The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters

00:00:00.000 Hello and welcome to the podcast of Lothar Seas episode 1334. I'm your host Harry, joined today

00:00:06.920 by part-timer Josh. Hello. And part-timer Nick. Hello. How are you both doing? Not too bad,

00:00:13.580 it's Friday. Enjoying your time off? Good. My time off? Busier than ever, you cheeky so-and-so.

00:00:18.700 I do more than Josh now, I think. I think I'm more all-time than him. Ladies, ladies, it's not

00:00:22.800 competition. You can have that, I did this long enough. Come on, it's all right. Today we're

00:00:27.760 going to be talking about the latest batch of Tory defections. I'm going to be talking

00:00:32.820 about the dismal conditions and prospects for Britain's pubs in the future under Labour.

00:00:37.980 And Josh is going to be discussing how Europeans are different and strange and weird compared

00:00:42.840 to everybody else in the world. And that also means the Europeans that went to the other 0.95

00:00:47.000 parts of the world. So Americans, Canadians, Australians, New Zealanders. Ah, and that little 0.82

00:00:53.000 town in South Africa, though. The tiny part of South Africa that works, yes.

00:00:59.060 We're all going there eventually. The one bit, yeah. There'll be one tiny enclave where all

00:01:04.040 white people live. And we're having constant border wars with everyone trying to get in. 0.78

00:01:09.400 They're not trying to take our territory, they're just after benefits. 1.00

00:01:11.800 It's the most polite place ever with incredible literature and everything works. Great sanitation.

00:01:17.460 I'm just projecting. Anyway, sorry. No, this is what's going to happen. And Josh is going

00:01:21.640 to explain to us how and why it always happens. But with that, by Islander, let's get into it.

00:01:28.740 Yeah. Okay. I think it's me. So let's start with the latest Tory bleep storm. So for those

00:01:33.860 that don't follow this stuff obsessively or you're in America or something, I'll update

00:01:37.140 you. I don't mean to always do party politics. I was going to talk about this Chinese spy embassy.

00:01:40.560 We were going to talk about Nick Fuentes.

00:01:42.200 Yeah, again. And the Chinese spy embassy in the heart of London. But instead, it all kicked

00:01:46.140 off. So I had to talk about this because Kemi Badenock, leader of the Tories, has sacked

00:01:50.100 Robert Jenrick, who was her main rival for the leadership. And he's still sort of knocking

00:01:57.060 around, being a bit leader-y. She didn't like that. But then it hit the fan when his resignation

00:02:01.820 letter was leaked. I mean, he'd written his resignation letter and it was so resign-y

00:02:06.420 and it was so reform-y. It was like, reform are amazing. Tories are rubbish. Hope no one

00:02:10.200 sees this. And she found it.

00:02:12.360 Sure would be a shame if Nigel Farage saw this one, hey?

00:02:15.180 It was like Scooby-Doo level plot point. You're like, that wouldn't happen. But then

00:02:18.560 upon further reading, it turned out what ended up happening was there was basically a traitor

00:02:23.300 in his midst. So someone leaked it to Kemi. Originally, it was said that it was lying

00:02:27.940 around. Just lying around the office.

00:02:30.420 He leaves copies of his resignation all around.

00:02:33.180 What it actually was is he has a traitor who he needs to track down and destroy because

00:02:36.680 someone was being a double agent and leaked it to Kemi. So then Kemi found out and she

00:02:41.000 had no choice, she felt, but to sack him. And she was trying to do it before the reform

00:02:44.680 press conference, which they were worried was to leak, was to launch Generic because

00:02:49.580 they had a press conference about Scotland that no one really cared about. Then they

00:02:52.080 had another one at 4.30 and people were like, oh no, that's the Generic one. Farage claims

00:02:56.240 it never was. So we'll get into it. But this is what Kemi did. She had to come out and

00:02:59.540 so she's like, right, what I'm going to have to do is have a weird blurred background and

00:03:03.860 do a strange Zoom video.

00:03:04.820 Where is she then?

00:03:05.440 This is your HR manager.

00:03:06.620 This is your HR manager from Nigeria. I mean, she doesn't have enough ethnic enemies in 1.00

00:03:11.920 the north of Nigeria. That's not racism. That's a quote from Kemi. She talked about

00:03:15.980 her, she said, actually, I don't really see myself as Nigerian. I'm Yoruba and those

00:03:19.740 people in the north are my ethnic enemies. Now she's got even more enemies.

00:03:23.440 This is what I, the kind of rhetoric I want. I see northerners as my ethnic enemies.

00:03:27.900 How dare you?

00:03:28.500 Oh, see, that's why.

00:03:30.500 Oh yeah, sorry.

00:03:31.480 Oh, you're letting the team down, Nick.

00:03:33.680 I had an important call at 12.30, but they've called 35 minutes late, so it's not my fault.

00:03:40.100 Clearly they're not.

00:03:40.700 Why isn't your phone on silent?

00:03:41.980 Clearly they're not European. 0.98

00:03:42.640 Why do you always have your phone out on the desk?

00:03:44.820 Because I'm timing my segments and I don't have to go over because I'm European.

00:03:47.740 Okay.

00:03:48.400 All right. Speaking of...

00:03:50.200 I might defect to southerners now.

00:03:52.240 Apparently Kemi... 0.94

00:03:52.780 I will welcome you.

00:03:53.740 Apparently Kemi's always late, but that's just a coincidence.

00:03:56.540 Let's watch what she said.

00:03:57.920 I removed the conservative whip from Robert Jenrick after dismissing him from the shadow cabinet.

00:04:03.680 I was very sorry to be presented with clear, irrefutable evidence, not just that he was preparing to defect, but he was planning to do so in the most damaging way possible to the Conservative Party and his shadow cabinet colleagues.

00:04:18.780 It is my responsibility to protect our party, and faced with that information, I took the only decision that any responsible leader could.

00:04:29.880 Because the British public are tired of political psychodrama.

00:04:33.920 So am I.

00:04:35.260 They saw too much of it in the last government.

00:04:37.820 They're seeing too much of it in this government.

00:04:40.080 I will not repeat those mistakes.

00:04:42.300 When I was elected leader, I committed to doing politics differently.

00:04:48.320 Disloyalty and dishonesty undermine trust in politics.

00:04:52.080 They're also disrespectful to our party members, our councillors, MPs, and most of all, voters.

00:04:59.240 You all deserve better.

00:05:01.980 Conservatives suffered a heavy defeat in 2024.

00:05:04.840 That was painful, but we are rebuilding, with strong principles, clear plans, and with a serious team united around a shared purpose.

00:05:16.040 When individuals choose to walk away from that effort for personal ambition, it tells you nothing about the Conservative Party and everything you need to know about them.

00:05:26.100 There will be more to say, and I know a lot of commentary about this decision, but I want you all to be in no doubt.

00:05:35.300 It's a time of global uncertainty.

00:05:37.700 I am focused on holding the government to account, ensuring they are acting in the national interest,

00:05:43.980 and that Conservatives deliver a proper plan for a stronger economy, stronger borders, and a stronger Britain.

00:05:51.060 So, one thing I couldn't put my finger on there is, that sounded very weird to me.

00:05:57.560 And it almost sounded like she was reading the script for an advert or something in her intonation as she was saying that.

00:06:03.220 Like, I was just like, sorry, I don't want to buy insurance.

00:06:05.840 Some people said it was like being told off by your HR manager.

00:06:07.980 Well, yeah, this feels very, very low rent.

00:06:10.660 This makes the Tory party, to me, look even worse,

00:06:13.480 because obviously not only are they experiencing all of these people jumping ship,

00:06:17.500 which makes it look like the Tory party is a sinking ship,

00:06:20.080 but also, I know they wanted to get this out quickly to get ahead of the story.

00:06:24.720 Could they not have gone to an office?

00:06:26.820 Does she not have an office? 0.95

00:06:28.440 Can the Tories not afford an office and camera anymore?

00:06:31.760 Why did she just film this?

00:06:33.060 It's like she just immediately put her laptop screen up

00:06:35.440 and just recorded it off the camera with the blurred background.

00:06:37.880 It's so low rent and unprofessional looking.

00:06:40.360 Well, to be very fair, an actor's, Kemi's representative,

00:06:42.640 which I never thought I'd do,

00:06:43.400 because I literally was at a birthday party with Kemi when she was running,

00:06:46.980 and I told everyone I was team generic,

00:06:48.540 even though she was there,

00:06:50.740 because that's the kind of guy I am.

00:06:51.460 I don't go to parties anymore.

00:06:52.700 But to be very fair,

00:06:54.780 they were trying to get it out,

00:06:55.680 not just to beat the 4.30 press conference,

00:06:57.600 but to ambush Farage during his previous press conference,

00:07:01.360 where he was with the Scottish bloke,

00:07:02.840 and they started asking Farage questions about,

00:07:04.600 what about generic?

00:07:07.260 Kemi's just sacked him,

00:07:08.160 so he's in the press conference,

00:07:09.220 and he's good.

00:07:09.620 The thing is, Farage is good at reacting,

00:07:10.720 so he just said,

00:07:11.740 he goes, well, I'll buy him a drink and see what he wants to do.

00:07:13.760 So he reacted quite well to it,

00:07:15.260 but they wanted to try and at least ambush Farage,

00:07:17.980 given that that was their best option at that time.

00:07:20.060 So I suppose that's why they did it in a travel lodge.

00:07:24.580 I will say that she is right

00:07:27.340 when she's essentially calling him an opportunist.

00:07:29.700 Oh yeah, yeah.

00:07:30.220 He clearly is.

00:07:30.940 He's a political operator.

00:07:32.160 He's an opportunist.

00:07:33.360 He was the main person

00:07:35.520 welcoming in all of these Afghan refugees.

00:07:38.280 Sneaky Afghan movement, yeah. 1.00

00:07:39.880 Yeah, a few years ago,

00:07:41.380 that he then tried to flip around last year

00:07:43.960 and say, oh my god, this is so terrible,

00:07:45.760 I can't believe that somebody would do this

00:07:47.560 when it was him.

00:07:48.640 It was him doing it.

00:07:49.580 20,000 individuals,

00:07:50.980 and therefore, including their families,

00:07:53.000 maybe around 80,000 to 100,000 people.

00:07:56.500 In all likelihood, yes.

00:07:58.620 All right.

00:07:59.080 Well, it's a shame anyway,

00:08:00.240 because they were getting on...

00:08:02.880 Oh, this is not working again.

00:08:04.160 How do you reset the...

00:08:05.340 I think I need to unplug it

00:08:06.940 and plug it back in.

00:08:08.080 We've got the boomer trick still work.

00:08:10.280 Yeah, okay.

00:08:10.780 It's a shame,

00:08:11.280 because they were getting on so well.

00:08:13.240 That's a pic from 2024

00:08:14.540 of Jen Rick and Gary

00:08:16.160 just like blatantly hating each other.

00:08:19.300 So Camilla Tomlin... 0.99

00:08:20.260 He's already wearing a reformed blue tie

00:08:22.180 in that picture as well.

00:08:22.880 I know.

00:08:23.280 There were signs.

00:08:24.080 There were signs.

00:08:24.760 Camilla Tomlin was annoyed

00:08:25.520 because he lied to her.

00:08:26.900 She chose strangely

00:08:28.080 to publish the text messages

00:08:29.280 or the WhatsApps.

00:08:30.300 Are you defecting or not?

00:08:31.300 No.

00:08:32.000 As I said to you,

00:08:32.600 I believe when we spoke at Christmas,

00:08:34.120 not yet or never.

00:08:34.920 Never.

00:08:35.720 Lo and behold,

00:08:36.580 that wasn't the truth.

00:08:38.960 What was it, as I say,

00:08:40.160 the resignation speech being leaked?

00:08:43.300 The Tories were passed

00:08:44.220 the draft copy

00:08:44.940 of Jen Rick's defection speech

00:08:46.140 and his entire media plan

00:08:47.580 by a mole in his team.

00:08:49.060 Conservatives' claims

00:08:49.620 the papers have been left

00:08:50.320 lying around earlier today

00:08:51.540 to protect their source,

00:08:52.360 but in fact,

00:08:52.780 they had someone in Jen Rick's team 0.91

00:08:53.760 and have done for some time.

00:08:55.420 Intrigue.

00:08:56.880 And as I say about Farage,

00:08:58.760 he genuinely seemed

00:09:00.160 to have not been planning it

00:09:01.440 and it seemed to be

00:09:03.280 something he had to just adapt to.

00:09:04.740 So this is what he said.

00:09:06.340 He wasn't going to join

00:09:07.380 at 4.30 today.

00:09:08.580 No, I'm sorry, Kemi,

00:09:09.340 you've jumped the gun.

00:09:10.600 You've added up 2 and 2

00:09:11.820 and made 5.

00:09:13.440 He wasn't going to join today.

00:09:15.580 He wasn't going to join tomorrow.

00:09:18.420 He wasn't going to join next week.

00:09:21.660 In fact,

00:09:22.740 knowing what these negotiations are like,

00:09:25.100 he might not have joined at all.

00:09:26.400 I think on balance,

00:09:30.180 it's 60-40

00:09:31.200 that he would have done.

00:09:32.840 But you never know

00:09:33.860 until the deal is signed

00:09:35.980 and the hand is shaken.

00:09:39.040 So the Conservative leadership

00:09:40.580 have jumped the gun on this.

00:09:42.580 They've hoofed him out of the party,

00:09:44.960 fearing he would appear today

00:09:46.360 at 4.30

00:09:47.100 on this platform

00:09:48.740 alongside me.

00:09:50.820 And I've had to think

00:09:51.900 very quickly

00:09:52.760 as to how I should respond

00:09:55.260 to this.

00:09:57.140 And I just want to say

00:09:58.120 thank you

00:09:58.760 to Kemi Badenock.

00:10:01.720 This is the latest

00:10:02.720 Christmas present

00:10:03.560 I've ever had.

00:10:06.100 The negotiations

00:10:07.160 were generic.

00:10:08.540 It goes on and on.

00:10:09.660 There's nothing more to be said.

00:10:10.640 Yeah, he says

00:10:11.080 it's a Christmas present

00:10:11.840 from Kemi.

00:10:12.860 It's just tactical.

00:10:13.780 She thought,

00:10:14.360 right, tactically,

00:10:14.920 I'll just sack him now.

00:10:16.360 Then he's like,

00:10:16.980 he can frame it as her panicking

00:10:18.420 and he wasn't even going to join anyway.

00:10:20.140 If he wasn't,

00:10:20.800 then it is a mistake.

00:10:21.700 But he obviously blatantly

00:10:22.600 was going to join.

00:10:23.440 He was talking to them

00:10:24.000 since September,

00:10:25.360 he admitted.

00:10:26.700 So yeah,

00:10:27.520 Kemi got ahead of it.

00:10:29.040 You can tell,

00:10:29.580 by the way,

00:10:29.880 that Farage probably

00:10:30.480 was being sincere

00:10:31.200 that he really wasn't

00:10:31.860 going to announce him

00:10:32.360 quite yet at this press conference,

00:10:34.040 partly by how badly

00:10:34.760 organised it was.

00:10:35.760 For example,

00:10:36.780 Jenrick wasn't actually

00:10:37.600 even there.

00:10:38.840 And on that note,

00:10:39.760 I will welcome

00:10:40.640 Robert Jenrick

00:10:41.860 into this room

00:10:42.680 and into Reform UK.

00:10:49.140 He's turned into a speaker.

00:10:50.880 Oh, I won't.

00:10:52.280 He hasn't changed his mind,

00:10:53.380 has he?

00:10:55.360 We can't find him.

00:10:57.600 He's in disguise.

00:10:58.460 He's actually that cameraman.

00:10:59.480 Yeah, that confused-looking cameraman.

00:11:03.940 One bit at the end.

00:11:04.880 Is he coming, Nick?

00:11:07.660 So that actually went on for ages.

00:11:09.860 I just put it down to 30 seconds.

00:11:11.380 It went on for like four minutes.

00:11:12.880 And that could have been

00:11:13.540 a great joke

00:11:14.700 if he'd done it

00:11:15.720 and been like,

00:11:16.300 ah, I gotcha.

00:11:17.120 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:11:17.880 But no, that was real.

00:11:19.540 And Kemi would be like, 0.99

00:11:20.200 he's back in the party.

00:11:21.340 It was all, you know,

00:11:22.240 it was all a late Christmas prank.

00:11:25.960 Yeah, so that was that.

00:11:27.000 So what else we got?

00:11:28.660 Oh, yeah.

00:11:29.020 So the funny thing is

00:11:30.220 that only five months ago

00:11:31.760 in August,

00:11:32.680 Farage was calling him

00:11:33.500 August 18, 2025.

00:11:35.160 Jenrick is a forward.

00:11:35.920 But I've always thought so.

00:11:36.900 And this quote proves it,

00:11:38.140 a quote about the migrant hotel.

00:11:40.040 So it's hilarious just how,

00:11:42.460 you know, this is politics,

00:11:43.180 but that was like so recent.

00:11:44.660 And in the press conference,

00:11:45.420 they said to him,

00:11:46.100 what about you saying

00:11:46.900 he was a fraud,

00:11:47.640 you know, very, very recently?

00:11:48.980 Farage was like,

00:11:49.300 oh, yeah, well, you know,

00:11:50.180 yeah, I said it.

00:11:50.860 And he kind of owned it like Trump,

00:11:51.860 but it was kind of funny.

00:11:52.920 And he goes, you know,

00:11:53.540 but, you know,

00:11:54.000 I'm forgiving him and all this.

00:11:56.240 I'm teaching him forgiveness.

00:11:57.220 He had all these things.

00:11:58.000 But then he tried to

00:11:59.380 wiggle out of it and say,

00:12:00.260 and, you know,

00:12:00.760 the fact that he resigned

00:12:02.140 over the immigrant Rwanda plan,

00:12:04.260 I thought, you know,

00:12:04.780 that was a big thing.

00:12:05.520 I was like,

00:12:05.800 that was December 2023.

00:12:07.500 You call them a fraud in August 25.

00:12:09.280 So it's just nonsense.

00:12:10.400 Absolutely.

00:12:10.780 I always find it weird.

00:12:12.040 I sort of get frustrated.

00:12:13.440 If I were Farage,

00:12:14.460 I wouldn't go around

00:12:15.260 insulting people that

00:12:16.560 were they to defect,

00:12:18.900 I would snap them up.

00:12:20.220 Yeah.

00:12:20.640 From my perspective,

00:12:22.140 that's just a tactical mistake

00:12:23.800 and lacking foresight.

00:12:25.420 You don't insult people

00:12:26.540 you want to win over.

00:12:27.740 And in fact,

00:12:28.400 it's normally a good

00:12:29.760 sort of strategy in politics

00:12:32.100 no matter what position you hold,

00:12:33.740 even if you're a commentator,

00:12:35.200 not to go around

00:12:36.020 insulting people

00:12:36.900 because eventually

00:12:38.060 circumstances will change

00:12:39.740 and people will say 1.00

00:12:40.560 you're a hypocrite. 1.00

00:12:41.520 Yeah. 1.00

00:12:41.700 Especially if you're

00:12:42.520 being disingenuous.

00:12:43.820 I regret insulting you now

00:12:45.000 when you left Lotus E.

00:12:45.920 I didn't know you were

00:12:46.500 going to come straight back.

00:12:47.860 You know what I mean?

00:12:48.100 I said, 0.99

00:12:48.360 Josh is awful. 0.55

00:12:49.220 And then you thought 0.99

00:12:49.840 he hoped he didn't.

00:12:51.240 And then you came straight back

00:12:52.400 and it was awkward.

00:12:53.240 Now you're on the podcast.

00:12:54.220 Yeah, exactly.

00:12:55.080 And it's awkward.

00:12:55.900 We've got to have a fight

00:12:56.860 after in the car.

00:12:57.360 No one told me

00:12:58.120 that they didn't want me.

00:12:59.080 So I've been turning up.

00:13:00.180 Yeah.

00:13:00.360 You're saying you wouldn't

00:13:01.040 do this, Josh, essentially.

00:13:02.620 Robert Jennerick.

00:13:03.400 Under him,

00:13:04.200 as Immigration Minister,

00:13:05.800 we got up to 56,000 people

00:13:08.780 who'd crossed the channel

00:13:09.480 by boat

00:13:10.020 living in hotels.

00:13:11.920 He put more people in hotels

00:13:13.700 than even this Labour government.

00:13:17.640 And here we are,

00:13:18.360 three years later,

00:13:19.480 and he turns up and says,

00:13:20.860 I'm on your side.

00:13:22.240 My advice to you

00:13:23.200 would be to say, 1.00

00:13:24.200 this man is a fraud. 0.98

00:13:26.740 This man is not to be trusted. 1.00

00:13:28.720 Welcome to the party.

00:13:31.640 And as I was saying,

00:13:32.720 Robert Jennerick.

00:13:33.540 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:13:34.180 Oh, is he here?

00:13:34.980 No, he's found out

00:13:35.660 what I said about him. 0.54

00:13:36.980 Yeah, absolutely insane.

00:13:38.040 But by the way,

00:13:40.180 Leila Cunningham did the same.

00:13:41.180 I don't want Jennerick in reform.

00:13:42.620 That was, what,

00:13:43.700 January the 8th last week?

00:13:45.280 So that was last week.

00:13:45.980 Very unfortunate.

00:13:47.440 But Jennerick did the same.

00:13:48.820 I mean, look what he said

00:13:49.500 about Farage.

00:13:49.980 We have first passed the post.

00:13:51.300 So what if the British public

00:13:54.100 voted Reform UK,

00:13:55.520 the biggest party,

00:13:57.000 but required a Conservative

00:13:58.960 coalition deal to govern?

00:14:01.320 Would you consider that?

00:14:02.940 And would you serve in a cabinet

00:14:04.420 with Nigel Farage as Prime Minister,

00:14:06.660 for example?

00:14:09.200 No.

00:14:09.700 Look, I want to,

00:14:11.620 with all due respect,

00:14:12.920 retire Nigel Farage,

00:14:14.220 get back those voters we've lost,

00:14:16.040 get back the Conservative Party

00:14:17.340 into power.

00:14:18.640 That's what we need as a country.

00:14:19.940 So there you go.

00:14:22.620 He also said that Farage

00:14:24.220 couldn't run a five-a-side

00:14:25.320 football team.

00:14:26.800 I don't know if you need to hear this,

00:14:27.840 but you get the idea.

00:14:30.220 Probably true as well.

00:14:31.280 Yeah, basically,

00:14:32.100 they're more just both

00:14:32.800 slagging each other off

00:14:33.800 and it's not,

00:14:34.920 it's not playing,

00:14:35.560 but he basically said

00:14:36.080 he couldn't even organise

00:14:37.100 a five-a-side football team.

00:14:37.660 So far,

00:14:38.500 nobody in this entire story

00:14:40.380 actually looks good.

00:14:42.100 Yes.

00:14:42.460 Out of any of this,

00:14:43.040 it's all just sort of,

00:14:44.420 yeah,

00:14:44.980 the curtain has sort of

00:14:46.540 been unveiled 0.82

00:14:47.100 and the clown show

00:14:48.480 is there for all to see.

00:14:49.640 There's an argument

00:14:50.180 it's bad for all three of them.

00:14:51.320 I think it's probably best

00:14:52.980 for Farage

00:14:53.500 because it's still quite damaging

00:14:55.100 for the Tories,

00:14:55.900 but it's not great for any of them

00:14:56.920 and this speech

00:14:57.540 was particularly damaging.

00:14:58.460 Well, I mean,

00:14:58.900 how does it,

00:14:59.640 I understand that Generic

00:15:00.880 has his own fan base,

00:15:02.760 but also,

00:15:03.580 I mean,

00:15:04.200 they've called him out

00:15:05.040 so many times

00:15:06.100 and now they're welcoming him in

00:15:07.980 when he has,

00:15:09.160 by Farage's own estimates,

00:15:10.780 an incredibly poor track record.

00:15:12.900 What's he bringing

00:15:13.500 to the table for him?

00:15:14.540 I mean,

00:15:14.680 I've seen lots of people

00:15:15.720 mock up fake,

00:15:16.920 like,

00:15:17.120 they've joined reform,

00:15:18.200 they've defected to reform

00:15:19.280 and it's people like

00:15:20.080 Idi Amin 0.50

00:15:20.780 and Tony Blair.

00:15:22.000 Tony Blair.

00:15:23.260 I could believe that one.

00:15:24.960 Yeah, yeah.

00:15:25.260 Kim Jong-un, mate.

00:15:26.060 Well,

00:15:26.460 I suppose he brings,

00:15:27.420 he is the most,

00:15:28.040 I mean,

00:15:28.260 he was Bookie's favourite

00:15:29.620 to be an ex-Tory leader

00:15:30.540 and he's quite good

00:15:31.720 on the social media videos.

00:15:32.660 He brings a certain,

00:15:33.800 he's not that well-known

00:15:35.000 but he's more well-known

00:15:35.780 than virtually all the Tories

00:15:36.980 and, you know,

00:15:37.880 he's somewhat on the right.

00:15:39.360 So he brings some things,

00:15:40.240 but he was extremely damning

00:15:41.500 about the Tories

00:15:42.360 in his speech.

00:15:43.320 ...to party.

00:15:46.320 Last year,

00:15:47.720 I said the rape gang disgrace

00:15:49.940 was in part because

00:15:51.700 people with medieval attitudes

00:15:54.380 towards women and girls 0.63

00:15:55.880 had been allowed

00:15:57.260 into our country.

00:15:58.880 Would you believe it?

00:16:01.060 Several Conservative MPs

00:16:03.020 complained about me

00:16:03.980 for speaking out.

00:16:06.200 They said I was wrong

00:16:07.600 and I shouldn't be saying that

00:16:09.160 about the record

00:16:09.760 of the last Conservative government.

00:16:12.280 Over Christmas,

00:16:13.940 I instinctively

00:16:16.200 saw the news

00:16:17.860 that the anti-British, 0.93

00:16:20.080 anti-Semitic terrorist 0.99

00:16:21.400 sympathiser, 0.99

00:16:22.500 El Fata,

00:16:23.240 coming here

00:16:24.360 to live in our country

00:16:25.920 and enjoy the generosity

00:16:27.600 of our people

00:16:28.360 was wrong

00:16:29.000 and I spoke out against it.

00:16:31.860 Let me tell you,

00:16:33.580 several figures

00:16:34.620 in the Conservative Party

00:16:36.020 were angry at me

00:16:37.580 they said,

00:16:39.280 and I quote,

00:16:40.400 it exposed the party

00:16:41.840 to criticism

00:16:42.660 for having granted

00:16:44.240 him citizenship

00:16:45.660 in 2021.

00:16:48.040 So,

00:16:49.300 yeah,

00:16:49.560 you can imagine

00:16:49.980 the Tories definitely doing that.

00:16:51.140 So he's saying

00:16:51.600 the Tories were just

00:16:52.260 completely wet

00:16:52.860 on all these things,

00:16:54.160 grooming gangs.

00:16:55.140 Is he pretending 1.00

00:16:55.660 to be stupid 1.00

00:16:56.420 or is he actually stupid 1.00

00:16:57.580 because did he not realise 1.00

00:16:58.740 which party he was in?

00:17:00.720 Well, there is that.

00:17:01.440 It's not especially surprising,

00:17:03.040 is it?

00:17:03.600 And he also brought in

00:17:04.480 some of the Afghan migrants.

00:17:06.260 This was the explicit

00:17:07.640 stated ideology

00:17:09.320 of the Tory party

00:17:10.720 by this point.

00:17:12.640 They're more than eager

00:17:13.520 to let anybody in.

00:17:15.060 Like,

00:17:15.360 Boris Johnson's Brexit line

00:17:16.860 was to allow

00:17:17.580 more non-EU people in.

00:17:20.280 Yeah,

00:17:20.560 well,

00:17:20.780 Jemmick's narrative,

00:17:21.540 if you take him

00:17:22.020 at face value,

00:17:22.640 is he was basically

00:17:23.920 red-pilled over Rwanda.

00:17:25.380 He said,

00:17:25.720 this scheme's never going

00:17:26.320 to work,

00:17:26.580 it's terrible.

00:17:27.380 He resigned,

00:17:28.120 which he did do,

00:17:28.920 from Rishi's cabinet

00:17:29.960 and said,

00:17:30.360 right,

00:17:30.540 I can't be any part of this.

00:17:31.880 Although he didn't leave

00:17:32.420 the party then,

00:17:33.300 he just sort of resigned

00:17:34.080 and sort of tried to,

00:17:35.140 I suppose you could say,

00:17:35.940 change it from within

00:17:36.800 or something

00:17:37.540 and that would be

00:17:38.280 his narrative.

00:17:39.620 The Tories do sound

00:17:40.420 absolutely as bad

00:17:41.700 as you think though,

00:17:42.540 from what he says here.

00:17:43.540 At a recent shadow cabinet

00:17:46.740 debate,

00:17:48.280 a conversation

00:17:49.280 broke out.

00:17:51.740 The question was put

00:17:52.840 to the group,

00:17:54.500 is Britain broken?

00:17:57.140 I said instinctively,

00:17:59.200 it's broken.

00:18:01.000 Almost everyone said,

00:18:03.200 it's not broken.

00:18:05.360 And we were told,

00:18:06.820 that is the party line.

00:18:09.640 A few,

00:18:10.840 a few had a third position.

00:18:14.120 It is broken.

00:18:15.840 But we can't say so.

00:18:17.840 Because the Conservative Party

00:18:19.320 broke it.

00:18:21.220 If they won't admit publicly

00:18:23.200 to you,

00:18:24.220 the British people,

00:18:25.920 what they broke,

00:18:27.680 what possible faith

00:18:29.140 can you have in them

00:18:30.580 to fix it?

00:18:32.660 The Conservative Party

00:18:34.140 in Westminster

00:18:34.960 isn't sorry.

00:18:36.340 This never gets easier to use.

00:18:37.360 It doesn't get it.

00:18:38.020 You're like me.

00:18:38.720 It hasn't changed.

00:18:40.540 It won't change.

00:18:42.040 See,

00:18:42.380 it's not as easy as it looks.

00:18:44.300 Pretty bad.

00:18:45.040 Nothing unexpected,

00:18:46.160 but pretty damning

00:18:47.120 for Jenrick to be saying

00:18:47.920 that about the Tories.

00:18:48.600 They had to pretend

00:18:49.320 the country wasn't broken

00:18:51.240 because they broke it.

00:18:52.700 That's pretty extraordinary.

00:18:54.300 The question is,

00:18:54.960 as we've said,

00:18:56.060 who comes out worse in this?

00:18:57.660 As soon as this happened,

00:18:58.300 I was like,

00:18:58.600 we're going to see

00:18:59.040 the fake right spectator

00:19:00.480 cope coming out.

00:19:01.900 And of course,

00:19:02.380 that's what they did.

00:19:03.260 Sacking Jenrick 1.00

00:19:03.880 because maybe not stronger.

00:19:05.460 She's so strong

00:19:06.120 by losing one of her best people.

00:19:07.580 I mean,

00:19:08.320 this cope is going

00:19:09.100 all the way across.

00:19:09.660 Now,

00:19:09.940 there's something in it

00:19:10.700 that she shows strong leadership.

00:19:12.700 She's like the sensible one.

00:19:14.080 I want to do sensible politics.

00:19:15.380 There's something in that

00:19:16.060 but clearly doesn't make her

00:19:17.220 stronger overall

00:19:17.900 to lose Jenrick.

00:19:18.900 I think it's hard to claim it.

00:19:19.700 They were all saying it

00:19:20.580 across the board.

00:19:21.280 Well,

00:19:21.580 the spectators associated

00:19:22.780 with Michael Gove.

00:19:23.540 Michael Gove,

00:19:24.160 editor.

00:19:24.940 He's Kemi's number one fan.

00:19:26.620 Exactly.

00:19:27.320 Yeah.

00:19:27.600 Exactly.

00:19:28.120 It was obvious.

00:19:29.760 When Andrew Marr's saying

00:19:30.940 you did well,

00:19:32.140 you know you're in trouble.

00:19:33.560 Stroppy.

00:19:35.060 Rude. 0.85

00:19:36.500 Entitled.

00:19:37.540 I've never liked

00:19:38.380 what I've seen

00:19:38.920 and heard of Kemi Badenok.

00:19:40.820 And so tonight,

00:19:41.640 I say this

00:19:42.420 through gritted teeth

00:19:43.420 and with some reluctance.

00:19:45.620 The Tory leader

00:19:46.440 has done really well today

00:19:48.600 and she is on course

00:19:49.940 to save the Conservative Party.

00:19:51.600 It wasn't just the way

00:19:53.480 she kneecapped

00:19:54.220 her old rival Robert Jenrick

00:19:55.980 for the crime

00:19:56.840 of planning to defect to reform,

00:19:59.240 a crime he later performed

00:20:00.600 in public

00:20:01.340 at an hilariously

00:20:02.840 pantomime moment

00:20:04.200 press conference.

00:20:06.200 In truth,

00:20:06.980 by stripping him

00:20:07.840 of his party membership,

00:20:09.420 she'd left him

00:20:09.980 no other choice.

00:20:11.680 But is this

00:20:12.500 the splintering away

00:20:13.780 of one hugely ambitious individual

00:20:16.460 or is it the beginning

00:20:18.420 of a more general crumbling

00:20:20.000 of right-wing Tories

00:20:21.340 towards Nigel Farage?

00:20:24.460 So Marr's saying that

00:20:25.660 so you can almost certainly

00:20:26.400 bet the opposite,

00:20:27.220 especially when Ian Dale

00:20:28.340 is saying the same.

00:20:29.540 Self-serving, 0.98

00:20:30.220 hubristic bollocks 0.95

00:20:31.120 from a man who wouldn't

00:20:31.940 know a principle

00:20:32.360 if he stumbled across it.

00:20:33.700 A total lack of self-knowledge.

00:20:34.780 He slags off the party

00:20:35.540 he wanted to lead.

00:20:38.020 This is one defection

00:20:38.840 I suspect Reform UK

00:20:39.940 will come to regret

00:20:40.840 with every word

00:20:41.380 he's proving Kemi right.

00:20:43.340 So Ian Dale's

00:20:44.180 on Team Kemi.

00:20:45.620 Dan Hodges,

00:20:46.220 Kemi Badenok

00:20:46.720 has properly done

00:20:47.500 Robert Jenrick

00:20:48.120 like a kipper.

00:20:48.920 Another guy

00:20:49.300 that's always wrong.

00:20:50.000 Alastair Campbell,

00:20:51.300 Smart,

00:20:51.600 maybe Kemi Badenok. 0.98

00:20:52.900 So all the people

00:20:53.640 who are always wrong

00:20:54.460 are backing Kemi

00:20:55.440 and who are always

00:20:56.020 like establishment

00:20:56.740 and regime.

00:20:58.060 Doesn't necessarily mean

00:20:58.980 they're wrong

00:20:59.740 but it's kind of a good

00:21:00.820 heuristic I always find.

00:21:03.100 And that is a question

00:21:03.740 though,

00:21:03.960 who comes out worse?

00:21:05.300 I mean the Tory

00:21:05.880 is going to be damaged

00:21:06.420 by it.

00:21:07.660 They're going to have to be

00:21:08.280 this sort of

00:21:08.600 Lib Dem party now

00:21:09.580 but then you've

00:21:11.700 thought about

00:21:11.920 the actual Lib Dems.

00:21:13.140 Who is an actual

00:21:14.020 Tory voter now?

00:21:14.880 It's quite tricky

00:21:15.700 to figure out.

00:21:16.620 No one admits it publicly

00:21:17.760 anymore do they?

00:21:18.840 No.

00:21:19.360 And there's been

00:21:19.760 that many defections

00:21:20.600 from the Tories

00:21:21.300 over to reform

00:21:22.400 that the average

00:21:23.060 Tory voter

00:21:23.660 is going to think

00:21:24.200 to himself

00:21:24.520 well if I want

00:21:25.200 classic Tory policies

00:21:27.060 all of the people

00:21:27.860 who came up with them

00:21:29.140 are now in reform.

00:21:30.320 Yeah.

00:21:30.660 So I'll just vote reform.

00:21:31.640 They have literally

00:21:33.020 become the replacement

00:21:33.960 Tory party.

00:21:35.060 Exactly.

00:21:35.740 And so

00:21:36.040 it does split

00:21:37.360 the danger of it

00:21:38.340 to me

00:21:38.580 it splits the right

00:21:39.340 even more.

00:21:40.220 I think at this point

00:21:40.720 reform just have to

00:21:41.400 completely destroy the Tories

00:21:42.540 and try and just get

00:21:43.160 more and more of them

00:21:43.860 because it does split

00:21:44.980 that vote even more.

00:21:46.180 Not that I say the right

00:21:46.940 I mean the fake right

00:21:48.140 but you know

00:21:49.040 there's a danger of

00:21:49.900 Labour doing some sort

00:21:50.860 of agreement with the Lib Dems

00:21:52.160 and that being

00:21:52.680 and these two being split

00:21:54.360 that does seem

00:21:55.040 it seems less likely

00:21:56.100 they'd do a deal

00:21:56.680 at this point

00:21:57.220 since it's got so nasty

00:21:58.540 but who knows.

00:21:59.080 It's sort of a good thing

00:21:59.980 that you know

00:22:01.420 looking for a silver lining

00:22:02.500 here obviously

00:22:03.080 I'd prefer reform

00:22:04.160 to be very much

00:22:05.280 you know

00:22:05.720 on side

00:22:07.240 however

00:22:07.740 if they do gobble up

00:22:08.820 the Tories entirely

00:22:09.820 at least it gets rid of them

00:22:11.440 off of the picture

00:22:12.400 finally

00:22:12.960 and they finally

00:22:13.960 get what they deserve

00:22:15.680 I suppose that's

00:22:16.480 I mean if it's all

00:22:17.660 the same people

00:22:18.400 under a different name

00:22:19.440 though

00:22:19.700 what difference does it make?

00:22:20.660 It is extraordinary

00:22:21.240 I've said that ages

00:22:22.020 They'll probably all still

00:22:23.400 be backed by the same money

00:22:24.820 as well

00:22:25.220 My point being

00:22:26.680 that if reform

00:22:28.380 takes out the Tories

00:22:29.340 rather than

00:22:29.920 a genuine right wing party

00:22:31.540 having to face

00:22:32.220 two other parties

00:22:33.580 it's just going to have

00:22:35.100 to face one

00:22:35.760 with all the same people

00:22:36.920 which would be very easy

00:22:38.000 rhetorically to be like

00:22:39.020 well you're just

00:22:39.980 the conservative parties

00:22:41.100 in a teal tie

00:22:41.960 It's weird isn't it

00:22:43.700 especially when they

00:22:44.280 the fact they brought in

00:22:45.340 Nadim Zahawi

00:22:45.980 who was just a terrible

00:22:46.860 appointment

00:22:47.180 then they bring a slightly

00:22:48.260 better appointment

00:22:48.780 of Jenrick

00:22:49.180 it's very random isn't it

00:22:50.420 it really is just

00:22:51.260 it is what Trump did

00:22:52.040 with the Republican Party

00:22:53.000 but just Nigel's outside of it 0.99

00:22:54.580 just sucking them all to him 0.99

00:22:55.580 like sort of 0.99

00:22:56.140 iron filings to a magnet

00:22:57.540 and just making a new

00:22:59.100 Tory party

00:22:59.460 yeah separately

00:23:00.060 it is very

00:23:00.600 it feels like

00:23:02.160 wish fulfilment

00:23:02.980 from Farage

00:23:03.820 he'd been kind of

00:23:04.660 backed out

00:23:05.120 he'd been backed out

00:23:06.740 of the Tory establishment

00:23:07.760 for so long

00:23:09.240 so long ago

00:23:10.100 that he decided

00:23:11.020 fine I'll just make

00:23:11.980 my own Tory party

00:23:13.200 except I'll be the leader

00:23:14.400 of it

00:23:14.820 and that's literally

00:23:15.680 what's happening

00:23:16.100 that's what's happening

00:23:16.680 yeah

00:23:16.880 here's the random 0.99

00:23:17.720 men are trash posts 1.00

00:23:18.700 how disappointing to discover 1.00

00:23:19.980 that Robert Jenrick

00:23:20.620 was plotting all along

00:23:21.460 to undermine Kemi

00:23:22.160 some men clearly can't cope

00:23:24.060 with having a strong

00:23:24.880 woman leader 0.99

00:23:25.340 who refuses to pander

00:23:26.500 to their ego

00:23:27.120 that's Sarah Vine

00:23:27.940 just thought it was

00:23:29.220 just lols really

00:23:29.960 basically we've agreed 0.99

00:23:31.520 they all largely suck 0.99

00:23:32.600 there remains one man 0.99

00:23:34.040 who can solve all this

00:23:35.100 come off the hour

00:23:37.020 Rupert Lowe is the only one

00:23:38.300 talking seriously

00:23:39.560 about how to actually

00:23:40.620 change politics

00:23:41.380 he had a plan here

00:23:42.940 he says one message

00:23:43.660 has been reinforced today

00:23:44.600 in the most spectacular fashion

00:23:45.980 Westminster is a vile 0.89

00:23:47.400 snake pit 1.00

00:23:48.060 infested with those 1.00

00:23:48.840 who put their own

00:23:49.320 personal interests

00:23:49.900 above that of the country

00:23:51.140 and it's quite long

00:23:52.140 so I'll just go at the end

00:23:52.960 this is the key part

00:23:54.520 where he says

00:23:55.260 he's going to decide

00:23:56.200 what to do next

00:23:57.480 we need an entirely

00:23:58.400 different way of doing

00:23:59.200 things

00:23:59.480 hundreds of men

00:24:00.160 and women from

00:24:00.700 outside politics

00:24:01.440 put forward for election

00:24:02.740 all of whom must have

00:24:03.700 had nothing to do

00:24:04.600 with how our country

00:24:05.520 has been so apparently

00:24:06.400 failed

00:24:06.960 I'm going to think

00:24:07.960 long and hard

00:24:08.620 over the weekend

00:24:09.120 about my next step

00:24:10.100 Britain doesn't need 0.73

00:24:11.100 mere reform

00:24:11.900 from the same

00:24:12.580 arsonists who 0.93

00:24:13.520 burnt it to the ground

00:24:14.380 a real alternative

00:24:15.180 must be provided

00:24:16.080 I will do that

00:24:16.760 and he's completely right

00:24:18.200 if he got together

00:24:19.060 with someone like

00:24:19.480 Dominic Cummings

00:24:20.120 who's talking about

00:24:21.160 let's bring in people

00:24:21.760 from outside politics

00:24:22.640 business leaders

00:24:23.480 military veterans

00:24:24.660 and so on

00:24:25.080 this is what you've got to do

00:24:26.300 as Farage

00:24:27.360 as discussed

00:24:27.960 he's just changing

00:24:28.880 the colour of the

00:24:30.100 Tory party

00:24:30.540 completely pointless

00:24:31.260 doesn't seem to really

00:24:32.380 be wanting to build a team

00:24:33.500 Rupert's talking about

00:24:34.880 actual change

00:24:35.700 so let's hope it can be done

00:24:37.040 and by the way

00:24:38.880 we have an exclusive interview

00:24:41.580 with Rupert

00:24:42.220 in Islander 5

00:24:43.840 see how I'm just like

00:24:44.740 lawless segue

00:24:45.400 yeah it's pretty

00:24:46.420 I've been on TV a lot

00:24:47.860 exclusive interview

00:24:50.000 with the man himself

00:24:51.400 so check out Islander 5

00:24:52.600 available

00:24:53.380 while stocks last

00:24:55.100 they are going pretty quick

00:24:56.800 so snap them up

00:24:57.820 while you still can

00:24:58.660 yes and then

00:24:59.600 sell them on eBay

00:25:00.680 in six years

00:25:01.280 no

00:25:01.460 don't do that

00:25:03.020 treasure it forever

00:25:04.000 treasure it forever

00:25:04.700 lotus.com

00:25:06.400 bury it somewhere

00:25:06.720 if you're not going to read it

00:25:08.020 bury it that only you know

00:25:09.400 where it is

00:25:10.180 yeah and it's a really nice one

00:25:11.100 as well

00:25:11.300 the cover's really nice

00:25:12.300 and it's got an exclusive

00:25:13.500 Rupert Lowe interview

00:25:14.200 so yeah there you go

00:25:15.220 that's my bit

00:25:16.200 chaps

00:25:16.840 there you go

00:25:17.960 now he's just gonna

00:25:18.960 I'm out

00:25:19.520 now he's gonna text MILF

00:25:21.280 for the rest of the stream

00:25:22.480 I was checking the time

00:25:23.440 you see

00:25:23.860 you think I'm being

00:25:24.540 you think I'm being slack

00:25:25.720 it's actually

00:25:26.120 I'm so conscientious

00:25:27.160 I did 23 minutes 46

00:25:28.840 we have a clock there

00:25:30.480 clock schmock

00:25:32.140 where is it

00:25:32.680 that's not timing my segment

00:25:35.640 is it

00:25:36.140 okay

00:25:36.660 it's with an exact stopwatch

00:25:38.440 all right

00:25:38.480 you know I

00:25:38.980 I respect

00:25:40.040 the hustle

00:25:41.200 I respect the hustle

00:25:42.640 thank you

00:25:43.200 we do have some

00:25:44.100 rumble rants

00:25:44.780 do you want to read

00:25:45.400 through them or shall I

00:25:46.240 I can do

00:25:46.580 I covered it up

00:25:47.160 because they were

00:25:47.560 saying annoying things

00:25:48.260 during my thing

00:25:48.880 they were saying

00:25:49.580 we don't care about

00:25:50.280 we actually love you

00:25:51.780 rumble ranters 0.97

00:25:52.680 so don't listen to 0.89

00:25:53.680 this misanthrope

00:25:54.680 yeah exactly 0.61

00:25:55.220 don't listen to me

00:25:55.920 someone said

00:25:56.740 no one cares about

00:25:57.440 Jenrick

00:25:57.800 and I was like

00:25:58.240 that's my whole segment

00:25:59.420 tell us about

00:26:00.400 Carl's ex post

00:26:01.480 I didn't know what it meant

00:26:02.160 either

00:26:02.360 I don't know

00:26:03.160 oh oh it's the

00:26:04.120 it's the very vague

00:26:05.420 one that Carl put out

00:26:07.000 about potential

00:26:07.940 big things happening

00:26:09.460 in the future

00:26:10.020 you won't find out

00:26:10.960 until we want you to find out

00:26:12.420 not vague posting

00:26:13.480 vague posting

00:26:14.500 big news coming

00:26:14.900 6pm

00:26:15.200 40 million views

00:26:17.520 300,000 likes

00:26:20.140 and every reply is what

00:26:21.640 yeah what

00:26:22.300 what this

00:26:22.840 yeah

00:26:23.180 okay well

00:26:26.260 so it's

00:26:27.240 exile29

00:26:28.040 no one cares about

00:26:28.660 Jenrick

00:26:28.820 tell us about

00:26:29.240 Carl's ex post

00:26:29.780 Hayden W

00:26:30.740 hello from Cornwall

00:26:31.640 a Cornish pasty

00:26:32.400 and Lotus podcast

00:26:32.980 is a great combo

00:26:33.740 for Friday

00:26:34.280 hello sir

00:26:35.460 back to that

00:26:35.820 Luke

00:26:36.420 ST91

00:26:37.540 g'day 0.62

00:26:38.140 all hope

00:26:39.100 you're doing okay

00:26:39.680 don't worry Nick

00:26:40.320 Josh came back

00:26:41.020 but he came

00:26:41.660 crawling back

00:26:42.640 I'm sorry Josh

00:26:43.280 they made me read these

00:26:44.000 the more I see this

00:26:45.180 happening the more

00:26:45.740 I convince that

00:26:46.300 he's going to use

00:26:47.140 defections for a

00:26:48.580 Tory coalition

00:26:49.260 yeah I'm going to be

00:26:50.140 joining reform

00:26:50.920 soon

00:26:51.700 no I think

00:26:52.500 I think he meant

00:26:53.420 the Jenrick 0.92

00:26:54.100 oh right

00:26:54.580 defection

00:26:55.040 not you

00:26:55.740 you're pulling the

00:26:57.060 strings the whole

00:26:57.860 time

00:26:58.080 that's why he

00:26:58.620 needed all of the

00:26:59.260 extra free time

00:27:00.280 I think he meant

00:27:01.480 Josh

00:27:01.780 Sigilstone says

00:27:05.100 they're citing

00:27:05.640 their expertise on

00:27:06.960 committing political

00:27:07.560 suicide

00:27:08.000 saying well it's a

00:27:09.080 form of suicide

00:27:09.640 at least

00:27:09.980 Dr Jack Kevorkian

00:27:11.780 has chosen to

00:27:12.460 join reform

00:27:13.120 I don't get that

00:27:14.780 reference

00:27:15.060 no it's too

00:27:15.620 advanced for me

00:27:16.500 Google Jack

00:27:18.120 Kevorkian

00:27:18.840 please

00:27:19.340 I am doing that

00:27:21.160 right now

00:27:21.740 is he one of the

00:27:24.080 guys behind

00:27:24.740 Josh hasn't heard

00:27:25.320 of him either

00:27:25.860 but he is

00:27:26.420 welcoming reform

00:27:27.220 that's the main

00:27:28.000 thing

00:27:28.160 oh he's a

00:27:29.060 pathologist and

00:27:31.440 euthanasia proponent

00:27:32.840 yeah is he Canadian

00:27:34.420 um he was born in

00:27:37.560 America

00:27:38.020 maybe has something

00:27:40.180 to do with it

00:27:40.760 either way I know

00:27:42.620 we just ended on

00:27:43.500 an islander shill

00:27:44.340 but this is my

00:27:45.000 segment so I might

00:27:45.760 as well start with

00:27:46.680 it and get it out

00:27:47.780 of the way

00:27:48.340 islander number

00:27:49.740 five soon to be

00:27:51.220 a very very hot

00:27:52.340 commodity when they

00:27:53.400 sell out and they

00:27:54.300 are selling out

00:27:55.140 very fast get them

00:27:56.900 while they are

00:27:57.320 still available so

00:27:58.380 you can have a

00:27:59.340 beautiful copy of

00:28:01.160 this in your hands

00:28:02.360 in your home you

00:28:03.460 can cradle it

00:28:04.240 instead of

00:28:04.760 cradling your

00:28:05.620 children you can

00:28:06.760 covet it as you

00:28:07.620 may your

00:28:07.980 neighbour's wife 0.88

00:28:08.760 and it has a

00:28:10.220 number of excellent

00:28:11.220 articles in here

00:28:12.140 an incredible

00:28:13.160 interview with

00:28:14.220 Rupert Lowe

00:28:15.160 conducted by our

00:28:16.900 editor Rory

00:28:17.980 is well worth it

00:28:19.120 for only

00:28:19.540 £14.99

00:28:21.200 while stocks

00:28:22.040 last and if you

00:28:22.680 try and pick one

00:28:23.320 up after they're

00:28:24.140 gone you are

00:28:25.120 going to be paying

00:28:25.680 a lot more than

00:28:26.340 £14.99 so get

00:28:27.460 them whilst you

00:28:28.560 still can

00:28:29.320 with that let's

00:28:30.600 talk about the

00:28:31.680 news and that is

00:28:32.480 the attack that

00:28:34.740 has been this is a

00:28:35.660 repeated assault

00:28:36.620 really it's getting

00:28:37.540 abusive at this

00:28:38.380 point where

00:28:39.540 Starmer is kind of

00:28:40.580 doing this doing

00:28:42.160 this will he won't

00:28:43.140 he with the pubs

00:28:44.640 in England which

00:28:45.980 is is he going to

00:28:47.340 destroy British 1.00

00:28:48.220 pubs or not

00:28:49.640 the jury is still

00:28:51.260 out he still tries

00:28:52.180 to make it sound

00:28:53.000 as though he loves

00:28:53.980 British pubs he

00:28:54.900 has his own

00:28:55.660 personal favourite

00:28:56.640 his local he

00:28:57.760 takes all of these

00:28:58.620 photographs in pubs

00:29:00.400 and they always say

00:29:01.300 that they're going

00:29:01.840 to protect pubs but

00:29:03.280 the thing is if they

00:29:04.060 were actually going

00:29:04.720 to protect pubs

00:29:05.740 they wouldn't have

00:29:06.460 to keep coming out

00:29:07.300 publicly time and

00:29:08.900 time and time again

00:29:09.900 reminding everybody

00:29:11.400 after their latest

00:29:12.500 policy announcements

00:29:14.120 have gone down

00:29:14.940 terribly like do

00:29:15.640 you remember when

00:29:16.300 they were planning on

00:29:17.120 banning smoking in

00:29:18.600 beer gardens which

00:29:20.180 was obviously just

00:29:21.040 an attack on

00:29:21.800 people's ability to

00:29:22.900 enjoy themselves at

00:29:23.860 the pub making it a

00:29:24.720 less attractive place

00:29:25.540 to go to everybody

00:29:26.960 knows that they're

00:29:28.700 trying to use pubs

00:29:29.960 as a tax raid I

00:29:31.600 still remember the

00:29:32.060 blokes shouting at

00:29:33.000 him and kicking him

00:29:33.580 out of the pub that

00:29:34.320 was hilarious I think

00:29:34.960 that makes sense the

00:29:35.940 origin story the

00:29:37.060 villain arc yeah

00:29:38.180 where it all began

00:29:39.220 yeah it's a good

00:29:39.940 picture that's an

00:29:41.020 exemplary nobody

00:29:42.100 knew who Starmer

00:29:43.060 was before he got

00:29:45.140 kicked out of that

00:29:45.900 pub yeah I

00:29:47.100 and one of the

00:29:47.940 most recent policy

00:29:49.740 announcements that

00:29:50.580 they've made which a

00:29:51.280 lot of people are

00:29:52.000 taking as an attack on

00:29:53.620 rural pubs in

00:29:54.920 particular remember of

00:29:56.680 course that with a lot

00:29:57.580 of the net zero stuff

00:29:59.080 that goes around within

00:30:00.180 Labour and Ed Miliband

00:30:01.320 as well it's the same

00:30:02.880 kind of neoliberal

00:30:03.840 policies that the Tories

00:30:05.160 were pushing as well

00:30:05.980 which is that anywhere in

00:30:07.540 rural England that isn't

00:30:08.820 being used for HMOs

00:30:10.700 housing for immigrants

00:30:12.180 or enormous wind farms

00:30:15.040 and solar energy farms

00:30:16.500 is basically just wasted

00:30:18.440 land and we need to get

00:30:19.440 rid of it so that we

00:30:20.280 can buy it all up for

00:30:21.620 that and on that on that

00:30:23.980 land is a lot of rural

00:30:25.320 pubs and there's this

00:30:26.800 new law that policy that

00:30:28.700 they're looking to

00:30:29.260 implement that would

00:30:30.620 decrease the tolerance

00:30:33.120 sorry yeah decrease the

00:30:34.760 tolerance for how much

00:30:36.540 you're allowed to have

00:30:37.400 drank and still drive

00:30:39.540 which some people are

00:30:41.240 taking as an attack on

00:30:43.240 rural pubs because of

00:30:44.440 course they are quite

00:30:45.600 remote a lot of people

00:30:47.220 even within the local

00:30:48.240 area aren't going to be

00:30:49.240 able to walk down

00:30:50.120 country lanes to get to

00:30:51.400 them so they're going to

00:30:52.240 have to drive to it and

00:30:53.620 the new laws are looking

00:30:55.060 to cut the drink

00:30:58.100 driving limit so that

00:30:59.260 even a single pint a

00:31:01.220 single pint could see

00:31:02.500 drivers breaking the law

00:31:04.260 this is a new zero

00:31:05.200 tolerance approach that

00:31:06.400 they might take

00:31:06.980 it's not going to change

00:31:07.800 anything though like

00:31:09.380 is there any evidence

00:31:11.220 to back this up but

00:31:12.180 also there's the fact

00:31:13.140 that in the countryside

00:31:13.940 you know down my neck

00:31:15.460 of the woods and the

00:31:16.100 like people drink a lot

00:31:18.340 more than one pint and

00:31:19.440 get in their car which

00:31:20.740 is already illegal so I

00:31:22.760 don't think I think I

00:31:24.740 think I think it's

00:31:25.580 trying to put fear in

00:31:26.600 people it's anti just

00:31:28.580 classic labor anti-fun

00:31:29.660 anti-freedom but can I

00:31:30.640 just say how naive it is

00:31:31.500 as well it's a city

00:31:32.240 dwellers idea of the

00:31:33.640 country because I'm from

00:31:34.560 the lakes you went to

00:31:35.940 there was no went to

00:31:36.820 the pub it was a two

00:31:37.620 mile walk in the dark

00:31:38.720 home and there was no

00:31:40.400 taxis there was no

00:31:41.700 nothing like that no

00:31:42.660 buses you just had to

00:31:43.840 walk my torture break

00:31:44.960 and I was literally

00:31:45.460 just walking down the

00:31:46.420 middle of two miles the

00:31:47.660 sheep turns out to be

00:31:48.640 right next to you in the

00:31:49.400 pitch black that's what

00:31:50.340 it's like you can't just

00:31:51.340 you have to not that I

00:31:52.780 drove then but the idea

00:31:54.300 that you could never

00:31:54.920 admit to lawful wrong

00:31:55.940 doing I didn't drive but

00:31:56.840 the idea that you can

00:31:57.640 just easily you know as

00:31:59.980 long as you don't use a

00:32:00.780 car is what I'm looking

00:32:01.440 at it's like well how are

00:32:02.140 you gonna get there and

00:32:02.880 back a lot it's not

00:32:03.840 gonna happen it sort of

00:32:05.560 erodes the idea of having

00:32:06.860 a designated driver who

00:32:08.100 can at least have one

00:32:09.160 drink and partake to

00:32:10.820 some degree if you just

00:32:11.880 can't drink and then

00:32:13.280 you've got to ferry a

00:32:14.040 bunch of drunk people

00:32:14.840 that's not very appealing

00:32:15.820 like no one really wants

00:32:18.080 to do that

00:32:18.620 no so a lot of people

00:32:20.500 are worried that if this

00:32:22.000 is implemented then

00:32:23.120 people will err not go

00:32:25.680 to their local rural

00:32:26.680 pubs as often which

00:32:27.840 could obviously massively

00:32:29.300 damage the ability of

00:32:31.020 those pubs to stay open

00:32:32.800 err because as ever this

00:32:35.000 seems to be motivated by

00:32:36.280 city dwellers hatred for

00:32:37.520 rural countryside life

00:32:38.800 more than anything and

00:32:40.240 a complete misunderstanding

00:32:41.180 of the culture that goes

00:32:42.400 on in the countryside

00:32:43.700 especially given that

00:32:44.660 within this article

00:32:45.680 itself they cite that

00:32:47.220 since 2023 drunk driving

00:32:50.060 I think possibly longer

00:32:51.340 than that drunk driving

00:32:52.540 related accidents have

00:32:54.060 been on the on the

00:32:55.540 decrease and that's

00:32:56.820 without having

00:32:57.700 implemented zero

00:32:58.560 tolerance policies like

00:32:59.820 this I mean saving the

00:33:01.260 pubs could be done quite

00:33:03.080 easily all you need to

00:33:04.100 do is reduce the amount

00:33:06.780 of tax on the alcohol

00:33:08.240 served so it can

00:33:09.120 actually be cheaper to

00:33:10.040 get a pint in a pub

00:33:11.900 rather than buying it

00:33:12.940 from say a supermarket

00:33:13.980 which most people have

00:33:15.540 been doing these days

00:33:16.600 you can obviously reduce

00:33:18.700 the cost of energy which

00:33:19.800 has been absolutely

00:33:21.880 squashing the profit

00:33:23.620 margins of most pubs

00:33:25.140 because energy is so

00:33:26.000 expensive and obviously

00:33:26.980 they use quite a lot of

00:33:28.040 energy as well as the

00:33:29.340 fact that if you really

00:33:30.320 want to incentivize people

00:33:31.380 reopening the country pubs

00:33:32.840 that have already closed

00:33:33.660 because so many of them

00:33:34.720 have closed why don't you

00:33:36.400 have it so that there

00:33:37.440 are incentives in place

00:33:38.700 that if you're you know

00:33:39.780 rejuvenating a new pub

00:33:41.120 maybe there are grants

00:33:42.320 available maybe you have

00:33:43.840 to pay less tax or

00:33:45.100 something to try and

00:33:46.480 motivate people to open

00:33:47.660 these because they are

00:33:48.500 an important part of a

00:33:49.780 local community other

00:33:51.300 than a nice place to go

00:33:52.760 and I know that a lot of

00:33:55.020 more rural areas they're

00:33:56.200 the sort of main place

00:33:57.780 where people socialize

00:33:58.880 other than say like a

00:33:59.920 town hall or something

00:34:01.000 like yes it's for social

00:34:02.440 cohesion because it's a 0.86

00:34:03.600 nice comfortable neutral

00:34:05.800 zone for everybody to go

00:34:07.360 to where they can all

00:34:08.160 socialize you don't always

00:34:09.900 want people around your

00:34:10.720 house no it's kind of

00:34:12.120 annoying you've got to

00:34:12.860 tidy up first and yeah

00:34:14.240 you need to get all the

00:34:15.160 chairs out and you don't 0.99

00:34:16.260 always want to go around

00:34:17.240 somebody's house because

00:34:18.080 more than anything they're

00:34:19.080 not houses aren't set up

00:34:20.860 to host a load of people

00:34:22.180 all the time unless you're

00:34:23.580 very rich unless you're

00:34:25.180 very rich it's going to be

00:34:26.480 cramped it's going to be

00:34:27.440 claustrophobic you're gonna

00:34:28.860 have to worry about spilling

00:34:30.200 things on people's

00:34:31.220 furniture and obviously

00:34:32.380 you should still treat

00:34:33.380 people's pubs with respect

00:34:34.640 but they're built for

00:34:36.500 people to stand around and

00:34:37.880 sit around and have

00:34:38.720 conversations and drink in

00:34:39.920 them so it just makes more

00:34:41.180 sense yeah it's it's a

00:34:42.420 foundational part of

00:34:43.700 english culture really and

00:34:45.940 british culture in general

00:34:47.040 to be able to on a friday

00:34:49.180 night on the weekend even on

00:34:50.840 a weekday night sometimes to

00:34:52.380 go to the pub see your

00:34:53.540 friends and have and cool off

00:34:55.640 it's just it's a symbolic

00:34:57.180 battle between the spiritual

00:34:58.640 tradition of england versus

00:35:00.500 the managerial labor

00:35:02.140 government because i just

00:35:03.140 read c.s lewis's ransom

00:35:04.520 trilogy that hideous

00:35:05.840 strength is a third book

00:35:06.680 he satirizes this

00:35:07.940 brilliantly there's this

00:35:09.020 sort of bureaucracy that

00:35:09.840 evil and literally satanic

00:35:11.220 one of them goes to the pub

00:35:12.620 with another guy and he he

00:35:13.740 says well isn't this like

00:35:15.260 too dark where's the

00:35:16.540 where's the height where's

00:35:17.360 the sanitation he just

00:35:18.620 sees it as a dark place

00:35:20.320 with like that lacks

00:35:21.580 adequate nutrition in its

00:35:23.440 offerings things like this

00:35:24.200 this is kind of how that's

00:35:25.940 obviously satire but that's

00:35:27.080 how they see it these

00:35:27.840 people they they don't

00:35:28.840 like these kind of people

00:35:30.100 don't like the pub they

00:35:31.540 don't like the country

00:35:32.200 either that's sort of city

00:35:33.660 folk aren't they that's how

00:35:34.700 i see them the managerial

00:35:36.080 city folk that it's gone

00:35:37.980 mate well i mean i mean

00:35:40.840 keir starmer's own favorite

00:35:42.120 pub is in kentish town in

00:35:43.680 north london so it's like as

00:35:45.100 far away from a countryside

00:35:46.720 rural setting as you can get

00:35:48.840 and even from round here is

00:35:50.200 he no and even they don't

00:35:51.620 want him there anymore as

00:35:52.960 we'll find out in a moment

00:35:54.040 but those were all

00:35:55.200 excellent ideas for putting

00:35:56.480 in incentives for people to

00:35:58.700 be able to go to their

00:35:59.720 local pub and enjoy a pint

00:36:01.220 and maintain the business

00:36:02.320 and maintain the social

00:36:03.300 cohesion of those local

00:36:04.320 areas that's fantastic now

00:36:06.180 they are potentially going

00:36:07.380 to be doing a u-turn on

00:36:09.060 this but what if instead

00:36:11.340 the government almost

00:36:13.480 doubled business rates for

00:36:16.600 local pubs and all

00:36:17.980 hospitality all hospitality in

00:36:20.000 general because this is

00:36:22.020 something that the treasury

00:36:23.360 has basically stated at this

00:36:25.680 point that they are going to

00:36:26.600 do a reversal on this but

00:36:28.240 since rachel reeve's last

00:36:29.780 budget it's been looking

00:36:31.320 that they've they've set

00:36:32.520 aside 4.3 billion pounds in

00:36:34.680 transitional relief in the

00:36:36.340 budget so that they would

00:36:38.380 try and be able to sneak

00:36:39.660 this through the door but

00:36:41.780 that in terms of how this is

00:36:43.700 actually going to hit

00:36:44.560 individual pubs is going to

00:36:46.140 be a drop in the ocean

00:36:47.380 because they say in this

00:36:49.240 article when the budget was

00:36:50.820 examined immediately

00:36:51.560 following the average pub

00:36:52.980 and I believe this also

00:36:54.140 applies to a lot else in the

00:36:55.700 hospitality industry as well

00:36:57.540 but pubs were the ones that

00:36:58.440 people were focusing on the

00:36:59.980 average pub was facing a 15%

00:37:02.300 increase in business rates in

00:37:04.840 April rising to 48% next year

00:37:08.620 and 76% in 2028 so almost

00:37:12.760 doubling the expenses on

00:37:15.720 business rates for these

00:37:17.300 places it's it's ruinous and

00:37:20.060 and as well as you say with

00:37:21.260 all of the other electricity

00:37:22.420 costs and everything else

00:37:24.280 that comes with this

00:37:25.200 potentially new laws put in

00:37:27.500 place that are going to

00:37:28.280 disincentivize people going to

00:37:29.680 the pubs in the in the future

00:37:31.020 this is going to make it so

00:37:32.780 that the only pubs that are

00:37:34.660 going to be able to survive

00:37:35.900 are probably going to be the

00:37:37.780 kinds that I mean even the

00:37:39.240 ones that these ministers who

00:37:41.000 came up with these ideas go to

00:37:43.660 they might not they might not

00:37:45.080 survive either of course

00:37:46.620 small business not just

00:37:47.700 pubs and country they hate

00:37:48.460 small business I grew up in

00:37:49.340 a little restaurant we lived

00:37:50.760 above it my dad was a chef

00:37:51.960 and the constant change oh

00:37:54.940 you could have a new fire

00:37:56.020 door it's constant nonsense

00:37:57.760 like that rates they just

00:37:59.540 hate small business sorry

00:38:00.820 well they've also done this to

00:38:02.700 pubs and hospitality more

00:38:04.820 generally which are industries

00:38:07.120 that are already not exactly

00:38:09.460 generating a very large profit

00:38:10.980 to begin with pubs are already

00:38:13.340 dying before they did any of

00:38:16.180 this and so this is just

00:38:17.640 accelerating that to an

00:38:18.940 absurd degree yeah and for all

00:38:21.120 of the welfarism that labor

00:38:22.820 pushes as well they just see

00:38:24.540 these small businesses they see

00:38:26.260 them as little little money

00:38:28.200 pouches to steal from that's

00:38:30.160 what it is it's always about it's

00:38:31.840 not just about the attack there is

00:38:33.420 also a certain level because

00:38:35.180 rachel reeves explained and a lot

00:38:37.340 of the ministers explained that

00:38:38.380 they hadn't actually consulted any

00:38:40.880 of the business leaders that

00:38:42.260 these policies would be

00:38:43.500 affecting before they decided to

00:38:45.300 write up the policies classic

00:38:47.140 which is which is a genius move

00:38:48.980 they genuinely just don't

00:38:51.120 understand they are completely

00:38:52.560 incompetent and think that well

00:38:54.760 these businesses are here

00:38:56.460 therefore they will always be

00:38:58.340 here and they will make a

00:38:59.680 certain amount of money and

00:39:01.360 therefore we can just skim as

00:39:03.140 much of that money off of the

00:39:04.360 top as we want and things will

00:39:05.640 remain the same there seems to

00:39:06.740 be a strange level of static

00:39:09.020 thinking going into well they're

00:39:10.560 looking at numbers on a

00:39:11.460 spreadsheet and not thinking

00:39:12.500 about the implications of it is

00:39:14.080 the best i could probably give

00:39:16.660 them but of course rachel reeves

00:39:18.180 what what's her actual claim to

00:39:20.480 any economic expertise she worked

00:39:22.100 in an it support department for a

00:39:24.060 bank i mean she doesn't know

00:39:26.280 what she's doing does she adds up

00:39:27.760 to me she can't hey it says here

00:39:31.920 the crisis has been triggered by

00:39:33.120 the unwinding of covid era

00:39:34.440 discounts on business rates for

00:39:35.800 the retail hospitality and leisure

00:39:37.120 sectors sectors coupled with a

00:39:39.620 rates revaluation so those

00:39:41.500 discounts were to make sure that

00:39:42.800 during covid while they were

00:39:44.220 having to be shut that they

00:39:45.560 would still be able to remain

00:39:46.700 open obviously that didn't

00:39:47.960 really work all of that well

00:39:49.420 because they still closed a lot

00:39:51.840 of pubs following covid allies

00:39:54.260 of ms reeves insist she became

00:39:56.200 aware of the scale of the issue

00:39:57.600 only after the budget because

00:39:59.220 treasury officials were barred

00:40:00.620 from looking at the impact of

00:40:01.840 the rates revaluation on

00:40:03.540 individual businesses why why

00:40:08.360 anybody got any good answers for

00:40:10.060 that the no no the scale of the

00:40:13.900 increase has triggered a furious

00:40:15.620 backlash from the hospitality

00:40:17.200 sector with more than 1500 pubs

00:40:19.620 reported to have banned labor mps from

00:40:21.980 their premises nice i respect it

00:40:24.000 makes perfect sense but of course

00:40:26.000 ministers have signaled that there

00:40:27.900 will be a climb down on this a u-turn

00:40:30.820 on the tax hikes for these pubs that

00:40:32.700 says here mutinous labor mps were

00:40:34.600 told that rachel reeves will

00:40:35.720 announce a package of emergency

00:40:37.120 help within days now this article

00:40:40.000 was updated after after this and

00:40:44.320 i've looked around and i can't see

00:40:45.640 anything saying that this has

00:40:46.900 definitely happened yet but we'll

00:40:49.020 see as the time goes on in an about

00:40:51.440 turn rapid even for this government

00:40:52.940 treasury sources confirmed the

00:40:54.320 climb down to six weeks after the

00:40:56.120 chancellor unveiled budget plans

00:40:57.700 which critics said would send all of

00:40:59.440 these businesses in the retail and

00:41:01.160 hospitality sector to the wall this

00:41:04.160 package will deliver a lifeline for

00:41:06.060 pubs but they were unable to say

00:41:07.640 exactly how it would work or what it

00:41:09.780 will be worth leaving pubs still

00:41:12.220 worried and hotels restaurants and

00:41:14.520 independent retailers reacted with

00:41:16.460 fury after minister signaled it

00:41:18.360 because these concessions will only

00:41:20.260 apply to pubs so even all of these

00:41:22.440 other businesses that will be affected

00:41:24.120 by this massive hike in business rates

00:41:26.720 they're not going to get any relief of

00:41:28.640 it and even the relief that as yet we

00:41:31.000 do not know what it is that may be

00:41:33.220 coming it might just be another thing

00:41:35.720 where they're like oh we've got more

00:41:37.360 relief money for you instead of 4.3

00:41:39.280 billion pounds let's make it an even

00:41:41.920 eight billion pounds but even then

00:41:43.700 again in terms of the overall lifetime

00:41:46.220 increase in costs that's going to be

00:41:48.420 incurred by these pubs that will be a

00:41:50.400 drop in the ocean the the best way to

00:41:52.900 solve this would be to just frankly

00:41:55.620 eliminate these business rates altogether

00:41:58.660 for these businesses yeah i mean you're

00:42:01.380 already taxing you're already taxing

00:42:03.700 alcohol and like and you're already

00:42:06.620 like having to get everything for the

00:42:08.420 electricity and everything they can

00:42:10.080 find different ways of making up

00:42:11.880 whatever budget shortfalls that that

00:42:13.420 would create including say for

00:42:15.080 instance i don't know maybe like

00:42:16.380 massively reducing the welfare state i

00:42:19.980 would get rid of tax just never sat right

00:42:22.180 with me i agree here here you know

00:42:24.680 every time every time i look at my

00:42:27.080 pay slip at the end of the month yeah

00:42:28.700 i just i i i feel you man all that all

00:42:32.460 that flat rating they tried in latvia or

00:42:34.700 somewhere i like the sound of that it was

00:42:36.040 very simple flat rate you heard of that

00:42:38.180 yeah well it makes sense because then

00:42:41.040 everyone pays the same amount of tax and

00:42:43.000 it's still a proportionate system and i

00:42:46.140 still think it's ultimately suffering the

00:42:48.220 same problems but it's less egregious than

00:42:49.980 the one we have yeah i think you should

00:42:52.060 be able to pay for better services

00:42:54.120 relative to how much money you have

00:42:55.520 basically like i i shouldn't have money

00:42:58.320 taken from me and given to single

00:42:59.740 mothers that is even worse so now i

00:43:02.440 can't or foreign single mothers showed 1.00

00:43:04.040 up yesterday yeah i can't believe you

00:43:05.900 picked out single mothers among the many 0.98

00:43:07.320 groups that we don't want to give money

00:43:08.880 to i just wanted to show how hard

00:43:10.820 they're one of the ones i i i don't

00:43:15.660 think about very much there are lots of

00:43:17.620 mothers that come for well ahead of them 0.91

00:43:19.800 in line i know but i've talked about

00:43:21.580 those many times it's boring

00:43:23.160 you're going to say new things

00:43:24.180 going after the mothers yeah i'm just

00:43:28.240 it's a bit tiny josh has got to say new

00:43:30.040 things by reverting to 2005 daily mail

00:43:33.380 rhetoric that's breaking new ground there

00:43:36.960 buddy hey the news cycle's boring

00:43:38.640 sometimes you've got to get kind of

00:43:39.840 hedonic treadmill of your own rhetoric

00:43:41.760 who can i go after now i've done all the

00:43:43.600 immigrants i know my own my own

00:43:47.400 colleagues you in particular harry i

00:43:51.000 don't want anything for you and uh of

00:43:53.740 course the tories and other parties have

00:43:55.960 tried to use this as a as a beating

00:43:57.720 stick for them but frankly labor don't

00:44:00.320 really need much opposition to tank

00:44:02.660 their next election whenever that comes

00:44:04.240 around that's one of the reasons that

00:44:05.480 they've been going around cancel saying

00:44:07.060 please cancel your local elections uh

00:44:10.660 that are coming up and i believe at least

00:44:13.260 a dozen councils have started to just

00:44:16.040 actually cancel these elections because

00:44:18.920 it's not looking good for labor a you

00:44:21.280 gov poll cited in this article has

00:44:23.500 revealed more people than ever

00:44:24.880 disapprove of the government with a net

00:44:26.720 approval rating of my slumping to minus

00:44:29.880 59 an all-time low that's pretty bad and

00:44:34.680 this will be part of it there will be a

00:44:36.300 lot of compounding factors but this kind

00:44:38.680 of just attack on traditional british

00:44:40.480 culture and people's social lives is

00:44:43.600 seen as something that's a complete

00:44:45.460 disconnect from this kind of ruling

00:44:48.400 elite city dweller mentality to the rest

00:44:51.560 of the country and even those within the

00:44:53.600 cities that they dwell in even those who

00:44:56.020 dwell within the pubs which are

00:44:57.700 supposedly kirstarmer's favorite local

00:45:00.740 the pineapple in kentish town in north

00:45:03.960 london have said that they want him

00:45:06.040 barred he shouldn't be welcome here

00:45:08.560 according to locals at his local such as

00:45:11.360 the unpopularity of the prime minister

00:45:12.960 this labor stronghold locals in this

00:45:16.000 labor stronghold locals have said that

00:45:17.540 they would boycott the establishment if

00:45:19.600 he wasn't barred by the landlord i know

00:45:21.900 that i used to do gigs there when i

00:45:23.440 started comedy i think sorry did you ever

00:45:25.900 see kia in the audience no no is he a

00:45:28.100 heckler it's the one i'm thinking of

00:45:29.320 he didn't like the kind of place he would

00:45:30.980 ever be to be honest with you

00:45:32.020 it's a different one there's photographs

00:45:33.840 of him there there he is pretending to

00:45:36.700 be human he looks very out of place

00:45:38.760 there there's the outside of it do you

00:45:40.940 recognize it no maybe it's not the same

00:45:42.720 one that is similar to a lot of kentish

00:45:44.280 town pubs there he is posing with uh

00:45:47.300 with real people of which he is not one

00:45:49.800 and here's a load of tweets of him

00:45:52.540 saying like i'm at this pub right now

00:45:54.560 for a quick drink before lunch i'm really

00:45:56.720 enjoying going to the pub initiate human

00:45:59.200 programming is what i'm lovely pint of

00:46:01.360 i'll call on a scampi please start

00:46:03.380 yeoman of the bar

00:46:04.220 and uh the chancellor um the chancellor

00:46:09.720 that being rachel reeves has already been

00:46:11.360 barred from the marsh in her local by that

00:46:14.020 landlord martin knowles since then more

00:46:16.420 than 200 pubs have backed a campaign to

00:46:18.380 ban labour mps from all pubs but even

00:46:21.620 whisperings of a tax climb down have failed

00:46:23.520 to quell disquiet from inside the pineapple

00:46:25.620 yes because it is a direct attack on their

00:46:28.760 local social community it's interesting how

00:46:31.460 the pub has become a sort of right wing

00:46:33.460 thing when i go back home down my way

00:46:36.200 um i think that's the last reason they hate

00:46:38.700 it so much the last couple of times i went

00:46:40.800 to the pub down there someone's recognized

00:46:43.100 me from here and bought me a pint so if

00:46:46.440 there are lotus eaters audience members in

00:46:48.580 the pubs perhaps that's part of the reason

00:46:51.080 there's a few people like that at my local pub

00:46:53.380 as well i've actually become friends with a

00:46:54.880 couple of them then they tend to be good

00:46:56.980 blokes secret fight club we have

00:46:59.100 everywhere well we don't talk about it

00:47:00.420 obviously that's one of the rules quite high

00:47:02.380 on the list but yeah but he's gonna spill

00:47:04.800 all the secrets if there were a secret

00:47:06.820 network of people you know in ordinary

00:47:09.000 jobs they would be lotus eaters fans

00:47:10.540 rather than kia starmer fans that's all

00:47:12.020 i'm saying this is true this is true uh but

00:47:14.820 i just want to end on this as well which

00:47:16.800 is that if they do end up going back on

00:47:18.960 this tentatively this is not the only

00:47:22.460 thing that they are kind of half-heartedly

00:47:24.780 backtracking at the same time because

00:47:26.940 of course we heard a lot of word for a

00:47:29.120 long time about digital ids and mandatory

00:47:32.060 digital ids that being tony blair's secret

00:47:35.160 plan 20 plus years in the making the

00:47:38.540 thing that he really got into politics

00:47:40.140 to do for whatever reason he's just been

00:47:42.280 laser focused and obsessed with mandatory

00:47:45.120 digital id but in the past week we've heard

00:47:48.640 word that this government is going to

00:47:50.380 drop the plans for it but i don't think

00:47:52.840 it's quite so simple i'll just go

00:47:54.960 through some of this information and

00:47:56.320 then we can end here so they say in this

00:47:58.960 bbc article the government has dropped

00:48:00.580 plans requiring workers to sign up to a

00:48:02.700 new digital id system in order to prove

00:48:04.620 their right to work in the uk because

00:48:06.300 this was being sold as a larger anti

00:48:08.220 anti-illegal immigration uh effort i

00:48:11.940 should say of course ignoring the fact

00:48:15.240 that illegal immigrants being employed by

00:48:18.000 foreign businesses probably wouldn't have 0.93

00:48:20.560 them on the books in the first place

00:48:22.240 negating the whole point of this these

00:48:25.920 people have been so we've seen it many

00:48:27.580 many times from people who've done

00:48:28.820 reports and investigations into these

00:48:30.800 foreign businesses that purposefully 0.95

00:48:32.740 hire foreign illegal workers is they'll 0.97

00:48:35.480 basically sneak them in through the back

00:48:37.020 door have them living above or nearby

00:48:39.880 sometimes even multiple people in

00:48:41.940 essentially a shed for a few weeks and

00:48:44.920 then they will filter them out cycle in a

00:48:47.100 new group and that original group will

00:48:48.840 end up going elsewhere in the country

00:48:50.780 none of it ever gets put on the books

00:48:52.860 so why they think that this would change

00:48:55.080 anything answer it wouldn't it's just so

00:48:58.600 that they can add an extra layer of

00:49:00.600 control over your day-to-day life and

00:49:02.800 track you but they are saying that they

00:49:05.640 are going to work to pull this back

00:49:07.440 instead labor ministers say that existing

00:49:09.980 checks using documents such as biometric

00:49:12.460 passports will move fully online by

00:49:15.200 2029 which sounds like not too much of

00:49:19.540 a distinction to me because if you're

00:49:22.360 still using these biometric passports and

00:49:24.400 everything is going to move fully online

00:49:26.020 the likelihood seems to me correct me if

00:49:28.960 I'm wrong here lads that they would

00:49:31.000 probably still want to bundle all of

00:49:32.840 that information into a single app for

00:49:35.760 use of for convenience of use which was

00:49:38.020 the thing that they were saying that

00:49:39.520 this digital ID would be in the first

00:49:41.080 place basically the apparatus of state

00:49:42.700 going that way already in the way in

00:49:45.160 which the services are being

00:49:46.520 transformed all signals that digital

00:49:49.420 ID is going to come along regardless

00:49:51.540 and until that changes I don't believe

00:49:53.280 that it's gone for good amazing as you

00:49:55.740 say how obsessed they've always been

00:49:57.380 with it Blair particularly and how the

00:50:00.080 British public always reject it because

00:50:02.000 even if we're massively surveilled and

00:50:03.640 tracked now it remains a symbolic thing that

00:50:06.160 we just don't react well to digital ID we're

00:50:08.880 like no it feels it feels like the the

00:50:11.340 last step yeah for a lot of people we

00:50:13.700 always say no and they always push it

00:50:15.200 again because Satan never takes a day

00:50:17.160 off so they always it's funny this time

00:50:19.400 Rupert Lowe was a big part of getting

00:50:20.940 rid of it but as you say maybe it's not

00:50:22.620 really got it'll never really be gone

00:50:24.020 because I'll never they'll still they'll

00:50:25.760 always continue to push it they'll always

00:50:28.240 want it to be in the in the works even

00:50:32.220 if the last globalist left on earth was

00:50:34.560 in some secret bunker somewhere there'd be

00:50:36.820 pushing for digital ID in some capacity

00:50:39.000 like in a tiny like Alex Jones bunker

00:50:41.440 to broadcasting to an audience of of

00:50:44.760 three thousand people he'll be pushing

00:50:46.480 for digital ID and again that is what's

00:50:49.800 still going on the transport secretary

00:50:51.580 Heidi Alexander told BBC Radio 4's

00:50:53.920 Today program the government is still

00:50:56.220 absolutely committed to mandatory digital

00:50:59.220 rights to work checks including through

00:51:01.180 biometric passports and said that

00:51:03.320 digitizing the system would help crack

00:51:05.460 down on illegal working the digital ID

00:51:07.520 quote could be one way in which you prove

00:51:10.640 your eligibility to work through a

00:51:12.520 digital right to work check she said so

00:51:15.280 again to me the celebration of this it

00:51:18.980 seems to be symbolic because they are

00:51:21.960 saying that they're dropping rights

00:51:23.500 dropping plans for mandatory digital ID but

00:51:26.340 we are still going to be digitizing all of

00:51:29.220 the other government documents and checks

00:51:31.220 moving them fully online by 2029 and

00:51:34.380 presumably as part of that creating some

00:51:36.560 kind of government app that will bundle

00:51:38.180 all of these together which was literally

00:51:40.100 what they said the digital ID was going

00:51:42.820 to be anyway all of your government

00:51:44.120 documents and files bundled together onto

00:51:47.260 a single app that can be used for

00:51:49.000 convenience so it's interesting how we

00:51:52.700 keep getting these small victories these

00:51:55.860 small incremental victories while the

00:51:57.940 broader points the broader goals of these

00:52:01.140 policies are still very much in work

00:52:04.320 behind the scenes it may be that they're

00:52:06.520 just saying this to get people to stop

00:52:08.560 paying as much attention to it right now

00:52:10.860 before they just go ahead and announce

00:52:12.480 that they've done it already so we'll see

00:52:14.640 where this goes I do think that if you're

00:52:17.320 going to do anything if you want to help

00:52:18.800 the situation if you don't frequent your

00:52:21.000 local pub go to your local pub speak to

00:52:23.420 the local people there form that bond with

00:52:25.720 the community if you don't have it already

00:52:27.460 because it is the best thing that you can

00:52:30.600 do to get a real love and connection to

00:52:33.840 the or to your home there we go I'll read

00:52:37.700 through some of the rumble rants we've got

00:52:40.220 here are you going to cover Victor Orban

00:52:44.120 exposing queer starmas back core sellout 1.00

00:52:47.300 at the EU meeting in Hungary a few days

00:52:49.820 ago it's a huge story but the MSM is

00:52:51.360 playing full cover for the worm I'd not

00:52:53.500 actually seen that have either I've heard

00:52:55.740 about it yeah yeah well there goes to

00:52:58.060 show the kind of reporting that we're

00:52:59.320 getting about it over here have you heard

00:53:00.800 about it no I don't think I know I'll

00:53:02.160 have to take a look at that sigil stone

00:53:04.280 sends two in saying let me put it this

00:53:06.140 way about Kevorkian his advocacy is the

00:53:08.120 source of assisted suicide all over the

00:53:10.120 West that's what I suspected and

00:53:13.380 Starmer just wants to ban alcohol to

00:53:15.020 comply with Sharia law Luke says if

00:53:18.060 your rural pubs are anything like the

00:53:19.620 rural pubs we have in Australia they

00:53:21.080 won't be any cops for miles for you

00:53:22.740 guys to worry about getting pulled over

00:53:24.180 that is true that was something that I

00:53:26.060 was considering as well but again just

00:53:27.960 knowing that the law is on the books

00:53:29.940 can itself act as act as a disincentive

00:53:32.460 for some people who might just have it

00:53:34.260 play in the back of their mind now this

00:53:35.960 isn't going on YouTube there is a work

00:53:37.920 around as well to drinking and driving

00:53:39.940 if you're in in the countryside and that

00:53:42.300 is own a horse because it's not illegal

00:53:45.080 to be drunk on a horse and you can return

00:53:47.540 to tradition at the same time that's

00:53:49.860 also meant many old pubs still have the

00:53:52.300 same facilities for a horse what if the

00:53:54.780 old pub what if the horse is drunk is

00:53:56.460 that covered there's no laws saying your

00:54:00.440 horse can't get drunk I was gonna say

00:54:01.700 are you allowed to ride a sober like a

00:54:04.240 drunk horse as long as you're sober I

00:54:07.560 wouldn't recommend it but I'd be willing to

00:54:10.640 try I don't I don't think it's illegal I'm

00:54:13.640 sure it would be more animal abuse to get

00:54:15.660 your horse drunk can you ride any other

00:54:17.180 animals I don't know getting beyond the

00:54:20.120 limits of my maybe a donkey your whole 0.97

00:54:22.520 segment on this I think no I don't think

00:54:24.740 it's a segment this is worthy of a full

00:54:26.420 on lotus eating experiment we need to

00:54:28.400 like top gear style go to a go to an

00:54:31.280 aircraft hangar you want a donkey me on a

00:54:33.280 horse someone else on I don't I'm way too

00:54:35.580 big for someone with like a sleigh we'll

00:54:38.280 invite we'll invite Callum back in so

00:54:40.360 that he can go on the donkey that feels

00:54:42.260 right it feels like comic relief to have

00:54:44.340 the tall person on the donkey Luke is the

00:54:46.920 lightest he could ride a small cat okay

00:54:51.180 give him a little sleigh of cats like 0.85

00:54:53.740 they're what he's on the little sleigh and

00:54:56.280 there's just a bunch of cats trying to

00:54:57.680 I think house cats I think we've got an

00:55:00.600 idea here chaps anyway carrying on ko 1.00

00:55:03.900 triple seven six maybe commies just hate 0.76

00:55:06.040 small business because they're impossible

00:55:07.320 to nationalize whereas big business is

00:55:09.000 easy this is true it would be much easier

00:55:11.140 to nationalize the slug and lettuce than

00:55:13.500 it would be your local that's Connor's

00:55:15.860 ideal policy he's got like slug and

00:55:19.160 net lettuce nationalism tattooed on him

00:55:21.760 somewhere hewitt 1642 the only way to

00:55:25.160 save pubs is to enforce mandatory smoking

00:55:27.200 for all patrons over 12 years of age

00:55:29.800 earlier yeah I would remove the the ban on

00:55:33.640 indoor smoking for pubs I would happily do

00:55:36.560 that the pub owner can have discretion over

00:55:39.060 that's where I step off because I did

00:55:40.940 comedy for years in these places and I

00:55:43.440 would be dead but uh you're both smokers

00:55:46.420 aren't you so there's a there's a not

00:55:47.820 no there's no reason we smoke I I turn

00:55:50.060 into a manager my father seeing this no

00:55:52.600 I'm not okay yeah good point I turn into 0.90

00:55:55.380 a managerial fascist when it comes to you

00:55:57.120 and smoking I almost all the principles 0.98

00:55:59.700 got the window because I hate it so much

00:56:01.100 but I understand I'd keep I'd keep it like

00:56:03.140 it is you don't you don't love the the

00:56:05.740 beautiful atmosphere of the hazy smoke and

00:56:08.240 the old-fashioned English pub if you say

00:56:10.560 no to this I'm going to accuse you of

00:56:12.320 being a Jacobin or something no comment

00:56:15.380 there um it certainly covered up the

00:56:18.500 smell when they stopped when they

00:56:20.200 changed them are you like oh old pubs

00:56:21.540 stink when they got rid of smoking you

00:56:23.120 know me when they first got really be 0.99

00:56:24.040 like oh they smell weird they smell like

00:56:25.840 old food they do yeah that also sticky

00:56:28.660 floors sometimes this is starting to turn

00:56:30.020 into pub bashing I won't accept it I'll

00:56:32.020 read the last two Bay State first rule of

00:56:34.620 le fight club by islander second rule of

00:56:36.800 le fighter fight club caps lock this time

00:56:39.660 by islander third rule of le fight club

00:56:42.660 never give money to those lazy single 0.99

00:56:44.680 mothers that's Josh's first rule but yeah 0.55

00:56:47.400 yeah and Luke also says I second this top

00:56:50.000 gear idea you have I think it will make a

00:56:52.560 great lads hour that's true and let's get

00:56:54.680 on not sure we'll fit all the barnyard

00:56:56.320 animals in the studio to be honest but it's

00:56:59.140 worth a shot hang on I'm gonna double check

00:57:03.560 that this one I'm gonna unplug the box

00:57:05.220 please do get back in there you go

00:57:08.360 oh we're in business okay so I'm gonna be

00:57:14.220 talking about why we are not the same and

00:57:16.520 who do I mean by we I mean the West I

00:57:19.480 mean Europeans we are not the same as 0.95

00:57:21.320 the rest of the world and we've talked

00:57:23.300 about this a lot and particularly in

00:57:25.400 regards to immigration but we've never

00:57:26.820 looked at the actual data in the

00:57:28.940 research and the psychological

00:57:30.000 publications that have been discussing

00:57:32.600 this sort of thing and I find it very

00:57:33.840 interesting and what sort of inspired me

00:57:36.320 to do this was someone very kindly tagged

00:57:38.360 me in this and they said I'd find it

00:57:39.960 interesting and it's just a graph I'm

00:57:42.000 not sure if it's actually representing

00:57:44.260 any sort of data or more of an analogy

00:57:46.340 this bell curve it reminds me of another

00:57:48.840 variation of bell curves that I've seen

00:57:50.980 elsewhere also I imagine the

00:57:52.600 distribution would look very similar as

00:57:54.520 well it does actually but the point

00:57:57.900 being that Westerners have very unique

00:58:00.740 psychology relative to the rest of the

00:58:02.480 world and this guy here William Meyer

00:58:06.380 does talk about one study from 2020 and

00:58:10.100 I'm going to read what he says and then

00:58:11.780 give you my own thoughts and we can sort of

00:58:13.600 talk about it in greater detail so he

00:58:17.240 talks about the multivariate rarity of

00:58:20.280 Western psychology multivariate just means

00:58:22.240 multiple variables using data from the

00:58:25.100 world values survey from 2005 to 2014

00:58:27.680 across 80 different countries so around

00:58:30.640 85% of the world's population an Indian

00:58:34.420 researcher and a bunch of other Western

00:58:36.640 researchers showed that cultural and

00:58:39.240 psychological differences between

00:58:40.520 societies are best understood as patterns

00:58:42.640 across multiple variables rather than as

00:58:45.680 large gaps on any single dimension so

00:58:47.580 basically what they're saying is that

00:58:49.120 there's there can be overlap but these

00:58:52.660 these differences compound over multiple

00:58:56.180 variables that create the uniqueness of

00:58:59.140 each culture and therefore there can be

00:59:00.780 quite significant differences even though

00:59:03.280 on a single variable there can be people in

00:59:06.420 multiple different cultures that exhibit

00:59:07.940 that that behavior and it carries on saying

00:59:12.260 when hundreds of traits are considered

00:59:13.680 jointly Western populations emerge as

00:59:15.540 statistically unusual in multivariate

00:59:18.160 psychological space despite substantial

00:59:20.120 overlap on individual traits broadly

00:59:22.800 speaking the study finds that Western

00:59:24.440 populations exhibit higher individualism

00:59:27.180 are more willing to cooperate and

00:59:29.040 extend moral concern beyond kin place

00:59:31.480 greater emphasis on personal freedom and

00:59:33.800 self-expression display greater tolerance

00:59:36.420 for individual variation and place less

00:59:38.840 emphasis on obedience to authority now all

00:59:42.080 of this to me sounded very common sense it did

00:59:45.520 yeah and it's interesting to me that

00:59:47.940 things that we've talked about without any

00:59:49.860 sort of data background here are being

00:59:53.560 vindicated as statistically significant

00:59:56.180 differences between Western cultures and

00:59:58.500 other cultures and is there anything there

01:00:01.380 that you think should be there that's

01:00:03.220 missing of course we're going to be talking

01:00:04.800 about this for the rest of the segment but

01:00:06.620 I mean I can already see one of the things

01:00:09.300 that they say has been left out of it but

01:00:12.280 one thing that makes me curious about this is

01:00:14.520 obviously we've got the comparison between

01:00:16.620 all non-Western cultures and Western 0.90

01:00:19.320 cultures in general as well is there

01:00:22.100 anything major that differentiates all of

01:00:25.180 the non-Western cultures that's included

01:00:27.180 within this because I'm I'm curious is it

01:00:29.740 that say a Chinese and a Middle Eastern

01:00:33.100 culture is more similar to one another

01:00:35.280 than either of them are to Western

01:00:37.400 cultures so there's this interesting

01:00:40.520 phenomenon where East Asia in particular

01:00:42.600 there's there's basically I'm going to get

01:00:46.500 into the weeds a little bit and people

01:00:48.000 going to wag their finger at me but if you

01:00:50.320 look at maps of genetic diversity the parts

01:00:53.560 of East Asia that are considered quite

01:00:57.320 collectivist so China and the Korea's Japan

01:01:01.300 and and some of the other Southeast Asian

01:01:04.040 sort of the Oriental countries as we'd call

01:01:05.880 them they've got very low amounts of

01:01:08.300 genetic variation there's a lot of homogeneity

01:01:10.560 there and also they're very collectivist

01:01:13.360 which I find interesting and that's

01:01:15.160 different to some of the the rest of of

01:01:17.400 say even Asia itself in that because

01:01:20.400 they've got this genetic homogenousness

01:01:23.760 which is obviously not the correct homogeneity

01:01:26.320 that's the one I did say it seconds ago I know but

01:01:30.000 I'm trying to explain it in simple terms and not 0.99

01:01:31.880 sound like a jargony idiot so because they're 0.99

01:01:36.320 very homogenous they can have this view of the 1.00

01:01:39.080 collective good and things like that and

01:01:40.800 feel more at ease with being dependent on

01:01:43.700 one another however other parts of that

01:01:47.620 world just simply don't have that because

01:01:49.540 there's more genetic differences and there's

01:01:51.180 a genetic route to this manifestation of

01:01:54.080 social behavior and that you don't get

01:01:56.380 elsewhere and I think in particularly

01:01:59.760 Germanic cultures in in Europe we're

01:02:02.860 disproportionately individualistic we're

01:02:05.140 sort of the opposite end of the scale but

01:02:07.780 that doesn't seem to be as related to genetic

01:02:11.740 variability as it is we're still there's still

01:02:14.580 more variability than in East Asia you know

01:02:17.280 how people used to sort of back in the times

01:02:20.660 when you could do this joke that some East Asian 1.00

01:02:23.260 people very much look the same and it's easy to

01:02:25.820 mistake them for one another you know people

01:02:27.640 still sometimes say that but there is actually

01:02:30.360 some data to back that up and there's still the

01:02:33.700 variation in in Europe but the variation doesn't

01:02:36.960 map on as neatly to this linear relationship

01:02:39.960 between genetic variation and say collectivism and

01:02:43.240 things like that so so there's there's

01:02:45.180 suggestions and I've been reading a book on

01:02:47.320 this that Western individualism may have been

01:02:50.840 more of a cultural innovation than pure genetic

01:02:54.920 determinism I think it probably is

01:02:57.000 is there's more of a cultural element to it than

01:03:00.140 perhaps how people view society in other parts

01:03:03.600 of the world it also seems higher in England than

01:03:05.840 than Europe historically in terms like English

01:03:07.840 people would move away from family and go and find

01:03:11.080 houses where the work was and set up their own

01:03:13.320 castle what I'm into maybe it's too big a question

01:03:15.580 what I'm interested in is is is the idea that higher

01:03:18.760 individualism but paradoxically more willing to

01:03:21.160 cooperate because of course if you just care about

01:03:23.780 your clan you don't care about the whole the thing

01:03:26.260 about that it can flip but if you're individualistic

01:03:28.680 there still has to be some sense of a wider family

01:03:31.020 whether it's genetic or not you have to have a

01:03:32.940 sense of you want to cooperate with everyone in

01:03:34.880 the country and be an individual at the same time

01:03:37.160 rather than just your clan but if that goes wrong

01:03:38.860 you have the sort of atomization we have now

01:03:40.900 well the the in the research that I've read regarding

01:03:44.200 this by people like Kevin Macdonald and some of the

01:03:47.140 stuff that I've seen from Joseph Heinrich who

01:03:49.420 discuss Western individualism it seems to be the

01:03:52.460 idea that in the particular particularly with the

01:03:54.760 Northwestern climates of Scandinavia Britain

01:03:58.280 Northern Europe in general that because of the

01:04:01.240 fact that the climate forced it forced clans to be

01:04:04.380 much more atomized in general it forced for resource

01:04:08.140 acquisition a greater deal of cooperation between

01:04:11.940 clans and you had to be able to use your reputation

01:04:16.420 develop a good reputation as an honorable and

01:04:19.380 trustworthy person so that people from outside of your

01:04:22.820 immediate group would be willing to cooperate with

01:04:25.180 you which suggest which they suggest is why it is that

01:04:28.880 that Westerners in general have a or but Northwest

01:04:34.560 Europeans more specifically have a greater deal of

01:04:37.920 willingness to cooperate because they have descended

01:04:41.040 from a culture that has emphasized things like honor

01:04:44.260 trustworthiness and altruism to the out group even when the

01:04:48.020 out group was just the next plan over there's also a very

01:04:51.140 interesting phenomenon whereby collectivist societies and

01:04:54.740 then there were lots of studies done in China for example and

01:04:58.440 they found that despite you thinking well okay they're

01:05:02.640 collectivist they care about the group they care about

01:05:04.760 you know getting along with other people and the well-being of the

01:05:09.720 group over themselves well in China they found that people are 0.98

01:05:14.900 far more willing to cheat to get ahead and lie and do

01:05:18.620 underhanded things like to the extent whereby there was one of

01:05:22.720 the questions I believe that stood out to me was were you willing

01:05:26.500 to poison someone in a fair competition to try and you know

01:05:31.280 eliminate them because they're clearly better than you and in China 1.00

01:05:34.820 that was the culture that was most willing to do that and also

01:05:39.320 there were next superpower guys yeah that's disturbing and in Japan

01:05:43.480 for example there were because of the the nature of rice farming

01:05:49.620 because there's also this divide between the individualistic northern

01:05:52.560 Chinese I know I'm going back to China again which is not Japan but 1.00

01:05:56.200 the northern Chinese were more individualistic and the southern 0.95

01:05:59.840 Chinese were more collectivist and the north they cultivated wheat and in

01:06:04.620 the south they cultivated rice and that's simply because you need to

01:06:07.280 cooperate more with the rice cultivation than you do with the wheat and so

01:06:11.960 there's a difference within the culture but it with studies in Japan of rice

01:06:16.860 farmers they found that actually being dependent on one another and having a

01:06:20.640 collectivist approach made them more resentful and less likely to want to

01:06:24.740 cooperate but they don't complain about it and address problems of people not

01:06:28.220 putting in sufficient effort and feeling like they're doing a

01:06:31.640 disproportionate amount of the work because they wanted to smooth over

01:06:34.900 relations whereas when you're individualistic you can agree to

01:06:38.660 cooperative terms on a more fair sort of balance because you're not

01:06:44.500 necessarily dependent on one another and so you've got a position to

01:06:48.340 negotiate if you know if you break off that that cooperation you're not doomed

01:06:53.240 then to starve yeah one thing and this is obvious I suppose given everything we

01:06:57.340 know about immigration but the problem is if you put in the people who will 0.52

01:07:00.380 potentially poison you in with the high trust people it's a prisoner's dilemma

01:07:04.680 and you brought in people who were just going to do the wrong thing I mean

01:07:08.800 that's that that's why such you can't have cultures mixing one thinks that you

01:07:13.700 can poison someone the other thinks you can't on a point of honor and the

01:07:16.360 interesting thing with that comparison with China is that China obviously you

01:07:20.460 can quibble over whether the IQ scores that they represent to the rest of the

01:07:24.960 world are entirely accurate or not but they are an intelligent people they they

01:07:28.900 are a very highly advanced culture even before Westerners got there they were

01:07:33.800 one of the outside of Europe they were one of the grandest civilizations to emerge

01:07:38.340 times they were more technologically advanced than even the Romans in some

01:07:41.920 dimensions exactly so so this isn't always a question of pure intelligence this

01:07:46.740 is a question of temperament personality trait you can be smart but evil yes

01:07:51.900 shocking not that all Chinese people are evil or anything like that I've met I've

01:07:55.740 met plenty I've worked with plenty of very kind Chinese people no poisoning not

01:08:01.060 that I'm aware of do you know what won't poison you though Islander magazine buy it

01:08:07.200 now for 15 pounds or 14.99 I'm inflating the price for something Josh has just saved

01:08:12.960 you a penny I did just by misspeaking discount it's got beautiful things in it you

01:08:18.000 should buy it it sells for a lot more than we sell it for so we could probably raise

01:08:21.640 the price but we don't because we're nice and because we're nice you should

01:08:25.060 buy our stuff Josh has tried to get us to double the price but we keep saying no

01:08:28.760 Josh you don't even work here he wants to put it out the range of single mothers 1.00

01:08:32.340 I don't want them reading it disgusts me

01:08:36.480 no of course not but anyway one thing I did want to bring up

01:08:41.940 is this so these are Piaget's stages of cognitive development most people are

01:08:47.880 actually familiar with this even outside of psychology

01:08:50.160 he is Jay I mainly hear about him from Jordan Peterson yeah he loves him talk about him yeah

01:08:55.000 um that's probably where most people on the right have had it introduced so what I wanted to draw

01:09:00.160 attention to is the concrete operational and formal operational stages of seven to eleven years old

01:09:06.020 here for concrete operational concepts attached to concrete situations time space and quantity are

01:09:12.840 understood and can be applied but not as independent concepts interesting there that the concept of time

01:09:19.060 is uh you know seven to eleven year olds in this western centric notion of development when parts of

01:09:26.500 uh certain continents still haven't got that what was it again Africa time that's that's the phrase

01:09:33.040 isn't it that they themselves use therefore I'm not being it's real rude yeah we all know it's real

01:09:37.660 and uh then there's the formal operational stage which is eleven year olds and older

01:09:43.500 theoretical hypothetical counterfactual thinking abstract logic and reasoning strategy and planning

01:09:49.720 becomes possible interesting there isn't it that there are certain uh abilities mental abilities

01:09:56.900 that are gatekept by stages of cognitive development we'll revisit this concepts learned in one context

01:10:04.200 can be applied to another so you know you know you learn one principle um in something like um innovating

01:10:12.480 say when you're learning music and then you apply that to something else a field where it doesn't

01:10:17.140 necessarily apply you can understand the actual abstract principles of play so that's that's very

01:10:24.240 important and in uh this paper here it has a quote somewhere down here um from piaget who

01:10:34.140 said it is quite possible go away science direct um where is it it doesn't matter i'll read it um

01:10:43.840 it is quite possible and it is the impression given by the known ethnography literature that in numerous

01:10:51.520 cultures adult thinking does not proceed beyond the level of concrete operations so you know one of the

01:10:59.940 the most quoted developmental psychology um psychologists is saying that many cultures people don't actually

01:11:08.400 exceed the stage in which in the west we get to at seven to eleven years old they never get to this formal

01:11:15.980 operational stage where they can be you know theoretical and hypothetical like how would you feel if you

01:11:23.640 didn't have breakfast this morning that's theoretically and hypothetically terrifying oh well it is it is

01:11:30.660 isn't it yes and factually i didn't want to go there i'm staying within the realm of theory you've

01:11:36.180 learnt a concept in one context and applied it to another well done have i how good even though i went to

01:11:43.180 state school so did it all happens we all happens much later than these ages we all managed to get above

01:11:49.340 our stations clearly gentlemen we wouldn't be allowed on the spectator though or anything like that

01:11:54.000 that's true thank god so another unique thing other than the fact that we exceed the state of development

01:12:01.220 of an 11 year old um is that we're weirdly monogamous so here's a picture here um or a graph should i say

01:12:12.180 looking at relationship types and you can see other than this weird thing going on in latvia there's probably one

01:12:18.920 dude with lots of wives there i don't know what what the deal is there in the baltic um but apparently 1.00

01:12:26.460 the rest of europe is very much monogamous we're just nothing actually what's that sorry we're just

01:12:32.360 nothing if you look at britain yeah we've not got a dot ireland ireland is accounted for but in cell

01:12:38.500 island i'm not even playing the game we're too individualistic like it's an entire island of nick

01:12:43.020 dixons i can't believe it people call us turf island actually that's wrong but it's it's

01:12:51.440 interesting that this has existed in our culture since uh um they argue here the middle ages i would

01:12:57.780 say even earlier than that well well interestingly enough this exact subject that you're talking about

01:13:01.880 is all part of a book that i'm reading at the moment called greatness and ruin by um a man called

01:13:06.520 dr ricardo douchnais i don't know oh yeah the one yeah um and he's he's speaking all about all of

01:13:15.080 this and he's speaking about piaget uh in exactly the context that you're talking about with where you

01:13:20.800 can overlay the um the childhood development of cognition over to societal development as well

01:13:27.260 he speaks about joseph heinrich and heinrich puts it all down essentially to the catholic church

01:13:33.600 banning cousin relationships and without those pesky sexy cousins we stay with our wives spoken like 1.00

01:13:42.080 a true devonshire man the problem is that heinrich seems to be suggesting that the catholic church just

01:13:49.320 accidentally stumbled onto the rules that would allow for an explosion of monogamous um monogamous

01:14:00.280 marriages outside of your own immediately family group uh the problem is that it seems by all

01:14:07.080 intents and purposes the catholic church knew exactly what it was doing so even within these works like

01:14:12.980 the weirdest people in the world it's mentioned explicitly here look yeah uh joseph heinrich and

01:14:19.500 these these works um they do still basically try and make it sound as though the west

01:14:24.340 accidentally stumbled onto a winning formula for civilization they also like to attack christianity

01:14:30.480 yes which when in when instead i think the uh the evidence seems to suggest given our great uh

01:14:36.980 literary history the history of people writing formal treatises on logic and all kinds of systematic

01:14:43.960 thinking that europeans have been very well aware for most of the history since the ancient greeks

01:14:50.600 what they were doing and why they were doing it no i very much agree with you there and there's also

01:14:57.080 the the sort of second order effects of by having monogamy you have the nuclear family and a form of

01:15:04.440 individualism of you go out and you form your own nuclear family in your household this just sort of works

01:15:11.680 in in spreading civilization also have a greater investment in rearing your own children if you're a man

01:15:18.580 because you've only got this one set of children from this one woman rather than polygynous societies 1.00

01:15:23.720 where well you know i can trust that i wonder where you see this kind of behavior cropping up i'll have

01:15:29.580 a few kids with this one a few kids with that one and they'll figure it out by i don't know man i don't

01:15:35.300 know where that's like andrew tate's uh philosophy half of his philosophy i imagine um so yes

01:15:42.180 interestingly enough um in very monogamous areas you also find increased trust in strangers which

01:15:50.800 you'd think hang on a minute well if there's less community involvement in your family how can you

01:15:55.520 trust strangers well they're not as up in your business or particularly your wife's business

01:15:59.980 and so you you're more trusting of them i imagine and also the fact that you can cooperate with them as

01:16:06.240 we addressed before sort of on your own terms rather than having to be dependent on them in some way

01:16:11.900 and so i think that that leads to more honest and dare i say equitable cooperation again it's all based

01:16:19.960 on if i want to be able to work with the people from the next village over i'm going to need to know

01:16:24.820 that they're honest and trustworthy and they're going to need to know that i'm honest and trustworthy

01:16:29.420 therefore i should develop that reputation of being a virtuous person best of all actually

01:16:36.140 exhibit it in your private life as well so another thing that's been associated with monogamy is greater

01:16:42.900 psychological independence and analytical thinking which i find interesting as well as the development

01:16:49.200 of um impersonal institutions and markets so it basically opens up for greater commerce as well which

01:16:56.620 i find very interesting i don't know how these sort of different familial structures limit that

01:17:03.720 i find that very interesting like how can you not have as widespread trading if you're you know

01:17:09.840 poly you're a practitioner of polygyny i don't understand but i suppose that means that there's more

01:17:16.220 research to be done but another useful way of looking at it is um if we have a look at this

01:17:23.580 r and k selection in human families and these are strategies that are more sort of biological it's

01:17:31.000 you can look at this in non-human species as well looking for quantity and quality and this very much

01:17:39.240 shapes how uh both an organism as well as a culture develops i think in the west we're very quality

01:17:48.100 oriented aren't we we generally have smaller families that um we invest more into the children

01:17:55.380 rather than say you go somewhere like india where they have about 10 kids but you know if one falls

01:18:01.040 into the open sewer and dies then you know it's fine i've got nine others and so it's not as important

01:18:07.440 well yeah the europe is known for case selection generally i mean like you say it's even represented in

01:18:13.320 the way that we biologically develop because on the case selection side here you can see traits like

01:18:17.660 delayed sexual maturity and reproduction fewer children and smaller families longer birth intervals

01:18:23.300 these are all things that are easily observable within yeah well i i hear cases in africa and india and

01:18:29.800 other parts of the world of girls getting pregnant like six or seven years old and i was thinking to

01:18:35.220 myself how is that even possible but it's that they they come from a part of the world where

01:18:40.660 development and the the sort of time in which you can reach sexual maturity is much lower because

01:18:47.800 they come from these our selection societies or peoples should i say it's not really a social thing

01:18:54.920 it's all biological whereas in the west it simply wouldn't be possible for that to happen because we

01:19:00.580 have this this selection pressure towards how we use our resources and i can't remember what this is

01:19:08.580 in my notes i've just got it as racism ah yes oh yes um so this study um gets banded around a lot the

01:19:16.900 the white people are not racist to anyone and everyone else is racist to us and i think that

01:19:23.400 although it is quite compelling there are some limitations of it although what it gets at is

01:19:28.000 something unique about us that we're uniquely focused about these sorts of things like we we are so

01:19:34.620 oriented in being fair to one another because we've got we've been programmed to think in sort of

01:19:40.440 pro-social big bigger society ways because of the way all of the prior things have positioned us that

01:19:48.120 we look to cooperate with other people that we're preoccupied with this whereas other groups simply don't

01:19:53.940 care and they're unapologetically chauvinistic for their own groups now one thing that does make me

01:19:59.720 skeptical is that um asian respondents here rated white people as as lower than black people which

01:20:07.380 if you've ever spoke to any asian person ever um and hispanics as well you would expect you would 0.99

01:20:14.200 expect asians to be like rankers above either of them it just means they're secretly hating us just 1.00

01:20:21.240 even more than you think well i mean i mean this is this is i assume stated preferences so that is one

01:20:28.200 weakness of this this is what those respondents want to signal rather than necessarily reflecting

01:20:34.680 revealed preferences i think if you were to go for instance with asian rates of intermarriage

01:20:39.900 the revealed preference there would not reflect that i think it's high social status to slag white

01:20:46.980 people when it's totally it is especially at the time when this study was taken which you can see

01:20:51.440 down there it's america 2020 published in 2021 therefore we're kind of reaching peak woke

01:20:58.040 and so of course the whites are going to feel a certain political pressure to respond a certain 0.94

01:21:03.480 way all other groups are being constantly bombarded with propaganda about how whites are the worst 0.95

01:21:09.820 people ever so there are also these cultural influences from the outside that we need to take

01:21:14.400 into account yeah and i've read some of the other literature looking at this same question

01:21:18.100 and it seems to suggest a bit of a different picture that actually white people are a bit more racist than

01:21:23.580 uh it's made out to be which you know it would be expected because i don't actually think or a bit 0.97

01:21:30.060 less pathetic you could say that's another way of putting the only ones like we hate ourselves we love 0.93

01:21:34.720 everyone else they're all like we hate you which is a bit pathetic at a certain point yeah you're sort of 0.98

01:21:38.840 like putting yourself at the bottom position in the hierarchy there but the point being here as well 0.93

01:21:45.440 that you can't actually not be racist so to find that we're just not racist it doesn't make sense

01:21:50.740 because everyone unconsciously prefers people genetically related to them whether it manifests

01:21:55.840 or not as explicitly is a different question but they do so there should be in an objective rating

01:22:01.620 a bit more variance there and also i'd expect people to be a bit more favorable towards white people than

01:22:07.180 here in ordinary times when it's not peak woke america it depends how much the revealed preference

01:22:14.300 harry was talking about comes out because if the white respondents say these things publicly and

01:22:19.180 therefore act that way publicly because they know socially it's appropriate then it becomes the

01:22:23.540 same thing if they privately act a completely different way then it then then this is erroneous

01:22:29.340 but i think that using stated preference here um is it could be self-fulfilling to some degree is what

01:22:35.620 i'm saying or it might not be i think using stated preference is a mistake here anyway because

01:22:40.600 i think it's much more interesting to look at revealed preference than stated because stated people

01:22:45.920 there's such a social acceptability desire here when you're talking about things like racism that

01:22:51.840 it's such a taboo topic that people aren't going to be honest no matter what yeah but i'm just having

01:22:55.400 account of that when you look at the white one they do pretty much act like that so i wonder if

01:22:59.560 because answering the it's just i'm just thinking out loud answering the poll is a social act but so is

01:23:04.580 all kinds of other things they might treat people as they would answer the poll you see even if they

01:23:09.820 privately have other views you know i mean in their own house or in their own mind i'd also expect

01:23:15.140 there to be more variation as well because i i refuse to believe that white people living in america

01:23:21.460 in certain parts of america wouldn't be racist just based on their experiences like from what i've

01:23:27.780 heard of people living in say black majority areas in the south who are white i've heard some pretty

01:23:33.260 horrible stories i imagine it'd be enough to make people shift that little dot in that that response but

01:23:39.400 it's it's a flawed study i think but um what is not a flawed study is the wealth of iq data and one

01:23:47.040 thing that is unique about um the western world is that um barring argentina for some reason i wonder

01:23:54.260 what aspect of the western world got to that argentina following world war ii um so you know what

01:24:01.220 i was getting roped into here disavow wow look at north korea though now that's impressive north korea's

01:24:06.920 doing all right south korea's even better um but what we're seeing here is basically east asia

01:24:13.040 and the west does very well on iq chip iq tests i think russia can be thrown in with europe a little

01:24:20.700 bit they're sort of they've got european culture haven't they despite you know i mean there's european

01:24:25.960 russia and then there's asian russia and i imagine european russia is even then asian russia is probably

01:24:31.420 doing fine as well who's got irish dna in the test because they're just a little behind them

01:24:36.020 i've got some oof a little bit reform versus tory there on the

01:24:41.380 but um the point being here as well that a lot of the the behaviors you have to reach a certain

01:24:49.860 threshold of intelligence to be able to exhibit them to have the self-awareness for example not

01:24:54.800 to use your speakerphone on public transport you need at least a post 90 iq to be able to understand

01:25:02.660 that concept that me making noise loud on the phone disturbs other people therefore bad

01:25:08.340 right which is very simple i've always wondered what the reason is but i thought it was because

01:25:13.720 they other people don't have the same other groups don't have the same social conventions as

01:25:17.320 but you're saying in many cases they basically physically incapable of understanding it yeah in the

01:25:23.120 the sense of i've told a lot of indians off in public for doing anti-social things because i've

01:25:28.860 sort of take a zero tolerance approach now to people breaking english social norms

01:25:33.440 and a lot of the time they're annoyed at the fact i have a problem with it that's more of an issue

01:25:39.520 they don't even approach they don't even see the problem with it they just see me as having an

01:25:44.360 objection to something they're doing it's like what's the problem this is a public place we can do what

01:25:48.360 we want and that's the line that's the opposite of the public yeah and i explained to them actually

01:25:54.580 no there are lots of laws in place that um prohibit people being obnoxious in public like there's a guy

01:26:00.560 playing really loud music it's like listen you need to turn that down because you're disturbing

01:26:05.100 lots of people here it's like no no no this is a public place i'm allowed to do this you are wrong

01:26:10.120 um it's like no actually the public order act of 1986 um prohibits the didn't even need an act

01:26:15.460 trudging it's just like well this is our country this is what we do i mean i mean i love that that

01:26:19.700 this is a public place i can do whatever we want it's like what have those two things ever gone

01:26:22.720 together you're thinking of private place you need a law for something when something only when

01:26:27.720 something starts going wrong yeah and that's exactly it isn't it that it's a a clash of very

01:26:33.480 different world views we don't need laws for us to do this because it's so baked into us

01:26:38.600 both as a people we ended with a singapore model which lee kuan you said he's a good you could only get

01:26:44.740 there with laws and brutal enforcement we had it organically which was the greatest thing which

01:26:49.540 we've now pissed away anyway sorry so you're impressed by this study carry on so um it's worth

01:26:56.420 mentioning intelligence is largely inherited and so this is a problem that isn't necessarily going

01:27:01.960 to go away 0.8 heritable is that right yeah it's very heritable one of the most 0.8 i'm told is that

01:27:07.840 right does that make sense 0.8 is like 80 yeah was it a very uh was it a very uh eccentric man in a

01:27:13.640 cravat that's where i got that all right but the final thing is that knowing all of the things that

01:27:20.460 we've talked about when you see something like this that's made to insult us is basically like

01:27:26.780 a highlight reel of all of our best points you should be flexing over this rugged individualism

01:27:33.040 and things like that self-reliance that's a bad thing apparently because it's white culture of course 0.57

01:27:38.580 this is us focused but it's basically when they say white they mean european in a sense and in in

01:27:45.740 all of these senses the west sort of roots its culture from europe doesn't it and that quite

01:27:52.720 often is true of where we're from yes yeah and uh things like the nuclear family here that doesn't

01:27:59.680 seem weird now because that is unique about us emphasis on the scientific method you know looking

01:28:05.240 at evidence and having rational linear thinking this is for some reason a reason to condemn us

01:28:10.340 you know the reason that we invented all the technology that you you know we're using right

01:28:15.140 now um having a respect for history and things like that yeah have you focused on the british empire

01:28:20.640 oh boohoo you know biggest empire that ever existed formed the united states although it's talking

01:28:26.860 about judeo-christian there boo two things are not compatible protestant work ethic as well

01:28:32.880 religion christianity is the norm is basically just being white here is just being european

01:28:40.300 following time being oriented to the future um working hard and having respect for people who

01:28:47.940 have succeeded these are all things that are just aspects of european and western culture more

01:28:54.380 generally and all of these things they're complaining about um like being number one and caring about

01:29:00.380 being successful um like they're insulting us here for being good for our our culture producing one of

01:29:12.940 the most prosperous uh civilizations that have ever existed i don't believe we have aggressiveness and

01:29:18.760 extraversion though they might be thinking of the german or dutch there or something but i don't know

01:29:23.340 that they're not necessarily as extroverted i think aggressiveness surely that's more

01:29:28.720 do i do i say it no i'll be good good no you've still got a line

01:29:33.820 that's a finished just yes i'm glad that you've taken a very anti-racist approach to your timekeeping

01:29:41.980 on this segment josh i i know yes it went on for a little while didn't it to be fair we've been having

01:29:47.580 a decent chat so whatever may i have a mouse you can thank you i'll read through while samson gets

01:29:54.360 the videos up i'll read through a couple of these rumble rants for the whites graphs on the racial

01:29:59.900 preference stated uh it comes down to i am not racist i hate everyone equally the phil anselmo excuse

01:30:07.260 there you go hewitt says i want to see videos of josh socially policing indians that can go on the

01:30:13.800 daily channel sigil josh has negative seven million is that what does that mean what is that

01:30:21.520 it's the thing where indians don't mind messing over other people to get ahead themselves and they

01:30:27.360 see it's like a bonus that's correct isn't it how do you measure iq in the hermit kingdom or

01:30:32.720 confirming places as corrupt as the ccp that's the fun part you don't hapsification remember guys 1.00

01:30:38.900 always avoid your first to eighth cousin always find the lady from a completely different village 0.97

01:30:44.460 that josh you really should have listened to that one don't trace my family history

01:30:49.540 i had friends learning chinese and part of that is learning culture and my friends pointed out with

01:30:55.400 all chinese inventions if the choice was tradition or innovation they sided with tradition you find that

01:31:00.520 with basically every culture outside of europe is that between maybe eighth century and second

01:31:07.160 century bc they went through something called the axial age where they developed these uh huge

01:31:12.920 advancements in their own culture and then for some reason stopped and then just stayed that way

01:31:20.460 for thousands of years afterwards and anything new that came from it was more just a kind of

01:31:26.780 a small development on tradition that was already there rather than something new and innovative in

01:31:32.060 of itself that's and and to be fair that's one way to structure and structure a civilization there's

01:31:37.820 nothing like there's no moral value in that uh hapsification we should also consider not hooking 0.88

01:31:43.780 up with your first cousin and having kids with them helps build civilization as well i read a few

01:31:48.880 of my it's true it's a hate crime against my people want me to read some of my yeah go for it

01:31:52.940 annie moss regarding kemi's zoom call i disagree with her premise the damage done to the tory party is 0.68

01:31:57.180 being done by the tory party not by defectors and she says defection of tories to reform is just

01:32:01.620 another way to control the uni party that way if reform wins then once again nothing will happen

01:32:05.420 i just wanted to read this one nick dixon texting milfs is the name says you don't insult people

01:32:11.140 you want to win over i disagree josh on the prime example of why is donald trump he's insulted nearly

01:32:16.640 everyone in his current cabinet some very personally it's all just political theater until

01:32:20.920 loyal underlining are needed yeah that that is basically true trump's got away with that to be fair

01:32:26.760 they all insulted him as well so i think it was kind of a mutual thing well i don't care

01:32:31.460 what you think now you need to be won over to prove your point yeah uh i'll read some of mine

01:32:37.540 annie moss again to all english people if you want the pub to survive you must go there and give them

01:32:41.980 your money otherwise they will die this is true this is what i always say to my missus as well which

01:32:46.920 is i need to go to the pub do you want them to die and then she doesn't have a response to that 0.96

01:32:52.240 then i put on my uh white sleeveless tank top oh what i heard a rumor there's eu legislation in the

01:32:59.500 works to mandate locking the ignition behind a breathalyzer on new cars the problem may be

01:33:03.900 even more petty and bureaucratic than previously believed i believe that's already the case in a

01:33:07.980 few countries in europe and they are looking to potentially um make that law in england but only

01:33:15.400 for people who already have convictions for drink driving nicholas ware young men talking freely after

01:33:21.320 having a few drinks drinks is what they fear men who do that tend to get ideas true and let's go

01:33:26.340 through some of yours michael says absolutely fascinating stuff reminds us uh why england

01:33:31.620 with such a small population was able to conquer half the world and maintain an empire also explains

01:33:36.820 rome and why the ottomans collapsed and uh where was it uh benny pax says i have a friend who is

01:33:44.460 french and italian that has lived in africa for many years he's never on time and doesn't know when to

01:33:49.100 leave yeah well apparently it can be learned welcome to hotel nigeria sorry about that anyway on on that

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