The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1343

00:00:00.000 good afternoon ladies and gentlemen welcome to the podcast the lotus it is for thursday the 29th

00:00:06.460 of january where we will be debating whether jesus should have actually kicked the money

00:00:10.020 changes out of the temple no i'm joking we were just having just before we went on camera i'm

00:00:13.680 joined by faras and josh hello see what i have to put up with today we're going to be talking about

00:00:21.060 is it over for reform already um because it might be uh we're going to go inside the mind of a lib

00:00:26.580 when they are presented with some facts and logic and then we're going to talk about the upending of

00:00:31.460 britain and how labor are actually doing really insanely structural things to the country with

00:00:37.420 zero mandate and we're not paying close enough attention to that um but before we begin uh if

00:00:42.560 you can get a copy of islander off the store now good luck because it is 95 sold and there aren't

00:00:47.680 any left in america so you'd have to go to the worldwide store so um don't wait basically here's

00:00:52.880 what i would advise but um all right let's begin okay so the next election is set to be no later

00:00:58.900 than the 15th of august 2029 which is quite a long way away really perhaps too far away to make

00:01:06.180 predictions about you know results and things but i thought it'd be interesting to look at reform

00:01:11.660 because there's been a significant drop in their polling recently and i wanted to examine some of the

00:01:16.800 reasons um with both of you as to why that might be and also whether they can recover from this

00:01:22.480 and my sort of spoiler alert opinion is you know it's all up in the air at the minute we don't

00:01:28.880 really know but there is reason to to think that perhaps maybe they've peaked um maybe if shabana

00:01:35.620 mahmoud defects to reform that'll fix that yes sure her her digital panopticon yeah wonderful that'll be

00:01:43.700 nice so in september um of 2025 of course there were polling around 35 and this is um obviously

00:01:54.180 just one poll but there were also others here's an ipsos poll of course widely touted as one of the

00:02:00.400 more reliable ones or at least as far as polling goes um here they are at 34 so in september it seemed

00:02:07.920 like a lot of the polling agencies agreed it's roughly about 30 or at least the high 20s about

00:02:14.840 a third of the country was going for reform exactly and then this happened whereby um they they formed

00:02:23.840 this sort of uh tory party avengers here um where they um had the defections of robert jenrich

00:02:31.320 braverman zahawi and rosendale and uh just to really emphasize just to be clear there have been

00:02:37.480 27 mps or former mps have defected from the conservatives and i was actually gonna gonna

00:02:43.100 list a few just for the sake of uh emphasizing this so they've also obviously got lee anderson

00:02:48.260 who used to be a conservative uh danny kruger nadine dorries uh david jones uh jonathan gullis

00:02:55.200 andrea jenkins uh sir jake berry adam holloway um and there's also 15 others not including

00:03:02.940 councillors yeah so obviously they received a bunch of councillors on top of that from the

00:03:08.400 conservatives too and so that's a quite large contingent of the conservative party that has

00:03:15.060 just shifted to reform and you've sort of got this ship of theseus thing going on where how many

00:03:22.200 conservatives does it take to reconstruct the conservative party it's sort of a reverse version

00:03:27.480 really isn't it i mean the people who i covered this in my chat with dan the other day that there

00:03:32.580 are basically two people in reform who were never part of the conservative party one being uh james

00:03:38.820 mcmurdoch and the other being the boxer who is the who's a mayor or something somewhere in the north

00:03:43.940 oh yeah yeah um so that's basically two people that's it so this has obviously received a lot of

00:03:51.300 criticism from many people um even people who wanted to vote for reform because of course

00:03:56.520 the elephant in the room is the reason reform has taken off is because of the failures of the

00:04:01.360 conservative party and it's a similar thing with the greens as well in in the sort of left-hand side

00:04:06.820 of politics they've taken off because of the failures of the labor party and so when the politics

00:04:13.440 of today is defined by the failures of the establishment parties how much of it can really be attributed to

00:04:20.020 the successes of uh you know having a a really um gravitational campaign from say the likes of

00:04:26.760 reform or all the greens a bit insulting to compare them both but so well i don't know i think they

00:04:31.700 actually fulfill very similar roles right so what we're witnessing is essentially the tory right

00:04:36.040 peeling off into the reform party and the greens what we're witnessing is the labor left peeling off

00:04:42.280 into them so they're the greens have become the sort of islamo-communist party

00:04:45.820 and reform i mean they've got people in there that are far to the right of nigel farage

00:04:51.720 so they're not the based party but you know what i mean it's it's those people who

00:04:57.040 are still sivnads uh but are to the right on the conservative spectrum yeah i suppose if i'm to be

00:05:04.780 charitable although i'm often not feeling that way um i i think that you could say that over the past

00:05:11.020 five years things have shifted at least rhetorically for what for what that's worth which isn't a lot

00:05:17.080 because of course actions speak a lot louder than words but for the the glacial pace of british

00:05:22.800 politics a step to the right is an unheard of thing so at least that's something but it's such a small

00:05:29.280 uh tidbit or morsel for us really yeah and a lot has happened in a very short period of time

00:05:34.900 like january's been a long month man so yeah you're not not wrong to pick up on this yeah

00:05:41.000 oh sorry for us no i mean it's it's the endless space of scandals coming from labor and the complete

00:05:49.100 and utter failure of chemi um but then you have to ask yourself if bringing in the conservatives is

00:05:58.900 causing you to tank in the polls that means that you need to drift a lot more to the right

00:06:05.120 than has already been the case i mean nigel must be thinking about how to recover this ground right

00:06:11.280 yeah and it's not unrecoverable because if i'm being charitable and i don't necessarily believe this but

00:06:18.740 a potential explanation that isn't you know too far out is that he didn't want to be too hard in

00:06:25.560 signaling listen we're not the tories which he should have been doing because they're occupying

00:06:29.860 a void which they've left and the voters feel betrayed so the best rallying cry would be to say

00:06:36.420 listen we're not the tories we're actually going to do what we say and we're going to listen to you

00:06:40.640 and people would love it and they didn't really do that and i feel like that is a tactical failure but

00:06:46.600 if farage's strategy is that we're going to take in as many tories as we can and then we start saying

00:06:52.340 that and then we actually start saying listen we're going to pledge to do you know these really

00:06:57.180 good things then there's perhaps uh you know he's not coming across as hypocritical maybe that's what

00:07:04.600 he's thinking but i don't actually think that's the case there's a couple of things on zahawi

00:07:09.740 this guy in my view is there to provide emirati money i think he's the conduit to do that and so

00:07:17.840 said that in the press conference yeah him coming across exactly giving him a seat in the lords in

00:07:23.580 exchange for some funding given the poor financing of pretty much all parties in britain that kind of

00:07:30.120 makes sense he needs a couple of people who are reliable on the media front who can sit down and do

00:07:37.380 interviews and not say things that create massive openings for the guardian and and for for these kinds

00:07:43.820 of left liberals that that have become so insane danny kruger position yes yes so there is some use

00:07:50.240 for some of these people and then hammering it the rest of the conservatives by saying that look those

00:07:58.620 of you who want to survive have to jump ship kind of accelerates the death of the conservative party

00:08:03.400 and the last thing i would say is that come the may election which is the deadline that he's imposed

00:08:10.740 for anybody who wants to defect um there is nobody in the reform camp who can challenge his authority

00:08:20.500 it's not like generic can mount a leadership bid and so having these people who have experience and

00:08:27.960 relations with donors does have certain pragmatic justifications am i fully convinced that he's going

00:08:36.920 to swing right no no i'm as skeptical as you are but since you're not in a charitable mood it falls on

00:08:44.700 me to to play that part so the the problem with all of this though is that farage has got his face

00:08:51.420 firmly pointed towards the conservative party i mean literally saying look you've got like may the 5th

00:08:55.640 or whatever it was as your deadline to come over to me is not him being the insurrectionist that i think

00:09:02.000 people were voting for right no it's it seems a little bit cordial um in in a way that i think

00:09:07.900 people don't want to be it's not even just that it's cordial it is basically saying i'm the legitimate

00:09:14.300 ruler of the conservative party right so i and so what he has broadcast to the public there is that no we

00:09:20.760 are actually the conservative party and i'm the true king of it and so i will give my wayward vassals

00:09:27.920 a deadline for which they can come over and reconstitute themselves under my new brand

00:09:34.320 but there's no reason for any member of the public think oh i'm getting something substantively

00:09:38.940 different now which is what they were voting for when they wanted to vote for reform they're like

00:09:43.040 no i'm voting reform as like a right-wing protest vote okay but essentially it's not a protest vote

00:09:48.720 anymore because literally you have like the boris wave cabinet being reassembled in front of your eyes

00:09:53.380 because they realized that the protest vote was going to get them kicked out of politics

00:09:57.220 they're all going to lose their seats or maybe actually jenrich's one of the few who wasn't

00:10:01.220 going to lose a seat uh so maybe jenrich's just made a misstep here um but the point being like

00:10:06.760 essentially this is a rebellion against the tory wets them saying look we're not happy with the

00:10:11.880 lib dems and the conservative parties okay but kemi badenok isn't the tory wet kemi badenok's actually

00:10:17.180 quite hard line on a bunch of issues she's on the tory right

00:10:20.240 so why doesn't she just kick them out and you guys stay in the conservatives

00:10:24.440 like what is going on like the whole like the whole scheme of politics at the moment

00:10:30.600 is just being really badly mismanaged by people who i don't think really understand their own

00:10:35.300 positions on the board yes and so i think that the the climate in westminster is very different than

00:10:41.800 the the climate with the electorate in the in their world it makes a lot more sense what they're doing

00:10:47.440 but that world is slowly becoming something different and they don't necessarily realize it

00:10:52.440 for example we want people with experience well how much experience did david cameron have

00:10:57.280 how much experience did tony blair have right these people i mean blair in particular

00:11:02.900 obviously no experience in government but he came in with a huge mandate because he was promising

00:11:08.120 what was it change things can only get better we are going people like i don't know why nigel

00:11:14.200 farage is even entertaining the narrative of experience who cares like the my argument would

00:11:20.400 be because the donors want it the donors are going to get would be that the donors want it you're

00:11:25.480 going to get the victory whether you like it or not right because as you saw back in september farage

00:11:30.040 on 35 percent labor on 22 percent no the victory was coming to farage whether he liked it or not

00:11:35.460 he could just sit there and go no i'm against them all actually uh and we're just going to go in

00:11:39.760 there like a bull in a china shop and ruin all of their job uh ruin everything they've done and that

00:11:44.900 got them 35 percent in the polls so farage has basically been kind of allowed to have his feet

00:11:51.300 slip from out from under underneath him with silly narratives or they're like oh but what if you don't

00:11:56.200 have experience so you didn't ask that of anyone else no one else had any experience when they went

00:12:00.560 into government did you say that about david cameron do you say that about boris johnson do you say

00:12:03.860 that about anyone no but you said it about us because we represented in the minds of the voting

00:12:08.220 public something substantively different and to be honest with you i don't really want the same

00:12:13.640 people who have experience of ruining the country to go back in there and be like oh yeah no and the

00:12:18.840 argument sorry just i know i'm going on the argument is ah well sweller and jemric have been radicalized

00:12:24.820 by the white hall process yeah maybe but so like they've also got to be held accountable right well it's

00:12:33.080 not even that it's like okay they're like yeah i couldn't get anything done yeah okay great i hear you

00:12:36.980 you couldn't get anything done great what am i going to do as farage i'm going to come in and just

00:12:40.340 legislate it out of existence i'm just getting who who's got power right i can see the the reins of

00:12:46.780 power here i'm just going to make it like reconstruct it in your own image how do you think it should be

00:12:51.740 right i think it should be ministers who have uh bodies underneath them rather than quangos that

00:12:56.900 float along the top great i'm just going to legislate that i don't need someone who's been like yeah i just

00:13:00.900 couldn't get anything done guys i don't you don't actually need that guy if you have a plan timid to cut

00:13:05.800 the gordian knot one exactly he's too timid to actually cut the gordian knot so what he wants to

00:13:11.780 try to do again to try to be charitable to him is to get these people who can do this in a surgical way

00:13:18.940 but he doesn't understand that the system itself is fundamentally broken and won't respond to him

00:13:25.520 so there is a world where essentially swella breverman is a spad for whoever takes over the home office

00:13:34.840 yes there is a world where that is a possibility where these people don't run as mps

00:13:38.600 and so they do instead damage to the conservative party and they are used in that capacity and then they're

00:13:45.500 ditched which sort of satisfies the voters and there is time for him to actually achieve that

00:13:50.880 yeah um they all want their jobs back which is a problem so whether or not he can do this i don't

00:13:59.360 know having defectors from both parties does have some benefit but he hasn't gotten any serious labor

00:14:06.700 defectors yet well hang on unless you count lee anderson who sort of but it only has a benefit

00:14:12.260 if you were in the minority position yes so if like the conservatives are at 27 adding something

00:14:19.900 exactly if the conservatives are at 27 labor at like 30 yeah and reformer like 18 yes it's worth

00:14:25.580 having a defector in that situation but actually when you're on 35 and they're on 20 or 18 or whatever

00:14:30.260 why do i need you guys i've already crushed you right yeah and also i think faraj doesn't seem to be

00:14:36.380 paying attention to the people who will be voting for him right as in look at the map of britain and

00:14:43.320 the the north has gone teal right it is ex-labor heartlands that have decided yeah no screw it the

00:14:49.940 labor party is a bunch of traitors i'm gonna vote for nigel farage because at least he seems like a

00:14:53.780 patriot right okay they're not natural tories no they're naturally deeply socially conservative

00:15:00.020 but they're not tories and so giving them here's a lineup of conservatives who are literally just in

00:15:05.480 government i need you guys to vote for i can see them going oh no this isn't it this isn't it i can

00:15:10.840 see why that it's like no slowly but surely they're realizing oh no this isn't the thing i was asking

00:15:15.320 for i thought nigel farage was mr brexit who literally came in from the outside to upend the

00:15:20.160 system like he did with brexit but if he's just reforming the tories why would i vote for that

00:15:24.180 there's also a sizable portion of people from that sort of constituency that have never voted

00:15:28.960 conservative before that will be going from labor and i've been looking at some of the data on this and

00:15:34.240 it's a surprising amount actually it's a non-negligible amount that are completely

00:15:38.980 stepping over the conservative party and going from labor to reform and he should be encouraging

00:15:43.860 that and not aggravating it by getting more especially since it's actually labor that's

00:15:48.860 the bigger party labor is at 20 conservatives are struggling at the 18 level so labor have been

00:15:56.720 holding steady at 20 to 22 percent you want to chip away at that and with the first pass the post

00:16:01.860 system if you chip away at that enough you beat the conservatives every time but also um the the

00:16:07.880 this is very westminster focused right as in people around the country are just hearing

00:16:15.540 gossip from within the westminster bubble this is literally just like teen girls at the dinner table

00:16:20.920 at one end of the cafeteria just you know bitching and then everyone else is just getting on with

00:16:25.060 their lives or you know playing video games or whatever they're doing and it's just like look man

00:16:28.520 like you are exactly right you should be further destroying the labor party like in manchester

00:16:34.480 reform have a really strong hand at the moment why is farage in london like manchester is something

00:16:41.200 like half voting reform at the moment it's like you know in the polls like you see the constituencies

00:16:46.780 from the outside chewing into labor's what was otherwise an insanely secure labor place and so why

00:16:52.980 isn't farage constantly just touring manchester getting you know ruining the labor party in there it's like

00:16:57.560 no i'm stuck in westminster i'm stuck in white white hole the bubble and i'm talking about the

00:17:02.600 people who i mean literally the boris jenrich was in boris's cabinet swell was in rishi's cabinet

00:17:09.480 right this is the tories who promised they would level up the north who didn't like these are the

00:17:16.540 people involved in the betrayal you can say well look you know they've changed okay whatever man whatever

00:17:21.140 the average person just sees a bunch of tories and remembers like literally five years ago not even

00:17:26.460 very long ago you promised to help us and you completely sold us out i'm not voting for you

00:17:31.220 guys and you know what are we doing here and whether it's this effect at play um in the latest polling

00:17:40.700 here we have um some from this month here and it's showing them this is yougov down to 25 only four percent

00:17:50.660 head of labor here which by the way you know one of the most unpopular governments in history

00:17:56.620 the most unpopular government in history is the keir starmer is the most disliked prime minister

00:18:02.240 ever at least in recent history i can think of a few governments in the you know distant history that

00:18:06.740 might have been slightly more disliked but it's in the history of modern polling then you know um

00:18:11.720 and um one thing i did find just a quick thing on this if if i were farage and i'd lost 10 of my vote

00:18:18.620 share in the last couple of months after doing essentially silly things i'd be panicking right

00:18:23.960 this would be cause for panic in reform hq i'd be like jesus guys i thought we were a shoe in here

00:18:28.980 what's happening yeah well one thing that i found interesting to skip ahead a little bit here

00:18:32.860 is that um when a lot of this polling was coming out you had um both nigel here saying we've now led

00:18:39.700 in over 200 consecutive opinion polls which is true um obviously they have been leading but the question

00:18:45.760 is how much of a lead and you also had um reforms official account saying the same thing at the

00:18:52.400 same time and to my mind this spoke more of insecurity of people saying listen you've gone

00:18:57.000 down in the polls quite a significant degree and they're saying well actually we're still leading

00:19:02.060 you know of the past 200 which isn't really good enough but also it's actually way worse for reform

00:19:09.320 to just be in the lead in the polls right because the liberal democrats are never in the lead in any

00:19:14.540 poll and yet they're the third party when it comes to seats because they got like 3.9 million votes

00:19:20.320 in 2024 reform got 4.1 million votes they got what is it 70 seats or whatever it was reform got five

00:19:27.420 seats because of the distribution exactly it's because of the distribution because the lib dems

00:19:31.880 know who their constituents are in the southwest of england basically

00:19:34.520 campaign heavily there and are concentrated in this area so they only need to get their votes in

00:19:41.640 this area and they know they get a nice big uh flush in parliament whereas to be and so they

00:19:47.420 they can be way behind for them it's all zipped up here but for reform it's spread across the entire

00:19:52.920 country and it was the same with ukip as well they would get about four million votes and basically

00:19:58.100 nothing out of it because of first pass the post and so faraj has to know that he has got to be way

00:20:03.200 into double digits above his opponents if he wants to sweep that map he has to know that so like you

00:20:09.380 say this comes across as insecurity yeah because actually you're on the downswing and what's the

00:20:14.920 plan what the problem that you have with taking in a bunch of old tories is actually you are pinning

00:20:20.700 your colors to a mast and that mast is on a sinking ship it's like okay why are you doing that you know

00:20:27.460 you were doing great before you took these tories why are you doing this and i found it interesting

00:20:33.700 actually that you gov explicitly asked does former conservative mps joining reform uk make you think

00:20:40.280 more positively or more negatively towards reform and actual reform voters 17 of them said it makes

00:20:48.420 them think more negatively towards reform um 23 said it makes them think more positively uh i don't know

00:20:55.760 why i guess because they're getting defections and then 48 the majority um said that they don't care

00:21:03.300 it makes no difference i'm gonna vote for them anyway still like you know losing 17 of the people

00:21:08.620 who uh pinned your your your ship is not good like that you know it's a significant enough yeah

00:21:16.460 portion isn't it and the thing is like okay 23 makes me think more positively towards reform

00:21:22.540 of reform voters who are already supporting reform so who cares yeah it's not really changing anything

00:21:29.300 you've already got those people you might lose 17 percent and the people who 48 who decided that

00:21:36.080 don't don't care i'm here as a protest vote like why would you mess with the formula you're at 35

00:21:41.320 don't change anything no they were doing well enough yeah you know why why haven't you got the

00:21:47.340 business leaders like why isn't alan sugar like coming on like alan like you know get on there i want

00:21:54.700 you to be the chancellor i want you to go in there you know you're fired you're fired you're fired to

00:21:58.500 a bunch of bloody you know home office uh the you know bank of england or whatever the treasury yeah

00:22:04.460 like why aren't you doing that why don't you have like what was the super nanny or whatever not

00:22:09.640 necessarily her but you know someone of that sort of like no that's in charge of the home office

00:22:13.060 we're going to sort this country out morally you know we are going to fix a bunch of the problems

00:22:17.260 why you just oh well let's bring in the old dregs of the old party and then hopefully they'll fix it

00:22:22.860 that it's not persuasive it's a terrible narrative it's such a weak and easily exploitable narrative

00:22:28.680 and everyone sees it like i've seen it from both the left and the right going right okay this is

00:22:33.200 just tories then but everyone sees it and it's not just the yougov poll as well that's found this

00:22:39.580 sort of trend um here's another one here um that puts them at 26 rather than 25 percent um and then

00:22:48.860 here is a third one um which also points out that um almost half of britain say they would never

00:22:55.820 consider voting for reform um which is unsurprising actually sure um they have them at 27 percent

00:23:02.440 and so they're sort of floating around this it's the fundamental problem of the

00:23:08.460 margin between them and labor at six points ahead four points ahead you're in very bad shape

00:23:18.080 considering the unpopularity of starmer if you say that starmer is 20 percent is or 18 percent or

00:23:24.180 whatever it is is just the sort of payroll vote fair enough they got seven eight percent uh percent

00:23:31.120 pay rises they're happy but you should be doing much better than this well yeah the this poll in

00:23:38.900 particular if you're only six points behind the conservative party and you're doing something wrong

00:23:44.320 yeah everyone knows that they're the ones that screwed up the country you're not even 10 points

00:23:50.320 ahead of the labor party in this one though no again everyone hates labor

00:23:55.620 it's um of course worth mentioning uh i'd be remiss not to mention it that polling of course is fraught

00:24:04.400 with mistakes recently however it's still interesting it's still measuring something how however inaccurate

00:24:11.280 it is but a 10 point shift i think is significant enough that it's it's an effect that you've got

00:24:18.160 to take as real well this this one's just a quick thing so i often track the just the average of

00:24:23.360 polling uh politico does one electoral calculus does one and there has definitely been a sort of downturn

00:24:28.960 um the the latest one we covered in the chat with dan they're on 28 on average which i mean some of

00:24:36.180 the polls are like oh they're on 33 and you know some of them on 25 and so they're on 28 on average

00:24:41.160 but that's that's not good that's not good i mean why isn't nigel on 40 why doesn't he why isn't he

00:24:46.600 just eaten up the labor and conservative votes like why you know why do you think bringing in the

00:24:52.180 failures are bolstering your party i just blows my mind there's two points to make here um one of them is

00:25:01.220 labor and the greens will be working with the commonwealth boris waivers to get their votes

00:25:08.960 based on the idea that these guys will deport you and you have to vote for us

00:25:13.300 so the lead has to be substantially bigger than it currently is and with this deadline i think we're

00:25:22.380 going to see more conservative defectors including people like maybe jacob reese mog now this kind of

00:25:28.820 mog won't he he mog will go down with the ship he's been the signaling that he's been doing

00:25:34.480 against the conservatives yeah might get him sacked out of the party it might be that which

00:25:40.200 would be hilarious uh kemi is in a sort of dictatorial mood is a sort of you know one wonders why

00:25:46.900 um so you you see that and you realize this should be this should be much better you should be doing

00:25:54.980 much better than this so i wanted to point out that since uh 2024 reform has grown in support with

00:26:03.860 the public a significant degree this is sort of my playing devil's advocate to my own point

00:26:07.920 and you can see that there are quite significant swings here as well and so there is at least

00:26:13.400 potential to regain this momentum that you know it's just got to be handled correctly but it is worth

00:26:19.040 pointing out and i need to scroll all the way down this you gov polling i think to to show that it

00:26:25.940 might not necessarily this is the reform data i just showed but um here are the greens with a

00:26:31.460 similar phenomenon and this is why i was comparing the two is that they both had a sort of meteoric

00:26:36.420 boost in popularity and that's because of the collapse of labor here as you can see just absurd levels

00:26:44.040 a falling popularity here but also the conservatives as well to a slightly lesser degree and they've even

00:26:50.300 got some gains here somehow um but even so it's the failure of these two parties more than the

00:26:57.180 successes of the sorry just a quick thing on this one right yeah go ahead the the these these people

00:27:02.960 who went to reform right this these negatives about a portion of them will have gone to the greens

00:27:08.920 but most of these will be the white working class vote because there we go best householding

00:27:14.020 income right this this is reform voters right here these are the reform voters if we can see by

00:27:20.700 household income for reform uh there we go like there we go right this this is all stolen from labor

00:27:27.020 right this is all stolen from labor um so it's and the the top ones will probably be stolen from the

00:27:32.640 tories right so it's just just saying nige you need to start thinking about who you are actually

00:27:39.500 trying to get in the coalition and he's not thinking about it there is another problem here

00:27:43.980 which is that if i remember correctly the lower income households aren't as reliable as voters

00:27:50.900 and that they may choose to not turn up sure and so there has to be a message that boosts turnout

00:27:58.840 significantly in part to counter the boris wave voters who as a you know five million people

00:28:06.420 that's not small that's not it's not a small amount and if one of the far left parties can

00:28:13.020 organize them be it labor or the uh or the greens i mean that's that polanski's policy and so you see

00:28:19.900 this weird coalition that gets created in this way that can really make all of this polling irrelevant

00:28:26.900 another interesting thing is that the the phraseology like britain is broken it's like yeah

00:28:34.820 obviously but it's not revolutionary is it no right it's i'm it sounds like i'm going to fix the

00:28:41.860 blairite order right i'm going to just wind back the clock 10 years or so to when things were quite

00:28:47.120 good and it's like you know that's not sufficient i think i genuinely think a lot of people actually

00:28:51.020 want basically a revolution like genuinely revolutionary like rhetoric british british

00:28:56.800 would be a much better slogan there's no way nigel france would say that and people are definitely

00:29:02.160 by it yep definitely by it yep so i just wanted to end on this that the real test of how this polling

00:29:10.880 translates will be this by-election which to be fair reform uh are slated to win from a lot of the

00:29:18.020 polling although it's a little bit closer but then of course it is uh gorton and denton which is up

00:29:23.640 near manchester isn't it this is it is matt matt goodwin uh is is sitting for yeah this this one

00:29:30.800 where andy burnham got snaked by keir starmer and uh just made the calculation that better to lose one

00:29:36.240 seat than my own premiership um but the the thing is and this is something we just haven't talked about

00:29:41.140 is the left is very willing to vote tactically yes it's incredible i mean this is what happened in

00:29:46.080 where it didn't look like plague cumri were going to win it and then they stormed it because it was

00:29:51.200 just tactical voting all right we're not going to vote for reform because he's an evil nazi uh and

00:29:55.600 then so we just vote for the plague cumri which the voters themselves didn't realize how left-wing

00:30:00.920 plague cumri was they didn't know what they're voting for they just thought right okay i've been

00:30:04.700 told nigel farad is a fascist so great i get you know gay race communism instead um this is entirely

00:30:11.020 likely to happen here yeah it's entirely likely so uh gorton and denton demographically is about

00:30:17.060 third muslim i'm not sure exactly what the percentage of over lanes the green percentage

00:30:22.300 then yeah right and so labor and greens they're going to be split between that uh and the white

00:30:28.180 working class is going to be split between labor reform and conservatives so and you can tell it's

00:30:33.340 working class seat because there's only two percent lib dems so you know only two percent of the

00:30:37.380 people in gorton and denton have big gardens so it's like right okay good to know um so the the

00:30:42.980 point is i mean it looks it looks like they're going to squeak it on paper but i think that come

00:30:47.380 the actual day they'll just be informal or like in memetic agreement where it's just like yeah okay

00:30:54.160 we're just going to vote for whoever's got the biggest just to be farage just to make sure the

00:30:57.680 fascists don't get another seat yep the conservatives i bet are the thing that split it as well because

00:31:03.800 usually about 10 you can expect so with the conservatives maybe reform if if the conservatives

00:31:09.580 didn't stand down mogg put out a video the other day saying we shouldn't be challenging the gorton

00:31:14.320 and denton by-election yep because we are probably going to snake that's what i was talking about and

00:31:18.380 farage has stood down for us in the past like it did in 2019 with boris so actually the honorable

00:31:23.600 thing to do would be because they've got no chance of winning it so what are you wasting your time and

00:31:27.800 your money and you know screwing it over for the right more broadly um but i think the

00:31:32.540 conservatives will run a person i think that the left will tactically vote and i think that reform

00:31:37.540 won't get it which is shame because i'd like to see matt goodwin in parliament i think far worse

00:31:41.640 people to see in parliament so you know now one final thing i did want to mention is that

00:31:46.940 and until 2029 august at that a lot can happen and what we have seen in the past is when there's

00:31:55.300 been a horrific attack um reform goes up in the polls and one thing that you can bet on is that

00:32:01.540 that's going to happen again and if it happens again and again then it might see reform no matter

00:32:07.720 what farage does people are just so desperate for a potential solution that they'll say well

00:32:12.540 maybe you've got a few tories but you know i'm still going to vote for you or it might flip some

00:32:17.580 other people seeing that okay i can see the damage that immigration is doing now i'm going to not vote

00:32:22.760 lib dem anymore in my quaint little village which is unlikely i don't think so until the actual

00:32:29.220 diversity gets their villages that's true but i have started to notice it actually in small villages

00:32:34.600 just random rothing people that i'm just like what are you doing here oh yeah and so it is permeating

00:32:42.280 into the into the countryside now yeah i know so i suppose we'll have to wait and see um how reform's

00:32:49.160 actually going to do here but there are points of concern but of course 2029 is a long way away

00:32:54.120 and so anything can happen um sigil stone says carl i just saw you tweet about the absurd casualty

00:33:00.320 rate of the american civil war war um the americans weren't incompetent actually i disagree uh you

00:33:06.080 weren't even using bayonets to shove people off positions uh there's a damn time to get into it but

00:33:11.260 actually from a european perspective the american forces in the american civil war were amateurs um

00:33:16.440 well no they were of angry people it's it's just strictly true and we literally would send

00:33:22.360 generals over and the generals like why don't you like they like there's a battle on a bridge

00:33:26.900 and they're shooting each other for ages and i think it was i can't remember if it was a prussian

00:33:31.520 or british general who's just like okay now put your bayonets on and go charge them off it

00:33:35.040 and they're like what do you mean it's like well that means they run away and you don't lose

00:33:39.020 way more men than you ought to have lost i don't want to get sidetracked on this but honestly americans

00:33:43.300 it's only in the 20th century you became an impressive military power i'm really sorry to

00:33:46.740 tell you um johan says remember tomorrow is international and alzut remembrance day that's

00:33:54.040 a that's a if you know you know meme isn't it uh anyway let's uh let's let's move on so i thought

00:33:59.720 we'd uh go inside the mind of a lib uh a lib who writes for the times because this is one of those

00:34:08.180 things where it's very wonderfully class coded and it shows you everything about the problem

00:34:15.900 with the elite class in this country so as you can see from giles corin the brother of victoria

00:34:21.780 corin mitchell uh he's he's a um food holiday writer at the times uh so someone who is just

00:34:29.580 a million miles away from real problems right this morning i canceled our family holiday to america

00:34:37.660 i cannot in good conscience take my wife and children there and and tell them they will be

00:34:42.020 safe the united states is no longer a place for decent people oh i'm sorry yeah yeah okay giles

00:34:48.380 right that's really interesting so this comes off the heels of the protester was it pretty getting

00:34:55.720 shot by the authorities now there's video came out just today actually i forgot to put it in this

00:35:01.540 because i read this yesterday uh of him literally running up to one of their cars and kicking the lights

00:35:06.580 off of it and scrapping with the cops and stuff like this and it's like okay so it's not that this

00:35:11.600 guy was just standing there and donald trump's gestapo walk around you do you vote democrat yes

00:35:17.180 right it's not that's not what happened it wasn't execution it was a guy resisting and it was a terrible

00:35:23.080 tragedy and if there are people involved in ice who made a mistake that they shouldn't have made

00:35:26.760 i mean two people i think it was been put on an administrative leave so clearly someone's made a

00:35:30.740 mistake but the point is it wasn't a targeted execution as giles is kind of implying here

00:35:35.760 well when i covered it it it seemed to be just a miscommunication agreed um someone says gun

00:35:42.520 yeah um a few seconds later someone takes the gun the other officers don't realize and so they shoot

00:35:47.700 and because the the handgun went off in the officer's hand because it was a sig a gunshot went off so

00:35:54.320 the officer thought he had been fired etc yeah so terrible tragedy but completely avoidable by not

00:36:02.220 running up and start kicking their car and physically abusing them and forcing them to wrestle you to the

00:36:07.160 ground right completely avoidable it when you see this kind of situation if your instinct is to attack

00:36:12.760 the police don't pretend that you're on the side of law and order but also just what do you think

00:36:20.420 the best possible outcome is you don't get shot right exactly entirely predictable outcome is that

00:36:26.540 you do get shot one of the problems with the the left though is that they fail in character syndrome

00:36:32.180 yeah they fail to perceive threats properly there's some sort of like mental disability there whereby

00:36:38.180 just threat perception like if there was someone with a gun however much i disagree with them

00:36:42.480 i would treat them with a certain degree of respect because i want to be alive you know what it is

00:36:47.820 right i know what this is this is because they've never been punched in the face that's probably

00:36:52.260 true and this is i've we've talked about my hatred in the middle class many a time josh and it's not

00:36:56.860 all bad all right i'm not saying you're about but you you've been punched in the face right like but a

00:37:01.200 lot of these people have not been punched in the face and so they don't understand what actual what

00:37:06.120 it actually is like to be in a kinetics experience in a situation right really they they think that

00:37:12.520 everything is actually discursive and that everything stops at the realm of we will talk

00:37:17.700 and then right and so when they start breaking this they have no idea what pain is like they don't

00:37:23.640 know how much physical force they're supposed to be applying to get to the position they want to be

00:37:27.420 in or how much can be applied to them because they have no experience with this and so this is what

00:37:32.720 this sort of like libtard oh i'm gonna go fight the cops like man you're just gonna get shot

00:37:36.880 at best you know you know at best you just get a beast you get arrested beaten there was a tear

00:37:43.220 gassed exactly i saw this guy getting beanbagged in the stomach and he's just oh and it's like

00:37:48.580 what did you think it was like you know what did you think it was like you idiot you're not meant

00:37:52.880 to be nice exactly you know oh you're not dead lucky for you could have been worse and probably will

00:37:58.680 be next time stop messing around but giles is like yeah i saw this terrible tragedy and accident and

00:38:05.980 entirely avoidable thing happen i was like right well now i just can't go to america

00:38:10.480 can't good conscience go there it's no longer a place for decent people this is one of the clearest

00:38:15.400 examples of a virtue signal it should be like printed off and used in textbooks this is the example of a

00:38:21.440 virtue signal because there's no reasonable reason to cancel your holiday to america unless you're going

00:38:28.100 to like minneapolis and you're an illegal migrant there's no reason to cancel your holiday

00:38:33.800 exactly the point like i was going to go on holiday to california well i can't go now it's

00:38:38.800 like what that what's that got to do with minneapolis you know i was going to go to new

00:38:41.820 england or wherever it's like saying there's a war in ukraine so i can't go to france yes actually

00:38:47.560 bad example no no but it's literally it's a continent you know it is it is an enormous place

00:38:54.040 and ice is operating in all of these other things it's just there's a problem in minneapolis that is

00:38:59.060 political so and i love them i can't take my wife there and tell them they'll be safe it's like

00:39:03.920 what you think that like six months ago you thought you would go south central la or something and tell

00:39:08.440 them they're safe and is then is the murder rate in these areas not something oh no doesn't bother

00:39:13.740 you right doesn't bother you at all no for some reason you've adopted the position that yes donald

00:39:18.060 trump might have my wife and children shot so i just think that's absurd right where it turns out

00:39:23.680 that he's going to someone like detroit no definitely not i mean this is this is giles

00:39:29.220 corin as you can see he's uh you know privately educated he's a journalist a restaurant critic

00:39:34.520 for the times it's like this this guy has such a soft life imagine you get paid to go to a

00:39:41.300 restaurant and eat a dinner there at the company's expense and then complain about it and then whine

00:39:46.740 about it like that's that's his career writer of the year at fortnum and mason just this this is the

00:39:57.100 softest man who has ever existed like all of human history all of the the wars the deaths the plagues

00:40:03.460 the struggles is all a giant pyramid upon which he stands on the top as the most privileged of

00:40:10.140 privileged people he's just sat there like yeah i'm gonna get my go get my soft hands a bit wet

00:40:15.080 by spilling gravy when i'm writing my like dude you you are an embarrassment it's genuinely

00:40:21.880 embarrassing and so we'll go to his article so bye america this time it's really over between us

00:40:25.920 like okay now i i realize that you can have a bit of vanity in this right because of the

00:40:31.400 way that you were brought up and the environment that you have and the connections that you have

00:40:35.900 allow you to be essentially a blogger at the times right the paper of record in britain right

00:40:41.760 and so if you're at that point you might think that your opinion your your your ego is that

00:40:47.960 important that this is something that you'd want to publish i wonder if the white house has responded

00:40:52.980 to this devastating yeah what was donald trump's but this is this is what he says right when authority

00:41:00.500 shot dead a middle-class mum at the wheel of her family car in minneapolis and then held down a nurse

00:41:05.580 and shot him several times in the head as he lay on the ground sam didn't have to say a word he just

00:41:10.160 tossed sunday paper down in front of me and put his hands on his hips the son this is uh and though

00:41:14.480 he said nothing he was right america was no longer a place for decent people and we will not be going

00:41:18.420 there right this is the thing right has giles have you seen the interracial rape rate in america right

00:41:25.760 have you seen the violence rate of black women have you seen the black on black crime rate in america

00:41:30.320 right have you seen the the rate of um just car crashes on the motorways in america right like there are so

00:41:38.960 have you seen the fentanyl zombies in the cities of america the homelessness in america like like it

00:41:45.840 just the the the mexican gangs operating in the south no it's this that is the problem i think it's

00:41:52.040 him that are saying well it's the middle class mum you know it's it's was she middle class i don't know

00:41:56.280 yeah she probably would have been you know she probably would have been also a lot of these problems

00:42:00.540 he's basically taking the perspective of you know evil ice and they're they're right wing and they're

00:42:05.420 they're rounding people up to shoot them but all the problems you've listed there have been created

00:42:09.660 by the the democrats really haven't they from the drug crisis to the feral population trump is trying

00:42:16.600 to solve these problems using ice you know and but ice up though ice wasn't perfect well it's not a

00:42:23.760 place for decent people oh well i'm so glad you're such a decent person giles there are millions of

00:42:29.040 americans who are struggling the problems that ice are trying to solve who are just like well i guess

00:42:34.400 we're just not decent people guys this is just go ahead sorry deaths by fentanyl have fallen yes

00:42:40.200 substantially yes and all kinds of crime has fallen precisely because ice is out on the streets

00:42:46.820 willing to round up anybody who shouldn't be there as tom homan said the other day when he went to

00:42:52.800 minneapolis how many children haven't been trafficked into america how many women have not been raped being

00:42:58.280 trafficked into america like you know we they have actually got the border sealed yep they've actually

00:43:04.320 done it and this guy's at one you're just not a place for decent people as if being a decent person

00:43:09.940 is predicated on having this drug and rape and child trafficking if you can't do that then you're

00:43:15.280 not a decent place i mean that's what decent is for the left but the point of this article in the first

00:43:19.740 place i think by him talking about decent people is that he's signaling to people like him listen i'm a

00:43:25.880 decent person but these people i i'm not associating with them and so the the purpose of the article

00:43:31.380 isn't really actually to talk about american politics at all it's to to say listen i'm i'm good

00:43:37.500 it's sort of like arguing you know i'm going to sound a bit like a misogynist here but it's sort of

00:43:42.080 like arguing with a woman in the the content of the argument isn't the important part it's the the

00:43:47.360 social aspects isn't it very much this is bourgeois social signaling not having a go ladies um by the

00:43:53.780 way just throwing that out there sure but the the point is he is giles is bourgeois social signaling

00:43:59.200 saying well our class can't tolerate this right yes exactly you know we we he's going to be writing

00:44:05.440 the same article if nigel farage wins absolutely he's he's going to be before the 2029 election

00:44:10.880 he'll be putting something out about how he might emigrate to america now yeah or canada probably or

00:44:17.600 canada uh and all of that load of nonsense and he's going to be signaling in exactly the same way

00:44:25.700 unless you know he gets mugged or something but it's it well yeah but the the exactly right so he

00:44:32.320 exists in a world in which all of the real problems of america that trump is currently trying to fix

00:44:38.480 they don't ever affect him obviously they don't affect him because the high-end restaurants in new

00:44:43.640 york don't have that problem exactly he's hire the illegals and he loves the waiter pedro exactly

00:44:48.680 he is he is sufficiently insulated from this and so he can afford the luxury morals of being a bourgeois

00:44:57.500 lip and look at the look at the this is the end of the article basically so we've booked a few days

00:45:02.860 in northumberland instead well you're gonna go slum in northumberland are you the kids have never seen

00:45:07.500 hadrian's wall it'll be cold and wet and the wall doesn't do much but the pubs are nice and you don't

00:45:11.740 get murdered right as as if as if the u.s government is just murdering tourists like again it's it and

00:45:22.340 this doesn't this just feel like a kind of led by donkeys thing right you know ipa beer drinking twat

00:45:29.280 who's just like well you know at least feeling very targeted carl i'm middle class and like an ipa

00:45:34.660 you're not a twat it's okay it's debatable but the point is like this charitable this whole thing

00:45:42.640 it it is just a bubble that is so remote from reality and this guy lives in this bubble where

00:45:50.900 he doesn't understand i mean like for example like he was going to go to america until this terrible

00:45:55.780 thing happened well america has got five times higher homicide rate than we do so what you were

00:46:01.280 going to go to florida or georgia or something do you know do you know what the chance of you being

00:46:05.680 killed there oh i'm not going to go there now i know donald trump's going to kill me but before

00:46:10.340 if it was just some rando on the street that was going to we were you going to go on the new york

00:46:14.460 subway system like are you mad you know like what is your perception of danger here well yeah saying

00:46:19.980 you supported black lives matter isn't going to stop you getting mugged i'm afraid absolutely not

00:46:24.120 or worse my favorite video of these guys was shouting we're on your side as their windows get

00:46:28.780 i know i love that but again it's about threat perception because like you say as he's going to

00:46:34.660 high-end restaurants in london or new york something yeah they're very very low threats

00:46:38.040 what do you mean i'm in danger you know but for some reason he thinks that donald trump might have

00:46:42.040 him and his family shot it's like yeah listen man you're just missing the point so anyway the uh the

00:46:46.520 responses to this were just gold obviously you know unless you were planning to take your wife and

00:46:50.780 children on a day out following ice agents harassing and assaulting them then you'll be fine you know

00:46:55.180 you're a virtue signaling wet wiped uh i literally laughed out loud at this but please seriously please

00:46:59.740 stay away forever you know it's just just just i can only imagine the impact that you can't a week

00:47:07.480 at disneyland while having global geopolitics like you know people were just like come on bro come on

00:47:13.500 just you're an idiot right but then uh people start pointing out well hang on a second giles

00:47:19.400 i mean here's you on holiday with your family in oman where homosexuality and transsexuality are

00:47:24.780 illegal marital rape and domestic abuse are legal an estimated 33 000 people mainly migrants are trapped

00:47:30.080 in legalized modern slavery yeah the boundless hypocrisy of the lib knows no limits but remember

00:47:40.780 when he goes on holiday he doesn't see this none of this no i went to a high-end restaurant in the

00:47:46.920 capital what are you talking about modern slavery for that happens in like the the plantations or

00:47:51.740 whatever right and so you had this going on because he just deserved he deserved this lampooning

00:47:57.920 because of the just complete detachment like it would have been better for him to have just said

00:48:02.540 nothing and write another restaurant review but then uh people have this exchange with him

00:48:07.180 and uh you know giles is like yeah the uk is the safest place on earth it's like lawrence

00:48:13.940 there's a report rape reported every 54 minutes in london and he's like do you really believe that

00:48:19.260 sorry sorry giles um yeah i do because i read it on the bbc and we're supposed to believe the bbc aren't

00:48:27.280 we aren't they a reliable source of information and obviously you can see the thing oh i just googled

00:48:31.880 that looks like it's true that f that's a lot of rapes okay giles how does that impact your worldview

00:48:38.960 how does that impact your worldview what do you believe about the world that you you you literally

00:48:44.420 two hours ago before like this you were like what a preposterous right-wing conspiracy oh it's in the

00:48:49.580 bbc the that's bad and the rape rate in london has gone up something like four times in the last 10

00:48:55.360 years so it's one of the most rape saturated places in the world so what what now giles how does

00:49:03.360 that change your perspective on the world what do you learn from this what do you you're right i

00:49:08.320 thought something that was not only completely wrong monstrous yes right this is monstrous every

00:49:15.720 hour a woman is held down and violated in your little safe bubble where nothing ever happens because

00:49:21.660 you're nowhere near the problems because you're sufficiently insulated because of your personal

00:49:25.880 class privilege how does that change your perspective do those people who are like look i i want ice

00:49:32.420 to get the illegals out of my community because we're worried about the rape rates around us too

00:49:37.800 does that change your opinion does anything change or do you just like does the bubble get pierced very

00:49:43.860 briefly and then pops back and you're right yeah no i don't need to worry about that that's not me

00:49:48.020 that's not my family that's not my wife that's not my kids or do you go okay no that is something

00:49:52.840 that's a problem and that's people who are just like me just they don't have my economic advantages

00:49:58.380 right so do do i want those people helped or do i sit there and virtue signal more about how trump's

00:50:04.880 isis eat an evil gestapo and they're bad decent people don't want that the question is does he have

00:50:12.100 a conscience and my initial answer is he doesn't uh i hope he has one i hope he develops one but that's

00:50:21.940 the fundamental question does he have a conscience if he has a conscience he can't stay with these

00:50:27.240 politics because he seemed like he genuinely had no idea that this was happening because of the

00:50:33.560 bubble that he lives in now that he knows there's a real question here giles do you have a conscience

00:50:39.920 and if you do you will have to retract some of the things that you've said and say i actually didn't

00:50:46.360 know and i'm going to keep my mouth shut while i learn about it yes but if he doesn't do that i think

00:50:53.020 the only fair conclusion is going to be this man doesn't have a conscience he just has socially

00:50:58.880 approved opinions that he will bleed on demand and also just a quick thing these people are a willing

00:51:04.900 sacrifice yes you know the the 22 000 rapes a year or whatever it is in london like no that's that's a

00:51:12.100 willing sacrifice for me to maintain my luxury beliefs my virtue status yeah pretty much there is also

00:51:16.560 another way of confronting this rather than accepting it and integrating it into his worldview which

00:51:21.420 is blaming it on misogyny which we see quite a lot well he didn't do that so i didn't to be fair

00:51:26.680 you know it's same question does he have a conscience why would men do this into it and look

00:51:33.380 into it why did it increase by 400 in x period of time what changed what changed precisely so it

00:51:40.980 boils down to the same question when these people are confronted with the facts if they don't change

00:51:45.440 their opinions you must assume that they are evil some of them you see them on video actually

00:51:49.640 struggling with with new ideas um god bless them i wish them the very best but you know here's

00:51:57.440 reality are you going to change your opinions everything becomes validated like suddenly it makes

00:52:05.760 more sense oh yeah no ice are preventing yeah the the rape rate of london right that's okay what do

00:52:13.780 you do giles that's that's the question you have to answer now you genuinely i realize you'll sit

00:52:18.120 there and go yeah but look at my nice comfortable office i'm not in any danger why can't i just be

00:52:24.380 blase about it why can't it be flippant why can't i just be like oh well is is that really happening

00:52:28.900 yeah no that's really happening there are really people suffering and actually it's the collective

00:52:33.380 opinion of the bourgeois upper class who are just like but i'm eating a lovely steak when i'm doing

00:52:39.960 my times review we should definitely tag him in this segment we should definitely tag him in this

00:52:45.820 segment and he'll be flippant and dismissive on twitter because that's all he does

00:52:49.720 well ben that's our conclusion would be validated that's true it's a lot of rapes anyway

00:52:55.600 magnus says american forces during the civil war rarely properly trained to european standards

00:53:00.160 uh videos exist on youtube going to detail how they didn't know how to aim rifled muskets

00:53:04.100 yeah i know what i'm saying is not controversial in any way shape or form it's just that um nor is

00:53:09.580 it an attack it's just a fact yeah it's just a fact right it's just the americans don't know that

00:53:13.260 um matt says there are five or six cities and that will drive up u.s homicide rate due to gang

00:53:17.620 violence yeah i'm aware uh outside of these cities the u.s is as safe or safer than europe i'm aware

00:53:22.240 because it's just a normal you know european colony um but anyway right let's let's move on

00:53:28.680 thank you sir um so i don't know if you've seen this recently well i'm sure you have but um current

00:53:39.600 home secretary secretary and former justice secretary shabana mahmoud uh had come out at the

00:53:46.240 tony blair institute i believe speaking to tony blair and said that her hope is to achieve a panopticon

00:53:54.880 i covered this yes segment breaking it down because they were introducing oh thank you

00:54:00.000 introducing pre-crime so they're using ai and creating a map of england and wales to predict

00:54:08.220 where the crime is going to happen before it happens well i'm sure that the ai will turn out

00:54:14.320 to be racist and then they'll scrap it but let's not discuss that yet heriferts in birmingham

00:54:18.800 will i never yeah it's crossed but uh you know on top of that she's made some massive or she's

00:54:27.180 proposed massive changes to how policing is done in britain and the summary of it includes a

00:54:35.480 nationwide police ai to achieve her panopticon dream but i wanted to first put that in another

00:54:42.940 context which is a political context and it's got to do with how government in britain is

00:54:49.000 fundamentally changing what we're seeing essentially is that local elections are cancelled or a bunch of

00:54:55.560 local elections are cancelled because what's happening is that the local councils who are typically

00:55:02.400 small and report try their best to address local concerns are all being amalgamated into ever bigger

00:55:11.420 areas um and this is clearly an attempt at centralizing government it's all being done in

00:55:17.540 the name of efficiency as is everything else that's happening including scrapping the jury trials

00:55:22.200 um but this also has other effects and i want to discuss those briefly with you

00:55:29.820 typically when you amalgamate councils you add big urban areas or the local urban areas to rural areas

00:55:38.820 and this has a number of secondary effects the rural areas because they're less populated get sidelined

00:55:46.780 because they have less voters in them and therefore they are less important to actually

00:55:51.620 winning an election so the ability of your local council to respond to you is diminished not only that

00:55:59.160 the the dispersal of the rural areas makes networking coordination more difficult as well exactly it's far

00:56:05.360 more the the cities are easier to coordinate in just by density alone yep absolutely absolutely and

00:56:11.820 you can't separate the sidelining of rural areas from the attack on farmers and farming

00:56:16.360 because one of the things that farmers represent is an institutional memory it's an attachment to place

00:56:24.580 and people say again it's a yeomanry it's a yeomanry yes the kulaks you know yes exactly

00:56:30.100 out there there's some there are power base the eternal enemies of the communists exactly there

00:56:34.160 there are a power base that exists outside of government control yes well it's fundamentally

00:56:38.780 the city asserting its authority over the countryside is going on here and of course the countryside being

00:56:44.780 a sort of live well of um native sentiment and and actual native people as well and so it's

00:56:52.260 the sort of last unconquered area um of just why you constantly see the articles about

00:56:58.340 how unbearably white the british countryside is and how inherently racist the british countryside is

00:57:04.860 and all of this nonsense that is intended to attack identity and place and attachment and linkages

00:57:13.420 between identity and place i've even seen articles where they're trying to get foreign people to be

00:57:19.480 farmers here and it's like sorry don't they have lands of their own that they can farm like

00:57:23.980 historically this would have been the result of a conquest right uh an enemy army comes in conquers

00:57:30.120 and then all of the existing people are either killed or driven out and their lands are literally

00:57:33.920 parceled up to the enemy soldiers so they can have them as homesteads yes i mean this is what the

00:57:39.380 romans did all the time and so for the british government like yeah so what we want is a bunch of

00:57:44.420 foreign farmers being placed in these lands like sorry that's post-conquest we're settled particularly

00:57:50.220 insane about bringing in farmers from countries that typically rely on food aids to come farmland in

00:57:58.200 britain which is an agricultural powerhouse and would be even more so if the farmers were unleashed

00:58:05.540 and allowed to be productive and given due concern well you get a zimbabwe situation just handing

00:58:11.260 farmland to far less competent people the detriment of everyone that's going to work out brilliantly

00:58:17.240 just a quick aside as well britain has great farmland as well yeah some of the best in the

00:58:21.840 world actually um a lot that you can find a map of um just um arable lands and the quality of the

00:58:28.560 land and you realize oh britain's really lucky because we're on the gold stream and we're at the

00:58:32.080 top of northwestern europe and we've got loads of rain and loads of vegetation so our our land is

00:58:37.000 great it's surprising the rain is often so mild yeah yeah it's beautiful to walk in the rain in

00:58:43.240 this country it's amazing um it's also worth mentioning that many people from other european

00:58:48.760 countries come here and say your grass is actually greener here yes yes in a literal sense it really

00:58:54.060 is yeah go anywhere in south europe actually and the grass is genuine like the the entire place is lush

00:58:59.240 but anyway i'll stop yeah uh so not only do the rural areas get sidelined as you amalgamate these

00:59:06.300 councils and sort of remove local representation it also strengthens political parties because you

00:59:13.560 stand a chance of winning a seat as an independent in a small local area where everybody knows you and

00:59:20.020 they know you from church and they know you from the market and they know you from uh all kinds of

00:59:25.580 pre-existing social networks but you have no chance of winning as an independent in a much bigger area

00:59:33.980 because you simply don't have these connections and don't have these networks as broadly as the

00:59:39.820 political parties do you would have to be a supremely important person in your local area yes for you to be

00:59:46.060 able to muster the kind of voting block that you need exactly i mean it can happen but very rarely

00:59:50.940 exactly and so the smaller the area is the easier it is for local political talent that is genuinely

00:59:59.420 representative and attached to place to actually succeed and so when you make these changes you're

01:00:07.660 eliminating that independent competition which also means as a consequence that it's a lot easier to drop

01:00:14.940 in career politicians and to create and farm a battery of career politicians who understand that their

01:00:23.260 existence depends on the party and who understands that obeying the party line not local concerns is the

01:00:30.140 actual path to power yes so these changes have all of these other effects and the last effect that i want

01:00:36.540 to mention is that when you bring these urban areas in you also bring in the ethnic dynamic because you

01:00:45.260 typically find migrants in urban areas not in rural oxfordshire and so if you are an enterprising party

01:00:55.020 what you will work on is building up these ethnic voter banks and use them to crush the opposition and make

01:01:03.820 sure that you win so the value of a british vote gets reduced in every single way and the potential for

01:01:13.820 local talent to emerge is reduced and it's difficult not to see this as deliberate and to be fair this

01:01:22.060 isn't just labor doing this the conservatives were also heavily involved and all under the name of better

01:01:29.260 efficiency etc etc a quick um aside on this is if you really wanted to fix the party system in this

01:01:37.740 country uh you would have it so that the person who applies for a seat has to have physically resided

01:01:44.540 there for a period of say 10 years yep because then it's not just one parliament so they can't just be

01:01:49.740 like okay well i know that in five years time like you know we're gonna have an election so i'll buy a house

01:01:55.180 there like farage has done in clacton right now you've got to be there for 10 years and then you

01:02:00.300 can actually stand as the candidate in that location that's the only place in the country you can stand

01:02:04.780 instead of because i mean that the conservatives did this with rishi sunak and richmond in yorkshire

01:02:09.180 so he's from southampton that was a parachute i mean it's a completely safe seat yeah well who made

01:02:12.940 that decision right in the goldman sachs bank i guess or like with labor like with any of them like

01:02:18.540 with andy burnham i mean maybe i don't know whereabouts andy burnham actually lives but like you know in

01:02:23.100 this case like they just would just parachute our guys in it's like no no no no if you want to

01:02:27.340 actually fix the political system in this country one of the things that you have to do is make sure

01:02:31.580 that the person is from the place that they're representing that was one of the strengths of

01:02:36.060 conservative party local associations that was one of the key strengths that they could in fact

01:02:42.380 provide this representation under a political party and build a pretty broad coalition within the

01:02:48.700 conservative party that actually did make it for a very long time the natural party of government

01:02:53.580 it was a success in this way it was a it was a genuinely good thing which is why you know it it

01:02:58.780 is heartbreaking to see it become what it has become what it is in the modern day though it's a kind of like

01:03:03.660 rotten borough situation yes where it's just like i mean like for us shouldn't have been able to just

01:03:09.020 parachute himself into clangton correct you know this is the thing like these things are bad for the

01:03:14.540 democratic process but sorry carry on oh absolutely absolutely um but this is also happening at a time

01:03:21.260 when the value of any local authority is increasingly just administrative um they don't have a say in what

01:03:30.540 they do so they're being forced to sort of provide endless personal transportation budgets for people

01:03:38.140 who claim disability so sorry this is one of the sorry to interrupt but i but this is one of the

01:03:43.500 things that reform when they're like we've won a bunch of councils right zia yousef is going to go

01:03:48.140 in there and we're going to doze uk this yeah and they realized oh no all of these are set by

01:03:52.620 the government exactly central authority has said you will do these things and they're like all right

01:03:57.020 actually we have to raise taxes by five percent yep yeah you've got no choice like there's these people

01:04:02.140 have got no choice so they have to finance all kinds of taxis to go to school they have to provide

01:04:13.260 this person is complaining because her kids transport to school costs 18 000 pounds a year

01:04:20.700 i don't know her personal circumstances or his what are you going by train i i i don't understand what's

01:04:28.620 going on here mad but that's mad yeah the idea that the the this that this that this would happen

01:04:37.020 i mean that's one child's transport to school was costing 193 000 pounds if like where with the

01:04:44.140 previous one whereabouts in the country were they uh this is supposedly birmingham right that's probably

01:04:49.580 a deposit on a modest house yes so get get a house closer yeah like literally get a house so they're

01:04:56.380 in walking distance of the school it's this is mad this is this is crazy stuff that's being financed

01:05:04.540 and when you look at uh how much the actual spending is pre-committed it's it's it's pretty

01:05:14.460 it's pretty extreme i think i have something okay fine you're going nearer of being an immigrant taxi

01:05:21.020 driver though right yeah yeah yeah absolutely it's the school run boys you know absolutely it's that

01:05:25.660 meme of them flipping so it's lights up a disabled child yeah i'm going to put this without sound

01:05:33.260 uh yeah council the actual nothing council budget is a very small contribution because the central

01:05:39.020 government controls everything five pounds is got is going to education 5.4 pounds in every 10 pounds is

01:05:47.900 going to education um another three pounds out of every 10 is being spent on social work and that's

01:05:55.740 all kinds of welfare and and uh for the elderly and special education all that then another 55p in every

01:06:03.580 pound on environment and net zero and so it's not just environment necessary it's also uh administrate

01:06:10.940 infrastructure upkeep and things like this clearing out the drains and stuff like that so you actually

01:06:16.300 want to i assume that's under roads which is 31p in every 10. um no no that'll be something

01:06:23.900 different like okay it because it might be under environment yes sweden borough council a couple

01:06:28.540 years ago sent us a big breakdown basically 80 of our council tax bill was just redistributive it was

01:06:34.620 like for taxis for disabled pretty much pretty much very small amounts of it were being spent on

01:06:39.580 uh dredging rivers and things like this which actually prevent floods and all you know

01:06:43.500 the actual upkeep of the country so and and here you see another example in in in scotland as to how

01:06:50.380 the spending is going you see yeah welfare education okay education is important but i mean it is pretty

01:06:59.580 expensive housing and benefits another 14p and then the rest they have pretty much nothing yeah the actual

01:07:06.540 things like so the actual authority of local authorities has already been gutted yeah i mean you could

01:07:12.140 basically half this budget like i'm sorry i don't want housing property and housing property and

01:07:17.580 benefits no they can read not my problem right not my problem i don't want that going social care

01:07:23.100 and so what not my problem get a charity you know and i'll donate to charities you know i'm more than

01:07:27.740 happy because you know you make it a tax write-off or whatever i'm happy to donate to a charity

01:07:31.820 most charitable country in the world per per pound spent oh interesting because i have to pay so much

01:07:38.460 goddamn tax i don't give anything to charity these days but if i didn't is a charity exactly if you

01:07:43.340 didn't have to pay these taxes people would be much more inclined to provide charity but when charity

01:07:48.460 becomes centralized and government funded it stops being actually charity and it becomes mandatory

01:07:53.580 and it's definitely just an opening for scams well the the best thing about it being charitable is that

01:07:58.460 you can choose whether someone is worthy or not whereas if it's the government then they blanketly say

01:08:04.300 you know as many people as possible we can't deny it becomes because you have local authority and

01:08:08.940 local responsibility and you know who's in need and who isn't and you know that if you give your

01:08:13.980 money to the town drunk he's just gonna piss it away but you know that john smith has had a really

01:08:19.420 bad year and his children need help yeah i would actually like so disabled kid exactly i'm happy to help

01:08:25.260 a disabled exactly exactly but when you say well i can claim 18k from the taxpayer just for transportation

01:08:32.620 for one child for one year that's just mad so the actual authority of local authority has been gutted

01:08:39.820 already and local democracy has been gutted already and the structure that is being created is intended

01:08:46.460 to centralize power even further and that's the context in which this police reform is happening

01:08:54.460 because the intent is to make local police forces there are currently 43 different police bodies in

01:09:01.500 england and they are going to be amalgamated into 12 or maybe 14 and they will be made to respond

01:09:10.700 to the leaders of these new amalgamated authorities whose connection to the local community has been gutted

01:09:18.140 and that's the context that you should see it in it's going to have a lot more focus on ethnic

01:09:23.420 grievances because the parties involved will have to look at the ethnic voter banks and cities

01:09:29.580 it's going to involve an ai panopticon she's literally decided to build that and she's trying

01:09:36.540 to make it real it was insane by the way that she explicitly said that like if you think that keep

01:09:41.900 your mouth shut and to tony blair at his institute it is it couldn't have been his connection to larry

01:09:48.780 ellison whose dream is to be able to watch everyone all the time to make them behave better it just

01:09:57.340 shows absolute lunacy this is the government that's just come out and said look we're going

01:10:02.940 to abolish jury trials yes again that's just unthinkable like go back 10 years never think

01:10:07.980 that would come out of a politician's mouth absolutely just mad uh and the magna carta apparently supports

01:10:13.980 this oh well no that's what he was claiming right no no christianity supports it oh is that what he

01:10:19.500 claimed god told him he has to abolish jury trials i don't think christianity says much about jury trials

01:10:25.260 actually i'm gonna say something that i'm gonna don't don't fine but certain people shouldn't claim

01:10:31.340 to be speaking to god that's all i'm gonna say david lammy well you fat keeping my mouth

01:10:37.580 god could have given him the answers in that mastermind episode couldn't he yeah exactly why

01:10:43.340 wasn't he speaking to you then sorry it's in this context that pete north points out that this white

01:10:47.420 paper pretty much completely abolishes local policing yeah and makes it much less responsive to local

01:10:55.500 concerns and this is the main problem accountability exactly a group of residents who have been mistreated by

01:11:01.820 the authorities would be able to directly confront at an administrative level

01:11:07.260 the problem yes but if this is then not my computer says no you're gonna have to go talk

01:11:11.900 to the guy and head off okay where's that oh 500 miles away good luck good luck getting through the

01:11:17.100 bureaucracy phone them up and you'll be on hold for a long time exactly so jesus why would you want that

01:11:22.060 exactly and nobody's talking about this policing change or it's not being discussed anywhere near enough

01:11:28.540 it's not being discussed anywhere near enough uh so they're abolishing the police and crime

01:11:33.580 commissioners which were absolutely useless but they're replacing them with the mayors and with

01:11:40.380 these new boards that they're establishing through these local councils that are designed to be

01:11:45.420 non-responsive so they tried to make them responsive through this whole elected pccs it failed and now they

01:11:53.260 are saying that again they're trying to make them more responsive but the actual reality is that they cannot be

01:12:00.140 because of the way elections are changing it's impossible to achieve that goal with these tools

01:12:05.980 and with these political structures that's what they're trying to do and the whole thing doesn't in

01:12:16.060 any way address the actual problems with policing now they're going to make bobby's be forced to have a

01:12:24.060 license to have to ask you if you have a license like there's a new license to practice for police

01:12:31.180 officers before they can ask you if you have a license which is just sort of levels of parody and

01:12:38.540 stupidity that i didn't think were imaginable if i was trying to write a comedy skit which i wouldn't be

01:12:45.020 able to do because i'm rubbish at that i couldn't imagine something that stupid but imagine a situation where

01:12:51.580 you get the police and they're asking you for your license mate and then there's you call the police

01:12:55.740 on the police to ask them for their license license no you don't busted it's exchange papers with people

01:13:03.580 also the absurdity of it is that what other police forces exist other than the ones owned by the state

01:13:10.300 where a license is necessary in the in the sense that conceptually it's this reaction of a civil

01:13:18.380 servant to a problem that they have no understanding of whatsoever that's all that it is because

01:13:25.180 presumably if you work for the police you have been approved of practicing policing because you

01:13:31.100 work for the police you're under arrest where's your police and license oh he's rumbled me i'm under

01:13:36.860 arrest it's just it's so stupid you can see a chain leading all the way up to the home office

01:13:43.500 of people being under arrest for sort of not renewing their license to license to license

01:13:48.220 it's just i don't understand how this is happening it's because when you've only got one tool every

01:13:55.260 problem looks like a nail yeah it's like what else they they don't know what else to do we'll just put

01:14:00.140 a license in obviously license license so as as this guy described it it said mot for the police which is just

01:14:07.100 madness i mean fine like like but isn't that something you do internally that you are constantly

01:14:13.180 you have a college of policing and you have endless guidelines and you have an annual

01:14:17.900 adding guidelines and you have an annual review and you're just adding layers and layers and layers

01:14:23.900 of bureaucracy on top of it in a drive for efficiency and cutting costs but it's clearly a political thing

01:14:33.420 because the natural conclusion of this from statements that starmer has made is to build

01:14:39.100 some kind of national gendarmerie yeah and is to centralize control of the police in the hands of

01:14:45.340 political authorities and end the idea of any kind of independent police now the idea of an independent

01:14:51.100 police has been a bit rubbish because the head of the police union is some guy called mukund krishna

01:14:59.820 probably that's right yeah and and my comment was is that the guy's name or is it a side dish

01:15:05.500 i don't i don't know the answer to that but apparently he's the head of the police union and he's on 700k a

01:15:13.420 year well i looked this up the police union is actually um a member funded independent body so

01:15:20.140 he's looting his members he is looting his members that's correct so you put the indian guy on top of

01:15:25.740 british policing federations and what the first thing he was the first thing he does is loot them

01:15:30.860 possibly but there's a lesson to be learned there but of course shabana mahmoud isn't going to

01:15:35.500 internalize that lesson the thing about this though this is this strikes me as the kind of met-ization

01:15:40.060 of british policing yes because the met is just a bunch of diversity hires and high-vis jackets at this

01:15:45.980 point yes whereas if you think about the local village bobby who lives just around the corner

01:15:51.900 and you'll see patrolling around in his tall hat however and just being normal like police officers

01:15:57.660 used to be yep um this is the end of that right this is the increasing administration administration

01:16:04.620 of the thing to turn into just a universal met which i don't want to bring up old england for a

01:16:11.820 second you might be able to cast your mind back but it it happened to me just about the sort of

01:16:17.260 tail end of it where an elderly person would see you they would see that you're tall um it happened to

01:16:22.700 me a lot um where and and they'd say oh you're tall aren't you you ever going to join the police

01:16:29.580 the implication being that you're tall they specifically hired tall men yeah exactly hired intimidating men who

01:16:35.820 could keep order that's the whole purpose it's going the opposite way it's small women in tiny

01:16:40.300 high-vis jackets yeah so to come to sort of hammer your point home josh 65 of police time is spent on

01:16:49.420 non-crime tasks only a third of police time is actually spent on dealing with crimes why would

01:16:56.620 a police officer ever interact with a task that wasn't a crime right wouldn't why wouldn't why don't

01:17:03.260 you just have non-police officer administrators to deal with mental health crises public welfare whatever

01:17:08.940 blah blah whatever the nonsense so it's basically the conversion of the police into

01:17:14.220 social welfare social workers into social workers exactly into social workers that's actually an area

01:17:19.740 where having women on the the force is quite useful because they're normally quite good at dealing with

01:17:25.740 that sort of thing why have them as police officers i agree just have you know this is an administrative

01:17:33.100 body that deals with those particular things that are non-crime tasks police officers deal with

01:17:38.540 crimes you also have um you know community support officers as well which is i've not entirely figured

01:17:45.500 out what they do i don't understand what they do that is also a thought that's been passed on to me by

01:17:51.020 many police officers as well you know what i think it is i think it's all psychological

01:17:54.220 to make you see that there are people you think yeah yeah because they they're wearing like the

01:17:58.140 high-vis body yep jacket or whatever you think all right okay so there is a police force around it's

01:18:02.780 like no not really no they aren't they aren't and so she's not actually addressing that in this reform

01:18:10.940 and what she's creating is another british fbi sorry sorry sorry can we just keep that on

01:18:17.340 british fbi i constantly see lefties going well we need to do yankification

01:18:21.260 so where's your complaint about this well the not only that this is the third british fbi in the

01:18:30.220 last 20 years oh brilliant and all of them have absolutely failed because they end up involving

01:18:37.420 civil servants in police work this guy cites an example where they had somebody who was in charge

01:18:43.260 of food standards who was given a senior role in the serious crime office and then national crime

01:18:52.460 agency happened nothing improved and now they're trying to do it again but this time they're attaching

01:18:58.300 to it the panopticon we keep creating these administrative centralized bodies and things are

01:19:04.060 not getting better exactly you're gonna have to create another one we just don't have enough

01:19:07.180 exactly exactly the irony is that she's doing this supposedly to make the the whole thing more

01:19:14.380 responsive and align with government but it's not going to apply to wales

01:19:20.380 she's giving the wealth the finger and i thought that i should include that you know

01:19:25.340 as an honorable mention every time labor do something for us should make a big press conference out of it

01:19:29.580 and so no we're going to undo this and we're going to go further you know yes devolve everything you

01:19:33.740 know no we're going to like literally just he should be saying keir starman shibana mahoud

01:19:37.900 keep going do whatever you like because the second we're in it's all gone exactly i've got a list

01:19:42.620 right that's the next thing that's going on there keep wasting your time keep wasting everyone's money

01:19:47.260 because i'm just going to tear all this up the second i get in vote reform that's what you should be

01:19:51.820 doing man and apparently this new police agency is going to run into a conflict with mi5 because

01:19:57.500 it's being given responsibility for counter-terrorism which is typically mi5's

01:20:02.940 yeah beat and usually they're pretty territorial as well yes all of these bodies are insanely

01:20:09.180 terrible end in tears so go justify their own existences exactly so this is ridiculous as a

01:20:17.660 reform policy for the policing especially because it doesn't address issues like the prison system

01:20:23.100 being completely broken and hiring 18 year old girls to police hardened criminals which is an insane

01:20:30.540 idea and hiring migrants to work as prison officers which is another insane idea it doesn't address the

01:20:37.660 problem with the courts and the fact that the judges are giving sentences that can only be explained

01:20:44.140 by genuine enmity to the victims of crime none of this is addressed instead shabana mahoud is engaged in

01:20:51.500 another bureaucratic exercise that is obviously aimed at reducing accountability at a time when everybody's

01:20:59.100 complaining that the main problem with this government is that and in the previous governments

01:21:03.340 has been total lack of accountability so this is a horrible idea but the broader political context

01:21:11.900 matters and it's part of a process of disenfranchisement dispossession and abuse that's been going on

01:21:18.860 since stony blair came into power france should really just get a giant billboard that he wheels out

01:21:24.300 after every press conference like right this is what we're going to get rid of and then the next one

01:21:27.900 this is what we're going to get rid of and then every every time they do something like this

01:21:31.420 jury trials no everyone's getting a jury trial you know oh so even david lammy even david lammy when

01:21:37.500 he gets on trial for treason like you know oh this we're going to centralize all the police no we're

01:21:41.180 going to decentralize the police and allow them self-regulate and actually be good rather than

01:21:45.740 useless and he should just have this list so every time he is ever on camera you see the list of things

01:21:52.140 he's going to undo just like literally all of these really unpopular maneuvers that the

01:21:56.860 liberal government doing that they don't have a mandate for no i'm going to undo all of this and

01:22:00.540 every time he's on camera on that you know they'll see it every time you look out the window there'll be

01:22:05.020 a police officer trunchening a criminal it's going to be beautiful i mean that would be brilliant

01:22:11.020 that would definitely improve yeah life that'd be great anyway let's uh let's have a look at the comments

01:22:15.900 here uh yeah um kasa duen says wets don't understand that short-term suffering must be

01:22:22.460 in effect of fixing our current problem whether it's getting illegals out by force or uh depriving

01:22:27.340 disabled children of taxis um yeah um and uh yeah we can't expect uh giles corin's opinions to change

01:22:34.380 but have we got video comments today samson and i'll read some from the website uh cumbrian kulak says

01:22:38.540 sov reform and faraj zahawi joining was an absolute absolute fatal uh man of biblical evil pushing

01:22:44.380 the mark of the beast yeah i know people forget very quickly that he was completely for the

01:22:48.060 lockdowns vaccine mandates and vaccine passports uh just what are you doing night i mean were you

01:22:55.260 for lockdowns i kind of remember was niger france for lockdowns i know he was clapping for the nhs but

01:22:59.980 well he was a bit quiet about it really wasn't he yeah he is yeah i think so binary says uh faraj will

01:23:06.780 not break the wheel but instead be lashed to it so yeah that's what's going to happen um sorry did we

01:23:11.500 have video comments samson yeah richard says uh the most the history of the most recent converts to

01:23:18.780 reform rather than pushing over the line uh i know will rather condemn them into the seven

01:23:24.460 secs of hell faraj is revealing that he has nothing he's become the monster he sports slaughter uh

01:23:30.380 i was never under any illusions student of history i paid attention all my life but i know who said what

01:23:35.820 and did nothing it's a long list and faraj has been on it for years well i mean yeah but at least he

01:23:41.340 did get brexit right like so there is you can see and that was a 20 30 year campaign right so which is

01:23:50.060 worthy of respect exactly so you could see from like a voter's perspective like oh right well he

01:23:54.620 campaigned for i remember i'm going for years about brexit so if he's now like yeah okay i need to fix

01:23:59.500 the british government to fix britain okay maybe here's the guy to do it right i mean he was persistent

01:24:04.220 enough and pugnacious enough in the previous issue and he won so maybe maybe this is the guy and so

01:24:11.020 why would you get all of these losers yeah i just don't uh hector says nigel keeps injecting himself

01:24:17.500 with venom hoping he'll become immune whilst everyone else uh sees reform reforms flesh necrotizing yeah

01:24:25.100 well honestly that's a good image but it's kind of true he's taking the mithridates angle and it's like

01:24:32.460 okay man but you would already won you know you're undermining your own victory here

01:24:39.420 alex says frarge is engaged in is engaged in a kind of cargo cult politics trying to recreate

01:24:45.020 blairism not knowing that blairism is only made possible by centralized media control so spin and

01:24:49.740 headlines dictate public opinion you know what's really weird i'm i'm listening to an audiobook of

01:24:54.460 alistair campbell's diaries from sorry 1997 to like 2001 or whatever it was right and aside from

01:25:01.660 the insane heady uh ego fluffing where he thinks that princess diana was flirting with him in front

01:25:07.820 of his wife okay alistair i'm sure she was i'm sure she's like wow he's so handsome she's just meant to

01:25:13.580 be an interpersonally nice person from and he he is yeah that's what i've heard and he's taking it as

01:25:18.780 raw floor flirting because of his animal magnetism um but he he keeps going on about how good the press was

01:25:25.580 for them they kept getting banger press and they couldn't believe their luck and it's like yeah

01:25:30.300 isn't it interesting how they like he frames everything as we're we're we're outsiders we're

01:25:35.180 gonna come in fighting and we're gonna you know we're the underdogs and we get to the top but he

01:25:38.860 finds it all very oiled right the way it is very oiled there's very little friction uh to get them

01:25:44.300 there and then literally like the day after diana dies like tony blair has the media completely on

01:25:52.540 side but they were already on side so what should have been a really difficult day is actually quite

01:25:57.180 an easy day you know the whole thing like even getting into government very positive press coverage

01:26:02.620 and everything is just slick and it's and and at no point does alistair campbell like reflect on

01:26:08.060 this he doesn't think about it at all so one of his strong suits no uh anyway warlord wutu

01:26:13.980 thai says normally reform voters have insane double think about this they will gloat about reform

01:26:18.140 making taking the best of the tories while simultaneously rallying against every traitor who got

01:26:22.460 us into the state of affairs um i'm not i don't i mean i just you would why would you take nadine

01:26:29.340 dores why do you think nadine's i suppose he can raise money okay okay fair enough don't give him

01:26:36.700 don't make him the chancellor then yeah like don't make him you know put him as an advisor you know

01:26:42.540 why give any of these people real power um oliver though says i'm with carl sweller is great for reform

01:26:48.780 jenrich less so but the other guy is a complete fail well i like sweller because she at least has

01:26:52.620 a consistent history of being quite a hardline right winger right so she has a believable narrative

01:26:57.980 on this but jenrich's is a lot less believable it's kind of saw like you know road to damascus

01:27:03.660 conversion where it's like oh yes i i saw the light two years ago i mean smuggling afghans

01:27:10.300 if his stories about the conservatives being nasty to him for things that he said are true

01:27:18.460 maybe it might be genuine but i have zero trust in the guy yeah i just um

01:27:26.700 he generally inspires zero confidence the way that he speaks everything about him does not inspire

01:27:32.940 confidence if you've ever had a blue rosette on you you shouldn't be trusted that's as simple as it

01:27:37.980 should be taken really i i don't think faraj should have let any former tories in at all

01:27:43.900 and he would have been in a much stronger position i think i mean he was because it used to be he like

01:27:50.300 like eight months ago he was saying i'll never take liz trust or sweller braveman or any of them

01:27:54.780 because i don't know damaging our brand was literally his words and what was he 35 in the polls

01:28:00.620 like consistently on average and so it's just like why are you letting them damage the brand now

01:28:06.140 um ian says current perspective is a perfect representation of tds it's like they're all

01:28:11.260 programmed the boolean subroutine that makes them do and say insane things uh if there's the slightest

01:28:16.780 chance that trump is involved and yes honestly that's basically it that's basically the case

01:28:22.620 um it is literally if it is pro trump or you know like trump is somehow the commander of the thing

01:28:30.780 then the thing has to be bad it is reactive entirely reactive yep um derek says second segment

01:28:38.620 this is what happens when you've been molly coddled your entire life and believe you're the main

01:28:42.140 character of your story and you believe everything that's been told to you by the big box the

01:28:46.540 television uh the day of reckoning cannot come fast enough yeah i know and alex tolemy says the

01:28:51.340 never been punched in the face thing is true after any good was shot her wife screamed why are you using a

01:28:55.740 real bullet because it's a gun like what a question how do you run him over exactly yeah

01:29:06.300 the guy had internal bleeding he didn't know that you weren't trying to kill him you know you you hit

01:29:10.380 him with your car they're naive spoiled children who can't imagine consequences ever being inflicted

01:29:15.420 on them yeah it's because they've always been insulated by them and it's the same with you know

01:29:19.580 with all of them and it's just like well you know uh anonymous says uh giles could see slaves in front

01:29:28.540 of him in omar but he would pay no mind it's what happens when people go to china they ignore the beggar

01:29:33.900 gangs that are right in front of them yeah it's mad isn't it yeah geordie swordsman says posh

01:29:38.620 southerners are coming to north underland i can hear my reeva ancestors asking how much ransom i can get

01:29:43.340 for him well and that's another thing that annoyed me about it as well so oh i can't go to america i'll

01:29:50.140 go to northumberland northumberland's beautiful what are you talking about the countryside is gorgeous in

01:29:56.220 like you know the northeast is still like pristine england like i hate these people so much man i hate

01:30:02.540 the middle class just just despicable well i'm middle class and i hate them there are some good

01:30:09.500 ones i presume yeah i know us but that's because we're essentially class traitors in this way well

01:30:15.980 seriously if you want to rub their faces in reality you are a class traitor these are sort of new

01:30:21.020 middle class you know how like there's new money and old money they're sort of old middle class and

01:30:25.740 then there's new middle class the old middle class tends to be a bit more comfortable in their position

01:30:29.740 and therefore they're okay going against some of the orthodoxies i think that rubbing their faces in

01:30:35.900 reality is good it's fun do it more um omar says i feel like i've become much more cynical about

01:30:41.820 these things in recent years if a council wasting absurd sums on anything uh if if a council is wasting

01:30:47.580 absurd sums on anything i wonder what the uncle or cousin owns the business being contracted to carry

01:30:52.220 it out well that's the thing isn't it you know these taxi drivers just like brilliant you know just

01:30:57.020 brilliant and how many of these are even valid as well like how many of these are real so oh my

01:31:02.140 disabled son needs money to go to the thing it's like well the government's just going to give out

01:31:05.740 that money and then like with somalia's the these are child daycare centers so they'll just develop

01:31:11.820 disabilities man they develop all kinds of they'll develop disabilities but will they still get the

01:31:16.300 taxi to pick them up or will it just be a split yeah here's a kickback right yeah as in i won't go to

01:31:21.820 work the government will pay me and i'll give you some money and then we'll just keep on this grift

01:31:26.380 forever who knows and i'm totally with omar i'm a bit cynical about this i'm sorry yep um daniel

01:31:33.420 says uh knew someone who worked in the call center police call center when they were talking about

01:31:37.500 combining the wiltshire and oxford to call centers as if that makes sense um she knew a little of

01:31:43.500 swindon but nothing of salisbury so how was she meant to help if i phone from salisbury uh this was

01:31:48.140 back before covid so centralization of police was not just a labor thing oh none of yeah almost none of

01:31:52.700 these things are just labor things the tories like i said that at the beginning but the tories

01:31:58.140 are just as guilty of it and they've been doing it for a while the online safety act nadine dories

01:32:02.460 literally wrote it she's literally in reform and nigel friday's like yeah that's terrible i'm gonna

01:32:06.460 get rid of that but she's literally standing there the online safety act is too intelligently

01:32:13.420 tyrannical for nadine dories to have written it i'm not saying a lawyer or something didn't write in

01:32:18.060 in the back yeah if you put a name to it perhaps yeah um i've got americans in the comments going

01:32:23.500 yeah okay you are correct about the american civil war and even in the american revolution about the

01:32:27.900 quality of american soldiery um i'm sorry it was just the fact that america wasn't a continent full

01:32:33.980 of professional european militaries that had spent hundreds of years beating the living daylights out of

01:32:37.980 each other you know it's just the nature of the beast anyway we're out of time so thank you for joining

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The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - January 29, 2026

The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1343

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