The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1337
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Summary
Brother Stelios is joined by Brother Harry and Brother Josh to discuss the ongoing Greenland crisis, the proclaimed collapse of globalism, AI, and AI predictive crime. We also have further announcements, including the announcement that Islander 5 is selling out fast!
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Hello, everyone. Welcome to the podcast of the Lotus Eaters. Today is podcast number 1337.
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And I'm pleased today to be joined by Brother Harry and Brother Josh. Hello there. I'm Brother
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Stelios, your host. And today we're going to be talking about the ongoing Greenland crisis,
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the proclaimed collapse of globalism. It dies a thousand deaths and AI predictive crime.
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We also have further announcements. Number one, we have Islander 5. It's selling out quick.
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Like hotcakes. It actually is. This isn't just sales talk. It actually is.
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You have to buy it. It's only $14.99. And they're saying that this contains articles that are among
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the greatest articles that have been written for Islander. So definitely check them out.
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Yeah. So $14.99. And also we are having, this isn't working.
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We are having a round table at 3pm for Greenland, the Greenland crisis. So it's going to be me,
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Yes. So we are going to discuss Greenland and Trump and the EU from multiple angles. So do check
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it out. Join us for that round table. Right. So I think we should start talking about the...
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Before we start, before we start. Samson, how can we please solve this?
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What happened was it was changing the tabs down on our screens here.
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Right. We are going to talk about the ongoing Greenland crisis. And this is a crisis that we
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have spoke about before. Josh and I did a segment about a year ago. And we were very prophetic.
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Yeah, we did have the people in the comments telling us that us two know nothing. But no,
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we know a lot of things. And we were absolutely right.
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We were absolutely right. And we are going to talk about Greenland and the crisis that is happening
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and is unfolding right now. But before we say, before we say more about this, we have Islander
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number five. Check it out. Only 15 pounds. Check it out. It's selling out quick. It has great
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articles here by Carl, Luca, Morgoth, academic agent. Check it out.
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Right. Right. Let's go to Greenland. For some time now, we didn't hear Trump talking about
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Greenland to the extent that he talked about last January. But now he has revisited his
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rhetoric about acquiring Greenland and sometimes invading. And there has been consistent meme
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posting about Greenland becoming U.S. territory. Here we see Donald Trump having this, the United
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States flag in Greenland and says Greenland U.S. territory till 2026. And there is a meme
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war, but also diplomatic tension right now unfolding. And we have also Greenlanders mocking American
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culture by imitating fentanyl users. This is just, you know, people mock each other. They're
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Yeah. I think it's a bit unfair to say it's just American culture.
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Yep. Good soundtrack, though. Don't get copyrighted. At least they picked some good American music.
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But it's at the moment now where everyone is just trashing each other. Americans are saying
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you have a high suicide rate. The Greenlanders are trolling them for being fentanyl users.
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So there's a bit of European-style banter going on. This is normally reserved for Europe because,
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you know, it doesn't travel that well. But it's good to see that they're slowly integrating,
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it seems. They're preparing for their takeover.
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Well, let's see if it's going to happen. Because personally, I don't know. I'm not certain that it
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Right. So we are going to talk to you about some of the statements that have been made,
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some of them from Trump. And then we're going to discuss the larger context and what is good
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about this and what is bad about this, at least from our point of view. Right. So here, Trump
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sent a message to the Norwegian PM, which personally I find a bit unhinged. He says,
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Dear Jonas, considering your country decided not to give me the Nobel Peace Prize for having stopped
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eight wars plus, I no longer feel an obligation to think purely of peace, although it will always be
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predominant, but can now think about what is good and proper for the US, United States of America.
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Denmark can't protect that land from Russia or China, or why do they have a right of ownership
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anyway? There are no written documents. It's only a boat that landed there hundreds of years ago,
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but we had both landing there also. I've done more for NATO than any other person since its founding
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and how NATO should do something and now NATO should do something for the US. The world is
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not secure unless we have complete and total control of Greenland. Thank you, Donald J. Trump.
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So my understanding of this, at first, obviously, I was a little bit like, well, that's not the best
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way of going about it. And then I realized that this might, this approach might work a
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little bit better in the United States, but it doesn't particularly travel well outside of it.
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It's sort of applying an approach here that it's sort of very culturally entrenched in America of
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saying, listen, I've done all this stuff, you need to give me what I deserve. Whereas in Europe,
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we don't really talk in these terms. And people just see it as what amounts to a threat because
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he's saying he no longer thinks of peace, and that he's very narcissistic because he's patting himself on
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the back for lots of stuff. And also comparing landing the boats to Greenland as if that's
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equivalent to the Vikings going there, or at least, you know, in the Middle Ages.
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Is this part of the art of the deal? Is this a chapter that nobody's told me about,
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the acting like a narcissistic senile blowhard? Is that part?
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Maybe it's the madman theory, because it is a bit mad to say, now that I didn't get the Nobel
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Peace Prize, I can now think about what is good and proper for my country. And so were you postponing
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it to see if you would get the Nobel Prize? Well, anyway.
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And similarly, I've seen Keith Woods speak about this as well, that Americans have been telling
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people like Keith Woods when they've been discussing this, well, you need to have America owning
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Greenland because if you don't have America owning Greenland, China's going to come and swoop in
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and use anti-colonial narratives to try and undermine Danish rule of Greenland, and China's
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going to use that to destabilize it and take control of it anyway. Whereas America is actually
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also using anti-colonial decolonizing language there anyway, such as the whole, what's the right
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of ownership they have for it anyway? They just landed a few boats there, we landed boats there too.
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But I was listening to a stream last night that was discussing some of the history of
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Denmark with Greenland. Obviously it's actually been part of the Danish Kingdom since the 1300s,
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they arrived there before there anyway. But also something that I didn't know was that the
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Inuit, native, whatever you want to call them, population of Greenland is more like American blacks
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than they are other native tribes in America. Because I learned that they're actually
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ethnically 25% Danish. They're a mixed population. So even if you want to go with the anti-colonial
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narratives, well actually it's already been, they've already been mixing for at least 700 years anyway.
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I can't remember whether it is Iceland or Greenland, you might know Harry, but wasn't it that they came
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Yeah, we showed up first, or at least the Danes showed up first.
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Right, we have to move on here. Trump is threatening with tariffs anyone who will say no to him,
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and anyone who will say that they disagree with his position on Greenland, which I think isn't good for
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the global economy, including the U.S. economy. For several reasons, Fox News says here daddy's about
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to land and he has needs. Well, I don't know. Let us play this.
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I bet Al's already started drinking because daddy's about to land and daddy has needs.
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Yeah. So, yeah, you heard Jesse Waters from Fox News, daddy's about to land and he has needs.
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Right. And Trump also reposted someone who says basically something weird.
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This Bobby D says, so at what point are we going to realize the enemy is within?
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China and Russia are the boogeymen when the real threat is the UN, NATO and this religion.
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I put religion in quotes because it's not a religion. It's a death cult. Yeah, I went there.
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So, no, they're talking about NATO. And the point is, if Trump wants Greenland
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as a matter of national security against Russia and China and their operations in the region,
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why does he repost someone who says, well, no, it's a boogeyman to talk about Russia and China,
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forgetting the fact that Trump is perhaps one of the biggest voices against China for years now.
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Suddenly they are just, no, it's only UN and NATO who are enemies.
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I think the best thing here for the Americans and Denmark and Greenland is a similar agreement to
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what the United States has with, say, Germany or Britain, whereby they have the ability to have bases
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and, you know, you can set up these in Greenland and you're not going to disturb too many people
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because there's lots of space to have a military base, right? And they don't actually need to formally
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own it. Denmark can continue to have it as its territory. They can have the military bases for
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the security if that's truly what they're interested in. No problem, right? Because it's already a
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precedent set with other European countries. I don't think they're going to object to, okay,
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we can help your defense. It seems like there's something other than that, because that would be
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There is already military presence there by the US. And that is the issue because right now lots
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of people on X and especially in the US, they are formulating a misleading question. The question is,
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what does Trump gain from purchasing Greenland? That's a misleading question. The question they
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should be asking is, what does Trump gain by pursuing Greenland that he doesn't already have
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and at what cost? Because is it national security? Sorry, that's misleading. The US is already there.
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They have a 1951 treatise. They have the pitufek base there. There is already military presence by the US
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in Greenland. And there is already an invitation by the Greenlanders to the Americans, to the US to do
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business with respect to mining the rare earth minerals. So all of this isn't just for national
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security and access to rare earth minerals. All of this is just for an extra, for a better deal.
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I was going to say, they're not already security arrangements in place through NATO and through
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all the diplomatic agreements that they have with Denmark that would allow them to place bases and
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extra military presence on Greenland if they asked or negotiated for it anyway. Similarly,
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the question of whether it's just for the security of trade routes going through the Arctic Ocean
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as well. Everybody likes the point, well, if you look at the globe from the top, you can see why
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Greenland is so important. But the thing is like, if you're worried that Russia is going to disrupt those,
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well, there are eight countries that inhabit that region of the Arctic Ocean, which all border it,
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right? Of the eight of them, seven of them are already in NATO. Like, one of them is Denmark through
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Greenland. There are security arrangements through NATO there. One of them is Canada. One of them is
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the US through its presence in Alaska. It's got Norway, it's got Finland. Like, why is it absolutely
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paramount that outside of the already existing security arrangements that are there, that they have to
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own it, just fully own it? And it's also at what cost? Because personally, I don't think that there
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is so much an issue with coming to an agreement, and the US purchasing Greenland, because it has
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happened before they did it with Alaska, they did with the Virgin Islands, they have purchased land
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before. I think it has happened five, six times in the in the in the history. But I think that what is
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important here to to to say is that the way Trump is going about it is very bad for the entire Western
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world. It's very it's needlessly disruptive for the Western camp. And it's also very bad for the US
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economy. If you if you are a member of the audience from the US and you say, I don't care about Europe.
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No, you may not care about Europe, but you should care about the US economy. And one of the issue is
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that the more chaotic the environment becomes, and the more people understand that Trump is using tariff
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talk for as a means of negotiation, well, the more investors are going to be scared away from the US
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economy. Because stability and predictability are the sort of bedrock of encouraging investment.
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Exactly. So if you may not care about Europe, but care for your own economy. And it's not just that it's
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also invading an ally. Invading an ally means your word doesn't count means you're losing credibility.
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That's what he's doing. Do you know what I think is going on here? Like what underlies a lot of
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the way Trump has approached this? I think that it's coming up to the midterms. Maybe they're a little
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bit worried about how they're going to do. Maybe they think that they could underperform a little bit.
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I don't think they're going to do too badly. But at the same time, I think that the base isn't
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especially galvanized. And if you throw out some red meat, just like, yeah, America's taking over
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new territory under us, we're going to make America more powerful than ever. That's good red meat for
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people who are patriotic to go out and say, actually, you know, I like the guys who make
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America more powerful. I'm gonna vote for them. Yeah, it has plausibility. I think that to an extent,
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you're correct. I also think that the way he's going about it is having is unpopular even amidst
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Republicans. And it's actually going to make the Republicans life much more difficult in the
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midterms. Here, Scott Besant says, I'm telling everyone, sit down, take a breath, don't retaliate.
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And that trust the plan, trust Trump. I can see from a European perspective how people wouldn't trust
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Trump. Right. He says here that Trump is talking about the stock market, but there have been some
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tensions in the stock market. They are saying that right now there's a dip. Of course, there are
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people who are saying, don't get into it, buy the dip, and things are going to get better. Personally,
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I believe, yeah, things will get better relatively soon-ish. But these are indications of volatility
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that shouldn't exist. It doesn't need to happen. And they're saying NASDAQ and S&P 500 have erased
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all of their 2026 gains. And 1.3 trillion has been wiped out from the US stock market today till now.
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And this comes as US-EU trade tensions rise, Japan's bond market continues to weaken, and pension funds
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begin cutting exposure to US treasuries. And now there is a... I believe also I saw some talk of
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European nations saying that they might seek to sell off all of their American assets, which would,
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of course, flood the US market with dollars, which could cause huge problems for the dollar currency,
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the value of it. We have here the US 30-year yield rising a lot, and this isn't particularly
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good for the house market. We also have the same inflation-adjusted home prices graph here. Again,
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it doesn't look too good. And then there is also a sort of problem for the crypto market. They're
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saying that it fell significantly. Again, we'll see. The market goes up and down, but I think...
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Typically, crypto is very volatile. And even though that's, you know, a little bit of a significant
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drop, I don't think it's to the degree where it's a catastrophe or anything.
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Yeah, but the point is that there are two points here. Number one is that the narrative that it's
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only the Japanese bond blowout that is causing this is very much simplistic. And they are trying
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to downgrade the influence that the EU market has for the US market and its largest trading partner.
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I do agree. And I think that obviously with the things like stock markets, there's a multi-layered
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number of factors. But I do think that the European retaliation would have a significant
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And it's at the end of the day, it's the same thing with tariffs, that people understand that
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Trump is using tariffs as a negotiation tactic. The more chaotic the world becomes, and the Greenland
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talk does contribute to more global destabilization, the more investors get scared away because they
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think that, no, it isn't a good time to invest. The market is incredibly volatile. So it tends to
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scare off some investors away. Now, you may tell me some of them don't because they bought the dip and
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it's going to go well. But the general tendency is one that is a downwards one.
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Yeah, especially when the use of the tariffs is just like completely random as to whatever he feels
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like that day, like earlier on, just threatening a potentially 200% tariff on French wine.
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Yeah, I support that makes it cheaper for me, which helps me to add to my collection.
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That's the thing though, isn't it? Is that those kinds of tariffs will ultimately not end up helping
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average Americans because it's not the sellers who are going to be paying those tariffs. It's people
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who are importing it over in America. And Basic Economics 101 says that when they pay those tariffs,
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they pass the costs onto the consumer. And of course, it's not like there's a lack
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of market for French red wine. In Europe. Or the world. All of a sudden,
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it's a little bit cheaper for the rest of us. Carry on, please. And it says here,
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the EU is the largest single trade partner. It's 18.3% of all US trade. So yeah, more chaos,
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more volatility, less investment, more tariffs. So it seems to be unpopular among everyone. Basically,
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even even Republicans don't like it. According to several polls, some diehard Trump fans may
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may be with him on this. But generally speaking, they seem to be opposing taking Greenland by force.
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And just there's the other bit that taking Greenland by force is also invading an ally. But also,
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just think about this. Just think of Canada, for instance. If the US invaded Canada from a
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Republican perspective, there are many reasons to not want this. Why would you want to add Democrat
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voting states? Think of all the Indians you'll be absorbing. Yeah. Well, that's one of the things
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when I see people salivating over the idea of a Pax Americana stretching across the entire
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Western Hemisphere. If you're already worried about demographics within America, that's just
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another way to suddenly find yourself swamped. Swamped within a larger territory, which now all
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of a sudden whites are an absolute minority. You'll never get a job at a corner shop ever again.
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And it seems here also Trump's approval rating is declining, which won't be good for the midterms.
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And also this poll here suggests that the GOP has a depression problem and people feel demotivated to
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go and vote for the midterms. To be fair, though, I think that this sort of happens in every midterm
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election. It's a little bit of a wave where the incumbent party tends to have a little bit of
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being out of favor each time. That's just the way it seems to go as it cycles through each midterm.
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Right. So I want to share with you a few thoughts about Greenland. First of all, invading an ally
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discredits your word and by implication alienates and sabotages your existing allies and inhibits
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future partnerships. It's sort of the equivalent of betrayal. There is already US military presence
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in Greenland and also the potential to do business with the Greenlanders to mine their
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earth, rare earth minerals. It seems like this is unpopular. Many polls suggest that even as high
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as 70 percent of Republicans are against him and 86 percent of Americans are against him.
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Also, I want to say one thing is that it seems to me that he is very mindful of his image.
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And he started the year really well with Maduro and the extraction. But then there was an episode
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in Iran where he told the protesters, keep protesting, help is on the way. And then Qatar denied him the
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right to use a US airbase in Qatar in order to operate in Iran. And that was a blow to his image,
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at least in some circles. I think that one of the reasons why he wants to revisit this rhetoric now,
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and I'm talking about the style of rhetoric, not the negotiation to potentially purchase Greenland.
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I'm talking about the way he goes about it could be potentially to offset negative consequences of
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what happened in Iran and Qatar. And as I say here, at least I think the issue is not with purchasing
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Greenland. The issue is with his style of negotiation. And I know some people who care only about owning
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the libs may like this. But the point is that this has negative effects for the entire Western camp
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because it alienates existing allies and it pushes them to deepen the ties with the sides that Trump,
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first and foremost, has said are problematic, such as China and then Russia. To be fair,
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he doesn't talk about Russia as being the problem. And one thing to say here, because it's an issue of
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conservatives around the world, is that this is sabotaging conservatives who, in many cases,
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have supported Trump, even against Kamala Harris, but also on a day-to-day basis. This is definitely
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causing a really bad time for them. We'll cover it more in my segment, but if this carries on for
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European right-wing populist parties, and even, for instance, reform in Britain where Nigel Farage has
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made no secret of the fact that he's a big Trump supporter and a MAGA fan,
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this could turn to electoral poison for them. Because the liberal, the entrenched liberal elite
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of Europe get to present themselves as the defenders of Europe against a belligerent enemy
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across the Atlantic Ocean. Whereas all of these people can then be smeared and tarred by association.
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And this is what it led to in Canada. It led to Mark Carney getting elected. Why? Because
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the Pope Pierre Poilievre and his conservative party were heading the polls. Let me show you this here.
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And then when Trump started here, where Trudeau resigned, when Trump started talking about
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the invasion of Canada, and lots of people would say, trolling, trolling, trolling. Well,
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too much trolling makes one a buffoon. When he started doing this, the liberals, the image of
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the liberals in Canada got boosted and the conservative party got de-boosted and he had
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Mark Carney. So this here could have been avoided if he cared about China not exerting influence in the
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hemisphere. In his hemisphere, all he had to do was not to talk about invading Canada to own the libs.
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Go back to that graph again. Just like look at the absolute magnitude of that recovery. The liberals
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were dead. They were almost reaching the lows of the third biggest party. They were about to dip to
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become a third runner here. But instead, they made a shocking recovery after the conservatives had
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been leading for a year. A massive lead for a year up until that point. That is how badly this affected
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Canada. That was sort of, it sort of doubled their percentage. Near enough, yeah. And this was also,
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this also had an effect in Australia. We have here Drew Pavlov saying also that this sort of the same
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thing happened in Australia, that the conservatives in Australia were doing well and they got massively
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sabotaged by this. Because this kind of rhetoric boosted the image of all the leftists, of the leftist
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governments around. And also here we have Jonathan Pallison who talked about Denmark, the largest Danish
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left-wing party looked to be losing the upcoming elections, but now had a large bump due to Trump's
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Greenland posturing. He had the same effect on the Canadian election and the election in Australia.
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And it's just detrimental effect. He could have way more allies than he now has. And all of it isn't
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without talking about purchasing Greenland, it's without talking about invading Greenland.
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I mean, already in Canada, already within the EU, I believe Maloney, who is considered one of his
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strongest allies next to somebody like, I forgot his name all of a sudden in Hungary.
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Orban, thank you for the reminder, gentlemen. Maloney is one of the only people who hasn't been
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supportive of the rest of the EU member states in saying that, no, this is belligerence, this isn't
00:27:13.220
rhetoric that we like to hear, this isn't how we should handle Greenland. Come the next election,
00:27:19.060
that could be used against her. Maloney was willing to sell us out to a foreign power.
00:27:26.900
Yeah. And foreigners in general, outside of all of the other failures with Maloney.
00:27:31.300
It gives the argument to people who would be pro-US in Europe. It gives the arguments to leftists
00:27:38.900
to say that these people who are pro-US in Europe are Kremlin stooges. This is what happened. That is why
00:27:44.820
Trump is losing the European right. And by doing this, he is pushing not just Canada, but also the
00:27:51.060
EU to go to deepen its ties with China. And all of that just to own the libs.
00:27:56.020
Right. Here we have Steven Crowder talking again about this false piece of information that somehow
00:28:07.220
Europe doesn't pay for NATO and Europe doesn't pay for its own defence. Yes, there is US contribution,
00:28:13.140
but this rhetoric that somehow the US is paying for the EU's defence 100% is completely mistaken.
00:28:22.580
And he got community noted here. And it says here, citing the NATO data,
00:28:32.100
the 2014 NATO commitment that every member country should spend at least 2% of the GDP for their defence
00:28:38.900
and military by 2024 was met by every single member in 2025. They have here this graph if you want to
00:28:46.340
check out. It's in the first pages. It shows about the number of allies meeting 2%. So yeah, it's
00:28:56.020
it's a, it's a very, it's a very, let's say low resolution, low resolution rhetoric. And they say here,
00:29:05.940
Joe, Joe Williams says, since the Cold War successive US governments have gaslit Americans into thinking
00:29:12.420
Europeans get free healthcare, free education and decent parental leave while Americans don't,
00:29:17.700
because the US pays for Europe's self defence. It's a myth that also helps them justify 750 plus US
00:29:26.260
bases worldwide. Europe spends $550 billion a year on defence, more than China and Russia combined.
00:29:34.820
So even without the US, Europe is the most heavily defended continent on Earth. And they're saying that US
00:29:40.980
bases in Europe cost approximately 3.5% of the US annual defence budget and delivered outside strategic
00:29:49.940
power. And it's just, this just isn't charity. And I have here NATO data that you can check out. We
00:29:57.460
have the link, you can just check it out. So here, NATO spending as percentage of GDP, let's go here.
00:30:03.380
Finland 2.4%, Norway 2.2%, Denmark 2.4%, let's say Estonia 3.43%, Latvia 3.15%, Poland 4.12%, Germany 2.1%, France 2.6%,
00:30:26.820
the United Kingdom 2.6%, the United Kingdom 2.33%. And let us, I want to give you a number of how much
00:30:32.900
that is, because you may say, oh, 2% in the UK, it isn't much. No, it is $55 billion per year.
00:30:40.900
75. Yeah, 75. Here, Germany, 67. Poland, 31. France, 61. Spain, 24. Let's just give you some examples.
00:30:54.820
The US here spends 916 billion, but not all of it is for NATO. It's to maintain military presence. And there
00:31:05.460
have been studies that say that for NATO, the US is paying roughly the same as Germany, 16%. So yeah,
00:31:15.140
the US contribution to NATO is important. Europeans aren't saying that they don't want it or that they
00:31:21.380
feel ungrateful or something. It's just, it's not true to say that NATO is only for the defense of
00:31:28.580
Europeans and that Europeans are not paying for their own self-defense. So this talk about Canada,
00:31:36.020
again, I'll say the issue isn't with saying that he's interested in purchasing Canada, with purchasing
00:31:42.100
Greenland. It's the way he's going about it is creating needless cracks in the Western world. It
00:31:49.060
brought in Mark Carney and the Liberals. It gave them the second life, basically. It gave them,
00:31:56.100
it brought them back to life. And Mark Carney is very enthusiastic about deepening his ties with China.
00:32:05.140
And also with his talk, he alienates and makes the life of the pro-US people in Europe much more difficult.
00:32:13.940
And yes, the EU right now will also deepen its ties with China. So this isn't particularly good strategy.
00:32:21.060
This just isn't. If the strategy was isolating China and surrounding it by teaming up with Russia,
00:32:28.580
teaming up with India and surrounding it also with Japan, South Korea, Australia and talks about Iran and
00:32:38.340
something, this doesn't seem to have the effect he wants. And the point is, all of it is just with
00:32:44.980
a rhetoric that works well on X to own the libs, but doesn't work well with serious diplomacy.
00:32:56.580
All right. And here I have this video, if you want, by Henry Bolton,
00:33:00.100
who is explaining some of the stuff about the myth that the Europeans aren't paying for their defense.
00:33:08.260
Excellent. Well, we've got some rumble rants come through if you wanted to read them.
00:33:13.300
I'll scroll down for you. Where's the mouse? There it is.
00:33:17.380
Yeah. So LukeSaint91, good day. All feel like America getting Greenland would be a lot easier if
00:33:23.060
it was anyone but Trump. And I feel that the reason why neither side is giving up deal if Trump wins
00:33:28.180
Europe can say no to Trump. Exile 29, many European populations dislike their government's
00:33:35.460
underspending on defense. Trump could have just supported the rise of populist party and let them
00:33:40.820
solve defense spending rather than all this. Absolutely. I completely agree with you. And all of it is just
00:33:48.420
because it's the rhetoric, the own the libs rhetoric. It's completely needless. It creates needless cracks
00:33:54.580
in the Western camp. Again, that's a random name.
00:34:01.860
Right. LukeSaint91 for $5. Thank you. Like the Nobel Peace Prize, this feels like the only time
00:34:07.780
they can kind of stop Trump as he continues to try and break the current managerial rule we're living under.
00:34:13.460
Again, I think, again, LukeSaint91 for another $5. Thank you. I think people who like this sick of the
00:34:24.020
managerial decline, the fact that a lot of former great European countries are giving away their
00:34:30.820
holding so they're shrinking, shrinking all countries like China expand. Well, Trump is helping them.
00:34:36.980
A drunk changeling with a Nobel Prize piece off the table. Trump has decided to pursue the Nobel
00:34:43.540
War Prize. Yeah. When did they bring that in? Again, LukeSaint91. Sorry, meant to say, unlike China,
00:34:51.540
that's trying to expand. We got you, don't worry. Yeah. Let's, again, LukeSaint91. The biggest thing that
00:35:01.620
F the conservatives over in Australia just before the election might stop talking about all their policies
00:35:06.820
and allowed Labour to attack them, they didn't bother to fight. That's a random name, says,
00:35:11.460
although everything you guys said about Canada is correct. Our Tories are just like your Tories,
00:35:16.740
a bunch of traitors. The only good party is the PPC, he says, which will never get elected because
00:35:22.420
democracy is G-H-E-Y. Kasadwin says, Trump could have made any number of agreements here. Instead,
00:35:31.140
he blasters and looks like an idiot. Americans are coping as per. Sure, you can invade Greenland,
00:35:37.780
but doing that is a defeat in itself. I wouldn't tar all Americans with the same brush there. I think
00:35:43.300
there's signs that a lot of Americans understand the strategic failures that are going on here.
00:35:48.660
Most of them are opposites, yeah. Ocegdor for £5 says, how is the pro-US any different from the current pro-import population?
00:36:00.180
Well, the problem is, as we'll discuss, is the dichotomy presented is false, because what we are witnessing
00:36:07.460
right now, if you wouldn't mind getting my segment up, Samson, please, is the collapse of the New World
00:36:15.460
Order and the establishment of a new New World Order. What was once new is now old. The post-World Order,
00:36:23.620
as presented by NATO and all of the security agreements that were established during the Cold
00:36:29.300
War and maintained afterwards, are disintegrating before our very eyes, or at the very least that
00:36:36.020
is what we are being shown and that is what we are being told. So currently, right now, as we speak,
00:36:41.940
as we are recording and streaming, the World Economic Forum Davos Conference is going on right now.
00:36:48.820
And that is, of course, the meeting of hundreds of world leaders and many business leaders as well to
00:36:56.900
discuss what's going on, the plans for the future, how they're going to navigate all of the trials and
00:37:02.180
hurdles that pop up throughout the year, their plans for the future. And this year, and I will say as well,
00:37:10.340
right now, Donald Trump, as far as I know, in the lead up to this, has not given his speech yet. I
00:37:16.820
believe he is going to be giving his speech either during this broadcast or immediately after we have
00:37:22.180
finished broadcasting because his plane was a little bit late. So this information might need changing
00:37:30.180
by the time you watch this on YouTube, but it's still relevant for right now. There's still a lot of
00:37:34.020
relevant information here. So the spirit of dialogue is the current theme for it as we speak.
00:37:41.060
But really, when you look at what is being said, it's really talking about perhaps the failures of
00:37:46.500
globalism, globalism as having been led by America in the world order and how that has collapsed over
00:37:54.100
the past year or so. They were speaking in similar kinds of terms this time last year. Ursula von der Leyen
00:37:59.860
spoke this time last year about the worries of the collapse of global cooperation and the return
00:38:07.940
of a kind of competitive and hierarchical world order. And the wool has been pulled from everybody's
00:38:14.420
eyes by Trump and by the fact the Americans have seemed to kind of embrace their role as world
00:38:21.460
hegemen. They have embraced their role as the head of an empire rather than just saying that they are
00:38:27.300
the leaders of an international rules-based order. They've kind of pulled away from that and said,
00:38:32.420
yeah, we're just in charge because we have the biggest stick. The whole rules-based order thing
00:38:37.220
was what we wanted and needed it to be at any particular time so that we could get what benefited
00:38:42.260
us the most. As such, there's been a recalculation and they are discussing this on the world stage
00:38:49.220
and saying that this has been torn down. This has been torn down. We need a new establishment,
00:38:58.100
new security arrangements, new understandings of how we all relate to one another on the world stage
00:39:04.980
so that we can ensure our own freedom and security for the future. And that's a lot of the stuff that's
00:39:10.420
been spoken about on this. But carrying on the theme from the last segment, in that Trump's belligerence
00:39:18.420
regarding Greenland and his geopolitical moves recently are deeply affecting the populist right
00:39:29.060
in Europe and negatively affecting them as well, is that there is a real threat here for anybody who is
00:39:37.380
dissident to the current Eurocrat elite, right? And what that is is that America is now establishing
00:39:44.020
itself as kind of a global bully. They're being explicit about it with the way that Donald Trump
00:39:48.900
is saying that we'll throw tariffs here, we'll throw tariffs there so that we can get what we want.
00:39:53.060
If we don't like how you're negotiating with us, we might just invade your territory. We might invade
00:39:58.420
your sovereign territory. And so what this allows is for Eurocrat elites who, as we know, are
00:40:07.220
open borders liberals. They are happy for Europe to be invaded by foreign third world nations,
00:40:14.740
they're happy to establish censorious laws to prevent people from doing anything about it
00:40:19.860
or saying anything about it. It allows them to present themselves as the defenders of Europe.
00:40:26.020
It gives them that rhetorical wiggle room to say,
00:40:30.580
you, populist right-wing who are supportive of MAGA, why were you letting America push us around?
00:40:36.740
Why were you letting America tell us what we can and can't do? We are the ones who are defending the
00:40:42.820
interests and sovereignty of our own nations, and it gives them that wiggle room to potentially just have
00:40:50.660
more casus belli for censoring you even more, for potentially tearing these parties apart. You might even,
00:40:57.940
if you have been too supportive of MAGA in the way that I'm discussing, be able to be designated as a
00:41:04.100
foreign threat if MAGA carries on down this path right now. They might use it as a stick to tear the
00:41:14.020
And the more Trump deepens his ties with Putin's Russia, the more the populist right, the pro-US
00:41:24.980
right in Europe is going to be seen as Kremlin stooge.
00:41:30.100
Yeah, they can be seen as a Kremlin stooge or the equivalent of a Kremlin stooge if America is just
00:41:36.420
like, if they're just saying, we'll take what you want.
00:41:39.220
Look guys, yeah, you are basically just obeying someone who wants to divide Europe and conquer it,
00:41:46.820
and just wants to destabilize the region in order to be able to have more negotiation of power when he
00:41:55.780
is negotiating against individual nations. And of course, in Europe, there's been this
00:42:01.220
massive push as well, talking about, oh, Ukraine will never cede territory to Russia,
00:42:05.940
and it's sort of primed people to think about in terms of, okay, Europe will not cede territory to
00:42:11.540
its enemies. And then you've got the United States coming around trying to take Greenland off of a
00:42:15.940
European country. So, at the minute, the sort of psychology of both the populist and leaders is,
00:42:22.660
we're not ceding any territory to people outside of Europe. And then it's kind of the worst time
00:42:28.580
Trump could have done it with the Ukraine stuff going on.
00:42:31.060
I'm in favour of a strong Europe. I'm in favour of a strong Europe, and I want Britain to be
00:42:38.020
involved with that, not necessarily as part of the EU or anything, but I don't think that America
00:42:44.420
is doing any of us any favours right now. But a strong Europe should not be led by these people,
00:42:51.460
because these people do not have Europe's best interests in mind, as I will demonstrate as we
00:42:57.060
go along. But it lets somebody like Emmanuel Macron get up on stage wearing cool aviators.
00:43:05.940
What's going on here? Was it really hung over or something?
00:43:08.980
I would only hope so, but I think what's happened is he had eye surgery.
00:43:12.740
Some are suggesting that perhaps Bridget was a little bit too harsh to him the night before,
00:43:20.340
Candice will become relevant again. What happened?
00:43:23.060
Yep. This is how he looks after he's put out the 17th hit on Candice Owens this week. He's
00:43:32.020
He's had so many meetings with Eastern European hitmen that he's sort of taken on some of their
00:43:38.180
Yeah, their aesthetic. But it lets Emmanuel Macron present himself as the great French patriot,
00:43:45.380
wanting to stop these mean big American bullies from coming in and taking their stuff.
00:43:51.060
We have a place where rule of law and predictability is still the rule of the game. And my guess
00:44:02.260
is that it is largely underpriced by the market. Having a place like Europe, which sometimes is too slow,
00:44:10.260
for sure, and needs to be reformed, for sure, but which is predictable,
00:44:16.740
loyal. And when, where you know that the rule of the game is just the rule of law,
00:44:26.580
it's a good place. And I think this is a good place for today and for tomorrow.
00:44:33.140
So, yeah, Macron, who has been one of the people who's been banging the drum on European security
00:44:39.860
for a long time, you can go back to immediately following the start of the Ukraine conflict,
00:44:44.260
and he's got interviews with outlets like The Economist, where he's talking about the need to
00:44:48.980
increase European defence spending, to secure European borders against foreign threats. Now he
00:44:56.340
gets to double down on that. He gets to double down on saying that we are in charge, look how cool I am
00:45:04.260
in my aviators, we are going to wear the mask of virtue. We may be a little bit slow sometimes,
00:45:10.500
we may be a bit, need a bit of reform, but we are loyal, we are kind, we are good-hearted,
00:45:16.820
unlike those Russians to our east and those Americans to our west.
00:45:21.540
I mean, say what you will about Macron, but he's sort of playing the right notes here.
00:45:28.500
He is, and in the same speech he's calling out, shifting to a world without rules. Again,
00:45:34.100
this is what I mean with this, people are having to reorient themselves. Now that the facade of the
00:45:40.260
rules-based international liberal order has kind of been torn down, they're having to reorient themselves,
00:45:45.620
and that's what we're seeing here, we're shifting to a world without rules, imperial ambitions
00:45:49.620
are resurfacing. President Macron referencing fundamentally unacceptable tariffs used as
00:45:55.300
leverage against sovereignty. This is all stuff that is going to play very, very well
00:46:00.420
to a European populace that begins to feel threatened. Yeah, they feel threatened domestically
00:46:05.220
as well, but that's part of the point, is they get to distract from that. Paris and the rest of
00:46:10.500
France gets to distract from all of the terrible riots that tend to go on, all of the foreign crime
00:46:15.700
that gets committed because it unites them against a foreign enemy. That's how this works.
00:46:22.260
People speaking even more plainly, the Belgian Prime Minister Bart Deweuwe, I don't know if that's
00:46:27.300
how you pronounce his name, saying this. But now so many red lines are being crossed that you have the
00:46:35.140
choice between your self-respect. Being a happy vessel is one thing, being a miserable slave is something
00:46:41.940
else. If you back down now, you're going to lose your dignity, and that's probably the most precious
00:46:48.260
thing you can have in a democracy, it's your dignity.
00:46:52.180
So, I mean, just outright admitting there from an international leader that, yeah, we were a vassal.
00:47:01.140
We were a vassal, but at least we got something out of it. At least we got some kind of stability
00:47:05.140
out of it. At least we had some kind of level of fair play. There were reasonable trade agreements.
00:47:12.260
We could predict what was going to happen. That was the whole point of this New World Order that
00:47:17.300
was established following the Second World War. Now that's been torn down, we don't want to be the
00:47:22.900
unhappy slaves, so we're going to have to get back together and re-establish ourselves. Which, again,
00:47:30.100
would be a good thing if only it weren't that the Eurocrats in charge don't actually care about
00:47:37.220
European people and their well-being. Even America, America's diplomats, the Secretary of Commerce,
00:47:43.860
Howard Lutnik, went up and just outright said that the Trump administration and I are here to make a
00:47:48.420
very clear point. Globalisation has failed the West and the United States of America. It's a failed
00:47:54.100
policy and it's left America behind. America is done exporting jobs and offshoring its future.
00:47:59.780
We'll no longer give in to globalisation. These are all very strong statements regarding how this
00:48:06.820
globalist world order has completely failed. And I'm not a fan of the globalist world order either.
00:48:13.300
It's just that this is interesting how this is all just being flat out said. Mark Carney, Prime
00:48:20.020
Minister of Canada, came out and said, American hegemony in particular helped provide public
00:48:25.300
goods, open sea lanes, stable financial system, collective security, but this bargain no longer
00:48:30.740
works. Let me be direct, we're in the midst of a rupture, not a transition. Recently great powers have
00:48:35.860
begun using economic integration as a weapon, tariffs as a leverage. And he goes on to talk about how the
00:48:41.700
globalisation and integration of these international economies has led to America being able to put the
00:48:50.420
boot on their neck through use of tariffs, through use of economic leverage. So perhaps this will split
00:48:58.180
things up. Perhaps, as you're suggesting, it will continue to push people into the arms of a China
00:49:04.020
that may potentially be a future international threat, but at the moment is presenting itself
00:49:09.380
as simply a benign trading partner. Well, there's multiple things going on here. The first of which
00:49:14.740
I think is actually a good thing in that it's probably good for Europe to be more independent, and I
00:49:20.580
very much welcome that. And even though it's not necessarily intentional by the Trump administration,
00:49:26.260
the fact that it's giving Europe basically a kick up the backside to do this is great. And I think it's
00:49:31.700
necessary for Europe to succeed, to be more self-sufficient. And at the minute, I think all China really
00:49:38.820
needs to do is not rub anyone the wrong way and continue trading with them to capitalise on the
00:49:45.220
US's losses here. We have Trump now speaking on the World Economic Forum, who says that Europe should
00:49:52.100
follow the US in putting a halt to mass migration and stop transferring its capabilities to the third
00:49:58.980
world countries. And he says that many cities in the West are now unrecognisable and not in a good
00:50:05.060
way. Yeah, but he... This is all just playing to... He was, he did, he did sabotage, perhaps unintentionally,
00:50:13.140
but he did, the people in Europe who are talking about this, precisely with his talk of invading
00:50:21.780
Greenland. And also, I don't think that when he's talking about mass migration, I think there is more
00:50:27.700
mass migration to the US than there is in Europe. And we do talk about Europe and about the problems
00:50:36.340
with mass migration in Europe, but it's not that he has, that the US doesn't face them and that he
00:50:43.140
has stopped facing them now one year into... The demographics in America are much less stable than
00:50:48.260
they are in Europe. And that's even with mass migration into Europe. Europe is still, most countries
00:50:54.100
within Europe are still well majority European countries. If you go to somewhere like California,
00:51:02.420
in America, you're basically in Mexico. You're, that's just, that's just that if you go to southern
00:51:08.580
Texas, you're basically in Mexico. That's how these demographics changes work. If you look at American
00:51:16.180
birth rates of the white versus non-white birth rates, some of those southern states and even some of the
00:51:22.020
ones going a little bit north up the western seaboard, the white birth rates are terrible.
00:51:28.580
They make up a vast, like a tiny minority of the overall births going on here. European birth rates
00:51:34.900
aren't great either, but we are still in a better position to remain European than America is to remain
00:51:41.460
a European descended nation. And what Trump is just appealing to there is rote populist talking points.
00:51:49.460
Ultimately, he can say all of that, but his actions outside of that speak louder than his words.
00:51:55.220
And what he is doing through all of this is further entrenching an elite class that don't agree with
00:52:01.620
him on those points. That actually present a threat to Europe remaining European going forwards.
00:52:08.980
And what I'm talking about here is like Larry Fink, the CEO of BlackRock, going up and saying that,
00:52:18.500
you know, there's an age of populism and deep institutional mistrust. We've lost all of the
00:52:24.660
trust in elites and we need to regain that trust. This is the opening. This is the opportunity for all of
00:52:32.500
these traitorous elites to regain that trust by again facing out towards a new foreign enemy on
00:52:41.220
both sides. Russia to the east, America to the west. You have Finland's president saying that again,
00:52:49.300
and I think this is a good thing that people are talking like this, that Europe can unequivocally
00:52:57.220
That's a factually correct statement as well in that, you know, they talk about the threat of
00:53:03.460
Russia, but compared to the entirety of Europe, that's not equivalent, right? It is absurd to
00:53:09.300
even suggest that. Even looking on just purely industrial capability and things like that,
00:53:15.300
all of Europe plus their trading partners, it's not comparable.
00:53:19.220
Not comparable. Germany has been speaking about what a mistake it was to get rid of some of its
00:53:24.100
nuclear plants. And it certainly was. And it absolutely was. In which case,
00:53:30.740
how long would it take Germany to put that infrastructure back in place?
00:53:34.500
I think. Quite a time, I think. Quite a time, unfortunately.
00:53:37.540
I think the current chancellor of Germany, Friedrich Mertz, did say that he is planning on revisiting
00:53:43.620
nuclear plants in Germany. The most common sense thing.
00:53:47.700
Yeah. It took him about 10 years to understand common sense.
00:53:51.140
Yeah. Deindustrialization and disarmament was a huge mistake, but it was all predicated,
00:53:59.540
it was all done under this now old new world order. And now we're moving into a completely different
00:54:06.900
There's a trend at a sort of domestic level that I've noticed that places that do particularly
00:54:14.260
well, cities and towns that tend to have opportunities for all of the different strata
00:54:20.980
of society and are economically prosperous for it, tend to have about 15 or so percent of their economy be
00:54:27.860
industry, which is very rare in the West these days, other than perhaps the United States,
00:54:32.900
which has been better at preserving it. But in Europe in particular, because we've deindustrialized,
00:54:37.780
we've lost this key part of our economy, which, you know, for the working classes, believe it or not,
00:54:44.660
they sort of need those jobs because not only are they opportunities for people to, you know,
00:54:50.980
go beyond themselves, but also they're very valuable to have in your country for defense.
00:54:57.780
And, but here's where it comes to reminding everybody that the people who are all saying
00:55:02.740
this aren't our friends in Europe, they're not friends of the European people or European values
00:55:09.380
or demographics or preserving any of those things. Because one of the announcements that was made
00:55:14.340
by Ursula von der Leyen, the head of the EU, was that the EU is on the cusp of making the mother
00:55:19.700
of all deals with India. And again, this is one of those things, well, we might not be able to trade
00:55:25.060
quite as securely with America as we could. India is a huge market, an enormous market.
00:55:31.620
So let's go over to them. But the thing is, with deals with India come little strings attached
00:55:38.340
that Modi likes to put in there, which is, well, India has a huge, huge excess population.
00:55:45.300
So we would like it if we could have some kind of exchange of labor as well.
00:55:50.980
So with trades with India comes also massive influx of Indian immigration.
00:56:00.740
So if we're further entrenching this, that's not great for anybody. That's not great for any of us.
00:56:07.860
And again, this is what we covered a little bit in your segment as well, but I just want to remind
00:56:12.980
everybody that this kind of belligerent rhetoric was one of the main movers of the liberals getting
00:56:20.180
reelected, despite the fact that the conservatives in Canada, who would have been better allies to
00:56:25.860
Trump as a northern neighbor, that's what led to them losing. And there's testimonies in this
00:56:32.340
article from people who were saying that, you know, I was a lifelong conservative voter in Canada,
00:56:38.180
but America saying that they were going to annex us, positioning ourselves as an enemy of Canada,
00:56:43.940
and themselves as an enemy of Canada, and Polivier positioning himself as a friend of MAGA,
00:56:50.260
therefore also enemy of Canada, meant that I voted liberal for the very first time in my life.
00:56:55.940
There's, there's like, there's like half a dozen.
00:56:58.180
And all of this was just to own the libs on Twitter.
00:57:01.140
Yeah, this says Polivier's campaign, during which he focused on small government and libertarian issues,
00:57:05.380
combined with dissatisfaction at the scandal, hit Prime Minister Justin Trudeau's handling of the
00:57:09.940
economy, uh, to see the conservatives move 24 points ahead of the liberals in January,
00:57:14.980
according to a poll tracker. But within a matter of weeks, everything changed. Trudeau announces
00:57:19.460
resignation, while Trump swept back to power in the U.S., threatening to use economic pressure to
00:57:23.860
annex Canada as a 51st state, before imposing sweeping 25% tariffs on goods from America's northern
00:57:29.940
neighbour, sparking outrage across the country, pushing them all into the arms of the liberals.
00:57:38.260
And, uh, this is one of the threats of European right-wing populist parties as well, like the AFD.
00:57:44.660
There are a number of articles all talking about how the AFD, for a while now, has had major support
00:57:50.500
from MAGA. JD Vance went and spoke about how great the AFD was, and all of the threats that
00:57:56.180
Germany faces from mass migration. There is a definite connection that the two parties have,
00:58:02.180
and this one's going back a few months. You've got multiple articles, German far-right courts Donald
00:58:07.700
Trump and MAGA in hunt for powerful friends, the MAGA war on European democracy, and then you start to see
00:58:14.580
the shift. The global populist right has a MAGA problem. Until you get to this recent article,
00:58:22.020
and you quoted the one from, um, what's-her-face, um, uh, from the unheard article in the last
00:58:29.380
segment. Here's another one by Maurice Frank. The AFD is losing patience with MAGA. They're having
00:58:35.380
to suddenly heel turn to switch around to flip their rhetoric because the comments about Greenland
00:58:41.540
in recent days suggest the duo have been following the latest polls. 72% of Germans consider the US
00:58:47.700
attack on Venezuela and Maduro's arrest unjustified. Only 12% feel Trump is doing a good job as president,
00:58:54.420
and an all-time low of 15% consider the US to be a trustworthy partner. The AFD enjoys the support
00:59:02.340
of a roughly, uh, quarter of voters, and now it doesn't want to alienate the German mainstream
00:59:07.540
by getting too close to a deeply unpopular president. So this puts everybody in a massive bind. The AFD
00:59:13.940
doesn't want to alienate their voters, but also they do have strong ties to MAGA, and presumably
00:59:19.540
also wouldn't want to alienate those ties to MAGA at the same time if they're still going to be the
00:59:24.660
government for the next three years in America. So this is just putting everybody in a difficult position,
00:59:32.020
and this is reforging the world order as it has existed for years at this point, and it is very
00:59:38.660
interesting to see where these, uh, where this all may fall as, uh, as the year progresses, particularly
00:59:44.020
when we get to the midterms and see how that affects MAGA as well. All right, I'll go through
00:59:50.020
the, uh, super chat. It's got quite a few again. Fleet, all details, examples I have heard so far
00:59:54.900
are excuses, noise. US wants full authority to operate in Greenland to keep them from keeping
00:59:58.900
infested by the CCP. Look, WTF happening in Canada. Well, partially what's happening in Canada is,
01:00:05.940
again, the fault of US rhetoric, pushing Mark Carney into the position that he's in,
01:00:12.260
and then pushing him to try and strengthen deals with China. This year's Davos theme is dialogue,
01:00:18.260
as in stop having dialogue, you effing plebs, and obey our dialogue. That's what it always is,
01:00:23.380
but now you're giving them, now you're giving them reason to present themselves as the good guys.
01:00:29.300
Luke's Saint 91 is going to be interested with them trying to say that they're protecting you from
01:00:34.820
without when everyone's pissed off with a problem that they let in and they're continuing to let to
01:00:39.940
faster. Yeah, absolutely true. And again, this presents a problem, potentially, we know how
01:00:46.420
censorious these people are as well. So if you're one of those, it's, it's dangerous if you're in
01:00:52.420
Europe and in Britain, if you have been somebody who has been overtly supportive, say, of MAGA,
01:00:59.220
potentially, if you're one of those people making jokes of, oh, you got Majuro, now let's get,
01:01:04.500
come over here and get Starmer. Like, if, if America presents itself as an enemy to all of these
01:01:10.180
states and these governments, what stops those governments from saying, like, well, I mean,
01:01:16.180
you're actively calling for a foreign coup of us right now, so we'll just sweep you up.
01:01:22.340
That's, that's, that's not necessarily exactly what's going to happen, who knows the chances,
01:01:28.100
but it is a potential. Luke, I think European right-wing parties could be fine, I see them
01:01:33.060
moving and constantly attacking the immigration problem, especially if you've got more crimes
01:01:36.500
keep happening, they just have to keep going. That is entirely possible. That is possible as well,
01:01:42.020
but it does create problems for some of them like the AFD who've cozied up. It gives them a, a,
01:01:47.940
the boost, and it, it boosts the image of the people we have right now in, in the EU who are
01:01:54.580
actually doing a very good job, very bad job. Yeah. Bass tape, stop defiling our language or
01:02:00.020
our black in your other eye, you down syndrome sounding frog. Cigarette, if you have something
01:02:06.900
to say to us, you write it down and have a Brit speak it out, revolting accent. I don't mind Frenchy
01:02:13.060
speaking English actually, I think it's quite pleasant. They have to swallow their pride to do it as well,
01:02:17.460
it's very rare to hear a French person speak English, so you've got to make the most of it.
01:02:21.780
It's like, ah, we, we know you can speak it. Yeah. They keep it very quiet, don't they? And Luke again,
01:02:27.460
yeah, maybe if we hadn't let China in we probably wouldn't have been in this problem because they
01:02:31.460
seem to be doing all this economic warfare for ages, it's about time we use that weapon. Yeah,
01:02:35.540
well part of the problem is as well that America de-industrialized massively and then shipped it all off to
01:02:39.780
China as well in a shocking, shocking episode of no foresight whatsoever. Should we help our main
01:02:48.580
geopolitical rival build up their manufacturing block? Yes.
01:02:52.500
I need mouse. Give me mouse. Squeak, squeak. That is the internal monologue of a cat right there.
01:03:00.020
Okay, I'm going to double check this works first. Yes, it does. Oh, lucky day. Look at that.
01:03:09.380
So this might sound like the stuff of science fiction, but it is not. Apparently police in
01:03:15.140
Britain are trialing the use of AI to predict future crime. And the Telegraph wrote about this,
01:03:22.820
so I was actually reading a newspaper on the train like I'm in the 19th century and I saw this story
01:03:27.780
and I couldn't believe it and I had to do some digging. And what I found was actually very,
01:03:32.900
very sinister. And not even in a hyperbolic way, in a sort of, wow, they're actually saying this out
01:03:39.620
loud sort of way. So police chiefs are currently evaluating around a hundred different projects
01:03:44.980
trialing the use of AI. And the government in Britain is looking to invest around four million
01:03:50.340
pounds in creating an interactive AI driven map of England and Wales by 2030 to stop criminals
01:03:57.460
before they commit their crimes. They're basically creating this map. I presume it operates like a
01:04:01.620
heat map where it will analyze data to show where crime is likely to happen so that the police can
01:04:08.820
get there before it happens to prevent it happening in the first place. And the examples given are
01:04:16.260
use official data to identify areas likely to see criminal activity. So that seems to support my
01:04:21.700
understanding of what this means. And also to spot early warning signs of antisocial behaviour,
01:04:27.300
which I think is interesting that they mention antisocial behaviour of all things, because
01:04:32.020
actually a lot of the time antisocial behaviour is pretty predictable. Normally it happens in,
01:04:36.340
say, city centres and areas with high alcohol consumption, or if there's a riot going on,
01:04:42.740
there's antisocial behaviour. A football game, and these are predictable things that
01:04:47.460
you can guess in advance without AI in the first place. Which makes me have a little suspicion,
01:04:53.380
which we'll be revisiting in a minute. So in an interview with The Telegraph, Sir Andy Marsh,
01:04:59.460
the head of the College of Policing, explained some of this, because The Telegraph seemed to be the
01:05:05.380
only ones on the money on this. And they said one of the key uses of the three uses they're thinking of
01:05:11.780
using AI in policing. Predictive analytics is one of them. And he's proposing to use technology to
01:05:18.340
identify the thousand most dangerous predatory men who pose the highest risk to women and girls in
01:05:24.260
England and Wales. Which, were it limited to monitoring basically what amounts to sex offenders,
01:05:31.060
by the sounds of it, I would be a little bit less concerned. But of course, this is the socially
01:05:37.220
acceptable face of a technology that no doubt, once it's implemented, will expand beyond this
01:05:44.260
application. And we all know it will, right? But similarly, I have pattern recognition
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abilities that allow me to pick out potential sex predators from a crowd. So where's my paycheck?
01:05:55.860
I know. Why aren't they employing us? We could do it for a fraction of the cost. You haven't been approved.
01:06:01.220
You can give me a quarter of that four million. For a million pounds, I will tell you all of my secrets.
01:06:08.100
I can show you all of my secret racist hate crime facts about all the patterns of criminals. And you'll
01:06:15.540
save lots of money. I, again, I always point this out, but I will bring to the Metropolitan Police's
01:06:21.300
attention the drill gang map. The interactive drill gang map that they post online. I know. They just post it
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online. It's that easy. So he says, the head of the College of Policing says,
01:06:36.580
we know the data and the case histories tell us that. Unfortunately, it's far from uncommon for
01:06:40.660
these individuals to move from one female victim to another. We understand all of the difficulties
01:06:45.220
bringing successful cases to bearing court. So he's basically saying they can monitor people who they
01:06:50.260
can't necessarily pin down and prosecute, which is why they're out in the first place. That's his
01:06:55.780
explanation. So what we want to do is use these predictive tools to take the battle to those
01:07:00.820
individuals that they are the ones who are frightened because the police are coming after
01:07:05.380
them and we're going to lock them up. And then they claim that it's going to make officers more efficient
01:07:11.060
with them spending less time form filling and doing bureaucratic work and more time bringing criminals
01:07:15.380
to justice. Although I can't see how AI predicting crime in the future does that other than the crime
01:07:21.060
doesn't take place and therefore they don't have to fill out the forms talking about it and reporting
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it internally. And then in this article, there was also something that I found probably the most
01:07:33.940
concerning of all that these moves are being headed up by Shabana Mahmood, the Labour Home Secretary.
01:07:40.900
And then she here says, when I was justice secretary, my ultimate vision for that part of the criminal
01:07:46.580
justice system was to achieve by means of AI and technology, what Jeremy Bentham tried to do with his
01:07:52.980
panopticon. That is, that the eyes of the state can be on you at all times. She literally said this out loud
01:08:01.540
publicly, that the eyes of the state will be on you at all times. Who thinks that this is just going to be limited
01:08:08.500
to those thousand most dangerous men and not the entire population at large? When you have the technology,
01:08:14.260
when you're implementing it, and there's the political incentive to do it, who's to say that
01:08:19.300
this isn't going to expand well beyond the original means? And I'm not a betting man, but I place pretty
01:08:25.620
much everything I own on the fact that it's not going to be limited in scope. And I'm sure you both
01:08:30.180
agree with me here. They're going to expand this once it's done its initial trials beyond these thousand
01:08:36.820
criminals to perhaps more criminals, then maybe to political dissidents, and then maybe to the whole
01:08:41.940
population at large. It's a total disaster. And it's the end of privacy. And what is interesting with
01:08:48.500
talking about privacy is that you start defending privacy on grounds that lots of people in the
01:08:56.980
culture reject. Because for instance, everyone will start saying, yeah, yeah, I want privacy. And I don't
01:09:04.420
like the panopticon. But then they will go out and say, no, it's bad individualism that is harming our
01:09:10.660
society and its individualism and liberalism and etc. Where if you are that that is a major problem
01:09:17.300
with it. Because if you don't treat privacy as a value on its own, as or and also as instrumental
01:09:25.620
to, you know, developing your own individuality, you have a you have a real trouble saying why you
01:09:33.220
I think also people who have a war on privacy have basically here a war on human nature,
01:09:38.020
because I don't think it's ideological or something we're taught necessarily that we want
01:09:42.900
a private life. I think it's something innate within us, a desire not to be surveilled and watched,
01:09:49.540
because it's an inherently unnerving thing even for non-human animals to be constantly under surveillance,
01:09:57.380
I think there's just an underlying logic for technology like this, which is once it exists,
01:10:03.460
the people who have control of it will just try and apply it to as much as possible.
01:10:09.860
It is exactly that. And what I wanted to actually look at is what is this panopticon? Because it
01:10:16.020
it speaks of a desire of the technocratic, bureaucratic, globalist elite, basically,
01:10:23.940
I think, this view of using technology to surveil people. So the panopticon, as I'm sure Stelios is
01:10:31.460
well aware of, originated with the English philosopher Jeremy Bentham in the 18th century,
01:10:36.020
and the concept basically allowed all prisoners within a prison to be observed by a single prison
01:10:42.260
officer without the inmates knowing whether or not they were being watched. And although it's
01:10:46.420
impossible for the guard to watch all of the prisoners' cells at once, the fact that the inmates
01:10:51.780
cannot know whether they're being watched motivates them to act as though they are being watched at
01:10:55.860
all times. So the fact that this is mentioned, and in the context of using technology to surveil people,
01:11:02.340
the implication here is that citizens will have to feel like they're under surveillance by the
01:11:08.740
state at all times because that will be the one way in which the government can control their behaviour.
01:11:15.140
And it's worth mentioning that these panopticons are not abstract, right? And in fact, here is one.
01:11:22.260
And the two countries in the world that actually built Bentham's panopticons for prisons was Cuba
01:11:30.020
in the 1920s and the Dutch. So well done for being the two most dystopian countries in this one
01:11:37.780
respect. Do they work? I presume so. I'm curious as to whether they achieve their intended effect.
01:11:45.220
I think they probably would, otherwise they wouldn't be using it as an analogy for technological expansion
01:11:51.300
and surveillance. But it feels a little bit dystopian here. This is the Dutch built three, one in
01:11:57.860
Haarlem, one in Breda and one in Arnhem. And weirdly enough, they're sort of dystopian side
01:12:04.900
direction here, a sort of tangent if you will. They've, in a sort of dystopian twist, one has
01:12:11.780
become an upmarket venue, this circular prison, because they were built in the late 19th century.
01:12:19.700
And you can see this has become weirdly dystopian in and of itself. One has become an office space
01:12:27.380
and one's become an escape room. I don't want to work in the office that's literally a panopticon.
01:12:34.020
But I think there's an analogy here. And the reason I've included it is that
01:12:38.820
this sort of encapsulates something that I think is an adaptation of the old timey
01:12:46.180
totalitarianism. It's not just prisons and dissidents now that were sort of viewed in the
01:12:52.180
past as the focus of this tyranny, but sort of everyone, isn't it? And the fact that it's
01:12:57.060
encompassing, you know, going to a bar or a restaurant in one, you've got an office space
01:13:03.940
in another, and then like entertainment in an escape room in the third. It's sort of symbolic
01:13:10.180
of the application of this sort of technology today in that it's going to be in all areas of life now.
01:13:16.500
And the fact that, you know, they're just like, here's a horrible totalitarian building. Let's convert
01:13:23.220
I think they're governed by voyeurists. Only a voyeurist would want this.
01:13:29.540
And here's the one in Cuba, by the way, which was not adapted, but you can see the sort of
01:13:35.460
idea of the structure where you've got the guard tower, where the one guard can be,
01:13:38.980
and then all the cells facing the middle. It does seem a bit dystopian, in my opinion.
01:13:47.780
Yeah, if only we'd put walls on the outside of the cells.
01:13:50.740
And just in case you weren't concerned enough, it's worth mentioning that Shabaman and Mahmood
01:13:58.740
said this panopticon thing in a conversation with Tony Blair at the Tony Blair Institute
01:14:08.740
He did. And it's interesting in the first place that there was this meeting going on,
01:14:14.420
and of course, Tony Blair being the sort of platonic ideal of a technocrat and a globalist.
01:14:21.380
I think he's the sort of quintessential one, isn't he? And following this meeting,
01:14:25.140
mysteriously enough, Tony Blair gave her the stamp of approval, which is interesting.
01:14:32.180
This came the day after they had that meeting, and she started talking about creating this AI
01:14:38.580
panopticon. And then I looked into this a little bit more, and thankfully, the government just
01:14:44.980
announces its evil things in statements, which is a good thing. We've still got this element
01:14:50.580
of Germanic honesty about us, just like, we're going to do this evil thing. Here's exactly how
01:14:54.660
we're going to do it with this evil outcome. And here you go.
01:14:57.620
And here's the timescale we're expecting as well.
01:14:59.700
Mm-hmm. And one thing that I noticed of this is in the bullet points here
01:15:06.660
was this. And maybe I'm reading into it a little bit too much, this part here.
01:15:13.860
the tool to be fully operational by 2030 with Britain's brightest minds backing
01:15:18.340
law-abiding majority over lawbreakers. So this framing I found interesting, particularly
01:15:25.460
law-abiding majority over lawbreakers, because it could signal one of two things, in my opinion.
01:15:32.260
Either they're trying to get the public angry about thinking about criminals, like, yeah,
01:15:36.180
this minority is ruining it for the rest of us, rather than thinking about surveillance. That's
01:15:40.180
possible. That is a sort of rhetorical thing. Or more sinisterly, again, it suggests that the future
01:15:47.460
scope might be to impose what is presented as the political desires of the democratic majority
01:15:52.180
upon dissidents. And it's a sort of accidental reveal of the hand here.
01:15:57.860
Because why would you frame it as that, the law-abiding majority?
01:16:03.220
That's a curious phrase to use about this sort of thing. And again, it could just be rhetorical to
01:16:09.220
try and get this through. But I think that there's enough incentives in place to apply
01:16:14.820
this to political opposition, that that phrase should be concerning to me. What do you guys think
01:16:19.700
of it? Do you think I'm right to be concerned here? Or is it just reading too much into it?
01:16:23.620
I think the rest of it is concerning enough by itself to worry so much about the specific
01:16:29.300
wording of one sentence. I think the rest of it speaks.
01:16:34.260
Yeah? What do you think? I think, I mean, I wouldn't pay so much attention at the
01:16:40.340
law-abiding majority of lawbreakers personally. But I think I agree with Harry. I think that
01:16:46.100
it's correct. And it is disturbing because there is a very split, let's say, very
01:16:53.060
dual approach that the left has with the crime. It's either you go full prevent
01:16:59.780
or like, you know, or just, it's constantly an issue of how they have been, the criminal
01:17:06.020
has been acculturated and if they are, they belong to a minority group or something. And
01:17:12.900
Always society's help. Always society's fault. Or they go full, you know, full like this,
01:17:19.140
just punitive on everything. You're watching everything you go. Just, they're completely
01:17:26.660
Well, I think there are different factions of the left. The more radical left, I think,
01:17:30.980
are also concerned about this sort of thing. And actually, the surveillance state is something
01:17:35.780
that... They're concerned they aren't in control of it, but they will definitely use it, especially
01:17:41.060
I don't think they're coming at it from quite the same moral position. They see themselves,
01:17:44.740
they're more concerned about, well, we're going to be surveilled as well. And you do see them
01:17:48.180
talking about this sort of thing because it is the less radical left wing, but more technocratic
01:17:54.820
globalists that are more in favor of this, I think. And they're the faction that are pushing this,
01:18:02.020
which I think is why Blair is involved and why he's giving a stamp of approval to Mahmood,
01:18:07.220
who's probably affiliated with many similar circles to Blair himself. And we can see the implications of
01:18:15.140
this already, this sort of philosophy. So part of Mahmood's approach is that there are going to be
01:18:22.420
live facial recognition cameras planned for every town centre, which is concerning. And all prisoners
01:18:31.860
that were released early, of course, there's this scandal about Labour releasing lots of prisoners early,
01:18:36.740
and there were ones that also went on to commit crimes again. But what didn't get the same
01:18:41.220
attention was that all of them were tagged. And this obsession with tagging people and being
01:18:46.900
able to monitor where they're going, the basic philosophy here is that it's a sort of secondary
01:18:52.100
prison. That's how it was actually framed as the justification for this. But tie all of this
01:18:58.660
together and what you've got is an AI system that has access to facial recognition data from all the
01:19:07.380
town centres. All the wrongdoers are constantly surveilled. AI is then also predicting people who have
01:19:15.060
committed crime or even, you know, eventually people who are political dissidents who have never broken a
01:19:20.660
law. And it can estimate when they're going to do something based on data. And I'd imagine that
01:19:28.660
you know, these estimates would at least sometimes be accurate as well.
01:19:32.820
So it creates this interesting scenario whereby the philosophy of the state is now to surveil people
01:19:40.180
as much as possible to prevent them from behaving in ways in which the government doesn't approve
01:19:46.100
fundamentally. And I think that it is going to go more and more that direction with this sort of
01:19:50.420
technology. And it's something to be concerned about. And I think that not nearly enough attention has
01:19:55.220
been brought upon it. And that it's something that people should push back on.
01:20:05.060
Sure. Luke says it is like how they try and use AI with medicine, and it became too racist for them.
01:20:13.700
I don't see it going far, especially when the AI keeps pointing at certain communities that have
01:20:18.100
a grooming problem. But here's the thing, because it's AI, they don't have to reveal any of the workings.
01:20:24.020
It can be a sort of, you know, a sort of mysterious box that comes out with outputs that the police act
01:20:32.740
on. But because it's the AI making the predictions, then they don't have to show it publicly. It can be
01:20:39.460
saying, listen, you need to be monitoring black people. And the police can take that and interpret
01:20:45.940
it however they want. And it doesn't have to be broadcast. It's all internal, right? And so even if the AI is
01:20:54.820
noticing the same patterns that, you know, right wingers are noticing, it doesn't necessarily mean that
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they're going to shut it down and ignore it. And in fact, they can have that data and choose to overlook
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it quite comfortably, because it won't be public in the first place.
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Sigil Stone says, implement the pedofinder AI immediately have it to shut down. I can't say that.
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Right. Okay, let's go to the comments. Let me see if we have any honorable. No, right. Okay.
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Okay, so Sophie Liv, I actually think this is very simple. Denmark just doesn't have the resources to defend
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Greenland. America has pretty much been the Greenland defense since the Second World War,
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their bases, their soldiers, their equipment. And yet, despite being the ones defending Greenland,
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they don't get to reap the benefits of it. And Trump is done with American charity like that. I
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really think it's that simple. If they're going to spend resources defending it, Trump think they
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should own it. Right. So, Sophie, I think there's a simple response to it. Greenland does have
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resources. And the people from Greenland have said, and the Danes are interested in doing business
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with people who want to mine these resources, including the Americans. Right. Okay. George Happ,
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the acquisition of Greenland is a reminder that the US is a geopolitical enemy of Europe. The
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dunderheads in charge need to realize this and start playing realpolitik instead of a toothless
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bureaucracy. Stop. The suicidal empathy of accepting the world's garbage would be a good
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first step. People don't use the term dunderhead enough. I very much appreciate it. I'm quite upset
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that midwit replaced dimwit because I think dimwit's actually much better. It sounds more aristocratic,
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doesn't it? Yes. Get over here, you dimwit. Why are you being so dimwitted? Terra Toddler,
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I don't get it. America is NATO. Just give them the bloody island and move on. If America pulls
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out of NATO, then NATO is basically dead. I don't want NATO to exist. So that's good. But also,
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as I showed you during the end of the segment, the idea that Europeans aren't paying for NATO is
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complete bullshit. Right. Roman observer reading some tweets from the MAGA crowd turned neocon. I'm
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under the impression they're suffering from the opposite of TDS, the infamous Biden whiplash
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syndrome. Everything Trump or administration do is perfect. USA policies were always the correct
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ones. All the international crisis were caused by the Europeans and so on. Roman observer, I think it's
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another form of TDS. It's Trump defecation syndrome. It's derangement and defecation. Yep,
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that's it. You're correct. Arizona desert rat. It would be nice to get the rare earth minerals
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from somewhere besides China and Africa. And I hate tariffs. Also, I think Ukraine has lots of
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rare earth minerals. Yes, but all basically in the oblasts. Last time I checked. Yeah, it's funny why
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all of a sudden they're very keen to continue the war when they did the minerals deal and realized all
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the minerals are in the parts that Russia controls. Lord Inquisitor Hector Rex. Apparently the last
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island that Denmark sold to the US was Little St. James. I've heard that as well. And I've seen it
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fact checked. That is true. Jimbo G. Trump's like we need a bigger one. Super Epstein. Oh no. Jimbo G.
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Super Epstein. Trump winning so much has ultimately become cursed. The endless threats
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of tariffs. The Greenland posturing. I'm so over it and it only seems to be making European leaders
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circle their wagons to double down on their WEF agenda for us. Yep, that's what it does. It's
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handing them a tremendous boost in image. In the same way it did it for Mark Carney in Canada.
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Asperger's and Fry's. A meme war alongside diplomatic tensions. Wow, you're telling me that in several
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decades I'm going to open my kids history textbook into the section about chaos of the 2020s and
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I'll find an early AI generated Trump Greenland meme. This is somehow the most depressing and the
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funniest timeline. One thing he posted on his Truth Social account himself. It's just the whole
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own the libs thing. It works on Twitter. It works on X. It works, you know, in the media, but it works
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until it doesn't. And there's a time where constant trolling makes one a buffoon. And when you have a
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leader, you have to take their words seriously. There's room for bluffing, but you have to be
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able to take their words seriously. And John V says, good morning, Stelios, Josh and Harry. Trump showing
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his great statesmanship as usual. LOL. And eight wars. Maybe stop seven. But India defected Pakistan on
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their own. Jokes aside, this is definitely not a good look. I've got a good idea for India, actually.
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India should just, like, catapult in small child-sized scarecrows into Pakistan. And all
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the Pakistanis will swarm towards them and be distracted. And then they strike. Just an idea.
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If you need a consultant... Josh has lots of plans for aggression against Pakistan.
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You show the nuclear power part, you know. Do you want me to read your...
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I don't have a mouse, so I can't scroll. Great. Okay. So, Michael Dribelbis. Hi, Michael.
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The biggest issue with Trump is that he's a blowhard. His braggadocio is off-putting and
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alienates friends and foes alike. While that may work in business and negotiations, government is in
01:26:40.820
business and hurt feelings are more meaningful in diplomatic situations than in business. In business,
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they may hate you. But if you can make a profit, it doesn't matter. The Eurocrats have a vested
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interest in not dealing with Trump. I will say there's no... It's not also just an issue of
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Eurocrats and Trump. It's also an issue of, you know, pro-US people in Europe. It's just...
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He doesn't have to just shit on us. Yeah, I mean, yeah, you are making life way more hard,
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difficult for pro-US people within Europe. And also, yeah, this isn't business because, like,
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yeah, you're supposed to make money for the shareholders or whatever, but you don't get
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voted in by those people for the most part. What happens in this situation is that you're
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accountable to your electorate if you're in a democratic system. So all of them having their
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feelings hurt by it as well, that forces you into action.
01:27:44.580
A Frenchman trying to make a capitalist appeal to investment by calling it predictable and stable
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is a little show. It's like calling the average French worker unrushed. I'm sorry,
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I've never met a French person with a noun of work ethic, akin to anything remotely Protestant.
01:27:59.860
Is New York country revolting on a monthly basis because it can't
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balance its social benefits budget? Well, they are a primarily Catholic country,
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so it makes sense. They also have a very all-encompassing welfare state,
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so they've got a worse situation than many other European countries.
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He says it doesn't actually matter how Europeans take it. The thing that matters is that it's going
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to work. Nobody cares if you think it's rude or if you think Trump is a blowhard.
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I mean, if you say so, but I think if America alienates itself from all of its allies in the
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Western Bloc, then it might have a very rude awakening that actually having allies is a good
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thing. Yeah, it's not going to work. It doesn't seem to be working in Canada, so it's not working.
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Yeah, especially if all of those then-former allies go and align themselves with your main
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geopolitical rival. Anonyme, European SLIBS are 100% going to take control of patriotism.
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Labour were putting up flags in their videos. When people were putting up flags,
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it's not hard to co-opt it. All you need is the boomers to vote for you,
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and if you say the right things, people think it's patriotic and it harkens to World War II.
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Yeah, that's the problem, is that you are ceding the ground of patriotism to
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Eurocrats who hate Europe, or at least what Europe was.
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AI predicting crime before it happens was what started Marvel Comics Civil War II.
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That didn't go well for anyone involved. And Omar Awad, you, the pleb, having privacy is a
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national security risk. I, the enlightened MP elite, being monitored is a national security risk.
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I must have privacy, learning the difference. I hope they'll all live long enough to find out
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that digital panopticon is an infinite hall of mirrors.
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Right. Okay. So we come to, we came to an end. Do join us for the round table with,
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with Dan and Carl. It's going to be Harry and myself. We're going to talk about Greenland
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and the, the whole context about it. Right. So if we don't see you there, see you tomorrow at 1pm.