The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1322
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Summary
In celebration of the festive season, Bo and Lucy White are joined by Bo's first ever guest Lucy White to discuss racism and the concept of 'respect for ancestors' in the 21st century. Plus, a review of the year in politics and a look at what a moron like Sonny Bunch has to say.
Transcript
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Hello there and welcome to the podcast of Lotuses, episode 1322.
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On Monday the 22nd of December 2025, we are only, only a few sleeps until Christmas now,
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so I hope you've all got your presents under the tree, I hope you've got your stockings out,
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and I hope you don't forget on Christmas Eve to leave out a mince pie and some carrots and a cup of warm milk
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for Santa and his reindeers, folks, because it's that jolly festive time of the year,
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and in celebration, I'm joined by Bo and our first ever appearance of Lucy White.
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Notorious for racism, and Bo is going to be confronting her on such a...
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That's a joke, that's a joke, don't worry, today we're going to be talking...
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Yeah, yeah, Bo's going to be interrogating her, saying you need to get more extreme,
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you need to start really throwing out the zingers, that's what Bo does.
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No, we're going to be talking about respect for ancestors and the attempts to distort people's views
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and understanding and connection to their ancestors.
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Bo's going to be telling us about how we don't actually need a position on foreign conflicts.
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It's a bit more nuanced than that, but sure, we'll go with that.
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Close enough, and we're also going to be having a general discussion about Parliament
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and the sorts of people who should be in Parliament, which I'm looking forward to.
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But before we get into that, I have been asked to tell everybody that there is a 3pm live stream
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RealPolitik with Firaz, where he's going to be doing a review of the year.
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Anyway, before I get into the news as well, hello Lucy.
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I'm doing alright, thank you. I didn't mean to accuse you of racism.
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It's only a joke, we jest a lot in the office, don't we? So it's fine.
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Hello. Happy Christmas. Merry Christmas in a few days.
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So hopefully we'll be giving you a good show, good Christmas present here, getting to be in our presence.
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Anyway, alright, let's get into the news then, shall we?
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I'm sorry folks, I'm drinking a white monster, I'm very tired.
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Okay, so let's talk about ancestry and the attempts of many people, many liberal types,
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to try to distort people's grip, connection to their own ancestry,
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and also distort who your ancestors were, what they believed in,
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and why they would want to do something like that.
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Because it's a very common motif, I see, a talking point that is exemplified by this recent post
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that I've seen going about from some nobody called Sonny Bunch.
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If you want to know what he's from, he does writing for things like the Washington Post and other outlets.
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But for Washington Post and other outlets, it seems that he's not done much writing for them since early 2023,
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so almost three years removed, and it's all on movies, very lightweight cultural critique of movies.
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So I wasn't familiar with this guy, but this was going around of him saying,
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I am generally of the opinion that caring about what ancestors who died before you were born did
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is complete loser-ess, and nothing I've seen the last few years has really changed that.
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So that's a pretty big statement to start off with.
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What kind of subversive moron would say and think such a thing, let alone type it out?
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Well, somebody who is being overtly subversive, I would say,
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and I do have a few points against it to refute it that I'm going to highlight in a moment.
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But first, let's see his own attempt to respond to people's responses, basic responses,
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what I would argue are straw man responses that he received.
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There were three basic responses to this tweet.
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I thought it was fairly obvious in the context of the whole blood and soil heritage American discourse from the other day.
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And then he goes on to reaffirm that you are actually allowed to be interested in the things that your ancestors did.
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Like he uses the example of your ancestors being in the Boston Massacre, for instance,
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as though we need this guy or anybody else's affirmation to appreciate what our ancestors did and hold a connection to them
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while he's trying to completely tear you away from that connection.
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And also, like you say, kind of shit all over your appreciation of them and what they did.
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Because in my estimation, if your ancestors were at something like the Boston Massacre,
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or if they came over on the Mayflower, for instance, if you're American,
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or if you're English, just being English in England,
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as in you have Britonic ancestry along with, you know, Anglo-Saxon ancestry,
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that does give you a certain right, that gives you a connection and a legitimate claim to the land
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and the nation and its culture, far more than somebody who just got off the boat yesterday.
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It would be really cool to have an ancestor that was wearing a red coat at the Boston Massacre.
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Very specific side that you've chosen there, though.
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I would have loved to have had an ancestor in 1812 holding the torches, lighting the torches.
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Yeah, thanks, Sonny Bunch, for allowing it to have ancestors.
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this is a weird thing from a lot of these kind of nobody cultural critics,
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where they feel like they have the right to say,
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no, you need my approval to believe in X or Y thing.
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No, I don't, and the arguments that you're presenting are complete rubbish.
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Well, it's a, broadly, it's a leftist thing, isn't it?
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It's a communist thing, like, um, that you have to start history afresh.
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You know, from Mao to Pol Pot, you actually have to declare war on history and your ancestors,
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because there's something fundamentally wrong with it, right?
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The idea that if you wanted to turn the clock back in any sense, you're just an idiot and wrongheaded.
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It's a war with conservatism at its essence, with a small c.
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It's all part of the whole progressive arc of history, that things, time moving forwards
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just means that automatically, alongside that, things get automatically better.
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And so, if you think maybe things were better in the past, it's because you're irrational,
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illogical, emotional, unscientific, you don't appreciate the benefits that modernity has
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Again, the communist thing, that there'll be a new man.
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You still get, like, pinkos, commies, whatever, socialists like this, subversives.
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And, I mean, here is the whole thing kind of summed up in his response to, again, the
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It's not even really that much of a straw man, to be honest, because the argument that's
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being presented is fair, where he says response to, well, I bet you wouldn't say that to the
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Is this the sort of thing that Jews and black people and plenty of other ethnicities get
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asked to do, often, to reject their entire history, to condemn everything that came before
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Or is it just something that tends to happen to white European people that you need to
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Well, his response to that is just, that's loser shit and kind of, sort of gives the game
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But, yeah, I mean, our ancestors and, you know, grandparents didn't fight and die in World
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So, you know, our ancestors would be furious at the way our country is right now.
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So there is something to be said about our ancestors.
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Of course, the present is a product of the past, right?
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Just as a small child is a reflection of their parents, so we are a reflection of our ancestors.
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And so to wipe that away, try and do away with that wholesale, is an insanity.
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It always ends in, you know, some sort of Maoist, Pol Pot-esque nightmare every time.
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Yeah, and then his last response to these straw man arguments is the oddest from a handful
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Well, then, I guess you don't care about history at all.
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At which point he just, like, again, another non-answer.
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But the thing is, if history is about the actions of people and what people did, as history
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actually is, then if you don't care about the people, your own ancestors or other people's
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ancestors and what they did in history, then you kind of don't care about history unless
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you do, like, kind of in a Marxist way, see history as just all of these vague abstract
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forces, kind of wishy-washy moving about in unpredictable fashion.
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Especially if you're in America, like this guy is, well, actually, what the people at
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So it's very strange, but this is quite a common kind of attitude that I see bandied about.
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Like, Beau says it's the whole, like, new man, you've got to restart history.
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But the question is, why would somebody want to promote this behaviour?
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And so I've got a few responses that I've written down here to this kind of, you shouldn't
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care about your ancestors' argument that's always stated these days, and it's kind of
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So first of all, just understanding your past keeps you rooted in your culture and ties you
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to a greater chain of being and obligations that you have both to your ancestors and to
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If you recognise that you come from a place and a people that have developed in a very
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particular way, that makes you the heir to a legacy.
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And that means that you have an obligation as well to pass that legacy onto your own children
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The further your children, your grandchildren, your great-grandchildren.
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This is kind of one of the reasons that people have decided that they really hate the
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boomers these days is because they are seen to have completely ignored that obligation.
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So for your own posterity, you might want to care about the world that came before you
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so that you can better care about the now and make it better for the future again.
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That each generation stands on the shoulders of the last.
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It's a civilisational global experiment for people of European descent.
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And within a couple of generations, it has been completely disastrous.
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So there's the other reasons as well, which is, I mean, first and foremost, your ancestors
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If they didn't exist, if they didn't have children who then ended up having more children,
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who then ended up having you, you wouldn't be here.
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Like this, there's kind of attached to the broader argument that I see people have where
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it's like, oh, there was only a 1% chance of you being born in England or something like
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that, where it's acting as though your soul was just kind of in a big pot of souls that
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just gets randomly chucked out into the world and allocated to a random baby instead of you
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being like the product of your parents deciding to have children.
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That's a really weird one that I don't like that I see people throw about because it is
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a deceptive way of trying to get you to see things in this alienating, isolating fashion.
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You could have been born a Nigerian or a scorpion or something and you're just lucky that you're
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Actually, Beau, I couldn't have because neither of my parents are Nigerian.
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As far as I'm aware, I've not checked the back of their heads for little zips where
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And I'm not going to check because I like things how they are right now.
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But there's another aspect to this, which is this, if you are taking pride in the achievements
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of your ancestors, then you're living off of their stolen valour.
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You don't need to do anything in your own life if you have this perspective because
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you're just taking pride for things that you didn't do.
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I disagree with that one completely because if your ancestors did great things, you actually
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If you come from a line of losers who just accidentally ended up having you through pure
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luck and chance, well then, that's still good too because that is the lineage you come
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But you can then challenge yourself to be better than they were and to do greater things
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So it's all about holding yourself to standards.
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And then there's the broader societal aspects of all of this, which is that, again, this
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seems to only be something that white people are asked to do these days outside of a situation
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Because other people are very, very tied into their culture and history.
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And it gives them a greater collective strength.
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You can consider groups like Africans and the Jews and American Indians and lots of other people.
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And whites are the only ones encouraged to abandon their history, mainly for the benefit of these
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other groups so that we can feel comfortable giving them our legacy and giving them our stuff.
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And with that, these historical grievances that these people play to don't go away.
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So we're simultaneously asked to hate or ignore our ancestors while these people stand on their graves,
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demanding our stuff for what our ancestors supposedly did to theirs.
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That seems like a bit of a weird double standard.
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And then also, of course, like, everybody seems very interested.
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Everybody else is allowed to be very interested in our ancestors as well.
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And again, it's really because Boomer Orwell, quote, I know, but it's very prescient.
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And he who controls the present controls the future.
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Anyway, one of the main themes in that, one of the jobs that Winston,
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the main, Winston's job in it is to rewrite the past.
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That's his job, is that the party has decided that something is haram,
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And he has to go back and either just destroy or rewrite every single article,
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every single book that says the thing that's now wrong think.
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But it's based on where, you know, where Stalin really did want to do that.
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There'll be someone in the NKVD or something which themselves got purged.
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You have to go back and expunge them from history.
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I mean, there's all those famous photos of Stalin with his advisers where
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each different variation of the photo, less and less of them are in it.
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Not only are they dead now, but they never existed.
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So, it's not really a new concept what these people are aiming at,
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It's not only destroy any pride or any privilege you might have
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or anything from your history and from your ancestors,
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Not that you were wrong-headed to, but it never existed.
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Well, it's like with the British Nationality Act of 1981.
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It's sort of, you know, if anyone can become British,
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then what it means to be British means nothing.
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So, that's ruining our ancestors, our relationship with our ancestors
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by saying, you know, the three of us here are British,
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but then someone off the boat can then eventually get a passport
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Well, it was like with Rishi Sunak saying that he was English
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and everybody trying to tell us that he was English.
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It's very weird that there would be a kind of skittishness around that fact
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because he's obviously Indian, he looks Indian, he's Indian parents,
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he celebrates Indian customs like when he celebrated Diwali at Downing Street,
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and it was simply a form of gaslighting for the mass British populace
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to tell us that this tiny, nerdy Indian man was in some way related to our ancestors.
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Because that's what it was basically saying is like,
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if Englishness, as I believe, as is factually true,
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is related to your ancestry, if it goes back to Hengist and Horsa,
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what he's basically saying is that he's also got a claim on that legacy
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and that he's also got a relation to that in any way that doesn't start
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before the empire and the Raj and his family's involvement in that.
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He can say, you know, his family was involved in that,
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then he's saying that his ancestors came over to India
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Saying that that's his ancestors were the ones that did that.
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It's also like David Lammy, who one minute he's British
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and then he's Caribbean and he calls for reparations.
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why would a British person call for reparations for their own people?
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I mean, that's always one of the biggest questions.
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What a strange sort of endless identity crisis it must be.
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And then making an argument in another tweet saying that she is.
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to try and win an argument at any given moment.
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when it's just completely dishonest bad faith, though, isn't it?
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if we're not allowed to care about these things,
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then why should it be of any concern whatsoever
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or initially said to have had dark skin, for instance?
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changes the way that we think about our ancestors.
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Why should that matter if I'm completely disconnected from them?
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Only if I'm being proud of the sorts of achievements that they did,
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of massive progressive leaps in philosophical thought,
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and find that this guy may have had a darker skin tone,
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you have to now open your floodgates to the third world.
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was all based around bunk science in the first place
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obviously even just from what's available of this,
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one of the geneticists who performed the research
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said that the results were less than conclusive
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So I don't know if there's been anything new done
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And this is an ancestor of the British people right now.
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She was supposedly dated to somewhere between 100 and 300 AD.
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It's probably the 2nd century AD, the Roman period.
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So, Roman period, going back less than 2,000 years.
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She lived in East Sussex 2nd to 3rd century AD.
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It's been taken down because it's utter nonsense.
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It was in 2016, a series called Black and British,
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which I assume he's going to have to go back and rewrite now.
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And similarly, BBC are presumably going to have to go back
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They suggested that the Roman skeleton of a woman
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found at Beachy Head was from sub-Saharan Africa.
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Like, might be explainable with the Roman Empire.
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that you might get someone from as far afield as Syria,
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in the British Isles in the 2nd or 3rd century AD.
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But just to say that this woman looked like that,
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That was the whole reason to put this claim forward.
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That was the whole reason for warping the history,
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people took from yours is they were trying they
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like well yes there might be individuals who are
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i think the reason why your tweet hit a nerve is
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because it goes right to the heart of the matter
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it goes right to the heart of the multicultural
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straight to the heart of that is that regardless
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oh it's a stupid idea to be ruled by foreigners
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but really it's just common sense you don't need
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china or whatever do you want the the patriarch of
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the next family over in your next door neighbor
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country it's a classic thing machiavellous said
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don't uh like outsource your fighting to foreign
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won't obviously he won't have your interests at
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sense 101 really isn't it again on like a on like a
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smaller level you can extrapolate it out to other
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things using real life data which is like one of the
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dark things is the level of child abuse that goes
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stepfathers are far far more likely to abuse the
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children of the families that they've married into if
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they're not their direct children because there is a
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there is a connection there of like well you're not
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really mine like and if that happens on such a small
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scale why shouldn't you expect that if you get an
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outsider to govern your country that there wouldn't
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be a similar abuse of the system well just very directly
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in parliament you know for example what springs to mind was
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when there was a debate a few weeks back or a few months
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back about cousin marriage you just get the muslim
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independence just arguing for cousin marriage in the
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chamber in the house of commons like what is that what is
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going on there what a crazy crazy nonsense well the other
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one was um i'm just trying to find a tweet actually but um
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there were two ladies labor mps one from ghana one from
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nigeria and they were both arguing about jollof rice in the
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house of commons jollof rice is a spicy rice where the
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ghanaans and the nigerians each have jollof rice and they
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say well mine is better than yours so it's like a kind of
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rival it's almost tribal between the ghanaans and
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nigerians but the fact is they are elected in the uk house of
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commons you don't even know what jollof rice is i
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shouldn't have to know i was gonna say i was gonna say i don't
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know what that is because it's totally irrelevant yeah
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okay why on earth do we have two mps in the uk house of
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commons arguing about jollof rice in the chamber
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like makes zero sense and here we go so i've got the quote so
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obviously i believe he's pakistani um he said he preaches well he said um
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an estimated 35 to 50 percent of all sub-saharan african populations prefer
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cousin marriage and it is extremely common in the middle east and south asia
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so obviously why are you talking about sub-saharan africa the middle east and
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south asia in the uk you're you're supposed to be a british
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mp yeah i know i mean what an absurd thing it was kind of a sickening thing
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to a negative i mean we stopped all of the whole
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current cousin marriage stuff ages ago with like papal degrees
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going back a papal bull yeah yeah going going back like centuries if not over a
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thousand years like we just yeah we don't do that
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we don't do that i think it's mentioned in bead in the venerable bead yeah we've
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not done that for a long time like the 600th or 7th century 632 something i'm
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sorry iqbal muhammad is an indian muslim it says here but um still an
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independent mp yeah and there's lots of um other independent mps from pakistan
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you know advocating for gaza that were just elected on gaza so we've lost that
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sense of well it just proves the point of why do we have essentially foreigners
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in the uk parliament again because we just don't have a strict we didn't have a strict
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enough law in place to prevent it if you go to lots of other countries in the world
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there will be a law on their statute books i can read it so it's the act of settlement
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of 1700 where it says that foreigners so anyone that was foreign born without english
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parents were not eligible from holding high office or sitting in parliament and that's
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only changed with i was gonna say was that repealed at some point then yes um so you'll never guess
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when so you have the british nationality acts of 1948 and 1981 um essentially 1981 was when uh
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thatcher isn't it 1991 well it would be sorry go ahead sorry no it's fine but basically it's um
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we we had this all in place in the 1700s so for anyone that would say oh lucy white's tweet was
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racist it's not it's actually if you go back and look at our legislation it was written in our
01:13:05.480
constitution it's actually trad and it's just been erased um so from you know 1948 1981 british
01:13:13.540
nationality acts we have to repeal those and once we go back that's how we restore our uh parliament
01:13:20.320
being what we would call british but nowadays i feel i have to say i'm english because if anyone can
01:13:26.140
be british it means nothing again this ties into some of the stuff that i was saying which is that
01:13:30.800
all of this stuff all of these attitudes were implemented five minutes ago on the timeline of
01:13:36.580
how long england and the english has been around like that's five minutes ago and in that time
01:13:42.840
the country has gone to the dogs and everything has got worse and we've allowed untold abuses and
01:13:50.420
awful things to happen and that's not just been under the um auspices of foreign people in parliament
01:13:57.580
that's also been under our own traitorous elite class but that's why this whole traitorous elite
01:14:02.380
class the natives and the foreigns alike need to be cleared out ultimately because they do not have
01:14:08.480
our best interests in mind they hate us yes even the white liberals i would argue are actually more
01:14:13.180
dangerous because they're the ones that hold the door open for mass migration so obviously we need
01:14:20.300
to reverse migration through re-migration but equally those that are the traitors you have to ask
01:14:26.420
why are you doing this why are you deliberately trying to destroy our country and part of that is
01:14:33.500
from what we said before where if you don't respect your history or your ancestors or you're ashamed of
01:14:39.420
it's essentially suicidal empathy yeah or it's suicidal empathy where they think we were a bad force in
01:14:46.100
the world and therefore we must destroy ourselves so it never happens again empire evil because india's
01:14:51.520
share of global gdp went down that's that's the argument isn't it for the whole 45 trillion thing
01:14:57.820
is it's like well when they invaded invaded we were this much of the global gdp but by the time they were
01:15:04.620
done we were only this much of the global gdp and it's like yeah your economy still grew there was like
01:15:10.620
this whole industrial revolution thing going on in the background these people are just stupid but
01:15:15.640
people let those arguments actually convince them because people are stupid sadly well you're right
01:15:21.700
what kind of madness is that i get why somebody like um i don't know like dawn butler or something
01:15:28.760
would want to see us destroyed or clive lewis or something because they're consumed by racial jealousy
01:15:35.480
or hatred or something or other but you get people that are supposed to be british or english someone
01:15:41.340
like tony blair or john mcdonald or someone or jeremy corbyn or stella creta or some people like that
01:15:47.300
what kind of mania are they suffering from they're seeing what's happening to the country what's
01:15:54.100
happened over the last decade or two like the the cliff that we're accelerating towards and still
01:16:00.920
going for it still making those arguments what kind of madness is that with with blair and his
01:16:06.840
types i think people forget because he's done such a good job of painting himself kind of as like this
01:16:12.400
um this middleman moderate over the past few years he's a sensible voice in the room people forget that
01:16:18.440
back in like the 1970s him and jack straw and those types they were student radicals yeah yeah trotsky
01:16:23.900
yeah they were trotskyites and people forget that because in the 90s when new labor came in they
01:16:29.100
presented themselves as oh we're the sensible alternative to rubbish tory rule we're going to
01:16:34.260
make a communist yeah yeah tony blair was once on desert island desert island discs on the radio
01:16:40.740
one of the books he chose was a biography of trotsky
01:16:43.840
i mean tells you everything you need i mean he was an interesting fellow but i can think of better
01:16:52.160
books you want to read that over and over again on a desert island for the rest of your life i don't
01:16:55.600
know so anyway you've got some more links no i'm i'm just sort of thinking about tony blair i mean
01:17:00.480
he implemented the um sorry how unfortunate the human rights act of 1998 in the echr was enshrined
01:17:07.600
into british law so if you look at all the problems with mass migration especially illegal today
01:17:12.880
it all dates back to that um yeah i think we've just had government after government that just do
01:17:20.460
not put the british people first you've had the boris wave which was horrendous and and i don't
01:17:26.420
understand why anyone today could still support the conservatives because if you look at the current
01:17:32.560
shadow cabinet kemi badenock has chosen priti patel to be the shadow foreign sec and yet priti patel
01:17:42.680
was the one that you know scrapped all these caps on migration and opened floodgates under the boris
01:17:49.380
wave and so to put her as a shadow foreign sec today it just shows you don't understand the
01:17:53.860
damage of the boris wave to put her on the front bench the only conservatives that i think are
01:17:58.900
credible uh well is your figures like sir john hayes who's been around since the 1990s a true
01:18:05.560
tory and now they've just been uh washed away not that i want to speak about the conservatives i think
01:18:10.640
um the issue is is that there's currently i don't see a current patriotic party we were speaking
01:18:17.380
earlier about reform and this bangladeshi candidate who's not even a british citizen like what on earth
01:18:24.960
how is how is this even allowed how is it possible yeah well i mean you know there's a number of
01:18:30.980
movements aren't there i mean it's possible i mean like advance restore there's things like
01:18:36.800
homeland aren't there or pa or britain first there's a number of english democrats there's a number of
01:18:41.780
small parties and movements aren't there um yeah restore britain i believe is the most um
01:18:48.520
well the most hopeful the most logical the most sensible that actually looks so if you look at
01:18:55.920
restore britain for example they were just discussing this bangladeshi candidate and it's because of the
01:19:00.420
the representation of the people act 1983 which allows anyone from the commonwealth um with legal
01:19:07.120
resident legal residents in the uk to vote and to be eligible to stand and so it's like okay well
01:19:13.800
then the logical response is you go back to this 1983 act and remove it repeal it yeah well for me
01:19:20.800
obviously restore are not a party they're they're a movement they're a kind of functioning almost
01:19:27.640
like an ngo trying to draft up legislation or plans for legislation have people work within them that
01:19:33.500
can do research um my the best hopes because at this point where things stand right now is looking
01:19:40.000
like it's likely to be a reform government after the next general election right the best hopes would be
01:19:47.040
if there could be some kind of it's not going to happen but this is wishful thinking it's christmas
01:19:53.280
i'm allowed right if there was some kind of reconciliation and reform kind of had some internal reforms
01:20:01.180
to how they operate put all of the animosity with rupert lowe to the side and worked to
01:20:07.500
implement some of the plans and draft legislation that restore could put together because that could
01:20:15.140
be the best bet for because we all know that politicians themselves mostly on all of their
01:20:20.740
legislation most of the figures that they get most of what they have done is driven by the work of
01:20:25.420
ngos like they don't write their own legislation for the most part so restore could operate as a
01:20:31.700
genuine right-wing legislative force to provide those those drafts and that work for our guys if they
01:20:39.560
get in that could be the best bet it would take a hell of a mountain to climb to get there i don't
01:20:47.400
think it's going to happen but that would be the best bet because reform are the only electorally
01:20:53.060
viable party at the next general election at least beyond that perhaps new vistas open up
01:20:59.300
beyond that but perhaps because it break the back of the of the parliamentary labour party
01:21:04.260
the tories remain broken and then reform a post-reform world you might get an actual
01:21:11.900
nationalist or patriotic party and or movement i still harbor dreams of somebody uniting the right
01:21:18.300
of all these small groups and parties i talked about um you know advance restore yeah yeah all
01:21:25.240
these things yeah that there's is he uh a dashing bearded gentleman with his owner with his own
01:21:31.500
breakfast show no not me i don't have the cognitive capacity to all right i'll do it
01:21:37.180
ask me twice no this um yeah i don't know some sort of a governing body like fifa or something
01:21:44.980
or like lucky luciano's commission you get all the leaders of these smaller parties come together sit
01:21:51.560
around a table and you get to keep your you get to keep your party your family your football club
01:21:57.760
you the governing body doesn't interfere with any of that but you all push together and you stop going
01:22:02.100
to war with each other so reform that ever happen reform the british right alongside football slash
01:22:09.840
mafia lines yes perfect except without the end goal being like uh liquor and prostitution and numbers
01:22:18.680
and drugs it's winning at the ballot box it is but then at the ballot box before that we need to
01:22:23.980
do two things one who should be eligible to even be a candidate and two who should get the right to vote
01:22:29.480
because a lot of people do not work in this country or are not even from this country and have the right
01:22:35.600
to vote which is insane because if you aren't paying taxes you aren't contributing to the government
01:22:41.860
budget and therefore how should you dictate how it's spent i mean if you look at the breakdown of the
01:22:46.740
muslim vote so 16 the muslims of working age 16 to 64 years old 42 percent i believe do not work
01:22:55.820
and while the argument could be well that's because they're women again misogyny but also
01:23:01.140
why are they voting then yeah i mean yeah restricting the franchise i'm for that it only makes sense yeah
01:23:10.300
people i mean in the ancient world sort of the ancient athenian or roman republican franchise was
01:23:16.160
very very very limited very limited very few people were citizens let alone eligible to vote you'd have to
01:23:22.200
have a property qualification yeah you'd have to have a stake in the state yeah kind of simply
01:23:28.240
and if you look at the uae for example um united arab emirates it's you cannot just become a citizen
01:23:36.160
you're always you might be a guest in their country but you're not a citizen and certainly not with the
01:23:40.860
same rights as them so i think this idea of us giving out citizenships i mean if you look last year
01:23:45.900
we gave 739 citizenships on average a day out the top madness 739 passports every single day
01:23:55.460
and can you guess the top three nationalities of course well indian indian second pakistani yep third
01:24:03.000
would it be chinese no nigerian yeah all right so if you think about that if so you have an influx of
01:24:12.220
those you know indians pakistani nigerians but then becoming citizens being able to vote being
01:24:18.880
able to stand in election um someone made the good point on lotus eaters recently that what if
01:24:24.080
china saw what's going on in the uk and said well we can just send chinese agents over win local
01:24:32.340
politics become mps and infiltrate um parliament you could also say that about russia so it's not even an
01:24:38.940
issue of race it's really not it's an issue of foreign interference and this is national security
01:24:43.360
yeah national security yeah and you see how the national suicide yeah and you see how these people
01:24:48.120
organize i mean even on um when i was talking last week uh about jersey on the channel islands
01:24:53.960
there are for whatever mad reason 700 kenyans on jersey island and already that sounds like a very
01:25:02.780
small number they already have an association to organize for their own interests jersey's tiny yeah
01:25:08.720
jersey's really tiny yeah but they're brought over on work visas and they say that oh no we're
01:25:13.920
basically modern slaves now let's form our own organization presumably actually organized and run
01:25:20.580
by some kind of human rights lawyer or is there enough accommodation how's there enough beds i i i know
01:25:26.800
but even just when you get these small numbers in they organize as their own group for their own
01:25:32.280
group interests yeah and how is it any different on a broader national parliamentary scale yeah they
01:25:37.700
can't integrate but also if you look at this case of talking on my well ken that was kenya but looking
01:25:43.020
at nigeria where joshua anthony was um you know miami um the other day against jake paul yeah and
01:25:50.840
he's supposed to be fighting for britain yet he pulls out the nigerian flag on in the arena but
01:25:58.600
i'm not blaming him because he's obviously nigerian so he should obviously he should have
01:26:02.980
the nigerian flag he just shouldn't pretend that he's british he's obviously nigerian and he knows
01:26:08.000
that he has a map of africa here tattoo good you are nigerian that's great but then this pretense of
01:26:15.180
it's the code switching it annoys me yeah it's dishonest yeah the thing is they come to our country
01:26:21.920
and they can be nationalist they can be you know there's always like these communities in england of
01:26:26.360
the pakistani community or the nigerian community or the indian but we as white british apparently
01:26:33.620
we're not allowed to be nationalistic or um patriotic it's it's a bad thing
01:26:39.260
yeah it's a stigma again a hump we'll have to get over we'll have to
01:26:45.000
yeah but i think we should move on to the video and written comments if we've got time for them samson
01:26:52.860
no video comments so i'll go through some of the paid rumble rants and then we'll go through
01:26:57.900
a couple of written comments and call it so luke for my segment sent in a few saying uh
01:27:04.620
g'day hope you're doing well we don't give santa warm milk here we give him a nice cold beer to deal
01:27:09.040
with the heat as he pulls his sleigh with six white boomers big male kangaroos interesting it does freak
01:27:14.760
me out that in australia summer is christmas yeah i've never spent a christmas in the southern
01:27:19.960
hemisphere i've never experienced a baking hot summer christmas day i would quite like to i mean
01:27:25.580
it'd be interesting have you ever done it have you no no have you ever done i'd love to go australia
01:27:29.220
i've been to australia or whatever during christmas no no no i've got family in australia so maybe one
01:27:34.120
day on a christmas i'll just pay them a visit and we can all go to the beach i fancy giving a go one
01:27:38.340
year yeah office trip uh luke again i had said years uh years ago that for a nadoc week don't
01:27:47.760
know what that is sorry um i assume it's something australian oh national aboriginal and indigenous
01:27:53.080
day of celebration i assume how the about the aboriginals go uh go out to the bush with no
01:27:59.080
running water power modern anti-venom lie and live like they did before we came if we're all so evil
01:28:05.240
well i mean mainly what they'd miss is the beer and the petrol that they sniff um luke again could
01:28:12.240
you imagine it's true look into it uh could you imagine what would happen if we didn't exist do
01:28:17.360
people not realize how much of the modern world is created by us approximately all of it maybe if
01:28:22.140
it's time maybe it's really when you look rounding up yeah all of it basically if you look at the
01:28:27.960
cultural technological contributions of any country from outside of europe or north america
01:28:34.120
from about 1500 onwards literally it's all us it's all us everything else that's been done
01:28:41.780
across the world western europe yeah northwestern europe everything else that's been done has
01:28:45.360
basically been slight variations on what we've done or just outright theft of what we've done like
01:28:50.880
the chinese model of technological development um maybe it's time for us to uh take it away
01:28:57.980
going the atlas shrugged right there marx lives says we need an early life check on sunny bunch
01:29:04.620
uh the uh yeah yeah yeah uh that's uh joseph joseph addison aldred says uh in regards to the original
01:29:13.680
depiction of brown beachy head woman that's zendaya look a bit like zendaya a little bit yeah
01:29:20.180
uh magnus says having to reject the universal of universalism of star trek has been heartbreaking
01:29:26.120
but i now vastly prefer warhammer 40k very based also it's not really universalistic it's a double
01:29:33.780
standard it's universalism for europeans particularism for everybody else and when you
01:29:40.020
look into it that's how most programs and films were shown outside of some historical dramas for
01:29:47.080
decades in the post-war period 40k is reasonably based though right yeah no no 40 most of the
01:29:52.420
astarte seem to be anglo white dudes they desperately fighting a terrible evil xenos they desperately
01:29:58.940
don't want it to be they really don't want it to be and some of the people in charge of it now
01:30:03.880
are doing their best to try and like twist and morph it all into out of order and out of proportion
01:30:09.500
but they can't it is what it is yeah right you can't change that i'll
01:30:15.780
read a few of these written comments from the website harry's white monster really zesty king
01:30:22.860
says i went through the entire british educational system through to degree level without ever learning
01:30:28.080
about the normal norman conquest i think that was missed out of my history module as well
01:30:32.460
english civil war or the british empire no one's stopping you from reading a book bro that sounds
01:30:37.460
weird i love zesty king i know he's great that sounded really out of order and really mean i didn't mean
01:30:41.600
it like that we did learn about you can learn about the norman conquest on in your own time
01:30:45.260
there's nothing but when you're growing up and when you've got access to tv and video games and
01:30:50.180
everything else it's the point of the propaganda being taught at university i think i get it yeah
01:30:55.220
i mean that's a fair point that's ridiculous that even degree level yeah they're not talking about
01:31:00.000
it um it's only through traveling in the uk and reading its literature for three years that i
01:31:04.240
finally know the cultural inheritance i possess and i know what is currently at stake that's right it
01:31:09.300
also gives you a sense of perspective michael draebelbus so whitey is responsible for
01:31:14.680
everything his ancestors have done as said by people who can't take responsibility for their own
01:31:19.220
actions true uh cumbrian kulak very proud of my ancestors they were broadly collectively north
01:31:25.780
sea people's apex humanity on any metrics war ideas innovation law exploration civilization arts
01:31:33.140
building i am one thread in this tapestry that's a lovely lovely way of putting it do you want to read
01:31:39.020
through some of yours uh sure let's see what sophie live says yeah the enemy of my enemy is not my
01:31:45.160
friend that was always a dumb saying yeah yeah right pretty much yeah the enemy of my enemy has to be
01:31:52.680
my friend no he said no yeah that doesn't i don't buy it i don't necessarily buy that uh zesty king says
01:32:00.060
it seems bow that all you're proposing is simply not being a traitor yeah putting your own people's
01:32:05.340
interest first was always the default throughout human history yeah i mean where's the liar yeah just
01:32:10.900
stop being a traitor what's that yeah is it too much to ask it's that expression which we hear a lot
01:32:15.780
which is why is it only white countries that have to be multicultural and multi-ethnic yeah yeah no
01:32:23.500
absolutely yeah it's just ludicrous why aren't there why isn't there more white representation on
01:32:28.900
cambodian tv why not that's why not you know it's stupid it is these countries have their own tv
01:32:35.940
channels their own authors their own everything so the fact that they have to try and squeeze their
01:32:41.360
way into ours is well you are starting to see this kind of advocacy and rhetoric being used in japan
01:32:50.240
a little bit obviously they have immediately gone and turned the other way and said no we're going to
01:32:55.740
elect an anti-migration party but you're starting to see this kind of thing promoted in japan as well
01:33:00.940
and i can only assume it's because japan is looked up to as a still a very very nice country somewhere
01:33:08.500
that is homogenous and has its own culture that's distinct from other people's and people like it
01:33:13.200
and they appreciate it and they respect it and the people in charge of all of this just see nice
01:33:18.040
things and want to break them i'm going to japan next week so i should get some respect them
01:33:23.380
real life perspective yeah i will respect them yeah you need to do a catch up on that new
01:33:27.760
japanese iron lady prime minister yeah we need to figure out she's actually really based did she
01:33:32.680
keep her promises is she going to be a boris johnson she was a metal drummer in the 80s which is weird
01:33:38.000
she's going to pull a maloney on us yeah that's what we don't want is she going to keep it bannon
01:33:42.920
she's going to keep it bannon what photos of her with epstein oh yeah that was that was weird it
01:33:50.060
was disappointing wasn't it yeah um do you want to do you want to read through your comments or
01:33:54.680
um i'll let you read them because i can i'll just do all right let's just read one or two yeah yeah
01:34:01.620
just real quick we should monakendon blair's a lunatic end of true cumbrian kulak thank you lucy you
01:34:06.420
may think little of it but the mind is today's battleground and your statement does so much to
01:34:10.180
undermine the psychological and political narrative that has taken literal decades to
01:34:13.880
cast sovereignty and belonging are foundational to people it pushes them to battle you have stuck
01:34:19.300
struck a stunning blow on their monster a champion for our people uh be just and fear not
01:34:25.300
here here inspiring words yes um and alex ogle one of the lucy you don't need to speculate about
01:34:32.800
china's infiltration of british politics you only need to look at the example of canadian politics
01:34:37.020
where michael ma video taking part in a ccp celebration was elected a conservative mp and
01:34:42.580
recently crossed the floor to help push the liberal party closer to an outright majority
01:34:46.180
without an election that is incredible and from what i'm aware isn't the ccp's main tactic not to
01:34:51.680
infiltrate your politics by getting their people elected but just to put like chinese spies in bed with
01:34:56.660
the politicians well there was a case i think a year or two ago where two conservative
01:35:01.680
um staffers in parliament were found guilty of spying oh yes we covered that yeah i did i did a
01:35:09.780
segment so yeah so it's it's not always as obvious as you know this is a chinese this man has a sudden
01:35:15.780
chinese girlfriend who's way out of his league out of nowhere yeah but it's a standard of him i suppose
01:35:21.380
yeah i mean as we say it's this global standard other countries have their people governing it's just
01:35:26.560
common sense as we said which is why i hit a nerve i just cut straight through and said
01:35:30.620
we should be governed by our own people which makes sense every other country does that so and so
01:35:38.100
should we just one final point those two guys never went on trial though did they that was the story
01:35:44.500
that was a big part of the story that their their trial collapsed i mean it was almost certain now
01:35:48.320
it was almost certain it seems uh it was alleged that they were spying on behalf of the ccp but
01:35:54.980
they never actually went to trial so and we need to did they move did they stay in england or did
01:36:00.800
they move over to china i think they're still here oh okay all right all right no yeah they they didn't
01:36:05.640
go full uh that would be cambridge that would be the most i've actually went and lived no but um
01:36:11.380
all right then well uh that's all we've got time for we've run over a little bit thank you very much
01:36:16.760
for joining us today lucy would you like to tell the audience where they can find you and get updates
01:36:21.540
from you yep you can find me on x twitter as some people like to call it lucy white or lucy jane
01:36:27.440
white one is my handle and it was great to spend my afternoon with harry and beau here so it's it's
01:36:34.580
been fantastic up like that it's fine it has it's been great although i must say i was quite sad i
01:36:39.620
didn't have a santa hat um you can there's still there's still time there you go you can end the
01:36:46.160
podcast we all know what we're wishing for this christmas so our country back a lion
01:36:51.520
fair enough fair enough dad feelings anyway uh so thank you all very much thank you for joining
01:37:02.720
us again lucy uh remember three o'clock for those who are fans firaz is doing realpolitik live for you
01:37:11.160
so make sure to check that out in 22 short minutes take care we'll see you again tomorrow for
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the last podcast of the year merry christmas folks