The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1316

00:00:00.000 Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen. Welcome to the podcast of the Lotus Caesars for Friday,

00:00:03.680 the 12th of December, 2025. I'm joined by Nick and Beau, and today we're going to be talking

00:00:09.280 about the new containment project on the British right. Yeah. Which I'm sure is going to make us

00:00:14.120 lots of friends. We're going to talk about how the British media is reacting to the Nick Fuentes

00:00:19.340 debacle. And then we're going to talk about the further radicalization of Tom Swarbrick,

00:00:24.800 which is my favorite subject. And I watch his shows with bated breath until he's presented

00:00:30.700 with like, here's a trans child. And he's just like, it's like, here's an Afghan rapist. It's

00:00:35.620 like, you need to pay for him. And he's like, do we? It's like cognitive dissonance intensifies.

00:00:41.400 It's so good. And so we'll get to that. That'll be the nice Friday afternoon send off for the

00:00:46.520 weekend. But we have an announcement actually, which is on the 5th of January, something eyebrow

00:00:53.080 shaped is happening. Is that right? It is. Apparently, you're starting a breakfast

00:00:58.080 show, Beau. Yeah, there's going to be a breakfast with Beau. The breakfast with Beau show. That's

00:01:02.500 right. It's going to start. We're going to have a breakfast show from 8am to 9am every

00:01:06.700 day, daily, with me. And yeah, I'm just going to go through the news that morning, you know,

00:01:12.120 like looking at the papers or the digital papers sort of thing. Every morning, just, yeah,

00:01:17.560 just a one hour sort of rundown, set you up for the day. Listen to it if you haven't got

00:01:21.600 time in the mornings. These are the things that they're going to be freaking out about

00:01:24.840 today. So tune in, be aware. I love that. The most based breakfast show ever. Yes. The

00:01:29.840 most sort of mild format ever just subverted. Brilliant. But that'll be, that'll be streaming

00:01:37.700 on the website and on YouTube, I believe. And people are like, why aren't you streaming

00:01:41.340 on YouTube? And the answer is, it killed the algorithm, to be honest. So it was better

00:01:45.700 to just stop until you come back to the website. Anyway. And now it's good again. Yeah,

00:01:50.640 yeah, yeah. It's fine now that we've stopped the algorithm. It's like, okay, I like you

00:01:54.180 again. It's like, okay. I don't understand YouTube. No one understands YouTube. They do

00:02:00.080 things for esoteric reasons. It's literally the, my goals are beyond your comprehension.

00:02:05.360 But anyway, right, let's, let's, let's begin. Okay. Apparently we'll start with me. So I'm

00:02:10.680 calling this working title, the new containment project or the alternative title. What is the

00:02:14.900 point of unheard in the spectator? Basically my GB news contract finally expired this week.

00:02:19.040 So I was like, how can I stop myself getting any work in future with Sir Paul Marshall who

00:02:23.500 runs basically everything, but I'm not going to blame Sir Paul for any of this. He's just

00:02:27.520 the backer behind a lot of these things. I'm just going to question what is the, what is

00:02:31.040 the sort of editorial stance of these things and what's the point of them? So it started

00:02:34.980 when, in my mind, when Freddie Sayers posted, delighted to welcome the spectators, latest

00:02:39.040 contributor for our bumper Christmas edition out tomorrow. And you look at some of the names

00:02:43.340 he's got and it's quite bonkers. So her majesty, the queen, got the queen in there. Great.

00:02:47.800 Or Camilla. I think it's the actual, isn't it the actual, is it, is it the, I don't know,

00:02:53.180 actually I should have checked this because when I hear the queen, that's how I think that's what

00:02:56.220 I think too. Yeah. Yeah. Cause isn't Camilla the queen consort? Sometimes she's just called the

00:03:01.260 queen, isn't she? So we need to check that. Our producers can check that while we. It's called

00:03:04.700 Dan Wooden. Explain this to me. Yeah. You got the Queen Elizabeth, the second has got content from

00:03:09.340 beyond the grave, like Elvis. Well, that does happen to me. AI reanimation, right? Like AI

00:03:13.900 necromancy. Spectator. I might check this actually, but we'll try and find out. But

00:03:19.020 they say from the queen to Bonnie Blue, Spectator's Christmas edition. So, I mean, pretty extraordinary.

00:03:25.860 So look at some of the other people that got Peter Thiel, fairly standard. I'm sure the ghost

00:03:30.700 of Queen Elizabeth is like, oh, very good. They say her majesty, the queen. I'm always like,

00:03:34.360 yeah, I don't know. Presumably it means Camilla Knight, as you say, but they've also got,

00:03:38.380 so they've got Bonnie Blue, which is bizarre. They've got Matthew McConaughey because we want

00:03:42.340 to hear his views on. Apparently he is a conservative. So that's something, at least

00:03:47.140 they have a conservative in their paper. It's a strange mix. I'm just trying to figure out

00:03:50.300 why you would have Bonnie Blue in there. And anyway, it got me thinking about the, these

00:03:55.380 publications in general. Well, I thought we'd have a look at the Bonnie Blue articles. This

00:03:57.960 is, I stand with Nigel Farage. And there's some good lines in there. She says, my family

00:04:02.820 aren't religious. I'm like, hang on a second. No shit. Yeah. They encouraged us to become

00:04:09.700 a prostitute. So I think we could have gone. Aren't they literally her manager? Yeah. Yeah.

00:04:12.740 I'm like, they're not really religious. Like, yeah, we got that Bonnie. I mean, they could

00:04:16.000 be satanic. Anyway. Is this an attack on reform? Good question. Because ironically, like, if

00:04:25.120 you're reform, everything's going great. You're going up in the polls. And someone's like, by the

00:04:28.720 way, you've been endorsed. Oh yeah. Who by now? The world's most voracious prostitute.

00:04:33.300 Yeah. Or what I'm more worried about. Sorry, do I want, do I want that endorsement? I'm

00:04:37.820 worried. I think it's the insanely broad church of like the, you know, Lady Maga. Oh, who

00:04:42.380 have we got on board? You know, oh, it's Bonnie Blue. Like Farage brings her out at the next

00:04:45.500 conference. Bonnie, what's your take on inheritance tax? Which she does mention. What percentage

00:04:49.720 of the electorate are they expecting this to swing for Farage? She might just be having

00:04:53.980 a view. The question, my question. Yeah, sure. But why is the spectator hosting it?

00:04:56.840 Well, she's actually a lefty. She's playing 4D chess. She's trying to undermine reform.

00:05:01.820 Maybe, yeah. She's paid by Soros. In her interview with Angela Tate, she was like, I'm the ideal

00:05:06.680 feminist. I'm the most emancipated. I'm doing the most... But Tate said that to her. No, no, no.

00:05:11.060 She said that to Tate. And so it's like, yeah, so great. You've got the most feminist feminist

00:05:15.380 ever. And she just happens to be the world's, probably of all time, the greatest prostitute

00:05:21.980 that's ever lived. I disagree with the feminist premise because she really hates women. Like,

00:05:26.460 she attacks women constantly. She's like, if you're not doing it, if you're a bloke,

00:05:28.980 I'm just going to do it. It's not my fault. If you're lazy, if you're a lazy slob, not

00:05:32.800 my fault. That's like her main point. So she hates women. So there's some great bangers

00:05:41.060 in here. My family aren't religious. Sorry, sorry. Can we just pause on that for a minute?

00:05:45.640 Have you not heard her say that? No.

00:05:46.860 She always says that. That's really funny.

00:05:48.840 She's like, you're not going to hate. You're not doing your job. I'm going to do it. That's

00:05:51.920 why they come in to me. Yeah, that's what she always says.

00:05:53.440 Okay, it's selling it to me. Yeah, I mean, that's the one positive. She hates women.

00:05:56.980 It's the kind of underlying threat to all other women. Like, you know, Bonnie...

00:06:00.540 Oh, yeah. If you don't do it, she hates women. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Bonnie Blue will turn

00:06:04.920 up. Yeah, it's the scare story for women.

00:06:08.740 It's like Bonnie Blue three times in the mirror. She's shagging your boyfriend.

00:06:12.180 She's the Kaiser Soze of not doing marital duty.

00:06:15.440 So she's...

00:06:17.420 I don't know how we hear from her. Like, you follow her on Twitter or something or...

00:06:21.200 I don't know. I just read a spectator.

00:06:23.160 I read a spectator. Yeah, okay. All right.

00:06:24.500 My family aren't religious. So she had that one. My other favourite in there was, she was

00:06:27.960 talking about the royal family. She said, Andrew's a bit of a lad.

00:06:31.140 Andrew... Andrew seems a bit of a lad.

00:06:32.540 Prince Andrew.

00:06:32.900 Former Prince Andrew. I don't know what he's called now.

00:06:34.860 Andrew's a bit of a lad.

00:06:36.520 Andrew...

00:06:36.660 Batten or something.

00:06:37.580 Yeah, she says somewhere in there, Andrew's a bit of a lad. Oh, Callum's there.

00:06:40.820 She said, Andrew's a bit of a lad. But she had some fair points. She said,

00:06:44.440 I'm not knowledgeable about politics. Fair. But I do know the UK is very messed up.

00:06:48.240 Hard to argue with. She could be on lotuses. And she said, you shouldn't have to pay any

00:06:52.260 inheritance tax as you've been taxed on that money already.

00:06:54.900 That's based. I like that.

00:06:56.300 Yeah, I do agree with that. But that's a general English opinion.

00:06:59.820 Yes.

00:07:00.160 The average Englishman has that opinion.

00:07:02.020 I know. What bothered me... Oh, she had some personal experience with it, with her dad,

00:07:05.160 Dan, I think.

00:07:05.580 Jesus.

00:07:05.920 But what bothered me the most was, she said that she's... This is in The Spectator.

00:07:10.120 She goes, I'd like to be thought of as a woman who changed sex work. I've made it more accessible.

00:07:15.900 Okay.

00:07:16.860 So that is what The Spectator is ultimately promoting. And you go, that's pretty weird.

00:07:21.000 The Conservative Case for Being a Whore.

00:07:23.960 Yes. That's a good video title, actually. We should use that one.

00:07:27.820 And you go, okay, what is... Why is this happening, basically?

00:07:32.200 Because of Michael Gove.

00:07:33.060 And I look into it and go, Old Street Media, Old Queen Street Media, which is Paul Marshall,

00:07:37.020 to be fair. But I doubt he knows what's going on on the ground.

00:07:39.800 And he's a very high net worth individual. He owns and operates The Spectator and Unheard.

00:07:44.460 So you go, okay, who actually runs them, though? Well, of course, it's Freddie Sayers.

00:07:49.080 And Freddie...

00:07:49.840 Doesn't Gove the editor?

00:07:51.260 Well, he's now editor of The Spectator. But Sayers is the publisher and he's the sort of CEO.

00:07:56.180 So it says, as he says in this, he says, as publisher... I can't remember where it is,

00:08:00.260 but I've got it written down.

00:08:00.980 Has he got stock in OnlyFans?

00:08:02.420 Here we go.

00:08:03.180 No, she's banned from OnlyFans.

00:08:04.260 Is she?

00:08:04.740 Yeah.

00:08:05.060 Yeah, she is.

00:08:06.620 OnlyFans and the country of Bali.

00:08:08.480 Didn't she get arrested in Indonesia or something?

00:08:12.520 It's barely a country or a city.

00:08:13.880 I can't remember.

00:08:14.840 It's a province of Indonesia.

00:08:16.300 Yeah, exactly. I was just sat there going, come on, arrest, you know, 30 years in jail.

00:08:19.820 30 years.

00:08:20.100 Yeah, she's getting deported instead.

00:08:21.480 Getting deported. She's sending her back.

00:08:22.740 Annoying.

00:08:23.320 God, God.

00:08:24.540 The one deportation we didn't want.

00:08:26.200 So Freddie Sayers says, as publisher of The Spectator and CEO of the group company,

00:08:31.100 I will be responsible for overall strategy and ensuring that the various moving parts work well together.

00:08:35.480 So I think we know who is responsible because he's saying it right there.

00:08:38.820 My first red flag about Mr. Sayers was when he had this interview with Renaud Camus.

00:08:43.480 And it was so pathetic that all the comments were attacking him, even if they liked him.

00:08:48.540 Like, I normally like Freddie, but this was pathetic.

00:08:50.500 Because it was such a Piers Morgan.

00:08:53.040 It's like, oh, you're evil and bad then.

00:08:55.520 Instead of like an intellectual discussion of, you know, this guy's an intellectual.

00:08:58.780 He's a great writer.

00:09:00.380 Yes, he's behind the great replacement.

00:09:01.640 But why not ask him what he means?

00:09:02.860 But it was the most, like, it was like a special intro saying why he's bad.

00:09:06.320 And afterwards, yeah, we have to share these things.

00:09:08.180 But obviously, I don't agree.

00:09:09.160 You know, one of those really pathetic things.

00:09:10.420 Poisoning the world followed by a string of attempted gotchas.

00:09:13.380 Actually, Camus retweeted me here.

00:09:14.460 I just said he kept trying to call Camus racist and blame him for violence.

00:09:16.660 99% of the comments are savaging him for this approach.

00:09:19.340 Siding with Camus.

00:09:20.220 It's exactly the same as the Piers Morgan, Nick Fuentes stuff, right?

00:09:23.460 Where it's like, oh, you know, this guy's name, he's, you know, he's popular.

00:09:27.200 He's caused a little stir.

00:09:28.160 I now have to talk to him.

00:09:29.860 But I'm going to caveat it on the side with how bad I am.

00:09:33.080 And then I'm going to do a podcast, Coping and Seething, about it afterwards.

00:09:35.720 Yeah, but there's a key difference.

00:09:37.000 Two things.

00:09:37.500 One, Camus is not Fuentes.

00:09:38.940 He's a Zionist, for one.

00:09:39.880 And he's a sort of considered intellectual.

00:09:41.740 He's not like a shock jock who does edgy humor.

00:09:44.800 And Unheard are meant to be more sophisticated and more conservative or whatever than Piers Morgan.

00:09:50.540 They're not like tabloid.

00:09:51.540 They're supposed to be.

00:09:52.240 But Sayers went full Morgan.

00:09:53.960 The host is so weak, afraid to acknowledge the truth.

00:09:56.320 Oh, dear.

00:09:56.760 Freddie Sayers went full Kathy Newman on this one.

00:09:58.580 And there's just hundreds of comments like that.

00:09:59.900 They're basically all like that.

00:10:01.060 If you look, I couldn't find a single positive one for him.

00:10:03.460 So that was a red flag for me.

00:10:05.480 Unheard also published this, which I'm sure you saw.

00:10:07.240 Is Reform going to Christian?

00:10:09.240 Lotus Eaters get a mention in this.

00:10:10.860 This is from Samuel Rubinstein.

00:10:12.600 Yeah, you get a brief mention as a sort of Connor Lotus Eaters quasi bad, sort of.

00:10:17.700 It's like a passing, you know, these guys are sort of Connors to Christian.

00:10:23.060 Here we go.

00:10:23.480 There's a bit about Connors saying he's from the reactionary writer called himself and blah, blah, blah.

00:10:29.420 Anyway, here you go.

00:10:30.680 Lotus Eaters, affiliate of Lotus Eaters podcast.

00:10:32.460 So you get a little mention.

00:10:33.300 But basically, they conclude saying ultimately it would not be in Reform's interest to become or to be seen as a Christian party.

00:10:40.580 So it's a very clear like anti-Christian piece.

00:10:44.280 They talk about like Christians are okay if they basically are incredibly moderate and non-political.

00:10:48.420 Are they worried that Muffin Alley isn't going to join them eventually?

00:10:51.040 Yeah, it was such a strange piece.

00:10:53.440 I mean, this is his view.

00:10:55.220 And you can say, okay, the strange thing is that Paul Marshall is an evangelical Christian.

00:11:00.000 And you could say, well, okay, not all the articles are going to have to represent him.

00:11:02.740 And that would be a lack of integrity anyway and a lack of balance.

00:11:05.480 Fine.

00:11:05.900 Or you could say he's perhaps not one of these Christians who wants Christian nationalism.

00:11:09.660 Perhaps he's sort of very moderate politically.

00:11:12.380 But when you start to build the picture, it gets quite strange to me.

00:11:16.140 So a spectator has Bonnie Ballou.

00:11:17.540 Just a quick thing as well.

00:11:18.580 James Orr is a professor of philosophy and theology at Cambridge.

00:11:21.900 Theology at Cambridge, yeah.

00:11:23.140 And a Christian.

00:11:24.560 So the fact that he would be a Christian in Reform, not terribly shocking.

00:11:29.660 I know.

00:11:29.900 And I joked with James about this.

00:11:31.040 We were talking about Tolkien.

00:11:32.060 And I said, I'll be happy when I see.

00:11:33.540 He said, Reform of the Party of the Shire.

00:11:35.500 I said, I'll be happy when I see the article, has Reform gone to you, Tolkien?

00:11:39.060 That's when I'll be happy.

00:11:39.780 Because it's so ridiculous.

00:11:41.180 Are they too Christian?

00:11:42.640 And actually Reform...

00:11:43.440 They're not even very Christian.

00:11:44.360 What are you talking about?

00:11:45.240 They just launched a thing yesterday, actually, a Christian fellowship thing.

00:11:47.840 They did a thing in a church.

00:11:48.760 So I wonder if they are going more Christian with Danny Kruger and James Orr.

00:11:51.600 But that would be a good thing, is my take.

00:11:53.280 Are Reform to Christian?

00:11:54.200 We now go to Mohamed Zia Yusuf for the commentary.

00:11:57.320 I think he's going to convert.

00:11:58.720 I just came up with that yesterday.

00:11:59.840 I just made that up.

00:12:01.760 We're a historic Christian country, for God's sakes.

00:12:03.600 I know.

00:12:04.180 But you've got to look at it and say, hang on.

00:12:05.400 These are sort of alleged conservative publications.

00:12:07.600 Yes to Bonnie Ballou, no to Reform being Christian.

00:12:09.920 This is what we know so far.

00:12:10.700 He wrote it, Samuel Rubenstein.

00:12:12.280 Yeah, and then Raqib Essan, who you may know, he says, from politics to culture, the trajectory

00:12:18.240 of England will be increasingly shaped by Islamic social conservatism.

00:12:21.340 Oh, brilliant.

00:12:21.800 So this is the unheard.

00:12:23.180 So we just said the Reform shouldn't be Christian.

00:12:24.860 Are Muslims Britain's future?

00:12:26.520 Yeah.

00:12:27.240 Cheers, cheers, unheard.

00:12:28.080 So it starts to build quite a strange picture.

00:12:30.300 Unturd, more like.

00:12:32.220 Very snappy.

00:12:33.280 Just saying.

00:12:33.660 Yeah, I mean, some people don't realise that it's heard.

00:12:37.140 Some people think it's heard, like, heard, which is a pun, but it's actually like the

00:12:40.800 herd bow, because they don't follow the herd, man.

00:12:42.560 Clever.

00:12:42.920 They just don't care.

00:12:43.660 Clever.

00:12:44.160 They're just total mavericks.

00:12:45.280 Yeah.

00:12:45.720 And this article is a kind of, if you've read Welbeck's submission, it's kind of that

00:12:49.140 vibe.

00:12:49.420 It's like selling the slick, middle-class professional Muslim future.

00:12:52.540 Here's a sample quote.

00:12:53.380 While the ever-growing British Muslim population has been caricatured by some as an undereducated

00:12:57.560 and welfare-dependent monolith, one which has colonised Britain's social housing

00:13:00.860 stock, the reality is somewhat different.

00:13:02.220 In truth, it's a relatively youthful population, one defined by its upward social mobility,

00:13:06.700 and which is increasingly assertive across national life.

00:13:08.900 Well, that latter's true, isn't it?

00:13:10.500 Oh, yeah.

00:13:11.100 But he concludes, whatever way you look at it, Britain is changing, and not necessarily

00:13:14.400 in a direction Rupert Lowe will welcome.

00:13:16.620 So it's basically, we're going, Muslim, sorry, Rupert.

00:13:18.920 And this is in on her.

00:13:19.740 Don't worry about the enforced child marriages, the FGM, the...

00:13:25.620 Yeah, because they're up when you go about professionals.

00:13:26.940 The honour killings, the terrorism.

00:13:29.280 Don't worry about any of that.

00:13:29.920 Even if they were all a bunch of Islamic choir boys, don't care, foreign religion, get

00:13:34.400 out.

00:13:34.980 Yeah.

00:13:35.600 Yeah.

00:13:36.100 Right.

00:13:36.840 And who wrote this?

00:13:37.840 This was Raki Besan, and it was in on her.

00:13:41.540 So I find this quite strange.

00:13:42.880 And Conor responded to this, because he felt somehow they were not too pro-con.

00:13:49.080 And he says, the blow piece reveals a lot about Unheard's lightly, sorry, tightly controlled

00:13:52.600 output.

00:13:53.360 So I heard that Freddie Sayers, head of editorial at both Spectator and Unheard, was who made

00:13:57.380 the call to ban the release of my debate with Michael Gove and Catherine Berbalsing.

00:14:00.440 That's the other thing.

00:14:01.400 Ever stating for their position then.

00:14:02.800 Yeah, yeah.

00:14:03.180 That's the other thing.

00:14:03.980 So if you start to build a picture, it's like, anti-Rono Camus can't release a debate

00:14:08.180 where Conor presumably smokes them.

00:14:09.860 Can put an article out saying the future is Islamic, except your new Islamic overlord.

00:14:13.440 But reform shouldn't be Christians.

00:14:15.020 Also Bonnie Blue, right?

00:14:16.240 And also Bonnie Blue.

00:14:17.260 Also, by the way, the problem with Bonnie Blue, really, is that she is English, right?

00:14:21.780 If this was some foreign woman who was a rampant hoi, but okay, well, that reflects badly

00:14:24.940 on your community, right?

00:14:26.500 But what Bonnie Blue does, unfortunately, is a direct reflection of English womanhood at

00:14:30.920 the moment.

00:14:31.860 And so the Spectator are like, yeah, hey, Bonnie Blue, she votes reform.

00:14:34.620 Who will reform?

00:14:35.380 Well, the kind of English reactionary party.

00:14:37.660 Yeah.

00:14:37.880 And it's just like, goddammit, man.

00:14:40.080 Yeah.

00:14:40.620 And the incoherence.

00:14:41.360 It's constant sabotage.

00:14:42.540 That's the thing.

00:14:43.100 It's constant sabotage to the dignity of opposition.

00:14:45.660 I hate it.

00:14:46.540 Yeah.

00:14:46.720 Subversion.

00:14:47.240 Just real quick to say, because I'm vaguely aware of Conor and Michael Gove thing.

00:14:51.120 Is it just, can we only assume that Conor smoked him, made him look ridiculous?

00:14:56.100 Evidently.

00:14:56.420 And so they're just like, well, we're just not putting that out.

00:14:58.420 Well, they would put it out if it was the reverse.

00:15:00.460 Or certainly one, or certainly shared things that are uncomfortable.

00:15:04.420 And if Sayers has made the call, it will be that it's, yeah, it's too uncomfortable.

00:15:07.560 It's someone on the right winning a debate.

00:15:09.400 It's almost certain.

00:15:10.020 Right.

00:15:10.280 Or saying things they don't want to be out there, which is the same thing, practically.

00:15:13.820 Yeah.

00:15:14.700 Right.

00:15:14.860 Either he said something uncomfortable, or he won, or both.

00:15:17.180 I say both, probably.

00:15:18.980 Apparently, even Catherine agreed with him on a lot of points.

00:15:22.020 Yeah.

00:15:22.180 So, Conor goes on, so you can observe the Islamification of Britain, but you can't oppose or call to reverse it at Unheard, which is absolutely true from those two articles.

00:15:29.840 And you can't have your debate released.

00:15:32.720 He says, a bit lower down, ergo, the only acceptable position at Unheard is to celebrate the rise of Islam in Britain, so long as it's contained within the confines of liberal pluralism.

00:15:40.860 And that's the key, because having Bonnie Blue celebrated by the spectator, but also celebrating Islam, it's completely incoherent.

00:15:46.900 It's worse than your party, but it makes sense within the vague liberal mush that they're selling.

00:15:52.920 So, Conor goes on, the key, it's a Conor-length piece.

00:15:56.940 So, we'll get to the crux, which is, at the end, he said, there's something deeply morally miscalibrated about Unheard's editorial stance.

00:16:05.320 It's self-absorbed and cannot sustain its contradictions.

00:16:07.820 Exactly.

00:16:08.480 It isn't good for the country, and it certainly doesn't reflect the mood of the right, which is very much my point as well.

00:16:14.920 They want to push Bonnie Blue, but also Islam, which is, as I say, completely incoherent.

00:16:18.420 They don't like Christians, except perhaps the most mild ones that don't talk about Christianity.

00:16:21.960 Renaud Camus is icky, but they can't actually counter his arguments in a way that convinces even their own audience.

00:16:26.940 They won't release the Conor debate, presumably because that will also expose the weakness of their arguments.

00:16:31.340 So, of course, not all articles across Spectator and Unheard have to be the exact same, of the same mind.

00:16:36.020 But my overall impression is that they're essentially promoting a kind of rapid liberalism that will only further the decline of Britain.

00:16:42.740 I love, I love that you can feel on both sides of the platform on which they stand, it falling in like a video game.

00:16:50.020 You know, it's like the platform's going narrower and narrower and narrower.

00:16:52.740 And they're like, oh yeah, no, this is, and it's like, well,

00:16:55.480 at some point that middle pillar is going to fall and you're going to have to accept that either you are completely for leftism

00:17:01.500 and, you know, the Islamic takeover, the Bonnie Blue-ization of women more broadly,

00:17:06.280 or you can come and join the far right.

00:17:10.060 I mean, what is their, what is their position?

00:17:12.460 Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

00:17:13.380 Because the reason I mentioned this before, Marshall is he's a Christian, right?

00:17:15.880 There's nothing Christian about this.

00:17:17.300 There's nothing Christian about reformer too Christian, here's Bonnie Blue, and Islam's the future.

00:17:21.140 I'm like, right, this is not Christian, it's not conservative.

00:17:24.940 Who is the target audience?

00:17:26.660 Yeah, right.

00:17:27.740 I think it's just, is it just Michael Gove himself?

00:17:30.300 It's some sort of boomer, I hate to say boomer, but because some of my fans are boomers,

00:17:34.040 but it's a great, great people, but it's a, it's a, it's a sort of...

00:17:36.980 We love our boomers, folks.

00:17:38.280 Who is it?

00:17:38.720 A kind of boomer, I'm tempted to say Toby, but it's a kind of boomer, conservative,

00:17:44.240 liberal, small C, classical liberal person.

00:17:46.800 Yeah, it's the kind of, like, the sort of 1990s conservative consensus, right?

00:17:54.000 Where it's like, oh, actually, we can all just live happily and get along.

00:17:56.720 And it's like, okay, that, that worked when we had 95% homogenous demographics, right?

00:18:01.200 Because most people just didn't do these things.

00:18:03.040 And so you had like these weird, like fringe things.

00:18:05.500 You're like, oh, wow, that's a weird fringe thing.

00:18:07.160 Now I'm going back to my completely homogenous English village to live a normal conservative

00:18:11.320 English life.

00:18:12.380 And it's like, okay, that's great.

00:18:13.120 You can have the weird, you know, freak show at the margins, but that's not at the margins

00:18:18.220 now.

00:18:18.840 Right, right.

00:18:19.380 That's a good point.

00:18:20.640 Yeah.

00:18:20.820 And it's so strange they want to promote that.

00:18:22.840 It's the Piers Morgan.

00:18:24.100 You haven't even been laid.

00:18:24.980 It's like Bonnie Blue is less offensive to them than Connor Tomlinson, basically.

00:18:28.900 Literally, Bonnie Blue is solving the problem for Piers Morgan, right?

00:18:32.620 Because she's going around deflowering loads of young incels.

00:18:35.760 So Bonnie Blue is the solution to the Quentin's problem.

00:18:38.680 Most of them seem to be Asian, don't they, for some reason?

00:18:40.660 They do, but as far as Piers Morgan's concerned, she's saving the West.

00:18:45.360 Yeah.

00:18:45.980 This is really the central divide, is like social conservatism and morality, basic morality,

00:18:50.860 Christian morality.

00:18:51.980 And that's where these people are like, no, absolutely not.

00:18:53.940 Everything they do is an attack on Christian morality.

00:18:55.960 That's why it's so strange that a Christian is ultimately behind it.

00:18:58.840 Obviously, as I say, not editorially, but backing it financially.

00:19:01.440 Same with Piers Morgan, though.

00:19:02.260 He's like, I'm a Catholic.

00:19:03.140 And it's like, why haven't you gotten laid?

00:19:04.320 It's because I'm not married.

00:19:05.940 Yeah, I know.

00:19:06.960 You're a Catholic.

00:19:07.280 Yeah, and they just find that they hate the Conor sort of moralism.

00:19:11.620 But that is where we're going.

00:19:13.360 That's where the young people are going.

00:19:14.660 Because they've had enough of Bonnie.

00:19:16.020 Bonnie Blue, you can't really go much further than that.

00:19:17.840 You've reached the apotheosis of the liberal project with Bonnie Blue.

00:19:20.540 Literally.

00:19:20.920 Now it's going the other way.

00:19:21.900 That's literally how she describes herself.

00:19:23.320 Like this extreme libertinism.

00:19:25.420 I can totally see where the Zoomers...

00:19:27.100 I've seen people call them the young fogies.

00:19:29.580 And I actually think it's a really charming epithet.

00:19:32.480 You know, it's like, oh, you're just young fogies who want to be morally responsible

00:19:36.280 and don't feel disgusted about yourselves because of the things that you've done,

00:19:39.940 like having sex with Bonnie Blue or something.

00:19:42.160 And it's like, well, yeah, I can completely understand why they feel that way, actually.

00:19:45.480 They're the new young fogies.

00:19:46.420 Because young fogies was a thing when we were younger, right?

00:19:47.980 But they're the new young fogies who are far more based than the old young fogies

00:19:50.980 who were just sort of Tories.

00:19:52.620 Yeah, it's...

00:19:53.900 Yeah, I find it all quite strange.

00:19:55.660 And there was one other thing I was going to say.

00:19:56.940 It's escaped me.

00:19:57.800 But it's something to do with the morality of it.

00:20:00.200 Anyway, yeah, I don't know who this is for.

00:20:01.960 Oh, yeah, I was going to say, to be fair to liberals,

00:20:03.800 someone like my friend Andrew Droll would say,

00:20:05.400 well, there's a difference between liberalism and license.

00:20:07.820 But the problem is, even the kind of liberalism he espouses says

00:20:10.500 as long as you don't encroach upon anyone else.

00:20:12.380 And if you watch Julia Hartley Brewer,

00:20:14.160 who's sort of in this kind of vague milieu, interview Bonnie Blue,

00:20:17.380 she was absolutely checkmated because Bonnie Blue said,

00:20:19.400 well, I'm not hurting anyone.

00:20:20.460 And it's consensual.

00:20:21.480 And Julia went, oh, I agree with that.

00:20:23.660 And so she had nothing.

00:20:25.880 Because that's literally...

00:20:27.640 And this is why Bonnie Blue's on The Ultimate Feminist.

00:20:30.040 It's like, yeah, kind of, actually.

00:20:31.960 This is ultimately where feminism gets there.

00:20:33.960 Whereas what Unheard and Spectator can't take

00:20:35.440 is there's a younger generation who said,

00:20:36.440 actually, no, there's such a thing called morals.

00:20:38.500 Morals are back.

00:20:39.220 Christianity's back.

00:20:40.140 And there's certain things we shouldn't do.

00:20:41.720 There's such a thing as social responsibility,

00:20:43.360 restraint, abstinence.

00:20:44.800 There's all these things.

00:20:45.680 And they're back.

00:20:46.580 So it's off.

00:20:47.360 Bonnie Blue is a metaphysical attack on the country.

00:20:50.660 That's basically what the young thing he's saying.

00:20:52.680 It's coming in and it's Conor et al.

00:20:54.960 I think, like, the Spectator and Unheard are just containment projects, really.

00:21:00.140 And as...

00:21:00.900 For what?

00:21:01.600 Containing what?

00:21:02.560 You know, like...

00:21:02.880 Yeah, the old paradigm.

00:21:03.900 Yeah, exactly.

00:21:04.640 Of that you can't be...

00:21:06.020 You can't like or be proud of your own history or heritage or nation.

00:21:09.220 All those things.

00:21:09.720 All those things.

00:21:10.180 Or not being a rampant slag.

00:21:12.020 Or even that.

00:21:13.420 You have to be totally socially liberal,

00:21:15.220 totally pro-immigration, et cetera, et cetera.

00:21:17.920 Yeah.

00:21:18.060 And not Christian, which is lame and icky.

00:21:20.420 Just accept...

00:21:20.940 You can't be Muslim.

00:21:21.680 Just accept Islam.

00:21:22.200 As long as you're an upwardly professional Muslim.

00:21:23.900 It's all nonsense.

00:21:25.520 There you go.

00:21:26.620 Cranky Texan says,

00:21:27.680 Religion is the glue that holds society together.

00:21:29.780 That is, but one of the reasons that Christianity is under attack.

00:21:33.480 You know what?

00:21:34.620 Yes, but it's...

00:21:37.720 I don't know, man.

00:21:38.560 Like, I don't feel that for a long time...

00:21:41.040 I mean, we had a society, but it wasn't held together by religion.

00:21:44.960 It was held together by a certain series of norms.

00:21:47.000 And now the norms themselves.

00:21:49.140 I'm not saying they weren't inherited.

00:21:50.460 Norms came from Christianity.

00:21:51.500 Yeah, I'm not saying they weren't inherited from religion,

00:21:53.400 but the norms themselves are now the things under attack.

00:21:56.380 You know?

00:21:56.920 So it's...

00:21:57.740 I think it's inevitable that we go back to Christianity, frankly.

00:22:00.600 Oh, good.

00:22:01.020 Didn't even have to make the case.

00:22:02.620 It's probably just...

00:22:03.560 Why not?

00:22:04.580 Like, it's either that or Bonnie Blue in the Islamic paradise.

00:22:08.720 Yep.

00:22:09.140 Those are your choices.

00:22:10.380 I mean, and she literally sounds like she's come from the Islamic paradise as well.

00:22:15.200 Right, right.

00:22:15.880 You can have it on Earth now.

00:22:17.100 Yeah, exactly.

00:22:18.580 Amazing.

00:22:19.720 Anyway, let's move on.

00:22:22.200 Okay.

00:22:22.860 We're going to talk all about now the Fuentes Ferrari.

00:22:26.880 We're going to dive right in to it.

00:22:28.780 I mean, Harry touched on it the other day, but not the full shebang.

00:22:32.420 So we're going to dive in.

00:22:33.900 I didn't know this was an option or I would have totally picked this,

00:22:35.880 but it's a great topic.

00:22:36.760 Yeah.

00:22:37.060 Nick is our Nick Fuentes correspondent.

00:22:38.820 Well, I just did an hour on my channel.

00:22:40.500 Not that I would ever promote my own channel on here, Nick Dixon,

00:22:42.980 but many people are loving it.

00:22:45.360 That's all I'm saying.

00:22:46.140 But not that many compared to Lotus Ears.

00:22:48.360 But after you've watched Lotus Ears, check that out.

00:22:50.400 Nick Dixon.

00:22:51.100 Yeah, yeah.

00:22:51.640 But after you've watched Lotus Ears.

00:22:53.400 Yeah, of course.

00:22:54.140 So, Piers Morgan allowed Mr. Fuentes to have a platform on his show.

00:23:03.940 Actually, this is probably, I think, one of the most important,

00:23:07.600 interesting points of the broader point, the meta point,

00:23:10.320 is that even the reaction to it, and afterwards, recently,

00:23:14.740 just a day or two ago, Piers Morgan did another hour-long show

00:23:18.400 talking about the reaction to it all.

00:23:20.120 Hoping and seeing it.

00:23:20.680 And I think the most important, yeah, hoping and seeing it.

00:23:22.860 Welcome to Copenstein with Piers Morgan.

00:23:25.400 I think one of the most interesting points is that

00:23:27.380 nearly everyone was in complete agreement

00:23:29.340 that there was nothing wrong with platforming Fuentes, actually.

00:23:32.280 Yeah, that's interesting.

00:23:32.960 And that is a change, isn't it?

00:23:34.480 Yeah, it is.

00:23:34.960 Because even just a few years ago,

00:23:36.860 they would have been, probably, would have been in broad agreement

00:23:39.420 that Piers had done something terribly wrong

00:23:41.460 by even talking to him.

00:23:43.140 And now, it was almost unanimous that it was the right,

00:23:46.960 it's like the right thing to do.

00:23:48.640 So, that's interesting to know.

00:23:49.860 And what's more, many people said Nick won.

00:23:52.120 I just read a piece by Kathleen Stott.

00:23:53.720 He won.

00:23:54.120 Just to contradict my previous piece, In Unheard,

00:23:56.860 it was actually decent.

00:23:57.820 And she was saying, yeah, Nick Piers totally won this.

00:24:00.000 And underneath, Danny Fungerstein's reply to going,

00:24:01.780 how dare you say that?

00:24:03.160 He's the only one going, he didn't win.

00:24:05.240 And she's like, sorry, Danny, he won.

00:24:06.640 I'm just saying.

00:24:07.580 So, the thing is, I love to have a conversation with someone

00:24:10.780 where there's no gotchas, and you're just having a conversation.

00:24:13.200 But whenever it is adversarial, and it's a debate,

00:24:16.900 I don't really like that.

00:24:18.320 But you inevitably then start talking about who won then.

00:24:22.500 Who scored the most points.

00:24:23.640 I don't like the format, but that's what it is.

00:24:25.540 If you're going to go down that route and talk about that

00:24:27.520 and be like that, Fuentes totally won.

00:24:31.300 He totally won.

00:24:32.300 Like, easily.

00:24:33.320 He dominated it because...

00:24:34.500 Because he owned it, yeah.

00:24:35.200 Well, yeah, so there's at least, I think, four or five times

00:24:38.880 Morgan goes for a gotcha moment,

00:24:42.160 and Nick either just owns it,

00:24:44.640 or not even that, but genuinely answers it properly,

00:24:48.880 and Piers Morgan just moves on.

00:24:50.900 There's no retort.

00:24:52.260 Yeah, there is no retort.

00:24:53.460 He doesn't even try it.

00:24:54.820 He's just like, all right, next thing.

00:24:56.080 So, you lost that point.

00:24:58.020 If we're doing a point scoring exercise here,

00:25:00.180 you lost that point.

00:25:01.200 Yeah.

00:25:01.300 Like, the bit about the women being equal to men

00:25:04.260 under the eyes of God,

00:25:04.940 but not having the same legal rights

00:25:06.760 is not a contradiction.

00:25:08.760 And Piers Morgan just goes,

00:25:09.800 you say this, and Nick's just laughing at him,

00:25:11.540 and then he moves on.

00:25:12.300 Exactly.

00:25:12.920 It was also understood for hundreds of years

00:25:14.400 as just the norm.

00:25:16.460 Yeah.

00:25:16.660 It's not that weird.

00:25:17.480 Yeah, it's completely consistent.

00:25:19.080 Have you heard my idea to do a gotcha interview

00:25:21.180 from the right?

00:25:22.460 So, apparently, what?

00:25:23.300 You're against the death penalty?

00:25:24.380 What's that all about?

00:25:24.940 You still stand by that?

00:25:26.100 And then I say, like,

00:25:26.920 you like Game of Thrones better than Lord of the Rings.

00:25:28.480 What's that all about?

00:25:29.000 And I just keep doing all these clips.

00:25:30.520 You've just done another clip with Richard Spencer

00:25:31.700 saying he wants to live in a diverse city.

00:25:33.160 I'm like, what's that all about?

00:25:34.040 Do you stand by that?

00:25:35.680 That's just my idea.

00:25:36.500 Nick Verrentes, good kid,

00:25:37.760 bit of a pinko for me.

00:25:39.300 Bit of a lefty.

00:25:41.780 I posted that today just to be,

00:25:43.660 I was thinking that's the most obnoxious position

00:25:45.280 you can say, good kid, bit far left.

00:25:47.560 I was just like, wait for the replies to that.

00:25:49.260 See, I don't actually watch his streams

00:25:50.800 because I don't watch anything.

00:25:51.700 Pro-Stalin?

00:25:52.720 Yeah, pro-Stalin as well.

00:25:54.120 But I haven't seen those clips going around.

00:25:55.780 They are weird left-wing clips.

00:25:57.400 Yeah.

00:25:57.720 Why is he saying those?

00:25:58.500 Partly, I think he gets bored a bit

00:26:00.280 like some of our friends,

00:26:01.280 mentioning no names, academic agents,

00:26:03.020 get bored of like,

00:26:04.300 they say they take up certain positions.

00:26:06.280 I'm sure that's not the reason,

00:26:07.500 but I'm sure it's sincere.

00:26:08.160 Oh, I think it might be a lot of the reason.

00:26:09.880 But, you know,

00:26:10.340 he's saying he actually likes the diversity

00:26:12.320 he's in with Spencer.

00:26:13.820 Game of Thrones,

00:26:14.360 he just does like it better than Lord of the Rings.

00:26:15.800 Definitely, he says he is against

00:26:17.100 having reflected on it more.

00:26:18.900 And so these are just his views.

00:26:19.940 Stalin, I don't know what that's about.

00:26:21.400 It's just another...

00:26:21.940 I was literally this close to stop calling him gay

00:26:25.280 and then you just tell me all of this.

00:26:27.660 He's not gay, he's just on the left.

00:26:29.320 It doesn't matter.

00:26:29.960 He's far left.

00:26:30.680 It doesn't matter.

00:26:31.180 I'm going to call him gay

00:26:32.240 and can continue to call him gay

00:26:33.780 until he's bullied to my position

00:26:35.400 on the death penalty.

00:26:36.120 What will the Gripers do?

00:26:38.040 What will the Gripers do when they see this?

00:26:40.980 We're attacking their boy

00:26:42.140 for being too left.

00:26:44.580 No, no, we're saying he's a good kid,

00:26:45.960 did a great job on Piers Morgan,

00:26:47.280 just needs to iron out

00:26:48.500 some of these left-wing laws.

00:26:50.960 Just to quickly say,

00:26:52.040 I do agree with a lot of what Nick says,

00:26:56.240 but not everything he says.

00:26:57.180 He's got a number of opinions.

00:26:58.260 I'm like, I just don't agree with that.

00:26:59.460 But I do agree with quite a lot of what he says.

00:27:03.500 Give us an example then.

00:27:05.160 Of what I don't like.

00:27:06.140 What you do agree with.

00:27:06.940 You celebrate Stalin's birthday.

00:27:08.020 Most of the stuff about immigration.

00:27:09.860 Oh yeah.

00:27:10.880 He wants to live in a diverse city.

00:27:13.620 What's going on there?

00:27:14.440 I don't know.

00:27:15.160 If you watch enough Nick Frentes,

00:27:16.660 you'll find clips that do contradict a bit.

00:27:18.900 Or like any normal person,

00:27:20.600 he's changed his mind a bit over the years.

00:27:22.160 Right, okay.

00:27:22.700 Fair enough.

00:27:23.540 I actually haven't watched a great deal of Nick Frentes.

00:27:25.520 Oh, I've watched, I don't know,

00:27:26.880 probably something in the order of

00:27:28.640 six or ten hours worth of Fuentes content in my life,

00:27:32.260 which is a fair bit.

00:27:32.920 But it's not loads, is it?

00:27:33.780 I don't watch,

00:27:34.360 far from watching him all the time.

00:27:36.260 But I've watched a fair bit.

00:27:37.580 And most of the time,

00:27:39.100 he seems to me really reasonable.

00:27:41.280 Okay.

00:27:42.120 But he's got a couple of things

00:27:43.080 I don't agree with.

00:27:44.580 You know, like you said,

00:27:45.260 Hitler was cool.

00:27:46.320 I just, I don't agree with that.

00:27:48.180 Yeah.

00:27:48.580 He's extremely smart.

00:27:49.700 He has a lot of well thought through positions,

00:27:51.540 very detailed if you do watch it.

00:27:53.240 What he'll do is at the end,

00:27:54.280 the chats will put in annoying quotes,

00:27:56.380 annoying questions,

00:27:57.360 and he'll say,

00:27:57.900 he'll go off on them.

00:27:58.500 And that's when a lot of the viral clips come from.

00:28:00.880 But in between,

00:28:01.600 he'll do a long disquisition

00:28:02.840 on why Pat Buchanan was right,

00:28:04.540 so and so.

00:28:05.380 It's in extremely detail.

00:28:06.820 And this is why when people say,

00:28:08.000 like Laura Perrin did an article

00:28:09.080 saying he needs to read a book.

00:28:10.200 I'm like,

00:28:10.820 that's the worst possible attack on Frentes

00:28:12.240 that hasn't read books and isn't smart.

00:28:13.840 Because it's just not true.

00:28:14.960 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:28:16.380 He seems to be reasonably knowledgeable for,

00:28:18.980 well, quite knowledgeable for a 27-year-old.

00:28:20.680 Extremely knowledgeable.

00:28:21.380 He's got sort of total recall

00:28:23.000 and he can reel off,

00:28:24.440 you know,

00:28:24.820 extraordinary amounts of information

00:28:25.920 straight to camera for three hours.

00:28:27.720 Which, as Tucker said,

00:28:28.480 is extraordinarily skilled.

00:28:29.620 And Tucker said he's even more talented than me.

00:28:31.400 Honestly,

00:28:31.760 I was surprised that he didn't know

00:28:32.680 the black crime statistics

00:28:33.620 in the Piers Morgan interview there.

00:28:35.360 That was a genuine shock.

00:28:36.380 I was like,

00:28:36.760 I've got those memorised.

00:28:38.340 Why don't you have those memorised?

00:28:40.140 Right.

00:28:40.380 It's that thing of having...

00:28:41.360 He still won that bit though

00:28:42.120 because that was Piers' worst bit

00:28:43.240 for a capital bit.

00:28:44.280 It's the exercise of getting a clip

00:28:46.840 and just trying to do a gotcha moment.

00:28:50.380 I mean,

00:28:50.640 that's hackneyed.

00:28:51.500 That's sort of hack territory.

00:28:53.280 That's old hat.

00:28:54.460 To be fair...

00:28:55.340 And Nick is great

00:28:56.140 at getting out of that.

00:28:57.460 Yeah.

00:28:57.760 And when he's pointed out,

00:28:59.200 he's done loads of those.

00:29:00.100 He's like,

00:29:00.300 you're not doing anything new with this.

00:29:01.360 It's what he does, right?

00:29:02.140 The gotcha style interview on Nick

00:29:03.940 has been done multiple times.

00:29:05.680 Yeah.

00:29:07.260 I mean,

00:29:07.900 yeah,

00:29:08.080 like on the history side,

00:29:09.820 I mean,

00:29:11.040 out of the four main protagonists

00:29:12.880 of World War II,

00:29:14.780 Franklin Dino Roosevelt,

00:29:15.940 Sumitra Churchill,

00:29:17.620 Adolf Stickelgruber

00:29:18.440 and Jakob Dugaschili,

00:29:21.420 like all four of those people

00:29:22.780 are very, very callous

00:29:24.060 and wrongheaded,

00:29:25.800 in my opinion,

00:29:26.180 all four of them.

00:29:27.200 But of the four,

00:29:28.260 the most sort of

00:29:29.760 unsettling character,

00:29:31.600 I would say,

00:29:32.040 is Jakob Dugaschili

00:29:32.920 is Stalin.

00:29:34.940 But, I mean...

00:29:35.960 That doesn't make Hitler

00:29:36.620 a good guy.

00:29:37.400 Right, exactly.

00:29:38.100 It doesn't make Hitler cool,

00:29:39.160 in my opinion.

00:29:39.980 Well, that's why

00:29:40.380 we're a bit different.

00:29:41.040 I mean, you know,

00:29:41.540 in my generation,

00:29:42.180 I say this,

00:29:42.620 my grandfather's both fought

00:29:43.800 in World War II.

00:29:44.480 I could speak to him about it.

00:29:45.960 The new...

00:29:46.380 Fuentes born in...

00:29:47.060 Which side?

00:29:49.600 All right,

00:29:50.120 it was the Germans.

00:29:50.980 The point still stands.

00:29:53.340 The point is,

00:29:54.200 Fuentes born in 1998,

00:29:55.460 he's a product very much

00:29:56.300 of the 21st century.

00:29:57.560 They're not going to have

00:29:58.060 the same connection with it

00:29:58.840 and you can't really expect them to

00:30:00.140 and they've been

00:30:00.540 browbeaten so much.

00:30:01.500 He lays it all out in a clip.

00:30:02.880 There's a clip where he says,

00:30:03.680 it's not that I think

00:30:04.320 the painter is cool

00:30:05.840 for his cruelty

00:30:06.840 or bigotry or all that.

00:30:08.020 It's the...

00:30:08.620 It's the...

00:30:09.480 The montage clips,

00:30:10.560 the edits,

00:30:11.400 which present...

00:30:12.140 He's saying because...

00:30:13.300 I got radicalised

00:30:14.000 by edits on YouTube.

00:30:14.960 I know,

00:30:15.300 but the sole reason he says

00:30:16.200 is because...

00:30:16.900 He actually then goes into

00:30:17.540 a really good rant

00:30:18.380 where he says,

00:30:19.060 it's about being unapologetic

00:30:20.660 because we've been told

00:30:22.280 our whole lives we're evil.

00:30:23.360 Right.

00:30:23.500 You basically got this

00:30:24.260 younger generation,

00:30:25.420 you're like,

00:30:25.760 you're evil...

00:30:26.640 At school,

00:30:27.140 they're told they're evil

00:30:27.680 because they're white.

00:30:28.380 At university,

00:30:28.880 they're told the same.

00:30:29.680 Then they go for a job,

00:30:30.380 you can't have it

00:30:30.900 because you're white.

00:30:31.620 But by the way,

00:30:32.180 you've still got white privilege.

00:30:33.020 What's that?

00:30:33.320 You can't afford a house,

00:30:34.240 especially in this country.

00:30:35.240 What's that?

00:30:35.600 Relationships are broken down

00:30:36.540 and it's like,

00:30:37.680 there's only two...

00:30:38.220 You've got nothing left to lose

00:30:39.080 and by the way,

00:30:40.020 your numbers are massively reducing

00:30:41.480 across Europe and the Anglosphere

00:30:43.180 so it's like,

00:30:43.840 what are your choices?

00:30:44.660 Cower in the corner

00:30:45.420 and do a land acknowledgement,

00:30:47.060 which some do,

00:30:47.980 or you say,

00:30:48.640 up yours

00:30:49.040 and that's the point.

00:30:49.800 Yeah.

00:30:50.580 And that is a powerful...

00:30:52.480 That's a powerful point.

00:30:54.080 Just a quick thing as well.

00:30:55.100 Like,

00:30:55.320 the Nazis,

00:30:57.100 obviously evil.

00:30:57.780 Hitler,

00:30:57.940 are obviously evil.

00:30:59.200 But they employed Hugo Boss

00:31:00.220 to make their uniforms

00:31:00.860 for a reason,

00:31:01.780 right?

00:31:02.580 Like,

00:31:03.300 you know,

00:31:03.800 like,

00:31:04.280 I'm just saying...

00:31:06.000 You're just saying he's cool.

00:31:06.920 No,

00:31:07.080 I'm just saying they had swag,

00:31:08.460 right?

00:31:08.980 They dressed in a particular way,

00:31:11.220 right?

00:31:11.460 Yeah,

00:31:11.740 well,

00:31:11.980 kind of.

00:31:12.600 They dressed in a particular way

00:31:13.960 to give a particular impression

00:31:15.380 and when you are sufficiently removed

00:31:17.860 from historical events,

00:31:18.920 like,

00:31:19.360 I love the Assyrian Empire,

00:31:20.540 man.

00:31:20.660 I think it looks amazing.

00:31:21.800 I think they had total swag.

00:31:23.140 They created pillars of skulls.

00:31:25.280 Like,

00:31:25.540 I don't want to hang out with them,

00:31:26.780 but they look badass,

00:31:28.380 you know what I mean?

00:31:29.060 And that's the same thing

00:31:30.020 for the Nazis.

00:31:30.580 They look badass

00:31:31.200 and if you're sufficiently removed

00:31:32.720 from the events of it,

00:31:33.880 where you're just like,

00:31:34.480 well,

00:31:34.600 it's just ancient history to me,

00:31:36.020 I can see why Nick Frens is like,

00:31:37.900 well,

00:31:38.020 they were cool.

00:31:39.040 It's like,

00:31:39.340 yeah,

00:31:39.540 I guess.

00:31:40.140 They had drip.

00:31:40.940 Yeah,

00:31:41.140 exactly,

00:31:41.660 right?

00:31:41.880 Combined with it being the ultimate taboo,

00:31:43.940 the business of taboo busting,

00:31:45.700 because those taboos haven't helped you

00:31:47.300 and they seem to be...

00:31:48.260 In fact,

00:31:48.480 they're the thing holding you down.

00:31:49.840 Exactly,

00:31:50.240 yeah.

00:31:50.400 The point beyond Nazi drip

00:31:52.300 is...

00:31:54.440 Everyone had drip,

00:31:55.320 to be honest,

00:31:56.200 didn't they?

00:31:56.580 Yeah.

00:31:56.720 Everyone had drip.

00:31:58.180 Yeah,

00:31:58.380 yeah.

00:31:58.640 I mean,

00:31:58.980 yeah,

00:31:59.280 there's loads of people from history

00:32:01.180 which I think had a cool look.

00:32:02.620 They were actually terrible.

00:32:04.000 Loads of people

00:32:04.520 and civilizations.

00:32:06.960 Anyway,

00:32:07.940 but yeah,

00:32:08.220 the point,

00:32:08.600 for how many generations

00:32:10.260 will be browbeaten into silence

00:32:12.480 by the mid-century German experiment?

00:32:16.680 And that's the question?

00:32:17.240 That's a valid point,

00:32:19.240 isn't it?

00:32:19.620 That is the question.

00:32:21.440 How long will it be

00:32:22.360 until the Nazis

00:32:23.160 just become a historical event?

00:32:25.600 And the answer is this,

00:32:26.780 Gen Z,

00:32:27.960 apparently.

00:32:28.220 Apparently,

00:32:28.560 yeah.

00:32:28.960 Because I'm technically millennial,

00:32:30.680 so we're the last generation

00:32:31.500 of still very concerned with it

00:32:33.340 and like I say,

00:32:33.800 you,

00:32:34.020 my grandfathers,

00:32:35.300 is fought in it.

00:32:35.980 They're the first generation Gen Z

00:32:37.280 who's like,

00:32:37.640 what's this about?

00:32:38.400 You know what's weird?

00:32:39.080 Is that when I was young,

00:32:40.020 we weren't like overtly propagandized

00:32:41.820 against the Nazis.

00:32:43.140 But obviously,

00:32:43.700 like,

00:32:43.920 they were bad.

00:32:44.660 They were the villains

00:32:45.220 in World War II,

00:32:45.820 right?

00:32:46.020 Because they're the people

00:32:46.600 we're fighting.

00:32:47.000 When you're in school,

00:32:47.660 you're learning about,

00:32:48.560 all right,

00:32:48.760 it's the Germans

00:32:49.360 and the British

00:32:50.320 and the Americans

00:32:51.020 and whoever.

00:32:52.120 And it's just like,

00:32:53.240 okay,

00:32:53.400 yeah,

00:32:53.560 they're the bad guys,

00:32:55.140 but it's not his constantly,

00:32:57.120 you know,

00:32:58.020 drummed into you.

00:32:59.220 It was just,

00:32:59.860 well,

00:33:00.100 they're not us,

00:33:01.100 so obviously they're the enemy.

00:33:02.700 And so,

00:33:03.340 you know,

00:33:03.600 carry on about your days.

00:33:04.660 Yeah,

00:33:04.760 because we still weren't hated

00:33:06.040 for just being English.

00:33:07.600 Yeah.

00:33:07.900 We were confident in our,

00:33:09.160 that we were English

00:33:09.940 and we were good.

00:33:10.880 They were bad,

00:33:11.660 but we weren't also bad.

00:33:13.120 Actually imagine.

00:33:13.520 But now where we are now,

00:33:14.520 of course,

00:33:14.980 we get called,

00:33:15.720 and it's an obvious point,

00:33:16.740 but far right and Nazis

00:33:17.680 by our government

00:33:18.760 and by,

00:33:19.380 because that means

00:33:20.280 you're the enemy.

00:33:21.000 Yeah.

00:33:21.180 But we weren't the enemy

00:33:21.860 still then when we grew up.

00:33:22.960 That's right,

00:33:23.340 yeah.

00:33:23.540 I seem to recall

00:33:24.580 we were the antagonists

00:33:26.260 of the Nazis in the war.

00:33:27.380 I know.

00:33:27.640 I seem to recall

00:33:28.280 we fought against them.

00:33:28.880 We declared war on them.

00:33:29.980 Somewhere we became the Nazis.

00:33:31.460 We were in our mid-40s.

00:33:32.640 Don't clip that.

00:33:33.160 Ever so slightly younger,

00:33:34.260 aren't you?

00:33:35.140 I'm slightly younger,

00:33:35.820 yeah.

00:33:36.160 But not much.

00:33:36.620 We were in our early mid-40s,

00:33:38.080 right?

00:33:38.260 And when we was kids,

00:33:39.300 you could make a joke about it

00:33:42.480 like Basil Fawlty.

00:33:45.000 They were making jokes

00:33:45.540 about Nazis all the time.

00:33:46.740 Right,

00:33:46.960 yeah.

00:33:47.380 Or the producers.

00:33:47.920 Mel Brooks.

00:33:48.680 Mel Brooks.

00:33:49.400 Gene Wilder in the producers.

00:33:51.160 You could joke about Hitler

00:33:52.760 and the Holocaust.

00:33:54.140 They were figures of fun

00:33:54.980 because we won

00:33:55.680 and they lost.

00:33:56.560 Right.

00:33:57.140 You weren't terrified

00:33:58.040 of a narrative

00:33:59.060 and you could ridicule it

00:34:00.880 openly.

00:34:02.360 Apparently you can't do that now

00:34:03.400 because one bit in it

00:34:04.520 when Piers Morgan

00:34:06.800 brings up the Holocaust

00:34:07.600 and Nick immediately goes,

00:34:09.320 what,

00:34:09.440 too soon?

00:34:10.060 Yeah.

00:34:10.900 I laughed out loud.

00:34:11.840 Funny, yeah.

00:34:12.260 I laughed out loud.

00:34:13.140 But it's also

00:34:14.140 the correct question,

00:34:15.960 right?

00:34:16.400 Is it too soon?

00:34:18.060 And I guess the answer is yes

00:34:19.720 because it's still

00:34:20.320 in living memory.

00:34:21.880 Just about.

00:34:22.700 Just about.

00:34:23.500 The answer is

00:34:23.980 it's too soon for Piers

00:34:24.840 and Danny

00:34:25.740 but not too soon for Nick.

00:34:26.900 Exactly.

00:34:27.520 And we're maybe

00:34:27.980 a little bit in the middle going.

00:34:28.740 Like the boomers

00:34:29.700 were heavily propagandized

00:34:31.020 when they were young,

00:34:31.820 remember?

00:34:32.260 Because they lived

00:34:32.700 in the shadow

00:34:33.160 of this great war.

00:34:34.340 So their parents

00:34:34.880 had lived through it

00:34:35.640 and so for the boomers

00:34:37.500 this is literally like,

00:34:39.180 you know,

00:34:39.640 you going like,

00:34:40.420 you know what,

00:34:40.660 I think that Satan's

00:34:41.420 a pretty cool guy

00:34:42.080 when you go to church.

00:34:43.020 Obviously the Christians

00:34:43.740 are like,

00:34:44.040 what are you talking about?

00:34:45.040 This is the way

00:34:45.640 that they view

00:34:46.140 the entire like

00:34:46.840 moral fabric

00:34:47.660 of the universe.

00:34:49.040 So for them.

00:34:50.860 Just to be fair to the boomers

00:34:51.780 because I get boomers

00:34:52.660 commenting on my things

00:34:53.520 going,

00:34:53.840 hey,

00:34:54.000 it's not all boomers.

00:34:55.220 It's not even the boomers.

00:34:56.380 If you talk to a normal boomer

00:34:57.660 like your parents

00:34:58.440 or something,

00:34:59.260 it's more the boomer

00:35:01.180 sort of,

00:35:02.720 I don't want to say

00:35:03.400 truth regime,

00:35:04.060 but the media boomersphere.

00:35:05.820 The narrative.

00:35:06.300 Yeah,

00:35:06.420 the narrative.

00:35:07.880 Like Piers has to do this,

00:35:09.040 oh,

00:35:09.320 it's po-faced nonsense.

00:35:10.800 An average person is like,

00:35:12.300 yeah,

00:35:12.440 it's a funny joke,

00:35:13.100 whatever.

00:35:13.420 They're not that bothered.

00:35:14.480 The thing I think

00:35:15.080 was probably

00:35:15.700 the most healthiest view

00:35:17.640 is the view

00:35:18.660 that's presented

00:35:19.260 in the film

00:35:20.080 Dickie Attenborough's

00:35:21.140 A Bridge Too Far

00:35:22.000 where the Nazis

00:35:24.360 are the enemy,

00:35:26.240 just unequivocally

00:35:27.180 the enemy,

00:35:27.640 the bad is.

00:35:28.580 They're the people

00:35:28.960 we're fighting.

00:35:29.960 Yeah.

00:35:30.900 But they're not like

00:35:32.260 a cartoonish monster though.

00:35:36.000 Right?

00:35:36.580 Yeah.

00:35:37.100 And you can even,

00:35:38.200 for the individual

00:35:38.940 Wehrmacht soldier,

00:35:41.220 you can actually have

00:35:41.760 respect for him even

00:35:42.880 for the sacrifice he made.

00:35:44.720 A lot of them

00:35:45.040 are just 18-year-old kids

00:35:46.020 that were conscripted

00:35:46.920 just like we were.

00:35:48.380 Yeah,

00:35:48.580 very much into it.

00:35:49.380 From a country

00:35:49.820 that's incredibly similar

00:35:50.660 to yours,

00:35:51.240 really.

00:35:51.820 And that guy's a,

00:35:53.080 yeah,

00:35:53.340 he's the reflection of you.

00:35:54.480 You see it in those war movies

00:35:55.440 where they come up

00:35:55.880 really close to each other

00:35:56.540 and they're like,

00:35:57.200 not even sure they want

00:35:57.840 to kill each other

00:35:58.380 or it gets a bit weird

00:35:59.200 because that's how it would be.

00:36:00.460 Just because there's one nutter

00:36:01.460 who's decided to do this,

00:36:02.560 it's not the average soldier.

00:36:03.980 Or in the producers

00:36:05.140 where it's just,

00:36:06.140 you can openly ridicule it

00:36:07.620 without any real baggage.

00:36:09.960 Surely that's more healthy

00:36:11.100 than you can't talk about it,

00:36:12.780 you cannot joke about it.

00:36:14.100 That was part of the Gen X

00:36:15.440 free speech culture

00:36:16.380 that you're talking about as well,

00:36:17.520 which has now gone backwards.

00:36:18.920 As I always say,

00:36:19.560 we can't have Brass Eye now,

00:36:20.860 we can't have those things.

00:36:21.620 Your point about

00:36:22.860 we weren't under attack,

00:36:24.680 that's the thing, right?

00:36:25.660 Because what Nick

00:36:26.340 is really yearning for

00:36:28.080 is an unapologetically

00:36:30.040 Western European nation

00:36:32.560 to say,

00:36:33.080 no, we're great actually.

00:36:34.540 Yeah.

00:36:34.960 We, this Western European nation

00:36:36.540 is great.

00:36:36.940 And back in our day,

00:36:38.300 well, if we're living

00:36:38.980 after the victory

00:36:40.100 over the Nazis,

00:36:41.340 yeah, Britain

00:36:41.920 helped defeat the Nazis.

00:36:43.620 We're great.

00:36:44.260 We were allowed

00:36:45.360 to be unapologetically

00:36:46.260 proud of ourselves

00:36:47.140 for doing this.

00:36:48.260 And so there was no worry

00:36:49.780 about, oh,

00:36:50.220 are they going to pick up

00:36:50.860 Nazi ideology?

00:36:52.200 What do you mean?

00:36:53.140 Why would I pick up

00:36:54.000 Nazi ideology?

00:36:54.980 I have my own ideology

00:36:55.980 that we're amazing.

00:36:57.420 We spent the wealth

00:36:58.920 of an empire

00:36:59.540 and hundreds of thousands

00:37:00.400 of our lives

00:37:00.940 to defeat that.

00:37:01.700 Exactly.

00:37:02.560 Why do I need to adopt

00:37:03.460 his ideology?

00:37:04.340 But now that's been

00:37:05.140 beaten out of us

00:37:06.380 and we're not allowed

00:37:07.260 to be unapologetically

00:37:10.100 proud of ourselves.

00:37:11.540 It's like, okay,

00:37:11.900 well, you might pick up

00:37:12.760 this Nazi ideology

00:37:14.160 as a way of essentially

00:37:16.440 reclaiming that pride.

00:37:18.700 And it's been hijacked

00:37:19.500 by leftism

00:37:20.000 because there was

00:37:20.340 nothing lefty

00:37:20.900 about Churchill.

00:37:22.260 And it went along

00:37:24.080 with English pride

00:37:24.800 and it went along

00:37:25.160 with lots of

00:37:25.520 old school attitudes.

00:37:26.740 But now it's somehow,

00:37:28.160 yeah, that's all flipped.

00:37:28.780 I mean, they were

00:37:29.540 dropping bombs

00:37:30.040 on our cities

00:37:31.100 and houses.

00:37:32.080 It's like, it's very,

00:37:33.520 and this is more controversial,

00:37:34.960 the other thing is

00:37:35.520 it's been taken away

00:37:36.320 from us.

00:37:36.900 Like, if you're speaking

00:37:38.360 to sort of,

00:37:39.020 let's say,

00:37:39.940 a Jewish person

00:37:40.540 and then they get

00:37:41.100 really annoyed

00:37:41.600 about the Holocaust,

00:37:42.460 obviously,

00:37:43.200 about Second World War,

00:37:44.220 but they were actually

00:37:44.960 also dropping bombs

00:37:45.700 on our houses

00:37:46.160 and killing loads

00:37:46.840 and loads of our people.

00:37:47.920 And we almost,

00:37:48.620 that's almost been

00:37:49.100 taken away from us

00:37:49.740 because the Holocaust

00:37:50.860 looms over all of it.

00:37:52.820 But actually,

00:37:53.580 on the way up to that,

00:37:54.480 guys,

00:37:54.820 they were dropping bombs

00:37:55.920 on my family

00:37:57.360 and my granddad

00:37:58.260 was fighting it.

00:37:59.020 So it's like,

00:37:59.800 that's sort of gone.

00:38:00.740 Yeah.

00:38:01.540 Subsumed by this

00:38:02.240 massive Holocaust narrative.

00:38:03.720 Is that fair?

00:38:04.360 Yeah, I think it's totally fair.

00:38:05.360 This is why I was so annoyed

00:38:06.620 with the idea

00:38:07.100 of a Holocaust memorial

00:38:08.000 in London.

00:38:09.220 It's like, sorry,

00:38:09.700 no, you're kind of claiming

00:38:10.560 we're complicit.

00:38:12.060 It's like, sorry,

00:38:12.520 that is the opposite.

00:38:13.140 I went to university

00:38:14.060 in Coventry

00:38:14.840 in like 2000,

00:38:16.240 1999.

00:38:17.340 And in the middle

00:38:18.040 of the city

00:38:18.420 is still the bombed out

00:38:19.360 ruins of the cathedral.

00:38:21.060 I've never rebuilt it.

00:38:22.820 You know,

00:38:23.020 and that was my first

00:38:24.160 real sort of experience

00:38:25.320 of,

00:38:25.980 oh no,

00:38:26.260 we are living

00:38:26.940 in the civilization

00:38:27.940 that did something

00:38:28.820 quite substantive here.

00:38:30.460 Right?

00:38:30.600 You know,

00:38:30.780 that was the first time

00:38:32.000 it really hit home to me.

00:38:33.000 I was like,

00:38:33.220 why is that?

00:38:34.440 You know,

00:38:34.680 and then obviously

00:38:35.180 it was bombed

00:38:36.280 in World War II,

00:38:36.960 blah, blah, blah.

00:38:37.320 Oh, Jesus.

00:38:38.360 Okay.

00:38:39.020 And like, yeah,

00:38:39.720 why would we need

00:38:40.280 a Holocaust memorial

00:38:41.060 in London?

00:38:41.800 Yeah,

00:38:41.980 that is an obscenity really.

00:38:43.100 It's disgusting.

00:38:43.720 I hate it.

00:38:44.340 Yeah.

00:38:45.220 So anyway.

00:38:45.720 So yeah,

00:38:45.980 there's a number

00:38:46.260 of other things.

00:38:46.880 Piers pretending

00:38:47.560 not to understand

00:38:48.300 per capita.

00:38:49.840 Embarrassing.

00:38:50.620 That was funny.

00:38:51.420 Embarrassing.

00:38:51.820 Doing the millennial woes

00:38:52.940 thing.

00:38:53.120 I don't understand.

00:38:54.760 How does it,

00:38:55.300 you know?

00:38:55.880 And you always wonder,

00:38:56.840 did he,

00:38:57.320 is he just that thick?

00:38:58.540 He's not though.

00:38:59.180 No, he's not.

00:38:59.800 Nick said that.

00:39:00.460 He's like,

00:39:00.660 you're not stupid,

00:39:01.500 Piers.

00:39:01.660 Come on.

00:39:02.240 He's not stupid.

00:39:03.560 And again,

00:39:04.060 you just have to move on.

00:39:05.440 Piers just had to move on

00:39:06.380 at that point.

00:39:06.980 He did a follow-up.

00:39:07.860 He lost the point.

00:39:08.580 He lost the point.

00:39:09.200 In this follow-up piece,

00:39:10.380 he did a piece with Dr. Phil

00:39:12.300 and they're going,

00:39:12.820 well,

00:39:12.940 at least you got Nick

00:39:13.600 to admit the numbers

00:39:14.620 in the event we just discussed.

00:39:16.700 And Piers going,

00:39:17.380 yeah,

00:39:17.480 that's good.

00:39:17.840 But does Piers actually

00:39:18.680 not realise Nick

00:39:19.480 was taking the piss out of him?

00:39:20.680 He does not realise.

00:39:21.140 I think he might just not care.

00:39:22.640 He's going,

00:39:23.080 yeah,

00:39:23.260 I got him to admit it.

00:39:24.160 And almost just like,

00:39:24.740 weirdly doesn't care

00:39:25.580 that he's obviously

00:39:26.060 taking the piss.

00:39:26.540 I genuinely don't think

00:39:27.740 he understood.

00:39:28.000 He just didn't know.

00:39:28.840 Okay.

00:39:29.220 When Nick was going,

00:39:29.980 I think it's more,

00:39:30.660 I'm a maximalist.

00:39:31.840 And Piers is going,

00:39:32.360 brilliant,

00:39:32.600 I've got it out of you.

00:39:33.680 Yeah,

00:39:34.020 exactly.

00:39:34.620 I genuinely think

00:39:35.480 he didn't understand.

00:39:36.080 Okay.

00:39:38.120 It's funny for Piers'

00:39:40.100 own channel called Uncensored,

00:39:41.700 but they did censor a bit.

00:39:42.760 They did,

00:39:43.120 didn't they?

00:39:43.360 Where Nick quoted Kanye

00:39:46.220 and they just cut that out.

00:39:48.400 What did they say?

00:39:49.360 What did he cut?

00:39:49.720 He said the N-word,

00:39:51.180 yeah.

00:39:51.200 I'm just going to mess

00:39:51.520 with Bo seeing

00:39:52.060 if they'll be cut out of this.

00:39:53.000 I don't want to really

00:39:54.880 damage Lotus Eater,

00:39:55.880 so I'm not going to say it.

00:39:56.760 I mean,

00:39:57.020 we want to upload

00:39:58.560 this clip on YouTube.

00:39:59.440 Yeah.

00:39:59.700 My contacts end,

00:40:00.340 I've gone crazy.

00:40:01.180 Ignore me.

00:40:03.800 Yeah,

00:40:04.300 Piers just tried,

00:40:05.720 just tried loads and loads

00:40:06.940 of gotcha moments

00:40:07.820 one after the other,

00:40:08.620 like bringing up

00:40:09.040 the word jewellery.

00:40:10.680 Yeah.

00:40:10.880 And Nick just sort of,

00:40:11.820 just sort of owns him

00:40:13.060 and the point,

00:40:13.740 just saying,

00:40:14.000 no,

00:40:14.080 that's the word they use.

00:40:15.340 Yeah.

00:40:15.740 It's not,

00:40:16.300 this isn't a gotcha moment,

00:40:17.760 Piers.

00:40:18.600 I saw a clip of Nick

00:40:19.660 for instance afterwards

00:40:20.240 saying,

00:40:21.160 look,

00:40:21.880 it's a new generation,

00:40:22.820 it's a new conversation.

00:40:25.060 We're unapologetic,

00:40:26.040 it's the year of the frog.

00:40:27.020 I think he said,

00:40:27.560 which I also laughed out loud at.

00:40:30.380 Yeah,

00:40:30.760 it's just that thing

00:40:31.260 that the accusation

00:40:32.940 of being racist

00:40:33.740 or misogynist

00:40:34.680 or anti-semitic

00:40:35.620 or whatever.

00:40:36.360 He had a good comeback on it.

00:40:36.980 These people,

00:40:37.440 these people,

00:40:38.380 like people like Nick

00:40:39.200 and myself,

00:40:40.220 I've said it myself,

00:40:40.840 I don't care.

00:40:41.560 Call me what you want.

00:40:42.240 I don't care anymore.

00:40:44.000 He had a good comeback on it.

00:40:44.500 They have no power over me

00:40:45.620 with that now.

00:40:46.900 To say,

00:40:47.500 well,

00:40:47.760 they all are

00:40:48.620 is a really interesting response,

00:40:50.640 right?

00:40:51.120 Because what it's saying is

00:40:52.320 the Zoomers

00:40:53.280 who are growing up

00:40:54.040 in the multiculti society

00:40:55.540 are surrounded by people

00:40:57.400 who have

00:40:58.220 in-group ethnic interests

00:41:00.140 and that means

00:41:01.320 that you would describe them

00:41:02.240 as racist.

00:41:02.980 And so,

00:41:03.500 the experience of the young men

00:41:05.000 who are being thrown

00:41:05.680 into this society,

00:41:07.040 like,

00:41:07.280 wow,

00:41:07.420 everyone around me

00:41:08.000 is a racist.

00:41:09.520 Well,

00:41:09.760 what's the logical thing

00:41:10.860 to do then?

00:41:12.120 You've got to kind of

00:41:12.900 do the thing yourself.

00:41:14.780 Well,

00:41:14.980 yeah,

00:41:15.220 I just,

00:41:16.020 again,

00:41:16.480 how many generations

00:41:17.400 have to pass

00:41:18.180 before the accusation

00:41:20.160 of being racist

00:41:21.960 or misogynist

00:41:23.060 or anti-Semitic

00:41:24.460 or whatever it is,

00:41:25.440 a bigot,

00:41:26.000 whatever it is,

00:41:27.260 how many years

00:41:28.220 have to pass

00:41:28.860 before,

00:41:30.420 as a collective,

00:41:31.440 we're able to just move

00:41:32.580 past that,

00:41:33.080 step over that

00:41:33.800 and say,

00:41:34.180 oh,

00:41:34.360 okay,

00:41:35.380 you think that,

00:41:36.260 fine,

00:41:36.620 but I actually want

00:41:37.340 my country back.

00:41:38.420 I'm actually going to,

00:41:38.960 I'm not going to

00:41:39.400 apologise

00:41:39.820 for even real crimes

00:41:42.720 of my ancestors.

00:41:43.540 I had nothing to do

00:41:44.220 with that.

00:41:45.080 I'm not guilty of that.

00:41:46.580 Yeah.

00:41:46.860 So,

00:41:47.260 the answer is kind of,

00:41:48.480 it's now,

00:41:49.180 isn't it?

00:41:49.360 Because this is why

00:41:50.040 this interview

00:41:50.440 is so significant.

00:41:51.600 Obviously,

00:41:52.040 people carry on

00:41:52.860 being worried

00:41:53.320 about being called racist.

00:41:54.680 Fuentes is the tip

00:41:55.420 of the spear,

00:41:55.900 but this is the moment.

00:41:56.760 It's kind of like,

00:41:57.400 oh,

00:41:57.620 they don't care anymore.

00:41:58.780 And when Pia said,

00:42:00.060 oh,

00:42:00.420 you're racist,

00:42:00.820 that's it,

00:42:01.100 I've got it out of him.

00:42:01.840 He even said,

00:42:02.280 Stephen Crowder,

00:42:02.760 what are you talking about?

00:42:03.260 I got it out of him.

00:42:03.880 It's like,

00:42:04.580 he thinks that's the end

00:42:05.320 of him.

00:42:05.560 I've won.

00:42:06.140 He said the magic word.

00:42:07.460 And I said,

00:42:08.020 no,

00:42:08.140 that's like Nick swearing

00:42:09.460 on a holy book

00:42:10.020 he doesn't believe in.

00:42:11.200 It's a fake oath for him

00:42:12.300 because he's like,

00:42:12.700 yeah,

00:42:12.840 I'm racist,

00:42:13.260 cool.

00:42:13.660 What now?

00:42:14.100 Your magic doesn't

00:42:14.720 work on me anymore.

00:42:15.700 So,

00:42:16.060 that's the crucial moment.

00:42:17.920 Yeah.

00:42:18.860 Because,

00:42:19.200 partly because so much evil

00:42:20.360 has been done

00:42:20.760 in the name of this word,

00:42:21.880 the rape gangs being

00:42:22.620 the most obvious

00:42:23.200 in this country.

00:42:24.580 Well,

00:42:24.780 the Manchester Arena bombing,

00:42:25.880 man.

00:42:26.400 I didn't want to,

00:42:27.100 I don't want to report

00:42:27.680 this suspicious guy

00:42:28.480 because I didn't want

00:42:28.940 to be called a racist.

00:42:29.780 It's like,

00:42:30.280 22 people died.

00:42:31.400 And we covered up

00:42:32.340 thousands of,

00:42:33.140 the rape and torture

00:42:33.800 of thousands of gold

00:42:34.800 because of this word.

00:42:37.380 And in America,

00:42:37.960 it's slightly different,

00:42:38.740 but it'll be similar incidents.

00:42:41.520 I mean,

00:42:42.420 I mean,

00:42:42.760 to be fair,

00:42:43.640 I don't know how anyone

00:42:44.600 could really,

00:42:45.540 like,

00:42:46.040 honestly think Piers won

00:42:47.460 because on,

00:42:48.140 like,

00:42:48.260 the key points,

00:42:49.720 on that,

00:42:50.360 for example,

00:42:51.460 Fuentes will bring up,

00:42:52.360 like,

00:42:52.500 Cole Popper

00:42:53.060 and he'll call himself,

00:42:54.320 like,

00:42:54.540 an iconoclast or something.

00:42:56.500 And,

00:42:56.960 again,

00:42:57.660 Piers Morgan has nothing

00:42:58.740 because you know if Piers Morgan

00:43:00.260 thinks he can win,

00:43:01.540 thinks he can nail you down,

00:43:03.800 thinks he can make you look

00:43:04.900 really stupid,

00:43:06.100 put his thumb on your forehead,

00:43:07.500 he would.

00:43:08.600 But he didn't.

00:43:09.260 He just moves on to the next thing.

00:43:10.420 Oh,

00:43:10.560 well,

00:43:10.740 now we're talking about women now then.

00:43:12.240 It's like,

00:43:12.420 oh,

00:43:12.860 okay.

00:43:13.880 Yeah.

00:43:14.200 Okay.

00:43:14.880 No,

00:43:15.060 Piers is not going to be able

00:43:15.640 to debate Karl Popper,

00:43:16.720 is he?

00:43:16.880 I mean,

00:43:17.040 there's no insight.

00:43:17.920 He may be clever in a sort of

00:43:19.080 shrewd way and he's good

00:43:20.000 at getting success,

00:43:21.180 but he's not an intellectual,

00:43:22.440 so he's not going to be able

00:43:23.260 to debate Nick on any of his.

00:43:24.800 Well,

00:43:24.820 right.

00:43:25.900 I mean,

00:43:26.200 so,

00:43:26.420 and then towards the end,

00:43:28.000 like the last half

00:43:28.660 of the last third of it,

00:43:29.880 there's a much more sort of

00:43:30.880 quick fire thing

00:43:31.960 where Piers Morgan's,

00:43:33.920 Piers Morgan ups the tempo

00:43:35.320 of the Gotchers' attempts.

00:43:37.800 So he goes through like women,

00:43:39.300 he goes through Trump,

00:43:40.380 MAGA,

00:43:41.860 the Tucker thing,

00:43:42.840 Candice Owens,

00:43:43.520 Charlie Kirk,

00:43:44.860 Musk,

00:43:45.920 the 2020 election,

00:43:47.160 JD Vance.

00:43:48.020 Yeah.

00:43:48.180 He just tried to just,

00:43:49.220 a quick fire,

00:43:50.500 like you're wrong on this,

00:43:51.280 aren't you?

00:43:51.660 Boom,

00:43:52.060 boom,

00:43:52.400 boom.

00:43:52.680 And Nick,

00:43:53.660 for instance,

00:43:54.220 it felt like he was just

00:43:55.580 knocking it aside

00:43:57.180 with ease,

00:43:58.080 really,

00:43:58.600 it felt like to me.

00:44:01.380 So anyway,

00:44:02.500 that happened.

00:44:04.500 And then now,

00:44:05.480 the reaction to it,

00:44:07.700 on Newsnight,

00:44:09.160 the very,

00:44:09.680 very balanced Newsnight,

00:44:12.720 had this clip,

00:44:13.180 you want to watch a bit of it,

00:44:14.160 actually watch it?

00:44:14.940 Watch some of it.

00:44:15.740 I mean,

00:44:15.940 it's six minutes.

00:44:16.240 I wonder what,

00:44:16.940 I wonder what guests

00:44:18.340 they had on.

00:44:19.420 I'm sure they had

00:44:20.560 adequate representation

00:44:21.740 to explain both sides

00:44:23.140 of the issue.

00:44:24.520 Danny?

00:44:24.960 It was the BBC,

00:44:25.760 after all.

00:44:26.840 Danny Finkelstein

00:44:27.760 and Ash Sarkar,

00:44:28.560 brilliant.

00:44:29.920 Ash,

00:44:30.400 was Danny right to engage?

00:44:33.660 I think it's really hard

00:44:34.800 to come up with

00:44:35.460 a strategy

00:44:36.420 for dealing with the rise

00:44:37.580 of someone like Nick Fuentes

00:44:38.700 and I can see that

00:44:39.800 there is a case

00:44:41.340 for saying,

00:44:42.060 well,

00:44:42.140 I'm not going to convince him

00:44:43.420 but I can try and convince

00:44:44.780 his audience

00:44:45.500 or people who could be

00:44:46.400 drawn into his audience.

00:44:47.580 I can also see the argument

00:44:48.640 against it,

00:44:49.240 which is here's someone

00:44:49.700 who is looking for attention

00:44:50.720 and what he needs

00:44:52.280 is an opponent

00:44:53.160 to bounce off of.

00:44:54.020 In terms of how do you

00:44:55.060 understand Nick Fuentes,

00:44:56.360 I think it's important

00:44:57.160 to see him as

00:44:58.160 a symptom of something.

00:45:01.260 But I might want

00:45:01.820 to ignore him.

00:45:02.780 Can I ignore him,

00:45:03.900 Danny?

00:45:04.140 Just to pause on that,

00:45:06.880 yeah,

00:45:07.180 that's true

00:45:08.060 but that symptom

00:45:10.060 is you saying,

00:45:11.320 quote,

00:45:11.580 we're winning lads.

00:45:13.360 That's what the symptom is.

00:45:14.640 It's you creating him.

00:45:16.180 Exactly.

00:45:16.780 You creating the diverse

00:45:19.120 multi-culti feminist society

00:45:20.640 that floods our countries

00:45:23.300 with foreigners

00:45:23.800 and then gives them privileges

00:45:24.940 over the native young men.

00:45:26.480 Yeah,

00:45:26.840 while saying the natives

00:45:28.100 are evil and privileged

00:45:29.020 even though they're poor

00:45:29.880 and struggling or whatever.

00:45:30.800 And that any criticism

00:45:31.640 of that is beyond the pale.

00:45:32.860 Is racist.

00:45:33.540 Yeah.

00:45:34.100 You made me.

00:45:35.480 Although she probably agrees

00:45:36.280 with him on Israel.

00:45:37.640 Probably, yeah.

00:45:38.240 Have a good chat about that.

00:45:39.160 They probably could.

00:45:41.120 But I just thought

00:45:42.140 that was interesting

00:45:42.800 how like,

00:45:43.340 oh,

00:45:43.520 you know,

00:45:43.960 it's a real symptom.

00:45:44.600 Yeah,

00:45:44.780 you are the symptom.

00:45:46.180 You literally crowing.

00:45:48.360 You know,

00:45:48.960 the white British

00:45:49.880 are the minority in London.

00:45:51.960 That's you doing that.

00:45:53.520 That's quite extreme,

00:45:54.320 isn't it?

00:45:54.620 Like,

00:45:54.860 a population being replaced

00:45:56.700 in their own country,

00:45:57.460 their only home

00:45:58.040 and you gloat over them.

00:46:00.460 That's like a provocation.

00:46:02.120 No wonder they don't care

00:46:03.000 about being called racist anymore.

00:46:05.580 Ash is completely correct.

00:46:06.640 Anyone mention that on this?

00:46:07.360 It is a dilemma.

00:46:08.440 But I met a child

00:46:10.280 and you have to choose

00:46:12.120 in the end.

00:46:12.660 Do you take them on

00:46:13.480 or do you ignore them?

00:46:15.320 I don't think

00:46:16.060 we retain the power

00:46:17.440 to simply ignore people like that.

00:46:19.420 I think he has got

00:46:20.240 his own audience.

00:46:21.340 He builds it up.

00:46:22.860 He was recently interviewed

00:46:23.940 by Tucker Carlson,

00:46:24.940 another American YouTuber,

00:46:27.500 I suppose you could call him,

00:46:28.840 broadcaster

00:46:29.880 who gave him

00:46:30.940 a very soft interview.

00:46:32.060 So I think...

00:46:33.020 Sorry,

00:46:33.420 I hate to just

00:46:34.360 continually pause,

00:46:35.520 but isn't this

00:46:36.200 a remarkable thing, right?

00:46:38.260 Look at how relaxed

00:46:39.260 she seems.

00:46:41.280 Completely in control

00:46:42.200 of the conversation.

00:46:44.700 Minority,

00:46:45.280 literal communist.

00:46:46.860 And then you have

00:46:47.360 conservative

00:46:48.100 Lord Finkelstein

00:46:49.440 going,

00:46:49.740 well, I mean,

00:46:50.140 I think I was okay

00:46:50.820 to talk to him.

00:46:51.240 I think I should talk to him.

00:46:52.460 But what are you begging

00:46:53.440 for her approval for?

00:46:54.980 What are you begging

00:46:56.020 for her approval for?

00:46:58.040 Like the literal conservative

00:46:59.760 is sat there

00:47:00.660 with the literal communist

00:47:01.640 going,

00:47:02.340 well, look,

00:47:02.720 please don't chew me out.

00:47:04.160 Why do you have any respect

00:47:05.560 for the opinion

00:47:06.240 of Ash Sarkar?

00:47:07.100 This is the range

00:47:07.880 of opinion allowed.

00:47:09.020 Tim Stanley did the same.

00:47:09.980 He did a gushing interview

00:47:10.860 with Ash Sarkar

00:47:11.720 on the Telegraph podcast,

00:47:13.600 but he's always signalling

00:47:14.800 against Rupert Lohan.

00:47:15.840 So it's like the range

00:47:17.180 is soft,

00:47:17.920 wet Tory

00:47:18.600 to literal communist.

00:47:20.340 That's the range.

00:47:20.940 And they sit there

00:47:21.460 comfortably.

00:47:21.980 Yeah, that's the range

00:47:22.460 of the BBC.

00:47:22.920 But it's the range

00:47:23.220 of the Telegraph.

00:47:23.960 And the communist

00:47:24.640 is in charge.

00:47:25.200 And Unheard of Spectator,

00:47:26.080 by the way,

00:47:26.420 as well,

00:47:26.660 as we said earlier.

00:47:27.640 This is the accepted

00:47:29.080 Overton window.

00:47:30.080 Would you like wet left

00:47:31.580 or really far extreme left?

00:47:33.900 Yeah.

00:47:34.640 I'll take the really

00:47:35.180 far extreme left,

00:47:35.880 to be honest.

00:47:36.560 At least it's more honest.

00:47:37.620 Yeah, exactly.

00:47:38.580 I mean,

00:47:38.760 people that are truly,

00:47:39.820 truly conservative

00:47:40.800 or nationalist,

00:47:41.820 even like a Sivnat.

00:47:43.460 Someone like Tommy

00:47:44.200 is beyond the pale.

00:47:45.280 Yeah, they couldn't possibly

00:47:45.980 let alone someone

00:47:47.140 that is a true patriot.

00:47:48.960 They just cannot have it.

00:47:50.460 Yeah.

00:47:51.000 And Karki can't even get

00:47:51.820 on GB News.

00:47:52.820 Probably me after this,

00:47:53.860 but people say,

00:47:54.680 well, he has been

00:47:55.080 because he's been on...

00:47:55.580 No, that's a Steve Edgerton.

00:47:56.580 That's a separate prank.

00:47:57.600 Yeah.

00:47:57.980 Let me know

00:47:58.420 when you're on the main channel.

00:47:59.720 It's very...

00:48:00.520 This is the world we're in.

00:48:01.580 It's a far...

00:48:02.100 It's left...

00:48:02.680 If it helps,

00:48:03.060 I've never tried

00:48:03.560 getting on GB News.

00:48:04.480 Well, the point is

00:48:05.340 Ofcom controls all this

00:48:07.140 and they control...

00:48:07.960 All they do is police

00:48:08.660 the current Overton window,

00:48:09.680 which is you can be

00:48:10.540 sort of centre-ish

00:48:11.560 to far left.

00:48:13.480 I'm centre.

00:48:14.940 I know.

00:48:15.240 Well, you should be allowed...

00:48:16.280 You're sensible centre.

00:48:16.940 You should be allowed on.

00:48:17.680 But I'm saying

00:48:18.140 that's what we're seeing.

00:48:19.440 Sorry, carry on.

00:48:20.300 I think Piers Morgan

00:48:20.860 was right to have him on

00:48:21.900 to challenge him

00:48:23.060 and that he thinks

00:48:24.760 he's getting the best

00:48:26.040 of the argument

00:48:26.660 by simply going,

00:48:27.660 sure, I'm a racist.

00:48:28.640 Who cares about Hitler?

00:48:30.080 But actually,

00:48:31.340 I think it's a position

00:48:32.440 he may not regret tomorrow,

00:48:34.080 but he will in 10 years' time.

00:48:35.560 I don't know.

00:48:36.760 I think he's someone

00:48:37.280 who's worked out

00:48:38.540 a bit of a threat.

00:48:41.120 He may regret that.

00:48:41.860 You know, things happen.

00:48:42.680 Accidents happen all the time.

00:48:44.740 No, just joking.

00:48:45.560 But can I just say,

00:48:46.440 sorry if this is too obvious,

00:48:47.480 Rob,

00:48:47.560 but the numbers

00:48:48.440 on the Fuentes interview

00:48:50.820 and on his live streams

00:48:52.220 all the time

00:48:52.740 versus Newsnight,

00:48:54.540 which is completely...

00:48:55.880 This has had 13,000 views.

00:48:57.420 Right.

00:48:57.660 I know someone

00:48:58.100 that used to work on it,

00:48:58.720 but it's completely

00:48:59.400 fallen apart, this show.

00:49:00.700 So I hate to make

00:49:01.440 the obvious point,

00:49:01.920 but these guys

00:49:02.700 are pretending

00:49:03.260 they're the arbiters

00:49:04.640 of anything.

00:49:05.500 No, no, you're obscure.

00:49:07.460 This is obscure

00:49:08.260 lefty bollocks.

00:49:09.440 The millions

00:49:10.080 on the Fuentes interview,

00:49:11.100 that's the mainstream.

00:49:11.760 And you look at

00:49:12.560 Tucker's numbers, say.

00:49:14.120 Yeah.

00:49:14.860 I mean, it's dominant.

00:49:16.840 It's dominant, so...

00:49:18.180 Yeah, yeah,

00:49:18.480 these guys are

00:49:19.100 literally a sideshow.

00:49:20.240 All they have, I suppose,

00:49:21.100 is that they're in touch

00:49:21.840 with the sort of

00:49:22.420 ruling elite

00:49:23.080 and in that way...

00:49:24.600 They're sat in the ivory towers,

00:49:25.720 but the crowds aren't

00:49:26.440 at the base

00:49:27.080 of the ivory tower anymore.

00:49:28.240 Right.

00:49:28.480 They're all in a coliseum

00:49:29.980 somewhere else,

00:49:30.860 ignoring what these guys

00:49:31.700 have to say.

00:49:32.760 I think it's this.

00:49:34.040 Being immersed

00:49:34.820 in a digital world

00:49:36.340 makes you more

00:49:37.060 socially isolated,

00:49:38.400 makes you worse

00:49:39.040 at interacting with people

00:49:39.940 in real life,

00:49:40.640 makes you worse

00:49:41.060 at forming relationships,

00:49:42.300 makes you scared

00:49:42.860 and resentful

00:49:43.540 of the opposite sex.

00:49:44.480 Completely unable

00:49:45.080 to find the truth anymore.

00:49:46.260 Completely...

00:49:46.720 But not just that.

00:49:48.200 You develop

00:49:49.300 this real antipathy

00:49:50.300 and hostility

00:49:50.960 for the world.

00:49:51.780 And you are isolated

00:49:52.920 and you are frightened

00:49:53.840 and you are hostile

00:49:54.640 and you feel hard done by.

00:49:56.000 And so Nick Fuentes

00:49:56.740 can come in

00:49:57.740 and appeal

00:49:58.720 to the millions

00:50:00.180 of young men

00:50:00.900 who are out there

00:50:01.500 who are looking

00:50:02.280 for someone

00:50:02.720 to feed their fantasies

00:50:04.100 of some kind of

00:50:04.740 historical purpose

00:50:06.180 and retaking

00:50:08.140 what's rightfully theirs.

00:50:09.580 Well, I think that's...

00:50:10.300 That's amazing.

00:50:11.460 That's absolutely amazing.

00:50:12.400 Let's assume

00:50:12.920 that's all true.

00:50:14.120 How did these young men

00:50:15.060 arrive at that point?

00:50:16.260 Because it used to be

00:50:17.280 that young men were like,

00:50:18.140 no, you have to get out

00:50:18.800 and get a job.

00:50:19.820 You have to get out.

00:50:20.600 You have to do something.

00:50:22.000 Now it's like,

00:50:22.760 no, nobody wants you.

00:50:23.880 We literally have

00:50:24.520 all women shortlists.

00:50:25.500 We literally have

00:50:25.940 minority shortlists.

00:50:27.300 There are literally

00:50:27.780 apprenticeships in the BBC

00:50:30.780 that are for brown people only.

00:50:33.100 No white men

00:50:33.840 are allowed

00:50:34.740 to get these things.

00:50:35.900 When the local police,

00:50:37.860 was it in Chester

00:50:38.440 or wherever,

00:50:38.860 where they got sued

00:50:39.440 by this guy,

00:50:40.460 this white guy

00:50:40.940 who was like,

00:50:41.300 no, I have the perfect resume.

00:50:42.300 And they're like,

00:50:42.540 no, you're not brown.

00:50:43.260 We're not having you.

00:50:44.000 You're not a woman.

00:50:44.560 We're not having you.

00:50:45.380 With the RAF,

00:50:46.120 all we're getting

00:50:46.480 is useless white men

00:50:47.740 applying.

00:50:48.460 It's like,

00:50:48.740 sorry, what do you mean?

00:50:50.360 These are the places

00:50:51.380 in society

00:50:52.140 that Ash is lamenting

00:50:53.640 that they're not holding anymore.

00:50:55.200 And she has been part

00:50:56.540 of this cultural wave

00:50:57.360 that has destroyed

00:50:58.320 the dignity and nobility

00:51:00.840 of the white men

00:51:02.080 who would go into those

00:51:03.220 as white men.

00:51:04.180 She's just gone,

00:51:04.640 no, there's too many

00:51:05.120 straight white men here.

00:51:06.380 And now the RAF is like,

00:51:08.580 well, we've just got

00:51:08.940 too many straight white men.

00:51:09.860 It's like, well, there we go.

00:51:10.920 You are right, Ash.

00:51:12.320 That is correct.

00:51:13.400 But you helped cause this.

00:51:15.840 And suddenly it's like,

00:51:16.820 well, they're all

00:51:17.400 in their basements

00:51:18.020 on the internet.

00:51:18.640 Yeah, because they're

00:51:19.140 not allowed the jobs.

00:51:20.680 They're not allowed

00:51:22.140 to be where they used to be.

00:51:23.720 It's quite funny.

00:51:24.200 She said it's a fantasy

00:51:24.840 they're going to have any sort of,

00:51:26.100 they're going to take

00:51:26.620 anything back.

00:51:27.160 Where she's boasting about

00:51:28.220 taking over.

00:51:28.740 I've taken it from you.

00:51:29.860 Yeah, it's actual.

00:51:30.740 She's boasting about the conquest.

00:51:31.920 Like, oh, it's a fantasy

00:51:32.500 that you're going to have

00:51:33.040 anything like that.

00:51:34.000 But let's see.

00:51:35.140 I mean, let's.

00:51:35.600 Yeah, let's see where it goes.

00:51:36.900 Like lamenting that they would,

00:51:39.660 that they've something's been,

00:51:40.800 they think something's been

00:51:42.020 stolen from them.

00:51:43.400 It's like, yeah,

00:51:44.140 like the last 15, 20 years.

00:51:46.140 Just the example,

00:51:46.780 just the examples of, say,

00:51:48.400 English heritage

00:51:49.360 and the National Trust

00:51:50.320 that's been completely

00:51:51.040 perverted and subverted.

00:51:52.760 The idea that there's

00:51:54.140 something profoundly

00:51:55.380 and fundamentally wrong

00:51:57.480 with your history and heritage.

00:51:58.720 Just that of one of many angles

00:52:00.400 you could bring up here.

00:52:01.700 I mean, this is just that.

00:52:02.700 Yeah, they feel like

00:52:03.360 they've been robbed.

00:52:03.940 Well, they have, in fact,

00:52:05.140 been robbed of something.

00:52:07.180 I mean, this Newsnight panel

00:52:09.140 is a great example.

00:52:09.940 Where's the representative

00:52:10.780 for the Nick Fuentes fans?

00:52:12.540 Yeah.

00:52:13.020 Like, where, you know,

00:52:14.360 why is there not a single,

00:52:16.080 not even the fans?

00:52:16.660 I hate him.

00:52:17.140 I hate him a bit more.

00:52:18.080 Oh, that's balance.

00:52:18.700 Yeah, exactly.

00:52:19.780 And then you've got

00:52:20.080 Robert Peston on the end.

00:52:21.000 I hate him a lot, you know.

00:52:22.460 That's not Peston, is it?

00:52:23.280 Was it?

00:52:23.680 Oh, I thought it was.

00:52:24.480 It was.

00:52:25.000 Oh, okay.

00:52:25.400 It was someone else.

00:52:26.260 But the point is, like,

00:52:27.720 where is the representation?

00:52:28.980 They're not even allowed to have,

00:52:30.340 even if it was an old guy

00:52:31.620 who was just like,

00:52:32.220 well, you know,

00:52:32.720 I think maybe we should be,

00:52:33.620 you know, Peter Hitchens-ing it.

00:52:34.980 You know, think about, you know,

00:52:36.000 what they're going through

00:52:36.680 or something like that.

00:52:37.400 It's like, no.

00:52:37.980 Right, Gordon Peterson.

00:52:39.080 Well.

00:52:39.540 Yeah, exactly.

00:52:40.220 There's no one on their side

00:52:42.100 on this.

00:52:42.260 Although Peterson hates Fenters as well.

00:52:43.540 I mean, that's a mistake

00:52:44.560 people have made as well.

00:52:45.600 They're not.

00:52:46.780 Why not come at it

00:52:48.460 from an avuncular angle?

00:52:49.400 Even Danny Pilkelstein,

00:52:50.620 okay, he may be triggered and upset.

00:52:52.520 I don't understand why,

00:52:53.240 but why not come at it

00:52:54.680 in an avuncular way?

00:52:55.900 When Peterson called Fenters a rat,

00:52:58.240 I thought it was disgusting

00:52:59.260 and insane.

00:52:59.720 It's like,

00:53:01.620 let's say he is misguided.

00:53:03.620 Don't,

00:53:03.980 haven't men always helped

00:53:05.000 misguided young men?

00:53:05.860 They've helped criminals.

00:53:07.000 They've helped, like,

00:53:07.660 in Borstal in juvenile detention.

00:53:09.500 It's like,

00:53:10.420 isn't your role to say,

00:53:11.760 okay, I get you,

00:53:12.680 I get the edgy thing.

00:53:13.840 Have you considered this?

00:53:14.860 That's much better.

00:53:15.740 That's much more persuasive.

00:53:16.820 I'm surprised he didn't.

00:53:18.180 I'm surprised.

00:53:18.820 And Finkers saying

00:53:19.540 it would have been harder to

00:53:20.380 given the stakes,

00:53:21.400 but he could have approached it.

00:53:22.660 He could have said,

00:53:24.000 and he sort of did a little bit

00:53:24.920 in his video,

00:53:25.340 but he could have said,

00:53:25.860 look, Nick,

00:53:26.160 have you thought about this?

00:53:26.840 Just come at them with that energy

00:53:28.200 rather than, like,

00:53:28.840 your scum.

00:53:31.620 Happened, you know,

00:53:32.400 in living memory, you know,

00:53:33.420 my relations actually were murdered.

00:53:35.840 Yeah.

00:53:36.080 This actually does matter to me.

00:53:37.120 You could start,

00:53:37.360 I get why you're angry.

00:53:38.560 I get that society's dumped on you

00:53:40.180 and that they thought,

00:53:41.120 but I don't think this is the way,

00:53:42.240 there's a way of doing that

00:53:43.100 if you want to do that.

00:53:44.080 Absolutely.

00:53:44.620 And I completely agree.

00:53:46.120 And instead,

00:53:47.160 they went, like,

00:53:47.900 full hostile.

00:53:49.420 And so Nick was just like,

00:53:50.500 well, I don't care

00:53:51.120 and you can't make me care.

00:53:52.620 It's like,

00:53:53.560 okay, now what?

00:53:54.420 And it's embarrassing and weird

00:53:55.380 to do it to a young person.

00:53:56.520 When Ben Shapiro did it to him,

00:53:57.980 that's what basically

00:53:58.520 created Frientes.

00:53:59.480 He crushed him in a tweet

00:54:00.680 when he was 18,

00:54:01.460 had no following.

00:54:02.680 Why are you doing that

00:54:03.340 to, like,

00:54:03.680 basically a child?

00:54:04.800 Yeah.

00:54:04.960 And now he's 27,

00:54:05.980 but he's still much younger.

00:54:06.940 It's like,

00:54:07.640 why have you,

00:54:08.340 it's something a bit pathetic about it.

00:54:09.840 Yeah.

00:54:09.960 It's like a younger person.

00:54:11.040 You sort of go,

00:54:11.460 okay, mate,

00:54:11.980 I get what you're saying.

00:54:12.920 You don't go,

00:54:13.420 oh, dare you,

00:54:14.040 shut up.

00:54:14.340 I just think it's weak.

00:54:15.300 That's exactly right.

00:54:16.880 It reveals a profound weakness

00:54:18.420 on the part of this consensus.

00:54:20.900 Yeah.

00:54:21.240 Yeah.

00:54:22.180 Anyway,

00:54:22.680 I mean,

00:54:22.980 do we need to go on?

00:54:24.080 No, not necessarily.

00:54:24.780 I don't make the point there.

00:54:25.320 Just to mention that there was,

00:54:27.280 and then they did,

00:54:28.140 he did a one-hour thing.

00:54:29.960 He had Dr. Phil,

00:54:32.460 Harry Sisson,

00:54:34.220 and Danny Finkelstein on,

00:54:35.920 but also a couple of people

00:54:36.960 I've never heard of,

00:54:37.520 but he had that Andrew Wilson

00:54:38.740 and Glenn Greenwald

00:54:39.700 who both did push back a bit.

00:54:41.220 Right, okay.

00:54:41.780 To be fair to them,

00:54:43.020 they did push back a bit.

00:54:44.320 So Piers Morgan is actually

00:54:45.560 more interesting than Newsnight

00:54:47.120 because he will actually platform

00:54:49.300 an opposing opinion.

00:54:50.560 I'll give him that.

00:54:51.480 Yeah.

00:54:51.740 That he let Andrew Wilson

00:54:53.780 and Glenn Greenwald on

00:54:54.860 is better than just,

00:54:57.120 I know,

00:54:57.320 we'll go with Danny Finkelstein

00:54:58.380 and Ash Sarkar.

00:54:59.460 I mean,

00:54:59.760 what is that really?

00:55:01.160 And even Piers capitulated slightly on,

00:55:04.000 he said,

00:55:04.720 yeah,

00:55:05.500 I shouldn't have used

00:55:06.340 his dad's first name.

00:55:07.560 And he also said,

00:55:08.620 I see your point

00:55:09.460 about the Catholic thing

00:55:10.520 a little bit as well.

00:55:11.760 Andrew Wilson made that point.

00:55:11.960 Being chased.

00:55:12.820 Yeah,

00:55:13.120 because Nick Greenwald

00:55:13.800 is following the teachings

00:55:15.200 of the Catholic Church

00:55:15.920 and the alleged Catholic Piers isn't.

00:55:17.480 So he acknowledged that a little bit.

00:55:18.520 Yeah.

00:55:19.100 Yeah, yeah.

00:55:19.500 Which is,

00:55:19.840 like you say,

00:55:20.220 better than the BBC.

00:55:20.920 Very, very small amount of credit

00:55:22.580 where it's due

00:55:23.560 on those two points.

00:55:24.720 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:55:25.120 I hate Piers Morgan.

00:55:26.380 I don't want to give him any credit.

00:55:28.020 That thumbnail is just

00:55:28.840 getting ridiculous as well,

00:55:29.980 isn't it?

00:55:31.280 It's dirty thumbnail, actually.

00:55:33.100 Anyway,

00:55:33.420 Neo Unrealist says,

00:55:34.440 we have a similar phenomenon

00:55:35.400 in the US

00:55:35.840 with the Civil War.

00:55:36.720 That's a great point.

00:55:37.820 Modern leftists expect

00:55:38.700 everyone to hate the Confederacy

00:55:39.880 and the Confederate figures

00:55:41.060 even more than people

00:55:41.720 who fought and defeated

00:55:42.300 them in the 1860s.

00:55:43.180 Yeah,

00:55:43.340 that's a great point.

00:55:43.860 TV shows like

00:55:45.500 Hogan's Heroes

00:55:46.100 and Mikhail's Navy

00:55:48.000 to name two

00:55:51.000 mock the Nazis

00:55:51.840 with actors who fought

00:55:52.660 in the war

00:55:53.020 and in one case

00:55:54.040 an actor playing a Nazi

00:55:54.840 had a family

00:55:55.300 that died in the camps.

00:55:56.060 Yeah, it's like,

00:55:57.220 again,

00:55:57.500 they just weren't this figure

00:55:58.900 of terror

00:56:00.180 when we were young.

00:56:01.740 Like,

00:56:01.860 we didn't think

00:56:02.460 we were going to lose

00:56:03.180 to the Nazis again

00:56:04.160 and yet here we are

00:56:05.400 with them going,

00:56:05.960 oh my god,

00:56:06.180 the Nazis were on the march.

00:56:07.060 It's like,

00:56:07.180 what do you mean?

00:56:08.340 You know,

00:56:08.880 we were not afraid of this.

00:56:10.320 They were just the Germans

00:56:11.180 and they were the enemies

00:56:11.980 and that's fine.

00:56:12.920 We beat our enemies.

00:56:14.040 That's enough.

00:56:14.540 Well,

00:56:14.640 we're just in an absurd place,

00:56:16.080 aren't we?

00:56:16.640 Yeah.

00:56:16.780 Where someone like Tommy Robinson

00:56:17.980 or Nigel Farage

00:56:19.480 is a Nazi.

00:56:20.960 I mean,

00:56:21.180 you're just in a,

00:56:21.840 you're in an absurd place

00:56:23.180 at that point, right?

00:56:24.040 I mean,

00:56:24.860 absolutely right.

00:56:26.420 Anyway,

00:56:26.820 let's move on.

00:56:27.500 So,

00:56:28.220 one of my favourite things

00:56:29.500 is watching LBC.

00:56:31.460 I can't do it.

00:56:32.660 Not because...

00:56:33.320 You've got a stronger stomach

00:56:34.040 than me, my friend.

00:56:34.760 Well,

00:56:35.360 I mean,

00:56:36.300 you know,

00:56:36.700 I tune into the clips

00:56:38.760 of James O'Brien every day.

00:56:40.800 I don't watch the whole show,

00:56:41.900 obviously,

00:56:42.120 but whenever a James O'Brien clip

00:56:43.940 comes up on my feed,

00:56:45.040 I watch it just to get a feel

00:56:46.800 for the parallel dimension

00:56:48.040 that he's living in, right?

00:56:49.320 Because he's living

00:56:50.060 in this weird dimension

00:56:51.100 where like,

00:56:51.920 you know,

00:56:52.180 everything about Britain is bad

00:56:53.420 and everything about foreigners

00:56:54.760 and minorities

00:56:55.320 and, you know,

00:56:55.940 LGBT and all this sort of...

00:56:57.180 This is where like true goodness

00:56:59.020 and morality resides.

00:57:00.780 And so,

00:57:01.440 you know,

00:57:01.740 Nigel Farage is on the march.

00:57:02.780 As you say,

00:57:03.180 the Nazis are coming.

00:57:04.520 You know,

00:57:04.700 it's all crashing down.

00:57:05.740 The wars are closing in.

00:57:06.720 On James O'Brien.

00:57:07.920 And one of my favourite points

00:57:09.420 has been watching Tom Swarbrick

00:57:11.120 because Tom Swarbrick

00:57:12.940 is actually not a lunatic.

00:57:15.640 And I covered this

00:57:16.780 in a clip a month ago,

00:57:18.260 in this segment a month ago,

00:57:19.780 because he'd gone to Birmingham

00:57:21.140 and he was looking around

00:57:22.660 and be like,

00:57:22.980 wow,

00:57:23.200 this stinks.

00:57:24.500 This is gross.

00:57:26.140 And...

00:57:26.340 He didn't notice,

00:57:27.520 did he?

00:57:27.660 He did start noticing.

00:57:29.200 He went to Birmingham

00:57:30.660 and found a city

00:57:31.440 full of foreigners

00:57:32.180 who were basically

00:57:32.760 wallowing in their own filth.

00:57:34.620 And he was trying to talk to them.

00:57:36.020 He's like,

00:57:36.280 have you got a problem with this?

00:57:36.980 And they're like,

00:57:37.400 no speaking English.

00:57:38.800 And he's like,

00:57:39.060 I don't know.

00:57:39.380 He's like,

00:57:39.660 but fuck.

00:57:40.300 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:57:41.280 Yeah.

00:57:41.980 And so,

00:57:42.640 you could see that he's just like,

00:57:43.840 right,

00:57:44.620 I'm not sure diversity

00:57:45.380 is as much of a strength

00:57:46.600 as they're claiming.

00:57:47.220 And I think that is the sort of,

00:57:49.660 you know,

00:57:49.940 the first bit of the red pill

00:57:52.660 that is slightly slowing,

00:57:54.500 starting to go down.

00:57:56.340 I mean,

00:57:56.580 there's this bit here

00:57:57.560 the other day

00:57:58.220 where he was like,

00:57:59.620 why is David Lammy

00:58:00.600 just laughing

00:58:01.400 at the accidental release

00:58:03.320 of sex offenders

00:58:04.140 from prison?

00:58:05.200 He's like,

00:58:05.780 that's not a good look.

00:58:07.000 I just had one thing.

00:58:07.840 I've noticed the exact same

00:58:09.280 with Swarbrick.

00:58:09.900 An academic agent,

00:58:10.880 normally very good

00:58:11.500 at neologisms.

00:58:12.400 He calls him the MPC,

00:58:13.700 which I think is wrong.

00:58:14.660 He's much more the,

00:58:15.940 he's basically Michael Douglas

00:58:17.100 in falling down,

00:58:17.860 waiting to come out.

00:58:19.020 He's just on the edge.

00:58:20.740 He was an advisor

00:58:21.520 for Theresa May briefly,

00:58:22.660 not exactly far right,

00:58:24.380 but he's not the usual

00:58:25.560 LBC leftist mania.

00:58:27.380 So he's in there just going,

00:58:28.560 and he's surrounded

00:58:29.400 by complete mania,

00:58:30.260 as you say.

00:58:30.780 So he's there going,

00:58:31.240 am I completely insane here?

00:58:32.460 And he can barely take it.

00:58:34.520 I'm surprised the powers

00:58:35.740 that be at LBC

00:58:37.160 haven't fired him by now.

00:58:38.700 Well,

00:58:38.880 it's,

00:58:40.240 the clock is ticking.

00:58:41.440 The clock is definitely ticking.

00:58:43.180 So there's one thing

00:58:44.020 being like,

00:58:44.400 you know,

00:58:44.660 David Lammy,

00:58:45.220 is this a good look,

00:58:45.900 which is fairly milquetoast,

00:58:47.320 fairly normal.

00:58:48.600 And then he gets to like,

00:58:49.580 people emigrating to Dubai.

00:58:51.540 And all he says,

00:58:52.880 I mean,

00:58:53.120 this is quite funny.

00:58:54.140 We'll watch some of the clips,

00:58:55.140 but not all of them.

00:58:55.920 All he says in this one is like,

00:58:56.800 well,

00:58:57.220 I mean,

00:58:57.620 this woman's emigrating to Dubai

00:58:59.220 for her children and her sanity,

00:59:00.620 but they're forgoing British values.

00:59:02.340 It's like,

00:59:02.920 yeah,

00:59:03.100 it's almost like there are more important things

00:59:04.680 than British values.

00:59:05.860 This was based,

00:59:06.840 this one,

00:59:07.140 yeah.

00:59:07.220 He said,

00:59:07.480 you're going over there for your personal wealth

00:59:09.040 and you're abandoning British values.

00:59:11.400 And he did mean E3 and things like

00:59:13.040 the sort of liberal values

00:59:14.500 that he kind of meant.

00:59:15.580 But still,

00:59:16.000 he's basically saying,

00:59:16.480 they've got terrible human rights.

00:59:17.460 You just want the money.

00:59:18.440 It was pretty based in a way.

00:59:20.200 Is that aimed at Richard Ticey's?

00:59:22.540 No,

00:59:22.740 no,

00:59:22.840 no.

00:59:23.000 It was aimed at the caller.

00:59:24.040 Some caller.

00:59:24.700 But the point is,

00:59:26.140 you can see that this is like

00:59:27.140 getting into his mind

00:59:27.980 because this is a great little clip

00:59:30.220 where you can see.

00:59:31.100 We are being absolutely turned over

00:59:34.400 left,

00:59:35.480 right and centre.

00:59:36.620 We've been in Seville

00:59:37.520 for the last few days

00:59:38.580 and in the touristy bits,

00:59:40.180 the really touristy bits.

00:59:41.940 And we sat at this cafe

00:59:42.900 and there was six of us

00:59:44.640 and so drinks were had

00:59:46.920 and there's beverages everywhere

00:59:48.420 and lagers going down

00:59:50.000 and cokes for the kids

00:59:52.140 and da, da, da.

00:59:52.740 Anyway,

00:59:53.080 got this bill at the end of the thing.

00:59:55.300 Five pints,

00:59:56.740 two glasses of wine,

00:59:57.780 couple of cokes,

00:59:58.440 20 euros.

00:59:59.860 20,

01:00:00.300 so what,

01:00:00.740 18 quid

01:00:01.420 in the most central touristy bit

01:00:04.420 of a very touristy area of Spain.

01:00:08.280 That's,

01:00:08.880 and it just makes you realise

01:00:10.380 household bills,

01:00:12.480 council tax,

01:00:13.460 energy bills,

01:00:14.340 prices at the shops,

01:00:15.240 prices at the pumps.

01:00:16.140 We are being squeezed

01:00:18.340 in a way that I just don't think

01:00:20.480 other parts of Europe,

01:00:22.420 let alone other parts of the world,

01:00:23.400 are feeling at all.

01:00:25.440 And so you can see why he's like,

01:00:27.360 but what about your British values?

01:00:28.580 It's like,

01:00:28.940 yeah,

01:00:29.180 no,

01:00:29.440 no,

01:00:29.520 you know.

01:00:30.300 And I had the same experience

01:00:31.320 when I went to Italy

01:00:32.080 a couple of months ago.

01:00:33.400 It was just like,

01:00:34.040 wow,

01:00:34.220 this is way cheaper

01:00:35.320 than it is here.

01:00:36.740 And so you can see

01:00:38.020 there's a real structural problem.

01:00:40.520 The people in the government

01:00:41.200 are laughing,

01:00:41.700 we're getting completely ripped off.

01:00:43.920 It's a lot cheaper elsewhere.

01:00:45.140 People are fleeing to Dubai

01:00:46.400 regardless of the British values.

01:00:48.560 You can see that like,

01:00:49.840 if he's like the NPC,

01:00:51.620 it's the NPC where the bits

01:00:53.000 are falling off

01:00:53.740 and the angry face

01:00:55.560 is coming out behind it,

01:00:56.720 right?

01:00:57.080 It's just like,

01:00:57.700 well,

01:00:57.780 hang on a second.

01:00:58.820 Why is this happening?

01:01:00.200 And I think that the more Tom

01:01:02.080 is exposed to,

01:01:03.220 well,

01:01:03.820 frankly,

01:01:04.480 the world,

01:01:05.240 reality,

01:01:05.680 reality and more importantly,

01:01:07.760 radical leftism,

01:01:08.940 the more sceptical he's becoming

01:01:10.640 of the narratives

01:01:11.400 that he's been fed.

01:01:13.580 This particular one I enjoyed

01:01:15.440 where he had a chat

01:01:16.060 with Gender Clinic founder

01:01:17.340 Helen Webley

01:01:18.140 about the science

01:01:19.220 of gender affirming care.

01:01:20.760 I wish we had a blood test.

01:01:21.980 I wish we had a brain scan.

01:01:23.320 I wish we had a psychological test.

01:01:25.740 But actually,

01:01:26.340 the only test we have

01:01:27.520 is asking somebody

01:01:28.500 for their own experiences,

01:01:30.400 their own personal sense

01:01:32.200 of identity

01:01:33.100 and whether they themselves

01:01:34.840 in every single soul,

01:01:36.660 cells in their heart,

01:01:37.860 soul and body

01:01:38.480 identify as female

01:01:40.040 or male

01:01:40.660 or somewhere in between.

01:01:41.440 That's not science,

01:01:41.560 isn't it?

01:01:41.860 That's very nice

01:01:42.360 to talk to people.

01:01:43.560 What science are you asking for?

01:01:45.160 Are you asking for the blood test

01:01:46.380 or the brain scan?

01:01:47.220 Because there isn't one.

01:01:48.160 I'm asking for the science

01:01:49.080 of the soul

01:01:51.260 that I think you described.

01:01:52.420 You talked about the soul,

01:01:54.260 that the soul is somehow

01:01:55.900 different to the body.

01:01:57.720 So it's like saying,

01:01:58.820 well,

01:01:58.900 what's the science

01:01:59.700 behind someone

01:02:01.280 who has euphoria

01:02:02.880 or dysphoria

01:02:03.760 or has a feeling,

01:02:05.120 has an understanding?

01:02:06.160 You speak to them.

01:02:07.000 We have brains.

01:02:07.640 You know,

01:02:08.200 you speak to them,

01:02:08.780 you ask them

01:02:09.280 and you understand

01:02:10.360 what they are saying.

01:02:11.780 And that is on the basis

01:02:12.680 of the eight-year-old soul

01:02:14.080 is telling them.

01:02:14.900 Oh, I see.

01:02:15.280 So we don't listen

01:02:15.920 to eight-year-olds now.

01:02:16.980 So an eight-year-old

01:02:17.940 comes and says,

01:02:18.900 Mum, I'm sad.

01:02:19.960 Mum, I'm unhappy.

01:02:20.940 Mum, I'm being bullied.

01:02:22.020 Mum, I'm not a girl.

01:02:23.440 We believe everything

01:02:24.660 but not that one.

01:02:25.640 We teach our children

01:02:26.620 to come to us

01:02:28.200 when they have an issue

01:02:29.540 and we believe them.

01:02:30.680 But I'm asking you

01:02:31.500 what the science is

01:02:32.560 that says that that child is...

01:02:34.180 We've been through this.

01:02:34.780 What are you wanting?

01:02:35.280 The blood test

01:02:35.760 or the brain scan?

01:02:36.480 Is that what you want?

01:02:37.180 Or is it the words that...

01:02:38.920 I want the brain scan of her.

01:02:41.200 The psychological test.

01:02:42.820 But you can see

01:02:43.700 where he's like,

01:02:44.400 right,

01:02:44.800 so very sceptical of this.

01:02:47.500 It's like,

01:02:47.760 right,

01:02:47.960 so I'm supposed to believe

01:02:48.820 that the eight-year-old soul

01:02:50.200 is in the wrong body.

01:02:52.160 Yeah,

01:02:52.420 I do believe in the soul

01:02:53.140 but not that it's

01:02:53.560 in the wrong body.

01:02:54.160 And that list was a bit

01:02:55.080 in Congress.

01:02:56.060 I'm unhappy.

01:02:57.040 I'm being bullied.

01:02:57.960 They seem quite factual.

01:02:58.680 I'm a girl.

01:02:59.720 What?

01:03:00.160 It's like,

01:03:00.720 those aren't similar.

01:03:01.940 I see what you did there

01:03:02.700 but they're not similar.

01:03:03.860 There's loads of things

01:03:04.760 you have to disregard

01:03:05.760 from a small child.

01:03:06.900 Yes.

01:03:07.260 I'm a dragon.

01:03:07.800 Loads of things.

01:03:08.600 My daughter is a dinosaur

01:03:09.920 every day.

01:03:10.500 You get a little toddler,

01:03:11.680 probably younger than eight,

01:03:12.520 but a little toddler

01:03:13.200 gets under the sink

01:03:14.600 and has got a bleach

01:03:15.420 and wants to drink it.

01:03:16.400 You yank it out of its hand

01:03:17.400 and it throws a wobbler

01:03:18.440 because you're not letting it

01:03:20.400 do what it wants.

01:03:21.240 Happens all the time.

01:03:21.580 Yeah,

01:03:21.700 that's right.

01:03:22.260 Yeah,

01:03:22.380 that's the correct thing to do.

01:03:23.540 Yeah,

01:03:23.640 you don't let it drink bleach.

01:03:25.100 You don't let an eight-year-old

01:03:26.280 decide its gender

01:03:27.140 on a win.

01:03:27.880 It's like,

01:03:28.080 we're not letting eight-year-olds

01:03:29.260 run society anymore.

01:03:30.080 What happened?

01:03:30.540 Yeah,

01:03:30.760 yeah.

01:03:31.700 What's the nutter?

01:03:32.880 And is there some science

01:03:33.660 behind this?

01:03:34.060 No.

01:03:34.680 No.

01:03:35.020 No,

01:03:35.380 this is theology.

01:03:37.020 We're talking about their soul,

01:03:38.940 you know,

01:03:39.220 we ask them the words.

01:03:40.180 It's like,

01:03:40.580 okay,

01:03:40.900 so this is complete woo.

01:03:43.160 And also,

01:03:43.760 it's total woo.

01:03:44.560 We ask the eight-year-old

01:03:45.280 in a culture

01:03:45.820 absolutely drenched

01:03:46.740 with this garbage

01:03:47.320 if they've picked any of it up

01:03:48.620 and want to repeat it back to us.

01:03:49.780 It turns out sometimes they have.

01:03:51.660 But anyway,

01:03:52.400 Tom's a dad

01:03:52.940 and you can see that

01:03:53.600 this is just like,

01:03:54.340 yeah,

01:03:54.600 this is not going to wash

01:03:55.480 with my kids.

01:03:56.780 And so,

01:03:57.480 people have started noticing,

01:03:58.920 actually,

01:03:59.220 they're like,

01:03:59.480 oh my god,

01:04:00.780 Tom Swarbrick,

01:04:01.600 he's getting a bit

01:04:02.420 as virically transphobic

01:04:03.720 as Shayla Fogarty.

01:04:05.420 Like,

01:04:05.620 what's going on here?

01:04:06.720 This is raving bigots.

01:04:09.220 And for example,

01:04:10.300 like,

01:04:10.440 when he was confronted

01:04:12.040 with the one in three kids

01:04:15.400 in Glasgow

01:04:15.960 not being native English speakers,

01:04:18.000 he was just like,

01:04:19.320 is that normal?

01:04:20.560 Is that normal?

01:04:21.440 Let's watch a bit.

01:04:21.980 Throughout all of history.

01:04:22.940 Yeah, yeah.

01:04:24.020 The fact that people

01:04:24.760 come into this country

01:04:25.860 from other countries,

01:04:27.960 perhaps there's

01:04:28.820 some other drivers

01:04:29.680 that are going on,

01:04:30.320 for example,

01:04:31.300 the fact that Britain

01:04:32.400 keeps going around

01:04:33.060 bombing other people's countries

01:04:34.300 or taking quite wars.

01:04:35.740 You're saying that there's people

01:04:36.600 who don't speak English.

01:04:37.580 Are you talking about

01:04:38.240 German speakers?

01:04:39.220 No,

01:04:39.420 I'm not.

01:04:40.040 Sorry,

01:04:40.640 Robina,

01:04:41.260 you are projecting...

01:04:43.160 I'm talking about people of colour.

01:04:43.980 That's who you're talking about.

01:04:44.900 Right,

01:04:45.240 okay.

01:04:45.480 Let's just get straight to it.

01:04:46.180 Fine,

01:04:46.520 fine.

01:04:46.780 It must be some latent

01:04:49.040 covert racism

01:04:51.580 that has just boiled

01:04:52.400 to the surface.

01:04:53.200 No,

01:04:53.280 I never said racism.

01:04:54.920 I'm saying to you

01:04:55.820 that has been made

01:04:56.660 it to be about people of colour.

01:04:56.900 You brought race into it.

01:04:58.180 Why does this have to turn

01:04:59.240 into a question of race

01:05:00.420 in your mind?

01:05:01.340 Everything that you're suggesting

01:05:03.180 about immigration

01:05:04.360 and newcomers,

01:05:05.960 what is...

01:05:06.260 Are you talking about Ukrainians?

01:05:08.020 Could well be,

01:05:08.540 absolutely.

01:05:09.180 Yep,

01:05:09.620 yep.

01:05:10.780 Okay,

01:05:11.340 let's talk about Germans.

01:05:12.780 Let's talk about French.

01:05:14.040 But why did you bring race into it?

01:05:15.820 I don't understand why you're

01:05:16.780 essentially accusing...

01:05:17.740 Why are you implying

01:05:18.900 that this is about race

01:05:19.840 by using coded language?

01:05:21.040 You're using a code.

01:05:22.480 What's the code?

01:05:23.780 Please decode it for me.

01:05:25.580 It'd be very difficult for you

01:05:26.580 to say,

01:05:26.980 see these blacks

01:05:27.700 and browns,

01:05:28.820 they're a big problem

01:05:29.700 in this country.

01:05:30.760 It'd be very difficult

01:05:31.580 for one to say,

01:05:32.440 I'm not directing it at you,

01:05:33.460 I'm directing it at the debate.

01:05:35.500 So,

01:05:36.000 you can see how he's like,

01:05:37.840 well,

01:05:38.300 I mean,

01:05:38.780 there's a problem with that,

01:05:39.700 but I'm not going to go that far,

01:05:40.840 right?

01:05:41.260 I'm not going to go that far.

01:05:42.800 And,

01:05:43.100 and just getting to that point,

01:05:44.940 I mean,

01:05:45.160 that was a very neutral

01:05:46.420 Sivnap position.

01:05:48.160 Just getting to that point

01:05:48.900 is just people,

01:05:49.460 oh my God,

01:05:50.420 I thought he was half reasonable,

01:05:51.500 but he seems to be racing

01:05:52.320 to the far right

01:05:53.140 at the speed of light.

01:05:55.640 Is that person not being ironic?

01:05:57.200 They really...

01:05:57.760 No, no,

01:05:58.120 they're not being ironic.

01:05:59.060 The LBC is Reform Radio now.

01:06:00.980 And the thing is,

01:06:01.940 I think they're kind of right

01:06:03.160 because he has also been like,

01:06:05.340 hang on a second,

01:06:06.640 are 15-year-old girls

01:06:07.780 really responsible

01:06:08.680 for the Afghan migrants

01:06:09.820 raping them?

01:06:11.420 And one caller says,

01:06:12.560 well,

01:06:12.940 yes.

01:06:14.340 We need to give more education

01:06:15.820 on our young girls

01:06:16.780 because our young girls

01:06:18.140 approach these foreign guys

01:06:19.460 and when their friends

01:06:21.100 start laughing at them...

01:06:22.040 It's up to the girls

01:06:23.080 to not approach people

01:06:25.080 who they think

01:06:25.640 might be foreign.

01:06:27.100 Let's not get into the,

01:06:28.480 into a situation

01:06:29.540 where we pull ourselves

01:06:30.740 and get ourselves

01:06:31.600 into trouble.

01:06:32.340 That's my point.

01:06:33.460 But my other point is,

01:06:34.840 let's also educate our normal people.

01:06:35.340 There's a 15-year-old girl

01:06:36.760 having a drinking vodka.

01:06:38.320 Yep,

01:06:38.540 she's drinking vodka

01:06:39.240 with her friend.

01:06:39.860 She gets separated

01:06:40.520 from her friend

01:06:41.140 and these two individuals

01:06:42.260 take her off

01:06:42.900 into,

01:06:43.340 into woodland.

01:06:46.000 That part is wrong.

01:06:47.280 That,

01:06:47.560 that I totally don't agree with.

01:06:48.920 So what's that girl

01:06:49.380 meant to,

01:06:50.040 and this is what,

01:06:51.000 this,

01:06:51.220 oh God.

01:06:53.360 What is that girl

01:06:54.560 meant to,

01:06:55.320 now don't laugh,

01:06:56.460 you despicable man.

01:06:57.460 Why are you blaming

01:07:00.260 a 15-year-old girl

01:07:01.720 for her own rape?

01:07:03.960 I was a bit,

01:07:04.420 I was confused about this clip.

01:07:05.880 I was going to post about it

01:07:06.800 because I was infuriated as well.

01:07:08.340 But then,

01:07:08.820 I thought,

01:07:09.320 I didn't like he was saying

01:07:10.020 our girls when he,

01:07:10.920 to me,

01:07:11.180 had a South African accent.

01:07:12.120 I was like,

01:07:12.300 they're not our.

01:07:12.620 He's a foreigner, yeah.

01:07:13.040 Well then I suddenly thought,

01:07:14.640 is this a South African

01:07:15.660 trying,

01:07:16.520 being careful on the radio,

01:07:17.520 but trying to warn

01:07:18.340 people like,

01:07:19.320 this happens in my country,

01:07:20.300 here's what you've got to do.

01:07:21.140 It just came to my head

01:07:21.920 that it might be that.

01:07:23.560 He's basically saying,

01:07:24.280 I've dealt with this

01:07:25.000 and you've got to be careful

01:07:26.260 about foreigners.

01:07:27.660 I'm not sure

01:07:28.200 that's what you're saying.

01:07:29.100 He might have just been saying

01:07:30.140 that it's South Asian to me,

01:07:31.620 but anyway,

01:07:32.560 he doesn't matter.

01:07:33.200 He's not a native, right?

01:07:34.580 And the point is,

01:07:36.380 you can see,

01:07:36.820 he's getting a bit pissed off

01:07:38.180 with this.

01:07:38.740 What are you laughing for?

01:07:40.200 You're blaming this 15-year-old

01:07:41.580 for literally getting raped

01:07:42.600 by a couple of Afghans.

01:07:43.360 No, if he was doing that,

01:07:44.140 it's completely sick.

01:07:45.140 It is like in real time,

01:07:46.980 when you scratch the surface,

01:07:47.940 once you notice one thing,

01:07:49.800 suddenly whole new vistas

01:07:51.240 of red peel-ness

01:07:52.320 opens up before you, right?

01:07:54.060 Once you accept

01:07:54.780 and you realise

01:07:55.240 you actually challenge

01:07:56.340 the cognitive dissonance

01:07:57.520 and the craziness of it.

01:07:59.060 Once you pop,

01:07:59.640 you can't stop.

01:08:00.360 Yeah, you started noticing

01:08:01.440 there's no going back.

01:08:02.900 When she began

01:08:03.280 to rip the plaster off,

01:08:04.680 you realise,

01:08:05.120 oh, oh.

01:08:06.800 No, this girl doesn't bear

01:08:07.740 any responsibility

01:08:08.540 for this rape.

01:08:09.980 It's the two Afghan migrants

01:08:11.560 who separated her

01:08:12.540 from her friend

01:08:13.020 and then abused her

01:08:14.200 that do.

01:08:14.960 And people are starting

01:08:15.880 to notice.

01:08:16.460 Tom Swarbrick just ran

01:08:17.400 a phone in

01:08:17.960 arguing that asylum seekers

01:08:19.120 should be kept indoors

01:08:20.420 until their claims are settled

01:08:21.460 or we know who they are.

01:08:22.980 Incredibly,

01:08:23.460 he thinks this isn't

01:08:24.300 an extremist position.

01:08:25.260 But, I mean,

01:08:26.400 it's not.

01:08:28.100 Like, that's a perfectly

01:08:29.060 reasonable position

01:08:29.940 for a far right.

01:08:32.300 Not just indoors,

01:08:33.720 behind lock and key.

01:08:34.880 Yeah, you are literally

01:08:35.580 like behind bars.

01:08:37.060 I mean,

01:08:37.320 you broke into the country.

01:08:38.660 We don't know who you are.

01:08:40.040 We're not just going to give you

01:08:40.840 access to the country.

01:08:41.980 But that's a far right position,

01:08:43.380 you see,

01:08:43.680 because the moderate

01:08:44.640 centrist liberal consensus

01:08:46.120 is give them your money

01:08:47.800 and give them access

01:08:48.840 to as many children

01:08:49.620 as they can handle.

01:08:50.860 That's literally

01:08:51.460 the moderate liberal consensus.

01:08:52.640 Love their last sentence.

01:08:53.360 But we don't put curfews

01:08:54.300 on all white males

01:08:55.160 because of minority rates.

01:08:56.360 They think they just put

01:08:57.320 curfews on every white male.

01:08:59.300 Do you remember those stats

01:08:59.940 during COVID, by the way,

01:09:00.860 when people just after COVID

01:09:02.200 saying, like,

01:09:02.560 yeah, we should have curfews

01:09:03.340 continuing forever?

01:09:04.800 People are insane

01:09:05.440 when it comes to...

01:09:05.940 They are.

01:09:07.040 Let's move on

01:09:07.740 to the grooming gangs

01:09:08.620 because, believe it or not,

01:09:10.540 Tom is not actually

01:09:11.600 on the narrative

01:09:12.460 of the grooming gangs either.

01:09:14.640 He's, again,

01:09:15.200 he's got a very

01:09:15.760 far-right narrative.

01:09:16.760 I think Tom's about

01:09:17.560 a few shows off

01:09:18.540 joining Lotus Eaters

01:09:19.320 is what I'm hearing.

01:09:19.900 What the hell are we doing?

01:09:22.500 What the hell are we doing

01:09:24.140 that means that

01:09:25.160 the police in this country,

01:09:27.060 the judiciary in this country,

01:09:29.260 the people responsible

01:09:30.240 for protecting

01:09:31.120 the most vulnerable people

01:09:32.300 in society

01:09:32.920 at their most vulnerable point

01:09:35.140 in their lives

01:09:36.480 say, actually, no,

01:09:37.820 we think you were

01:09:38.380 in love with him.

01:09:39.160 That the 13-year-old

01:09:40.360 was in love

01:09:41.080 with the 56-year-old man

01:09:42.660 who already had three children.

01:09:43.980 The police

01:09:44.720 and the prosecution services

01:09:46.000 responsible for bringing

01:09:47.420 people to justice

01:09:48.200 say, nah,

01:09:49.980 downgrade that one.

01:09:52.060 Great question, Tom.

01:09:53.740 Based?

01:09:54.500 Very based.

01:09:55.140 I mean, you can't argue

01:09:56.180 with it, can you?

01:09:57.400 No.

01:09:57.720 There's a man that's beginning

01:09:58.580 to be honest with himself.

01:10:00.000 Yes.

01:10:00.680 It sounds like.

01:10:01.620 Because I don't watch him ever.

01:10:03.320 I never watch LBC ever.

01:10:05.040 As you say,

01:10:05.560 I mean, lots of people

01:10:06.260 are watching him

01:10:06.820 and lots of people are like,

01:10:07.460 well, hang on a second,

01:10:08.080 this sounds like far right.

01:10:09.520 It's like, well,

01:10:11.080 there's a reason

01:10:11.980 that he's, like,

01:10:13.380 asking these questions

01:10:14.160 and everyone keeps

01:10:14.860 essentially triangulating

01:10:16.220 over the same sort of,

01:10:17.760 you know,

01:10:18.140 square of ground politically.

01:10:19.940 It's like, right, okay, no,

01:10:21.120 they shouldn't be blaming

01:10:22.360 the 15-year-old.

01:10:23.540 They shouldn't be saying

01:10:24.840 that the grooming gang victim

01:10:26.360 actually is in love

01:10:27.100 with their thing.

01:10:27.640 You know, we should be

01:10:28.540 actually doing some of this.

01:10:29.780 We aren't getting

01:10:30.180 completely screwed economically.

01:10:31.420 What is going on?

01:10:32.400 And everyone just keeps coming

01:10:33.620 to the position we're at,

01:10:35.060 basically,

01:10:35.480 which is,

01:10:35.880 this is all on purpose.

01:10:37.240 And if he is an MBC,

01:10:38.020 it's that he's the normal

01:10:39.120 English bloke.

01:10:40.020 He's such a normal English bloke.

01:10:40.880 He went to boarding school,

01:10:41.760 he's a bit posh,

01:10:42.280 but he's a normal English bloke

01:10:43.120 who's just going,

01:10:44.240 am I crazy here?

01:10:45.280 So he does represent

01:10:46.460 the way things have gone so mad.

01:10:48.500 It's not even really

01:10:49.120 that he's gone to the far right,

01:10:50.160 is it?

01:10:50.340 It's just that he's...

01:10:51.440 It's just the far right

01:10:51.920 has come to him.

01:10:52.680 Basically.

01:10:53.180 That's, you know,

01:10:53.680 literally like everything else.

01:10:55.980 You know,

01:10:56.460 now you're in the far right.

01:10:57.540 I mean, like,

01:10:57.860 you've got your Don McGowan

01:10:58.860 being like,

01:10:59.500 just heard Tom Swarbrick

01:11:00.420 do a yeah,

01:11:00.980 but about Andrew Tate.

01:11:02.680 It's like,

01:11:02.920 oh, well,

01:11:03.300 Andrew Tate should never,

01:11:04.840 no defence for that vile

01:11:06.060 excuse for a human being.

01:11:07.260 Not one ever.

01:11:08.060 Well, welcome to the far right, Tom.

01:11:09.940 This guy's got me,

01:11:10.640 but I never know who he is.

01:11:11.660 Oh, he's just some lefty lunatic.

01:11:13.480 He's not in any way interesting.

01:11:15.800 But then you've got like,

01:11:16.860 you know,

01:11:17.060 what should the punishment

01:11:18.160 for the grooming gangs be?

01:11:19.760 And again,

01:11:20.760 the far right is caught up with Tom.

01:11:22.980 If we can put the sound on.

01:11:24.160 It is racist

01:11:27.340 and will lead to a two-tier system

01:11:29.660 based on whether you are born in the UK

01:11:31.080 or acquired citizenship via eligibility.

01:11:33.760 All grooming gang paedophiles

01:11:35.200 should be given the same sanction.

01:11:36.680 Prison for life.

01:11:37.880 Their ethnicity or route to citizenship

01:11:39.720 is irrelevant.

01:11:40.780 Lock them up.

01:11:42.180 Joe,

01:11:42.660 I think that the easy answer is

01:11:44.380 they spend the rest of their life in prison.

01:11:46.420 Unfortunately,

01:11:46.980 they don't spend the rest of their life in prison.

01:11:48.940 I really,

01:11:49.980 really reject the notion

01:11:51.100 that this is racist

01:11:52.440 because I don't care

01:11:54.320 what the colour of your skin,

01:11:55.320 I don't care where you come from.

01:11:56.500 If you commit a crime of this type

01:11:57.980 and you are a dual citizen,

01:11:59.340 I think the government

01:11:59.940 should reserve the right

01:12:01.500 to revoke your British citizenship.

01:12:05.240 Again,

01:12:05.920 that's not a racial thing.

01:12:07.300 It's not a religious-based description

01:12:09.340 or decision.

01:12:10.560 If you are a dual national

01:12:11.820 from Britain and,

01:12:13.600 I don't know,

01:12:14.040 France or Italy or wherever,

01:12:16.460 you know,

01:12:16.960 you are,

01:12:17.460 you're a white guy.

01:12:18.380 You're a black woman.

01:12:19.260 It doesn't matter.

01:12:19.960 Normal man has normal opinion.

01:12:23.520 Exactly.

01:12:24.860 Wants to deport the rapists.

01:12:27.340 Good point, Tom.

01:12:28.840 Yeah.

01:12:29.240 Good point.

01:12:29.780 With the other way, buddy.

01:12:31.220 Yeah,

01:12:31.520 and then you start getting into

01:12:33.000 questions of identity, right?

01:12:34.780 So,

01:12:35.560 he had this conversation

01:12:36.620 with an Indian man

01:12:38.680 who was like,

01:12:39.540 I'm not English.

01:12:40.660 Why are you saying I'm English?

01:12:42.800 And,

01:12:43.260 again,

01:12:43.620 look at the expression on his face.

01:12:44.840 You can see that he's deep in thought on this.

01:12:46.600 He's like,

01:12:46.920 right,

01:12:47.900 I know what the narrative is.

01:12:49.460 Anyone born in England is English.

01:12:51.360 Isn't it?

01:12:51.820 Ipso facto.

01:12:53.440 But this Indian guy

01:12:54.540 is making a point.

01:12:55.840 I'm really speaking from an Indian person,

01:12:57.840 British Indian.

01:12:58.920 I'm proudly British,

01:13:00.580 fiercely British.

01:13:01.340 Love it.

01:13:02.140 I can't stand it when Indians say

01:13:03.660 they are English.

01:13:04.920 It really,

01:13:05.780 really,

01:13:06.160 really frustrates me.

01:13:07.460 I'll tell you why.

01:13:08.260 I will say to them,

01:13:09.080 look at yourself in the mirror,

01:13:10.220 get a picture of your parents

01:13:11.240 and look at them.

01:13:12.160 Are your parents Indian or not?

01:13:13.840 Yes,

01:13:14.060 they are.

01:13:14.620 My friend,

01:13:15.240 you are Indian.

01:13:15.820 Just because you're born in a country

01:13:17.880 doesn't mean you were that.

01:13:19.360 They're born in Britain.

01:13:20.780 That means they are British,

01:13:22.060 no?

01:13:22.900 Yes,

01:13:23.280 British,

01:13:23.640 yes.

01:13:23.820 I agree with that.

01:13:25.400 If they were born in England,

01:13:27.000 they were English.

01:13:27.540 Go get a DNA test

01:13:29.020 and what would that come back and say?

01:13:30.160 You're probably,

01:13:30.640 you're coming from that part of the world,

01:13:32.020 you're Indian.

01:13:32.180 Okay,

01:13:32.400 so how,

01:13:32.860 okay,

01:13:33.160 fine.

01:13:33.760 Fine.

01:13:34.220 So how many generations back

01:13:35.600 do we have to go

01:13:36.340 before we say,

01:13:37.240 yeah,

01:13:37.440 okay,

01:13:37.820 you are pure English enough?

01:13:41.680 You know,

01:13:41.920 you've got,

01:13:42.580 my granddad was Scottish.

01:13:44.580 Do I,

01:13:44.760 do I,

01:13:45.400 you know,

01:13:45.680 I'm,

01:13:45.900 I'm,

01:13:46.220 what am I?

01:13:46.700 I'm an eighth,

01:13:47.680 no,

01:13:47.920 quarter Scottish.

01:13:49.240 I would,

01:13:49.540 I would personally identify,

01:13:51.100 if I was you,

01:13:52.040 there's a yes,

01:13:52.780 quarter eight Scottish,

01:13:53.680 that would be,

01:13:54.160 that would be part of you,

01:13:55.140 who you are.

01:13:55.980 Now,

01:13:56.220 if you then choose to say you're English,

01:13:58.320 that,

01:13:58.560 that's your choice,

01:14:00.020 but you're not.

01:14:00.820 But I am.

01:14:02.480 Look at your DNA line and stuff.

01:14:04.240 Look at your quarter.

01:14:04.620 I'm sorry,

01:14:05.100 that's just the way it is.

01:14:06.200 Okay,

01:14:06.420 well,

01:14:06.600 I'm a sort of,

01:14:07.740 if we look at my DNA line,

01:14:09.340 Jazz,

01:14:09.620 I've sort of emerged out of the swampy bog of the River Ribble.

01:14:17.200 I love how base the caller man is like,

01:14:18.880 not English.

01:14:19.780 You've got that quarter Scottish.

01:14:21.340 You filthy,

01:14:22.220 John.

01:14:23.840 One drop rule from the Indian caller.

01:14:25.840 But you can see like,

01:14:28.320 he's just like,

01:14:28.940 okay,

01:14:29.320 I'm being presented with a bunch of things that are obviously true.

01:14:33.780 I can't actually deny them.

01:14:35.240 And you look at the expression on his face,

01:14:36.340 he's just like,

01:14:37.260 well,

01:14:37.580 where am I supposed to go from this?

01:14:39.800 You know?

01:14:40.160 Even that one was new for him.

01:14:41.260 The English one he hadn't thought of.

01:14:42.680 He hadn't,

01:14:43.180 distinction between British and English hadn't occurred to him,

01:14:45.220 it looked like.

01:14:45.700 No,

01:14:45.980 absolutely.

01:14:46.560 And you know,

01:14:46.960 being quarter Scottish and three quarters English.

01:14:48.620 Yeah,

01:14:48.760 you're English,

01:14:49.340 Tom.

01:14:49.520 Just,

01:14:50.020 why would you even have that concern?

01:14:52.440 But the point is,

01:14:54.160 you can see how the NPC mask is fracturing away.

01:14:59.660 And he's just like,

01:15:00.280 no,

01:15:00.480 you know,

01:15:01.100 I need to have answers to these questions.

01:15:03.140 These are the things that are coming up.

01:15:04.640 And he finds himself essentially falling on the right hand side.

01:15:08.000 And this particular caller was really interesting.

01:15:11.640 It's a Portuguese lady who's literally lecturing him about,

01:15:15.200 you are losing your identity for the sake of political correctness.

01:15:18.460 And he's just like,

01:15:19.100 yeah,

01:15:19.240 no,

01:15:19.480 I think you're right.

01:15:20.860 And it's just like,

01:15:22.480 come on.

01:15:22.820 Political correctness.

01:15:24.160 It has gone absolutely bonkers.

01:15:28.220 You guys are losing your identity for the sake of political correctness.

01:15:35.100 I don't disagree with you.

01:15:37.040 And you are putting your people on levels of mental health crisis to levels that are just abysmal,

01:15:45.200 because people feel they cannot openly speak up because they're going to be censored.

01:15:50.720 They're going to be canceled.

01:15:51.840 Or worse,

01:15:52.580 if you make a tweet,

01:15:54.200 you can be put into jail.

01:15:55.540 You can see his defenses against every right wing argument are incredibly weak.

01:16:23.980 It's like,

01:16:24.300 yep,

01:16:24.480 no,

01:16:24.620 we are losing our identity.

01:16:25.660 Well,

01:16:26.040 I mean,

01:16:27.040 I don't know.

01:16:28.740 You can see he's coming over.

01:16:31.780 He knows the truth is.

01:16:33.720 He knows the reality of all of this.

01:16:36.120 And it's just,

01:16:37.200 it's written on his face.

01:16:38.680 I don't know who he looks a little bit like,

01:16:39.640 and I don't want to diss him because I do like him.

01:16:41.040 He looks a little bit like Matt Walsh.

01:16:42.640 You know,

01:16:42.860 in Matt Walsh,

01:16:43.280 all those memes are like Matt Walsh,

01:16:44.440 not looking like him.

01:16:45.220 I mean,

01:16:45.520 stuck.

01:16:46.320 Oh,

01:16:46.560 yeah,

01:16:46.760 yeah,

01:16:46.920 yeah.

01:16:47.040 Stuck in the position at Daily Wire.

01:16:48.780 I'm thinking,

01:16:49.060 Matt,

01:16:49.240 you've got a massive following.

01:16:50.080 Why'd you have to just go out on your own?

01:16:51.880 There's all those memes of him.

01:16:52.800 He wants to say something and he can't.

01:16:54.440 That's kind of Swarbrick at LBC.

01:16:56.400 He's like,

01:16:56.840 oh,

01:16:57.680 I'm far too right wing for this channel.

01:16:59.620 Exactly.

01:16:59.860 But he wants the job,

01:17:00.640 which is the ticking clock though.

01:17:02.900 It's only a matter of time until you get it.

01:17:04.100 We used to have Farage on,

01:17:04.980 didn't they,

01:17:05.160 in a more normal time.

01:17:06.320 They did.

01:17:06.960 It just feels like someone who's,

01:17:09.540 as I say,

01:17:10.140 beginning to be honest with himself,

01:17:11.560 accept realities.

01:17:13.480 Yeah.

01:17:15.140 I mean,

01:17:15.440 I think,

01:17:16.340 I think both you guys do this.

01:17:18.060 I definitely do this.

01:17:18.880 It's whenever I feel kind of any real cognitive dissonance,

01:17:21.680 or something,

01:17:22.860 I'll just sort of stop and take a step back and be like,

01:17:25.020 wait,

01:17:25.940 wait,

01:17:26.240 what now?

01:17:26.860 What's going on?

01:17:27.360 What do I actually think about these things?

01:17:29.020 Am I,

01:17:29.380 why is that?

01:17:30.480 How does this not make sense in my worldview?

01:17:33.020 And the only way you could still be a sort of wokest leftist is to just

01:17:37.300 ignore that,

01:17:38.120 like on a large scale all the time.

01:17:40.460 Yeah.

01:17:40.880 And it seems like this chap is not,

01:17:43.880 not doing that.

01:17:44.800 He's being forced to engage.

01:17:46.020 So again,

01:17:46.440 it's a matter of time probably.

01:17:48.080 Exactly.

01:17:48.520 It's quite painful as,

01:17:49.520 as Peter Hitchens has described,

01:17:51.120 when he changed all his views,

01:17:52.820 you lose all your friends.

01:17:54.060 Like,

01:17:54.300 you don't really want to change your mind.

01:17:56.120 Like,

01:17:56.260 none of,

01:17:56.480 I didn't want to do,

01:17:56.960 I was doing comedy.

01:17:57.720 I don't want to do any of this.

01:17:58.620 Like,

01:17:58.780 you don't actually want to notice when you notice.

01:18:01.140 You're like,

01:18:01.300 Oh,

01:18:01.460 I've noticed.

01:18:02.120 Like,

01:18:02.640 it's like,

01:18:03.460 it's quite annoying.

01:18:04.160 Cause like,

01:18:04.540 I have to like lose all my friends now and not tell people my job at the

01:18:08.040 pub.

01:18:08.480 Tom Swarbrick wandering around Birmingham being like,

01:18:10.760 how am I going to keep my job?

01:18:12.260 Yeah.

01:18:12.600 Even me on GB news.

01:18:13.540 I didn't tell my football team for two years.

01:18:15.500 And one of them found out it's not particularly pleasant to be like,

01:18:18.200 have to like tell the truth all the time.

01:18:20.000 You know,

01:18:20.160 ultimately someone like Fuentes on the no fly list bank account frozen.

01:18:23.760 I'm relatively minor.

01:18:24.640 And you've been through a lot of things as well.

01:18:25.920 It's like,

01:18:26.420 it's not that much fun.

01:18:27.480 And you with the reform thing,

01:18:28.620 it's not that much fun to notice the truth.

01:18:31.000 And there's a lot of penalties to it.

01:18:32.160 And changing your mind in general,

01:18:33.300 you're going to have to move from one milieu to another.

01:18:35.480 So you can see why he'd resist it and be like,

01:18:37.360 Oh yeah.

01:18:37.840 Oh,

01:18:37.940 it's a classic thing going back to ancient times,

01:18:39.740 going back to like the pre-Socratics,

01:18:42.060 going back to like he picked it to some of the early Stoics and stuff.

01:18:45.020 Would you rather be deliberately keep yourself in ignorance,

01:18:47.600 but be happy or face the truth and potentially be very,

01:18:51.980 very unhappy.

01:18:53.260 It's an important philosophical question,

01:18:55.200 choice.

01:18:56.000 I always go with the truth with reality.

01:18:59.580 I'm not interested in being falsely happy.

01:19:04.200 What is that anyway?

01:19:05.180 You're not really,

01:19:06.460 if you,

01:19:06.840 if you,

01:19:07.120 but not just that,

01:19:07.760 Tom's got a wife and kids,

01:19:09.340 right?

01:19:09.560 So he's got a responsibility to other people.

01:19:12.420 So he finds himself in the dad position of,

01:19:15.700 well,

01:19:15.940 I've got to be well informed about what's really happening.

01:19:19.640 And I can't really afford to have the sort of liberal mysticism blur my vision

01:19:23.780 because otherwise my children will get hurt.

01:19:25.800 But also you have to support your children financially.

01:19:27.900 And so,

01:19:28.220 but then you've also got to not lose your whole culture.

01:19:32.320 And we've seen a lot of these boomers.

01:19:33.700 I don't know if I tell boomers again,

01:19:34.620 but they didn't care about one of those.

01:19:35.960 They cared about short termism.

01:19:38.180 And now it's like,

01:19:38.980 you've destroyed our country.

01:19:41.080 Yeah.

01:19:41.200 It's that thing.

01:19:41.780 If you take it seriously,

01:19:43.240 what the world will be like after you personally are dead.

01:19:46.560 Do you care about what you leave to your children or grandchildren,

01:19:50.580 progeny in general?

01:19:51.440 Do you care about that or not?

01:19:52.900 Yeah.

01:19:52.960 Like Richard Tyson apparently doesn't particularly.

01:19:56.460 I'll be long gone.

01:19:57.180 I mean,

01:19:58.280 I don't even have kids and I feel this intense responsibility about it.

01:20:01.400 And this pain of like,

01:20:02.720 what if my,

01:20:03.100 if my people were wiped out,

01:20:04.480 there were no English people in England.

01:20:05.600 Even if I was dead,

01:20:06.280 I'd be like,

01:20:06.760 that's horrific.

01:20:07.560 That's horrific.

01:20:08.280 That's like showing the Frodo,

01:20:10.480 seeing the Shire take over.

01:20:11.920 It's like,

01:20:12.320 no way.

01:20:13.480 Never.

01:20:13.720 A few things are more important to me.

01:20:16.000 Yeah.

01:20:16.200 I literally can't think of anything more important than that.

01:20:19.180 Anyway,

01:20:19.660 we'll,

01:20:19.900 we'll leave that there.

01:20:21.560 Have we got any video comments today,

01:20:23.100 Samson?

01:20:26.020 That's a random name says,

01:20:27.660 it boils down to this.

01:20:28.520 England should never be minority English.

01:20:30.080 Scotland should never be minority Scottish.

01:20:32.100 If you disagree,

01:20:32.880 you're a traitor.

01:20:33.660 So what's the argument for making us minorities in our own country?

01:20:37.200 That is pretty much just a perfect statement,

01:20:40.040 right?

01:20:40.800 I can't argue with any of that.

01:20:43.280 Logan's got a good,

01:20:44.100 good one here.

01:20:44.740 I watched the rest of his politics to see what the enemy is thinking.

01:20:47.240 Honestly,

01:20:47.480 I'm starting to think they have a bunker mentality.

01:20:49.680 Yeah.

01:20:49.780 I've been watching the rest of politics and the new Statesman podcast for

01:20:53.280 exactly that reason,

01:20:54.000 just to see where they are,

01:20:55.000 you know,

01:20:55.320 and they are,

01:20:56.380 they feel like they're on the defensive when I'm watching it.

01:20:58.740 Like with ours,

01:21:00.460 at least we feel kind of confident,

01:21:02.360 you know,

01:21:03.300 we're,

01:21:03.540 we're kind of,

01:21:04.120 even if things are going really badly,

01:21:05.580 we assume that this won't be like this forever,

01:21:09.120 right?

01:21:09.420 There'll be some radical right-wing backlash.

01:21:11.100 We'll eventually win.

01:21:12.240 You know,

01:21:12.680 our time is inevitable,

01:21:13.800 basically.

01:21:14.180 That's kind of the,

01:21:14.920 the feel that I get from our podcast,

01:21:16.940 but these ones look at like,

01:21:18.600 they look like they're looking ahead and going,

01:21:19.980 Oh my God.

01:21:20.840 Oh my God.

01:21:21.320 Let's just try and cling on to whatever we have left,

01:21:23.600 you know?

01:21:24.260 So good news.

01:21:25.940 I enjoy watching them.

01:21:27.380 Yeah.

01:21:27.760 They're definitely running scared,

01:21:28.860 especially there,

01:21:29.340 the matelesses and all those types.

01:21:30.680 Yeah.

01:21:31.040 Yeah.

01:21:31.120 Any regime types or any,

01:21:33.780 some of them may be the far leftist ones are,

01:21:35.580 a bit different.

01:21:37.320 Cause it's weird.

01:21:38.000 I feel like we're kind of like Mao in the civil war where the nationalists like hold up in the cities,

01:21:43.060 but they're afraid to come into the hinterland because we're the hinterland.

01:21:46.500 And we're,

01:21:46.820 you know,

01:21:46.980 the group is going to be in their comment section.

01:21:48.700 And they're like,

01:21:49.300 Oh God,

01:21:50.060 you know?

01:21:50.820 So I feel like our victory is just inevitable at this point.

01:21:55.720 I've,

01:21:56.100 I've argued that it's been inevitable for a long time.

01:21:59.500 It's a great tactic.

01:22:00.300 Yeah.

01:22:00.640 Yeah.

01:22:00.780 It is.

01:22:01.240 It is a great tactic.

01:22:02.080 Just to say,

01:22:02.640 well,

01:22:02.960 it's inevitable.

01:22:03.440 I've got Elon Musk posting about white genocide.

01:22:06.620 No white guilt.

01:22:07.420 On main.

01:22:07.860 Yeah.

01:22:08.140 I mean,

01:22:08.600 on main.

01:22:09.140 And you can say,

01:22:09.920 well,

01:22:10.440 do something on Elon,

01:22:11.400 which is a criticism,

01:22:12.400 but it's certainly a different time.

01:22:14.640 I know a plucky podcast you could fund if you really wanted.

01:22:17.100 Or just appear on.

01:22:18.200 Yeah.

01:22:18.500 Or just appear on.

01:22:19.380 Instead of messaging girls.

01:22:22.240 One message.

01:22:23.600 I need to personally repopulate the earth.

01:22:26.420 Slip into Carl's DMs with a check.

01:22:28.320 Every right wing ego.

01:22:30.280 Do you think if I change my profile picture to something more busty?

01:22:33.700 Anyway,

01:22:34.260 let's,

01:22:34.540 let's go to the video comments.

01:22:38.320 Oh,

01:22:38.760 there aren't they?

01:22:39.060 Okay,

01:22:39.280 great.

01:22:40.180 Russian says,

01:22:41.180 Bonnie Blue delivers coal for Christmas to prudish,

01:22:43.660 frigid women.

01:22:44.700 That is funny,

01:22:45.540 to be honest.

01:22:46.580 I didn't,

01:22:47.000 I wasn't aware that Bonnie Blue is basically threatening the women of England.

01:22:51.100 Shag your husbands or I'm going to shag them.

01:22:52.800 One of her main talking points.

01:22:54.020 I don't want to give up.

01:22:56.420 They were doing their job.

01:22:57.180 I wouldn't be,

01:22:57.540 I'd be out of work,

01:22:58.160 wouldn't I?

01:22:58.460 This is one of her main things.

01:23:01.560 That is funny.

01:23:02.840 I don't like it,

01:23:03.580 but that is funny.

01:23:04.960 Omar says,

01:23:05.860 considering the demographics of typical Bonnie Blue enjoyers,

01:23:09.100 it would be a hilarious twist of fate if some of the imported voters switched to reform.

01:23:12.760 Well,

01:23:12.920 did you see that they'd literally hired some guy on indefinite leave to remain to be their candidate for wherever?

01:23:18.020 Some Bangladesh team.

01:23:18.960 Yeah.

01:23:19.600 It's like,

01:23:20.160 what are you doing,

01:23:21.160 Nigel?

01:23:21.440 You're literally threatening to deport that guy.

01:23:24.020 That's literally your public policy.

01:23:25.760 Actually,

01:23:26.140 Sonny's job.

01:23:26.820 Win this,

01:23:27.500 then you're out.

01:23:28.120 Make your mind up.

01:23:29.160 Elect Bangladeshi illegal and then deport.

01:23:32.580 They're going to become more Christians.

01:23:33.820 Zia Yusuf is going to convert.

01:23:34.920 I'm not sure about Leila.

01:23:35.820 I think so.

01:23:36.320 They might need her from,

01:23:37.420 yeah,

01:23:37.940 I think I just,

01:23:38.460 it came to me yesterday and I just trust my intuitions.

01:23:41.500 And I was thinking,

01:23:42.160 I bet he'll convert.

01:23:43.240 Even if it's cynical,

01:23:44.460 he'll convert.

01:23:45.080 You know,

01:23:45.360 Aya and Hershey Ali convert,

01:23:46.580 sincerely.

01:23:47.120 I don't think she's cynical.

01:23:48.360 No,

01:23:48.680 she's not.

01:23:49.240 And he might not be.

01:23:49.920 But then,

01:23:50.400 and I went onto YouTube and they just said,

01:23:52.160 the Christian fellowship reforming,

01:23:53.760 they were doing a church service.

01:23:55.360 I'm like,

01:23:55.940 reform are going to have to go so Christian,

01:23:57.360 because it's going to be in Congress that they've got a Muslim.

01:23:59.400 Now,

01:23:59.740 the other argument is they need him and it's useful.

01:24:01.620 So I could be completely wrong.

01:24:02.820 I just suddenly hit,

01:24:03.620 I thought I bet I'll convert.

01:24:06.600 Let's see.

01:24:07.140 I just posted it in case I'm right.

01:24:08.440 Cause then it'll look so.

01:24:09.500 Yeah,

01:24:09.540 yeah,

01:24:09.560 yeah.

01:24:09.900 Bring that back,

01:24:10.800 you know,

01:24:11.100 yeah.

01:24:11.300 Six months time or something.

01:24:13.640 Justin says,

01:24:14.300 Bonnie Blue is the Krampus of feminism.

01:24:15.860 That is funny.

01:24:17.020 Actually,

01:24:17.360 I've got to say.

01:24:17.920 Like I said,

01:24:23.780 I don't approve of Bonnie Blue at all,

01:24:25.600 but this is amusing.

01:24:27.900 And Sneed as Chuck says,

01:24:29.380 time to invite her on the Loatuses podcast.

01:24:30.840 I was like,

01:24:31.040 no,

01:24:31.920 thank you.

01:24:33.880 Well,

01:24:34.160 he's taking an omeness,

01:24:34.840 you had it.

01:24:35.480 Yeah,

01:24:35.680 I know.

01:24:35.980 He's saying that's slot.

01:24:38.300 Do you remember,

01:24:39.020 do you remember back in like the nineties or even earlier that like someone like,

01:24:42.900 who's the classic shock job,

01:24:44.360 Howard Stern.

01:24:45.200 Oh yeah.

01:24:45.500 Or Anthony and OP.

01:24:46.980 They would have porn stars on all the time.

01:24:49.160 Yeah.

01:24:49.700 It's like,

01:24:50.380 why,

01:24:50.640 why?

01:24:50.820 That was how it turned the entire show.

01:24:52.120 Look at her.

01:24:52.620 She's beautiful.

01:24:53.400 Take that out.

01:24:53.880 It's like,

01:24:54.200 she was fine.

01:24:54.780 Nine pounds.

01:24:57.320 Nine pounds.

01:24:58.740 That's a lot in Bali.

01:25:00.060 Well,

01:25:00.220 yeah,

01:25:00.340 I'm sure they're like,

01:25:01.020 we're going to get her now,

01:25:02.260 you know,

01:25:02.820 500 billion rubles or whatever they use in Bali.

01:25:05.500 And it's like,

01:25:05.980 what's that?

01:25:06.660 Oh,

01:25:06.880 nine quid.

01:25:07.700 Why did she think she could go and do a bang bus in Bali?

01:25:10.660 It's like,

01:25:11.000 not all the world's completely like this,

01:25:13.840 Bonnie.

01:25:14.320 I was honestly just like,

01:25:15.560 come on,

01:25:15.800 30 years in jail,

01:25:16.660 30 years in jail,

01:25:17.500 30 years in jail.

01:25:18.760 We should do that.

01:25:19.820 We should put her in jail.

01:25:20.540 Arrest her,

01:25:20.900 yeah.

01:25:21.180 Yeah.

01:25:21.680 In one of those,

01:25:22.360 is it not in Indonesia in some places?

01:25:24.740 Just think,

01:25:25.800 corrupting the public morals is still illegal in Britain.

01:25:29.560 Right.

01:25:29.900 There are laws that she could be charged in this country.

01:25:32.800 We just need the right man to enact them,

01:25:34.300 Rupert Lowe.

01:25:35.660 Or someone.

01:25:36.740 Isn't Indonesia one of those countries where,

01:25:38.900 for,

01:25:39.460 yeah,

01:25:40.200 for infidelity and things.

01:25:41.640 Sometimes they do actually publicly whip women.

01:25:45.180 I think,

01:25:45.780 I think they do.

01:25:47.320 There's some Southeast Asian Muslim countries that do do that.

01:25:51.060 Normally it's like Dubai,

01:25:52.140 isn't it?

01:25:52.460 Girl had drink in public in Dubai,

01:25:54.740 eight years in jail.

01:25:56.080 I hadn't,

01:25:56.380 like Bali,

01:25:56.880 I hadn't heard of as much.

01:25:57.700 Cause a lot of sort of Instagram girls got Bali.

01:25:59.500 I'd never heard like,

01:26:00.660 it's only like Dubai,

01:26:01.980 but yeah,

01:26:02.280 I hadn't heard that.

01:26:02.980 We should bring back flogging here.

01:26:04.320 we've said this.

01:26:05.140 I'm pro flogging.

01:26:06.400 Pro flogging.

01:26:06.940 Yeah.

01:26:07.160 Pro stock,

01:26:07.640 pro flogging.

01:26:08.720 Pro death night.

01:26:09.320 Pro gibbet.

01:26:09.860 Yeah.

01:26:10.540 The gibbet.

01:26:11.100 It's a scale.

01:26:11.980 Sorry.

01:26:12.560 Oh,

01:26:12.720 I'm totally pro flogging.

01:26:14.800 Criminals need to feel pain.

01:26:16.700 Sophie says,

01:26:17.280 Morgan,

01:26:17.600 are you a racist?

01:26:18.400 Fuentes,

01:26:18.760 yes.

01:26:19.340 Morgan,

01:26:19.720 but are you a racist though?

01:26:21.500 Fuentes,

01:26:21.880 yes,

01:26:22.220 I am.

01:26:23.200 Morgan,

01:26:23.520 let me speak clearly.

01:26:24.180 Are you in fact racist?

01:26:25.480 Fuentes,

01:26:25.780 yes.

01:26:26.520 Morgan,

01:26:27.120 but you've never slept with a woman?

01:26:28.720 Fuentes,

01:26:29.160 I've never been cucked,

01:26:30.060 no.

01:26:31.420 It's true.

01:26:32.160 That's exactly how it went down.

01:26:33.080 That's a transcript.

01:26:34.120 Why are you offering transcripts of the whole interview?

01:26:35.660 I tell you what,

01:26:36.400 the Groyper curse is genuinely funny though.

01:26:39.140 Because everyone was like,

01:26:39.860 oh,

01:26:40.060 right.

01:26:40.400 What's the Groyper curse?

01:26:41.320 The Groyper victory.

01:26:42.880 The Groyper curse is basically Fuentes' fans

01:26:45.400 always make your life a misery.

01:26:46.820 Right.

01:26:47.120 Well,

01:26:47.540 and okay,

01:26:48.520 yeah,

01:26:48.760 they will.

01:26:50.440 But Piers was so set up for it

01:26:52.280 because his wife literally cucks him on Instagram.

01:26:54.760 Right.

01:26:55.520 Literally is a member of Ashley Madison,

01:26:57.800 literally humiliates him every day on Instagram.

01:26:59.880 You need a six week break,

01:27:01.020 something about the pool boy.

01:27:02.720 It's constant.

01:27:03.820 It's constant cuckering.

01:27:04.920 Mr. Suds and all this is.

01:27:05.580 Piers Morgan's wife.

01:27:06.340 Oh yeah,

01:27:06.740 I've not seen this.

01:27:07.860 Now I knew Harry did a bit,

01:27:08.880 but I didn't watch it.

01:27:09.620 It's endless cuck posts.

01:27:11.220 It is wild how bad it is as well.

01:27:13.880 And there's so many.

01:27:14.640 Mate,

01:27:14.860 if my wife had posted one of those things,

01:27:17.460 there'd be a blazing row.

01:27:19.080 It would be a divorce.

01:27:20.120 And I would be demanding she deactivate

01:27:22.080 her entire Instagram account.

01:27:23.480 But Piers Morgan is just like all day,

01:27:25.540 every day,

01:27:26.000 getting humiliated by his own wife.

01:27:27.480 And she's just like,

01:27:28.040 yeah,

01:27:28.160 I can't stand to be around him.

01:27:29.580 Being married to Piers is one constant eye roll.

01:27:33.220 She's just taunting him about cheating

01:27:34.720 every day on Instagram.

01:27:35.800 She's like,

01:27:36.180 don't come home too soon,

01:27:37.420 blah, blah, blah.

01:27:37.800 And it's not like one joke.

01:27:38.820 As Carl said,

01:27:39.240 it's loads of it.

01:27:40.340 And the thing is,

01:27:40.940 once you went after Frentice's dad,

01:27:42.880 Frentice had someone come to his house

01:27:44.040 to try and kill him

01:27:44.740 who killed other people that night.

01:27:45.900 And his dad could lose a job.

01:27:48.880 He named his dad's first name.

01:27:50.980 It's like,

01:27:51.200 what are you doing?

01:27:52.080 So to me,

01:27:52.660 that does make the wife fair game.

01:27:54.440 Not children,

01:27:55.860 because people have started going after,

01:27:56.900 groups have started going for...

01:27:57.740 Yeah,

01:27:57.960 that was awful.

01:27:58.960 That's disgusting.

01:27:59.940 But your wife,

01:28:00.740 when you've gone after someone's dad,

01:28:01.700 I think you have made that fair game.

01:28:02.800 Her wife is a correspondent

01:28:04.100 in the Telegraph anyway.

01:28:05.060 She's a public figure.

01:28:05.900 Yeah.

01:28:06.460 So she's got 50,000 followers on Instagram.

01:28:08.140 She's not a random housewife either.

01:28:10.160 So she is a public figure

01:28:11.220 and she just uses her public presence

01:28:12.600 to humiliate Piers Morgan every day.

01:28:14.740 Doesn't sound happy.

01:28:16.120 No,

01:28:16.300 she's not.

01:28:16.760 She didn't want to marry him.

01:28:18.060 Right?

01:28:18.320 There's this great line in one...

01:28:19.200 He's happier in the pool,

01:28:20.000 boys,

01:28:20.200 sorry.

01:28:20.640 Go on.

01:28:21.200 There's this great line

01:28:22.180 in one of the articles

01:28:22.880 where she was like,

01:28:25.900 oh,

01:28:26.100 I was,

01:28:26.500 you know,

01:28:26.920 going to meet him with a friend

01:28:28.080 and my friend wanted to meet him

01:28:29.060 because she had a crush on him.

01:28:30.100 I looked at my friend and said,

01:28:31.020 are you mad

01:28:31.780 for having a crush on Piers Morgan?

01:28:33.900 And then she ends up marrying him.

01:28:34.920 It's like,

01:28:36.120 okay.

01:28:36.900 If you're ever in a relationship

01:28:37.980 and you even get the inkling

01:28:39.180 that the other person's

01:28:40.180 properly unhappy,

01:28:42.200 you've got to have a conversation about it.

01:28:43.800 Not just that,

01:28:44.300 it just doesn't respect you.

01:28:45.900 If you get an inkling of that,

01:28:47.280 you've got to talk about it

01:28:48.100 and probably need to break up.

01:28:49.440 Yeah.

01:28:49.660 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:28:50.160 Absolutely.

01:28:50.880 She's not happy.

01:28:51.580 She doesn't respect you.

01:28:52.340 You shouldn't be together.

01:28:53.420 It's that simple.

01:28:54.240 She's clearly just with him for the money.

01:28:57.160 Hector says,

01:28:58.060 modern society,

01:28:58.880 white men are evil

01:28:59.440 and deserve nothing

01:29:00.160 and have never accomplished anything

01:29:01.500 besides oppressing others.

01:29:02.740 Hitler,

01:29:03.160 you're great

01:29:03.660 and you can do anything.

01:29:05.440 Well,

01:29:05.560 he's not quite Jordan Peterson,

01:29:07.120 right?

01:29:07.400 I think there's a bit more

01:29:08.560 to Hitler than that.

01:29:10.040 Yeah.

01:29:10.620 Clean your room

01:29:11.260 and some other stuff.

01:29:13.940 Clean your Reich.

01:29:14.800 I think there's a bit more to Hitler

01:29:17.240 than just you're great.

01:29:19.620 But that is in the essence of it

01:29:21.960 why they like him.

01:29:25.120 Michael says,

01:29:25.880 for being horribly fascist

01:29:26.940 and racist

01:29:27.300 and misogynistic,

01:29:28.200 et cetera,

01:29:28.860 seems a lot of non-white people

01:29:30.020 want to come to the West.

01:29:30.920 It's like,

01:29:31.100 yes,

01:29:31.440 it does

01:29:32.200 because

01:29:33.180 I guess you get

01:29:35.220 what you deserve,

01:29:36.320 the fruits of what you've got.

01:29:38.180 Arizona Desert Rat,

01:29:39.040 well done,

01:29:39.400 caller,

01:29:39.600 you're victim blaming.

01:29:40.180 Yep,

01:29:40.460 exactly.

01:29:41.500 And again,

01:29:42.440 I was enjoying

01:29:43.100 how much Tom was just like,

01:29:44.320 hang on a second,

01:29:45.280 why are we having

01:29:46.000 these conversations?

01:29:49.100 Wow,

01:29:49.560 that woman on LBC

01:29:50.360 threw away the science

01:29:51.280 and validity of psychology

01:29:52.380 and psychotherapy completely.

01:29:54.260 I know,

01:29:54.600 it's kind of base,

01:29:55.180 to be honest.

01:29:56.240 Derek says,

01:29:56.740 something to consider.

01:29:57.860 I'm very sure Europe

01:29:58.700 talks about Napoleon

01:29:59.700 non-stop through

01:30:00.320 most of the 19th century.

01:30:01.880 Well,

01:30:02.180 yeah,

01:30:02.420 absolutely.

01:30:04.260 Killeen says,

01:30:05.440 in regards to the price of things,

01:30:07.000 Germany is in a similar boat to England

01:30:08.280 for exactly the same reasons.

01:30:09.900 The Germans are starting,

01:30:10.700 really starting to feel the pinch.

01:30:12.040 Yeah,

01:30:12.260 again,

01:30:12.500 when I went to Italy,

01:30:13.260 I was genuinely surprised

01:30:14.120 how little we were spending

01:30:15.240 on meals out.

01:30:17.260 I was in Florence,

01:30:18.560 me and Moir have had,

01:30:19.200 you know,

01:30:19.320 a big fancy dinner,

01:30:20.420 and it's only like 40 euros.

01:30:21.560 I'm like,

01:30:22.760 Jesus,

01:30:23.380 you know,

01:30:23.700 like,

01:30:23.920 because we'd have three courses,

01:30:25.020 you know,

01:30:25.200 and we're on holiday,

01:30:25.820 you know,

01:30:25.980 for Christ's sake.

01:30:26.480 A lot of millionaires

01:30:27.100 are flocking to Italy as well.

01:30:28.420 Yeah.

01:30:29.220 I mean,

01:30:29.440 London is really the worst.

01:30:31.220 Like,

01:30:31.360 you go and have,

01:30:31.860 like,

01:30:31.940 some sort of craft lager,

01:30:33.140 and it's a tenner,

01:30:33.840 or 12 quid.

01:30:34.660 Oh,

01:30:34.880 yeah.

01:30:34.980 For one beer,

01:30:35.660 for one beer.

01:30:36.140 It's unbrewed.

01:30:36.740 So,

01:30:37.220 even coming to Swindon,

01:30:38.460 I was like,

01:30:39.200 wow,

01:30:39.460 things are way cheaper in Swindon,

01:30:41.060 and it's still way more expensive in Swindon

01:30:43.300 than it is in Europe or wherever.

01:30:45.440 Yeah.

01:30:45.960 So,

01:30:46.380 London is particularly insane,

01:30:49.360 just off the charts insane.

01:30:50.640 We are,

01:30:51.160 of course,

01:30:51.440 out of time,

01:30:52.060 but you can join us

01:30:52.860 in half an hour for lads hour

01:30:53.960 where we're going to be doing an IQ test.

01:30:56.460 Are we?

01:30:57.040 Oh,

01:30:57.180 yeah.

01:30:57.540 No one told me about this.

01:30:59.620 It's not a true IQ test,

01:31:01.580 but it'll be what I could do this thing.

01:31:03.200 But basically,

01:31:04.080 we're going to find out

01:31:04.620 if we're midwits or 130 IQ Anglos.

01:31:07.340 So,

01:31:07.780 we have to become,

01:31:08.860 we've got to win this.

01:31:10.380 I got a 137 once,

01:31:11.480 and I never wanted to take another one again.

01:31:12.900 Yeah.

01:31:13.020 I'm sticking.

01:31:13.500 Because you're happy with that.

01:31:14.220 Yeah,

01:31:14.400 I'm sticking.

01:31:15.400 I've done loads of IQ tests over the years.

01:31:17.140 I got 142 on one,

01:31:18.300 and I was like,

01:31:18.620 yeah,

01:31:18.800 that'll do.

01:31:19.480 That'll be the one I take.

01:31:20.700 Sounds about right.

01:31:21.660 Yeah,

01:31:21.920 exactly.

01:31:22.460 That sounds about right.

01:31:23.440 But also,

01:31:24.360 there are lots of radicalized Zoomers

01:31:26.360 in the chat

01:31:27.240 being like,

01:31:27.760 oh,

01:31:27.880 yeah,

01:31:28.140 well,

01:31:28.280 I'm looking forward to the Bo Show.

01:31:29.980 So,

01:31:30.340 5th of January,

01:31:31.680 8 o'clock in the morning,

01:31:32.540 British time.

01:31:33.760 We'll see you there.

01:31:34.560 We'll see you there.

The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - December 12, 2025

The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1316

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