The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1329

00:00:00.000 Hi guys, Islander 5 is out to purchase now. As you can see from this amazing cover,

00:00:05.740 this edition's theme is Heroism, Power and Modernity. And the articles in there, which I

00:00:11.620 have to say are rather good, don't you know? And I'm not just talking about mine, I'm talking about

00:00:16.220 all of them. They discuss what the Heroic Society is and why modernity is destroying it, but why

00:00:22.840 the spirit of the hero is looming throughout everything that's happening. And again, I say

00:00:28.120 the cover goes hard, right? Because, I mean, look at it. You would think that this was tailored for the

00:00:33.960 current events, but no, we're always ahead of the curve. Anyway, it's thicker than normal as well

00:00:38.440 because we just happen to have a load of extra content in there. We've got an exclusive interview

00:00:42.020 from Rupert Lowe, Lutz from the editor, and a comic that's halfway through that's philosophically

00:00:48.100 informed, which I think you'll enjoy. So get it while you can at shop.lotuses.com. The link will

00:00:52.980 be in the description. Hi folks, welcome to the podcast of the Lotus Eaters for Friday the 9th of

00:00:57.300 January. We are without internet today for some reason. Administrative errors perhaps at the

00:01:04.380 BT Exchange. But either way, I'm joined by Nick and Stelios and what we're going to do is pre-record

00:01:09.620 this and that, but later. So you'll get it whenever you get it. At least it proves everything you've

00:01:15.080 been saying about decline for years. This is what we're talking about, guys. It's also good to not

00:01:20.460 be always online and be offline every now and then. Like chilling, you're like detaching. You're like,

00:01:25.640 this is us like, what's it called when you're like, off grid. We're going off. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Off grid,

00:01:29.920 yeah. Meditation. I have my notes. You can't take them down. I'm not sure when we're meant to be

00:01:35.380 doing the podcast is the best time to be touching grass. Maybe, maybe. Anyway, today we're talking

00:01:42.260 about minorities for remigration, Reform's totally based mayor of London candidate. And how would you

00:01:50.880 describe yours? That they hired the devil. The fact that the British police would choose to hire

00:01:57.200 Satan himself over a white man. So, without further ado, let's begin. So, there's an interesting

00:02:06.720 phenomenon that I've noticed, which is what I'm going to call minorities for remigration.

00:02:12.700 Does this make sense, Tony? Great group. Well, I mean, do you want the fun answer or the

00:02:20.480 serious answer? You can give one than the other. Well, I think it can make sense because when we

00:02:26.620 are looking at the world in terms of ethnic identities, you have ethnic identities being

00:02:33.140 very much against other identities. And yeah, they just may be pro-remigration if they think that

00:02:39.160 it doesn't cover them. Or if they think that they hate another kind of group more than they love

00:02:44.940 their own group. I just like to think they're being so logically consistent that you're like,

00:02:48.500 yeah, but that's going to get you in the light. I accept it. You know, I understand. This is about

00:02:52.700 right and wrong. Yeah, I think it's very honorable. Don't you think? I agree. But it's not just

00:02:59.020 remigration either, but it's the understanding actually there is a reason that everyone's trying

00:03:05.540 to move to the West, right? And it's because the native peoples of the countries produce a certain

00:03:11.220 kind of country. And actually, if you switch those people out with other people who come from

00:03:15.920 different countries that don't run the same way as this country, actually, you're probably going to

00:03:19.260 get a different result. Yeah. And you might not like that result. It's always one of the many

00:03:23.660 contradictions, isn't it, of the left that like, this is the worst place ever. The left's evil.

00:03:28.060 What, the left? So the West is evil. Yeah, everyone's trying to move here. You were right.

00:03:31.160 The left is evil, but everyone's, we've got to have open borders to bring everyone into this

00:03:35.500 absolute hell hole. And they should be allowed to come. And if you stop them, you're evil coming

00:03:38.900 to this hell hole where we're all racist. There was even a girl the other day, you probably saw

00:03:41.960 online, one of those sort of Palestine girl, white girls saying, can't wait for the fall of the West.

00:03:47.140 It's like, do you know what's going to happen to you when the West falls? It's going to be so ugly

00:03:50.760 and horrific. It makes like, this is a threat. Well, somehow we have to protect you from your own

00:03:54.660 idiocy. And some people said, oh, let her be destroyed. But it's like, we have to, basically the white

00:03:59.280 liberal, I hate to say it, but the white lefty women, we have to sort of protect them from

00:04:02.280 themselves somehow. Yeah. It's also that Western culture is like Schrodinger's culture. It doesn't

00:04:07.360 exist, but it's also really bad. But also, they genuinely, oh, you can't deport him. Well, he's

00:04:12.880 not being deported into hell itself. He's deported to the country that he was born and raised in,

00:04:18.660 that all his family lives in. That he's trying to bring here. Yeah, that he, with the language he

00:04:22.160 speaks, the only people he speaks to. It's, it's not that he's being deported into the sun or

00:04:26.320 something. It's not a death sentence. Anyway, we're going to watch some videos of this.

00:04:30.360 So actually, that could be a policy. Just saying. Before we begin though, Islander 5 is out. Look

00:04:36.580 at this cover. Look at this incredible cover. Isn't this just the most hard cover you've ever

00:04:41.420 seen? Especially. Is that Trump? It is Trump. That's amazing. Well, right? Because of course,

00:04:47.420 we, we, we designed this before Maduro just got black bagged and kidnapped and paraded through

00:04:53.120 the streets. So it was just like, oh wow. Okay. Um, but this edition is about heroism and the nature

00:05:00.320 of heroism, power, and the modern world. Uh, it's got over a dozen superb articles in it written by

00:05:06.660 myself, Morgoth's Review, Academic Agent, and a bunch of other brilliant people. So you've got lefties in

00:05:11.760 there as well. I do. Yeah. Well, you know, we're not, we're not just parts in here. Uh, but Morgoth's

00:05:16.460 one is particularly good. I was just blown away by it. Um, but they're, they're all excellent.

00:05:21.200 My one especially is particularly good. Uh, but there's also loads of other stuff like an

00:05:24.340 interview with Rupert Lowe, uh, Let's to the editor page now that Roy's introduced. And, uh, he's also

00:05:30.300 got a mini comic book in the middle of it, which is actually really great. So it's. Sorry. I just

00:05:36.620 love that you bring him back. Let's say, sir, I'd like to correct one thing in your issue of March.

00:05:40.660 That's literally the point, you know? So yeah, yeah. We've brought that back because why not?

00:05:44.780 You know, return to tradition. Uh, so you can grab it now while it is on sale at shop.loses.com.

00:05:50.860 Link up in the description. Once it's gone, it's gone and it's never coming back. So get your copy

00:05:54.600 now. Uh, anyway, let's move on to, um, opinions that we don't necessarily endorse, right? Because

00:06:02.740 you've got to remember, we are not saying these things. These are things that other people have

00:06:06.620 said and put on the internet. Uh, and we're going to just let them explain their opinion and then

00:06:12.120 we're going to call them racist. So Pierce Morgan and Tucker Carlson, they were having a conversation

00:06:17.080 about how basically the white population is going extinct in England, right? And Pierce

00:06:21.580 Morgan was basically sitting there and being like, you know what? I really got a real big

00:06:25.580 deal with that. You know, I like my Indian restaurants and shit, my tikka masala, you know, I'm fucking

00:06:29.380 with that. And in fact, I would replace a lot of white people with a lot of foreigners coming

00:06:32.460 in. And I'm sitting there thinking to myself, see, this is what Pierce Morgan and a lot of

00:06:36.940 niggas don't really understand. Whiteness and the West go hand in hand. Whiteness and exploration

00:06:43.000 go hand in hand. Whiteness and philosophy goes hand in hand. Whiteness and democracy

00:06:48.840 goes fucking hand in hand. What does this mean? If white people are gone, the West is

00:06:55.020 gone. All the things that has made the West great has come from white people. That's just

00:06:59.700 the fucking truth. So if all these niggas are gone and you have the entire third world,

00:07:04.780 Muhammad, Omar, all these niggas come into your country and all the white people are now fucking

00:07:10.220 gone. The third world just becomes the third world. Again, these niggas are coming to the

00:07:14.860 West because the West is great. The West was created by white people. If the white people

00:07:19.280 are fucking gone, then the West is not going to be great anymore. This is where you're just

00:07:23.620 going to get the constant authoritarianism, the tyranny and all the bullshit that you were

00:07:27.660 trying to escape from because the white people are fucking gone. That's why we actually need

00:07:32.180 the Wiggas. If the Wiggas are gone, the elections are fucking gone. I'm going to be sitting

00:07:36.540 here with all you dumb niggas because y'all aren't thinking about space. You guys aren't

00:07:39.680 thinking about inventing anything. We're having democracy or any of these high levels of fucking

00:07:43.700 thought. I'm going to be like, hey, y'all, we need a fucking election. Y'all are going to be like,

00:07:46.920 nah, fuck that. War. Let's just kill niggas because that's what it's like. So white people

00:07:51.640 getting replaced is actually a horrible thing for the West completely.

00:07:55.400 So I didn't know there were such a genre as Faustian black men, but brilliant. That's great. I'm

00:08:05.540 very interested in what he has to say there. You all aren't thinking about space.

00:08:09.500 That's one of the funniest lines. What do you make of that, Estelios?

00:08:14.000 Just funny video. Yeah. I mean, we've discussed several times how culture influences civilization

00:08:23.560 and how, you know, within you require a particular culture and the culture manifests in behavior and

00:08:30.840 practices and customs.

00:08:32.220 Yeah. But the culture comes from the people, right? That's what you say. Culture comes from

00:08:36.180 the people. And if you look at the culture that these guys have come from, you can make

00:08:39.660 a character judgment about the kind of people that they are. And if you were to just exchange

00:08:44.060 them with all of these polite people who get up early in the morning, go to work, you know,

00:08:48.520 clock in, do overtime, punch out and do exactly the right thing and make a country good. He's

00:08:53.640 he's like, oh, right now I can see a predictable outcome there.

00:08:56.540 Well, yeah. I mean, if you if you mass import people from a particular culture and you make

00:09:02.520 them live in a different culture and they don't want to assimilate and they are told to not

00:09:07.420 assimilate, then then, yeah, they won't assimilate.

00:09:11.040 It's just weird that we have to rely on a black guy to just state these simple truths

00:09:16.880 that Piers Morgan can't. He's like, I'd rather a curry. I don't care about white. And then

00:09:20.520 you have to have this guy.

00:09:21.100 What would be the difference, you racist?

00:09:22.820 It's so weird. It's so pathetic that Morgan's, I mean, obviously that was one of Morgan's

00:09:26.480 worst moments, one of many. And then this guy just has to tell the truth. But that's

00:09:30.220 another kind of privilege. He can tell the truth and the white guy is not allowed to.

00:09:34.100 Yeah. Because you're a racist and you're cancelled. Anyway, moving on to the next one. So like

00:09:40.920 I said, this is this is basically like a genre that I've discovered. And this this is just

00:09:45.420 again that it it's becoming apparent even to the minority. It's like, well, hang on a

00:09:51.000 second. We do kind of want the the European populations of European or European colonized

00:09:57.940 countries to be the ones in charge because they make everything run. Right. And actually,

00:10:02.500 if we bring in a bunch of people, another aspect is there's a certain kind of moral obligation

00:10:08.400 that Europeans have to ethnic minorities that they don't have to one another. Right. It's

00:10:13.300 like if if all of the country is replaced with, you know, whatever, wherever, do they care

00:10:18.820 about the plight of the aboriginals?

00:10:21.560 Right. Well, that's that's the problem, because all the stats show that all groups have a rather

00:10:26.340 aggressive in group preference, except for some reason, white Europeans. Yeah. And so, yeah,

00:10:30.660 if you get a lot of people aggressively promoting their in group, that's not going to help other

00:10:35.040 other groups. And if you'll say an aboriginal Australian who understands that the white dominated

00:10:42.200 society of Australia is giving you money and benefits or just giving you a special place in

00:10:48.200 the parliament or whatever it is. Well, that might not actually be inherited by the new groups

00:10:54.700 that take over the country. Well, you don't see. Yeah. I mean, yeah. Personally, I see this deviating

00:11:01.140 both ways, because what Nick said, I think, is really correct, is that you don't see the level of

00:11:06.680 out group preference in other groups. No. And this in lots of white people, it manifests in self

00:11:14.580 destructiveness and leftism. And speaking in cultural terms, I wouldn't necessarily describe

00:11:20.760 leftism as better than some other cultures. No, but it doesn't. Yeah, but you understand

00:11:26.060 what I mean. That's a question. Yeah. But anyway, this this came across my timeline, and I was

00:11:30.740 genuinely howling by the end of it. So she waffles a bit for the first minute or so, but we'll watch

00:11:36.700 from here. Because you want to sympathize with some Palestinians, and then you got a cheek to go and use

00:11:41.960 them as Muslims, and say they're chameleons people. You get lost them chameleons, they mind. You

00:11:54.280 stay away, Palestine. You stay away. I don't care who you sovereignly black people are. You will not, you

00:12:03.420 will not destroy Australia. You want to stick up on them. White Australia policy now. Right now.

00:12:15.500 No more brown people in this country coming in. No more Muslims coming in either. What? White

00:12:23.440 Australia policy right now. Right now.

00:12:28.940 Is she saying right or white? I don't understand.

00:12:31.820 White now. It's good. It's a good slogan. White now. Oh, yeah.

00:12:34.620 For some fucking Palestine. Don't you fucking think you're going to fuck this up for Australia?

00:12:45.340 So. Well, it's just well argued. Compelling. Strong rhetoric. How could you disagree, Stelios?

00:12:52.140 I know white now. No. White now, right now. But I like the anger. Yeah. And the energy. I appreciate

00:13:00.280 the energy. Aboriginal woman. I don't want any browns in my country. You're not going to

00:13:07.480 take Australia down. Australia is for the white man. Yeah. And you're not effing this up very

00:13:11.320 much like you said. Like, I've got a good thing here. So effing this up. What exactly?

00:13:14.360 Which is better now. Yeah. Yeah. She understands. Actually, no, we've got a good thing going here.

00:13:18.920 What are you doing? You know, what am I? What am I? She continues. My train wasn't on time.

00:13:24.520 It also reminds you, of course, of the indigenous people's argument. I know this is obvious to people

00:13:28.120 here, but it's like white Europeans are the only one that's like, oh, and English people specifically,

00:13:33.160 however specific you want to get. It's like, we're indigenous. Like, oh, no, you're not. No,

00:13:36.520 everyone else is indigenous. You're not. Oh, so it is just about hatred. Then there's no

00:13:40.280 consistency. So it's just blind hatred. The UN literally defines indigenous as meaning

00:13:45.960 non-European. Because basically, if you have a state, you can't be indigenous. And so when you've

00:13:51.720 got like, you can get the UN map of where the indigenous peoples are. And Europe is all just

00:13:55.720 great. Because as far as they're concerned, there are no indigenous people in Europe.

00:13:59.880 And of course, it's an obvious point that the arrogance of it suggests like, we're the sort of

00:14:03.400 norm. Everyone else is the indigenous. Yes. We couldn't possibly be indigenous because

00:14:06.760 that would be to sort of see ourselves through a different lens. But actually, our position

00:14:10.120 is more humble. Like, no, we are indigenous. Yeah. Like anyone else. We weren't created by

00:14:14.040 Yacoub. They're sort of, yeah. Delivered from Mars or whatever. Right, right, right. Yeah.

00:14:17.960 They would like to have a word. It's like the, it's like the map that puts Britain big or whatever,

00:14:22.360 you know, isn't the real map. Like they see us as the center. Everyone else says, oh,

00:14:25.560 they're the little indigenous people. Yeah, that's exactly what it is. But, uh, but some

00:14:30.520 aboriginals are getting them, getting the idea through. You know, I love that it's the predator meme,

00:14:34.520 you know, the predator handshake, you know, it's like, you know, in aboriginals, whites, hating immigrants.

00:14:39.800 So here, here is a Pakistani woman in Britain called Lubna, who has decided,

00:14:51.720 I support Steve Laws. I saw this, yeah. Total remigration now. I think we'll just watch a little

00:15:00.440 bit of it. Like what I see in terms of their behaviors anyway. But I, but I appreciate that

00:15:04.840 I'm not ethnically British. Having said that, I completely and utterly support a lot of what

00:15:11.080 Steve Laws actually said, believe it or not. I don't know what, what he said outside of this

00:15:16.760 interview. If, if he's made some racist tweets or if he said horrible stuff, I'm not aware of that.

00:15:20.920 I'm speaking just about his interview with Andrew Gold. He made a lot of sense with all due respect,

00:15:25.720 guys. I know he, a lot of you guys are criticizing him, but the, I do feel English people, okay,

00:15:32.440 they need to be preserved. They need to be the majority in their country, right? Now, if you are

00:15:37.960 an ethnic minority, be you a Muslim or Hindu, or even Jewish person who's been here for a hundred

00:15:43.720 years, with all due respect, guys, you are not ethnically British. Ethnically British people need

00:15:49.800 to be preserved in their country, in their homeland. This is the homeland. I genuinely believe that. And I

00:15:56.280 feel like we need to put things in place to preserve the majority, like the percentage of

00:16:01.640 people in this country. And currently we don't have that. And sadly, there are a lot of people

00:16:05.560 that are feeling threatened, rightly so. So the second thing I feel is, and this came up on my

00:16:11.800 channel before when I said, Oh, this is a white country. And some of the ethnic minorities were

00:16:15.720 challenging me and saying, this is so crazy that you think that this is a white country. And I'm like,

00:16:19.240 what the hell? I think it's crazy that you think that it's not. And that really triggered me. So

00:16:23.640 I strongly believe it is not for the ethnic minorities to determine what the ethnically

00:16:31.320 British people should do in their country. It is not for me to tell the English people how

00:16:36.520 they should run their country, for example. You know, I think reform are going to put her in charge.

00:16:41.880 It's like Steve Law's least likely fan. Like, he's like, right, you're all going back. She's like,

00:16:46.360 thank you. This is what I've been saying. Thank you, Steve. Finally, I'll leave today.

00:16:53.960 Steve, you've been too hard line. It's not persuasive. And she's like, well,

00:16:59.240 hear him out. What I love about this though, is it kind of sounds like the ethnic minorities

00:17:03.000 going to put us on like a white European plantation and be like, right. Yeah. No,

00:17:06.520 no, you need your country because we want you to run it. Right. So you, you, you've got the

00:17:10.200 like little white European plantation and then we're going to just, you know, stand back and

00:17:14.120 collect benefits. I don't know. I've always thought we will end up. I mean,

00:17:17.160 since seeing Callum's documentary, to be honest, I got the idea we're going to end up on a reservation,

00:17:20.920 like rural reservations in England with no money, just this kind of despised, like, you know,

00:17:25.400 like they did with the American Indians. Yeah. Because that's just seems to be the way it's

00:17:28.840 going. But who knows? We might, we might rally. I'm not, I'm not being a doomer. Well, it depends

00:17:33.000 if Lubna is going to take over. Exactly. That's what we need. Yeah. I shouldn't watch Callum's

00:17:36.760 documentary. It's too depressing. But the point is, yeah, I agree. But that's the weird thing,

00:17:41.000 isn't it? It's like we need to, they still want us to run the world, but

00:17:43.960 they want us to sort of, a lot of people want us to just sort of get back on your reservation.

00:17:47.880 Well, I don't know. I mean, she seems to be in favor of us being the majority population.

00:17:50.920 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You know, so I just find it just to be a fascinating thing to watch this

00:17:57.800 playing out in essentially real time, because these videos keep coming past my timeline, where

00:18:02.760 it's some minority going, no, listen, I'm here to defend the white race. Yeah. I suppose there are

00:18:08.280 degrees of it. There's this sort of Swela Bradman degree where she's like, well, actually,

00:18:11.240 I'm not really English and, you know, I love this country. Then there's, this is the more extreme

00:18:14.680 degree. There is a range of sort of non-white people.

00:18:17.240 It's like, Swela's too soft. She needs to be deported.

00:18:22.600 So anyway, this is just very, very interesting. And there was, for some reason, I wanted to tie

00:18:29.720 this together with this Tim Stanley tweet, because this I found really fascinating, right? Where

00:18:35.000 he's like, inevitable anti-Muslim hate being thrown at Layla Cunningham. But she reinforces

00:18:41.720 my view that Britain is most likely to be dragged back to social conservative sanity by immigrants

00:18:46.520 and the children of immigrants, Mahmoud, Kemi, etc. It's the natives what blew their inheritance.

00:18:52.520 Well, I've also got this tweet in my section, because it's so bad. It's one of the all time,

00:18:56.400 it's like, I see, it's like, it's like, anti-banger. Like, hang on, Fraser Nelson, you know,

00:19:00.400 hold my beer sort of thing. It's like, I can do the worst gaslighting nonsense. I mean,

00:19:04.920 Tim, like, to be fair, Tim, I was listening to Telegraph podcast today to listen to Layla Cunningham.

00:19:08.520 He's perfectly presentable, a good presenter, perfectly nice. I'm sure he's a perfectly nice

00:19:11.720 guy. But he posts the worst call. I mean, Shibana Mahmood is gonna, is like dragging us

00:19:18.680 back to conservative sanity. Shibana Mahmood is the most anti-immigration Home Secretary we've had

00:19:23.880 in like 30 years. Yes, that's a pretty low bar, isn't it? I know, but... Yvette Cooper was the last one.

00:19:28.900 I know. And, but she was way better than Priti Patel, way better than Swella Braverman. You know,

00:19:34.620 she's actually got things done. Has she done anything or is she just gonna change it to like

00:19:38.140 safe routes and change the wording? No, no, no. She has, she has got some stuff done. But,

00:19:42.060 and, but this is the point. Like, he's making, it's like, yeah, they, they kind of are. So like,

00:19:46.460 it's gonna be essentially, like, I want Luba and Shibana Mahmood to sit down and have a conversation

00:19:51.260 about how they preserve the white race, right? If Tim meant love note, but I, I just, I'm not quite

00:19:56.860 sure he did. I'm sure he doesn't know about her. He means Kemi as he says that. Yeah, yeah. And he's,

00:20:01.640 oh my God, there's, you'll probably find his, uh, well, he's, uh, I'm sure I saw people posting

00:20:07.920 his Kemi Badenock takes because there we go. Mummy, yeah. Oh God, yeah. Mummy one. They're

00:20:14.020 also posh as well. It's, it's so embarrassing. It's, yeah. There's a class element. Do you

00:20:18.460 know, you, when you watch like the Telegraph and Spectator things, I watch them to keep up

00:20:21.140 with stuff. They're just all posh. They're all called Poppy. Yeah. And one great thing about

00:20:24.400 Lotus is not to blow smoke. Is it actually, this is where people like me have been to comprehensive

00:20:27.760 schools that are allowed on things. Yeah. The class system lives, you know, it's like, it's like

00:20:32.500 this weird center, but we're all center right and we're all called Poppy and we all went to public

00:20:36.980 school. It's like, thankfully my Yoruba mammy is going to save us. Yeah. And it's like, sorry,

00:20:43.180 Tim, this is cringe and weird. Why did he call her a mummy? Because he's an embarrassing posh

00:20:47.880 conservative and they have really weird issues with women and especially foreign women. They,

00:20:54.560 they love to have like an oppressive female presence in their life. It's really weird.

00:21:00.500 I don't get it. No one gets it. No one who's been to a state school gets it. Yeah, exactly.

00:21:05.280 No one. Yeah. But then, you know, no one is, I'm not going to say any more on that. Yeah.

00:21:09.200 I went to state schools as well. You know, I, I came out normal. Uh, anyway, the point being

00:21:14.500 is that in a way it looks like Tim Stanley is kind of correct that actually the, uh, the

00:21:19.640 minorities are radicalizing themselves because of demographic change in our countries. And

00:21:26.120 they're like, well, hang on a second. Well, I mean, yeah, I mean, you could say it's correct

00:21:30.920 given some of the videos we've looked at, but you feel like if one feels he means it in

00:21:34.680 the kind of sieven that annoying way. And I think you did a tweet about how, well, actually

00:21:39.200 it's just that white people were kept out of everything. Yeah. It's the natives what blew

00:21:42.600 their inheritance. You mean you were part of a machine that destroyed everyone to your right

00:21:47.120 who was like, guys, maybe we need to be a bit more nativist about these things.

00:21:50.460 Yeah. And DEI kept them out of everything. And it, and not just that, but, um, like how

00:21:54.840 many people have been blacklisted from the BBC because they said something vaguely right

00:21:59.380 wing? Like you never see anyone, you know, I mean, was it right for the Telegraph? Yeah.

00:22:05.380 Who does he get on from the right on the Telegraph?

00:22:07.800 Well, this is what I said. I mean, as I say, perfectly nice guy, but he interviewed Ash Sarka and

00:22:11.520 it was just a gushing interview. Yeah. They agreed on everything. Yeah. Of course. Meanwhile,

00:22:15.280 he constantly signals against Rupert Lowe. I'm just, I was listening today, Camilla,

00:22:19.580 I like Camilla, but she described, she said, she talked to Layla Cunningham. She said, and

00:22:23.320 she made a reference to those extreme right people like Rupert Lowe and Ben Habib. So

00:22:27.340 they're the extreme right, but like, but Tim's basically the Telegraph's Overton window

00:22:31.420 is communist to wet Tory. Yes. And anything to the right of that is far right. Communist

00:22:36.400 to Tim Stanley. But why are you having a gushing conversation with a literal communist

00:22:39.860 to admit she is? That's weird. You're the Telegraph.

00:22:44.160 But the point being though, even Tim Stanley can see it. It's like, wow, the immigrants

00:22:47.800 are like, we need to look out for these white guys, you know, because things aren't going

00:22:52.100 great. And I just found that really interesting that the, the nature of the problem is so manifestly

00:22:58.620 obvious, right? It's everywhere. It's in everyone's faces. The fact that the, the demographics

00:23:03.660 of our countries have changed against our will, and we are starting to see a decline

00:23:08.240 to the point where the, the, the, like minorities themselves are like, guys, we need to stop

00:23:14.280 this. If he means that white liberals, I include Tories, have been too wet and, and, and naive

00:23:21.780 and pathetic and self-hating, then he's correct. I mean, he can go all the way back. I mean,

00:23:26.140 I read about Enoch Powell in 1948 with the British Nationalities Act, and he's worried about

00:23:31.380 it. This kind of patrician, posh Tories are like, oh no, we need to welcome the world.

00:23:35.600 We've had colonialism, you know, and it's very naive. Even back then, Tim Stanley is

00:23:39.500 the scion of that wet libtard Toriesm. Yes. It's ironic that he's saying it because.

00:23:45.220 Oh, you guys blew it. Well, you guys destroyed them. Yeah. What do you want? Anyway, we'll,

00:23:49.700 we'll leave that there. Like I said, I just think this is a very funny thing to see.

00:23:54.580 Okay. Oh, is that your whole bit? Okay. Yeah. What was the fourth link? Oh, I didn't want

00:23:59.520 that. Okay. All right. Yes. Okay. So we're non-live, so you caught me off guard, but yes,

00:24:05.160 I thought we'd do reforms, totally based female Muslim candidate. Who's going to just do base

00:24:09.820 stuff and save London, which is Leila Cunningham. Now, quick, this quick disclaimer, I did watch

00:24:15.140 the Telegraph podcast on my way here and I suddenly thought this segment I've done is

00:24:18.720 very harsh to Leila. So I want to just give some balance and say she does seem like a likable

00:24:22.520 person. Like she, like a high energy, she get things and she might do something on law and order

00:24:26.520 because her kids have been constantly mugged in London. Just constant muggings. Yeah.

00:24:31.060 Yeah. Just constant muggings. And it was,

00:24:33.320 but I've been reliably informed that it's the lowest crime ever.

00:24:36.600 Oh, by Fraser. Yeah. Yeah. It's extraordinary. She's like, yeah. And then they're getting

00:24:42.160 targeted at school. And then, and then she like, she had in one of them, she had the mugger

00:24:45.640 there. She's like, gets him. He runs away into the basement of McDonald's. She's calling

00:24:48.860 him up saying, I've literally know where he is. Get him down. They're like, well, we've got

00:24:52.300 another kid's been stabbed. So he takes priority. And she's like, have you not got two police

00:24:56.220 officers? Like, can you not send someone? And it was just, no, exactly.

00:25:00.060 Have to police non-crime incidents. Right. And they made her feel guilty. Oh, do you not

00:25:04.840 care more about the person who's been stabbed? It's like, can you send the police? The mugger

00:25:08.820 is here. And it made me like so angry. So disclaimer, maybe she'll do something on law and order.

00:25:14.080 And just, just to be clear, like I see a lot of people going hard on her and I'm not saying

00:25:18.380 they're wrong to go hard or anything like that, but she seems quite intelligent and quite

00:25:22.780 able to handle herself in interviews as well. So, you know, she seems like, actually, I can

00:25:28.820 see why Farage is like, oh, she's a good pick. Yeah. You know, she's got qualities. My critique

00:25:32.880 has often been though, watching her, that she sort of, her eyes start around and she thinks,

00:25:36.400 oh, what's my talking point on that? To some degree, that is just the nature of a debate.

00:25:39.740 But I do feel that these are not deeply held beliefs for her. A lot of the time she's thinking,

00:25:44.060 what's the thing we say on that? Though some of them are, when it comes to law and order

00:25:47.560 on her kids, that's deeply held. And that's maybe why she was more compelling on that.

00:25:50.940 Other times I think she's just saying... I think that's the most important though,

00:25:55.020 in her position, if she gets the position of mayor, I think that's one of the most important

00:25:59.840 things that you need in London. And also scrap the Eula's law. What's her position on the

00:26:04.660 Eula's law? Yeah, she's against it. I love how this follows on from what I've just been

00:26:09.340 talking about. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But yes, Egyptian woman's like, no, I need to fix this country.

00:26:13.480 Yeah. But, but it was, my, my segment is fairly harsh. So I just want to put that disclaimer

00:26:18.400 because I felt bad after listening to the podcast. Because I'm a nice guy. Felt bad

00:26:21.000 after the podcast. But anyway, Faraj unveils London mayoral candidate to take on Khan.

00:26:23.760 There she is. And Dan Wooden, immediately not, not, not a fan. He says, how is the mainstream,

00:26:29.820 no, I want to do the voice. How is the mainstream right not getting this? Reform UK have capitulated

00:26:33.640 to Islamists. Picking the Muslim Leila Cunningham to battle Sadiq Khan to become mayor of London

00:26:37.520 is deeply depressing. Nigel Faraj rejected going with a true patriot in Ant Milton, who has my

00:26:42.440 support. So he's going with Ant. Now, I did a segment on Ant a while back and it was funny,

00:26:47.840 all his tweets, but there's no way he was going to be a reform candidate after all his

00:26:50.840 tweets. It would be great, but he's way too. Yeah. I remember I was, I like, I like Ant a

00:26:55.480 lot and he's very big. I was co-hosting. Yeah. There was a time when he was at the reform

00:26:58.420 conference doing a speech and like, oh yeah. But then he started sort of telling too much

00:27:02.360 truth. So yeah, no, it'd be great if Ant did it. I mean, if you can run the, if you can be

00:27:06.480 in the SBS, you can, you can run London. But Dan wanted that, but she wasn't so keen on

00:27:12.560 that. So she responded on the Harry Cole show. Let's have a listen.

00:27:16.580 You're talking about putting people into silos and boxes. You are, you are a Muslim.

00:27:20.880 Um, on the right, there's been a bit of a brouhaha since you've been announced as a

00:27:25.960 candidate, uh, today. I'm not talking about within reform, but the people on the, even

00:27:30.420 further to the right in British politics. Lawrence Fox, for example, is whittering

00:27:34.600 on about, uh, about your candidacy saying it's selling out. Dan Wooten has, has suggested

00:27:40.100 that you're somehow, some sort of possibly, quote, possibly an Islamist and reform of, uh, uh,

00:27:45.580 a squad. Capitulated. Capitulated. That's the word. What's your response to that?

00:27:49.880 Number one, they're not the right, they're the far right, right? And I don't even think

00:27:52.720 that they're far right. They're just, you know, the thing is, I don't see myself as a British

00:27:58.300 Muslim, a British Egyptian. I see myself as a British person. That's it. Um, and whether

00:28:04.240 you're Muslim, Hindu, Catholic, gay, trans, you know, we need a mayor that is there for everyone

00:28:10.060 equally, not some select groups. What do you think they're talking about? Just a quick pause here.

00:28:13.820 What show is she on? Harry Cole's, uh, show that he does. Who's Harry Cole? He's, uh, from the

00:28:19.740 Sun, I believe. And he does a show now from, I think it's from America. Oh, he's saving the West.

00:28:25.000 Yeah, because Harry Cole saves the West. But it's also saves as an American flag. So it's like,

00:28:29.680 I mean, is he in America? Does she go out to America? He can't be in America there because

00:28:32.040 she wasn't in America, but he focuses on American stuff. Oh, right. Sometimes in America, I think.

00:28:35.980 Okay. Or he talks about America anyway. So yeah, he's a... It's our identity confused

00:28:40.760 show. He's a long established journalist, but yeah. But he, yeah, he went with the sort

00:28:46.300 of sieve that line and the, um, we really need to watch more. That gets most of it. I

00:28:49.620 mean, calling people far right, you immediately put yourself in the kind of...

00:28:52.900 Dan Wooden's not funny. No, of course he's not. And, and then that thing she said at the

00:28:56.340 end, whether you're trans, whether you're that, that weird list of, did you hear that?

00:28:59.620 It was like, she just listed, we're here for everyone. Yeah. It was a bit like, oh, you're

00:29:03.580 just a normal... We're inclusive. Lefty, lib, whatever.

00:29:05.980 Right. Yeah. So I don't think it was great from her there. And I'm obviously, and also

00:29:09.980 here's a little tip. Don't make an enemy of Dan Wooden. That's just, that's just like

00:29:13.620 a great tip in general because Dan's got a lot of energy and he'll do show number 16

00:29:18.560 on Layla. Just want to say about Layla. Look at, look at his coverage of Meghan Markle,

00:29:23.220 man. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Don't get me wrong. I agree with that actually. I agree with all

00:29:26.620 his coverage. Dan's great, but I'm just saying, I do not mess with him. You know, just a

00:29:29.860 quick thing. I, I, I was always a bit skeptical of Dan just when he left GB News. So I'm

00:29:33.540 like, okay, he's just a mainstream guy. Right. But I've, I've noticed that he does

00:29:36.840 land on the base side of every issue. And so it's just, oh, right. So his instincts

00:29:40.800 are good. You know, whether, whether you like him or not personally, his instincts are

00:29:44.240 really good. Yeah. Yeah. He's often more based than he sort of needs to be. He was pro-Rupert

00:29:48.700 Lowe. He's critical of reform when they've been wet. Pro-Everyone. Yeah. Yeah. Um, so I'm

00:29:53.840 getting confused. Oh, that's the same one. Okay. So, uh, so Dan didn't like being called

00:29:58.280 far right, but later quite reasonably. And James S's points out. So there was that thing

00:30:03.000 she said at the end about the trans thing, which she just plays then again. And, but

00:30:06.060 there's also this, she was at pride in not very long ago in 2022. Yeah. So I marched

00:30:12.700 with pride today, equal rights for all, all over the world. It doesn't seem that based.

00:30:17.500 And he says, my concern with Layla Killingham is that she's been out marching at pride as

00:30:20.560 an elected representative and just yesterday listed trans people as a cohort she wants to

00:30:24.300 be there for. I hope that being there for doesn't extend to puberty blockers in men and

00:30:27.920 women's spaces. I mean, it probably doesn't, but she just, she's just saying stuff and

00:30:31.980 some of it's kind of woke, some of it's kind of all over the map. But I mean, if I were

00:30:35.080 reform, I'd be like, look, trans people like what, less than 1% of the population and JK

00:30:39.880 Rowling fans are going to be like 30 or 40% of the population, which constituency can we

00:30:45.240 afford to lose? Well, the good and bad thing about Layla is that she's a little bit off

00:30:48.760 message. She says stuff you're thinking that's not reformers policy. Right. And she just,

00:30:53.160 she just goes off on one. So whether that's reform policy, we don't know. She can always

00:30:57.320 rephrase in the future if there's a danger of losing the, the JK Rowling fans and say

00:31:04.480 people think themselves trans will do something of the swift. Yeah. It was just a weird thing

00:31:09.480 to suddenly be calling people far right and going to throw some women's bathrooms. You

00:31:12.720 just sounded like any leftist suddenly. So it was strange. And in back, whenever this

00:31:17.080 was back when she was called Layla Dupuis, whenever that was, she did, she posted this weird

00:31:21.600 moronic, um, woke sort of poem thing. I am all this list of things. I am gay. I'm free.

00:31:27.760 I'm Hindu. I'm Jewish. I am diverse. I am London. You're like, uh, kill me now. It's just, you

00:31:33.760 know, one of those, it's like the black square post. Ironically, Egyptian isn't on that,

00:31:37.260 is it? That's weird. Isn't that odd? Oops. That was me. Yeah. Weirdly, Egyptian actually

00:31:44.860 isn't on that. Hmm. Not an option. You can be. Is she Nepalese? It's funny. Yeah. The

00:31:51.220 one thing, the one thing she is, she didn't list. That's hilarious. Um, okay. And she's

00:31:57.220 London. She's London back here now. Nothing. Now I used to do comedy, so nothing against

00:32:01.520 this, but just for some more background, she used to try and do acting and Wolf is saying

00:32:05.100 she's landed herself a big acting role. Uh, that's unfair. Throwdowns there is my only

00:32:09.320 problem. Yeah. It was automatic on the app. In her defense, it's probably completely normal

00:32:14.280 in the space that she's operating in. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You know, everyone's doing

00:32:17.620 background. Judge for yourself. Um, Mr. Wong here points out nothing personal. I just want

00:32:23.340 a Christian Englishman in charge of the capital of England. June, who's the most reformed

00:32:27.100 cultist person ever says we've had them in charge of the country allegedly. And where

00:32:30.480 has that got us? Oh. And John says, sorry, Englishman time to relinquish your homeland.

00:32:34.800 Well, it's literally the Tim Stanley position. Yeah. You blew it. You blew it. And so now

00:32:39.100 we've got to put the minorities in charge. Femmoid Muslim. Because look at, look at

00:32:42.940 them. They're like white Australia policy now, you know, like what they're saying there

00:32:47.700 is why weren't you demanding the hardcore Steve Law's racist position? Yeah. If she

00:32:51.800 was the super, if Layla was coming out super based, I would be like, hang on, hear her

00:32:55.220 out. But she's actually coming out a civ nat and you're far right and trans. That's my

00:32:59.420 problem. But, um, what else we got? Oh, Connor has quite a lot to say about this. I refuse

00:33:04.560 to vote for a Muslim candidate. Layla may well say sensible things about the grooming

00:33:07.640 gangs and Muslim bullhood, but I do not want to be governed by a Muslim anymore. Should

00:33:10.920 be two words there. And I want to be governed by a communist. The British public do not like

00:33:14.760 Islam. Why does reform? And I think this is Dan Witten's objection as well, as in why

00:33:19.540 should we not have native representation in the positions of leadership in the country,

00:33:24.460 which is a good question. I think he's actually right on this. Actually, it should be that

00:33:30.000 we prefer native representation than non-native. Yeah. And private, I was trying to get Connor

00:33:34.780 in trouble over this and they've had me before, but yeah, it's like, it's not that extreme.

00:33:38.360 It's not an extreme position. No, it's a normal position. Totally normal. Normal in any other

00:33:41.420 country. Literally. Most many countries. You think in Egypt, they have many non-Egyptian

00:33:46.280 politicians. There you go. It's nonsense. So, um, this guy, Adrian Hilton replies to this

00:33:52.040 and hilariously, he is a, uh, he is a, some sort of, uh, what is he? Let me see. I'll just

00:33:56.780 hover over it and it'll tell me. He is a author and lecturer in political philosophy, which

00:34:00.580 I found hilarious. So he says, what an extraordinary take. What would Connor say to the person who

00:34:04.780 posted, I refuse to vote for the Roman Catholic candidate. Layla Cunningham. It's your choice.

00:34:08.920 What? It's the embodiment of British Islam. An Islam infused with Britishness, which I love that

00:34:14.440 because it sounded like a Marks and Spencer advert for multiculturalism. It's like, it's not just

00:34:18.080 Islam. It's, this is British Islam. It's like, what is an Islam infused with Britishness? You

00:34:23.400 absolute muppet. Anyway, which might be considered a kind of Anglican Islam. And so not proper Islam

00:34:29.000 by the more devout. I've said this before. Basically, if we're going to have Muslims in

00:34:33.880 this country long-term, the King has to become the Caliph of Islam and set up essentially the

00:34:39.700 Anglican branch of Islam in the same way that we set up the Anglican church, right? I'm not,

00:34:44.100 I'm not even joking. You're with this guy. I'm not saying I'm with him. Obviously there's

00:34:47.300 no such thing as British Islam, but if, if we are going to come to some sort of settlement,

00:34:51.040 then the King does kind of have to become the Caliph.

00:34:53.900 Okay. Fair play. I mean, you know, not something I really, no, obviously you're saying, okay,

00:35:00.540 these are the terms basically. Yeah. What, what is the reform rationale for it? Is it that

00:35:06.220 London has a high Muslim population and she's going to win this and she's also going to be

00:35:12.320 a success story that is going to, you know, what's interesting. London doesn't even have

00:35:16.480 that high a Muslim population. It's only about 30%, isn't it? Yeah. Well, we can get into it.

00:35:21.280 Cause I think 30, 30, 30, zero. I mean, it's high. Don't get me wrong.

00:35:26.500 I like the fact on the end it says it's not proper Islam, right? So whatever he's suggesting

00:35:31.980 Lalia Cunningham is, she's not proper Islam. Yeah. And he's saying that's a good thing.

00:35:35.820 Cause she doesn't really follow it. Yeah, exactly. She actually says she does like on the Telegraph

00:35:39.560 podcast, she says, well, no, I do follow. She says the burqas only were harbors and that's

00:35:42.940 not Islam. I totally follow it. It's a spiritual thing. It's a way of life. It's not about

00:35:47.180 she, I guess she doesn't focus on some of the strict rules. She says I'm not so much

00:35:51.220 into that. So maybe it's her own interpretation. Maybe she is a bit of an African Muslim.

00:35:55.480 It does sound that way. And we get into that Stelios, like whether it'll actually work with

00:35:58.300 Muslims. I question whether they'll actually vote for it, but we can get into that. Oh

00:36:01.240 yeah, that was just my joke about which I've done it in our lives. So we don't need to do

00:36:04.180 a kind of Anglican Islam is what Carl's saying. Carl's there with Cameron.

00:36:09.080 Yeah. Well, I mean, you know, that's where you have to go.

00:36:12.280 But if you're going to argue there should be a kind of Anglican Islam, you've kind of

00:36:17.060 got to go for the mosque of England and put King Charles at the top of it, which I'm sure

00:36:23.840 he'd love. Yeah, he'd love it. That's what he wants. Yeah. I'm surprised he hasn't proposed

00:36:27.680 it. Virtually is that. Let's be honest. That's the problem. He virtually is that already.

00:36:31.060 And it's not helping. I mean, he's just, he's just the kind of, why does it help that he's

00:36:34.880 the kind of Muslim king? That's what you want. You just said, I don't know. I'm not saying

00:36:40.360 I want it. I'm saying it logically follows. Charles of Arabia. He kind of is, though.

00:36:46.860 He's such a bloody... Yeah, I know. Anyway, you already had that tweet, but I felt it was

00:36:50.620 similar to the previous guys and kind of madness. But so on this sort of, will they actually

00:36:58.040 vote for, and is there such a thing as British Islam? MoMA says no. He says there's no such

00:37:01.560 thing. Regardless of the personalities involved, if one eats non-halal food, if one drinks

00:37:05.520 alcohol, if one doesn't observe the five pillars, they're not Muslim, but instead

00:37:08.560 of Munafik, in the eyes of Islam. That version of Islam, which is neither mainstream and can

00:37:14.580 never be mainstream, is the path of the Munafik in Islam. So it's basically a hypocrite.

00:37:19.180 It means you're a hypocrite. In the eyes of the heart, of the fundamental influence.

00:37:22.840 Yeah. Well, he's in the eyes of many Muslims. So the Munafiks are considered worse than infidels

00:37:27.380 to Allah, a people that Allah would never forgive. We know the way to live... Sorry, who know

00:37:32.500 the way to live by Islam but refuse to follow it? It's in the Quran, black and white, in the

00:37:36.000 Surah Al-Munafik. I don't know how to pronounce that one, but it basically means hypocrite.

00:37:39.180 It's a section on hypocrisy. So he says, reforming Islam is a pipe dream, a fantasy

00:37:43.740 appointment is exercise. These sort of gimmicks will work temporarily to win elections, but

00:37:48.380 once the demographic changes more and the numbers grow more, they'll show up on the real

00:37:51.080 Islam. So he just thinks this isn't a thing, this British Islam infused with Britishness,

00:37:55.700 Marx and Spencer Islam is not going to happen.

00:37:57.840 I like that term, Marx and Spencer Islam.

00:37:59.520 Yeah, you're welcome. So another one of my neilages. Well, this is the thing. I mean,

00:38:05.720 will actual sort of, let's say, devout Muslims, would they actually vote later? Would they

00:38:10.440 look and go, she's not really Muslim enough for me? And then who is going to vote for

00:38:13.980 her? She's saying weird, woke things that aren't going to encourage...

00:38:18.180 Uma libtards is what she's appealing to.

00:38:20.320 Yeah. Well, I think about people I know in my football team who are like the ultimate metropolitan,

00:38:24.800 liberal, remainer, they're never going to vote for her. Muslims, I'm not quite sure Muslims

00:38:29.380 are going to vote for her. Some might. The right, more conservative people, maybe, but

00:38:33.820 then if she keeps saying stuff like that, the trans thing, they'll be like, what? I don't

00:38:37.040 know. I don't know. But she, then again, on another level, she is relatively plausible

00:38:41.080 compared to many candidates we've had against Sadiq Khan. She comes across well and so on.

00:38:46.100 Yeah, she's not offensive and she is clever and well-spoken and she is presenting something

00:38:53.320 that is not so unpalatable to eat any of the sides that if you were like, look, we just

00:39:00.880 need something other than Sadiq Khan, right? We just need to get rid of Sadiq Khan. Even

00:39:04.820 though, you know, I mean, there are loads of Muslims in London who hate Sadiq Khan. Everyone

00:39:08.080 hates Sadiq Khan, right? So if you're just like, we just need to get rid of Sadiq Khan.

00:39:12.880 I know that she's not perfect. I know that she's in Farage's party, but she's not terrible

00:39:18.080 to taste politically. And so, you know, you can see yourself putting up at the right.

00:39:22.700 I could see myself, if I lived in London, voting for it.

00:39:24.760 Yeah, when I heard her talk about law and order and her kids being mugged, I thought,

00:39:27.540 if she stays on this ground, that's sympathetic and it's localised to London.

00:39:31.160 Strong.

00:39:31.480 When she gets into the national stuff, she just sounds like any civ nat telling me I'm

00:39:35.300 far right again. So then I go, I hate this. This is what I hate about reform.

00:39:39.400 But on the London level, of course, she'd be much better than Khan. So that is my position.

00:39:44.860 Khan has said, even if Michaela's school wouldn't host a Ramadan iftar,

00:39:48.080 I'll be voting for whoever the right wing candidate, English candidate is instead.

00:39:51.100 So she hosted as a conservative, the first conservative iftar in Westminster North.

00:39:56.100 So, you know, it's, if she, how Muslim is she again?

00:39:59.260 Anglican Islam is Khan.

00:40:00.360 Anglican Islam iftar. Yeah. Very long one from Khan, but he's just basically saying,

00:40:05.820 he says, people are trying to figure her out. And the simplest answer is,

00:40:10.240 she's only interested in politics as a path for self-promotion. She's a grifter.

00:40:14.080 She saw reform likely to form the next government, wrote learning the slip rich's values,

00:40:17.740 talking points to get ahead in a party desperate not to be called racist and was pushed as the

00:40:21.260 progressive proof face of the party. Pretty true. Sounds like bang on.

00:40:26.800 Pretty true. Yeah.

00:40:28.000 I think she does this to increase her personal advantage. She made headlines with a super

00:40:31.120 bum citizens arrest stunt and goes on. He's not wrong. I mean, yeah, she's ambitious.

00:40:36.400 She was in the Tories. Now she's in reform. She wants to get ahead.

00:40:40.260 She's also a bit of a lovey, right? Like she's, you know, come from the acting world. So it put,

00:40:44.940 you know, putting on a presentation is not difficult. Not that I'm saying she's lying or anything like

00:40:48.360 that, but like knowing how to present yourself to others to get a certain kind of perception

00:40:52.740 is acting. Yeah. She was, she actually did an app as well. She was going to, she went to America to

00:40:57.060 sell her app. So quite common. Yeah. She had like four kids with a different husband. Then she,

00:41:01.660 she's got seven kids, which is good on earth. Yeah. Certainly trying to keep the birth rate up.

00:41:05.600 Well, actually I've got a take about that later. So I'll go on to that later. But anyway,

00:41:09.060 that's Colin's take that it's self-interested grifting. Oh yeah. And I just gave, for some

00:41:13.360 reason I gave my take there. So I just said, um, she's yeah. Layla has more chance against

00:41:17.380 Khan than some previous candidates we've seen and would be better than him of, but she's

00:41:21.180 the ultimate civ now, essentially the Michaela school on legs, British values, et cetera.

00:41:24.660 I'm over it to be honest. That was my feeling on the day. The reason I put that first

00:41:27.540 is to prove that I said that first, but then Pete said the exact same thing.

00:41:30.940 Oh yeah. Pete North, Layla Cunningham is basically a Tory wet. Worse than that,

00:41:34.640 she's a right-wing lovey, as you said, same as Burblesing, as I said.

00:41:38.060 I was stealing from this tweet. Oh, okay. That she's foreign makes her even worse because

00:41:41.420 she's a novelty item, same as Badenock, a look where not racist mascot candidate. I've seen

00:41:45.500 enough of her to know that she's very much a political chameleon. So similar to Connor's

00:41:50.260 point, well made. And actually it's a Pete post. So it's about 10,000 words.

00:41:55.240 I like the fact that Pete writes these. Oh, it's great. I'm just saying not always ideal for

00:41:59.380 a short podcast segment. So read in your own time, get a crack out your whole story or your

00:42:03.560 Pete North tweets. And there are many during the day.

00:42:06.820 Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's incredible. Prolific. Here he said, now this is an interesting take.

00:42:12.120 Pete said reform policy should be not to contest the position and instead pledge to abolish the

00:42:16.520 post. I'll tell you what, that is an interesting take as well because that gives people outside

00:42:23.040 of London power over London. Right, right. Because a lot of people in the country resent London.

00:42:27.740 They resent London centrality in British politics. And if you're essentially giving people a way to

00:42:34.220 screw over London, you might get a kind of Brexit effect where it's like, yeah, you know what,

00:42:38.760 I'm not a huge fan of Farage, but I hate Sadiq Khan.

00:42:43.460 I resent London. I live there. So yeah, I know what you mean. But as you say, everyone hates Sadiq Khan.

00:42:48.360 Yeah, abolishing the post would be much better than Sadiq Khan because it would be, it's kind of like

00:42:52.260 the Peter Hitchens, when he always talks about the, what that story about the Aesop's fable.

00:42:57.480 Would you rather have the stork or the log? Remember that one? Is it the frogs? They said,

00:43:02.400 would you rather have a king stork or king log? So king log is just a log who does nothing and

00:43:07.020 they're all complaining. He doesn't do anything. And they go, okay, we're sending in the stork

00:43:10.240 and the stork eats them all. It's like, we want the log. So basically a log would be better

00:43:14.520 than the Sadiq Khan because it's actively damaging.

00:43:17.040 I mean, if I were Farage, I'd set up a kind of like vice royal position to London where

00:43:22.020 it's like, yeah, appointed by the government and for the period of the five years in the

00:43:26.280 parliament, right? So you're going to be the governor of London rather than the mayor of

00:43:29.460 London. So you're just appointed by the government. So when you elect a government, you know, you're

00:43:33.220 getting that style of governance over London, right? That's what I would do.

00:43:36.940 Yeah, because otherwise it's a weird fiefdom. It's a weird castle. It's bizarre.

00:43:40.660 Yeah. And it's also like giving too much to kind of like French revolutionary democracy.

00:43:44.260 Oh, everything should be voted for. No. You know, shut up.

00:43:47.500 Get rid of that.

00:43:48.020 Yeah.

00:43:49.340 Tommy Robinson is for Ant. He's Ant Middleton for mayor. Same as Dan.

00:43:53.820 I mean, I would be as well. And I, just to be clear, I'm really very sympathetic to Connor

00:43:57.680 and Dan Wootten's position of, I don't really want to vote for someone who represents the

00:44:04.020 demographic change of the country. Actually, I think actually we have to be able to vote for

00:44:09.780 ourselves and be able to confidently vote for ourselves because we are just as valid as

00:44:14.140 those people. In fact, in some cases more so because we're the native inhabitants of

00:44:18.540 the country. I don't think that's an unreasonable thing to say and an unreasonable position to

00:44:22.560 hold. So I'm actually very sympathetic to Dan and Connor's position here.

00:44:27.680 Yeah.

00:44:28.200 You don't seem to be very persuaded by that.

00:44:29.740 No, no, I am. I've just, no, no, I totally agree. I'm just, I suddenly, I got tired for a

00:44:34.980 moment. No, no, no, I totally agree.

00:44:36.440 Sorry, I'll stop talking.

00:44:37.240 Because I've made the whole, that's my whole case. I only tempered it slightly this morning

00:44:41.040 when I thought, oh, she's not that bad. And I felt bad because I got like 20 tweets lined

00:44:44.880 up about why she's awful. But no, I completely agree. We should be able to say, let's have

00:44:49.260 a, of course, it's our, but I've never agreed with giving up the capital. I was like, oh,

00:44:52.900 London's gone and we would give it up. No, no, it's the capital of England. It should

00:44:56.240 be English and it should not be run by an English person. Of course, what's wrong with

00:44:59.380 that? And I was like, oh, the cities are gone, give them up. London's gone. I'm like,

00:45:02.960 London's not gone. London's our capital. So I don't want to give it up. I'm from the

00:45:06.340 north. I'll always identify more as from the lakes or Cumbria or the north. But my

00:45:12.140 DNA, as we've seen, is from there. But London is our capital. I've been there

00:45:16.160 since 2009. We're not giving it up. So I don't get into that. Anyway.

00:45:19.680 So for balance, Aaron Bastani wasn't so keen. Why would Reform pick the, this is Ant Middleton

00:45:26.360 versus Layla, why would Reform pick the intelligent telegenic communicator capable of building a

00:45:30.400 larger coalition over the TV celebrity posting constant AI slop who called for a white militia

00:45:35.000 as a parallel structure to the police, but he also has bad qualities, Aaron.

00:45:38.680 And so are you saying that Ant Middleton is not telegenetic? Well, yeah, he's a TV

00:45:44.440 presenter. So that doesn't make any sense. He's a perfectly handsome man. Yeah, that's

00:45:46.680 true. Yeah. You know, like as if he's some sort of cave troll or something. Yeah, that's

00:45:49.420 weird because he's a cave troll or something. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's a good looking guy.

00:45:52.280 Yeah. He's like women like him and he's a TV, like SBS, zero action man. Ex-military guy.

00:45:58.080 He's not ugly or something. He's gone with a terrible, yeah, terrible. Yeah. Yeah.

00:46:01.440 That's weird. And he's a good communicator because he's a leader. Yeah. He's

00:46:04.040 leader. He was like a leader. He's and he's a TV. So it's not like he's bad at. No, he's

00:46:08.720 good at communication. That's nonsense. I think it's more about the white militia

00:46:11.640 stuff. Yeah, it's probably that. It's probably that. Maybe the AI slop. I don't know. Well,

00:46:15.000 the AI slop is pretty. Yeah. I love Ant because he's always like, just Edmund switch on. Just

00:46:18.960 switch on. If you ever watch his show, he beasts them for like 20 minutes. They're doing

00:46:22.440 like a thousand burpees. He's like, switch on. It's like, I'm nearly dead. It's not really

00:46:27.100 about switching on. I literally cannot physically move anymore. But he's just like constantly focus.

00:46:31.840 It's like, it's more of a cardio thing. Anyway, love Ant. But just for more balance,

00:46:37.740 because I'm a balanced guy, Ofcom trained, this guy, the virgin dork, right? Childless,

00:46:43.500 scared to visit London, probably has an Asian girlfriend anyway, does nothing to save Britain

00:46:46.720 versus the Chad, Leila Cunningham, raising seven blonde haired, blue eyed kids in inner London,

00:46:51.620 vigilante mum, may actually be, can't fit. Just give him balance.

00:46:56.560 How did he know I have an Asian girlfriend?

00:47:01.060 Well, I'm certainly like, you can't, I am

00:47:02.720 childless. You got me there. It's certainly not scared to

00:47:04.760 visit London. I'm there every day, toughing it out.

00:47:07.060 I'm disappointed. Definitely don't have an Asian girlfriend.

00:47:09.120 And I do loads to save Britain. But anyway,

00:47:11.020 just wanted to give balance. Who is he talking

00:47:12.840 about though? Like, who does he think he's addressing

00:47:14.800 there? I think,

00:47:16.960 I don't know. Is he Connor?

00:47:19.880 Connor's married.

00:47:20.980 Yeah, yeah, yeah. And he's working

00:47:22.780 hard to save Britain, you know, like all of us.

00:47:24.880 So he means he's got some right wing in their head

00:47:27.880 that they're saying they don't want, they don't want Leila.

00:47:30.560 I mean, I suppose Dan might be childless, but that would seem

00:47:33.300 to be a bit of an unfair attack. Anyway, I don't know.

00:47:36.100 I mean, who knows, but I wanted to give balance because

00:47:38.140 I'm a fair guy. But then I just suddenly added this on

00:47:41.180 the train because I thought, oh, but this is always the

00:47:43.240 problem though, ultimately with, with reform, which is

00:47:45.740 they're just, they're just stories.

00:47:48.540 I was going to say, I was going to say, I was going to say

00:47:51.540 in 2022, when you stood as a Conservative candidate,

00:47:54.880 Boris was the Prime Minister. If you felt that he was

00:47:57.020 betraying Brexit, why did you stand?

00:47:59.080 Quick question.

00:47:59.540 Because I stood for my area, for my community.

00:48:01.480 A very quick question for both of you.

00:48:02.080 Crime was rampant because the Tories left.

00:48:03.800 Hang on, excuse me. If the Tories are so bad,

00:48:05.780 why is Reform UK filling themselves full of them?

00:48:08.640 I can't answer that.

00:48:09.880 Oops.

00:48:12.780 But that's a great question.

00:48:14.200 Why are we having an argument

00:48:15.640 between two Tory wets?

00:48:17.380 It's so easy to answer this though.

00:48:20.540 Yeah.

00:48:21.660 That's weird. She could say they were the good ones.

00:48:24.400 She could say that.

00:48:25.300 That's what exactly I would have said.

00:48:26.400 We're carefully vetting them.

00:48:27.820 We're getting people like Danny Kruger who are smart and

00:48:30.220 who, you know, yeah.

00:48:31.760 They were trying to work behind the scenes.

00:48:33.760 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:48:34.280 They couldn't always get it done because of the other guys.

00:48:36.500 And when they saw that they couldn't get it done,

00:48:38.440 they came to us.

00:48:39.340 And then, and then Michelle goes, but what about Jake Berry?

00:48:41.580 And that's when you go, oh, is that the time?

00:48:42.880 And then you, but yeah.

00:48:44.040 I'm not at liberty to disclose that information, you know.

00:48:47.580 But yeah, but she's kind of off.

00:48:48.880 That's what I mean about Leia.

00:48:49.660 She kind of just says what she thinks.

00:48:50.700 She's not really on message.

00:48:51.700 Yeah.

00:48:51.860 The, obviously the on message thing would be to say,

00:48:54.360 we're carefully curating them.

00:48:55.780 We're already picking the best and all that.

00:48:57.280 And I got, Carl's got that look like I'm running over time.

00:48:59.300 I've gone.

00:48:59.900 I just wanted to say, because I also saw this.

00:49:04.000 This is in a context of,

00:49:06.080 you've got to see where Reform are going

00:49:07.460 and why I get, why I don't like them basically

00:49:09.960 and why I get attacked in the replies.

00:49:11.160 But because look at Zia Youssef is here in 2026

00:49:14.180 posting a, the left of the real racist post.

00:49:18.040 He says, Rachel Reeves comments to the Guardian

00:49:19.640 equating Britishness with race

00:49:21.160 are beyond the pale and overtly racist.

00:49:23.700 Here's Starman Mossacka.

00:49:24.640 And he has a long post.

00:49:25.820 Rachel Reeves comes out as an ethno-nationalist.

00:49:28.440 She believes only white people can be British.

00:49:30.200 And what this was, there was talk about-

00:49:32.440 You got her, Zia.

00:49:33.680 They were talking about a two-child benefit cap

00:49:35.620 and it being in place for everyone

00:49:37.040 except British-born families.

00:49:38.900 And she equated British-born with non-white

00:49:40.900 because she said, oh, what,

00:49:41.920 you only wanted to give it to white.

00:49:43.240 Does Nigel Farge want to go around and say,

00:49:45.020 white, you can have the money black.

00:49:46.400 I'm sorry, it's not for you.

00:49:47.620 So Rachel kind of unconsciously equated

00:49:49.440 British-born with white.

00:49:50.940 So now he's like, well, she's racist.

00:49:53.300 Which is-

00:49:53.700 Lord, give me the right-wingers

00:49:55.160 that the left think that we're going to get.

00:49:57.020 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:49:58.420 Or give us Rachel, base Rachel Reeves.

00:50:00.160 But like, Zia used to go in,

00:50:02.220 the left are the real racists,

00:50:04.080 whereas we're like super just sieve-natted

00:50:05.980 into oblivion, you know, Muslim,

00:50:08.480 multiple Muslim candidates.

00:50:09.960 Yeah.

00:50:10.280 I mean, they did a hilarious thumbnail,

00:50:11.940 Samson, for this, like,

00:50:13.400 which way London man, Muslim candidate,

00:50:15.540 you know, other Muslim candidates.

00:50:16.700 So-

00:50:17.040 Enjoy your choice.

00:50:18.680 The reason the reform was so annoying.

00:50:20.020 We should do the illusion of free choice.

00:50:22.480 Right.

00:50:23.300 It's just, so this is a wider zoom out of like,

00:50:25.680 but the thing is,

00:50:26.320 just a quick thing on this,

00:50:28.220 like, broadly speaking,

00:50:30.280 that is correct though, right?

00:50:32.220 Broadly speaking,

00:50:33.240 it is going to be that the,

00:50:34.920 lifting the two-child cap

00:50:35.900 is going to benefit a bunch of people

00:50:37.280 who weren't born here,

00:50:38.220 and you're going to pay for it.

00:50:39.920 So, like, Rachel Reeves,

00:50:42.180 unfortunately, is basically correct, Zia.

00:50:46.020 Yeah.

00:50:47.260 That's why I hate this whole line of attack.

00:50:49.460 Yeah.

00:50:49.680 And when Leila's saying,

00:50:51.680 oh, you're far right,

00:50:52.520 and we're all about trans people,

00:50:53.620 and when Zia's saying,

00:50:54.980 guess what, guys?

00:50:55.620 Rachel Reeves is a real racist.

00:50:56.820 I'm like, okay,

00:50:57.640 so this is Muslims calling me far right and racist.

00:51:00.160 Like, this is the right,

00:51:01.380 this is my base right-wing party, is it?

00:51:02.960 Yeah.

00:51:03.340 Come on.

00:51:04.260 Anyway, so that's that.

00:51:05.240 And anyway, but overall,

00:51:07.060 nothing against Leila,

00:51:08.560 but reform, lame.

00:51:11.300 Yeah.

00:51:12.340 Is that fair?

00:51:13.340 Unfortunately.

00:51:13.800 But still better than Khan.

00:51:14.880 Brackets better than Khan.

00:51:16.180 Brackets as anything would be,

00:51:18.100 including nothing.

00:51:19.120 Brackets still not voting for the Conservatives.

00:51:21.880 Yeah.

00:51:22.760 But would you vote for reform?

00:51:23.760 That's a bigger question.

00:51:24.600 I probably have to, to be honest.

00:51:26.980 The funny thing is...

00:51:27.520 I just don't see any options.

00:51:28.620 Right.

00:51:29.020 It's so academic in my area,

00:51:30.520 because Labour got more than twice,

00:51:33.760 Tories and reform combined last time,

00:51:35.780 and Greens came second,

00:51:37.200 so I'm like...

00:51:37.860 Oh, great.

00:51:38.780 Pointless voting system.

00:51:39.660 Get used to the Zach Polanski ethno-state.

00:51:43.400 Sorry.

00:51:43.980 Yeah, sorry.

00:51:44.420 Don't worry.

00:51:45.400 Yeah.

00:51:46.040 Mine's a bit more sad,

00:51:47.580 so prepare a bit.

00:51:49.800 Yeah.

00:51:50.620 Right.

00:51:50.960 Okay.

00:51:51.420 Let's see if that works.

00:51:53.920 Yeah.

00:51:54.500 Seems to be working.

00:51:55.540 Right.

00:51:57.000 Okay.

00:51:57.300 So I think one of the worst things about wokeness and the DEI thing

00:52:06.220 is that it doesn't care about the common good.

00:52:11.000 It doesn't care about the public safety.

00:52:13.180 Maybe the woke just care more about their ideological idea

00:52:17.960 and abstractions of racial quotas

00:52:21.020 and what group is represented in what particular distribution of offices,

00:52:25.920 and they don't care enough about

00:52:27.940 these people holding these offices, doing their work.

00:52:32.400 So it's very much anti-meritocratic,

00:52:35.020 and because it's anti-meritocratic,

00:52:37.180 it's against the common good.

00:52:39.140 It's against the public.

00:52:40.260 But the ideologue must feel self-satisfied

00:52:43.600 when they are achieving their own values

00:52:46.920 at the expense of society at large.

00:52:52.100 So it looks like lots of people in the police

00:52:57.800 are really among the worst of the country,

00:53:01.640 or some of them.

00:53:03.280 And there's the classic trope of people say,

00:53:05.800 right, it's the popos, it's the bad guys.

00:53:08.440 No, I'm talking about real life here.

00:53:10.700 I'm talking about actually bad people.

00:53:13.220 I mean, in this particular case,

00:53:15.320 you seem to have a really strong point.

00:53:17.720 Yeah, no, I'm talking about some really bad people.

00:53:22.460 And here we have, for instance,

00:53:24.180 a convicted child rapist.

00:53:26.380 Somehow he was hired to be a police officer.

00:53:31.700 Serial sex offender.

00:53:33.240 Yes, right.

00:53:34.760 So these articles that you can find on the internet,

00:53:38.220 you can find, for instance,

00:53:39.540 on the Daily Mail,

00:53:42.480 rapists and violent thugs were hired by the Met

00:53:44.780 as full checks were axed in rush to recruit officers,

00:53:48.460 force admits,

00:53:49.700 and then Met hired child rape suspect in Diversity Drive.

00:53:54.000 They are really information dense,

00:53:57.220 and it's lots of information there,

00:53:59.380 but they're badly structured.

00:54:00.740 So I'm going to help you a bit with the structure.

00:54:02.300 I'm not going to read from the text.

00:54:04.520 Occasionally, I'm going to tell you roughly what happened.

00:54:07.700 So there were two things.

00:54:10.080 There was a boost.

00:54:12.140 There was an attempt to boost the numbers of police officers.

00:54:16.360 And there was a pressure to meet

00:54:19.640 the previous Met chief's diversity quotes.

00:54:24.080 Prasida Dick.

00:54:24.700 Prasida Dick,

00:54:25.500 who came up with the quota,

00:54:28.440 the following percentage,

00:54:29.960 40% ethnic minority people

00:54:33.660 need to be represented in the force.

00:54:35.920 It doesn't matter whether they feel,

00:54:38.000 whether they're good at what they're doing.

00:54:40.160 They need 40% representation.

00:54:43.220 And that's more important in the eyes of the ideologue

00:54:47.360 than these people actually doing their job.

00:54:50.200 So these two things were a recipe for disaster.

00:54:54.200 And let me give you some numbers.

00:54:55.680 From the period between 2013 and 2023,

00:55:02.140 there were around 5,000 officers and staff members

00:55:06.200 who were hired and recruited

00:55:08.300 without undergoing the necessary background checks.

00:55:11.500 And there were an extra 17,500

00:55:18.540 who were hired without the references being checked.

00:55:26.800 So standards were completely dropped

00:55:29.160 when it came to 5,000 people.

00:55:31.500 So that's over 20,000 police officers

00:55:33.540 who could well be serious child sex offenders.

00:55:37.220 Yes.

00:55:38.000 During COVID, it got even more laxed, didn't it?

00:55:40.320 Because they weren't doing

00:55:41.220 the usual in-person interviews and things like that.

00:55:43.500 The standards got even worse.

00:55:44.800 Yeah.

00:55:45.000 So I'll give you four numbers, 17.5K,

00:55:48.500 5K, 130, and then 13.

00:55:51.860 And I'll explain.

00:55:53.480 Right.

00:55:53.740 So as I said before,

00:55:56.080 there were 5,000 people who were hired

00:55:59.320 without even basic background checks.

00:56:02.140 And then there were 17.5K who were hired

00:56:05.660 with some checks,

00:56:07.960 but without the proper double and triple checking

00:56:11.740 that occurs in many other places.

00:56:15.520 And if it should happen somewhere,

00:56:19.780 if you need to double and triple check...

00:56:21.520 It has to be in the police and it should be multiple.

00:56:22.920 It has to be in the police.

00:56:23.740 Yeah.

00:56:24.180 When people are in power.

00:56:27.840 And then Scotland Yard said

00:56:29.920 that about 130 officers who were hired of them

00:56:33.880 went to commit misdemeanors and crimes.

00:56:37.740 And this serial sex offender here,

00:56:42.160 Cliff Mitchell,

00:56:43.120 he was hired despite being accused,

00:56:47.940 having been accused of being a sex offender.

00:56:50.640 So what happened there was

00:56:52.580 Cress the Dick had this push

00:56:55.600 for 40% diversity representation,

00:57:00.560 minority ethnic representation.

00:57:02.580 And there was a committee that was set up

00:57:06.500 and it investigated why candidates

00:57:11.180 from particular minorities were not given the job,

00:57:16.180 why their applications were rejected.

00:57:17.740 And they opened the cases again

00:57:20.860 and they said,

00:57:21.760 all right,

00:57:21.960 let's be more lenient.

00:57:23.300 Was this guy one of them?

00:57:24.320 This guy was one of them.

00:57:25.420 So he was rejected

00:57:25.720 from raping multiple children?

00:57:28.000 Wait,

00:57:28.460 so he was accused of being a rapist.

00:57:31.540 Right.

00:57:32.360 His application was rejected.

00:57:35.220 And then that committee came across and said,

00:57:38.380 well,

00:57:38.520 no,

00:57:38.720 we need to change that.

00:57:40.720 And we need to give

00:57:42.360 we need to give these people

00:57:44.500 a chance to be more represented.

00:57:47.420 And they hired him.

00:57:48.680 Well,

00:57:48.800 the rapist community needs representation.

00:57:51.000 He was accused then,

00:57:52.080 but after that,

00:57:53.140 he was found

00:57:54.020 and he was convicted

00:57:55.760 of 13 counts of rape.

00:57:58.980 And out of these 13...

00:57:59.680 How is he not in jail?

00:58:00.900 No,

00:58:01.420 he is in jail right now.

00:58:02.500 Oh,

00:58:02.800 right.

00:58:03.500 It says here,

00:58:04.780 he is serving a sentence.

00:58:06.020 Yeah,

00:58:06.160 but you,

00:58:06.740 oh,

00:58:07.380 he is in jail.

00:58:07.820 Well,

00:58:07.900 he might not have been.

00:58:08.880 He can't wait to get back on the beat.

00:58:10.220 Yeah.

00:58:10.880 Getting,

00:58:11.760 making your streets safe

00:58:12.840 from people like him.

00:58:13.920 Yeah,

00:58:14.460 just...

00:58:15.400 And out of these...

00:58:16.160 The feminists complaining about the Sarah Everard case

00:58:17.900 starting to sound like they have a point.

00:58:19.980 Yeah.

00:58:20.340 Genuinely.

00:58:21.440 We will talk about it

00:58:22.700 because I do have a,

00:58:23.920 you know,

00:58:24.140 within quotation marks,

00:58:25.160 a blast from the past.

00:58:26.340 But one thing that,

00:58:27.560 I mean,

00:58:27.760 obviously any kind of,

00:58:29.780 and any rape is absolutely horrible.

00:58:32.840 Six out of these 13 were children.

00:58:38.320 What was going through his mind,

00:58:40.020 being like,

00:58:40.420 yeah,

00:58:40.540 you know what,

00:58:40.860 I think I need to become a police officer now.

00:58:42.600 And they say here,

00:58:44.180 the met police hired officers

00:58:45.540 who failed background checks

00:58:46.960 to boost diversity,

00:58:48.280 including a man accused of raping a child.

00:58:51.060 More than 100 applicants

00:58:52.560 who initially failed.

00:58:54.800 Vetting procedures

00:58:55.520 were later allowed to join

00:58:57.200 after the cases were referred

00:58:58.520 to a special panel

00:58:59.460 set up to scrutinize

00:59:00.980 rejected applications

00:59:02.120 from ethnic minority candidates

00:59:04.340 and help the force made diversity targets.

00:59:07.840 They included police constable

00:59:09.820 Cliff Mitchell,

00:59:11.860 who was recruited

00:59:12.940 despite having been accused

00:59:15.520 of raping a child.

00:59:17.720 His application

00:59:18.640 was initially rejected,

00:59:20.120 but this decision was overturned.

00:59:22.180 He was later convicted

00:59:23.400 of 13 counts of rape,

00:59:24.640 including sex against a child.

00:59:25.960 So we can conjure up an idea

00:59:30.280 of who was involved

00:59:32.320 in that committee,

00:59:33.420 the reasons they were involved

00:59:34.900 in that committee,

00:59:36.040 what went through their minds,

00:59:38.040 and they knew

00:59:40.000 that this was a person

00:59:42.240 who was accused of this.

00:59:44.380 I think Shabana Mahmoud

00:59:45.620 and also the current Met Chief,

00:59:48.560 Mark Rowley,

00:59:49.620 have taken action

00:59:51.400 and they have said

00:59:52.100 that this is massive dereliction of duty,

00:59:54.460 especially when it happened

00:59:56.160 between 2013 and 2023,

00:59:58.760 and we have to mention there

00:59:59.980 that this is mostly Tory.

01:00:02.160 The base Shabana Mahmoud

01:00:03.560 has come in

01:00:04.020 to clean up the Tory mess.

01:00:05.160 That was within Tory.

01:00:07.560 Leila Cunningham also said

01:00:08.560 she would sack Mark Rowley,

01:00:10.320 so you'll be hoping

01:00:11.060 she doesn't get in.

01:00:12.420 It's incredible, isn't it?

01:00:13.200 The evils of DEI

01:00:14.600 are sort of untold.

01:00:15.800 It's a Pandora's box.

01:00:16.960 You know,

01:00:17.060 you think about

01:00:17.480 that recent article

01:00:18.740 and what it's done

01:00:19.700 to a whole generation

01:00:20.720 or two generations

01:00:21.460 of white men,

01:00:22.240 but there are all sorts

01:00:23.080 of untold effects

01:00:23.900 people don't think of.

01:00:24.960 Plane crashes

01:00:25.540 and all these things,

01:00:26.340 but these things as well.

01:00:27.540 And by the way,

01:00:28.380 why do you have to represent everyone?

01:00:30.780 I think maybe

01:00:31.260 the only role I can think of

01:00:32.960 that has an argument for that

01:00:33.700 is literally a member of parliament

01:00:35.160 because they're a representative.

01:00:37.300 But even then,

01:00:37.960 if we're assuming

01:00:38.580 we're in this meritocracy

01:00:39.860 and we're saying

01:00:40.820 we're not just

01:00:41.280 in some sectarian culture,

01:00:43.060 then why should you have set?

01:00:44.600 It should just be

01:00:45.040 are they representing your interests,

01:00:46.300 not their skin color or something.

01:00:48.700 So why does everyone

01:00:49.440 have to be represented?

01:00:50.160 But also here,

01:00:51.740 as they say here,

01:00:53.320 there were 25 officers

01:00:55.440 who were given

01:00:56.880 a second chance

01:00:57.740 who went on

01:00:58.440 to commit criminal offenses

01:01:00.280 or misconduct,

01:01:01.520 including violence,

01:01:02.480 sex attacks and drug use.

01:01:04.700 So this is,

01:01:07.120 imagine this committee

01:01:09.580 being set up

01:01:10.760 by people who say,

01:01:12.180 all right,

01:01:12.560 I don't care about

01:01:13.360 the common good.

01:01:14.680 I care about diversity quotas.

01:01:16.980 Or they may think that

01:01:19.440 all they need to do

01:01:21.300 in order to promote

01:01:22.760 the common good

01:01:23.500 is to fill diversity quotas,

01:01:25.400 which isn't the case.

01:01:26.600 Because you have people

01:01:28.160 sometimes who just

01:01:29.040 don't do their jobs

01:01:29.960 and people sometimes

01:01:31.180 who just shouldn't be there.

01:01:33.820 How did these conversations go?

01:01:35.360 Sorry, Senior Constable.

01:01:37.180 This guy has been accused

01:01:38.980 of raping six children

01:01:40.280 and six women.

01:01:41.020 Well, it's the system's fault.

01:01:42.520 It's society's fault, always.

01:01:44.600 Does that stop him

01:01:45.680 from being black?

01:01:48.720 Yeah, exactly.

01:01:50.080 Because the idea,

01:01:50.980 one argument is,

01:01:52.280 oh, we can only police

01:01:53.720 certain communities

01:01:54.340 by having people

01:01:55.100 that look like them.

01:01:56.080 But it's still a job

01:01:57.000 that requires competence

01:01:58.160 above all else.

01:01:59.100 It's not just like showing up,

01:02:00.260 hey, I look like you.

01:02:00.940 It's like,

01:02:01.340 you've actually got to stop people.

01:02:02.580 Not even competence.

01:02:03.960 Like, okay,

01:02:04.380 if you're an incompetent

01:02:05.560 police officer

01:02:06.460 who's a DIA hire,

01:02:07.760 okay, fair enough.

01:02:08.440 You don't catch any criminals.

01:02:09.440 I know, yeah.

01:02:09.920 A lot of them don't catch...

01:02:10.960 This is next level.

01:02:11.540 Yeah, this is way worse.

01:02:12.300 Don't be an actual rapist.

01:02:14.820 Yes.

01:02:15.840 And they're kicking out,

01:02:16.880 sorry,

01:02:17.100 they're getting rid of white people

01:02:17.960 just like the RAF,

01:02:19.240 useless white males.

01:02:20.340 Imagine all the white guys

01:02:21.320 who were competent,

01:02:22.000 like, get out.

01:02:23.560 Yeah, a huge part is this,

01:02:25.340 but also in some of these cases,

01:02:27.520 it's not necessarily targeted

01:02:29.300 against whites.

01:02:30.460 Not that there isn't

01:02:31.520 the DIA idea that,

01:02:33.740 you know,

01:02:34.200 but the way that they carve up

01:02:36.860 these groups

01:02:37.460 and those minorities

01:02:38.340 sometimes includes whites.

01:02:39.640 So it's not...

01:02:40.140 Imagine...

01:02:40.700 And for instance,

01:02:41.580 they...

01:02:41.940 Hang on,

01:02:42.280 there probably were.

01:02:43.540 There probably were white people

01:02:44.600 who were going for the job

01:02:45.540 that this guy got.

01:02:46.380 Yeah.

01:02:46.620 Imagine you sat in the

01:02:47.520 bloody interview room

01:02:48.460 and you're like,

01:02:49.780 okay, well,

01:02:50.080 I'm going to go for it.

01:02:50.800 I think I'm a good candidate.

01:02:52.100 No, they went for the sex offender.

01:02:53.720 Sorry, mate,

01:02:54.140 we've got a serial rapist

01:02:55.040 in the other room

01:02:55.620 who's looking pretty good

01:02:56.760 for this job right now.

01:02:58.100 Why?

01:02:58.680 He's dark melanin.

01:02:59.860 And as we know,

01:03:00.620 the Cheshire police

01:03:01.440 were successfully sued for this,

01:03:02.760 but that's very rare

01:03:03.520 given the amount of times

01:03:05.120 it happens, yeah.

01:03:05.800 And I want to...

01:03:07.780 Well, there have been several

01:03:09.120 and it's, you know,

01:03:11.080 from all over the population groups.

01:03:16.360 But I want to show you this

01:03:18.440 because it shows

01:03:19.720 the systemic aspect of it.

01:03:21.280 So Cress the Dick

01:03:22.340 was the previous Met chief.

01:03:24.760 And as it says here in Wikipedia,

01:03:27.420 and we're remembered

01:03:28.060 by the previous Wikipedia CEO

01:03:29.920 that sometimes concern about facts

01:03:32.600 gets in the way

01:03:33.720 of creating a helpful consensus.

01:03:35.900 And here Wikipedia says

01:03:37.120 she is both the first female

01:03:38.860 and the first openly homosexual officer

01:03:41.620 to lead the Met police.

01:03:44.260 Right.

01:03:44.800 So she came up with a 40% diversity quota.

01:03:48.100 She just came up with it.

01:03:49.600 And I want...

01:03:51.800 No comment about the rest of them.

01:03:54.000 I want to show you...

01:03:55.600 Mark Rowley's only the second, man.

01:03:57.400 As it says here that

01:03:59.640 details of the vetting blunders

01:04:03.160 emerged in a review commissioned

01:04:04.760 by the Met

01:04:05.340 in the wake of a string of scandals

01:04:06.940 involving serving officers

01:04:09.260 who had slid through the net,

01:04:10.700 such as Wayne Cousins,

01:04:11.820 who went on to murder Sarah Everard

01:04:14.140 and David Carrick, a serial rapist.

01:04:16.500 And I want to show

01:04:17.880 how the BBC presented

01:04:19.540 back then,

01:04:21.360 back during the Sarah Everard murder,

01:04:25.120 that tragedy,

01:04:26.120 how it was presented back then.

01:04:28.700 And let us see

01:04:29.780 how the narrative

01:04:31.580 was circulated about this event

01:04:35.200 and how that narrative

01:04:37.120 sort of justified

01:04:39.220 setting up that committee.

01:04:42.100 And then we'll compare it

01:04:43.780 to what the BBC said here.

01:04:47.680 Obviously, I mean,

01:04:48.540 the BBC is the BBC.

01:04:49.980 You'd expect it to be partial

01:04:51.600 towards some people.

01:04:53.200 So it says here,

01:04:53.900 11th of February,

01:04:55.540 four years ago,

01:04:56.760 2022,

01:04:57.560 Cressida Dick

01:04:58.300 to step down

01:04:59.340 as Metropolitan Police Chief.

01:05:01.340 So they're saying

01:05:02.180 that she is leaving her role

01:05:04.400 after a series

01:05:05.080 of damaging controversies.

01:05:06.880 And what do you think

01:05:07.780 are these controversies?

01:05:09.480 I can see

01:05:10.140 disgraceful misogyny,

01:05:11.860 discrimination,

01:05:12.740 sex harassment.

01:05:13.480 So the controversy

01:05:16.160 was that she wasn't

01:05:17.600 woke enough.

01:05:18.380 And let us look at here.

01:05:19.900 I clicked on the other link

01:05:21.100 that they have here.

01:05:21.360 Sex offender is woke enough.

01:05:22.500 Yeah.

01:05:22.780 Crisis and controversies

01:05:24.080 of Met Chief.

01:05:25.440 So they're saying

01:05:26.360 that perhaps

01:05:27.880 the most high profile,

01:05:30.200 she was saying basically

01:05:31.360 that allegations

01:05:32.860 relating to

01:05:33.860 an unholy trinity

01:05:35.320 of dishonesty,

01:05:37.040 prejudice,

01:05:37.460 and incompetence

01:05:38.640 dogged the Met

01:05:39.600 for almost all

01:05:40.440 of her tenure

01:05:40.980 and they made it

01:05:42.580 about her

01:05:43.800 not being woke enough.

01:05:45.400 A serving Met officer

01:05:46.560 with a record

01:05:47.120 of indecent exposure

01:05:47.980 and a nickname

01:05:48.520 of The Rapist.

01:05:49.900 Yes.

01:05:50.760 So they made it.

01:05:51.380 That could be any of them.

01:05:52.260 So she made it

01:05:53.620 about race.

01:05:55.700 She made it also

01:05:56.660 about,

01:05:57.320 you know,

01:05:57.840 a diversity thing.

01:06:02.400 And fast forward

01:06:03.460 to today,

01:06:04.520 we see that

01:06:05.080 the very attempt

01:06:06.560 to frame this event

01:06:08.140 as, you know,

01:06:09.740 white people

01:06:10.780 were,

01:06:11.500 white police officers

01:06:12.580 were bad,

01:06:14.420 misogynistic,

01:06:15.080 and racist

01:06:15.860 did lead to

01:06:17.920 that committee

01:06:18.540 being set up,

01:06:19.760 to that committee

01:06:20.660 being saying,

01:06:21.240 right,

01:06:21.420 we need to have

01:06:22.900 less of them

01:06:23.660 because they're white.

01:06:24.880 We need to have

01:06:25.320 less of them

01:06:25.900 and we need

01:06:26.740 not to care about

01:06:28.320 their performances

01:06:29.580 and the background checks

01:06:30.680 and their CVs.

01:06:31.820 We need to care about

01:06:33.280 group representation

01:06:34.920 in the distribution

01:06:36.420 of offices

01:06:37.000 in the force.

01:06:40.720 So if we

01:06:41.560 bear in mind

01:06:42.540 what they did

01:06:43.380 and how they

01:06:44.020 covered this case,

01:06:45.380 the way that they

01:06:46.640 circulated the narrative

01:06:48.340 about it

01:06:49.040 and what they were

01:06:50.200 trying to justify

01:06:51.220 with it

01:06:51.800 and where that led

01:06:52.860 to the real-life

01:06:54.060 consequences

01:06:54.680 where this led,

01:06:56.220 I think we have to,

01:06:57.280 we can say

01:06:57.920 safely,

01:06:59.360 yet again,

01:06:59.940 this is one of the,

01:07:00.820 this is one of the cases

01:07:02.160 that shows that

01:07:03.200 wokeness

01:07:04.400 and this progressivist

01:07:05.600 ideology

01:07:06.220 is really

01:07:07.540 socially corrosive

01:07:09.360 and it doesn't

01:07:10.220 promote the common good,

01:07:11.160 it doesn't make people

01:07:12.020 safer

01:07:12.380 of any

01:07:13.400 group.

01:07:14.980 Wow.

01:07:15.840 Yeah.

01:07:16.100 It's supposed to be

01:07:16.260 helping out the rapists.

01:07:17.820 Yeah, well this,

01:07:18.260 this was tricky

01:07:18.720 because there was one thing

01:07:19.900 which was gallows humor

01:07:20.880 and WhatsApp groups

01:07:21.620 between police officers

01:07:22.520 which obviously would happen

01:07:23.460 which is sort of normal.

01:07:24.920 Then there was,

01:07:25.820 okay,

01:07:26.140 this guy

01:07:26.580 is called a rapist

01:07:28.020 and he actually is

01:07:28.700 a horrific

01:07:29.260 rapist and killer

01:07:30.620 so that's actually a problem

01:07:31.920 and then there's

01:07:32.820 this overreaction

01:07:33.480 as you say

01:07:33.960 bringing in

01:07:34.580 or just this terrible idea

01:07:35.680 to bring,

01:07:36.140 yeah,

01:07:36.300 a representation.

01:07:38.000 So,

01:07:38.860 it's,

01:07:39.180 they're sort of all mixed together.

01:07:40.240 They've got enough

01:07:41.020 of an argument there

01:07:42.280 because they've got,

01:07:43.020 they use the fact that

01:07:43.740 hang on,

01:07:44.000 this one guy was awful

01:07:45.240 therefore all white officers

01:07:46.620 having banter

01:07:47.300 and WhatsApp groups

01:07:47.980 are essentially evil.

01:07:49.160 Yeah.

01:07:49.620 And you remember

01:07:50.460 the completely unstable narrative

01:07:52.900 that somehow

01:07:54.240 Western culture,

01:07:55.500 white culture,

01:07:56.300 European culture

01:07:57.140 or male culture

01:07:58.380 is somehow

01:07:59.580 pro-rape

01:08:01.360 which isn't the case.

01:08:04.000 You mentioned as before

01:08:05.820 you can have gallows humor

01:08:07.160 but at the end of the day

01:08:08.700 when we have people

01:08:10.080 expressing

01:08:11.600 these views

01:08:13.260 or things,

01:08:14.180 everyone thinks,

01:08:15.980 the first thing

01:08:16.740 that comes to mind

01:08:17.400 is,

01:08:17.720 well,

01:08:17.940 do I want him

01:08:18.680 to be around me?

01:08:19.840 Do I want him

01:08:20.420 to be around other people?

01:08:22.680 Do I want this person

01:08:24.220 to be around my loved ones?

01:08:26.020 So this,

01:08:26.700 it's very socially corrosive

01:08:28.980 when we have people

01:08:30.560 of this intensely

01:08:32.580 ideological worldview

01:08:34.280 and disposition

01:08:35.740 to be in the place

01:08:37.380 where they get,

01:08:38.520 they aren't just involved

01:08:39.780 in the decision-making process,

01:08:41.440 they're involved

01:08:42.180 in very sensitive decisions.

01:08:46.380 Just look at the bed

01:08:47.180 they've made them

01:08:47.740 for themselves.

01:08:48.600 Yeah.

01:08:48.860 Like look at what

01:08:49.460 they are now dealing with.

01:08:50.640 Oh,

01:08:50.820 we've got this insane rapist

01:08:53.020 who we hired

01:08:53.620 because he was black.

01:08:55.020 Yeah,

01:08:55.180 they've also had to lower

01:08:55.980 all their fitness standards

01:08:57.080 because of hiring loads

01:08:58.240 of women

01:08:58.580 who are four foot.

01:09:00.000 So yeah,

01:09:00.340 the whole thing.

01:09:01.380 That's why I say

01:09:01.760 when you do these kind of things,

01:09:02.720 you just open a Pandora's box

01:09:03.980 of all kinds

01:09:04.620 of unintended consequences.

01:09:05.680 And if you need one day

01:09:16.980 and you just 대 cripto

01:09:18.840 with having to fix it

01:09:19.700 to determine

01:09:20.840 that it can only hvis

01:09:21.920 it has used

01:09:22.880 to meditate

01:09:24.420 in a sensing jar

01:09:25.300 because it will evil

01:09:26.360 as well.

01:09:27.040 So yeah,

01:09:27.220 so we did

01:09:28.000 what happens

01:09:28.600 at daddy as one day

01:09:29.380 and he wants

01:09:29.880 to escape

01:09:30.480 and avoid

01:09:31.140 everything

01:09:31.440 because

01:09:31.980 that's right.

01:09:32.420 With that

01:09:32.920 thrown

01:09:33.300 just

The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - January 09, 2026

The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1329

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