The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1306
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Summary
In Episode 1306 of The Lotus Eaters, we discuss the devastating news of Peter Whittaker's passing, and how Labour's migration figures are misleading the public. We also discuss Piers Morgan's Thanksgiving gift to the British people, and why we should all be thankful for it.
Transcript
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Good afternoon and welcome to the podcast of the Lotus Eaters, episode 1306.
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I'm your host Harry, joined today by Beau and Josh.
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Today we're going to be talking about the way that the migration figures that have recently been released are misleading the public.
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I'm going to be going into everything that Piers Morgan is willing to sacrifice for the sake of a curry,
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and Beau will be telling us about Trump's Thanksgiving gift.
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Before we get into any of that though, I would like to say to everybody that we want to wish our condolences to the family and friends of Peter Whittle.
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If you've not heard, just a few hours ago it was announced that Peter Whittle, head of the New Culture Forum, has sadly and tragically passed away.
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So our greatest condolences to everybody at the New Culture Forum, to his friends and family, and I would personally like to wish him to rest in peace.
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I only met him a couple of times when he was in the office for the podcast, and he was always unerringly polite and very well made up and very respectful.
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And yeah, I only met him very briefly a couple of times when he was in here.
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He's always had a lot of time for people from what I've been able to sort of understand, and when I've met him he's always been a very pleasant conversation.
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And it was nice to have someone on Tufton Street that was on our side as well.
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So he was very much trying to push the gauntlet in a similar way that we were.
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So as far as we know from what New Culture Forum have announced, they will be carrying on his work and legacy.
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So good luck to all of them, and we hope that you can carry on through this loss.
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And everybody in the chat, please wish for Peter to rest in peace.
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After that, we also just have to say that for all of our Gold Series subscribers, we have the Zoom call later on at 3 o'clock Greenwich Mean Time.
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So join us for that if you want to have a chinwag.
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So join that so that you can speak to me and Carl.
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And without any further ado, let's get into the news.
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So Labour's released the migration figures for the past year.
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I think it's September to September they actually cover, and they are devastating.
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But you wouldn't be able to get that from the news necessarily.
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And at first, this would seem like a Labour victory.
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And in fact, the Labour Party promised two years ago that they would cut net migration to 200,000 a year.
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We'll be getting to that and breaking that down a little bit more.
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But this is, at the time, Shadow Minister Darren Jones saying that, saying that the figures were extremely high.
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Labour, of course, have an ideological and sort of self-serving interest in carrying on mass migration.
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One, because they care more about people outside of Britain than the British people themselves.
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And two, they're importing new voters, and that's how they survive.
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And so, obviously, they have no interest in actually reducing migration.
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But you would think from headlines like this from the BBC, UK net migration drops sharply to 204,000, sorry.
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In a year to June, down 80% from its peak in 2023.
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So, at the face of it, that would sound good, wouldn't it?
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At the face of it, it sounds as though they've actually kept to a pledge that they made two years ago.
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Well, technically, they have, but not in the way that you would expect.
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Not in a way that's actually going to be beneficial demographically.
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If it was minus 204,000, we've netted out 204,000, that still wouldn't be good enough.
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I'll take it, but that still wouldn't be good enough.
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Because people would go away from this thinking, okay, well, less people are coming into the country, wouldn't you?
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That's what you would get from that, because the net migration is down.
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Net migration to UK drops by two-thirds, as fewer people come to Britain for work or study.
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But the BBC also has a very similar headline here when they reported on it a second time.
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Sharp fall in UK net migration with drop-in arrivals for work and study.
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Maybe, technically, there has been a slight drop, but that's not the whole trend.
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It's like when they say inflation is down from 7% or 8% down to 5%.
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It's better than it being higher, but it's still terrible.
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There is also the point that we still can't trust any of these figures.
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Was it in 2024 the numbers were revised nearer the end of the year?
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Yes, there was 270,000 that we had just missed that then got added into the figures.
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So you can't trust these figures as they are released.
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So even the New York Times across the Atlantic got in on this.
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Thanks for that condescending headline, New York Times.
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And the reality is if you could zoom out a little bit on that, Samson, so we can see it.
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So by getting immigration down, it's still higher than the pre-COVID levels anyway.
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So people from Europe, the kind of immigrants that are at least compatible with our society,
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Also record numbers of British people are going.
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So the untold story here is, well, actually, immigration is down in part because there was
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Massive Tory betrayal, basically, is one way of putting it.
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And so it's returning to still above COVID levels, which was still too high in the first
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place, as well as the fact that record numbers of white Europeans are leaving, basically.
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So they say that being replaced is just purely a conspiracy theory.
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I mean, if the EU or the British citizens are a net negative and people coming in or
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The way they get around this is they say that the conspiracy theory part is that it's deliberate,
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but they frame it in such a way that it makes it sound like, well, you're not being replaced.
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And they sort of weasel their words a little bit.
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I've noticed this sort of thing where they say, oh, the deliberate thing.
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And actually, lots of people that are talking about this are saying, well, it might not necessarily
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be a deliberate attempt to replace us in some sort of conspiratorial sense, but that's
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what's going to happen anyway, regardless of the intention.
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And it's not true anyway, because immigration policy is obviously a decision.
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I mean, similarly, you can go and find, was it Peter Mandelson saying that they basically
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sent out squads in the late 90s after New Labour got in to find people to rub the right's
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I mean, there couldn't be a stronger declaration of intent in that statement.
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And if we're to look at the actual numbers, Leo shared them, which was very helpful.
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So the net migration, obviously, we looked at that figure.
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So that's why we get this number, is that there's still large immigration, nearly a million people
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in the country, massively unsustainable, undesirable, also largely from outside of Europe now, from
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non-European countries, which means that these are people that are more likely to cause problems.
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But also, we're losing lots of Europeans as well, which is devastating, because these, basically,
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that emigration figure is productive people leaving, and that immigration figure is unproductive
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You know, emigration are the people that you can live alongside, and the immigration is certainly
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not, sort of giving you the long and short of it there.
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And as Maven rightfully points out here, the story here is people, especially EU migrants,
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That's a massive change in a relatively short period of time.
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And that's largely because of what's happening to the country, I imagine, is disincentivising
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Like, lots of Polish people are going home, because Poland's now probably a nicer place
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I was just about to say, exactly that, who can blame them?
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If you're from Scandinavia, or Belgium, or Holland, or Germany, or whatever.
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Why would you stay here, when your home country would probably be nicer now?
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And I mean, you know, I want them to be happier, so if they want to go home, that's fair enough.
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But at the same time, they're the kind of migrants who I'm most likely to miss, because
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they're actually contributing, and I can get along with them.
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You know, I've got a certain amount of camaraderie with fellow Europeans, whereas people from
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outside of Europe, or North America, or just basically, you know, the former Anglo colonies,
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That's why they leech off us, and don't feel bad about it.
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And there's more here as well, from Nomus Events, saying,
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they're doing exactly what they said they would do, using net migration figures to have visa
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expires offset the millions of people who arrived in the provisional figures.
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And this is basically the idea that you can use visas expiring, and they don't actually
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have to know for certain that these people have left.
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It's just that the visas expired, therefore they've left.
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Yeah, I got the year wrong, but he's saying here the 2022 figures were revised upwards by
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So we can get the figures now, but then a few years from now they might just go, oh,
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sorry, we lost a few hundred thousand down the back of the sofa, so actually it ends up
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Something like that, net immigration into the country.
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Thankfully, quite a few people actually picked up on a lot of these things.
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I saw Matt Goodwin here pointing out that, yes, actually, don't believe the hype.
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Lots of Brits and Europeans have left, that's part of the reason, and nearly 900,000 came
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There he is talking about 75% of all immigrants into the UK now coming from outside of Europe,
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which, again, are some of the worst offenders in terms of sponging off of us and causing
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Even Patrick Christie's of GB News was saying asylum seekers now make up 44% of net migration,
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which is an unusual way of putting it because they're at about 100,000 a year, and so they're
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But that's a weird way of looking at it because they count towards the figures anyway.
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What we can use that figure for is, in that case, to say that, yeah, in terms of overall
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amount of people who've come into the country, if you just have it as gross figures, it's
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Roughly a million people, not from Europe, not from countries where we want anybody, came
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into this country to take the place of a load of British people who left.
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And to victimise, demonise, and stagnate the wages of everybody else who's still here.
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And Morgoth gets it right, not that I'm surprised, saying that the immigration numbers aren't as
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peachy when you factor in native outflow, but we've been vindicated in viewing the Tories
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One thing I did find interesting is a representative of Migration Watch UK went on to Farage's show
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on GB News and started talking about the replacement of the white British, and he was basically saying
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like, yeah, this is still way too high, we're still being replaced.
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And Farage just says, wow, strong stuff, which I didn't quite know what to make of, because
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he didn't push back on it, which is very low expectation.
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But he sort of allowed it, which it's interesting that this is going on on GB News now, that they're
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saying this, they're not necessarily pushing back, because I can remember a few years ago
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that they might have pushed back on that sort of thing and saying, well, actually, no.
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I think that this should be the point of a spear, a point of attack that, you know, white
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British people, the people that this country is meant to serve, above all, are being replaced
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in our own country, which is not a good thing, obviously, for us.
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Well, it's the most important topic of our age.
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Well, also, if we fix that, we fix so many other problems that are caused in our society.
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Economic, crime, social, all of it is alleviated by dealing with this problem.
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Obviously, American, talking about America first, but, you know, he says the same thing.
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The war in Ukraine, the war in Israel, everything.
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If we're not going to deport millions of people, then why are we even, you know, focusing on
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Because that's the fundamental, foundational issue.
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So, now on to speculating whether these numbers actually reflect the reality, because a recent
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study found that one in five people living in the UK were born abroad, which, if the
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figures are to be believed, surely shouldn't be possible, right, at the current rates of
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And it says, the shock study last night sparked calls for an emergency census to stop the public
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from being kept in the dark about the true scale of the UK's foreign-born population.
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It analysed revised immigration data published this week by the Office for National Statistics
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and found around 19.6% of the UK's population was born abroad.
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This was up from 16% recorded in the last census of 2021.
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And it carries on to say, in the year 2022, it saw the fastest rate of population growth
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This is sort of following the Industrial Revolution when, obviously, you could have and afford a population
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explosion, but obviously we can't do that anymore.
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But it basically says that one in every 25 people in the UK today has arrived in the last
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Even that early 19th century, 1828, there wouldn't be foreign invaders.
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With an antithetical worldview, here to literally invade for Gibbs.
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And also, part of it would be, you know, lower infant mortality, better quality of food,
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and, you know, higher quality of living allowing this to happen, rather than people coming in
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In fact, to put it into perspective, this net migration is still the equivalent of a city
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the size of York, whose history obviously stretches back thousands of years.
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We're just going to create a new town every year with migrants.
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And, of course, hollow out our own towns because many people are leaving.
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And, in fact, some of the reality here is talked about by Migration Watch.
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And it says, nearly one and a half migrants from India, Bangladesh, and Pakistan arrived
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Just a quarter of a million left Britain in the same period.
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Net migration of 1.146 million, which is massive.
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We don't, I don't understand what a million Indians adds to Britain.
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And what happens, as we can see from Swindon outside, is that they recreate the conditions
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That's exactly what happens, especially considering they live in their own communities and push
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Well, we know all about the problems that they've caused.
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You took a walk down Manchester Road for a short video.
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Bangladeshis, you know, the nation associated with things like acid attacks.
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Pakistan, of course, perpetually associated with the grooming gangs.
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This is not GDP generating either because they don't contribute economically.
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In fact, in London, Bangladeshis and Pakistanis are more likely to be living in poverty than
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So, the argument that they're adding anything is insane to me.
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So, here's the Centre for Migration Control saying nearly 850,000 visas were granted in
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And the number that went to doctors was just 7,200.
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So, the doctor and engineer argument is sort of shrinking, isn't it?
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I'd be willing to bet that of that 7,200, quite a few were fraudulent anyway.
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How many of them were legitimately qualified, I wonder?
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We must be mad, literally mad, to have done such a thing.
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It's a small cabal of people at the top that are doing it to us against our will.
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Remember what our population, if it were normal or normalised, would be what?
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60 million, 65, 70 million top, something like that, isn't it?
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Are you talking about if there wasn't migrants in the country, if it was just the British people?
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Well, if it's England and Wales, it's 45 million.
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So, to just work on 800,000 here and 1.1 million there, that's crazy.
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And this isn't also counting all of the people who are going to be overstaying visas, disappearing into the system.
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Yeah, we have a certain idea of the amount of illegal immigrants who are in the country according to official records.
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Those who are actually recorded or caught or put into the system, who knows how many just get into the country and then disperse?
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Well, we don't have numbers for the people who've never interacted with the system, do we?
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You know, the people who've successfully got in the country illegally and were not caught at any point.
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No, they just work cash in hand at a barber shop.
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The best estimates that I've seen are stuff that refers more to sewage output and phone, unironically, and the amount of phone contracts in the country as well.
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All of that being massively over what you would expect if we only had the official population in the country that we have recorded.
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So there's at least probably 2, 3, 4, 5 million extra people in the country that aren't picked up by any of these figures.
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A true figure is something like you add up all everything, the data that comes out from, say, Tesco's and Sainsbury's and Asda for toilet roll, for example.
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And that will give you a truer reading than anything the Home Office will tell you.
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There are also people in Britain now that don't use toilet roll.
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So it's worth mentioning as well that refugees and people granted refugee status, usually this is the, on this hand side, is how many years they've been in the country and obviously the percentage of them in these income brackets.
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So for the largest one is less than £10,000 a year, which means you're a significant net financial negative.
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And you only start really contributing if you're the right-hand side of this orange bar.
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That's what, less than 5% after eight years, perhaps?
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Yeah, net tax contribution, as opposed to the benefits that you take from the, the benefits that we get from the system, is about £41,000 if I remember correctly.
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So you have to be earning on average about £41,000.
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But the rest of them, we're paying for ourselves.
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And of course, these people are known to cause so many problems, many asylum seekers, of course.
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Axel Rudibagana, whatever his name is, the son of Rwandan asylum seekers.
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So what we're doing is we're paying for people to murder children for us.
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And speaking of the finances, Leo here has actually got a good example of its stifling innovation.
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But because of the wage being so low, because we're importing all of the cheap labour,
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it's similar to sort of how slavery in the ancient world used to stifle economic innovation,
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The same thing is going on here, that without the financial pressures to innovate,
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They just use the cheap labour to do it that way.
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Whereas we could have a situation where, you know, we have automation and robots doing it
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with no need to have immigration at all in the first place.
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We can have lots of jobs filled, you know, even with just the white British population.
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But we can't even get to that point now, because migration is preventing us from transitioning
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into the natural progression of our economy, basically.
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And this is essentially, and I don't want to play into slave narratives or anything like that,
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Sorry, I don't care about what may have happened to your ancestors hundreds of years ago.
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But it is essentially an evolution of that same process of...
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Of saying, of those in the elite upper class, when they become too decadent,
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when they are too disconnected from those beneath them,
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they decide, well, it would be a lot cheaper for us to just import a load of foreigners
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And it means that they are entirely beholden to us,
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and we can just get whatever we want for as cheap as possible.
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I mean, that's basically what happened to Rome,
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when all of a sudden, like, the average Roman would have looked about and gone,
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that preceded the collapse of the Roman Empire.
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because apparently, after a certain point of civilizational peaking,
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You can check out my epochs on Tiberius Gracchus
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and quotes from Plutarch and stuff on that very issue.
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there's quite a lot of, like, Roman philosophers and thinkers and writers
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just complaining about how foreign everyone is, isn't there?
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So, the final thing I wanted to look at is, of course,
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Before mass migration, GDP growth was 4% or 5%,
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the size of our economy would potentially double, right?
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And so, this stagnant GDP growth is not normal,
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and, you know, it's easier to explain this at a personal level.
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Well, if a millionaire only grew their wealth by 15,000 pounds,
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you would say they had a bad year that year, right?
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and probably the only reason there's not degrowth
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that's sort of the most terrifying thing about it.
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You end up with a South Africa or Yugoslavia-style situation.
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is it debt to GDP is going to rise to its highest ever?
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because there's going to be a lot of deficit spending.
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I know that one in every pound spent by the government
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which Rachel Reeves herself admitted in her budget,
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our national debt is something like 2.5 trillion.
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Which is why the system is designed to keep you poor.
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They constantly want to be propping up all of these people
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when all of your money is being taxed away from you
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so you have no disposable income to spend anything on.
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because their own backbenchers will coup them into non-existence.
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Mine's not going to make anybody feel any better.
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I would be inclined to distrust these statistics
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officially records or differentiates by ethnicity.
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EU, British, non-EU migration figures right now.
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one, I wouldn't abandon the homeland like that.
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This is the general trend of politics right now.
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Some people think it makes their tummies go icky.
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One of the worst things to ever happen in history
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and would be willing to trade their own countrymen
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which actually aren't even really exotic foreign foods
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And that's where I'm going to be talking about today.