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00:00:00.000 hello and welcome to podcast of the lotus eaters episode 1347 on the uh wednesday 4th of february

00:00:09.200 year of our lord 2026 where we are joined by bo and special guest josh hello i'm not that special

00:00:16.640 well i think you're quite special needs guest no no genuinely special um and today we're going

00:00:21.280 to be talking about um oh andy and mandy finally they're in the news yeah yeah uh we're going to

00:00:28.640 be talking about um how new information reveals that epstein was in fact russian so we can all

00:00:33.520 breathe a sigh of release we don't we don't have to go near anything uncomfortable because you can

00:00:37.680 criticize the russians so that's good and um attempts to destroy eggs right so uh yes that's what we've 0.98

00:00:45.120 got for you all right then so we need to talk about prince andrew or the artist formerly known as prince

00:00:53.120 andrew artist so is he being is he stripped is he like still a prince no no he's stripped of hrh he's

00:01:00.960 just he's merely andrew mountbatten windsor now so he's a mr now yeah mr mountbatten windsor

00:01:06.960 oh that's downgrade isn't it yeah yeah yeah still got a hosh double-barreled name so yeah it's not all

00:01:12.400 lost for it yeah if he wants to be a prince again he's gonna have to do the megan markle thing where

00:01:16.640 he goes and finds a princess and marries them to become a prince make sure she's the right age this

00:01:22.160 time yes that would help should really be mr sax coberg and gotha that's more more my uh um but

00:01:29.520 the thing is um we've got to cover it because it's in the news kind of got i mean it's all over the news

00:01:34.640 if anyone watched breakfast with beau the beau show you'll know that for the last two or arguably even

00:01:40.160 three days been talking about it and it was we talked a little bit about it on the podcast but

00:01:44.480 because it's in the news so much we haven't done a whole segment on just mandy uh we can do that so

00:01:48.960 i'm actually going over stuff i've already said a couple of times but let's tell the story again

00:01:53.280 because it's such a sort of a big one on the again the breakfast show it was every single front page

00:01:58.720 this morning every single one without fail it was for andy and mandy right so we got we got to cover

00:02:06.000 it really it's what we do here i mean it's our jobs right so all right well should just dive straight in

00:02:11.040 um i've got a lot of glare on my screen so i can't necessarily see it all samson have you

00:02:16.400 even got up my links there can you get my links up i don't think they're my links uh so i'll just

00:02:20.720 start by saying oh there we go oh well let's have a look at this little clip of uh the right honorable

00:02:26.080 david lammy intellectual powerhouse uh is a man of considerable expertise he's the right man for this

00:02:34.240 moment to be our ambassador he's been a business secretary a northern ireland secretary of course he's worked

00:02:39.680 in the european commission and he brings all of that to bear working as our ambassador uh in the

00:02:46.880 united states and of course he's looking forward to presenting his credentials to donald trump

00:02:52.560 well that aged badly didn't it always ahead of the game is david lammy yeah he's so sharp yes he's

00:02:59.520 basically lives in the future he's so he's so smart his political acumen is rapier like yes i said rapier

00:03:06.320 um okay so so yeah so it's what should i start at the beginning should i try and tell the story as

00:03:13.760 though oh this is just a quick just show you that it's every single front page um mandy mandy

00:03:19.360 mandy mandy mandy mandy more mandy people might not remember that he was incredibly important like

00:03:25.680 yeah for 30 years yeah sorry oh yeah well the reason his biography about his life is called the

00:03:32.240 third man is because he was seen as the third man in labor wasn't he after blair brown and then him

00:03:38.240 yeah yeah and some of the the leaks from these emails seem to suggest that he was actually even

00:03:44.800 more important than you'd think even if he were the third man because he was an insider to lots of

00:03:51.040 the goings-on like trying to get gordon brown to resign and um you know being privy to information

00:03:58.640 about selling off certain assets i mean in the early days he didn't even have a minister ministerial

00:04:03.120 role he was minister without portfolio for the longest time yeah which basically meant he got

00:04:07.360 to do whatever he wanted which meant because okay so start the beginning blair gets in in 1997

00:04:15.360 and many people have said that mandy sorry the right honorable the lord mandelson first baron mandelson

00:04:22.080 was um he's not one of the order anymore i think he stepped out oh yeah so not anymore quite right

00:04:26.800 technically no no technically he still is anyway that's we won't bother going into that but okay

00:04:33.680 he was friends with blair from way back when right so soon and people have said that he was one of the

00:04:39.280 main architects of that 1997 landslide victory like a famous famous victory in 1997 where blair got a

00:04:46.800 massive majority like riding this crest of a wave of popularity mr blair mr blair 1907 you remember

00:04:53.760 then you probably slightly too young how old were you in 1997 uh two years old oh there you go right

00:04:59.200 i mean i was only a paper boy i think i was 15 or 16 and i was like a paper boy i remember delivering

00:05:04.400 very well read though wouldn't you i remember keeping up with the news i remember delivering papers on the

00:05:09.360 day of blair's or the day after rather blair's win but um so anyway people lots of people said that

00:05:14.720 mandy was one of the chief architects of all that so he's been in the new labor project since literally

00:05:19.600 since day one he was in government straight away his best mate blair gives him a job straight away

00:05:24.400 by 1998 he thought blair had already had to fire him one time for a disgrace he was too close to some

00:05:30.560 dodgy businessman and it was all a bit so blair just got rid of him it wasn't anything criminal

00:05:35.840 anyway blair brings him back within 18 months two years or so by 2001 blair has to fire him again 0.57

00:05:42.160 for another district a completely different disgrace nothing to do with epstein uh but anyway over this

00:05:47.440 whole time he's still been they often say like a grandee don't they or a big beast of the party

00:05:53.520 you're just one of the most important players a couple of times on the breakfast i've described

00:05:57.600 him as a labor version of michael gove just like one of the most important players in the labor party

00:06:04.320 i mean all the same i don't i don't think gove has anywhere near i mean it's probably a miss i

00:06:08.320 know it's directionally right but it's a miscomparison because gove is nowhere near as powerful as

00:06:12.640 quite right yeah yeah good point yeah yeah michael gove was nowhere near as powerful offers anywhere

00:06:17.600 near as long either so manderson even oh and and then he was in government in the brown years again

00:06:25.680 it was that was and that was another scandal later it keeps being scandal brought back scandal brought

00:06:31.680 back every time you give mandy a job it works out bad for you yeah there should have been lessons

00:06:38.320 learned here already you know if you've got to fire someone twice then sort of suggest maybe

00:06:44.560 you shouldn't judge them as as being a clean slate sort of damaged goods politically if you want and

00:06:51.440 you need super clean whiter than white individuals the man is already tainted anyway by 2009 he's in 0.98

00:06:59.280 the brown government because brown loses to cameron in 2010 right so by 2009 and a little bit before of

00:07:05.280 course he was he's the business secretary and there's the credit crunch that started in what 07

00:07:12.560 i think it was it went all the way through 08 and 09 still still dealing with it still doing bailouts in

00:07:18.560 like 09 you know so he's working very very closely with the chancellor the late alistair darling as was

00:07:26.800 and at that time it's now emerged if you believe what's in the jo day uh doj dump um he's getting the

00:07:34.960 inside scoop he's right at the heart of power the inner sanctum of power and uh he's just going

00:07:39.920 straight on emails to jeff epstein telling him the inside skinny on everything in price sensitive

00:07:45.360 information yeah market sensitive information yeah well that's a little bit illegal that's insider

00:07:53.040 trading is it not but and by a little bit illegal i mean a lot yeah yeah wasn't there also an example

00:08:01.920 where um when gordon brown was selling off the gold he sent him an email as well there's yeah

00:08:06.800 there's a load of things and i bet more will be coming out as well but so far what we know is that

00:08:11.680 uh for example when the treasury was going to do a bailout of the eurozone to the tune of 500 billion

00:08:18.720 euros mandy knows this ahead of time before it's formally announced and he tells he tells old jeff

00:08:26.240 over in new york about it a 500 billion liquidity injection i think that moves markets yeah it's

00:08:33.600 difficult to argue that's not market sensitive information yeah that's a difficult argument

00:08:37.280 that's not slipping your best mate the fact that you know uh so and so company is going to have a

00:08:42.000 good set of results i mean that is yeah that is basically about as material as you can possibly get

00:08:48.720 it's pretty bad yeah yeah if there is a full-blown investigation or the police are involved so if

00:08:53.920 there's like a real full-blown investigation into everything and it's shown that either epstein

00:08:59.280 himself or he passed it on to whoever and then they made trades or whatever off the back of that

00:09:05.040 information then i feel like there's no way to avoid prosecution for mandy at that point i would think

00:09:11.360 i'm no prosecutor but okay another thing is when gordon brown had lost the election

00:09:17.520 he didn't actually resign straight away because it was sort of up in the air

00:09:20.640 who are the lib dems going to make a coalition with i remember actually making a really bad

00:09:24.720 prediction at that time i wasn't on the internet or anything but i remember telling people people

00:09:28.080 knew i already had a master's degree in politics so like but what's going to happen and i was like

00:09:31.840 whatever happens the tories and the lib dems won't make a coalition that just doesn't work they

00:09:35.440 can't be in bed together it doesn't work they did they did nick clegg and david cameron in bed

00:09:40.560 together weird so people thought maybe nick clegg would go with with gordon brown at that point so

00:09:45.520 anyway there's a good couple of days where everyone's just waiting to see what gordon brown can

00:09:49.840 pull out of the fire if he can sort of save himself anyway eventually he just had to resign

00:09:55.200 we're just waiting for gordon brown to resign for like a good couple of days mandy hears of that and

00:10:00.480 five hours again five hours before it's announced doesn't sound like much but it actually is highly

00:10:05.360 sensitive political information right um again he's straight on the emails to old jeff

00:10:13.120 big jeff e over the pond the way that epstein talks about mandelson

00:10:18.000 is that he's one of the people who's sort of most loyal to him and he pretty much says so

00:10:24.320 um explicitly is that and he constantly mentions him uh and so he was obviously integral to

00:10:32.320 at least some things yeah well the how close their friendship was is absolutely insane thousands of

00:10:38.720 emails between each other sending each other congratulatory messages all the time birthday

00:10:43.040 cards and on and on and on and on all throughout his before during and after jeffrey epstein's

00:10:49.760 paedophile convictions loads and loads of different things oh jeffrey epstein sent him and and or his

00:10:56.400 husband money loads of money at least three payments of 25 000 plus ronaldo manned his husband

00:11:04.480 getting four grand a month they've sort of got the receipts of that from the epstein side of that ledger

00:11:09.600 no evidence they said it was a loan didn't they so they didn't have to pay any tax on it but

00:11:14.480 actually there's no evidence of any repayment so it doesn't seem to be a loan at all yeah and it's 0.67

00:11:19.440 just sounds like spy shit to me well it is starting to get difficult not to describe it as

00:11:26.000 some sort of espionage working on behalf of a foreign agent yes so to say that epstein say that 0.99

00:11:32.640 mandelson is a mole working on behalf of a of a foreign body against the interests of the crown

00:11:41.120 against interests of his own government that he's in against interest of the prime minister and the

00:11:45.040 cabinet and on and on and on his first it feels like doesn't it looks like his first priority was

00:11:51.840 to epstein not golden brown well there's two ways of looking at this isn't there there's there's one

00:11:57.440 in which you can look at it and think well he's trying to cozy up to epstein because epstein is rich

00:12:01.600 and powerful and he wants to be rich and powerful himself or um there are shared loyalties between

00:12:09.680 both of them um to organizations that are not the british government yeah do they have something in

00:12:16.400 common then yeah i haven't checked but someone needs to look into that what what is it that they both

00:12:21.520 have in common is that they like to share a a yachting trip with uh george osborne oh yeah

00:12:28.480 osborne's in this george osborne yeah anyone remember that time that george osborne peter mandelson

00:12:36.080 and jeffrey epstein were yachting on nathaniel rothschild's yachts anyone remember that one

00:12:43.120 i remember that one yeah why i mean don't know don't know okay so this guy so and there's more there's

00:12:54.400 loads of more other other things um and it's just it's just terribly terribly scandalous isn't it

00:13:00.320 so it's all broken now i mean big part of it now is not just the complete disgrace of mandelson

00:13:06.560 himself and whether the police will that will and the cps will go ahead with a prosecution of on either

00:13:13.600 financial crime or just general misconduct in power the mist the misconduct of in high office sort of

00:13:21.360 thing not just that because it also now spills out into uh the prime minister himself because

00:13:28.400 he picked mandy only like last year was it either at the very end of 2024 or at the what's that what

00:13:34.400 you're doing i don't know just looking if there's any other connection with um with osborne all right

00:13:41.280 okay that fits as well that's interesting i didn't even know that to be honest did you not

00:13:45.360 really my radar is obviously off a bit okay yep okay no yeah yeah sorry to carry on uh

00:13:54.800 you're talking about starmer the prime minister yes the prime minister appointing me well whether it

00:13:58.960 was either at the end of 2024 or in 2025 so in other words not very long ago appointing him as

00:14:03.840 us ambassador to the us which is the highest possible diplomat you can be at the foreign office

00:14:08.880 you're supposed to have a whole lifetime in the foreign office basically it's supposed to be like the

00:14:12.560 final cherry on top of a senior diplomat's career that's what it's supposed to be um but no he just

00:14:19.440 parachuted in peter mandelson for that role even though at the time again only like a year or a bit

00:14:24.880 ago um he was told that that's not a good idea don't do that and in fact in pmqs that have just

00:14:32.880 happened just a few minutes ago he was asked did the intelligence services warn you not to do that and

00:14:38.400 kiss time said yes right yeah that wasn't a good look to be fair so really so in other words a

00:14:46.720 really really odd decision or is it all that odd but a really really odd decision on the face of it

00:14:51.680 for sir kiss darmer to pick manderson in for that role play devil's advocate here i think having

00:14:57.120 someone heavily connected to a paedophilic um international network might be useful if you

00:15:02.560 want to get one over on foreign diplomats you know there's some justification i'm being facetious

00:15:08.320 of course on the other hand yeah the pr isn't great no of course not yes obviously you shouldn't

00:15:13.440 have been appointed um and so now kiss darmer's doing the whole uh damage limitation thing it's 1.00

00:15:19.280 a disgrace it's a disgrace on him on kim can quit kirstama for doing it and kemi badnock trying to 0.73

00:15:26.800 hammer it home what a terrible decision is how it reflects on keir starmer's judge of character

00:15:33.440 and the pmqs that we've just had just before coming on i mean it's starting to look like it could be

00:15:40.080 you know bad for starmer in a in a in a career limiting way quite soon i mean maybe it's it's

00:15:48.400 basically on the labor backbenchers it's basically on other labor mps to coup keir starmer out of his

00:15:54.160 position isn't it i would be quite surprised i think he's trying to hang on like a limpet onto

00:15:59.600 a whole but this is a bloody good excuse if you wanted to get rid of him anyway i know but i i

00:16:03.760 think it's gonna it's gonna have to take an accumulation and then it's gonna be one small

00:16:08.240 thing you know how with the tories it was the the party gate thing after all they did

00:16:12.880 and it was that that that took them out like it's usually not just any one thing i mean this is big

00:16:20.480 enough though i'm pessimistic enough about how important that this is to the morality of those

00:16:29.360 people that they're probably going to look to something else well the other thing is the morgan

00:16:34.720 mcsweeney angle oh yes people are saying well so morgan mcsweeney is supposed to be um one of mandy's

00:16:41.920 protégés in the party and he's now like one of the closest aides to keir starmer um and so a lot

00:16:51.920 of people said that if keir starmer was forced to get rid of mcsweeney then that really badly badly

00:16:59.520 badly undermines starmer's position himself um and so it's mixed up with mcsweeney as well it's all

00:17:06.000 mixed up with him it's going to lose one of his key allies isn't it right yeah massively undermine

00:17:10.480 his position um and maybe the the various powers ranged against keir starmer from badder knockdown

00:17:20.080 um will sort of hone in on mcsweeney or like the papers the press the the print media whatever

00:17:27.040 fleet street if you have to get with mandy is a bit is a bit tricky keeping mcsweeney now but he's

00:17:32.960 a guy running the labor government so yeah yeah they might be able to get away with saying well

00:17:38.720 you know just because he was his you know pupil doesn't mean that he was you know implicated in

00:17:44.720 the same thing yes like he's not actually done anything just just because moore was his pupil

00:17:49.440 doesn't mean that he's connected to any sith no nonsense not not agreeing with it but not necessarily

00:17:54.000 that it's not that morgan mcsweeney went to little saint james and was getting massages off of 14 year

00:17:58.480 old girls not that it's that morgan mcsweeney was the one in starmer's ear pick pick

00:18:02.720 manderson for the u.s ambassador pick him pick him pick him that that's the problem yeah right

00:18:08.400 i do agree with that okay um so yeah even zeer yusuf jumping in there um just saying manderson is

00:18:16.400 going to jail and there's some of the receipts of the thing various things i would like to see it i

00:18:20.960 mean to be clear if you or i did that 100 jail yeah oh yeah the only reason there's any doubt is

00:18:26.880 because it's peter manderson yeah so they just want to know what exactly was the vetting process

00:18:32.800 who exactly did you talk to what exactly did they say and when what did the prime minister know and

00:18:38.240 when that whole angle they're going for at the moment but yeah i mean certainly mandy's career

00:18:43.920 is in tatters and he may end up in a in a jail cell the only reason i hesitate slightly is because

00:18:49.440 if you're an old-time watcher of british politics you've seen him go through this three times before

00:18:54.560 yeah and every time he comes back so i do think that he should go to jail but it wouldn't shock

00:18:59.120 me entirely if six months from now he's a supreme court justice or an archbishop

00:19:05.280 does have a tendency to fail upwards doesn't it yes the secretary general of the u.n

00:19:11.200 or something yeah yeah all right well i mean that pretty much takes up my time so hopefully i've

00:19:16.400 i've covered that in enough detail all right hey um what am i going to talk about got some oh yes

00:19:22.640 chats here anyway oh yes we have yeah i would be able to do those first um do you want me to read

00:19:27.840 them sure be my guest be my guest why not uh tom rat says bow my point on the bbc this morning was

00:19:33.680 that john pond was a nom de plum for gordon brown posted at you on x about it from um and then he lists

00:19:42.480 his tag there okay i get it the bbc is bow's breakfast club by the way

00:19:46.560 uh very good acronym there oh and also quickly to andrew jenkins yeah i know i know what i gave

00:19:54.640 was the definition of insider trading i'm just saying it's that's at the like the lower end of

00:19:58.480 it whereas a 500 billion bailout is pretty much the top end that was the point i was making crash

00:20:03.280 prone says where can i sign up to a conservative think tank yeah good luck um i don't know you need

00:20:12.720 to find one and then you need to find a job listing and then sign up to it it's like any other thing

00:20:17.040 really um although they're notorious for being a nuisance to work for um sigil stone says man the

00:20:24.560 democrats went wild and weird with this hoax trump said they made yeah i mean trump did release it in

00:20:32.000 the end but he did spend like a year telling us it was a hoax so i know yeah there was nothing to it

00:20:39.840 which i think in my mind is unforgivable yeah yeah yeah like you don't get to say that

00:20:46.960 yeah you're still talking about this guy yes donald yeah yeah turns out we were bloody well right to do

00:20:53.040 so the thing is what we've seen so far and maybe it's been released selectively and probably likely

00:20:58.720 it has doesn't necessarily make the trump administration look bad i've not seen much

00:21:05.760 there that says oh yeah yeah trump was integral to epstein's operation or anything so he's falling

00:21:12.000 really badly on democrat fixes like reed hofman and so on i i don't understand why they were dragging

00:21:17.200 their feet maybe there's more to it i mean there's loads of things there are there are allegations but

00:21:21.600 there's loads of things that are super embarrassing to trump mar-a-largo parties where epstein turns up with

00:21:26.000 a whole bunch of girls loads of stuff it's sort of the allegation yeah i mean cranky texan says uh 1.00

00:21:36.960 there is a power structure that sits above nations politics are the shadows that cast on the cave wall

00:21:42.480 to control the masses i think that's a pretty accurate description to be honest and hayden says

00:21:49.360 beau's breakfast club is the only reliable bbc

00:21:55.120 three definitions for that term now oh god yeah i didn't want to say the other one

00:22:02.080 so um obviously when this epstein stuff came out i was looking at it and thinking oh that's

00:22:06.400 a bit uncomfortable because it touches on certain subject areas that you're just not supposed to talk

00:22:10.880 about not if you want to not get your not get debanked or de-platformed or remove your job

00:22:18.320 yeah all of those things like so marlon brando or someone that well you know um um or that um

00:22:25.360 braveheart guy whoever they'll give their kind of stuff so so you're not really supposed to talk

00:22:29.200 about this stuff so i was a bit worried at first um how the hell are we going to cover this without

00:22:34.320 treading on you know the things that you're not supposed to talk about so you can imagine my relief

00:22:38.800 when i discovered that it's actually a russian plot the whole epstein affair yes it's a russian

00:22:43.920 plot it's russian from the beginning from moscow center it all comes from us he comes straight

00:22:48.080 from putin all right his real name is actually epsteinovich um i didn't know that yeah that

00:22:53.040 could well be they they often change their name don't they so to hide the um the russian connection

00:22:58.240 is he is he checker something is it nkvd something like that he's got a line from barrier himself

00:23:05.040 he's gru through and through and and the reason we know this is because journalists of peerless

00:23:11.680 reputation have told us i mean here's andrew ma i mean he he's a hundred times a journalist

00:23:16.080 i'll ever be he worked for the bbc not not bros breakfast club or the other one where maybe i don't

00:23:20.800 know anyway he worked for he worked for the british broadcasting corporation um and and and he's

00:23:26.800 basically explaining it to us here what what's really going on let me begin tonight with something

00:23:33.440 that i think is even more important even more extraordinary growing suspicions of a russian connection

00:23:42.080 epstein had apparently limitless supplies of money where did it come from good question he procured

00:23:48.880 many young russian girls why was that so easy for him the files released show more than a thousand

00:23:56.560 documents which referred to vladimir putin and nine thousand referring to moscow the fbi says that he

00:24:04.880 was putin's wealth manager epstein filed all of his messages he filmed and taped powerful western

00:24:13.200 leaders in deeply compromising situations why doesn't it make you wonder at least about the possibility

00:24:20.880 of a kgb operation big enough to ensnare former presidents and prime ministers and the leaders of

00:24:27.440 some of the world's most powerful companies i mean that they have it that's embarrassing

00:24:34.880 kgb really well it's the kgb i i can tell you a little bit skeptical it was smirsch that the uh

00:24:43.120 killed him in his cell was it it was the anti so it was the anti-russian assassins well getting rid of

00:24:49.280 their own yeah right look mainstream media journalists sorry not like andrew marr said it so it must be

00:24:57.520 true well i i can tell you're still skeptical so i'm just gonna i'm just gonna pile drive you with

00:25:02.480 evidence so here is a daily mail story um saying the same thing epstein's sex empire was a kgb honey trap

00:25:11.520 yeah and and they really bring the goods look there he is in a russian hat oh boom wow slam dunk yes

00:25:18.000 okay uh checkmate checkmate those are presumably russian girls could well be actually um 1.00

00:25:24.640 um uh we've got the one the other hat oh look there's a picture of putin so it's embedded in

00:25:31.440 the article so well there you go i mean that's evidence oh there's some russians look at those

00:25:35.840 hats is that is that galane maxwell in the middle posing with russians looks like her double chin yeah 1.00

00:25:41.760 she does have a double there we are oh well there we are what more evidence do you need well

00:25:46.720 i don't think you need much more to be honest yeah clearly it was a russian plot um the evening uh

00:25:52.720 standard also said jeffrey epstein sinister links putin reveal uh revealed with russian girls in

00:25:59.520 world's largest honey trap for kgb so again yeah i mean what what more do you need telegraph isn't

00:26:08.160 it the fsb now isn't kgb like oh yeah it's a bit old time yeah okay i get it that's why i was joking

00:26:14.080 it's the checker it's part of the nkvd is what it is that i mean come on yeah sorry go on dan no no

00:26:23.840 no look there's literally evidence that the telegraph the mainstream media are not going to lie to us

00:26:31.120 we can't we can't seriously suggest that the mainstream media is lying to us about everything

00:26:35.360 all of the time they wouldn't do that yeah that's fair point that's uh an unassailable point yes okay

00:26:42.640 you see i told you my ground would be solid on all this stuff but here's a telegraph they're a broadsheet

00:26:50.800 there you go yeah they never sold it never ever so it's interesting how you know epstein was connected

00:26:57.280 to all of these key politicians you know he he was able to see things before they happened both

00:27:02.480 politically and economically and how he was able to steer things in in russia's favor of course

00:27:11.120 all that money being sent to russia by the united states oh wait no that doesn't happen

00:27:16.160 i i i think you want i i think you're on the right theme there more or less and and i think the reason

00:27:21.520 why you've got thrown off bow is because they use this coded language um throughout these emails so for

00:27:28.560 example they might talk about a hot dog but in in a really weird context where it's like why are you

00:27:34.640 talking about a hot dog like that that doesn't make any sense it turns out it's actually code for a boy

00:27:39.360 right and pizza is is code for a girl and i work for israel is code for i work for russia got it

00:27:46.480 and i work for the roth charles is is actually i work for putin right right and then there's this other

00:27:51.680 term which i hadn't heard before but but goyim that is apparently a non-russian

00:27:55.360 it sounds a bit russian isn't it yes starting to make sense now all the pieces yes it's it's it's

00:28:03.280 code this is this is spy level stuff you see because you can't you can't just put this stuff in an email

00:28:08.480 because what it gets what if it gets intercepted and published on the internet if you use a code

00:28:13.440 it's impenetrable to anyone who doesn't have the code yeah yeah that's basically how it works um

00:28:19.760 um it it it goes back to the 1970s apparently this um this this kgb connection uh fsb connection

00:28:28.640 and um and the things that got me thinking that got me thinking because i mean obviously the mainstream

00:28:33.760 media wouldn't lie to us so this must be true yeah but then on the other hand i then started thinking

00:28:37.840 to myself well do we have any examples of people who have um been shown to be working with the russians

00:28:44.160 and what happened to them and it turns out there are a few examples so um in the united states there

00:28:49.040 is aldrich ames um he was exposed as being a soviet agent he was kim philby uh i wonder uh i haven't

00:28:58.800 even got him on my list oh yeah that's a that's a british guy isn't it yeah yeah so so aldrich ames

00:29:03.280 he got life in prison without parole um robert hassan uh he was exposed as working uh with the russians he

00:29:10.880 got life imprisonment without parole permanent solitary confinement i mean this is as hard

00:29:18.160 as you can get i mean this is zero tolerance straight away jail forever solitary confinement

00:29:25.520 which is basically the most that the state can do to you apart i mean even execution is kinder than

00:29:31.280 that um earl edward pitts um well he got off lightly he only got 27 years imprisonment without without

00:29:38.640 parole so there's that um in the united kingdom george blake oh yeah 42 years in prison he didn't

00:29:47.280 serve that though did he well that was what he's sentenced to i don't know if he served that much

00:29:50.960 wasn't blake the keeper of the queen's uh the queen's pictures i don't know

00:29:58.560 i'm mixing them up with one of the others anyway carry on sorry there's probably a few blake

00:30:01.840 uh the one you mentioned which is um kim philby um he he was a um senior mi6 figure so he he was he

00:30:08.480 was working in the top layers of government and when he was exposed that he was working with the

00:30:12.640 russians um he had defect to moscow apparently lived the rest of his life i'm going to do an epochs

00:30:18.480 on the cambridge five right focusing on kim philby yeah eventually he fled to moscow yes it's interesting

00:30:24.560 isn't it as well that if you were looking for spies in that period of time you only needed to go to

00:30:29.520 leftist circles in cambridge yes there they are there's like 90 percent you know maybe even a

00:30:35.520 hundred percent of all of the spies for russia in britain one place kim philby a man his name was

00:30:41.440 kim um was head of the russian desk in mi6 counter espionage desk make your job your hobby i mean that

00:30:50.320 that that works the point is if if he hadn't have gone to moscow if he hadn't defected he almost

00:30:55.120 certainly would have been doing life yeah yeah maybe solitary yeah it would have been yeah it would

00:30:59.360 have been um donald mclean yeah um another one he had to defect to moscow as well so he presumably

00:31:05.280 would have got life in jail um in canada um jeffrey uh diesel um he got 20 years in prison um

00:31:14.000 basically handing over a little bit of um naval intelligence um australia ian fleming i don't

00:31:19.920 think it's it's r ian fleming it's an australia bond no not a list that'd be not not him fall from

00:31:25.440 grace another one but he he got complete sort of um you know complete career destruction surveillance of

00:31:31.680 the the whole lot so so basically what this is telling me is every example of working with the

00:31:37.120 russians punishment is maximum um rehabilitation is non-existent it just doesn't happen and the

00:31:45.040 narrative the narrative is all this sort of moral betrayal stuff there is no second chances for

00:31:49.680 anybody who works with the russians which which is interesting um because you know under uk law

00:31:57.040 generally we let um we let foreign nations determine what the law is in their own area

00:32:05.040 and if they don't enforce it then it's not an issue right so if you go to a foreign country and you beat

00:32:09.040 somebody up but they don't or you steal something and they don't consider it a crime britain doesn't

00:32:13.040 consider it a crime it's just okay fine you know that foreign jurisdiction does it the the exceptions 0.97

00:32:17.920 are there's a narrow set of exceptions basically around murder um child abuse and treason i wonder

00:32:24.720 they added um forced marriage to it recently uh because that was happening in pakistan i don't know

00:32:29.440 why forced marriage in pakistan is suddenly an issue for for britain why are their cousins so unwilling

00:32:34.880 yes but the point the point is there's a there's a sort of narrow set of things for which britain

00:32:39.760 is actually willing to go extrajudicial with so the list of crimes that we know about from epstein

00:32:46.320 include um sex trafficking of minors um child sex sexual exploitation blackmail through compromise

00:32:54.960 um extortion tied to um intelligence operations espionage on behalf of foreign intelligence

00:33:01.440 unauthorized intelligence gathering leaking sensitive government and doc and classified documents

00:33:08.080 misconduct in public office treason via aiding foreign powers financial fraud and illicit networks

00:33:14.800 money laundering for sanctioned entities arms trafficking compromising security and narco

00:33:20.640 trafficking for funding um adversarial activities and paedophilia yeah that was at the top of my list

00:33:27.920 all right okay yeah okay so i mean that is a list which i would say is i mean it's the full house

00:33:34.800 that's the royal flush of treason it's at least two years in prison in the uk isn't it

00:33:41.840 well and the point is we'll be out in nine months you know we we don't know if the individuals listed

00:33:47.680 in the epstein emails are a part to all any or none of that right but they but they are implicated

00:33:57.760 you know they they are at there's three categories for the people in those emails either they're complicit

00:34:03.520 they're compromised or they're negligently exposed to this kind of stuff right and and yet it's odd

00:34:11.920 we've got this russian intelligence operation with the royal flush of treasonous operations

00:34:18.560 and yet there's no mass arrests and and there's no one's been arrested

00:34:23.120 quite gislaine maxwell apart from apart from gislaine maxwell yes yes good point was she being

00:34:28.560 handled out of moscow center as well do you think quite possibly yeah yeah yeah it would fit wouldn't

00:34:33.360 it it's also um apparently having a rather lavish time in prison which is very frustrating like she

00:34:38.640 gets to have meetings with people and and basically live her life as she was before just as long as

00:34:45.200 she's in the prison complex i mean why are we giving russia such soft treatment that's the that's

00:34:50.560 the question i'm trying to ask there's obviously something about russia that it gets treated with kid

00:34:55.520 gloves and i want to get to the bottom of what's going on here because there's no mass arrests there's

00:34:59.600 no treason investigations there's no asset seizures there's no sort of intelligence reckoning

00:35:05.840 but i don't understand why all of these all of this is completely inconsistent with every historical

00:35:12.320 precedent that we have and i kind of want to get to the bottom of this it's odd and and and i

00:35:17.040 mean give you a much more modern example and beau you can talk to this because you you interviewed

00:35:20.720 her lately but but lauren chen so so lauren chen was accused of taking money third hand 1.00

00:35:28.720 so not directly from the russians but like two different people in the way accused of taking

00:35:35.440 money from them in order to adjust a narrative right and and i mean what what what treatment did

00:35:41.360 she get it wasn't even that oh wasn't it no uh there was an in well she she wasn't actually ever

00:35:48.240 charged with anything there was an indictment of other people in which she was mentioned

00:35:53.680 she was never charged with anything also his fourth hand she's not she was never even charged

00:35:59.760 with absolutely anything so so she has only thing she was even accused of in their indictment

00:36:04.480 yeah she was mentioned and it was um it was the most absurd thing it was like sharing

00:36:09.520 the tucker video like when tucker went to russia and met putin she was like sharing that so she's

00:36:14.720 mentioned in someone else's indictment they didn't even ever accuse her of taking russian money or

00:36:18.720 anything so she's not even accused of espionage or trafficking or blackmail she's not even accused

00:36:23.280 of any crime she was not charged with anything right and what did they do to her well completely

00:36:28.880 ruined her life took all her money away could she access her bank accounts today no so she's just

00:36:34.640 completely shut out of everything yeah on the basis of a fourth hand accusation and no crime yeah

00:36:41.360 basically yeah right so so that so that throws up a difficult question for me what why do we always

00:36:49.920 treat russian involvement with such a high degree of severity if you've actually done something

00:36:57.040 it's prison without parole in solitary confinement for life if you're even associated with somebody

00:37:04.800 who's associated with somebody who's associated with russian money that's enough to get your bank

00:37:09.840 account shut down and get completely destroyed by this but this time nothing's happening

00:37:19.840 and i want to know why suddenly russia is is being treated very very differently to how it should be

00:37:25.760 maybe the russian operation has compromised you know other aspects of our civilization perhaps

00:37:34.080 maybe our governments perhaps maybe all of a sudden our governments are now favorable to the

00:37:39.600 russia because of this operation i mean the only the only thing i could think of and and i dismissed it

00:37:44.960 after a while but i mean russia did have it really bad during the war they lost whatever it was like

00:37:51.200 25 million world war ii yeah world war ii yeah so so maybe we kind of look back at what happened 70

00:37:56.480 years ago and we think i'll never again should russia be treated badly and therefore they get a moral

00:38:02.800 pass but at some point with that list of crimes that i read out at some point you've got to think well

00:38:09.440 hang on a minute you've got to start judging this stuff on its merits from today

00:38:13.360 yeah it's all very odd isn't it yeah the russian connection doesn't seem to sort of add up or really

00:38:22.560 make any sense at all does it i i admit it's a conundrum because it if this was you know what it

00:38:28.560 what we what we told it was what what i would expect to see the formal designation of the epstein network

00:38:35.760 and everybody on those emails as a hostile foreign intelligence operation i don't understand why that

00:38:40.400 isn't happening i would expect there to be a sort of counter-intelligence lead led by um you know

00:38:45.840 fbi cia mi6 uh mi5 but um you know outside the criminal courts but we're not seeing that we'd

00:38:52.880 expect to see the joint five eyes task force put on this again we're not seeing that it's interesting

00:38:58.080 as well that trump was dragging his heels releasing this stuff well yes you think what why are you trying

00:39:02.560 to protect russia maybe what the democrats were saying that he's paid by putin you know it's the only

00:39:08.080 thing that makes sense at this point wait wait rachel maddow was right all along i mean that's a shock

00:39:14.640 isn't it that's a shock trump always was uh putin's poodle all along rachel maddow complete vindication

00:39:22.880 i mean it must be the case at this point i would expect to be seeing cobra level meetings emergency

00:39:28.160 organized um special council with national security um remit um declassifications of orders from

00:39:34.720 intelligence um operations hostile state attribution given to russia because you can't do this stuff

00:39:42.720 without being a hostile state i would expect that to get slapped on them straight away um diplomatic

00:39:47.280 expulsions you know why are russian diplomats not getting expelled for this um you know congressional

00:39:55.520 parliamentary inquiries all that kind of stuff new counterintelligence legislation um you know and and

00:40:01.440 also a lot of asset tracking um and tracing and seizures across jurisdictions for everybody involved

00:40:08.880 in this but none of that is happening i wonder why andrew marr isn't sending a stiffly worded letter

00:40:17.040 to his mp to have russian diplomats expelled from their embassy in london well it doesn't make any sense

00:40:22.400 to me i can't i can't figure it i i'm at a loss to explain all of this stuff because those categories

00:40:27.360 are people that i talked about you know the the active collaborators i would be expecting them to

00:40:31.760 get be getting as uh espionage um you know charges slapped on them about now pre-trial detention given

00:40:38.320 the seriousness of what's going on um full asset seizure lifetime public office bans and permanent

00:40:44.400 reputation destruction and none of that's happening and for the compromised individuals you know i i

00:40:50.160 would be expecting immediate loss of security clearance why and why are hundreds if not thousands of people

00:40:55.600 not losing their security clearance today i i don't get that they're all being handled maybe

00:41:01.360 even if it's secondhand through yes well if fourth hand is good enough to destroy lauren chen

00:41:08.320 i don't get why fourth hand i mean even first hand is not enough to get your security clearance revoked

00:41:15.520 and a forced resignation from any sensitive role um ongoing surveillance and all that kind of stuff

00:41:20.960 and even for the people who are negligently exposed which i suppose is the closest example

00:41:25.600 to what you could point to with lauren chen even though that even even though it doesn't meet that

00:41:30.320 threshold um you know i i would expect sort of former counterintelligence um designation a removal

00:41:36.400 from any sort of leadership position any sort of oversight position mandatory distancing from power

00:41:42.240 like no you you cannot be associated with a government contract doing this stuff and if you're

00:41:46.800 working for the government you you would have to terminate their career on security grounds

00:41:52.480 none of that's happening what strange hold does russia have over the uk and united states i'm i'm not

00:41:59.600 really getting it and and and the more i think about it pesky ruskies well 1.00

00:42:05.360 clearly they've got something over the governments of the uk and the us

00:42:09.360 i mean they must have mustn't they the ruskies which is which is baffling because the russians have never

00:42:14.480 been treated this kit gloves like this before and i don't know and and the more i think about it

00:42:19.680 and i think well look in order for this not to you know completely break my brain what would have to

00:42:25.360 be true about russia for all of this to sort of hang together the way it does well russia would have to

00:42:32.160 be treated as a strategic ally not a hostile power okay um and and and there would have to be deep

00:42:40.880 intelligence integration between the us and russia and the uk in order for this to make sense to me

00:42:49.920 um and and there would need to be sort of mutual compromise exposure you know it knowing that going

00:42:56.240 after the russians would necessarily involve exposing a vast amount of what you do in in in

00:43:02.960 retrospect um i would expect the only reason you couldn't do this is because if there was institutional

00:43:08.480 um incrimination risk you know by by probing these links you're going to expose that for decades there

00:43:15.920 has been counterintelligence failures covered up for the benefit of your ally russia yeah that's that's

00:43:25.120 interesting also the other thing that i would expect is is is why are the mainstream media why why is

00:43:31.840 why is andrew marr even allowed to mention russia if all of this is true surely they would have to

00:43:37.440 pretend it wasn't actually russia it was some other country there but they they would be making up some

00:43:41.200 rubbish about how it's actually belgium that is responsible for this yeah because it would be so 1.00

00:43:47.280 toxic to mention that that russia was doing this because they they just they just couldn't get there

00:43:54.240 the point is very very brave of mr marr yes isn't it to come out and and it's a hell of a risk

00:44:01.040 call a spade a spade yeah you know that's that sort of brutal honesty from andrew marr is very brave and

00:44:06.400 just directly attack the underlying issue none of this are we going to focus on you know because

00:44:12.880 mount baton or something because of course the stakes for someone like andrew marr in calling this

00:44:17.920 out you know it's a misconception that it's a fall from a balcony normally it's either reputation

00:44:23.040 destruction or debanking because of course everyone knows that the russians have a significant hand in 1.00

00:44:30.480 that so yes big in banking are the russians um but yeah and and and you know if if if russia really

00:44:38.560 was that integrated into our system you know a lot of people be choosing to be silent rather than say

00:44:44.320 anything at all which is interesting um and and and there would be a there would be a danger that you

00:44:50.880 can't do anything about this because the enforcing the the standard would be too dangerous even if there

00:44:55.840 was a clear established standard of what you do when you get foreign intelligence operation

00:45:02.000 compromising you you would still prefer oh we're just going to back away from this or we're going

00:45:07.040 to find a scapegoat we're going to pin it all on you know pick a royal or something and we're just

00:45:11.520 going to make it all about them or or something like that and and i suppose my broader point is this

00:45:16.800 is that um i think that we should disentangle ourselves from from any country that runs blackmail

00:45:25.600 and compromise operations against our business leaders our political leaders even if it is a close

00:45:33.120 ally like russia yeah yes be careful though i mean you know being as straightforward as that about

00:45:44.000 it you don't want to get novichok do you dan no you don't want to get the vinenco treatment

00:45:50.000 you you could get some rough treatment if you careful if you if you if you tackle this sensitive

00:45:54.160 subject a bit too bit too close on which led me to believe okay well what is actually going to

00:45:59.360 happen this is my prediction for what is going to happen into response to the epstein files so i i think

00:46:04.640 that uk will probably ban email for the under 18s unless you unless you get digital id i think that's

00:46:10.480 probably the response i think australia will probably ban guns in response to the epstein files

00:46:16.080 uh i i suspect that the us will pass new anti-semitism laws my theory is that canada will assist in

00:46:24.080 you know broaden assisted dying in response to the epstein files and that new zealand will ban

00:46:30.400 harmful speculation so um i don't know i could be wrong see where this goes

00:46:37.280 um comments comments um from from casa widen guys i don't want to be too conspiratorial but i

00:46:49.040 don't think dan is actually talking about russia of course i am that's what the whole bloody segment

00:46:53.440 was about pay attention um that's a random name says um these emails uh show that jeff ordered over

00:47:02.240 six million hot dogs from russia which seems to be a little bit excessive um i'd wager yeah um

00:47:12.640 somebody's talking about russia attacking a u.s ship don't i don't that would be terrible no of

00:47:19.360 course i wouldn't do that that would be an act of war wouldn't it no they can't do that no no of

00:47:23.360 course not um uh and i think there's one more uh that's a random name i'm convinced russia clearly

00:47:28.080 has compromise on the whole american elite which explains why nato has and then i can't read the

00:47:34.240 rest because it's off the screen okay yes um thank you i can even finish reading the thing if you want

00:47:46.480 oh you've got a bigger screen

00:47:48.080 nato has kept getting closer and closer to completely surrounding russia there we go

00:47:58.800 and i'll just double check that there isn't another one um the files also um this is sigil

00:48:03.600 stone the files also make musk look bad there's lots of glare on the screen because he was trying

00:48:08.400 to get into epstein's orbit after his conviction well some of those emails were fake as well i don't

00:48:14.800 know which ones were genuine and which ones were fake but i do know there were some fakes circulating

00:48:19.520 so um i would just double check whether those were genuine or not um because the files are so

00:48:26.000 massive obviously i've not verified every single thing because there aren't enough hours in the

00:48:30.240 day to do that but um yeah just taking everything with a pinch of salt i think anyway i need this don't

00:48:38.000 i how do you reno just quickly say how do you really really know someone normal just an old person

00:48:44.800 it's not involved in the department of justice or the fbi or anything how would you really know

00:48:49.440 how could an old person like you or i really confirm one way or another whether a pdf of an

00:48:55.520 email is real or not i mean really really 100 confirm what is or isn't real i mean you can't know

00:49:03.360 i'm not trying to play defense here i'm just trying to be brutally brutally brutally i mean if we're

00:49:07.760 talking epistemology here you can say you can say that we're never 100 certain about anything

00:49:13.120 right okay you go down that slippery slope and yeah how can you be sure you're actually

00:49:17.360 alive right now and not in a simulation or whatever yeah i suppose i mean it's all degrees

00:49:21.680 it's all degrees of certainty like no one's ever 100 certain about the reason i can be certain that

00:49:26.480 i'm not in a simulation is because whoever programmed the simulation would make it make sense

00:49:32.000 yeah it's a bit buggy isn't it yeah yeah i want a different simulation this is rubbish

00:49:36.800 they didn't beta test it yeah there's some glitches in there no infinite money glitch though that's

00:49:43.680 annoying um anyway there is an attempt to destroy x formerly known as twitter and it is because of the

00:49:52.800 politics that are common on the platform which shouldn't come as much of a surprise because

00:49:57.040 since elon musk has bought it it has become a sort of almost like a pirate's cove like a nassau

00:50:04.080 of the dissident right if you know what i mean in that it's sort of become its own refuge for people

00:50:09.840 who would otherwise be hunted around the globe um and so that can't be allowed to stand and so

00:50:16.320 what has happened here is that there are some tenuous reasons to go after the platform although

00:50:21.440 there are some genuine concerns behind it however i think that all of it is politically motivated first

00:50:26.800 and foremost and um this of course comes with the story that people were using grok the ai on the

00:50:34.960 platform to generate images of people in bikinis but um if i can skip to an article i made an image of

00:50:43.280 myself in a bikini and it was highly disturbing i can imagine um unfortunately um thankfully someone

00:50:51.280 wrote an article um a very good article um i'm not going to name the author um but they did that's

00:50:56.240 big josh firm off the load seat it is yeah he's a bit of a legend isn't it yeah but um this um unknown

00:51:02.160 loser um wrote an article which has some good summaries of what was actually happening at the time

00:51:08.400 because they witnessed what was going on and um as they explain the vast majority of usage was by women 0.89

00:51:16.640 themselves asking it to undress them to advertise their um what i will term unvirtuous enterprises

00:51:24.400 that's actually 90 of what i saw it was just thoughts and and you keep blocking them but the

00:51:30.320 supply of thoughts is much larger than your thumb ability to block the supply and demand is very much

00:51:36.640 askew isn't it it was just thought thought thought thought put me in a bikini that was that for about

00:51:41.920 three days i don't know what it sounds terrible yeah you know what the algorithm's done with your

00:51:46.240 account but i didn't had any i didn't have hardly any of those you don't get thoughts once in a blue

00:51:50.800 moon there'll be some random thought turn up in my replies or some right it's very very rare i guess

00:51:57.040 lady of the night my twitter usage is quite boring i look at like sciencey things space things and

00:52:01.760 mostly i can't be the only one getting thoughts on my time did come on come on chat back me up you

00:52:06.560 you get i'm a hot-blooded man and i saw them all right all right fair enough but um it was

00:52:11.680 i would be willing to say about 90 as you said roughly um then and then a small minority were

00:52:18.240 using them on men like trump and maduro remember at the time maduro had been um i don't know how to

00:52:25.040 put it abducted maybe captured and so people were doing it to sort of humiliate them they did it to

00:52:30.560 keir starmer and trump and some of the senior officials and put them in a bikini and then a

00:52:36.880 very very small handful of people used it to harass women which was universally condemned by everyone

00:52:42.720 on the platform and the posts were subsequently removed um so that's what actually happened it

00:52:49.040 went further than that it was just like a trope of meme everyone was doing it it happened to carl

00:52:53.280 it happened to it happened to me i've been put in a bikini more than once i get a sense of humor

00:52:58.000 like how is it a problem i think it's people putting it on a dog there's a cute dog and they

00:53:02.240 get someone goes crock put it in a bikini i saw someone do it on a planet i was posting something

00:53:06.720 about so you have seen this stuff on your algorithm then yeah if it's directly to me it's not some

00:53:12.400 random it would be some funny guy oh but people like everything like icebergs exactly that's what i

00:53:18.240 was going to say i was i was talking about saturn or something the moons of jupiter the jovian moons 0.98

00:53:22.960 or something someone goes like um put your opa in a bikini at least you know it's your anus 1.00

00:53:31.520 terrible um come on it's like it's not that bad is it it's really not a danger to children because 0.99

00:53:37.200 that's what they start arguing isn't it that grok is an ex is a danger to children's safety and

00:53:42.080 stuff they always pivot to pivot to that like we need rush no so we need um a digital id

00:53:48.080 because otherwise there's a danger to children or something i forget how they make the argument

00:53:51.920 there's always that it was basically just a small minority of people trolling and i did see

00:53:57.280 one image that did the rounds of someone asking a child to be put in a bikini but that was being

00:54:04.000 shared because it was being universally condemned just like this is messed up don't do this but that

00:54:08.640 was the only instance of it i actually saw was people saying we this is bad however i think that

00:54:15.040 this is largely an excuse and i agree with you bo like if someone did it to me i wouldn't really

00:54:19.440 care but i think also um women tend to view this as a bit different you know that sure sanctity and 1.00

00:54:26.880 and uh privacy are sort of a social currency aren't they for the the fairest sex and so

00:54:34.080 well that's reasonable i suppose yes and so i can understand why it would make them feel uncomfortable

00:54:38.640 and it's it's not the done thing to send images of women um against their will in a bikini to them

00:54:46.000 no that's absolutely true i'm not denying that of course but does that warrant trying to destroy

00:54:52.880 x as an entity no it does it almost sounds like it's more convenient yes it's almost like they were

00:55:00.160 looking for something an excuse of course and that's exactly what's happening is that it's all political

00:55:06.240 and um i can actually just emphasize this in in my own article um i i'm skipping towards the end but

00:55:15.680 it doesn't really matter uh where is it uh it doesn't matter but anyway things didn't all of

00:55:23.040 the guys do this as well this is what i'm after here so it says by holding x to standards that are

00:55:28.480 arguably unattainable it creates a standing justification for reputational and political

00:55:33.280 attacks on a platform that is often hostile to it this is particularly attractive given that x

00:55:37.920 is the preferred platform for distance most critical of the government and the intervention

00:55:42.400 of technology secretary liz kendall um further reinforces the perception that these actions

00:55:47.120 are motivated by political ambition rather than purely by public protection um and because she urged

00:55:54.240 of com which is an independent body independent of the government to not take months and months to

00:55:59.040 reach a conclusion which seems to suggest that there's political capital at stake here otherwise

00:56:03.920 she wouldn't be interested and as i put it here is exactly right the regulatory enforcement thus

00:56:11.520 just becomes a tool for power and that's what's going on here is that it's a way of exercising power

00:56:17.040 politically under the auspices of listen we're being even-handed it's an independent organization

00:56:22.560 never mind that they do everything we want but um yeah it just happens to be conveniently attacking

00:56:29.200 our enemies i mean isn't it the old soviet thing where they just make everything illegal and then only

00:56:34.480 apply the law to their enemies that's what the chinese do yes or i mean it's much much older than 0.95

00:56:40.560 the soviet regime goes back to ancient times you basically make everyone guilty and by default

00:56:47.680 and then it's the states it's on the state to sort of allow you to continue but you're already

00:56:54.400 convicted of everything effectively that that's what tyranny is right really i mean but liz kendall

00:57:01.120 could you get more of a sort of busy bozzy busy body karen like oh she's just the worst isn't she 1.00

00:57:07.360 liz kendall like she's the arbiter of what's right and wrong liz kendall that's not a world i want to

00:57:13.520 live in to be honest no i don't want anyone to be that arbiter to be honest so it's not just offcom

00:57:19.200 that are investigating them either which by the way um just worth pointing out that um offcom if they

00:57:26.880 are found um guilty x then the regulator has the power to find the company up to 10 percent of its

00:57:35.280 worldwide revenue or 18 million which for a platform like x which is not profitable to begin with

00:57:43.360 makes the cost of operating it very very um burdensome i mean of course what they really

00:57:49.760 want is is for x to say yeah we're not going to operate in the uk anymore that's what they're

00:57:54.880 trying to push because then it's their decision not to operate here but they make the cost of

00:57:59.920 operations so extortionate that really their hand is forced and then they say exactly the same thing

00:58:08.000 but they're how are they coming at it they're coming at it through oh we covered it some other 0.68

00:58:12.000 bullshit i mean we're going to be talking about the french in a minute so yes and also it's worth 0.79

00:58:17.120 mentioning that the americans have said the american government that is um that there will be consequences 0.99

00:58:22.720 if offcom finds this um you know finds the conclusion of the investigation that x is actually guilty of

00:58:30.880 doing something and they've suggested that maybe they'll ban uk government officials from the country

00:58:36.560 in response is this the state department us state department yes and also i'd love to say i'd love

00:58:43.360 to see a showdown a staring match between the state department and offcom i would love to see that

00:58:52.080 because one isn't one is a minnow one is a toothless clawless minnow and the other is one of the most

00:58:58.160 powerful cabals of in in the world i mean the state department literally has the cia which is basically

00:59:03.360 the criminal department of the american government and they kill people whenever they can so the 0.93

00:59:08.720 state department so in some respects runs the western hemisphere yes and offcom has a bunch of fat 0.95

00:59:15.760 lesbians versus offcom i'd love to see it i'd love to see it yeah i think it could be live streamed that 0.90

00:59:22.960 would be wonderful and perhaps in the form of a cage match that would be nice but alas it's like

00:59:27.920 brock lesnar versus kevin hart but um they've also suggested this was in congress that legislation be

00:59:37.280 drafted to place sanctions on the uk if we do this and of course much of this these are very harsh

00:59:42.800 measures indeed um like banning officials from the country mainly offcom officials the ones involved

00:59:48.560 but the sanctions talk is quite strong and i don't see that necessarily happening particularly because

00:59:54.480 it's not being done by the trump administration it's being done by i think it was a house

00:59:58.800 representative um a lady from florida i think i can't remember exactly but that's not important

01:00:05.360 so um another thing that's happened since they've they've found that um you can still produce these

01:00:11.920 images even though no one sees them on the platform i haven't seen one on the platform for a long time

01:00:17.520 since they cracked down on it so apparently it's still going on and uh that was just a fad it was

01:00:24.960 just a thing people did for a couple of days and then they moved on i think it's already sort of

01:00:28.640 burnt out even if um it was available to them the tools to make it and uh what the uk has done the uk

01:00:34.800 government is introduced something in addition to the ofcom investigation now the information

01:00:40.960 commissioner's office has confirmed it has opened an investigation as well they're just making

01:00:46.720 it as difficult as possible for them to operate in in britain because chat gpt and gemini does

01:00:51.600 exactly the same thing that they will put somebody in a bikini if you ask them to yep it's just it's

01:00:56.400 just a feature of ai but they're only talking about x there's also something this is a little bit of a

01:01:04.000 a tangent but i think it's important that the government's talking about well it's sexualizing

01:01:08.960 images of women and like but it's a bikini right if the bikini is an inherently sexual item of clothing 0.92

01:01:16.000 how come you're allowed to wear it in public swimming pools and at the beach like there's

01:01:20.000 an inconsistency here good point we have to go back to pass the knees swimwear i mean i was going

01:01:27.600 to go the other way in and say we need to take a more continental approach you know how they are

01:01:31.840 you know what's the continental approach to bathing um they they don't care about the top half man or 0.98

01:01:37.920 woman god scandalous good heavens not to scare your your morals dan it is oh just so obviously

01:01:46.960 transparently not about grok and bikini images isn't it it's just so obviously not about that

01:01:54.720 no it's just obviously just a false justification yeah yes i mean just it couldn't be more obvious

01:02:00.800 real like and the fact that like starmer came out and was talking about it and you've got government

01:02:06.720 ministers frothing at the mouth oh yeah ofcom to investigate they love this stuff and and they

01:02:11.920 love it because of the political implications not because of the fact that they care about

01:02:16.960 women being slightly embarrassed publicly i remember it was probably a couple of weeks ago maybe three 0.97

01:02:21.280 weeks ago or so when um this was in the new cycle before and you had i remember seeing both liz

01:02:27.120 kendall and keir starmer and they were doing quite good acting they were doing quite a good job at

01:02:32.640 acting um genuinely outraged and annoyed like talking slightly through gritted teeth and flared

01:02:38.160 nostrils and very stern look that was completely unacceptable just be clear very good quite good

01:02:43.680 acting just be clear but they were talking about ai generated images that aren't real they weren't

01:02:48.960 getting angry about i don't know grooming gangs no no no all right no no entirely relaxed about

01:02:54.480 that but a fake image of somebody that that got them angry that's beyond the pale i mean that's

01:03:00.720 that's for them that's infuriating it cannot be allowed to stand okay but but just again to check

01:03:09.360 the mass industrial rape of british white girls that's just an administrative thing basically never 0.99

01:03:16.080 talk about it right okay yeah just lie lie lie by omission about that endlessly right says all you need 0.73

01:03:22.080 to know doesn't it yes and while this is going on um at literally the same day um that they're

01:03:28.960 announcing these investigations in france the ex-offices in paris were raided um into an investigation

01:03:37.040 into groc which how peculiar multiple allied countries doing the same shady stuff under different

01:03:43.760 pretenses at precisely the same time it's almost too good to be true isn't it some might say that

01:03:50.720 it's a you know this strange coincidence that just happens to happen all at the same time wait

01:03:58.000 you're not suggesting it's like a coordinated thing are you no i'm just i'm just noting that

01:04:04.000 every time something comes to the top of the news schedule that people don't care about that governments

01:04:09.520 do it's just funny that they always happen in every country that attends davos at the same time

01:04:16.000 it's also interesting as well that the eu has been attacking it for a very very long time

01:04:22.000 as long as it's been owned by elon tell me the french have arrested groc though yeah he can't

01:04:27.680 keep on getting away with this is he in plaster cuffs have they got have they got groc in the bastille 0.88

01:04:35.040 they're gonna throw throw him in jail and throw away the key that's what they're gonna do

01:04:40.160 can't believe it this guy's been getting away from justice for such a long time so it says the french 0.91

01:04:44.640 offices of elon musk's ex have been raided by the paris prosecutors cyber crime unit as part of an

01:04:50.320 investigation into suspected offenses including unlawful data extraction and complicity in the

01:04:57.200 possession of child pornography which is the least authentic concern of a french person i think i could

01:05:05.280 ever hear of i'm sorry france but you don't get to push that sort of thing when you're notorious you

01:05:12.320 know you're you're the the nation that produced cuties and a whole number of other strange artsy

01:05:18.800 but weirdly paedophilic things like no no no no you can't all of a sudden say we're concerned about

01:05:25.600 this you don't want the french as your moral arbiters certainly not on that issue 0.71

01:05:31.200 no um and it carries on to say prosecutor's office also said that both musk and former ex-chief

01:05:37.360 linda yaccarino had been summoned to appear at hearings in april which are of course going to be

01:05:42.320 witch trials aren't they french prosecutors say they are now investigating whether x has broken the

01:05:47.440 law across multiple areas among potential crimes it said it would investigate when complicity in

01:05:53.120 possession of organized distribution of images of children of a pornographic nature infringement of

01:05:58.800 people's image rights with sexual deepfakes and fraudulent data extraction by organized group

01:06:04.480 by an organized group should i say so a lot of these things x is not known for being deeply

01:06:12.800 associated with in the first place and any social media platform can be used in this way and what i

01:06:19.680 think is going on here is that they're holding them to this impossible standard to justify all of

01:06:26.160 these measures when other platforms have these sorts of things going on in a very small minority of cases

01:06:32.320 but it's just that the vast scale of a social media platform is such that you can't get everything

01:06:38.560 immediately and it's impossible it's funny because i do seem to remember correct me if i'm wrong but

01:06:47.280 before it was owned by elon there was loads of sexually explicit material just randomly flying all over

01:06:55.520 twitter all the time it was cleaned up a little bit and went a lot and when elon got in it was among the

01:07:00.720 first things he did made them write an algorithm or whatever it is made them write code to clean

01:07:06.720 that up massively massively i believe that was one of the among the first things that is top of his

01:07:13.040 priority i remember i did i did a segment on haiti just before elon took it over and i went to the

01:07:19.920 search bar and searched for haitian right and all i got was was haitian lone males in a state of undress

01:07:29.520 like in in like on the whole yes okay very disturbing and i was like well i'm not gonna ever use

01:07:37.920 x search function again but then i have used it after elon got in and now it actually gives you

01:07:43.680 something relating to the topic rather than just porn yeah but yeah there was a lot of porn on there

01:07:49.760 yeah a lot yeah and uh i remember him just cleaning it up massively like again within the first days or

01:07:56.320 week or two people had complained said stuff and and elon was like yeah no you're absolutely right

01:08:02.240 i'll light a fire under that we'll sort that out first and foremost and did yeah yeah i don't really

01:08:08.880 see any of that anymore no i don't why is my own producer counter signaling me in the comments

01:08:14.880 dan he's laughing as well dan learn about target advertising no there really was a lot of porn on x

01:08:24.640 so um it's worth mentioning as well that this french investigation started in january of 2025 so it's been

01:08:32.400 a year in the making until they got to this raid and when they were looking into content recommended by

01:08:37.600 x's algorithm you know probably arguing that it's biased and favoring right wingers and the like

01:08:44.000 um before widening it in july to include grok as well and all of this other stuff but um the biasing

01:08:51.120 i want to touch on briefly actually because people are talking about it like the algorithm is biasing

01:08:56.480 people but what i think has actually happened is just a genuine shift in user base in that loads of

01:09:02.480 right wingers come back to the platform because they're now unbanned the people they follow are unbanned

01:09:07.600 and therefore people are going from other alternative platforms back to to twitter as well

01:09:13.440 as at the same time loads of leftists left the platform entirely or went to blue sky

01:09:19.280 and stopped using it and so it's shifted the platform and now the algorithm even if it's as

01:09:24.400 neutral as can possibly be will show people mostly right wingers because it's mostly right wingers on

01:09:29.440 the platform and it is a shame actually that all the leftists left because i mean is that empirically

01:09:34.080 true though yeah i was just going to ask that is that really true still see loads of insane leftists

01:09:39.040 and wokeists on there i mean it is less it is less than it used to be it is and i think that that's

01:09:44.080 basic i'm not necessarily saying it's even majority i'm saying that that's what they're saying but the

01:09:48.800 shift seems to just be an organic shift rather than an algorithmic one i don't know necessarily for

01:09:54.720 certain maybe they have changed it but it seems to me to be explicable just by the changing user

01:10:02.080 base from the shift in management right that that seems reasonable to me um and then of course if

01:10:09.200 it becomes majority right wing then that gets boosted more or even there's just less of a minority

01:10:15.280 that seems reasonable to me but of course it's not actually about coming up with a reasonable

01:10:21.600 resolution to this it's about destroying the platform and that's what it's all about and as um

01:10:28.640 pavel durov who is the ceo and founder of telegram i believe um he was talking about this saying france

01:10:35.840 is the only country in the world that is criminally um persecuting all social networks that give people

01:10:42.000 some degree of freedom telegram x tick tock don't be mistaken this is not a free country which i think

01:10:48.000 yeah there's there's a political incentive to go after all of those platforms and the reason they're doing

01:10:52.720 it is not out of any concern for your well-being because you know look at how you're treated by

01:10:58.320 the government in all the other areas why are they all of a sudden so concerned about your digital

01:11:02.240 well-being when they're happy to take you know food off of your table and give it to foreigners or 1.00

01:11:07.920 you know an equivalent of that so import infinity algerians yeah there's no chance that it's genuine uh

01:11:16.880 concern about the well-being of the populace no of course not it's it's entirely political it's just that they

01:11:22.400 have an agenda and they want to destroy their enemies that's all there is to it have infinity

01:11:28.640 senegalese in your country but don't dare moan about it on twitter yep otherwise there's trouble 1.00

01:11:37.360 okay we got any rumble rants i'll have a look

01:11:43.600 okay so sigil stone says the absolute worst thing that keir starmer would hate

01:11:48.080 what you must never do is go oh

01:11:53.680 he pulled something up i don't know what that website is to download an ai

01:11:58.960 a website that i don't know whether i should read out aloud download an ai model an interface to run

01:12:04.320 on your own computer to make bikini images of keir i'd rather not thank you okay i'm glad i didn't

01:12:10.560 read the uh the website out then um but thank you for the chat um so you can do it old school right

01:12:17.200 you get you get a a magazine with a lady in a bikini you buy a newspaper with keir starmer's face

01:12:26.080 a pair of scissors old school keir starmer's face stick both of those with print stick on a bit of

01:12:30.880 cardboard then laminated take a digital image of that and post that jpeg on the internet you haven't

01:12:37.200 used ai at all grok was completely innocent technically bow actually that is um even legal

01:12:44.400 when they bring in that new law that you're not even allowed to create these images let alone share

01:12:50.080 them right okay and that would be it was pretty stick method you heard it here first

01:12:55.360 um that's random name says this is a classic tactic in any bureaucratic female dominated space 1.00

01:13:02.320 to get rid of someone you hold them to impossible standards and punish them mercilessly

01:13:06.720 for the slightest transgressions yes um many a girlfriend i've had has behaved in this way

01:13:14.320 um the only way to deal with that it's not just women that do that right but any way to deal with 1.00

01:13:18.160 someone that does that is just going no i'm not playing that game i'm not doing that no no no no no

01:13:24.000 no no no i'll do what i want i'll say what i want right now your move just call it out for

01:13:28.720 being like passive aggressive it's like why why are you being like this i just reject it i just

01:13:32.720 reject it i deny it most people who use those tactics don't fare well being called out just

01:13:38.720 openly yeah right yeah so i i take it back a step and whenever i encounter somebody who might do

01:13:43.920 that i make a point of showing that i've forgotten their name every time i meet them just to

01:13:48.960 emphasize the point that we're not even playing that game yet let alone the one where you

01:13:53.920 get to nag me and then uh that's random names oh no i've just read that one there was another one

01:14:00.320 wasn't there um sigil stone says that the site that they recommended is a legal site they host ai

01:14:06.320 models of all kinds to run on your own machine good place to go if you're interested in that sort of

01:14:10.960 thing like a one-stop shop okay so it's called hugging face which is an ai sorry the mouse was in

01:14:17.360 the wrong place here we go um unstealthy yeti says dan you forgot that they will raise all taxes to

01:14:24.560 deal with the epstein matter yes that's also very likely yes okay that's all of the rumble chats now

01:14:32.080 all right well we got it we got a video of a dog lovely

01:14:39.040 what they want to diversify the countryside by sending out people that don't like dogs what savages would do

01:14:47.200 this as sakura says the only problem with communism is it didn't kill enough communists

01:14:57.760 oh what a good boy yeah it's a funny it's a funny line yeah lovely lad i've seen response to my

01:15:02.640 segment yesterday yeah they're trying to to get local um bodies responsible for natural beauty areas 0.98

01:15:11.760 to disincentivize people bringing dogs because muslims are scared of them i just hate them 1.00

01:15:18.240 they've been brought up to dislike them yeah i'm very deeply suspicious of people that don't like dogs 0.84

01:15:23.600 if only there was a muslim country somewhere yeah they could flee 51 52 of them perhaps yeah also 1.00

01:15:32.480 if if the british people are forced to choose between muslims and dogs 0.98

01:15:36.320 i know what one i would pick yes i'd much rather have the dogs in my country thank you i feel like

01:15:42.560 there is something wrong with your mind if you fundamentally dislike dogs i know but i mean

01:15:49.440 animals in general really like i like cats i like all pets your wiring's gone haywire somewhere 0.92

01:15:56.240 yes what's this video yeah but before you judge me know this yes i was on the sex island but only for

01:16:04.800 the snorkeling i didn't know anything about the kids stuff oh no look 95 of what went on down

01:16:10.160 there was not pedophilia oh yeah no the other five percent that sullied the whole operation yeah it

01:16:15.600 sure did well you know it ain't just me you guys's names are on those documents

01:16:22.480 yep is this recent sunny because i haven't seen that one that must be quite recent i haven't seen

01:16:27.200 this one either okay it looks like a recent one they look a little bit older there don't they

01:16:31.600 i love sunny i've re-watched the earlier seasons a few times but the last two or three seasons i

01:16:35.600 haven't seen i really need to catch up i'm not even gonna bother to be honest really i like the

01:16:39.760 the earlier ones but the modern ones they seem to drop the ball a little bit from what i've seen maybe

01:16:45.840 not you know sometimes i've seen clips of things that have been shared and they give you a wrong

01:16:51.200 impression there's actually some good stuff to it but i think that these they're trying to almost

01:16:57.280 live up to their own standard that they set and they're not really doing it okay

01:17:02.800 can you make out your comments or should i read them um i can try i can try and then no more video

01:17:08.400 comments no i think we've run out of those um michael drabelbis the guy with the doggies

01:17:15.840 he says beau's breakfast club is the bbc without the noncery 0.70

01:17:20.800 kevin fox said david lammy is as sharp as a tack sorry didn't mean tack meant trunk

01:17:27.280 okay harry ashman says uh i feel with mandelson apparently allegedly committing blatant insider

01:17:33.120 trading is the least of the apparent crimes working with foreign powers against the government and the

01:17:38.400 people is espionage bouldering on treason yeah i think it's something it's a reasonable thing to

01:17:44.560 say yeah uh ewan baker says maybe manderson helped supply starmer with rent boys

01:17:49.920 that's the other thing i should have included that in my segment um apparently those young men

01:18:02.480 turning up at starmer's house that that was a russian operation as well or was it yeah was it now

01:18:08.800 it's three different groups of men at multiple different properties that he's owned over the years

01:18:14.000 it's interesting as well that they went to a property that if you were to investigate where

01:18:19.840 he lives today wouldn't even come up not that no his residence does these are residents from a few

01:18:25.760 years ago what like three or four years ago lies that they've got some sort of experience of going

01:18:30.240 there doesn't it well yes and also these boys are 19 now so 19 minus three or four well i can't do

01:18:36.400 the math anyway one of them is and they're all ukrainian nationals right um but all being run out 0.97

01:18:42.800 of out of moscow center again interesting those damn ruskies i mean they they they really do their 1.00

01:18:49.360 work don't they i mean recruiting ukrainians to do your work as a russian that's that's going to be 0.96

01:18:54.400 tough because i mean the first time i saw that story i just thought oh look all these young men and

01:18:58.800 they're all they're all on this male model app i thought it was just as innocent as you know it'd be

01:19:03.920 you'd be two o'clock in the morning on a saturday night in starmer's flat and he would have a bit

01:19:09.680 of male modeling he needs doing maybe he needs a watch modeled or something and he'd go on the app

01:19:13.920 and they'd come around and then he forgot to pay them or something and but because he was so busy

01:19:18.800 with you know being leader of the opposition or whatever and that's why it happened but no it was

01:19:23.200 it was a russian operation the entire time you could have guessed yeah quite um um for my something

01:19:30.560 uh michael drybell was um why aren't uh any chinese or russian officials in the epstein files

01:19:36.720 make you wonder yes there there are whole classes of people who don't appear in the epstein files once

01:19:43.600 yeah a lot of a lot of a lot of right wingers of a certain bent just don't appear in the epstein files

01:19:49.840 i found it interesting as well that there's all these all these tech people and then bezos and

01:19:56.160 zuckerberg didn't show up really at all um because they're notorious for being sort of as as they've

01:20:02.480 been dubbed by the internet wife men in that they spend all their time with their wives and their

01:20:07.760 families and the like and it almost seems like if you have a family you're not captured by this

01:20:14.240 organization as i was actually thinking about this recently that in eyes wide shut the sort of message

01:20:21.520 of the film at the end is that they you know they go out and about having having become aware that

01:20:27.440 there's this weird elite sex cult and at the end they they realize okay the only resistance we have to

01:20:34.320 this is to come together as a family i think kubrick being the very astute man that he was

01:20:41.440 sort of knew what he was saying is that is that the only people who are susceptible to these these

01:20:47.120 rings and and are prone to going to these islands and parties and what have you are people who don't

01:20:52.640 have a family or don't have a proper relationship which is a side effect of them being a massive

01:20:56.800 pervert yes yes most people want can be corrupted by is power money and sex yeah the thing is all of 0.74

01:21:06.880 these people already had power and money and i mean sex isn't that hard to come by as i say if you've 0.87

01:21:11.680 got any two of those you could probably get the third one usually it's a bit of a funny yes but

01:21:17.440 yeah um um i know it is interesting that xi jinping was never invited to little saint james

01:21:24.000 why apparently and why why is tucker not on there because because we're supposed to hear that the

01:21:28.160 tucker's a russian agent so so why wasn't why isn't tucker being in he's a very famously a family

01:21:33.520 man isn't he hasn't he got like a hundred kids i wouldn't be surprised he's got like six kids

01:21:37.680 hasn't he he's got loads of kids yes so all of these people that we're told are a bit dodgy but

01:21:43.440 are actually just decent family men they're just not on the files at all you're a decent family man

01:21:49.120 and you've already got enough money and fame to satisfy you yes and you're not sort of incorruptible

01:21:54.480 yes i guess maybe uh kevin fox says all uh these people posting online the epstein list should be made

01:22:02.080 uh should should be made to put alongside each name whether the name appears in the file as an

01:22:07.440 affiliate customer of epstein or just mentioned by somebody in an email yeah we've got to comb through

01:22:13.920 it and it's going to take a while to unpick some of this stuff the dodgy thing is they put a load of

01:22:18.080 tip line stuff in there all right and we really could be any old crank saying absolutely anything so

01:22:24.080 a lot of that will be will be nonsense um tp pt says remember when bojo casually mentioned that

01:22:32.160 putin bugged the number 10 uh private bathroom on a visit and nothing came of it oh sorry i meant it

01:22:40.400 was oh another world leader um is mentioned there um on the epstein uh was a ruski uh how is it any

01:22:51.280 better for clinton bush mandelton etc it's not so much that epstein was uh likely to be an

01:22:57.600 intelligence asset it's whom he was funneling info four and two who cares if it was a moroccan

01:23:04.320 secret agent um that was backing him with unlimited drugs money yes i mean ultimately for the people

01:23:10.000 caught up in it shouldn't make any difference if you're channeling money to a foreign government

01:23:13.920 or intelligence i mean that that i mean that should that that should absolutely do it um i think we're in

01:23:20.880 we'll end my bits there for you sure um michael says x has become the free speech wild west lots

01:23:28.560 of people shooting from the hip lots of people saying what they want the eurocrats can't have

01:23:33.520 the euro uh peons uh figuring out that they're being treated like goats in certain sections of london

01:23:40.400 what do you call a men up with free goats a pimp i didn't expect that to go there but okay

01:23:47.600 okay and sophie live says i tried putting myself in a bikini using grok um i it was honestly

01:23:53.920 disappointing um that was the most unflattering bikini in the world i would have been better 0.51

01:23:59.200 served just to take a photo you wouldn't think um at least the ai would make my boobs big and 0.98

01:24:04.640 glorious but no honestly look like a pudgy male body with my head attached we see if you said that to

01:24:11.840 people it would have just stopped no enough sophie because when i did the bikini thing to myself i

01:24:17.040 got the same result so yeah when someone did a bikini of me and it was yeah it was much tubbier

01:24:22.960 my actual real physique and torso is better than what they made me look like on ai i was like oh

01:24:28.960 someone did one to me and it was quite flattering i was just all right well thank you there's

01:24:32.240 you've you've underestimated how flabby i've become in my early 30s um and then finally

01:24:42.000 i'm not going to read that actually too spicy uh i can't see what it was uh let's just read um

01:24:50.560 lord inquisitor hector rex uh remember a few months back when there was a dignify app that would put

01:24:55.920 um i'm not going to use the word because i i not because i think it's offensive but because it is

01:25:02.320 it's not white coded um ladies of the night in respectable clothes and women freaked out 1.00

01:25:08.720 i wish they'd make up their minds well it was hilarious that people when people using the ai

01:25:13.840 against all of these um adult entertainers let's say they were getting so annoyed at people

01:25:21.440 dressing them back up yeah i saw that a couple of times that was funny it was yeah there's a

01:25:26.560 shameless thought and there's like put them in a sensible blouse and a cardigan and give them a 0.98

01:25:31.520 family yeah yeah yeah yeah that was funny there were some that were slightly more mean-spirited that

01:25:39.200 i still found funny that was just like what would she look like without any tattoos and face piercing 1.00

01:25:45.040 and it's always better i was just about to say is it's always better it's just like they're just

01:25:49.920 markers of your own mental health issues but i'll leave it there excellent well um thank you very

01:25:56.800 much for joining us and um have we got anything else coming up today no i don't think so

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The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1347

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