The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1319

00:00:00.000 good afternoon ladies and gentlemen welcome to the podcast the lotus eaters for wednesday the

00:00:03.620 17th of december 2025 so what's that 13 days till christmas not even where does that math

00:00:10.920 come oh wait yeah eight days see what that is is wild amounts of optimism yeah

00:00:17.140 that's me looking at the things i haven't done yet

00:00:20.800 eight days till christmas which even even more terrifying than before i'm joined by

00:00:27.900 lewis and charlie from reform britain and we are going to form britain uh restore britain sorry

00:00:32.580 we were just talking about reform because uh everyone was in favor of the bonnie blue endorsement

00:00:38.720 indefinitely to remain candidates uh anyway we're going to be talking about how uh straight white

00:00:43.880 men are actually systematically oppressed and the the numbers are in and so it's true uh looking

00:00:49.160 forward to james lindsey's commentary on this segment um how the government controls us

00:00:53.620 because they actually have an institutionalized apparatus of keeping everything on side and what

00:00:59.340 the real route of mass immigration is so that should all be very exciting so let's begin this

00:01:06.100 i think is probably one of my favorite tweets of all time there have been some real banger tweets

00:01:11.460 over the years but this one i i really like the size of the rake that's being stepped on in this tweet

00:01:17.980 it's just like the day after trump's de-platform it's like wow it's kind of weird that de-platforming

00:01:21.980 trump like completely worked with no visible downside whatsoever it's like yeah

00:01:26.500 exactly right it's it's one of those tweets where it's like yeah it only someone who has no concept

00:01:37.220 of linear time can think of that i i live entirely in the moment and i'm looking around and it's all

00:01:43.040 peace and quiet therefore there was no problem no visible downside and i don't need to think about

00:01:48.400 that any further uh and so anyway this attitude was applied to frankly all of the institutions of

00:01:56.040 the west for the last 10 years and everyone's like well look what the visible downsides well i mean you

00:02:01.600 could argue that i don't know hollywood's terrible the media is terrible the political environment's

00:02:05.400 terrible everything's awful but also the um young men are basically just a bunch of nazis now they've

00:02:11.440 come to the conclusion uh 50 of gen z guys are sympathetic to hitler when and and don't really

00:02:18.520 like democracy when polled it's like okay i think that might be a visible downside if you're living in

00:02:25.520 a liberal democracy well i wrote an article for the mail earlier this year on this very subject about

00:02:29.980 how gen z is moot gen z sorry not an american it's moving away from you know faith in democracy uh and

00:02:36.380 towards a desire for something like a dictator and i didn't necessarily say whether that was a good or

00:02:41.260 bad thing i just expressed why that is the case because if you look at you know we're told that

00:02:45.280 democracy is the greatest conceivable system of government um you know that's ever existed and yet

00:02:51.080 the bill of goods that we receive you know what it delivers to us is unaffordable housing demographic

00:02:56.820 decline and replacement uh you know just a general economic sort of collapse uh and a feeling of no

00:03:03.240 identity or belonging in one's own country the country of one's ancestors and so when we look

00:03:06.880 at the system that gave us that we think why should we have any faith in this at all when

00:03:10.820 visible downside though no visible down obviously yeah what's the visible downside of half of young

00:03:17.920 men being basically nazis i mean i'm not seeing a visible downside i look outside in the street

00:03:22.420 there's loads of foreigners but like i don't see any nazi battalions yet so what's the visible

00:03:28.140 downside and this has been the attitude of the institutions the culture and the the general

00:03:34.260 feeling that has pervaded everything is well we can just replace the straight white men with all

00:03:39.900 of the diversity hires and everything will go great and actually i think the chickens are coming

00:03:44.800 home to roost here uh this is um this was brought into major salience by nick fuentes recently and

00:03:51.500 coincidentally uh this article on compact magazine was published by jacob savage just the other day and

00:03:57.140 this has gone very viral um and i think it's because of the kind of marriage of nick fuentes

00:04:02.040 uh owning piers morgan uh not not caring about lord finkelstein's uh parent uh grandparents or

00:04:09.660 whatever it was uh all that sort of thing and pointing out actually young men have not been

00:04:14.560 incorporated into the system they have not been given a reason to buy into democracy uh or the

00:04:19.820 institutions of society and so we'll go through just some of the stuff in here because it's just

00:04:24.560 remarkable it's a really long article so i'm not going to scroll through i'm just going to pull a

00:04:28.260 few parts out uh but he points out that back in sort of 2014 2015 when dei hiring was all the rage

00:04:37.480 uh it was viewed quote as a relatively benign practice meant to increase diversity while also

00:04:42.960 sending the message that workplaces should be fair and open to everyone and this may have been how

00:04:47.180 boomer and gen x white men experienced dei but for white male millennials dei wasn't a genital

00:04:52.000 rebalancing it was a profound shift in how power and prestige were distributed as in it was the

00:04:56.980 beginning of an organized attempt at systematic oppression of white men because of course the

00:05:02.680 idea that okay we can just replace the white men with literally anyone else well that is naturally

00:05:09.620 taking something away from people it unless the institutions were expanding which they did not

00:05:15.600 then you are specifically for racial and sex reasons uh redistributing who gets to be in the

00:05:23.320 positions of prestige and join the hierarchy and work their way up uh and he splits this into four

00:05:29.640 segments uh the press academia tv and everywhere else uh but the everywhere i mean it's all really

00:05:35.820 important but have you got any initial thoughts on this that's just true because you're in that sort

00:05:41.760 of cohort where is it any wonder really because if you keep browbeating a particular generation

00:05:49.080 specifically white males for so long um i think you know dan uh from lotus has done that tweet

00:05:55.660 regarding uh obviously the recent uptick in we must fight russia now we must be conscripted

00:06:02.740 and it's it's a timeline of you know dump on white men dump on white men dump on white men and it's like

00:06:09.920 i'll come and fight for us and it's that it's that strange sort of if you keep doing that is it any

00:06:15.920 wonder that they're going to look for saviors elsewhere and i know we're seeing an uptick not

00:06:21.280 to make it you know religious but we're seeing an uptick in generation z of course turning to

00:06:26.640 jesus which i think is a fantastic thing but the ones that aren't are turning to other things more

00:06:33.760 political more radical more extreme and i know i sound liberal even saying that like or maybe even a

00:06:39.660 leftist but it's just the case i would i would add to that as well in you know from for my experience

00:06:44.820 i was at university in oh i joined university in 2019 and so this was right before covid and

00:06:50.220 and more importantly right before blm and i remember my own uh you know sort of uh coming to political

00:06:56.880 consciousness um was one of the sort of key events in my life that led to that was an experience i went on

00:07:03.700 a it was a zoom call uh about uh you know diversity on campus and that sort of thing

00:07:08.920 and i'd been hearing about this sort of thing for a while i thought you know what i'm just gonna see

00:07:11.940 what these people actually have to say in their own words and i joined this call and uh there was

00:07:16.500 about i think there was about 100 people on it uh and it was a presentation given by one of the

00:07:21.460 people was part of the university administration and she was this middle-class white woman very very

00:07:26.140 liberal and the other was a i think he was a phd candidate who was a mixed race uh chap and both

00:07:31.980 it was always you know height of blm and they were talking about you know systemic discrimination at

00:07:36.620 the university and all this sort of thing and i asked a what i thought was a very very reasonable

00:07:41.820 question which was is there any room in this movement for forgiveness right because we're seeing

00:07:47.480 all of this stuff like you know censorship tearing down of monuments and so on and it was the

00:07:51.340 university administrator this white woman who descended upon me in front of you know literally 100

00:07:55.540 people saying like kick this guy off the chat you know he's uh we're not gonna have any room for

00:08:00.960 racism or classes she made it classism sexism on this call um and i kind of thought i'll take that

00:08:06.820 as a no then yeah yeah and i kind of like right so that's who these people actually are uh and that

00:08:11.680 you know i think that sentiment was was felt very widely by most sort of young white men at that time

00:08:17.080 who had anything like a political sort of consciousness and uh and you know it's not a surprise

00:08:21.920 therefore that a few years later we're kind of just saying you know i don't care about any of

00:08:26.180 the taboos or the priors that led to this state of affairs right well i mean you are literally being

00:08:32.080 targeted because of your race and sex and so how could you not end up developing some kind of political

00:08:37.720 consciousness out of these and again it's the institutions themselves because i mean when i was

00:08:42.760 a young man they felt reasonably fair right it was taboo to bring up someone's race or sex or any

00:08:50.460 other arbitrary characteristic because why would you need to what does that actually tell you about

00:08:55.800 the person well um turns out that that consensus died a long time ago yes and i remember being a

00:09:02.920 youtuber at the time saying hey guys i think this might not be a good idea you know i actually what did

00:09:07.840 you think was going to happen yeah i made many videos saying look guys maybe we shouldn't be

00:09:12.860 discriminating against people based on their race or sex majority at that yeah and yeah exactly and

00:09:18.900 uh nobody listened uh well lots of people listen but nobody in the administrations listened

00:09:22.760 and now they are looking at essentially the young men revolution um but anyway so let's let's go

00:09:28.960 through some of this because it's just remarkable um it's just remarkable just how brazen that it was

00:09:33.200 because we back back when all of this started coming about it came out of the universities

00:09:37.560 and people like well it's just nonsense on university campuses it'll die off the second it hits the real

00:09:43.020 world it's like as soon as these people need to get jobs they'll drop all this stuff exactly no

00:09:47.080 they actually know into the jobs with them yeah shock and surprise and so talking about the media

00:09:52.840 there's a young man called andrew who had done a degree in journalism uh and he uh he says uh

00:09:59.200 when he was trying to get jobs in 2019 uh the editor-in-chief of new york magazine uh said that

00:10:08.060 he responded to the staff disappointment that another white man had been elevated to the role

00:10:12.040 i understand the reaction he told his staff part of me shares it the most effective way to move the

00:10:17.040 needle on diversity hiring is for a loud commitment to come from the very top of the masthead and i plan

00:10:22.180 to do exactly that so as you can see it was the older straight white boomer men and women who were

00:10:29.520 victimizing the youngest yeah like david cameron literally pulling up the ladder yeah to make sure

00:10:34.680 that you guys couldn't get ahead management was as he put it quote obsessed about recruiting people of

00:10:40.320 color and the pool but the pool was very small and anyone promising was quickly poached by new york

00:10:44.720 times or cable news blah blah and so after years of concerted effort they had whittled down the

00:10:51.120 percentage that were straight white men uh in 2021 new hires at condé nast were just 25 percent male

00:10:57.220 and 49 percent white at the california times parent company the los angeles times uh there were 39 percent

00:11:03.300 male and 31 percent white uh propublica hired 66 percent women 58 percent people of color npr 78 percent

00:11:11.120 of new hires were people of color so it's literally just right okay just get anyone then just grab anyone who

00:11:16.840 is not a straight white male again just systematic institutional discrimination against the young

00:11:22.540 men of the united states the same thing has been happening over here but we'll talk about that in a

00:11:26.060 minute in academia um david walsh a yale postdoc and left-wing twitter personality uh decided to

00:11:33.140 detonate any chance he had at a career with a single tweet he says quote i'm 35 years old i'm four years

00:11:39.020 after my phd and quite frankly i'm also a white dude combine those factors together and for all intents and

00:11:44.360 purposes i'm unemployable as a 20th century american historian i'd like me to add um it's interesting

00:11:52.420 with restore there's uh we're currently pursuing a particular investigation in regards to law firms

00:11:59.380 and diversity high within law firms and we've had a whistleblower that's that's come forward that is

00:12:06.200 giving us um a list of law firms that are utilizing dei higher and the list is so extensive it's taken

00:12:14.560 this particular whistleblower and us uh a month yeah roughly to even compile the list i mean it's

00:12:21.740 so extensive it's because they all believe in it because they all believe in it and in it and i think

00:12:25.700 we've spoken to people as well that are members uh that are part of law and they talk about how rotten

00:12:32.060 it is within the actual institution but it's interesting i don't know whether the establishment

00:12:37.120 understands that they are the creators of their own enemies it reminds me of tommy robinson personally

00:12:42.920 when he first started his activism and he was like raising the alarm about a particular issue

00:12:49.760 which he had experienced through relatives x y and z and the establishment the authorities were

00:12:57.000 ignoring him and they were ignoring ignoring ignoring to the point where they couldn't ignore him

00:13:01.640 about a particular issue and then they started censoring then they started browbeating calling

00:13:08.180 them nazis calling them whatever and it's the same playbook over and over again to demonize people who

00:13:14.360 have legitimate concerns it's very very bizarre and you can add this to not just of course tommy but

00:13:20.260 loads of other people as well and it's just the same playbook over and over again and this this i

00:13:25.320 really think is what is underpinning nick fuentes's current prominence yeah it's just the straight white

00:13:30.640 men who were not were literally gatekept out of the system like what are we supposed to do guys you

00:13:36.620 know what do you think our options are here um just on on the academia point as well um i can see you've

00:13:42.120 got a tweet up there from eric kaufman he did some great research earlier this year into ukri which is

00:13:46.940 the funding body for research in the universities and he found and they deal in the billions of pounds of

00:13:53.140 taxpayers money um and he found that um the weighting towards dei research uh and research into equality

00:14:01.820 as against excellence has exploded over the last 10 years or so i mean um the ref 2029 which is

00:14:08.660 essentially the exercise whereby funding is dealt out in 2029 to the universities um is going to carry

00:14:14.660 i'm reading it here carrying a larger weighting of 25 percent uh on dei um data so you have to you

00:14:21.940 basically have to prove your allegiance to the state ideology in order to get funding for your

00:14:25.520 research which in turn is probably going to be about you know systemic discrimination that's the

00:14:29.480 same with the green lobby as well it's exactly the same with the green lobby you have to submit to

00:14:34.680 that in order to get grants i think someone did a documentary recently about the green infrastructure

00:14:39.820 and green billionaires and grants being handed out in universities and some student can write some

00:14:45.880 bs article about i don't know cows farting or whatever and then receive a grant of hundreds of

00:14:53.040 thousands we're talking to to do these bs articles but it gets them it keeps this sort of i don't know

00:15:00.100 cycle of money going within these institutions it's it's it's good it's a good grift it's good

00:15:05.480 laundering it's like daycare to be honest it's like it's insane but anyway in in the article it points

00:15:11.180 out that white men are still 55 of harvard's arts and sciences faculty which is down from 63 10 years

00:15:17.300 ago but this is the legacy of boomer and gen x employment patterns for tenure track positions in

00:15:21.840 the pipeline for future faculty white men have gone from 49 in 2014 to 27 in 2024 uh in the humanities

00:15:29.780 they've gone down to 21 so that is quite mad in 2022 there were 728 applicants to for tenure track

00:15:37.500 jobs and humanities of brown 55 of whom were men uh after being whittled down through various processes

00:15:43.940 uh only 34 of the candidates who made it to the interview round were male only 29 of the jobs are

00:15:50.780 ultimately offered to men not just white men just men and so you can see this genuine sort of two to

00:15:56.100 one dynamic that is playing out in academia at the moment and of course with men being the minority

00:16:01.640 of people in the actual universities doing the courses now anyway uh this is just going to be

00:16:08.220 an increasingly shrinking share and done on purpose so again institutional um bias or not is it even a

00:16:17.460 bias it's institutional gatekeeping against white men from joining these things uh going to tv and

00:16:22.540 hollywood um obviously it's the same sort of pattern uh apparently about 22 percent of staff writers

00:16:30.140 on like you know tv shows and hollywood movies or whatever they do uh white men now uh so that

00:16:35.960 explains why they're all shit a whistleblower sent him a document from early 2017 with an internal

00:16:43.020 needs sheet compiled by a major talent agency uh across the grid which traffics staffing needs for tv

00:16:48.860 writers uh the shorthand appears dozens of times quote diverse female women and diverse only these

00:16:55.140 mandates came from some of the most powerful names in television noah hawley dean devlin i don't know

00:16:59.740 these people ryan murphy uh but the point is it was systemic discrimination consciously so done on

00:17:05.120 purpose and they know what they were doing and so he gets again i'm only picking out certain points

00:17:10.580 but he gets to the conclusion and he says look instead of settling down proposing because he he

00:17:14.900 went through this process himself in la uh instead of settling down proposing to my then girlfriend now

00:17:19.340 wife and earning a steady income that might support a family i spent a decade insisting the world treat

00:17:23.600 me fairly when the world was loudly telling me it had no intention of doing so i could see what was

00:17:27.740 happening i was being told point blank that it was happening and still i thought i'd be the exception

00:17:32.120 that if i wrote one more script one more book meeting took one more meeting i'd slip through

00:17:36.640 but very few people get to be the exception it's strange and more than a little poisonous to see

00:17:41.400 yourself buffeted by forces beyond your control but there's a comfort in it because it's less painful

00:17:45.600 to scroll through other people's imdb pages late at night figuring out what shortcut race gender

00:17:50.580 connections whatever they took to success than to grapple with the fact that there are white men my age who

00:17:54.940 have succeeded i'm not one of them the truth is i could have worked harder it's like okay

00:17:58.920 sure but i notice that you're kind of essentially doing the eternal thing that white men do and think

00:18:06.840 okay i'm i'm the one at fault here yeah when everything in the system is telling you no i don't

00:18:13.540 want you yeah i i'm sort of in two minds about that point because i do think that there is a problem

00:18:19.460 emerging you know as part of this trend that you're describing which is a sense of of essentially

00:18:25.160 victimhood and at one level it is the case that white men uh straight white men specifically have

00:18:30.860 been targeted in quite a in an incredibly mean-spirited and vindictive way by basically

00:18:36.320 every institution in certainly in this country um but at the same time i don't know that a victim

00:18:41.100 mentality is the right response to that because i think it's disempowering and actually i do think as

00:18:45.860 well and this is crucial you know things in society tend to happen bad things in society tend

00:18:51.660 to happen when men allow them to happen when men are asleep at the wheel when men are not interested

00:18:56.380 when men are more interested in withdrawing and and you know i i often think that the you know the

00:19:01.760 pathological masculine tendency is to withdraw and the pathological feminine tendency is to smother

00:19:07.380 and to and to expand right and what this represents in my view is a withdrawal of you know of

00:19:13.600 masculinity from the public domain and the consequent sort of smothering of femininity and so in a way

00:19:20.280 it is the case that men have allowed this to happen and i think there's a there's there's important

00:19:24.900 points to be made there and it's it's the gen x and boomer men who allow this to happen to the

00:19:28.880 younger men yes but the the problem that we have though and you are correct obviously fostering a

00:19:34.120 victim mentality helps no one uh but the problem is what he has done is he has individualized a

00:19:40.020 systemic problem sure so what what he's done is saying no it must have been me i could have done

00:19:44.460 that one thing that would have been exceptional slip through the cracks so okay maybe you could have

00:19:48.540 but what about all those other guys who couldn't have and still were denied jobs for which they

00:19:53.380 were perfectly capable perfectly qualified purely on uh the merit of the fact that they are a straight

00:19:59.220 white man and moreover he also um says that he was becoming resentful against women and minorities

00:20:04.500 but he he learned to overcome this because of course he's a good progressive it's like okay

00:20:08.980 listen they are not people without agency right they took advantage of these things

00:20:16.620 willingly knowingly and they know that they were fast-tracked up uh fast-tracked up on these

00:20:24.340 particular dei um sort of causeways they are also responsible like trying to say well they're not

00:20:32.280 responsible for anything no no yes they are the system is against you and these people took

00:20:36.940 advantage of an unfair system they are culpable for what they've done the system is culpable for

00:20:42.260 what it's done it you are right don't bother for you know there's no good fostering a victim mentality

00:20:47.420 but this is essentially you individualizing it and accepting defeat means that the system wins

00:20:53.260 to add to that as well i mean abortion is something i'm going to talk about in my segment nice cheery one

00:20:58.480 today um but it's it's i think the other the alternative perspective would be that if you give

00:21:04.280 you know as a man if you give agency and uh you know become permissive of certain behaviors

00:21:11.820 everyone else is kind of just going to do those things you know they are going to if the path of

00:21:16.020 least resistance exists it's going to be taken um and so sure you know he's saying well i became

00:21:21.760 started to become resentful of women and minorities but it is actually like you should look at the system

00:21:26.760 and he is he is right for uh he's right to correct himself in and in them not being the source of

00:21:31.720 the problem because these are just people following incentives a lot of the time and you have to look

00:21:35.280 at the system itself that has given rise to those conditions which again is something that's created

00:21:39.800 by white men ultimately well well actually the ideology wasn't created by white men yeah the ideology

00:21:45.580 was actually created by uh non-white women in large part actually i suppose i suppose it depends

00:21:52.140 how far back you want to go well the the ideology that directly influenced all of these decisions

00:21:56.560 was actually an ideology that came from non-white women uh so uh and and a lot of people say well

00:22:03.140 jewish no no not jewish women actually like literally black women um actually mostly responsible

00:22:08.400 for the ideology of intersectionality yeah but the the the point is once again you're kind of

00:22:14.300 individualizing it right and it's like look it it isn't just you that is the problem and that's

00:22:21.080 honestly it's kind of like a comfort blanket sure yeah say you know it was just me i guess i'll just

00:22:26.520 pull my bootstraps up again and i'm and i'm the first person say look get a job get and work

00:22:32.540 actually learn a skill do something you know don't just play video games actually do something

00:22:36.440 but you have to accept when there is a political problem yes and that's what this is i mean there's

00:22:42.040 just so many actual examples of this like this and what we've we've covered like three industries

00:22:46.840 there but corporate america has just actually it's just incredible what they've actually done they've

00:22:52.420 got a graph in here or like i remember this yeah yeah oh yeah where the the new hires in 300 000

00:22:59.980 jobs only six percent were white wow i don't know what percent of them are male but uh that is mad

00:23:07.120 isn't it yeah yeah yeah but again to what extent and it may say this in the article but is this true

00:23:13.460 belief in ideology or is this you know the following of uh sort of esg type incentives it's going to be

00:23:18.840 to funding that leads to investment it's going to be both um it's it's absolutely the esg incentive

00:23:24.760 as a real tangible financial benefit um but there's also the social benefits of doing so i mean if you

00:23:31.740 were going to be a company who maybe you didn't need the esg money you were still going to find

00:23:35.800 yourself reputation reputationally damaged right and so okay so we've we've just kicked out white men

00:23:42.700 from basically corporate america and then you've got the pressure from the h1b visas as well which

00:23:48.340 of course has resulted in all sorts of things and this was telegraphed very very clearly back in 2015

00:23:55.000 um which one's now that's the h1b's one uh this was telegraphed very very clearly back in 2015

00:24:02.380 this is from buzzfeed 21 uh 23 writers with messages for straight white males in publishing let's go down

00:24:08.660 gone under like exactly but read less straight white men so oh my gosh let's zoom this out

00:24:15.880 it's a bit zoomed in um it's just well i guess stare as well it gets it gets worse right so this

00:24:26.180 but you can see this is just a direct racial and gendered attack on their enemy they're completely

00:24:33.300 shameless about it completely shameless yeah and this i mean i'm sure i must have done a video on

00:24:38.340 this article back in 2015 almost definitely uh yeah there's there's no no doubt that i would have

00:24:42.920 done uh and then number eight's another like this is the arrogance of this we owe you nothing oh my

00:24:49.560 gosh are you insane like every building smiling look at the building that she's in the complex

00:24:54.820 engineering that was required yeah yeah i know that straight white men built that yeah obviously i know

00:25:00.480 they designed everything you're wearing you know like come on glasses grow up grow up but

00:25:05.620 now there are better ones what's that one look out there sit down and let us abolish you

00:25:10.580 but once again i mean the fact of the matter is a huge number of white men did look at this

00:25:18.600 yeah yeah okay oh no it's not even here everyone did yeah it's like a which is like a dominated like

00:25:23.960 kink fetish or it literally is the thing is like i i was very active so i was a pariah at this time

00:25:31.800 yeah yeah i was like but back in 2013 when i first started publishing videos against feminism because

00:25:36.720 this is what this comes out of um you you basically couldn't really criticize feminism without being

00:25:42.880 called a misogynist it's just assumed you hated women i was like no i think there are genuine

00:25:46.980 philosophical issues with feminism that can create problems further down the line which we are

00:25:51.080 currently going through now and this sort of stuff was terrifying to what i guess we'd call the

00:25:56.540 straight white male establishment because they didn't know how they were supposed to defend

00:26:00.280 themselves because they were mired in the kind of classical liberal 90s colorblind ideology of

00:26:06.600 well we're just going to hire a merit and they frankly had kind of judo flipped them with their

00:26:12.880 own ideology saying yeah okay and your intrinsic unconscious bias has led to you hiring a bunch of

00:26:17.980 straight white men it's like okay um but i noticed that now 10 years down the line everything

00:26:23.560 everything's terrible um so this there was a tremendous guilt complex on the parts of the

00:26:30.460 establishment when attacked in this way and they really had no ideological defenses for it because

00:26:36.060 the people who designed this ideology had spent 30 years crafting and honing and figuring out okay

00:26:41.800 where are your weak points yeah whereas everyone else was sat there just coasting along making things and

00:26:47.600 you know making a great society grilling exactly not just growing but just being industrious you know

00:26:52.500 building stuff i mean there's just so many other things you know she's coming for you so you know

00:26:58.000 that you're talking to another human being yeah who has dreams and aspirations of their own this this

00:27:03.180 is this is the language of supremacy yeah this is supremacist ideology that's yeah 100 yeah it reminds me

00:27:09.360 someone had um someone had come forward about uh the nhs we get a lot of concerns about the nhs it's one of the

00:27:15.420 biggest ones we get and it was it was actually a woman who wasn't white and she came she came to us

00:27:22.560 explaining her story saying that she had a complaint to uh the authorities within the nhs one of the

00:27:29.640 manager level people and she went to them with this complaint and they literally said to her something

00:27:35.920 along the lines of well do you want to make it racial because that way we can fast track it oh well and

00:27:42.840 it was like and they she told me that and it was like it was reading it going like is it any wonder

00:27:49.480 that this is happening so widespread i mean imagine that a white guy goes to like a brown woman and says

00:27:56.980 yeah we've read your complaint um but can you make it racial just so that we can fast track it please

00:28:02.600 like that's that's insane like how can they not hear themselves and how mental that is it just doesn't

00:28:08.900 wonder if their bonus is contingent on the number of racial complaints yeah but they say using the

00:28:14.200 racial um element to uh to complaints especially within the nhs in some areas um is a way to get

00:28:23.340 your complaint fast tracking and this and this is the other thing on the incentives point that person

00:28:28.700 who took that complaint and suggested that the person make it racial is probably just looking at

00:28:32.760 their workload and thinking well if they make this racial i can get this dealt with yeah in one hour

00:28:37.120 instead of three and not just that it's just their boss has been like look just you know we're here

00:28:41.200 to help browns and women now yeah so make sure that you prioritize them and you're going to get a tick

00:28:47.280 on your um assessment at the end of the year so there's all sorts of incentives that just made the

00:28:52.240 the system like dominoes just completely flipped because it began within liberal ideology and like

00:28:57.460 you let me look at this you've not doomed us you've doomed yourself what are you talking about man

00:29:01.680 you know it's kind of true sure but like why are you fighting a race war because that's the

00:29:07.660 language of a race war yeah it's like no i'm against you as white men it's like oh brilliant you know

00:29:12.080 again there are just so many others hire women diversity makes you strong women aren't diversity

00:29:17.120 we're talking about you know we don't need you oh okay thanks very much this is again

00:29:22.320 pretty unsympathetic actually a kiss on the end mate that's good yeah pretty unsympathetic and so

00:29:28.880 like i said they were telegraphing this back in 2015 and uh now we get to see it everywhere yes

00:29:33.800 this was one of these the other day there have been numerous other examples this is just the most

00:29:38.080 remarkable in the context of them wanting to start a war with russia but then you've got the uh bbc

00:29:44.280 offering uh racial schemes uh just literally internships and programs that are specifically

00:29:51.200 for non-white people and they think it's the right thing to do remember this from 2016

00:29:54.880 i doubtless made a video about this as well yeah and this is something that they think is legal

00:30:00.960 the bbc's like yeah no no that's totally fine uh i'm not sure that it is actually i think actually

00:30:06.260 under the law you probably could argue this andrew bridgen was coming out against this back then

00:30:10.900 good for him um again you can see that the the seeds of this all of the people on the right the

00:30:16.400 correct side of the argument they're still here yeah right you know it's like me andrew bridgen all

00:30:20.880 these sorts of people they're still here because we we were correct about all of this that's the

00:30:25.460 funny thing like the time horizon that people think on in modern politics is so short like all those

00:30:30.860 people who held up those signs and all the people who were who were gloating who were gleeful about

00:30:35.900 you know essentially you know discriminating against straight white men a racial push they're all still

00:30:40.520 here you're yeah you're here now we're here yeah you know we're living out the consequences of this

00:30:45.140 paradigm and it's like you know kind of where do we go from here and that is and that is

00:30:49.400 ultimately the question because it can't you know it's not going to continue like this it can't it's

00:30:52.580 it's not sustainable no it's also not cool anymore yeah that's also that's also true yeah there's

00:30:57.720 definitely a shift happening there it's not fashionable no and the thing is when called to

00:31:01.640 account for this uh labor endorse this i mean labor defends yeah no we should have black only positions

00:31:07.040 we should explicitly discriminate uh this is this is normal to us and the way that we think

00:31:12.620 things should go it's like okay but uh like we'd said half of young white men are sympathetic

00:31:19.160 to adolf hitler i actually don't want that i would like a more integrated society and so the

00:31:25.780 answer is well what can be done and well honestly straight white men have got to start making an

00:31:31.940 argument for themselves yeah as in why actually do we deserve the positions that we get and the answer

00:31:37.240 is probably something to do with the continuation of civilization and the fair redistribution of

00:31:41.520 resources as in you're not going to get a wife if you can't get a job if you can't get a job

00:31:46.020 you can't actually pay for the things for a family and actually buy a house have children

00:31:50.460 and our civilization dies on the vine so anyway we'll leave that there but uh it was all explicit

00:31:57.160 all completely explicit they knew what they were doing and they brought this about themselves

00:32:01.680 um luke said uh they also want straight white men to die for them in a war like you guys were

00:32:07.340 saying yesterday yeah i know it's it's mad um magnus says uh sad cnpr die bob edwards and carl

00:32:13.160 castle did great radio back in the 90s a lot of still people a lot of people still fondly remember

00:32:17.400 car talk uh always takes a white man to build anything great well i mean there are things that

00:32:22.460 are great that are built by non-white men obviously but like the the thing is you'll notice that they're

00:32:27.460 not innovating in their own institutions right they look at institutions that were built by straight

00:32:32.200 white men and say okay we'd like to have the prestige that comes with that it's like okay but you do

00:32:37.860 that that's fine we are going to start building new institutions elsewhere and this time we're

00:32:43.480 going to gatekeep um sigil stone says i got over hating women and minorities taking advantage of

00:32:49.200 the system uh against me by ignoring all the women and minorities engineering the system to be against

00:32:53.560 me it didn't get that way on its own exactly drunk changeling says uh you should do everything

00:32:57.840 your ability to succeed in a broken system but that doesn't mean you cannot point out the system is

00:33:01.220 broken and it doesn't mean it's unjust that you demand the system change either um it's not a

00:33:06.060 victim mentality it's recognizing you've been discriminated against sadly the manly urge to

00:33:09.960 punch something in the face won't fix this problem that is basically the issue um right okay let's let's

00:33:14.700 move on yep got the uh uh well let's go to connor's one uh connor charlie's one um oh yeah i know this

00:33:23.500 is this is lewis it's lewis one of you do you wanna go well no it's it's fine okay sure okay

00:33:28.420 so polling from ipsos indicates that immigration remains the top issue for the british public which is not

00:33:35.400 surprising i think it's you know it's the most salient issue by far now for most people um for

00:33:40.920 a lot of reasons and i think the main reason is the consequences of it are evident along every metric

00:33:46.680 right everywhere how price of housing yeah law and order it's walking down the street yeah uh high

00:33:52.340 streets you know everywhere the the demographic reality of the country is self-evident at this

00:33:57.380 point and i think that's you know a lot of people even those who even a year ago were nervous about

00:34:02.660 touching this topic it's just become undeniable right and so there's a lot of talk about immigration

00:34:08.300 certainly on our side of things and increasingly across the spectrum it's you know it's interesting

00:34:12.020 there is now this consensus across you know the left and right whatever that even means at this

00:34:16.460 point uh that legal mass immigration is a huge problem and it's tearing our society apart you saw

00:34:21.400 keir starmer uh celebrating the news that net migration was down to 204 000 to the year to june

00:34:26.620 2025 which is still historically speaking insanely high well then the the gross intake was 850 000

00:34:33.160 yes why are you bringing in 850 000 how do you not realize i mean like have you have you tried you

00:34:38.000 know drive anywhere use the trains use any kind of infrastructure you realize god there are just too

00:34:42.500 many people yeah yeah but but nevertheless it does appear that there is now this consensus emerging

00:34:47.240 across the spectrum uh that this is a huge problem um and so in my view it's now become it's kind of a

00:34:53.560 it's a permitted kind of edgy topic to talk about about how legal immigration is a huge problem

00:34:59.580 because it's just self-evident right and so what i would like the you know where i would like the

00:35:03.540 discourse to go now is actually looking at the conditions that created this state of affairs

00:35:08.340 because i don't think that there's really enough serious thinking on this question because we hear

00:35:12.720 the platitude or not platitudes but we hear the kind of the classic lines of well it was tony blair

00:35:17.380 wanting to rub the rights face in diversity and all this sort of thing which is true but at one level

00:35:21.760 that is true but in my view that is it's window dressing for the more fundamental point here um

00:35:27.500 and and that point is that and i tweeted about this recently which was it was met with quite a huge

00:35:33.040 amount of hostility um but i think it's important it's it's essentially that the conditions that gave

00:35:38.740 rise to mass immigration in the united kingdom are essentially the fault of nobody but ourselves and i

00:35:44.620 want to begin by presenting essentially three you know three statements that i think are important to

00:35:50.900 understand here the first is that the united kingdom operates a what i would call a usury based

00:35:56.400 economy right a huge amount of our economy is founded on credit and on debt and and it's interest

00:36:02.540 based right and for that you know because of that we have an economy that demands endless and

00:36:08.680 constant growth you know there's a reason that you hear conservatives labor and reform in unison

00:36:14.020 talking about the need for growth which really means just increasing nominal gdp not even gdp per capita

00:36:20.020 just overall gdp and the reason for that is because if we don't have growth this usury based system

00:36:25.480 collapses because we can't service our debts you add on to that the fact that we have this hulking

00:36:29.960 welfare state um if we don't you know if we don't have growth then we can't finance that and suddenly

00:36:34.600 you're looking at a situation where people are going without pensions um which you know frankly when

00:36:39.480 it comes to the welfare question the pension side of it is is i i think the one our leaders are

00:36:44.480 thinking about the most because they're probably thinking if we can't pay the pensions people are going to

00:36:48.180 die because they can't afford food because they can't afford heating in their homes and so on and

00:36:53.160 so i think they genuinely worry about the welfare that goes to single mothers as well that as well

00:36:57.360 yes yeah you're totally right like forget all of the like disability universal i don't mean all of

00:37:01.660 that all of that nonsense right that's that's i don't think that's what they're thinking about when

00:37:04.840 they're when they're thinking this way we were talking on the way up about how it's probably the

00:37:08.840 case when you know a new prime minister or whatever gets into office and an advisor from the obr or from

00:37:15.020 the treasury comes up to them and says right so you want to do these tax cuts you want to you want

00:37:20.000 to halt immigration for example if you do that we're not going to be able to raise enough tax

00:37:24.460 revenue to pay for the pensions and on your watch you know 200 000 pensioners are going to die

00:37:29.820 and so when when faced with that situation you can understand why a prospective prime minister would

00:37:35.080 say well what am i supposed to do that exactly got to go another route yeah and this is the point you

00:37:39.880 the system as as it exists now it's creaking at the seams because it cannot sustain the economic

00:37:45.060 program that has been i think inflicted on the country and in my view mass immigration is a

00:37:49.740 consequence of that it's a symptom of that it's not actually the root cause of all of our problems and

00:37:55.320 this in my view is where the right is going wrong at the moment we think that mass immigration is at the

00:37:59.520 root of the sickness that afflicts this country but it's not it's a symptom of the sickness it's a very

00:38:04.360 very malign and damaging uh symptom but nevertheless it is a symptom and so these people have been brought

00:38:11.360 here for a reason yes and so and so uh to those people who say that like remigration is the solution

00:38:16.820 to all of our problems i just don't think that that's the case because you're still not um taking

00:38:21.540 that one step back and looking at the conditions that created this state of affairs in the first place

00:38:26.380 and so to that i want to add the fact that since the end of the second world war particularly in the

00:38:32.580 1960s our country has of course pursued a social program a socially liberal program right embodied

00:38:40.340 most um in my view malignantly in the forms of abortion widespread abortion and contraception

00:38:48.660 because what that what those two things have given rise to and the sexual revolution more generally

00:38:52.720 is declining fertility rates declining marriage rates and therefore an aging population which our

00:38:58.080 leaders are looking at and saying well what are we supposed to do if we don't have workers

00:39:02.240 who can do the work engage in economic economically productive activity and pay taxes this whole

00:39:08.380 system is going to collapse so can i can i uh pause you on that because i think that what you're looking

00:39:12.760 at there like with immigration are actually the symptoms of a system go on i think it's actually

00:39:18.080 the pension system itself that does this because prior to a state-run pension system people deliberately

00:39:26.320 got married and had children so they would have someone to take care of them sure yeah and so all of

00:39:31.780 this i think is downstream of that understanding that i don't need to have children to take care

00:39:36.140 of me when i'm old now the government will do it for me yeah and so the very nature of the pension

00:39:40.360 system leads to contraception leads to abortion leads to failing marriages but in in the same way

00:39:47.220 that immigration is a damaging consequence of that yes i think actually it's slightly further

00:39:52.460 upstream it's an interesting point that and i think this is ultimately the question is what what is the

00:39:56.720 direction of causality you know what is the chicken and what is the egg here i'm i think you're right

00:40:01.940 about the immigration stuff and i'm sure i'm right about the marriage stuff too yeah yeah because on

00:40:05.860 i mean on the well no let's let's go into this so so the usury-based economy point i think this is

00:40:09.980 really crucial to understand um usury is one of those words that's it's not very popular to use in

00:40:14.680 this country for whatever reason but in my view it's just it's a bit archaic it seems okay well sure

00:40:19.280 but but it is it's what you would describe as a thick concept because you could say you could say

00:40:23.460 debt-based economy or you could say interest-based economy but actually usury contains with it a

00:40:27.980 condemnation of that practice which is right because actually out of this system who benefits

00:40:33.280 well it's certainly not ordinary people who are seeing their wages go down taxes go up house prices

00:40:37.920 increase and ability to live a comfortable lifestyle it disappear it's fundamentally a non-productive way of

00:40:44.200 making money yes so it's got parasitic implications absolutely yes and so it's no surprise that so much of

00:40:49.960 our economy is basically you know based out of the square mile in that is the city of london

00:40:54.720 financial services and so on and this is championed by a lot of people on the right they think that

00:40:58.880 it's good that our economy has become financialized but actually in my view that's the sort of thatcherite

00:41:03.440 consensus exactly and it's like well i mean yeah and it's like on paper like when you speak to people

00:41:08.420 who are of that mind and i've heard multiple people independently use this analogy they will say

00:41:13.280 well you make the cake bigger and everybody gets more and it's like okay i can understand that like

00:41:18.740 in a very extreme way that's true why that might be the case and it would be ideal if that was the

00:41:22.200 case and in a good system that will be the case because you know this this the sort of growth

00:41:26.200 narrative obviously it's the case that you want an economy that generates wealth and and which leads

00:41:31.860 to better sands of living for you know as many people as possible right but our system doesn't do

00:41:37.080 that it does not to sound like a you know like a socialist or a marxist but it basically enriches

00:41:42.860 a tiny minority of uh you know moneyed interests who exist at the top of society they own a huge

00:41:49.340 number of the assets and they just kind of you know they use their assets to continuously generate

00:41:53.880 money um through essentially usury and not just usury but also rent seeking yes which is another

00:41:59.780 massive problem i mean like people can complain oh i don't agree with zach polanski no i don't agree

00:42:03.240 with zach polanski either but the reason that so many people are siding with him now is because

00:42:08.520 he is identifying accurately the problem yes like what we want is actually collectively we want

00:42:14.240 property ownership right we want each person yes to own something well what does zach polanski come

00:42:20.420 out and say the other day i want to ban landlords yeah that's a very ham-fisted way of saying i want

00:42:26.400 what we we want yes is for you to own your house yes you know obviously we want people to own this

00:42:31.080 there are they're identifying from different angles that's that's a crucial point because private

00:42:36.260 property is often bound up with like free market and free trade as and that is what constitutes

00:42:41.800 capitalism in the minds of most people and i don't like that i don't agree with that because i think

00:42:45.560 that in a lot of ways it is this desire for a completely open unregulated market that has got us to

00:42:52.780 the position that we're in today where a huge number of assets are owned by a tiny number of people

00:42:56.660 and organizations the very nature of the ideological concept of a free market has hidden the fact

00:43:02.860 that actually the the free and open capitalistic market is currently inhibiting property ownership

00:43:08.280 yes if you have the free movement of goods capital people and services well actually that means that

00:43:13.980 you have the sort of monopolization of a housing industry that means that financial services are

00:43:19.380 treated as equivalent as productive yes functions of industry and the free movement of people puts

00:43:25.480 demands on all of these things all at once yes and so young people can't afford houses they also can't

00:43:30.800 find jobs and everything they do begins with a huge burden of debt on it yes and so it's it's you know

00:43:37.340 is this property ownership no but this is a free market yes and so you know one one thing is not

00:43:43.400 serving the other and this and this is the crucial point in my view like our you know as as a as a

00:43:48.420 political faction insofar as we are coherent our economic uh you know top line has to be private

00:43:55.700 private property ownership of property is is is the prime function of the economy to deliver private

00:44:01.420 property to as many people as possible because that is foundational to the creation of a household

00:44:06.340 which which is not just a building with people inside it it is a in my view a spiritual entity

00:44:12.340 which is composed of the mother the father children dependents a house a house absolutely is

00:44:17.700 metaphysical we call it a home yes yes you know every every other language lives in a house we don't we live

00:44:22.740 in homes yes you know the english is actually really quite interesting in that way but you're

00:44:26.980 absolutely right because i mean look and the thing is as well like the the sort of traditionalist right

00:44:31.080 has not properly explained what it is we want out of the economy and that is a real problem because

00:44:35.940 what we want is labor to produce yes right so when we physically make something we're making a podcast

00:44:41.700 but at least we will physically have a podcast at the end of it right so there is a a good or service

00:44:46.620 or product something physical that we can say this is what we have done today and the market will you

00:44:52.220 determine its value based on supply and demand you know natural uninflated uh true figures uh that

00:45:01.060 allow us to make real you know solid money that allows us to purchase property that we can live in

00:45:05.920 and do all those things that you said that's that's just i think very traditional view of what the

00:45:09.740 economy should be totally yeah uncomplicated yeah and you add into this the the fiat money system

00:45:15.300 which allows the government to essentially uh destroy people's savings print us to save their own

00:45:20.300 backsides just i've got a podcast coming out over the christmas period by the way uh where i go into

00:45:24.860 the death penalty interfering with the value of money there were there were dozens of laws against

00:45:30.560 that that would all carry the death penalty yes like rishi sunak what he did with our currency

00:45:34.960 would have just been instant death yeah he would have been hanged in public 200 years ago and this

00:45:39.780 is the point is our ancestors recognize these problems they recognize the threat posed by usury by

00:45:46.260 you know constant what we today call constant of easing printing money and so on based on the money

00:45:50.200 supply yeah um you know because it it affects everything and destroys everything that was

00:45:54.360 exactly the rationale it imperils the financial health of the entire nation yeah obviously of

00:45:58.540 course it does and actually yeah and a and a tiny number of people uh benefit from it as well and

00:46:04.340 like you know and it's those people who say damn the consequences damn damn everyone else i'm gonna

00:46:08.840 just get rich off of screwing over the nation who are you know the greatest traitors of all and it is

00:46:13.160 it's really it's those people who occupy positions of power in financial institutions and in government

00:46:17.820 and those and those two uh entities are in cahoots with one another there's a line yeah um lewis and

00:46:23.500 i were talking on the train about sort of you know economic systems and it is as though in the west we

00:46:27.560 have kind of the reverse of what china has in that we have public private partnerships between well

00:46:32.940 between the state and and corporations um but in our system the senior partner in that arrangement is

00:46:39.060 the private the senior partner is the corporations whereas in china for example the senior partner is

00:46:43.600 the state and you can make what you want of the chinese system um many people think that it's the

00:46:47.740 economic system of the future including the likes of blair so make of that i mean how much longer can

00:46:52.180 our economic system truly but this is the point when you're when when the ultimate clients of your

00:46:56.340 economy is not households but corporations unaccountable often international corporations

00:47:01.860 and asset management firms like you're going to go into in your segment lewis

00:47:05.200 um how can you say that we've got you know a good economy because on your on your question of

00:47:09.380 what the purpose of the economy should be and what kind of economic program we should be promoting

00:47:13.700 i you know i've said many times that i don't think we should be saying capitalism because to a lot of

00:47:18.020 people from an optics perspective it's a very negatively coded word and more to the point you know

00:47:22.780 the free market is actually not what we're lacking right now it's it's economic security we've got an

00:47:27.440 excess of free market jesus christ yeah this is the thing with the the steel the the last steel factory

00:47:33.200 yes are we going to take it into government ownership it's like well why why don't you just

00:47:36.540 put a massive tariff on chinese steel yeah because actually i look this up britain has huge iron

00:47:42.360 reserves britain has huge coal reserves yeah we've got a lot of copper we've got a lot of actual

00:47:46.620 physical resources in the ground yes we could produce our own and did which is why we led the

00:47:52.520 industrial revolution it's just the chinese can use their slave labor to undercut our markets yes we

00:47:57.240 could prevent that you know just i mean you might have to pay slightly more for a television or

00:48:01.260 something yeah but buy one once every one or two years rather than one year you know what i mean

00:48:05.280 like and so we're at a point we're at a point where public sector debt is 95 of gdp and and in my view i

00:48:12.640 think a lot of these politicians who get into positions like chancellor for example rachel reeves

00:48:16.420 you know being like the prime example she's probably she goes into that office she goes into number 11

00:48:20.460 and a load of advisors come up to her and say right we're fucked now we're screwed and and you are

00:48:25.820 basically just the figurehead to sell this to the public right and um and so it's you know in a way i mean

00:48:30.780 i don't feel bad for rachel reeves because i think that she is a you know a malignant arrogant

00:48:35.060 individual but at the same time you know she is like she's just the person who happens to be in

00:48:40.360 that position whilst everything is collapsing yeah dan dan gave a speech on this uh conference which

00:48:46.020 caused me to say look do you want to come and have a job with us because he was like look all of the

00:48:49.800 positions are in checkmate yeah it doesn't matter who you put into the into the position exactly as

00:48:55.300 saying cofers yeah yeah they they literally can't change it and so nothing changes yes yes and so

00:49:01.520 and so again household debt 80 of gdp everyone's in debt nobody can afford anything so obviously this

00:49:07.620 system isn't working so to spending literally half of what's earned yes it's a mad yeah it is and by 20

00:49:13.080 i think it's 2029 um net uh tax revenue is going to be 38 of gdp so we're looking at a situation where

00:49:19.420 as you say literally half of what we earn is nicked by the government to be spent primarily not

00:49:23.920 primarily but largely on financing debt and paying for the foreigners that they've brought here to

00:49:30.160 maintain this system and so on that point and this is the point i really want to make here is how

00:49:34.140 you know a kind of holistic view of the problem how these things will link together because in my view

00:49:38.780 it is you know the the decline in marriage and fertility rates is you know you're quite inseparable

00:49:44.560 from this problem right um and so what we've got is that not working which one are we looking for

00:49:51.380 right um i wanted to look at the marriage and uh if we yeah next one here we go so you look at

00:49:56.900 marriage rates right in in this country um and this is from 1887 to 2020 you look at that that drop at

00:50:03.640 the end and and the and the consistent drop you'll notice uh where the drop begins in the mid 90s

00:50:09.240 it's the late 60s right and this in my view is because of the sexual revolution and a moral paradigm

00:50:15.040 that uh views things like marriage not as being sources of meaning and belonging for people and which

00:50:20.700 have which carry a huge amount of spiritual content and you know have always been the places where

00:50:25.960 people derive their sense of home from but actually as oppressive prisons that exist to keep you down

00:50:31.420 right and this is this is basically the feminist view of marriage um and so out of that arises uh

00:50:37.180 abortion divorce and contraception and what this leads to um is a fertility rate that is uh here we go

00:50:45.800 that is going off a cliff edge yeah and once again it's the mid 60s that you start to see the massive

00:50:51.840 decline yeah yeah no you are you are right um this this is all the post-war settlement it's like right

00:50:57.520 you're gonna have the nhs uh cradle to grave nhs and then the pension system yeah and but what what

00:51:03.200 you're looking at here is a raw number of marriages so remember the boomers had on average about two

00:51:07.060 kids right the boomers themselves were a massive generation because their parents didn't have

00:51:11.220 contraception and they didn't know that they were going to get a welfare state a pension system yeah

00:51:16.180 so they they had like five or six kids each right both on both sides of my family yes both of my

00:51:21.420 parents come from six sibling families yeah massive families completely normal and then so if the boomers

00:51:28.800 have two kids come the sort of late 90s well you've got a much smaller demographic cohort that then

00:51:34.940 is like okay are we going to get married and have kids well yes so that's why you get and then you add

00:51:40.540 into that uh this problem which is abortion which again you know people when i when i talk about this

00:51:45.700 people get really weird because they're it's uncomfortable issue and everyone says well it's

00:51:49.260 a settled issue in the uk we don't talk about that kind of thing but again it is inseparable from this

00:51:53.900 problem because we since the legalization of abortion in 1967 with the abortion act there have been in

00:51:59.840 this country about 11 million abortions and in that same period by the way last year it was 250 000

00:52:05.200 i was in poland recently there they have very restrictive abortion laws and there were off the top of my head

00:52:10.400 275 full stop abortions in poland in 2023 here 250 000 right so that's the scale that we're dealing

00:52:19.000 with and in that same period 67 to the present the population of the united kingdom has nevertheless

00:52:25.420 grown by 14 million would you like to guess how much of that 14 million is as a result of immigration

00:52:31.180 oh almost all of it yeah something like 96 or something so 11 million abortions 14 million

00:52:36.440 population increase about 10 million is due to immigration right so we have this very direct

00:52:40.900 relationship between immigration and the number of uh babies who were aborted because those you know

00:52:45.960 the the vacuum that those abortions leave again from the perspective of the government has to be

00:52:50.800 fulfilled by somebody because otherwise the whole system is going to collapse and the whole thing was

00:52:54.180 predicated on essentially being a pyramid scheme anyway so okay well if when it's set up right the

00:52:59.560 average person's having like five kids or something yeah the average couple's having five kids okay well

00:53:03.620 then we could have a retirement program that means that it continually grows yes but of course this is

00:53:11.400 the sort of malthusian trap no things don't just continue on the current trend forever yes things

00:53:16.040 change and so now like you say the the economic system of the country is like okay well we're just

00:53:20.800 gonna have to bring in these people whether you like it or not yes and this is why boris has just

00:53:24.960 opened the open the floodgates so the financial times likes me why does the financial times all that

00:53:29.300 because it's the system itself that they're concerned about exactly right and this and this

00:53:32.460 is the point i i went on gb news recently and i said on there that actually if the market demands

00:53:37.180 immigration if the economic system demands mass immigration and and the consequent demographic

00:53:41.640 upheaval and replacement ultimately of the indigenous population of this country i say let the market and

00:53:47.120 the economy die yeah but that's not going to happen and and by the way i recognize what a huge statement

00:53:51.420 that is because what what i'm saying there is allow people to essentially fall into poverty and allow

00:53:56.580 everything to collapse but honestly as i said our people have survived worse in the past what they

00:54:01.280 won't survive is demographic replacement on a mass scale what what notice the kind of implied

00:54:06.780 helplessness when people hear that so what if the government doesn't do it all of these people are

00:54:11.040 just going to die are they no no i'm going to start a charity yeah i'm going to help the people around

00:54:16.780 me and you're going to help the people around you and that guy's going to help the people around

00:54:20.400 here yes we will be fine it's just we won't be wards of the state and this is what is so kind of

00:54:26.040 in my view narcissistic about the system that we have right now it's you know it you know people

00:54:30.220 aren't having enough babies so we have to kind of artificially prop up the system yeah so that you

00:54:34.800 know it kind of just continues chugging along creaking and and kind of breaking in different places

00:54:39.320 and if that means that the future of this country is completely is complete chaos and destruction

00:54:43.800 well so be it because we're going to keep the system the sacred system going for a for an arbitrarily

00:54:49.260 longer amount of time just as long as we can was carrying the the vase as far as we can yeah and

00:54:55.420 so obviously you know everybody knows this graph but you can look at that and and see again this

00:54:59.620 slow uptick from uh the kind of middle of the previous century to the present again 1967 that's

00:55:05.400 the key year that's abortion and contraception in the same year from there it's a it's a slow uptick

00:55:09.760 to the point where we have you know net a million in 23 you're you're exactly right and you can you

00:55:14.800 can see that they started getting panicky yes the 2000s uh 2010s as well you can see they started

00:55:20.260 getting panicky being like right okay the system is not going to sustain itself yes if we don't do

00:55:24.880 this and again you know everybody everybody but instead of instead of being like okay maybe the

00:55:30.100 system needs changed they're not well no there's too many entrenched interests yes so just the the

00:55:33.840 country has to be replaced yes yes in the name of the uh in the name of the sacred system and of course

00:55:38.920 this this document as well is very famous this replacement migration document by the un

00:55:42.300 everybody reads the title of it and they think oh my gosh it's a conspiracy and they're trying to

00:55:46.140 replace us and if you actually look at this document really what they say this is going to

00:55:50.060 be terrible it's just that it's just the reality of the situation they say we have these economic

00:55:53.700 systems that that rely on constant growth people aren't having enough kids so we're going to have

00:55:57.940 to bring in millions of people from all over the world and towards the end they're just like yeah

00:56:01.360 this is going to cause huge social issues yes they obviously it has yeah they they and they

00:56:06.440 actually essentially the tone of it is advising against doing this you know the tone of it is like oh this

00:56:12.000 would be a real problem if we do this exactly and so to conclude um in my view any uh again we have

00:56:17.580 to have a holistic view of these things and i don't feel that a lot of the right has that at this

00:56:21.480 stage i think that we're looking at these things in isolation we're looking at the demographics and

00:56:24.620 we're thinking well if we just reverse that then everything will be fine but it's actually no if we

00:56:28.060 have to look at the conditions that gave rise to it and we have to uh grapple with the fact that

00:56:33.760 really it's a lot of it is the it's the social liberalism that is the problem here well the the

00:56:38.780 the thing is you've got to boil it down to a mimetic takeaway right and the mimetic takeaway

00:56:44.880 i think is you can choose you will have either have pensions or abortions yes that's your choice

00:56:49.960 that's exactly right pensions or abortions you choose ladies and gents indeed indeed yes so so

00:56:55.020 yeah as i say in my view remigration if that is going to be you know on the on the on the plate on

00:57:01.220 you know a sort of thing that could potentially happen in the future has to be coupled with a

00:57:05.940 re-embracing of traditional christian values as it pertains to family marriage the building of the

00:57:12.620 household and so on by which i mean outlaw abortion outlaw contraception and uh engage in remigration

00:57:18.640 and also basically a kind of return to sort of traditional protestant economics you know whether

00:57:23.280 whether you like it or not you know this they had it right you work hard you earn your money

00:57:27.380 and everything gets better yeah i mean i do think as a catholic i would say that catholic economics are

00:57:32.160 very good as well if you read rerum novarum for example that's a very interesting text on the

00:57:36.400 relationship between capital and labor from a catholic perspective which is basically that the

00:57:40.100 two should be symbiotic from the perspective of an englishman uh it's protestant economics that makes

00:57:45.480 the most sense maybe so maybe so anyway we'll move on before we move on actually because i realized i've

00:57:50.700 been sat here just listening so forgive me i was actually no i i've been really enjoying it so i wanted

00:57:55.820 to sit and listen to add just briefly um i think there is a perspective of the normie perspective

00:58:03.780 right and i think we were talking about this last night on the phone when we were discussing about

00:58:07.840 what we're going to talk about today and a lot of it is the average person likes to be incentivized

00:58:14.240 by something so given something in return um also naturally rebellious whether that manifests

00:58:22.500 in various other aspects um and also people like to just get on with what they're doing in their own

00:58:29.040 bubble and unfortunately a lot of the times trying to cut through on these issues to the average person

00:58:35.360 is extremely difficult yes um so how do we do that and i guess i was going to pose that question but i

00:58:42.640 guess you know to wrap it up i guess well this by the way if i can just quickly i know we're a little

00:58:46.600 bit short of time but this is another point that i've made recently which again is met with a huge

00:58:50.440 amount of pushback is is basically you know you look around these days and a lot of people like

00:58:57.560 this a lot of people yeah they want this they want the way things are they like the way things are

00:59:02.280 and so anything yeah anything that does you know uh sort of confer any amount of hardship or discomfort

00:59:08.720 is always going to be unpopular but the problem with the with the kind of democratic system that we

00:59:12.960 have is the currency social and political is not truth it's popularity and so if you just say

00:59:18.040 and say and do what's popular then you're going to you're going to win you're going to get power

00:59:20.820 um insofar as you know elected office is actually a position of power these days

00:59:24.680 um but actually i think we have to start getting real about this we have to start getting real about

00:59:28.600 the fact that look there's going to be hardship to come the question is what kind of hardship is it

00:59:32.880 going to be comprehensive collapse or is it going to be you can't have an abortion you can't get

00:59:37.480 contraception and you're not going to get paid to sit on your ass all day and do nothing

00:59:41.540 there we go let's move on cool let me just grab my notes where are you there you are

00:59:47.980 okay uh this segment is inspired by a particular freedom of information response that i had the

00:59:56.260 other day pertaining to a particular meeting that happened in november 2024 between blackrock

01:00:02.600 larry fink and uk ministers including keir starmer uh rachel reeves i remember them posting

01:00:09.400 about this proudly on their twitter account yes they did yes and then they started saying

01:00:13.560 weirdly in my response there wasn't no meeting and we went well here are the photos the government's

01:00:19.600 twitter account has been out literally um but to understand what's going on we were having a

01:00:24.800 conversation last night about um how does society actually function how does it work and i think the

01:00:30.060 average person doesn't quite understand how it works and what what it is exactly you know people say

01:00:37.460 well we live we live in a communist state you know people on twitter or we live in a fascist state

01:00:42.260 or we live in this we live in that we live in a technocracy we're living that um i propose that it's

01:00:47.980 james burnham's theory of um the managerial state and that's what i believe and i wanted to go through a

01:00:55.120 bit about in this segment about elite theory uh what it means and how it pertains to our current

01:01:00.780 situation um so there are five key core principles in what is elite theory and obviously what that

01:01:08.740 basically is in a nutshell is a small group that holds disproportionate power over politics economy

01:01:14.620 and culture it's fair and then you have elite unity so elites share a common background interest and social

01:01:22.340 standing allowing them to collaborate and protect their positions and i think this particular segment

01:01:27.780 uh segues quite nicely from what both of what we were talking about in both our segments uh top

01:01:34.920 down influence is another one uh decisions flow primarily from elites to the masses and not vice

01:01:40.640 versa nema parvini is obviously friend of the show wrote a book popular populist delusion which

01:01:46.800 talks about that and his latest book not to completely advertise him um but applied elite theory as well

01:01:54.220 um which i actually do recommend reading i've been reading it recently and me making notes um and that

01:02:01.180 sort of shows that it's actually practically on paper impossible almost in his current paradigm to have

01:02:08.540 a bottom-up uh influence in that respect people just weird just quickly on the elite theory um thing i

01:02:16.100 saw a video of mark andreessen talking about james burnham and robert michelles the other day really

01:02:21.100 kind of interesting because he is like a top level tech bro elite yeah and he's naming name dropping

01:02:26.300 uh the people that you know sort of people in our circles have been talking about for years and so

01:02:30.700 it's interesting the um i don't know by osmosis i suppose uh that he's he's come to those ideas

01:02:35.600 just into elites elites actually understanding elite theory it's kind of just to be clear burnham was

01:02:39.620 completely correct yeah and the liberal democracies will be reduced from political to administrative

01:02:45.080 yeah and that's we're seeing that everywhere all the time so that's all right uh there's an there's

01:02:49.980 two others interlocking uh directorates which is elites often hold positions across different

01:02:55.040 sectors for example corporate uh military and media forming powerful networks i said i said to you

01:03:01.060 that uh george osborne is now the md of open ai yes about that well i mean it's been having

01:03:06.400 what was it clegg went to facebook yes but then you've got the uh interchange in the media like with

01:03:11.900 the go for the spectator who's that communist that got sage as well oh yeah i know the one you're

01:03:18.140 talking about yeah i've got a name but it seems to be that's that's the way the mechanism works you

01:03:23.960 get into house of commons it's a it's almost like a cog wheel and then you're put into different

01:03:30.020 positions whether it be mark rutter in nato whether it be all these strange positions why is

01:03:35.220 tony blair anything that anyone talks about the gaza thing as well where he's administration of well

01:03:40.820 i think that's dropped now yeah i think it's been dropped but um but even just being pushed into a

01:03:45.000 position of rebuilding and everything like that and the last one is called the inevitable rule so elite

01:03:50.400 rule is seen unfortunately as unavoidable uh in any organized society challenging demographic sorry

01:03:58.200 democratic equality and i wrote a article for courage media back in may uh 2025 uh this this year

01:04:07.920 um where i received a reply from the cabinet cabinet office uh pertaining to a freedom of

01:04:14.260 information response asking for meeting notes on a particular figure bill gates um another unelected

01:04:22.120 person of course foreigner um i love bill gates is so involved with vaccines like but you were a

01:04:27.720 microsoft business it's so bizarre isn't it he didn't even code yeah i know anyway sorry yeah um so i asked

01:04:35.880 for memos notes about a particular meeting because it was it the meeting happened just before the budget

01:04:41.700 of 2024 and people online were circulating that he was involved in things like agriculture which is

01:04:48.480 correct uh because he he does a lot of work in in scotland particular uh to do with vaccinating uh cows

01:04:56.440 and and cattle and things like that so people made the speculation of that because after that we saw the

01:05:02.080 inheritance tax or the death tax is is what a lot of farmers are calling it which is totally correct

01:05:07.300 um and the government claimed it could not release these particular notes when i asked for them

01:05:12.780 because it might quote prejudice policy formulation so that's alarm bells if you're if you're seeing a

01:05:20.200 meeting happen between someone who's unelected and not from this country in particular some guy just

01:05:25.820 some guy just coming over and uh they're able to create off the shelf policies um and have these

01:05:33.640 meetings with uk ministers but if you ask well what is it you talked about in these meetings and they

01:05:39.020 say no you can't have that because that prejudices policy formulation you're going okay so they have a

01:05:45.460 hand in creating uk policy that's not right but that is part of the managerial revolution that happened

01:05:52.840 and that book was written in 41 i believe so as far back as that um so i opened in this particular

01:05:59.280 article saying uh quote we live in a managerial revolution james burnham wrote in the managerial

01:06:05.440 revolution in 1941 that the traditional capitalist ruling class would eventually be replaced not by

01:06:11.820 workers as karl marx suggested but by a new elite made up made up of managers technocrats and

01:06:18.300 bureaucrats you can call them just administrators yeah it's like the hr revolution essentially um

01:06:25.220 these are the people who control the apparatus of institutions corporations and governments

01:06:31.440 and would become the new ruling class exercising power not through ownership but through access

01:06:37.840 administration and knowledge fast forward to today and burnham's theory arguably plays out in the

01:06:44.260 seamless interplay between high finance international philanthropy and government figures such as i put

01:06:51.220 here carney so mark carney who was the bank of england and now is uh prime minister of canada um

01:06:58.300 larry fink of blackrock and of course bill gates of the bill and melinda gates foundation and i would

01:07:04.280 argue as well larry ellison of oracle um are not elected officials yet um they well carney is now

01:07:12.680 unfortunately uh but yet in the same way rishi sunak was elected exactly uh yet they have access to and

01:07:18.860 influence over core government decisions a decision making in britain particularly the economy central

01:07:24.480 infrastructure and net zero uh so i went on obviously to talk about that uh in the managerial revolution i do

01:07:32.960 recommend everyone everyone who wants to get into uh elite theory or just to understand how our politics

01:07:40.120 kind of works really is to read that book the managerial revolution is very dry it's very it is

01:07:47.040 very very dry exactly he's right but it's not exciting yeah i actually wrote my university

01:07:51.700 dissertation about it was about the managerial revolution and leviathan and its enemies which

01:07:55.840 is the kind of follow-up by samuel t francis and i made the case that actually conservatives you know

01:08:01.780 small c traditionally minded individuals um should absolutely be against managerial capitalism

01:08:07.640 right because it undermines everything that they hold dear and this is kind of in a way this this

01:08:12.520 does link to what i was saying in my segment in that it just dissolves everything in the name of

01:08:17.740 growth and this is the point is you know the managerial and this burnham talks about this

01:08:21.340 where the capitalist uh pursues profit the manager pursues growth because growth uh means that their own

01:08:27.800 uh you know that the requirement for managers is increased uh and their own power is is kind of

01:08:33.720 expanded another thing that managers pursue is stability yes stability is not necessarily a good

01:08:39.300 thing i'm very much on the austrian school of economics with this like no things are dying then

01:08:43.800 they should fail yes that will clear the forest for new growth um that provides opportunity that's

01:08:49.620 what actually improvement is yes and this is the point you know who who does this system serve well

01:08:54.120 it's not it's not ordinary people no that's for sure it is these people you're talking about

01:08:57.640 these managers in government and managers in business um who exercise as you say a huge amount

01:09:04.140 of influence over our lives our lives as individuals uh and yet we have absolutely no relationship with

01:09:10.800 them they manage our pensions they own our property uh they own they own the as you say a lot of the

01:09:15.680 agriculture farming uh land and so on um and their goal doesn't seem to be the well-being of

01:09:22.400 britain it's the stability and continuation of the system exactly and burnham had

01:09:27.620 his flaws you know he's a neoconservative so yeah next trotsky he he understood them very very well

01:09:33.920 very very well exactly he explains in that book uh like i said i do recommend reading it it is a bit

01:09:39.940 dry like you said uh the the divorce of power and ownership arguing that managers not shareholders

01:09:45.500 were becoming the true controllers in large organizations such as corporations state agencies and

01:09:51.360 making sorry state agencies making a new social order he saw the soviet union as the most

01:09:57.220 advanced example of this managerial society where bureaucracy and state control superseded

01:10:02.900 capitalist ownership and this new elite comprised of administrators and technical experts would

01:10:09.200 pursue its own interests creating a managerial system that could appear in both capitalist and

01:10:14.760 socialist states and that's why we see globalism as as a massive sort of uh vacuum with that and what

01:10:22.440 it technically is called now and this is the question is uh is this inevitable like is it is

01:10:27.500 it kind of like a you know a dialectical thing where this is always inevitably going to be the case if

01:10:32.420 you get to a certain level of sophistication as a society and i can't see how it wouldn't be inevitable

01:10:37.100 and so in a way i think the question is how do we make our peace with managerialism and how do we

01:10:42.320 have a managerial system that benefits ordinary people is it even possible for that to be the case

01:10:47.660 carl you're you're thinking there yeah i'm not i mean

01:10:50.880 it is a necessary aspect of a developed economy to have a certain level of managerialism but the the

01:11:02.480 issue is that the economy has become so structured towards this form of administration i mean like this

01:11:09.460 is what the quangocracy is yes it's to to create the managerial infrastructure outside of the political

01:11:16.660 bounds of westminster so actually this hems in the politicians that we elect and so essentially it

01:11:22.720 creates this unaccountable power structure that can't be touched or it could be touched but no

01:11:26.600 one's brave enough to touch it well to be fair rupert lowe on the public accounts committee is actually

01:11:30.240 talking directly to the permanent secretaries of the civil service who are actually the managers in

01:11:34.700 government yes yeah talks about who actually run they run these things day to day you know the

01:11:38.300 ministers are basically just figureheads i i exactly and that's that that's the exact problem so

01:11:42.060 politics has been reduced to administration again in this country um but the the the great benefit

01:11:47.440 of this is that actually it's really easy to overthrow these people are not personally brave uh

01:11:54.120 they're not they're not actually going to fight for anything they assume that this will never have to

01:11:57.780 be the case because everything is done within this layer of rational discourse um and so if you had

01:12:02.800 someone with a bit of backbone who said no we're just going to abolish you and there's nothing you can do

01:12:07.760 about it yeah sit down and let us abolish you to quote you you you the the the british parliament

01:12:14.640 literally could just abolish every quango overnight yeah nothing constitutional about them um and that

01:12:20.220 would be the end of them and the chips would fall where they may there will be chaos but if you're

01:12:25.960 prepared to brave the chaos and actually take some sort of uh initiative about these things there's

01:12:31.760 nothing actually immediately inevitable about a managerial revolution it's just it's convenient

01:12:36.820 like oh we just want the path of least resistance it's stability it's but actually what if you don't

01:12:42.000 want stability what if stability itself has become oppressive which i think we're finding ourselves in

01:12:46.320 that position this is the point though again like our democracy selects for people who don't want to

01:12:50.980 uh who don't want chaos because chaos is unpopular of course that would mean that they lose their job

01:12:54.680 and that that of course is uh demographically linked so the straight white men once again who who

01:13:00.340 actually do well out of chaos yes are like well we we don't get anywhere in the system so no you don't

01:13:04.580 so the question is as well how how do you get the public on side with such a thing because it's so

01:13:10.520 because we could sit here and say hardship and chaos yeah exactly yeah how do you get

01:13:15.060 sounds like fun though right come on make your fortune i need 500 brave men

01:13:20.880 so how does how does a government that has a managerial state get the public on side with such

01:13:27.260 a thing and i think a lot of people just don't actually know about this particular theory as much as

01:13:32.520 if you're in the know of politics you might have heard of elite theory and you might have looked

01:13:36.560 into it briefly or touched the surface of it and you might think oh not might be too conspiratorial

01:13:42.240 whatever which is silly of course that's just ridiculous but one of the tools and it's a very

01:13:48.000 famous tool that the government will use to try and get the public on side with what they want and

01:13:53.440 their demands is this one and that is the behavioral insights uh team or the nudge units yes very very

01:14:02.100 famous don't look back in angular no of course not no um so for those who don't know about the

01:14:08.160 behavioral insights team or nudge units as they're called um they're a particular organization that

01:14:13.860 was and i'd say still is they say they're not but i would say that they still are uh very embedded

01:14:20.520 with uh government departments apparently they've gone private yeah they've gone private the the the

01:14:25.420 reason is so they can outsource it to a foreign government exactly so they're still going to be

01:14:29.920 deeply embedded with our own government i love that that slogan we uh use deep understanding of human

01:14:34.520 behavior to improve people's lives yeah yeah it's so dystopian dystopian yeah exactly the call to chaos

01:14:41.320 and hardship sounds even more tempting exactly i realized that what i just described is basically

01:14:46.300 cortez's appeal it's like look i'm offering you chaos hardship but we're going to go and

01:14:50.280 overthrow an empire yeah so you know and that's literally like we're the modern cortez's guys so

01:14:55.420 you know get used to it this particular so bit um i'll basically use uh with psychologists to try and

01:15:03.960 wean the public onto particular ideas that either might be quite difficult for people to to do it

01:15:10.900 originally digital idea is a big one it used to be trying to get people to pay taxes a bit earlier

01:15:16.680 so that's they utilized it for that but then the famous one or the infamous one was during covid so

01:15:23.400 they were a lot they were the the catalysts for uh lockdown messaging vaccine messaging you know stay

01:15:30.120 at home you know professional psyopas professional psyopas is what is and one of their techniques is

01:15:36.540 called east which stands for easy attractive social timely east in least resistance yeah

01:15:43.320 popular yeah um which goes into human nature well like we're like i was just touching on at the end

01:15:49.920 there the the average person likes convenience the average person just wants to be kind of left alone

01:15:56.360 and if they're given a device or given some devices if it's easy to use if it's convenient for them

01:16:03.040 they'll bite they'll take it and they don't really care a lot of the it's a it's quite a generational

01:16:08.100 thing now uh but with fast speed internet and with the access to information so easily now

01:16:14.000 this is becoming more difficult over time and post 2020 i would argue it's become so widespread and easy

01:16:22.440 you can now spot a psyop from a mile off but not to go schizo because obviously i was speaking to

01:16:28.700 josh firm actually last night on the phone and we were talking about uh i was telling him about

01:16:33.600 the behavioral insights unit and i was going to use it for for this particular segment and he said

01:16:38.720 well because we've seen him uh doing about psychology he's done a lot of research into this and he was

01:16:44.460 saying he was saying well you have to be careful because you know this the schizo meme of people

01:16:50.880 pointing to lots of things and trying to create uh dots and then fusion pattern coherent pattern

01:16:56.940 into absolutely everything is a form of like schizophrenia so you've got to be careful but

01:17:02.640 um this is real this is very real and it's a tool that the elites i guess we're going to call them that

01:17:09.600 or the establishment uh will use to try and wean people onto ideas that would initially seem uh very

01:17:18.200 difficult um as well uh and of course i go through uh the behavior insights team and how during covid

01:17:25.420 these units helped design fear-based and norm-based messaging um playing a central role in lockdown

01:17:32.440 compliance and it proved that units like these can shape behavior en masse without laws and so if you

01:17:39.400 have a tool like that um that the elites can use or these managerial uh the managerial class or ruling

01:17:46.840 class whatever you want to call them can use to circumvent law you bet that they're going to use it in

01:17:52.440 absolutely everything exactly uh especially within media earlier this year i obtained an internal

01:18:00.760 government document that revealed a coordinated effort by uk the uk governments to influence the content

01:18:07.720 of television programming i did a segment on this and with the lotus seat as well um earlier this year

01:18:13.880 when this came out where it showed documents where it showed the collaboration between the department

01:18:20.240 for culture media and sport and broadcasters so the head of broadcasters for itv channel 4 the bbc

01:18:26.980 where they discussed using uh actual shows like emmerdale eastenders the lot to to embed their

01:18:35.680 messaging within soap operas think think of that one of the um the right-wing radical who's going around

01:18:42.640 propagandizing them beating up immigrant kids that's it like that you can see that is clearly part of the

01:18:48.500 nudge behavior exactly in action and it shows how we talk about the blurred lines between state

01:18:56.200 media and different departments and you can see that blurred lines happening but also you can actually

01:19:02.760 find the internal documents that showcases that so it's not conspiratorial in a sense that it's not

01:19:08.760 theorized it's reality it's the system it's the system conspiracy is naturally clandestine

01:19:15.040 exactly actually clandestine it's just you don't go looking for it exactly people don't want to

01:19:19.420 believe it either people don't want to believe that they are this insidious

01:19:22.400 yeah exactly that's every incentive to be so exactly and that's why sometimes it's hard for people

01:19:28.320 to believe it but then when you showcase the documents when you showcase these sorts of things

01:19:33.460 to the public they then start to actually understand oh actually yes i can see the inner

01:19:39.560 mechanisms of how this all works and how neatly tight this is um i call this next part the the foreign

01:19:47.720 unelected trifecta and that's bill gates obviously um larry fink from black rock uh and larry ellison

01:19:57.140 from oracle um these he is yeah yeah born 1944 um so these three guys gates representing i

01:20:09.420 call them the trifecta because these three unelected uh bureau foreign bureaucrats or technocrats

01:20:15.500 um operate within different or distinct spheres to influence modern governments and um policy

01:20:24.680 ecosystems within different governance across europe america wherever gates through global health

01:20:31.220 initiatives food systems and population focused programs as we talked about earlier um think

01:20:38.620 uh through asset management blackrock being the most the biggest asset management firm 11 trillion

01:20:45.160 something like that management sir it's absurd amounts um along with infrastructure investment

01:20:51.300 ai and corporate governance norms esg environmental social governance and think through data infrastructure

01:20:59.560 cloud systems surveillance technologies and behavioral compliance tools so i ellison ellison sorry

01:21:06.780 um these are the i would call yeah the the foreign unelected trifecta that we seem to see these guys

01:21:14.400 meeting with uk ministers whether it be conservative whether it be labor it doesn't matter and also

01:21:20.820 there's always this atmosphere of as if the emissary of the king of kings of persia has arrived in a

01:21:28.060 in a province of the empire right exactly like when like uh kirstama sits down he's like brilliant we've got

01:21:33.400 what was it larry think the boss is here yeah exactly oh good the the viceroy has arrived to tell us

01:21:38.300 what the emperor thinks you know and how and and he's like yes we're doing so great for your province

01:21:42.420 where we're we're making business blah blah blah blah and it feels imperial yes you know so

01:21:47.560 it's it's a big system yeah and you ain't in it yeah yeah it's a big club you know yeah that's true

01:21:55.520 yeah and when i opened this segment i said you know this was inspired by a particular response

01:22:00.440 and here was the response that i got the other day this took me a year a whole year to try and

01:22:06.220 obtain this particular document and we'll go through it in a bit but it says um obviously i've been

01:22:10.980 patiently pursuing this disclosure and just over one year after the meeting the cabinet office has

01:22:15.520 finally disclosed partial information about the agenda discussed between uk ministers kirstama

01:22:20.900 rachel reeves and the blackrock board at a meeting held in november 2024 uh this the disclosed document

01:22:28.560 confirms that obviously a meeting did happen um blackrock described itself during the meeting as the

01:22:34.940 largest investor in the uk um the discussion covered uk economic policy and investment priorities

01:22:41.300 including growth and long-term stability planning reform and regulatory alignment infrastructure

01:22:47.800 investment ai productivity and innovation uh additional agenda areas included energy and

01:22:55.280 renewables pensions and capital mobilization yeah there there they are again indeed um the prime

01:23:02.300 minister stated that the uk was back in business um and open to global investment this is the other

01:23:09.700 thing by the way is you know obviously in my segment i spoke about the economic system we have in this

01:23:13.420 country yeah but it is it's an international system that the uk is ensconced within it's in any i mean

01:23:19.340 any attempt to extract ourselves from that is is not going to happen because these people aren't going to

01:23:24.400 let it happen exactly when you look at the document i mean i i don't know if we can zoom into that i don't

01:23:29.840 think i can do that from here um but it's interesting some of the language uh being used as well i mean this

01:23:36.320 is the official document i just highlighted a few bits uh to you know coincide with what it was i was

01:23:41.840 talking about and if we just scroll down to the bottom uh around there so there's some stuff that

01:23:48.760 has been blurred out and i don't know what what that is i think it's particular ministers or it's

01:23:53.660 particular representatives um but a lot of it is still partial so i'm still trying to pursue this

01:23:59.200 um but it says the third element was resetting the narrative internationally that britain was back

01:24:04.500 in business uh the world was more volatile uh which had uh repercussions for business

01:24:10.120 and government alike however there are opportunities areas where the pm wanted the uk to win the race the

01:24:16.460 pm mentioned his recent engagements at the g20 with president xi which set a serious pragmatic tone

01:24:23.400 and with prime minister modi that's india i believe uh where there was a shared ambition to seize trade

01:24:29.500 opportunities the pm asked for the group's reflection on how the uk uh best position itself a lot of it is

01:24:36.560 quite boring if i'm totally honest you can see why they're bothered about russia so much exactly

01:24:41.440 because russia isn't playing this game russia's playing the old game of hard power yeah and like

01:24:47.120 you know china india britain america they'll all sit down and go right okay well let's draw up a

01:24:52.340 contract let's let's draw up arrangements and putin's like no i'm sending in troops now what exactly

01:24:58.040 yes and there's more here that says you can go and find this obviously on my twitter as well

01:25:03.480 uh the uk would need to accelerate access to top talent to match investment um talking about

01:25:09.680 construction and labor uh he was immigration then immigration essentially uh the pm reiterated his

01:25:15.800 ambition to reduce energy prices uh he also mentioned reforms to uh to produce energy near a demand which

01:25:21.960 could be especially relevant to for example data center infrastructure well this is the problem with net

01:25:26.980 zero is you know britain's not going to be the hub for ai development all the while energy is the

01:25:31.860 most expensive in europe exactly so this what this shows in my viewpoint um which i think it's not

01:25:40.400 really a viewpoint anymore to be honest it shows the inner workings of the managerial class system

01:25:46.020 how it operates and the fact that unelected foreign bureaucrats can literally just swan in

01:25:52.300 fly in on their private jets from wherever and just create off-the-shelf policies to say

01:25:58.140 hey uh i've i've got a load of money i've we can do some investment we can do a deal um government now

01:26:05.400 works as as managers as opposed to actual people representing constituencies and the people of

01:26:12.580 britain quite frankly proletariat the proletariat if you will you could use that yeah um swan in and

01:26:19.540 just say we're taking over now this is this is the way that we're going to govern things and the

01:26:24.820 ministers sit back and say yeah okay that sounds great it's not even that we're taking over it's

01:26:30.200 we'll give you the opportunity to allow us to take over and kirsten was like brilliant thank god i'll

01:26:35.800 bite your hand off for that one yeah yeah exactly think of all the dinner parties you'll get invited

01:26:39.740 to and all the money you'll make yeah yeah but but but not just that just to be like again the security

01:26:44.820 of the permanence of a global integrated administrative system that larry fink or whoever else is going to

01:26:50.960 come along and say don't worry we've got this covered you just do what we tell you exactly

01:26:54.320 they're like brilliant thank god i don't have to govern uh right anyway uh we'll have to skip the

01:27:00.100 video do we have video comments today no all right okay uh right so talking about the uh the first

01:27:07.940 segment kevin says i don't get why they call it diversity equality and inclusion well they don't call

01:27:14.000 it diversity equality inclusion they call it equity uh and equity really means fairness um but

01:27:20.380 i think you can go to the frank herbert quote which is uh you know when i am weaker than you

01:27:25.300 i ask for your freedom because it's according to your principles but when i'm stronger than you i

01:27:28.640 take my way because it's according to my principles the only reason they care about equality or any of

01:27:32.500 the other nice words they use is because they think you care about them yeah you're never going to be

01:27:37.860 able to appeal on grounds of equity as a straight white man to them they're never going to listen

01:27:42.680 because they don't believe in it so uh that's the reason russian says multiple generations of men

01:27:48.080 who failed to launch after university couldn't get a career impressive women get married and have

01:27:51.380 kids because they were systematically locked out of the market heads must roll um basically yeah i

01:27:57.140 mean this is if you've got an administrative system that despises instability and uh kinetic action

01:28:09.540 chaos uh the last thing you want to do is disenfranchise millions of people who thrive in such an

01:28:15.020 environment yeah you want to make it so they're totally dependent on you rather than locked

01:28:19.840 outside yeah basically that demographic that built all of the world's most aggressive and successful

01:28:24.640 empires yeah you know we don't need those guys yeah jimbo says uh it would be one thing i'll be

01:28:31.000 still wrong if they were trying to organize society uh so that all of our institutions reflected the

01:28:35.400 actual demographics of the country however diversity officers see minorities as pokemon to be collected

01:28:39.900 every boardroom will need asexual representation it's it more than that as well it was it was

01:28:44.680 malicious it was malevolent it was we hate white men and therefore uh we're going to hurt them and

01:28:51.120 it's like okay well i'm sure there'll be no visible consequences of doing that uh brian says uh if it

01:28:57.860 wasn't for huge housing food costs made worse by free movement and foreign low-wage slaves i suggest that

01:29:02.460 all white workers strike for a week uh yeah that's not going to happen unfortunately um

01:29:06.540 uh grant says i did the exact same thing with tenure track academic positions there is no choice

01:29:13.600 but to be petersonian about it the only thing you can do is the best you can but don't ignore the

01:29:17.400 systemic issues um well totally true i mean obviously you work on yourself and do what you can

01:29:23.760 as you can uh but you've got to remember that um the system is genuinely stacked against you

01:29:29.500 hector says it is because everything is becoming more expensive and out of reach but you know it

01:29:34.380 isn't a low seat subscription for just five pound a month you get access to more premium content you

01:29:39.160 can fit under christmas you that is true how much they're paying you uh yeah well he's paying us

01:29:43.900 actually but thank you and if you do want to support us of course come over and subscribe um

01:29:49.080 sophie says uh i don't think we need such a big i don't even think we need such a big workforce

01:29:53.940 uh over half of jobs seem to be absolutely useless producing nothing they're essentially day

01:29:58.220 care for unserious people mostly women uh if you got rid of those jobs and pay the remaining jobs

01:30:02.920 actually produce a higher wage uh well i mean the thing is about all of those women

01:30:07.340 should be at home raising children well this was something i i was planning on mentioning this in

01:30:12.180 my segment but i didn't in the end um it's the fact that the you know if you want to go full

01:30:16.580 marxist about it first the capitalists came for the women and sold them you know the narrative

01:30:21.300 of liberation and feminism and what they were actually doing was just expanding doubling the size

01:30:25.340 of the working pool thereby suppressing wages and increasing the number of kind of you know

01:30:30.700 serfs on the corporate plantation and then when the women started to run out and that to your point

01:30:35.160 is is also i think part of the reason for abortion birth control etc because it makes them loyal

01:30:39.760 workers for a longer period women who have children don't join the workforce yeah and then when they

01:30:43.940 do eventually leave they are too old to have children which is a very sad thing uh and so first

01:30:48.880 the capitalists came for the women and then the capitalists came when that dried up the capitalists

01:30:52.960 started coming and poaching people from other countries to you know to work on their uh but also what

01:30:58.140 what this is is a dark fusion of the capitalists and the marxists as well because all the marxists

01:31:02.180 were like right okay we need to destroy the family we need to destroy you know the dignity of men as

01:31:07.140 the head of the household we need to make sure the women aren't having children because we view it

01:31:11.900 ideologically as liberation yeah okay well this is this is the great irony it's like what what you're

01:31:17.040 doing for them there you're saying okay well you have one place to go now and that's into the

01:31:20.940 workforce to be a capitalist serf yeah and this this is the great irony is that the marxists acted as

01:31:26.160 you know the wet nurses for this yeah this system you know they absolutely serve the

01:31:30.640 which is why they all support it i mean zach polanski basically is telling the government

01:31:34.060 do more of what he's the true face of neoliberalism that's who zach polanski is exactly yeah exactly

01:31:39.080 he's pushing at an open door just demanding that kirsten actually do the full scope of the ideology

01:31:43.480 yeah and kirsten was like yeah but if i do that i'll ruin it i saw he overtook corbyn in terms of

01:31:47.780 favorability yesterday which is really sad because it's like you know who is polanski really polanski is you

01:31:52.520 know he's like a pro war in ukraine pro nato pro woke basically pro neoliberalism but like

01:31:58.420 maximalist yeah yeah he's a maximalist yeah yeah um anyway alistair says uh honestly sick and tired

01:32:04.300 of talking about pensioners and single moms the pensioners lived through the best economic time

01:32:08.080 in human history if they'd saved invested any money in anything they'd be millionaires but yeah

01:32:11.980 but the thing is they are like what they should be doing is selling their houses taking the million

01:32:17.600 pounds that they've banked from sitting in the same house for 30 years and enjoying the rest of

01:32:23.380 their lives with that money we shouldn't be paying people who are sat on huge assets anything frankly

01:32:28.020 yeah i've i've come to be quite radical against the pension system now i mean there are lots of

01:32:32.480 pensioners who aren't millionaires so okay fair enough but like just the idea if you think about

01:32:37.140 it is demented it's like we're going to divorce people from the natural continuum of the great chain of

01:32:43.740 being yes by suggesting that actually they don't have to worry about having children and they don't

01:32:49.840 have to like cash in their assets to be able to live comfortably in their later years they they will

01:32:56.440 just get paid parasitic vampirically from the labor of the youth yeah until they die it's like wow and

01:33:02.800 this is the point is you know the moral paradigm that was born with the boomers and i'm not saying

01:33:06.160 hashtag not all boomers but it is a moral paradigm it's like it's a quasi religion of the self like

01:33:11.660 the self is their moral center of gravity liberty liberation from the great chain of being that was

01:33:16.180 all over truth that's what i'm getting at when i say they view marriage they view the household the

01:33:19.620 nation itself in even as oppressive and you know chains to be broken out of and at worst they view

01:33:27.360 sorry at best they view them as optional right yes then these no these should just be optional no

01:33:32.260 live your life first and then get exactly it's not optional that you get married have children and

01:33:37.160 you know work hard and invest in yourself and your family rather than investing in the state

01:33:42.840 like that shouldn't be optional actually yeah and and you're creating a really deformed society at the

01:33:48.720 end of it yeah but unfortunately we're over time there so we've got to stop so uh champs where can

01:33:52.680 people find more of you uh well restore britain of course we both work there uh 20 pounds a year for

01:33:56.960 membership if you want to be part of the one of the fastest growing uh political organizations in this

01:34:01.180 country that is exerting real pressure on the government and actually getting wins i mean the rape

01:34:05.200 gang inquiry is the most recent one we've got our hearings in february uh and we seriously suspect

01:34:09.300 that the government's recent uh actions on that uh on their own inquiry are largely because of the

01:34:14.480 pressure we're putting on them because they all voted against it yeah yeah let me tell you i mean

01:34:19.060 we're um gathering evidence uh and putting together this report right now which is going to be published

01:34:23.760 after those hearings and some of the testimonies that we've got in there are i mean they're beyond words

01:34:29.220 basically um so yeah and most of myself cf downs online uh yeah so obviously restore britain uh of

01:34:36.780 course like you said both work there uh we set up the investigations and whistleblowing unit earlier

01:34:41.980 in the year and it's been a great success lots of people coming forward with concerns from all over

01:34:47.340 within government and outside of government we've been pursuing so much it's it's been very very eye

01:34:52.800 opening so please if you are if you want to blow the whistle i mean it's up to you it's down to your

01:34:58.100 it's your discretion and what you decide to do but the door is always open at restore so you can find

01:35:04.320 our whistleblowers pack on our website and of course if you want to reach out to me on x as well

01:35:09.360 you can find me uh lewis brackpool or lewis underscore brackpool on x right thanks for joining us folks we'll see you tomorrow

The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - December 17, 2025

The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1319

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