The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1307

00:00:00.000 hello and welcome to the podcast of the load seaters episode 1307 for monday the 1st of

00:00:06.400 december 2025 i'm your host luke joined today by brother stelios hello everyone brother firas

00:00:12.580 hello good afternoon and uh it is the 1st of december so we are now fully in the christmas

00:00:19.560 period ladies and gentlemen merry christmas feel free to shout it from the rooftops far and wide

00:00:25.260 get the spirit going and with that i also just want to say at three o'clock we've got firas's

00:00:31.640 realpolitik what are you talking about today firas oh fun topics we're trying out a new format actually

00:00:37.660 which is to do several things together so we're doing uh hezbollah iran venezuela and ukraine

00:00:44.200 10 15 minutes on each of them and questions from the audience and um yeah we'll see how it goes

00:00:51.100 all right so be there for that and also just to say as regards to what we're going to be talking

00:00:56.080 about today of course we are basically going to try out a new format so for the foreseeable future

00:01:01.340 rather than when you tune in for the podcasting you get three different segments about three

00:01:06.460 different things what we're going to do is we're going to have a broader deeper discussion of one

00:01:12.020 particular topic and we think that you'll benefit from this by having a richer analysis where we have

00:01:17.480 more time we're not thinking about the clock and other people's segments we're just able to have

00:01:21.900 a really in-depth discussion so we hope that you enjoy this test of that formula today and we're

00:01:29.060 looking forward to going through what we have to discuss because what we're discussing today

00:01:33.580 is the absolute train wreck that was your party which has been officially decided by the members it is

00:01:41.340 now always was always will be your party and we're going to be talking about the very soviet operation

00:01:48.580 that it seems to be operating with so it was hilarious you know i can't stop laughing no i had

00:01:55.480 hysterical laughter incidents in the office today yeah i i kept looking over at stelios thinking oh my gosh

00:02:02.480 he's wincing in terrible pain actually what it was he was creasing so hard from the laughter so let's just

00:02:09.160 start recapping shall we of how we got here so obviously the political landscape in britain is

00:02:16.080 changing very very rapidly at this point we're seeing what could well be the total extinction

00:02:22.860 of the labor party and of the conservative party and the total death of blairism right what we're seeing

00:02:31.140 is that more and more people now we're moving away from the 20th century where we voted labor because

00:02:37.360 my grandfather voted labor and actually what we're seeing now is a greater plurality of choice

00:02:42.900 and what we're finding is when we look at the polls and the way that the trajectory seems to be going

00:02:48.680 is that actually people are not satisfied with the middle ground they either want something

00:02:53.560 populist right or populist left and obviously whilst we know who the figurehead is for the populist right

00:03:02.560 even though he recently came out and said he wasn't a populist after all but is nigel farage non the left 0.92

00:03:08.580 nonetheless and but then we have the left now the left is a very very interesting uh group of people

00:03:17.380 in british politics because by by interesting you mean worthy of an insane asylum yes yes and they do love

00:03:24.920 their splinter groups right they are these are the people's front of judea uh when it when it comes to

00:03:30.860 british politics so we had of course two figures there right in front of you jeremy corbyn zara sultana

00:03:36.800 both of whom used to be members of the labor party in in fact i'm sure in some sort from some sort of

00:03:43.180 fever dream uh jeremy corbyn used to in fact be the leader of the labor party yes one time were these

00:03:49.940 badly well that was the that was one of the worst performances of a labor leader against bojo

00:03:56.500 well here well here's the thing right on the one hand he did gain more votes than kia stana

00:04:02.460 managed to obtain in the last general election however alternatively he also lost let's not forget

00:04:09.500 as well as bojo he also lost an election against theresa may yes and that in and of itself means that

00:04:16.980 there is something somewhat dismissive about your politics right the country has to really reject you

00:04:23.760 to choose theresa may yes and so what we have here as well was that ever since well before uh jeremy

00:04:32.540 corbyn had even announced this party we had the case of zara sultana after she had the whip removed 0.88

00:04:38.140 from her saying well i'm gonna go to jeremy corbyn's party and i'll co-lead it she said like it like a

00:04:44.160 democrat she just accepted that she's going to have one of the most important voices in this thing 0.54

00:04:49.580 presumably and this is quite important actually because she was already a sitting mp yes so the

00:04:56.380 implication is that because you are in parliament you've already been voted in via democratic mandate

00:05:01.920 of your constituents you are going to have a more important voice in it and we'll we'll put a pin in

00:05:07.840 that until we deal with uh how the rest of the mps have fared in the party as we go through the

00:05:14.040 conference but also just to say as well of course jeremy corbyn hadn't even announced a party at this

00:05:20.360 point when she just leapfrogged stole his thunder and said i'm gonna go work with corbyn and we're

00:05:25.380 gonna we're gonna destroy you all we're gonna take the effing lot as she quoted on stage which is 0.68

00:05:31.500 really the brand of her politics and so then let's not forget that ever since zara sort of um jumped 1.00

00:05:40.200 the gun on this and then forced her way into it she also went on to basically scam 80 000 pounds 1.00

00:05:48.280 800 000 sorry 800 000 pounds out of uh your party membership

00:05:54.320 she basically set up an independent website yes not associated with your party not the official

00:06:02.320 channels no use the mailing list of the party to raise money managed to raise 800 000 pounds

00:06:11.000 still hasn't repaid that amount in full no there is a legal dispute over it and she clearly violated

00:06:19.240 various european and british privacy laws by accessing the members list um improperly

00:06:27.680 and they could sue her for it but they've they're sort of stuck with her because the more radical

00:06:36.380 not islamist elements of the party seem to like her as proven by the fact that she managed to raise

00:06:44.400 800 000 pounds in a matter of days sure maybe she's gonna launch a crypto coin for funding the party 1.00

00:06:49.840 in the days to come maybe like uh that would be an interesting fusion between the uh modern uh

00:06:57.440 oligarchy and and and the old school communists so really the the point is as well that this has not

00:07:03.980 been a smooth birth birth for a party whatsoever this has been a deeply ugly affair full of very very

00:07:13.460 volatile personalities yes and really if we're just looking at this objectively obviously jeremy

00:07:20.760 corbyn should have just led it right obviously jeremy corbyn should have just i mean i i don't know

00:07:26.320 because whoever loses many times especially must leave and he just doesn't doesn't want to go away

00:07:34.360 no this is i i understand that but also he has the cult of personality around him that would get

00:07:41.020 the party's for some forward momentum in its early stages also he is the seasoned veteran he is one

00:07:48.940 who has been in parliament itself since the 80s there are many pragmatic reasons yeah but you're not

00:07:54.580 thinking as a leftist from a leftist perspective nothing of this oh i'm thinking as a pragmatist

00:07:59.240 yeah well they are not gonna get exactly to that but they're not pragmatist no they are not

00:08:04.580 realist and so ultimately as well we have to remember that zara sultana leveled some seriously

00:08:11.460 uh cool allegations yes about against your party being a sexist boys club which you know i'd say

00:08:18.540 was a hell of a pitch i actually almost joined to be honest with you after hearing that um but

00:08:23.640 nonetheless i um i i ended up not doing because in the end the sexist boys decided to leave the party

00:08:30.800 yeah so if they're not there i'm i'm not going to go for it either unfortunately that was the only

00:08:35.420 thing keeping me interested but ultimately so you have iqbal muhammad and you also have um

00:08:41.860 adnan hussein who both have left the party very very recently just talking about the uh well zara

00:08:49.740 sultana and it's it's worth pausing there and going a little bit into the sort of idea behind this

00:08:55.360 sure this was supposed to be uniting the left largely around the cause of gaza yes with the

00:09:03.400 islamists uh the left sees that there's an opportunity when it comes to the muslim vote

00:09:09.340 who are dissatisfied with the labor party because of its support for israel jeremy corbyn was seen as

00:09:15.760 a staunch and reliable leader because of his long history of opposition to israel and israeli

00:09:21.840 expansionism and and things of that nature yep he got the um five gaza mps uh with him and launched

00:09:32.000 something called the independent alliance which was supposed to be a block of mps um advocating for

00:09:38.840 this kind of interest with jeremy corbyn as a nice figurehead similar to zach polanski for the greens

00:09:43.820 uh giving it a genuine left-wing flavor in order to bring together these two constituencies

00:09:51.360 then zara sultana pointed out the bloody obvious which is that this is going to be an incredibly

00:09:57.900 sexist movement by definition because the five gaza mps are pakistanis and magladeshis and that is the 0.87

00:10:06.720 culture and so she in a way triggered a purity spiral in the party which has led to endless

00:10:16.800 comedy as as as we are going to explore in a moment so he brought the quiz for palestine and they told

00:10:22.400 him thank you very much now we get we we're getting control yes we're here we're here to take the whole

00:10:28.960 thing and so we have this um towards the start of the conference this remarkable clip i shan't play at

00:10:34.400 all but uh for jeremy corbyn being interviewed about a little bit bumpy over the last few months in the

00:10:39.960 setup of the party well we didn't find a handbook on how to form political parties so yes there have

00:10:45.660 been yeah of course there's been some problems of course there's been some stresses and strains but i

00:10:50.440 tell you what it's got a lot better in the last few days and weeks and uh we're going to get

00:10:55.800 with this weekend and we're going to come out of it with an effective alternative left political

00:11:01.660 voice in our society and that's something i'm going to be very proud of when we've achieved it

00:11:05.820 by sunday night zara sultana obviously is a it's another big voice she's here you two friends

00:11:12.220 with colleagues in parliament um and we obviously communicate and so we'll see each other tomorrow

00:11:19.000 morning in the conference and she'll be speaking there so would you consider her a friend well she's

00:11:24.200 a colleague you know that's one way of saying it he can't lead a party i mean we know it but he

00:11:30.340 can't lead it he seems to me like the academic type he's there the he thinks is the professor 1.00

00:11:37.240 dealing with unruly children it's it's not like that he's literally the trotsky yeah he's stupid 0.99

00:11:41.820 he's literally the trotsky he's the he's the theoretician he doesn't have trotsky's military genius 0.99

00:11:46.680 he doesn't have trotsky's organizational genius but he is very much the theoretician but the

00:11:53.140 organization has passed him yeah he's naive in a way um but also what's more as well so you have

00:12:00.740 jeremy corbyn on stage you know and occasionally you say the word palestine and everyone cheers and

00:12:05.540 this is all very agreeable and everyone can get around this and then also of course um jeremy

00:12:10.460 corbyn will call for nationalization of public utilities water all these sorts of things not even

00:12:16.060 policies uh on principle i actually think that the broader british public could not get behind yes right

00:12:22.180 when it comes to like uh keeping our basic utilities yes in the hands of the british people

00:12:27.420 not selling them off privatizing them to foreign contractors and companies right that i understand

00:12:32.460 that or worse hedge funds or worse but ultimately the problem is that jeremy corbyn is saddled with a

00:12:41.540 party of his own making and really what you have when you had um back you remember back to his time when

00:12:47.940 he was leader of the labor party of course and there was that whole push for momentum right so you

00:12:53.720 had you all of a sudden you had this organization within the labor party itself momentum and this was

00:12:59.640 bear in mind this 2017 so we're really snowballing into the hellhole that was the peak of woke and it

00:13:08.020 just being everywhere and momentum were like a really zealous pressure group that were of course just pushing

00:13:15.700 for this all of the time being very very zealous and basically just bullying people into accepting

00:13:22.420 their positions which is something they still do through antifa and through the i mean the left

00:13:27.620 relationship with violence is long-standing well-established and and sort of integral to their

00:13:33.500 world view it's his frankenstein exactly the thing is as well that those momentum types the sort of

00:13:41.140 carrot type of momentum character that we saw from all of those years have obviously tagged along for the ride now

00:13:47.860 and the thing is they weren't particularly impressive then and nor would i particularly say that they seem like

00:13:55.220 the most charismatic enlightened thinkers of our day now the first one you show showed is a bit impressive i mean i think

00:14:03.780 yeah she has you'd vote for yeah yeah she the force is strong inside i mean the the

00:14:12.260 vision of these people the image of these people shaking their fists

00:14:16.740 knowing how little upper body strength they have

00:14:21.140 is comical you cannot see this and say yeah but it's the feast of the people yes i the fist of the

00:14:29.060 people yes i suppose so of course the uh the communists uh were very out and proud and just

00:14:35.300 the communist party themselves went to go and check it out see what good words of uh alliance and

00:14:41.620 solidarity i suppose is the word i'm looking for yeah uh could be had with your party but ultimately

00:14:48.020 the thing is as well that you had uh untold numbers and honestly i could have drawn so many examples

00:14:56.580 yes of just the types of speaker the type of things you remember back when callum used to do those

00:15:01.540 labour party conference montages and the point is they've all just moved with corbyn

00:15:07.860 hello my name's micks billy gibson and i'm a non-binary person give it up for the trans people 0.99

00:15:14.420 everybody thank you comrades and it is an honor and a privilege to be stood speaking on this podium today

00:15:23.220 the reason i am saying yes to socialism in this political statement is because as a trans comrade

00:15:31.700 as a disabled comrade as a mad comrade and a neurodivergent comrade i i think she's she is going

00:15:39.860 to be the next leader i can't imagine why adnan hussein couldn't proclaim himself to be a trans

00:15:47.940 comrade yeah no i don't be far as trans comrades i uh it's a it's a real head scratcher one thing i

00:15:54.260 want to say is we have two muslim mps leaving the party but that doesn't mean that your party now is

00:16:01.700 only the trans party no no not at all because if you if you played the previous clip not many people

00:16:08.740 are clapping most people aren't happy there it's awkward yes it's just cringe yeah it's genuinely

00:16:15.220 cringe it's openly awkward however they have built that the the highest quality that they seem to

00:16:23.540 regard is inclusivity yes right they never shut up about inclusivity and so it doesn't matter

00:16:30.740 whether you have deadweights and albatrosses and just things that are dragging your party down yes

00:16:36.660 that you know just the dead weight you know to create a leaner beast so you can that was a beast for

00:16:44.260 sure you uh you you take my meaning yes and so um ultimately you're in this place now where they're 0.67

00:16:50.820 just being embarrassed because all of their lunatics rise to the top and because also the the other thing

00:16:58.340 as well is that they place the word democratic right democratic is simply a synonym in their books for

00:17:06.340 good yes if something is not democratic then it is not good if it is democratic then it is good 0.74

00:17:13.540 i want to disagree with one word you use which is lunatics i think they should be very much

00:17:20.420 um incentivized to carry on what they're doing oh they have all the incentive they need yeah yes i

00:17:26.580 don't think they're lunatic no they're not going to waver don't worry you're going to be entertained

00:17:30.500 by all of this for many months possibly years to come stelliott i'm not sufficiently entertained yet

00:17:36.020 well how about this then hi there conference uh my name is erin from glasgow when this party started

00:17:44.100 it included two mps who are openly transphobic one of whom was a landlord this party preaches unity and

00:17:52.020 the quality for its working class members i'm sorry i need to stop you there for calling them

00:17:56.900 transphobic from the rostrum can you please stick to the motion oh now she disagrees with it when someone

00:18:03.300 from the right does it it's you're straightforwardly transphobic two members who allegedly express

00:18:10.500 transphobic views one of them is even a landlord this is the thing do you you feel the depth of

00:18:19.780 resentment animating this man yes and i think this guy was kicked out of a previous party is that him

00:18:27.220 yes yes yes so basically he was allegedly uh texting a 13 year old child essentially grooming

00:18:38.420 and this is why he ended up getting kicked out of the greens the fact that there is as as you pointed

00:18:46.180 out earlier no gatekeeping mechanism to keep somebody out who has apparently been involved in in grooming to

00:18:56.740 the extent that the scottish greens rejected him um point is quite serious so they don't have a way

00:19:07.220 of saying what do we want or and who are we because they insist that this is inclusive and so on whereas

00:19:16.500 the only way to make anything function is to be exclusive absolutely yes yes of course and one thing to

00:19:25.140 add here is that it seems to me that the reason why they don't do this is ideological in their minds yes

00:19:31.060 because they seem to be peak woke yes and what they'd have what they say here is the following well

00:19:40.260 this person is more oppressed than the 13 year old because most probably the 13 year old

00:19:46.740 is part of a group that in the hierarchy of the oppression calculus it's higher than that

00:19:53.380 and their modus operandi involves the principle whoever screams they're more oppressed

00:20:00.580 whoever is a member of the more oppressed groups yes their demands must be met yes

00:20:06.500 absolutely how can you argue against this but now it's interesting because you you do see that

00:20:13.140 this person starts saying transphobic and the panel says no it's not

00:20:18.660 because they don't want to poison corbyn's political lives yeah queers for palestine finding out what 0.98

00:20:24.020 palestine is like yeah well this is this is really the point isn't it that basically every single person

00:20:32.020 i put good uh good money on it um in that conference hall basically agrees on free palestine yeah that's

00:20:39.300 that's that's a single thing that every single one of them can unite around everything else in there

00:20:46.580 is really hotly debated and not just that the the nature of this thing is that it must include a

00:20:54.340 purity spiral because no matter what you do you are never good enough yeah and this is why i keep saying

00:21:00.980 that the left is in a very real sense a bunch of christian heretics um they accept that there is a

00:21:10.420 better thing that must happen they don't accept that they themselves are at fault they insist that

00:21:17.060 everybody else is at fault so they don't accept original sin they just believe that everybody else

00:21:20.740 is sinful and so the temptation is to always accuse everyone else of not being sufficiently ideologically

00:21:28.100 committed and so the first thing that you do when you get on stage is to look at your allies and

00:21:32.740 call them transphobic because they are not pure enough in their ideology now from a christian

00:21:38.900 perspective we all know that we fall short we're invited to be more like christ this is what we're

00:21:43.780 supposed to be doing but we accept that we have original sin and therefore we will fall short for

00:21:50.020 them it's sort of inverted they themselves because they are the ultimate victims are the purest of the

00:21:56.260 poor of of the pure and therefore they are by definition the best and everybody else is failing

00:22:04.340 and isn't good enough so this thing is deeply built into it because it doesn't correctly balance

00:22:11.860 original sin and divine grace they believe that they're full of grace they believe that they are

00:22:16.180 the righteous they believe that they are the good and everybody else including their own allies including

00:22:20.980 the people who they need to work with to have any hope of any political success is bad but including

00:22:27.220 the people who go right to the top of the party yes because it's just not the greatest optics really

00:22:33.860 when zara sultana is boycotting her own party's conference on the first day now this actually goes ties 1.00

00:22:43.060 very well back to all of this malarkey because ultimately it's down to the fact that zara sultana

00:22:50.020 was deeply offended by the fact that people who had were part of other parties had got gone to the

00:22:58.500 conference and saying well no if you're a part of the other another party obviously you can't come here

00:23:03.700 and or you know you have a past record of these parties and so zara sultana basically a bunch of

00:23:09.540 people were expelled from the conference and were told they couldn't come in and zara sultana boycotted

00:23:15.220 it on these lines it's like zara you're letting in people like this i i've thought after stories like

00:23:22.820 this you'd want your security and your gatekeeping to be tighter not slacker right but all of a sudden

00:23:28.660 you're humiliating your own who the sort of figurehead of your own party by making him have to answer

00:23:37.940 all of these awkward questions on live tv which is really the only thing you've brought to the

00:23:43.460 party for the past quarter of a year um that you've been with it and so we get her saying things such

00:23:50.900 as these would you like those who've been expelled to be reinstated absolutely they shouldn't have been

00:23:55.780 expelled in the first place these are groups that don't even run in elections and if we are here to

00:24:00.580 be the home of the left a home for all socialists this is not how you treat members this is what the

00:24:06.340 labour party did where people were expelled members were treated just like volunteers not

00:24:11.700 allowed to actually make decisions and just thrown on the scrap heap we are here to treat people with

00:24:15.860 respect and end toxic culture that is ridden with leaks to the press smears allegations and sabotage

00:24:22.420 including what happened to me before i went on bbc question time i will just note as well all of the

00:24:27.780 things that she is accusing the party of being guilty of are not things that you hear i mean for all of

00:24:34.340 their faults and i obviously despise them but they're not stories that you hear every single

00:24:39.460 day coming out of the green party no no right they're just not zap polanski for all of his flaws

00:24:46.100 just managed to win a leadership election and said follow me boys girls and thems we're gonna you know

00:24:53.380 go and become the the greatest left-wing force in the country give him time well i'll give him time

00:24:59.620 well i'll give him plenty of time but my point is that it shouldn't be this ugly this early on

00:25:07.380 in the process of when corbyn says oh there's no handbook on how to start a party it's like well

00:25:13.460 jeremy there's been hundreds of political parties started throughout history and he's in the process

00:25:20.180 of writing the handbook of how not to start a political party yes so there's that it's so true and so

00:25:26.820 you eventually get this was hilarious my name is tam uh tam dean burn from glasgow north branch and

00:25:37.140 glasgow branch committee of the union equity i agree with penny what she said that there is an absolute

00:25:45.780 necessity to start trusting the membership also there is another necessity

00:25:52.740 opportunity we have been shown proven time and time again here that we cannot trust those who are in

00:26:02.020 the positions of power and leadership in this organization up until now they have failed us

00:26:08.820 comrades so it's abundantly clear that the membership must be given power in the branches we must be given

00:26:19.380 immediately all of the data so that we can reach out to the 850 000 people who showed a great interest

00:26:29.380 in this party we've got to win them back again we need by 850 000 people i assume he's referring to the

00:26:38.740 newsletter that you could sign up for for free that everyone was signing up to with uh fake email

00:26:44.900 addresses i mean you know i popped a few in um but it's you know well i want to keep up how i ended up

00:26:51.300 signed up to your party thank you and so you have all of a sudden like the first conference this war

00:26:58.980 between the people who have set it up the reason that there is even a conference happening in the

00:27:04.900 first place yes and the membership who are going not ideologically um but how orthodox enough what i don't

00:27:12.820 understand is how did they choose their speakers i mean there's a there's how did you choose

00:27:19.460 a bunch of speakers whose first act is going to be to rail against you i suspect there's a there must

00:27:26.020 be a vetting process or an iq test or something i i don't think they have iq tests uh aren't these racist

00:27:34.020 very maybe they have a non-racist iq test and though it does seem like uh democracy has

00:27:41.540 won out in one way we can finally agree that your party members vote to make uh the name permanent

00:27:48.820 at what even the guardian are admitting was a tense first conference and so when zara sulzana said back

00:27:56.500 in july it's not called your party well it is now so uh that's nice at least we can do away with all

00:28:04.100 that if you if you go back to corbin's face on the guardian article this is just the look of

00:28:09.860 desperation this is zarathustra with a lamp searching for an honest person

00:28:20.180 what a bunch of lunatics it really is just he actually he actually made it and it's it's absolutely

00:28:25.700 deserved right absolutely well absolutely but the thing is as well right corbin this entire time 0.95

00:28:31.780 his entire answer has just been well the right thing to do is always just whatever the membership

00:28:39.940 decide is to do and that is a terrible terrible decision because on the one hand right you have

00:28:48.740 the the tories are a perfect example of the absolute opposite right they didn't listen to their

00:28:54.980 membership their grassroots whatsoever right all of the tories everyone just voting in the torah

00:29:01.060 constituencies saying less immigration less immigration and the tory uh elites are just

00:29:06.820 doing whatever they bloody well like right so yeah sure that's bad but it's alternatively

00:29:12.580 just as bad a decision to basically just hand over the trajectory of this party to whatever the

00:29:21.540 majority decision is all of the time because ultimately as well there's no synthesis of how those

00:29:27.780 two things can work together what if you pick to nationalize all of the utilities and then also

00:29:34.180 you're trying to basically get rid of islamophobia right the the conference votes to abolish islamif

00:29:40.180 well not to abolish islamophobia the term but you know what i mean yes to go hard on uh muslim hate 0.91

00:29:45.860 and then simultaneously you know to go down the lgbt stuff like all of these views are incompatible but

00:29:53.060 they're all going to be voted through so you've got no direction here a leader jeremy should have

00:30:00.260 just led from the front said look it just needs one person to be there as a head of the party to

00:30:05.700 turn up to question time to turn up for the interviews and all those sorts of things you

00:30:10.500 know when it comes to the leadership debates but ultimately what we're going to do have a committee of

00:30:15.380 10 sat on question time next to the tory mp and the labor mp and it's just absurd there's a famous

00:30:23.860 speech from khomeini where he goes um i will what was it we will do exactly what the people want and

00:30:32.900 we will do whatever it is that is the will of the people and i will interpret the will of the people

00:30:38.500 and this sort of combines the two perfectly because he says i have divine authority to rule over you

00:30:45.220 and i will do what you want right and that's kind of necessary because that's the art of leadership

00:30:50.660 you want to appeal to your public you want to do what they want but you can't do everything that

00:30:55.940 they want you've got to be able to manage this process and to manage the party but it's completely

00:31:01.860 impossible under these kinds of principles well the other thing to say as well is that it's one thing to

00:31:07.060 say the people and it's another thing to say these people yes not all people are the same yes and so

00:31:16.500 uh leaving it to these bright individuals might be something of an error and so ultimately what we

00:31:23.860 get down to is really what i feel like is such a spiritually you know in sync thing which is for a

00:31:31.220 just singing john lennon's imagine whilst leaving the party conference i mean that really does just

00:31:38.420 wrap it all up doesn't it it's just um an air-headed conference of idealism and dreams and none of it is

00:31:44.820 really based in reality and it's just pure utopian well dystopian from my point of view nonsense of course

00:31:52.180 but ultimately i cannot see how on earth after this first conference this party is going to be able to

00:32:00.020 go forward because as a recent mp for the party adnan hussein pointed out couldn't think of a better

00:32:06.660 gift to reform than calling for communism uh slash marxism all hopes of a mass all-encompassing movement

00:32:13.700 burnt to the ground just to create another fringe factional echo chamber of which this country already

00:32:20.580 has uh has many yeah but it was always going to happen adnan the sense of political reality that the

00:32:28.260 muslim mps have far exceeds the sense of reality that the rest of your party seem to have oh you're 1.00

00:32:36.260 absolutely right that they're much more politically realistic than that's why he left that's why he

00:32:41.140 left it and the the i mean there was a um person who was sitting on the podium there she was shouting 1.00

00:32:48.980 at one of the delegates who was um you know coloring outside the lines in his speech and uh some of the

00:32:55.940 the people in the crowd started to get rowdy and her response was i visited my father in evin prison

00:33:02.020 you will not intimidate me now for those of you who don't know evin prison is a notorious jail in iran

00:33:08.900 where khomeini the arch islamist sent pretty much all of the communists before he executed them so what 0.83

00:33:15.380 you have in this party is a bunch of people who are fundamentally incapable of learning this is a woman who 1.00

00:33:22.420 her father presumably was sent to evin possibly because of communist ties she is persian she is

00:33:29.060 iranian she understands the limits of the islamist uh alliance with the left she's seen in her own

00:33:37.140 country how when allied with the islamists everybody got pretty much executed and then she decides you 0.77

00:33:45.220 know what i need to do i need to join another coalition of leftists and islamists that's the way forward 0.68

00:33:51.380 this why because of gaza but this time it will work but this time it's going to be different real

00:33:57.140 islamo leftism's never been tried yet islamists have a much better sense of reality than the leftists 0.95

00:34:03.620 because they understand how to wield power and they understand how to pursue power whereas for the left

00:34:09.220 it is largely a purity spiral and they get stuck in this purity spiral all the way well honestly sorry

00:34:17.300 for us to just interject but this is a what you're saying and just to fully bolster you on this point

00:34:22.900 is when uh adnan hussein wrote this piece saying why i walked away from your party i'm just going to

00:34:28.660 read you a single paragraph on from this and it makes it's more sensible than anything you will have

00:34:36.260 heard over three days at that conference right so adnan just says the problem is ideological absolutism

00:34:43.300 masquerading as progressive principle there is a strain of thought on the left that sees socially

00:34:48.820 conservative views as a pathology to be corrected it is rooted in an assumption improves someone's

00:34:55.780 economic conditions and their social attitudes will inevitably liberalize this is historically

00:35:02.100 sociologically and politically illiterate human beings are not economic widgets people hold on to

00:35:08.100 their traditions beliefs and identities because they are meaningful not because they are materially

00:35:13.460 convenient adnan hussein makes the case for remigration yeah cheers adnan thank you we appreciate

00:35:19.540 that i mean he's telling you exactly the truth he's telling you that people will be who they are yes

00:35:25.140 regardless of where you put them and regardless of their economic conditions and this is why you know

00:35:31.780 uh south africa or rhodesia shall we say to be less controversial uh rhodesia was a functioning country

00:35:39.860 whereas zimbabwe cannot be so people will be who they are and there is this reality that's staring at us

00:35:46.500 in the face and it's a very inconvenient reality including from a christian perspective um but it is

00:35:51.940 the truth and you just have to admit it and you have to face it and these guys can't do it all they want

00:35:59.220 is this endless spiral of more and more progressivism until everybody is a non-binary atomized nothing 1.00

00:36:08.580 bugman from nowhere and this is the ambition and so ultimately after the great first launch of the

00:36:17.140 your party conference what we've walked away from all of this with is some illusion that they they

00:36:24.180 they care deeply about palestine some some hints that they also um are willing to die on the hill 0.72

00:36:30.820 of trans rights yes and that they believe so there's actually two genocides going on and somehow what's

00:36:36.660 happening to trans people and what's happening to palestinians they both fit the category of that word 1.00

00:36:43.220 yes there's no stretch there they're totally dissimilar uh similar things sorry and so and also what's more

00:36:50.340 we've had it being boycotted by one of its highest profile people on the first day and then jeremy

00:36:57.540 corbyn who founded this entire thing has gone in to at the beginning of it just kind of expecting to walk

00:37:05.220 out as a leader and has basically been overruled by a 51 to 49 win um by the membership to basically say

00:37:15.380 actually corbyn we'd rather go for a collective leadership style and so it truly is just the

00:37:22.820 soviet union all the way down with factionalism uh with anti-soviet behavior or anti-trans behavior

00:37:31.380 uh with misspeaking and having to say oh there's no problem and obviously ultimately starling will be

00:37:38.660 loving this yeah it's it's beautiful it's beautiful um and you sort of have to look at them here

00:37:45.220 and ask yourself if you're slightly conspiratorial have they been infiltrated or are they just like

00:37:53.300 this because one of the things that the cia came up with was a manual in 1944 as to how to sabotage

00:38:01.060 everything the beautiful thing about it is that these people just do it naturally they don't need

00:38:06.420 the sabotage they don't need any outside exactly they themselves are the saboteurs so in in this uh

00:38:13.860 piece here from this manual from the cia which i thought was absolutely hilarious because when i

00:38:19.140 was looking at what this what's your comfort your party was doing i thought well that's that's exactly

00:38:24.420 right uh that's exactly what they're doing so one of the pieces of advice is talk as frequently as

00:38:31.700 possible and at great length illustrate your points by long anecdotes and accounts of your personal

00:38:37.460 experience this is fundamentally the trans speakers that we see you know talk to us about how you're

00:38:43.220 oppressed their issue is the most important issue in the exactly exactly bring up irrelevant issues as

00:38:49.460 frequently as possible the trans speakers haggle over precise wording are they transphobic or allegedly

00:38:56.740 transphobic again refer back to matters decided upon so don't let anything be resolved they've been

00:39:04.900 kicked out of the party or they've left the party but we must insist on discussing them endlessly

00:39:09.780 and blaming them for one of them being a landlord uh be worried about the propriety of any decision

00:39:17.700 so has this been properly voted on is this really an expression of the will of the public this is exactly

00:39:23.780 what they were talking about in your party and i don't i'm not conspiratorial enough to think that

00:39:29.460 they were penetrated by the cia in order to make them do this i think they're genuinely like this

00:39:36.100 well one thing to say as well sorry go on studies i wanted to say that these cases no talk large

00:39:44.500 assemblies they offer great case studies for when how things are not working yes so if you want to compile a

00:39:52.260 list of how to how to disrupt things when they are working yes you all you have to do is look at people

00:40:01.220 like that yeah i mean i mean it's it's just beautiful and then the fact that they consist

00:40:07.940 that they constantly insist on this purity spiral on being holier than thou on accusing everybody else of

00:40:14.660 not adhering properly to the revolution and to what the workers want and to this and that and the other

00:40:19.860 they don't see that it alienates everyone else and they can't have enough pragmatism

00:40:27.460 to say well we're going to compromise on point b in order to achieve objective a

00:40:34.180 well one of the sayings of politics isn't it is that battles have to be small enough to win but big

00:40:39.700 enough to matter yes i suppose uh but for them everything matters equally right because there is this

00:40:46.900 spirit of puritanism that animates them and they can't control themselves and it's very reminiscent

00:40:55.460 of the early struggles within the communist party in the soviet union in that the various factions

00:41:02.020 tried to align together against stalin but stalin was the superior administrator and he managed to

00:41:08.580 slowly take control of the party apparatus and pull the rug from under somebody like trotsky who was

00:41:15.780 far more capable in terms of erratory skills theoretical skills and even military organization so this

00:41:24.020 kind of um these kinds of machinations are deeply entwined within the soviet tradition and within the

00:41:32.260 leftist tradition where you see them endlessly stabbing each other in the back and plotting against each

00:41:37.700 other so to get trotsky out stalin allied with two other two others of his comrades uh who were

00:41:43.940 considered to be on the right of the party uh there's a bit of a lesson there and they decided to forgo

00:41:51.620 the idea of endlessly exporting the revolution and launching an armed revolution across europe in order

00:41:58.820 to bring about the communist utopia and to focus on what was attainable within the territory that they

00:42:04.980 controlled that is the soviet union and in the long term it worked because stalin ended up in control of

00:42:12.420 all of eastern europe and half of central europe so it it was a proven strategy but that didn't

00:42:18.740 satisfy stalin because after he consolidated power he then turned on his former allies and had them executed

00:42:26.740 and you see this mindset in the left why because they are animated by resentment because they're animated

00:42:34.420 by hatred they're animated by anger they want to create a utopia now whereas every christian will

00:42:42.500 tell you this is a fallen world we are meant to suffer in this world until we reach the next one

00:42:48.100 the actually i believe trotsky once literally promised he was making fun of religious leaders

00:42:54.020 and saying let them promise you a utopia in the afterlife we will deliver to you a utopia here in your lives

00:43:00.420 and this is the exact same thinking that is animating your party it's the same exact mindset it's just

00:43:07.620 slightly tinkered with uh instead of the traditional workers proletariat you have the oppressed classes

00:43:15.620 including the muslims who are viewed as as one of the oppressed classes including every ethnic minority

00:43:21.460 including uh obviously the sexual uh minorities uh and these are the new proletariat and from the 0.99

00:43:32.660 outset you see them attacking their leaders and saying you're not delivering enough to us you need to be

00:43:38.500 more pure ideologically you need to give us more but if you looked at what the cia recommends to

00:43:45.540 sabotaging a workplace or sabotaging an organization well that's exactly what they're doing they're

00:43:51.780 constantly questioning all of the diktats of management they're constantly saying that we are being failed

00:43:58.420 they're going back to the old and settled debates and reopening those and they're doing everything that

00:44:04.740 they can to create chaos that isn't because they're actual cia saboteurs no that's because of their very nature 1.00

00:44:13.540 that's because of who they are as people well you you saw this actually this was another thing from the

00:44:17.940 conference they were almost like a like a uh purity test yes to uh basically uh will you confess yourself

00:44:26.420 to be an anti-zionist because that was because zara sultana got up there and it's like i mean anti-zionism and

00:44:32.260 everything and uh there's been times where corbin's not quite said that but also it's like they they want you to

00:44:38.340 say it so that there won't be oddly enough the one form of infiltration they do seem to be worried

00:44:45.300 about is zionist infiltration of the party but why would they bother why would they have to yeah why

00:44:53.140 would they have to infiltrate you when you're such a farce yes yes because to them they're not such a

00:45:00.180 farce and it's all about direction and they don't want to be stirred towards the other direction and

00:45:05.220 uh yeah i mean i i agree with you i don't think that uh we have to appeal to a possible infiltration

00:45:14.740 of your party by any three-letter agency they themselves seem perfectly exactly of destroying

00:45:21.300 their own self-sabotage yeah that doesn't mean that there can't be that there isn't any such

00:45:27.060 infiltration it's that you know just we don't have to believe that there is because their own temperament is

00:45:32.980 destructive and um may oh sure yeah i think that at the end of the day what we want to what we want

00:45:40.660 to say here is that character is destiny yes and it's the very character of these people and the

00:45:47.060 leftists that are involved there that sort of makes destruction in if not inevitable 99.9

00:45:56.500 probable yes right and i think that we need to focus a lot on character because it shows a lot about

00:46:06.980 their composition the composition of the party and their mode mode modus operandi their their actions

00:46:12.980 the way they operate and speaking of character we have the ancient greek virtue ethics course which is

00:46:19.140 the ethics of character you can buy it from here and pay it in three month installments or pay it at

00:46:27.140 one one in one go if you want here we have the i'm giving you course a course about the development of

00:46:35.780 ancient greek virtue ethics and the importance of character and how a good character leads most

00:46:42.820 probably to a good life and how a bad character leads invariably to disaster and speaking of that

00:46:49.140 i want us to focus a lot on on character and bad character in this case because if we look at two

00:46:57.380 variants it's their composition who they are and who do who they address and their actions we will see

00:47:06.100 that these two things are informing one another and are leading them into a downward spiral they

00:47:12.980 themselves because of their character think that this is a purity spiral of course in their own

00:47:19.140 minds it's always they themselves who are doing the right thing everyone else is compromised they're

00:47:23.940 the pure and the good everyone else is evil everyone else is evil and also what's um to as to the

00:47:29.860 point sorry just to say stelios with this particular individual as well because it's oh well i'm

00:47:34.900 disabled i'm neurodivergent it also what they're basically saying is i don't have to work on

00:47:40.340 myself yes i have reasons not to do that legitimate reasons we will agree we will go to this individual

00:47:46.420 but one thing i want to start with is the principles what this party that was built a few months ago in

00:47:52.660 july 2025 by corbyn and sultana what they claim to be corbyn with sultana jumping on his back yes yeah

00:48:00.660 already in the collective unconscious of the people it's sultana there yes in the leadership right so 1.00

00:48:06.340 it's starling that has topped trotsky um right so basically their temperament is the russoian temperament

00:48:18.740 if if you want a word a philosophical word it's unless there is unless everything is great everything is

00:48:26.340 bad they are going to make they're going to look they're going to look at the world and try to find

00:48:32.820 any problem and justify mobilization of a political nature strikes they're going to make life unlivable

00:48:44.260 for everyone else because they get fixated with any problem around the world and it's not a

00:48:50.660 coincidence that one of the main parts of the rhetoric is and this is a party in the uk is that

00:48:58.820 without any palestinian liberation there can be no other sort of liberation because as biden said it's 0.65

00:49:05.300 all connected so in their mind it's all connects it's all connected they look at themselves as parts

00:49:11.140 of a globalist elite or parts of a globalist movement if not necessarily a few aristocratic individuals

00:49:19.700 they look at themselves as part of a globalist and global movement and they try to look at

00:49:25.620 the world and say so long as the world in its entirety is as i want it to be which is socially

00:49:33.060 just in their own minds we are going to constantly do strikes political activism we're going to disrupt

00:49:40.820 everything to bring down capitalism to bring down the wealthy to bring down the nationalists to bring

00:49:46.660 down everyone who is opposition and their main the main things therefore is socialism radical

00:49:53.060 redistribution of wealth and power to address poverty and inequality again it's the issue that

00:49:58.420 they can't understand that life involves hierarchies that form naturally they really hate this they want

00:50:04.900 nationalization of banks food production construction internationalism and peace everyone says that they

00:50:11.380 want peace yeah i mean that's not particularly new but when they're talking about internationalism what

00:50:17.060 they want is the liquid some of them want the liquidation of ethnic identities the others are there 1.00

00:50:26.180 because the former or think that that's what they're for they're doing it domestically so they can impose

00:50:34.340 foreign cultures on on this one well so sorry to interrupt you but this was a thing in the soviet union

00:50:41.860 in that it was decisively against the russian identity but it was fully supportive of all of the other

00:50:48.420 minority ethnic identities to the extent that it helped invent literatures for them and it helped invent

00:50:56.020 identities for them and this was because they didn't want any russian nationalism interfering with the

00:51:05.140 identity of the ussr they saw that as a threat and it continued to be a threat until

00:51:11.540 hitler invaded and then uh and it was national rhetoric again exactly russia made an appeal the mother

00:51:18.820 russia and the defense of the land of the defense of the fatherland and all of that so this issue

00:51:24.340 what you're seeing here is a very low iq repeat of the original communist debates

00:51:33.140 well what was the marx line about history being first by tragedy and then by farce yes

00:51:38.820 yeah this is the farce this is the farce but one thing to add to what you're saying which is in

00:51:44.500 agreement is that leftism to a very large extent has common origins to extreme republicanism there are

00:51:51.860 within the republican tradition there are several variants one of them is very extreme and it says

00:51:57.620 for there to be a balance of power which is one of the desired things in that tradition you have to have

00:52:03.060 balance of wealth yes you have to have material material equality so extreme republicans um frequently

00:52:11.700 have have created this philosophical mindset for the communists to take over and they're saying so

00:52:19.620 so long as there is communist distribution of wealth we are we don't have a balance of power and we need

00:52:28.260 to equalize power and to equalize power we have to bring everyone down and then there is the

00:52:34.980 the contradiction there with respect to whether some whether there can be natural hierarchies of

00:52:41.380 other sorts even if everyone has the same wealth and there absolutely are and they seem to be

00:52:47.780 completely unable to to stomach that truth and their temperament is essentially otherworldly it's

00:52:56.260 anti-life it's yes they can't understand how life works and because they can't understand how life

00:53:01.780 works they want to keep everyone within that illusion and everyone who bursts the bubble of that illusion

00:53:08.420 they're demonizing they're calling an enemy of the people the far right um they're calling starmer a

00:53:15.140 control opposition yes for for for the right right and given everything that he's done to make work

00:53:22.900 unrewarding and to make living on benefits to be far more rewarding than working yeah it's very ironic that

00:53:31.380 that they would that they would say that one of the first things in the cia manual which which i wanted to

00:53:35.220 mention was that always make patriotic remarks you know or in this case remarks that insist on your

00:53:43.060 ideological purity if patriotism isn't the actual objective because for these people patriotism is

00:53:48.100 bad um so except when it comes for patriotism of other countries their self-government solidarity

00:53:55.940 there it's okay we all have to be patriots for palestine comrade yeah we all have to be patriots

00:54:00.420 for palestine please don't clip this um they just cut this yeah but you know your own patriotism is

00:54:09.220 bad but for them this whole insistence on ideological purity it's it's yeah yeah and one thing i want to

00:54:15.860 say is that we have been saying this for a long time i've said it at least 10 times but one of the

00:54:22.260 ways to band together to form an alliance of incompatible groups is by inventing a common enemy

00:54:30.340 that's why we constantly hear about the far right and the demonization of you know right-wing extremism

00:54:36.740 the epidemic no there aren't that many right-wing extremists there are there are not that many there's

00:54:41.940 definitely not an epidemic of the type the left suggests and definitely zach polanski is not the

00:54:49.220 authority on who is a nazi and how many people are right-wing extremists right so the thing this is

00:54:55.860 really important to bear in mind because if you look at the composition of who these people are and

00:55:00.980 who they claim to to whose benefits they claim to put forward you do see that they are groups that have

00:55:09.700 completely different ideas of what constitutes peaceful coexistence you can't have the trans 1.00

00:55:16.500 people the feminists and the muslims these three groups are incompatible with each other yep we 1.00

00:55:25.540 constantly have the battle between the trans side and the feminist side we have the battle between the

00:55:31.300 trans side and the muslim side and the feminist side and the muslim side it's these groups can't 1.00

00:55:37.860 coexist because they themselves show why multiculturalism can fail because there can be so vast 0.94

00:55:46.500 discontinuities with respect to how people value things and that you can't have common rules that

00:55:53.140 everyone accepts as good binding rules for conflict or reconciliation what what's more as well that when

00:56:00.820 you have them coming across with the feminist and the trans messaging or the muslim messaging whatever it

00:56:06.260 may be okay but like even even let's say hypothetically that you were managed to just top down

00:56:12.740 basically get society to imbibe and accept these sorts of moral judgment systems right

00:56:19.380 even if you were able to do that you're also ideologically possessed by constantly replacing

00:56:25.700 the domestic population with new people so every single time you think that you've re-educated someone

00:56:32.580 you've just brought in an entire new stock of people that also are going to have to take those values

00:56:38.900 because they're coming from places like africa and the middle east who obviously don't believe such

00:56:44.260 things and so actually it puts you in a state where not only uh does everyone need to be re-educated but

00:56:51.220 also the process of re-education never stops yes yeah so one of the things that we see here is that they

00:57:00.660 are in a very introspective mode and introspecting phase that's why we don't listen about this for the

00:57:08.100 other party the green party they'll do the same they'll do the same it's the same kind of people

00:57:13.060 the same temperament the same the same character yes but right now the green party is attacking it's

00:57:21.220 extroverted they are in an introspective phase because what we see here is people within this party

00:57:28.500 trying to capitalize political power and capitalize their support within the members of the party and i

00:57:35.380 try to rephrase what you're saying zach polanski is the smarter operator because he's identified an

00:57:40.980 external enemy and gotten his people around him to attack them whereas jeremy corbyn is the less

00:57:47.780 capable political operator because he's trying to build this broad coalition through a conversation

00:57:53.860 rather than through a focus on a on a common enemy it's either this or it's they're in a different

00:58:00.100 phase right polanski just now now starts to kick start the party to make a fuss about it they are

00:58:07.700 in the more introspective point here but if you see them on on tv or panels they're not going to be

00:58:14.900 introspective they're going to have the same rhetoric with with polanski everyone's a nazi who

00:58:20.180 yes right so here for instance we see the trans person luca showed us the video almost no one was

00:58:25.540 clapping at the end very few people were clapping so these are incompatibilities that are very obvious

00:58:34.660 and again here this with um with this person who was uh allegedly accused of um sending messages to

00:58:44.260 13 year old junior old yeah um he accused adnan hussein and iqbal mohabbet of transphobia then the panel

00:58:51.380 came in no it's you can't rush to say they're transphobic they get the benefit of the doubt

00:58:58.740 no one else does in the entire country and the entire west yes the mps who are no longer even in

00:59:04.740 the party get the benefit so now the point is that you can't have this together this coalition can't

00:59:12.980 can't function together especially if it's very decentralized democratic and functions as an

00:59:20.260 assembly that's why because it it sort of functions this way lots of people are leaving um adnan hussein

00:59:27.540 and iqbal mohammed that you mentioned before they're leaving this is why stalin as you know general

00:59:33.540 secretary of of the central committee was able to actually make sure that everybody was on singing on

00:59:40.420 the same hymn sheet and if they weren't they died yeah uh they don't have this kind of power and so they

00:59:45.300 end up in this kind of chaos so their composition leads to destruction they're either going to destroy

00:59:52.740 themselves or they are going to become incredibly absolutist within the party and be very socially

00:59:58.500 corrosive and if they govern if they ever govern i hope they don't i don't think they will especially

01:00:04.340 with these guys if i look at the potential there they're not going to do it but if they ever did it

01:00:09.780 it would be a disaster so it's a combination of disaster and absolutism and they are in complete

01:00:20.260 they are just they live in a different planet so they decided for a collective leadership model over

01:00:25.940 a single leader right so i don't know exactly how this is gonna play out but it seems to me that it's

01:00:34.900 just gonna be chaos and this is one of the things that i think montesquieu gets really correct and i

01:00:40.980 want to get for us to read montesquieu the spirit of the laws especially and also you luca uh he says

01:00:48.020 whenever you want to have a popular form of government the only way for it to work is if the spirit of

01:00:55.620 equality isn't translated into the administrative dimension of it you must have a leader yes you

01:01:04.820 must have a leadership and i'm actually surprised that they do this because if you see the whole

01:01:11.220 way in which they communicate violates their demands their demand for equality for balance of power for

01:01:19.700 equal influence of each voice it can't happen you can i don't know in what planet they live in but if

01:01:26.020 you have 800 people a thousand people in a room they can't all talk together you have to have a panel you have

01:01:34.820 to have a a process you have to have a mechanism there people must follow it's it's 101 and it's

01:01:42.500 really funny that we have to mention it you're you're posing the most important problem you're

01:01:46.580 really hitting the most important withholding evidence no no if you want to be to to have an

01:01:53.700 egalitarian party it must have a unitary leadership yeah even if you want even if the objective of your

01:02:00.340 party is supposedly egalitarianism there can't be egalitarianism in leadership there has to be

01:02:07.060 solitary unitary leadership and this is something that they can't understand because of their ideology

01:02:14.020 but this is what political reality dictates you're absolutely correct and what i want to say here is

01:02:19.700 that this shows how they are entirely ideological and they don't do they're not realists they don't do

01:02:25.620 empirical research they don't they don't consult their common sense or reason because it's so

01:02:32.820 abstract it's one thing to say i'm for equality that's a slogan people do it people say i'm for

01:02:38.340 equality i'm for freedom or for nation people do it i'm for community i'm for i'm for faith people do

01:02:45.380 it that there is a part of the slogan bit the marketing bit where it's it's understandable you have

01:02:51.380 to somehow communicate with a slogan cast wide nets and try to bring many people to you but then you

01:02:58.420 have to give flesh and blood into your idea you have to say how you understand faith how you understand

01:03:04.420 liberty how you understand equality instead of just being incredibly abstract what we see here is the

01:03:11.140 a kind of temperament is we see a temperament the temperament of people who are entirely unrealistic

01:03:17.380 they can't understand life they can't accept basic facts of life they can't accept their limitations

01:03:24.420 and they have been given a rhetoric that they can use against each other yes and what we see here is

01:03:32.020 the kind of a kind of behavior a kind of character here and that's where i'm going character is a

01:03:37.780 pattern of disposition to have society you need to have the ability to reconcile the ability

01:03:44.340 differences the ability to make peace these people who are behind every purity spiral and every

01:03:51.460 occasion that they use in order to speak it's an occasion where there's they're talking about

01:03:56.820 injustice somewhere these people can't make they can't be members of society you can't make and of

01:04:03.620 any association and they never shut up about how important this is yes and let me be clear i'm not

01:04:08.740 saying that all of them are going to end up in prison that's not what i mean i'm saying that when you're

01:04:13.460 focusing when you're focusing on creating a party and any form of society could be even a small group

01:04:20.740 you need to have mechanisms

01:04:25.300 of conflict resolution and you need to also have the character to accept conflict resolution and accept

01:04:32.820 that in the grand scheme of things compromise sometimes is better than just destruction but

01:04:39.460 stelios they can't understand it because of their temperament their temperament is fundamentally 0.87

01:04:43.940 anti-reconciliatory maximalist demands people with maximalist rhetoric and maximalist demands

01:04:49.940 they frequently can't get together from societies they try to find every sort of of excuse in order to

01:04:55.540 destroy everything because that's how they're making their name that's who they are and also when

01:05:01.140 we're talking about politics and public discussion this is how they build an audience if you build your

01:05:06.180 audience by screaming i'm not compromising with respect to anything yeah you're not going to be

01:05:13.300 member of any society unless you're going to be its absolute leader what you're describing here a cult

01:05:20.740 is not just a cult there is a religious dimension to what you're talking about which is fundamentally

01:05:25.940 that these people lack charity and they lack humility everybody wants to be a leader

01:05:30.500 why because they're driven by envy they don't have any humility that says actually on questions

01:05:36.980 of greek philosophy i defer to stelios on questions of english literature i defer to luca because i know

01:05:42.260 they're better informed than i am so they don't have any sense of humility they believe that they

01:05:46.260 all must be leaders and they don't have any sense of charity which is to say that you know maybe this

01:05:52.260 guy's perspective is different from mine for a good reason uh maybe this guy sees the world slightly

01:05:57.060 differently because of legitimate uh experiences a deeper understanding of something something that

01:06:03.300 i should interrogate rather than uh prematurely judge so what you're describing here isn't just a sort of

01:06:12.180 philosophical character you're right to describe it in philosophical terms and it genuinely helps

01:06:17.140 there is also a spiritual dimension to this that these people are genuinely spiritually badly formed 0.75

01:06:22.660 by their own choices because they focus so much on envy and they focus so much on anger and resentment

01:06:29.700 that it's impossible for them to say hey you know these people that that are working around me might know

01:06:34.900 better about winning elections jeremy corbyn has been winning elections sometimes in the teeth of

01:06:40.260 opposition of his party most recently and therefore i have something to learn from him about electoral

01:06:46.420 politics they can't say that they must insist no no no i also have to be a leader they also think this

01:06:53.620 because in their minds there should be equality or they are they should be the leaders and spirit of

01:06:59.620 equality is the spirit of resentment and that's the thing that anger however justified because there

01:07:04.900 there are lots of angry people some of them are justifiably angry others not it's it's not a good counsel

01:07:11.220 no emotions must be tempered that you need the the virtue of moderation and what you see the left

01:07:17.140 doing in i mean arguably from the from the time the left was born is they're attacking the notion of

01:07:22.820 reason and especially post-modernism exactly especially in post-modernism they they tried to to co-opt

01:07:32.180 rationalism and the enlightenment before in with classical marxism they tried to portray themselves as

01:07:38.340 scientific but then it's just didn't work for them and ever since post-modernism 50s and 60s they're

01:07:45.860 trying to to say no re the logos itself is phalogocentric it's sexist yes which means they they have been

01:07:54.660 given a rhetoric in order to formulate their own resentment and appear as if they come from some as

01:08:04.820 it as if this comes from somewhere that is justified because now what we know that what they're doing

01:08:09.620 social justice warriors they just screen i want social justice and everyone's suddenly supposed to

01:08:14.820 clap yes no that's not how it works the thing is as well they are deeply inspired by the recent victory

01:08:23.540 of mamdani in new york yes right they they look at what happened in new york with mamdani and just talking

01:08:29.780 about the ordinary cost of living and you know taxing the rich and all of this and they look

01:08:35.220 at mamdani's victory and taxing whites right and taxing whites and they look at this and they think ah

01:08:39.780 here is um an example of a successful template for how to do left-wing politics in the 21st century

01:08:48.420 not taking into account that mamdani won in a city and they are trying to win as a party across an

01:08:55.220 entire nation and ultimately though you have many pockets of new york-esque behavior in birmingham

01:09:03.060 and bristol and london and all these sorts of places as um carl and dan recently looked at in

01:09:08.820 that long analysis they did called the english revolution um ultimately we're seeing now actually

01:09:15.460 the the english themselves are starting to form into ethnic voting blocs even if not consciously they're

01:09:21.300 doing it and that parochialism is really the place where the political voting capital lies in our

01:09:29.780 current landscape not in retreading the wokeness of five years ago going back into that hell hole 0.97

01:09:38.420 where no one was happy it felt like it was all bread and circuses we never got to discuss anything

01:09:43.540 substantial we had to go back to the most basic facts of what a man and a woman are no one wants to 1.00

01:09:49.060 return to this no one wants to return to this but in their hubris and um exactly as you say for us in

01:09:56.420 the sense that they they feel there's such sense of righteousness and and resentment for their lives

01:10:03.140 and the failures that they've just to say there is going this is going to be a party entirely without

01:10:10.020 and the conference is obviously a symptom of this but it will go on entirely without message discipline

01:10:15.700 this is a party that will have no message discipline whatsoever it will be full of just whatever they

01:10:22.420 want to say in the moment saying this thing to screw over that guy within your party put him in an awkward

01:10:28.340 position and so on and so on like obviously i have critiques of the way that nigel farage is governing 0.88

01:10:34.580 reform but i ultimately understand why you need some level of we're all on one page fighting for

01:10:41.700 yes these particular policies and the british people find these policies popular you're not

01:10:48.580 getting any of this from your party no you're not because they're incredibly ideological in their

01:10:53.860 thinking this is extremism of ends i'm not saying it's extremism of means but this is extremism of

01:10:59.460 ends they have completely unrealistic demands from from life and from society and they they can't

01:11:07.460 stomach the fact that they're unrealistic and i want to say that they seem to me to be

01:11:14.260 heading towards the dilemma it's it was going to happen either they're going to have a sort of

01:11:19.300 vanguard party a sort of administrative hierarchy or they're going to completely destroy themselves

01:11:25.060 and here we already see it they have a panel there sorry it's 101 but it's it's it's good to

01:11:31.220 it's good to remember of uh remind ourselves of uh basic facts but we have a panel there they have us

01:11:39.540 an admin they are trying to form an administrative hierarchy and because the crowd is completely

01:11:45.220 unruly they call for people to for people's mic to be cut and shut off and they're saying no you're

01:11:50.340 off topic you're straying away they're doing what you said before it really we're having style and

01:11:54.660 erasing people from photographs yeah but also we have people talking about anecdotes and talking about

01:11:59.460 things that they find important the panelists don't find important and he decides cut the mic then a

01:12:06.100 woman was kicked out of it so yeah that that's only that's all it happens you can't have a collective 1.00

01:12:15.700 making decisions without having an administrative faculty there it's it's it's 101. even the most

01:12:22.340 primitive tribes have a tribal elder or at least a council of elders in which there is the

01:12:29.220 elder of the elders yeah and there is the culture of respecting the elder here there isn't no not

01:12:35.220 at all there is a culture of respecting experience there's a culture of respecting a hierarchy here

01:12:40.900 this simply doesn't exist and it can't exist with this ideology because this ideology is based on

01:12:48.580 spiritual illnesses and one thing to end this is that we we have this again brother luca played all my

01:12:55.860 clips before i'm not gonna play the cellius did not consult on the shared clip i mean i had to you

01:13:02.900 put so many of this i had to look at i had to include something right um the committee pardons

01:13:08.260 habibi uk here says a very angry man of the your party conference rails against those in positions of

01:13:14.260 power they have failed as comrades almost a complete sham he is talking talking about your party so because

01:13:21.460 that's what their character is they're gonna do purity spirals within them because in the circle

01:13:28.340 whoever screams more oppressed whoever shouts more they're going to be the leader yes the loudest

01:13:35.940 voice it's not an abstract constant concept where a thousand voices are of the same you know tone and

01:13:45.300 um volume and you listen to all of them it's it's chaos that's why you require a hierarchy yep they

01:13:55.300 hate the very notion of hierarchy so i i do think that um it was a very very entertaining first conference

01:14:03.300 from your party um i would say that i'm looking forward to the next one but um i don't even know if

01:14:10.660 they'll make it that far so uh sorry ladies and gentlemen by the way i meant to say at the beginning

01:14:16.180 do um feel free to send in your rumble rants and youtube comments as uh you usually would but rather

01:14:22.820 than break it up and sort of stagnate them through three separate segments now we'll just focus on

01:14:28.420 keeping them in the discussion here at the end so i'll go to the rumble rants and the uh youtube comments

01:14:33.620 we've got tom rat says your party should probably avoid putting trans rights on the pedestal

01:14:39.140 uh alongside the hamas sexuals as they are liable to push yes very very witty tom uh that's a random

01:14:48.980 name says the echo is what happens when you have only one segment the laws of physics break down yes

01:14:54.500 but as you can see we have repaired them uh tom rat also says oh yeah another point to the audio and

01:15:01.380 uh logan pine says i think your party is a good representation of the modern left disorganized corrupt

01:15:07.940 all already and leaderless at a time when it needs leaders yeah absolutely couldn't agree more uh

01:15:14.660 forsaken on youtube says hey lads my father has been uh taken back for heart surgery so would appreciate

01:15:21.220 your prayers much love from the great united states well you you have them from me sir um um smathlook says

01:15:29.780 uh i just had pork shoulder and it was delicious how wholesome glad to hear it uh oh and merry christmas to

01:15:35.780 all of you of course as i go through the comments um one topic for an hour is boring and repetitive

01:15:42.020 says testing well we're trying it out because we we've had um some comments pointing to the contrary

01:15:47.700 and some people felt like segments were too brief and didn't go specific enough so um we'll just see

01:15:53.620 how things run and we'll obviously take all the feedback on board uh it also says um i'm a number one

01:16:00.660 poster at four dollars uh new to oh it's repeating the same general point all right testing well we

01:16:06.420 take that on board and we'll we'll obviously listen to what other people have to say as well and we'll

01:16:11.460 figure it out we're not communists and so we will not go in a purity spiral and we will take your

01:16:15.700 feedback we will take your feedback uh no gulag no gulags required uh so comments comments from uh

01:16:24.980 the uh section we've got oh yeah sorry let's go to the video comments first and then we'll

01:16:29.540 go through them at the end the spirit of the post-modern leftist xenophilia seems to come

01:16:35.620 from Heinlein's stranger in a strange land in the story humans try adopting martian culture

01:16:41.220 it is also where elon got the name for his ai grok in the book rock means to understand something so well

01:16:49.060 it becomes part of you my opinion of these larping nerds can be summed up rather succinctly

01:16:59.860 wow yeah that's my favorite mech suit i've got to say that's that's a really impressive effort

01:17:07.700 so yes larping is cool okay

01:17:22.500 that's grim that's really really grim all right for those but the video comments for today samson

01:17:40.580 yep anymore all right great uh omar awad says your party might be ironically inaccurate uh accurate a

01:17:47.300 name the entire membership has main character syndrome and thinks it's literally their individual

01:17:53.220 party yes not cop it's a really good point uh a party cannot function without some level of real

01:17:59.060 politic but if they ever knew what that meant they'd probably call it fascist it's a really good point 0.84

01:18:05.220 amar yes uh cumbrian kulak says as funny as it is seeing these leftist nutters imploding in on

01:18:11.140 themselves a benefit of them not being total efforts uh would be uh splitting the green vote i'm a bit

01:18:17.860 worried the greens are being underestimated by those on the right never underestimate a leftist

01:18:24.100 fanatical desire to stop the far right uh yeah no absolutely uh really if one thing does trip up

01:18:33.700 the total victory of nigel farage it will be a remarkably organized uh ground campaign of um

01:18:41.140 basically just tactical voting yes right that's what it'll be however on on paper by the numbers

01:18:47.860 by the polls by just looking at which opinions the british people have on particular issues

01:18:54.580 there's no reason why reform shouldn't have the numbers yeah i mean never underestimate a committed

01:18:59.060 minority change comes from the committed minority not from the majority so this is a very important

01:19:04.660 point another thing as well just to say from the point of that could well be the case for the

01:19:09.860 greens but also the last remaining stragglers that vote for the tory party have just got to understand

01:19:17.700 that it's over right they've just got to vote for reform at this point if because otherwise what

01:19:23.300 are you going to do to you're wasting it you are really just wasting a tory vote at this point

01:19:28.660 in order to potentially muck it up and get some green lunatic involved you think peter hittins will vote for

01:19:35.540 reform uh no not at all because he absolutely detests nigel farage and yeah i get it but at the same 0.83

01:19:43.060 time it's not well i mean he'd just rather we all left wouldn't he um through this crucible whatever

01:19:49.700 that is yeah uh michael's rebel but says firas uh have they been infiltrated well no it's a waste of 1.00

01:19:56.100 time to infiltrate a group who's too stupid to recognize its own stupidity exactly yeah exactly um 1.00

01:20:03.540 um california refugee who says uh inshallah comrades only not quite spelt as it sounds 1.00

01:20:09.700 this is a microcosm of the united kingdom a muslim woman scamming a bunch of radical leftist english 1.00

01:20:15.940 people whilst playing the victim yeah i mean honestly if if jeremy corbyn had had an ounce of

01:20:23.220 strength in his character he would have just basically said zari around you just a troublemaker 0.98

01:20:28.660 yes we've had nothing but problems and scandals from you since you joined but he won't do that

01:20:34.420 so yeah he'll just have to suffer the consequences uh jimbo g says uh don't ask me how but i have had

01:20:41.940 previous dealings with the mad comrade i insist on asking you how yeah go on jimbo leave us a comment

01:20:47.860 don't do tell uh they live off of the state and are basically a full-time activist a few years ago they

01:20:54.100 were part of the northern independence party which is exactly as it sounds well as a northerner i can

01:21:00.420 promise you that's not my party i'm i'm for england uh your tax money is going towards their bob

01:21:06.580 villain tickets and then playing gta 5 online when they aren't protesting but apparently that's not

01:21:12.740 enough yeah yeah yeah more welfare uh lord inquisitor hector x says uh point of personal privilege uh

01:21:20.660 please don't clap as it's extremely uh trigger oh sorry triggering these don't clap as it's extremely

01:21:27.700 triggering and when too many happen at once it sounds like a small explosion which could frighten

01:21:33.860 our muslim comrades you're all being very witty in the comments today i have to say full marks um

01:21:40.580 carl's evil twin vorsch says ever wonder why socialist and communist countries need a tyrannical

01:21:47.940 dictator watch this conference i also just can't help but think of in um hayek's you know road to

01:21:54.500 serfdom about how he just talks about how the worst always rise to the top yeah as well because they're

01:22:00.900 just the ones who are willing to do the most brutal machiavellian dishonorable tactics obviously in order

01:22:07.540 to assert their will over everyone else and i mean we could see that here as well all of a sudden

01:22:15.220 someone from the very committee who decided that the committee was a wonderful idea so long as it

01:22:20.100 elevated their voice but then why can't their voice go even higher having the main character syndrome

01:22:26.660 that uh i think it was omar rightly pointed out that they all have so yeah this could get really

01:22:32.020 really messy and much more comical yet uh roman observer says when zara said home of the left i

01:22:39.220 picture the crumbling slum full of waste and drugs yeah yeah at least the soviets built that build 1.00

01:22:46.500 things you know to be fair so these are really the the farcical version of of of the soviets yeah uh

01:22:53.300 richard uh schmear says what is it with you brits uh that makes you think that the only two options

01:22:59.460 in nationalization are selling off to private foreign companies why do you never mention the obvious

01:23:04.740 correct answer of privatizing to a local british company because in the past privatizations that

01:23:10.900 have gone to british companies i believe they ended up in the hands of hedge funds and there is no

01:23:17.060 difference between the hedge funds and the foreigners at the end of the day they're both after extracting

01:23:21.940 the most amount of profit and shipping it off so if you're going to sell to a british entity you've got

01:23:29.220 to sell it to an industrial entity that has a stake in expanding its operations in britain so there's

01:23:35.380 got to be some constraint on it but yes you're right it's slightly different for the americans because of

01:23:40.980 the vastly larger pool of capital that exists in america i mean people don't understand the scale of

01:23:47.540 the american economy compared to everybody else so yeah it matters uh cumber and kulak makes a great 0.62

01:23:54.260 point here which is that piers corbin is so much cooler than jeremy piers goes on stop on stop the

01:23:59.860 boat marches and was anti-lockdown he also goes on anti-trans marches and uh because i was at one of

01:24:07.300 those i ended up with his uh speaker and i've offered to give it back to him but i have no way of tracking

01:24:14.100 him down uh yes um we've also got uh henry asham says weren't a few of the low seaters signed up to

01:24:22.740 the initial your party mailing list yes i still get them uh by one of the production team couldn't

01:24:28.500 you sue the party for a gdpr breach on behalf of well it's just nice to be kept in the loop and i'll

01:24:35.620 settle for that yeah they're sending emails to me as well yes why because someone in the production

01:24:42.020 teams signed us all up as a joke i want to find him yeah i'll tell you who it was afterwards and

01:24:48.180 we can we can frog them um also uh time stealer says if your party is like the death of stalin 0.56

01:24:55.060 when is zukov going to come in i tell you i do love that film have you seen that yeah it's a good

01:25:00.900 film it's a great film fantastic is a great yeah and he's gonna play me in the lotus eaters movie we

01:25:06.580 established this on the lads hour as well so um i'm gonna be played by pedro pascal yeah because

01:25:11.700 you're feeling socially anxious yeah and um kevin fox says your party have infiltrated the lotus seat

01:25:20.420 is tech and condemned the panel to the seventh circle of hell oh dear well we soon got out of

01:25:26.100 it didn't we that's a bit dramatic it is quite dramatic kevin but um we we emerged out of it for

01:25:33.220 us hopes that the seventh circle of hell is worse than hearing echoes

01:25:37.060 an echoey mike is the seventh yeah dante speaks of this

01:25:46.660 uh and then honorable mentions uh cumbrian kulak says uh shout out my uh lal brother who has started

01:25:55.060 listening to lotus ears well sensible chap he also says fear ass a slightly unrelated note but would you

01:26:00.900 consider getting uh friar father spirit and bailey on yes yes yeah okay no that's uh that's a good

01:26:08.580 point wonderful uh alpha of the beta says please do an entire segment with the echo effect you guys

01:26:14.100 sound epic oh right so you could hear it too i was a little unsure on that point and then hosep uh

01:26:21.060 yenne commission yim something says i like this new new format although it might be useful to use uh

01:26:28.580 both depending on how slow or fast the news is on any particular day yep well like say we're uh

01:26:34.500 more than happy to take all your feedback on the new format we'll see how it goes we'll see how it

01:26:38.740 goes the thing is that uh very frequently we have uh conflicting feedback yes right and i'll say this

01:26:45.380 just it's a funny anecdote but every now and then there are people who say please interrupt with

01:26:51.620 unrelevant personal white pills do white pills we can't do black pills and then if a white pill goes

01:26:56.980 that no one watches it yeah yeah fair enough um conflicting reports but nonetheless we're very

01:27:01.940 very glad to have you here we really hope you've enjoyed the show today of course do join firas at

01:27:07.300 three half an hour realpolitik and we will see you at 1 p.m for the podcast tomorrow have a good day

01:27:13.700 thank you thank you

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The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - December 01, 2025

The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1307

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