The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1313

00:00:00.000 hello and welcome to podcast of the lotus eaters episode 1313 unlucky for some as the bingo players

00:00:06.100 say although we are perhaps so late that it should be 13 13.1 or something shouldn't it

00:00:11.200 i'm joined by um uh stelios and special guest josh hello i'm not that special though

00:00:16.600 and um uh might as well do the date because calum never did it and i argued with him at the time so

00:00:22.160 i kind of feel compelled to it is the um the night for december the year of our lord 2025 so

00:00:27.080 there is that and uh we're going to be talking about um how the eu can't keep its finger off the

00:00:32.280 self-destruct button um how right-wingers are a danger to children and a bit of um nightmarish

00:00:38.720 maga midterm stuff coming up so so there is that um and before we go any further i have to thank um

00:00:45.460 blood for the blood god um who has donated another 200 pounds um to our um eating and drinking expenses

00:00:53.340 which is well timed because we've got our christmas dew coming up um so that is that is very much

00:00:58.580 appreciated uh he's obviously trying to corrupt us to the ruinous powers but if he if he bribes like

00:01:03.760 that um i think we should consider it so um here yes very good all right um have you guys heard about

00:01:10.480 this um this eu thing where they're trying to they're trying to find x out of existence yeah i have

00:01:17.400 heard about that and it seems just a little bit politically motivated almost like i got that

00:01:22.880 sense from it as well yes almost like there's some sort of disagreement about the existential

00:01:27.620 questions facing our civilization and they sort of don't want to go through yeah yes the route of

00:01:33.680 debating it civilly they want to find them out of existence well it is the sort of thing the eu does

00:01:38.180 um however um the main gist of what i wanted to achieve in this segment was um kind of reframing it

00:01:45.080 slightly because yes it is evil eusssr as it ever is and yes they're very bad people um and and i know

00:01:52.460 that's going to appeal to our american audience because the americans can be sort of wonderfully

00:01:55.540 jingoistic whenever it's sort of them versus basically anyone else you know it's just instantly

00:02:00.500 bomb them um and and i'm not saying that you shouldn't by the way um i'm just saying that it's

00:02:05.920 not as simple as eu versus us um there is a sort of global censorship cabal uh which is very worth

00:02:14.140 remembering here and and actually hats off to um good old mike benzier um who has been right on this

00:02:20.800 issue uh for a long time and and you know he's right because he predicted what would happen um when

00:02:26.120 it would happen well in advance uh and he sort of draws all these threads together and in in the

00:02:31.900 sciences that is called predictive utility and it's a good sign that your theory is correct he is being

00:02:36.760 both predictive and utilitous in this respect so well done mike um let me just play you um this little

00:02:44.000 bit uh if if you've watched his stuff and you should have watched his stuff um he he's got

00:02:50.360 roughly the same pattern on a number of podcasts and i've just picked the winston marshall one here

00:02:54.280 but um you know you can go to a number of his podcasts get this um but you know listen to how

00:02:59.260 he sort of explains that this this is broader than a single region's effort they don't respond to our

00:03:04.760 requests there's nobody there that we can read sorry while we were doing the sound issues earlier we

00:03:09.620 might have we might have skipped the first few minutes of this he's describing a panel of u.s

00:03:14.160 former censors uh a meeting that they're having between themselves which out to because they're

00:03:18.720 all gone these trust and safety teams have all been fired but fortunately europe is a is about to have

00:03:24.240 the eu dsa come into force and this will give us options for leverage as companies feel the heat of

00:03:30.040 enforcement from the disinformation risk assessments from quote transparency requirements to share with

00:03:34.800 outside researchers and i'll break that down and chance by saying and hopefully hopefully this will

00:03:40.920 compel the restaffing of of these people who were fired from the trust and safety team so these are

00:03:48.000 american censors in exile working together with europe and banking on a european censorship law to get

00:03:55.940 their american censorship jobs back because they will have to be in order to comply with the european

00:04:01.220 regulation or face potentially hundreds of millions of dollars in fines so i mean what he's describing

00:04:06.780 is that is the whole issue of um censors in exile a great example of this is i'm sure our audience will

00:04:14.220 remember nina jankovich um fortunately i can yes we did segments on her at the time didn't we did she

00:04:20.620 did some horrific singing and sort of weird theatrical things that make my skin crawl wasn't she like a

00:04:26.700 weird harry potter fan or something and used to sing along to that whilst also planning to censor

00:04:32.380 everybody in the us it gave it a very scary sort of tone didn't it it made it more sinister nurse

00:04:38.040 pratchett vibes yes we were getting from this um but anyway as you may remember she um sort of popped

00:04:44.840 up and was attempting to basically do what the eu is doing now in the us and there was a bit of a

00:04:49.280 backlash and they thought oh dear um we can't really be seen to be censorious in america because you

00:04:55.840 know apparently it's it's an issue for them free speech and they've got some documents or something

00:04:59.920 that back it up they've got they've got the right paperwork to suggest that they can have free speech

00:05:04.380 so um do you know what happened to her she was quietly quietly shuffled off um to an ngo in london

00:05:11.520 um and she is now um a registered foreign agent um in in america so she so she's an american censor

00:05:21.000 who basically lost her job and and became and started working for a london-based ngo and she's

00:05:27.460 a registered foreign agent back in the us now it's almost like it's an international racket of some

00:05:34.740 kind isn't it um yeah that that's what i'm going with yes so you know you have to remember as

00:05:40.960 absolutely appealing as it is to sort of attack um the eu we've got to remember that actually there

00:05:46.760 was an entire cabal of these people and they operate at a transnational level they don't

00:05:51.160 really respect national borders and a lot of what's going on is actually um you know us remnant deep

00:05:58.240 state um apparatus uh bureaucrats who who have lost their a lot of their funding you know the um what

00:06:06.520 was it that got defunded it was um the thing that thing that elon and trump defunded on day one

00:06:13.000 usa usa yes it's a lot of that a lot of their funding has gone so they've been dispersed uh to

00:06:18.680 the colonies um to regroup um and attempt to reinstall this stuff it is painful to have to

00:06:23.840 defend the eu somewhat here although of course well i'm not really defending the eu i'm just yes

00:06:28.300 just highlighting that this is a bigger issue than you know essentially what i'm going to get to at

00:06:33.340 the end of this is that mike benz keeps pointing out you you don't treat this as a as a isolate a

00:06:39.140 series of isolated issues treat it as a as a stratagem that you need to apply broadly and

00:06:45.980 this is both to u.s censors london censors american censors in exile all that all that kind of should

00:06:51.600 be able to spot the patterns people in the audience exactly exactly there is also the the other way

00:06:56.700 around you know thierry breton is one of the people behind the dsa and uh i think now he's working

00:07:02.940 for uh an american agency let me let me check it yeah that sounds that sounds right yeah what these

00:07:08.840 people there's lots of cross-pollination between both sides of the atlantic yeah yeah it's censors

00:07:13.980 censor one of censoring us yeah and and actually one of the other things i didn't put it in the

00:07:19.560 segment but he talked a bit about brazil as well about how they're applying worldwide censorship

00:07:24.500 sanders as well it's an attempt um from these sort of u.s deep state or former deep state

00:07:30.400 affiliated branches to try and reinstitute censorship back into the u.s i have it yeah good right so

00:07:37.160 thierry breton served as the european commissioner for internal market and digital affairs in the

00:07:42.360 eu commission european commission from 2019 until his resignation in september 2024 i believe that was

00:07:50.440 when he was accused for election interference in the u.s he and elon musk have a major back and forth

00:07:57.540 following his tenure he joined bank of america's global advisory council right well i mean election

00:08:05.940 interference is the entire point of this whole exercise it was i mean this this whole apparatus

00:08:11.320 was built i mean not just for trump but it was it was significantly ramped up to stop trump getting

00:08:16.560 elected um and then obviously he defunded it when he came in and of course these people are just

00:08:21.300 scrabbling around all over the place but there's a whole network so so it supports it it's basically an

00:08:25.280 extension of the democratic party at this point yes yes essentially um but but let's talk about

00:08:30.900 what the what the eu have actually done so these are the specific reasons for the fine and i thought

00:08:36.440 it you know um it might be worth to go through it so um you know um it it's apparently the uh dsa so

00:08:44.160 the digital service act or whatever it is um it's their first uh very large on so they target very large

00:08:51.840 online platforms um basically because they're the ones with the cash to fund this type of um activity

00:08:56.980 um and and ben's has basically been warning since 2018 that all of this is coming that you're going

00:09:03.380 to see this apparatus built out in um you know all over the place we've seen we've already seen it built

00:09:08.560 out in the uk with was it the online harms bill um but the but the uk market is small enough that it

00:09:16.680 it doesn't carry quite a big enough stick if the eu were to go dark for social media it would represent

00:09:22.460 a huge chunk of advertising income and sort of make it um much more challenging to um operate um

00:09:30.200 here we go uh this is ben saying um this is the day i've worn the trump admin for every day for seven

00:09:36.440 years would come uh since the 2018 u.s uh disinformation code um when it was floated in concept so um yeah

00:09:46.000 absolutely and of course uh multiple people have issued sort of similar warnings on this would i

00:09:51.020 be able to say something ever so quickly on the scale of the fines in the previous slide um if you

00:09:56.280 could go back to that one it's interesting the fine amounts here because some of these things

00:10:00.760 you know i could see them having these you know these sort of objections to these sorts of things

00:10:08.560 however the fine amounts are curiously balanced at a point where it's not enough to destroy x because

00:10:13.980 it's a multi-billion uh dollar company but it's enough to disincentivize them because it's still

00:10:19.060 not very profitable and if they if they receive these fines that's going to affect things like

00:10:24.540 that the parasite is smart enough at this date not to kill the host yeah arguably they don't want to

00:10:30.180 destroy x they just want to do a bit more censoring well they want to incentivize compliance because if

00:10:36.600 it looks like they're destroying it then they are what people say they are right whereas if they're just

00:10:42.320 fining them and it's still there they can say well it's still here you can still use it

00:10:46.180 so i mean uh i will i will once again get into specifics but um again i'm just going to let ben's

00:10:52.420 talk on this the first minute of this is uh is a wonderful little summary the eu has a piece of

00:10:59.740 absolutely monstrous regulation it's called the digital services act you should not dignify it with

00:11:04.520 that name it's the digital censorship act effectively dictates the content moderation policies that

00:11:08.720 american social media companies can have climate change abortion gender issues national identity

00:11:14.460 issues vaccine efficacy any policy the eu wants to manufacture the consent of the european population

00:11:21.460 they can effectively force the tech companies under effectively bankrupting fines allow them to

00:11:26.060 essentially have god-like control americans writing online from within america because of this service

00:11:31.460 you think that that will be throttled all over the world won't it just be throttled within the eu

00:11:35.600 that is what they're saying right now but the nato 2030 strategic concept they call for a 24 7

00:11:40.980 disinformation monitoring system powered by artificial intelligence you see 12 000 arrests in britain

00:11:45.580 but it is like orders of magnitude more than get arrested in russia it seems that this is an

00:11:49.680 administration that at least proclaims to be very pro-free speech i wanted your appraisal a few

00:11:53.480 months into this second term of trump right so there you go sound effects there but um yes yes very

00:12:00.540 he's very much on the money though um what he's saying yes so uh let's talk about this this first

00:12:05.800 one the deceptive uh blue check mark system so i i guess what the um eu is trying why they see what

00:12:14.380 they're trying to say um that they want to avoid scams impersonations manipulations by malicious actors

00:12:21.620 um is is their stated reason um i mean quite straightforwardly of course it's just

00:12:26.880 they want to um they want ruled by experts they want only the people that are in their club

00:12:33.780 to be the people who have reach there's a sort of deceptive nature to this because when they first

00:12:38.400 rolled out the the check mark thing in sort of around the 2022 period there were people you know

00:12:46.060 pretending to be other people and people lots of people were falling for it you know people pretending

00:12:50.440 to be elon musk or brands things like that and it did actually do some tangible damage reputational

00:12:56.220 damage to people that did nothing to deserve it however this doesn't really happen anymore when

00:13:02.120 you when you see x these days there's no real impersonation anymore or if if it is going on it's

00:13:08.160 much smaller accounts that maybe are not verified that are being impersonated or things like that

00:13:13.280 and also people just fabricate things anyway they don't necessarily need to impersonate someone

00:13:18.920 anymore because you can just edit it quite easily but i mean all those impersonations worked

00:13:23.300 because they said things that you know that the person they're impersonating really thinks

00:13:27.900 so if anything you're just a bit surprised that they're just coming out and saying it

00:13:31.560 um but you know that that's why they worked um and and i mean all of these uh they're doing it

00:13:39.520 because they know it's very difficult for any social media platform to ring fence eu users

00:13:44.080 so it kind of encumbered upon them just to just make these changes globally um if if they're gonna

00:13:51.240 end up complying with this and again a let's find it there you know that one yep um again he's been

00:13:59.920 predicting this for some time that these large um fines won their way um the second one on the list

00:14:05.800 was inadequate advertising repositories um 35 million on that um again the i mean the issue here

00:14:17.040 is it the eu is not really worried about advertising having a advertisers having a repository of data i

00:14:24.160 mean they don't obviously they don't give a toss about that in fact let's go and see what their

00:14:27.620 made-up excuses for for that one um x fails to maintain a searchable accessible library um obscuring

00:14:35.100 details on political ad scams and targeting content this hinders users and researchers from detecting

00:14:41.120 fraud or undue influence and of course there's a reason here because when you hand over advertisers

00:14:46.740 information um you you get that same scenario where you had the youtube adpocalypse where it's just like

00:14:54.100 do you know that adverts are appearing on this dangerous content when actually it was just the

00:14:58.720 adverts would always appear and they're not specifically choosing that content yes and they try to

00:15:03.540 misrepresent it and so there's an incentive from a social media platforms perspective not to share

00:15:09.780 this information because it's it opens them up for attack and one of their main revenues i mean that

00:15:15.360 i think the reason that well the reason that mike bens would certainly say that they they don't want

00:15:20.380 um this sort of uh searchable database is because basically they're what they're building is is when

00:15:25.500 they have it is an election interference toolkit so they can see who their political opponents who

00:15:31.200 the afd or national front or reform or whoever it is if they can see them putting out ads um they know

00:15:39.780 where to interfere they know where to censor they know where to suppress things they know where to

00:15:43.620 limit things i mean this this whole thing is just a an election interference um operation that got

00:15:49.420 disrupted um by by by musk closing that off um and again i think i've got a relevant um point here

00:15:57.080 um yeah well this is actually somebody else wall street a mike bens calls it um the european union

00:16:03.020 be finding um elon musk next to force censorship um it's exactly what happening now um oh here we go

00:16:09.200 yeah my my words the usa truman show these censors in exile these regime changes in exile right now

00:16:16.240 are going to cling on to every international ally um i mean of course precisely what they've done

00:16:22.920 um perhaps the most significant one i really should have put this link in more and more than once in

00:16:27.600 there um is is is the third one um this is probably the bit that they want more than anything else on

00:16:35.560 this list so restricted data access for researchers so x uh so the eu say x obstructed independent

00:16:42.800 researchers access to public platform data limiting scrutiny of issues like political content hate speech and

00:16:50.940 algorithmic bias um i mean what that's really about is for these agencies usaid and the eu and um

00:17:00.400 oh what's the other one he always mentions department for off with it anyway i can't remember

00:17:05.000 yeah there's there was a whole bunch of sort of us deep state institutions as well as the eu as well as

00:17:12.620 the uk foreign office that fund all of these little research shops so if you ever wondered why there's so many

00:17:18.620 academics um why are they all so well funded is because they're all getting government money

00:17:23.580 to do some part of deep state apparatus work at arm's length and what was happening is all these

00:17:29.880 shops were spread out all over the place and they would um they would be a plug into the apis on this

00:17:35.640 they would search for right-wing content that was starting to grain a little bit of traction

00:17:40.200 and preemptively shut it down and and they would be very good at making sure that they shut things

00:17:46.640 down selectively so they probably wouldn't shut down a u.s congressman for example

00:17:50.880 but they would shut down the people who tended to be his loudest cheerleaders

00:17:55.560 the people who retweeted him um and that way um a you know republican

00:18:00.800 u.s congressman could go out and say well i don't see any

00:18:03.660 they want to censor people who have the eu's rhetoric with respect to the

00:18:10.280 poland belarus border exactly i mean it's yeah it's international yeah yeah yeah no i'm just saying

00:18:17.460 that especially with that border the eu is adopting the strategy it says that the far right adopts

00:18:25.440 with respect to every other border yeah well you did a thread on uh a segment on that recently

00:18:29.780 yeah yeah you made that point the last uh week when we're talking about the afd

00:18:33.700 and about the cognitive dissonance of the eu with respect to the party yeah um i mean he even makes

00:18:40.360 a reference to the british police in that because the british police are not actually sitting there

00:18:45.480 reading your tweets all day they're relying on organizations like this to you know plug in with

00:18:51.080 an api scan stuff i mean that's that's how i think how for example they were able to find lucy

00:18:55.840 even though she was deleted within half an hour you know they've got these um you know systems

00:19:01.140 running plug in through an api they can find it quickly and they couldn't they can flag it up

00:19:06.440 wave it to the police and then the police just get these sort of free you know detections as they

00:19:12.220 call it free arrests and they have the keywords yes i can find with the keywords also some of those

00:19:18.520 posts may do really well um in the beginning and they get a massive boost so they can find it

00:19:24.940 relatively easily but you you constantly see people who write posts like that like these get

00:19:31.740 much longer sentences than actual criminals oh yeah yeah yeah and also the system yeah you you could

00:19:39.360 arguably say that there was the labor counselor ricky jones who actually committed incitement to

00:19:45.580 violence and got away with nothing and uh you could say other let's say inflammatory but

00:19:52.400 statements that don't constitute incitement to violence were persecuted yeah yeah exactly right

00:19:58.420 um and and one of the first things i mean as well as turning off the the searchable ad base um for

00:20:04.520 that thing the api access what what um elon did is he is he brought in a charge and it was like a couple

00:20:10.440 of hundred grand a month to have api access into into twitter now google can pay it facebook can pay it

00:20:17.700 you know it's a negligible cost for them so it doesn't really affect anything at a sort of high

00:20:22.580 level but when you're a deep state and you're funding all of these academic little groups and

00:20:29.000 all of these little ngos and you're spreading it out to make it a little bit you know well so that

00:20:34.020 it's less obvious what you're doing each individual one of them cannot afford to pay millions a year to

00:20:39.140 get api access so they're having to go back to what you were saying which is actually tapping in

00:20:44.200 keywords and doing searches i think what you say now is correct but if we go back to the big businesses

00:20:50.040 and the and the costs i think that there still is an issue there because you can be a somewhat a high

00:20:57.240 official of your department and if you show that your department has incurred that cost it may cost

00:21:03.840 your career or it may lead to you being demoted or not getting a razor it can have actual consequences

00:21:11.780 even in massive businesses that can afford it economically but as far as the people are

00:21:17.580 concerned they have an extra they have an extra motive to be cautious even if the business can

00:21:23.180 withstand a particular fine the official who will be blamed for it won't get away with the consequences

00:21:31.240 yeah no i think what i'm driving at here is that when you're doing this sort of deep state dirty work

00:21:36.940 you you spread it out to a huge number of smaller organizations and give like batter upon a bread

00:21:41.760 upon bread yeah but when you add a cost of over a million dollars a year in order to do your censorship

00:21:47.040 work it breaks that model of spreading out these these small censorship shop shops um

00:21:53.120 because we are limited on time that that that was what i referenced at the beginning these

00:22:00.120 basically american censors in exile here are basically discussing between themselves how they are going to use

00:22:06.680 eu censorship in order to try and get how we're going to make everyone shut up yeah so i mean i'm not

00:22:13.180 saying don't blame the eu i'm absolutely saying blame the eu um i'm i'm just also saying that um you

00:22:20.780 know it isn't just the eu no what what i'm saying is is that there needs to be a strategic plan in place

00:22:27.420 that tackles this thing as if it is not just an eu thing recognize that this is happening as at a sort of

00:22:33.920 global cabal level um and and take plans accordingly including within inside the us absolutely but one

00:22:41.080 thing to bear in mind and i'm not i'm not saying that to you one thing to bear in mind is that this

00:22:45.980 is an issue of free speech and the best way to guard free speech is to have a culture that values liberty

00:22:52.920 yes and the free speech is the best way to hold power into account well precisely why they don't want

00:23:01.560 it yeah yeah yep um i i'm going to end on this this is this is truly extraordinary um i mean well i suppose

00:23:09.960 it's not but you you might find it extraordinary um this is eu revenues the right hand side is what it

00:23:18.540 gets by taxing eu based tech firms the left hand side is what the eu gets by fining u.s based tech

00:23:28.220 firms the eu makes more money by fining u.s tech than it does from the tax base of its own tech

00:23:35.580 companies yeah this is how sclerotic broken and dead the eu is inside um i mean i'll give you some

00:23:45.380 examples i've got a little list of you know largest companies in the u.s yeah there there are endless

00:23:51.500 problems with a eu you have unelected bureaucrats talking about our democracy then diplomatically

00:23:56.800 they are negligible i was watching a video i think i don't remember who it was but they were saying that

00:24:01.560 this was a particularly humiliating year for the eu because on a diplomatic level they were completely

00:24:06.520 sidelined you can't have unelected bureaucrats who are representing a massive union of 750 million

00:24:14.820 people without having an army for instance no one takes you seriously why should trump listen to

00:24:20.920 them when he completely sidelined them and went to talk to discuss with putin about a ceasefire in

00:24:27.400 ukraine that's diplomatically this is a humiliation for the eu makes you wonder where all this money's

00:24:33.140 going because you'd think you could build a pretty good standing army with all that money right

00:24:36.980 um yes and and yet here we are and you say pretty good army i mean you would have lots of frenchmen i

00:24:42.520 mean well you know that's another people carrying the boxes at the back don't you yes that's another

00:24:47.760 debate but that was just merely trying to stress out that when you're just an unelected bureaucrat

00:24:52.760 without when you're in representing a basically economic union without having a an organized army

00:24:59.540 behind you people who do have organized armies behind them can afford to sideline you well we've

00:25:06.520 only got soft power haven't they haven't got hard power we're moving back into the era of real

00:25:10.900 politics um we don't think we ever left but well yeah the the eu imagined that we did for the last 50

00:25:17.900 years um of course we didn't but they like to believe it um i'll just leave you this now i'm just

00:25:24.220 gonna i'm just gonna read out some of the u.s biggest companies and then some of the eu's biggest

00:25:28.900 companies and tell me what you notice so apple that's a 48 year old company microsoft 49 um google

00:25:36.320 26 years old amazon 30 years old nvidia 31 years old meta 20 years old i mean the thing that i noticed

00:25:44.740 in that list is is most of these companies are younger than i am and the ones that are older not

00:25:50.200 by very much um what do you pick up about the eu's biggest companies uh neslay 158 years old

00:25:57.620 roche 128 years old hermes 187 years old total energies a bit of a spring chicken only 100 years

00:26:05.980 old siemens 177 years old and alliance 134 years old um i mean the eu is just this dead sclottic mess

00:26:16.700 you have endless deregulation which is serving not what the leftist says that it's serving

00:26:24.240 the sort of um and this regulation not deregulation no endless regulation in the eu yep and that creates

00:26:32.480 you know all these massive first mover advantage advantages and you have entry barriers

00:26:37.800 it's in it's much more difficult to build a new company in an environment that is stifling you

00:26:46.000 with regulation than in an environment that does it less the cost of great to a lesser degree the cost

00:26:51.880 of making you know forming a company in the u.s is much lower than that of europe isn't it in most

00:26:56.540 european countries at least there are some exceptions but very much so the the u.s has has it right on the

00:27:02.620 policy standpoint and that's why they've got much younger companies is that there's more competition

00:27:07.140 going on there a lot more dyno and apart from cost i want to say this because i think it really speaks

00:27:12.140 to my heart is it's also bureaucracy and the time you need to waste with um starting it you may need

00:27:20.420 months where you could just need two or three weeks exactly and um carl makes quite a good point about

00:27:26.960 the the british state and it's basically the last vestige of the british empire it retreated and it

00:27:32.820 retreated and it retreated and now it's basically just westminster and and they're sort of still

00:27:37.580 tyrannizing us with these sort of old ideas uh the concern with the eu is it is going to be the last

00:27:43.400 vestige of um you know um all these failed post-war ideas and they seem to be taking in a lot of um

00:27:51.780 sort of u.s deep state actors um in exile and and it's just going to become this sort of rump state

00:27:58.760 for the post-war uh liberal ideology um so uh i i i wish elon musk and x the uh the very best of luck

00:28:06.580 with that one okay thank you

00:28:12.160 so this is a sort of age-old strategy that has come to the surface once more uh right-wingers are

00:28:21.840 being branded dangers to children and uh there's a very specific case of this a guy called jamie

00:28:27.120 michael who's an iraq war veteran who has been barred from coaching his daughter's football team

00:28:32.040 um apparently the football association of wales has barred him from coaching his daughter's team

00:28:37.560 after meetings held in private with the local authority safeguarding officer and south wales

00:28:42.420 police um after he was charged with inciting racial hatred after describing some migrants as

00:28:49.980 scumbags and psychopaths not sure whether that's necessarily racial hatred those are not racially

00:28:56.020 charged terms uh in a 12 minute video posted on facebook following the southport murders so i can

00:29:03.320 understand and and to be honest if if that's all he had to say that's pretty so somebody was upset

00:29:09.260 about the murder of children and they took that to mean that he was a danger to children because he

00:29:14.000 was upset about the murder of children i know it's a strange argument isn't it yes but i think it's

00:29:19.320 because um the right's been very good at saying listen the left um are not good around children for

00:29:26.780 many reasons and of course when your entire worldview is hating your own country you're not going to

00:29:32.180 have a vested interest in preserving the next generation are you and i think it all stems from

00:29:37.040 that but of course they want to uh you know confuse them about their their sex and gender and

00:29:42.860 indoctrinate them and all sorts of things uh they don't want them to grow up normally with a healthy

00:29:47.880 childhood where they don't have to deal with politics or any of this nonsense um no they want

00:29:53.620 them all trans or aborted exactly so what i found interesting is that this this sort of processes of

00:30:01.520 the punishment case didn't take very long apparently a jury took 17 minutes to find him not guilty which

00:30:07.480 is of course a very short amount of time i mean to be fair he was probably waiting for that trial for

00:30:13.120 18 months to two years exactly and that is why the processes of the punishment is that by the time

00:30:18.120 you're found not guilty you've already incurred so much stress and financial cost i think the free

00:30:23.680 speech union ended up covering some of the financial costs of it um but i mean i've i've been on a couple

00:30:29.260 of juries and 17 minutes is quite remarkable and normally you've just gone around the room at

00:30:33.300 that point so i mean everybody must have been for it to take in 17 minutes everybody in the room must

00:30:39.740 have just burst out this is nonsense the moment they walked in and then it was just a question

00:30:44.040 of elect in fact just electing the um oh not the the guy who stands up the judge uh no no no no no

00:30:51.000 you know the the the guy on the jury who delivers the verdict oh right yeah we just electing the

00:30:55.940 foreman would have taken up 15 minutes of that so yeah they'd already made up their minds and that's

00:31:01.520 that's very rapid and of course um it was announced recently that jury trials are being scrapped for

00:31:06.860 crimes for sentences of less than three years which this would have been so had there not been a jury it

00:31:12.140 could have been the case that the judge said well this is inciting racial hatred um you know without

00:31:17.680 the jury and he had been sentenced like that um undoubtedly in my view and of course this is one

00:31:24.520 of the dangers of getting rid of trial by jury but even if um it didn't have this outcome that that

00:31:31.460 process of you know basically destroying someone's life for being annoyed at children being murdered

00:31:37.720 and then going out of your way after the fact as well obviously not through the government but

00:31:43.380 partially so i suppose with the police being involved um then interfering in his life and

00:31:48.540 saying listen you can't coach your own daughter's football team because you're not safe around

00:31:52.980 children because you don't want them to be murdered and with a charge like that they probably would

00:31:57.220 have raided his house and taken all of his computers and phones and everything and then

00:32:00.420 gone on a massive fishing expedition to see if there's anything else they could pin on him

00:32:03.660 and because there wasn't i guess that's why he managed to get away with it so easily

00:32:08.960 get away you know he didn't do anything wrong in the first place but you know what i mean

00:32:12.400 um but he is apparently suing the authorities for 25 000 for breaching his human rights and said

00:32:17.600 it makes no sense it just seems to me they want to punish me because of my opinions and because my

00:32:21.940 views don't align with theirs which is pretty much spot on isn't it and uh this this sort of gives me a

00:32:28.180 bit of deja vu um you can perhaps cast your minds back to 2012 when a ukip were headed up by nigel

00:32:34.900 farage again um and you know there was the the talk of things like we need to leave the european

00:32:41.620 union it was gaining traction of course cameron hadn't promised a referendum at this point yet

00:32:46.160 um but then they started going after uh you know i mean people with specific political views then as

00:32:52.940 well this was quite an important case at the time it had lots of coverage but basically uh rover and

00:32:57.460 borough council said that um foster children in the care of a couple who supported ukip

00:33:03.240 um they said that um the children were not indigenous white british which is interesting how

00:33:08.560 back in 2012 they could identify what that meant uh and that it had concerns about ukip's stance on

00:33:14.300 immigration it said it had to consider the need for the children longer term you know i don't know

00:33:19.880 what that exactly means and um apparently rover and borough council's strategic director of children

00:33:26.500 and young people services interesting that that's even a thing in a local council told the bbc that her

00:33:31.620 decision was influenced by ukip's immigration policy which she said calls for the end of active

00:33:37.020 promotion of multiculturalism so uh if you're against multiculturalism you can't have children in

00:33:44.440 your care can i do a brief interlude because i'm reminded of a um an interview i saw with a with an

00:33:52.060 old-fashioned communist years ago and this is woman and um at some point it came up that she'd never

00:33:56.860 had children and the other person asked well you know why was that why why have you never had children

00:34:01.500 and she said because when you are involved in radical politics the other side will always come

00:34:06.420 for your kids so all the old radical communists understood that they they they had to basically

00:34:12.440 pick they could either have families or they could have their communism but they couldn't have both

00:34:17.060 because their children would become a target um and and it just seems that you know the state has

00:34:21.960 moved to the point now where it is absolutely doing the same thing except in the opposite direction

00:34:26.460 because we are run by communists and i think because the political stakes at the minute are much higher

00:34:30.980 than they perhaps were in the past this is this sort of thing is going to carry on and of course it

00:34:35.080 already goes on to some extent in the united states already you can remember perhaps the case of the

00:34:39.940 parents on school boards objecting to things like uh you know gender ideology and and all of that sort

00:34:46.400 of thing um being in schools and taught in schools which is fair enough in my view i think that's the

00:34:51.400 whole point that you have parents involved is that they have input on the education but they try to

00:34:55.740 declare them like extremists and try to get rid of them and you know even drag their reputations

00:35:00.680 through the mud publicly to try and decentivize um people doing this in the first place and this

00:35:08.300 is exactly what's going on here they're going to use these prominent examples of listen we're going

00:35:12.340 to stop you you know um having quality time with either the children that are in your care or even

00:35:18.660 your own daughter in in a football coach setting although it's not exactly you know taking them away

00:35:24.560 permanently it is a step in that direction and i wouldn't be surprised if that is the direction that

00:35:29.980 they're going to aim for is if you're a right winger with children those children are not safe

00:35:33.980 because we hear this in rhetoric from the left all the time that um you know these children are not

00:35:39.520 safe they're being indoctrinated by their right-wing parents which of course is projection because

00:35:43.880 the left-wingers are the ones that normally want to indoctrinate children most right-wingers i know

00:35:48.620 just want children to be normal you know like uh you know to prioritize critical education learning

00:35:54.740 how to think as opposed to learning what to think and it's also worth mentioning as well that when i

00:36:00.920 was growing up i didn't have a single political conversation with my parents until i was an actual

00:36:05.740 adult they didn't even impart anything on me and yet here i am uh talking about this sort of thing

00:36:11.280 like it's same with my children the the only political conversation i've had with them is when

00:36:16.020 they come to me confused about some nonsense their teacher has said i said yeah they're just like

00:36:20.120 that just don't worry about it i think the majority right-wing opinion um is that the best thing for

00:36:26.700 for children is for them to be children and not to mess with their head with adult concepts and i think

00:36:32.640 that everyone's sort of unanimous on this i don't know whether you can even think of any any part of

00:36:38.320 the right that disagrees on that necessarily no and one of the worst features of wokeness that we

00:36:43.400 don't speak about lately is the assault on parental rights oh yes um thankfully at least the the worst

00:36:51.900 excesses of woke seem to be going away although it's not gone entirely it's sort of like an

00:36:56.360 unflushable turn i think we'll completely come back you reckon yeah i i hope you're wrong but

00:37:01.660 the best possible way um however obviously we all know the actual real danger and the right wing is

00:37:08.480 pointing out are not the problem the problem is uh things like this so there's some new data out

00:37:14.340 from germany and uh syrians and afghans reach new highs in violent crime so report indicates that

00:37:21.640 while 163 german citizens are suspected of crimes per 100 000 which is quite low actually the rates for

00:37:28.640 syrians and afghans are 1740 and 1722 respectively which means that for syrians it is 10.7 times higher

00:37:37.680 than your average german and for afghans 10.6 times higher than your average german so they're 10

00:37:43.860 times overrepresented uh in these sorts of crimes so why have them obviously they're not good for

00:37:51.560 germany look at it 10 times worse and the narrative is that uh the the rates of crime are entirely

00:38:00.020 economic based so let's tax the germans more even if more to those who are overrepresented in crime

00:38:07.740 even if you know you accept the left's framing on that which i i think that there's both you know

00:38:13.440 genetic and cultural differences at play here that it doesn't matter if it's 10 times the cause is

00:38:20.720 irrelevant there's such a danger that it's much much better for germany not to have you have to think

00:38:25.340 of the common good at some point but uh the war on meritocracy waged by the left is saying completely

00:38:32.080 forget about the common good it's not about having good people in particular places it's about the

00:38:37.380 representation of particular groups in these places well they're certainly promoting the high

00:38:42.040 flies in crime so you know they've got selective meritocracy there and uh back to britain again um

00:38:48.380 things are so bad that migrants are granted asylum without even face-to-face interviews apparently this

00:38:53.600 came out only two days ago um this is to clear the backlog and you know why even have a border at all

00:39:00.780 if you're just going to be like well we're clearing the backlog so just come on in why don't they do

00:39:05.980 that with taxes yeah that'd be nice i was late in filing my taxes why didn't i just get a letter

00:39:10.120 to say look in order to clear the backlog you don't have to pay taxes that'd be nice wouldn't it

00:39:13.860 it's funny that it doesn't work that way isn't it it's almost like that there's an incentive here

00:39:18.260 isn't there hmm i can't possibly put my finger on it so of course the the consequences are things

00:39:24.480 like this this was a recent thing where an 18 year old student um was stabbed to death while on a night

00:39:30.460 out with his football teammates um so he was from essex and uh the perpetrator was 22 year old

00:39:38.200 vikram digwa and he was assisted by kirankawa some good english names there of course

00:39:47.020 preventable problem which wouldn't have happened if we didn't allow them in the country and

00:39:53.260 there's things like this migrant who assaulted student on train can continue asylum claim so you

00:40:00.800 can just assault students on on trains and and still apply for asylum oh it's you know slap on the wrist

00:40:06.040 you know you assaulted a student that's okay i guess you can still apply apparently i don't know

00:40:11.300 what's wrong with people but uh that's uh the world we live in apparently right and this one is

00:40:16.820 particularly egregious this is um another recent one um so this is a case i think in leamington spa

00:40:24.420 of afghan asylum seekers who are hiding in some bushes and they drag uh a 15 year old girl into them

00:40:32.380 before sexually assaulting has the footage been leaked on this i haven't seen it yet there's a

00:40:38.340 certainly an appetite for it because uh i think you know what i'm referring to there yes the wasn't it

00:40:44.540 the lawyer representing boys said that if this footage comes out there'll be riots yeah which is

00:40:50.500 you know i feel like this is sort of in the public's interest not to say that i want riots necessarily

00:40:55.460 but i i want consequences i think everybody who's got a teenager needs to be able to see this and

00:41:02.580 understand what they're up against yeah because by hiding this all it's doing is misrepresenting

00:41:09.440 the reality of the situation and the reality of the situation is lots of people with names um are

00:41:15.820 responsible for letting these people into the country they face no consequences for these actions

00:41:20.960 the people doing it rarely face consequences there is a massive backlog of uh justice that needs to

00:41:27.420 be um you know addressed it does and the establishment's response to this shouldn't be just watch at the

00:41:34.960 lessons yeah yeah it's so disgusting i'm sick of seeing these stories now and of course the fact that

00:41:41.740 they're trying to say that you know this guy who was disgusted at migrants attacking children

00:41:47.440 is now the problem i mean it's i've said this before it's the daily rape that's what this country

00:41:53.180 is now it's the daily rape so um there's also i think i might be missing a link there um

00:42:01.980 but uh i think the tories were saying that you shouldn't even grant residency to the people who

00:42:09.280 are a financial drain because there is also the economic argument that just by their mere presence here

00:42:13.960 yeah um they're taking away opportunities from children as well because i mean that is true

00:42:19.320 that's the least of it but it is the rich for the tories to say that it is yeah obviously don't

00:42:23.820 trust them um but it's just showing how far things have come but as an extreme example here um this is

00:42:31.820 another story that came out relatively recently only yesterday um whereas the new leader of islamic

00:42:37.520 state his wife and children live in britain uh under taxpayer expense uh they live in social

00:42:43.520 housing in slough so is that picture real yes that's not ai generated he really looks like that

00:42:48.640 he dyed his beard red i think because muhammad had a red beard and therefore it's oh is that why

00:42:53.460 gingers always go yeah this is what i've been i've been shouting it from the rooftops in a not related

00:42:58.180 to the other islamic rooftop thing but um yeah that muhammad was a ginger he had a red beard yeah

00:43:04.040 according to the quran so it's like an extra holy thing to to have a red beard which is part of the

00:43:10.180 reason why they're so nice to gingers is no wonder he didn't have any friends until he was 40

00:43:14.780 and and then he hit upon the business model of if you're a muslim you can attack um christian and

00:43:22.220 jewish caravans and you get to keep 70 of it and kick the rest up to me or 90 and kick the rest up to

00:43:28.200 me i didn't know that is interesting so this guy actually fled to somalia when he was being

00:43:33.600 investigated and left his family behind so uh if the islamic state stuff wasn't enough to condemn him

00:43:39.300 uh leaving his family behind is probably another thing he looks like a jewish old battery

00:43:43.360 i know what you mean but um there was another case that i'm gonna read out because uh it's not in the

00:43:53.120 the links um go away uh pop-ups i'm just reading it from my laptop but it's from the manchester evening

00:43:59.260 news of an afghan national accused of sexually assaulting two girls um of the age of 14 in greater

00:44:04.780 manchester and this was a story that came out just before we went live so this is multiple examples

00:44:10.500 that all of these news stories have come out in just the past couple of days and so it really goes

00:44:15.980 to show the extent of the problem when these things that should be um morally reprehensible

00:44:22.760 and unacceptable on a yearly basis are happening almost every day or the daily rape

00:44:28.540 so i didn't want to just leave you um miserable i suppose and so i've gone to the boss man carl for

00:44:37.760 a bit of optimism to end on and and carl says it's worth remembering that you gov recently found that

00:44:42.780 45 percent of people who support re-migration already and the campaign has barely got started

00:44:48.280 well also that's an online poll link to your real name so how many people didn't want to put in

00:44:55.800 their own name linked to their own email that they support it it could easily be five percent it

00:45:01.740 could already be a majority i wouldn't be surprised actually and i think also it's the way you frame

00:45:06.700 these sorts of things um if you say like if someone commits a crime in our country and and uh they're

00:45:12.420 not you know native british i want to get them out before they committed the crime well yeah or it's

00:45:18.120 also like should people from countries that are dangerous be allowed in the country you frame it like

00:45:22.720 that and all of a sudden they're like oh no no no but the the framing effect in polling is a very real

00:45:27.480 thing so i think there is potential for it to be more significant and of course you gov being what

00:45:32.480 it is there's an incentive to underrepresent this sort of thing and so there is hope obviously the

00:45:39.220 solution to this is sending the people home that cause these sorts of problems as we saw in germany

00:45:44.520 over 10 times overrepresented in crime there's no reason for these people to be here they have no

00:45:51.480 claim to be here they have no compatibility with our lifestyle the obvious solution to all of these

00:45:56.780 problems is send them back so the man uh at the uh the start of this story just being angry at there

00:46:04.040 being a problem this is peanuts compared to what needs to actually be done oh yeah this chap's a model

00:46:09.440 okay are there any more rants coming through yeah not seeing anything at the minute i don't know

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00:46:24.240 maybe they're not donating to us because we're late yeah quite possible it's our fault

00:46:31.820 we are searching to see if there are any lost rumble rants at the minute we don't see anything

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00:46:48.120 hey look it's me i can see myself oh really so do i have the mouse

00:46:54.260 thank you let's see if this is working before we start great everything seems to be working

00:47:01.380 i think we should talk a bit about the upcoming midterms in november the 3rd of 2026 in the u.s

00:47:09.560 and i want to talk a bit about the previous ones but also some strategies that republicans and people

00:47:16.640 who are in that sphere are debating and i will be talking towards the end about one that

00:47:23.260 is seems to me to be completely um mistaken but also very popular in some circles so i'll be

00:47:31.780 expressing my views just as i do every other time right so this are going to be very consequential

00:47:39.060 midterms we have 35 of 100 senate election seats that are contested all house elections contested 435

00:47:49.260 voting members and also we are going to have 39 uh seats contested in gubernatorial elections

00:47:57.780 so it's it's like governor yeah right so last uh time depends on when you consider last time to be is

00:48:08.420 it midterms 2022 or mid midterms 2020 2018 uh in midterms 2022 there was this talk of the red wave

00:48:19.240 we didn't see any kind of red wave but we did see a sort of victory but that wasn't when trump was in

00:48:25.160 that was when joseph joe biden was in be fair it was mainly the left talking about a red wave so

00:48:31.600 that when it didn't transpire they could say oh look well yeah i think that there is an effect

00:48:37.700 in american politics where the midterms during a presidency always goes in the favor whoever

00:48:44.460 um who doesn't hold the presidency or whoever's not the main sort of ascendant force at the time

00:48:51.580 and there's always a sort of out group preference amongst the electorate and this has been an

00:48:55.760 observable trend for quite some time right and in the midterms of 2018 that's what happened to trump

00:49:03.320 and here trump lost in the house of representatives the republican party that is

00:49:09.180 and there were lots of people who were giving a sort of interpretation of what happened and they said

00:49:15.960 that the number one priority was the economy then in other cases they mentioned the stance that trump

00:49:22.700 had with respect to the affordable care act depending depending on who you ask you're going

00:49:27.960 to get a different answer but the economy was a major bit and just to let me just to add there was also

00:49:35.060 dissatisfaction in some cases with trump's personal style and i will say this it seems to me that

00:49:40.880 trump style is like marmite you either love it or you hate it that's not going to translate well

00:49:45.780 across the island but even if but even if you love it you love it when you agree with him you hate it

00:49:50.780 when you disagree with him so it's there's a double effect there on you either like like what he's

00:49:57.000 doing or you hate him and he does lots of things during the day are you saying trump is a divisive

00:50:01.860 figure stelios is that what you're saying controversial point right and uh last time when trump was in power

00:50:10.120 that was in the when he was trump 45 the republican party in the midterms lost 41 seats in the u.s house

00:50:18.660 of representatives and it's considered to be a massive loss in it and a massive gain for the democrats so

00:50:27.140 it was considered to be one of the best midterms for the democrats right so we do have

00:50:33.180 the midterms coming for the 2026 period and it looks like there is a considerable disapproval of

00:50:44.980 trump he's in one of the lows of his uh approval ratings he's close to 36 percent approval rating

00:50:52.260 right now it's considered to be his second low the second was i believe 34 percent when he was trump 45

00:51:01.760 that was during the first term so it looks like things are difficult for trump for the

00:51:08.220 upcoming midterms and um here we have an article by josh that is me um would you like me to talk

00:51:16.580 about my basic argument about this so my argument is that trump announced this on thanksgiving obviously

00:51:22.760 just about a year before the upcoming elections and of course a year away from those elections is

00:51:29.860 normally when campaigning gets kicked off and he's he came out with this big announcement about

00:51:34.480 immigration there should be a list somewhere um there it is all of these different measures like

00:51:41.320 permanent pause and migration from all third world countries removing people even with uh legal

00:51:46.980 citizenship which is unprecedented this was not necessarily an extension of him targeting illegals

00:51:52.860 at the southern border this was quite a shift in his uh political ambitions and why did this happen

00:51:59.560 now and this is something i didn't see anyone ask and one of the things um that um has happened is

00:52:07.320 that not only did he win a court case um that allows him greater powers to exact enact executive orders

00:52:15.900 back in june which means he can do these sorts of things but also um there is this upcoming election

00:52:21.780 but there is another thing here that i think is um important and it starts here basically um trump

00:52:29.820 has angered parts of the right including myself um for you know admitting things like 600 000 chinese

00:52:37.340 students despite being critical about that sort of thing as well as accelerating um legal immigration

00:52:42.960 through the h1b visa scheme and these are to be fair of those 600 000 some of them might actually

00:52:48.620 be students they can't all be spies i know that that the argument was purely economic just like

00:52:54.160 these universities need these students to be able to to carry on existing but of course from a national

00:53:00.700 security perspective this is madness so it seems like he's been prioritizing the priorities of the tech

00:53:08.600 sector over his own base because these things are not popular with his base i think everyone can admit

00:53:14.880 that um that he received criticism from very dedicated voters and uh what he's trying to do

00:53:21.320 is silence these critics on his right um by saying listen i'm going harder than ever on immigration

00:53:28.600 therefore he's uh going to you know preserve some credibility and have a galvanized base because one

00:53:35.840 of the problems with trump will be um that people voted for him as president and then the enthusiasm for

00:53:41.680 him has waned because he's been a little bit milquetoast he's not really done as much as people

00:53:45.400 wanted he's hyped up as this big boogeyman and has not really done a lot and in fact done the opposite

00:53:50.880 of what people want in many cases and um one thing i think that is going on here he's he's trying to

00:53:58.340 insulate vance so he can inherit a clean slate down the line because there have been lots of

00:54:05.300 things like the leak of the yemen group chat to a journalist which is a very strange mistake to make

00:54:10.800 and then the one person in it who's saying we shouldn't be doing this is jd vance and also jd

00:54:15.500 vance has been going against trump and saying listen we shouldn't be funding ukraine and of course trump

00:54:20.040 being trump doesn't like people going against him so it has to be a deliberate strategy obviously but

00:54:25.380 anyway i'm sorry i've gone on long enough trump is uh pushing this um of policy on migration and there

00:54:33.320 are there is considerable debate with respect to why he may be doing it but there is also the other

00:54:38.520 massive issue it has to do with the tariffs and it looks like the the economy isn't particularly

00:54:46.060 doing well at least in the minds of of people maybe it is doing well maybe the tariffs are gonna bring

00:54:53.240 forth uh more benefits that people haven't seen yet but uh it looks like many people are criticizing

00:55:01.260 the policies and let me just say it says here that much of the drop in where

00:55:06.380 excuse me there there is a missing link there

00:55:12.760 anyway i'll just i'll just say it right so it looks like many people are saying that the tariffs are

00:55:23.740 pushing prices up and this is creating a this is creating pressure for the economy and this is one

00:55:31.420 of the main problems that trump has with with some of his base some of the people in his base right so

00:55:41.420 here it says trump's approval rating dips as views of his handling of the economy sour the shift while

00:55:47.260 small is notable after months of stability in president trump's approval rating here they are talking about

00:55:53.020 something like a four percent shift which is sizable but uh they are also saying that the promise that

00:56:03.100 trump made with his tariffs doesn't seem to be visible to to the economy well i mean it takes a bit of a

00:56:11.980 time to watch and it says here there is scant evidence to date of any wholesale return to american towns and

00:56:17.980 cities of the manufacturing jobs lost to decades of automation and globalization and he finds himself

00:56:24.780 in the position that biden did in early 2024 telling americans they're doing great when many don't feel

00:56:31.100 that way he has dismissed talk of high prices at grocery stores insisting they're coming down but

00:56:37.820 inflation edged upward in september to about a three percent annual increase manufacturing jobs have

00:56:44.060 continued to decline gradually this year with losses of roughly 50 000 since january and uh it says that

00:56:53.580 trump tried on monday to portray the 12 billion dollars in emergency relief for farmers as a victory

00:56:59.740 another piece of evidence at least to him that his decision to impose the highest tariffs on american

00:57:05.100 imports since 1930 are working or will soon so there is considerable dissatisfaction with the economy

00:57:11.980 and there is a debate that with respect to whether this is to be credited or blamed to the tariffs or

00:57:17.980 not some people say no some people say yes i'm of the opinion as i've said in the day when he put it

00:57:25.260 forward that um overall this seems to create more problem than it solves well i mean it's being judged by

00:57:33.340 left-wing journalists at this stage i mean he's going to take a while to come through not alone we will see how

00:57:40.060 this um affects his um like his uh approval with with the republicans as well it isn't just uh leftist

00:57:47.980 journalists who suddenly started care care about free market economics trump's approval rating drops to

00:57:55.100 36 percent new second term low and here what it says is that there is a trend of falling um approval with

00:58:04.780 the independence so they're saying that with respect to republicans he has lost some of the approval he

00:58:12.060 had but he has taken a massive dip of approval with the independence so here it's 46 percent the beginning

00:58:20.540 of this year now it has fallen to 25 percent according to this study there are other studies as well

00:58:26.540 to always take these with a pinch of souls but it look with a pinch of soul but it looks like he is

00:58:32.300 losing support with independence right and i want to say now i want to talk now about the other bit

00:58:40.220 with respect to a debate on the on online spaces with respect to the strategy of the republican party and

00:58:49.820 what strategy it must use in order to win the election and i'm gonna be i'm gonna be very unpopular and

00:58:55.660 just go out and say i think that flirting with the triad of candace owens tucker carlson and and nick

00:59:04.780 fuentes is going to be an absolute disaster for the republican party if not for any other reason it's

00:59:10.860 really bad for for the independence it will completely drive them away it is going to give the perfect

00:59:17.980 argument to the left to say hey look we're not that radical we warned you uh all of these guys are

00:59:25.020 exactly what we told you they were so it's a perfect gift to the democrats not just the demo

00:59:32.140 i'm not i'm not sure i agree with that one yeah okay that part myself the the americans do need to

00:59:39.740 clear out their rhinos and that was what the last election for us was our zero seats campaign against

00:59:45.180 the tories was not because we wanted the labor government it's because we wanted to clear out

00:59:48.860 our version of rhinos and america hasn't really been through that yet and pushing it they are

00:59:56.380 against the um boom of truth shibboleths um all of those characters you mentioned the candace owens

01:00:02.460 and nick fuentes and the tucker carlson's are you know we don't have to adopt their policy positions but

01:00:07.500 there does need to be a clearer and a challenging of establishment conservative figures yeah but i i think

01:00:12.300 that there is a contradiction here especially with some voices within the camp you mentioned not

01:00:17.180 definitely not all of them it's you when you say well if the left is gonna the left is so radical

01:00:24.540 that if it wins it's gonna capture the state and win a total war against the right but let's just lose

01:00:32.140 these elections well the problem i don't consider that to be a winning strategy i consider that to be

01:00:36.460 basically a stab in the back of the of the republican party because yeah but overwhelming majority of

01:00:42.780 the overwhelming majority of the of american voters show much more respect for the u.s founding fathers

01:00:50.300 and uh and their philosophy of constitutionalism than uh european mid-century absolutists and there's a

01:00:57.340 vocal minority that tries to allegedly co-opt the silent majority of the republican space but i'm willing

01:01:05.660 i'm i'm willing to bet as i've heard by every republican in the u.s they side with a i totally

01:01:11.740 get you were saying and it would have been better the rhino problem being cleared out 10 years ago

01:01:16.620 but and and i do appreciate what you're saying but it does need to be addressed at some point

01:01:21.260 well i have a quick question actually um i you you're talking about them potentially you know being

01:01:29.180 pulled in a direction by these three figures um it might just be that i've not been these three three

01:01:35.180 figures so i've i've not been paying that much attention to us politics so it could just be

01:01:39.180 that i've missed it but um is what's the sort of evidence to suggest that they're listening to these

01:01:44.780 people at all i don't to be honest i don't think that they are particularly that trump especially

01:01:49.660 listens to these figures uh there have been arguments to the effect that trump is trying to

01:01:54.300 placate them and to placate the people that they express but one of the major problem is it's not that

01:02:02.220 they represent the majority of the u.s republicans but one of the major problem with them is that they

01:02:07.980 are repeatedly telling people to not vote and here let me give you an example this is what happened

01:02:15.020 when it came to tucker to tucker carlson now says the republican party is almost to the point

01:02:22.220 where it's just useless i'm gonna have to oppose it i'm i hate them too much um fuentes was saying

01:02:29.980 don't vote there are links here that there that should have been here better not um

01:02:37.100 yeah fuentes was telling notoriously people to not vote for trump candace owens says the same so

01:02:44.460 the problem with them is that they can convince a small number of people to not go and vote

01:02:50.860 but do you think that'll be enough to affect trump's chances or is that not going to be a small fringe

01:02:56.140 do you reckon i believe it is a small fringe it can though create problems it can definitely create

01:03:03.260 problems in a situation where the republican party seems to be losing approval for trump and it needs

01:03:10.380 to galvanize and the question is right now is it going to placate people who are saying let's go back

01:03:16.460 to the let's be a bit more traditional american or people who are representing a kind of way of viewing

01:03:23.820 things that has nothing to do with a general american temperament i think if trump actually

01:03:27.980 does follow through on lots of his immigration promises lots of the people that might follow

01:03:31.660 these commentators would be more than happy with that and say okay actually he is doing good things

01:03:35.900 maybe we should should support him and maybe there'd be a small radical fringe but it wouldn't be enough

01:03:41.340 to to shift his electoral chances that much because also forget that these are online followings and so

01:03:46.540 they're not going to be concentrated in any one area and have a significantly damaging effect

01:03:51.100 electorally um and so i think if if trump does demonstrate some tangible improvements which he

01:03:56.780 should be doing anyway and i've been very critical of him uh for not doing then he these people might

01:04:03.580 not be that much of a threat for him um he if he loses he will mainly lose because of the economy

01:04:11.500 the point is though that these people are not helping and let me give you a few examples here

01:04:15.900 and wokeness i think i completely agree with him says charlie was assassinated by leftists his death

01:04:21.180 was cheered on by leftists and instead of uniting the right against the evil we're up against um people

01:04:27.260 blame tp usa yeah candace owens is insane yeah also uh timpool and good for him he called her out he said

01:04:37.340 if if this goes on he he said we're gonna lose the midterms let me put him

01:04:43.420 it's a huey says tim i work in construction and experience the same thing my co-workers are all

01:04:49.180 in on the charlie kirk conspiracies if the republicans lose in the midterms i believe that candace owens is

01:04:56.300 wholly responsible yeah that's she is uh one of the biggest podcasts on the right doing everything

01:05:03.660 to go to war with the organization that helped get trump elected turning point specifically was going

01:05:11.500 out and registering people to vote without charlie it's in trouble turning point needs to be able to

01:05:17.980 go out and rally young people and register them to vote and she's doing everything she can to destroy

01:05:22.860 that and that is going to i suppose it's going to rip out the coffers on the right there is no

01:05:31.500 organization like like turning point that exists anywhere else that has the resources and the reach

01:05:36.700 and without charlie i'm not sure that they can make it but i can tell you this candace lighting

01:05:41.500 a molotov and throwing it to the window is not helping and it's it's the most demoralizing thing

01:05:47.740 ever additionally all of the fucking cowards on the right who are too scared to say anything about her

01:05:55.820 because she tweets at me talking shit or whatever and then a bunch of people come and flood our chat i

01:06:00.700 could give a single flying fuck you can come and you can burn everything i have to the ground and

01:06:06.700 i will happily live in a van down by the river i don't care to be number one i don't need to be number

01:06:10.940 one what i care about is what is true and what will help this country and what works and so i think

01:06:17.580 that there i think he is correct about uh lots of things but uh if trump loses the midterms most probably

01:06:25.180 is going to be the economy right but i do think and i do agree with him that people of this of this

01:06:32.220 side they can represent a massive disruption for the midterms wasn't candace owens talking about like

01:06:38.220 charlie coming to her and confessing things in in her dreams yeah i mentioned it yesterday the lady is

01:06:44.380 is crazy but also i want to say that um ever since june i have been incredibly suspicious of some figures

01:06:50.300 and when i see particular figures aligning on particular matters it's always a red red alert

01:06:57.340 button for me because they frequently trash each other that's that could be smoke and mirrors but

01:07:05.020 it all started especially with the world war three discussion especially when you know it's june

01:07:11.740 with operation midnight hammer we have people like marion gainsa saying world war three has officially

01:07:17.100 begun thanks to israel then tucker was saying it's worth pointing out that a strike on the

01:07:22.620 iranian nuclear facilities will almost certainly result in thousands of american deaths in the

01:07:27.900 middle east he was playing that card fuentes was saying the same watch how the rhetoric changes about

01:07:34.860 war with iran we shouldn't go on the offensive against iran well it's a limited strike there's no

01:07:39.340 bullet on the ground here's why this isn't like iraq so there was candace owen saying the same

01:07:46.220 now then they started they started trashing each other but uh now they align yet again when it

01:07:52.700 comes to the when it comes to the republican party and all of them attack and say i don't want to

01:07:57.020 dissent too much but again i've got i've got a heretical view on that as well in that that's what's

01:08:02.060 good about us yeah when yeah indeed uh when the strikes on iran were first being talked about it was

01:08:10.540 far more open-ended and it was far broader than that and the american right pushed back against it

01:08:17.180 and it ended up being a very telegraphed very limited strike which is a lot different to where

01:08:22.860 it was originally headed yeah but i can i what i completely um find suspicious in this is that it's

01:08:29.020 it's entire i think that this is an entirely a narrative oriented narrative because what it does it

01:08:36.220 says that it presupposes that trump had an intention for putting boots on the ground instead of doing

01:08:42.940 a limited strike well he's man the reason why it's like james whitlock says here which person i think

01:08:48.620 this is an incredibly braindead take he says respectfully disagree mtg alex jones tacker put enough

01:08:55.740 pressure on president trump and israel to make a ceasefire the only option into essentially framing it as

01:09:02.940 trump was this and to the extent that he didn't start a new war it's to be credited upon that again

01:09:10.380 time i mean i guess you don't know do you because you you can't see how the how the um realities would

01:09:16.380 have branched at that point but he is normally fairly straightforward about what he says yeah but

01:09:20.540 but one of the things is that no one knows no one knows no one knows and these people were incredibly

01:09:25.980 certain so i mean i'm i'm very comfortable with saying i don't know or i don't think there will be yeah

01:09:31.820 world war iii i mean so what what you're saying seems to me to apply much more to them because

01:09:36.060 they were i mean betting on the americans putting back with evidence yeah but betting on americans

01:09:41.260 putting boots on the ground in somewhere sandy is is not an outrageous reach i mean it's not

01:09:45.820 outrageous and i'm not concerned with the worry yeah concerned with the worry i think my i think my

01:09:52.220 high level concern is this is three years out from the next presidential election if you're not gonna

01:09:58.220 you know attack the um you know sclerotic tendencies the rhinos if you're not going to do it now when

01:10:04.860 are you going to do it i think there's also a couple of um things on top of this as well that

01:10:10.460 opposing u.s intervention in the middle east is important i think opposing boots on the ground

01:10:15.420 it's been a disaster you shouldn't be giving money to foreign countries for their defense you

01:10:19.660 know so you know their objection to funding israel i think is perfectly legitimate um i just think that

01:10:25.020 all of the rhetoric about it's going to be world war three and things like that was obviously

01:10:29.020 sensationalist and a little bit click-baity design for the internet um and i find it very annoying

01:10:33.820 people talking about world war three i'm very much in the nothing ever happens camp of you know

01:10:37.740 the world will carry on in much the same way it will and not a lot will change um there's a lot

01:10:43.580 of talk but not really much in the way of change however i think that the the people pushing back on

01:10:49.660 things like um uh funding israel and the like they're important because they're saying this

01:10:55.660 money could be spent at home rather than defense of a country who wouldn't do the same in return

01:11:01.580 yes um there was another link the penultimate link that i don't see there

01:11:12.060 yeah thank you

01:11:12.700 right okay and i want to say i want to speak a bit about yesterday's interview of fuentes on

01:11:22.140 on ps morgan and i want to say something because what seems to me to be happening is that there are

01:11:27.660 several people who are falling high with their own supply and they can do what i think you mentioned before

01:11:34.620 the track the differences between what works in some particular online spaces where niche maxing and

01:11:44.140 niche loading is the name of the game and what works offline and i think that this is this is going

01:11:52.220 to be an electoral disaster for the republicans and for a republican presidential candidate for the 48th

01:12:01.020 presidency if they openly flirt with a philosophy that says women shouldn't vote and hitler was cool

01:12:10.700 they're going to lose they're going to scare all the independents and they're going to alienate lots

01:12:15.340 of their traditional voters um lots of women voted for trump that that's not exactly the message

01:12:22.700 that seemed to be that seems to be well uh well calibrated in order to appeal in order to

01:12:30.300 to galvanize the republican voters and also i will say this again um the average american i'm willing

01:12:36.300 to bet but i may not be certain i may be completely mistaken about this maybe i'm terminally online but

01:12:42.780 i think that my the average american has much more respect for the founding fathers and their philosophy

01:12:50.380 of constitutionalism that informed the drafting of the u.s constitution than they have for hitlerian

01:12:55.980 absolutism because someone just wants to to appear based there what works real life politics actual

01:13:02.860 politics is not just rhetoric actual life politics requires coalition building these people just have

01:13:10.860 made a name out of uh appearing to be the non-compromises if they ever going to compromise their

01:13:17.900 audience and they are audience captured we'll say you guys sold out you're 7k steps ahead because

01:13:23.820 you sold out and they're gonna be destroyed but aren't you just making an argument for

01:13:27.740 censorism here i'm no absolutely not absolutely not not making an argument for sense i mean i i mean

01:13:34.620 just just just for the record i don't think women should vote but i mean i suppose i'm not running for

01:13:38.380 but but but i mean but all the same he is someone like fluentes no no i mean i can't i can't disagree

01:13:44.700 with him without calling for him to be censored yeah no i can say that i don't i can say that i don't

01:13:51.420 like centrism not censor what centrism not censor okay so sorry yeah but um is is nick fluentes is he

01:14:00.540 reflecting the concerns of his generation which is actually we we cared about getting stabbed on the

01:14:06.620 necks in trains in inner cities more than we care about you know hollywood narratives about the

01:14:12.620 second world war is is he reflecting what his generation actually thinks or is he creating

01:14:18.620 this thought because i think you're framing him as he's going out there and creating this line of

01:14:22.460 thought and i don't think he's not i just don't think the zoomers give a shit about what the boomers

01:14:26.540 cared about well the boomers are voting and if you want to if if you're concerned about the if you're

01:14:33.100 concerned about state capture and a left that is portrayed as murderous we can't lock ourselves

01:14:39.900 into the boom of truth narrative until you know in 2064 when the last one pops off yeah but there

01:14:46.460 there are several issues here number one is he reflecting the concerns of some zoomers yes does

01:14:52.540 that mean that because he's reflecting the concerns of them some zoomers that a lot of other people who

01:14:58.140 disagree with him reflect that we should constantly say that whatever fuentes says is based absolutely

01:15:05.180 not there are there are many people who are reflecting these concerns yeah but if you're they're

01:15:11.500 right they're integrating within another uh different philosophy and when it comes to the centrism bit

01:15:18.140 um there's a question with respect to what is the center and my answer is that to an element of the

01:15:24.220 right any deviation from their own part is centrism or leftism so that's a very interesting discussion

01:15:33.180 to have should go on the terminology i just think if you're if you're a right-wing us boomer you've

01:15:38.860 got your mark levins and you've got your you know you you've got your characters you can follow but

01:15:43.820 that stick just doesn't work with the zoomers they they don't care about boomer truth they don't care

01:15:49.340 being told that they they have to operate on this guilt project just for just for being white i don't

01:15:56.140 think i don't care about seeing their country i don't see that there is a guilt project here i'm

01:16:01.740 i'm equally concerned with with the men the problems you're mentioning with with multiculturalism i do

01:16:08.220 this all the time for years now sure um focusing on a problem doesn't mean you have the solutions

01:16:15.260 for instance lots of people especially from that side are saying marx was correct about identifying

01:16:21.020 the problems i think he was not but these people frequently say yes that's why they also love stalin

01:16:26.940 it doesn't mean does doesn't mean that they agree with his solutions with their solutions absolutely

01:16:31.980 not so in the same way the same argument applies here to the extent that he may be representing the

01:16:37.740 concern of a segment of zoomers i don't think that this is necessarily this speaks for all zoomers by

01:16:45.500 the way in the same way that the clavicular guy in the lux maxing community doesn't represent all

01:16:51.260 zoomers it's the controversial bit gets this proportional amount of attention so in the same

01:16:56.700 way that he may be echoing these these problems and these concerns doesn't mean that he has good

01:17:03.580 solutions to offer it doesn't mean that the other people who can have the same concern cannot integrate

01:17:10.780 them in a different solution i don't know i i'm kind of team tucker myself and i think fluentes has

01:17:19.820 some interesting things to say that's going to be that's really funny things to see and that's why

01:17:23.980 we're a great channel yes there's one thing you can say about fuentes is to borrow uh some parlance from

01:17:30.860 uh the african-american community he does scare the hose i mean not voting in the this stuff however

01:17:39.980 you know his stuff on israel i can understand and appreciate it we've had a lot of mention vote

01:17:46.940 either i'm not being sure i don't care about what actually i don't care about the characterization

01:17:54.780 it's some people will always say you're you're a leftist either we'll always say you're a centrist

01:17:59.820 either we'll always say whatever they want johnny good right um oh here we go look it's fired up

01:18:06.220 the the rumble rants have started flowing through we haven't forgotten you don't worry let's let's

01:18:12.460 have a look at that then right so um uh oh yes so so after we after we made that comment dystopian 1984

01:18:21.420 said i'm a poor white man mic check so there we go you managed to get it started again um there's a

01:18:27.180 comment from uh sigal stone which i'm not going to read out he's basically complaining that we don't

01:18:31.340 read out some of his comments um chris uh 1288 uh says to be fair tucker has a uh point on troops in

01:18:39.100 the middle east americans have a habit of middle eastern goo stepping um uh sigal stone here says uh

01:18:46.380 we do respect the founding fathers that's why women and anyone who doesn't own land shouldn't vote yes

01:18:51.820 yes absolutely right sir you keep posting sense like that i'll read more out um that's the system

01:18:57.660 they created uh cranky texan says tucker is trying to rescue fluentes by extension his followers you

01:19:05.020 can't pull someone out of a pit without extending a hand yeah i think i think he's trying to kind of

01:19:09.900 teach him table manners and how to dress properly you see how then fuentes went down and says you're a fed

01:19:16.140 i mean tucker's dad was in the cia so it's pretty cheap shot isn't it but you can see why he's made

01:19:23.980 i mean i don't know no but i'm just i just want to say that when you have people who make a career

01:19:29.660 out of non-compromise they can they invariably destroy any kind of association that requires

01:19:35.740 compromise and actual life politics requires compromise um i think we've been compromising for

01:19:43.260 the left for 70 years to such an extent that it's ruined western nations so i'm i'm up for a little

01:19:49.100 bit less compromise personally but you don't have to go back to 70 years to talk about uh well pick any

01:19:55.020 equation in the last 70 years we've been compromising with a minute it's in our face yeah it's social yeah

01:20:00.460 it's socialism um and and and um krista 1288 says uh white guilt equals cuckold porn discuss

01:20:10.460 uh i can see what you're trying to associate there in that you're basically going against your

01:20:18.460 own interests but i don't know if there's a direct association but i think you should tease both

01:20:25.100 parties in the same exact way um do we have some of the video comments

01:20:31.100 ah that that has crashed as well apparently uh for those of you couldn't hear that i don't know

01:20:39.980 if you can but uh no um everything is falling apart i can see steam coming out uh from behind

01:20:45.740 the editors windows a wheel has just rolled across the studio nothing is working but um hopefully the

01:20:52.060 comments we will show the video comments tomorrow let's have a look are there comments at the bottom of

01:20:58.220 this document i can see that oh there we go so i'll do some from mine and then i'll hand it over

01:21:03.740 to you um wonderful chaps um kevin fox uh pro eu people love government so they so much they want an

01:21:11.420 unelected um commission to governor uh government a government a government to govern their government

01:21:17.500 yes a bit of a tongue twister but i got there in the end thank you very much made me work for my money

01:21:22.540 um angel brain says the eu hate musk because he demonstrates what will be important over the

01:21:28.860 next hundred years governments don't create wealth they control money musk is a huge problem

01:21:33.340 because he represents efficiency in technology replacing central government yes it is high time

01:21:38.300 that a new governmental model emerged because our existing governmental model works on basically

01:21:44.940 postal system and represented is getting on a horse and going off to a national capital and

01:21:51.820 representing and just none of these none of these limitations that were inherent in the design of

01:21:57.820 modern democracies apply anymore um what have we got um roman observer one or two on one or two

01:22:04.860 occasions some european tech um innovators had accidents in the last 50 years come to mind i'm not sure

01:22:10.780 what you're referring to so do expand on that because that's that's an interesting aspect um lord

01:22:18.540 who to tie i think um dan i watch your brokonomics good man uh on the possibility of an imf bailout and

01:22:27.740 it seems that re-migration is not economically possible um is it physically morally or even

01:22:34.540 legally possible but not economically possible am i wrong uh i'd really like to be wrong no i no i do

01:22:40.060 think it's um economically possible that the the issue with the imf bailout is is the way they rig the

01:22:45.500 numbers is they say okay what's the gdp per capita of a person well let's just import like 10 million

01:22:52.620 more persons and assume they're going to have the same gdp per capita and on the basis of that we can

01:22:57.820 borrow but these are bullshit assumptions so and and i think if you presented the market with a more

01:23:03.420 logically coherent framework they would they would probably be happy with it because it clearly is

01:23:07.660 nonsense um dangerous children of course i hope there aren't dangerous children um kevin fox says if you

01:23:14.140 have an asylum claim in the system and you get arrested for any crime you should be brought in

01:23:18.220 by the home office for face-to-face interviews bundled into a police van and taken in shackles

01:23:22.540 straight to the airport and flown out i have a very dangerous idea that is we shouldn't accept any

01:23:27.020 asylum claims because if people are fleeing their country unless they're an allied country and it's

01:23:31.500 women and children uh if they're fighting age men who cares why are you abandoning your country

01:23:36.540 you are a coward um omar awad says is there a quicker way to make right-wingers a danger to

01:23:41.900 politicians than to endanger their relationship with their children the real irony is that judges

01:23:46.540 they use to perpetrate this injustice will casually release convicted dangers to children

01:23:50.860 back to the street i've seen many examples of this of judges that have cracked down on right-wing

01:23:56.220 thought and then it people do some digging on them oh they released a sex offender or they

01:24:01.660 released a pedophile and it's like with no criminal charges or at least no prison time and then

01:24:07.980 the right winger will get far more time for whatever they did az desert rat says um did he

01:24:14.140 say that people who murdered children were evil scumbags or did he say all migrants were evil um the

01:24:19.580 the mail article characterized it as some migrants so it seems like he was selective in what he was

01:24:26.140 saying or at least that's how it was presented i don't have the uh the video to hand so i wasn't able

01:24:31.260 to check it um but either way i don't care whether it's all migrants or some migrants you should be

01:24:39.260 able to say that you know it's it's a very light thing he wasn't he wasn't calling for explicit

01:24:45.260 violence towards them so what's the problem theodore brewer thank you tucker katarlson has been more

01:24:51.100 israel last not america first nick fuentes is a moron and candace owen is a grifter geordie swordsman

01:24:57.820 the real splitter on the american right is between those who actively want to lose because they're

01:25:02.300 addicted to losing and those who won't accept anything less than perfection now damn it so we'll

01:25:07.820 sit out and proceed to lose um george hap trump promised no new wars and yet he bombed another

01:25:13.740 country on behalf of israel as imperfect as they are i'm glad that there are some on the right who

01:25:18.700 called him out on it if being principal leads to some reshuffling of the uni party in the midterms then

01:25:24.140 so be it so if we live people get keep forgetting about the big ask don't they he asks he makes a

01:25:30.860 massive claim or offer that isn't realistic but then as he walks it a step back it looks like the

01:25:36.700 other person got a good deal and he got what he actually wanted he wrote a book about this we should

01:25:44.220 expect this from him he makes massive asks with the intention of taking a step back eventually so the

01:25:50.460 person he is making a deal with will be happy this is precisely how he has been acting ever since he

01:25:57.660 got involved into politics if not before that of course you don't want to if the person you're

01:26:02.860 negotiating with is a democrat then giving them any sort of you know throwing them a bone after they go

01:26:08.860 after him relentlessly like they're not making concessions to him and so you've got a sort of

01:26:13.260 um prisoner's dilemma situation kind of did now with the shutdown they back down and they cave to him

01:26:20.460 that's true michael drabel bis unfortunately with maga a contingent is too lazy to consistently

01:26:26.700 show up to the polls which is really dangerous if you want to fix things you must show up and vote

01:26:32.700 um geordie swordsman clearing them out is all well and good necessary even but not even but no when

01:26:40.860 your enemy is explicitly running on the platform of we are going to effing kill you

01:26:46.380 uh an honorable mention john v good morning lads long time since i saw you guys agreed with josh

01:26:53.980 and stelios my parents never discussed politics with me as a kid either and said that too in fact

01:26:59.100 in fact even in school i actually remember teachers were specifically not supposed to discuss politics

01:27:04.380 with students as it was considered inappropriate thank you very much the case uh when i was growing up as

01:27:10.060 well like i couldn't think of a single political discussion in my school whatsoever um other

01:27:16.940 than when i was studying politics but then the teachers were deliberately trying not to be biased

01:27:21.420 as best they could like in a good faith way it is it is possible you know yeah they they tried back then

01:27:29.260 when we had standards right well um thank you very much audience for turning up and bearing with us

01:27:35.340 while everything blows up over here uh people will be thrashed uh computers will be thrown out of

01:27:40.860 windows and um presumably we we will be able to similarly organize the next one so uh bear with us for

01:27:48.300 that and um goodbye for me and um goodbye for bye bye

01:28:05.340 you

The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - December 09, 2025

The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1313

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