The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1304

00:00:00.000 hello everyone welcome to the glorious and renowned podcast of the lotus eaters today

00:00:05.160 is wednesday the 26th of november this is episode 1304 i'm your host brother stelios and i'm joined

00:00:13.220 today by brother harry brother luca i don't think 1300 1304 you've confused me now 1304 no you said

00:00:22.460 1304 but carry on carry 1304 it's a it's a big number right there you go yes and we are going

00:00:29.620 to discuss about the latest ukraine peace deal labor taking away jury trial and how law enforcement

00:00:37.360 is racist we know the budget has just been announced about half an hour ago or at least

00:00:43.060 that is what i have been told uh no we've not had a chance to look over it yet so we're not covering

00:00:48.020 it today dan is covering it on the podcast tomorrow and doing a brokonomics on it and i think we're

00:00:53.820 going to fast track that brokonomics from what samson has told me so that should come out soon

00:00:57.740 so that we can get a full in-depth look at that samson has warned us he might just do a like

00:01:02.280 budget watch thing budget black pills yeah budget black pills there you go every so often where he

00:01:08.540 might just chime in with something that's happened with this budget i'm hoping that this is going to

00:01:12.980 be like a complete turn around uh you know like uh baby face turn where actually all of our taxes are

00:01:20.360 reduced and the welfare state is slowly stripped away and they announce that they're all going back but

00:01:25.640 wouldn't hold your breath i doubt it i doubt it are you gonna take us take our breath away

00:01:33.200 let me let me have a coffee first god still it's in such a rush i'm europe maxing over here god

00:01:39.940 that's absolutely awesome and i recommend it thank you very much if only i had a cigarette

00:01:47.280 anyway all right so uh we're going to talk about the latest ukraine peace deal which has been put

00:01:54.000 forward and supposedly accepted according to reports coming from the white house insiders

00:02:01.680 insiders within the government who are reporting to cbs but let's go through a little bit of the

00:02:06.520 backstory of the past week the events that have led up to this what could be a historic moment where

00:02:13.820 russia and ukraine mediated by the united states might be able to actually end the war so first of all

00:02:21.740 last week we had the announcement that trump had put forward this 28 point

00:02:26.500 ukraine peace plan which was reported in full this copy uh was leaked and obtained by the associated

00:02:36.000 press and it immediately caused a lot of controversy because a lot of people said that it was favoring

00:02:41.780 the russians it was supposedly drafted i believe it was drafted by steve witkoff in collaboration with

00:02:49.560 jared kushner the american negotiators and a kremlin official kirill dmitriev one of uh putin's right

00:02:57.520 hand men the agreement was detailed to the ap by an unnamed senior u.s official that does seem

00:03:04.620 regarding this leak to be a number of agents behind the scenes actors behind the scenes who are trying

00:03:11.820 to leak as much as possible to the press possibly as a way of stymieing peace negotiations but we don't

00:03:17.960 know for certain right now it does not obligate the u.s or european allies to intervene on ukraine's

00:03:23.400 behalf although it says that they would determine the measures necessary to restore security the most

00:03:27.920 important points were laid out as that the ukraine would not be allowed to join nato eu membership would

00:03:34.840 be on the table though and elections must be held in ukraine within 100 days this goes to the idea that

00:03:43.740 people have been pointing to for a while that it appears that vance and trump would like and the

00:03:48.760 americans in general would like zelensky out of office as soon as possible once the war is over

00:03:55.840 and ukraine's army would have to be capped at 600 000 troops compared to its current 880 000 troops

00:04:03.500 and some frozen russian russian assets i believe 100 billion dollars worth would go towards rebuilding

00:04:10.300 ukraine while sanctions on russia would be lifted and moscow and washington would enter in a series of

00:04:15.280 long-term economic arrangements most of which seem engineered in such a way to make sure that the

00:04:20.920 united states can profit massively over reconstruction in the affected areas where there's been infrastructure

00:04:29.280 and other kind of damage done obviously the one that most people are complaining about is the cap to

00:04:34.820 the ukrainian army the lack of direct nato intervention and the fact that a number of the

00:04:40.860 oblasts all of the currently occupied oblasts are said to be have you you just have to give them up

00:04:48.180 russia takes them a lot of people are angry at the idea that russia has essentially won in this scenario

00:04:54.000 which is why people were saying that this particular peace agreement which as far as we know is not the

00:04:59.000 one that has been accepted although it may have been uh they were saying that this one was supporting

00:05:05.540 russia this one favored russia too much so more in depth some of the points that were made in this one

00:05:11.640 which was uh number 12 the powerful global package of measures to rebuild ukraine including but not

00:05:20.380 limited to the creation of a ukraine development fund to invest in fast-growing industries including

00:05:25.580 technology data centers and artificial intelligence the united states would cooperate with ukraine to

00:05:31.220 jointly rebuild develop modernize and operate ukraine's gas infrastructure including pipelines

00:05:36.340 and storage facilities joint efforts to rehabilitate war affected areas for the restoration

00:05:41.120 reconstruction and modernization of cities and residential areas infrastructure development and

00:05:45.900 extraction of minerals and natural resources the world bank will develop a special financing package

00:05:51.240 to accelerate these efforts again so the united states heavy involvement in this as well as russia's

00:05:58.780 reintegration into the global economy in point for uh point 13 and then the point 14 that being the

00:06:06.700 frozen funds being used 100 billion dollars in frozen russian assets invested in u.s led efforts to rebuild

00:06:13.620 and invest in ukraine wherein the u.s will receive 50 percent of the profits from this venture

00:06:21.040 so with the u.s wrapping so much of itself up in this whole deal people say that this one was overly

00:06:28.820 overly uh favorable to the russians to me this seems like the u.s raiding ukraine i i understand i

00:06:37.860 understand i understand why but they have definitely put this uh together in such a way that the u.s

00:06:43.580 financially benefits as much as possible i mean from this from my perspective this uh

00:06:50.960 i don't know i don't know if i'd use this word because if you are financing someone during a war

00:06:55.780 if you are supporting an ally during a war then most probably yeah you will have some benefits

00:07:02.520 after the war ends of course it's not it it was never no strings attached there was this

00:07:08.260 there was this mistaken idea that the u.s helps its allies without strings attached no there are strings

00:07:14.900 no and they only did that for starlin yeah but i mean of course but but also on the other bit it

00:07:19.720 doesn't seem to me to be that bad if that from my perspective if they have helped ukraine but also

00:07:27.200 the eu has helped ukraine and they get something in return and they help build and rebuild ukraine

00:07:33.300 they are assisting the effort of you know building something it's not that it's not that they only take

00:07:40.700 and haven't given some would argue one of the only reasons that the u.s was getting ukraine to fight

00:07:47.560 this war in the first place was in the hopes that they could have all of these strings attached at the

00:07:52.960 other end some some would argue some would argue that they were doing it to purely weaken russia

00:07:57.580 and fight the proxy war with russia others may say that this was a combination of factors

00:08:03.480 one of the and speaking of which the idea of potential further vassalization for ukraine

00:08:10.440 as a buffer state between russia and the rest of europe supported by america one of the most

00:08:17.500 interesting points that i didn't see a lot of people mentioning here was point 20 which goes into the

00:08:25.620 idea of social engineering as is so popular within american empire vassal states

00:08:33.460 that being both countries undertake to implement educational programs in schools and society

00:08:39.820 aimed at promoting understanding and tolerance of different cultures and eliminating racism and

00:08:46.160 prejudice the ukraine will adopt eu rules on religious tolerance and the protection of linguistic

00:08:51.520 minorities both countries will agree to abolish all discriminatory measures and guarantee the rights of

00:08:57.380 ukrainian russia and russian media and education all nazi ideology and activity

00:09:02.940 activities must be rejected and prohibited which i assume is based almost entirely around the uh

00:09:08.620 notorious as of battalion but this uh broad language about racism and prejudice

00:09:14.400 and the knowledge that ukraine has lost a lot of young men at this uh and there has been a long

00:09:22.300 joke a long-running joke amongst some that in the end ukraine may have been fighting for drag queen story

00:09:29.060 hour and endless bemalians this makes me worry that the joke might have been correct now i can understand

00:09:36.700 and there are revisions that can be made but this feels very much uh an imposition of american multicultural

00:09:45.360 uh ideas upon an eastern european framework i'm a bit hesitant to say that this is the case i'm not saying

00:09:53.220 you're wrong uh just uh i'm just going to suspend judgment because racism is racism isn't just something

00:09:59.900 like this is absolutely warranted the way that america's vassals have have uh have have developed

00:10:06.020 the reason i'm saying this is because racism and prejudice isn't just white black black white we can talk

00:10:12.460 about all sorts of minorities that could be in the region and all sorts of ethnicities that see each

00:10:19.320 other in sorts of different ways and this could be a sort of attempt to mediate between them because

00:10:26.040 there are russians in ukraine there are ukrainians in in russia and even more ethnicists so there is a

00:10:32.820 kind of attempt to create reconciliation i don't think that eastern europe suffers so much from the the kind

00:10:40.740 of migration that uh we're criticizing on on a daily basis but it it is a possibility it is a

00:10:48.060 it it it doesn't but it could yeah also and it will be used something like this the decimation

00:10:55.560 to ukraine's infrastructure and population in the same way that we are now told narratives in the uk

00:11:03.160 about how the blitz necessitated the windrush generation and migration coming over to rebuild

00:11:10.960 the country and we are now told that they were essential to rebuilding the country i see this as that

00:11:16.540 same wedge issue i am i i agree with that that's what i was just about to say and also to your

00:11:22.040 point stelios about the sort of like uh particular nature of uh race and uh ethnicity in eastern europe

00:11:29.760 of course uh that may well be true were it that uh russia and ukraine were left on their own to create

00:11:36.860 their own educational programs for those purposes but because as harry says here this seems to be an

00:11:42.280 position top down by the united states how could there not be no i'm not saying that there isn't

00:11:48.680 i'm just saying that right now we're talking about two superpowers and ukraine and they are trying to

00:11:54.940 mediate on a leadership position for the next day and if you're helping someone throughout a war

00:12:01.900 and you're going to be there when they rebuild it's not that that much to ask for

00:12:08.320 some some benefit in the rebuilding process oh no i understand that i'm talking about the idea

00:12:14.940 of course it could backfire i'm talking about the ideological imposition that i'm reading

00:12:21.440 into this which i think is not it's not that difficult but you can you can also yeah it can

00:12:27.000 also and i do agree that this is a this is a um a likelihood that this is an attempt to prevent

00:12:34.340 resurgent nationalisms within minority groups in the area who might split away break away trying to

00:12:42.420 prevent something like this happening in the future in the same way that all of these oblasts in the

00:12:47.140 east of ukraine were before this war broke out claimed by russia as breakaway sovereign states that

00:12:53.380 were only recognized by the russian federation but there are some steps towards um aligning ukraine with

00:13:00.900 with the u.s because when you are a country under the sphere of influence of a superpower that

00:13:07.180 superpower wants wants you to have essentially the system that they have which i think is is what

00:13:13.900 you're talking about well yes i but i i just see that system as a terrible system that destroys your

00:13:20.260 country and culture i mean if and and again for for me the pros and cons the the interesting thing is

00:13:28.380 i i don't think there's much pro to being wrapped into the cultural ideology of the the the gay

00:13:35.540 as it's known the global american empire i think that's a it's a um it's an acidic i mean also being

00:13:42.460 under it's the ideology that we've been russia would wouldn't be particularly good for them all

00:13:46.620 i know i just think it's a bad imposition and i'm just saying that's that's the whole ideology that

00:13:51.820 we've been arguing against for years on this podcast so i'm not going to say that it would be a good

00:13:56.680 thing for ukraine who have done so much to try to carve themselves out their own identity including

00:14:02.780 fighting this war to then have that subsumed by a global superpower forcing their ideology on top of

00:14:10.340 it but that might just be me reading into it the interesting thing is that when the european member

00:14:15.720 states put forward a counter proposal because again they said that this was far too favorable towards

00:14:21.800 russia that that particular point was changed and instead of using very loaded ideological language

00:14:28.420 like racism prejudice they changed that point to more succinctly say uh you know that there will not

00:14:35.860 be any action taken against linguistic minorities in your territories which i think is actually a much

00:14:42.380 better and less divisive way of wording that kind of agreement when you're talking about an area

00:14:48.040 like eastern europe if anything it surprises me with how careful europe have been on that one you'd

00:14:54.340 expect the roles to be reversed and that washington will be um more careful and europe would still

00:15:00.740 because europe uh in their minds still far more woke than washington are i mean you might think so i

00:15:07.340 would disagree um but either either way those whole those whole points may not even matter in the first

00:15:14.340 place uh because after this there were further negotiations taken on in switzerland on sunday led

00:15:21.480 by the u.s secretary of state marco rubio and zielinski's chief of staff andry yermak i apologize if i'm

00:15:28.540 pronouncing these names wrong the plan was substantially revised only down to 19 points rather than 28 from the

00:15:36.400 reports that i was looking at i couldn't find anything that specified which points were changed which may have

00:15:42.040 been revised which were taken out entirely so we can just say that assumedly ukraine would have tried to

00:15:48.900 change this more in their own favor perhaps some concessions with nato troops on the ground because keir starmer has

00:15:55.880 said explicitly that no peace can happen without some kind of nato peace force on the ground in the

00:16:02.600 transitionary period which only makes uh only makes sense i think that they may be trying to play good cup bad cup

00:16:09.860 and i think most probably my reading of the situation is that the european trump and the european leaders

00:16:16.780 have agreed behind closed doors that's a speculation that they're going to have more hawkish language and

00:16:24.300 trump is going to tell putin listen to these guys i'm going to be more partial to you let's end this

00:16:30.620 well he's trying to uh just get negotiations going through with both sides because these kinds of

00:16:36.520 negotiations were the original points were done with russia now ukraine has their chance to look over

00:16:43.940 it and it's uh many are pointing out out of the deal out of the deal make something bombastic and

00:16:51.040 out there and a bit unreasonable so that anything that you work back from will appear much much more

00:16:57.980 reasonable in comparison so ukraine had their chance to look over things and then we had the surprise news

00:17:05.440 on tuesday just yesterday uh stating that ukraine this was an exclusive for cbs agreed to a peace

00:17:13.080 proposal we do not know the specifics of that peace proposal if it was this new 19 point revised

00:17:19.000 peace policy that they had negotiated supposedly on sunday this was an update from a u.s official who

00:17:27.320 spoke to cbs news saying that ukraine's government had agreed to a peace deal excuse me brokered by the

00:17:34.060 trump administration to stop russia's nearly four year assault the american official and ukraine's

00:17:38.780 national security advisor rustem umarev said a common understanding on a proposal had been reached

00:17:44.260 with details still to be worked out umarev voiced optimism that ukrainian president zelinski could

00:17:49.900 travel to washington before the end of november to finalize an agreement the ukrainians have agreed

00:17:55.860 to a peace deal the u.s official told cbs news there are some minor details to be sorted out but they have

00:18:00.600 agreed to a peace deal so reinforcing that there some more information here uh the ukraine uh the

00:18:08.480 u.s and ukraine representatives hold talks in geneva over the weekend ukraine european allies oh this is

00:18:13.980 just going over u.s army secretary there we go dan driscoll met russian officials for several hours in

00:18:20.080 abu dhabi today that was yesterday i think they are still speaking today to discuss the latest developments

00:18:25.880 following the talks with ukraine ukrainian president vladimir zelinski is expected to travel to washington

00:18:30.700 before the end of this month kir starmer will uh convene a meeting of 36 nations in the coalition of

00:18:36.620 the willing to discuss the peace process and plans for a peacekeeping force to be deployed and uh again

00:18:42.700 there is talk now of potentially russia having to make concessions as well so we'll see we'll see how it

00:18:50.360 goes donald trump is currently saying that russia is making concessions and that kiev is happy with

00:18:55.580 how talks are progressing that's as of this morning speaking to reporters on air force one as he flew

00:19:00.800 out to florida trump said that we're making progress on a deal and said he would be willing to meet with

00:19:06.080 both vladimir putin and zelinski once they are close to an agreement the announced deadline of

00:19:11.900 thursday on thanksgiving is no longer in place the 28 point peace plan was supposedly just a map

00:19:18.740 asked if ukraine had been asked to hand over too much territory trump suggested that over the next

00:19:22.660 couple of months that might be gotten by russia anyway moscow's concerns are a promise to stop

00:19:28.020 fighting and they don't take any more land he said when questioned on this i saw the footage of him

00:19:32.800 basically saying well you know we want to stop the fighting if ukraine doesn't want them to take

00:19:37.560 that land they could just keep fighting and win it back which is obviously obviously just his back

00:19:42.500 backhanded way of saying they've lost yes they've lost that is territory they have lost

00:19:48.400 now is just making sure that we got all of the arrangements in place so that they don't lose

00:19:53.320 any more territory and so that this doesn't break out again too soon into the future so we'll see

00:19:59.100 how it goes maybe this will be something that can last maybe eastern europe will stay peaceful forever

00:20:05.500 more or maybe uh maybe things will not end up that way but we'll see we'll see how things go

00:20:12.860 uh i just i just hope that the fighting can end it's been almost four years now too many people have

00:20:18.960 died uh and ukraine doesn't hope to outside of just full-on pure intervention from eu states and the us

00:20:29.760 ukraine cannot hope to take that land back so better better to end the fighting now than to keep people

00:20:37.200 dying that's that's the most i can really say on that so i'll read through to uh two chats we had

00:20:42.040 during that 141 paladin truck driving in washington state allows me to watch decline

00:20:46.500 live every day as a christian monarchist it drives me mad that nobody can understand what is in front

00:20:50.980 of them love your work guys thank you and dreadmoort logan says you about 12 minutes on one point move

00:20:57.200 on please i tried to uh moody also says the only peace deal is russia leaving ukraine

00:21:04.420 well well i don't know how you expect to get there without without enforcing that yeah without

00:21:12.000 enforcing it all right well if we can move over to my segment please samson thank you all right then

00:21:19.260 ladies and gentlemen as i'm sure you've all heard by now uh david lammy our deputy prime minister and

00:21:25.720 chief justice has a remarkable idea for how to basically handle the sheer backlog of criminal

00:21:34.120 trial cases that we've got going on in the united kingdom and that is basically to as it says there

00:21:40.800 in the bbc headline basically just scrap jury trials for everything except the most serious cases

00:21:47.460 now obviously i um i i would actually just like to start by reading this particular um section of

00:21:55.360 the speech from uh lord devlin back in 1956 where he went on to say that for of all the institutions

00:22:01.700 that have been created by english law there is none other that has a better claim to be called

00:22:07.000 in the words of the hamlin trust the privilege of the common people of the united kingdom it is one

00:22:12.820 which no other european people enjoys and it is one which uh for its healthy working requires a

00:22:20.560 recognition by the common people of the responsibilities and obligations attached to it

00:22:26.520 so we can see from back in the 50s right the uh the idea that we had jury trials in england was not

00:22:35.180 just it was an extremely proud thing and it was very much built into the consciousness consciousness of

00:22:43.060 british exceptionalism right that actually we're not just like those on the continent we actually have

00:22:50.300 our own particular um inheritance here with these jury trials now obviously jury trials are

00:22:57.020 a thing on the continent in serious cases but really that is what this proposal would do

00:23:02.460 it would take us away from our own inheritance and drag us more into line with how things are

00:23:09.620 majoritively done on the continent i know obviously in the past there were heavy restrictions on who could

00:23:16.140 be in a jury yes uh dependent on property and other such things and honestly i think those were

00:23:21.020 common sense measures that anywhere that there is there is jury trials should be brought back well i

00:23:27.080 agree but it was also an understanding that the english character and general intellect was that of

00:23:33.560 such that if you have achieved a certain position in life that you were capable of rationally and

00:23:40.300 objectively yes assessing the evidence put forward to you and coming to a reasonable conclusion that's

00:23:47.480 a great deal of faith it is to put in your own subjects and it goes to it and it really does just

00:23:54.160 play on the sort of um rationalistic character of the angler and what's more as well exactly to agree

00:24:00.240 with your point it also speaks to the high trust society that we used to have it was a component

00:24:06.740 characteristic of the high trust society as you say that we uh we trusted the intellect reason and

00:24:13.460 sense of justice of our own peers and our own citizens to basically come to uh a prudent decision

00:24:20.860 and similarly it did it did help to present present a feeling within the populace that justice was not

00:24:27.260 simply arbitrary that this was to a certain extent a democratic process right absolutely and it says uh the

00:24:34.300 ministry of justice presentation produced early this month says that the crown courts are facing

00:24:39.980 record backlogs with more than 78 000 cases waiting to be completed and obviously they anticipate this

00:24:48.840 to rising over a hundred thousand within a few years if there weren't just record numbers of foreign

00:24:55.380 criminals in our country how much lower do you reckon that backlog would be do you reckon we would even

00:25:00.780 have a backlog well i think it would certainly help things uh almost certainly but this is uh so the

00:25:06.780 retired uh court of appeal judge sir brian leveson uh of the leveson inquiry uh recommended that the

00:25:14.700 government ends jury trials for many serious offenses saying that they can be dealt with by a judge alone

00:25:20.500 or sitting with two magistrates so basically doing things as they are in the magistrates court

00:25:25.740 where things are just overseen by a judge and some legal advisors and and magistrates but not having

00:25:33.100 the actual jury now obviously most cases are done by the magistrates courts and so actually as it happens

00:25:41.120 though we're obviously um we absolutely should defend the jury trial most um legal cases in britain are not

00:25:50.240 disputed this way because the vast majority of them i say happen in the magistrates courts and not the

00:25:55.500 crown courts where the jury trial is actually employed however the leveson goes on to say that

00:26:01.980 basically substantial structural change is essential and our criminal justice system is at a crisis point

00:26:09.660 and he also went on to sorry it was also added later that um in a document that lamy has a hold of that

00:26:17.920 the reforms will improve timelines in the crown court through extra hearing time

00:26:23.180 and not compromise or right to a fair trial there is no right to a jury trial

00:26:29.660 no right to a jury trial so just because uh we've had jury trials in england going back to the time of

00:26:40.320 anglo-saxons all of a sudden as wolf points out here uh guyanese immigrant is just going to abolish

00:26:48.300 them for the sakes of saving the logistics and workload of a failed and corrupt system

00:26:56.780 what's a ridiculous image i'll second that

00:27:01.660 yeah there isn't much that much to say i mean he was on the question people have to say game and he was

00:27:11.500 asked who came after henry the eighth yeah henry the seventh we literally referred back to this point

00:27:17.780 yesterday i mean he can't remember which king came after the other he can't remember what he was saying

00:27:22.420 five years ago because people of course yeah very easy to do this with any politician have immediately

00:27:27.420 found contradictory statements from only a few years ago this one from the 20th of june 2020 of him

00:27:33.120 saying jury trials are a fundamental part of our our democratic settlement criminal trials without

00:27:39.800 juries are a bad idea and uh you've jumped on a bit because i was coming to that oh i'm so sorry

00:27:45.540 that's quite all right that's rather right i wasn't banking on you scrolling down sorry nobody ever

00:27:50.500 wanted to say let us remember what happened with the jury trial of ricky jones coming to that too

00:27:56.340 okay yep coming to that too so let's just talk about uh because maven just posted here as well that

00:28:01.920 really um evidence of a a type of jury obviously not the one that we have today but just some sort

00:28:09.120 of trial amongst peers goes back all the way to ethelred the young reddy one of the worst anglo-saxon

00:28:15.280 kings and yet still a more competent administrator than david lammy which is of course they all would

00:28:22.260 be they all just name some of the ones that died before they ever really got to the crown still better

00:28:28.400 than lammy yeah arthur dead at 15 uh henry's elder brother there you go yeah imagine having the

00:28:35.280 nickname the unready and still being better than david lammy well i mean he is a young ready to

00:28:41.540 be unworthy as well uh but the point is that this is a grand heritage of our people what's more as well

00:28:48.100 of course you know as we go to clause 39 of the magna carta where it talks about lawful judgment of his

00:28:54.080 peers or by the law of the land and famously as well uh there are many trials throughout um english

00:29:01.360 history where you can see a sharp difference between what the verdict would have been by mere appointed

00:29:08.800 judge versus what the verdict of the jury came to i do think that this is the outgrowth of the war on

00:29:16.800 civil society that modern leftism wages because the idea is civil society is irreparably racist and bad

00:29:25.440 and needs to be changed by the state so we can't have jury trials except when it's our own guys on on

00:29:33.280 trial but we just need our own guys into the justice system from the state and we're going to force and

00:29:41.120 change so socially engineer civil society absolutely that's hatred towards society um so to get onto

00:29:49.280 what you were just uh looking at harry as well to david lammy's case of amnesia from five years ago

00:29:55.520 when he talks about by basically the fact that jury trials are a fundamental part of our democratic

00:30:00.480 settlement i actually just wanted to talk about that just a little bit which is that the framing of

00:30:06.640 course is entirely incorrect right it's not a fundamental part of our democratic settlement

00:30:13.200 it's a fundamental part of our british settlement and actually the jury trial through from the time

00:30:20.560 in the anglo-saxons after magna carta back when we had authoritarian kings like henry the eighth right

00:30:26.960 no it's not a staple of a democratic society it speaks to the wisdom of the english people that we were

00:30:34.320 able to create a justice system which basically gave everyone a fair hearing at the trial amongst

00:30:42.080 his peers irrespective of the type of constitutional settlement that they existed under whether it was

00:30:48.800 absolute monarchy or modern democracy right that is far more permanent than the very narrow window

00:30:56.240 that david lammy is looking at it through when he speaks about mere democracy as if it's just a

00:31:02.160 staple of mere democracy well as we've already spoken about it's not a staple of every single western

00:31:09.040 democracy at all and uh so but then we get to the sort of conundrum of basically as leo points out here

00:31:18.880 that it's an appalling idea because without a jury of peers anyone on trial will be at the mercy of

00:31:24.640 activist judges who don't even hide their bias against anyone deemed far right if there's a backlog of

00:31:30.400 trials and endless prosecutions for speech and crimes look on principle i do agree with what leo is

00:31:37.680 saying however the fact of the matter is that of course as we know it's not exactly like the jury

00:31:44.560 verdicts have been particularly infallible either recently every institution can backfire yes that

00:31:51.600 there's not a reason on its own to to destroy it the the question is the whole point of the jury is

00:31:59.360 supposed to be a jury of your peers in certain parts of this country the people who are going to

00:32:04.960 be judging you are not your peer they are people who self-consciously see themselves as your friend

00:32:14.560 or your enemy i hate to put it in such blatant tribal terms but as you're going to point out there are

00:32:20.480 some trials which have gone forward with a jury where they have shown blatant bias towards the

00:32:27.920 defendant and this is the kind of thing that we can see going all the way back to the oj trial in

00:32:34.960 america where it seemed that they purposefully stacked the trial full of um full of black people

00:32:41.680 because they knew that it would give some kind of uh advantage to oj which it did because after he got off

00:32:49.600 20 years down the line people on that jury said yeah we did it as payback for rodney king

00:32:54.240 then you get a situation like derek chauvin where a blm activist actually got on his trial

00:33:00.080 and sway and helped to sway the verdict not that i thought sadly that the derek chauvin trial was ever

00:33:05.600 in doubt that they were going to find him guilty no matter what the actual evidence was no of course not

00:33:11.120 um and there's a free speech union point out here juries have been the last line of defense against the

00:33:16.480 authoritarian cancel mob uh when our members have found themselves charged with with criminal

00:33:21.760 offenses for speaking out juries have reliably said no dice to overzealous prosecutors this has

00:33:28.080 infuriated the crown prosecution service and the activists who make malicious complaints uh one was

00:33:34.800 jamie michael a decorated royal marines veteran who was charged with inciting racial hatred after a

00:33:41.360 labor staffer reported him to the police for a video he posted on facebook and jamie spent 20 days in

00:33:47.360 prison on remand and the jury took just 17 minutes to clear him and the local labor party were quite

00:33:53.920 furious about this so even now in you know our contemporary times we do see examples of the uh uh

00:34:01.280 jury service just for want of a better way to put it just coming in clutch and just saving um some

00:34:08.000 obviously wronged persecuted people who are basically just being grinded down by the

00:34:16.000 orthodoxy of the state the ideological orthodoxy of the state which as we know there's it's good to

00:34:22.000 provide counter examples to the sorts of phenomenon that i was presenting yeah definitely it does still

00:34:27.840 matter but as uh tom points out here data shows that in britain non-white jurors display a marked

00:34:34.320 preference for non-white defendants and the corresponding bias against white defendants

00:34:39.040 whereas white jurors exhibit only a modest pro non-white bias by comparisons and this really comes

00:34:46.320 down to what we were saying about uh what you were saying about ricky jones stelios because as um this

00:34:54.640 piece here is just dragging it from connor's way said that um basically wanted people to have their

00:35:00.080 throats cut and just called for it live and he was tried he was inciting violence he was and did the

00:35:07.040 man the and he impersonated him and he did this yes yes yeah the gesture all of it it was as clear cut

00:35:16.400 as we could have possibly thought it would have been yeah sorry a bad pun didn't even mean it but um

00:35:21.680 the but the point of matter is that well yes but he was tried in a place that was minority british

00:35:28.320 and they probably agreed with him anyway and so you can get off and be acquitted for demonstrable

00:35:35.760 injustices demonstrable injustices there's also this example as well most recently even this month

00:35:42.160 of uh ex-footballer joey barton basically guilty of sending offensive messages to tv personalities this

00:35:49.440 also was a jury trial where they found him guilty on several counts for basically sending uh messages

00:35:56.640 online that were deemed to have been intentionally harmful and to stir up um hurt in the other person

00:36:04.720 as well and so we're having all of these injustices so again leo is right that there are a phenomenal

00:36:12.000 amount of activist judges and even if those um judges are indigenously british they are coming from the same

00:36:20.720 sort of institutions and rupert has been very good as well on all of this just showing uh particularly

00:36:27.200 with the bar council i didn't get it up but you know they're sort of uh dei programs and everything

00:36:32.400 like that they're still entirely susceptible they there's no real ideological um dissimilarity between

00:36:41.600 like the bar and whitehall right they're all part of these well i mean consider as well when we're

00:36:47.520 talking about problems with cps judges when the epping situation went uh from the local council

00:36:55.360 and the government brought it before the judges and the judges decided that the safety of people

00:37:00.480 within epping was not as important as defending the rights of refugees who were putting the people of

00:37:08.480 epping in danger even after the person that they were protesting against being in that hotel in the first

00:37:15.840 place was convicted as a sex offender this was of course before he was then accidentally released

00:37:21.600 from prison sure yeah that entire every every stage of our justice system is corrupted and broken in

00:37:31.760 ways that realistically would be quite easy to fix when we're talking about the bias of these judges that

00:37:39.680 needs to go to an educational matter before they even get anywhere near those halls of power

00:37:45.440 they need to be not brainwashed to be leftists the way they are and with with the jury service people

00:37:52.800 would be uncomfortable with it but it would simply need to be a case of re-implementing certain

00:37:58.000 restrictions on who can be selected for a jury isn't lammy also responsible for the constant

00:38:04.160 accidental release of prisoners uh at least two yeah yeah at least yeah at least two high higher

00:38:11.840 profile cases twice yeah there's a perfect cv to have someone change the entire institutional

00:38:18.000 structure of your country change our culture well also just to to say something else to your point harry

00:38:23.680 as well that when you have cases like these like the joey barton one of course in some ways

00:38:28.800 irrespective of the makeup of the jury what is also obviously impinging on any sense of reason or justice

00:38:38.000 is the fact that the jury and the judges are obviously working within the the legal framework

00:38:43.920 and the legislation of course passed by parliament and so they can only um find joey barton guilty of such

00:38:54.000 things if they are of course legal offenses in the first place if you take away that legislation to

00:39:00.400 say that these sorts of things are a crime such as obviously they got with dankula and the 2003

00:39:06.240 communications act strip that way then you can't you know find people to be guilty of things that aren't

00:39:11.920 crimes anymore if only there'd been some kind of this is going to sound whimsical now conservative

00:39:17.920 super majority that could have passed or repealed legislation at will yeah if only we didn't have

00:39:24.160 one of those though did we and so we're really ending up with the point now where as kongi drukpa

00:39:29.680 points out here with the um lee kwang yu sort of version of society where it says in a multi-racial

00:39:36.080 society trial by jury can result in communal prejudices influencing verdicts i would rather put my future in

00:39:43.040 the hands of a trained judge than in the hands of 12 men who can be swayed by prejudice or

00:39:47.680 rhetoric jury trials may work in homogenous societies but not in a sharply multi-racial one

00:39:54.080 you can't assume that each juror will set aside his race language and religion the jury system is part

00:40:00.000 of an english tradition that presumes a common culture that assumption cannot hold in a society

00:40:06.800 like ours and so the reason that i bring up this uh quote is one because i agree with it um i i think

00:40:14.240 that kwang yu is basically just showing uh uh an understanding of human nature and uh prejudices

00:40:20.960 people and what sways us but also the fact that to some extent this is uh what lammy is doing is

00:40:27.760 absolutely a travesty and he should not it should be unthinkable to even suggest the idea right they

00:40:34.960 well hang on we've had this system for oh just a millennia but now we're just going to scrap it based on the

00:40:40.960 backlog due to the incompetence of government that they exhibit in basically anything that they do

00:40:48.480 these days and so as always we lose out we're the ones that have our traditions torn away from us our

00:40:55.360 legal precedents our very our very heritage and and our own very parochial sense of justice taken away

00:41:03.920 from us by foreigners who aren't inheritors of this tradition and what's more as well the even more

00:41:11.120 insidious point of it is uh whether it's juries or just magistrates or you know whoever it may be uh

00:41:20.480 judges we lose either way it seems it kind of feels like we just lose either way at this point because

00:41:27.200 of the demographic trends that we've been pointing to and the ideological prejudices of

00:41:34.480 the elites and people you know the middle classes who make up the lot of judges and of course white

00:41:39.920 hall and the crown prosecution service the people who work within those corridors they're all predisposed

00:41:46.240 to uh distrust and kind of hate us anyway and bring down the full force of the law as kia starmer

00:41:52.480 love to remind us after southport and so we're in a bit of a lose-lose situation i'm afraid here lads

00:41:58.400 i can only hope that one other thing just to say is that it seems that basically every single person

00:42:06.000 was against this uh kemi badenoch was against this nigel farage was against this jeremy corbin was

00:42:12.640 against this the only uh the bar council were against getting rid of the jury trials it seems that

00:42:18.400 the only people this is a purely lammy based decision or at least lammy and people around

00:42:24.960 him who support him based off of advice from sir brian leveson yes and so it seems to be a common

00:42:31.760 example of this um grand democracy democratic settlement that david lammy loves to um give

00:42:41.440 lip service towards but david you have no mandate to do this this wasn't in your manifesto

00:42:47.360 we certainly gave no public sort of insinuation that we wanted this to happen and what's more as

00:42:54.400 well everyone kind of seems to disagree with you and think this is a bad idea and if you cared so

00:43:00.080 much about the demographic democratic settlement then maybe you would actually care about that but

00:43:06.080 you don't this is just a way for you to sort of filter people through the courts as fast as possible

00:43:13.200 because of the historic number of criminals that you and successive governments have allowed into

00:43:18.400 this country who behave on average we have the statistics the per capita statistics uh much worse than

00:43:26.320 their your average british person and so we're in a position now where we're seeing everything eroded

00:43:32.880 around us and we can only hope that if nigel farage does a few good things when he becomes prime minister

00:43:41.120 that revoking this will be one of those things because it actually sounds as well like this could be a

00:43:47.360 change that is brought upon us very very quickly we could be seeing this as early as the start of next

00:43:54.240 year and so uh yeah once again it's not the greatest news and there's some added pain being having it thrust

00:44:04.160 on you by the greatest midwits in britain i think midwits being very generous well i have to cater my

00:44:10.640 language to uh youtube do you mind if i just go on a quick divergence regarding the uh lee kuan yu

00:44:16.800 and the quote that you brought up there i'm a little bit torn currently on the kind of um the way that

00:44:25.120 right-wingers like to bring up lee kuan yu so much and i'll preface this by saying i greatly respect what

00:44:31.920 lee kuan yu was able to achieve with singapore given the situation that he found himself in with

00:44:39.200 where singapore is situated the various different populations that were set there but i do distinctly

00:44:44.480 feel like the left and right the technocratic left that is get two very different things from lee kuan

00:44:51.360 new for the right we see all of this sort of stuff as a warning we see him saying multi-racial

00:44:56.880 societies break down trusts it turns into factionalism and we say we don't want that we want to maintain

00:45:03.280 our traditions we want to maintain our trust for technocratic leftists and even technocratic center

00:45:09.680 right types as well they see lee kuan yu as a road map to the kind of society that they want to build

00:45:17.680 which is essentially a corporate technocratic police state as much as we can respect singapore for

00:45:23.520 what it is we have to also acknowledge that that is what it is because of the circumstances singapore

00:45:30.480 found itself in they have had to become an authoritarian police state to maintain order and

00:45:37.040 that was set up by lee kuan yu of course to make singapore work that's what he had to do but they

00:45:44.240 want to turn us at the same time as kind of turning everything into a giant open-air favela because they

00:45:49.680 don't have the same kind of willpower that lee kuan yu does nor the common sense that he does at the

00:45:55.440 same time as trying to turn everything into a favela they also want to turn everything into

00:46:00.160 a large corporate police state based entirely around service economies where increasingly our traditions

00:46:07.360 and our high trust societies are taken away so that they can facilitate the corporate profit profit

00:46:16.160 motive and they see this sort of stuff and they go brilliant so it can work so we can get it to work

00:46:25.440 if we just do all of the authoritarian stuff that he was forced to right which obviously i i worry that

00:46:32.080 that that legacy is not actually going to be a positive one i'm west i'm in full agreement with you

00:46:38.160 full agreement no and i agree as well and obviously i'm not invoking the quote to uh show that i want

00:46:44.640 england to become singapore all right this is a road map i don't think lee kuan you would have

00:46:48.960 wanted us to become singapore either he was in a very specific place yes very specific set of

00:46:53.920 circumstances again i i just worry that there is two very different views that you can take of what

00:47:00.480 he speaks about and his prescriptions for how he made singapore work oh definitely i i share your concern

00:47:06.080 on that but this entire um episode has just been another example of how you know that the sort of old

00:47:12.720 saying about how multiculturalism is so wonderful that it just requires uh a never encroaching loss

00:47:18.960 of your your freedoms and basically an authoritarian super state to keep all of the minorities in line

00:47:26.640 and to make sure that they all get along and it's like well i didn't sign up for that i actually just

00:47:31.280 wanted to be an englishman living in england never really concerning myself with any of that so

00:47:36.400 it's uh yeah it's really dark stuff but like say i i don't think it can last forever and a lot like

00:47:44.800 the um the abortion stuff and other things when they're just putting through stuff that just has

00:47:49.760 no mandate whatsoever or just lowering the voting age to 16 you know it just goes to show that you know

00:47:56.000 we can just keep all of these and in our journals and just remember well you know back when you had all

00:48:01.760 that power you didn't give a damn about the consent or what you were doing you just sort of forced your

00:48:06.880 vision on everyone else so if we want to change the voting age we'll change the voting age we want

00:48:11.680 to bring back the jury trials we'll bring back the jury trials we want to bring back the death penalty

00:48:16.240 we'll do that too right they've shown that they have no consideration for the consent of those out of

00:48:24.000 power which is of course something that you and i talked about uh when we did the amenities together

00:48:28.800 they're in esculus but it's um anyway i'm just sort of rambling at this point anyway so well i'll move

00:48:35.360 on to some of the rumble rants uh so um oh we've read that one uh dwight powell says did any of you

00:48:42.080 guys catch the liam tough steve whores interview my uh favorite bit was liam asking steve if my mum was

00:48:49.200 back what would you do to her uh yeah it was i've actually not seen the whole i've seen the full

00:48:55.440 interview there was um i thought it was quite a comical interview i've got to be honest two

00:49:00.240 favorite bits which is liam asking steve if is is my ghanian mate footlong british the answer is in

00:49:07.920 the question mate and then uh him role-playing as hallie berry offering steve a blowjob to which

00:49:15.360 to which steve just uh stayed completely sigma and said no

00:49:19.680 i remember this bit where he was talking about um traveling outside europe and that he didn't like

00:49:28.400 it that much no i remember i know that was your favorite part when he took a holiday to turkey and

00:49:32.560 just immediately regretted it right okay tom rat 247 this is what happens in a mixed economy i mean

00:49:41.280 economy of course a mixed ebonomy yeah yeah okay sorry smathlack says when i was on jury service a few

00:49:47.600 years back three of the jurors didn't speak english we do need jury service but they also need to speak

00:49:52.640 english haha well it comes back to what you were saying some of the requirements that are needed

00:49:56.880 you have to speak english you have to put the the square in the square not on the not in the circle

00:50:04.960 you get an incredibly basic iq test you have to be able to add fractions to one another dreadnought

00:50:13.840 they are making the great trial for them easier now i don't know what that's in reference i don't

00:50:19.360 know what it's either um oh oh they're making the great trial the big trial of traitors that we'll

00:50:26.880 do when we're in power oh i see them easier now right chad parsons 99 54 that's one of the few things

00:50:37.600 britain got completely tight suspect he wants to say right and the reason it is the sixth amendment

00:50:44.480 to the american constitution you guys fight them no no that's that's regarding juries i think you'll

00:50:50.800 find that britain got a lot completely right and then for some reason in the early 20th century

00:50:56.160 everybody became temporarily retarded and has not recovered since right the democrats have lost their

00:51:03.440 minds they have failed to gatekeep the radicals and they have found themselves in the position of

00:51:09.280 either leaving the democrat party or being subordinated to the to their raging raving lunatics

00:51:16.880 right so this is what happens when the principle of operation of your party is whoever screams that they're

00:51:24.960 oppressed must be listened to except if they're straight white men that's when you don't listen to

00:51:30.720 them that's when that's where you're allowed to hate them according to intersectionality and the

00:51:36.480 intersectional calculus and we're at a point where we are constantly asking ourselves the age-old dilemma

00:51:43.760 is this malice or is it ignorance and incompetence and there could be a trilemma yeah it could be pol

00:51:52.320 pot which is a combination of both but i think that at the end of the day whether particular individuals

00:51:58.640 are bad or stupid or both the agenda is becoming increasingly more radical and very unrealistic and

00:52:07.760 when we're talking about an agenda that is anti-reality it will invariably be anti-life it's going to

00:52:15.680 create a dystopia every time it tries to create a utopia right so here we have chicago mayor brandon

00:52:23.280 johnson johnson who says no relation we can't jail our way out of violence it's racist law enforcement

00:52:31.440 now it's racist he is in complete denial of reality and of basic human facts and he doesn't want his

00:52:40.880 audience to to think that there is such a thing as a natural aggression of human beings that sadly

00:52:50.160 manifests in violence that has to be mitigated in any kind of civilized society he doesn't want this

00:52:56.560 he doesn't want the tough realization he doesn't want reality he wants to be a sophist he wants to

00:53:03.600 deny reality he wants everyone to engage in an attempt to deny reality as well and to create a utopia

00:53:10.560 utopia where you don't need the police let's listen to what he says

00:53:20.240 we cannot incarcerate our way out of violence we've already tried that and we've ended up with

00:53:26.640 the largest prison population in the world without solving the problems of crime and violence the

00:53:32.320 addiction on jails and incarceration in this country we have moved past that it is racist it is immoral it

00:53:40.000 is unholy and it is not the way to drive violence down i don't know i think that there's an addiction to

00:53:46.720 activists judges and career criminals and partiality towards career criminals at the expense of

00:53:52.960 innocent human beings i mean that would be so compelling to me if i was 85 iq

00:54:01.120 like yeah it is racist when he says uh we've got the largest prison population it's not solvice

00:54:06.640 all i could think was like oh yeah imagine how much worse things would be if they were all out on the

00:54:11.120 streets but it's it's not just an issue of uh low iq whatever individual we're talking about it's also

00:54:18.160 an issue of this philosophy being a great ground for manipulation and that's the how they manipulate

00:54:27.520 many zoomers and people as well but increasingly mostly zoomers because they do this in academia

00:54:34.880 they are saying right let's look at the world around you any constraint anything that you don't like

00:54:40.960 it's them let us bring down them and life is going to be heaven on earth well what when he's saying as well

00:54:49.040 about you know oh well it's racist and so we can't just jail our way out of it obviously what he's um

00:54:55.440 is that a freudian slip there i don't i don't know is that i was just going to say that the point is that he's

00:55:02.400 basically saying look the problem is that because of the incarceration rates of blacks in the united states

00:55:08.640 uh this reflects really really badly on us not the crime but the perception of like us all being thrown

00:55:15.360 in jail and so we just need to abolish that because actually the perception is a problem not the actual

00:55:20.800 actions of the individual there is also a very compelling counter-argument to the idea that you can't

00:55:27.120 put so many people in prison and then things will turn into a paradise it's el salvador oh yeah

00:55:33.360 i heard of that yeah hey you literally can just do it brother luca sets the record straight you

00:55:40.720 literally can just jail your way out of violence yeah hasn't he got one of the let's give him a like

00:55:46.960 homicide rates in the world now after having one of the highest something like lowest crime rates in the

00:55:53.840 western hemisphere something like that right i think that we are at a very difficult point the us

00:56:00.800 is at a very difficult point as well there are individuals who are picked by the darling of

00:56:07.280 democratic socialism right now who is zoran momdani the mayor of new york city as his community safety

00:56:14.720 picks i'm gonna show you two examples i'm not gonna dwell on the first one but i'm gonna

00:56:19.040 uh show a lot about the second example first one is momdani community safety pick

00:56:27.440 deborah lolai a clinical instructor at harvard's harvard laws lgbtq plus advocacy clinic

00:56:35.600 who says that nypd harasses abuses and kills trans people and pushes to decriminalize sex work

00:56:42.560 this is who she is oh god oh expect it's not all you needed to do not harry's favorite all you

00:56:49.760 needed to do is like describe this person and i could have closed my eyes and sketched out this

00:56:54.880 very face without never seeing them and you can put that face to that direct opinion and i'm gonna

00:57:01.440 show you harry how this rhetoric speaks directly to your heart she explicitly frames this agenda yeah

00:57:08.880 i kind of enjoy it as part of a broader revolt that would soon become the summer of floyd in the

00:57:15.040 spirit of the stonewall uprising and in other words there can be no trans liberation without

00:57:21.040 palestinian liberation everything is connected just like it was in biden's mind which meant they were

00:57:26.880 fighting for stonewall palestine no they were fighting for the right to take drugs and cavort with

00:57:34.400 teenage boys that's what stonewall was sorry like all you need to do is read a book on it okay i read

00:57:41.920 the actual mainstream there will be a video i think it will be coming out in january now it's almost done

00:57:48.240 it's this close finally and then the weimar one will come out in like three years four years five tops

00:57:54.960 all right i need to do some i've heard him say 10 in the office actually i need to do some revisions on

00:57:59.360 the script again i'm sorry guys yeah you're a researcher into gays across the across time and

00:58:06.400 so the revisions for the weimar stuff's about the rhineland occupation either way i read a mainstream

00:58:12.160 like the mainstream book on stonewall stonewall was a mob bar with a pedo ring above it on the

00:58:17.920 floor up from the stonewall that's what they were that's what the police were there for and these people

00:58:23.840 say we need to fight for the spirit of stonewall right right now we are going to go to we are going

00:58:32.880 to go to someone who is definitely not less of an idiot mondani transition pick police are a direct

00:58:41.840 interference with radical socialist oriented politics and they will be used to stop us this is professor

00:58:48.960 alex vitali but i want to play this clip because this isn't the exact description of what he says

00:58:55.680 what he says shows that he lives in a completely different planet this is the spirit of what he says

00:59:01.040 but i want you to focus on the formulation of it police are a direct interference with our ability to

00:59:12.320 articulate a more radical socialist oriented politics right so the police are a direct

00:59:19.680 interference with our ability to articulate a more radical socialist oriented politics first of all

00:59:26.000 that's untrue because you are already doing that and you are very radical yourself so yeah the police

00:59:33.040 isn't exactly against you mom donnie picked you as a community safety advisor so it's not exactly like

00:59:40.720 the system is against you as much as you are implying as if trump was presiding over like the second wave

00:59:47.600 of mccarthyism yeah so it's not an issue of articulation hands-off it's not an issue of articulation

00:59:53.280 it's an issue of the kind of extremist politics these far leftists are put are pushing forward and

00:59:59.920 it says that they will be used to stop us yeah i mean if you're an extremist why not just why not i don't

01:00:06.560 want i don't want you to preach extremism i don't want you to say that every kind of every kind of

01:00:13.280 police there is is a bad is a bad mediator of colonialism who is just racist and you shouldn't

01:00:19.520 have racist and he directly says the following and they will be used to stop us they will criminalize our

01:00:31.520 movements put our people in prison eat people in the streets to stop us so anything we can do to

01:00:38.320 reduce their power creates political space for us to do what we need to do i mean at least he's honest

01:00:46.480 he says he is a radical socialist he wants to defund the police in order to promote radical socialism

01:00:53.600 and it's not exactly that the system is rigged against him again i'll say he is one of the advisors

01:01:00.320 for community safety for new york city right what's more as well his um the entire point about

01:01:07.840 mamdani being well actually you're just coming on to it so i'll let you no please please finish

01:01:14.000 well i was just going to point out the fact that obviously with mamdani meeting trump because you

01:01:18.160 know before mamdani was elected trump had given lip service to uh well you know maybe we'll just uh

01:01:24.000 won't send any federal funding to new york it's like well that would have been a good strategy

01:01:29.120 but instead you're getting the handshake i've been doing wrong there's a funny quote in there but

01:01:34.400 that was so past funny quotes at this point the issue is i think we need to discern between the

01:01:39.680 media hype and the pre-election election campaign talk from both sides and actual politics they're

01:01:48.560 both are politicians to a degree they are going to cooperate i mean i know that this isn't what

01:01:54.960 people are next try to try to want to hear but to a degree they will cooperate

01:02:02.240 that doesn't mean that there's a major agreement with agendas or something but your mouse is down

01:02:07.440 here okay so i i move to the right there's a new year post article here including

01:02:13.520 uh central university uh new york professor who wrote the end of policing now one thing

01:02:22.880 when academics write the end of something frequently they mean the goal of something they want it as a

01:02:29.840 catchy title but he is also sort of a defund the police but uh what what he actually wants is a

01:02:37.520 police that is going to serve his own radical socialist ends he doesn't call for the police to be entirely

01:02:45.280 um scrapped away he wants a radically socialist police right and he got picked by mom danny so

01:02:53.680 check check this article out says a lefty academic who literally penned the book title the end of policing

01:03:00.560 sits on mayor-elect zorn mom done his transition team focused on public safety along with a ragtag

01:03:06.560 roaster of other anti-police reformers alex vitali a brooklyn college sociology professor was among 26

01:03:14.160 advocates scholars and former nypd officials tapped monday to staff mom done his committee on community

01:03:20.480 safety amid the mayoral turnover now let us watch another clip of what this person says

01:03:25.120 he says we should give teachers guns so parents quit harassing them about what books they assign

01:03:34.960 um let's let it was almost based well i think i think we should give teachers guns so that parents

01:03:42.320 quit harassing them about what books they assign yeah yeah give them a gun and then let them teach crt

01:03:48.080 you know exactly college level course and you know diverse literature and and yes controversial

01:03:55.360 subjects so just kidnapping is he not just advocating for like kidnapping other people's children at that

01:04:02.560 point he is advocating for a massive restriction of family rights according to him if you want your

01:04:10.240 children to not be exposed to socially corrosive narratives and you want to make fuss about it at their

01:04:16.640 schools he says basically that they should bully you and they should they should there there should

01:04:24.000 be a concealed threat there it's obvious what he says is obvious right so here he made a comment no

01:04:32.080 that's not uh what i wanted to show here i'll show you later this guy said nothing on on september 10th

01:04:40.080 i don't know if you remember that was the day of the assassination of charlie kirk

01:04:43.600 someone who seems to be very much interested in whose claims to be interested in good community

01:04:50.720 in community safety and a sort of diffusion of violence presumably allegedly he had nothing to

01:04:58.720 say so september 9 some good news about something about racketeering then uh reposting something of

01:05:05.680 september 8 september 9 what is it september 9 cop crime says usa many cities say yes to federal

01:05:13.520 police help but no to occupation and he says this is the problem by leaning into law and order

01:05:19.280 democrats are enabling trump's authoritarianism right so if you're a democrat and you don't

01:05:25.280 consider yourself to be a radical socialist how do you how do you how does this make you feel how does

01:05:31.680 it make you feel if someone directly says law and order assist authoritarianism there's a question you

01:05:39.120 have to ask yourself if you haven't already moved to the republicans something about the premiere wait

01:05:44.880 wait wait wait what sold out work last night of sex work film yeah just went to a premiere of like

01:05:52.720 yeah i don't want to click on it because we don't know if if any kind of you can click on it after harry

01:05:57.760 he just went to watch some like porno with a load of friends new york style taxi driver style

01:06:04.160 promoting blue sky on september 10. we all know what blue sky was like on september 10. and he

01:06:11.520 doesn't seem to be making any claim so important that we stand up to bullies yeah so dad yeah so we

01:06:20.320 we get an idea of the kind of politics and the kind of you know of hypocrisy coming from this person so

01:06:27.840 cringe this guy's 60. yep right okay again from um donny's team he wants to defund the police and

01:06:35.520 the military and call the police violence workers now i want to show you this clip because to a degree

01:06:41.760 he gets something correct but i want you to notice on an inference and the reason i'm doing this is

01:06:47.200 because i think that we need to be much more focusing on the language and the sophistical language that

01:06:55.200 people use in order to manipulate their audience and i want you to notice a kind of what he does

01:07:02.080 for a transition he does from something that is a truism that the violence and the police go together

01:07:10.000 yes to something that is completely off the charts we we must always keep in mind that at root police

01:07:17.840 are violence workers that's what separates them from other parts of the state they're they're who you

01:07:25.440 call when you need the capacity to use violence and so when we involve police in something we should

01:07:32.560 expect there to be violence and i always say if you don't want racism and you don't want violence don't

01:07:40.320 get the police involved you see the transition he starts by saying something that is sort of

01:07:47.280 commonsensical that the job of the police is a violent one and there needs to be the law enforcement

01:07:54.240 aspect of it enforcement requires coercion but then i know out of nowhere he just throws in racism

01:07:59.920 if you don't want racism don't call the police so if you want a society that isn't racist you don't

01:08:05.680 call the police defund it um attack it do it all that's what he says that's what he says that's

01:08:12.640 what he is implying if i might just return as well to your initial the point that you made earlier

01:08:17.520 about the fact that there's there's campaign you know messaging and stuff like that between mamdani

01:08:23.120 and trump but ultimately they are two politicians so of course they're going to shake hands and try

01:08:28.640 find common cause where they should everything that you're showing as to like who was in the transition

01:08:35.040 team with mamdani is exactly the reason why he should not have done that right why you should

01:08:41.200 have just cut him off because you are empowering insane people who are going to drag new york into

01:08:47.680 even lower depths and fundamentally the only reason that mamdani is even there in the first place is

01:08:53.440 because of rigged demographics of new york and so i don't quite understand why as president who was

01:08:59.520 elected on the actual uh public will of the entire american electorate you somehow have to um cast

01:09:08.160 yourself away and just allow new york to be taken away by a place that has basically just been

01:09:14.480 demographically replaced i don't get this you should be doing everything you can in your power as president

01:09:20.080 to reverse this catastrophe not to encourage it yeah and i mean if they they claim to defund institutions

01:09:27.520 maybe not give them money trump if you're watching don't give them money right give us money

01:09:35.040 right so the other thing the other thing that we know really well and we have been communicating

01:09:43.200 and we have been showing and it's known for for decades if not centuries is that the temperament of

01:09:48.880 the leftist is very different to that of the average of the of the of the a commonsensical person

01:09:56.480 why am i saying this because when from a common sense perspective you move forward in life

01:10:04.720 without having figured out everything without having solved the riddle of the universe you sort of

01:10:12.880 you're sort of moving forward and you're trying to solve problems as they come your way leftists are

01:10:18.720 trying to do the exact opposite they constantly fail they constantly come with philosophies that are

01:10:25.520 gaslighting them and they're so intensely ideological that they are representing a very threat the very

01:10:34.080 idea of judgment as we see it in front of us so for instance from a normal perspective from the

01:10:39.920 perspective of a the average human being um but also from the perspective of smart and honest human

01:10:46.640 beings you have natural aggression sadly you have to it manifests in violence and in civilized society

01:10:56.880 you have to have a sort of mechanism for for uh for dealing with it and that mechanism is itself violent

01:11:06.400 it's uh not ideal but it's realistic and it's something that must happen because we don't live in the utopia

01:11:15.520 but the communist mind and the radical leftist mind constantly says the utopia is possible and anyone who

01:11:24.160 suggests or acts as if the utopia is not possible is an enemy and they have to be removed and

01:11:31.360 and from what you're gathering he isn't exactly not fond of violence right and these people aren't

01:11:39.200 exactly not fond of violence history suggests that they very much are in favor of it and here he has

01:11:45.520 this uh interview in democracy now i'm not gonna show you it to you for uh for considerations of time but

01:11:53.200 i'm gonna tell you what he says click on it if you want it's less than two minutes he says long

01:11:58.640 story about the use of police in prison is to manage problems of inequality and exploitation this

01:12:03.680 is marxist garbage near and he also says it's an issue of neoliberal austerity and inequality and

01:12:10.080 the police is used to manage these problems not to have any other sort of end right so and he wants to

01:12:18.400 say to rethink the role of the police and he calls for it to be defunded the problem is that this is a

01:12:24.400 fundamentally corrosive and incoherent agenda and let me say one thing from a commonsensical perspective

01:12:32.320 there is sadly natural aggression which manifests into violence and as i said before we need to have

01:12:38.480 a mechanism in civilized society to to deal with this that this is natural aggression and you try to

01:12:46.880 distribute natural aggression towards good causes such as the preservation of of order against those

01:12:56.080 who want to distract that order he wants to give an alternative explanation an explanation which is at

01:13:03.040 the core of his very flawed philosophy which again speaks to the temperament of someone who is

01:13:10.800 very unwise and thinks that we can move forward in life by having figured everything theoretically first

01:13:18.400 we can't do this but this is what he says and he says this as an ideologue he has exactly accepted the

01:13:25.040 idea that all problems are problems of economic inequality so when it comes to natural aggression

01:13:31.520 you are going to solve it by redistribution of wealth and by making society more equal materially

01:13:38.160 speaking this is just nonsense and also look at the kind of split-brained uh claim here because

01:13:46.880 he says it's not natural aggression it's economic exploitation even if that were the case which it

01:13:54.080 isn't economic exploitation itself is a manifestation of natural aggression without natural aggression there

01:14:01.760 would be no economic exploitation it's it's as simple as that they're lying to you they're gaslighting

01:14:09.280 they're sophists their agenda is really really really corrosive and bad and you should save the young

01:14:16.960 people young people from it and there are real life the real life consequences to it they do this

01:14:24.640 especially in academia where they can get away with it in a completely controlled environment where it's

01:14:30.480 just they and their students in a seminar room it's all just emotions they're manipulating their emotions

01:14:39.360 the students the audience's emotions and they don't tell you that there are negative consequences and

01:14:47.120 what we have isn't an addiction to law and order it's an addiction to its lack we have career criminals and

01:14:53.280 here i'm going to show you three of them and three victims three suspects 125 combined arrests

01:15:01.440 right so every time that they are pontificating and they're virtue signaling about how cool it is in

01:15:09.120 the utopia and how everyone who acts as if the utopia isn't possible is a bad person remember that what

01:15:16.560 they're advocating for or what they are tolerating and what they are not up against

01:15:21.440 has real life consequences and they're very dystopian ones and here the mother of the carlos brown jr was

01:15:29.200 pleading with the courts to keep him in jail is that true that judge theresa stokes let him out anyway

01:15:35.200 uh there there are some reports i don't consider this to be particularly from what i've checked on it seems to

01:15:42.880 me to be seems to me to be plausible no no and if yeah yeah if if that's true that's just but remember

01:15:50.320 also the kind of rhetoric we hear on a daily basis about mental illness and i want to say again i know

01:15:57.760 people with mental illness they haven't tried to to kill me or burn me alive that's ridiculous

01:16:04.080 yes we always know the kind of excuses that the left makes in order to gaslight people in order to

01:16:12.480 not confront that yeah we are responsible for our own actions there may be cases where there's

01:16:18.000 diminished responsibility but the common good has to come first and sometimes that means that

01:16:25.280 we have to incarcerate people because they're a problem to the common good or and without

01:16:34.240 focusing so much on the moral aspect of the issue the kind of moral culpability public yeah and and

01:16:40.720 and the kind of moral responsibility and degree of it during that crime and if this is true at least

01:16:47.280 it's not the same as that kid who murdered austin metcalf back in february where his family decided to

01:16:52.720 grift off of it yeah and try and do a fundraiser so they could get hundreds of thousands of dollars

01:16:58.080 and i want to end with uh i want to end with uh the other view because this is sheriff chad bianco

01:17:07.840 of riverside county california some people are criticizing him i generally speaking think that he says based

01:17:14.880 stuff and he says when you have riots and you respond to it immediately with overwhelming force

01:17:23.920 and that's how you have less violence so we have a clash of perspective some people are stupid enough

01:17:30.720 to fall for it others are promoting it on purpose we have people who are have a sort of utopian rhetoric

01:17:38.720 which almost invariably results which invariably not almost invariably results in dystopian realities

01:17:49.440 right

01:17:51.760 we're going through comments and everything yep sweet

01:17:55.280 uh

01:17:55.680 you can't gel your way out of crime i think el salvador might disagree with that statement yeah

01:18:01.760 we showed it and uh that's a random name making an early life joke and that's a random name saying

01:18:09.440 the only obsession america has is with denying the reality surrounding anagrams

01:18:16.080 i wonder which anagram he may be oh i'll have to ponder that one any video comments samson apparently

01:18:22.720 we have no video comments so why come on send us your video

01:18:27.360 okay henry ashman says i may need to watch this one back again lads i'm a bit distracted by a woman

01:18:35.360 with a red briefcase and an aggressive fringe re-arming re-aiming the entire country at the same time

01:18:42.320 as this i have a mouse please thank you you may cheers

01:18:47.600 i am your prophet i shall part the red tape of editorial bollocks and get that video to you

01:19:15.840 don't worry it will be worth it jack has done a fantastic job on it it's going to be very very

01:19:23.040 high quality if anything now the actual content of the video is going to look terrible in comparison

01:19:28.800 to the production quality of the editing in which case if i watch it back and i'm not happy i might

01:19:34.160 have to just re-refilm rewrite the whole thing and get jack to re-edit the entire thing as well so you

01:19:41.120 know who knows maybe maybe january maybe next year maybe maybe 2027 samson's just shaking why are you

01:19:48.880 why are you petrified yeah come on why not you know who knows oh ye of little faith geordie swordsman

01:19:54.640 dan will be doing a segment on the budget tomorrow i.e dan will be screaming at the camera for between

01:19:59.280 20 and 30 minutes true based correct as as he should samson you never gave us any budget black pills while

01:20:07.280 you were going through that we're very grateful for how how much is the government going to be

01:20:12.160 raping me by how much extra sorry is the government going to be raping me by i don't want to spoil

01:20:17.840 anything you don't want to spoil anything it's over oh it's over how over is it never been has it

01:20:26.720 never been more over i'm not sure i can say on is it man who man who was already tired reaches new

01:20:34.080 level of tiredness he never felt possible yes

01:20:41.040 well you've heard it could we should we go to the comments harris do you want rather harry do you

01:20:46.320 want to read i've got some here cumbrian kulak my own government is a more salient threat to me

01:20:52.400 than putin or russia um don't know which country you're in still to be a still be a laugh seeing

01:20:58.640 the response to conscription perhaps that will be the breaking point of the mass cognitive dissonance

01:21:03.840 slash mass formation a generational divide for sure ukraine's basically already conscripting

01:21:09.360 people i mean uh firas was showing it a few weeks ago where they were going out into the streets and

01:21:14.480 kidnapping people so that they kidnapping young men so away from their families so that they could get

01:21:19.840 them on the front lines that's the difficulty that ukraine is in which is that they just don't

01:21:25.360 have the men to continue fighting and without expansion of warfare to include eu states and the

01:21:32.960 us which would which would escalate it into a global war because russia is also aligned with other

01:21:39.520 geopolitical enemies of the west it would massively escalate you would suddenly get iran involved china

01:21:46.400 would have to get involved huge countries that don't want to but you don't want it to escalate into a

01:21:51.920 into a world war uh hewitt 76 will harry's video arrive before the next batman film i don't know

01:21:58.160 when that's out so probably michael drybelbus better a peace plan starman macron eu fight to the last

01:22:04.880 ukrainian that is their plan and start sending us yeah i know i know macron is distracted lately

01:22:11.120 oh yeah with the with his plans against candace owens he's he's waiting for news back from the hit

01:22:16.560 cumbrian kulak again the war in donbash should have been kept local as soon as superpowers got

01:22:21.920 involved the locals lost control of their stake in it all seems every war is a war to make the rich

01:22:26.800 richer these days blackrock have done very well out of this imagine being maimed and killed to protect

01:22:31.120 ukraine from the madman putin only for eight million bamalians to come in for the balance sheets that is

01:22:37.440 my concern and that's my concern that it seemed to me the loaded ideological logic language in that

01:22:43.600 point that we were discussing uh seemed to be preempting that setting it up lord inquisitor

01:22:49.760 hector rex harry i'd like to petition you to do a whole segment as peter hitchens no derrick power

01:22:56.000 master of chippies the problem with the russian ukrainian war is that ukraine couldn't define

01:22:59.440 itself other than we are not russian because russia bad putin hitler you can't rely solely on the

01:23:04.720 negative to define yourself save for god well to to be fair in that as its own state ukraine has only

01:23:11.920 really existed for a hundred or so years following the the destruction of the great powers following

01:23:18.000 the end of the first world war and even then immediately after that they were essentially

01:23:23.040 reoccupied i mean by the ussr so ukraine has been in a position for a while now where they are trying

01:23:30.480 to regain a sense of their own understanding and solid and sovereignty as a nation as i mean i know

01:23:36.480 ukrainians and i have ukrainian friends and i don't think that this is how they view themselves as

01:23:40.960 just non-russian i mean that's the thing upon the breaking up of russian state upon the breaking

01:23:45.840 of the great great empires they wanted to establish themselves as their own nation you can say they

01:23:51.600 were propped up by other western powers as a buffer state again but still they did want to establish

01:23:57.440 their own nationhood and it's been very very difficult for them to do that since then so i i do

01:24:02.640 have great sympathy for the ukrainian people uh they've been put into a catch-22 lose-lose situation

01:24:09.360 yeah and um sadly i i just hope that they're not going to get absolutely assets stripped off of the

01:24:15.920 back of it lord inquisitor hector rex i think education uh but could could be something the

01:24:22.080 eu requested as a requirement to potentially join the eu in the future well the interesting thing again

01:24:28.560 there is that when you see the points of the eu put forward actually the eu put uh states really

01:24:35.200 reduced it down to just purely like don't discriminate against your linguistic minorities

01:24:39.920 which in the eastern european context makes a lot more sense as far as i can tell would you like to

01:24:46.400 go on to your segment sure uh ed milliband harnessing enoch's spinning grave um don't think i've read that

01:24:54.560 username before uh says no more no more jury trials excellent this is going to make it so much easier to

01:25:00.960 sentence our opponents uh when farage is in charge uh if we even have trials by then well i mean who

01:25:08.080 knows what they will do uh the same goes for with digital id it's strange that the left are so happy

01:25:13.120 to leave such authoritarian tools for farage if they're truly afraid of him which means they're not

01:25:19.520 yeah the the yeah no that's exactly which means they they they would expect he could surprise us they

01:25:25.280 would expect that he will carry on a managerial technocratic form of governance that will either

01:25:32.080 be able to be retooled again in the future by them once they're back in power and he's out or will

01:25:37.040 actually just be used by him to carry on what's already going on perhaps at a simply slower pace

01:25:42.960 umara wad says i think it speaks volumes to their insecurities that the government isn't even

01:25:47.760 confident enough that they could rig juries in their favor anymore well as a you know as i tried to

01:25:53.680 show in the segment sometimes these juries come down obviously on the unjust side due to demographics

01:26:00.000 and sometimes you do actually get a good verdict as well so i don't think it's that i genuinely i

01:26:05.760 actually believe them on this one when they say why they're doing it because they're just looking at

01:26:10.160 the numbers and they're just going okay we just need to pull all of this through but obviously the

01:26:15.360 actual um the actual issues that they would have to confront to truly fix the problem and simultaneously

01:26:22.640 keep the legal structure intact they're not willing to consider because if they were uh people

01:26:28.880 like david lammy wouldn't be deciding them uh cumbrian kulak says regarding trial by jury

01:26:34.880 the symbolic damage is infuriating thousands of years of history being passed on uh by a foreigner

01:26:42.080 one must face this with good humor and perhaps this decision casts a shadow for the next government

01:26:46.800 likely reform to work with uh well i'd say i wouldn't want reform to work with it i would

01:26:52.080 want them to repeal it but um you know it's just again we're just sort of left at the mercy of

01:26:58.880 whatever farage fancies when it comes to that there's not really a great deal that we'll be able to do for

01:27:04.160 many years but endure yes mercy and uh i'll just read this one uh wallard woo woo to tie says excellent

01:27:12.000 segment luca uh thank you uh thank you for making the point that jury trials are not an article of

01:27:16.880 our democracy but rather an ancient right of all englishmen since before the norman conquest yeah

01:27:22.560 absolutely um before i go to mine i so when you were talking about uh jury trial as having a democratic

01:27:31.440 aspect of it at some point roman observer said on the chat harry our democracy robinson

01:27:38.240 hey like there are aspects of democracy that can work within very very well established boundaries

01:27:47.840 right democracy is kind of like a toddler they can do lots of amazing things but you really need to

01:27:53.760 set boundaries for them or else they'll just shit everywhere you you need to leave the um

01:27:59.280 little gate at the top of the stairs in case it falls to its death or you know it just hurts itself

01:28:04.720 i mean i was just making the comparison like my my daughter had her first successful trip to the

01:28:11.040 potty this morning i'm told at which point halfway through she stood up that's democracy doesn't know

01:28:16.960 when to stay sat down or stand omar awad says george orwell didn't go far enough when describing the

01:28:22.560 tyranny of the good those who believe themselves at the end of history will justify any atrocity as

01:28:28.400 they're working backwards from the correct conclusion and anyone with a different conclusion must be wrong

01:28:34.320 that's how we end up at shoot their parents for complaining about indoctrination levels

01:28:40.320 sadly true kevin fox if the majority of people in jail in america were white would that mayor call

01:28:46.320 it racist or be against imprisonment i think no kevin that's what my hunch says uh furious dan says

01:28:55.600 it doesn't matter how many people you put in jail if you don't keep them there

01:28:59.120 that's another revolving door yeah but that's which it has been in places like california for a

01:29:06.720 while that's also because you want to be going towards the opposite direction the the direction

01:29:13.360 opposite to the direction the mom danny wants to go reminded of a famous sam hyde quote michael drybelby

01:29:20.560 says these people demonstrate why democrats can be taken seriously except for their corrupting effect on the country

01:29:29.600 that's the issue that they believed the idea that common sense and reason are itself an oppressive

01:29:38.000 phallocentric construct that's what they say that's post-modernism they believe that every time you try

01:29:44.960 to be just speak with them from the perspective of common sense they're going to scream that you're an

01:29:51.280 oppressor yeah that's why they have been subordinated to the radicals those of them who aren't radicals if my

01:29:58.880 common sense oppresses you good and one last one arizona desert rat massive eye roll maybe the reason

01:30:06.400 the us has such a high prison population is because we have lower corruption in the legal system and the

01:30:12.960 means to identify prosecute violent criminals if society really wants crime to go down children need

01:30:18.880 to be taught at an early age to be decent and responsible citizens not be hood rats

01:30:26.080 this applies to people of all races he says right i think uh that we have reached the end of today's

01:30:34.080 podcast thank you very much brother harry thank you very much brother luca thank you all very much

01:30:39.920 thank you shaman shaman you're welcome you're welcome shaman panayotu actually you're welcome

01:30:46.720 you've not yet earned the right to use his first name thank you brother samson over there

01:30:51.520 you're in the production thanks to all brothers and sisters goodbye and see you tomorrow at 1 pm

The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - November 26, 2025

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