have

00:22:03.200 racist experience with him,

00:22:04.720 so it's all very complicated.

00:22:06.080 Yeah, it doesn't matter to them.

00:22:08.480 They're going to think what they think regardless.

00:22:10.200 They don't need any actual tangible evidence.

00:22:13.040 And even if, you know, it is true,

00:22:16.140 is it really fair to hold him accountable

00:22:17.920 for when he's 13?

00:22:18.960 Also, who cares?

00:22:20.400 Exactly, exactly.

00:22:21.980 He made some jokes.

00:22:23.920 I learned some words when I was 13,

00:22:26.480 and if people were filming me

00:22:28.040 when I was learning those words,

00:22:29.960 oh, they'd have a field day as well.

00:22:31.980 And one of the final things is

00:22:36.040 Keir Starmer clearly has been briefed

00:22:39.280 that this isn't a good idea,

00:22:40.560 that saying Farage is racist

00:22:42.460 only legitimizes him.

00:22:45.460 Someone must understand the read of the country

00:22:47.240 that when in 2024

00:22:48.500 the entire country erupted in riots

00:22:50.820 against immigration,

00:22:52.720 maybe that's free PR.

00:22:54.920 Maybe saying Farage is a racist

00:22:56.660 and he's going to get rid of everyone.

00:22:58.120 And people are like, yes, I like this.

00:22:59.920 And I'm not just, you know,

00:23:01.960 saying that, you know, hyperbolically.

00:23:05.700 There's a recent poll from the 1st of October,

00:23:08.320 so not too long ago,

00:23:09.700 asking about,

00:23:10.880 do Britons think Reform UK are racist?

00:23:13.620 And even some Reform supporters were like,

00:23:17.540 yes, we are.

00:23:20.040 I mean...

00:23:21.120 4% of them.

00:23:23.840 Yes.

00:23:24.720 8% of them are unsure.

00:23:26.940 I don't know.

00:23:27.960 Well, sometimes I am,

00:23:29.440 but not everyone, you know.

00:23:30.760 It depends on the group in question.

00:23:32.260 We let ourselves have a cheeky bit of racism

00:23:34.540 on the weekends.

00:23:37.640 The thing is,

00:23:39.520 if what you're saying here,

00:23:41.620 the most important thing about it,

00:23:42.780 is really about reading the room.

00:23:44.740 As in,

00:23:46.160 Britain is now at a stage

00:23:47.440 where saying somebody is racist

00:23:50.060 makes them more popular

00:23:51.220 because the experiment of multiracialism,

00:23:56.180 multiculturalism

00:23:57.140 has failed so spectacularly

00:23:59.200 and has really gone so badly

00:24:01.560 for the native British

00:24:02.520 that now they're willing to say,

00:24:05.000 actually, yes,

00:24:06.040 I want to chuck out the baby

00:24:07.060 with the bathwater.

00:24:08.860 I want to be racist,

00:24:10.080 and that's fine,

00:24:10.700 and that will make me support

00:24:11.680 somebody even more.

00:24:13.080 And that's going to happen

00:24:13.660 more and more as this goes on.

00:24:14.740 And that's going to happen

00:24:15.180 more and more.

00:24:15.860 And then you see people like

00:24:16.860 the Gaza MPs

00:24:19.040 and their associates saying,

00:24:20.180 no, we're just as British as you are.

00:24:22.540 And then the next day,

00:24:23.500 no, I'm Pakistani.

00:24:24.500 And then the day after,

00:24:25.480 well, there's going to be a war.

00:24:26.300 No, I'm not going to fight for Britain.

00:24:28.540 Okay.

00:24:31.060 This is completely devalued currency,

00:24:34.040 exactly as you said

00:24:34.900 at the beginning.

00:24:36.160 And it's so entirely pointless

00:24:37.920 to follow this line of argument

00:24:40.000 or even to be interested in it

00:24:42.160 when we know

00:24:43.600 that every single policy

00:24:44.700 under DEI

00:24:45.760 is explicitly targeting

00:24:47.740 white people.

00:24:50.200 And so,

00:24:51.200 it seems to me

00:24:52.100 that the conclusion is

00:24:52.820 everybody is racist

00:24:54.320 and always was.

00:24:56.000 And always will be as well.

00:24:57.140 And always will be

00:24:57.980 because everybody's going to have

00:24:59.720 an in-group preference

00:25:00.620 unless they're an insane leftist.

00:25:02.520 Well, it's just denying

00:25:03.360 an aspect of human nature

00:25:04.500 that is...

00:25:05.420 Because our in-group preferences

00:25:07.260 are tied to basically

00:25:08.780 our preference for

00:25:09.660 our own flesh and blood

00:25:10.860 and family.

00:25:11.880 And, you know...

00:25:12.600 And because there are visual cues

00:25:13.860 that tell you

00:25:14.580 if somebody is your

00:25:15.720 flesh and blood

00:25:16.620 and family or isn't,

00:25:18.340 it sort of leads

00:25:19.720 to that conclusion.

00:25:20.540 So the whole discussion

00:25:21.760 about race and racism

00:25:22.720 is so entirely pointless

00:25:24.080 and empty.

00:25:25.100 I just don't want

00:25:26.840 to be involved in it.

00:25:27.640 I don't care.

00:25:28.320 It's as simple as

00:25:29.120 do they look more like me

00:25:30.540 than not?

00:25:31.600 And even on juries

00:25:32.680 in America,

00:25:33.680 they apply this rule

00:25:35.120 that if there is

00:25:36.000 a member of the jury

00:25:37.040 who looks

00:25:38.540 a lot like

00:25:39.800 the defendant

00:25:40.460 who's going to be,

00:25:41.740 you know,

00:25:42.000 have the trial against them,

00:25:43.160 they will take them

00:25:44.320 off of the jury

00:25:45.100 because...

00:25:46.300 They must have

00:25:46.660 forgot about that

00:25:47.280 with the Derek Chauvin

00:25:48.120 trial, didn't they?

00:25:48.740 Yeah, they must have.

00:25:49.800 But because

00:25:50.600 they might see

00:25:51.620 themselves in that person.

00:25:53.520 It's as simple

00:25:54.680 as that.

00:25:55.800 It's how OJ

00:25:56.340 was acquitted.

00:25:58.480 It's very much

00:25:59.280 how OJ Simpson

00:25:59.900 was acquitted.

00:26:00.660 Blacks on juries 1.00

00:26:01.340 always say

00:26:02.300 a black person

00:26:02.820 is innocent

00:26:03.220 even if they're not.

00:26:04.680 Yes.

00:26:05.020 Or like the Derek Chauvin

00:26:05.940 trial when there was

00:26:06.600 an actual BLM activist.

00:26:08.220 Yeah, exactly.

00:26:09.060 But it's okay

00:26:09.520 when they do it.

00:26:10.060 But I think it's interesting here

00:26:11.640 that basically

00:26:12.120 the people who

00:26:13.200 are trying to frame

00:26:15.340 themselves as

00:26:16.000 opponents to the right,

00:26:17.840 you know,

00:26:18.100 of course the Conservatives

00:26:18.920 pretend they're right wing

00:26:19.940 and so do their supporters,

00:26:21.340 but they're not really.

00:26:22.220 They're of the left

00:26:22.780 just like the rest,

00:26:23.740 but they don't think they are.

00:26:25.040 So you can see this split

00:26:26.120 where in the case

00:26:27.960 of the Greens,

00:26:28.640 Labour,

00:26:29.140 and the Lib Dems,

00:26:30.000 the majority think

00:26:30.660 they are racist, 0.77

00:26:31.680 whereas the Conservatives

00:26:32.860 in reform

00:26:33.360 generally think they're not.

00:26:35.720 I think you shouldn't care.

00:26:37.660 It shouldn't be a big deal.

00:26:38.740 Or just say,

00:26:40.140 actually,

00:26:40.500 reform's policies are,

00:26:41.420 yes,

00:26:41.740 and I'm going to vote for them.

00:26:44.000 You know,

00:26:44.640 if you got to lose...

00:26:45.080 What by racist do you mean

00:26:45.980 they favour the native British?

00:26:47.760 You would be insane

00:26:48.460 not to vote for them.

00:26:49.660 Yeah, of course.

00:26:51.140 It's silly, isn't it?

00:26:51.840 And that is really now

00:26:53.120 the definition of racist.

00:26:54.100 Do you favour your own group

00:26:55.080 over others?

00:26:55.680 Well, everybody else does.

00:26:57.060 What are you going to do about it?

00:26:58.760 Be normal.

00:26:59.560 Well, it's like the

00:27:00.440 prisoner's dilemma, isn't it?

00:27:01.580 Where if you don't

00:27:03.720 stick up for yourself...

00:27:04.420 It really is like

00:27:05.000 the prisoner's dilemma.

00:27:05.680 If you don't stick up for yourself,

00:27:07.340 you're just putting yourself

00:27:08.780 on the chopping block

00:27:09.780 for someone to betray you.

00:27:11.160 Yes.

00:27:12.220 Yes.

00:27:12.920 It's ridiculous.

00:27:14.020 It's irrational.

00:27:15.140 It doesn't make any sense.

00:27:16.240 But there are lots of other polls

00:27:17.600 where it's just like,

00:27:18.460 do you think the party

00:27:19.380 or do you think

00:27:20.020 Keir Starmer thinks they are?

00:27:21.500 Do you think

00:27:22.160 Keir Starmer thinks

00:27:23.480 reform voters are racist?

00:27:25.280 So they're asking

00:27:26.440 random people on YouGov

00:27:28.880 to psychically analyse

00:27:30.820 what they think

00:27:31.840 Keir Starmer might think.

00:27:32.680 The funny thing is

00:27:33.300 Keir Starmer publicly said

00:27:34.420 he's not.

00:27:36.300 He just said that

00:27:37.200 the closest you could say

00:27:38.740 is that the immigration

00:27:39.960 policies were.

00:27:41.580 What a worthless

00:27:42.860 toll to get a perception

00:27:45.220 of what people think

00:27:46.720 is Keir Starmer's perception.

00:27:49.140 But the most interesting

00:27:50.400 tidbit here is this.

00:27:52.620 Generally,

00:27:53.380 most reform voters

00:27:54.500 don't think that

00:27:55.260 the party is racist,

00:27:56.320 but they accept

00:27:57.060 that the left

00:27:57.660 believe that they are.

00:27:58.600 So again,

00:28:01.260 they have an awareness

00:28:03.700 of how they are perceived

00:28:04.720 and that kind of

00:28:06.220 confirms your point

00:28:07.160 that the more

00:28:07.840 they use the term racist

00:28:09.280 the more it is devalued

00:28:10.940 because the people

00:28:12.780 who support

00:28:13.240 the Conservatives

00:28:13.880 and reform here

00:28:14.760 seem to accept

00:28:16.260 that yes,

00:28:17.020 you're going to be

00:28:17.620 called racist

00:28:18.020 no matter what

00:28:18.600 so you might as well

00:28:19.440 live with it

00:28:19.780 and move on.

00:28:20.660 And you know,

00:28:21.460 there's also the argument

00:28:22.400 that well,

00:28:23.000 you may as well

00:28:23.400 embrace it as well.

00:28:24.980 Exactly.

00:28:26.040 Why if you're going

00:28:27.140 to be called racist anyway,

00:28:28.260 why should you moderate

00:28:29.080 your actions?

00:28:29.880 Yes.

00:28:30.480 And that's what I've said

00:28:32.520 about reform

00:28:33.100 the whole time

00:28:33.760 is that they're going

00:28:34.360 to say these things anyway

00:28:35.140 so you may as well

00:28:35.940 be as radical as you like

00:28:37.360 and actually solve

00:28:38.120 the problems, right?

00:28:39.160 Exactly.

00:28:40.680 And that's what the left

00:28:41.920 is unwittingly doing

00:28:43.060 by using this

00:28:44.060 but also, of course,

00:28:45.060 it does backfire

00:28:45.920 for the right as well

00:28:47.060 because it allows people

00:28:49.020 to accept

00:28:49.600 less radical politicians

00:28:52.360 when actually

00:28:53.220 they want radical ones.

00:28:54.860 Yes.

00:28:57.140 All right,

00:28:57.980 we've got a few

00:28:58.680 Rumble Rants

00:28:59.440 and Super Chats

00:29:00.240 if you'd like

00:29:00.660 to read through them.

00:29:01.860 Of course.

00:29:02.700 If I can see them.

00:29:04.380 Jake Taylor says

00:29:05.460 on YouTube

00:29:06.060 for £5,

00:29:07.120 thank you.

00:29:07.840 Keep up the great work,

00:29:08.680 boys.

00:29:09.040 I sometimes see

00:29:09.760 some of you in town

00:29:10.840 but too pussy 1.00

00:29:11.880 to say hello.

00:29:12.780 Well,

00:29:13.200 if you see me

00:29:13.820 you can say hello to me.

00:29:14.680 I'm always happy

00:29:15.140 to say hello to people

00:29:16.420 and it actually,

00:29:17.820 usually everyone's...

00:29:19.180 You'll often find Josh

00:29:19.400 on street corners

00:29:20.340 so if you've got

00:29:21.060 a little change

00:29:21.900 make sure to throw in some.

00:29:23.240 If you've got some coppers

00:29:24.300 pass them my way.

00:29:25.300 But no,

00:29:26.740 I've never had

00:29:28.040 an interaction

00:29:29.420 with someone

00:29:29.900 from the audience

00:29:30.420 that hasn't

00:29:31.280 made my day better

00:29:32.220 so always come

00:29:33.140 and say hello.

00:29:33.680 I'm always happy for it.

00:29:35.500 JM for $20,

00:29:37.160 thank you very much,

00:29:37.960 says,

00:29:38.300 idea,

00:29:38.740 asking migrant advocates

00:29:40.140 to legally act

00:29:41.180 as guarantors

00:29:41.800 for migrants

00:29:42.360 and accept civil liabilities

00:29:43.720 for all harms

00:29:44.720 they cause

00:29:45.180 can be collective advocates

00:29:46.940 as a class

00:29:47.860 taking personal responsibility

00:29:50.560 for migrants

00:29:51.320 as a class.

00:29:51.980 I've thought about this before

00:29:53.740 but it's still

00:29:54.320 conceding too much ground

00:29:55.880 I think

00:29:57.040 in that you're still

00:29:58.120 conceding that they

00:29:58.920 should be let in at all

00:29:59.780 I say

00:30:00.280 don't even do that.

00:30:02.220 You're also suggesting

00:30:03.760 that they have the ability

00:30:04.780 to take personal responsibility

00:30:06.320 for the actions

00:30:07.180 of their own groups

00:30:07.900 when the grooming gangs

00:30:09.000 alone should have shown

00:30:09.820 that they won't.

00:30:10.920 Yeah,

00:30:11.360 I mean I like the thinking

00:30:12.640 but I think

00:30:13.760 the realities of the situation

00:30:15.780 will make this impossible.

00:30:16.760 After the second

00:30:18.260 whatever

00:30:19.700 £50,000 fine

00:30:21.240 that somebody has to pay

00:30:22.760 people will sort of say

00:30:24.240 I'm not taking that risk.

00:30:26.600 There is some merit to it

00:30:27.920 but it's too late in the game.

00:30:29.100 Yeah,

00:30:29.360 I'd say so.

00:30:30.660 That's Random Name says

00:30:31.640 blessing my Thursday morning

00:30:33.460 with my favourite eaters

00:30:34.740 of the Lotus.

00:30:35.920 Also the real reason

00:30:36.700 Harry was annoyed

00:30:37.440 by the Irish guy

00:30:38.320 is because he said to him

00:30:39.500 aren't you a bit tall

00:30:40.640 for a leprechaun?

00:30:41.920 That's true,

00:30:42.620 this is true.

00:30:43.620 You were there clearly

00:30:44.680 you were fly on the wall

00:30:45.900 exactly how it went down.

00:30:48.560 All safe,

00:30:48.860 thank you very much.

00:30:50.220 Anyway,

00:30:51.060 so

00:30:51.420 I've spoken about AI

00:30:53.320 a bit recently

00:30:54.460 I was going over

00:30:55.520 in a segment

00:30:56.080 a while back

00:30:56.900 about the anti-white bias

00:30:58.840 of AI

00:30:59.720 how a lot of these programs

00:31:01.620 the LLMs

00:31:02.540 other than Grok 0.78

00:31:03.780 specifically

00:31:04.520 have an anti-white bias

00:31:06.300 built into them

00:31:07.760 but AI is becoming

00:31:09.480 something which is

00:31:10.520 getting an air of inevitability

00:31:12.200 about it.

00:31:13.180 We're being told

00:31:13.800 constantly

00:31:14.520 that AI

00:31:15.520 is the future

00:31:16.620 AI is the thing

00:31:17.600 that's going to

00:31:18.220 drag us

00:31:19.020 kicking and streaming

00:31:19.860 into a future

00:31:21.360 and I want to examine

00:31:22.960 the vision

00:31:23.960 of that future

00:31:24.940 as being presented

00:31:25.900 by high-level

00:31:27.320 technocrats

00:31:28.460 because if there is

00:31:29.420 one person

00:31:30.100 I do not trust

00:31:31.440 to have the best

00:31:32.500 interests of

00:31:33.540 humanity

00:31:34.460 or my people

00:31:35.840 in mind

00:31:36.760 it is

00:31:37.320 technocrats

00:31:38.260 who treat everything

00:31:39.160 as if it is

00:31:39.920 a scientific

00:31:40.780 computer-controlled

00:31:41.960 experiment

00:31:42.760 where you can

00:31:43.720 just shift

00:31:44.260 widgets around

00:31:45.280 and adjust

00:31:46.760 conclusions

00:31:47.560 to your liking

00:31:48.740 what you're

00:31:49.160 describing as

00:31:49.720 materialists

00:31:50.360 yes materialists

00:31:51.600 people would know

00:31:52.340 this is a spiritual

00:31:52.880 conflict

00:31:53.400 what you're describing

00:31:54.240 as materialists

00:31:55.040 yes and that is

00:31:56.180 what we are seeing

00:31:56.960 here

00:31:57.300 this is an image

00:31:58.500 from the recent

00:31:59.940 US-Saudi

00:32:01.380 investment forum

00:32:02.780 where Elon Musk

00:32:04.140 was in attendance

00:32:04.840 alongside

00:32:05.420 as we can see here

00:32:06.400 OpenAI

00:32:07.320 President Greg Brockman

00:32:09.000 and NVIDIA CEO

00:32:10.780 Jensen Huang

00:32:12.160 you can see them

00:32:13.200 here

00:32:13.520 in their

00:32:14.300 suits

00:32:14.960 and

00:32:15.480 dress shoes

00:32:17.000 question mark

00:32:17.960 posing for a photograph

00:32:20.320 and a number of

00:32:21.180 statements were made

00:32:22.120 by Elon Musk

00:32:23.160 at this forum

00:32:24.780 so we can see

00:32:25.740 a few of them

00:32:26.520 here

00:32:27.420 if you go out

00:32:30.640 long enough

00:32:31.000 assuming there's

00:32:31.540 a continued

00:32:31.980 improvement

00:32:32.620 in AI

00:32:34.000 and robotics

00:32:34.560 which seems likely

00:32:35.840 the money

00:32:37.760 will stop

00:32:38.980 being relevant

00:32:39.620 at some point

00:32:40.200 in the future

00:32:40.700 there will still

00:32:43.140 be constraints

00:32:44.400 on power

00:32:45.540 like electricity

00:32:46.780 and mass

00:32:48.160 the fundamental

00:32:49.720 physics elements

00:32:50.680 will still be

00:32:51.700 still be

00:32:52.520 constraints

00:32:53.080 but

00:32:54.360 I think

00:32:55.520 at some point

00:32:56.300 currency

00:32:59.260 becomes irrelevant

00:33:00.140 Jensen

00:33:02.940 any thoughts

00:33:03.520 so

00:33:05.060 you can pause

00:33:06.620 it there

00:33:06.900 yeah

00:33:07.080 my understanding

00:33:08.280 of what he's

00:33:08.920 saying there

00:33:09.480 is not necessarily

00:33:10.460 that this is going

00:33:11.180 to be something

00:33:11.680 that's going

00:33:12.220 to happen

00:33:12.580 in my lifetime

00:33:13.180 but the inevitable

00:33:14.140 conclusion of AI

00:33:15.520 is that it's

00:33:16.440 basically going

00:33:17.120 to manage

00:33:17.700 everything for us

00:33:19.620 to the point

00:33:20.100 where there's

00:33:20.480 going to be

00:33:20.840 no human

00:33:21.440 in charge

00:33:22.020 and therefore

00:33:22.580 the economic

00:33:23.740 system as we

00:33:24.360 know it

00:33:24.660 will break

00:33:25.560 down

00:33:25.920 he's talking

00:33:26.860 about a

00:33:27.480 complete revolution

00:33:28.640 of the way

00:33:29.320 that the societies

00:33:30.740 are structured

00:33:31.380 and according

00:33:32.460 to these kinds

00:33:34.100 of projections

00:33:34.780 that he's bringing

00:33:35.620 up here

00:33:36.120 he's saying

00:33:37.160 in 10 to 20

00:33:37.900 years

00:33:38.420 if he is correct

00:33:40.300 so that is

00:33:41.200 within our

00:33:42.140 lifetimes

00:33:42.820 I do not think

00:33:44.040 that he is

00:33:44.680 correct in this

00:33:45.880 but no I

00:33:46.760 disagree

00:33:47.120 it is a strange

00:33:48.600 vision to be

00:33:49.400 presenting to

00:33:50.560 people in the

00:33:51.620 first place

00:33:52.340 this idea that

00:33:53.140 work will be

00:33:53.640 optional because

00:33:54.180 this sounds an

00:33:55.000 awful lot to

00:33:55.620 me

00:33:56.000 one like

00:33:58.200 bug man

00:33:58.960 mentality and

00:33:59.920 I do think that

00:34:00.760 Elon is king of

00:34:02.000 the bug men

00:34:02.560 sorry he is

00:34:04.040 and I also think

00:34:05.500 that this is kind

00:34:06.260 of a vision of

00:34:07.280 Marx's ideal future

00:34:09.140 sounds a little

00:34:09.660 bit globalist

00:34:10.980 and weff like

00:34:11.760 as well doesn't it

00:34:12.520 what was it

00:34:12.900 the idea of

00:34:13.700 8 hours leisure

00:34:14.620 8 hours work

00:34:15.680 8 hours arts

00:34:17.160 was what the

00:34:18.940 socialist utopians

00:34:20.260 and Marx

00:34:21.520 who I know

00:34:22.200 wasn't a socialist

00:34:22.880 utopian etc

00:34:23.860 put forward as

00:34:25.640 the end goal

00:34:26.540 of a socialist

00:34:27.260 society

00:34:27.700 and the problem

00:34:28.960 with that is

00:34:29.640 it's this idea

00:34:30.420 that if you

00:34:31.100 unshackle people

00:34:32.860 from the chains

00:34:34.220 of abundance

00:34:34.860 sorry from the

00:34:36.560 chains of scarcity

00:34:37.420 and you have

00:34:38.240 super abundance

00:34:39.300 in this sense

00:34:40.300 administered purely

00:34:41.640 by AI

00:34:42.420 that you will

00:34:43.980 have this

00:34:44.540 flourishing of

00:34:45.340 human creativity

00:34:46.260 and that human

00:34:47.560 beings will not 0.85

00:34:48.560 become restless

00:34:49.300 they will not

00:34:50.260 disconnect from

00:34:51.440 all social bonds

00:34:52.600 they will not

00:34:53.720 become lonely

00:34:54.500 and suicidal

00:34:55.320 that instead

00:34:56.160 they will become

00:34:57.060 endlessly creative

00:34:58.780 and do everything

00:35:00.160 that they've always

00:35:00.800 wanted

00:35:01.180 problem with that

00:35:02.280 is we already

00:35:03.040 had that experiment

00:35:04.300 it was called

00:35:05.180 the covid lockdowns

00:35:06.720 from 2020

00:35:07.700 to early 2022

00:35:08.840 most people

00:35:10.680 did they really

00:35:11.500 start pursuing

00:35:12.300 their dreams

00:35:13.140 did they start

00:35:14.640 to pursue

00:35:15.660 those artistic

00:35:16.520 creative endeavours

00:35:17.980 they've been waiting

00:35:18.740 their whole life

00:35:19.440 to get an opportunity

00:35:20.220 for

00:35:20.640 or did they

00:35:22.060 goon

00:35:22.560 play video games

00:35:23.720 and watch netflix

00:35:25.020 and eat takeout

00:35:26.420 and get fat

00:35:27.400 did they indulge

00:35:28.400 in the wally future

00:35:29.820 I would argue

00:35:30.640 that that's the least

00:35:31.720 severe future

00:35:33.080 that's sort of

00:35:33.600 the best case scenario

00:35:34.720 from something like this

00:35:35.960 and I'm taking it

00:35:37.260 on Elon's terms

00:35:38.300 of what he's suggesting

00:35:39.380 but yes please present

00:35:40.420 the more realistic

00:35:41.720 outcomes

00:35:42.380 I think that

00:35:43.300 with the way

00:35:44.400 that human nature

00:35:45.160 is the struggle

00:35:45.860 to survive

00:35:46.680 is part of

00:35:47.820 what gives life

00:35:48.740 meaning in the first

00:35:49.620 place

00:35:49.960 and if you take

00:35:51.580 that away from people

00:35:52.540 they'll feel like

00:35:53.140 their life is meaningless

00:35:54.020 if they've got nothing

00:35:55.140 to strive towards

00:35:56.040 nothing

00:35:56.320 no reason to

00:35:57.600 better themselves

00:35:58.240 and they're just

00:35:59.860 existing to create

00:36:01.320 with endless opportunity

00:36:03.440 what will actually

00:36:04.260 happen is people

00:36:04.940 will be suffocated

00:36:05.880 by that opportunity

00:36:07.380 one option

00:36:08.340 for Alice

00:36:08.860 this is why

00:36:09.980 the bible says

00:36:10.720 that Adam's role

00:36:12.300 is to labor

00:36:13.540 that now

00:36:15.660 you will have

00:36:16.260 to earn your keep

00:36:17.300 by the sweat

00:36:17.940 of your brow

00:36:18.480 that so long

00:36:20.460 as you are on earth

00:36:21.200 you must be working

00:36:22.080 and this is

00:36:24.240 very much

00:36:25.060 a Christian idea 0.77

00:36:25.820 that you must

00:36:26.780 consecrate your work

00:36:27.900 and make your work

00:36:28.660 have value

00:36:29.260 and taking away

00:36:31.300 work from people

00:36:32.360 is in no way

00:36:34.040 going to make them

00:36:34.560 better

00:36:34.780 we saw this

00:36:35.520 with the various

00:36:36.160 experiments on

00:36:37.180 universal basic income

00:36:38.680 which were disastrous

00:36:40.480 across the board

00:36:41.180 they didn't actually

00:36:41.900 help anybody

00:36:42.460 Elon is an advocate

00:36:43.440 for UBI

00:36:44.200 if this future

00:36:45.560 that he's projecting

00:36:46.480 goes forwards

00:36:47.440 he says that

00:36:48.140 well I've got the quotes

00:36:49.240 and I'll go through

00:36:49.980 them in a moment

00:36:50.500 and if it was going

00:36:51.580 to be good for people

00:36:52.820 then the state

00:36:54.300 with the most

00:36:55.000 welfare spending

00:36:56.140 would have the most

00:36:56.880 productive citizenry

00:36:57.840 but everything that we see

00:36:59.500 says that

00:37:00.580 welfare

00:37:01.540 encourages

00:37:02.580 laziness

00:37:03.540 and being indigent

00:37:04.900 it doesn't actually work

00:37:07.120 and there's also

00:37:07.980 another element to this

00:37:08.960 that if AI is able

00:37:11.080 to be

00:37:11.660 you know

00:37:12.820 the thing that's

00:37:13.660 running the economy

00:37:14.560 and there's no human

00:37:15.480 input necessarily needed

00:37:16.600 or very little

00:37:17.440 then who's to say

00:37:19.200 that AI isn't also

00:37:20.500 far exceeding

00:37:21.660 the creativity

00:37:22.180 of human beings

00:37:23.140 making human creative

00:37:24.300 endeavours

00:37:24.680 basically redundant

00:37:25.580 you know

00:37:27.320 not just that

00:37:27.880 I mean for one

00:37:29.060 that's the thing

00:37:29.840 that I always find

00:37:30.700 annoying about people

00:37:31.800 who are kind of

00:37:33.000 proselytising the

00:37:34.160 advances of AI art

00:37:35.660 which is frankly

00:37:36.720 on a personal level

00:37:37.840 I have no interest

00:37:39.480 in consuming

00:37:40.280 or experiencing

00:37:41.540 art that hasn't

00:37:42.380 been created

00:37:43.000 by a human

00:37:43.700 art is an expression

00:37:45.420 of the soul

00:37:46.380 AI robots

00:37:48.520 they do not have

00:37:49.620 souls

00:37:50.060 therefore they have

00:37:51.140 nothing to give for me

00:37:52.340 hear hear

00:37:52.920 but the AI may be able

00:37:55.420 to with the direction

00:37:56.460 of a human being

00:37:57.480 pursue these sorts

00:37:58.780 of things right

00:37:59.480 in a way

00:38:00.120 that might

00:38:02.860 delegitimise

00:38:04.340 human creative

00:38:05.460 endeavours

00:38:05.860 and certainly

00:38:06.280 people will perceive

00:38:07.080 it that way

00:38:07.580 even if it isn't

00:38:08.300 necessarily that way

00:38:09.520 for uncultured types

00:38:11.780 and there is

00:38:12.520 there is the idea

00:38:13.600 of the Greeks

00:38:15.720 which was that

00:38:16.900 leisure

00:38:17.360 the opportunity

00:38:18.500 to be creative

00:38:19.620 is something that

00:38:20.900 really should only

00:38:21.680 be afforded

00:38:22.460 to people who are

00:38:23.300 actually capable

00:38:24.060 of pursuing it

00:38:25.120 and that most

00:38:26.360 other people

00:38:27.140 should be

00:38:29.080 given opportunity

00:38:32.300 to find meaning

00:38:33.220 elsewhere in life

00:38:34.400 there is also

00:38:35.540 an old saying

00:38:36.840 among developers

00:38:37.600 that goes

00:38:38.380 something along

00:38:39.340 the lines of

00:38:39.980 if builders

00:38:41.260 built buildings

00:38:42.260 the way developers

00:38:43.340 wrote code

00:38:44.100 civilization would

00:38:45.020 have been destroyed

00:38:45.560 by the first

00:38:46.100 woodpecker

00:38:46.580 and there is

00:38:49.260 the reality

00:38:49.860 that if you

00:38:50.720 allow machines

00:38:53.060 and code

00:38:53.760 to run

00:38:54.420 your entire

00:38:55.360 civilization

00:38:56.320 and economy

00:38:57.180 well you're

00:38:58.280 just one

00:38:59.000 virus away

00:39:00.180 from being

00:39:00.700 utterly destroyed

00:39:01.440 so this

00:39:04.120 as an aspiration

00:39:05.060 is an insane

00:39:06.920 aspiration

00:39:07.500 and it is not

00:39:08.320 grounded in reality

00:39:09.260 and it is not

00:39:09.960 grounded in humanity

00:39:10.780 and nobody who

00:39:11.880 loves human beings

00:39:12.700 wants them sitting

00:39:13.560 around idly all day

00:39:14.720 you want them to

00:39:16.140 feel that they're

00:39:16.760 productive

00:39:17.880 that they're doing

00:39:18.600 something useful

00:39:19.220 that they're

00:39:19.600 contributing

00:39:20.080 if you don't work

00:39:21.600 you don't plan

00:39:22.000 for the future

00:39:22.540 if you don't

00:39:23.740 plan for the

00:39:24.180 future

00:39:24.420 you're not

00:39:24.860 going to produce

00:39:25.380 anything worthwhile

00:39:26.260 and what he's

00:39:28.300 basically advocating

00:39:29.160 there is a

00:39:29.940 universal nursing

00:39:31.300 home

00:39:31.620 yes

00:39:32.280 and if you've

00:39:32.860 ever seen

00:39:33.280 people in

00:39:33.820 nursing homes

00:39:34.600 it's not

00:39:36.020 great

00:39:36.340 it's really

00:39:37.940 not great

00:39:38.620 but let's

00:39:39.780 carry on

00:39:40.700 on the whole

00:39:41.360 idea of

00:39:42.060 work being

00:39:42.660 optional

00:39:42.960 people have

00:39:43.540 poked fun at

00:39:44.100 this and pointed

00:39:44.680 out that certain

00:39:45.360 parts of the

00:39:45.940 demographics have

00:39:46.860 already figured

00:39:47.440 out that work

00:39:48.060 can be optional

00:39:48.680 so that's an

00:39:50.880 interesting observation

00:39:52.040 one of the best

00:39:53.660 observations though

00:39:54.800 which people have

00:39:55.760 made is that

00:39:56.900 this is completely

00:39:58.560 and utterly

00:39:59.420 contradictory to

00:40:00.740 the way that

00:40:01.440 Elon Musk

00:40:02.120 pursues his own

00:40:03.360 goals with his

00:40:04.680 own companies

00:40:05.640 this idea that

00:40:07.300 you need

00:40:08.240 rising birth rates

00:40:10.340 so that people

00:40:11.840 will have

00:40:13.740 bigger families

00:40:14.940 to keep the

00:40:15.540 economy going

00:40:16.320 but at the same

00:40:17.340 time then AI

00:40:18.440 will replace

00:40:19.240 everything

00:40:19.720 so he's just

00:40:20.580 encouraging people

00:40:21.420 to have

00:40:21.900 children for

00:40:23.240 the sake of

00:40:23.960 it

00:40:24.100 more mouths 0.75

00:40:24.980 to feed

00:40:25.580 for the AI

00:40:26.260 overlords

00:40:26.880 more people

00:40:27.720 to sit around

00:40:28.520 playing video

00:40:29.400 games into

00:40:30.140 their old age

00:40:30.900 pursuing no

00:40:32.280 greater meaning

00:40:32.940 in their own

00:40:33.460 lives

00:40:33.720 very strange

00:40:34.800 and also

00:40:35.780 surely

00:40:36.920 if AI

00:40:37.960 is going to

00:40:38.600 be that

00:40:39.520 amazing

00:40:40.200 why do you

00:40:42.440 need so many

00:40:43.260 H1Bs 1.00

00:40:44.600 Elon

00:40:45.060 why is this

00:40:46.240 as of last

00:40:47.360 Wednesday

00:40:47.880 this is a

00:40:48.400 statement he

00:40:48.880 made

00:40:49.120 an account

00:40:49.920 here

00:40:50.280 was responding

00:40:51.300 to SpaceX

00:40:52.140 saying thanks

00:40:53.580 to all of the

00:40:54.140 1800 plus

00:40:55.020 members of the

00:40:55.560 SpaceX team

00:40:56.500 happy Veterans

00:40:57.720 Day

00:40:58.140 and it points

00:40:59.380 out SpaceX

00:40:59.900 use less than

00:41:00.720 20 H1B

00:41:02.080 workers between

00:41:02.980 2011 and

00:41:03.820 2024

00:41:04.320 less than

00:41:05.400 20

00:41:05.860 they hire

00:41:06.600 almost 100%

00:41:07.800 American

00:41:08.240 because defense

00:41:09.300 contractors are

00:41:10.120 heavily restricted

00:41:10.840 from employing

00:41:11.600 visa holders

00:41:12.640 and it works

00:41:13.740 we have the

00:41:14.180 people we have

00:41:14.720 the talent

00:41:15.100 but companies

00:41:16.100 want cheaper

00:41:16.820 labor

00:41:17.140 to which

00:41:18.060 Elon responds

00:41:19.200 personally

00:41:19.980 saying

00:41:21.440 President Donald

00:41:22.800 Trump is

00:41:23.880 right

00:41:24.440 regarding H1Bs 1.00

00:41:25.700 we must

00:41:26.440 distinguish clearly

00:41:27.440 between companies

00:41:28.280 that need to

00:41:29.040 hire critical

00:41:29.700 world-class talent

00:41:30.820 from other

00:41:31.680 countries

00:41:32.200 versus companies

00:41:33.260 that simply

00:41:33.780 hire low-cost

00:41:34.840 non-US

00:41:36.060 employees

00:41:36.660 to increase

00:41:37.740 profits

00:41:38.420 SpaceX has

00:41:39.680 succeeded

00:41:40.760 despite not

00:41:42.200 being able to

00:41:42.940 hire critical

00:41:43.680 world-class talent

00:41:44.560 from other

00:41:45.040 countries due

00:41:45.640 to ITAR

00:41:46.560 laws

00:41:47.020 you are

00:41:47.620 inviting in

00:41:48.660 potential

00:41:49.260 spies

00:41:49.840 by the

00:41:51.040 sounds of

00:41:51.500 it to me

00:41:51.940 Elon

00:41:52.260 had we

00:41:53.020 been able

00:41:53.540 to do

00:41:53.940 so

00:41:54.220 our progress

00:41:55.140 would have

00:41:55.480 been faster

00:41:56.040 now if

00:41:56.760 I was

00:41:57.400 working for

00:41:58.220 SpaceX

00:41:58.720 and saw

00:42:00.260 this

00:42:00.800 the spit

00:42:02.360 in the face

00:42:03.380 to the work

00:42:04.360 and dedication

00:42:05.000 that you have

00:42:05.460 done for

00:42:05.820 SpaceX

00:42:06.180 I would go

00:42:07.120 on strike

00:42:07.780 I might

00:42:08.600 quit

00:42:08.880 because what

00:42:09.580 Elon is

00:42:10.080 saying there

00:42:10.820 is great

00:42:12.100 work

00:42:12.560 but if I

00:42:13.220 could have

00:42:13.480 replaced you

00:42:14.060 with an

00:42:14.380 Indian

00:42:14.740 I would

00:42:15.600 have

00:42:15.780 and I

00:42:16.060 would have

00:42:16.180 expected them

00:42:16.740 to do

00:42:17.020 better than

00:42:17.580 you anyway

00:42:18.180 that's vile

00:42:20.220 that's

00:42:20.700 disgusting

00:42:21.500 and that is

00:42:22.460 again this

00:42:23.300 bug man

00:42:24.020 mentality

00:42:24.660 human beings

00:42:25.960 do not belong

00:42:26.860 to nations

00:42:27.540 it's not a

00:42:28.880 mentality that

00:42:29.640 he puts for

00:42:30.180 European countries

00:42:31.220 for some reason

00:42:31.920 but he has

00:42:32.680 this new world

00:42:33.360 mentality with

00:42:34.240 America

00:42:34.760 that America

00:42:35.620 is the place

00:42:36.360 the global

00:42:36.900 experiment

00:42:37.460 where anybody

00:42:38.460 from anywhere

00:42:39.380 and everywhere

00:42:40.360 can come and

00:42:41.320 be used as

00:42:41.900 interchangeable

00:42:42.760 widgets

00:42:43.140 and traded

00:42:44.560 out on the

00:42:45.280 basis of

00:42:45.780 min-maxing

00:42:46.540 skills according

00:42:47.400 to credentials

00:42:48.120 and that's

00:42:49.640 how he sees

00:42:50.400 this

00:42:50.700 and again

00:42:51.340 if you work

00:42:52.040 for SpaceX

00:42:52.600 and you're

00:42:53.160 watching this

00:42:53.800 if I was in

00:42:55.180 your position

00:42:55.640 I would be

00:42:56.560 very insulted

00:42:57.620 by the

00:42:58.140 implication

00:42:58.640 of this

00:42:59.620 statement

00:43:00.020 it's also

00:43:00.700 reading some

00:43:01.840 of the rest

00:43:02.160 of what he's

00:43:02.620 saying here

00:43:03.220 it's a

00:43:04.500 strange

00:43:05.020 conflation

00:43:05.740 of the

00:43:06.280 H1Bs 1.00

00:43:07.080 which are

00:43:07.660 done

00:43:08.140 what

00:43:08.420 hundreds of

00:43:08.920 thousands

00:43:09.140 of people

00:43:09.480 like 600,000

00:43:10.640 or something

00:43:11.120 in that magnitude

00:43:11.960 wasn't it

00:43:12.420 last year

00:43:12.980 and he's

00:43:14.340 there talking

00:43:14.780 about getting

00:43:15.460 the world

00:43:15.980 class talent

00:43:16.680 in things

00:43:17.620 like Tesla

00:43:18.200 so what

00:43:19.060 Elon's basically

00:43:19.760 talking about

00:43:20.280 is there

00:43:20.640 a handful

00:43:22.300 of people

00:43:22.960 I want

00:43:23.580 for SpaceX

00:43:25.520 around the

00:43:26.140 world

00:43:26.380 which is

00:43:26.900 not the

00:43:27.300 same order

00:43:27.760 of magnitude

00:43:28.260 as the

00:43:29.540 H1Bs 1.00

00:43:30.320 anyway

00:43:30.820 even without

00:43:32.480 the H1Bs 1.00

00:43:33.860 or not

00:43:35.100 SpaceX is

00:43:36.220 limited

00:43:36.520 so it doesn't

00:43:37.200 matter

00:43:37.540 also can I

00:43:38.860 just say

00:43:39.220 the thing is

00:43:40.140 when he had

00:43:40.640 his big meltdown

00:43:41.540 last year

00:43:42.060 people looked

00:43:43.020 into Tesla

00:43:43.620 and found

00:43:44.200 that it was

00:43:44.620 employing

00:43:45.240 hordes

00:43:45.920 of H1Bs 1.00

00:43:47.380 potentially

00:43:47.880 10%

00:43:48.760 of its

00:43:49.220 workforce

00:43:49.760 and if you

00:43:50.720 look here

00:43:51.240 industrial

00:43:51.760 engineer

00:43:52.600 base salary

00:43:53.720 of $80,000

00:43:55.200 I looked

00:43:56.180 into it

00:43:56.740 that is

00:43:57.280 basically

00:43:57.800 as low

00:43:58.760 end

00:43:59.060 for a

00:43:59.500 US

00:43:59.860 industrial

00:44:00.440 engineer

00:44:00.900 as you

00:44:01.400 can pay

00:44:01.800 them

00:44:02.060 their base

00:44:02.780 salaries

00:44:03.220 can go

00:44:03.780 up to

00:44:04.040 $103,000

00:44:05.320 so you

00:44:06.200 can't

00:44:06.680 convince me

00:44:07.420 that Elon

00:44:08.160 is hiring

00:44:08.760 these people

00:44:09.440 purely because

00:44:10.400 they are the

00:44:10.860 best in the

00:44:11.500 world

00:44:11.840 when instead

00:44:12.540 it looks

00:44:12.920 like he's

00:44:13.340 trying to

00:44:13.720 nickel and

00:44:14.180 dime his

00:44:14.680 own company

00:44:15.400 to save

00:44:16.140 on costs

00:44:16.800 well most

00:44:17.340 most businesses

00:44:18.260 the main

00:44:19.060 expenditure

00:44:19.620 is the

00:44:20.200 labour costs

00:44:20.860 isn't it

00:44:21.280 so when you're

00:44:22.360 looking at a

00:44:22.960 spreadsheet

00:44:23.320 the thing

00:44:24.160 that you

00:44:24.380 want to

00:44:24.600 get down

00:44:25.000 the most

00:44:25.400 is the

00:44:25.760 labour costs

00:44:26.380 because it's

00:44:27.220 the largest

00:44:27.840 share of

00:44:28.360 your expenses

00:44:28.900 but sorry

00:44:29.460 for us

00:44:29.780 you're going

00:44:30.020 to say

00:44:30.240 something

00:44:30.520 what I was

00:44:31.260 going to

00:44:31.460 say is

00:44:31.720 that if

00:44:32.520 in 20

00:44:32.900 years all

00:44:33.320 of this

00:44:33.500 is going

00:44:33.740 to be

00:44:33.960 absolutely

00:44:34.280 pointless

00:44:34.700 why would

00:44:35.740 you bring

00:44:36.020 anybody

00:44:36.280 now

00:44:36.600 I mean

00:44:36.840 the short

00:44:37.260 termism

00:44:37.640 of the

00:44:37.900 thinking

00:44:38.220 is absolutely

00:44:39.280 insane

00:44:39.680 if he

00:44:40.040 believes

00:44:40.580 that in

00:44:41.320 10 to

00:44:41.560 20 years

00:44:41.940 time

00:44:42.280 all of

00:44:43.540 these

00:44:43.680 H1Bs 1.00

00:44:44.300 will be

00:44:44.820 sitting

00:44:45.260 around

00:44:45.560 doing

00:44:45.800 absolutely

00:44:46.160 nothing

00:44:46.520 why

00:44:48.080 make them

00:44:48.900 the problem

00:44:49.520 of your

00:44:50.380 companies which

00:44:51.160 are presumably

00:44:51.680 going to be

00:44:52.200 producing

00:44:52.540 the robots

00:44:54.240 that make

00:44:55.460 work irrelevant

00:44:56.220 for everybody

00:44:56.680 else

00:44:57.000 why increase

00:44:58.600 the future

00:44:59.320 burden on

00:44:59.900 yourself

00:45:00.400 and your

00:45:01.500 companies

00:45:01.900 just to save

00:45:03.240 nickels and

00:45:04.180 dimes now

00:45:04.780 well perhaps

00:45:06.040 because he

00:45:06.900 believes that

00:45:07.880 AI will

00:45:09.280 somehow

00:45:10.280 eliminate

00:45:11.080 poverty

00:45:11.700 altogether

00:45:12.360 because of

00:45:13.360 the super

00:45:13.820 abundance

00:45:14.240 that it will

00:45:14.760 generate

00:45:15.140 here he is

00:45:15.620 saying as

00:45:16.040 much

00:45:16.360 but AI

00:45:17.820 and human

00:45:18.160 robots

00:45:18.540 will actually

00:45:19.620 eliminate

00:45:20.580 poverty

00:45:21.020 and Tesla

00:45:22.160 won't be the

00:45:22.560 only one

00:45:22.840 that makes

00:45:23.120 them

00:45:23.260 I think Tesla

00:45:23.700 will pioneer

00:45:24.220 this but

00:45:24.780 there will

00:45:25.140 be many

00:45:25.740 other companies

00:45:26.240 that make

00:45:26.580 humanoid

00:45:26.940 robots

00:45:27.320 but there is

00:45:28.400 only basically

00:45:29.040 one way

00:45:29.600 to make

00:45:31.300 everyone

00:45:31.680 wealthy and

00:45:32.260 that is

00:45:32.580 AI and

00:45:33.000 robotics

00:45:33.400 and we

00:45:35.040 can't talk

00:45:35.560 about robotics

00:45:36.340 without

00:45:36.780 AI

00:45:37.260 I mean

00:45:38.960 outside of

00:45:40.840 all of the

00:45:41.260 actual logistic

00:45:42.060 concerns of

00:45:42.860 such things

00:45:43.400 what it would

00:45:43.900 do to

00:45:44.380 humanity

00:45:45.040 to actually

00:45:46.400 experience

00:45:47.160 something like

00:45:47.800 this

00:45:47.960 a complete

00:45:48.680 upending

00:45:49.300 of all

00:45:49.980 societal

00:45:50.520 relations

00:45:51.180 as far

00:45:52.080 back as

00:45:52.540 we can

00:45:52.860 remember

00:45:53.340 well the

00:45:53.840 whole world

00:45:54.400 being unemployed

00:45:55.200 is it

00:45:56.240 yeah

00:45:56.500 but does

00:45:57.360 it sound

00:45:57.760 realistic

00:45:58.280 does it

00:45:59.180 sound realistic

00:45:59.980 or does

00:46:00.860 this sound

00:46:01.420 like the

00:46:01.920 high-minded

00:46:02.840 utopian

00:46:03.660 musings of

00:46:04.520 a guy who

00:46:05.100 indulges in

00:46:05.940 too much

00:46:06.340 science fiction

00:46:07.160 yeah

00:46:07.820 because

00:46:08.280 in looking

00:46:09.720 into this

00:46:10.500 I looked

00:46:11.680 back on

00:46:12.160 some of the

00:46:12.480 stuff to do

00:46:13.080 with the

00:46:13.520 dot-com

00:46:13.960 bubble

00:46:14.280 back in

00:46:15.200 the late

00:46:15.520 90s

00:46:16.180 and in

00:46:16.720 some of

00:46:16.920 the videos

00:46:17.300 that I

00:46:17.580 watched

00:46:17.920 it

00:46:18.060 went back

00:46:18.540 to the

00:46:18.780 1970s

00:46:19.700 when the

00:46:20.020 US government

00:46:20.600 was involved

00:46:21.240 in the

00:46:21.860 creation of

00:46:22.520 a very very

00:46:23.260 early version

00:46:24.000 of the internet

00:46:24.540 to begin with

00:46:25.100 and you can

00:46:25.860 find clips

00:46:26.560 all the way

00:46:27.040 back then

00:46:27.720 of

00:46:28.600 scientists

00:46:30.300 American scientists

00:46:31.200 saying that

00:46:31.880 I have no doubt

00:46:32.940 that by the year

00:46:33.600 2000

00:46:34.140 this technology

00:46:35.100 will make it

00:46:35.760 so that you

00:46:36.380 can have

00:46:36.780 a brain surgeon

00:46:38.300 in Scotland

00:46:39.280 operating directly

00:46:40.940 on a patient

00:46:41.700 in New Zealand

00:46:42.520 I remember

00:46:43.080 seeing those

00:46:43.840 sorts of things

00:46:44.460 does this

00:46:46.100 sound like

00:46:46.520 something

00:46:46.780 that's going

00:46:47.160 to be

00:46:47.520 realistic

00:46:48.380 or does it

00:46:49.960 sound like

00:46:50.500 that kind

00:46:50.980 of high

00:46:51.480 minded

00:46:52.600 fantasy

00:46:53.240 I mean

00:46:53.940 prove me

00:46:54.800 wrong

00:46:55.180 experience

00:46:55.780 may prove

00:46:56.560 me wrong

00:46:57.020 maybe AI

00:46:57.680 is going

00:46:58.220 to change

00:46:59.300 everything

00:46:59.980 and unleash

00:47:01.260 all of this

00:47:02.600 onto the world

00:47:03.400 but right

00:47:04.580 now

00:47:05.200 it just

00:47:06.260 sounds like

00:47:06.900 Elon Musk

00:47:07.680 is

00:47:08.340 indulging

00:47:10.220 in science

00:47:10.820 fantasy

00:47:11.280 realistically

00:47:12.020 this sort

00:47:13.200 of technology

00:47:13.780 he's talking

00:47:14.380 about

00:47:14.740 is

00:47:15.200 hundreds

00:47:16.160 if not

00:47:16.620 maybe even

00:47:17.140 thousands

00:47:17.600 of years

00:47:18.200 into the

00:47:18.700 future

00:47:19.100 it's not

00:47:20.520 feasible

00:47:21.260 certainly

00:47:21.700 not the

00:47:22.040 10 to

00:47:22.340 20 years

00:47:22.980 that he

00:47:23.220 was talking

00:47:23.660 about

00:47:24.020 it's not

00:47:24.500 happening

00:47:24.860 in any

00:47:25.360 of our

00:47:25.600 I think

00:47:25.980 they're

00:47:26.400 assuming

00:47:26.840 a continually

00:47:27.700 exponential

00:47:28.500 rate of

00:47:29.420 progress

00:47:30.040 in technology

00:47:31.000 which is

00:47:31.880 not ever

00:47:33.060 really something

00:47:33.740 that you

00:47:34.200 can bank

00:47:34.740 on

00:47:35.040 but even

00:47:35.480 if it

00:47:35.700 does

00:47:35.940 happen

00:47:36.320 human

00:47:36.760 nature

00:47:37.060 will be

00:47:37.380 human

00:47:37.600 nature

00:47:38.000 and we

00:47:39.220 will find

00:47:39.660 massive

00:47:40.020 differences

00:47:40.560 through which

00:47:41.980 to build

00:47:42.340 up conflict

00:47:42.900 and we

00:47:44.020 will end up

00:47:44.440 fighting each

00:47:44.880 other over

00:47:45.600 all kinds

00:47:46.300 of things

00:47:46.780 using this

00:47:48.120 kind of

00:47:48.420 technology

00:47:48.880 so it's

00:47:49.900 not going

00:47:50.300 to be

00:47:50.740 a utopia

00:47:51.780 where everybody

00:47:52.340 sits around

00:47:52.900 idly

00:47:53.440 it's going

00:47:54.660 to translate

00:47:55.160 into

00:47:55.760 weapons

00:47:56.660 techniques

00:47:57.160 of control

00:47:57.900 coercion

00:47:59.100 etc

00:47:59.500 imagine

00:48:00.280 imagine

00:48:00.300 having

00:48:00.620 a fully

00:48:00.940 automated

00:48:01.320 police

00:48:01.680 force

00:48:01.940 it's

00:48:02.200 going

00:48:02.400 to be

00:48:02.720 horrible

00:48:03.160 to be

00:48:04.620 constantly

00:48:05.140 interacting

00:48:05.700 with robots

00:48:06.260 with absolutely

00:48:06.920 no humanity

00:48:07.540 and no sympathy

00:48:08.080 for you

00:48:08.540 so the dream

00:48:10.000 itself

00:48:10.380 even if it

00:48:10.860 was

00:48:11.080 realizable

00:48:12.540 in the

00:48:13.680 time frame

00:48:14.220 that he's

00:48:14.600 talking about

00:48:15.280 is not

00:48:16.480 a good one

00:48:17.100 if you've

00:48:18.260 got lots

00:48:18.640 of idle

00:48:18.960 hands

00:48:19.240 you've got

00:48:19.580 lots of

00:48:19.920 people

00:48:20.240 for a war

00:48:21.300 effort

00:48:21.640 and through

00:48:22.780 the AI's

00:48:23.600 logic

00:48:23.980 well

00:48:24.360 these other

00:48:25.140 countries

00:48:26.000 have resources

00:48:26.840 that it could

00:48:27.420 acquire

00:48:27.780 and better

00:48:28.320 achieve

00:48:28.660 its aims

00:48:29.140 therefore

00:48:29.960 the inevitable

00:48:30.620 conclusion is

00:48:31.380 we need to

00:48:31.760 invade these

00:48:32.340 countries

00:48:32.660 and take

00:48:33.000 their resources

00:48:33.620 because resources

00:48:34.780 are always

00:48:35.480 to a robotic

00:48:37.300 mind

00:48:37.820 rational to

00:48:38.900 acquire

00:48:39.380 and the human

00:48:40.520 cost of

00:48:42.060 the life

00:48:42.800 is a subjective

00:48:44.180 thing that is

00:48:44.840 felt by human

00:48:45.620 beings but an AI

00:48:46.540 might not necessarily

00:48:47.480 perceive that

00:48:48.320 and let's remember

00:48:49.080 again that this is

00:48:50.140 all banking on

00:48:50.860 the idea that

00:48:51.520 somebody who is

00:48:52.420 trying to make

00:48:53.100 his AIs

00:48:53.740 neutral like

00:48:54.620 Elon Musk

00:48:55.340 is the one who

00:48:56.360 ends up with

00:48:56.800 the monopoly on

00:48:57.580 this technology

00:48:58.320 rather than

00:48:59.280 the people

00:48:59.700 who are

00:49:00.000 programming it

00:49:00.740 to be

00:49:01.160 purposefully

00:49:01.720 anti-white

00:49:02.500 and value

00:49:03.600 the lives

00:49:04.200 of white

00:49:04.700 people

00:49:05.120 far far

00:49:06.140 far far

00:49:06.540 far below

00:49:07.340 anybody else

00:49:08.940 building on that

00:49:09.720 remember some

00:49:10.220 of the studies

00:49:11.400 that were done

00:49:12.020 on AIs

00:49:12.760 were showing

00:49:13.540 that some

00:49:13.880 of these

00:49:14.660 AIs 0.98

00:49:15.200 were valuing

00:49:16.480 the lives

00:49:16.900 of ICE

00:49:17.520 agents

00:49:18.380 a thousand

00:49:20.000 times below

00:49:21.120 the lives

00:49:21.740 of illegal

00:49:22.260 immigrants

00:49:22.860 do you want

00:49:24.520 that kind

00:49:25.100 of technology

00:49:25.680 in charge

00:49:26.160 of every

00:49:26.800 facet

00:49:27.280 of human

00:49:27.740 life

00:49:28.100 I don't

00:49:28.660 think so

00:49:29.120 invert

00:49:29.620 this

00:49:29.960 invert

00:49:30.440 this a

00:49:30.740 little bit

00:49:31.100 imagine the

00:49:32.140 Chinese have 1.00

00:49:32.660 a similar

00:49:33.220 breakthrough

00:49:33.680 where they

00:49:34.600 decide that

00:49:35.160 the value

00:49:35.660 of a Chinese 0.69

00:49:36.220 life is worth

00:49:37.120 what ten

00:49:37.600 thousand

00:49:38.020 one million

00:49:39.060 ten million

00:49:39.680 the lives

00:49:40.800 of others

00:49:41.300 and how

00:49:43.420 would that

00:49:43.780 behave in a

00:49:44.380 conflict

00:49:44.700 and how

00:49:45.700 would that

00:49:46.020 behave if

00:49:46.460 you gave

00:49:46.780 it actual

00:49:47.680 autonomy

00:49:48.080 and how

00:49:49.040 would you

00:49:49.460 be able to

00:49:51.080 control it

00:49:51.640 if you gave

00:49:52.140 it autonomy

00:49:52.560 and how

00:49:53.940 would you

00:49:54.240 stop your

00:49:54.620 own system

00:49:55.040 from being

00:49:55.500 infected

00:49:55.900 with one

00:49:56.420 virus that

00:49:57.040 changes

00:49:57.460 its value

00:49:58.720 system

00:49:59.100 so the

00:50:00.680 ambition

00:50:01.540 itself

00:50:02.140 regardless

00:50:02.680 of its

00:50:03.280 feasibility

00:50:04.120 is an

00:50:05.440 absolutely

00:50:05.980 insane

00:50:06.520 one

00:50:06.820 and is

00:50:07.880 absolutely

00:50:08.380 a bad

00:50:08.940 one

00:50:09.180 and an

00:50:09.660 unethical

00:50:10.300 immoral

00:50:11.220 unchristian

00:50:12.540 inhumane

00:50:13.180 one

00:50:13.460 and even

00:50:14.940 if you

00:50:15.300 programmed

00:50:15.660 into

00:50:16.080 an AI

00:50:16.640 you know

00:50:17.700 and you

00:50:17.960 got it

00:50:18.240 perfectly

00:50:18.680 correct

00:50:19.200 that it

00:50:20.180 values human

00:50:21.280 life

00:50:21.700 in the

00:50:22.500 same way

00:50:23.000 that a

00:50:23.260 human

00:50:23.480 being

00:50:23.840 might

00:50:24.140 then

00:50:25.280 there's

00:50:26.420 also

00:50:26.660 a

00:50:26.940 human

00:50:27.220 being

00:50:27.500 or a

00:50:27.760 Christian

00:50:27.960 human

00:50:28.220 being

00:50:28.520 it's

00:50:29.580 also

00:50:29.840 a bit

00:50:30.240 difficult

00:50:30.560 to

00:50:30.840 figure

00:50:31.740 out

00:50:32.000 which

00:50:32.360 way

00:50:32.660 to go

00:50:33.040 but even

00:50:33.880 then

00:50:34.320 the way

00:50:36.000 in which

00:50:36.320 AI is

00:50:36.780 going to

00:50:37.260 improve

00:50:37.740 and accelerate

00:50:38.320 its improvements

00:50:39.020 is that AI

00:50:39.620 works on

00:50:40.180 itself

00:50:40.520 to improve

00:50:40.980 itself

00:50:41.340 therefore

00:50:41.920 it has

00:50:42.240 the ability

00:50:42.660 to change

00:50:43.100 its code

00:50:43.500 so there's

00:50:43.980 no guarantee

00:50:44.520 that it

00:50:44.940 will remain

00:50:46.180 anyway

00:50:47.140 it might

00:50:47.880 decide that

00:50:48.300 the value

00:50:48.680 of AI

00:50:49.140 is worth

00:50:49.720 all of

00:50:50.120 human

00:50:50.320 lives

00:50:50.660 and decide

00:50:52.080 that okay

00:50:52.820 I'm going

00:50:53.280 to sky

00:50:53.920 net all

00:50:54.260 of you

00:50:54.460 and genocide

00:50:54.860 you

00:50:55.220 yeah this

00:50:55.680 is the

00:50:55.980 future

00:50:56.820 there is

00:50:57.340 no

00:50:57.640 this is

00:51:00.200 not a

00:51:00.420 good thing

00:51:00.820 this is

00:51:01.060 not a

00:51:01.300 moral

00:51:01.560 thing

00:51:01.980 but either

00:51:03.340 way to

00:51:03.740 carry on

00:51:04.600 there are

00:51:05.280 the other

00:51:05.580 problems

00:51:05.960 with this

00:51:06.500 like Elon

00:51:07.140 Musk 0.77

00:51:07.500 when he

00:51:08.060 went on

00:51:08.600 Joe Rogan

00:51:10.740 last month

00:51:11.320 in October

00:51:11.860 saying that

00:51:13.500 when AI

00:51:14.700 and robotics

00:51:15.420 like Tesla's

00:51:16.140 Optimus

00:51:16.600 eliminate all 0.96

00:51:17.420 work and

00:51:17.820 money

00:51:18.040 the government

00:51:18.480 should hand

00:51:19.020 out a

00:51:19.380 universal

00:51:19.880 income

00:51:20.520 which is

00:51:21.520 contradictory

00:51:22.060 because if

00:51:22.680 it's

00:51:22.840 eliminated

00:51:23.280 work and

00:51:24.280 money

00:51:24.600 what's the

00:51:25.020 point of

00:51:25.320 an income

00:51:25.840 if you

00:51:26.240 can just

00:51:26.940 get the

00:51:27.340 Star Trek

00:51:27.940 future

00:51:28.380 where you

00:51:28.820 can just

00:51:29.100 press a

00:51:29.500 button

00:51:29.740 and get

00:51:30.160 someone to

00:51:30.680 bring something

00:51:31.320 to you

00:51:31.700 without any

00:51:32.220 charge

00:51:32.620 he says

00:51:33.300 we'll have

00:51:34.000 in a benign

00:51:34.620 scenario

00:51:35.200 universal

00:51:35.940 high income

00:51:36.940 anyone can

00:51:38.020 have any

00:51:38.460 products or

00:51:39.060 services that

00:51:39.720 they want

00:51:40.120 but there

00:51:40.380 will be a

00:51:40.720 lot of

00:51:41.500 trauma and

00:51:42.200 disruption

00:51:42.660 along the

00:51:43.680 way

00:51:43.920 for one

00:51:44.660 if everybody

00:51:45.320 has universal

00:51:46.120 high income

00:51:46.880 that means that

00:51:47.480 nobody has

00:51:48.160 high income

00:51:48.880 because it

00:51:49.400 levels it

00:51:49.980 all out

00:51:50.440 besides if

00:51:51.280 money isn't

00:51:52.260 relevant anymore

00:51:53.960 what's the

00:51:54.300 point of

00:51:54.700 income

00:51:55.120 two this is

00:51:56.380 the technocratic

00:51:57.040 problem

00:51:57.500 this is the

00:51:58.000 problem with

00:51:58.380 technocrats

00:51:58.900 the non-human

00:51:59.720 way that they

00:52:00.400 think the

00:52:01.200 soulless

00:52:01.900 inhuman minds

00:52:03.820 that they have

00:52:04.340 what gives you

00:52:05.460 the right to

00:52:06.460 inflict that

00:52:07.160 trauma and

00:52:07.880 disruption on

00:52:09.180 normal people

00:52:10.020 this would be

00:52:10.860 managerialism on

00:52:13.440 steroids

00:52:13.920 absolutely

00:52:14.980 this would be

00:52:15.500 injecting the

00:52:16.580 existing

00:52:17.300 managerialist

00:52:18.060 system

00:52:18.500 globalist

00:52:19.820 system

00:52:20.160 with steroids

00:52:21.060 and letting

00:52:21.620 it run

00:52:22.060 amok

00:52:22.400 and with

00:52:23.560 absolutely

00:52:23.980 no input

00:52:25.360 from

00:52:26.320 human values

00:52:27.960 which should

00:52:28.360 always be

00:52:28.820 Christian values

00:52:29.500 it's just

00:52:30.360 crazy

00:52:30.720 it's just

00:52:31.180 it's mad

00:52:32.740 scientist territory

00:52:33.560 it's really

00:52:34.280 mad scientist

00:52:34.840 territory

00:52:35.100 certainly is

00:52:35.680 and then let's

00:52:36.220 move on to

00:52:36.720 the next part

00:52:37.620 of this

00:52:38.040 and I'll try

00:52:38.480 and get through

00:52:38.860 this as quickly

00:52:39.340 as possible

00:52:39.760 which is the

00:52:40.320 question of

00:52:41.120 whether AI

00:52:41.940 is a bubble

00:52:43.600 right now

00:52:44.640 as well

00:52:45.180 I've spoken

00:52:45.860 about this

00:52:46.280 briefly

00:52:46.680 our access

00:52:47.360 has been

00:52:47.720 blocked

00:52:48.060 from the

00:52:48.480 Wall Street

00:52:48.940 Journal

00:52:49.320 but just to

00:52:50.220 summarise the

00:52:50.800 article that I

00:52:51.420 did have up

00:52:52.120 here

00:52:52.380 it's that

00:52:53.420 Elon Musk's

00:52:54.300 ex-AI is in

00:52:55.580 advanced talks

00:52:56.460 to raise

00:52:56.880 15 billion

00:52:57.900 dollars

00:52:58.360 right now

00:52:59.420 lifting its

00:53:00.300 valuation

00:53:00.940 to a new

00:53:02.060 equity at

00:53:02.860 a 230

00:53:03.840 billion dollar

00:53:05.040 valuation

00:53:05.860 which is

00:53:06.480 according to

00:53:06.920 people familiar

00:53:07.700 with these

00:53:08.240 plans

00:53:08.560 the new

00:53:09.140 valuation would

00:53:09.840 represent

00:53:10.220 a significant

00:53:11.300 increase from

00:53:12.200 113 billion

00:53:13.600 dollars

00:53:14.080 which was

00:53:15.120 disclosed

00:53:15.680 after

00:53:16.320 X-AI

00:53:17.800 acquired

00:53:18.940 the social

00:53:20.080 media site

00:53:20.760 X in

00:53:21.520 March

00:53:22.060 the terms

00:53:22.940 of the

00:53:23.160 new

00:53:23.320 fundraising

00:53:23.780 were disclosed

00:53:24.320 to investors

00:53:24.840 by Musk's

00:53:25.760 wealth manager

00:53:26.440 in June

00:53:27.140 X-AI

00:53:27.660 raised

00:53:28.260 5 billion

00:53:29.120 dollars

00:53:29.400 in equity

00:53:29.820 and 5 billion

00:53:30.900 dollars in

00:53:31.380 debt to

00:53:31.800 help build

00:53:32.340 out its

00:53:32.700 colossus

00:53:33.200 data center

00:53:33.920 in Memphis

00:53:34.760 Tennessee

00:53:35.520 Musk's 0.98

00:53:36.380 rocket

00:53:36.640 company

00:53:37.040 SpaceX

00:53:37.460 invested

00:53:38.340 2 billion

00:53:39.120 dollars

00:53:39.520 in the

00:53:39.840 company

00:53:40.200 as part

00:53:41.100 of that

00:53:41.440 round

00:53:41.880 Musk 0.77

00:53:42.480 who is

00:53:42.760 chief

00:53:43.520 executive

00:53:43.980 officer

00:53:44.420 of Tesla

00:53:44.980 has publicly

00:53:45.800 supported the

00:53:46.580 idea of

00:53:47.360 Tesla

00:53:47.780 investing

00:53:48.340 in X-AI

00:53:49.380 as well

00:53:50.240 at a recent

00:53:50.860 shareholder

00:53:51.400 meeting

00:53:51.760 Tesla

00:53:52.120 shareholders

00:53:52.720 had a

00:53:53.100 mixed

00:53:53.340 response

00:53:53.800 to a

00:53:54.380 proposal

00:53:54.780 that asked

00:53:55.500 the board

00:53:55.880 to make

00:53:56.300 such an

00:53:56.680 investment

00:53:57.040 and is

00:53:57.640 now up

00:53:58.240 to the

00:53:58.520 board

00:53:58.800 to decide

00:53:59.480 ahead of

00:53:59.860 the meeting

00:54:00.220 Tesla

00:54:00.520 chair

00:54:00.800 Robin

00:54:01.140 Denham

00:54:01.560 told the

00:54:03.140 journal

00:54:03.520 that she

00:54:03.900 questioned

00:54:04.300 the logic

00:54:04.700 of such

00:54:05.080 an

00:54:05.200 investment

00:54:05.520 said the

00:54:06.160 board

00:54:06.400 hadn't done

00:54:06.980 any of

00:54:07.580 the due

00:54:08.080 diligence

00:54:08.640 required to

00:54:09.600 move forward

00:54:09.980 so it

00:54:10.260 seems like

00:54:10.740 Elon is

00:54:11.380 trying to

00:54:12.480 start shifting

00:54:13.500 his assets

00:54:15.140 a lot of

00:54:15.660 his financial

00:54:16.260 assets and

00:54:17.000 investment

00:54:17.420 from his

00:54:18.320 other companies

00:54:19.120 into

00:54:20.080 X-AI

00:54:20.820 as well

00:54:21.820 which will

00:54:22.340 again inflate

00:54:23.360 that huge

00:54:24.180 valuation

00:54:24.860 of the company

00:54:26.520 this is

00:54:27.300 this is his

00:54:27.520 new

00:54:27.860 obsessive

00:54:28.880 focus

00:54:29.400 and this

00:54:30.200 is part

00:54:30.580 of this

00:54:30.860 whole

00:54:31.120 worry

00:54:31.480 that people

00:54:31.980 have right

00:54:32.460 now

00:54:32.620 that I've

00:54:32.840 seen people

00:54:33.240 talking about

00:54:33.920 of whether

00:54:34.640 this is a

00:54:35.160 bubble

00:54:35.380 which is why

00:54:36.120 I'm glad to

00:54:36.600 be sat on

00:54:37.140 this panel

00:54:37.600 with two

00:54:38.260 guys who

00:54:38.640 would probably

00:54:38.960 know a bit

00:54:39.380 more about

00:54:39.860 such things

00:54:40.560 than I do

00:54:42.380 because people

00:54:43.140 have been

00:54:43.360 talking about

00:54:44.020 this for

00:54:44.480 months

00:54:44.800 this is an

00:54:45.240 article back

00:54:45.820 from the

00:54:46.120 beginning of

00:54:46.600 October

00:54:47.120 that's going

00:54:48.500 to be really

00:54:48.860 bad fears

00:54:49.520 over AI

00:54:50.080 bubble bursting

00:54:50.860 grow in

00:54:51.420 Silicon Valley

00:54:52.360 tech giants

00:54:53.640 are spending

00:54:54.080 big on AI

00:54:54.920 in rush to

00:54:55.740 dominate the

00:54:56.360 boom

00:54:56.680 that's from

00:54:57.360 the end

00:54:57.940 of October

00:54:58.860 companies are

00:55:00.760 being told

00:55:01.280 that they are

00:55:01.760 over investing

00:55:02.760 in AI

00:55:03.460 that's warnings

00:55:04.180 from fund

00:55:05.220 management

00:55:05.760 and Google's

00:55:07.620 boss

00:55:08.220 currently

00:55:08.760 is saying

00:55:09.660 a trillion

00:55:10.400 dollar

00:55:10.960 AI investment

00:55:12.660 boom has

00:55:13.220 elements of

00:55:13.900 irrationality

00:55:14.720 and what this

00:55:15.420 is talking about

00:55:16.080 is Alphabet

00:55:16.820 the parent

00:55:17.840 company of

00:55:18.480 Google

00:55:18.860 has shares

00:55:19.740 that have

00:55:20.020 doubled in

00:55:20.500 value in

00:55:20.980 seven months

00:55:21.560 to 3.5

00:55:22.480 trillion

00:55:23.060 dollars

00:55:23.920 as markets

00:55:24.820 have grown

00:55:25.200 more confident

00:55:25.860 in the

00:55:26.200 search giant's

00:55:27.420 ability to

00:55:27.920 fend off the

00:55:28.380 threat from

00:55:28.780 Jap GPT 0.99

00:55:29.740 owner

00:55:30.040 OpenAI

00:55:31.540 a particular

00:55:32.540 focus is

00:55:33.040 Alphabet's

00:55:33.540 development of

00:55:34.140 specialized

00:55:34.580 superchips

00:55:35.440 for AI

00:55:35.960 that compete

00:55:36.720 with NVIDIA

00:55:37.620 run by

00:55:38.220 Jensen Huang

00:55:38.840 who we saw

00:55:39.280 the image of

00:55:39.780 earlier

00:55:40.120 which recently

00:55:41.360 reached a

00:55:42.040 world first

00:55:43.020 five trillion

00:55:44.460 dollar

00:55:45.020 valuation

00:55:46.120 as valuations

00:55:47.460 rise some

00:55:48.000 analysts have

00:55:48.740 expressed

00:55:49.280 skepticism

00:55:50.100 about a

00:55:50.860 complicated web

00:55:51.860 of 1.4

00:55:53.300 trillion

00:55:53.800 dollars worth

00:55:54.480 of deals

00:55:54.840 being done

00:55:55.380 around

00:55:55.960 OpenAI

00:55:56.720 which is

00:55:57.440 expected to

00:55:57.980 have revenues

00:55:58.560 this year

00:55:59.140 of less than

00:56:00.020 one thousandth

00:56:01.140 of the

00:56:01.960 planned

00:56:02.380 investment

00:56:03.220 the tech

00:56:04.100 giant is

00:56:04.680 also expanding

00:56:05.520 its footprint

00:56:06.020 in the UK

00:56:06.900 in September

00:56:08.200 Alphabet announced

00:56:09.120 that it was

00:56:09.480 investing in UK

00:56:10.580 artificial intelligence

00:56:11.800 committing five

00:56:12.860 billion pounds

00:56:13.580 to infrastructure

00:56:14.300 and research

00:56:15.220 over the next

00:56:16.060 two years

00:56:16.540 this will be

00:56:17.200 alongside I

00:56:18.080 would assume

00:56:18.740 Oracle and

00:56:19.780 Larry Ellison

00:56:20.440 working with

00:56:21.280 Tony Blair

00:56:22.020 to try and

00:56:22.740 implement AI

00:56:23.680 into chat

00:56:25.100 bots for

00:56:25.820 your GP

00:56:26.500 because Tony

00:56:27.300 Blair wants

00:56:27.900 to make the

00:56:28.460 entire GP

00:56:29.440 system

00:56:30.000 automated

00:56:31.100 under AI

00:56:32.220 so you're

00:56:33.700 getting this

00:56:34.040 huge investment

00:56:34.980 boom in

00:56:36.000 Silicon Valley

00:56:36.740 now even

00:56:37.500 Jeff Bezos

00:56:38.200 is getting

00:56:39.220 involved in it

00:56:39.820 as well

00:56:40.080 putting 6.2

00:56:42.160 billion dollars

00:56:43.160 into this

00:56:44.560 and himself

00:56:45.340 as co-CEO

00:56:46.440 behind a new

00:56:47.160 AI startup

00:56:48.100 so you're

00:56:48.840 getting this

00:56:49.260 huge swell

00:56:50.800 of investment

00:56:51.500 from people

00:56:52.120 who are

00:56:52.460 already

00:56:52.860 let's be

00:56:53.300 honest

00:56:53.600 the heads

00:56:54.560 of huge

00:56:55.280 tech monopolies

00:56:56.480 into this

00:56:57.680 and then they

00:56:58.460 are building

00:56:59.160 that infrastructure

00:57:00.080 into the

00:57:00.940 foundations

00:57:01.580 of national

00:57:03.280 infrastructure

00:57:04.120 as well

00:57:05.260 the problem

00:57:06.120 I see with it

00:57:06.940 along with a lot

00:57:07.800 of different

00:57:08.200 things is

00:57:08.900 just this

00:57:10.020 Tuesday

00:57:10.540 right

00:57:11.340 if you make

00:57:12.400 your entire

00:57:13.460 system

00:57:14.520 completely dependent

00:57:15.740 on AI

00:57:16.480 the gigantic

00:57:17.580 server farms

00:57:18.560 and chips

00:57:19.080 that are required

00:57:19.740 for it

00:57:20.040 the energy

00:57:21.040 needed to

00:57:21.680 power all of

00:57:22.360 this

00:57:22.460 this is one

00:57:23.200 thing that a lot

00:57:23.980 of green leftists

00:57:25.080 are worried about

00:57:25.880 not because of

00:57:27.180 the potential

00:57:27.900 issues with

00:57:28.980 fault lines

00:57:30.440 in the infrastructure

00:57:31.260 more to do

00:57:32.180 with just the

00:57:32.660 amount of energy

00:57:33.620 it uses up

00:57:34.380 for green

00:57:34.960 climate change

00:57:35.660 purposes

00:57:36.000 these are hugely

00:57:37.500 energy intensive

00:57:38.600 things for a

00:57:39.420 power grid

00:57:39.980 Google itself

00:57:41.500 Alphabet

00:57:42.100 are going back

00:57:43.360 on their green

00:57:44.060 climate energy

00:57:44.940 targets

00:57:45.540 so that they

00:57:46.480 can put all

00:57:47.020 of this

00:57:47.320 investment

00:57:47.800 into AI

00:57:49.060 because it

00:57:49.760 is just

00:57:50.260 that energy

00:57:51.280 intensive

00:57:52.060 and yet

00:57:52.840 on Tuesday

00:57:53.760 cloudflare

00:57:55.100 goes down

00:57:55.760 one website

00:57:57.200 goes down

00:57:58.060 and all of a

00:57:58.880 sudden

00:57:59.040 half of the

00:57:59.960 internet

00:58:00.280 goes down

00:58:00.960 with it

00:58:01.500 and that

00:58:02.460 is

00:58:02.620 these are

00:58:03.360 websites

00:58:03.880 big websites

00:58:04.740 like X

00:58:05.540 like

00:58:06.380 even our

00:58:08.100 website

00:58:08.580 was taken

00:58:09.940 down

00:58:10.340 by it

00:58:11.060 for a little

00:58:11.520 bit

00:58:11.760 right

00:58:12.000 and so

00:58:12.900 you have

00:58:13.380 everything

00:58:14.080 hooked up

00:58:14.820 and you

00:58:15.040 expect there

00:58:15.760 to be

00:58:16.240 lots of

00:58:17.180 contingencies

00:58:18.400 for these

00:58:18.940 fault lines

00:58:19.520 but there

00:58:20.200 isn't

00:58:21.140 there isn't

00:58:22.740 so you get

00:58:23.280 your entire

00:58:23.980 society

00:58:24.760 globally

00:58:25.460 hooked up

00:58:26.940 onto the

00:58:27.480 AI mainframe

00:58:28.420 what happens

00:58:30.460 what could

00:58:30.840 possibly go

00:58:31.380 wrong

00:58:31.600 what happens

00:58:32.500 when the

00:58:33.140 equivalent of

00:58:33.820 a cloudflare

00:58:34.520 issue

00:58:34.880 goes up

00:58:35.640 and the

00:58:36.120 entire

00:58:36.620 global economy

00:58:37.860 which in

00:58:38.780 Elon Musk's

00:58:39.580 mind is

00:58:40.000 entirely run

00:58:41.020 for the

00:58:41.380 purposes of

00:58:41.920 super abundance

00:58:42.720 by AI

00:58:43.480 goes down

00:58:44.520 for half

00:58:44.940 a day

00:58:45.280 what

00:58:47.080 what happens

00:58:47.960 then

00:58:48.360 do your

00:58:49.680 robots

00:58:50.140 freak out

00:58:50.820 do they

00:58:51.060 just shut 0.84

00:58:51.580 down

00:58:51.940 do they

00:58:52.920 start

00:58:53.320 like

00:58:53.720 do they

00:58:54.500 start

00:58:54.820 Skynet

00:58:55.300 attacking

00:58:55.660 you

00:58:55.920 like

00:58:56.400 I don't

00:58:56.960 know

00:58:57.100 you tell

00:58:57.500 me

00:58:57.700 what happens

00:58:58.540 in that

00:58:59.380 situation

00:58:59.940 and when

00:59:00.460 people talk

00:59:00.960 about the

00:59:01.400 AI bubble

00:59:02.020 I couldn't

00:59:02.720 get the

00:59:03.320 Bloomberg

00:59:03.720 article

00:59:04.460 but I

00:59:04.960 got this

00:59:05.620 screenshot

00:59:06.740 from the

00:59:07.660 Bloomberg

00:59:07.980 article

00:59:08.620 that talks

00:59:09.460 about it

00:59:10.000 pointing to

00:59:11.300 all of

00:59:11.720 this

00:59:12.020 and how

00:59:12.620 it

00:59:13.860 you may be

00:59:15.460 able to make

00:59:15.900 more sense

00:59:16.420 of this

00:59:16.780 than me

00:59:17.240 but a lot

00:59:17.880 of this

00:59:18.220 seems to

00:59:18.720 be

00:59:19.060 classic

00:59:20.060 money

00:59:21.100 changing

00:59:21.780 money goes

00:59:23.220 from one

00:59:23.780 hand to

00:59:24.320 another

00:59:24.680 and back

00:59:25.220 again in a

00:59:25.760 big circle

00:59:26.400 until it

00:59:26.840 ends back

00:59:27.280 at the same

00:59:27.720 place and

00:59:28.180 because that

00:59:28.560 money is

00:59:29.000 changing hands

00:59:29.720 over and

00:59:30.060 over and

00:59:30.320 over again

00:59:30.680 it looks

00:59:30.960 like there's

00:59:31.260 lots of

00:59:31.560 investment

00:59:31.980 going around

00:59:32.700 therefore a

00:59:33.880 magic

00:59:34.240 separate

00:59:34.820 invisible

00:59:35.480 number

00:59:35.940 which doesn't

00:59:36.460 actually

00:59:36.880 correspond to

00:59:37.860 anything

00:59:38.240 practical in

00:59:39.060 reality

00:59:39.500 keeps going

00:59:40.520 up

00:59:40.820 and up

00:59:41.240 and up

00:59:41.660 and up

00:59:42.060 and people

00:59:42.480 are saying

00:59:43.540 that this

00:59:43.820 is very

00:59:44.580 similar to

00:59:45.240 the dot

00:59:45.740 com

00:59:46.120 but just

00:59:46.940 for an

00:59:47.180 example

00:59:47.580 right

00:59:47.900 so like

00:59:48.520 Nvidia

00:59:50.100 is giving

00:59:51.040 investment

00:59:51.620 to Intel

00:59:52.640 who are then

00:59:53.500 producing stuff

00:59:54.380 for CoreWeave

00:59:55.820 who are then

00:59:56.320 selling it

00:59:56.860 straight back

00:59:57.440 to Nvidia

00:59:58.720 at which point

01:00:00.100 I ask

01:00:00.620 why don't

01:00:01.380 these two

01:00:01.920 companies

01:00:02.400 merge

01:00:03.000 because it

01:00:04.600 seems to me

01:00:05.200 that Intel

01:00:05.840 is

01:00:06.180 well

01:00:07.840 actually it

01:00:08.560 raises the

01:00:09.000 federal reserve

01:00:09.620 is pretty much

01:00:10.740 printing the

01:00:11.700 money that

01:00:12.200 keeps these

01:00:12.700 share prices

01:00:13.200 up

01:00:13.500 yeah

01:00:13.900 well it

01:00:14.240 raises the

01:00:14.960 question to

01:00:15.400 me

01:00:15.500 what's the

01:00:15.900 point of

01:00:16.360 CoreWeave

01:00:17.100 like what is

01:00:19.260 the point of

01:00:19.780 this company

01:00:20.340 are they doing

01:00:20.880 something to

01:00:21.660 the stuff that's

01:00:22.260 going in to the

01:00:23.320 hardware or

01:00:23.960 software that's being

01:00:24.860 produced by

01:00:25.420 Intel

01:00:25.900 why can't

01:00:26.780 Nvidia

01:00:27.060 like it's

01:00:27.920 stuff like that

01:00:28.940 you can see the

01:00:29.500 gigantic web

01:00:30.180 again I am not

01:00:31.280 an investment guy

01:00:32.180 I'm not a money

01:00:32.940 guy so maybe you

01:00:34.160 guys can explain

01:00:34.900 this a bit better

01:00:35.620 a bit better than

01:00:37.020 I can

01:00:37.460 I mean this

01:00:38.780 is true of a lot

01:00:40.280 of areas of the

01:00:41.040 economy to be honest

01:00:41.760 particularly when you

01:00:42.580 get to large

01:00:43.480 multinational companies

01:00:44.560 they all do

01:00:46.360 trades with each

01:00:47.780 other so a lot of

01:00:48.600 the economy does

01:00:49.320 just look like

01:00:50.120 this however

01:00:51.680 that doesn't mean

01:00:52.920 that it's not a

01:00:54.260 bubble it just

01:00:55.120 means that a lot

01:00:56.220 of the rest of the

01:00:56.900 economy is a

01:00:57.880 bubble as well

01:00:58.520 yes and a lot

01:01:00.780 of this sort of

01:01:01.420 stuff is incestuous 0.99

01:01:02.480 but I think that

01:01:03.940 these companies are

01:01:04.960 still going to

01:01:05.680 emerge as very

01:01:06.960 important but

01:01:07.700 people are over

01:01:08.780 investing in

01:01:09.520 creating the

01:01:10.020 bubble because

01:01:10.540 they're hedging

01:01:11.100 their bets as to

01:01:11.820 which one is

01:01:12.940 going to be

01:01:13.480 leader of the

01:01:14.080 pack because you

01:01:15.580 will get so many

01:01:16.440 spoils when it

01:01:17.420 you know a clear

01:01:18.400 front runner does

01:01:19.300 emerge

01:01:19.820 well and the

01:01:21.960 thing I looked at

01:01:22.920 this Forbes

01:01:23.620 article that was

01:01:25.040 talking about the

01:01:25.640 AI bubble that

01:01:26.560 isn't there

01:01:27.220 they're making the

01:01:27.920 argument that it's

01:01:28.580 not a bubble in

01:01:29.880 response to a lot

01:01:31.040 of people

01:01:31.540 Forbes says that

01:01:32.520 I kind of assumed

01:01:33.260 that it must be

01:01:33.960 well yeah that's

01:01:35.520 that's one of the

01:01:36.200 words and plus

01:01:36.940 this article is

01:01:38.500 just is just

01:01:39.540 word babble

01:01:41.100 garbled nonsense

01:01:42.340 most it's written

01:01:43.160 by AI it's written

01:01:44.600 by a guy called

01:01:45.280 Jason Snyder who

01:01:46.800 let me I'll just

01:01:48.500 I'll just find it

01:01:49.480 I'll just find it

01:01:50.340 is there's just a

01:01:51.120 little bit of

01:01:51.580 nonsense in here

01:01:53.280 where he's talking

01:01:54.440 about how he

01:01:55.180 created a

01:01:56.300 a lamp

01:01:58.240 basically here it

01:01:59.060 is so this is

01:02:00.500 the kind of like

01:02:01.320 intellectual content

01:02:02.300 that I get from

01:02:03.220 this and the kind

01:02:03.980 of flowery poetic

01:02:05.280 language that he

01:02:06.260 uses he says

01:02:07.680 this connection

01:02:09.120 sorry civilization

01:02:10.140 itself is the

01:02:11.200 story of arranging

01:02:12.100 energy into

01:02:12.800 meaning this

01:02:13.780 connection is

01:02:14.580 personal years

01:02:15.900 ago I invented

01:02:16.820 the Luki or

01:02:17.860 Luchi solar

01:02:18.980 lantern to bring

01:02:19.820 light to

01:02:20.340 communities without

01:02:21.240 reliable electricity

01:02:22.320 it was an effort

01:02:23.600 to democratize

01:02:24.780 photons to

01:02:26.200 capture sunlight

01:02:27.140 and convert it

01:02:28.640 into opportunity

01:02:29.820 in Africa I

01:02:31.320 watched children

01:02:32.180 hold a Luchi

01:02:33.560 lantern with

01:02:34.300 or light

01:02:35.520 became cognition

01:02:37.120 energy

01:02:38.400 became hope

01:02:39.960 I joked about

01:02:40.780 it being written

01:02:41.280 by AI but

01:02:42.500 it does actually

01:02:44.540 sound like it

01:02:45.180 does have that

01:02:45.760 feeling it comes

01:02:46.520 across as totally

01:02:47.380 stars in his

01:02:48.540 eyes this will be

01:02:49.580 infinite expansion

01:02:50.740 forever GDP

01:02:52.240 brain line go

01:02:53.500 up on graph

01:02:54.220 forever equal

01:02:55.080 good the main

01:02:57.040 argument that he's

01:02:57.920 making when you

01:02:58.680 sift through all

01:02:59.420 of the waffle

01:02:59.980 is that what is

01:03:01.020 being built by

01:03:02.200 all of these

01:03:02.780 companies who are

01:03:03.420 making huge

01:03:03.980 investments is

01:03:04.780 infrastructure rather

01:03:06.640 than the same

01:03:08.320 thing that happened

01:03:08.920 with the dot-com

01:03:09.680 bubble where it

01:03:10.280 was just a load of

01:03:10.900 companies being

01:03:11.620 started by nobodies 0.87

01:03:12.680 with inflated stock

01:03:13.760 prices who then

01:03:14.880 went out of

01:03:15.860 business out of

01:03:16.820 nowhere as soon as

01:03:17.740 the stock market

01:03:18.440 took a little hit

01:03:19.220 when Japan hit a

01:03:20.480 recession made

01:03:21.140 everybody scared

01:03:22.000 but it's only

01:03:22.620 infrastructure when

01:03:23.500 it's actually

01:03:24.000 infrastructure like

01:03:25.420 at the minute

01:03:26.360 most infrastructure is

01:03:27.900 run not with

01:03:29.020 AI or if it is

01:03:30.280 AI it plays a

01:03:31.780 small role and

01:03:32.520 still largely run

01:03:33.580 by people so if

01:03:35.520 that is his

01:03:36.160 argument well it's

01:03:37.320 got to actually

01:03:38.120 come into fruition

01:03:40.980 for that to be a

01:03:41.940 tangible argument

01:03:42.880 well he does

01:03:44.060 contrast it with the

01:03:45.320 dot-com bubble

01:03:46.260 sorry the dot-com

01:03:47.880 boom and the

01:03:48.700 bubble which then

01:03:49.420 popped and the

01:03:50.620 argument that he

01:03:51.220 presents is this

01:03:52.540 that period is

01:03:53.400 remembered as a

01:03:53.980 bubble because

01:03:54.460 thousands of

01:03:55.000 companies failed

01:03:55.660 but that

01:03:56.100 interpretation misses

01:03:57.020 the larger truth

01:03:57.940 the infrastructure

01:03:58.920 built during that

01:04:00.100 frenzy created the

01:04:01.100 modern internet

01:04:01.860 much of today's

01:04:02.940 economic output is

01:04:04.260 driven by a small

01:04:05.220 group of winners

01:04:05.900 companies like

01:04:06.840 Amazon Google and

01:04:08.080 Meta that emerged

01:04:09.260 from the wreckage

01:04:10.180 and now define the

01:04:11.500 S&P 500 so what

01:04:13.480 I'm getting from that

01:04:14.320 is the best that we

01:04:15.480 can hope for what

01:04:16.300 we can expect is

01:04:17.860 for a bunch a

01:04:19.640 series of government

01:04:21.120 backed censorious

01:04:22.560 monopolies to become

01:04:24.180 the market leaders in

01:04:25.520 control of all of

01:04:27.040 this and we can

01:04:27.880 guarantee that they

01:04:29.060 will be government

01:04:29.620 backed if they're

01:04:30.420 building the

01:04:30.900 infrastructure into

01:04:31.960 the governments

01:04:32.520 themselves and a

01:04:34.160 lot of these that we

01:04:34.940 can see here Amazon

01:04:36.260 well Jeff Bezos is

01:04:37.420 investing in it Google

01:04:38.780 heavily involved in

01:04:40.080 it Meta also

01:04:41.480 heavily involved in

01:04:42.440 it these are going to

01:04:43.340 be the same

01:04:44.240 monopolies that we

01:04:45.500 have already come to

01:04:46.660 know and love so

01:04:48.060 that's the best future

01:04:49.560 that we can look

01:04:50.560 forward to according

01:04:51.600 to this all of your

01:04:53.060 favorite government

01:04:53.980 backed monopolies will

01:04:55.520 have even more

01:04:56.900 control of your life

01:04:58.500 and Elon Musk is

01:04:59.740 hoping that he can

01:05:00.600 get ahead of all of

01:05:01.440 that so that he can

01:05:02.500 give you the pod

01:05:04.440 person bug man life

01:05:06.360 that you've always

01:05:07.300 been looking for

01:05:08.200 this frankly no

01:05:10.100 matter how it ends

01:05:11.600 up working isn't a

01:05:13.960 future that I was

01:05:15.180 looking forward to

01:05:16.680 and that's the best

01:05:17.740 way that I can put

01:05:18.540 it yep all right

01:05:20.820 we've got quite a few

01:05:21.640 rumble rants and

01:05:22.860 super chats so I'll

01:05:24.160 go through this

01:05:24.840 counterpoint on Harry

01:05:26.200 to Harry on AI the

01:05:27.220 Will Stancil show is

01:05:27.980 the greatest adult

01:05:28.720 cartoon comedy

01:05:29.480 running I'm aware of

01:05:31.840 it but frankly he's a

01:05:33.040 funny enough meme for

01:05:33.980 five minutes I'm not

01:05:34.840 going to watch a whole

01:05:35.440 show about him I mean

01:05:36.620 it's only short I don't

01:05:37.980 care it did make me

01:05:38.680 laugh I don't care

01:05:39.420 random name you should

01:05:40.740 watch a video called

01:05:41.360 the four types of

01:05:41.960 dystopia explains how

01:05:42.920 the merchant class and

01:05:43.660 mercenaries who will

01:05:44.340 sell the country for

01:05:45.000 profit and the

01:05:45.540 bureaucrat class

01:05:46.340 legislates to preserve

01:05:47.260 the system true

01:05:48.300 McLeod software can be

01:05:50.000 as theoretical as

01:05:50.720 possible but the real

01:05:51.460 world limits show up

01:05:52.700 Amazon is hiring

01:05:53.400 nuclear engineers to

01:05:54.300 try to power their

01:05:54.960 stuff never mind

01:05:56.000 Moore's law with

01:05:56.720 chips AI crash is

01:05:57.840 coming potentially

01:05:58.820 hapsification

01:05:59.940 Zinlord Firas 0.78

01:06:01.880 thank you

01:06:02.840 random name again

01:06:04.280 programmer here it is

01:06:05.380 easy to make an AI

01:06:06.300 that is either super

01:06:07.220 smart for hyper

01:06:07.900 specific tasks or

01:06:08.940 really retarded 0.99

01:06:09.640 overall the things

01:06:10.700 that are currently

01:06:11.300 labeled AI aren't

01:06:13.040 true AI I think it's

01:06:14.340 a bubble

01:06:14.700 Amandine 512 have

01:06:16.780 you guys seen the

01:06:17.400 circle with Tom

01:06:18.240 Hanks and the Harry

01:06:18.940 Potter girl it feels 0.80

01:06:19.780 more predictive every

01:06:20.620 year we advance

01:06:21.760 towards an AI

01:06:22.440 surveillance utopia I

01:06:23.520 do remember that

01:06:24.120 coming out my

01:06:24.720 missus watched it I

01:06:25.680 did not not just a

01:06:27.100 string if this

01:06:27.620 segment isn't AI

01:06:28.460 generated please show

01:06:29.480 me your fingers

01:06:30.180 everyone there you

01:06:32.260 go there you go

01:06:33.700 easy E on on super

01:06:35.300 chats also AI isn't a

01:06:36.720 bubble because there's

01:06:37.320 no normie at the

01:06:37.980 bottom to take the

01:06:38.560 financial losses this

01:06:39.800 is just normal

01:06:40.400 corporate inflation of

01:06:42.020 stock price yeah but

01:06:43.720 generally if everything

01:06:44.840 crashes all at once

01:06:46.020 with the stock market

01:06:47.160 and investments that

01:06:48.080 does end up affecting

01:06:48.960 the guy at the

01:06:49.560 bottom yes sadly just

01:06:51.840 like we saw in the

01:06:52.780 2008 recession Chris

01:06:54.860 H in the future one

01:06:56.640 solar flare can bring

01:06:57.720 it all down although

01:06:58.620 ignoring the sun in

01:06:59.600 their models isn't new

01:07:00.660 to these people cough

01:07:01.560 cough climate change

01:07:02.540 true easy E reminder

01:07:04.620 that most scientists

01:07:05.780 don't know more than

01:07:06.860 most people outside the

01:07:07.900 specific area of study

01:07:08.820 a constant frustration

01:07:09.660 of engineers is

01:07:10.440 explaining to them why

01:07:11.200 their predictions aren't

01:07:12.160 accurate I just want to

01:07:13.980 be out exploring space

01:07:15.660 Luke Stewart also your

01:07:18.600 argument of COVID kind

01:07:19.620 of fails because people

01:07:20.440 were locked in their

01:07:21.120 houses it wasn't that

01:07:21.980 they couldn't work they

01:07:22.760 just they couldn't go

01:07:23.700 ahead and live I

01:07:25.180 disagree frankly when

01:07:27.080 given the option to be

01:07:28.120 lazy people will be

01:07:29.400 lazy I think that

01:07:30.780 COVID is exactly what

01:07:32.580 a lot of people wanted

01:07:34.440 which was the excuse to

01:07:37.780 stay at home and play

01:07:38.660 video games and get fat

01:07:40.000 and not do anything with

01:07:41.140 their lives and if you

01:07:42.380 make that permanent then

01:07:45.040 that's not that's not

01:07:46.540 great Harry I agree it's

01:07:49.080 high-minded fantasy unless

01:07:50.200 we get the Terminator

01:07:50.960 result high-minded

01:07:52.500 dystopia then yes I'll

01:07:54.460 go through a few more

01:07:55.520 England needs strong

01:07:56.420 nationalism flags are

01:07:57.460 good mimetics but if

01:07:58.380 people don't

01:07:58.900 simultaneously reject the

01:08:00.000 interlopers while

01:08:00.620 gaining nationalism in

01:08:02.640 the UK will remain a 0.79

01:08:04.020 hotel for the world I

01:08:05.900 don't know what you're

01:08:06.360 so worried about Harry I

01:08:07.200 for one welcome our

01:08:07.880 cyberpunk overlords I

01:08:09.580 find Musk's view of the

01:08:10.520 world endearing and its

01:08:11.480 naivety money is

01:08:12.820 currency currency is

01:08:13.700 level of power for

01:08:14.380 states one they won't

01:08:15.380 choose to be abandoned

01:08:16.280 the game makers are

01:08:17.160 playing the game as

01:08:18.360 well good point good

01:08:19.820 day everyone I like AI

01:08:21.140 art because it will

01:08:21.900 allow me to create art

01:08:23.060 without with it having

01:08:24.360 to deal with the biases

01:08:25.380 of the creator bake the

01:08:26.900 gay wedding cake I

01:08:29.560 don't I don't know how

01:08:30.540 applicable that is here

01:08:31.660 you can just make art for

01:08:32.840 the sake of it you can

01:08:34.040 just make your own art

01:08:34.820 meant to say AI not not

01:08:37.480 I damn also I like the

01:08:39.060 idea of having not to

01:08:39.840 deal with the ideology or

01:08:40.900 conflict of the creator

01:08:41.860 as someone who sucks a 0.99

01:08:42.800 lot but has great ideas

01:08:44.060 and would like a scribe

01:08:45.160 to write or paint for

01:08:46.000 me sorry bro AI already

01:08:48.580 hates you most AI already

01:08:50.220 hates you anyway good

01:08:51.780 luck all the same yeah

01:08:52.740 good luck yeah thank you

01:08:54.240 uh so let's talk a little

01:08:56.060 bit about what socialists

01:08:57.420 get right because we want

01:08:59.020 to try to be charitable

01:08:59.980 towards these people uh and

01:09:01.860 try to sort of yeah yeah

01:09:04.240 yeah it's it's sort of a

01:09:06.140 requirement sorry uh but

01:09:08.820 before we go there um this

01:09:12.060 is about defending economic

01:09:13.180 pragmatism and about being

01:09:14.580 realistic when it comes to

01:09:16.220 economic questions and the

01:09:18.500 starting point here that I

01:09:19.520 want to talk about is where

01:09:20.680 we are right now in Britain as

01:09:22.160 an economy ridiculous energy

01:09:23.980 prices uh a completely

01:09:26.160 dysfunctional state that can't

01:09:27.860 achieve anything that it sets

01:09:29.120 its mind to do uh insane

01:09:31.460 levels of welfare this is a

01:09:34.140 breakdown of the spending of

01:09:36.220 the British government and

01:09:38.720 you see pensions around

01:09:40.700 225 billion healthcare 250

01:09:43.660 billion education 120

01:09:45.940 billion defense that

01:09:47.680 everybody likes to complain

01:09:48.500 about just 70 and then

01:09:50.360 actual welfare I don't know

01:09:52.260 why pensions weren't

01:09:53.160 included 188 billion and

01:09:55.680 then protection separate the

01:09:57.020 two out to make it huge uh

01:09:59.620 and then protection which

01:10:01.020 again means welfare uh at 50

01:10:03.600 billion so there is this

01:10:05.940 massive level of of spending

01:10:08.400 what's protection versus

01:10:09.900 defense uh protection isn't

01:10:12.740 about the policing that's

01:10:14.300 included in all other

01:10:15.820 spending protection is various

01:10:18.440 social safety nets so it's

01:10:20.780 another part of another part

01:10:22.040 of welfare just separated out

01:10:23.200 to make the number and

01:10:24.020 another part of welfare

01:10:24.880 another part of the only thing

01:10:25.920 I would keep here would be

01:10:27.660 the defense spending and

01:10:29.800 policing and maybe justice

01:10:31.520 yeah the rest of it as far as

01:10:33.220 I'm concerned we could save

01:10:35.020 trillions of government

01:10:36.860 spending I'm going to

01:10:38.160 disagree with you in a

01:10:38.980 second but I'll explain to

01:10:40.160 you why add to that around

01:10:42.140 three trillion in official

01:10:43.560 debt which is almost 100% of

01:10:45.880 GDP and then there is the

01:10:47.940 hidden um unfunded

01:10:50.520 liabilities that are also to

01:10:52.360 do with pensions mostly and

01:10:54.340 that might be three or four

01:10:55.640 times as much as the actual

01:10:57.180 debt so you're dealing with

01:10:59.000 debt to GDP that's in the

01:11:00.260 500 to 600 percent level

01:11:02.060 which is common across most

01:11:04.880 of Western Europe when you

01:11:06.520 think of the the insane

01:11:08.180 generosity of the welfare

01:11:10.380 system so there is something

01:11:13.120 fundamentally wrong here and

01:11:15.360 what is wrong is this massive

01:11:17.900 overspending the socialists

01:11:19.960 think that the answer must be

01:11:21.860 more social spending and more

01:11:24.500 taxation and more welfare if

01:11:28.500 this was going to solve

01:11:29.980 anything it would have

01:11:31.140 already but it didn't and it

01:11:33.320 won't the other issue that the

01:11:37.560 socialists get wrong is

01:11:39.240 immigration that this can be

01:11:41.140 sustained or paid for by

01:11:43.280 bringing in more and more

01:11:44.340 people who end up being net

01:11:46.440 drains because their tax

01:11:48.140 contributions over their

01:11:49.160 lifetime are much smaller than

01:11:51.980 what they take in government

01:11:53.600 services so this is the picture

01:11:56.820 that we have here and it's

01:11:58.560 worth understanding how did we

01:12:00.420 get here the British 1.00

01:12:02.560 government nationalized most

01:12:04.040 industries after the second

01:12:05.400 world war then it privatized

01:12:08.060 those industries the process in

01:12:10.440 which this happened was

01:12:11.660 basically they took a bunch of

01:12:13.580 successful entities be they in

01:12:16.120 health care various charities

01:12:17.720 that were providing health care

01:12:18.960 or in railroads or in mines or in

01:12:21.760 energy or in water and bundled

01:12:24.340 them together into centralized

01:12:26.040 entities 20 years later they

01:12:28.540 realized that this was a

01:12:29.480 disastrous decision then they

01:12:31.160 sold them off but instead of

01:12:32.800 selling them off into smaller

01:12:34.200 chunks that would be

01:12:35.740 competitive they sold them as is

01:12:39.340 as these massive conglomerates and

01:12:42.200 then they ended up capturing the

01:12:44.040 institutions that regulated them and

01:12:46.640 so you ended up with this weird

01:12:48.140 situation of excessive regulation

01:12:49.900 excessive concentration much less

01:12:53.440 distribution of wealth therefore

01:12:55.400 more inequality and then after the

01:12:58.380 privatizations an insane level of

01:13:00.760 regulation and with the DEI and

01:13:03.420 net zero that regulation truly became

01:13:06.660 incredibly destructive to the

01:13:08.840 extent that Britain has pretty much

01:13:10.280 lost its industrial base

01:13:11.520 British steel is collapsing it's ended

01:13:14.140 up only owned by China Tata steel

01:13:16.400 boats bought some steel mills ended up

01:13:18.240 selling them off Britain doesn't make 0.99

01:13:20.240 anything anymore so the total that the

01:13:24.000 actual examination of this picture

01:13:26.480 does agree with what the welfare

01:13:30.640 socialists say that there is too much

01:13:32.800 inequality too much poverty too many

01:13:34.500 people are suffering but as usual all of

01:13:37.120 the solutions that they prescribe for it

01:13:38.560 are wrong except for one except for one

01:13:42.400 because there were countries that did get

01:13:45.680 out of being severely de-industrialized and

01:13:49.320 extremely weakened economically and found

01:13:52.860 a way out and what these countries are are

01:13:56.120 essentially the various Asian miracle

01:13:57.740 countries Japan Korea China Singapore Hong

01:14:02.380 Kong etc what they all had in common was a 0.77

01:14:06.720 very high level of cooperation between the

01:14:10.240 the public sector and the private sector and

01:14:13.480 the way that this relationship worked was

01:14:15.680 basically the government would set out a

01:14:18.820 bunch of industries and technologies that

01:14:21.580 they wanted to support and finance and

01:14:24.280 help develop they set out bits of

01:14:27.620 infrastructure that they wanted to build they

01:14:30.620 basically made a plan but they didn't

01:14:34.540 follow the full central planning approach of

01:14:38.160 early China and the Soviet Union it was more of a

01:14:41.580 dialogue between the big businesses and the

01:14:45.160 oligarchs on the one side and the state and 1.00

01:14:49.500 so in a country like Japan you had the

01:14:51.600 Ministry of Industry and Transportation

01:14:55.800 MITI these guys did an incredible job they

01:14:59.860 worked on finding markets for Japanese

01:15:02.020 companies they employed a level of

01:15:04.400 protectionism for their own economy they then

01:15:07.820 went with export-led growth in order to develop

01:15:11.320 their economy and it succeeded to the extent

01:15:15.060 that Japan was stuck producing third and

01:15:18.440 fourth-rate goods in the 1950s and by the

01:15:21.640 1980s it was it was the second largest economy

01:15:24.380 in the world and competing with the United

01:15:26.640 States and causing all kinds of troubles for

01:15:28.840 American manufacturers the Koreans followed 0.99

01:15:33.040 pretty much the same approach in 1962 this was a

01:15:37.660 destroyed economy they had they were operating on

01:15:40.920 subsistence level to the extent that in 1950

01:15:43.660 Sudan and and South Korea had the same living

01:15:47.700 standards this is how bad it was in South Korea and

01:15:52.280 then the South Korean government decided that we are

01:15:54.740 going to pursue a policy that is aimed at building up our

01:15:58.900 industrial capacity and this policy was supported with a combination of loans and

01:16:04.480 financing and market access and so on and so forth and industrial policy

01:16:10.320 succeeded they really made a great job and now South Korean cars are competing with

01:16:16.920 everybody South Korean chips are indispensable South Korean phones are

01:16:20.900 market leaders they took their GDP per capita from 87 dollars in the 60s 87 dollars to

01:16:33.440 10,000 15,000 20,000 dollars this was the extent of their success and it was

01:16:40.260 neither the Soviet or early Chinese pure state control but it was also not free

01:16:48.900 market libertarianism it was not economic liberalism that did not succeed that did

01:16:54.700 not build them what they did manage to do was create a level of cooperation

01:17:00.060 between industries and the state you could go on and read about this I've given

01:17:06.780 you a bunch of links here and China did something very similar it China went

01:17:11.980 through different phases according to Philip Pilkington six different phases of

01:17:16.500 development the first one is a complete failure where all they did was just we're

01:17:21.360 gonna invest in as much infrastructure and industry as we could and then people

01:17:26.640 starved and died under Mao and then Deng Xiaobing came over basically he had been

01:17:33.960 kicked out of political life and then he became the leader of China and he

01:17:38.160 inverted that and adopted economic pragmatism and when you look at where

01:17:42.780 Britain is today it's this level of economic pragmatism that's needed but

01:17:48.000 it's happening now under very different conditions because the economic

01:17:51.880 pragmatism of the various Asian Giants was predicated on there being an endless 0.98

01:17:59.100 expansion of globalism and more and more market access being given to Asia into

01:18:05.500 Europe and the United States this phase is done and any British policymaker has to realize this the

01:18:13.840 Americans want to prioritize their own market the EU wants to prioritize its own market the Japanese are 1.00

01:18:19.000 always going to be protectionist so we're going to our South Koreans tariffs are coming back

01:18:23.500 tariffs are coming back so there is this level of realism that's needed but this level of realism was very present in Britain's own

01:18:32.500 industrial revolution it was mostly privately led but when things like the

01:18:39.700 canal mania happened where Britain pretty much connected all of its industrial hubs

01:18:45.400 with canals and allowed the very rapid transportation of goods between different

01:18:51.340 locations this was done through acts of Parliament that helped the financiers of the

01:18:58.840 canals so it was three steps really to summarize the first step was somebody very clever with

01:19:06.580 usually self-taught and engineering would decide on a canal route they would go to Parliament and get

01:19:13.340 that approved and allow for the acquisition of land and the acquisition of resources then they'd go to

01:19:18.760 investors and get that privately funded why because Britain is never going to be this kind of centrally led economy

01:19:25.240 it's just not in the nature of the English to be this subservient to the state they don't work this

01:19:32.440 way we shed tinkerers yes yes so it was a combination of the shed tinkerers and the government working on

01:19:41.640 supporting them and allowing them to become rich so it's extremely similar if you wanted to think of the British

01:19:48.040 the British temperament is extremely similar to how the Chinese are operating today they're defining the

01:19:53.320 technologies that they want they're defining the objectives that they want and then the state is

01:19:58.520 providing the loans and the financing and the backing and this can happen to to Britain as well and this kind

01:20:06.040 of semi-planning with a level of competition does work but it requires the shedding of ideology the shedding of

01:20:16.040 socialist ideology that says that the state must control all of the means of production and the

01:20:22.280 shedding of libertarian ideology that says no no the state has no role in the allocation of capital

01:20:28.200 the state should have a role and should have objectives and should have policies and these

01:20:32.440 policies should be geared at what the state is supposed to do defending the homeland being able to raise an

01:20:37.320 army being able to kill enemies the thing to remember is when this happened when the building

01:20:45.560 of canals happened which coincided with the napoleonic wars the total take of the British government out of

01:20:51.800 the economy was between 9 and 20 percent now 45 percent of the British economy is controlled by the state

01:21:02.920 and it's mostly wasted on welfare so the socialists are partly right some level of cooperation between the state

01:21:12.280 and the economic leaders is warranted and the state does have a role in the allocation of capital

01:21:20.280 but not this insane welfarism and not this insane taxation i'm going to preempt two things that i know

01:21:27.560 people are going to comment go on one of them is uh i'm sure people are going to point out uh japan's

01:21:33.320 very high debt to gdp ratio yes sort of known which came after the 80s that's true yes which came after the 80s it came after

01:21:41.560 the economic miracle had passed and then they had their lost decade of the 1990s

01:21:47.320 essentially and they've been in lost decade after lost decade since then more or less

01:21:53.080 that's also a function of the collapse in birth rates in japan and the collapse in demographics and

01:21:59.240 they've decided to just fund the elderly through welfare not through industrial policy in order

01:22:05.160 to pay for that so yes there are possible traps in that and the trap is doing exactly what Britain is

01:22:11.880 doing today and i know someone in the comments is going to point out that well um some liberals uh

01:22:18.840 liberal economists or free market economists or libertarians um argue that you need protectionism

01:22:25.160 when business is emerging and then when it flourishes in a specific industry then you can

01:22:29.800 open up to um the market which is limited things i i can also respond to that which is um

01:22:37.800 what leading industries do we have yeah we don't have any industries that we can open the markets

01:22:46.200 there is none because the whole point of that is you build up build up your industries so that they are

01:22:50.760 able to compete and this isn't necessarily but libertarian this is more like alexander hamilton

01:22:56.440 um almost guild uh protectionist politics um mercantilism even yeah mercantilism you build up those

01:23:04.360 industries internally until they can compete on the global stage then you open up the markets so that

01:23:10.760 you're able to out compete other industries hopefully put them out of business and force them into being

01:23:16.760 uh reciprocal to you look with the geopolitics of today and with the western demographics of today

01:23:23.960 it might end up being that europe and her daughters that is europe latin america north america etc 0.93

01:23:31.000 australia decide that they are forming one trade zone and they are competing against each other in that zone

01:23:39.240 and within each country there's a level of tinkering there's a level of specialization etc

01:23:43.400 it's it's it's one way of turning the west around essentially a more unified christendom

01:23:53.080 more or less that accepts that its civilizational enemies are going to be the muslim world and china 0.99

01:23:59.640 which to to to be honest about it that's very much what the civilizational enemies of the west are

01:24:04.920 always going to be in the in the world that we live in so there is room for that there is room for

01:24:11.800 something along these lines so long as you don't end up putting all of your industries in the united

01:24:17.480 states um having them all be in china is not much much worse way worse exactly exactly and notice i

01:24:26.520 don't mention india as a civilizational competitor for obvious reasons um so there is a there is something

01:24:33.800 to say about how the geopolitics of trade have changed and how there is a need for christendom to

01:24:41.800 recognize itself as chris as christendom because having polish immigrants turned out to be a blessing 1.00

01:24:47.560 compared to all of the other alternatives uh and and you've personally experienced that comparatively

01:24:54.280 comparatively they still they still like a lot of them still like their welfare fair enough a lot of

01:25:00.200 them still like their welfare although i'd argue that now it's a bigger problem with the bulgarians

01:25:04.520 and the romanians but that's true that's true there was there was still problems even when it's

01:25:08.600 somewhere as culturally close as poland there were still huge problems josh might remember this cast

01:25:15.480 your mind back to the mid-2000s of course where they would come and they would create their own little

01:25:20.120 ethnic enclaves and there would be ethnic divisions there one of the schools in the town that i grew up

01:25:26.360 had riots because of polish versus english tensions yep that were going on so it it can still create 0.61

01:25:33.880 problems even with people as close to us as that i would say i would say the the scandinavians and

01:25:41.480 germans and and uh people more along those lines don't go into our country and form their own ethnic

01:25:49.400 enclaves anywhere near as badly yep fair enough fair enough i think it's a matter of scale isn't it if a

01:25:54.840 large enough number of people turn up on mass they form their own communities and that's not to

01:26:00.520 disparage all poles like you say it's just it's just a matter of scales it's a matter of human nature

01:26:06.520 we do it in spain it's it's also a matter of human nature people naturally congregate around people who

01:26:11.160 speak their own languages but the point the last point that i want to make uh given the time is that

01:26:17.000 this is only possible in all of these countries where there is energy abundance where there is

01:26:24.600 plentiful of cheap and reliable energy so if you're going to pursue anything like that um you must have

01:26:33.400 an insane explosion in the amount of energy that is being produced in britain and you must have

01:26:40.040 exploitation of oil gas coal in order to transition to nuclear you need to have national security on

01:26:47.320 that as well you can't be national security has to be a top priority in energy you can't outsource your

01:26:53.320 energy production uh britain's standard of living pretty much stagnated right after it stopped being

01:27:01.400 a net energy exporter you have to have a huge amount of abundant energy and if you pair that with very

01:27:08.760 basic things like letting schools be academically selective like letting schools base train for

01:27:15.960 talent as opposed to for ideology with this kind of talented population and with energy and with some

01:27:23.640 cooperation between the state and capital there can be an industrial revival and if the right wants to

01:27:30.360 win it has to address the economic question not just the national question and this is what

01:27:38.680 really missing in the vision of the right and that's why with somebody like nigel faraj who is 0.97

01:27:44.040 essentially just a thatcherite this isn't going to be enough there has to be a full-on attack on the 0.98

01:27:52.600 left's economic agenda they're saying let's just tax and spend the answer must be let's build wealth and

01:27:58.920 part of building wealth in the countries that have succeeded has involved a very high level of cooperation

01:28:05.480 between government and capital owners uh this is oligarchy to some extent but so long as you

01:28:12.680 discipline the oligarchs and they're afraid of the state you can make this into a into a winning formula

01:28:18.600 it needs to be i i said this on a recent podcast it needs to be guided in the interests of the nation

01:28:24.840 the nation itself being the people of a particular time a particular place and ancestry it needs to be

01:28:32.120 in their benefit rather than the benefit of the bottom line of these companies exactly solely

01:28:39.240 exactly exactly exactly exactly and that's all the time that we have for this segment

01:28:45.320 well i'll read a couple of comments yeah i think that was really interesting okay so we'll uh go

01:28:50.040 through uh we've got a few rumble rants random name great podcast gents amazing segments thank you

01:28:55.480 very much thank you for taking the time to read all super chats i always try to don't want to

01:29:00.360 shortchange people here's five dollars monopoly money canadian oof though not for you harry

01:29:07.400 you got your pot of gold waiting thanks when did harry become a leprechaun i i i missed something

01:29:13.400 since people decided that i was ginger ah egregiously wrongly gaily yeah low no no your hair decided

01:29:23.320 logan reminder forget uh forgot the promises of progress yeah house vacation i've been using

01:29:29.960 that uk public public spending website for years as a way to get me depressed uh you should see the

01:29:35.960 covid years i can now inform you guys i'm thoroughly depressed yippee you don't need to go to that

01:29:41.320 website you've got a podcast you know that's progress you've progressed from one stage of

01:29:46.760 depression to the next so you're welcome do we have any video comments harry

01:29:55.240 we don't have any video comments screw it let's go over by five or so minutes let's read a few of these

01:30:00.120 uh website comments as well josh do you want to go through yours of course um sophie live says yeah

01:30:05.400 these people don't understand that we are now at a point where if a politician openly states he's racist

01:30:10.200 in favor of white people that would be a vote winner as no one in power seems to have the corner of

01:30:15.000 poor white people at all it's not just poor white people middle class um white people in britain in

01:30:20.520 particular yep have been squeezed perhaps the most um of anyone and that's not just me you know being

01:30:26.520 self-interested but yeah we could show you our pay slips to demonstrate but we won't

01:30:33.000 uh kevin fox says if i were nigel i would explain the comments were made when i was 13 right after

01:30:38.840 keir starlin explains why for a ukrainian rent boy set fire to his old house in a car

01:30:43.400 um if he uh won't i wouldn't um yeah where is that where where is the explanation for the rent

01:30:51.080 boys that story is buried deeper than something demand answers keir harry demands video footage i demand the

01:31:02.520 live leaks dear me jimbo g says honestly sick of even hearing the word racist at this point

01:31:14.360 they think literally everything is racist so who cares correct like when dealing with colonialism

01:31:19.720 the only time they acknowledge the english race is when it's being used as a stick to beat you with

01:31:24.200 yeah i i like pointing this out that the english as an ethnicity only exists when we're being racist or

01:31:30.840 colonial so basically when we're being better than other people or when they're trying to extort us

01:31:35.080 for reparations that's still related to colonialism isn't it i put it under the same umbrella i always

01:31:40.760 i always like to think you know like um oh so you're you're british just like that so we can split

01:31:45.160 the bill then yeah right and when who who's that actually going to in that case if all of these

01:31:52.040 people are just as british as i am my favorite thing is to bring up people you know particularly with

01:31:56.600 online indians who are perhaps some of the most annoying nationals online um i bring up the the 1.00

01:32:01.720 fact that many indians participated in colonialism in india you're going to demand reparations this is 0.76

01:32:06.920 funny that you don't this is something that we should remind the irish as well when they're kvetching

01:32:12.280 as they like to do which is the irish were also heavily involved in colonialism as red shirts and other

01:32:20.360 and other administrators we're very grateful for you for that and yes it was glorious and don't be

01:32:24.840 ashamed so stop shirking your own responsibility there you stupid mix uh ed milliband harnessing 0.99

01:32:32.120 enoch's spinning grave uh brilliant uh brilliant bowie wrote a prophetic song about this 50 years

01:32:40.840 ago called save your machine ai will destroy humanity not by killing us but by creating so 0.99

01:32:45.240 much peace and abundance that it drives us insane it begins with president joe once had a dream

01:32:50.840 sleepy joe much i do love some david bowie richard schmier elon is right whether you think that

01:32:57.400 makes him marxist or a bug man or not or whether you think he's even saying it's a desirable outcome

01:33:02.120 or not if ai continues to improve that is a big if as we've spoken about and with some programmers in

01:33:09.320 here have said as well whether ai is actually intelligent is still up for question whether it's

01:33:15.480 capable of doing all of these things that he thinks it is and says it will be is still a huge

01:33:20.840 question that is unanswered there will eventually come a point where ai can do literally every job

01:33:25.880 there'll be nothing for people to do and no reason for them to do it the economy will collapse and

01:33:30.200 people will turn to hedonism to get through the day while elon keeps making these predictions i don't

01:33:35.080 recall him ever saying that this is the outcome that he wants in fact i'm pretty sure he said he'd rather

01:33:40.360 we don't have ai at all but if it must happen it must be our ai and not china's i don't believe

01:33:46.760 that this isn't an outcome that elon wants because for one he is a technocrat and technocrats all adhere

01:33:53.400 to the same technocratic logic and mentality so i do disagree with you there and um i've got to say

01:34:01.400 that is not a rosy picture of the future that we are painting here there's a reason it is being

01:34:06.440 compared with the tower of babel if it's going to cause all of humanity to collapse maybe it isn't

01:34:12.280 something that is worth pursuing there's also one job ai will never be able to take which is

01:34:17.400 human advocate against ai it might surprise you it might surprise you uh sam western harry talking of

01:34:25.960 socialist utopians with insane ideals and visions look up king camp gillette the founder of the company

01:34:31.960 that would eventually become gillette and his outline for a mega city called metropolis in a

01:34:36.280 book he wrote called the human drift available on amazon he explained among other things that would

01:34:42.200 not only be uh that would not only possess a perfect economical system of production and

01:34:47.400 distribution ran by a united company but would also be powered by niagara falls that's very

01:34:53.720 interesting yeah interesting do you want to read through some of yours yeah sure uh sophie live says

01:34:58.680 well even then these tactics can't have been that good you just went ahead and listed the three

01:35:03.080 countries with the lowest birth rate yeah no i agree with you it doesn't solve the human problem

01:35:08.920 the human problem is a spiritual problem and that's separate from the economic problem but yes you're

01:35:13.560 you're absolutely right uh cumbrian kulak says i'd advise one of you to read the welfare trait how

01:35:20.520 state benefits impact personality by dr adam perkins psychiatrist so you might like him josh okay

01:35:25.800 might not like him it says i'm not a big fan of psychiatry but okay i do admit that sometimes

01:35:31.560 they can have good ideas so i'm not a zealot necessarily okay it's a very succinct book full

01:35:36.600 of data quite a tiring book not cheap ed dutton references it a lot okay uh grant gibson let's

01:35:44.680 talk about what the socialists get right immediately lists this like seven things come on yes yeah

01:35:50.840 you didn't expect me to become a socialist did you uh but they're right that there is an economic

01:35:55.000 problem also worth noting what caliber of polls went to britain they have a bad reputation in

01:36:00.440 both in poland too that's a fair point like i said i'm not trying to smear all polls with that

01:36:06.040 uh i have heard from a few people now you're reminding me that yeah it was a lot of the

01:36:09.800 scrounging polls that poland didn't want to come over but that's the same when you've got a welfare

01:36:13.960 state that's open to the world that's the same even with the islamic countries laughing at us 1.00

01:36:18.280 going like thanks for taking all our criminal suckers yeah pretty much like it keeps happening

01:36:23.000 that's why we need to stop giving welfare to the world's criminals yeah uh roman observer says same 1.00

01:36:30.040 thing happened in italy they had a mixed economy in the 50s and 60s and then privatization and

01:36:34.840 de-industrialization in the 90s it's it's it's a real problem like industry and keeping people employed is

01:36:41.800 should be a top state priority and nobody on the right is addressing that and we've got two more

01:36:47.320 honorable mentions from daniel butchers and zesty king both saying happy birthday zesty says now

01:36:52.760 you're 30 you're officially old i felt it before but now it's nice to have a formal title i can't

01:36:58.840 believe how young you people are well thank you i'm not making me feel younger already yeah you'll get

01:37:04.600 there harry that's quicker than i'd like as well finally your ginger hair will go gray you guys can

01:37:11.240 keep just like coping and telling yourself that i'm ginger but what do you what do you identify as

01:37:16.760 blonde ah it doesn't matter i've got lots of redheads in my family my hair goes a little bit 1.00

01:37:20.840 red in the sun so it's nothing to be ashamed of just come out and proud as ginger harry i'm not

01:37:24.920 saying i'm ashamed i'm saying that it's just not true oh you're in you're deep in the ginger closet 0.92

01:37:29.560 and uh oh that's a random name said it's always better to be a ginger than an anagram of one and

01:37:37.400 on that note i think that's where we should end thank you all very much for joining us today i think

01:37:43.480 it's been a a good time so we'll see you again tomorrow uh where we can depress you even more

01:37:49.560 have a great day folks

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The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - November 20, 2025

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