The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1312
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Summary
The Lotus Eaters are joined by Stelios and Ferris to discuss the growing problem of Somali-Americans in the United States, particularly in the state of Minnesota, and why it matters so much to them. Also, why are there so many Somali people in America?
Transcript
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Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen. Welcome to the podcast, The Lotus Eaters.
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For Monday, is it the 8th? Jesus, it's the 8th of December already.
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2025, I'm joined by Stelios and Ferris, and today we're going to be talking
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about all the Somali fraud that's being exposed. This is genuinely hilarious
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to me. The Candace Owens controversies, because
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Stelios has thoughts on those, and of course how the British state is
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determined to enact demographic change by just killing off all of the old white people.
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Yep. I'm not even overstating that, am I? That's exactly what they're trying
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notices.com, Ferris has an episode of RealPolitique that he's doing live, so you
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can ask him Q&As. What's it about? It's about the
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new American national security strategy, and the big changes
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that this means for the world, including Europe, and the
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deprioritization of the Middle East. So, a bunch of interesting changes that are
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happening there. See, what I like about the new strategy is, rather than bombing
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random people sat in a country who are doing nothing of any particular interest,
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bomb the people who come illegally to the country.
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That's a big part of what's going to be happening. So, it's all about a Trump corollary
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to the Monroe Doctrine that is very explicitly anti-China and explicitly anti the
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cartels and the leftists. Kind of redundant, but yeah. So, it's a very big change if they
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manage to pull through it, but there are some problems with it that I'm also going to be
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Alright, okay. Well, join us at 3 o'clock for that. Anyway, so let's talk about the Somalian
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community in Minnesota, and the United States more broadly, because this is something that
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has become salient since Trump called them out, frankly, saying, well, why are they here?
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What good are they actually doing to the United States? And that's a great question,
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because there are only about 260,000 Somalis in the United States anyway, and already they've
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They've really impressed everyone with the way that they're working. So, let's focusing on
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Minnesota specifically, right? The Somali population of Minnesota is approximately 107,000 out of
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So, they are a tiny fraction of Minnesota, and of Minneapolis in particular, they're 84,000
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out of 425,000. So, why are we constantly hearing about Somali nonsense out of Minnesota?
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I don't know. Does it have to do with the culture?
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I think it's reported to the police for saying that not all cultures are equal.
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That's the point, right? So, they've got Ilhan Omar, they've got Jacob Frey speaking Somalian
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as he becomes the mayor, but they didn't elect the Somali candidate for mayor, because there
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are just not enough Somalis there to swing the ethnic vote, even though they, of course,
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overwhelmingly voted for him, because they're Democrats, and Jacob Frey is a white guy,
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let's vote for the white guy. And so, he's come out and been excessively woke about all of this,
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which is really funny, and as we go through this, you'll see why this is even funnier,
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because they are very firmly pinning their 95 feces to the door of the Somali community
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is nothing but a good thing for Minnesota, which, I mean, that's going to age well, isn't it?
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Didn't they do the same thing with Haiti, when Trump said that Haiti was an asshole?
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Yes, they all went to Haiti and said, this is brilliant.
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But that's the point, isn't it? Like, this, because, I mean, it's such tepid thinking.
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It's like, oh, identity politics, therefore the brown person good, and Trump is bad.
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It's like, okay, but the numbers are in. Like, the numbers are public.
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Like, anyone can check the numbers, right? So, it turns out that Minnesotans are enriched
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by Somalians to the tune of $67 million in taxes a year.
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And that implies that either the Somalians are basically all impoverished, earning only a few grand a year, or maybe something else is going on.
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Anyway, so it turns out that remittances make up about somewhere between 45, 25 to 45% of Somalia's entire economy.
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Is it remittances from the U.S. alone, or is it also from other places?
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Now, it's somewhere around 1.7 billion, it states in this article, somewhere.
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How do they pay 67 million in tax and send 1.7 billion?
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But remember, the 1.7 billion is from all over the world.
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But the point of that being 45% possibly of Somalia's economy.
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You're forgetting piracy as a critical contributor.
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Well, didn't that get knocked on the head when we start blowing up the pirates?
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And if you think about, like, the infrastructure of Somalia, it was all built during the colonial era.
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I was doing something on Sudan and counted the bridges in all of Sudan, famously all of it being on the Nile.
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And I think I found less than a dozen in total, which sort of shows you the extent of...
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But so was the Rhine, and that was sold rather quickly.
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But the point being is that Somalia is a country that is deeply dependent on its diaspora to send money home.
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And so how is the diaspora getting hold of so much money?
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How is it getting all of this money to send back, given how they only pay $600 a year in taxes?
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Because they're not earning that money, are they?
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I mean, in all of America, the Somali community makes about $500 million a year.
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That's why they only commit $67,000 to the treasury.
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I mean, I'm not that good with knowledge about that region of Africa, but is it one of those cases where, again, we have NGOs and money coming in, given to warlords or people in government?
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Anyway, so it's become very apparent that actually there is a massive amount of fraud going on from the Somalian community in Minnesota, which is starting to explain how they got their hands on so much money to send back to Somalia.
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And this is, of course, a deeply embedded thing in, in particular, the Somali community.
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But, in fact, many of the foreign communities that have come to live in the West, it is just habitual that they send money home.
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And Somalia is, of course, deeply dependent on this.
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And what all of this fraud exposes is the clannish nature of their society.
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And it's something that we in the West, the Western liberal individuals, do not understand.
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And we don't understand why this would be such a widespread problem in that community.
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But I'm going to just read from this New York Times article for a minute.
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Because it's just, even they, even the New York Times is like, guys, I think this might be a bit indefensible.
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The fraud scandal that rattled Minnesota was staggering in its scale and brazenness.
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How is it the entire community could be so brazen?
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Because, of course, if Stelios, you or I were committing fraud, we would expect the people around us to be like, oh, my God, he's committing fraud.
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Right, I'm going to report that to the government.
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I'm going to do the right thing and stop him from defrauding people.
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But for some reason, that just wasn't something that the Somalians in Minnesota thought to do.
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Could it be a different us versus them mentality?
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And I think that's where the brazenness comes in.
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But also, I think there has to be an issue with checking.
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Because there is an atmosphere of impunity coming from leftist, let's say, politicians with respect to their preferred groups.
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Yes, but you remember, the leftist politicians and the preferred groups in the case of St. Minnesota are not different.
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These people are, you know, one and the same in many cases.
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So anyway, federal prosecutors charged dozens of people with felonies, accusing them of stealing hundreds of millions of dollars from a government program meant to keep children fed during the COVID-19 pandemic.
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As first, many in the state saw the cases as one-off abuse during a health emergency.
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But as new schemes targeting the state's generous safety net programs came to light, state and federal officials began to grapple with the jarring reality.
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Over the last five years, law enforcement officials say, fraud took root in pockets of Minnesota's Somali diaspora,
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as scores of individuals made fortunes by setting up companies that build state agencies for millions of dollars' worth of social services that were just never provided.
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Federal prosecutors say that 59 people, and there's, again, 100,000 people in total, and they've already prosecuted 59 people for this,
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have been convicted in those schemes so far, and that more than a billion of taxpayer money has been stolen in only three plots that they are investigating.
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So they're paying $67 million in taxes, and they've gotten a billion?
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And the thing is, we have the habit of trying to individualize this.
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It's like, that's not how that community works.
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And this is what the West needs to understand about this particular community and other communities like it.
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And I'm going to read now, just verbatim, from the Minnesota State Attorney's Office, about just one of these cases.
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And it is, I'm not going to swear, but it is remarkable.
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So, this is a case of Asha Farhan Hassan, 28, who was charged by federal information with wire fraud in her role in a $14 million autism fraud scheme.
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She was also charged in the Feeding Our Future fraud scheme, which we'll cover in a minute, for nearly half a million out of that.
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But from November 2019, and you notice that, so that's before COVID, it's not just the government opens the coffers and then sometimes you're like,
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Well, I mean, why not just fill our pockets with that?
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Hassan and others devised a scheme and carried out a scheme to defraud the EIDBI Autism Services Programme.
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They formed and registered Smart Therapy LLC with the Minnesota Secretary of State in 2019.
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Hassan listed herself as the only owner of Smart Therapy.
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In reality, though, other individuals also had ownership stakes in Smart Therapy,
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Don't need to do that, because you are my cousin, you are my brother, you are, you know.
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This is all a deeply connected clan of people operating.
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And odds are, the people behind this used a female,
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knowing that a black female would have a more favorable treatment from the powers that be,
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They may not be academically gifted, but they're not stupid.
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I mean, this is part of functioning in a tribal culture.
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It requires a deep understanding of the politics and who's in charge of what,
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and what are the rewards and punishments that are involved.
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I'm going to read from the notes, Sissy, and scroll on the through.
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Smart Therapy purported to be providing necessary one-on-one ABA therapy to children with autism.
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In fact, Smart Therapy employed underqualified individuals as behavioral technicians.
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These behavioral technicians were often 18 or 19-year-old relatives,
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no training or certificates related to their treatment of autism.
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and working as individual therapists for the NHS.
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I am going to try and scroll through just so you can see it.
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No, no, no, hang on, let me just go through the whole thing,
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because the whole thing has just got everything in it, right?
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who had an autism diagnosis and an individual treatment plan.
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Well, are there that many autistic kids around?
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There bloody well will be if there's money on the line.
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Hassan and her partners approached parents in the Somali community
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to get the recruited child qualified for autism services.
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was not able to get qualified for autism services.
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And then people are critical when we say that, you know,
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Well, that's good because Hassan and her partners
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submitted millions of dollars worth of claims for Medicaid,
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Many of these claims were fraudulently inflated,
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and were for services that were not actually provided.
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for the maximum number of hours permitted by Medicaid
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when the client only received a fraction of the treatment
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I think the best part that you might be going over this now,
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as a recruitment tactic to drive up enrollment,
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Hassan and her partners paid monthly cash kickback payments
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to the parents of children who enrolled their children
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So to your point that the whole community was involved,
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and then collected far more money from the state.
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This is the thing that people don't understand about...
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But the amount of these payments was contingent on services
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The higher the authorisation, the higher the kickback.
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But often, parents threaten to leave smart therapy
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and take their children to other autism centres
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if they did not get paid their higher kickbacks.
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So the other autism centres must have been also paying.
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She says, several largest families left smart therapy
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after being offered larger kickbacks from other autism centres.
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So she isn't the only Somali autism centre offering these kickbacks.
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So it just very quickly became a cottage industry.
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A cottage? I mean, there's $14 million, this one person.
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Asana and her partners covered the cost of the kickback payments
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that they paid through the fraudulent billings to Medicaid.
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well, that autism centre is going to give me a bigger kickback than yours.
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Not, oh, you're trying to bribe me into doing this.
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So I'm going to go report you to the government
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It's literally the community consents to the crime,
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So in one job that I had in Lebanon, I was offered a bribe.
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And the guy understood quickly that if he did that again,
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Then I realized that he told the accountant of the company that I was working for
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leading me to conclude that the accountant was also in on it,
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and then the accountant would come and collect his share.
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So that's how this kind of bribery actually works.
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Well, they're going to give me a bigger kick about it.
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But what I love is this last paragraph at the bottom here, right?
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Hassan's fraudulent scheme resulted in smart therapy
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obtaining more than $14 million in reimbursement funds
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And she split the proceeds of the fraud schemes with her partners,
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And Hassan herself sent hundreds of thousands of dollars
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some of which she used to purchase real estate in Kenya.
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Weirdly, she didn't buy the property in Somalia.
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And so that's one scheme that is just emblematic.
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As you can see, they just, I mean, we'll just crank up to max.
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We'll just literally make the maximum amount of claims we can make,
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The community is, they know they're guilty of this.
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The next case is the Feed Our Children fraud of,
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Again, you can see how they're estimating more than a billion has been defrauded out of this,
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That's only four years and four and a quarter years in prison.
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For a $250 million fraud scheme that exploited this program during the COVID-19 pandemic,
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she claims to have served over 1.2 million meals to children from SNS Catering,
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There are just under 6 million people in Minnesota in total.
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How many starving children can there possibly have been in Minneapolis?
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their sites reported serving more than 8 million meals through the food program.
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And so they made all of these requests for funds from the American government
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and, quote, no, misappropriated the funds for her own personal benefits,
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So it doesn't tell us where this commercial real estate was there.
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This is what makes me think that senior Democrats were also involved.
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And the way that these things work is that the more senior you are,
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the sort of, you know, more certain you are to get a cut.
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Well, again, presumably remittances back to Somalia or somewhere like that.
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Anyway, five other people were convicted of this.
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Abdeezaz, Mohamed, Mohamed, Mohamed, and Mohamed.
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And 70 other defendants have been charged by the Attorney's Office
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Across 14 indictments and 6 criminal informations,
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Today's verdict highlights the large-scale fraud of this scope
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It's like, we've ignored for years, but obviously.
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But again, if they got a four-year sentence for a fraud that's worth, you know.
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I mean, four years in jail and you come out with hundreds of millions of dollars.
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Of course, this didn't just begin then, uh, as, uh, former Minnesota State Representative
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Jason Lewis points out, in 2014, uh, Somali daycare fraud was a major issue and apparently
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$100 million was missing because they just tell the state that they're doing the services
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and the state's like, well, we want to provide daycare or food or whatever it is, and here's
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And, I mean, in the previous one they said, well, parents have just dropped their kids
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off and they just basically leave them in this room.
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It's like, okay, so this has been going on for years, you know, back since 2014.
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They just, if there's access to money, they're going to get hold of it.
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Uh, and John Kennedy, uh, accuses Democrats, another, uh, senator, has accused, uh, Democrats
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I said, well, yeah, maybe they did because the Minnesota Attorney General came out and
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We can't use incidents like this to score a political point.
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And it's like, well, okay, I mean, it, it seems that it's expressly political.
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But it is political to them and it is tribal to them.
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It's only Democrats with a particular community and it's only Democrats with a particular community
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Like Jacob Frey came out and said, well, you come for one of all, one of us, you come for
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It's like, okay, well, you're, you're turning that community into a political agent in your
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And it's like, okay, well, we shouldn't politicize this.
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You brought in a bunch of people who are prepared to defraud you for billions of dollars and they
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And they're doing it to prop up their country, meaning that the money that they steal from
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you is almost half of their own country's economy.
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And the thing is, like I said, they don't even seem shameless.
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We're going to watch this clip because it's the funniest thing in the world.
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Because she's basically laughing in the faces of the people watching this when confronted
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Of the 87 people charged, all but eight are of Somali descent.
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And that has added to the spotlight being put specifically on your community.
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Why do you think this fraud was allowed to get so widespread?
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Well, I want to say, you know, this also has an impact on Somalis because we are also taxpayers
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We also could have benefited from the program and the money that was stolen.
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And so it's been really frustrating for people to not acknowledge the fact that we're, you
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know, we're also, as Minnesotans, as taxpayers, really upset and angry about the fraud that
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Imagine if, you know, some Islamist terrorist blew up a nuclear device in New York City.
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What would be the consequences for Islamophobia?
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It's been really frustrating because as taxpayers for $625, we only made however many out of
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the millions that we defrauded out of the state.
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They were paying $600 a year in taxes and they got $300 a month at least per child from
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Like I said, they may not be academically gifted, but they're not stupid.
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But you'll notice when she's saying that, you know, she...
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I think for a second, you think of yourselves as taxpayers.
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Wasn't there somebody saying that her net worth has now climbed up to $30 million or something
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She attributes it to her husband's businesses, though.
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Like, oh, well, the Somali community could have benefited from that money that they defrauded.
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It's so goddamn shameless that you just can't get over it.
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Frey won the Minneapolis mayor race because the Somali opponent was from the wrong tribe.
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The other tribes voted against them or didn't vote.
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Although, doubtless, could have swung it in that case.
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Sigil Stone, NBC used to run a segment on Nightly News called The Fleecing of America.
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I wouldn't not even know who to talk to about any kind of fraud scheme or how to get welfare for that matter.
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Being a working man must be frowned upon by society one thing.
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Like, I just can't imagine bringing up the idea of defrauding the British government for millions of pounds with one of my friends.
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In this culture, if you're not involved in the taking of free money as quickly as you can...
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Why are you depriving your family of that money back in Somali?
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You see the state as an enemy and the pot of taxes as loot.
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I don't even know if it's necessarily they see it as an enemy.
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Yeah, I don't think they hate the Americans necessarily.
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It's like, oh, you're prepared to give us all this money?
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Oh, yeah, we've definitely got a daycare full of autistic kids.
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And we're definitely spending billions on feeding these people.
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Flavius says, I just want all third worlders gone from my country at this point.
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Well, I mean, I'm sure this has really changed a lot of people's minds on this.
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Let me check that these are working before we start.
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In discourse, there are people who make claims.
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One way is to say, to demand from them to prove their claims.
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The other is to put forward claims without proving them and ask for people to disprove them.
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Some people are of the latter, but the latter is based on a methodological fallacy.
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I cannot disprove to you that Candace Owens may have a crush on Macron.
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I can't disprove it to you, but that doesn't mean that it's false.
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I like the way you front-loaded this massive drama segment with a bunch of philosophy there.
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Yeah, it's absolutely philosophical because this is a joy for epistemologists if you focus on what is happening.
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And the audience that approaches this from my perspective just takes this with a pinch of salt and says,
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Well, several influencers are making claims about what happens behind closed doors, putting forward hypotheses that are largely unverifiable and are trying to occasionally integrate empirical data within a broader narrative, always to confirm the hypothesis.
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And I take that always with a pinch of salt and I demand them to give me conclusive proof.
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Yeah, but some other people think that just because you can't disprove something, it therefore must be true.
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You don't ask for people to disprove something.
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But the point is that who gives you good reasons to believe something?
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Someone who gives you evidence for it and say, this is why you should believe it.
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Or someone who says, well, this is a potential hypothesis.
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But the best way of giving gossip is postponing the gossip.
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If I just give you the gossip, you're going to listen to it and move on.
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So let me just say that there are some claims that Candace Owens has made that I don't know if she's joking or not.
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Like occasionally she has referred to Elon Musk, Peter Cattillo, and Sam Altman as hybrids.
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But maybe she was just implying that, yeah, they may not be...
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If you want to pull out the link, we can have the link.
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But okay, I don't know if that's a joke or not.
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But there are other things that she seems to not treat as jokes.
00:32:34.740
And this has to do with the infamous case of Bridget Macrons.
00:32:39.500
Now, I want to say my hunch is that Candace may secretly be in love with Emmanuel Macron.
00:32:52.660
But the whole point about Bridget Macron being a man, this was like, just be clear, I don't
00:33:02.340
This Bridget Macron as a man thing is so obviously false.
00:33:04.980
Because we've got pictures of Bridget Macron back when she was grooming Emmanuel Macron as
00:33:14.540
So now I'm going to give you the Candace Owens take on the matter.
00:33:19.940
You mentioned pictures of Bridget Macron from an age of, say, 40.
00:33:33.080
So here we have Candace Owens saying that that is on March 14, 2024.
00:33:52.280
That she has mentioned that she has been in touch with several French journalists.
00:33:59.160
And he's talking about a face recognition technology scam that suggests that Bridget
00:34:11.000
And this is the theory that she puts forward that there are no pictures of Bridget
00:34:18.060
That's probably because the technology of cameras hadn't been invented then.
00:34:23.580
It's like saying there are no pictures of Julius Caesar.
00:34:32.980
Anyway, so the theory is, the hypothesis is that she hasn't, there aren't pictures of
00:34:45.960
Yeah, I know there were cameras, but like not everyone had a camera on their phone, right?
00:34:49.240
Like there were very few pictures of me when I was young just because my family weren't
00:34:56.040
But can you, can you prove that this was the intention?
00:34:58.340
Can you prove that you weren't a woman and that you transitioned?
00:35:02.340
That's the theory that Michelle, Brigitte Macron, sorry, I got the theories mixed.
00:35:11.060
You were going to say Michelle Obama then, weren't you?
00:35:12.580
Yeah, it's about, I'm talking about theories about who, the gender, the sexes of politicians.
00:35:21.580
She went after Brigitte Macron, not Michelle Obama.
00:35:24.260
The theory is that, Candace's theory is that Brigitte Macron is actually Jean-Michel
00:35:34.240
And then 10 years afterwards started grooming Macron.
00:35:41.380
I mean, it's, it's, it's a big rabbit hole, but whatever, I think, anyway, so what happens
00:35:49.280
here, the Macron's are saying, stop it, and they sued her, and Candace dabbles down, and
00:35:56.280
she says, I'm fighting on behalf of the entire world.
00:36:00.660
You were born a man, and you'll die a man, see you in court.
00:36:04.500
Well, the, the Macron's are suing her in, I think it was Delaware court.
00:36:14.700
Candace says here that someone really high in the White House hierarchy called her to
00:36:24.520
Because Macron said, no, it's not that they're going to kill her, because Macron said that
00:36:28.840
unless Candace stops talking about his wife, he isn't going, he isn't going to push for
00:36:39.420
So he is going to completely forget all the rivalry between Russia and France.
00:36:50.040
He isn't going to focus on how the geopolitical rivalry between Russia and France harms France
00:36:57.440
in, on occasion, because he is going to, because Candace Owens is talking about it.
00:37:03.680
Just to be clear, Bridget Macron got married in 1974.
00:37:06.720
I told you, she's as old as bloody time itself.
00:37:09.840
To a banker called André-Louise Alizé, and she had three kids with him.
00:37:14.860
Yeah, but the point is that if you go down the road, the latter road I said, that the burden
00:37:22.440
of proof is allegedly on the shoulders of the person who is called to disprove a hypothesis.
00:37:28.240
Sure, but this disprovement, because she was in her early 20s.
00:37:31.140
Yeah, but methodologically speaking, this is because this is all just, this is all epistemology
00:37:35.460
101, you can always integrate new pieces of data in order to fit a particular theory.
00:37:42.520
You could say the banker was in it, it's a, all of it was forgery, all the documents were
00:38:12.900
Well, that's again, that's, and that's where, you know, there's the burden of proof.
00:38:17.160
To think of how prescient they were that they sort of planted these three children way back
00:38:22.440
when, knowing that Macron was going to become president of France, and that this evidence
00:38:30.840
So the, so the Macrons are suing Candace and Alex Jones is saying Candace Owens says that
00:38:35.920
the Macron defamation suit against her was designed to be a distraction from French journalist
00:38:42.140
So just, Macron is younger than two of her children.
00:38:48.240
But the point is, like, he's like three or four years younger than like a middle child.
00:38:58.200
We're going to plant the seeds now, and then we'll find some kid who 15 years later she
00:39:04.360
can groom, and then we can make him the president.
00:39:16.880
I mean, what's it, how's it, how's it got, you know, anyway.
00:39:19.060
Candice agreed with, no, it's the idea that almost everyone is politics, is a pedophile,
00:39:27.280
and because they're pedophiles, they can be blackmailed.
00:39:33.520
I mean, essentially, that's where it looks like it's going.
00:39:46.580
Candice agreed with Alex Jones' warning that she should expect the Delaware case against her
00:39:51.560
to be completely rigged, like the cases against Trump and himself.
00:39:55.880
What if they DNA test Macron's wife, Bridget, and she...
00:40:10.100
But do you trust your own expert, or can they be compromised?
00:40:19.620
The point is, though, you could play this game endlessly.
00:40:29.040
Candice Owen says that Charlie Kirk came to her in a dream and revealed to her that he was betrayed.
00:40:36.180
but that she believes it will be exposed and have international consequences.
00:40:39.860
So, the other day, I was browsing through my WhatsApp, and I noticed my own profile picture.
00:40:45.340
And it's the picture of that Watchmen guy where he's like, it came to me in a dream.
00:40:49.120
And I'm like, God, I've been messaging politicians with that profile picture.
00:40:58.600
So, I mean, I'm as much of a believer as of it came to me in a dream as anyone.
00:41:11.960
And these stories are going to connect in the near future because it's all connected.
00:41:20.960
I was watching Tim Pool's podcast with Milo on it the other day.
00:41:23.980
And he was pointing out, look, this is basically like a female true crime documentary.
00:41:28.600
Here, where it's like, you know, this is the sort of thing that.
00:41:31.160
My wife listens to these true crime things all the time.
00:41:33.200
And you'll get things like, oh, and this woman did something crazy because she dreamt it or something like that.
00:41:38.920
So, actually, what we're not looking at here is politics.
00:41:42.160
What we're looking at here is women living through some sort of IRL true crime documentary.
00:41:47.540
I think we may be looking towards politics because there are real dangers with it.
00:41:53.900
I'm not saying it won't have a political event.
00:41:56.240
But we'll mention them towards the end of the story.
00:41:57.780
What I'm thinking, though, is that we are thinking in logical masculine terms.
00:42:01.240
As in, cause and effect has a particular necessary relationship, right?
00:42:09.180
It's like, no, Charlie Kirk came to me in a dream.
00:42:11.360
And I believe it will be exposed and there'll be international consequences.
00:42:14.980
She's creating a fantasy for women who feel hurt by what has happened, right?
00:42:26.400
I'm saying this is the sort of thing that women self-select for.
00:42:35.380
Because I bet her audience is almost entirely with it.
00:42:38.180
So here is where another controversy has started with respect to Candace Owens' relation to TPUSA,
00:42:44.640
which is the organization of Charlie Kirk, especially after his death.
00:42:50.020
So there is an endless flow of information about this online.
00:42:56.560
You can see people taking clips of her, criticizing her or being in favor of her.
00:43:05.540
So I'm going to try and be very, very distant with it.
00:43:10.900
And I'm just going to tell you what something, some people are legend, what happens.
00:43:15.680
And I want to show her things that she does say.
00:43:18.800
So it looks like in some cases, she does implicate.
00:43:23.480
She does seem to be saying that Charlie Kirk was murdered by.
00:43:29.900
It was clearer and clearer that Turning Point USA was involved.
00:43:36.420
I don't think that adequate evidence has been given.
00:43:43.180
Involved from the beginning or in some kind of cover up or what it could be.
00:43:47.120
Depending on the video, you'll see her saying different things.
00:43:57.300
Then it's also the issue of how much is she implicating Erica Kirk.
00:44:02.800
In some cases, it looks like the way she was expressing implicated Erica Kirk.
00:44:07.720
In some other cases, I will say there has been, because I want to be fair.
00:44:18.060
Say that she isn't exactly talking about Erica Kirk.
00:44:24.140
And also, she says that she is trying to put forward the narrative according to which the murder was something that was incredibly big, massive and international.
00:44:55.100
So shouldn't you have caught the shooter on the roof in 4K?
00:45:01.040
So you think that was someone else that was running across?
00:45:05.080
I don't even know if there was a person that sprinted that day because everyone's forgetting.
00:45:10.280
There was also a news report that came out a week before that somebody was on the roof.
00:45:18.960
Now, they may have been dropping off a gun, dropping off a screwdriver.
00:45:22.540
Because there is one video, like, one of the students had panned out where he was running.
00:45:25.440
But that person who took that video that I had to track down?
00:45:31.920
So the person that captured that, because I remember when it first broke.
00:45:34.540
So she is putting forward a hypothesis that is a way more massive and wide-reaching.
00:45:47.480
So she has made another claim, the Egyptian jet theory.
00:45:56.600
She is talking about some Egyptian planes and Erika Kirk.
00:46:05.340
She has repeatedly discussed what she called the Egyptian plane story.
00:46:09.080
She alleges that flight tracking data shows two Egyptian aircraft repeatedly appearing near places visited by Erika Kirk.
00:46:16.580
She claimed one plane's transponder was active near Provo Airport around the time of the shooting, turning on again shortly after the incident.
00:46:25.200
She initially linked the planes to Charlie Kirk, but later stated she believes they were tracking his wife, Erika Kirk.
00:46:31.140
And she claimed the same plane crossed paths with Erika Kirk's travel around about 70 times over a few years, describing the probability as mind-blowing.
00:46:39.740
And she has also mentioned some of the bad cars.
00:46:42.420
And she started talking about Egyptian cars, license plates of Egyptians on the day of the assassination.
00:46:50.680
I mean, personally, I'm just thinking, right, a lot of immigrants.
00:46:53.300
But I mean, if she was like, yeah, it was Israel, at least I'd understand the conspiracy, right?
00:47:01.320
But what possible reason would Egypt have to assassinate Charlie Kirk?
00:47:04.540
The point is, we are throwing something out there, and let's see how it's all connected.
00:47:12.700
Because it is all connected, and we don't have to prove it to the degree that others don't disprove it.
00:47:24.540
And here there's a very weird statement back from November 24.
00:47:29.300
She says, when everything is said and done, and the public learns that Macron allegedly moved $1.5 million for my assassination, how will the world respond?
00:47:41.080
So that's weirdly phrased, but let's say that it was a typo.
00:47:45.780
Notice how she's put herself at the center of a grand worldwide conspiracy that the entire world should respond to.
00:47:52.500
Like this, again, I genuinely feel that this is some sort of woman's true crime drama playing out.
00:47:57.140
So she says, then, the next day, November 25, our show will be off air this week.
00:48:04.380
As an update, both the White House and our counterterrorism agencies have confirmed the receipt of what I reported publicly.
00:48:10.880
Emmanuel Macron attempted to organize my assassination.
00:48:19.840
Also, I will again state that the French Legionnaires were involved in Charlie Kirk's assassination, but they did not act alone.
00:48:26.120
For all of you who doubted my claims, you can now look to the president of the United States and our intelligence communities to issue a statement to confirm whether I am telling the truth.
00:48:40.700
You remember towards the end where it's Dreyfus who is putting all the assassins go there.
00:48:48.620
And here she is keeping a low profile, despite being hunted by assassins.
00:48:54.620
She's on the party of, I think, Tucker Carlson.
00:49:06.240
The next week that she can say with full confidence that Charlie Kirk was betrayed by the leadership of TPUSA now.
00:49:21.720
So again, you see the phrase with respect to who is implicated in leadership is completely...
00:49:27.060
Why would Turning Point USA want Charlie Kirk dead?
00:49:49.700
Let me explain to you the geopolitics of Egypt.
00:49:55.900
She's tied in the French legionaries who killed Macron now.
00:49:59.320
But you're the one who's got a problem with France.
00:50:07.220
What I want to say is that there are several ways of viewing this.
00:50:15.820
I think that to a very large extent, when people engage upon that sort of discourse,
00:50:28.500
So if you constantly doubt anyone who will put forward a sort of official view, you can
00:50:41.740
So the point is maybe to sow doubt to any kind of state.
00:50:45.940
And lead us to the place where you mentioned before with the Somali segment.
00:50:50.040
Look at the state where it's always the case that every official voice is treated as an enemy.
00:51:01.360
The only way to save the world is to give Candace Owens money.
00:51:04.820
More so attention, I think, is the way to save the world.
00:51:09.060
Sorry, Frost, do you want to mention something?
00:51:11.460
And here I'm going to mention Tim Pool and something.
00:51:17.680
Tim Pool says here that he publicly criticized Candace Owens.
00:51:22.340
I will say this, that there are many people who have criticized her before, and frequently
00:51:31.580
But it's a good idea to see people who were criticizing her before.
00:51:35.980
But it's also a good thing to see conservatives standing up for common sense in some respects.
00:51:42.920
Here he says that Candace Owens didn't like Charlie Kirk.
00:51:47.200
I don't know about it, but he really goes for it.
00:51:50.980
And what he says here is that she's a danger for the 2026 midterms.
00:52:05.420
And there are several people who are constantly attacking the Republican Party.
00:52:10.520
And there is a massive contradiction, which I think that is obvious, is on the one hand,
00:52:18.020
in these spaces, you hear the view that if the left wins, the left will wage total war
00:52:24.900
against the right, which means that they are going to win in a Schmittian, friend versus
00:52:31.060
enemy way, the right, and not allow the right to recover from it.
00:52:39.220
And claim number two is, well, it's okay to lose the midterms.
00:52:43.820
It's okay to lose 2028 if it is the case that whether Trump or Vance or whoever is going
00:52:51.840
to be the next presidential candidate isn't putting forward the agenda that that segment
00:53:01.080
So the point is, and I will say this again, I don't think that they represent the majority
00:53:05.360
of Republican voters, but one thing that they could represent is a sizable minority that
00:53:12.760
convinces Republicans to not vote in the midterms, and by implication, losing to the Democrat candidates.
00:53:21.820
Okay, and on one final note, apparently Candace Owens doesn't believe in dinosaurs either.
00:53:32.180
But on that note, on that controversial bombshell, let's move on.
00:53:38.460
Slightly shell-shocked here, but let's move on.
00:53:46.260
The Labour Party really wants to kill your grandparents, and they're not hiding it in
00:53:51.440
The reason for this segment is that Britain is having a parliamentary debate still over
00:53:58.520
the assisted suicide, assisted dying bill that was passed in the House of Commons and is now
00:54:07.080
Now, this was presented as a private member's bill.
00:54:10.580
So it was presented as something that was outside of the agenda of the governing party,
00:54:18.160
the Labour Party. In the British system, you get a lottery to decide which MPs can bring
00:54:25.780
in their own bills to submit for consideration in the House of Commons, and somehow a lady
00:54:32.620
by the name of Kim Leadbeater won that lottery. She is the right level of nobody and somebody.
00:54:42.280
She's a backbencher, so not a frontbench politician, meaning that she's not in the cabinet, but she
00:54:47.460
is quite famous because she's the sister of Jo Cox, who was an MP assassinated by a right
00:54:53.260
winger because of her role in helping bring in illegal migrants, refugees, asylum seekers
00:55:03.720
So she was assassinated. Obviously, we oppose political violence.
00:55:07.740
But Kim became the sort of right person to submit a private member's bill. Throughout the parliamentary
00:55:18.180
debate, the Labour Party said that it was not taking a side on the question of assisted dying
00:55:26.180
or assisted suicide. Rather, the Labour Party left each of its members to decide on their own
00:55:33.800
whether or not they would support this legislation. But then it turns out that actually they had planned
00:55:44.160
That they had been planning to introduce assisted suicide from before the election,
00:55:48.240
and they figured out that the best way to do it was through a private member's bill.
00:55:54.640
So they didn't want to put it on their manifesto and say that they wanted to kill Granny.
00:55:59.260
Instead, they left it to others to pretend to be presenting a private member's bill
00:56:05.880
when the reality was that as a matter of fact, they had senior civil servants write the bill for them
00:56:13.860
and present it to Parliament. They had discussed it in their own internal documents while they were
00:56:20.000
in opposition and decided that they couldn't put it on the manifesto.
00:56:24.860
It has to be done in another way that would allow the government heavy influence over the debate.
00:56:34.900
And so when the bill moved to the Lords, they started trying to create a constitutional crisis
00:56:41.100
because enough people in the House of Lords opposed the bill
00:56:44.820
and submitted around a thousand amendments to the bill to try to tighten it
00:56:50.440
and to try to say this should be made into something much better if it's going to pass.
00:56:56.560
And the Labour Party in the House of Lords has been dead set against any amendments.
00:57:03.600
They want to pass the most lax bill ever while pretending that it has the most safeguards,
00:57:11.320
But they lie like they breathe. They really have no conscience here.
00:57:19.000
So it turns out that this is actually a government bill.
00:57:23.640
And when this was revealed, there was another intervention.
00:57:27.920
This is a quick thing. Surely a private member's bill from an MP from the ruling government
00:57:36.380
Why would you need a private member's bill if your party was in government?
00:57:40.360
Well, you could still submit private member's bill even if your party was in government.
00:57:45.540
So some people had something about trophy hunting and whatnot that they wanted to.
00:57:49.880
Like it gives MPs a chance to submit bills for their own causes.
00:57:57.300
But here they've pretty much abused the process.
00:58:12.080
So did he say in the Labour Manifesto he was against and he's...
00:58:15.820
In the Labour Manifesto they kept silent on it.
00:58:18.440
But they went ahead and did it anyway just like they did with the tax rises, just like
00:58:23.040
they did with a bunch of things that weren't on the manifesto.
00:58:26.320
And then they decided to sneak them in through all kinds of procedural tricks anyway.
00:58:37.280
Now let me see if they have anything in common.
00:58:49.820
Lord MacDonald, Permanent Undersecretary and Head of the Diplomatic Service.
00:58:58.400
So it's pretty much the establishment, the deep state, people who have been involved in
00:59:02.640
the government of Britain as unelected officials.
00:59:07.840
They've all intervened to say that the House of Lords must respect the primacy of the House
00:59:14.560
of Commons, that it isn't optional, and it's the foundation of parliamentary legitimacy,
00:59:22.420
Oh yeah, because people feel Parliament is just so damn legitimate these days.
00:59:27.640
But the other part of the problem is, why is there a House of Lords if it doesn't have
00:59:31.980
a role to play and must simply nod at whatever the House of Commons says?
00:59:35.660
How does the House of Lords support the legitimacy of the House of Commons anyway?
00:59:48.500
How can the Lords lend their legitimacy to the Commons?
00:59:51.760
Merely by nodding silently and agreeing to whatever the government wants to do.
00:59:56.460
And this is really spectacular that the bill gets written by somebody from the civil service,
01:00:08.620
She hadn't do any drafting, and then somebody who I used to work with contacted me to see
01:00:16.500
So, she's a First Parliamentary Council, again, part of the establishment, essentially.
01:00:31.600
So, when Kim Ledbetter won the right to submit a private member's bill, she had no idea what
01:00:39.240
to do with it, or she was a patsy from the start.
01:00:42.060
But then senior members of the establishment stepped in and wrote her bill for her in line
01:00:52.000
with what Labour was planning on doing while they were still in opposition, having omitted
01:00:57.120
that they intended to do that from their manifesto.
01:00:59.240
Now, on the constitutionality question, the left has been sort of going a bit on a trip.
01:01:12.560
This is a democratic outrage, Sir Simon Jenkins of the Guardian.
01:01:18.100
If ever a British institution needed assisted dying, it is the House of Lords.
01:01:25.140
I mean, they're all going to qualify for it, so...
01:01:28.640
The opening line here is that if you don't give us what we want, we will kill the House
01:01:35.020
We will mutilate the constitutional settlement of this country.
01:01:43.200
Escalatory, if you ask me, and a little bit unnecessary, but this is very much what they're
01:01:48.020
saying, that they are willing to gut the constitution of this country, the unwritten constitution
01:01:52.120
of this country, in order to make sure that your doctor can ask your grandmother whether
01:02:02.880
And this seems like a very strange hill to die on, but it is part of a broader Labour policy
01:02:11.220
that at pretty much every step wants to get rid of the elderly and of the various constitutional
01:02:22.580
So, on the constitutionality, I mean, their entire argument really rests on two claims.
01:02:29.460
One, the House of Commons said that it should pass, but that is why there is a House of Lords
01:02:35.540
to sort of decide whether or not the House of Commons gets its way, and in the settlement
01:02:41.700
that is sort of established in Britain, on a private member's bill, they, the House
01:02:49.480
of Lords are allowed to decide whether or not they want to actually approve a private member's
01:02:56.260
And so they looked at the constitutionality of it, and, you know...
01:03:03.500
So, you can hardly say that this is a democratic mandate.
01:03:08.160
This wasn't in the manifesto, and the government itself only got a third of the votes of the
01:03:11.920
entire actual votes cast anyway, and a fifth of the actual potential electorate.
01:03:17.740
So, don't talk to me about democratic legitimacy.
01:03:27.220
And the House of Lords rebuttal to this is actually pretty strong.
01:03:31.820
So, the Lords retains the formal power to reject a bill at second or third reading and
01:03:38.120
to insist on amendments during ping pong, which is the consideration of amendments by
01:03:42.600
the two houses, even if this risks being a bill being lost.
01:03:47.560
And the only exception to this is to policy that is actually in the manifesto of the winning
01:03:53.540
So, for pretty much everything else, if it's not in the manifesto, the House of Lords can
01:04:03.040
And instead of accepting this, and accepting that, okay, if it's a government bill, the
01:04:12.380
They are completely insisting that, no, this time, the popularity of it dictates that it
01:04:20.980
Why wouldn't they just put it forth as a government bill, then?
01:04:24.480
Because they don't want to be associated with it.
01:04:34.940
Surely Keir Starmer's just given up on popularity at this point.
01:04:38.640
Well, I saw a poll at 11% approval the other day.
01:04:44.100
He understands this will be the last Labour government that will ever be.
01:05:00.380
This is ideological as well, from the Liberal position.
01:05:03.040
The idea to have your death forced upon you without your consent.
01:05:06.420
This is something that I wanted to get into a little bit.
01:05:13.160
But when using the popularity argument, 60% say that they would be concerned about people
01:05:25.000
If we didn't have such a good example in Canada, perhaps this wouldn't be such a concern.
01:05:31.680
Among supporters, 55% would change their mind if it turned out that somebody had been pressured
01:05:38.720
And there are no real safeguards in this bill to somebody being pressured into dying.
01:05:43.640
You know, in the Netherlands, I think she was 28 or 32, something like that.
01:05:48.120
A young woman was put to death because she was depressed.
01:05:56.300
Everywhere you look at assisted dying, you find that what actually happens is an endless
01:06:07.500
So, how can someone with a mental health problem be considered to have given informed consent
01:06:18.200
They would still be found competent if they speak to the doctors and...
01:06:24.920
No, I just wanted to say that whatever the idea behind it is and whatever the philosophy
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behind it is, it's ultimately an issue of the people who are going to be involved in decision
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making and, yeah, I wanted to ask something very similar to what you said, but it looks,
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it seems to me that this is one of those things that are incredibly easy to abuse.
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They shouldn't promote it and they shouldn't say, hey, let's look at the good things that
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So when these people were specifically asked whether or not this could happen just because
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people feel like an inconvenience, the defenders of the bill, specifically Lord Falconer, who
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was trying to sort of force it through the House of Lords, end up saying that, yes, if
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you feel like a burden, you should die or you should be allowed to die.
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And 48% of people who supported the bill said that they would rethink their position if
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someone chose assisted suicide because other care wasn't sufficiently available.
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And if you know anything about the state of palliative care in this country.
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I was going to say, if you know anything about the NHS, you know that nothing's readily
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So you, so, so the incentive here is how do we reduce the NHS waiting list?
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Well, just, let's just kill old people, vulnerable people, disabled people.
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So they've said that you could end up dying if you have learning difficulties or eating
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If in your mind you're influenced by your circumstances, because you are poor, you should
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But the thing is, you could basically frame all of this from the position of the most hardcore,
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Like, no, we need to get rid of the poor, the disabled, the elderly.
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So eugenics for Europeans, everybody else gets endless welfare.
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Kim Ledbetter had acknowledged that if the care costs are too expensive, then yeah, they
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If they feel like a burden, it's a legitimate reason to request assisted suicide.
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They are being questioned in Parliament or by interviewers or what have you.
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And so pretty much every disabled people's charity opposes the bill.
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I don't think that there should be 350 disabled people's charities funded by the taxpayer.
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One reason is my body is not working in the way that it should.
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My body is not working in the way that it should.
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It's difficult, but not impossible, if someone has an eating disorder, to end up dying.
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Yeah, we can also solve the hunger crisis at the same time.
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Imagine how many problems it solves if we just end up killing all the elderly and disabled.
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There was an amendment in the House of Commons to exempt those who are substantially motivated by housing issues, depression, or being unable to access the services.
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I was going to be made homeless, so he had the state kill him.
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Doctors can't be prevented from raising assisted suicide with a patient.
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So imagine you're battling cancer, and you're trying to find the strength that you need in order to survive it, and you have no idea whether or not you're going to survive it, but there's a chance that you would.
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And your doctor says, well, we can treat you, and chemo will be painful, or we can just put you down.
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They kind of ask it in some cases, irrespective of the act.
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They kind of ask it in several cases, irrespective of the act.
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But what does it do to your confidence in your doctors?
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What trust do you have in somebody who would...
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And the argument is that they say that there is a six-month prognosis.
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You have to have a prognosis that says you're going to die in six months, but these are
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And even then, okay, well, the doctor will be like, you've got six months.
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Oh, suddenly lots of people have only got six months to live.
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And you can see how this becomes quickly fraudulent, with people being written into wills and
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And then they said that it was an answer to pain, but then Falconer himself, the guy
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And this is important, because the Times article by Jardine Gardiner makes the same point.
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Is this about pain and suffering, or is it about control?
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It is very, very frequently not about the intensity of the pain.
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So it's the liberal desire to be the one who makes the decision forever.
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Before I get to that, before I get to that, the Royal College of Psychiatrists says we cannot
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The Royal College of Physicians, not in line with good clinical practice.
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Murdering elderly and disabled aren't actually in line with our practices.
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Biggest non-profit care provider for the elderly.
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Risks to older, vulnerable people are substantial.
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And they're willing to trigger a constitutional crisis over it.
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And the argument, the only argument that they have is that this is about choice and control.
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The issue is that the choice and control only go in one way.
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As in, I want to have enough control to know that my children are not exposed to drugs or
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I want enough control not to have a doctor ask me whether or not I want to be killed.
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I want enough control to have some kind of stability in my life.
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So the choice always goes one way, which is expanding the choice to criminals and abusers
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and limiting your option to live a normal life.
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I want to have a choice of not having to send my wife to work.
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Pretty much every choice that leads you to build a decent and prosperous and fulfilling
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But the choice to destroy your life or even to end it, that is the choice that's sacred.
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So you should be allowed to choose to do drugs.
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You should be allowed to choose all kinds of destructive things, but choices that make
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We will set up society to maximize choice for criminals and degenerates, but not for decent
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And at the same time that they're doing this, they're trying to find another excuse to
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destroy the House of Lords, having already decided to get rid of all the hereditary peers.
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They've always hated it because it's the least liberal institution that we have.
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And to sort of top it off, what Labour is also doing is putting enough new peers in the House
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of Lords to make sure that nobody, that they would never lose a vote in the House of Lords
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So they're not satisfied with gutting the Constitution.
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They also want to continue rigging the game, all in the name of more liberalism and more
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choice, choice to do evil, not choice to do good or to live well.
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It's, it's, it's, it's a, it's mad, deadly mindset that only seeks destruction.
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It's levelling to the, to, to the, to the sort of level of gorillas.
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But the point is, it's the levelling down to the lowest common denominator.
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Which is what has always, that's always been the shadow that's lurked underneath liberalism.
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I was, I'm reading a book on George Washington at the moment, actually.
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And one of the, one of the reasons that he became the first president of America is because
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the experiment in self-government for the states was producing a lot of radical Democrats
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who took on the sort of levelling characteristics that were seen during the English Civil War,
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that the powers that be, I mean, Washington being an aristocrat himself was like, well, hang
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I mean, there's, there's a, I think there is a theory that said that one of the problems
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that the framers of the constitutions had with the articles of confederacy was that
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it left too much democracy, radical democracy to the states.
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So I disagree with you on saying that this isn't a sort of liberal institution because
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Well, no, it's a natural congenital part of liberalism that lurks in the background like
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Why can't we have democracy everywhere if it's so good there?
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And that's a question that lurks have a bad answer for.
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No, they don't have a bad answer because they don't want democracy everywhere.
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They want constitutional government because they want natural, because they say that first
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come rights and then come governments to secure these rights and legitimate governments
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have to secure these rights and these rights are not subject to democratic votes.
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Well, the rights of children precede the institution of the family then.
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Well, the argument that the liberal will make for the emancipation of children from their
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own parents will be founded in the concept that the rights precede the children, the precede
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They will argue that the children have intrinsic rights that essentially precede their own birth.
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How can you have a right when you don't even exist?
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When you begin to exist, you're a person and there are some things.
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But this is what these people will argue is they will take the principles that liberalism
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Yeah, well, they'll do framing and misrepresentation.
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I'm not going to let you just shy away from this.
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Those same arguments can be used for any other hereditary institution.
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Well, from my reading of the issue, when it comes to the family, it's like saying that,
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Just to be clear, I don't even disagree with you, right?
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I think that the English settlement in politics is a good one.
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And that's where liberalism is extracted from, right?
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But the problem is, if you structure the argument against heredity rather than against what
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is bad for people, as in people being oppressed, then what you have is an argument that can
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be applied to any other hereditary institution, like a family.
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And so it is liberalism that caused that problem, even if the thing that it was originally conceived
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to be promoting is a good thing in and of itself, right?
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And that's a good thing that it didn't need liberalism to be good.
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But the point being, what I'm saying is, I think what your position is, it's not persuasive
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Yeah, but they're like an extreme version of liberalism.
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No, you have more overlaps with them than I do.
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No, literally, this is where the concept of left and right come from.
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It's from the radical Republicans in the French Revolution.
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No, the liberals were in the center, the classical ones.
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Anyway, well, there's another discussion for another time.
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If you want to read more about this assisted suicide bill, you really should be following
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Dan Hitchens, who has been absolutely excellent at explaining the problems with it.
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Here he has an A to Z guide, pretty much explaining that from anorexia to feeling like a burden,
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to not having enough care, to any kind of question relating to the bill, there are no safeguards.
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And you can be encouraged by people around you to go and seek an assisted suicide.
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And that is deeply immoral, even outside of a Christian framework.
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And the way that these guys have been playing the game is accusing everybody who opposes assisted suicide
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And I just want to say, and I just want to say...
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That I take that as a compliment to religious fanatics for having opposed something this obviously grotesque.
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There is no way to go through this assisted suicide thing without it ending up being on a slippery slope.
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And part of the slippery slope ends up having what you have in Canada,
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which is something like 95% of all assisted suicides being given to white people.
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And the number is going from a few hundred to 15,000 in just a decade.
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And climbing to the extent that it's about 5% of all deaths in Canada.
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It's the fourth leading cause of death in Canada.
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And if you have anybody you know in the House of Lords,
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you should be writing to them and telling them to oppose this atrocity of a bill.
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It's just completely wrong and completely unnecessary.
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An ancient evil sealed away from millennial returns and wants to destroy society.
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But society is so screwed up, everyone joins him and he's a hero.
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The Antichrist is supposed to be doing initially.
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The Antichrist is supposed to be very popular initially.
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what would outrage us in seeking justice against an individual
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I couldn't think of a single contact I know to join me,
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Like, I just don't think anyone I could message or phone up would be in on it.
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We've got a $20 superchat from Hiroshi Ban saying,
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assisted suicide is not suicide, it's government genocide.
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The bonus is, it saves the whole NHS and GDP line go up.
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It's literally selecting for productivity and minimizing state expenses.
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This is literally, oh, well, the working people can live,
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it's infuriating just how much Ilhan Omar can campaign for Somalian land
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The average Westerner can't comprehend how tribal these people are.
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again, you don't understand that they consider themselves not as individuals, right?
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They do not think of themselves as being separate from their own tribes.
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They think of themselves as being ensconced and embedded
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and connected directly with all of those people around them,
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which is why the kickbacks are such a natural thing.
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Like, it maintains themselves in this web of society
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that Somalis genuinely don't see this as fraud.
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is where all the African princes and princesses
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while they're trying to get a hold of their inheritances.
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wait, so Bridget Macron isn't a man or a trans woman.
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that Michelle Obama wasn't a man called Big Mike.
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Listen, I'm on the train with that conspiracy theory.
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because we've got pictures of her from when she was young
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the Bridget Macron is a man hypothesis is obviously false.
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We're discussing metaphysical truths or something.
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These are actual, plausible, manifestable, material complaints.
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It's focusing on possibility but not probability.