The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1341

00:00:00.000 good afternoon ladies and gentlemen welcome to the podcast the low seats for tuesday the 27th

00:00:04.000 of jan 2026 i'm joined by nate and beau and now i've just read the date man it's been a long

00:00:09.280 january hasn't it seems like a lot has happened it was still in january until the end of the week

00:00:14.580 so you know let's see what happens today anyway today we're going to be talking about uh how the

00:00:19.420 tory's just bleeding out man this is actually kind of great to watch you know premier outlet

00:00:24.620 of the zero seats campaign we're very pleased to see the tory's just literally laying on a

00:00:29.780 park bench in a winter snow with an unstaunchable wound just laying up at the sky and just looking

00:00:36.500 at the stars and just wondering where it all went wrong are we not yeah i think we are i am it's a

00:00:41.620 great image yeah exactly love it and they deserve everything they get they deserve it they completely

00:00:47.240 deserve it um we're going to be talking about how the media has discovered the amelia meme

00:00:51.180 and they're not happy uh which again just it's a good day right it's a good day and then we're

00:00:56.980 going to be talking about what so another ornelian nightmare jesus christ this country we have an

00:01:02.140 update on it all yeah well you know so things going in the right direction we're just uh nowhere near

00:01:06.720 them yet but uh anyway let's let's let's begin all right we need to talk about we need to have a

00:01:13.600 conversation about suella braverman do we i love it when people frame it that way we need to talk

00:01:18.960 about this as if you're in trouble with your mum yeah house meeting yeah house meeting we need to

00:01:26.420 talk about the braverman question um okay so the news was yesterday that she has sort of formally

00:01:33.560 defected to reform and uh it's not really a surprise that one particularly is it because you

00:01:38.380 know her her old man a fella has been reformed for a while she's been openly unhappy with the

00:01:44.060 ever since her time in government so it's not much of a surprise i i suspected this would happen at

00:01:50.800 some point i think i know it's happened i think a lot of people are like oh i thought she was in

00:01:54.860 reform right yeah already yeah yeah yeah so so a few of the headlines braverman accuses tories of

00:02:01.340 betrayal as she defects to reform what the betrayal you were a massive part of love yeah what talking

00:02:06.580 about who betrayed who yeah tories betrayed you you betrayed tories you all of you betrayed us

00:02:12.600 which one i mean she's not wrong that there's a lot of betrayal involved right there's definitely

00:02:16.440 a betrayal here yeah i'm not i'm not i'm not sold on it anyone who doesn't recall on it she was the

00:02:23.520 home secretary from late 2022 to late 2023 under rishi sunak under yeah well very very briefly wasn't

00:02:30.680 it under boris and then and then she and then but anyway basically mostly under rishi sunak yeah yeah

00:02:35.300 um so yeah one of the worst times for us being invaded yeah um boris began the boris wave sunak carried

00:02:44.220 it on 250 000 indians in a year under sunak you feel enriched what are the odds though what are the

00:02:52.100 odds first is it yeah prime minister of britain he brings up 250 000 indians that's crazy you haven't

00:02:58.460 noticed a pattern if you can't i mean i just think if if i would if i saw he's not english was

00:03:03.560 installed by the bank of paraguay right as the prime minister of paraguay the president of paraguay

00:03:10.620 and all of a sudden i was like okay a quarter of a million english every year

00:03:14.740 they'd be like what but you want what are you doing this is this is you helping out the people who

00:03:22.300 are like you at our expense why are you doing this you know and for some reason that's just out of

00:03:26.800 bounds to talk about it'd be racist wouldn't it to to notice much less say anything about it and if

00:03:32.920 i came out i was like yeah but you understand we need the top talent but what are you saying that

00:03:36.820 indians are better than english people english people are better than paraguayans and i'd be 1.00

00:03:39.620 like oh i mean that's the only way you can interpret that like i'm literally saying i have to bring them

00:03:45.640 here because you're terribly ill jobs you know what are you talking about anyway start celebrating

00:03:49.460 saint george's day yes in paraguay saint george's day in the paraguayan um presidential palace

00:03:55.580 yeah like it'd be a bit like you'd be like okay don't think this integration thing's going as

00:04:00.200 well as we thought it was paraguayans notice it and aren't happy and they're all racist accuse them

00:04:05.600 of being racist it's anglophobes let's hear what uh she herself said just a little clip 0.99

00:04:11.360 i believe that a better britain is possible and because i believe that is possible today

00:04:20.100 i'm announcing that i resign the conservative whip

00:04:24.920 oh don't be mean

00:04:31.120 of course people have got to cheer for that

00:04:33.940 they're a reform conference of course

00:04:38.120 that's like it's genuinely like a load of her shoulders

00:04:44.700 done it done it

00:04:46.340 i resign the conservative whip and my party membership a party membership of 30 years

00:04:53.020 it's gone it's over today

00:04:54.780 and because i believe with my heart and soul that a better future is possible for us

00:05:00.880 i am joining reform uk

00:05:03.600 reform song

00:05:07.700 because it's all about you

00:05:08.660 i think that's enough indian jokes 0.98

00:05:11.360 so let's have a quick look at the headlines what various outlets and organs said breverman's

00:05:17.240 predictable defection is farage's biggest political gamble yet i don't know about that

00:05:22.060 no she's a really safe one

00:05:24.520 yes relatively so if he's looking for if what's going on in nigel's mind his calculation is that

00:05:29.880 he just really wants household name recognition figures then it's not a gamble at all it's exactly what he wants

00:05:36.580 yeah

00:05:36.760 it's no that's what if that's what's going on in nigel's mind

00:05:39.700 we know i mean that that's a fair point but do we know how much of a household name

00:05:42.940 breverman is because there was some polling to indicate generic is

00:05:47.220 essentially unknown to the household names

00:05:50.460 really yeah yeah so i didn't see that

00:05:52.920 more than half people have never heard of it

00:05:54.620 basically no one knows who he is so your your point's

00:05:56.980 perfectly valid but

00:05:58.660 does it play out in reality let me check you gov's fame and popularity

00:06:03.080 i think she uh surely she's more famous more well known as a household name than 1.00

00:06:07.640 generic because being actual home secretary

00:06:09.640 being twice sacked maybe

00:06:11.160 right so 77 77 percent of people according to you gov know who she is

00:06:15.880 oh okay okay

00:06:16.460 that's a lot isn't it that's a lot

00:06:17.960 yeah that's household name territory i'd say

00:06:20.040 46 percent of them dislike her

00:06:21.980 oh

00:06:22.640 well so that's the thing isn't it

00:06:24.040 it's like having that nadeem guy or her

00:06:26.700 it's all very well to have a household name in your ranks but

00:06:29.120 what if they're despised though

00:06:30.660 but nigel is worse 1.00

00:06:31.800 63 percent of people dislike nigel

00:06:34.100 is that right

00:06:34.420 yeah it is

00:06:35.020 only 14 percent of them actually say that they like her and then another 15 percent are like neutral on her

00:06:39.800 oh interesting

00:06:40.700 so it's it's like i mean i don't think she's like dead weight or anything

00:06:46.700 no

00:06:47.160 and i think i so i'm actually i'm actually more more more kind to sweller i i think that nadeem zahawi is dead weight

00:06:53.660 i would agree with you there

00:06:55.000 why why would you take him

00:06:56.380 like but i i think sweller is actually

00:06:58.520 the better of those tories who were in government during this period

00:07:03.420 right okay well let's get into that

00:07:05.680 that was the bulk of the the the segment of the take is that i'm of the mind

00:07:11.420 i'm of the mind

00:07:13.120 i know i watched the morning show that she's if anyone watched breakfast with beau this morning

00:07:17.000 you would have seen already know my take

00:07:19.240 um that i consider her among the worst traitors if there's a cabal of traitors that ruined the country 1.00

00:07:25.520 people like from david cameron through boris

00:07:29.180 and rishi and james cleverly and pretty patel and on and on and on all those

00:07:33.200 she's just in my mind she's just in that cadre she's just one of them

00:07:36.920 yeah and it's kind of gaslighting or it's kind of like a media spin thing to try and make out that she 0.97

00:07:42.860 isn't i just don't buy it

00:07:45.540 so the she there's a there's an easy comparison to make between her and say pretty patel right 1.00

00:07:50.600 and pretty patel would put on a good face talk a good game and made everyone think oh wow she's 1.00

00:07:56.240 really hard right glad she's home secretary and then it was pretty patel under boris who starts

00:08:01.160 cranking open the floodgates right and isn't apologetic for it sort of throw that out there

00:08:06.020 which is mad yeah and and stands by it which is like okay that is mental swella braveman is basically

00:08:12.200 the other side so swella braveman actually if you listen to the way she talks she doesn't come 0.99

00:08:17.060 across as like being a hardline boss bitch or something like pretty patel but actually when you 1.00

00:08:21.720 when you interrogate her opinions they are really quite far right i mean she wrote a telegraph article

00:08:26.960 like a year ago now saying look i'm not english i can't be english yes you know rishi sunak's not

00:08:30.820 english you know you you can't just change your ethnicity and moreover um she at the natcon speech

00:08:38.240 in 2023 so a good couple of years before this has happened uh she did basically go off the 0.99

00:08:44.000 reservation and say it's rishi sunak he wouldn't let me do anything i'm a lawyer i could and in this

00:08:48.380 speech says i could have got rid of this law this law and this law and this would have meant we could

00:08:51.760 actually have done it but rishi said no and shut me down at every point and when she's delivering

00:08:55.760 this on the stage it felt like you said it looked like she'd been freed from something right she

00:09:00.360 genuinely had this kind of like uplifted attitude of i'm just gonna say it screw it i don't care what

00:09:05.140 happens right and so i do and i do think that she is actually very right wing and i do think she 1.00

00:09:13.040 actually didn't want to do the things that sunak's government did i actually do believe her on this

00:09:17.760 um i don't well you don't i don't i feel like i feel like that's red meat i feel like her media team

00:09:23.540 around her said cynically said you say these things throw out red meat to the right of the 0.99

00:09:28.460 toy party all those things i don't she she's she's been on this she's been on the right of the

00:09:33.180 toy party for a very long time which isn't very right though is it well i mean you know it's as

00:09:37.880 right as you're gonna get right so in in the current environment so but the point is she and you know

00:09:43.080 when it came down to the question of ethnicity she came down on the right side of it you know she's

00:09:47.840 she's always she's always coming down on the correct side of these issues and for considering

00:09:53.480 the sort of milieu she's ensconced in that's actually better than you'd expect so i i'm more

00:09:58.840 charitable to her than than you are for what that's worth and in my opinion isn't worth anything

00:10:03.220 well i'm because because the sorry just for this because the final in the final reckoning

00:10:08.200 she was at the helm at the home office when we was invaded by millions of people yeah but she 0.68

00:10:14.660 she didn't open the floodgates right she was and in her telling of it she's like well i was trying

00:10:19.680 to get it down i was trying to rishi would just literally i'd get in the cabinet meetings i sit

00:10:24.180 and go like rishi i need to do this and he would be like no so and then she ends up resigning so you

00:10:29.800 know i'm not saying that she's perfect or anything like that and you know a lot of your points are i think

00:10:35.060 are valid but i'm less angry with sweller braveman than i am with boris johnson than i am with rishi

00:10:41.520 sunak than i am with priti patel than i am with robert jenrich actually you know she's done less

00:10:47.540 damage than jenrich has

00:10:48.720 jenrich smuggled in tens of thousands of afghans under the cover of night and put a bloody legal 1.00

00:10:57.920 injunction against reporting on it as well as being the immigration minister during the boris wave

00:11:03.440 like she has got a plausible argument i know i was trying to stop this right she's got a plausible

00:11:09.180 argument for that jenrich used to be an open borders lib she wasn't so i'm just saying i'm

00:11:15.200 not saying that you know she's not culpable she is definitely culpable she was in the thing but i

00:11:19.600 think she does have a narrative here that argues now i was trying to get it sorted and that she has

00:11:25.220 been consistent on this for a couple of years now so go on mate well so i mean i would agree

00:11:30.140 i can't argue with those points right can't argue with those points but

00:11:34.120 that there's a few sort of like you know sort of asterisks there and asterisks there like i mean

00:11:40.100 i would say i agree with what you're you're suggesting beau is that um a member of her team

00:11:45.780 has probably been quite savvy and suggested yeah like this is this is where we need to go now

00:11:50.400 you know this is where we need to go because you're right like she has been up for a good few

00:11:54.440 years she's been saying these things she's doing the rounds on all these podcasts i've watched her

00:11:58.100 on these podcasts and she does she says the right things and she's quite amenable she's quite

00:12:02.160 likable like yeah yeah she's she's yeah she's she's not someone she was quite nice yeah she's

00:12:08.340 not offensive you know but she says the right things but it all that's kind of besides the

00:12:14.560 point really you know it's all well and good saying these things it's all well and good doing these

00:12:19.340 positioning yourself as this right wing uh individual but and and as you said i mean yeah

00:12:24.720 the right wing of the conservatum what does that mean i mean geez like they are they are as milk

00:12:29.200 toast i mean they're basically they are basically labor in the blair years so they're not they're

00:12:33.940 not right wing you know so her being right wing of them is like well that's i mean small win i guess 0.62

00:12:40.940 best you're gonna get in the current parliament right i know but we should i i always gotta live

00:12:46.600 by your standards and so i look at that and i go well that's that's pathetic i i say that's weak 0.56

00:12:51.840 that's weak source you know yeah you might be right wing of the conservatives but you are pathetic

00:12:55.940 you're weak and your opinions are not uh they're not aligned for the current political climate

00:13:01.900 sure but i think i think that the the environment that they're in circumscribes the positions that

00:13:08.640 they can even conceive of yeah i guess i mean but but then also it's like how much damage are you

00:13:13.240 going to do to reform now because i've watched your sit downs with with dan and they're very very good

00:13:18.220 but one point that you've made consistently which i wonder and i've said it before now obviously on a

00:13:24.020 podcast with you so i do wonder how you can chalk this up now is that nigel did have doesn't anymore 0.99

00:13:30.340 did have the best possible avenue to change everything because he was going to have a

00:13:35.100 parliament of newbies they're all under his wig well they're not now are they no well and so and and

00:13:41.180 and i i agreed with your point i thought that was brilliant absolutely great salient point

00:13:45.880 but now you've got factions the the problem that yeah now you've got yeah yeah no no i think you're

00:13:51.560 right but the problem that nigel is also facing is having a government of newbies also means a 0.99

00:13:56.360 government this is the argument he's making to take in all these tories government of inexperienced

00:14:00.320 people who don't know how uh whitehall works right and so he is saying if you know basically think of

00:14:08.400 the first trump administration they went in accomplished nothing because of this massive

00:14:12.260 institutional resistance they didn't know how to overcome and farage has made the argument that

00:14:16.940 that's why they're doing this now i'm not saying it's persuasive frankly i would rather it if they

00:14:22.380 just went in as government of newbies and just passed legislation that just essentially destroyed

00:14:28.180 whatever came before right so it's like oh we would have to wrangle well i'll fire them i'll literally

00:14:32.560 dissolve the legislation get rid of that but he does stuff well we'll figure out what he did and then

00:14:36.500 we'll create it anew you know i would rather they go in like root and branch like that but i don't

00:14:41.000 think farage isn't that so i agree with what you're saying is is on the the sort of visage you

00:14:46.720 know the veneer of what he's doing is suggesting we need experienced people because we need to

00:14:50.960 understand how things work but that to me is is that entire statement is predicated on him still

00:14:56.400 playing by the previous administration's rules and we're not we're not america you know parliament

00:15:02.380 is fully sovereign he could completely sack everyone in whitehall tomorrow if he wanted to if

00:15:07.420 he was prime minister and so this to me is actually worse uh than the previous um statements he was

00:15:14.640 making where he was going to get businessmen in to manage business and you know health people to

00:15:18.740 manage health i thought that sounds like a good idea that made sense you know why are you going to

00:15:22.000 have a fat minister to talk about health and it's just it's absolute nonsense you're talking about

00:15:26.180 someone who's not an economist to talk about the economy and this is just insane um so him now

00:15:31.780 positioning himself as well we need experienced people it's like yeah if you're going to play by the

00:15:35.960 by the current status quo that's bad moreover okay there have to be like when when during brexit the

00:15:44.880 civil service was 95 remain right 95 that five percent must be like nige you're mr brexit we would 0.96

00:15:56.660 love to advise you hire us as advisors and we will tell you who the hell needs to go yeah and trust us

00:16:03.400 we're going to slash the hell out of this thing like does it have to be former conservatives could

00:16:08.240 he not actually take those sort of oppressed brexiteers in the civil service i mean i don't

00:16:12.880 know you know who knows but the thing about the civil service is they the so-called five wise men

00:16:16.960 what is it the cabinet office foreign office home office defense and what's the other one i can't

00:16:21.840 remember but they're like the permanent secretaries of those things i hate the fact there's permanent

00:16:26.040 secretaries and yeah civil uh just fire all of them yeah day one if you have to pass a piece of

00:16:32.040 legislation to do that so be it so just a quick thing i watched um who's dominic cummings's podcast

00:16:37.720 about this with the spectator and he was saying basically the problem is them they're not directly

00:16:42.460 accountable to the ministers anymore yeah in previous eras it would have been like you know

00:16:47.040 churchill would have gone in and be like right you're my you're my lackey you're my squib or whatever

00:16:51.140 you do as exactly i say but now they're essentially above the ministers and kind of contain the ministers

00:16:56.240 by the way that blair restructured things so cummings was saying look you have to just go in

00:17:00.800 and make everything directly accountable to a minister again so you just literally get entire

00:17:04.640 areas of the quangocracy and say right this minister of the dictator of this quango and this area now 0.91

00:17:10.340 so if and if he wants to just point at you and fire you because he doesn't like the look of your face

00:17:14.100 then he can you know that's the kind of dictatorial power ministers should have over these other areas

00:17:19.160 governments because we can actually get rid of ministers like as the people we can replace a

00:17:24.460 minister by voting them out and this is something that's going to happen at the next election by the way

00:17:29.160 the labor front bench is going to all lose their seats sorry i'd like to address the angle good news

00:17:35.160 really i'd like to address the angle of breverman uh which you've said uh that her defenders saying

00:17:41.160 that she was trying to do the right thing and was simply hamstrung by rishi um that doesn't hold much

00:17:47.920 weight with me because she was in that position for like a year yeah and you get loads more money for 1.00

00:17:56.660 being secretary of state you get like you get the fleet of cars you get like access to the various

00:18:02.920 mansions you get treated like royalty westminster royalty the the it's a massive it'd be a massive

00:18:08.100 ego boost wouldn't it that the the media are hanging on your everywhere da da da da da da but yet she would 1.00

00:18:14.440 have known very very quickly maybe even day one but within a few days or a few weeks that she was

00:18:18.860 going to be ham hamstrung by rishi and yet she stayed there for a year that doesn't add up to me

00:18:26.580 and the idea that she's better off in the inside how is it better how is it better so stand on you

00:18:31.700 better off for a bank yeah right better off for her and her career i mean yeah if if i was in this

00:18:37.480 position i wouldn't just leave i would do everything that i could from the position because i mean

00:18:42.420 ultimately that's the cockpit of power you you may be being constrained by rishi but you might be able

00:18:47.620 to do something right so it seems like it is better to be in that position and be frustrated

00:18:53.300 with it because there may be an avenue for change than not be in that position right so i'm not saying

00:18:59.600 that you're wrong obviously but conversely there is a more charitable interpretation which is

00:19:05.720 well i'm here why would i just quit because then i can't do anything right so there is there is a

00:19:11.740 rationale to it but on the other side of course you are of course correct that you are suddenly

00:19:15.320 richish political royalty and you get all of these benefits so but i i feel not inclined to

00:19:22.120 be cynical towards sweller over this um i would be cynical with a lot of other politicians like

00:19:28.360 everyone in the labor front kia starmer i think is very taken in by this um but she's made so much

00:19:35.480 noise and has done consistently for so many years now from basically the most right-wing position you

00:19:40.920 can expect in the way that parliament works now but i'm actually more inclined to take a word for

00:19:46.200 it well i would say just no you don't have to no no i can't i've searched my soul and i cannot

00:19:52.680 well i i would say i don't i actually don't i'm not bought in by that because what she's got what

00:19:57.800 she got to lose after the last election you know what does she got to lose now about saying these

00:20:02.620 things nothing she knows that the tory party is dead she knows okay it's a calculate to me it's a

00:20:07.040 calculus right calculated statement of hang on hang on let me sorry to interrupt you but i i've been

00:20:12.260 preparing for all of them on my dan and uh dan's political chats with me and uh i was looking up

00:20:18.020 actually both her and generic are set to lose their seats to the tories what their seats are the tory 0.73

00:20:26.840 stronghold seats and so what's the point in it don't get me wrong well yes right it is marginal

00:20:35.120 right but like uh it's something like 40 and 46 percent tory and then like 37 34 percent reform

00:20:42.100 so it is a massive reform percentage but these are very homogenous shire tory right right you know

00:20:48.740 white english um constituencies that they have and actually it might be that they don't just bring all

00:20:56.180 of their constituents along with them and so nigel frage might have found himself a couple of duds

00:21:02.420 maybe which is a possibility just i mean call me cynical i just i just can't i don't trust her

00:21:09.520 i don't trust her i don't i don't i don't buy it i don't i feel like it's all just a political

00:21:16.260 um like a spin see that's how i feel about gemrick like that's i feel a lot more about gemrick than i do

00:21:23.900 about sweller because like gemrick has been all over the place and he was like proudly oh yeah i brought

00:21:28.580 in 30 000 afghans whatever and all this sort of stuff we we got you know a million people in a

00:21:33.000 year but gemrick was proud of his immigration record but all of them were bad i mean nadim 0.94

00:21:37.100 zahawi was like yeah somalia is basically entirely funded by remittances that's brilliant it's like

00:21:42.740 you what yeah you're mental but that's what i mean like it by comparison sweller braveman has been

00:21:50.500 was a brexiteer she's always been a bit f natty and now she's the one who came out you know a couple 0.65

00:21:56.320 years ago she was like no no this is all terrible and i hate it um and then she came up being like 0.58

00:22:00.640 no i'm not english and you know neither is like rishi sennacher whoever you know only english people

00:22:04.740 are english and now she's here and it's like this she's been consistent on being right wing and coming

00:22:12.200 out of like a political party that where you've served in the government you've been in for 30 years

00:22:16.140 must have been difficult right that's a lot of relationships that are getting severed she's 1.00

00:22:20.540 going to get really angry messages from longtime friends who are like you just betrayed our party

00:22:25.560 how could you do this you're going to kill us this is a knife in the back you know she's she's 0.87

00:22:28.880 getting it and so you know i i gotta hurt kemi isn't it of course it is well we'll get into the

00:22:36.840 bleeding in a minute right yeah yeah um but the but the point is like jenrich has publicly been all

00:22:41.980 over the place whereas sweller has actually been on a consistent trajectory so i and and jenrich like

00:22:47.860 you know jenrich began the process of mass immigration you know and she claims that i was trying to stop it

00:22:52.280 maybe she was you know of all the people to believe on that maybe she is actually the one

00:22:57.460 but like she's just been consistent okay she doesn't read as an enemy to me you know whereas

00:23:03.180 jenrich has got that enemy sense what about looking at it through the lens of that people like us would

00:23:08.580 like to see a program of mass re-migration yeah if you ask suella brevenman would are you in favor of

00:23:15.460 a policy that sees mass re-migration to the tunes of to the tune of millions i guess i suspect she

00:23:22.500 would look on you aghast say of course not how dare you i mean anyway let's move on because this

00:23:29.760 week at times moving on so the brevenman exclusive the tories should not be anywhere near power again

00:23:34.600 in my lifetime okay i mean true both tories and labor feel reform heebie-jeebies so let's get into the

00:23:43.540 the yeah the how it must have hurt the conservatives and what what labor supporters must think and the

00:23:49.720 labor party must think about it all um yeah you can know like chemis is they're bleeding out aren't

00:23:55.020 they you must have had that feeling whether you're just playing a board game or whether you're in a

00:23:59.160 game of football or whether you're like losing a group of friends it's a horrible feeling isn't it

00:24:03.800 knowing that your support and your lack of business is just ebbing away and there's nothing you can

00:24:08.160 really do or say nothing it's just ebbing away from you the game is just moving away from you

00:24:13.300 inexorably it's a horrible feeling isn't it it's a ship that is sinking and you have no control no

00:24:19.560 power you just see the water coming on and on and i go down i think i hope that after the the local

00:24:26.300 elections in may both the tories and labor will get trounced and that both kemi and sakir will be in

00:24:34.600 trouble they'll have like leadership uh rivals and things oh yeah very very seriously at that point

00:24:40.420 both of them well just a quick thing actually actually it's possible that kemi doesn't right 0.89

00:24:44.780 because actually well who should like all of the people who would have been the leadership contenders

00:24:49.560 are going over to forage like like the tory right basically is in reform now who would be

00:24:57.860 challenging kemi badenock and there was um was it prosperity uk or something some like anna

00:25:04.060 soubry-esque um interest group sprung up in the conservatives where they're like let's go back

00:25:09.560 to colorblind fetterism guys and it's like yeah i think that ship sailed actually um but way past that

00:25:15.460 now i watched the the telegraph as it was a telegraph podcast and tim stanley had gone down there

00:25:20.340 on yesterday and he was like yeah these guys aren't going anywhere and i say that as the wettest

00:25:25.520 torian existence possibly with the exception of fraser nelson right tim stanley you know kemi is mummy

00:25:31.340 right he's like yeah they're not going anywhere and you know there's no energy left in the

00:25:35.420 conservative party and i think we're dying and it's like no i'm joking this telegraph podcast was really

00:25:41.320 good because i love it that's great i know i know i was just like at least they're self-aware yeah

00:25:45.240 exactly and and it was because he'd gone to this um prosperity uk interest group in the tories it was

00:25:51.580 just like this isn't the future i was like yeah you guys lost sure i mean the tories still got a few

00:25:57.520 like pretty patel still there i saw her just the other day a day or two ago she came out saying 0.85

00:26:02.180 very very hardline stuff that she's still totally within the tory she was calling the reform national

00:26:08.260 socialist yeah i mean she's divorced from reality but i mean she could take over from kemi there's 0.99

00:26:14.260 one or two names still but i take your point that the real hardliners for what that's worth

00:26:18.760 have jumped ship at this point the actual challenger was jemmerich and he's already gone

00:26:22.540 so you know they're they're so tories forced to retract breverman mental health claims so when

00:26:28.760 it first happened the tories made a statement and they said about we've been worried about

00:26:33.400 suella's mental health for a while now i did not see yeah and everyone was like listen this is not

00:26:38.760 the time for mean gold politics they retracted it quickly said oh that we put that out in error

00:26:42.980 um i'm sorry about that um yeah i doubt it was actually yeah she's a lawyer a former lawyer right

00:26:52.400 oh sweller is yeah yeah probably best not to say stuff like that in public yeah yeah so the mental

00:26:57.000 health angle has been in the news a fair bit yeah but that that again just that's the the dying party

00:27:02.860 lashing out you know that is oh yeah it lashes out whilst it cries in pain yeah this is this is the

00:27:11.000 dying animal just flailing now to do any damage on its way out like um kemi called like an all hands 0.99

00:27:17.560 meeting or whatever get every mp in and so sweller must have been there she doubtless would have given 0.84

00:27:21.700 them the sort of like blurry background hr lecture over zoom and so let's just say yeah you know

00:27:26.060 what this is i'm out of this you know this is this is not saveable and they're just the the the

00:27:32.320 the artery has been pierced man you can't get the blood back in i wouldn't be surprised if by this

00:27:37.660 time in three years time there's 50 60 of them tory mps that have joined reform oh yeah i mean nigel 0.74

00:27:43.400 did say that there's gonna be some sort of cuff cut off but i don't know if you'll stick to that

00:27:47.300 but i won't be surprised if dozens dozens more defect to reform before this is done

00:27:52.700 um there's this one article here in the financial times i thought was interesting i mean it's a bad

00:27:58.560 take but i thought it was interesting um the the guy said he actually said i don't understand so at

00:28:05.820 least he was honest but he said um there's an opportunity for both the labor government and

00:28:09.880 the conservative opposition to paint reform as something altogether scarier as a party representing 0.64

00:28:14.760 the extreme and nasty dregs of the tories for the conservatives in particular there is a fantastic

00:28:19.700 opportunity to portray themselves as both the renewed and detoxified alternative to a labor

00:28:25.200 government that is to the left of new labor and a reform party that embodies everything that is

00:28:29.260 extreme and unlikable about the tory party if they want to so does he think it's 2011 yeah so

00:28:34.940 claiming the center ground not a good strategy the david cameron strategy that's literally david cameron

00:28:40.600 bit out of date isn't it yeah a little bit acronistic yeah yeah if only they were extreme

00:28:46.060 if only they were toxic yeah this is the point everything the mainstream media thought they were

00:28:51.580 if only that's the point right i don't think they realize how radicalized the country has become

00:28:56.800 under the things that they've inflicted on us to say oh look they're the evil nasty party that

00:29:01.080 can deport the migrants oh brilliant great sign me yeah vote you know brilliant nigel farage weeks of 1.00

00:29:06.400 being called a racist his polling went up it's like hey i have no idea nigel farage is a nazi plus 0.91

00:29:12.360 three in the polls yeah it is funny to see the disconnect between the left's criticisms of reforming

00:29:17.700 nigel and the reality of what he says and who he is and their policies the disconnect there is sort of

00:29:23.320 crazy isn't it really um okay so like how much of a risk is it then let's just talk about just from

00:29:30.000 the reform side very briefly um very briefly yeah i mean it's my opinion i think all of our opinions

00:29:35.300 most of our viewers opinions that we we don't want that we wanted reform to be an actual alternative

00:29:40.280 to these people yes and it's just increasingly obvious isn't it that it's just that's not the

00:29:46.620 case that's the defense that he's having he's constantly having to defend his position now

00:29:50.920 like that is in every single interview is that you tory 2.0 you tory 2.0 and it's like explaining

00:29:55.060 you shouldn't yeah i mean this this is a position you shouldn't have even had to take like this is

00:30:01.040 what are we not hearing when he's defending it what are you going to do about the boats what are

00:30:04.260 you going to do about the yes what are you going to do about the economy what are you no not saying

00:30:07.360 any of that is headlines are tory 2.0 let me yeah let me explain why i'm taking in a bunch of ex-tories

00:30:11.640 who have failed and are about to lose their seats yeah why you know everyone wanted an insurrectionary

00:30:16.420 party right that's what they wanted england loves an underdog brit loves an underdog that's what we

00:30:22.260 wanted we need different different people really a different view yeah different politics and so as

00:30:29.020 it looks now increasingly that should nigel enter number 10 in three three and a half years time

00:30:34.060 we will get a government which is literally a boris and rishi mishmash of people the exact

00:30:41.400 the exact same individuals is that what we're going to get new boss same as the old boss right

00:30:46.100 yeah i mean there's this link here where it's like nigel's you know shadow cabinet is sort of

00:30:52.560 shaping up yeah and it's just he's giving he looks like he's going to put in all the top jobs

00:30:57.720 all the all those tories good times so is that what you really want you out there watching this is that

00:31:06.300 what we really want um i thought it was exactly what we didn't want yeah i thought that was the exact

00:31:12.100 raison d'etre of reform was to be something different unless he comes out and does something

00:31:18.120 very radical it to me it shows a distinct lack of political acumen from nigel farage doing all 1.00

00:31:25.100 this because it it shows that he himself has such a massive disconnect from you know his actual base

00:31:32.060 voters completely his voter base like what they think of him and what he thinks of them and they're

00:31:37.440 completely misaligned yeah unless he comes out and does radical we're out of time yeah i just don't

00:31:42.820 think it's in nigel's dna to do anything completely radical so okay we'll move on he's gonna have to 0.96

00:31:47.240 tweet some really racist things to win me over i tell you um anyway right so luke says uh a bunch of

00:31:52.940 things sorry um luke says g'day everyone we might be having some something similar in australia with

00:32:01.060 the liberals the national splitting running our conservative party in half um well unfortunately for

00:32:05.780 the sake of time i can't go through it all but um it's something i will look into at another point

00:32:10.620 because i think this is a part of a kind of um series of political events that are inevitable and

00:32:17.180 essentially dialectically locked in uh that this is what happens the the liberals who are conservative

00:32:24.460 uh have to admit that they're libtards and they need to go to whatever your equivalent of the liberal 1.00

00:32:29.660 democrats are that's what's going to happen dan covered all the australia stuff recently yeah um and uh

00:32:35.480 there was another one i can't find the mouse though yeah um sigil stone says reformed should

00:32:40.340 be named the benedict arnold party for loyalty and fellowship listen benedict arnold was a patriot

00:32:45.140 a hero anyway let's let's let's move on how to lose your u.s audience in one swift i tell you he had a

00:32:55.000 really exciting life it was it was a fantastic very interesting life yeah and he was um yeah he was

00:33:01.480 like a you know a man of action you know so i yeah yeah just you know i like that kind of patriot

00:33:07.340 anyway um right so the media has discovered amelia which is nice uh because we like amelia because 0.88

00:33:17.040 she's fun uh so this was the government's pathways de-radicalization game that you can find out on the

00:33:25.820 internet i think they take it down eventually we still have a few days yeah at least yeah we've all

00:33:30.940 played it uh we all enjoyed it and as you can see there that that purple haired young lady there

00:33:36.140 so it's about a bunch of like you know college or university aged students who are uh in university

00:33:43.520 or in their i mean it looks like they're in university 16 17 year olds so okay in college

00:33:47.760 in their a-levels um and they're not happy with the state of the world the state of the world is bad

00:33:53.720 they've noticed and yeah they've also noticed hang on a second what's happening here

00:33:57.760 and uh it focuses around a young man i can't remember his name now charlie i think

00:34:02.300 who uh is like hmm this isn't going great and uh i'm i'm getting replaced and amelia this

00:34:11.360 purple-haired young lady is off babe is is like actually guys i think i'm a far-right extremist

00:34:18.500 why don't you come and be a far-right extremist with me charlie and charlie being a 16 year old man

00:34:23.340 has got the option of being like no i love keir starmer and everything he's ever done

00:34:27.400 or am i going to go to the protest with a hot goth girl i mean you know i know i would have

00:34:32.400 done when i was 16 so just you know uh so anyway this this this was the the sort of breakout star

00:34:38.700 of this and i mean as you can see from the the framing of it navigating gaming the internet and

00:34:43.360 extremism so they're targeting you our audience so please go and play this is great uh free youth

00:34:48.920 centered interactive learning package oh wow i can't wait to play that like just you can see

00:34:53.820 exactly the kind of by the way it's not really a game in any sense no don't expect a game it's not

00:35:01.280 a game no no we had fun playing it but it wasn't but it's just click this yes or no what were those

00:35:06.560 uh fighting fantasy books where it's like yeah choose your own adventure yeah so go to this page

00:35:12.560 or go to this page it's basically that yeah the lamest possible version of that yeah i don't know i

00:35:16.880 had a good time with it so yeah you're you're always at charlie here he's just you know going

00:35:20.460 around in his big city and uh as you can see he's getting you know great replaced uh and then he

00:35:26.000 meets amelia who's like hang on a second she's based and clearly watches the lotus eaters uh

00:35:31.520 and so she explains why everything is uh politically against us how britain is being destroyed and charlie's

00:35:38.220 like wow you're making a lot of good points here and no matter what you do in this you get

00:35:42.300 basically lectured by hr ma'am at the end of it where it's like no charlie you're a bad boy

00:35:46.980 think the thing is about about about the game itself is that game i was doing heavy lifting

00:35:52.680 there isn't it yes um they never explain why anything is bad why is amelia wrong but they

00:36:01.500 there's no semblance of an explanation of anything they actually frame it as this is happening and

00:36:07.300 and this is real and they're like but you can't that's bad you can't notice that yeah it was the

00:36:12.200 weirdest thing yeah so bizarre the thing i took away was to build on exactly that is that it never

00:36:18.440 says you as charlie do you choose to do something criminal and illegal and insane or not no it's it's

00:36:24.300 like it jumps that being it just says like illegal or terrorist like do you click on a link that's just

00:36:30.020 about english civil rights yes or no it's like what's wrong with that one way or another

00:36:34.720 would do you go to like a peaceful protest with a placard yes or no it's like what

00:36:40.020 what was that like you accidentally get into a fight at one point and it's like you get arrested

00:36:44.600 it's like well that's not your fault it was an accident it was what they even explicitly say it's

00:36:50.860 an accident you know emilia mentions that veterans are getting a bum deal yeah correct like yeah like

00:36:56.300 how is that what's wrong i mean i'm against that like yeah this is the point right emilia is

00:37:02.280 proposing that charlie has democratic rights and that he can exercise these constitutionally

00:37:10.100 extreme under the framework that would currently exist right he can have the opinion that he

00:37:15.400 doesn't like mass immigration he can go to a protest about these things and he can do you know various

00:37:20.380 other things and vote for whoever he wants but charlie notice he's framed as being someone who can be

00:37:25.180 reached right notice how this isn't pitched at emilia herself right there's not she's already too far 0.95

00:37:30.640 gone she's already too far based exactly she's already agreed no the system is working against

00:37:34.960 us and no i'm against it and i'm going to use my democrat i'm going to exercise my democratic rights

00:37:39.060 to active uh activate away from that and they're like okay yeah we can't persuade her because we

00:37:44.300 are destroying the country and you know we want her dead so yeah can't win her over but charlie 0.93

00:37:49.380 is naive he doesn't know anything about politics he doesn't know anything about this so we can get

00:37:53.300 to him and be like look just oh that's evil and scary that's terrorism it's like well why didn't

00:37:57.320 you arrest her then you don't arrest her because it's not right it what it is is you're just trying

00:38:02.380 to scare young people who don't know anything about politics don't want oh you don't want the

00:38:07.360 government coming after you what are they going to do nothing because emilia doesn't get anything

00:38:10.620 she's done nothing wrong you've done nothing wrong this is all just a big terror tactic yeah well

00:38:15.480 that is exactly what it is because i mean everything you do is perfectly within the bounds of the law

00:38:21.600 it it's it is as you say just entering into the democratic process like what democracy is you

00:38:27.700 attend a a group standing up for english rights it's like that's fair that's fine nothing wrong

00:38:33.080 with that what why what's wrong with english right oh there you go what's what's wrong with english

00:38:36.620 rights then you go to you know and it is it's a peaceful protest but you again you accidentally get

00:38:41.860 in a fight but they say you accidentally get in a fight so there's nothing wrong with that either

00:38:45.440 every step of the way they're trying to um disenfranchise you from engaging in the democratic

00:38:52.340 process as an english person for english ethnicity bingo it's sorry just a quick thing that that's it

00:38:59.380 right that's the thing because if you do that you can lawfully win yeah you can win and they're

00:39:06.780 terrified of it their victory is dependent on the idea that you don't engage if you don't engage if

00:39:12.720 you don't vote for the right-wing party if you don't stand up for your own rights then they win

00:39:16.920 and they continue taking everything that you have politics belongs to history belongs to those who

00:39:21.680 turn up yes um one of the things i thought was uh really quite cynical i don't know if he was going

00:39:27.780 to get onto this but it's framed as uh this game quote unquote game is framed for uh between 11 year

00:39:34.880 olds up to i think 20 21 23 years so if you took this in good faith and you really were truly naive

00:39:41.180 you're not like a 16 17 year old who's starting to notice but you're genuinely an 11 year old who

00:39:46.860 just wants to be good and do the right thing then this game is truly pernicious like it's truly

00:39:52.720 evil they're actually trying to get inside the minds of relatively small children yes that is

00:40:00.900 literally what they're trying to do i mean that's really really horrible and the other thing i was

00:40:04.080 going to say is that we joke that it's a meme it's a trope about noticing but that is really what

00:40:08.720 this is is that charlie's crime is noticing yes is is hearing emilia and hearing her that's his

00:40:16.840 crime yes and the point of the whole thing is say look don't go down that road because you'll be a

00:40:22.080 terrorist and also once you go down that road we can't get you back like we can't persuade you that

00:40:27.420 the country isn't being destroyed you know so just keep on the straight and narrow and be a good boy

00:40:31.780 that's what it's all about well i mean this was a great screen from it it was like charlie

00:40:36.400 amelia charlie's close friend has made a video encouraging people in bridlington to join a

00:40:40.440 political group that seeks to defend english rights yeah there's literally nothing wrong with

00:40:45.600 that we have various other interest groups that are defending muslim rights jewish rights minority

00:40:50.140 you know black rights whatever it is or all those protests happening for a couple of years now

00:40:54.360 reparations and all this sort of stuff like and the only way that this could be problematic is if

00:40:58.800 they would say well there aren't english rights right english people don't have rights in their own

00:41:03.240 country therefore the the implication by this is that amelia by stipulating english rights that's 0.94

00:41:09.780 the bad part has done something racist that is the bad part this is entirely framed that english rights

00:41:14.560 is wrong think is wrong headed it's not okay yeah you can't have rights in your country advocate for

00:41:22.020 english rights that's how it's framed everyone else gets rights right you don't not for me which is a

00:41:27.240 kind of ironic really because if you think about like the concept of modern rights they are english 1.00

00:41:31.120 rights right you could describe human rights as english right yeah fundamentally like literally

00:41:35.900 magna carta habeas corpus you know free speech all this sort of thing these are english inventions in

00:41:40.940 political uh political tools that we invented that other people have gone oh god i want that oh these

00:41:46.580 are human rights and it was john locke really who turned them into universal human rights but the point

00:41:50.460 is they didn't come from somewhere else these are you could literally describe the concept of human

00:41:53.920 rights as english rights which just makes this all the more ironic but anyway so the point being

00:41:58.820 everyone was like well amelia seems cool yeah i like amelia and she started becoming really really

00:42:05.440 popular because ai there are a lot of problems with ai a lot of slot produced but what it's good for

00:42:10.960 is political propaganda right because you can create a political meme that's relevant really really

00:42:16.020 quickly with very low effort let's watch this hi i'm amelia i'm english and i love england

00:42:23.000 oh no i like having fish and chips and a pint at the local pub

00:42:27.220 i like shakespeare and dickens tolkien and lewis harry potter i like pork sausage and dogs and fashion

00:42:38.660 haram haram

00:42:42.140 she's so adorable but also she doesn't say i hate foreigners can't disagree with it can't say i hate

00:42:52.360 exactly what what this is is a positive statement it's like no no look i'm english i like being

00:42:56.940 english i like my country and i like the attributes of my country i like the the culture the customs the

00:43:01.640 the commonalities of the country that we all share you know i i i also like fish and chips i also like

00:43:07.900 you know these these authors like they're you know this this is very wholesome actually and that was

00:43:13.840 the thing that really i think sparked the popularity of the amelia meme is that she's wholesome i mean look 0.73

00:43:20.100 like this is just the sort of thing and smoking well yeah sure but like that choker mate 1.00

00:43:25.060 she's 16 but is it what you told me i suppose she's supposed to be childish contemporary 0.67

00:43:32.640 oh yeah okay the point is they're in college the point is it's a very positive meme right yeah it's

00:43:39.380 very positive it is like this is like you know i just searched on twitter abelia and there are tens

00:43:44.620 of thousands of these sorts of memes but this is just this sort of general framing and it's just

00:43:48.720 like no we will win we'll have a better future england is good and actually we don't have to

00:43:53.360 listen to this sort of you know the the people talking us down and then people started um doing

00:43:59.780 this sort of thing there have been a lot of these but these sort of um infographic cartoons the

00:44:06.220 british government borrowed 20 million in 1833 which you can imagine how much that was to compensate

00:44:10.720 slave owners to the abolition of slavery the master sum was 40 percent of britain's annual budget at the

00:44:14.500 time uh repaying this debt was known as the slavery abolitions act loan and took generations and it was

00:44:19.440 paid off in 2015 over 180 years later so you have all paid to the ending of slavery by the way

00:44:26.820 and that's a completely true set of statements and these have been going around i've seen these on

00:44:31.600 facebook and everywhere right and this is actually a really good educational tool for kids to learn

00:44:35.880 your history which we don't get taught properly anymore because it's all nastiness you're evil you're

00:44:40.840 vile don't get taught that decolonization blah blah blah blah blah blah blah you can see where the

00:44:45.400 british government's like well don't listen to emilia because we can't get you back you know if 1.00

00:44:49.360 you start listening to and these are completely true by the way this is all 100 yeah from the

00:44:54.660 point of view of prevent talk about your all-time backfires oh yeah and they've noticed this right

00:45:01.780 they have noticed this the guardian isn't happy the guardian is not happy i mean look at that look at

00:45:07.680 that uh uh subline there the avatar created to deter young people from extremism has been subverted

00:45:14.700 and it's breaking out of niche online silos well is it hang on is is it being subverted

00:45:20.720 it's the character you created yeah she's doing exactly what your character said oh yeah actually

00:45:26.800 yeah we're just we're actually well we're not subverting are we we're it's literally we're running

00:45:30.500 with it yeah right right yeah emilia's like i'm going to protest english rights here's some factual

00:45:35.500 thing about history and they're like oh my god this is subversion it's like it's no no it's not

00:45:39.740 subversion it's you didn't understand the target audience right that's what this comes down to

00:45:44.640 you thought that you'd be like yeah don't go over there because they're bad and people would be like

00:45:49.860 oh yeah no english rights and you know good history and stuff no no i can't have that it was just that

00:45:54.760 what you were trying to condemn was appealing actually naturally appealing to the average person so

00:45:59.680 yeah no i would like it if just some nice person was like yeah no england's good and we deserve it

00:46:03.680 it's okay to be english yeah i'd love some rights that'd be great yeah in my own country

00:46:08.560 like i love how much this has been a rake on their face um and but the thing is they're really bothered

00:46:15.940 by her viral potential right if you're unfamiliar with emilia they say the chance like you'll soon

00:46:21.000 encounter one viral meme or another inspired by her on facebook x or x where her reputation is going

00:46:26.000 and that's thing i first encountered this on facebook did you see yeah scrolling feed just you know

00:46:30.820 various you know because they're always recommended ones on every social media platform

00:46:34.580 and that's where i first encountered this however many weeks ago now um and so that's what got me

00:46:39.520 paying attention to this thing they are bothered by the spread of this and i think in particular

00:46:44.840 the little infographics where it's like here's a positive fact about the british empire uh presented

00:46:49.620 by a a wholesome character you know uh the the oranges of the character are ironic to say the least

00:46:56.260 an early iteration of emilia began life in the counter-extremism video game funded by the uk home

00:47:00.960 office i know it's great the subversion of the character has exploded across social media the volume

00:47:07.180 of emilia posting has gone from roughly 500 a day when the account first introduced to the world

00:47:11.240 to roughly 10 000 why why are they why aren't they happy about this i mean on wednesday there were 11 000

00:47:17.560 emilia posts on x alone but they used our tax money to make this stupid little game and now 1.00

00:47:23.020 now now we're spreading the message for free why are you unhappy with this yeah you don't have to

00:47:29.240 take any more of our money to do it we're doing it for free free of charge if they were confident

00:47:33.160 in emilia's message they wouldn't have a problem with it would they well if they were confident it

00:47:38.600 was bad that's what i mean you know if it was like genuinely like nazi stuff or something but the

00:47:43.340 problem is they accurately characterized the message of the far right that was the problem

00:47:48.360 or just the central i'll just centrism even i mean i mean what they call far right you know

00:47:52.600 yeah in in their heads they're like oh yeah emilia believes english rights and stuff like this

00:47:56.420 oh no no all bad but it's like if if it was emilia was like you know nazi propaganda i hate jews i want 0.88

00:48:03.040 to kill all minorities wouldn't have had the same effect that's getting clipped but yeah no i know

00:48:08.880 absolutely right like there's one bit it's so milk toast like there's one bit isn't it i mentioned

00:48:11.660 it about the veterans where emilia says to charlie like basically have you noticed that loads of

00:48:17.540 veterans are homeless or living in penury whilst uh boat people come over and get given a house 1.00

00:48:23.240 something like that they literally don't say that's not happening yeah it actually is happening

00:48:29.200 yeah yeah but you're not allowed to notice that yeah and of course it's framed that emilia is a bad 1.00

00:48:34.600 person is is is she's in the wrong it's all mentioning it yeah just mentioning it yeah and so

00:48:41.300 they've misread the whole situation haven't they exactly because in their minds emilia occupies the

00:48:47.520 same position as hitler right and so they're like well i can't believe that you like this character

00:48:52.120 it's like okay but she's not hitler she's actually a very normal person yeah in this country every you

00:48:57.440 know normal people like why the hell is this happening why am i a two-tier citizen why do i have

00:49:01.400 to pay for these boat migrants why are all these foreigners in my town center why why can't i get a 1.00

00:49:05.660 house why am i like everyone's asking these questions and she can't get a job and she is just 1.00

00:49:13.520 an avatar of those frustrations right she's not hitler and they thought that she was and uh this is the

00:49:19.480 point again like the funniest thing no one's changed anything right it's angry about the way i mean i guess

00:49:26.300 they've made her less angry looking made her less northern yeah you know it's in the original yeah she's 0.99

00:49:31.600 the last from all isn't she that that's like and in all the you know the memes she's posh now 0.98

00:49:36.460 yeah that's a good point other than that but okay we'll allow it other than that it's just the

00:49:41.680 same character saying the same things for the same reason and uh this got to lbc uh man right

00:49:48.020 did i melt down andrew mar is not happy andrew mar andrew mar is is not happy it's so gonna give

00:49:54.380 an aneurysm is it i mean it might at his age amelia is an ai purple-haired goth girl originally created

00:50:01.560 for an anti-extremism computer game generated by the home office but now an increasingly outspoken

00:50:08.340 anti-muslim flag-waving so-called english patriot she has become very popular and here she is in action

00:50:15.360 i'm amelia i'm english and i love england i like having fish and chips and a pie and it's hate

00:50:23.580 i like pork sausage and dogs and fashion this character notice how they cut the muslim guy out 1.00

00:50:31.780 leering over a shoulder right but uh but then you have this um i i

00:50:38.100 do we gammon i don't know what do we call this guy like you know then we have pudgison then then we

00:50:45.260 have this very angry uh guy who's going to explain amelia to us his character has essentially been

00:50:49.840 taken over and it's staggering that how quickly this has proliferated across the internet the middle

00:50:55.080 of last week from nothing at the start of january there were 12 000 posts involving this character

00:51:00.800 in one day the other thing that's perhaps most damning about this is elon musk himself has now

00:51:06.960 retweeted an account which has created a cryptocurrency behind this particular meme so you can now get an

00:51:12.980 amelia coin because let's face it right wingers need another cryptocurrency elon musk is now 0.96

00:51:19.540 promoting that and this is monetizing hate this is one of the clearest examples we've ever had of

00:51:25.520 somebody trying to make money out of right wing hatred and okay we get hatred from all sides on the

00:51:32.460 internet but this is very clear where this is coming from and the the ai account for example andrew

00:51:37.980 suggests is english i i'm of high confidence those videos did not originate in england they were made

00:51:43.640 outside of the country as disruptive tactics through deep fakes and another technology sorry monetizing

00:51:50.060 hate yes what did the home office do then well uh the game i mean i guess they they didn't monetize it

00:51:57.320 but is it hateful like sorry i just don't see the hate actually so angry is cope harder pico butterball

00:52:04.620 yeah exactly greasy head dude take a shower but this is a wonderful disconnect right so they're like

00:52:11.840 i mean you've got this yeah yeah very unappealing looking angry progressive they're monetizing hate

00:52:16.720 they're monetizing hate and then oh well let me check out this amelia meme and it's just like i like

00:52:21.020 england england's good we i like sausages and dogs the disconnect oh no we should exercise our

00:52:26.720 democratic rights it's like oh yes this this is hate now is it so um yeah they they literally have

00:52:33.440 no argument and you can see i mean look at that face yeah look how worried he is look how stressed

00:52:38.820 that is no you can't share the i generated cute amelia meme on the internet no the very idea that you

00:52:45.820 might have any sympathy for a veteran is hate yeah and like you're monetizing hate and it's like well

00:52:52.240 all i'm saying is you can go and buy our goth girl mugs right seamless yeah seamless

00:52:56.540 how good is that you know i mean you know i'm not i'm not saying that we're monetizing hate

00:53:00.980 because i don't think anything that we're doing is hateful but we are monetizing it so go buy our

00:53:04.260 mugs let's move on great boom mic drop yes small small price of 14.99 yeah it's a great deal

00:53:18.160 i just love that andrew mar is the one shilling our mugs for us right yeah they're monetizing

00:53:24.400 hey yes we are shop.loses.com sorry

00:53:28.560 oh dear right where are we it's a few super chats yeah yeah he says uh amelia's aware i don't want

00:53:36.740 food in pubs and women no no no you can have women and food honestly um is dan on tomorrow can he

00:53:41.960 explain why it takes a century and a half to pay back a 20 million dollar loan well it's called

00:53:45.540 inflation actually because interest sorry yeah interest as well um but you know 20 million

00:53:51.740 dollars in 1833 is god only knows it'll be the equivalent of billions wouldn't it can i borrow

00:53:59.240 that mouse the mouse yeah sorry i just can't need to scroll down a bit um

00:54:03.700 the engaged few says amelia should have uh told the shouting credit to go home uh with his goat 1.00

00:54:09.580 yes uh well we couldn't help but play it as like a dating sim like whatever's most likely to get us

00:54:16.640 in with amelia that's the option we're clicking you wanted charlie to yeah same hey you know he's

00:54:20.720 like you know i don't want to cock block charlie exactly anyway right let's let's carry on right so

00:54:27.000 the orwellian nightmare continues i thought i'd do an update really so last time i was on i was talking

00:54:34.020 about the just the state of the state effectively um but things have changed things have moved um

00:54:42.660 and it's worth an update basically so quick recap um

00:54:48.280 quick recap we've got this is what happened last time so uh no this is all out of order

00:54:57.500 anyway what happened last time facial recognition happened in croydon and they made it was like a

00:55:07.020 hundred arrests in one day pretty mad pretty much on high street wasn't it they're just arresting

00:55:12.180 people every few minutes who were they arresting action criminals legit criminals yeah there was a

00:55:17.680 bad one uh everything yeah it was quite it was quite crazy but the take from my last segment was

00:55:23.220 what is the point basically well i mean i'm up from getting 100 criminals off the street so here

00:55:29.040 you well ah but they're not because they're arrested and basically let go because we have a massive

00:55:33.940 backlog and the prisons are full and the prisons are full they have about 5 000 uh capacity of leeway

00:55:42.720 it's not much so that was the take it was what why are they doing this and then it and then the

00:55:48.500 ultimate take was well they abolished jury trials yes they make the state more uh controlling over

00:55:54.980 your over the judiciary and they take away your fundamental rights as an englishman

00:55:59.940 as instilled in on the land with the magna carta so that was the take right because that was the last

00:56:06.300 update but we've we've we've had some movement we've had some movement it's a little bad oh it's

00:56:13.800 terrible of course it is how did i know it is terrible it's not good at all because labor are insane

00:56:20.220 uh shabana mahmood proposes ai panopticon system of state surveillance love the fact

00:56:28.560 love the fact that they've come out and just said it i mean i yeah i guess it's great the mask is just

00:56:34.800 off i mean for anyone who doesn't know i'll just quickly say the panopticon i actually talked about

00:56:39.120 that in my one of my theses that it's i think it was jeremy bentham i think first came up with it

00:56:44.200 but it was bentham yeah but foucault talks about it all as well it's the idea of an an all some sort

00:56:49.520 of prison setup where you're under surveillance a hundred percent of the time yeah and you're not

00:56:55.140 sure if you're being watched or not as well that's sort of the sinister element but you have to assume

00:56:59.260 you are so pretty sinister but the premise is you are in a prison well yeah yeah no that's the point

00:57:05.020 that that's the take-home is that everyone's in prison everyone is in prison and everyone is each

00:57:09.700 other's jailers and everyone is being watched and so this is just a quick statement uh from from this

00:57:14.660 article where she said it so in the comments report on monday by the telegraph mahmood mahmood

00:57:17.840 said she wanted to use artificial intelligence for surveillance as she proposed minority report style

00:57:24.140 policing ai and technology can be transformative to the whole of the law and order space like right

00:57:31.560 when i was in justice my ultimate vision my ultimate vision for that part of the criminal

00:57:37.300 justice system was to achieve by means of ai and technology what jeremy bentham tried to do with

00:57:41.720 his panopticon but it is the eyes of the state can be on you at all times that is genuinely mad

00:57:48.180 so when i said i mean this is over egging it no oh no no no when i said the orwellian nightmare

00:57:54.140 continues oh no we are this is this is not dramatic this is insane orwell undercooked it if anything

00:58:00.580 yeah yeah big big brother was just mildly watching you at least there might be a little

00:58:05.160 alcove in your apartment where you might be able to get away from the eyes of big brother but if

00:58:09.640 mahmood had her way you wouldn't even have that it's mad it's crazy so it is fascinating to me that

00:58:16.840 she just comes out and says it which i think is heavily reliant on um their the statement alone and

00:58:23.980 saying it so publicly is predicated on her belief that the native population and just general british

00:58:30.240 people are dumb and are not aware and don't know this is good right maybe they maybe they they

00:58:36.260 think oh yeah no no we're guys we're gonna have the panopticon we're just constantly being surveilled

00:58:41.400 in minority style report minority report style policing let's get the ai to just arrest you in

00:58:47.220 advance of the crimes you're going to commit wherever you are whatever you're doing isn't

00:58:51.140 that good so what do you mean isn't that good well that's good that's going to get our numbers down

00:58:55.440 in the way that david lamb is like yeah i want to abolish jury trial because we've got this

00:58:59.180 backlog we need to get the numbers down guys it's all about getting the numbers down it's like

00:59:02.680 no it's not you fucking lunatics it's about what you're doing to our country like this you know i 0.98

00:59:08.420 don't care if you've got a backlog hire more people i don't know deport a bunch of foreign criminals i 0.96

00:59:13.220 don't know i don't care i don't want to be in this and the very fabric of our society our civil society

00:59:18.720 yeah yeah being being destroyed yes yeah it's awful david lammy and shabana mahmood

00:59:24.180 well communists communists psychos pinkos just nut jobs it's what they've always wanted 0.88

00:59:31.360 totalitarian or authoritarian instantly yeah yeah you know you can't overreg this enough this is

00:59:38.600 dystopian hellhole stuff complete power of the state i mean that's what communism is about isn't

00:59:44.020 it is that individual is subsumed into the the greater project of the state yes and the jury the

00:59:51.760 jury trials was essentially like that the last bastion of uh civility right control you're being

00:59:59.820 at you know you're judged by a jury of your peers it's like that makes sense yeah cool absolutely

01:00:04.060 brilliant fine cool so they can say you're actually not guilty from from hate crimes because you said a

01:00:08.680 naughty thing online or something like this well that that's now going to be removed isn't it so the

01:00:13.980 state can ultimately be the arbiter of every single part of your life i mean why would the why would

01:00:20.940 you ever like i mean literally someone in the british government uttered the line the eyes of the states

01:00:25.580 can be on you at all times it's crazy so yeah yeah it's it's like it sounds i mean it's literally

01:00:31.160 what orwell was talking about in 1984 because it sounds so evil that only the villains would think

01:00:37.460 this way and yet they're like yeah i really want to create bentha's panopticon across the entire

01:00:41.960 country so we're not we're not prisoners we're on a prison island yeah yeah literally the americans

01:00:46.600 are constantly mocking us being like oh yeah prison island it's like okay well yes but only

01:00:51.800 technically right i used to argue against this now we're kind of oh yeah i've got to relinquish a

01:00:57.040 little bit of your take there maybe a little bit of a point i have to concede that they are turning

01:01:01.440 the entire thing into a prison where they have the eyes of the state on us at all times yeah i have

01:01:06.160 to concede that because it's literally what the government is doing that's the other thing about

01:01:09.100 bentham's panopticon again foucault talked about it as well the idea that um you're not necessarily

01:01:15.340 you don't necessarily know that you're under surveillance all the time but you must assume

01:01:18.420 it yeah because it could be the case and in fact it's we are each other's jailers though that's sort

01:01:24.280 of a key point to it it's not necessarily like some evil person sitting in the home office literally

01:01:30.840 watching you but that's only because of the practicality we're all right yeah just because

01:01:34.660 that's not practicable now they've got ai yeah yeah well that's what this so she continues so

01:01:40.640 similarly in the world of policing in particular we've already been rolling out live facial

01:01:44.540 recognition technology but i think there's big space here for being able to harness the power of

01:01:49.040 ai and tech to get ahead of criminals frankly which is what we're trying to do but that's people

01:01:53.460 who tweet like that's that's tweeting and all manner of like thought crimes one other little point is

01:02:00.360 that like your bigger meta point is absolutely spot on that the ultimate goal is just complete

01:02:06.000 dominance surveillance and authority and power and all that sort of thing but also just a bit below

01:02:11.780 that um is the idea that the police or the home office have just got targets that they need to be

01:02:19.060 able to say on a bit of paper somewhere that arrests are up well that's the thing that's the thing

01:02:24.680 crimes are down yeah you're right yeah yeah yeah two very different things skipping ahead to

01:02:30.240 sorry sorry my last little points here so so this is what was they what happened literally two days

01:02:36.900 yesterday now sorry uh police to get 40 new life live facial recognition vans and ai help in sweeping

01:02:44.680 reform so this is part of a bigger police reform situation this is like the combine out of half

01:02:50.220 life 2 where they have drones flying by scanning for people yeah like it's just insane how this is

01:02:56.820 genuinely every dystopian entertainment product you can think of they're getting

01:03:00.960 and no one voted for this no but who voted for this where was this in your manifesto i was gonna

01:03:05.720 say i don't remember the pledge in the labor manifesto to do this yeah page 10 panopticon

01:03:10.180 reborn project panopticon what crazy absolutely crazy and so she's trying to frame this as oh fighting

01:03:18.320 crime in a digital age with analog methods that's what they're currently doing it's like okay

01:03:22.960 no they're not bullshit yeah they're right they're not even doing that 90 percent of crimes get

01:03:27.280 completely uninvestigated yeah you are not doing this like if there were bobbies on the beat wandering 1.00

01:03:32.220 around i would feel a lot better about things but they just aren't like sorry you're not doing that

01:03:36.920 you are lazy and you're you're and one of the reasons they love policing online crime is they can

01:03:41.160 sit on their fat asses right in an air-conditioned office or a heated office and not have to actually 0.82

01:03:45.900 oh i might if i go out there and deal with the urban youth with the machete i might get stabbed i'm going

01:03:51.080 on twitter patrol sorry you know that yeah the urban youth is someone else's problem it's the

01:03:55.280 lowest hanging fruit it's so easy for them yeah so this is part of what she said anyway you know

01:04:00.680 new proposals biggest shake-up in policing in decades and it'll do nothing current number of

01:04:05.740 10 vans will rise to 50 so they've already got 10 brilliant oh great again who sorry when when was

01:04:12.000 this a thing the national center on ai when did that come into existence brilliant love it yeah great

01:04:17.700 like what what's the oversight on that who's paying for that how much that costs well what's

01:04:22.020 the democratic accountability on that who's in charge of it well the idea that ai is infallible

01:04:27.260 it isn't no no no absolutely not even close not even close grok is wrong about the simplest of

01:04:33.840 things all the time it's just a large language program type thing it's a probability calculator and

01:04:39.440 in china in fact there's loads of uh accounts of where their facial recognition just got you wrong

01:04:44.920 they got you mixed up with someone else and then you get a knock on the door or whatever or you'll

01:04:48.960 just find you'll just automatically find something you had nothing to do with just the ai mistook you

01:04:53.400 for someone else just a quick thing ai large language models they're just probability calculators

01:04:57.600 and what is the probability of this being correct in this sequence right and if it gets one wrong

01:05:02.420 which of course as a probability counter it must get some wrong right necessarily it will be wrong

01:05:08.620 some of the time otherwise you're not probability calculating it's just correct right so you will get

01:05:14.100 some wrong and then it goes off and this is why you get those like chat gpt tell me about this and

01:05:19.100 it will just make something up out of nothing and they call them hallucinations right in the business

01:05:24.620 they call these ai hallucinations where it got the probability wrong and then it ran with it and gives

01:05:29.940 you like yes no that that and there are memes of it that that berry's safe to eat and it's like oh

01:05:34.360 you're correct that berry isn't safe to eat you need to get to a hospital you know like it's just like

01:05:39.160 yeah okay thanks ai you're gonna trust this with your liberty yeah exactly yeah well we're paying

01:05:44.980 for this to the tune of 140 million but this is additional so we're already paying a lot of for

01:05:49.920 this already but this is a new thing so 140 million pound will be invested in new technologies

01:05:54.560 um and this is this this is one of the most cynical things they're like oh it's going to free up 6

01:05:59.620 million police hours each year the equivalent of 3 000 officers it's not right you to not investigate

01:06:04.780 burglaries yeah they don't do anything anyway yeah yeah i need you to for you to hand out crime

01:06:10.180 numbers 95 burglaries go uninvestigated 95 what an embarrassment 96 of car thefts in london

01:06:18.920 no no no resolution what about your phone thefts i mean christ they probably don't phone thefts in

01:06:24.360 london come on yeah don't care we're not even going to write it down it's insane it's absolutely insane

01:06:29.280 so again this is another part of it um shabana mahouds to announce police overhaul with 999 0.86

01:06:34.720 response targets and and cuts the road tape so this is gonna be part of it as well right

01:06:38.380 more targets for things yeah but you're not yeah you're not getting to the root cause of the issue

01:06:45.720 here right the root this is all just uh a shuffling of deck chairs moving things around

01:06:50.920 uh and again another one here it's sorry so we could quickly say well the root cause is or one of

01:06:57.220 them is millions of new people with a culture of higher criminality let's not talk about that or

01:07:04.400 address that or reverse that in any way that's off the table yeah and but moreover this is the

01:07:10.220 managerial state taking what it thinks to be just decisions in order to make multiculturalism work

01:07:16.500 like no multiculturalism works with a tyrannical government that's the only well so yeah you're

01:07:21.540 right so this is the michaela school blown up to a state size unfortunately yes that's exactly what

01:07:29.000 it is so the michaela school the famous i don't know why it's famous for being some uh strict

01:07:35.560 disciplinary strict disciplinary diverse yeah but not the not in the way that it's being done yeah not

01:07:42.140 not in the way it's being done um and that's what this is this is the ultimate managerial

01:07:47.100 micromanaging to stop people from noticing or having issues with one another it's just and again

01:07:54.020 remove i mean it literally couldn't get any worse could it like this is pretty bad all the time

01:07:58.620 everywhere the eyes of the state will always be on you and we will pre-crime you well yeah that is

01:08:02.720 literally i mean that is what they're trying to do is pre-crime is is to say well do you ever do you

01:08:06.880 ever a probability of committing a crime in future well we'll pull you in basically it literally

01:08:11.060 couldn't get worse that's mad and so this is another one police forces to be slashed in

01:08:16.680 sweeping reforms great so what are we doing here like what is this what are we actually doing a

01:08:24.380 narco tyranny yeah is what it is and then they're like oh well we're gonna make the british fbi as

01:08:30.220 well oh good so it'll be centralized and what's mi5 do then what good question i thought we had mi5

01:08:38.200 but well the fbi like mi5 takes on the position like the cia right well no that's more like mi6

01:08:46.060 well i thought that both were in that space but okay fair enough but the but the point is the fbi is

01:08:51.220 like a government tool right isn't the fbi just literally set up by executive fiat as in yeah it

01:08:57.000 was like in the 20s yeah yeah yeah after the red scare in the 20s yeah yeah yeah where they just set

01:09:01.540 it up and it could just be undone by fiat it'd be you know they'll shoot you but you know what are you

01:09:06.460 but the point is like you know this kind of highly centralized predatory bureaucracy like what's

01:09:13.220 our job to hunt down threats to the system oh brilliant you know that's just that's great

01:09:19.420 that's so good glad that's what's so amazing about this they're going to call it the national police

01:09:25.180 service right um doesn't actually work in scotland either so scotland scotland police has to

01:09:31.360 um you know work with them oh they must be outraged so it's a separate thing just england

01:09:37.920 and wales yeah so it's oh well great brilliant scotland must be outraged look we've got this

01:09:42.520 amazing thing for england wales and scotland doesn't get it isn't this isn't this us being

01:09:45.940 racist to the scots why don't we include the scots in this why aren't you banging down the door

01:09:50.560 saying hey guys we want the panopticon and the nps you might get loads of john dillinger style

01:09:55.860 criminals that are bouncing across the scottish border all the time to escape evade and invasion

01:10:01.080 and so what they're the things that they're going to focus on we've already got institutions that

01:10:08.460 focus on them yeah so i mean organized crime terrorism fraud online we we already have

01:10:15.220 we already have forces that deal with that it's easier for the managers if everything is

01:10:20.100 centralized into one building right i only have to make one trip over there you know well that's the

01:10:24.840 point is it's you know everything gets centralized because it's just easier to deal with right as

01:10:29.040 you're shabana mahoud i don't have to speak to five different departments yeah i want to speak

01:10:33.780 to one department and make them figure out where that percolates down to to make my orders you know

01:10:39.140 enacted so that's literally what this is there is already literally i think like what's it called

01:10:44.400 like the serious crimes something or other which is yeah how does this it's just it's nightmare isn't

01:10:52.160 it it's nightmare they're doing the same thing with the councils they they want to like oh we've got

01:10:55.560 to suspend a bunch of elections not because we're going to lose them but because we want to create

01:11:00.660 like massive councils and bring you further away from the point of executive decision right and so

01:11:07.360 the entire mindset is basically what they would like is have one command and control center in

01:11:12.800 westminster that they can just walk into and have just boards of screens and be like right i want to

01:11:17.520 do that i want to do that i want to do that and so i never have to leave this room that's what

01:11:20.680 they're aiming for they get to live out their dream of being stalin or chairman mal essentially yeah

01:11:26.560 what it all is i mean what nearly every leftist has in mind yeah we're already one of troll we're

01:11:33.460 already one of the most watched countries on the entire planet i think we are the most yeah well this

01:11:37.940 is going to crank it up even further how can you beat total total the eyes of the state on you

01:11:44.160 everywhere all the time how can you beat that well i mean ai pre-predictions can't you now in the future

01:11:49.140 yeah yeah jesus well that's what they want to bring in the ai prediction stuff it's absolutely

01:11:53.660 mad and you sort of jumped ahead a little bit to my main point is that at the end of the day

01:11:58.440 you know it we're looking at this from a very realistic standpoint obviously in terms of their

01:12:04.880 aims um but if you're being super charitable maybe a cynical outlook but still definitely that

01:12:11.360 is their aim is authoritarianism um because you just match the cure to this because the symptom is

01:12:18.320 societal degradation right just get rid of everyone just get rid of everyone mass remigration that's 0.99

01:12:25.120 what i want get rid of these people because at the end of the day right if you've got a backlog

01:12:29.220 you've got uh foreign criminals in prison you've got this huge backlog you're now having to dig

01:12:34.600 uh you know get rid of jury trials uh because again you can't keep arresting people because

01:12:41.160 there's like a year it's several years worth of backlogs it is insane just get rid of these people

01:12:46.340 well that's the one thing they will will not do though isn't it because when you look at the crime

01:12:51.000 rates per capita and that's per capita amongst native english and welsh people it's very very very

01:12:58.360 low yes it is very very low this is thing we had a high sus a high trust society all of this is

01:13:05.160 indicative of a complete cultural breakdown a complete um inversion of what we once had it's

01:13:12.740 all it's all gone and this was this they were over centuries centuries they would agree with you on

01:13:18.080 that and say yeah that's why we have to do what we're doing yeah yeah the only way we can now

01:13:22.380 stop crimes they don't see that other option right there well they can't i mean that's remigration 1.00

01:13:27.780 how could we send back millions of people that we invited to come here and ruin your country 1.00

01:13:31.980 have to micromanage it and so this this all all boils down to this is my sort of side anecdote here

01:13:39.300 which i think perfectly um exemplifies my point is this guy um absolutely awful awful awful awful

01:13:48.100 stuff truly terrible things right asylum seeker guilty of uh doing some heinous acts on an 80 uh you 1.00

01:13:55.040 know on a you know an 18 year old um genuinely terrible name of shahraz malik yep yep and um

01:14:02.640 10 points to any guesses on whether they maybe hid his asylum status to oh really i can really did

01:14:11.520 they what was the background of the judge ordered i'll show you that judge ordered jury not to be told

01:14:19.520 that the pakistani why is he seeking asylum here it's actually a pakistani national right

01:14:26.140 he's an actual pakistani national seeking asylum here we give hundreds of millions of pounds in aid

01:14:33.840 to pakistan who also has a nuclear program and i believe maybe even a space program this is insane 0.85

01:14:39.960 but how judge how is it possible oh i'm recognizing a pattern here how is it possible to be a pakistani

01:14:49.460 refugee pakistan isn't a war like what are you i'm a refugee from what oppressing the christians

01:14:55.380 oppressing women like like what have you done why are you a refugee yeah and why would why would 0.99

01:15:03.300 you not tell the jury that either yeah what's the justification for that yeah what's what's her name

01:15:09.140 just out of interest shant near mile shant yeah yeah i'm just so sick of this man but hey look

01:15:18.220 it's an authoritarian's wet dream i guess so you know we're we're living it can't help but notice

01:15:23.020 it's shibana mahmood that's bringing in the panopticon too just is it just okay thank you hate it 0.72

01:15:28.360 hate it the engage view says yeah it's a digital star chamber that's a great point it's a very good

01:15:36.100 point yeah perfectly right on the money yeah i mean we abolished the star chamber in the 17th century

01:15:40.180 so we had a good few hundred years of liberty we had a good run it's sent centuries um centuries and

01:15:47.860 centuries yeah uh of cultural cultivation to generate a society where you can literally just

01:15:54.060 could you could you could just walk out your house and leave your front door unlocked oh man we

01:15:58.440 used to do that all the time yeah kids could go out and play and you'd be like i just come back when

01:16:02.980 the street lights go on well now society's fallen apart so much the street lights don't even go on

01:16:07.040 i mean it was only in like big cities that you'd lock your doors like in villages you wouldn't lock

01:16:11.920 your door you know you and i i believe grew up certainly i did grew up in like suburbia

01:16:16.780 and even in the 80s and 90s it was like it was a it was fine to just play out until dusk

01:16:23.140 yeah and like no one was worried about anything nothing was going to happen and that's only

01:16:27.700 nothing did happen nothing yeah that's only like 30 years ago that is centuries i can't stress it

01:16:33.500 enough it annoys me it makes me genuinely upset that it is centuries of strong men because that's

01:16:39.600 what it all boils down to as well strong men strong english men that have cultivated that society and

01:16:45.560 just these bunch of wet effeminate losers have just thrown it all away on the altar of diversity

01:16:51.120 i hate it i hate every single last one of those traces and it's it's so hard to quantify 0.55

01:16:55.900 the sort of spiritual degradation after losing it as well it's like look you don't understand right

01:17:02.000 in in and i know that in your countries you're constantly on your guard right i know that somalians

01:17:08.100 are on guard in somalia from being taken advantage of or someone doing something crazy i know that in

01:17:12.520 india you're on your guard i know in pakistan you're on your guard but we used to be at our ease

01:17:16.720 right yeah we used to literally relax it was we we did i just walk out my house and i go for a walk in

01:17:23.140 the in the in the forest with the kids or i'll just go down to the the local town and just you

01:17:27.440 know all right harry yeah yeah should we go get a drink or whatever like that we didn't worry about

01:17:32.600 danger right we had a safe country and you like everything like the the way that you looked at the

01:17:38.080 world was entirely different to the way i know you guys look at your countries i know that we were

01:17:42.960 different that we essentially swapped low crime and higher trust built over centuries

01:17:48.920 uh for for the liar that diversity is a strength so that we can put diversity built britain on a 50p

01:17:55.880 coin but the thing about that and it's a lie and it's a lie but the thing about that i i'm worried

01:18:00.220 about measuring this at all right because you're like oh low trust uh low high trust low crime so

01:18:07.160 okay well if the this is why city cars like oh no crime's falling in london guys crime's falling in

01:18:11.520 london it's like i don't care if there's zero crime in london i don't feel like i'm at my ease in

01:18:17.460 london right you can't measure it i can tell you whether i feel at my ease there or not i don't

01:18:21.960 feel at my ease and until i feel at my ease in the rest of the country i don't care what the crime

01:18:27.160 rates are i don't care what the numbers are this is not about measurable things that you might be

01:18:30.560 able to win on this is about me saying that's not the country i want and until i get the country i want

01:18:35.340 we're going to keep going yeah right let's let's go to the video comments

01:18:38.920 and now another special video for her friend oh doggies

01:18:45.120 love it yeah yeah she's not as impressed as beau's breakfast club as i am hey just think

01:18:56.840 beau's breakfast club it's bbc without the noncery

01:19:01.620 the bbc beau's breakfast club oh check it out 8am every day every weekday i'm more than happy to

01:19:09.820 get more pet videos oh here we go yeah michael's dog is uh so cute yeah it's adorable and now here's

01:19:16.940 a snowy dog video for beau i tell you it's been a lot of times since i've had snow like that

01:19:22.920 where is he i should know is he in new england somewhere i can't remember sorry about that he's

01:19:29.760 gonna be in north north america somewhere in me to get snow like that let's go to the next one

01:19:35.340 hello everybody um i've created a sub stack known as a dominus oak um it tackles a very serious problem

01:19:42.520 that has come to my attention which is government is the problem it's not politics it's not politicians

01:19:50.520 it's specifically the system itself um we've made a mistake throughout history and formed

01:19:58.380 governments based off of ideology and not survivability um so i explain and tackle that

01:20:05.120 please check me out well you've won me over a tire there's a great bit in the oliver stone film

01:20:11.600 nixon with anthony hopkins as nixon where where uh a protester says to him um you don't want the war

01:20:18.980 the vietnamese don't want the war and he's like so why does it go on he says well i could maybe i

01:20:23.420 maybe i can change it from the inside maybe i can tame it and she says sounds like you're talking

01:20:27.840 about a wild animal and he's like maybe i am yeah i mean you know what's interesting i remember

01:20:35.060 reading i was listening to a podcast maybe about um the protests against nixon and how they would be

01:20:41.520 like throwing bricks at his presidential car and stuff like that and it's just like god imagine if

01:20:46.760 that happened now they get shot they barricaded the white house he couldn't get in and out of

01:20:50.860 the white house the president not with ease anyway that's that's how like lax things used to be like

01:20:56.220 how open and trusting the civilization was right yeah i mean it used to be in the 19th century you

01:21:00.520 just walk into the white house and you know there's an account of a japanese visitor who's just like

01:21:04.540 what do you mean you can walk into the emperor's palace so yeah it's like okay that's wild you know

01:21:09.660 how do you explain that to someone who literally lives in the imperial system of japan

01:21:13.280 right and it's you can just see how much things have changed over the time anyway that's not for

01:21:17.720 the better yeah no for the worse way for the worse let's carry on can you explain why you retweeted

01:21:23.880 this jamie you called it a generational banger but it is a banger you're wrong there's no right-wing

01:21:34.080 art host not one charlie bentley astor is posting edits of herself as amelia and your blackpilling

01:21:40.000 brilliant see this is what ai is good yeah yeah you know political parody it's actually great for

01:21:50.180 it i find twitter very funny most of the time yeah personally i know it could probably be quite

01:21:56.140 a horrible place if you're getting ganged up on all the time but it's usually funny to me yeah

01:22:01.520 uh lars says island of five arrived safe and sound in the mail today looks superb well i'm glad you got

01:22:05.980 one because uh they are very nearly sold out so basically if you're desperate need of one get it

01:22:11.320 while you can uh seriously uh there's something like 90 plus sold so good luck basically uh california

01:22:17.700 refugee says i just want to see bows britain don't we all uh that clapping went on so long it started

01:22:23.180 feeling like when the crowd refused to stop clapping at starlin's speech fear of being gulag yes a bit of a

01:22:28.980 thing and i saw that swaller had said oh yeah the uh the the tory parties tended to a bit of sort of

01:22:34.260 political cult around kemi and it's toxic it's like yeah very well yeah you know you joined 0.99

01:22:39.680 reform the cult of nigel i mean i'm not throwing shade because sure you're probably gonna have a 0.91

01:22:45.860 bit of political cult to get anywhere in politics but like okay anyway uh thanks scotty said oh no

01:22:51.260 that was that one michael says uh must say english british politics is far more fascinating than us

01:22:55.480 politics it's like watching an excellent drama series or espionage movie with backstabs and double

01:22:59.800 crosses wrap bags and ass bags double agents sellouts etc and yes we essentially have a 0.53

01:23:04.940 football match yeah but it always ends with more foreigners being crammed into the country and more 1.00

01:23:12.100 of our rights being taken away right it's not yeah that's funny yeah yeah that's the thing about the

01:23:17.820 american system is it's very much it's not exactly a two-party system but in essence it's a two-party

01:23:22.840 system right in the united states and so whenever you don't have that including britain there's just

01:23:27.620 much more meat to it right there's much more to play for it's much more dynamic

01:23:31.500 yeah yeah but the way the republicans and the democrats have sewn it up yeah i mean we used

01:23:36.540 to be essentially a two-party system you knew you were getting labor or tories for a hundred years

01:23:40.080 yeah but you don't know that now so actually we are entering into an exciting phase of british

01:23:45.180 politics where things change um alex says braveman's assessment of sunak telling her no no no

01:23:51.900 is paralleled by boris johnson and his autobiography unleashed he mentions being pm and going to sunak for some

01:23:56.620 support as chancellor for an idea to make a change according to johnson cynic would invariably

01:24:00.800 reply no well the thing is i think it's important to remember that cynic is goldman sachs's man

01:24:05.000 inside the british government right so maybe he's you know on the phone and he's like look boris said

01:24:10.680 this should i should i agree to it no obviously not but um bow's suspicion of her claim is slightly

01:24:17.340 misplaced as cynic was chancellor and controlled the purse strings uh and also when cynic was prime

01:24:22.080 minister uh as much as people deride liz truss she was at least she was fairly elected as leader to 1.00

01:24:26.760 prevent sunak getting in uh and then sunak just got in anyway uh so yeah no good good point and

01:24:32.400 honestly i i am like more synthetic to swallow because she has been consistent if you remember

01:24:38.020 the liz truss affair yes and how she was removed that really was honestly really was wasn't it like

01:24:45.980 just such a blatant just a blatant exercise in whoever controlled sunak it's just in plain view

01:24:52.780 um yeah no trust whether you like or not two to one win over sunak the members have made their

01:24:59.440 choice and then she she goes should you not have another election now we're just gonna put sunak in

01:25:03.620 yeah well yeah that was just the cherry on the cake should we not have like no no we're just putting

01:25:07.380 the goldman sachs guy yeah it couldn't have been more blatant it really couldn't have been more

01:25:11.980 blatant no wonder the tories even your average sort of not really politically interested person

01:25:18.980 even they your average person was like well i can't vote for the tories now what was that

01:25:22.980 what was that you just you just did to us yeah you're kidding me um so the next one is i don't

01:25:29.580 know if sweller would um support mass deportations well i had a bit of a google one we were talking

01:25:33.300 about this earlier and so i couldn't find mass deportations but she has got you know various sort

01:25:38.960 like things from years ago saying two-tier policing is bad uh here's a three-point plan to end

01:25:43.640 immigration and things like this right so again she's been consistent what is that worth well i

01:25:49.980 don't know boris was quite consistent until it came to the camera and you can say it's very easy to say

01:25:55.900 something yeah i know but boris isn't it um lucas mustache says if it was sweller generic and maybe

01:26:02.400 kruger you can make a redemption argument for them but bring in greasy swamp creatures like zahawi and 1.00

01:26:07.560 doris uh doris it's hard to say that reform isn't to tories 2.0 yeah i mean to be honest with you

01:26:13.020 like they're really weak picks i wouldn't have taken them in a month of sundays i can't even

01:26:18.240 understand why he would um ed milliband harnessing enoch's spinning grave says has anyone has anyone

01:26:26.180 noticed hey it's renewable energy i don't know what you complain um has anyone noticed that pathways

01:26:30.560 is just the plot of 1984 told from the perspective of the thought police it's like yeah i suppose it is

01:26:35.960 yeah but winston we gave you o'brien at the end you know where he's explaining to winston you know

01:26:42.160 you had every opportunity not to you know absolutely but what i said earlier um it's actually

01:26:47.740 more uh complete as a surveillance apparatus than what georgia described in 1984 it's more complete

01:26:56.200 like in 1984 he could go out to the countryside and find a sort of a quiet grove somewhere and be free

01:27:01.940 or a little alcove where where the video screens couldn't see you and right in his diet but she

01:27:07.400 wants 100 all this about 100 that's much more surveillance than even big brother it's so awful

01:27:12.540 man and it's imagine sending this back 50 years i mean like we have a pakistani or bangladeshi home

01:27:19.320 secretary who wants bentham's panopticon and pre-crime future crime like imagine what their faith

01:27:25.880 you but no you're not how could you do that not what our soldiers died for and if you object

01:27:31.120 it's not for any of them you know like you go back to like margaret thatcher and tell her that's

01:27:37.840 what you're going to end up with she'd be like no way and if you object to it then you could

01:27:43.840 you're considered a real problem you're a potential terrorist furious dan says amelia's rise is what

01:27:51.780 writers call the revenge of the straw man when a character has made a shallow takedown of a

01:27:55.580 viewpoint ends up resonating with audiences more than the author's mouthpiece and that's exactly

01:28:00.180 what has happened here perfect description really that yeah yeah belt says foreign disruption tactics

01:28:05.300 doesn't this imply that having multi-ethnic multicultural nation is a weakness as existing

01:28:09.740 tensions are easily exploited also i've i've seen all of these amelia memes obviously and i don't see

01:28:15.660 any reason to think that they are foreign generated no i'm no it all seems to be english nationalist

01:28:20.980 accounts using them yeah yes yeah it's just there are a lot of them online because people are paying

01:28:24.920 attention um yeah just no reason to think it uh california refugee says amelia is accidentally 0.99

01:28:32.460 turned into the far-right equivalent of 72 virgins for jad self-deleters russian says i love england

01:28:40.420 this is literally monetizing hate uh it's so funny man it's so funny um geordie saulsman says on

01:28:47.820 subs like joe carter is an interesting theory about meme characters being the old gods reawakening

01:28:52.040 nordic gamer as apollo giga chad is thor wife jack as freya uh he notes that amelia has naturally

01:28:58.020 accrued the domains of wisdom and war uh furthermore so like an athena i was about to say athena then

01:29:03.520 that would be yeah that would yeah and actually that's kind of how people are using her and athena in 0.93

01:29:08.800 the ancient world or in classical greece was massively popular oh yeah massively they're like colossal

01:29:15.580 statues of her and things yeah yeah can we have a colossus of amelia a gold a polished golden

01:29:22.120 colossus of amelia when we win when we win uh he actually says yeah there's a palace athena uh

01:29:28.280 the gray-eyed daughter of zeus's awakening well i mean like this is the thing about like archetypes

01:29:33.000 uh in inevitabilities like humans don't actually change that much from era to era even if the

01:29:38.740 technology and the society changes so the same people do the same things and produce the same

01:29:42.980 archetypes i think that's what's happening oh white rider says they made the character we just

01:29:48.700 set her free so it's how's he wrong uh nothing more infuriating says isaac than logging on to x in

01:29:56.000 the evening and then seeing left-wing rage baiters turning up to the party extremely late and completely

01:30:00.220 missed the mark on the amelia thing it's not even about the pathways game amelia is just something

01:30:04.780 far-right incels came up with to make them feel better so they can dream of interacting with a woman 0.99

01:30:08.900 it's like no no it's just people like symbols that seem to be favorable to them it's literally

01:30:14.560 that simple um the home office's choice of lotus eaters purple for amelia was fantastic says adrian

01:30:20.640 great point we should have monetized that we should have monetized that more um

01:30:25.840 uh furious dan says jerry bentham in my book i invented the panopticon a prism that produces endless

01:30:32.400 suffering shibana mahoud at last we have created panopticon inspired by my favorite book do not create the

01:30:38.240 panopticon not even i hate the brass balls on her yeah come out and say it as well but that's the 0.98

01:30:47.100 thing i don't think she understands that what she's doing is wrong i genuinely think from their

01:30:51.180 perspective they're like we've got to get the numbers down yeah we've got to get the backlog

01:30:54.040 done like we've got to do all these things like okay but you are spiritually destroying the country

01:30:58.300 do you understand i wonder if she's read bentham i doubt it of course not i doubt it i mean what any

01:31:05.020 what person really would ever read about the panopticon and think yes i like that that's good

01:31:12.240 well imagine such a person what kind of cabinet would they end up serving it probably look a lot

01:31:19.820 like keir starmer's cabinet right so maybe we've found the most evil people in existence uh optional

01:31:24.840 scott says i used to work for a ccdv company that had facial recognition it was only good with white

01:31:30.040 faces and funnily enough whatever the developers were asked whenever they were asked to volunteer their

01:31:34.080 faces for the training tool no one did do you know why it's uh good with white faces no go because

01:31:40.240 genetically white people are actually incredibly diverse that's why on a genetic level i imagine

01:31:47.300 we are incredibly diverse that's why you have so many different ranges of eye color there's also

01:31:52.260 hair color uh hair shape yeah all of it that's white people as an ethnic as an ethnos are incredibly

01:32:00.320 diverse one of the most diverse ethnicities a few years ago they were complaining that facial

01:32:05.340 recognition software is racist because uh like automated cars and stuff i wouldn't detect black

01:32:10.260 people and one of the issues was light reflection off the skin right so obviously we're going to have

01:32:15.460 the most light reflection off of our skin because we're white skinned uh the darker you are the less 0.97

01:32:20.320 light reflects off your skin which is why you're dark actually uh so it's which is why you're perceived as

01:32:25.820 dark by other humans so there's also the light reflection issue which uh had a few years ago

01:32:31.460 i don't doubt that's also going to be an issue but anyway we're out of time so thank you very much for

01:32:35.280 joining us folks um we will be back tomorrow at the same time so have a great evening and we'll see you

01:32:40.920 on the next two of us forth

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The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - January 27, 2026

The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1341

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