The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1312

00:00:00.260 Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen. Welcome to the podcast, The Lotus Eaters.

00:00:03.840 For Monday, is it the 8th? Jesus, it's the 8th of December already.

00:00:08.500 2025, I'm joined by Stelios and Ferris, and today we're going to be talking

00:00:12.160 about all the Somali fraud that's being exposed. This is genuinely hilarious 1.00

00:00:16.240 to me. The Candace Owens controversies, because

00:00:19.680 Stelios has thoughts on those, and of course how the British state is 0.99

00:00:23.740 determined to enact demographic change by just killing off all of the old white people. 1.00

00:00:28.100 Yep. I'm not even overstating that, am I? That's exactly what they're trying 1.00

00:00:32.000 to do. There's no other explanation for it.

00:00:35.480 Yeah, but before we begin, at 3 o'clock on

00:00:37.920 notices.com, Ferris has an episode of RealPolitique that he's doing live, so you

00:00:42.020 can ask him Q&As. What's it about? It's about the

00:00:46.180 new American national security strategy, and the big changes

00:00:50.300 that this means for the world, including Europe, and the

00:00:53.780 deprioritization of the Middle East. So, a bunch of interesting changes that are

00:00:57.980 happening there. See, what I like about the new strategy is, rather than bombing

00:01:01.520 random people sat in a country who are doing nothing of any particular interest,

00:01:04.620 bomb the people who come illegally to the country. 1.00

00:01:07.880 That's a big part of what's going to be happening. So, it's all about a Trump corollary

00:01:14.720 to the Monroe Doctrine that is very explicitly anti-China and explicitly anti the

00:01:20.140 cartels and the leftists. Kind of redundant, but yeah. So, it's a very big change if they

00:01:28.500 manage to pull through it, but there are some problems with it that I'm also going to be

00:01:32.500 talking about.

00:01:33.220 Alright, okay. Well, join us at 3 o'clock for that. Anyway, so let's talk about the Somalian

00:01:38.980 community in Minnesota, and the United States more broadly, because this is something that

00:01:44.380 has become salient since Trump called them out, frankly, saying, well, why are they here?

00:01:50.400 What good are they actually doing to the United States? And that's a great question,

00:01:54.560 because there are only about 260,000 Somalis in the United States anyway, and already they've

00:02:00.260 really made a name for themselves.

00:02:02.120 Yes.

00:02:02.320 They've really impressed everyone with the way that they're working. So, let's focusing on

00:02:05.880 Minnesota specifically, right? The Somali population of Minnesota is approximately 107,000 out of

00:02:12.900 5.8 million.

00:02:14.720 Okay.

00:02:15.160 So, they are a tiny fraction of Minnesota, and of Minneapolis in particular, they're 84,000

00:02:22.700 out of 425,000. So, why are we constantly hearing about Somali nonsense out of Minnesota? 1.00

00:02:30.860 I don't know. Does it have to do with the culture? 0.83

00:02:33.680 Sorry?

00:02:34.160 Does it have to do with the culture?

00:02:35.880 I think it's reported to the police for saying that not all cultures are equal.

00:02:41.180 That's the point, right? So, they've got Ilhan Omar, they've got Jacob Frey speaking Somalian

00:02:47.600 as he becomes the mayor, but they didn't elect the Somali candidate for mayor, because there

00:02:52.720 are just not enough Somalis there to swing the ethnic vote, even though they, of course, 0.99

00:02:57.320 overwhelmingly voted for him, because they're Democrats, and Jacob Frey is a white guy,

00:03:03.180 let's vote for the white guy. And so, he's come out and been excessively woke about all of this,

00:03:09.060 which is really funny, and as we go through this, you'll see why this is even funnier,

00:03:13.360 because they are very firmly pinning their 95 feces to the door of the Somali community 0.99

00:03:18.880 is nothing but a good thing for Minnesota, which, I mean, that's going to age well, isn't it? 1.00

00:03:24.360 Didn't they do the same thing with Haiti, when Trump said that Haiti was an asshole? 0.99

00:03:29.300 Yes, they all went to Haiti and said, this is brilliant. 1.00

00:03:32.060 And then we had barbecue take over.

00:03:33.840 Yeah, yeah, we did, yes.

00:03:35.740 But that's the point, isn't it? Like, this, because, I mean, it's such tepid thinking.

00:03:41.140 It's like, oh, identity politics, therefore the brown person good, and Trump is bad.

00:03:45.640 It's like, okay, but the numbers are in. Like, the numbers are public.

00:03:48.720 Like, anyone can check the numbers, right? So, it turns out that Minnesotans are enriched

00:03:55.040 by Somalians to the tune of $67 million in taxes a year.

00:04:01.160 I mean, you're good at maths.

00:04:02.680 That's a drop in a buck.

00:04:04.020 You're good at maths?

00:04:05.620 Yeah, generally speaking.

00:04:06.980 Yeah, what do you reckon that is per Somalian?

00:04:10.740 Per 100,000, per what, 200,000?

00:04:13.280 Per 100,000 Somalians.

00:04:14.960 That's pretty much nothing, right?

00:04:16.340 Well, it's about six bucks each.

00:04:17.920 That's $626 a year.

00:04:22.100 Yep.

00:04:23.640 $626 a year in tax.

00:04:26.060 That's what they contribute.

00:04:27.700 That's, that's...

00:04:28.900 Well, the question now is...

00:04:30.500 What do they take out?

00:04:31.340 What do they take out?

00:04:32.200 Yeah, that's a great question.

00:04:33.120 Resource extraction.

00:04:34.360 But they're voting. That's the thing.

00:04:36.320 They are.

00:04:36.500 That's the thing for the Democrats. 0.95

00:04:38.080 They are.

00:04:38.740 They're exchanging resources for votes.

00:04:41.920 That is true.

00:04:43.420 But that is a really small amount.

00:04:45.000 And that implies that either the Somalians are basically all impoverished, earning only a few grand a year, or maybe something else is going on.

00:04:54.380 Anyway, so it turns out that remittances make up about somewhere between 45, 25 to 45% of Somalia's entire economy.

00:05:07.280 Is it remittances from the U.S. alone, or is it also from other places?

00:05:12.720 This is a worldwide number.

00:05:14.820 Wow.

00:05:15.360 And this was a few years ago.

00:05:16.640 It's apparently 1.7 billion.

00:05:19.380 This was 2015.

00:05:20.460 Yeah, that was in 2015.

00:05:21.740 Now, it's somewhere around 1.7 billion, it states in this article, somewhere.

00:05:27.700 Well, I can't...

00:05:28.280 They're not taxed from the U.S.?

00:05:30.600 The remittances aren't taxed, no.

00:05:33.120 So they send back around 1.7 billion.

00:05:36.020 How do they pay 67 million in tax and send 1.7 billion?

00:05:42.520 I mean, that is a...

00:05:44.440 That is a great question.

00:05:46.400 But remember, the 1.7 billion is from all over the world.

00:05:51.540 Somalia is all over the world. 0.96

00:05:53.300 But the point of that being 45% possibly of Somalia's economy.

00:05:58.740 I mean, what is Somalia's economy?

00:06:01.860 It's subsistence agriculture.

00:06:05.560 You're forgetting piracy as a critical contributor.

00:06:09.040 Well, didn't that get knocked on the head when we start blowing up the pirates?

00:06:11.920 Pretty much.

00:06:12.460 Yeah.

00:06:12.700 It's more or less done now.

00:06:14.480 Yeah.

00:06:14.680 And if you think about, like, the infrastructure of Somalia, it was all built during the colonial era.

00:06:20.680 Yes.

00:06:21.680 I was doing something on Sudan and counted the bridges in all of Sudan, famously all of it being on the Nile.

00:06:30.840 And I think I found less than a dozen in total, which sort of shows you the extent of...

00:06:38.480 Now, the Nile is a difficult river to bridge.

00:06:40.440 Sure.

00:06:41.360 But so was the Rhine, and that was sold rather quickly.

00:06:45.460 But the point being is that Somalia is a country that is deeply dependent on its diaspora to send money home.

00:06:53.100 It's not doing very well as a country.

00:06:56.220 And so how is the diaspora getting hold of so much money?

00:07:00.220 How is it getting all of this money to send back, given how they only pay $600 a year in taxes?

00:07:05.380 Because they're not earning that money, are they?

00:07:08.760 I mean, in all of America, the Somali community makes about $500 million a year.

00:07:13.600 In total?

00:07:14.500 In total.

00:07:15.500 That's what they make.

00:07:16.360 Okay.

00:07:16.780 Yeah.

00:07:17.500 That's why they only commit $67,000 to the treasury.

00:07:20.600 Right.

00:07:21.100 Right.

00:07:21.360 It's $583,000 or something like that.

00:07:23.240 So it's not a matter of...

00:07:25.880 On the books.

00:07:27.620 Right.

00:07:27.860 That's what's on the books.

00:07:29.260 I mean, I'm not that good with knowledge about that region of Africa, but is it one of those cases where, again, we have NGOs and money coming in, given to warlords or people in government?

00:07:42.380 No, no.

00:07:42.660 They have a president.

00:07:44.160 They have a president in Somalia.

00:07:46.980 A voting system.

00:07:49.120 Okay.

00:07:49.600 Which I'm sure...

00:07:50.380 And Al-Shabaab running half the country. 0.56

00:07:51.700 Oh, there isn't there.

00:07:52.500 So that's the other point.

00:07:54.340 But we'll get back to Al-Shabaab in a minute.

00:07:57.040 Anyway, so it's become very apparent that actually there is a massive amount of fraud going on from the Somalian community in Minnesota, which is starting to explain how they got their hands on so much money to send back to Somalia. 0.97

00:08:08.700 And this is, of course, a deeply embedded thing in, in particular, the Somali community.

00:08:13.360 But, in fact, many of the foreign communities that have come to live in the West, it is just habitual that they send money home.

00:08:21.920 And Somalia is, of course, deeply dependent on this.

00:08:25.260 And what all of this fraud exposes is the clannish nature of their society. 0.99

00:08:31.700 And it's something that we in the West, the Western liberal individuals, do not understand.

00:08:36.920 And we don't understand why this would be such a widespread problem in that community.

00:08:42.580 But I'm going to just read from this New York Times article for a minute.

00:08:46.660 Because it's just, even they, even the New York Times is like, guys, I think this might be a bit indefensible.

00:08:55.660 Yep.

00:08:55.800 But listen to this.

00:08:57.280 The fraud scandal that rattled Minnesota was staggering in its scale and brazenness.

00:09:03.300 How is it the entire community could be so brazen?

00:09:06.240 Okay.

00:09:06.920 That's the question.

00:09:07.820 Because, of course, if Stelios, you or I were committing fraud, we would expect the people around us to be like, oh, my God, he's committing fraud.

00:09:16.100 Yeah.

00:09:16.440 Right, I'm going to report that to the government.

00:09:17.920 Right.

00:09:18.160 I'm going to do the right thing and stop him from defrauding people.

00:09:22.760 But for some reason, that just wasn't something that the Somalians in Minnesota thought to do.

00:09:28.060 Could it be a different us versus them mentality?

00:09:30.900 I think it might be.

00:09:32.060 And I think that's where the brazenness comes in.

00:09:34.580 But also, I think there has to be an issue with checking.

00:09:39.320 Yeah.

00:09:39.560 Because there is an atmosphere of impunity coming from leftist, let's say, politicians with respect to their preferred groups.

00:09:47.180 Yes, but you remember, the leftist politicians and the preferred groups in the case of St. Minnesota are not different.

00:09:54.000 Ilhan Omar is a part of the preferred group.

00:09:56.600 Yes.

00:09:57.080 These people are, you know, one and the same in many cases.

00:10:01.200 So anyway, federal prosecutors charged dozens of people with felonies, accusing them of stealing hundreds of millions of dollars from a government program meant to keep children fed during the COVID-19 pandemic.

00:10:10.480 As first, many in the state saw the cases as one-off abuse during a health emergency.

00:10:17.880 But as new schemes targeting the state's generous safety net programs came to light, state and federal officials began to grapple with the jarring reality.

00:10:25.080 Over the last five years, law enforcement officials say, fraud took root in pockets of Minnesota's Somali diaspora,

00:10:31.040 as scores of individuals made fortunes by setting up companies that build state agencies for millions of dollars' worth of social services that were just never provided.

00:10:39.700 Federal prosecutors say that 59 people, and there's, again, 100,000 people in total, and they've already prosecuted 59 people for this,

00:10:48.320 have been convicted in those schemes so far, and that more than a billion of taxpayer money has been stolen in only three plots that they are investigating.

00:10:56.020 So they're paying $67 million in taxes, and they've gotten a billion?

00:11:02.300 Okay.

00:11:03.060 And the thing is, we have the habit of trying to individualize this.

00:11:06.860 So, oh, right, we caught the person involved.

00:11:08.580 We caught that person involved.

00:11:09.520 We caught that person involved.

00:11:10.720 It's like, that's not how that community works.

00:11:13.420 Nothing in that community is individual.

00:11:15.940 Everything is a collective group effort.

00:11:18.540 And this is what the West needs to understand about this particular community and other communities like it.

00:11:23.120 And I'm going to read now, just verbatim, from the Minnesota State Attorney's Office, about just one of these cases.

00:11:34.000 And it is, I'm not going to swear, but it is remarkable.

00:11:38.740 It is absolutely remarkable.

00:11:40.020 So, this is a case of Asha Farhan Hassan, 28, who was charged by federal information with wire fraud in her role in a $14 million autism fraud scheme.

00:11:53.900 She was also charged in the Feeding Our Future fraud scheme, which we'll cover in a minute, for nearly half a million out of that. 0.90

00:12:00.020 But from November 2019, and you notice that, so that's before COVID, it's not just the government opens the coffers and then sometimes you're like,

00:12:06.800 Well, I mean, why not just fill our pockets with that?

00:12:09.660 No, this is before that.

00:12:11.220 This is, oh, the government gives out money.

00:12:13.160 Well, we can get that money.

00:12:16.260 So, before COVID in 2019,

00:12:20.280 Hassan and others devised a scheme and carried out a scheme to defraud the EIDBI Autism Services Programme.

00:12:27.240 They formed and registered Smart Therapy LLC with the Minnesota Secretary of State in 2019.

00:12:33.820 Hassan listed herself as the only owner of Smart Therapy.

00:12:35.980 In reality, though, other individuals also had ownership stakes in Smart Therapy,

00:12:40.520 were just not listed on the documents.

00:12:42.460 Don't need to do that, because you are my cousin, you are my brother, you are, you know.

00:12:46.500 This is all a deeply connected clan of people operating.

00:12:49.940 And odds are, the people behind this used a female, 0.92

00:12:54.000 knowing that a black female would have a more favorable treatment from the powers that be, 0.94

00:13:00.940 because of all of the DEI nonsense. 1.00

00:13:02.560 They may not be academically gifted, but they're not stupid. 0.98

00:13:05.980 They know how you work, right? 0.97

00:13:08.580 They are politically gifted.

00:13:10.460 I mean, this is part of functioning in a tribal culture.

00:13:14.580 You have to understand.

00:13:15.540 It requires a deep understanding of the politics and who's in charge of what,

00:13:19.440 and what are the rewards and punishments that are involved.

00:13:24.040 Yes, indeed.

00:13:24.560 And so, Smart Therapy...

00:13:26.440 I'm going to read from the notes, Sissy, and scroll on the through.

00:13:30.040 Smart Therapy purported to be providing necessary one-on-one ABA therapy to children with autism.

00:13:35.300 In fact, Smart Therapy employed underqualified individuals as behavioral technicians.

00:13:40.080 These behavioral technicians were often 18 or 19-year-old relatives,

00:13:43.340 with no formal education beyond high school,

00:13:45.780 no training or certificates related to their treatment of autism.

00:13:48.140 Who could have imagined this?

00:13:50.400 Yeah.

00:13:51.120 I can imagine them ending up, you know,

00:13:53.300 using their CVs to come on the NHS

00:13:56.140 and working as individual therapists for the NHS.

00:14:00.540 Or worse, activist judges.

00:14:02.400 Yeah.

00:14:02.680 I am going to try and scroll through just so you can see it.

00:14:06.140 I'm just literally reading verbatim, though.

00:14:10.600 Oh, about here.

00:14:13.800 From November 2019 through December 2024...

00:14:16.820 I know I've read that, but...

00:14:18.420 So, she did all of these things, obviously.

00:14:25.260 Hold on, let me...

00:14:26.080 I think I've found the segment.

00:14:27.560 No, no, no, hang on, let me just go through the whole thing,

00:14:29.620 because the whole thing has just got everything in it, right?

00:14:31.680 Right.

00:14:31.820 So, to run their fraud scheme,

00:14:34.160 Hassan and her partners needed children 0.91

00:14:36.080 who had an autism diagnosis and an individual treatment plan.

00:14:39.680 Well, are there that many autistic kids around? 1.00

00:14:43.080 There bloody well will be if there's money on the line.

00:14:45.960 Hassan and her partners approached parents in the Somali community

00:14:49.040 to recruit their children into smart therapy.

00:14:51.420 Where a child did not have an autism diagnosis

00:14:53.580 and an individual treatment plan,

00:14:55.360 Hassan and her partners worked with the QSP

00:14:57.400 to get the recruited child qualified for autism services.

00:15:00.620 So, money will have changed hands.

00:15:02.900 Wow.

00:15:03.160 There was no child that smart therapy

00:15:04.920 was not able to get qualified for autism services.

00:15:08.780 Wow.

00:15:10.440 They could get anybody diagnosed with autism.

00:15:13.140 Apparently.

00:15:13.480 And then people are critical when we say that, you know,

00:15:16.160 the whole mental health diagnosis industry

00:15:18.120 has a very serious problem.

00:15:19.860 To be fair, this happens everywhere.

00:15:24.780 I was in academia.

00:15:26.120 Almost the overwhelming majority of students

00:15:28.240 had some form of autism,

00:15:30.540 according to so-called experts.

00:15:32.420 Well, that's good because Hassan and her partners 1.00

00:15:33.980 submitted millions of dollars worth of claims for Medicaid,

00:15:38.100 reimbursement on behalf of smart therapy.

00:15:40.260 Many of these claims were fraudulently inflated,

00:15:42.580 if you can believe it,

00:15:43.920 were billed without provider's knowledge

00:15:45.420 and were for services that were not actually provided.

00:15:48.480 Hassan submitted claims seeking reimbursement

00:15:50.140 for the maximum number of hours permitted by Medicaid

00:15:52.120 for a given treatment or service

00:15:53.700 given to a particular client

00:15:55.200 when the client only received a fraction of the treatment

00:15:57.560 if they were provided any at all.

00:16:00.120 Shameless.

00:16:00.540 I think the best part that you might be going over this now,

00:16:05.240 as a recruitment tactic to drive up enrollment,

00:16:07.440 Hassan and her partners paid monthly cash kickback payments

00:16:11.060 to the parents of children who enrolled their children

00:16:13.600 in smart therapy to receive autism services.

00:16:16.820 Yes.

00:16:17.580 So to your point that the whole community was involved,

00:16:20.900 they bribed Somali parents 0.99

00:16:24.120 to pretend that their children were autistic

00:16:26.300 and then collected far more money from the state.

00:16:30.800 This is the thing that people don't understand about...

00:16:32.560 Just for anyone, as it says there,

00:16:34.540 these kickbacks ranged from approximately $300

00:16:36.560 to $1,500 per month per child, right?

00:16:39.460 But the amount of these payments was contingent on services

00:16:41.700 DHS authorised a child to receive.

00:16:43.900 The higher the authorisation, the higher the kickback.

00:16:45.860 But often, parents threaten to leave smart therapy

00:16:48.560 and take their children to other autism centres

00:16:50.720 if they did not get paid their higher kickbacks.

00:16:53.500 So the other autism centres must have been also paying.

00:16:57.580 She says, several largest families left smart therapy

00:17:00.900 after being offered larger kickbacks from other autism centres.

00:17:04.620 So she isn't the only Somali autism centre offering these kickbacks. 0.91

00:17:10.340 So it just very quickly became a cottage industry.

00:17:15.480 A cottage? I mean, there's $14 million, this one person.

00:17:19.180 This is genuinely industrial.

00:17:22.340 Yes.

00:17:23.000 This isn't someone working out a cottage.

00:17:25.400 Yes.

00:17:25.940 Asana and her partners covered the cost of the kickback payments

00:17:29.400 that they paid through the fraudulent billings to Medicaid.

00:17:32.280 So you can see this is just remarkable.

00:17:36.920 Just absolutely remarkable.

00:17:38.300 It's not just her.

00:17:39.940 There are other ones.

00:17:40.860 And the families are like,

00:17:42.200 well, that autism centre is going to give me a bigger kickback than yours. 0.75

00:17:45.120 So I'm going to them.

00:17:46.020 Not, oh, you're trying to bribe me into doing this.

00:17:48.880 So I'm going to go report you to the government

00:17:50.060 because that would be the right thing to do.

00:17:51.720 No.

00:17:52.420 It's literally the community consents to the crime,

00:17:58.300 which is why they didn't report it.

00:17:59.760 So in one job that I had in Lebanon, I was offered a bribe.

00:18:03.700 I was new at it.

00:18:05.780 And the guy understood quickly that if he did that again,

00:18:10.980 I'd take him out of the car and beat him.

00:18:12.720 Yeah.

00:18:14.120 Then I realized that he told the accountant of the company that I was working for

00:18:19.080 that he'd offered me a bribe and said no,

00:18:22.260 leading me to conclude that the accountant was also in on it,

00:18:26.180 that I was supposed to take the bribe,

00:18:27.940 and then the accountant would come and collect his share.

00:18:30.220 Yes.

00:18:30.960 So that's how this kind of bribery actually works.

00:18:33.920 Yeah.

00:18:34.500 It's done.

00:18:36.360 Everybody is involved. 1.00

00:18:37.780 And I was the idiot for not being involved. 1.00

00:18:40.680 Yes. 1.00

00:18:41.060 And that's literally what they're saying here.

00:18:43.240 Yes, pretty much.

00:18:44.040 I mean, literally, you give us a kickback.

00:18:45.660 Well, they're going to give me a bigger kick about it.

00:18:46.900 Why would I go to you?

00:18:47.980 I mean, good point.

00:18:48.700 The market demands, right?

00:18:50.740 But what I love is this last paragraph at the bottom here, right?

00:18:54.840 Hassan's fraudulent scheme resulted in smart therapy

00:18:57.720 obtaining more than $14 million in reimbursement funds

00:19:00.780 from Minnesota's DHS and UKARE.

00:19:02.980 And she split the proceeds of the fraud schemes with her partners,

00:19:05.500 as, of course, you would.

00:19:06.580 It's the high-trust society.

00:19:09.460 And Hassan herself sent hundreds of thousands of dollars

00:19:13.020 in fraud proceeds abroad,

00:19:14.600 some of which she used to purchase real estate in Kenya.

00:19:17.640 Not in Mogadishu.

00:19:18.620 Not in Mogadishu.

00:19:20.080 No.

00:19:20.800 Weirdly, she didn't buy the property in Somalia.

00:19:24.600 Yes.

00:19:24.920 That's just very interesting, isn't it?

00:19:26.840 And so that's one scheme that is just emblematic.

00:19:29.280 As you can see, they just, I mean, we'll just crank up to max.

00:19:33.300 We'll just literally make the maximum amount of claims we can make,

00:19:35.480 which in and of itself is suspicious. 1.00

00:19:38.120 Idiots. 1.00

00:19:39.060 And the entire community is like, okay, great. 1.00

00:19:41.520 Where's my kickbacks?

00:19:42.460 Where's my money?

00:19:43.060 Where's all of this, right?

00:19:44.360 So there are going to be hundreds,

00:19:46.380 if not thousands of people implicated in this.

00:19:48.620 But it's just her that's been punished.

00:19:50.400 Yes.

00:19:50.840 The community is, they know they're guilty of this.

00:19:53.440 Just one person punished.

00:19:54.360 And that's just in one case, right?

00:19:55.940 The next case is the Feed Our Children fraud of,

00:20:01.340 sorry, Feed Our Future scheme.

00:20:03.420 This was during COVID for $250 million.

00:20:06.760 Again, you can see how they're estimating more than a billion has been defrauded out of this,

00:20:13.140 because they're just going mad for it.

00:20:14.900 So this is Sarah Neuer of Minneapolis,

00:20:18.860 who got 51 months in prison.

00:20:20.920 That's only four years and four and a quarter years in prison.

00:20:25.040 For a $250 million fraud scheme that exploited this program during the COVID-19 pandemic,

00:20:33.100 between September 2020 and April 2021,

00:20:35.980 she claims to have served over 1.2 million meals to children from SNS Catering,

00:20:40.340 which is her company.

00:20:41.540 1.2 million meals?

00:20:42.980 There are just under 6 million people in Minnesota in total.

00:20:47.880 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:20:48.880 425,000 in Minneapolis.

00:20:51.500 How many starving children can there possibly have been in Minneapolis?

00:20:55.420 Yep.

00:20:56.560 Between December 2020 and December 2021,

00:20:59.540 their sites reported serving more than 8 million meals through the food program.

00:21:04.960 And so they made all of these requests for funds from the American government

00:21:10.040 and, quote, no, misappropriated the funds for her own personal benefits, 0.97

00:21:13.440 such as commercial real estate.

00:21:15.060 So it doesn't tell us where this commercial real estate was there.

00:21:17.400 This is what makes me think that senior Democrats were also involved.

00:21:21.660 It was a $250 million fraud scheme.

00:21:24.020 She was ordered to pay back just $5 million.

00:21:26.920 Yes.

00:21:27.600 So $245 million are somewhere else.

00:21:30.940 Yes.

00:21:31.680 Presumably outside of the country.

00:21:32.840 Yes.

00:21:33.300 And the way that these things work is that the more senior you are,

00:21:37.220 the sort of, you know, more certain you are to get a cut.

00:21:41.100 So where did the other $245 million go?

00:21:46.340 Well, again, presumably remittances back to Somalia or somewhere like that.

00:21:50.600 Anyway, five other people were convicted of this.

00:21:52.460 Do you want to have a guess at their names?

00:21:54.460 Mohamed, Mohamed, Ahmed, Ahmed, and Noor.

00:21:58.460 Four of those are Mohameds. 0.99

00:21:59.980 One of them is not a Mohamed. 0.99

00:22:01.400 Okay.

00:22:01.800 Abdul.

00:22:03.540 Abdeez.

00:22:04.740 Abdeezaz, actually. 0.55

00:22:06.360 Yeah.

00:22:07.020 Abdeezaz, Mohamed, Mohamed, Mohamed, and Mohamed.

00:22:10.620 35, 51, 23, 33, and 27, respectively.

00:22:14.440 And 70 other defendants have been charged by the Attorney's Office

00:22:17.700 in the District of Minnesota.

00:22:19.540 Across 14 indictments and 6 criminal informations,

00:22:22.260 18 have already pleaded guilty.

00:22:24.080 The investigation is not over.

00:22:25.580 Today's verdict highlights the large-scale fraud of this scope

00:22:29.080 and nature will not be ignored.

00:22:30.180 It's like, we've ignored for years, but obviously.

00:22:32.500 Glad that this is finally coming out now.

00:22:34.160 But again, if they got a four-year sentence for a fraud that's worth, you know.

00:22:38.560 $250 million.

00:22:39.220 $250 million.

00:22:40.600 That's a freaking good investment.

00:22:42.620 Yeah, that is a hell of a good investment.

00:22:44.020 I mean, four years in jail and you come out with hundreds of millions of dollars.

00:22:47.440 I'd take it.

00:22:48.240 So, no.

00:22:49.960 It's, uh.

00:22:50.380 Bill Hound just, you know.

00:22:54.260 Anyway, so this has been going on for years.

00:22:57.040 Of course, this didn't just begin then, uh, as, uh, former Minnesota State Representative

00:23:01.340 Jason Lewis points out, in 2014, uh, Somali daycare fraud was a major issue and apparently

00:23:06.320 $100 million was missing because they just tell the state that they're doing the services

00:23:10.840 and the state's like, well, we want to provide daycare or food or whatever it is, and here's

00:23:15.440 the money.

00:23:15.840 And, I mean, in the previous one they said, well, parents have just dropped their kids

00:23:18.640 off and they just basically leave them in this room.

00:23:20.180 Uh, and then they pick them up in the evening.

00:23:22.540 It's like, okay, so this has been going on for years, you know, back since 2014.

00:23:26.280 This is a congenital issue in this community.

00:23:29.200 They just, if there's access to money, they're going to get hold of it.

00:23:33.380 Uh, and John Kennedy, uh, accuses Democrats, another, uh, senator, has accused, uh, Democrats

00:23:40.500 of blocking investigations into the fraud.

00:23:43.880 I said, well, yeah, maybe they did because the Minnesota Attorney General came out and

00:23:46.880 said, well, hang on a second, guys.

00:23:47.780 We can't use incidents like this to score a political point.

00:23:51.660 We shouldn't politicize this.

00:23:53.720 And it's like, well, okay, I mean, it, it seems that it's expressly political.

00:23:58.880 But it is political to them and it is tribal to them.

00:24:01.880 I don't, it's only, it's only Democrats.

00:24:05.000 It's only Democrats with a particular community and it's only Democrats with a particular community

00:24:09.620 that they themselves have politicized.

00:24:12.200 Like Jacob Frey came out and said, well, you come for one of all, one of us, you come for

00:24:15.180 all of us.

00:24:15.660 It's like, okay, well, you're, you're turning that community into a political agent in your

00:24:20.640 current political climate.

00:24:22.380 And it's like, okay, well, we shouldn't politicize this.

00:24:24.740 It is political.

00:24:26.220 You brought in a bunch of people who are prepared to defraud you for billions of dollars and they

00:24:34.260 seem to be kind of shameless about it.

00:24:36.400 They don't seem to be ashamed of this at all.

00:24:39.140 And they're doing it to prop up their country, meaning that the money that they steal from 0.60

00:24:44.720 you is almost half of their own country's economy.

00:24:47.940 Like this is preposterous.

00:24:50.420 Right.

00:24:50.560 And the thing is, like I said, they don't even seem shameless.

00:24:53.360 So when Ilhan...

00:24:54.140 They say it out in the open.

00:24:55.620 When Ilhan Omar...

00:24:56.120 She's very explicit about it.

00:24:57.720 This is the funniest thing in the world.

00:24:59.140 We're going to watch this clip because it's the funniest thing in the world.

00:25:01.000 Because she's basically laughing in the faces of the people watching this when confronted

00:25:06.880 by this.

00:25:07.940 Of the 87 people charged, all but eight are of Somali descent.

00:25:12.180 And that has added to the spotlight being put specifically on your community.

00:25:19.020 Why do you think this fraud was allowed to get so widespread?

00:25:22.640 Well, I want to say, you know, this also has an impact on Somalis because we are also taxpayers

00:25:33.640 in Minnesota.

00:25:35.360 We also could have benefited from the program and the money that was stolen.

00:25:42.600 And so it's been really frustrating for people to not acknowledge the fact that we're, you

00:25:50.280 know, we're also, as Minnesotans, as taxpayers, really upset and angry about the fraud that

00:25:58.000 has occurred.

00:25:59.100 This is very much the Norm Macdonald meme.

00:26:04.580 Exactly.

00:26:05.500 That's exactly the Norm Macdonald meme.

00:26:08.120 Yeah.

00:26:08.820 Imagine if, you know, some Islamist terrorist blew up a nuclear device in New York City. 0.90

00:26:13.980 What would be the consequences for Islamophobia? 0.88

00:26:17.380 I mean, it is...

00:26:18.120 It's just...

00:26:19.080 It is hilarious.

00:26:20.280 It's been really frustrating because as taxpayers for $625, we only made however many out of

00:26:26.440 the millions that we defrauded out of the state.

00:26:28.900 Think about it this way.

00:26:29.540 They were getting...

00:26:30.540 They were paying $600 a year in taxes and they got $300 a month at least per child from

00:26:38.000 the kickbacks.

00:26:38.840 That's a great investment.

00:26:39.920 That's an amazing investment.

00:26:41.000 That's wonderful returns. 0.99

00:26:42.580 Like I said, they may not be academically gifted, but they're not stupid. 0.94

00:26:48.340 But you'll notice when she's saying that, you know, she... 0.97

00:26:51.220 There's this grin.

00:26:51.980 There's this grin on her face.

00:26:53.380 That she's trying to hide.

00:26:53.880 Yeah.

00:26:54.460 Like, here we go.

00:26:55.380 Yeah.

00:26:55.600 Like, oh, look.

00:26:56.440 Look, yeah.

00:26:57.040 We're taxpayers.

00:26:57.520 We got you.

00:26:58.360 Yeah.

00:26:58.600 It's like, do you think...

00:26:59.960 I think for a second, you think of yourselves as taxpayers.

00:27:03.000 Wasn't there somebody saying that her net worth has now climbed up to $30 million or something

00:27:07.220 like that?

00:27:07.580 Yeah, yeah.

00:27:07.740 It has.

00:27:08.240 It has.

00:27:08.960 She attributes it to her husband's businesses, though.

00:27:11.880 Yes.

00:27:12.720 Is he involved in daycares?

00:27:14.280 No, no.

00:27:15.580 It's like a vineyard and a few other things.

00:27:17.640 Okay.

00:27:18.600 But the point is, no one...

00:27:21.000 I mean, notice her framing as well.

00:27:23.120 Like, oh, well, the Somali community could have benefited from that money that they defrauded. 0.68

00:27:27.440 They did.

00:27:28.020 They absolutely did.

00:27:30.500 Like, what are you talking about?

00:27:31.980 Of course you did.

00:27:32.940 And you know you did.

00:27:34.000 And everyone can see straight through this.

00:27:37.420 It's...

00:27:37.860 It's amazing.

00:27:39.000 It's a shamelessness.

00:27:39.920 That's the point, isn't it? 0.98

00:27:41.100 It's so goddamn shameless that you just can't get over it. 0.98

00:27:45.080 You just can't get over it. 0.99

00:27:45.780 Anyway.

00:27:49.320 AHNC says,

00:27:50.320 Frey won the Minneapolis mayor race because the Somali opponent was from the wrong tribe.

00:27:54.160 The other tribes voted against them or didn't vote.

00:27:55.820 No Somali vote, no office. 0.99

00:27:56.920 That's not true.

00:27:57.440 I mean, Minneapolis is not that big.

00:27:59.560 The Somali community is not that big.

00:28:01.840 Right.

00:28:03.220 Although, doubtless, could have swung it in that case.

00:28:08.180 Sigil Stone, NBC used to run a segment on Nightly News called The Fleecing of America.

00:28:12.160 Gee, I wonder why that stopped.

00:28:13.060 One for One Paladin says,

00:28:15.520 I wouldn't even know...

00:28:16.860 I wouldn't not even know who to talk to about any kind of fraud scheme or how to get welfare for that matter.

00:28:22.780 Being a working man must be frowned upon by society one thing.

00:28:25.440 That's the thing, isn't it, right?

00:28:26.840 Like, I just can't imagine bringing up the idea of defrauding the British government for millions of pounds with one of my friends.

00:28:33.620 In this culture, if you're not involved in the taking of free money as quickly as you can... 0.93

00:28:40.220 You're a bad person. 1.00

00:28:40.840 You're the idiot here. 1.00

00:28:42.120 Why are you depriving your family of that money back in Somali? 1.00

00:28:44.860 They need that money.

00:28:45.880 Because your priority...

00:28:47.760 You see the state as an enemy and the pot of taxes as loot.

00:28:52.460 I don't even know if it's necessarily they see it as an enemy.

00:28:54.600 I think they see them as dupes. 1.00

00:28:56.820 I think they see them as just idiots. 1.00

00:29:00.020 Genuinely. 1.00

00:29:00.400 Depending on the country, but yes.

00:29:01.720 Sure, sure, sure.

00:29:02.160 But in the case of Somalis and Americans... 1.00

00:29:03.680 In the US, they see them as idiots. 1.00

00:29:04.820 Yeah, I don't think they hate the Americans necessarily. 1.00

00:29:06.960 I think they just think of them as stupid. 1.00

00:29:09.020 Yes. 1.00

00:29:09.240 It's like, oh, you're prepared to give us all this money?

00:29:10.640 Oh, yeah, we've definitely got a daycare full of autistic kids. 1.00

00:29:13.200 And we're definitely spending billions on feeding these people.

00:29:16.600 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, of course.

00:29:18.200 Yeah, no problem.

00:29:18.980 You don't worry about it.

00:29:20.660 Flavius says, I just want all third worlders gone from my country at this point. 1.00

00:29:24.080 I care less and less about the methods used.

00:29:26.040 Well, I mean, I'm sure this has really changed a lot of people's minds on this.

00:29:30.480 Anyway, let's go on.

00:29:32.240 Let me check that these are working before we start.

00:29:37.000 Yep.

00:29:40.160 Great.

00:29:40.640 There are two ways of approaching discourse.

00:29:44.220 In discourse, there are people who make claims.

00:29:47.460 One way is to say, to demand from them to prove their claims.

00:29:51.420 The other is to put forward claims without proving them and ask for people to disprove them.

00:29:58.140 Now, I'm of the former school.

00:30:00.660 Some people are of the latter, but the latter is based on a methodological fallacy.

00:30:04.660 I cannot disprove to you that Candace Owens may have a crush on Macron. 0.94

00:30:10.020 I can't disprove it to you, but that doesn't mean that it's false.

00:30:14.240 I like the way you front-loaded this massive drama segment with a bunch of philosophy there.

00:30:18.700 Yeah, it's absolutely philosophical because this is a joy for epistemologists if you focus on what is happening.

00:30:26.620 I bet it is.

00:30:27.220 And the audience that approaches this from my perspective just takes this with a pinch of salt and says,

00:30:33.360 Well, several influencers are making claims about what happens behind closed doors, putting forward hypotheses that are largely unverifiable and are trying to occasionally integrate empirical data within a broader narrative, always to confirm the hypothesis.

00:30:53.160 And I take that always with a pinch of salt and I demand them to give me conclusive proof.

00:31:00.260 Why should I believe them?

00:31:01.340 Yeah, you're not going to get any of that.

00:31:02.460 Yeah, but some other people think that just because you can't disprove something, it therefore must be true.

00:31:09.300 Yes, the teapot circling mercury.

00:31:11.380 Exactly.

00:31:11.980 Yeah.

00:31:12.400 Or yeah, whatever.

00:31:14.220 A Tram Russell's teapot.

00:31:15.000 Yeah, whatever.

00:31:15.680 It's methodologically speaking.

00:31:17.900 You don't ask for people to disprove something.

00:31:21.320 You can ask them to disprove it.

00:31:23.380 But the point is that who gives you good reasons to believe something?

00:31:27.200 Someone who gives you evidence for it and say, this is why you should believe it.

00:31:32.100 Or someone who says, well, this is a potential hypothesis.

00:31:36.340 Can you disprove it to me?

00:31:37.780 Okay, come on.

00:31:38.260 People want the gossip.

00:31:39.400 Right.

00:31:39.620 People want the gossip.

00:31:40.980 I want the gossip.

00:31:42.400 You will have the gossip.

00:31:44.040 But the best way of giving gossip is postponing the gossip.

00:31:48.760 Right?

00:31:49.200 If I just give you the gossip, you're going to listen to it and move on.

00:31:53.280 I'm sure we have a lot to say on the gossip.

00:31:54.780 I want to build anticipation.

00:31:56.140 Right.

00:31:56.360 So let me just say that there are some claims that Candace Owens has made that I don't know if she's joking or not.

00:32:02.140 Like occasionally she has referred to Elon Musk, Peter Cattillo, and Sam Altman as hybrids.

00:32:08.760 Hybrids of what?

00:32:10.080 I don't know.

00:32:10.640 But maybe she was just implying that, yeah, they may not be...

00:32:17.140 Wizard hybrids or robot hybrids?

00:32:18.900 Yeah, we can have Samson.

00:32:21.940 If you want to pull out the link, we can have the link.

00:32:24.880 But she has mentioned it.

00:32:26.260 But okay, I don't know if that's a joke or not.

00:32:28.360 But there are other things that she seems to not treat as jokes.

00:32:34.740 And this has to do with the infamous case of Bridget Macrons.

00:32:39.500 Now, I want to say my hunch is that Candace may secretly be in love with Emmanuel Macron.

00:32:47.600 Can you disprove it?

00:32:49.000 I don't need to disprove it.

00:32:50.340 Like...

00:32:50.800 I haven't given you reasons to believe in it.

00:32:52.660 But the whole point about Bridget Macron being a man, this was like, just be clear, I don't

00:32:57.200 dislike Candace Owens. 1.00

00:32:58.720 I don't have any personal agenda or anything.

00:33:02.340 This Bridget Macron as a man thing is so obviously false.

00:33:04.980 Because we've got pictures of Bridget Macron back when she was grooming Emmanuel Macron as

00:33:10.500 a child.

00:33:11.540 She's not a man.

00:33:12.880 She's a groomer. 1.00

00:33:13.960 Right.

00:33:14.220 Okay.

00:33:14.540 So now I'm going to give you the Candace Owens take on the matter.

00:33:19.940 You mentioned pictures of Bridget Macron from an age of, say, 40.

00:33:26.920 Yeah, yeah.

00:33:27.300 When Macron was like 15 or something.

00:33:28.880 She goes before about 30 as a milestone.

00:33:32.240 Oh, okay.

00:33:32.840 Right.

00:33:33.080 So here we have Candace Owens saying that that is on March 14, 2024.

00:33:41.760 Okay.

00:33:42.020 So she is really interested in that story.

00:33:45.140 And she is talking about a theory.

00:33:50.640 Evidence which you've received.

00:33:52.280 That she has mentioned that she has been in touch with several French journalists.

00:33:56.700 One is, I think, called Xavier Pussard.

00:33:59.160 And he's talking about a face recognition technology scam that suggests that Bridget

00:34:07.640 Macron isn't a woman. 0.97

00:34:09.740 She's just really old.

00:34:11.000 And this is the theory that she puts forward that there are no pictures of Bridget

00:34:14.820 Macron before 30.

00:34:18.060 That's probably because the technology of cameras hadn't been invented then.

00:34:23.580 It's like saying there are no pictures of Julius Caesar.

00:34:25.760 Well, no, there wouldn't be.

00:34:26.180 Maybe she's not that old. 0.71

00:34:27.800 She's 70 something.

00:34:29.700 She's really old. 0.56

00:34:30.440 Let me just check.

00:34:31.000 She's really old. 0.56

00:34:32.980 Anyway, so the theory is, the hypothesis is that she hasn't, there aren't pictures of

00:34:41.220 her before 30.

00:34:42.000 She's 72.

00:34:43.220 Right.

00:34:43.580 42 years ago then.

00:34:44.840 Yeah, there were cameras.

00:34:45.960 Yeah, I know there were cameras, but like not everyone had a camera on their phone, right?

00:34:49.240 Like there were very few pictures of me when I was young just because my family weren't

00:34:52.000 wealthy enough to buy cameras.

00:34:54.600 I don't know.

00:34:55.660 I don't know.

00:34:56.040 But can you, can you prove that this was the intention?

00:34:58.340 Can you prove that you weren't a woman and that you transitioned?

00:35:00.420 I can't actually.

00:35:01.260 That's true.

00:35:01.560 Anyway, so that's the theory.

00:35:02.340 That's the theory that Michelle, Brigitte Macron, sorry, I got the theories mixed.

00:35:10.020 You got your transgenders mixed. 1.00

00:35:11.060 You were going to say Michelle Obama then, weren't you?

00:35:12.580 Yeah, it's about, I'm talking about theories about who, the gender, the sexes of politicians.

00:35:19.140 Isn't it weird?

00:35:19.700 She didn't go after Michelle Obama.

00:35:21.580 She went after Brigitte Macron, not Michelle Obama.

00:35:23.200 That's weird.

00:35:23.620 Anyway, because I can't.

00:35:24.260 The theory is that, Candace's theory is that Brigitte Macron is actually Jean-Michel

00:35:30.040 Trogneau and transitioned at around 30.

00:35:33.900 Okay.

00:35:34.240 And then 10 years afterwards started grooming Macron.

00:35:37.600 How did she get a daughter? 1.00

00:35:39.760 She's got a daughter? 1.00

00:35:40.340 I think it's a daughter she's got.

00:35:41.160 Yeah.

00:35:41.380 I mean, it's, it's, it's a big rabbit hole, but whatever, I think, anyway, so what happens

00:35:49.280 here, the Macron's are saying, stop it, and they sued her, and Candace dabbles down, and 0.95

00:35:56.280 she says, I'm fighting on behalf of the entire world.

00:36:00.660 You were born a man, and you'll die a man, see you in court. 0.99

00:36:04.500 Well, the, the Macron's are suing her in, I think it was Delaware court.

00:36:11.380 But it gets a bit more, more weird than that.

00:36:14.700 Candace says here that someone really high in the White House hierarchy called her to

00:36:21.820 stop talking about Macron. 0.99

00:36:23.760 They're going to kill her. 0.96

00:36:24.520 Because Macron said, no, it's not that they're going to kill her, because Macron said that 0.98

00:36:28.840 unless Candace stops talking about his wife, he isn't going, he isn't going to push for

00:36:37.400 negotiations between Ukraine and Russia.

00:36:39.420 So he is going to completely forget all the rivalry between Russia and France.

00:36:46.240 This is some random American podcast.

00:36:47.420 Yeah, he's going to put all that aside.

00:36:50.040 He isn't going to focus on how the geopolitical rivalry between Russia and France harms France

00:36:57.440 in, on occasion, because he is going to, because Candace Owens is talking about it.

00:37:03.680 Just to be clear, Bridget Macron got married in 1974.

00:37:06.720 I told you, she's as old as bloody time itself. 0.98

00:37:09.840 To a banker called André-Louise Alizé, and she had three kids with him.

00:37:14.860 Yeah, but the point is that if you go down the road, the latter road I said, that the burden

00:37:22.440 of proof is allegedly on the shoulders of the person who is called to disprove a hypothesis.

00:37:28.240 Sure, but this disprovement, because she was in her early 20s.

00:37:31.140 Yeah, but methodologically speaking, this is because this is all just, this is all epistemology

00:37:35.460 101, you can always integrate new pieces of data in order to fit a particular theory.

00:37:42.520 You could say the banker was in it, it's a, all of it was forgery, all the documents were

00:37:48.820 forged.

00:37:49.700 Where did the three children come from?

00:37:51.640 Somewhere.

00:37:52.240 They have to come from somewhere. 0.99

00:37:53.400 One of the children was born when she was 32.

00:37:56.280 Yeah.

00:37:57.320 So after transition, right?

00:37:59.140 Yeah.

00:37:59.780 So how did that happen?

00:38:01.980 No idea, but the hypothesis would be.

00:38:06.160 These are not her actual children.

00:38:09.420 Oh, I mean, maybe.

00:38:10.780 But where did they come from?

00:38:11.700 That's how it goes.

00:38:12.900 Well, that's again, that's, and that's where, you know, there's the burden of proof.

00:38:17.160 To think of how prescient they were that they sort of planted these three children way back

00:38:22.440 when, knowing that Macron was going to become president of France, and that this evidence

00:38:26.960 would be required one day.

00:38:28.740 I mean, Macron.

00:38:29.320 That's the, that's the work of intelligence.

00:38:30.840 So the, so the Macrons are suing Candace and Alex Jones is saying Candace Owens says that

00:38:35.920 the Macron defamation suit against her was designed to be a distraction from French journalist

00:38:41.280 that is Xavier.

00:38:42.140 So just, Macron is younger than two of her children.

00:38:45.840 So, I know, yeah, I know, right?

00:38:48.240 But the point is, like, he's like three or four years younger than like a middle child.

00:38:52.620 So they must have been like, right.

00:38:54.220 He has a way with women. 0.95

00:38:55.040 So it's not even that.

00:38:56.200 Right.

00:38:56.600 This is the long game we're playing.

00:38:58.200 We're going to plant the seeds now, and then we'll find some kid who 15 years later she

00:39:04.360 can groom, and then we can make him the president. 0.51

00:39:07.380 Isn't it disgusting enough as it is?

00:39:09.140 Don't we need, do we need to make her trance? 0.89

00:39:12.760 Like, was this strictly necessary?

00:39:15.440 What does this disprove?

00:39:16.880 I mean, what's it, how's it, how's it got, you know, anyway.

00:39:19.060 Candice agreed with, no, it's the idea that almost everyone is politics, is a pedophile,

00:39:27.280 and because they're pedophiles, they can be blackmailed.

00:39:30.760 That's the hypothesis she's pushing forward.

00:39:33.520 I mean, essentially, that's where it looks like it's going.

00:39:36.680 Macron's blackmailed to do what, lose?

00:39:38.820 No, to...

00:39:39.560 He's about as popular as Starmer.

00:39:41.380 It's the idea of controlling politicians. 0.70

00:39:44.580 That's the hypothesis.

00:39:46.100 Right.

00:39:46.580 Candice agreed with Alex Jones' warning that she should expect the Delaware case against her

00:39:51.560 to be completely rigged, like the cases against Trump and himself.

00:39:55.620 So that's...

00:39:55.880 What if they DNA test Macron's wife, Bridget, and she... 0.99

00:40:01.020 DNA test returns...

00:40:02.080 Yeah, but do you trust the DNA?

00:40:03.380 Well, that's the thing, is that rigged?

00:40:04.240 Do you trust the DNA tests?

00:40:05.860 Well, I mean, I've...

00:40:07.920 Get your own expert to do it.

00:40:09.940 Yeah.

00:40:10.100 But do you trust your own expert, or can they be compromised?

00:40:13.400 You can play that endlessly.

00:40:14.680 That's my point.

00:40:15.400 You can play that endlessly.

00:40:16.920 So, of course, I agree with you.

00:40:18.720 Of course, I agree with you.

00:40:19.620 The point is, though, you could play this game endlessly.

00:40:22.180 It's as old as time.

00:40:23.700 Right.

00:40:23.980 So, here...

00:40:25.880 What we have here, Evan Kilgore saying,

00:40:29.040 Candice Owen says that Charlie Kirk came to her in a dream and revealed to her that he was betrayed.

00:40:33.920 She said it was clear who betrayed Charlie,

00:40:36.180 but that she believes it will be exposed and have international consequences.

00:40:39.860 So, the other day, I was browsing through my WhatsApp, and I noticed my own profile picture.

00:40:44.440 I was like, what is that?

00:40:45.340 And it's the picture of that Watchmen guy where he's like, it came to me in a dream.

00:40:48.920 Yeah.

00:40:49.120 And I'm like, God, I've been messaging politicians with that profile picture.

00:40:52.420 Does it work?

00:40:54.460 Is it working?

00:40:55.140 Well, I mean, it's got me this far, hasn't it?

00:40:58.200 Yeah.

00:40:58.600 So, I mean, I'm as much of a believer as of it came to me in a dream as anyone.

00:41:04.680 But maybe.

00:41:05.600 I wouldn't say it publicly.

00:41:09.680 Okay.

00:41:10.260 So, here is the other bit.

00:41:11.960 And these stories are going to connect in the near future because it's all connected.

00:41:18.380 Hang on, hang on.

00:41:18.940 So, I feel that we're missing something here.

00:41:20.960 I was watching Tim Pool's podcast with Milo on it the other day.

00:41:23.980 And he was pointing out, look, this is basically like a female true crime documentary. 1.00

00:41:28.600 Here, where it's like, you know, this is the sort of thing that.

00:41:31.160 My wife listens to these true crime things all the time.

00:41:33.200 And you'll get things like, oh, and this woman did something crazy because she dreamt it or something like that. 0.82

00:41:37.980 And it's like, right.

00:41:38.920 So, actually, what we're not looking at here is politics.

00:41:42.160 What we're looking at here is women living through some sort of IRL true crime documentary. 0.99

00:41:47.540 I think we may be looking towards politics because there are real dangers with it.

00:41:53.900 I'm not saying it won't have a political event.

00:41:56.240 But we'll mention them towards the end of the story.

00:41:57.780 What I'm thinking, though, is that we are thinking in logical masculine terms.

00:42:01.240 As in, cause and effect has a particular necessary relationship, right?

00:42:06.640 But that's not really what she's selling here.

00:42:09.180 It's like, no, Charlie Kirk came to me in a dream.

00:42:11.360 And I believe it will be exposed and there'll be international consequences.

00:42:14.980 She's creating a fantasy for women who feel hurt by what has happened, right?

00:42:20.740 Maybe.

00:42:20.980 But it isn't just for women.

00:42:23.020 It's also addressed to some men.

00:42:25.060 I'm not saying it's just women. 0.99

00:42:26.400 I'm saying this is the sort of thing that women self-select for. 1.00

00:42:29.160 This is the format that women like. 1.00

00:42:31.240 I don't know.

00:42:32.780 I do.

00:42:33.320 I guarantee you that's correct.

00:42:35.380 Because I bet her audience is almost entirely with it.

00:42:38.180 So here is where another controversy has started with respect to Candace Owens' relation to TPUSA,

00:42:44.640 which is the organization of Charlie Kirk, especially after his death.

00:42:50.020 So there is an endless flow of information about this online.

00:42:56.560 You can see people taking clips of her, criticizing her or being in favor of her.

00:43:03.440 It's just endless.

00:43:05.540 So I'm going to try and be very, very distant with it.

00:43:10.900 And I'm just going to tell you what something, some people are legend, what happens.

00:43:15.680 And I want to show her things that she does say.

00:43:18.800 So it looks like in some cases, she does implicate.

00:43:23.480 She does seem to be saying that Charlie Kirk was murdered by.

00:43:28.480 She says it reeks of an inside job.

00:43:29.900 It was clearer and clearer that Turning Point USA was involved.

00:43:32.080 I mean, that's a pretty strong statement.

00:43:34.240 Yeah, it's a pretty strong statement.

00:43:36.420 I don't think that adequate evidence has been given.

00:43:41.380 But that's the thing that the more.

00:43:43.180 Involved from the beginning or in some kind of cover up or what it could be.

00:43:47.120 Depending on the video, you'll see her saying different things.

00:43:51.300 But she frequently mentions some cover up.

00:43:57.300 Then it's also the issue of how much is she implicating Erica Kirk.

00:44:02.800 In some cases, it looks like the way she was expressing implicated Erica Kirk.

00:44:07.720 In some other cases, I will say there has been, because I want to be fair.

00:44:12.160 So at some point, she did retract it.

00:44:15.640 Oh, right.

00:44:16.100 And she did try to take distance from it.

00:44:18.060 Say that she isn't exactly talking about Erica Kirk.

00:44:21.880 Yeah.

00:44:22.600 So I want to be fair to her.

00:44:24.140 And also, she says that she is trying to put forward the narrative according to which the murder was something that was incredibly big, massive and international.

00:44:37.900 And the military was involved.

00:44:39.620 Let us let us listen to what she says.

00:44:41.180 The shooter or the alleged shooter.

00:44:43.180 You think they're a patsy?

00:44:44.720 Of course, they're a patsy.

00:44:45.740 I mean, come on. 1.00

00:44:46.220 It's just so dumb. 0.99

00:44:47.180 It's so he wasn't even on campus that day. 0.99

00:44:48.600 They can't show us one clear image.

00:44:50.620 Not even one.

00:44:51.580 All of these cameras.

00:44:52.840 Turning Point has everything in 4K.

00:44:55.100 So shouldn't you have caught the shooter on the roof in 4K?

00:44:57.640 Like, you had cameras everywhere that day.

00:44:59.900 Were you filming the roof?

00:45:00.300 Every inch of that campus is covered.

00:45:01.040 So you think that was someone else that was running across?

00:45:02.720 Absolutely.

00:45:03.040 It wasn't Tyler?

00:45:03.700 Absolutely.

00:45:04.060 Someone that just sprinted.

00:45:05.080 I don't even know if there was a person that sprinted that day because everyone's forgetting.

00:45:10.280 There was also a news report that came out a week before that somebody was on the roof.

00:45:16.080 And a professor came out and waved the person.

00:45:18.960 Now, they may have been dropping off a gun, dropping off a screwdriver.

00:45:21.740 I don't know.

00:45:22.540 Because there is one video, like, one of the students had panned out where he was running.

00:45:25.440 But that person who took that video that I had to track down?

00:45:27.560 Okay.

00:45:28.000 Military.

00:45:29.080 Really?

00:45:30.360 Everybody's military in the story.

00:45:31.640 Really?

00:45:31.920 So the person that captured that, because I remember when it first broke.

00:45:34.540 So she is putting forward a hypothesis that is a way more massive and wide-reaching.

00:45:42.960 And she hasn't proven it yet.

00:45:45.920 No.

00:45:47.060 Right.

00:45:47.480 So she has made another claim, the Egyptian jet theory.

00:45:52.160 Do you know what that is?

00:45:53.040 No.

00:45:53.660 What?

00:45:53.800 Right.

00:45:54.060 So people keep sharing a spreadsheet.

00:45:56.600 She is talking about some Egyptian planes and Erika Kirk.

00:46:02.420 And let me just...

00:46:03.280 Why would Egypt err? 0.93

00:46:04.960 Or what?

00:46:05.340 She has repeatedly discussed what she called the Egyptian plane story.

00:46:09.080 She alleges that flight tracking data shows two Egyptian aircraft repeatedly appearing near places visited by Erika Kirk.

00:46:16.580 She claimed one plane's transponder was active near Provo Airport around the time of the shooting, turning on again shortly after the incident.

00:46:25.200 She initially linked the planes to Charlie Kirk, but later stated she believes they were tracking his wife, Erika Kirk.

00:46:31.140 And she claimed the same plane crossed paths with Erika Kirk's travel around about 70 times over a few years, describing the probability as mind-blowing.

00:46:39.740 And she has also mentioned some of the bad cars.

00:46:42.420 And she started talking about Egyptian cars, license plates of Egyptians on the day of the assassination.

00:46:50.680 I mean, personally, I'm just thinking, right, a lot of immigrants.

00:46:53.300 But I mean, if she was like, yeah, it was Israel, at least I'd understand the conspiracy, right? 0.95

00:46:59.300 At least I'd be able to connect it to...

00:47:01.320 But what possible reason would Egypt have to assassinate Charlie Kirk?

00:47:04.540 The point is, we are throwing something out there, and let's see how it's all connected.

00:47:12.700 Because it is all connected, and we don't have to prove it to the degree that others don't disprove it.

00:47:18.900 I like it's quote-unquote Egyptians as well.

00:47:21.520 Yeah.

00:47:21.900 And why are they all driving Toyotas?

00:47:23.540 Right.

00:47:23.980 Yeah.

00:47:24.540 And here there's a very weird statement back from November 24.

00:47:29.300 She says, when everything is said and done, and the public learns that Macron allegedly moved $1.5 million for my assassination, how will the world respond?

00:47:41.080 So that's weirdly phrased, but let's say that it was a typo.

00:47:45.780 Notice how she's put herself at the center of a grand worldwide conspiracy that the entire world should respond to.

00:47:52.500 Like this, again, I genuinely feel that this is some sort of woman's true crime drama playing out. 0.98

00:47:57.140 So she says, then, the next day, November 25, our show will be off air this week.

00:48:04.380 As an update, both the White House and our counterterrorism agencies have confirmed the receipt of what I reported publicly.

00:48:10.880 Emmanuel Macron attempted to organize my assassination.

00:48:13.660 What's the evidence?

00:48:14.280 A source close to the first couple.

00:48:17.040 It's...

00:48:17.440 Trust me, bro.

00:48:19.260 Yeah.

00:48:19.840 Also, I will again state that the French Legionnaires were involved in Charlie Kirk's assassination, but they did not act alone.

00:48:26.120 For all of you who doubted my claims, you can now look to the president of the United States and our intelligence communities to issue a statement to confirm whether I am telling the truth.

00:48:37.420 So...

00:48:37.740 Bro, come on.

00:48:39.100 Come on.

00:48:39.360 It's like the Pink Panther.

00:48:40.700 You remember towards the end where it's Dreyfus who is putting all the assassins go there.

00:48:46.160 I just love that she's the center point.

00:48:48.220 Yeah.

00:48:48.620 And here she is keeping a low profile, despite being hunted by assassins.

00:48:54.620 She's on the party of, I think, Tucker Carlson.

00:49:00.760 It's a high profile party, let's say.

00:49:03.640 But she received more information.

00:49:04.920 She received more information.

00:49:06.240 The next week that she can say with full confidence that Charlie Kirk was betrayed by the leadership of TPUSA now.

00:49:14.400 Ah, the most likely people to want him dead.

00:49:16.860 Yeah, that's... 0.92

00:49:18.180 You were lied to and leadership knew.

00:49:21.240 I'm...

00:49:21.720 So again, you see the phrase with respect to who is implicated in leadership is completely...

00:49:27.060 Why would Turning Point USA want Charlie Kirk dead?

00:49:30.540 Anyway, so we have now...

00:49:32.300 He's the single biggest asset.

00:49:33.920 Exactly.

00:49:34.920 He's the one making them...

00:49:36.400 He's the...

00:49:38.400 He was a ridiculously compelling speaker.

00:49:42.240 Yeah.

00:49:43.220 Why would they...

00:49:44.360 That's my point, though.

00:49:45.880 The same reasons Egypt do, I guess. 0.99

00:49:47.760 I don't know.

00:49:48.360 Well, the Egyptians, man. 0.99

00:49:49.700 Let me explain to you the geopolitics of Egypt.

00:49:51.780 Why would Egypt be involved in this? 0.82

00:49:53.460 Why would France be involved in this?

00:49:55.060 No idea.

00:49:55.900 She's tied in the French legionaries who killed Macron now. 0.86

00:49:59.320 But you're the one who's got a problem with France.

00:50:01.920 What did Charlie Kirk ever say about France?

00:50:04.340 Because...

00:50:04.980 Anyway, sorry.

00:50:06.640 Carry on.

00:50:06.960 No.

00:50:07.220 What I want to say is that there are several ways of viewing this.

00:50:10.280 And here I will say...

00:50:11.420 I will put forward a hypothesis.

00:50:13.620 And don't take that with a pinch of salt.

00:50:15.820 I think that to a very large extent, when people engage upon that sort of discourse,

00:50:21.520 their main agenda is to sow doubt.

00:50:25.760 No kidding.

00:50:26.160 You mentioned before about the DNA results.

00:50:28.500 So if you constantly doubt anyone who will put forward a sort of official view, you can

00:50:38.020 endlessly play the conspiracy game.

00:50:40.180 Yeah.

00:50:40.640 I just want to say...

00:50:41.740 So the point is maybe to sow doubt to any kind of state.

00:50:45.940 And lead us to the place where you mentioned before with the Somali segment.

00:50:50.040 Look at the state where it's always the case that every official voice is treated as an enemy.

00:50:57.240 Right.

00:50:58.460 I think Joseph has sent a rumble right in.

00:51:00.180 I think he might have it.

00:51:01.360 The only way to save the world is to give Candace Owens money. 1.00

00:51:04.820 More so attention, I think, is the way to save the world.

00:51:08.040 And now I'm going to...

00:51:09.060 Sorry, Frost, do you want to mention something?

00:51:10.700 No, no.

00:51:11.460 And here I'm going to mention Tim Pool and something.

00:51:13.900 Give it up?

00:51:14.880 Yeah.

00:51:15.480 I just don't get it.

00:51:17.680 Tim Pool says here that he publicly criticized Candace Owens.

00:51:22.340 I will say this, that there are many people who have criticized her before, and frequently

00:51:27.840 they are not talked about or mentioned.

00:51:31.580 But it's a good idea to see people who were criticizing her before.

00:51:35.980 But it's also a good thing to see conservatives standing up for common sense in some respects.

00:51:42.920 Here he says that Candace Owens didn't like Charlie Kirk.

00:51:47.200 I don't know about it, but he really goes for it.

00:51:50.980 And what he says here is that she's a danger for the 2026 midterms.

00:51:58.460 Because if...

00:52:00.980 Because there are...

00:52:02.200 Let's be honest.

00:52:03.380 She's damaging the right by making us look...

00:52:05.140 Yeah.

00:52:05.420 And there are several people who are constantly attacking the Republican Party.

00:52:10.320 Yeah.

00:52:10.520 And there is a massive contradiction, which I think that is obvious, is on the one hand,

00:52:18.020 in these spaces, you hear the view that if the left wins, the left will wage total war

00:52:24.900 against the right, which means that they are going to win in a Schmittian, friend versus

00:52:31.060 enemy way, the right, and not allow the right to recover from it.

00:52:37.860 That's claim number one.

00:52:39.220 And claim number two is, well, it's okay to lose the midterms.

00:52:43.820 It's okay to lose 2028 if it is the case that whether Trump or Vance or whoever is going

00:52:51.840 to be the next presidential candidate isn't putting forward the agenda that that segment

00:52:59.620 of the audience wants.

00:53:01.080 So the point is, and I will say this again, I don't think that they represent the majority

00:53:05.360 of Republican voters, but one thing that they could represent is a sizable minority that

00:53:12.760 convinces Republicans to not vote in the midterms, and by implication, losing to the Democrat candidates.

00:53:21.820 Okay, and on one final note, apparently Candace Owens doesn't believe in dinosaurs either. 0.99

00:53:27.480 Apparently they are, quote, fake and gay. 0.99

00:53:29.580 Yeah. 0.99

00:53:30.180 Back in January.

00:53:31.520 Maybe, yeah.

00:53:32.180 But on that note, on that controversial bombshell, let's move on.

00:53:38.120 Yeah.

00:53:38.460 Slightly shell-shocked here, but let's move on. 0.96

00:53:46.260 The Labour Party really wants to kill your grandparents, and they're not hiding it in 0.99

00:53:50.980 any way. 0.98

00:53:51.440 The reason for this segment is that Britain is having a parliamentary debate still over

00:53:58.520 the assisted suicide, assisted dying bill that was passed in the House of Commons and is now

00:54:04.980 going through the House of Lords.

00:54:07.080 Now, this was presented as a private member's bill.

00:54:10.580 So it was presented as something that was outside of the agenda of the governing party,

00:54:18.160 the Labour Party. In the British system, you get a lottery to decide which MPs can bring

00:54:25.780 in their own bills to submit for consideration in the House of Commons, and somehow a lady 0.99

00:54:32.620 by the name of Kim Leadbeater won that lottery. She is the right level of nobody and somebody.

00:54:42.280 She's a backbencher, so not a frontbench politician, meaning that she's not in the cabinet, but she 0.98

00:54:47.460 is quite famous because she's the sister of Jo Cox, who was an MP assassinated by a right

00:54:53.260 winger because of her role in helping bring in illegal migrants, refugees, asylum seekers

00:55:00.240 into Britain, and she was a Remainer.

00:55:03.720 So she was assassinated. Obviously, we oppose political violence.

00:55:07.740 But Kim became the sort of right person to submit a private member's bill. Throughout the parliamentary

00:55:18.180 debate, the Labour Party said that it was not taking a side on the question of assisted dying

00:55:26.180 or assisted suicide. Rather, the Labour Party left each of its members to decide on their own

00:55:33.800 whether or not they would support this legislation. But then it turns out that actually they had planned

00:55:40.600 to do this from the outset. Oh, really?

00:55:44.160 That they had been planning to introduce assisted suicide from before the election,

00:55:48.240 and they figured out that the best way to do it was through a private member's bill.

00:55:54.640 So they didn't want to put it on their manifesto and say that they wanted to kill Granny.

00:55:59.260 Instead, they left it to others to pretend to be presenting a private member's bill

00:56:05.880 when the reality was that as a matter of fact, they had senior civil servants write the bill for them

00:56:13.860 and present it to Parliament. They had discussed it in their own internal documents while they were

00:56:20.000 in opposition and decided that they couldn't put it on the manifesto.

00:56:24.860 It has to be done in another way that would allow the government heavy influence over the debate.

00:56:34.900 And so when the bill moved to the Lords, they started trying to create a constitutional crisis

00:56:41.100 because enough people in the House of Lords opposed the bill

00:56:44.820 and submitted around a thousand amendments to the bill to try to tighten it

00:56:50.440 and to try to say this should be made into something much better if it's going to pass.

00:56:56.560 And the Labour Party in the House of Lords has been dead set against any amendments.

00:57:03.600 They want to pass the most lax bill ever while pretending that it has the most safeguards,

00:57:09.700 and we will discuss that in a second.

00:57:11.320 But they lie like they breathe. They really have no conscience here.

00:57:19.000 So it turns out that this is actually a government bill.

00:57:23.640 And when this was revealed, there was another intervention.

00:57:27.920 This is a quick thing. Surely a private member's bill from an MP from the ruling government

00:57:32.500 is a bit of a fraud on the face of it.

00:57:36.060 Yes.

00:57:36.380 Why would you need a private member's bill if your party was in government?

00:57:40.360 Well, you could still submit private member's bill even if your party was in government.

00:57:45.540 So some people had something about trophy hunting and whatnot that they wanted to.

00:57:49.880 Like it gives MPs a chance to submit bills for their own causes.

00:57:54.540 Sure.

00:57:55.280 That's intended to be part of the process.

00:57:57.300 But here they've pretty much abused the process.

00:57:59.580 Yes. That's what I'm trying to emphasize.

00:58:01.640 It's not like Keir Starmer is opposed to this.

00:58:04.240 Exactly.

00:58:04.800 This is completely on his agenda.

00:58:06.180 Exactly.

00:58:06.980 For economic reasons probably.

00:58:08.140 But he lied about it being on his agenda.

00:58:09.880 Yeah.

00:58:10.580 That's the key point.

00:58:12.080 So did he say in the Labour Manifesto he was against and he's...

00:58:15.520 No.

00:58:15.820 In the Labour Manifesto they kept silent on it.

00:58:17.860 Okay.

00:58:18.440 But they went ahead and did it anyway just like they did with the tax rises, just like

00:58:23.040 they did with a bunch of things that weren't on the manifesto.

00:58:26.320 And then they decided to sneak them in through all kinds of procedural tricks anyway.

00:58:31.900 And that's what was done here.

00:58:33.160 And here we see a bunch of lords.

00:58:37.280 Now let me see if they have anything in common.

00:58:40.960 Head of the Home Civil Service.

00:58:43.300 Lord Turnbull, Head of the Home Civil Service.

00:58:46.520 Lord Butler...

00:58:46.960 It's the deep state.

00:58:47.980 Head of the Home Civil Service.

00:58:49.820 Lord MacDonald, Permanent Undersecretary and Head of the Diplomatic Service.

00:58:54.900 And on and on and on.

00:58:56.540 So it's the deep state is what wants this.

00:58:58.400 So it's pretty much the establishment, the deep state, people who have been involved in

00:59:02.640 the government of Britain as unelected officials.

00:59:07.840 They've all intervened to say that the House of Lords must respect the primacy of the House

00:59:14.560 of Commons, that it isn't optional, and it's the foundation of parliamentary legitimacy,

00:59:20.800 which leaves something...

00:59:22.420 Oh yeah, because people feel Parliament is just so damn legitimate these days.

00:59:25.340 Well, that's one part of the problem.

00:59:27.640 But the other part of the problem is, why is there a House of Lords if it doesn't have

00:59:31.980 a role to play and must simply nod at whatever the House of Commons says?

00:59:35.660 How does the House of Lords support the legitimacy of the House of Commons anyway?

00:59:42.260 These are two separate moral distinctions.

00:59:45.040 One is elected, one is unelected.

00:59:46.440 Exactly.

00:59:47.200 Completely different institutions.

00:59:48.500 How can the Lords lend their legitimacy to the Commons?

00:59:51.760 Merely by nodding silently and agreeing to whatever the government wants to do.

00:59:55.700 I guess, yeah.

00:59:56.460 And this is really spectacular that the bill gets written by somebody from the civil service,

01:00:05.740 specifically Elizabeth Gardner.

01:00:08.620 She hadn't do any drafting, and then somebody who I used to work with contacted me to see

01:00:14.060 whether I would produce this bill.

01:00:16.360 Yeah.

01:00:16.500 So, she's a First Parliamentary Council, again, part of the establishment, essentially.

01:00:24.560 Yeah.

01:00:24.900 And when Kim Ledbetter won...

01:00:28.500 It's Dame Elizabeth Ann Finlay Gardner.

01:00:30.760 Right.

01:00:31.400 Yeah.

01:00:31.600 So, when Kim Ledbetter won the right to submit a private member's bill, she had no idea what 1.00

01:00:39.240 to do with it, or she was a patsy from the start. 0.94

01:00:41.520 Who knows?

01:00:42.060 But then senior members of the establishment stepped in and wrote her bill for her in line

01:00:52.000 with what Labour was planning on doing while they were still in opposition, having omitted

01:00:57.120 that they intended to do that from their manifesto.

01:00:59.240 Now, on the constitutionality question, the left has been sort of going a bit on a trip.

01:01:09.680 Unelected lords are blocking assisted dying.

01:01:12.560 This is a democratic outrage, Sir Simon Jenkins of the Guardian.

01:01:18.100 If ever a British institution needed assisted dying, it is the House of Lords.

01:01:24.140 So, the opening line here...

01:01:25.140 I mean, they're all going to qualify for it, so...

01:01:28.640 The opening line here is that if you don't give us what we want, we will kill the House 0.97

01:01:34.540 of Lords.

01:01:35.020 We will mutilate the constitutional settlement of this country.

01:01:38.300 Exactly.

01:01:39.000 Yes.

01:01:39.400 Exactly.

01:01:40.860 Further than we already have.

01:01:43.200 Escalatory, if you ask me, and a little bit unnecessary, but this is very much what they're

01:01:48.020 saying, that they are willing to gut the constitution of this country, the unwritten constitution

01:01:52.120 of this country, in order to make sure that your doctor can ask your grandmother whether

01:01:58.760 or not she'd like to commit suicide.

01:02:00.980 That's the purpose behind it.

01:02:02.520 Yeah.

01:02:02.880 And this seems like a very strange hill to die on, but it is part of a broader Labour policy

01:02:11.220 that at pretty much every step wants to get rid of the elderly and of the various constitutional 1.00

01:02:18.800 settlements that have defined the country.

01:02:20.440 Yes.

01:02:22.580 So, on the constitutionality, I mean, their entire argument really rests on two claims.

01:02:29.460 One, the House of Commons said that it should pass, but that is why there is a House of Lords

01:02:35.540 to sort of decide whether or not the House of Commons gets its way, and in the settlement

01:02:41.700 that is sort of established in Britain, on a private member's bill, they, the House

01:02:49.480 of Lords are allowed to decide whether or not they want to actually approve a private member's

01:02:55.800 bill.

01:02:56.260 And so they looked at the constitutionality of it, and, you know...

01:03:01.200 I mean, this isn't coming from the government.

01:03:03.220 No.

01:03:03.500 So, you can hardly say that this is a democratic mandate.

01:03:07.300 Exactly.

01:03:07.860 So...

01:03:08.160 This wasn't in the manifesto, and the government itself only got a third of the votes of the

01:03:11.920 entire actual votes cast anyway, and a fifth of the actual potential electorate.

01:03:17.180 Exactly.

01:03:17.740 So, don't talk to me about democratic legitimacy.

01:03:21.140 But it's our democracy.

01:03:22.900 We must protect our democracy, you see.

01:03:27.220 And the House of Lords rebuttal to this is actually pretty strong.

01:03:31.520 Oh, yeah.

01:03:31.820 So, the Lords retains the formal power to reject a bill at second or third reading and

01:03:38.120 to insist on amendments during ping pong, which is the consideration of amendments by

01:03:42.600 the two houses, even if this risks being a bill being lost.

01:03:47.560 And the only exception to this is to policy that is actually in the manifesto of the winning

01:03:53.100 party.

01:03:53.540 So, for pretty much everything else, if it's not in the manifesto, the House of Lords can

01:03:58.420 actually block it.

01:03:59.340 And block it.

01:04:00.160 And it is within their right to do so.

01:04:01.880 Yeah.

01:04:03.040 And instead of accepting this, and accepting that, okay, if it's a government bill, the

01:04:09.720 House of Lords has to back down.

01:04:11.280 Sure.

01:04:12.380 They are completely insisting that, no, this time, the popularity of it dictates that it

01:04:18.180 must be accepted.

01:04:20.120 That's really weird, though.

01:04:20.980 Why wouldn't they just put it forth as a government bill, then?

01:04:24.480 Because they don't want to be associated with it.

01:04:28.440 It's such a disgusting change. 0.99

01:04:29.980 Keir Starmer wants to kill your grain. 0.99

01:04:31.780 Exactly. 0.99

01:04:32.800 It's such a disgusting change to the NHS.

01:04:34.940 Surely Keir Starmer's just given up on popularity at this point.

01:04:38.280 He was on...

01:04:38.640 Well, I saw a poll at 11% approval the other day.

01:04:41.160 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:04:41.940 Like, come on.

01:04:42.480 He's obviously given up on popularity.

01:04:44.100 He understands this will be the last Labour government that will ever be.

01:04:47.600 Just ram it through, Keir.

01:04:48.700 Just get it done.

01:04:50.100 Well...

01:04:50.620 You need to save the NHS.

01:04:52.200 Think of the money that Granny is costing. 0.84

01:04:53.820 And that's really what it's all about.

01:04:56.000 That's really what it's all about.

01:04:57.240 And changing the demographics of the country.

01:04:59.500 Not just that, though.

01:05:00.380 This is ideological as well, from the Liberal position.

01:05:03.040 The idea to have your death forced upon you without your consent.

01:05:06.420 This is something that I wanted to get into a little bit.

01:05:08.840 This is something that I wanted to get into.

01:05:11.180 So, let's just address the popularity.

01:05:13.160 But when using the popularity argument, 60% say that they would be concerned about people

01:05:21.920 pressured into dying.

01:05:23.660 There are no safeguards here.

01:05:25.000 If we didn't have such a good example in Canada, perhaps this wouldn't be such a concern.

01:05:28.780 Exactly.

01:05:29.500 Exactly.

01:05:31.680 Among supporters, 55% would change their mind if it turned out that somebody had been pressured

01:05:37.720 to do it.

01:05:38.720 And there are no real safeguards in this bill to somebody being pressured into dying.

01:05:43.640 You know, in the Netherlands, I think she was 28 or 32, something like that.

01:05:48.120 A young woman was put to death because she was depressed.

01:05:51.960 Yes.

01:05:53.040 Yes.

01:05:53.720 In the Netherlands, in Belgium, in Canada.

01:05:56.300 Everywhere you look at assisted dying, you find that what actually happens is an endless

01:06:01.740 expansion of who was eligible to be killed.

01:06:05.420 Hang on, the point being, though.

01:06:07.500 So, how can someone with a mental health problem be considered to have given informed consent

01:06:13.200 to be executed?

01:06:15.520 Then they have a mental health problem. 0.94

01:06:18.200 They would still be found competent if they speak to the doctors and...

01:06:21.740 If it's convenient for the system.

01:06:22.560 If it's convenient for the system.

01:06:23.700 Exactly.

01:06:24.040 Go on, Celeste.

01:06:24.920 No, I just wanted to say that whatever the idea behind it is and whatever the philosophy

01:06:29.820 behind it is, it's ultimately an issue of the people who are going to be involved in decision

01:06:35.940 making and, yeah, I wanted to ask something very similar to what you said, but it looks,

01:06:41.960 it seems to me that this is one of those things that are incredibly easy to abuse.

01:06:49.300 Extremely so.

01:06:50.260 Especially when the incentive is there.

01:06:51.900 It's like, well, it's going to save us money.

01:06:53.120 Well, great.

01:06:53.500 We need to save money.

01:06:54.480 Exactly.

01:06:54.820 And it will kill off conservative voters.

01:06:57.020 They shouldn't promote it and they shouldn't say, hey, let's look at the good things that 0.99

01:07:01.120 will happen if you commit suicide.

01:07:03.300 Think of how you're promoting the common good. 0.64

01:07:05.500 That's not, it's not, it's crass.

01:07:08.180 But that's very much a part of it.

01:07:11.000 So when these people were specifically asked whether or not this could happen just because

01:07:16.800 people feel like an inconvenience, the defenders of the bill, specifically Lord Falconer, who

01:07:24.320 was trying to sort of force it through the House of Lords, end up saying that, yes, if 0.97

01:07:28.600 you feel like a burden, you should die or you should be allowed to die. 0.96

01:07:34.020 And 48% of people who supported the bill said that they would rethink their position if

01:07:41.420 someone chose assisted suicide because other care wasn't sufficiently available.

01:07:48.360 And if you know anything about the state of palliative care in this country.

01:07:51.700 I was going to say, if you know anything about the NHS, you know that nothing's readily

01:07:54.280 available anyway.

01:07:55.400 So.

01:07:55.540 Exactly.

01:07:56.340 You may as well just pop it.

01:07:57.760 So you, so, so the incentive here is how do we reduce the NHS waiting list? 1.00

01:08:01.620 Well, just, let's just kill old people, vulnerable people, disabled people. 1.00

01:08:05.740 And. 1.00

01:08:06.240 Well, they're going to do fight back.

01:08:07.580 Exactly.

01:08:08.660 Exactly.

01:08:09.020 So they've said that you could end up dying if you have learning difficulties or eating

01:08:16.400 disorders.

01:08:17.840 Jesus Christ.

01:08:18.560 They're willing to sort of send you to go.

01:08:20.720 People will die if they are poor.

01:08:23.400 If in your mind you're influenced by your circumstances, because you are poor, you should

01:08:28.620 not be barred from having an assisted death.

01:08:30.960 I don't mean to laugh at this, right?

01:08:33.020 But the thing is, you could basically frame all of this from the position of the most hardcore,

01:08:39.440 eugenicist Nazi.

01:08:41.140 Yes. 0.99

01:08:41.360 Like, no, we need to get rid of the poor, the disabled, the elderly. 1.00

01:08:44.900 You know, what we want is the master race. 0.99

01:08:46.600 It feels very eugenic.

01:08:48.280 Yes.

01:08:48.820 In the nature of what they're proposing.

01:08:50.360 Because that's the nature of progressivism.

01:08:52.020 I guess it is.

01:08:52.780 But only against Europeans. 0.84

01:08:56.880 That's true.

01:08:57.520 So eugenics for Europeans, everybody else gets endless welfare. 0.99

01:09:02.400 Kim Ledbetter had acknowledged that if the care costs are too expensive, then yeah, they

01:09:10.600 should be allowed to have assisted suicide.

01:09:13.620 Oh, Jesus.

01:09:14.620 If they feel like a burden, it's a legitimate reason to request assisted suicide. 0.97

01:09:21.340 She wants a lot of people dead, doesn't she? 1.00

01:09:23.120 These are things that they've said. 0.98

01:09:25.000 These are not things that are being made up.

01:09:26.680 They are being questioned in Parliament or by interviewers or what have you.

01:09:32.020 So poor Timmy, who's got a broken leg. 1.00

01:09:34.040 Should we kill him? 1.00

01:09:34.780 Well, he is disabled. 1.00

01:09:36.080 He's a burden on the NHS.

01:09:38.040 And so pretty much every disabled people's charity opposes the bill.

01:09:44.240 I don't think that there should be 350 disabled people's charities funded by the taxpayer.

01:09:50.260 But come on.

01:09:51.160 That doesn't mean kill them all. 0.97

01:09:54.340 One reason is my body is not working in the way that it should. 0.95

01:09:59.320 I'm 45.

01:10:00.420 My body is not working in the way that it should.

01:10:01.540 Jesus.

01:10:02.200 Yeah.

01:10:02.340 Tell me about it, Kim.

01:10:03.800 Please don't just put me to death.

01:10:05.840 Exactly.

01:10:06.320 Because my back's aching a little bit.

01:10:08.060 Exactly.

01:10:10.820 Bit of arthritis in the fingers.

01:10:12.500 Sorry.

01:10:12.840 That's it.

01:10:13.220 It's difficult, but not impossible, if someone has an eating disorder, to end up dying.

01:10:21.840 And so...

01:10:22.440 We just had a comment.

01:10:24.020 Yeah.

01:10:24.460 Yeah, we can also solve the hunger crisis at the same time. 0.91

01:10:27.300 Imagine how many problems it solves if we just end up killing all the elderly and disabled. 1.00

01:10:31.820 It's mad.

01:10:33.060 There was an amendment in the House of Commons to exempt those who are substantially motivated by housing issues, depression, or being unable to access the services.

01:10:44.500 Oh, there was one of these in Canada.

01:10:45.800 From seeking assisted dying.

01:10:46.500 I was going to be made homeless, so he had the state kill him. 0.97

01:10:49.100 Yes.

01:10:50.040 Just...

01:10:50.680 Yes.

01:10:51.400 All right. 1.00

01:10:52.240 Now we're killing the homeless. 0.97

01:10:53.900 Doctors can't be prevented from raising assisted suicide with a patient.

01:10:58.080 So imagine you're battling cancer, and you're trying to find the strength that you need in order to survive it, and you have no idea whether or not you're going to survive it, but there's a chance that you would.

01:11:10.180 And your doctor says, well, we can treat you, and chemo will be painful, or we can just put you down.

01:11:16.260 Jesus Christ.

01:11:17.300 What kind of...

01:11:17.980 What is it...

01:11:18.380 Hold on, hold on.

01:11:19.040 What is it evil?

01:11:19.380 They kind of ask it in some cases, irrespective of the act.

01:11:23.340 Say again?

01:11:24.120 They kind of ask it in several cases, irrespective of the act.

01:11:27.500 Well, that's evil.

01:11:29.380 But what does it do to your confidence in your doctors?

01:11:32.800 What trust do you have in somebody who would... 1.00

01:11:34.980 Maybe I can treat you, maybe I can kill you. 1.00

01:11:37.200 What would you prefer? 1.00

01:11:38.100 I mean, what's easier for the doctor?

01:11:39.900 What's easier for the doctor?

01:11:41.020 I mean, there's a question of incentives here.

01:11:42.720 Yeah, just put you down.

01:11:44.040 Way easier for the doctor.

01:11:45.300 And the argument is that they say that there is a six-month prognosis.

01:11:49.860 You have to have a prognosis that says you're going to die in six months, but these are

01:11:54.160 always practically wrong.

01:11:55.360 Yep.

01:11:56.120 And for anybody above 70...

01:11:58.440 And even then, okay, well, the doctor will be like, you've got six months.

01:12:00.960 Exactly.

01:12:01.680 You've got six months.

01:12:02.700 Oh, suddenly lots of people have only got six months to live.

01:12:05.900 Exactly.

01:12:06.580 Exactly.

01:12:07.060 And you can see how this becomes quickly fraudulent, with people being written into wills and

01:12:11.360 getting inheritances.

01:12:12.320 And it's just genuinely sick.

01:12:16.760 And then they said that it was an answer to pain, but then Falconer himself, the guy

01:12:22.740 who's trying to ram it through.

01:12:24.620 Well, obviously they do.

01:12:25.700 And he says that it isn't about pain.

01:12:28.960 Oh, well, okay.

01:12:30.020 Don't worry about that then.

01:12:31.080 And this is important, because the Times article by Jardine Gardiner makes the same point.

01:12:37.100 Is this about pain and suffering, or is it about control?

01:12:43.240 Very often it is about control.

01:12:46.140 It is very, very frequently not about the intensity of the pain.

01:12:53.840 Control of what?

01:12:55.240 Your own destiny.

01:12:56.360 Yes.

01:12:57.040 So it's the liberal desire to be the one who makes the decision forever.

01:13:00.720 Before I get to that, before I get to that, the Royal College of Psychiatrists says we cannot

01:13:07.060 support the bill.

01:13:08.560 The Royal College of Physicians, not in line with good clinical practice.

01:13:12.640 Murdering elderly and disabled aren't actually in line with our practices.

01:13:17.020 Exactly.

01:13:17.440 Biggest non-profit care provider for the elderly.

01:13:21.980 Risks to older, vulnerable people are substantial.

01:13:24.520 We're against this.

01:13:26.260 Association of social workers.

01:13:28.280 The safeguards are not enough.

01:13:30.660 Former NHS CEO.

01:13:32.900 There are evident and substantial risks. 0.99

01:13:34.480 Like, it's a crap bill. 0.99

01:13:36.400 And they're willing to trigger a constitutional crisis over it. 1.00

01:13:40.340 And the argument, the only argument that they have is that this is about choice and control.

01:13:44.680 The issue is that the choice and control only go in one way.

01:13:50.080 As in, I want to have enough control to know that my children are not exposed to drugs or

01:13:56.060 to pornography or to various bad behavior.

01:13:59.940 They need that kind of control.

01:14:01.280 That is not allowed.

01:14:02.460 I want enough control not to have a doctor ask me whether or not I want to be killed.

01:14:07.440 That is not allowed.

01:14:08.520 I want enough control to have some kind of stability in my life.

01:14:14.480 That is not allowed.

01:14:16.060 So the choice always...

01:14:17.140 Same with the NHS money, though.

01:14:18.960 Exactly.

01:14:19.640 That's mandatory.

01:14:20.560 Exactly.

01:14:21.440 So the choice always goes one way, which is expanding the choice to criminals and abusers

01:14:28.160 and limiting your option to live a normal life.

01:14:31.940 I want to have a choice of not having to send my wife to work.

01:14:35.400 I want my wife to take care of our children. 0.99

01:14:38.460 That choice is not allowed.

01:14:40.120 Pretty much every choice that leads you to build a decent and prosperous and fulfilling

01:14:45.800 life is denied.

01:14:48.060 But the choice to destroy your life or even to end it, that is the choice that's sacred.

01:14:53.620 So you should be allowed to choose to do drugs.

01:14:56.000 You should be allowed to choose suicide. 0.97

01:14:58.160 You should be allowed to choose pornography.

01:15:00.360 You should be allowed to choose all kinds of destructive things, but choices that make

01:15:05.600 your life better?

01:15:06.740 No, no, no, no, no.

01:15:07.480 We will set up society to maximize choice for criminals and degenerates, but not for decent

01:15:13.600 people.

01:15:14.620 That's the philosophy of it.

01:15:16.320 Yeah.

01:15:16.960 And at the same time that they're doing this, they're trying to find another excuse to

01:15:23.060 destroy the House of Lords, having already decided to get rid of all the hereditary peers.

01:15:28.640 They've always hated the House of Lords.

01:15:30.340 They've always hated it because it's the least liberal institution that we have.

01:15:33.480 Exactly.

01:15:34.700 And to sort of top it off, what Labour is also doing is putting enough new peers in the House

01:15:42.900 of Lords to make sure that nobody, that they would never lose a vote in the House of Lords

01:15:49.720 from around 2027.

01:15:52.060 Yeah.

01:15:52.200 So they're not satisfied with gutting the Constitution.

01:15:55.940 They also want to continue rigging the game, all in the name of more liberalism and more

01:16:01.620 choice, choice to do evil, not choice to do good or to live well.

01:16:06.360 And it's sick. 0.58

01:16:08.760 It's, it's, it's, it's a, it's mad, deadly mindset that only seeks destruction. 0.97

01:16:15.420 Yes.

01:16:16.760 It's levelling.

01:16:17.980 That's what it is.

01:16:18.940 It's levelling to the, to, to the, to the sort of level of gorillas. 0.91

01:16:23.580 Sure.

01:16:23.900 But the point is, it's the levelling down to the lowest common denominator.

01:16:26.980 Exactly.

01:16:27.360 Which is what has always, that's always been the shadow that's lurked underneath liberalism.

01:16:31.840 Yes.

01:16:32.080 I was, I'm reading a book on George Washington at the moment, actually.

01:16:35.620 Right.

01:16:35.900 And one of the, one of the reasons that he became the first president of America is because

01:16:40.480 the experiment in self-government for the states was producing a lot of radical Democrats

01:16:46.460 who took on the sort of levelling characteristics that were seen during the English Civil War,

01:16:51.940 that the powers that be, I mean, Washington being an aristocrat himself was like, well, hang

01:16:55.560 on, we can't have that.

01:16:56.680 Yes.

01:16:56.860 I mean, there's, there's a, I think there is a theory that said that one of the problems

01:17:03.020 that the framers of the constitutions had with the articles of confederacy was that

01:17:08.640 it left too much democracy, radical democracy to the states.

01:17:12.980 Yep.

01:17:13.260 So I disagree with you on saying that this isn't a sort of liberal institution because

01:17:18.080 it's constitutionalism.

01:17:20.240 Well, no, it's a natural congenital part of liberalism that lurks in the background like

01:17:24.420 a shadow.

01:17:25.260 Well, but.

01:17:25.780 Why can't we have democracy everywhere if it's so good there?

01:17:29.380 Yes.

01:17:29.980 And that's a question that lurks have a bad answer for.

01:17:32.460 No, they don't have a bad answer because they don't want democracy everywhere.

01:17:36.300 They want constitutional government because they want natural, because they say that first

01:17:41.840 come rights and then come governments to secure these rights and legitimate governments

01:17:47.960 have to secure these rights and these rights are not subject to democratic votes.

01:17:52.120 But the rights precede the institution, right?

01:17:54.220 That's the argument.

01:17:56.180 Well, the rights of children precede the institution of the family then.

01:17:58.820 Yeah.

01:17:59.140 No, they don't.

01:18:00.580 How could they?

01:18:01.440 The child doesn't precede the family.

01:18:03.860 So the.

01:18:04.540 In what sense?

01:18:05.220 Well, the argument that the liberal will make for the emancipation of children from their 0.97

01:18:08.740 own parents will be founded in the concept that the rights precede the children, the precede 0.64

01:18:13.580 the family, right?

01:18:14.780 As in the children.

01:18:15.580 The family has a biological association.

01:18:18.380 They will argue that the children have intrinsic rights that essentially precede their own birth.

01:18:22.300 But that doesn't make any sense.

01:18:23.700 How can you have a right when you don't even exist?

01:18:26.220 Right.

01:18:26.340 And this is the problem.

01:18:27.440 When you begin to exist, you're a person and there are some things.

01:18:30.400 Sure.

01:18:30.420 Yeah, no, no.

01:18:30.720 I agree.

01:18:32.200 Yeah.

01:18:32.520 You don't have to persuade me.

01:18:33.940 But this is what these people will argue is they will take the principles that liberalism

01:18:36.920 used to destroy the hereditary government.

01:18:39.480 Yeah, well, they'll do framing and misrepresentation.

01:18:41.300 Hang on, hang on.

01:18:41.800 Hang on.

01:18:42.020 Hang on.

01:18:42.040 Hang on.

01:18:42.060 Hang on.

01:18:42.080 Hang on.

01:18:42.140 Hang on.

01:18:42.480 I'm not going to let you just shy away from this.

01:18:44.680 Those same arguments can be used for any other hereditary institution.

01:18:48.400 Well, from my reading of the issue, when it comes to the family, it's like saying that,

01:18:54.960 well, let's look at Locke's first treatise.

01:18:59.080 Just to be clear, I don't even disagree with you, right?

01:19:01.020 Okay.

01:19:01.260 I think that the English settlement in politics is a good one.

01:19:05.480 Yeah.

01:19:05.600 And that's where liberalism is extracted from, right?

01:19:07.720 Obviously, that's a good one.

01:19:08.320 Yeah, me too.

01:19:08.720 But the problem is, if you structure the argument against heredity rather than against what

01:19:14.440 is bad for people, as in people being oppressed, then what you have is an argument that can

01:19:19.780 be applied to any other hereditary institution, like a family.

01:19:23.780 And actually, that's not good.

01:19:25.160 And so it is liberalism that caused that problem, even if the thing that it was originally conceived

01:19:29.920 to be promoting is a good thing in and of itself, right?

01:19:33.760 And that's a good thing that it didn't need liberalism to be good.

01:19:36.760 That's true.

01:19:37.980 But the point being, what I'm saying is, I think what your position is, it's not persuasive

01:19:43.680 to liberals to stop.

01:19:45.480 That's the thing.

01:19:46.220 Yeah, to leftists, no.

01:19:47.320 Yeah, but they're like an extreme version of liberalism.

01:19:50.240 But liberals are the original leftists.

01:19:52.080 Of course they are.

01:19:53.860 No, you have more overlaps with them than I do.

01:19:56.600 No, literally, this is where the concept of left and right come from.

01:19:59.820 It's from the radical liberals.

01:20:01.100 So, going at the comments now for a second.

01:20:04.460 It's from the radical Republicans in the French Revolution.

01:20:08.320 No, the liberals were in the center, the classical ones.

01:20:10.740 I don't agree.

01:20:11.440 Anyway, well, there's another discussion for another time.

01:20:14.080 We're running out of time.

01:20:15.540 Let's go.

01:20:16.160 If you want to read more about this assisted suicide bill, you really should be following 1.00

01:20:20.560 Dan Hitchens, who has been absolutely excellent at explaining the problems with it.

01:20:26.560 Here he has an A to Z guide, pretty much explaining that from anorexia to feeling like a burden,

01:20:32.640 to not having enough care, to any kind of question relating to the bill, there are no safeguards.

01:20:43.760 And they can kill anybody at will.

01:20:46.000 And you can be encouraged by people around you to go and seek an assisted suicide. 0.99

01:20:52.160 That's mad.

01:20:52.640 And that is deeply immoral, even outside of a Christian framework.

01:20:58.200 And the way that these guys have been playing the game is accusing everybody who opposes assisted suicide

01:21:03.840 of being a religious fanatic.

01:21:06.440 And I just want to say, and I just want to say...

01:21:10.320 That's the weakest argument.

01:21:11.620 That I take that as a compliment to religious fanatics for having opposed something this obviously grotesque.

01:21:19.920 I just love that.

01:21:20.580 There is no way to go through this assisted suicide thing without it ending up being on a slippery slope.

01:21:27.900 And part of the slippery slope ends up having what you have in Canada,

01:21:32.160 which is something like 95% of all assisted suicides being given to white people.

01:21:38.680 And the number is going from a few hundred to 15,000 in just a decade.

01:21:43.960 And climbing to the extent that it's about 5% of all deaths in Canada.

01:21:48.640 It's the fourth leading cause of death in Canada.

01:21:50.880 Yes. 0.86

01:21:51.580 The government murdering you. 0.72

01:21:53.080 Exactly.

01:21:54.300 So this is evil.

01:21:56.560 And if you have anybody you know in the House of Lords,

01:21:59.220 you should be writing to them and telling them to oppose this atrocity of a bill.

01:22:03.300 It's just completely wrong and completely unnecessary.

01:22:06.240 And there you have it.

01:22:10.100 All right.

01:22:10.260 Let's go to the video comments.

01:22:13.560 Seeming we've got the shared drive back.

01:22:16.020 We haven't got the shared drive back, right?

01:22:17.440 All right.

01:22:17.800 I'll go to the normal comments.

01:22:20.860 I think Sigilstone has a...

01:22:22.220 Yeah, yeah.

01:22:22.660 Sigilstone says,

01:22:23.300 I have a fancy story idea.

01:22:24.320 An ancient evil sealed away from millennial returns and wants to destroy society. 0.99

01:22:27.620 But society is so screwed up, everyone joins him and he's a hero. 0.70

01:22:30.560 Is it too unbelievable? 0.70

01:22:31.560 No, that's pretty much what...

01:22:32.540 That's what's happening now.

01:22:33.420 The Antichrist is supposed to be doing initially.

01:22:36.100 The Antichrist is supposed to be very popular initially.

01:22:39.200 So, you know.

01:22:40.380 Yeah.

01:22:40.780 It's like...

01:22:42.520 And Joseph says,

01:22:43.640 we can also solve world hunger at this time.

01:22:45.860 Yeah.

01:22:46.760 Omar says,

01:22:47.480 the West is not compatible with Izat ethics. 0.74

01:22:49.960 Just as with these rape gangs, 0.90

01:22:51.500 what would outrage us in seeking justice against an individual

01:22:53.900 is instead an opportunity to get your friends,

01:22:55.920 family and neighbours in on the action.

01:22:58.420 If I were committing fraud or rape,

01:22:59.600 I couldn't think of a single contact I know to join me,

01:23:01.640 let alone an entire community.

01:23:02.380 That's the point.

01:23:03.380 I've made that point over and over.

01:23:05.060 I don't know who I would bring into my scheme.

01:23:08.580 Like, I just don't think anyone I could message or phone up would be in on it.

01:23:13.140 But this is the point.

01:23:14.400 This is all Izat ethics. 0.92

01:23:15.860 I like the use there.

01:23:17.140 Oh, sorry.

01:23:17.580 We've got a $20 superchat from Hiroshi Ban saying,

01:23:22.540 assisted suicide is not suicide, it's government genocide.

01:23:25.180 And we know which ethnicity they aim at. 0.96

01:23:26.920 Well, it's the same with the abortions.

01:23:28.280 Yes.

01:23:28.400 The bonus is, it saves the whole NHS and GDP line go up.

01:23:32.520 Yeah, I know.

01:23:33.060 It's literally selecting for productivity and minimizing state expenses.

01:23:39.000 Yeah.

01:23:39.200 This is literally, oh, well, the working people can live, 0.53

01:23:41.720 the non-working people can die. 0.99

01:23:44.160 Okay, thanks.

01:23:45.480 Thanks a lot.

01:23:47.620 Drunk Changeling makes a funny one.

01:23:49.680 You guys complain about the winter fuel cuts

01:23:51.380 and now hate on labour for solving the issue. 0.79

01:23:54.100 Ungrateful.

01:23:54.540 Yeah, good point.

01:23:56.220 Yeah, you got us there.

01:23:57.700 Jimbo says,

01:23:58.660 it's infuriating just how much Ilhan Omar can campaign for Somalian land

01:24:01.960 to be free of Ethiopians from America, 1.00

01:24:03.820 which can't be free of Somalians. 1.00

01:24:05.800 The average Westerner can't comprehend how tribal these people are.

01:24:09.020 Most of them make Steve Laws blush.

01:24:11.040 Yeah, genuinely, it's like,

01:24:13.280 again, you don't understand that they consider themselves not as individuals, right?

01:24:18.300 Yes.

01:24:18.660 They do not think of themselves as being separate from their own tribes.

01:24:22.240 They think of themselves as being ensconced and embedded

01:24:25.540 and connected directly with all of those people around them,

01:24:28.520 which is why the kickbacks are such a natural thing.

01:24:30.940 It's like, well, yeah, obviously.

01:24:32.260 This is why I send...

01:24:33.300 Like, if I moved to another country,

01:24:34.780 I wouldn't be sending money home

01:24:36.080 because I'd be like, why would I?

01:24:39.080 It's not like some rabid tribalist.

01:24:41.420 But these people have moral obligations

01:24:44.400 that they can't live without.

01:24:45.700 This is why they're constantly on the phone.

01:24:47.360 Like, it maintains themselves in this web of society

01:24:50.620 that they come from that you don't understand

01:24:52.860 because you weren't born and raised in it.

01:24:55.920 Angel Brain says,

01:24:56.900 it's very important to remember

01:24:57.820 that Somalis genuinely don't see this as fraud.

01:25:00.260 In their thinking,

01:25:01.100 if money is left on the table, 0.99

01:25:02.500 you're a fool not to take it. 0.99

01:25:03.380 Exactly. 1.00

01:25:04.320 Exactly.

01:25:06.120 Arizona Desert Rat says,

01:25:07.160 maybe the Somali community

01:25:08.160 is where all the African princes and princesses 0.99

01:25:09.980 are hiding out

01:25:10.500 while they're trying to get a hold of their inheritances.

01:25:13.000 Maybe.

01:25:14.560 It's pretty mad.

01:25:15.980 Anyway, let's go on to the Candace Owen stuff.

01:25:17.360 Michael says,

01:25:18.420 wait, so Bridget Macron isn't a man or a trans woman.

01:25:21.260 Next, you'll be telling me

01:25:21.840 that Michelle Obama wasn't a man called Big Mike.

01:25:24.380 Listen, I'm on the train with that conspiracy theory.

01:25:26.960 I just don't think Bridget Macron was a man

01:25:29.280 because we've got pictures of her from when she was young

01:25:31.460 and she's a woman.

01:25:32.960 She's just a nonce. 1.00

01:25:35.340 Am I wrong?

01:25:37.940 Well, you know.

01:25:40.860 Yeah, Russian says,

01:25:42.500 the Bridget Macron is a man hypothesis is obviously false.

01:25:44.620 We have historical photos,

01:25:45.540 but the Michelle Obama hypothesis,

01:25:47.400 yeah, is there one picture of her pregnant? 0.92

01:25:49.100 Everyone wants the Michelle Obama controversy.

01:25:53.500 I see another one here by Cambrian Kulak.

01:25:55.500 Go on. 0.98

01:25:56.060 Stelios, you appeal to ignorance 0.99

01:25:57.540 and are being hyper-rational. 0.98

01:25:59.120 Thank you.

01:26:00.020 Things can be real before they're proven.

01:26:01.900 They do not require scientific proof to exist.

01:26:04.000 This is an epistemic closure.

01:26:05.760 As Aristotle said,

01:26:06.740 the measure of an educated mind

01:26:08.140 is being able to entertain a thought

01:26:10.280 without accepting it.

01:26:11.640 Right, so I want to say

01:26:12.680 I don't appeal to ignorance

01:26:14.480 and things can indeed be real

01:26:18.160 before they're proven,

01:26:19.200 but the point is that

01:26:20.300 there are conflicting hypotheses

01:26:22.940 that can be individually true

01:26:25.740 but are mutually exclusive.

01:26:28.160 The point is,

01:26:28.860 you need good reasons to believe it.

01:26:30.460 My point is about justification.

01:26:32.080 Also, he's specifically arguing

01:26:33.860 about physical events as well.

01:26:35.720 Yeah.

01:26:35.940 We're discussing metaphysical truths or something.

01:26:37.900 These are actual, plausible, manifestable, material complaints.

01:26:43.220 But also there's the other bit

01:26:44.280 of epistemic anti-realism, let's say.

01:26:49.360 No, it's a non-realistic one.

01:26:50.920 It's focusing on possibility but not probability.

01:26:54.140 And communists and utopians

01:26:55.540 are doing this all the time

01:26:56.700 because in some respect,

01:26:58.440 communism is possible.

01:26:59.920 Problem is that it's so improbable

01:27:02.340 that it doesn't give you good reasons

01:27:04.360 to try to destroy your society

01:27:06.100 to try to achieve it.

01:27:08.280 Apart from the moral criticism of it.

01:27:11.920 So, just, that doesn't mean,

01:27:14.840 it still means that we need good reasons

01:27:17.820 to believe into each individual hypothesis

01:27:20.940 that is being put forward.

01:27:22.680 Fuzzy Toaster says,

01:27:23.520 the House of Commons wants more power.

01:27:24.860 It's a day ending in why.

01:27:26.260 Yeah, and that's the thing.

01:27:27.120 Notice how it's constantly being,

01:27:29.080 oh, well, this is undemocratic.

01:27:31.100 It's like, okay, but is it bad?

01:27:33.380 Like, undemocratic becomes a synonym

01:27:35.080 for not a good thing.

01:27:37.160 And this, again,

01:27:38.440 sorry to hammer the drum,

01:27:40.260 but this is why it ends up destroying things

01:27:42.840 that are undemocratic but good.

01:27:44.920 Because...

01:27:45.220 I wanted to thank Cambrian Kulak

01:27:46.920 for his comment, by the way.

01:27:49.120 Yeah, go on.

01:27:50.480 Oh, Lord, why do you take me

01:27:51.920 to deep troubled waters?

01:27:53.180 Because your enemies cannot swim.

01:27:55.260 Thank you for covering this.

01:27:56.560 It is coming from politicians

01:27:57.700 and ignoring the recommendations

01:27:59.060 from public healthcare staff.

01:28:01.040 It's a clear sign of sinister intent,

01:28:02.940 in my view.

01:28:03.440 Too much to say in a comment,

01:28:05.140 but keep fighting.

01:28:06.420 As a healthcare worker,

01:28:07.460 I will not comply.

01:28:09.180 Thank you.

01:28:09.720 Good man.

01:28:10.520 And Arizona Desiree says,

01:28:11.660 what a Marxist thought. 0.99

01:28:12.440 The House of Law should die 1.00

01:28:13.420 simply because they happen to be lords 1.00

01:28:14.600 instead of being elected.

01:28:15.680 That's not a Marxist thought.

01:28:17.320 That's a liberal thought.

01:28:18.860 That's a liberal perspective

01:28:20.440 on how power is accumulated,

01:28:23.920 that it comes purely from democracy

01:28:25.620 and there's no other way of doing it.

01:28:27.340 So this thing,

01:28:28.120 I'm not happy to kick

01:28:29.900 genuine liberal beliefs

01:28:31.780 into the left,

01:28:33.760 into the Marxists,

01:28:34.640 saying, well,

01:28:34.940 these are just leftists.

01:28:35.640 No, these are normal liberal thoughts

01:28:37.400 just taken to their extremes.

01:28:40.940 Grant says,

01:28:41.580 Canadian here in the comments,

01:28:43.000 fight assisted dying

01:28:43.960 with everything that you have.

01:28:45.080 They will try to get in

01:28:45.880 with safe, legal, and rare.

01:28:47.320 Yeah, like they did

01:28:48.200 with the abortions.

01:28:49.460 And eventually it will become,

01:28:50.600 wait, stop spending money

01:28:51.440 on veterans and people

01:28:52.160 with disabilities,

01:28:52.740 which is they've already admitted.

01:28:54.040 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:28:54.740 Sorry, these pensions,

01:28:55.840 they're costing us a bloody lot.

01:28:58.120 Tim says,

01:28:58.980 just want to thank you guys

01:28:59.820 for the range of excellent content

01:29:00.880 in the space of one weekend.

01:29:02.480 I learned a lot about

01:29:03.180 Hemingway's Old Man of the Sea,

01:29:04.840 Talleyrand and Revolutionary France,

01:29:06.180 and continued Stelos' course

01:29:07.560 on ancient Greek philosophy.

01:29:08.720 Thanks, Tim.

01:29:09.000 Hope you've got my Christmas card.

01:29:10.100 I haven't looked,

01:29:10.780 but thank you very much

01:29:11.520 for sending it.

01:29:12.120 Thank you.

01:29:14.440 And Michael says,

01:29:16.960 I support assisted dying 1.00

01:29:18.140 for certain crimes.

01:29:19.260 Not the same thing.

01:29:21.200 You know,

01:29:21.700 not the same thing at all.

01:29:23.480 Baron from Warhawk says,

01:29:24.520 demonic two-pronged

01:29:25.800 pincher movement

01:29:26.420 from the left.

01:29:27.480 First, they use mass abortion 1.00

01:29:28.440 to kill as many babies as possible, 0.79

01:29:30.280 take away hope for the future, 1.00

01:29:31.520 then kill off all the old 1.00

01:29:32.500 to take away the wisdom 1.00

01:29:33.300 of the past

01:29:33.860 from the people of England.

01:29:35.060 This is truly a brilliant move

01:29:36.500 from the servants of Satan, 0.67

01:29:37.940 which...

01:29:39.080 It's difficult to see it

01:29:39.940 in any other way.

01:29:40.900 I mean...

01:29:41.160 It's difficult not to see it

01:29:42.040 in religious terms.

01:29:43.060 Even if you don't,

01:29:44.880 like, still,

01:29:46.400 there's something

01:29:47.240 profoundly evil happening.

01:29:49.140 Yes.

01:29:49.360 And, I mean, honestly,

01:29:52.120 you know,

01:29:52.420 my thoughts on it,

01:29:53.300 you know,

01:29:53.820 I view this as an outgrowth

01:29:55.520 of liberalism.

01:29:56.040 This is the world

01:29:56.460 that liberalism wants.

01:29:57.500 Because it only recognizes

01:29:58.600 the person

01:29:59.220 in the full bloom

01:30:01.020 of their own life.

01:30:02.360 Yes.

01:30:02.540 They're strongest,

01:30:04.000 they're fittest,

01:30:04.560 they're most cognizant.

01:30:06.540 They don't understand

01:30:07.680 anything outside of that.

01:30:08.940 And whilst people

01:30:09.600 are in that sort of

01:30:10.600 30-year period

01:30:11.840 of their lives,

01:30:13.100 yeah, liberalism's

01:30:13.760 great for you.

01:30:14.660 But outside of that,

01:30:16.640 it's a different story.

01:30:17.840 Anyway, that is all

01:30:19.480 we've got time for today.

01:30:20.280 So thank you so much

01:30:20.820 for joining us, folks.

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The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - December 08, 2025

The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1312

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