The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1328

00:00:00.000 Oh, hello. Welcome to the podcast of the Lotus Eaters, episode 1328 for Thursday, the 8th

00:00:22.840 of January, 2026. I'm your host, Luca, joined today by Dan and Josh.

00:00:27.680 Hello.

00:00:28.040 Always returning guest, Josh.

00:00:31.040 Ever returning. I'm like the indigestion that you can just never get rid of. Only worse. 1.00

00:00:35.980 Only, well, I was going to say a good form of indigestion. But anyway, as you can see, 1.00

00:00:41.620 we have the new issue of Islander, issue five, ladies and gentlemen. You all wanted it. You've

00:00:46.880 all been asking questions about it. It's finally here, complete with wonderful articles. I think

00:00:52.340 that Rory has done an amazing job with the cover and all of the aesthetics of the work. It's some

00:00:59.300 of his best work yet.

00:01:00.300 Yeah. And finally, with Warhammer 40k articles.

00:01:03.920 Yes, fantastic.

00:01:04.920 By Morgoth.

00:01:05.720 Yep. We've got Morgoth. We've got Carl. We've got Rory himself, obviously. We've got AA,

00:01:10.300 Will Tanner, many great returning writers for this issue of Islander 5. I've done my own

00:01:16.140 Marshalls of Middle-earth one on Aragorn this time. So I hope you all enjoy that. So today,

00:01:22.700 ladies and gentlemen, we're going to be talking all about how the left are trying to find a new

00:01:28.100 martyr. We're then going to be talking about, well, we're going to ask if the West Midlands

00:01:33.080 police did anything wrong, apparently.

00:01:36.380 It is an argument I will advance. It fell flat on its face on Twitter, but I'm going to have

00:01:41.040 another go.

00:01:41.560 All right. Okay. Well, I'll enjoy watching you have a pop at it. And then we're going to

00:01:44.760 talk about the future of the American right. So with that all said, shall we begin? So I

00:01:51.840 would just like to start by really talking about the fact that obviously ICE have never

00:01:58.200 really had the eye of public attention on them quite like they do now. They're under a great

00:02:06.740 amount of stress and duress. And I think we should commend them, irrespective of whether

00:02:12.400 or not we think the number of deportations are what we actually want and whether we think

00:02:17.360 it's enough to help save America.

00:02:19.400 Well, that, that, that, I mean, you see they're under stress. The stress that they should primarily

00:02:22.520 be under is how can I get these rookie numbers up?

00:02:25.160 Yes, absolutely. But, um, but I want to just make the point as well that, uh, irrespective

00:02:31.220 of those numbers, none of it is to take away from the actual individual bravery, patriotism,

00:02:37.880 sense of service.

00:02:39.160 Patriots to a man.

00:02:40.160 That those in ICE are actually obviously motivated by.

00:02:43.620 The only problem with them really is that there aren't enough of them.

00:02:46.400 Yes. Yes. No, I absolutely agree with that.

00:02:49.040 And so really we have now, you'll have seen by now, uh, what happened in Minnesota, always

00:02:55.100 Minnesota these days. Funny how that seems to work, isn't it? Where, uh, a left wing 0.80

00:03:01.520 activist, um, um, someone who's basically tried to get in the way of ICE has ended up losing

00:03:07.460 her life. She was shot as a result of this. And we're going to talk that through and, um,

00:03:12.840 go through it all. But in all of this, I just wanted to say as well that, um, obviously on

00:03:18.900 the left side of things, they all see themselves as heroes fighting against this oppressive,

00:03:25.820 corrupt. 0.73

00:03:26.200 They are, they are indeed delusional. 1.00

00:03:27.800 Right. They, they do believe this. And obviously, uh, the ICE people as well are heroes in their

00:03:33.520 own right. And I absolutely do believe that because they are trying to restore peace, order,

00:03:38.320 tranquility, safety to the country that they deeply love and feel patriotic about. And so

00:03:44.460 these, um, meditations on heroism and power are very, very important to how we understand

00:03:50.660 society. And it's with that respect that I just want to draw your attention to the fact

00:03:55.260 that we have the new issue of Islander magazine, which is all about power and heroism. That is

00:04:01.680 the main theme of this particular magazine. It's on sale now on the website for, uh, 15 pounds,

00:04:08.780 uh, rounded up by a penny. And there are many wonderful articles in there by some of our great

00:04:14.920 writers, such as, uh, Morgoth, Carl, Rory, um,

00:04:19.580 There's some really strong articles.

00:04:21.080 Yeah, really good pieces. So if you're interested, you know where to go. All right. So let's just

00:04:27.060 begin by rewinding, shall we back to the start of this year, because we are seeing ridiculous

00:04:33.600 numbers of antagonism, you know, cases of, um, violence against these ICE law enforcement

00:04:41.020 officers. As we can see here from, uh, the Homeland Security part of the website itself,

00:04:47.720 sanctuary politicians rhetoric fuels more than 1,150% increase in violence against ICE. It goes

00:04:55.620 on to point out that these, uh, from January 21st, 2024 through to November the 21st, uh,

00:05:03.060 when the election was held, there were only 19 reported assaults against ICE law enforcement,

00:05:08.720 while in the same timeframe of 2025, that went up to 238.

00:05:15.160 To be fair, there's a lot more of them now than there was.

00:05:18.380 There are. Yeah.

00:05:19.140 But I agree with you on that. But also as well, it is, it does feel like this was naturally

00:05:25.520 going to happen.

00:05:26.660 The temperature has been turned up on the left.

00:05:28.580 Yes.

00:05:28.920 There weren't people deliberately going out of the way to attack them for a start.

00:05:32.800 No.

00:05:33.100 That just didn't happen.

00:05:34.300 Well, I mean, they were completely ineffectual under Biden.

00:05:36.920 So you didn't need to attack them.

00:05:38.800 Yeah, by design.

00:05:39.620 And everyone knew that Biden wasn't really putting any pressure on them whatsoever.

00:05:44.360 And so, sure, let them go about with the formality of being who they are, but with no real power.

00:05:50.860 And obviously now they have the full state backing of Washington, of Trump, of their administration.

00:05:56.760 And obviously with that, um, there is coming, as I say, a lot of violence.

00:06:02.280 We had the Dallas sniper, uh, which was back in September of last year.

00:06:08.220 I covered this.

00:06:09.040 Yes.

00:06:09.400 Yeah.

00:06:09.800 Yeah.

00:06:10.120 Absolutely horrific incident.

00:06:11.580 Was that the one where he shot into the back of a van and actually killed the immigrants?

00:06:15.060 Yes.

00:06:15.260 That's right.

00:06:15.680 Yeah.

00:06:15.880 Yeah.

00:06:16.280 Killed one detainee.

00:06:18.180 And what? 0.54

00:06:18.720 And himself.

00:06:20.000 Oh, okay.

00:06:20.520 Right.

00:06:20.980 Right.

00:06:21.180 Fair enough.

00:06:22.000 Uh, we also have, uh, a rise in Molotov cocktails and, um, car ramings and all, you know,

00:06:28.720 vehicle, uh, using them to smash into ice vehicles, terrible, terrible stuff.

00:06:33.980 And so perhaps it's not a surprise to anyone that with all of this antagonism, all of this

00:06:40.560 confrontation in cities like Minnesota, places like Seattle, places like LA, where ice are 0.80

00:06:46.820 trying to get in there and do their duty, do their job of making these streets safer and

00:06:52.240 getting rid of the many, many illegals who shouldn't be there. 1.00

00:06:55.900 Of course, eventually, um, someone from that side of things was going to get caught in the

00:07:02.640 crossfire.

00:07:03.360 And I do just want to say, and I'm sorry, but I must be blunt about this.

00:07:08.540 Um, I'm surprised it took this long, to be honest.

00:07:12.240 This felt kind of inevitable because the far left do really see themselves as being on some

00:07:19.100 great crusade and that they're defending the downtrodden, even though those downtrodden

00:07:25.080 happen to be foreign criminals who are actually making their communities a hell of a lot more 1.00

00:07:30.600 dangerous.

00:07:30.800 Can I be a tiny bit picky?

00:07:32.060 I don't think you meant it like this, but just to be super picky, when you say caught

00:07:36.820 in the crossfire, I mean, she put herself directly in the crossfire.

00:07:40.240 Well, this is what we're going to come to.

00:07:41.760 Yeah.

00:07:41.920 She went out of her way. 1.00

00:07:43.580 Yes.

00:07:44.240 To obstruct ice as much as possible.

00:07:47.740 Yes.

00:07:48.080 Uh, blocking the roads, um, literally trying to ram one of their officers.

00:07:52.320 And we'll get to the, uh, the minutiae of that particular thing a little later.

00:07:57.080 But yeah, her name was, uh, Rennie Nicole Gould.

00:07:59.920 She was 37 years old, uh, poet and writer and wife and mum and guitar drummer from Colorado

00:08:07.000 living in Minneapolis.

00:08:09.760 And the, I mean, of course it's always a tragedy when, you know, a young mother dies, always a

00:08:15.080 tragedy.

00:08:15.840 It absolutely is.

00:08:16.600 But one of your duties as a parent is to be there for your children, and that involves 1.00

00:08:20.860 not doing reckless, stupid things. 1.00

00:08:23.320 Mm-hmm. 1.00

00:08:23.880 I very much agree.

00:08:24.660 I was going to say that exact same thing, that, uh, someone with that degree of responsibility,

00:08:30.040 regardless of their politics, shouldn't be putting themselves...

00:08:32.800 She was putting illegal migrants ahead of her own child. 0.83

00:08:35.640 Yeah, exactly.

00:08:37.000 Which is a thing the left does, but fine.

00:08:38.800 Uh, and so obviously Homeland Security have had to issue a statement about it saying, uh,

00:08:43.960 basically many similar things that I've just been saying about the, uh, rate of violence

00:08:48.340 against ICE, uh, troops obviously going up a lot and talking about the fact that, um, it

00:08:54.880 is just, it was an act of domestic terrorism.

00:08:58.060 You're actively trying to, uh, stop them from doing what they want.

00:09:02.820 But of course, all of this is really guided by the fact that the left have been looking

00:09:09.700 for this for ages.

00:09:11.360 They've wanted something like this to happen so desperately because it, in one of their

00:09:17.560 own, uh, for want of a better way to put it, being killed, it actively gives them a

00:09:22.840 license to up the violence, to up the rhetoric.

00:09:26.320 And so now all of a sudden on streets across American cities, we have vast protests just

00:09:32.520 shouting for death to ice and people who are, you know, just good people, dutiful people

00:09:39.580 trying to make their own communities safer and obviously protect the integrity of the

00:09:46.240 United States itself.

00:09:48.400 I think we're at the sort of stage of, uh, the late Roman Republic whereby you've got

00:09:54.280 two different competing groups of elites or political parties in this instance, basically

00:10:00.380 whispering to the people on the street who support them, listen, do these things.

00:10:05.500 I'm not allowed to formally tell you to do them, but they know by this point that their

00:10:10.580 rhetoric leads to these sorts of actions, right?

00:10:12.860 When they're saying that, you know, ice are illegal, no humans are legal, um, they don't

00:10:17.900 belong in our communities.

00:10:18.940 There will be people who lap that sort of stuff up, even though it is detached from reality.

00:10:23.800 Um, and that, of course you need a border and to get rid of illegal immigrants is something 1.00

00:10:29.400 that's common all around the world and to suggest otherwise is insane, but there are plenty of 0.85

00:10:34.060 insane people out there who are willing to listen. 0.88

00:10:36.060 And with, um, them calling, um, Trump a traitor and, you know, an insurrectionist and a dictator 0.92

00:10:43.240 and all those things that led to many people trying to take his life.

00:10:46.860 And so when they're talking about ice, the implication there is very similar.

00:10:53.160 And also I think the fact that they've got to cover up their faces and, and do all of

00:10:58.160 these things to mitigate what effectively is a form of stochastic terrorism.

00:11:04.540 Absolutely.

00:11:05.560 It's trite, um, to make the comparison, but that they behave like they're occupied by like

00:11:12.140 the empire from star Wars.

00:11:13.580 And then ice agent is like the equivalent of a storm trooper.

00:11:16.860 And they, you know, they genuinely think that the rebel Alliance, even while it's not considering

00:11:21.520 the fact that actually there's nothing imperialistic about this whatsoever.

00:11:25.300 It's merely trying to keep law and order in your own homeland, in your own country.

00:11:29.940 This isn't even abroad.

00:11:31.160 This is just here.

00:11:32.280 And they're emboldened by the fact that they know that they can constantly rely.

00:11:36.500 There is no number of crimes that they can commit.

00:11:39.620 It doesn't matter how heinous the things that they do are.

00:11:42.780 Um, I won't get pictures of it up, but, uh, on the homeland security website, there are

00:11:48.920 photos of ice members who have been attacked and, you know, I've seen people's lips cut

00:11:55.020 in half.

00:11:55.580 I've seen horrible, horrible wounds.

00:11:58.200 You know, many a nice person sent to hospital as well.

00:12:01.480 You know, really, it could be life changing for some of these, these poor men.

00:12:05.980 And what's more, as I say, the left who are inflicting this violence on them know that they

00:12:12.280 have the backing of the Minneapolis state department of people like mayor Jacob Frey,

00:12:18.140 established media as well.

00:12:19.380 Yes, let's just listen to them talk here. 1.00

00:12:22.200 To ice, get the fuck out of Minneapolis. 1.00

00:12:25.520 Your stated reason for being in this city is to create some kind of safety and you are 0.99

00:12:29.960 doing exactly the opposite.

00:12:31.800 Somebody is dead.

00:12:33.220 That's on you.

00:12:34.280 This was an agent recklessly using power that resulted in somebody dying.

00:12:39.940 To the family, I'm so deeply sorry.

00:12:41.960 We're going to be working towards justice as quickly as we possibly can right now.

00:12:45.960 And justice is what we've all got to get.

00:12:47.680 We're going to make sure that in this very difficult moment, we do not take the bait that

00:12:52.540 these ice agents are trying to create and that the federal government, to be clear, wants.

00:12:57.120 People are going to want to.

00:12:58.540 Utterly unhinged.

00:12:59.900 I mean, presumably that's dubbed.

00:13:01.160 It was originally in Somalian.

00:13:04.020 Well, actually, you've just beat me to something there, which is to say that all the time that

00:13:08.780 this is going on, Minnesota's reputation is in the absolute gutter, right?

00:13:15.400 After we covered, I think Harry covered on the podcast yesterday, talking about the Somalian

00:13:20.260 daycare scandal and the fact that Tim Walsh, the governor, has basically said, I'm not going

00:13:25.880 to run for a third term now because this is such an untenable level of corruption.

00:13:31.260 I mean, it's such a bizarre thing.

00:13:33.100 I mean, being British, I don't have to think about Minnesota that often.

00:13:37.120 I mean, I imagine even most Americans don't have to think about Minnesota that often.

00:13:40.240 But the last time I did was when I watched the film Fargo in like whatever it was, like

00:13:45.100 1989 or wherever that came out.

00:13:46.940 And it's this really northern state and it's really bloody cold.

00:13:51.320 And it's got all these Scandinavian people in it who talk a bit weird. 1.00

00:13:55.280 And it's really bloody cold.

00:13:57.040 And then the next time I have to think about it, they've got Somalians everywhere. 0.99

00:14:01.100 It's sort of the antithesis of that, really.

00:14:03.160 How does that go together?

00:14:04.800 How am I not living in a simulation that that follows from that?

00:14:07.940 Yeah, no, it's totally deranged.

00:14:11.240 And all of this to say as well, that when we'll go through the footage in slow motion

00:14:17.900 here, but when Jacob Frey talks about the fact that, oh, this is someone who was killed

00:14:23.560 by ice, right?

00:14:24.720 Everything that happened before that.

00:14:26.960 Oh, yeah.

00:14:27.500 That led to that result is immaterial.

00:14:30.980 It's inconvenient to the narrative.

00:14:33.800 And so all of it just has to be dismissed.

00:14:35.900 Uh, Jacob Frey says, oh, I watched the footage and well, a lot of people have watched that

00:14:42.340 footage.

00:14:42.780 I've seen this going around, obviously, all over my timeline this morning.

00:14:47.020 Millions and millions of people have seen this.

00:14:49.940 Yeah.

00:14:50.180 Well, I mean, I saw it and I watched a clip and it was like six seconds long and it looked

00:14:55.820 bad.

00:14:56.200 And I thought, yeah, but it's six seconds.

00:14:58.520 What actually happened?

00:14:59.680 And I thought, I'm not going to look at this anymore because I know that somebody will cover

00:15:02.960 it tomorrow.

00:15:03.560 Not to sound too crass here, but if, if it were a situation where someone came to me

00:15:09.840 and said they were bitten by a snake, I would say, what were you doing to mess with the

00:15:13.320 snake, right?

00:15:14.640 And to get shot by ice, they're not known to go around shooting people, are they?

00:15:20.060 In fact.

00:15:20.720 She was just walking to the local costa.

00:15:23.280 Don't make follow on thought about the not knowing.

00:15:26.320 I know where you, I know where you want to go next.

00:15:28.480 You're not allowed.

00:15:29.180 Okay.

00:15:29.760 All right.

00:15:30.580 Just for you.

00:15:31.880 Back in line.

00:15:33.140 So let's just watch this footage slowly, shall we?

00:15:38.960 Mute that because.

00:15:40.700 There's a cow in the background.

00:15:41.880 So you can see here, there's two people.

00:15:43.320 There's one at the front of the car, one at the side.

00:15:47.320 Obviously, he's obstructed a bit by the first person in front, but you can see the gunshot

00:15:51.600 goes off after the car begins to rev itself and then goes on because the person inside

00:15:58.640 it was, Rene was shot inside and crashed further down the road as a result of it and

00:16:05.220 obviously died.

00:16:06.520 Now, I thought that Asmogold had a really good breakdown of this and I thought rather 0.92

00:16:12.540 than going through it, it's only a minute long.

00:16:14.560 I thought, let's just let him say it himself.

00:16:17.240 Right there, she's literally, she's moving forward and he had to just barely get out

00:16:22.160 of the way.

00:16:22.660 He barely got, if he hadn't moved, she would have run him over. 0.94

00:16:26.800 Watch the tire.

00:16:27.700 See, now the tire is moving forward.

00:16:29.320 You see the tire is moving forward with the officer directly in front of the car.

00:16:34.760 You can see the spinning.

00:16:36.260 This would have never happened if she had just gotten out of the car and it would have never

00:16:39.620 happened if she hadn't just tried to block the police in the first place.

00:16:43.080 I see her spinning her wheels forward right there. 1.00

00:16:46.460 You're trying to run over that officer.

00:16:48.640 You are. 1.00

00:16:49.260 She doesn't give a fuck. 1.00

00:16:50.420 Plus, if you're next to a car like that, you can hear it when it starts accelerating. 0.99

00:16:53.560 You know what?

00:16:54.260 You actually bring up a great point.

00:16:55.900 I hadn't even thought about this, but the police officer who was in front of the car

00:16:59.860 heard the wheels accelerating and yeah, absolutely. 1.00

00:17:02.900 He's going to pull out his fucking gun. 1.00

00:17:04.480 That's a great point. 1.00

00:17:05.800 New pictures show the bullet hole in the windshield so clearly shot from in front of the car.

00:17:09.740 Here we go.

00:17:10.320 And you can see right here, if the cop wasn't in front of the vehicle, then he wouldn't

00:17:13.900 have been able to make this shot.

00:17:15.160 I've seen the video.

00:17:16.060 Don't...

00:17:16.460 Yep.

00:17:17.740 Very forensically said.

00:17:19.160 And also, what's more as well, and this is something we were talking about before we

00:17:22.460 came on air, the fact that as well, because of the winter frost on the road, that basically

00:17:29.100 made sure that the tyres span couldn't grip.

00:17:33.260 And so if it had not been winter, if there had not been ice on the road, yeah, I know,

00:17:39.760 I know.

00:17:40.480 Then ice saved by ice seems to be what we have here, ladies and gentlemen.

00:17:44.620 But I don't want to make too comedic a deal of it.

00:17:48.840 The point is that that man's very, very lucky to be alive.

00:17:52.100 And the other thing to say, of course, is just that really the ice on the road is the only

00:17:58.620 reason that we're not looking at a very, very different headline right now.

00:18:02.700 Many, many different headlines.

00:18:04.200 And so whilst the left actively look for this woman as an example to foment revolution and

00:18:14.640 the entire state apparatus of Minnesota uses it to basically create further antagonism towards

00:18:23.200 the federal government, towards Trump and all of that, as I say, they would not shed a tear

00:18:30.820 if it were the other way around.

00:18:33.380 Oh no, no, they'd be celebrating.

00:18:35.340 They just got pancaked or, you know, just run over there and then.

00:18:39.060 Yeah, you'd absolutely have had.

00:18:40.940 And we have an eyewitness testimony here from one of the local women.

00:18:45.600 I'll just let her speak on this quickly.

00:18:47.800 They clearly wanted her out of there because she was the main car leading the protest is 0.98

00:18:55.780 my understanding.

00:18:56.580 I talked to another guy who was driving behind her, but she was, she was very, she was very

00:19:06.040 successful in blocking traffic.

00:19:07.420 She was doing what she was, what she was set out to do.

00:19:09.940 And so they wanted to get her the hell out of there.

00:19:14.100 Yeah.

00:19:14.540 So it looked like she was impeding ice vehicles.

00:19:17.800 Definitely.

00:19:18.160 Yeah.

00:19:18.380 That was her goal.

00:19:21.280 I mean, it all seems really clear cut from what I've been through this morning.

00:19:26.300 And I just want to make this absolutely clear.

00:19:28.760 I'm not saying that it looks clear cut because I am naturally on the side of ice, right?

00:19:35.020 When I first saw this footage, I thought it looks a bit ambiguous.

00:19:38.700 And now I've sort of like, you know, followed the evidence and come to this conclusion.

00:19:43.220 I have not, like Jacob Frey, just looked at this incident and gone, how can I use this?

00:19:50.400 Right.

00:19:50.700 I've not done that whatsoever.

00:19:52.900 Sorry.

00:19:53.060 I mean, that was exactly my impression.

00:19:54.640 When I first saw the footage without any context, it's like, what's going on here?

00:19:57.700 I mean, was she turning around in the street?

00:20:00.180 Yeah.

00:20:00.300 But once you get all the background, no, she knew what she was dealing with.

00:20:04.180 She knew she was blocking traffic.

00:20:05.780 She deliberately tried to run into an officer.

00:20:08.580 I mean, once you just know a little bit more than the first clip that you see, changes the picture.

00:20:13.520 Well, it doesn't.

00:20:14.140 It clarifies.

00:20:15.140 It clarifies.

00:20:15.500 It absolutely does.

00:20:17.360 And so as a result of this, of course, as I say, the people protesting against ice in Minnesota have needed no time whatsoever to use this as an excuse to start burning American flags, to start chanting for death.

00:20:33.200 Obviously, it's gone on to Minneapolis, where it was happening, Seattle as well, shouting death to ice.

00:20:40.020 And to the surprise of no one as well, Mamdani in New York has obviously, you know, took this to further his own rhetoric as well.

00:20:50.900 And then I found this article by The Telegraph where her family members actually spoke about her character.

00:20:58.840 And they went on to say that Good, a poet and mother of three, was married to a woman named Becca Good at the time of her death.

00:21:06.420 She had previously been married to Timmy Ray Macklin, Jr., who died in 2023 at the age of 36.

00:21:14.040 It doesn't say under what circumstances.

00:21:16.720 Speaking to The Telegraph, her former father-in-law, Timmy Ray Macklin, Sr., said he believed that she was murdered by ice agents.

00:21:25.560 It's horrible.

00:21:26.300 It's murder.

00:21:27.240 Everybody is terribly shocked right now.

00:21:29.500 She was a good, outgoing person.

00:21:31.460 I didn't agree with a lot of her ways, but it's really sad to see these things happen.

00:21:38.180 Good and her former husband had a child, age six, who she would bring to see her grandparents a couple of times a year.

00:21:46.220 And he added, my main concern right now is just getting my grandchild.

00:21:49.940 Donna Granger, her mother, described Good as an amazing human being and one of the kindest people I've ever known in a tribute in the Minnesota Star.

00:21:59.320 She was extremely compassionate.

00:22:02.020 She's taken care of people all her life.

00:22:04.260 She was loving, forgiving and affectionate.

00:22:07.000 Now, I don't actually doubt that what the mother is saying is true about her being a very compassionate, loving and affectionate woman.

00:22:15.160 The question is, who was her compassion for?

00:22:18.640 Well, it certainly wasn't for fellow Americans. 0.94

00:22:20.460 Or her children.

00:22:21.560 Or her child, yeah.

00:22:22.520 Or her child.

00:22:23.040 Or the ice agents.

00:22:23.700 And so, unfortunately, I have to agree with Cassandra here when she says, imagine having a six-year-old child at home whose dad had died back in 2023 and going to play superhero to fight law enforcement in defence of random Somalians.

00:22:39.960 You know, why are leftists like this?

00:22:42.320 So, let me be clear.

00:22:43.500 It is a tragedy when a young mother dies.

00:22:45.700 Yes, it is.

00:22:46.200 However, just A, B scenario of this.

00:22:51.600 Scenario A, that kid grows up with a belligerent left-wing poet, she, her, trans flag in the bio. 0.92

00:23:00.740 Or grows up with what sounds like actually quite sensible grandparents.

00:23:05.640 Well...

00:23:06.040 I'm not saying it's not a tragedy, but I think that child's life prospects might have improved.

00:23:13.120 Well, we can only hope for the very best, obviously, for the child in its future.

00:23:17.080 But this all does come down to the fact as well that they are really using this to...

00:23:24.660 Let's hear Tim Walser talk.

00:23:27.100 Keep the federal government out of Minnesota.

00:23:29.440 We have soldiers in training and prepared to be deployed if necessary.

00:23:33.180 I remind you, a warning order is a heads-up for folks.

00:23:37.600 And these National Guard troops are our National Guard troops.

00:23:41.740 They're teachers in your community.

00:23:43.600 They're business owners.

00:23:44.900 They're construction professionals.

00:23:46.740 They are Minnesotans.

00:23:49.140 Minnesota will not allow our community to be used as a prop in a national political fight.

00:23:53.600 We will not take the bait.

00:23:55.140 We will continue to update you, Minnesota, as we get more information.

00:23:58.660 Now, I'd like to turn it over to Commissioner...

00:24:00.180 Just mental.

00:24:03.280 I'm not entirely sure that the National Guard, presumably people who would be a bit more patriotic-leaning

00:24:08.620 by merit of being in the National Guard, would be willing to die for the Democratic Party.

00:24:16.180 Well, that's clearly a gamble that Walser here is going to go through with.

00:24:21.540 I mean, we'll see how it turns out for him.

00:24:24.280 But all of this to say as well, just to come back to the fact that this is really just... 0.98

00:24:31.700 I mean, obviously Reddit is, you know, a complete hive of scum and villainy, of course. 0.76

00:24:36.580 But the fact that this is the sort of antagonism that ICE officers are faced with every single day. 0.96

00:24:43.680 And it's only fermenting more and more as time goes on.

00:24:48.060 And so I'm very, very worried for the officers on the ground here because they are dealing, frankly...

00:24:53.580 It is one...

00:24:55.240 Because you know what it is?

00:24:56.700 It's one thing to be an ICE officer and have to go into these communities, into these neighbourhoods,

00:25:04.060 to arrest and detain people who are already criminals, have broken into your country illegally,

00:25:10.680 and who will actively fight back against you and harm you.

00:25:14.800 They've already broken the law by coming in.

00:25:17.240 You don't know what they're capable of doing.

00:25:19.660 That's one thing, right?

00:25:21.020 That's...

00:25:21.860 At least that comes with the territory of the job.

00:25:24.020 You know you're signing up for that.

00:25:25.740 But to have to constantly endure all of this from your own citizenry as well.

00:25:32.320 Looking over your shoulder as well. 0.98

00:25:33.580 From just far-left lunatics. 0.94

00:25:35.180 Like, the fact that they're constantly, even in their everyday life, have to be, you know, 0.56

00:25:40.440 keeping an eye out for their surroundings.

00:25:43.080 That kind of work and that kind of atmosphere, for anyone who's done it, I haven't, but from

00:25:47.620 what I've heard, drives people a bit mad, and understandably so, because you're under

00:25:53.700 constant threat, and that's a great way to degrade someone to the point where they're

00:25:59.020 not the same anymore.

00:26:00.360 And so, really, all of this comes down to the fact that the left are desperately trying

00:26:05.440 to make a martyr of Rene.

00:26:07.580 And, to be honest with you, given her actions and what she was doing, perhaps it's a little

00:26:13.760 rude of me to say, but I think she'd have been in favour of it.

00:26:16.700 After all, there is a reason she was there in the first place.

00:26:20.020 She obviously was in favour of everything that these people are doing to obstruct what

00:26:25.200 ICE are after.

00:26:26.700 But also, as well, this fraying of America, bearing in mind as well, they want complete

00:26:34.460 sympathy for this woman, even though she did absolutely everything she could to endanger

00:26:40.060 her own life and sadly lost it as a result.

00:26:43.060 But all of this is after Charlie Kirk and, you know, the way that they dealt with that

00:26:50.240 and the rhetoric we saw from them there, which was absolutely reprehensible.

00:26:56.120 And you notice as well, even though that I'm saying here and now that what this woman did

00:27:03.200 actively led to what happened, I'm not celebrating it.

00:27:07.620 I'm not cheering it on.

00:27:09.040 This is a total tragedy.

00:27:10.340 But we can acknowledge that it's the left who consistently initiate violence.

00:27:15.160 Yes, it absolutely is.

00:27:16.900 And that was what it was here, what they were doing.

00:27:20.600 And obviously, there have been a lot of memes going around about this because they're basically

00:27:25.220 trying to make her into a George Floyd type figure.

00:27:28.920 And so, irrespective of any criticisms that I might have of the Trump administration, I do

00:27:34.980 think that it is at least good that we have a Republican-led administration right now so

00:27:40.180 that ICE and its officers can get the full backing of the federal government and that

00:27:46.080 their officers who are constantly, day in, day out, putting themselves in jeopardy and

00:27:50.680 in harm's way in order to create a safer America are obviously being supported from the

00:27:58.040 very top.

00:27:59.160 Just another thing to add as well, that this comes not long after that recent attempted

00:28:05.980 break into J.D. Vance's house as well.

00:28:08.820 Oh, I missed that one.

00:28:09.700 Oh, yeah.

00:28:10.140 Someone tried to break into his house.

00:28:12.800 He wasn't there.

00:28:13.180 How did that end for him?

00:28:14.600 You know what?

00:28:15.280 I didn't actually follow up on the story, but I just knew it.

00:28:17.520 I think he was arrested.

00:28:18.780 Right.

00:28:19.240 Okay.

00:28:19.900 Yeah. 0.63

00:28:20.260 Yeah, it was a kid with sort of Reddit physiognomy, looked a little bit mentally ill. 0.96

00:28:26.140 A spiteful mutant. 0.97

00:28:27.440 Yes.

00:28:28.280 And so, honestly, I think that Zuma had the best take on this, which was just a wife and 0.53

00:28:33.060 mother alive completely wasted because of leftist ideology corrupting her brain. 0.97

00:28:38.380 That ridiculous flag in the bio is an indication of what killed her. 0.98

00:28:42.140 There is now a child without a mother because of what this woman was brainwashed into doing 1.00

00:28:46.520 a hundred years ago.

00:28:47.960 I'm sure she would have been a very good person, completely misplaced compassion, a senseless

00:28:53.280 waste.

00:28:54.220 Yep.

00:28:54.540 A senseless waste, indeed.

00:28:57.640 All right.

00:28:58.560 I'll just go through the rumble rants.

00:29:02.560 Logan Pine says, for having three quarters of the political system against them, hats off

00:29:08.780 for getting anything done by ICE.

00:29:11.040 Well, I mean, I agree.

00:29:13.360 As I say, for the actual officers on the ground who are actually doing the work, I commend

00:29:18.640 them greatly.

00:29:19.320 It's just a shame that the whole apparatus of the state can't be marshaled to actually

00:29:25.220 help them with all of this, seemingly because of reluctance on the part of people in there.

00:29:30.620 Luke 91 says, good day, everyone.

00:29:33.900 I'm sorry, but he peed me off by having to argue with some people.

00:29:38.180 I'm lying, saying that she was trying to flee, even if she wasn't intentionally.

00:29:43.540 She nearly hit the guy anyway. 0.85

00:29:45.840 Yeah.

00:29:46.180 Yeah, absolutely.

00:29:47.920 That's a random name.

00:29:48.840 Luke 91 says, we live and we, I think I should say learn.

00:29:52.240 This woman, yeah, learn the hard way.

00:29:54.880 Hopefully her children, yeah.

00:29:58.660 That's a meta joke about Somalian. 0.99

00:30:00.560 Yes.

00:30:01.100 Okay.

00:30:01.580 I shan't read the rest of it, but I'll take your point at random.

00:30:04.660 Luke also says, could Trump use the same argument Biden did to stop Texas from defending the

00:30:09.380 border to basically tell other states that they have no power? 0.96

00:30:12.820 Sorry, just a dumb question from Photos, an Australian. 0.86

00:30:16.520 Well, I do know that Trump, I saw footage of Trump basically pondering on whether or not 0.90

00:30:21.560 to invoke the Insurrection Act, which obviously, from my point of view, what are you waiting

00:30:27.280 for?

00:30:28.000 Because it's that thing as well.

00:30:30.140 You can't allow these people like Frey, like Waltz, like Mamdani to basically just, what

00:30:37.640 are we going to do?

00:30:38.260 We're just going to allow them to endanger the lives of citizens in perpetuity, in rigged

00:30:43.780 states where the demographics ensure their power.

00:30:46.160 When you think of Ukraine, you can't explain why the Democrat Party and all of its operative 0.91

00:30:50.940 and members are not in El Salvador-style prisons.

00:30:54.980 No, I mean, this is the thing.

00:30:57.040 They are actively betraying the nation, proudly, they say it.

00:31:00.760 They say, we are seceding from the United States.

00:31:05.000 We are going where you cannot touch us.

00:31:07.360 We are going to call out the National Guard.

00:31:09.360 We are going to protect this state from you.

00:31:12.460 I think, this is my opinion on it, that Trump's making a cynical ploy that if he does that

00:31:18.940 sort of thing, it reduces his political capital and he becomes what the left says he will become,

00:31:25.020 at least in their minds.

00:31:26.840 And therefore, he can do less things.

00:31:29.640 And he's looking for a way in which he doesn't have to, you know, cross that threshold, I think, potentially.

00:31:37.520 Potentially.

00:31:38.240 We'll have to see what the developments are.

00:31:40.720 Cranky Texan says, this dog won't hunt. 0.83

00:31:42.860 You can know George Floyd overdosed and still be upset by the selectively edited video.

00:31:48.920 This incident is a clear case of an officer with a reasonable fear for his life.

00:31:53.020 Absolutely.

00:31:56.140 Josephus Scribe says, Minnesotan here, majority of my co-workers today are saying, just comply.

00:32:03.540 But there's a handful that are shouting he wasn't in danger or even he's a murderer, showing them the video doesn't work.

00:32:10.460 No, it absolutely doesn't.

00:32:11.700 You know, that's really the point of this.

00:32:14.160 Most people had already decided which side they were coming down in terms of the actual incident itself

00:32:21.120 before they'd even watched the video.

00:32:23.020 Before they'd even, or even just after watching it once, because it's entirely partisan.

00:32:28.960 But, you know, as with so many things, as with the case with George Floyd, as with the case now,

00:32:34.780 it just so happens, whenever incidents like this seem to take place,

00:32:39.040 the facts do generally seem to come down on our side.

00:32:42.460 The truth does actually just seem to be something that we have with us.

00:32:46.540 Thank you for making me pronounce that, says, if we said he was a good and compassionate father about Charlie Kirk,

00:32:59.980 would they put out the same articles?

00:33:02.060 No, we know that.

00:33:03.100 And the Engage View says, man mauled by tiger is a tragic headline.

00:33:08.260 Man mauled by tiger after climbing into cage and trying to snuggle is a case of, you know, what did you think was going to happen?

00:33:15.580 I will just say that before we move on as well.

00:33:18.160 I was looking through, obviously, all the articles and the takes about this from the mainstream papers,

00:33:23.740 and it was all just, you know, I shoot woman, not the fact that she was basically doing things to get herself shot, right?

00:33:33.360 You can tell the whole trajectory of trying to let this go in, so don't let them.

00:33:38.500 So I'm sure you're all familiar with the story going around at the moment about West Midlands police,

00:33:43.740 and we covered it on the podcast yesterday.

00:33:45.340 I'll play a clip of that in a second to anchor this.

00:33:48.100 I don't really want to talk about what happened.

00:33:49.700 I want to talk about why it happened.

00:33:51.160 But the sort of standard take on this is outrage from all spectrums of British political life.

00:33:59.100 Say, what are these police doing?

00:34:01.000 You know, why are they doing it?

00:34:02.060 And the very short summary is that basically there was going to be a football match,

00:34:06.680 and they knew that the Islamic population of whatever town it was were going to use violence 0.99

00:34:14.160 against the Israeli supporters who were coming over for this football match.

00:34:17.800 And so they banned the Israelis, they didn't attempt to address the Islamic bedrock of violence that they got within their town. 0.98

00:34:25.800 And it all kicked off over this clip, and I'll play the segment from yesterday's podcast,

00:34:33.160 so you get a sense of what's going on, just in case you missed that segment.

00:34:36.820 You can hang your head in shame like I've had to.

00:34:38.680 And the challenge around risk decision-making is public safety has got to be at the heart of it.

00:34:43.700 So, again, I understand the frustration, but there is no conspiracy here.

00:34:47.140 This was a decision based on safety.

00:34:49.180 So why are we only hearing about this now?

00:34:51.560 Why is it that a report that's come at lunchtime today from the Times newspaper

00:34:55.660 that you had information on the 5th of September

00:34:58.000 that there were likely to be vigilante groups within the West Midlands community itself

00:35:02.260 who were planning to take action against the Maccabi fans?

00:35:05.360 How is it that this committee is just hearing this for the first time?

00:35:09.400 Well, I think this is the first time specifically that you've asked for that detail.

00:35:14.740 That's what we tried to get across.

00:35:17.600 Absolutely outrageous.

00:35:20.200 This is the first time that you...

00:35:21.900 I think, to be clear, we have wanted to get to the bottom of this

00:35:24.500 and understand why the decision was taken that you did.

00:35:26.540 We would like very much for you to be able to demonstrate to us

00:35:29.400 that this was done entirely on a risk-based matter for public safety, etc., etc.

00:35:33.840 And it is very frustrating if there is information that could help you in that

00:35:38.100 that it doesn't come to light up front.

00:35:40.380 And I don't think we should have to ask specifically for every single piece of information

00:35:43.900 if you have things that you could give us that would assist us in this process.

00:35:47.660 So the police were trying to save face for Muslims in Birmingham?

00:35:50.360 That is the long and short of it, ladies and gents. 0.94

00:35:52.120 I'm sorry, I had to build this picture for you.

00:35:53.280 The police, the police, the West Midlands police, they had evidence that armed vigilantes...

00:36:00.240 Muslims. 0.97

00:36:02.160 We're going to start assaulting footy fans in the middle of the street. 0.99

00:36:05.300 Yeah.

00:36:05.920 And they buried it.

00:36:07.740 And they framed it...

00:36:08.880 Again, I don't care about Israel. 0.98

00:36:10.120 But they framed it as the Israelis to save face for their community.

00:36:13.960 And no one specifically asked them if they were doing that.

00:36:16.500 And so they did...

00:36:18.180 Right.

00:36:18.940 So you get the idea.

00:36:19.680 I do.

00:36:20.360 That's a good little Lotus podcast-ception there.

00:36:22.220 Yes.

00:36:22.940 Yes.

00:36:23.800 If only they were playing a Link of Us back again or something.

00:36:26.680 Yes.

00:36:27.180 Three levels in.

00:36:29.380 So my case on this, and you might think this is a bit heretical at first, but I want to kind of justify it.

00:36:35.300 I am not saying that that police dude is a good dude.

00:36:38.480 I'm not saying that.

00:36:39.380 Sure.

00:36:40.260 What I'm saying is I have some sympathy for him.

00:36:43.020 Some sympathy.

00:36:43.580 And the reason I'm saying that is because the police are downstream of a lot of things that cause this situation to take place.

00:36:52.580 They are downstream of the elite moral doctrine, for a start.

00:36:58.280 They do not set immigration policy.

00:37:00.160 No, they have to work within that framework set for them.

00:37:02.760 They do not shape the demographic composition of this country or the city that they operate in. 0.58

00:37:08.960 They do not define the doctrine of which multiculturalism operates under.

00:37:13.980 And they have no control, of course, over the spillover from foreign conflicts going on around the world.

00:37:20.700 They're downstream of all of that.

00:37:21.880 Now, again, I am not saying that the police are good guys.

00:37:25.740 What I'm saying is, is that if you were not on board with that whole agenda, you never would have risen up the ranks to be chief superintendent in the first place.

00:37:36.420 So effectively, what I'm saying is, is that the politicians have, they're like engineers, right?

00:37:43.720 And they built a factory.

00:37:45.580 And that factory has been designed to produce little red boxes.

00:37:49.120 And for the last 30 years, they've been optimizing that factory to produce as many little red boxes as possible.

00:37:55.600 They've tweaked every input, every assumption, every bit of machinery to get as many red boxes as possible.

00:38:01.600 And little red boxes have been flowing off that production line dozens, hundreds a day for the last 30 years.

00:38:08.640 And then all of a sudden, what they've done is they've shrieked in horror, pointed at a little red box and said, why did that happen?

00:38:15.820 And the foreman is just, he doesn't know what to say to that.

00:38:23.020 He's like, well, yeah, but you never asked before.

00:38:26.400 I actually think that's a bloody good defense.

00:38:28.860 His job is to make sure that those questions never get up to the politician level.

00:38:35.520 Because anyone who has ever attempted to address that question before has been fired or called racist or hounded out of society.

00:38:46.400 Tell me I'm not mad here.

00:38:48.160 The things I've heard from the police, like the things that they get disciplined for.

00:38:53.500 Yes.

00:38:53.760 I've heard things about people with mugs, with just silly slogans on that everyone would take as a joke.

00:39:00.200 But it could be offensive to someone.

00:39:02.820 Therefore, you either have to get rid of the mug or you face disciplinary action.

00:39:06.660 Or you make an offhand comment.

00:39:08.160 I heard something about someone who was complaining that one of their co-workers got some time off in a jokey way.

00:39:16.160 And they called her the B word as a joke. 0.91

00:39:21.880 And then that was taken up as a sexism thing. 0.98

00:39:24.800 Even though it's like, but we're friends.

00:39:26.200 It's like a joke.

00:39:27.060 Like, oh, she's got the time off.

00:39:28.440 But someone else reported it.

00:39:30.240 And supposedly to get promoted, you've actually got to rat out your colleagues.

00:39:34.420 And that really helps.

00:39:36.680 So you can't get past a certain threshold without ratting out your colleagues.

00:39:41.160 So it's built into the system.

00:39:43.220 So it is the commissariat?

00:39:44.660 Yes.

00:39:45.540 Right.

00:39:46.340 Like, there are people who have risen the ranks just by being as selfish as humanly possible.

00:39:51.620 And having no camaraderie.

00:39:53.240 Which for a police force is, you know, devastating.

00:39:55.660 Yes, soulless.

00:39:56.540 And you see the sort of people, I mean, you know, two on the bounce, wasn't it?

00:39:59.800 With the Met.

00:40:00.360 Between Cressida Dick and now Sir Mark Rowley.

00:40:04.580 You know, these are people entirely beholden.

00:40:07.260 And believers in.

00:40:08.580 The chances of getting a based Chief of the Met.

00:40:12.940 It literally could not happen.

00:40:14.960 And this is what you're saying, isn't it?

00:40:16.340 Yeah, yeah.

00:40:16.740 Well, the system is designed to prevent it, isn't it?

00:40:19.020 That was a good anecdote.

00:40:19.840 Let me give you another anecdote.

00:40:21.080 And this is an old one.

00:40:22.660 This is like 15 years ago.

00:40:23.840 I was speaking to some guy.

00:40:24.420 And he was, I think, an inspector.

00:40:26.640 Whatever rank when you get your own police station, right?

00:40:29.500 I think it was inspector.

00:40:31.380 And he was a high achiever.

00:40:33.640 He was getting superb results.

00:40:36.140 And so he had a visit from whatever is above that to basically come and pat him on the back

00:40:42.160 and, you know, ask him about what he's doing and stuff like that.

00:40:44.400 So he's a high achieving officer of this, whatever it was, town, region.

00:40:48.720 And one of the things he had done is that he had got printed out on A4 the mugshots of the 50 most prolific criminals in those towns.

00:40:58.720 And then inside the station, so the bit where only officers go, he had taped all of these 50 profiles, these mugshots, to the wall with a name.

00:41:08.480 The idea being is that every day the police would walk past these and just internalise name and face.

00:41:15.560 And that is obviously useful if you're doing law enforcement in this town.

00:41:19.900 Right.

00:41:20.740 So the senior officer, he walks in and he looks at this in horror and he says,

00:41:25.500 why have you got 50 black men taped to the wall?

00:41:29.760 And he's like, well, no, it's not because of that. 0.68

00:41:33.440 These just happen to be, for whatever reason, don't know what that is, but for whatever reason,

00:41:38.400 those happen to be the 50 most prolific criminals in the town.

00:41:42.680 That's why I'm doing it.

00:41:43.800 What are the odds?

00:41:44.800 Yeah, I mean, I'm doing my job.

00:41:46.220 I don't know how that happened, but, you know, obviously, you know, bizarre things can happen if you play them out enough times.

00:41:53.020 And basically, the senior officer was horrified by this and made him take them down right then himself.

00:42:01.840 Right there and then.

00:42:02.780 He said, you take those down right now.

00:42:04.960 And this guy was saying that despite the fact that he was a high achiever and his stats and whatever,

00:42:09.200 blah, blah, blah, blah, stats, stats, I didn't really pay attention to that.

00:42:11.660 But anyway.

00:42:12.140 It was angel or hot falls levels of police.

00:42:15.080 But high performance.

00:42:16.000 He said, from that moment on, my career stopped.

00:42:19.580 Right.

00:42:20.220 And from then on, and he eventually had gotten out by the time I had this conversation.

00:42:23.820 And like I said, this was a good 15 years ago.

00:42:25.820 Right.

00:42:26.500 And he was saying, yeah, after that, I watched again and again as less capable, less qualified people were promoted above me.

00:42:34.860 So what I'm saying is the police have designed a system where you cannot have baseness at the top.

00:42:42.200 You have to have appeasers.

00:42:43.740 You have to have people who implicitly understand your job is to make sure that multiculturalism is not exposed. 0.84

00:42:53.600 And what I think this West Midlands Police did.

00:42:55.180 Whilst policing multiculturalism day in, day out. 0.75

00:42:57.900 Yes.

00:42:58.140 I think what this West Midlands Police did is exactly what was expected of him.

00:43:03.960 And the funny thing is, as well, lots of people in the police, I spoke to people in multiple different police forces across the country and figured out basically the mood of lots of them.

00:43:14.940 Loads of them privately don't believe in any of this stuff and go along with it.

00:43:19.020 Because the reality of their day to day is we're coming across the same type of people.

00:43:24.620 And, you know, particularly, you know, if it's a black person stopped in a car, for example, they're going to be like, you pull me over because I'm because you're racist. 0.74

00:43:32.740 I'm going to file a complaint against you.

00:43:35.060 And they say that it does make their job more difficult because their higher ups put lots of rakes out for them to step on.

00:43:42.540 Because at the end of the day, they're looking at it from their perspective of, well, I'm going to do everything in my power to prove to, you know, the benevolent, politically correct lords that we've got to appease that I have tried to sort of worm out every single person that could possibly have a problem with this order.

00:44:04.560 Yeah.

00:44:05.200 The DEI as a doctrine.

00:44:06.920 But the problem is that the reality of the situation is also the thing that is reinforcing these ideas to the people on the ground because they're just like, hang on a minute.

00:44:16.560 This is like the ninth person today of this demographic background that's done this sort of thing.

00:44:22.280 This is obviously a pattern.

00:44:25.260 Yes.

00:44:25.600 But they can't voice these patterns.

00:44:28.060 And it's a pattern that doesn't quite require Sherlock Holmes.

00:44:32.140 It doesn't.

00:44:32.860 It just requires two functioning sets of eyes.

00:44:35.640 Yes.

00:44:35.960 I quite enjoy the image of Sherlock Holmes going up against the woke police establishment, to be honest with you.

00:44:42.840 I think there's definitely a novel in there, modern retelling.

00:44:46.380 Yeah.

00:44:46.760 I mean, essentially what I'm saying is the system itself is broken here.

00:44:53.060 Yeah.

00:44:53.220 I mean, look, if you want a better governing doctrine, it starts with learning what the faults of the system are and how you can improve it.

00:45:04.500 And I cannot recommend a better way of doing that than Buying Islander magazine, which is available on our website for $14.99.

00:45:10.600 Excellent edition.

00:45:11.880 Many good articles in there.

00:45:13.820 Buy it now.

00:45:14.580 Anyway, moving back to it, policing in Britain is pure state capacity at this point.

00:45:22.080 It's the reason the reason why you basically shunted off these and hold no water for whatever.

00:45:31.140 I'm not I'm neutral on Israel.

00:45:32.500 So that doesn't matter.

00:45:33.100 But they shunted off the Israelis because it was easier than dealing with the Muslims. 1.00

00:45:38.340 Yes.

00:45:38.560 And that's and that's what it is.

00:45:40.500 So equality before the law.

00:45:42.660 But also, if I may just say as well, perhaps that shunting off of the Israelis is a liberty and concern for the safety of the Israelis that would not have been extended to average, you know, white working class England. 0.93

00:45:57.440 Possibly.

00:45:58.240 Possibly.

00:45:58.700 Yeah, if they had intelligence that it was the white working class population is going to be attacked, possibly they would just ignore.

00:46:03.780 There is a there is a curious question, which I haven't quite got my head around.

00:46:07.760 But what why does what politicians only seem to care when it's one particular group?

00:46:12.860 I don't know.

00:46:13.720 I don't know.

00:46:14.200 I don't get that.

00:46:15.480 I mean, I touched on this a little bit on Tuesday where the was it was his name? 0.96

00:46:21.600 Al Fattah or whatever, this Egyptian activist who'd put out loads of posts talking about how he wants to not only kill all white people, but also Jewish people as well.

00:46:32.600 And, you know, betting man can guess which one, which very small minority of the population, the state journalists, you know, career politicians talked about whilst the white majority, you know, you never would have known that had you not gone on Twitter or seen maybe one post by Robert Jenrick, who only posted that after he got heckled for talking about, you know, anti-Semitism rather than hang on a minute.

00:46:59.980 We're still a white majority country here.

00:47:02.480 How about, you know, you address the majority concern that this guy hates the people that have granted him citizenship?

00:47:09.820 I mean, it kind of ties into the whole theme that equality before the law has become obsolete.

00:47:16.960 I mean, it's anachronistic.

00:47:18.200 It can't it can't do equality before the law. 0.62

00:47:20.340 There's no such thing anymore, is there?

00:47:21.920 It's long gone.

00:47:23.360 All it can do is assess asymmetric threats.

00:47:27.020 And what I mean by that is that if one population is willing to be more violent than the other, then, of course, you cannot have symmetrical policing.

00:47:34.780 You're going to have to do it because, you know, let's say that we had a I mean, not that you could ever get a base chief constable.

00:47:41.780 I mean, it's structurally designed where that couldn't be done.

00:47:44.060 But even if you did, you've still got the capacity issue of the fifth column in your population is so large. 0.99

00:47:53.620 You're going to need a lot more officers if you want to do proper policing.

00:47:58.100 If you want to say, no, we're doing the bloody match and we're going to we're going to flood the zone.

00:48:03.580 And if anyone is acting up, we're going to go after them.

00:48:06.200 If anyone is hoarding weapons in a building of some description, you know, whatever that building might be, whatever it's used for.

00:48:13.940 Yeah, we're going to investigate that and we're going to tackle it and we're going to deal with it.

00:48:17.060 Violates every single multicultural assumption that we have.

00:48:20.640 And honestly, what that clip did is it just pissed me off that politicians are acting shocked.

00:48:26.980 Yeah.

00:48:27.480 Why the hell are you acting shocked?

00:48:29.120 Yeah.

00:48:29.260 Well, there was a time in British history where the opportunity to flush out criminals was actually taken with a certain degree of glee from the police.

00:48:39.700 Because, you know, if there's some sort of event going on, like back in the day, maybe there was a large fair coming to town where there'd be lots of people to maybe steal from and it flushes out the criminals.

00:48:51.340 Well, that's a great opportunity for the police to catch them and then lower the overall rate of crime.

00:48:55.660 So in an ideal scenario, these sorts of events that are inevitably going to crop up should be used as nets to scoop up people that would otherwise be causing problems.

00:49:06.580 But instead, they're doing the opposite and they're appeasing these people.

00:49:10.320 We saw the same thing in the Southport riots when they were saying, please put your weapons in your mosque when they were arresting white British people for social media posts at the same time.

00:49:22.000 And so it's obvious that there is this differential treatment.

00:49:26.500 And it's because they're afraid because the Muslims are far more willing to be violent, both in terms of explosives with sharp weapons. 1.00

00:49:34.760 And therefore they get policed differently. 0.97

00:49:36.480 They do.

00:49:37.100 And they defer to them in a way.

00:49:39.100 They treat them better because they know that if they antagonize them, then they will do something.

00:49:44.680 Well, their engagements with us are antagonistic.

00:49:47.460 Their engagements with them are apologetic.

00:49:49.880 They're appeasing them, really.

00:49:50.900 They're giving them power by also differentially policing us.

00:49:56.480 But I think we've got ourselves in a system where the system of Britain, the way it's governed, can only produce outcomes that violates everybody's moral intuition.

00:50:09.020 And it carries on doing it anyway because it cannot reform itself.

00:50:13.140 And speaking of reform, this is my big concern with reform coming into government soon, is I don't think they understand that they need to replace the entire governance doctrine which this country operates on.

00:50:27.320 They think they can just change the managers.

00:50:29.000 And that is wrong, and I'll try and explain why that's wrong, is because managers do not – managers operate within a remit of rules, right?

00:50:39.200 And I've done some business consultancy and VC work where I've gone into businesses.

00:50:43.640 And a common problem that I identify when I go into them is that you have people sitting at the director level of the organization who don't actually understand what a director is.

00:50:53.980 A director is not a manager plus.

00:50:55.800 But you promote people from manager to director, and they don't understand the job, and they think their job is to be a micromanager of the managers below them and anything like that.

00:51:08.120 It's not.

00:51:08.780 Your job is to set the – I mean, literally in the name, the direction.

00:51:12.360 You ought to set the remit and the doctrine of the organization which the managers then follow.

00:51:18.520 And if anything, that is the most common problem that I've ever seen going into a business.

00:51:22.660 I don't think the forum understands this.

00:51:26.040 I don't think they understand they need to change the whole governance doctrine.

00:51:30.120 It has to be – they need to be able to define which outcomes are allowed, which outcomes are pursued, which risks are career-ending.

00:51:40.640 And even as something as simple – and I think one of you hinted at this earlier with your police story – it's just establish what can be named.

00:51:52.660 Simple as that.

00:51:53.920 What can be named?

00:51:55.020 Because at the moment, all of these problems – I mean, we talked to them, but nobody within the hierarchy of the power structure or the systems of this country can name any of them.

00:52:03.120 And also, you know, the police should be able to identify the patterns that we identify of who's committing the crimes.

00:52:09.820 Because we know that it's largely people from sub-Saharan Africa in ethnicity and the Middle East in the European context in particular.

00:52:20.120 And that's what the data suggests.

00:52:23.920 That's what our exposure to the news story suggests.

00:52:26.660 That's what personal anecdotes suggest.

00:52:29.060 And yet you can't address this effectively, and they're actually – they have their hands tied addressing the source of the problems because, of course, it looks bad.

00:52:38.000 But there's a very succinct way of describing the problem that you've got there that reform are going to face, which is you can replace a node in a system, but the system still functions as it does, right?

00:52:49.580 You can replace all the components, but the structure of the system will still remain the same.

00:52:54.060 Yeah, don't change nodes, change protocols.

00:52:55.380 Well, you know, just as an example as well, this entire drive for diversity within the British police force is all – or at least it's sold on the proposition that, well, we need greater diversity in the police force because certain communities want to be policed by people who look like them.

00:53:13.840 It's like, okay, well, all the more reason why they shouldn't be here in the first place.

00:53:18.900 It's just an extra reason.

00:53:20.620 If they refused to be policed by British people in Britain, then, again, that's a pretty damning indictment of them, and it's as you say.

00:53:30.640 But reform aren't going to deal with that.

00:53:32.420 They're going to bring in, you know, a tougher, you know, superintendent, whatever it might be.

00:53:38.740 They're not going to address the fact that you have entire communities in our cities that are actively opposed to being policed at all.

00:53:49.060 Yeah.

00:53:49.360 I mean, I'll end on this anecdote.

00:53:51.400 Just before this – we're doing a roundtable later this afternoon.

00:53:54.480 Just before this – we did this podcast, one of our editors came to see me, and he said, look, he's making the thumbnail for that roundtable, and he's reviewed his entire photo log, and he can't find a serious photo – a single photo of me looking serious.

00:54:12.880 And I said, well, yeah, but that's because this country has been so absurd for so long that it easily predates my working with the Lotus Eaters. 0.63

00:54:22.060 I just can't take this stuff seriously. 0.98

00:54:25.080 It's an absolute clown show, top and bottom.

00:54:28.400 And yet we've now got politicians pretending that they're shocked because exactly the thing they designed happened. 0.50

00:54:36.300 I don't know.

00:54:37.540 Anyway, we'll leave it there.

00:54:40.500 According to 141Paladin for generous £20,

00:54:47.020 Hey, Dan, I saw your Brokonomics talk on AI.

00:54:49.900 My tech friend tells me that because they get substandard foreign programmers and obsessively use AI, they have increasingly bad programs. 0.99

00:54:58.720 Yes, well, I suppose that's on your tech friend's bosses for hiring the wrong people, I guess.

00:55:05.060 I've been looking into that, actually, and it's so very widespread.

00:55:08.280 It's like the – finally, tech has been opened up to the third world, and we're going to be increasingly frustrated.

00:55:15.900 We're going to see the current times where my laptop mostly functions, although I did have to restart it at the beginning of this podcast,

00:55:23.760 as a sort of golden age, and things are only going to get worse in that respect because they're going to have infinite Indians and infinite AI working on it. 1.00

00:55:32.720 Well, and now, I mean, literally, I mean, to the point where I could get a programming job.

00:55:36.940 I don't have anything about programming, but I could get a programming role.

00:55:40.040 So, obviously, everybody in a hut in Malaysia is going to do that, right? 0.99

00:55:45.180 And the problem is with somebody who doesn't know any programming is you could – AI is good enough that you can get away with it most of the time until it doesn't work,

00:55:53.340 and then you won't have a clue what to do.

00:55:55.040 I mean, if your code is 98% perfect, it's still not good enough.

00:56:00.400 Yes.

00:56:01.740 Luke Saint 91 says, we don't want them here.

00:56:07.420 Brush them somewhere else.

00:56:08.960 Australia already has its own problems with these people on the bright side.

00:56:12.560 Prime Minister has decided he wants to do a royal commission now.

00:56:16.860 I saw that about anti-Semitism, isn't it?

00:56:19.720 Yes, we do need a new Australia, somewhere we can take criminals to.

00:56:24.300 I don't know, maybe Madagascar or something, I don't know.

00:56:26.380 Greenland.

00:56:27.280 I hear it's going to have new ownership soon. 0.99

00:56:29.380 Get shot of them. 0.93

00:56:30.540 Send them all there. 1.00

00:56:31.420 There must be someone.

00:56:32.700 These are some patriotic America.

00:56:34.120 There you are, Mr. Trump.

00:56:36.400 I'm joking, of course.

00:56:38.760 I need my memorabilia.

00:56:40.640 Ah.

00:56:41.680 Thank you.

00:56:44.880 So, in November of 2026, which is this year now, there is going to be a new governor in Florida.

00:56:53.040 I'm not going to call it a gubernatorial election, because gubernatorial is a silly word.

00:56:59.000 But Ron DeSantis, presumably, is not seeking re-election.

00:57:02.520 I've not seen anything about it.

00:57:04.500 And, presumably, that means that someone can step up into his position and assume quite a powerful seat in American politics.

00:57:12.200 And I'm going to use this race as a sort of commentary on the shifting nature of the American right, because there's a person, who I'm going to talk about in a little bit, who doesn't seem to tie in particularly nicely with the current order. 0.99

00:57:27.160 Can I just say, I'm really surprised about this, because it wasn't that long ago that Ron DeSantis was the shit. 0.99

00:57:33.120 I know. 0.99

00:57:33.800 He did still do a good job as governor.

00:57:36.860 There's no doubt about that.

00:57:38.100 It's because he went up against Trump, didn't he, and he lost a bit of support.

00:57:42.980 And I don't know what he's going to go on to.

00:57:44.640 He's probably got some bright future ahead of him, because I think, privately, him and Trump probably do get on.

00:57:53.280 But that's besides the point, because at the minute, the two people that are being discussed to potentially replace him are Casey DeSantis, his wife, who is interesting, sort of very dynastic.

00:58:06.900 But also Byron Donalds, who's got the Trump endorsement, which if you're, you know, somewhat of a detective, is the person on the right there, just in case you needed it pointed out.

00:58:20.520 And DeSantis did say in February of last year that his wife is not seeking the governor bid.

00:58:28.460 So maybe people are getting ahead of themselves.

00:58:32.080 So the two people before were the people who were likely to get the...

00:58:36.720 Well, that's DeSantis' wife, who people were speculating might run, but she's not said anything.

00:58:47.780 And who's the other guy?

00:58:49.260 I have that one.

00:58:50.480 And he is Byron Donalds, who is...

00:58:54.940 That is a high-maintenance haircut.

00:58:57.060 I mean, how often does he get his haircut?

00:58:59.080 A lot, by the way.

00:59:00.180 Hourly?

00:59:01.620 That alone should disqualify him, I think.

00:59:04.480 Too focused on his barber.

00:59:05.820 But anyway, there is another person that is being discussed, perhaps the most discussed, despite Trump endorsing someone else.

00:59:16.360 And it is this guy.

00:59:19.620 So he's called James Fishback.

00:59:22.140 And he was born in 1995, which makes him, you know, almost the same age as me.

00:59:27.560 We were born in the same year.

00:59:28.620 And so this is a much younger man.

00:59:32.600 And it's interesting what his politics are.

00:59:35.940 In fact, it sort of sounds like many of the things that he's saying here, whether you believe him or not, he's still a politician, don't forget,

00:59:43.040 sound like things that we might have said.

00:59:45.440 And I found this particularly interesting because this is, you know, he's running as a Republican.

00:59:51.800 This is very, very different than what Trump would want as a governor doing.

00:59:57.720 It's different than anything Ron DeSantis would have done.

00:59:59.800 That's true.

01:00:00.500 As Florida governor, I will divest the entire $385 million currently invested in Israeli government bonds and launch a $385 million down payment assistance program to help married Florida couples buy their first home.

01:00:16.280 Which, to my ears, if I were a Floridian, I'd say that sounds pretty good.

01:00:21.540 Sounds like a more efficient use of resources to me.

01:00:24.400 Sounds like putting Florida first.

01:00:25.940 It does.

01:00:27.240 What an idea.

01:00:28.180 I think getting people on the housing market is probably a good idea, particularly considering how difficult it is because it's the only thing that marches forward.

01:00:36.940 That's proper Zuma Waffen stuff. 0.99

01:00:38.800 I like this.

01:00:39.360 I mean, he's a millennial, though, isn't he?

01:00:40.940 Yeah, same as me.

01:00:41.300 We can forgive him for that, though.

01:00:43.120 We can't choose when we're born.

01:00:44.780 No.

01:00:46.180 Yes, he's a 1995er like myself.

01:00:48.520 So, you know, it's a good year, vintage year.

01:00:50.660 And the funny thing is, he posted this, and then the Israeli state media and Netanyahu said they were most concerned about him running.

01:01:03.140 I'm sure they are.

01:01:04.660 And, yeah, he said, I am not suicidal.

01:01:08.300 And they called him a threat to USAID to Israel.

01:01:12.040 Oh, this whole thing is blowing up America, isn't it?

01:01:15.720 And look at how well it did.

01:01:18.360 Have you ever heard of a governor or even, you know, a potential governor do this well?

01:01:21.980 So I saw this tweet, but I didn't have the context.

01:01:24.920 So what the hell is he talking about?

01:01:26.380 But, okay, this makes a lot of sense now.

01:01:28.800 Yes.

01:01:29.920 But this sort of thing was unprecedented before, isn't it?

01:01:33.120 And because of the split within the right in America between the neocons, I'll do anything for Israel lobby and this.

01:01:42.180 Honestly, as recent as 18 months ago, if you were on the right, you could not go anywhere near this.

01:01:49.340 Yeah.

01:01:50.020 No, absolutely.

01:01:51.180 But, no, the landscape has shifted.

01:01:53.540 It's easier to talk about this sort of thing.

01:01:55.280 Well, what's more as well, the groundwork is laid perfectly because Ron DeSantis has done such a good job of cementing Florida as a red state.

01:02:06.700 But, obviously, we saw that this guy has not got Trump's endorsement, right?

01:02:11.160 Brian Donalds has got it.

01:02:12.380 So I suspect his politics are a little different.

01:02:15.460 The guy with the austere haircut.

01:02:16.660 Yes.

01:02:17.120 We'll be getting to him, don't worry.

01:02:19.020 Yeah, but all this to say that it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if, running off of this style of politics...

01:02:28.060 This is very new.

01:02:28.800 ...Fishback doesn't, you know, end up hoovering up a bunch of Bernie bro voters and, you know, those from the left as well.

01:02:34.660 He's become the most talked about candidate by far by using this sort of rhetoric.

01:02:40.800 And as soon as people cotton on, or maybe he already has, that, wow, this actually makes me quite popular, talking in these sorts of terms.

01:02:47.600 Cuts through.

01:02:48.000 And all of a sudden, this is going to be, dare I say, the new normal of American right-wing politics.

01:02:54.720 But I tell you what also doesn't fund Israel, Islander Magazine.

01:03:01.280 The new edition is out, Islander No. 5, and it is another beautiful edition, created by Rory.

01:03:07.080 It has all the big names in, as it normally does.

01:03:10.080 It is a physical piece of media.

01:03:11.620 It will never be expunged from the internet.

01:03:13.480 You can own this forever, and you will be happy.

01:03:16.340 It even has a comic in this one, a short comic strip.

01:03:20.420 And all of it is beautiful.

01:03:21.800 I've not had a chance to read any of the articles yet, because I only got it a couple of days ago.

01:03:25.800 But you should pick it up before it sells out.

01:03:28.000 Anyway, with that out of the way, here's another one.

01:03:33.660 So he's just talking about this sort of thing quite openly, which I find interesting.

01:03:38.960 Again, it's doing quite well.

01:03:40.340 I'll be the first to admit that I fell for that Israel is our greatest ally scam, and that 1.00

01:03:44.960 the lie that criticising Israel is anti-Semitic.

01:03:47.500 It wasn't until I was offered a paid trip to Israel this summer, which I never took, that 0.95

01:03:51.760 I realised how cringing and pathetic the propaganda was. 0.85

01:03:54.620 I'll never pretend to be someone I'm not. 0.89

01:03:56.520 I don't delete old tweets.

01:03:57.720 You deserve to see how my views have changed over time.

01:04:00.460 I haven't been offered...

01:04:01.380 Where's my seven grand?

01:04:03.220 Yeah, I've...

01:04:03.860 Have you been offered it?

01:04:04.620 I haven't.

01:04:05.260 I'm sort of annoyed.

01:04:07.340 You, Luca?

01:04:08.680 No.

01:04:09.780 Maybe it's the wrong address.

01:04:11.800 If you want to give me a free holiday, Israel's not the top of my list. 1.00

01:04:15.480 But if, you know, you can send money maybe to the Caribbean somewhere.

01:04:20.180 Somewhere nice and sunny.

01:04:21.140 It's winter at the minute.

01:04:21.920 It's icy outside.

01:04:23.380 But anyway, he's also said things like this, where he just says white lives matter.

01:04:30.640 It's nice.

01:04:31.300 I agree, James.

01:04:32.320 I agree.

01:04:33.040 It is nice to hear this. 0.95

01:04:35.700 White genocide is real. 0.89

01:04:37.680 And we need to stop pretending it's not.

01:04:40.480 And then he shared a screenshot, which also includes someone saying, where are the white 0.95

01:04:45.000 people being killed?

01:04:46.040 And then someone else says, trains, subways, minority neighbourhoods, school track meets.

01:04:51.000 I am seriously tempted to move to Florida just so I could vote for this guy.

01:04:55.680 But it's nice to see this sort of thing being said, because beforehand it was people in podcasts saying this sort of thing and not actual people running for office.

01:05:08.580 It goes to show the awesome power of being on a podcast, doesn't it?

01:05:12.700 Why would you want to demote yourself down to the level of being a politician when you can have this much power and set the narrative?

01:05:20.560 Everyone seems to talk about politicians being controlled by other people, but really it's podcasters.

01:05:26.600 Yes.

01:05:26.700 But that's the original tweet there, which also did very well.

01:05:31.580 6.3 million views.

01:05:33.720 He's cutting through quite a lot for someone who is not necessarily regime endorsed.

01:05:39.480 I really...

01:05:40.060 Front regime, that is.

01:05:40.720 To be honest with you, I do really want, you know, Brian Donalds to try and match...

01:05:44.740 Brian Donalds' white genocide is real.

01:05:47.200 Byron Donalds.

01:05:48.040 Byron Donalds.

01:05:48.480 You're anglicising him.

01:05:49.740 Oh, dear me.

01:05:50.800 Well, I'll bet it's not that.

01:05:51.700 I'm going to see him in the next one.

01:05:52.480 He's going to be white. 0.94

01:05:53.080 So, here we go.

01:05:55.920 The great replacement of Americans is real. 0.99

01:05:57.840 I'm running for governor to stop and reverse it.

01:06:01.060 That's pretty bold.

01:06:02.200 I'm very impressed so far.

01:06:03.720 Mm-hmm.

01:06:05.320 So, here is another one.

01:06:08.640 I'm running for Florida governor because we need re-migration now, re-migration tomorrow, re-migration forever. 1.00

01:06:16.920 I'm turning on Banderas, you know.

01:06:20.440 Oh, it's incredible.

01:06:21.440 It's nice to see this sort of thing.

01:06:23.480 Not that I'm smug or anything.

01:06:25.000 We spent years saying, why don't politicians just do this?

01:06:28.900 And then...

01:06:29.180 Look how popular you can become.

01:06:30.920 And now a politician is just doing this.

01:06:33.240 Mm-hmm.

01:06:33.940 I mean, we saw it with Rupert Lowe, didn't we?

01:06:36.720 Yeah.

01:06:36.980 He's now, you know, amongst the right, one of the best regarded people in parliament.

01:06:42.900 Yeah.

01:06:43.320 Certainly, in my opinion.

01:06:45.460 And it will work.

01:06:46.140 In the bright future of Florida, there is only re-migration. 1.00

01:06:48.940 That's essentially what he's saying.

01:06:51.920 It's nice to see.

01:06:53.300 New GTA is going to be great.

01:06:54.600 And this is like it's taken straight from our very mouths.

01:06:57.460 The neocons and the line-go-up Republicans must be fired and replaced with America First Patriots.

01:07:03.480 Line-go-up.

01:07:04.420 That is from our sphere.

01:07:06.960 That's what we say, right?

01:07:09.180 Yeah.

01:07:09.660 It's just our language being used.

01:07:12.900 It's nice.

01:07:13.800 Thank you.

01:07:14.580 Have we checked our database to see if he's a subscriber?

01:07:17.420 If you're watching this, good work.

01:07:20.380 But no, that is perfectly on point.

01:07:23.160 Yes, the neocons and the line-go-up Republicans are the ones driving many of the problems.

01:07:27.960 And that you need to put the United States above this, particularly the aid to specific nations outside of your continent.

01:07:38.520 And this was also a very good idea.

01:07:41.660 How about banning Blackstone from buying single-family homes?

01:07:44.820 As governor, I will.

01:07:46.220 In Florida, homes are for families, not private equity.

01:07:49.320 Great thing that's pushing up the price of houses unnecessarily.

01:07:53.140 Good idea.

01:07:54.820 Unequivocally pro-citizenry over international capital.

01:07:59.780 Once again.

01:08:00.620 It's so sensible. 0.61

01:08:02.120 You'd look like a madman, you know, to say we shouldn't do this.

01:08:07.640 We shouldn't follow this road.

01:08:08.940 What a contrast between the last segment, the one that I did, about the system is incapable of producing good results.

01:08:14.140 And you've got a place of the doctrine.

01:08:16.060 This is the doctrine.

01:08:17.260 This is the new doctrine that will make things work.

01:08:19.280 And the interesting thing is that his main competitor at the minute, Byron Donalds, came to America, or Florida, I don't know which one it is, 18 years old, and managed to get himself arrested twice in three years.

01:08:34.740 And also, because he's in Congress at the minute, increased the felony theft threshold from 300 to 1,000.

01:08:41.360 And as a black guy, I feel like being tied to theft and crime is perhaps not the best thing to help your ticket.

01:08:48.800 I don't know.

01:08:50.180 I don't think it's a vote.

01:08:51.180 Well, maybe it is a vote winner among some constituents, but not what I'm thinking.

01:08:56.040 They are still a minority in Florida.

01:08:57.660 You can't see it, but my head is cycling through multiple comments.

01:09:00.500 So many comments.

01:09:01.340 And every single one of those...

01:09:03.120 No, you can't say that on the podcast.

01:09:05.040 Yeah.

01:09:06.220 And another thing that Byron Donalds did was call for the persecution of the January 6th protester who was just taking a photo of himself at Pelosi's lectern.

01:09:17.340 Not even one of the ones that was attacking the Capitol Police.

01:09:20.680 Someone who was just in the building, taking pictures.

01:09:24.620 One of the people probably staying between the velvet lines or the ropes.

01:09:27.840 Oh, you mean one of those guys that asked the police, can we come in, and we're told yes?

01:09:33.860 Mm-hmm.

01:09:34.280 Oh, I see.

01:09:35.200 Okay, yeah, prosecute them.

01:09:36.420 And the difference here is on January 6th of this year, it's January 6th.

01:09:41.820 Five years ago, we witnessed a peaceful protest that was willfully distorted to politically persecute innocent Americans.

01:09:47.660 I'm running for Florida governor to protect our justice system from political persecution.

01:09:52.220 That's perfectly framed to galvanize the Republican base.

01:09:55.920 Because the Republican base don't really want to throw lots of the January 6th under the bus.

01:10:01.920 And in fact, Trump pardoned them.

01:10:04.660 So even this is more in keeping with the sort of spirit of Trump's will, talking about it.

01:10:11.400 I love the clarity on this.

01:10:12.760 There's none of the ambiguity and the hedging.

01:10:17.160 This is moral consistency.

01:10:19.660 But I've not given you the best one yet, so don't read the caption, just watch the video.

01:10:25.980 There is a fork in the road.

01:10:29.220 I told that to Vivek, and he said, what's a fork?

01:10:31.860 But look, it's weird.

01:10:42.500 We're all wearing shoes.

01:10:43.680 It's weird.

01:10:44.540 We do that in our country.

01:10:47.440 We wear shoes.

01:10:49.560 It would be weird.

01:10:51.340 God, it's a good job of Vivek on Twitter, isn't it?

01:10:53.740 He didn't see that.

01:10:57.780 So he's also seemingly got some charisma as well.

01:11:01.020 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:11:01.440 And some meme ability, which carries you far in this day and age.

01:11:04.380 And teasing Vivek, who obviously has lost a lot of favour amongst Republicans these days

01:11:09.580 for being very condescending and talking down to Americans.

01:11:14.080 And he looks like American Psycho, but I think that's also a point in his favour, possibly.

01:11:18.800 The Floridian Psycho.

01:11:20.400 So another thing which caught my interest was, yes, in this same event where he was talking

01:11:30.660 to people who supported him, he laid out his proposal to end homelessness if elected, and

01:11:36.660 he said, on day one, I'm deploying the National Guard all over Florida to clean up our streets

01:11:41.100 and remove the homeless.

01:11:43.920 Which, interesting turn of phrase there, remove the homeless.

01:11:48.260 Wonder what's going to happen.

01:11:49.140 Well, to be fair, that's just copying Gavin Newsom's policy, isn't it?

01:11:53.820 Whenever the Chinese pop over to California. 1.00

01:11:55.900 Except without waiting for the Chinese dictation to come over.

01:11:59.820 It's also worth mentioning as well that this isn't all just in my head.

01:12:03.660 His video, which announced his campaign for governor, got 7 million views.

01:12:09.480 And for someone who I hadn't heard of him until his campaign took off, it's gone rather quickly,

01:12:18.360 I would say.

01:12:19.420 And he's got till November.

01:12:21.120 Of this year.

01:12:21.940 Yeah, to keep snowballing it.

01:12:23.720 So, if nothing else, even if he doesn't win, I think it can snowball into a career in politics here.

01:12:30.760 Just whether the Trump administration is going to work very hard to keep him out,

01:12:34.440 because I imagine some key allies of Donald Trump are not going to like some of his lines about certain things.

01:12:40.500 But your kids are going to love it.

01:12:44.760 Exactly.

01:12:45.460 Perfect.

01:12:46.100 Back to the future reference there.

01:12:48.140 And here's another thing.

01:12:50.160 He's saying, talking about H1Bs, he's saying, talking about young Americans, 0.99

01:12:54.620 they fear they won't ever get a great paying job, because Google, Amazon, Meta, and Apple

01:12:58.320 are importing Indians to replace them. 1.00

01:13:01.840 Perfect.

01:13:02.700 Yes.

01:13:03.380 Very true.

01:13:04.800 And he's also been on Tucker recently, which is only going to help amplify him.

01:13:10.280 Tucker's looking very old there, isn't he?

01:13:11.580 Everyone was talking about that.

01:13:12.580 He looks a bit gaunt.

01:13:13.560 McConnell-y, sort of, isn't he?

01:13:15.380 The neck there. 0.96

01:13:17.280 Maybe he's sucked a lemon shortly before.

01:13:19.520 But it's interesting.

01:13:21.340 As well as this, and I thought this was very interesting,

01:13:24.720 that he just says, agreed, to Nick Fuentes.

01:13:27.460 Not afraid to do that.

01:13:29.620 Which is interesting.

01:13:31.240 But don't get too excited, because there are some things that haven't been...

01:13:36.220 There are some things that are unresolved or questionable, perhaps.

01:13:42.740 There was this from NBC.

01:13:44.260 Florida School District cut ties with GOP candidate James Fishback in 2022

01:13:50.260 over sexual misconduct allegations.

01:13:52.700 So you think, oh no.

01:13:54.620 This is unfortunate.

01:13:55.540 But he points out that that same school was posting about him and his organisation in 2025.

01:14:07.340 And apparently it's nothing to do with that, and it's just a false claim.

01:14:10.400 That's what he says.

01:14:11.220 But it's a potential shadow over him that could affect him.

01:14:14.780 They did this to break Captain Arthur.

01:14:16.860 Yeah.

01:14:17.680 I'm not saying it's legit, but because he's just new on the scene, we don't know yet.

01:14:23.360 So I'm just telling people to look into it.

01:14:26.000 Sure.

01:14:26.160 And there's also some other things.

01:14:28.680 There are people attacking him here, saying that actually he's attacking Vivek, but he's posted before.

01:14:37.000 Or, you know, I'm honoured to feature in Team Vivek community.

01:14:42.420 Great read on why I founded the debate thing.

01:14:44.540 But then that could just be him.

01:14:46.280 He's got this organisation.

01:14:47.660 He's saying, thank you for working with me.

01:14:49.640 It doesn't necessarily mean he was endorsing him.

01:14:53.380 To be fair, Vivek looked alright a few years ago.

01:14:56.280 Yeah.

01:14:57.400 But there are lots of people saying that he's just grifting and it's not genuine because he's changed his mind.

01:15:02.220 I'll leave that up to people in the audience to make up their minds about.

01:15:05.400 Even if it is a grift, though, it sets an expectation for voters for the sorts of policies.

01:15:12.720 That's exactly why I did this segment in the first place.

01:15:15.400 Regardless of what you think of his character or whether it's genuine,

01:15:18.220 the fact that this is being said, it's doing well and it's for a pretty important position in American politics

01:15:24.940 is a very telling thing that wouldn't have happened even five years ago.

01:15:30.820 And this seems to be the direction in which part of American politics is going,

01:15:35.940 regardless of what Trump or the Democrats want.

01:15:39.280 And it does seem to be resonating with people in a way that the neocon right-wing talking points simply aren't.

01:15:48.220 And there are a few other things here.

01:15:52.840 Apparently, he was endorsing H1Bs at one point. 0.68

01:15:57.140 This is the Vivek thing where he's talking about the American culture which prizes jocks over nerds.

01:16:03.800 That one, which, you know, Harry rightfully mocked when it came out.

01:16:10.180 And I don't know what he's exactly agreeing with there because there's lots of different things.

01:16:15.680 Yeah, but again, it's two years ago.

01:16:16.860 I mean, this guy is, I mean, he was only born in 1995.

01:16:20.180 He's a young lad.

01:16:21.380 Oh, thank you.

01:16:22.180 Yes.

01:16:22.960 I mean, even at bloody my age, I'm still changing my views from two years ago.

01:16:27.620 I mean, that's just normal.

01:16:29.140 I mean, this doesn't show necessarily there's anything wrong.

01:16:32.200 It just shows he's evolving.

01:16:33.840 Well, where do you go from here?

01:16:35.640 I mean, you're already based enough, are you not?

01:16:37.140 How do you get more based?

01:16:38.020 Oh, just glowing with baseness.

01:16:41.120 I would hope.

01:16:41.960 And there's also someone here, notice the commonality in some of their names, talking about how he owes money to the courts, a quarter of a million against him and his personal assets and failures to repay loans.

01:16:58.800 And he's got some sort of thing here.

01:17:00.860 It does seem to be legit.

01:17:04.340 But at the same time, it depends what you make of this.

01:17:08.220 Because maybe he's not very good with his own finances because there was a business related thing.

01:17:13.700 There's not necessarily an explanation.

01:17:16.240 But many business people that I've known that have been very wealthy out of the end of it went through periods of time when they're in large amounts of debt on paper.

01:17:24.600 But then they had the assets to pay for it.

01:17:26.480 Who knows what the situation is, but it's something that people have been pulling up.

01:17:29.960 And apparently, US Marshals have repoed his Tesla because he owes over 200k in civil penalties.

01:17:41.620 I don't know what this is all about.

01:17:43.240 But I just wanted to bring this up as a sort of bit of transparency because I don't want to just seem like I'm a cheerleader of this guy.

01:17:51.980 I'm bringing him up because of the rhetoric he's voicing, not because I think, you know, this is the guy.

01:17:58.220 Yeah, no, stop that.

01:18:00.040 I'm cheerleading him.

01:18:00.940 This is the guy.

01:18:02.820 I mean, a lot of what he said, if that's going to translate into action in office, then I would support him over the other alternatives.

01:18:11.680 But I need to wait and see about his credibility as a person, see how he comes back against these sorts of attacks on him and whether he can weather these things.

01:18:21.400 Because you can also have a good candidate who says the right things, but they can't handle criticism very well.

01:18:26.840 They look bad in the media and therefore they can't get as much done.

01:18:30.520 That's still an important aspect of it.

01:18:32.320 So I wouldn't encourage anyone to, you know, get too ahead of themselves.

01:18:36.300 But keep an eye on it.

01:18:37.640 Wait and see what happens.

01:18:39.440 Stay informed.

01:18:40.320 And the promising thing is that this does seem to be a good line in the future of American politics.

01:18:46.600 It's good to see many of our talking points being voiced by American politicians running for pretty senior offices.

01:18:53.680 And I hope to see more of it.

01:18:57.260 Absolutely.

01:18:58.040 Rise of the Zuba Waffen. 1.00

01:18:59.920 Cool.

01:19:00.780 Shall I go through your rumble rants or do you want me to?

01:19:04.200 Yeah, if you like.

01:19:05.560 My laptop's in the way a little bit.

01:19:06.760 Right, I'll, uh, so we've got, um, oh, uh, Cranky Texan says DeSantis is term limited.

01:19:14.240 Um.

01:19:14.860 Oh, I didn't know that.

01:19:15.540 Yeah.

01:19:16.040 Uh, Logan Pye, uh, go on then, Samson, you do it.

01:19:19.260 Uh, when, uh, Trump leaves office, I truly believe that it'll be, feel like losing a king.

01:19:24.300 No one can replace him.

01:19:25.980 Um, I don't know about that.

01:19:27.600 I think that Trump has done a lot of good, but he's clearly a man who, the more that time goes on, shows his limitations.

01:19:35.320 Yeah, I don't, I don't agree with that either.

01:19:36.600 He, he was, he was a valuable catalyst.

01:19:39.260 Yeah.

01:19:39.540 He's not the end state.

01:19:40.780 Yeah.

01:19:41.540 Uh, I think also he's got JD Vance and he appointed him as his successor, seemingly.

01:19:47.520 Seemingly.

01:19:47.720 Because he's, he picked a very different person in his first term in, in Mike Pence.

01:19:53.040 And this time he's picked someone much younger, uh, much less experienced to mold him rather than to benefit from his experience.

01:20:01.600 Yeah.

01:20:02.720 Uh, uh, Bebipin, uh, Bebipin 2 says, uh, Kyle Rittenhouse was crucified for crossing a state line a few miles away, uh, where he had family and worked and defended himself from two convicted, um, Pesos.

01:20:17.560 Uh, this, uh, professional, uh, protester crossed multiple states.

01:20:21.920 Yeah.

01:20:22.280 No one cared about it.

01:20:23.480 They didn't care about it then, truthfully, and they don't care about it now.

01:20:26.980 Uh, Engaged Few just talks about, uh, the boldness of him running on a, a George Wallace sort of paraphrasing line.

01:20:33.920 Uh, Logan17pine says, as much shade as we throw at Trump, we have to thank him for breaking the blanket of taboo over the right.

01:20:42.120 Yeah, and obviously, but Trump has taboos of his own and, you know, we in turn are going to have to break those.

01:20:48.660 Uh, That's a Random Name says, for the past year or so, I've been steadily convinced that everything will pop off the moment the boomers are no longer in charge of the system and that James Fishbank seems to be living proof of this. 0.98

01:21:01.000 Well, there is definitely a, a generational, you know, gap isn't there.

01:21:05.560 I did think it was interesting that we're born in the same year and we have very similar views on things.

01:21:11.580 And, um, he also says, uh, the clip where, uh, Fishbank talks about Fuentes' followers in a positive light and then doubles down on that was very refreshing.

01:21:21.220 Interested to see if he wins, though he might get Clinton'd.

01:21:25.840 Um, well, yeah, I'll be interested to see how it develops too.

01:21:29.620 Alright, let's watch the video comments.

01:21:32.180 Given recent events, I want to recommend the movie The Wind and the Lion, which is loosely based out of the Patakaris Affair, where the warlord Razuli, played by Sean Connery, kidnaps a family of Americans and tries to leverage them over Teddy Roosevelt for diplomatic gains.

01:21:47.620 Hilarious scene in midway through the movie where the Americans get tired of dealing with the sultan of Morocco and just march a bunch of marines into the palace, parade formation, and just start shooting everybody and taking prison.

01:22:00.500 Adding it to the list.

01:22:03.780 Yeah, yeah, definitely.

01:22:04.380 It sounds really interesting.

01:22:06.520 Um, God, I would have loved to have seen Connery play the Ayatollah. 0.95

01:22:10.300 You imagine the Ayatollah just starting, oh, we should just give him a bit of a schmuck, you know. 0.99

01:22:14.340 Uh, alright, next one. 0.98

01:22:17.580 Ha ha ha.

01:22:47.580 That is a laser, aren't you?

01:22:50.920 I would read that entire novel.

01:22:53.160 I would do a Chronicles on that novel.

01:22:55.800 I really would.

01:22:56.620 That'd be terrific.

01:23:00.140 The pyramid doesn't work.

01:23:01.680 We've already tried it.

01:23:03.340 It's upside down.

01:23:05.220 What?

01:23:06.140 Sir, the pyramid is upside down.

01:23:08.620 Turn the pyramid upside down.

01:23:10.720 It can't be serious.

01:23:11.760 That would put butter and fat at the top of the... 1.00

01:23:13.260 Flip the damn food pyramid! 0.99

01:23:14.600 Get the president on the phone. 1.00

01:23:26.900 Tell him to have some steak with his butter.

01:23:32.120 Ha ha.

01:23:32.860 Very good.

01:23:34.640 Yeah, I mean, exactly that, isn't it?

01:23:36.440 Yeah.

01:23:37.180 Is that all of them, Samson?

01:23:39.280 Alright.

01:23:40.200 I'll go through some comments from my section.

01:23:42.620 Michael DeBelba says,

01:23:43.860 The voters of Minnesota need to step up and vote right,

01:23:47.360 if they want their state and country to survive.

01:23:50.120 The left are treasonous.

01:23:52.060 It doesn't matter if they call themselves Labour or Democrats. 0.84

01:23:55.920 Well, to be honest with you, Michael,

01:23:57.220 look, I share your opinion,

01:23:58.620 but I'm just concerned that when it comes to the raw numbers in Minnesota,

01:24:02.380 do most Minnesotans actually want their state and country to survive?

01:24:07.100 You know, I am a bit overwhelmed, to be honest with you,

01:24:10.140 by the sheer numbers that come out to these sorts of things across the cities.

01:24:14.640 It's really concerning.

01:24:17.440 I do wonder how much Minnesotans think about hijacking oil tankers these days.

01:24:22.280 I don't know.

01:24:23.040 Are they landlocked?

01:24:24.100 I know, that's a good thing, really.

01:24:25.620 Right.

01:24:25.800 Anne E. Moss says,

01:24:29.400 I feel for the people who lived on that street.

01:24:32.140 Already there is a makeshift altar where she was killed.

01:24:35.640 Also in Minnesota, they've closed all the schools for Thursday and Friday,

01:24:39.160 so people have more time to protest or something.

01:24:43.420 Yeah.

01:24:43.820 Lord Enquist to Hector X says,

01:24:45.500 A very funny joke that I won't repeat.

01:24:49.660 AZ Desert Rat says,

01:24:51.100 A second camera angle shows the car hitting that ICE agent.

01:24:54.180 In the U.S., cars are considered a deadly weapon when they are used to run someone over.

01:24:59.600 Yeah, absolutely.

01:25:00.480 I've seen that angle myself, Ratting.

01:25:02.100 You're right.

01:25:02.920 And then Anomaly says,

01:25:04.380 How could they be rioting in Minnesota when Palestine isn't free? 0.98

01:25:08.720 Well, they always have time to protest.

01:25:11.840 Anomaly.

01:25:13.020 Right.

01:25:13.360 Do you want to go through your comments, Dan?

01:25:14.640 Yes.

01:25:14.920 All right.

01:25:15.220 Let's have a look.

01:25:17.120 Michael, I believe, Dry Belby,

01:25:18.660 says the West Midlands PD are taking pages from Sir Mark Rowley's

01:25:22.780 Chinless, feckless, ball-ish leadership. 0.97

01:25:25.200 It's disgusting to recognise. 0.84

01:25:26.780 Police do have tools they can use to protect the public.

01:25:29.520 Yes.

01:25:30.000 Why is it that whenever you achieve a sufficient rank in any area of the British state, 0.99

01:25:36.800 you start to look more and more like an old, angry lesbian? 1.00

01:25:40.760 Or you are an old, angry lesbian? 1.00

01:25:42.960 It's sort of like, you know how certain virtues have a sort of physiognomic ideal. 0.97

01:25:49.260 The virtues of the British state select for people who look like that. 1.00

01:25:52.500 It's a sort of genetic funnel that creates more and more specific outcomes as well as time passes.

01:25:59.240 But Mark Rowley's the most, if you don't know who I'm talking about, search Mark Rowley.

01:26:02.360 He's the most lesbian-looking man you've ever seen. 0.90

01:26:04.180 Kumbrakai Kulak says, 0.95

01:26:08.540 Am I right in thinking Scotland have announced they get illegal migrants to be police? 0.99

01:26:12.900 I didn't know.

01:26:13.800 Is that true?

01:26:14.920 I have heard something along the lines of that.

01:26:17.780 I don't know who it was saying it.

01:26:19.640 I'll look into it more and I'll make it daily.

01:26:21.040 I mean, that is proper Soviet-era stuff where you empty the jails and then you fill them up with dissidents

01:26:28.700 and you use the people you just emptied out to be police.

01:26:32.920 So if they're just like, over there you go, police the old firm between Celtic and Rangers.

01:26:40.340 And then the illegal migrant is going to come back more bruised than man. 1.00

01:26:45.960 White Rider says,

01:26:47.340 Zero sympathy, they do not need to operate under that paradigm they can resist.

01:26:53.660 Yeah, but that's kind of my point.

01:26:55.360 You would not have made it past the base level if you did resist.

01:27:01.220 The whole system said,

01:27:02.660 he should have refused to be the foreman at the Red Box Factory in the first place.

01:27:06.380 Yeah, but he's not bait.

01:27:08.040 He is an enemy.

01:27:08.780 The system selects to make sure there are people like that

01:27:14.320 and the system makes sure those are the ones who rise to the top.

01:27:17.180 Absolutely.

01:27:17.960 I had a friend who tried to join the Met.

01:27:20.620 I never quite understood why a few years ago.

01:27:23.420 But I know he did a really good job of it.

01:27:25.920 You know, he's a guy, you know, good height, works out every week, goes to the gym,

01:27:29.500 good sense of justice and, you know, law and reason about him.

01:27:32.980 And he didn't even get the interview.

01:27:35.500 And then you see these like miniature women just sort of waddling about on the tubes. 1.00

01:27:40.280 And it's like, so they're fine, they're good, but not my friend.

01:27:45.620 Completely ineffectual.

01:27:46.520 But I want to come back on this, White Rider, because you misunderstood what I'm saying.

01:27:49.920 What I'm not saying, I like the police.

01:27:53.960 What I'm saying to them is if you are attacking the police, you are attacking a node, not the protocol.

01:28:01.060 You need to take your annoyance and redirect it at the level where the doctrine is enforced,

01:28:07.940 where things can actually change.

01:28:09.880 It's the governing doctrine of the country that needs to change.

01:28:12.900 It is not the individual nodes within it.

01:28:15.420 And if you focus your attention there, you're dealing with an expected outcome

01:28:21.020 as opposed to a protocol which can change all subsequent outcomes.

01:28:25.740 And that's why I think it's important.

01:28:27.140 I hope that makes sense.

01:28:29.200 Annie E. Moss says, I'm looking at the action of West Midlands police.

01:28:33.580 It appears that they and other police forces like the Met are trying to raise crimes to a level that people cannot stand it.

01:28:40.520 I don't know if it's exactly that.

01:28:41.900 I just think it's like I said, the system cannot produce any outcome at this point,

01:28:46.760 which does not violate the moral precepts of everybody in the system,

01:28:52.540 including people in the system and those of us who are outside.

01:28:55.360 That's what I think was going on.

01:28:56.460 Anyway.

01:28:58.540 Okay.

01:29:00.480 William Clifton says, there is a similar political candidate in the US right now

01:29:04.200 to that of James Fishback, Casey Putsch,

01:29:07.180 who is running to be the Republican Party candidate in Ohio against Vivek Ramaskan.

01:29:11.900 Miami and is running a very similar campaign to James Fishback.

01:29:16.680 And North FC Zuma says, Dan's right.

01:29:19.480 We all change views.

01:29:20.840 I took the bloody jab.

01:29:22.240 I was like 23 at the time.

01:29:24.460 Biggest mistake of my life.

01:29:25.680 Frank Herbert has a good quote about people who don't change their mind.

01:29:29.780 And I can't call to mind what that is.

01:29:31.540 I'm going to Google it while you...

01:29:32.980 I haven't read, Gene.

01:29:33.880 Michael DeBelbus also says, Dan continuing to demonstrate his extreme levels of true baseness.

01:29:40.380 Thank you for noticing, sir.

01:29:41.740 Very honest.

01:29:42.480 And then an honourable mention from Andrew Wynn, who says,

01:29:45.820 I ordered Islander issue 5 just now.

01:29:48.120 Oh, well, thank you.

01:29:49.120 I got caught out with number 2, and I was one of the £250 eBay numpties.

01:29:54.880 At least I'll have the full set.

01:29:57.040 Well, yeah, very glad that you've got it.

01:30:00.040 And, you know, obviously that £250 you spent on it, it'll be worth thousands,

01:30:05.020 absolutely hundreds of thousands maybe in a few years' time.

01:30:08.160 Until Venture Capital finds out about Islander,

01:30:10.720 because, you know, the return on investment there is massive.

01:30:14.500 In 3,000 years, there'll be a sort of remake of Raiders of the Lost Ark,

01:30:18.780 except it'll be an Islander on that little plint thing.

01:30:21.040 You can hear the John Williams theme playing in the background as you open its pages.

01:30:25.920 Also, just to say as well, and I'm sorry for not mentioning it earlier,

01:30:29.640 this issue also comes complete with an interview with Rupert Lowe himself.

01:30:34.180 So we've got an interview with Rupert in this issue as well as the amazing essays and articles in it.

01:30:39.700 So do consider going over to the website and buying it for £14.99, push shipping, of course.

01:30:45.360 OK, well, we've got a roundtable at 3 o'clock where we're going to be discussing how the elites maintain power.

01:30:53.620 So if that sounds like something that intrigues you, head over and join us live on the website at 3 for that.

01:31:00.240 And if we don't see you there, then we look forward to seeing you tomorrow on the podcast at 1.

01:31:04.580 Have a great day.

01:31:05.380 Have a great day.

The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - January 08, 2026

The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1328

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