The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1349

00:00:00.000 Hello everyone, welcome to the podcast of the Lotus Eaters. Today is Friday the 6th of February

00:00:04.680 and this is episode 1349. I'm your host, Brother Stelios, and I'm pleased to be joined by Brother

00:00:11.000 Nick. Hello, just us two sat across a massive table like Putin. Yeah, exactly. That's how it

00:00:17.240 is. It's the Kremlin here. Right. Okay, so we are going to discuss whether the next Prime Minister

00:00:26.440 is going to be even worse. The Groepers sabotaging the Republicans and the MAGA movement and the

00:00:32.700 scandalous trad eagle question, which I hope this is going to be a fun one. We'll relax, we'll sit

00:00:40.300 back and we'll just enjoy, see what happens. Just enjoy the misogyny. Just two men. Right. And

00:00:48.320 before we start with the first segment, we have three announcements to make. Number one, the Bo Show.

00:00:53.480 Check out Bo's show every morning, 8am till 9. Bo's show is excellent. Bo is excellent, so check his

00:01:03.700 show out. We have Lad's Hour at 3pm today. The Starmer bunker, what's going on now, which I think

00:01:13.320 is related to your first segment. And the third announcement is that we have a new website beta

00:01:21.060 version accessible to gold members. So access it and tell us what you think about it. But I like more

00:01:29.180 alpha situations. Yeah, yeah, we're more alpha here. Yeah. Remember Jesse Lee Peterson, beta.

00:01:35.820 Based. Based. All right. So check out the website, but also check out my segment now because it's going

00:01:41.720 to be pretty good because we're asking the question, is the new Prime Minister going to be even worse?

00:01:47.040 Yes. And who is the one man that could save Labour? There's always one man, you know, in a movie like,

00:01:52.760 well, there is one man. No, we can't ask him. You know, happens in Good Will Hunting, happens in

00:01:57.220 Darkest Hour. There's always a one man that you don't want to ask where he's like, well, I don't know,

00:02:00.740 he's a maverick. He is a maverick. So there's one maverick that you may not have even heard of

00:02:04.240 that they might ask. But anyway, let's crack on. So Great Britain getting ready for its sixth Prime

00:02:09.840 Minister in less than 10 years. And we're asking, are we the Italians now? Are we the Italians?

00:02:14.620 Is it more French? Well, they have massive political instability.

00:02:18.940 Well, yeah, but Italians have that like proportional representation where they end up with like 13

00:02:22.220 parties at once and stuff. So people are mocking it. But yeah, first past the post, we were told

00:02:26.700 it was stable. But is it when it's full of effwits? All right. So that's the first question to ask.

00:02:33.720 Who is ready? The second question, who's ready for PM Rainer? This is what it's going to be like,

00:02:37.800 guys. That's what it's going to look like. Is that like an insult to like chavs or something? I feel

00:02:43.540 like this is class-based humor. I feel that's quite... Maybe it should be better than Starmer.

00:02:48.160 What do you think? That's the question. Can anyone be worse than Starmer? We're going to find out.

00:02:53.260 I mean, yes, I think actually. Shockingly, I think Miliband, Rainer. I think these would both be worse.

00:02:59.720 I think the problem with this question is that it can always get worse. Yes. So be careful what we wish

00:03:05.400 for. What you wish for. Yeah. Though I still want... Let me be very clear. I still want to see the back

00:03:08.980 of him anyway. Yeah. Because just on sort of principle... It's the justice of the matter.

00:03:12.980 Yeah. It doesn't matter if next moment is going to be incredibly worse. Yeah. If this is more

00:03:19.020 your wheelhouse, but it's sort of deontology versus consequentialism, I want him to be gone

00:03:23.160 on principle, even though it's going to be bad. Right? So Rayl Bradman, Sola Bradman's husband,

00:03:30.920 have our Sanders sunk so low? Here's the question. That Angela Rayner could be considered the next

00:03:34.600 prime minister, a sober measure of how far the bar has fallen in British politics. And

00:03:38.640 there you go. Big Ange doing her thing. That's so funny. That's like an AI that you would

00:03:45.640 have made of her, but it's real. But it isn't. Just the aesthetics of it. Yeah. Like she vapes

00:03:52.100 to resurrect antiquity or something. Yeah. Hilarious. I can't believe that's real. Okay. So,

00:03:58.760 well, Starmer in Grave Peril. So Starmer's premiership in Grave Peril is Angela Rayner,

00:04:03.060 twist the knife. So the reason I bring up Rayner first is people say she is on manoeuvres. She

00:04:07.900 is absolutely going for it. She has twisted the knife. Now it's dramatic talk. What does

00:04:13.360 it really mean? It means that when Starmer was under pressure over Mandelson, she asked

00:04:18.660 a question in the house that was very much against Starmer, putting a little bit of extra

00:04:22.880 pressure on him. Let's just have a watch. Oops. I thank the minister for giving away and

00:04:28.060 giving the public disgust and the sickening behaviour of Peter Mandelson and the importance

00:04:32.820 of transparency. In 2022, I proposed a humble address seeking information about PPE, which

00:04:38.780 the party opposite resisted. And my honourable friend, the member for Hackney South mentioned

00:04:43.280 just before, should we not have the ISC not have the same role now in keeping public confidence

00:04:50.280 in the process?

00:04:51.320 So she's asking a question, you know, should we not be more transparent with this Mandelson

00:04:55.940 thing? And it was when he was under so much pressure anyway. So that was seen, even though

00:04:59.540 it looks relatively subtle, especially by Rayner's standards, it looks, it was seen as twisting

00:05:04.380 the knife on Starmer and her making a sort of partly, part of her making a move.

00:05:09.080 A fair question, though.

00:05:11.660 Yeah, fair question. Yeah, of course. I mean, yeah, it's terrible, the Mandelson stuff. But she was,

00:05:16.320 she didn't like say, oh, I love the prime minister and support him. She said, by the way,

00:05:20.060 what about this other thing we should do? So it was seen as an attack on him. And not only that,

00:05:24.120 but Labour MPs urge Rayner to challenge Starmer for leadership. So it says Labour MPs have privately

00:05:29.920 urged Angela Rayner and West Streeting to launch a leadership challenge against Starmer over the Lord

00:05:34.360 Mandelson scandal the Telegraph can reveal. One minister said the situation had become existential

00:05:39.000 for Zakir, claiming that basically everyone is urging a leadership challenge in private.

00:05:44.360 Ms. Rayner, the deputy, former deputy PM, and Mr. Streeting have emerged as the obvious contenders.

00:05:49.360 So there you go. So everyone wants them to launch a challenge. And more on the start on

00:05:55.440 Rayner being on manoeuvres. She's been working the tea room. Now, I know when you hear that Rayner's

00:06:01.320 been working the tea room, oh, she's got a new job following the taxing. No, she's been lobbying

00:06:05.780 people in the tea room saying, oh, would you support me if it came down to it? Something like

00:06:10.140 that, I'm guessing. And Tice explains this for us. Well, for the first time yesterday,

00:06:15.320 I saw Angela Rayner working the tea room quite actively. Let's put it like that.

00:06:21.180 What does that mean? That means that she was schmoozing her potential allies in a leadership

00:06:28.760 bid. And there was a focus, a sort of steely focus in everything about Angela Rayner yesterday

00:06:39.620 that indicated to me that there's something's going on here. And she has to be joint favourite

00:06:47.620 with Miliband, would be my hunch.

00:06:49.700 Must be interesting to watch. Can I just get your opinion quickly? I've been told Richard

00:06:53.080 Tice, the deputy leader of reform, has to go at 7.15. Revolting, front page of The Sun,

00:06:58.800 we've obviously talked about Labour's forcing Starmer's U-turn. Quick comment.

00:07:04.780 Don't you need all that? So, she's on manoeuvres in the tea room. And more on this here. If

00:07:13.040 someone had pulled the trigger, MPs rue lack of challenger to oust Starmer. So this is where

00:07:17.280 they're saying, basically, Starmer needs to go, but everyone's too gutless to step up

00:07:21.600 and do it. So, and it mentions the tea room again, finally. So it says, in the tea room

00:07:27.380 during the debate, it was the first time I've heard people openly discussing candidates and

00:07:31.180 challenges, not caring who heard one Labour source said. So, everyone's, she's on manoeuvres,

00:07:38.780 but it also points out that, so another MP said they are contempt for leadership contenders

00:07:42.520 who had not taken their chance. Sometimes in politics, it's about leadership. We needed

00:07:46.400 leadership. So, go on.

00:07:48.920 No, there's another question I have, because when I'm thinking of the Labour Party and the

00:07:53.360 politicians and the Labour Party, I can't think of any strong personality there. So, the question is,

00:08:00.020 who is weaker or who is less weak than others? So, that's one thing. What I ask here is, do they

00:08:06.760 think that Starmer is faced with the trouble now and they're trying to take the leadership

00:08:13.600 position from him, or do they think that things are actually going to get worse and they want him

00:08:19.160 to get all the blame for what is worse to come, and then at some point he loses the next election

00:08:25.860 or something, and then it's the right time for someone to step in?

00:08:30.480 Yeah, it's a great question. One thing people are worried about is they come in before the May

00:08:33.820 local elections. They get spanked in that, and that's on them rather than Starmer. So, many

00:08:38.760 people think he will limp on to the summer. Yeah. And you would never rule Starmer out just limping

00:08:43.320 on because he's a, sort of, that's his one skill, really. He's being completely dense, completely

00:08:47.300 unaware, unaware of how bad he looks, unaware that he's the least popular Prime Minister in British

00:08:52.060 history, and he just kind of carries on. But yes, people don't want to step up. Reina's got to

00:08:56.740 get over her tax thing. She's not been cleared by HMRC. Streeting is now known, he's now associated

00:09:03.980 with Maddelson because he's good friends with Maddelson. So, there's a reason for all of them

00:09:08.040 not to step up. But also, I just can't picture him as a leader because Streeting constantly has

00:09:14.500 this scared look. Yes, like he's seen a ghost or something. I just, I just can't see him as a leader.

00:09:21.360 I think he's the, I see him as the most likely, other than Reina or Miliband. It's between those

00:09:26.700 three. I unfortunately could see him. I mean, because Starmer's hardly a leader, is he?

00:09:31.860 Starmer's the most forgettable guy at a forgettable guy convention. Anyway, about two,

00:09:37.500 so most dangerous moment came after lunchtime on Wednesday. About 2pm, if someone had pulled

00:09:41.480 the trigger, he would have moved. So, someone was, it was there to be taken. Seize the crown,

00:09:45.960 pick up the crown, but no one did because they are P words. How about this? Hang on,

00:09:53.640 is that going to be there? Oh, yeah. How about Reina and Burnham in a dream team? This is one

00:09:59.160 possibility. So, one possibility is Reina, which we looked at. One possibility is Reina and Burnham.

00:10:03.340 So, Eleanor Mills here says, Burnham and Reina are the dream team to succeed Keir. Lol, lol, lol.

00:10:08.600 And the whole article is just basically about that. Nothing really worth picking out. It's just

00:10:12.200 claims that Burnham can recover from this being blocked and that the obvious person to be his

00:10:17.160 deputy is Big Ange and the two of them together, the dream team. That's the dream team now,

00:10:21.920 Stelios. Imagine the level we've sunk to. We used to have people like Powell, Tony Benn.

00:10:27.040 Nope. Now it's those two. I know what you mean about speaking. Look at his face.

00:10:32.960 Why is his hair so short when he's got that kind of big face? It looks like a mug.

00:10:37.060 Literally a mug. Not a mug like you mug, but like an actual cup.

00:10:39.880 So, Tom Harris, get ready for Prime Minister Streeting. Are you ready, Stelios? It sounded

00:10:45.320 like you weren't ready. No, no. You're not ready. This is not something I want to see.

00:10:49.360 This is the other possibility. But he, of course, as I said, good friends of Manelson's. It's now

00:10:52.560 looking dodgy for old streeting, even though he was surely the main contender. Look at him there,

00:10:57.220 just thinking, can I get him? Can I get him? It's frightening. That's why he's scared.

00:11:02.560 Yeah. It's frightening because part of it is Stelma's weakness in some respects,

00:11:08.000 but also it's his policies. But I can't understand it that well because if they did,

00:11:14.360 they wouldn't be the leftists. Right. It's a weird thing going on here.

00:11:18.700 And they all want to be in power because they're politicians, but they must also know

00:11:21.300 the phrase in English is sticky wicket. This is a sticky wicket because you're coming into a fight

00:11:26.580 that's collapsing just before the May elections. Hated in the country. Only got in because of the

00:11:30.980 Tories being more hated and reformer on the up. So it's a terrible time to come in. The Greens

00:11:35.420 are on the up. You wouldn't want it to be a terrible time. But then again, that's the time

00:11:40.020 you can get it sometimes when it's a bad time. So I don't know. IDS here, Ian Duncan-Smith,

00:11:44.960 thinks it's going to be old Ed Miliband. That's the other option for you.

00:11:50.140 It is definitely a case that the present environment secretary may well make it if he puts his hat in

00:11:57.560 the ring. He's overwhelmingly popular. Miliband.

00:12:00.120 Yeah, but David, not David, but Miliband, Ed Miliband is the key. Sorry, I should have

00:12:04.740 mentioned his name before. Oh, our audience will know who you mean when you say the environment

00:12:08.240 secretary. Yeah, because of course he's been wrong on all of this and he's behaving in a

00:12:11.320 sort of communist-like fashion, imposing rules and regulations on ordinary members of the public,

00:12:15.580 making the cost of motoring higher. But he's very popular with the members, isn't he?

00:12:19.280 But the Labour Party members love him because this is the kind of socialism that they want.

00:12:23.600 And he is doing it. So if he put his... So you got the... Oh, he even says he'll almost

00:12:28.220 certainly get it. You'd end up with him, without question, I think.

00:12:33.020 Without question. So he really thinks it'll be Ed Miliband. And certainly he's... Many polls

00:12:37.320 have suggested he's the most popular with the party, but terribly unpopular with the public.

00:12:43.220 And he already had a stab at it. It was awful.

00:12:45.180 I have a very bad scenario. I don't think it's likely.

00:12:49.220 OK.

00:12:49.460 But it's nightmarish. Labour teaming up with the Green Party and Polanski's the next PM.

00:12:57.340 Disturbingly plausible. I mean, some coalition is definitely plausible, isn't it? Or at least

00:13:01.780 some voting standoff. Tactical voting is almost a certainty. Labour, Lib Dem and the Greens.

00:13:08.460 Lib Dems and Labour seem like basically one thing now in Parliament, the Parliamentary,

00:13:11.840 but the Greens are a little bit different. Polanski's a little bit rogue because

00:13:14.960 he's so crazy. He's not like a Starmer who's at least ostensibly sensible. He's just like

00:13:20.480 full-on bat bleep.

00:13:22.520 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Crazy. He's crazy, crazy.

00:13:25.160 He's crazy, crazy. And they got rid of Corbyn, so they don't really love those full-on communists.

00:13:30.560 But then again, maybe that's the way it's going. That could almost happen.

00:13:34.720 Another possibility is Shabana Mahmood, which is Kemi's pick.

00:13:39.080 Anyone in the cabinet that I admire, no.

00:13:42.000 Some of them are better than others. I think Shabana Mahmood is someone who shows that she's

00:13:50.300 better than her colleagues. I doubt that they will ever let her have a go. But I think that

00:13:54.720 she is at least honest about the problems that the country is facing and doesn't pander.

00:14:00.420 So, Kemi's pick is Shabana Mahmood. What do you think? Tougher on immigration, at least in theory,

00:14:06.760 but a sort of fairly hardcore Muslim?

00:14:09.760 She could be tough on immigration, but the question is what kind of immigration?

00:14:13.900 Because let's say if we're talking about migration from Africa and she is very tough on Christians

00:14:19.140 from Africa, but not particularly tough on Muslims, then I don't see how this is good for,

00:14:24.900 at least from the perspective of someone who is more, who is a Christian.

00:14:29.480 Yeah. And is it just all rhetoric? Because it sounded like on the small boats,

00:14:34.240 she was actually just going to change the wording and say they, and try and get them into work

00:14:37.760 more efficiently, which is not what we want. She's like, I've heard you on the small boats,

00:14:41.400 we'll get them working. No, that's not what we want. We wanted to stop the boat. So yeah.

00:14:45.500 Yeah. And also it's just that she's just, we have to see what she's going to do. She has made

00:14:51.220 some statements about being a bit tougher on things, but we need to see what she's going to do.

00:14:57.300 I know some people on the right are really happy with her and they're saying, oh, she's the most

00:15:01.620 base and more right-wing than the Tories and stuff. We have to see what is going to happen.

00:15:07.380 In a bunch of extremely left-wing people.

00:15:08.700 I can't see her as the leader of the party. I can't see her.

00:15:13.020 No. Well, can we say it's not going to happen? So it's very unlikely. Yeah. But in a bunch

00:15:17.140 of extremely left people, she's probably the most to the right. Then it's probably streating.

00:15:21.940 Then you've got Burnham, Rainer, Miliband, they're all just fully left and mental.

00:15:27.980 The thing is, some of them have lots of baggage.

00:15:30.680 They all have baggage.

00:15:32.080 Yeah. Some more than others though.

00:15:34.000 Rainer has the baggage and streating probably, probably Miliband from the previous time

00:15:38.680 who's in. Yeah, they all have baggage. Burnham doesn't have baggage.

00:15:41.280 So maybe they come up with a completely new face.

00:15:44.000 That's coming. So that's coming. Don't worry. That's coming. In fact, right now, we go back

00:15:50.260 to this Guardian article and you ask for a new face, Stadios, and a new face I will deliver.

00:15:56.540 I'll tell you what it's going to be. And this is a tip for me. You've not heard anywhere else,

00:16:01.400 unless you really follow this stuff nerdishly. Some said they were now beginning to seriously

00:16:05.980 consider. Back in the Defence Minister, Al Karnes, a former Royal Marine, should he decide

00:16:11.640 to stand, Karnes is currently in the Arctic. So Karnes is the guy that everyone's talking

00:16:17.620 about. Here, MPs are suggesting Al Karnes as possible new leader, but I'd advise having

00:16:22.340 detailed account of military record before considering him. Well, yeah, not vetting people

00:16:25.720 has gone a bit wrong for Labour. Labour bigwigs imposed Karnes on Birmingham's Selly Oak with

00:16:29.780 no public scrutiny after Stamber persuaded Steve McCabe to step down in return for peerage.

00:16:34.120 So he's worried about the scrutiny. First response, never heard of him. Also this post,

00:16:39.260 only 193 likes. Yeah. I know I said it and lots of people responded to me who, but it's

00:16:44.760 like, well, yeah, he's not that well. That's kind of the point. But yeah, but that does make

00:16:48.660 it extremely unlikely. But here, you know, we're in sort of the last chance saloon for Labour.

00:16:52.700 So here we go. The political and media class is obsessed with the idea of a PM with military

00:16:57.060 background, which we haven't had since Callaghan World War Two generation. At various moments,

00:17:01.020 Clive Lewis, Dan Jarvis, Tobias Elwood and co were supposed to waltz into Downing Street

00:17:05.640 and rescue Britain from the morass. So he's saying, oh, it's not such a great thing just

00:17:11.060 because they're ex-military. Although it is better than someone who's done absolutely

00:17:14.760 nothing of value, which is most of Labour.

00:17:18.660 Another one?

00:17:19.280 Them having done nothing of value is better than them having done things of negative value.

00:17:23.360 Yeah. Right. The old Aesop's fable about King Log and King Stork. Do you know what that is?

00:17:28.280 Which one? I don't remember the particular one.

00:17:31.740 The Aesop's fable. They want the frogs saying, well, we've got this king. It's just a log.

00:17:36.200 It doesn't do anything. It's rubbish. They say, OK, don't worry, we'll sort it.

00:17:39.360 And the next king is a stork that eats them all. So they're like, we wanted the log.

00:17:43.020 At least it didn't do anything bad. So the Al-Khan's thing is just mad.

00:17:47.480 A 2024er, meaning he's very recent, who is still a junior minister becoming PM with no record

00:17:52.440 in the Labour Party, are people high. But I suggest that having no record in the Labour Party

00:17:56.020 could be a good thing. Yeah, that's actually a good thing. But also, they love the idea

00:18:00.780 of renewing things. And that works well in leftist circles. It's not necessarily bad in

00:18:08.980 right-wing circles, but especially in the left, they like the idea of people not having a past

00:18:16.840 in politics. Because they, it's easier for them to blame all the rest as, you know, compromised

00:18:24.380 and corrupted. Because that's one of the issues with many leftists is that they can handle using

00:18:30.320 power in their own circles. They can maintain power in, you know, on a state level, but within

00:18:36.960 their own circles, they sort of lose a kind of prestige if they yield power, wield power.

00:18:44.340 Really?

00:18:45.340 I think so. And because lots of them come to the fore with a sort of maximalist rhetoric.

00:18:53.880 And when they put it into practice, it's a bit more pragmatic and realistic. And lots

00:18:59.300 of the initial supporters are then attacking them and say, you're corrupt.

00:19:06.300 Yeah, you couldn't even do the basic minor cuts to disability benefits or whatever it was

00:19:10.780 or benefits in general. Yeah, it would have been a drop in the ocean. You didn't tax them a hundred

00:19:14.840 percent. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're right. And yeah, you're right. They like renewal. I mean,

00:19:18.680 Stam has been going about renewal or no one, they're enemies of renewal. It's like, I've no

00:19:22.660 idea what you're talking about. No one knows what this means. But, um, you like saying it. So

00:19:27.060 Karns, where is Karns though? Good question. This is where he is staying well out of it in the

00:19:31.960 Arctic. He's like, what leadership, what leader, what labor collapse? I'm out, I'm out here in Norway

00:19:36.860 based just like total Chad, a nice sheet. Um, he's currently in reservist training here in Norway

00:19:44.980 on Marine Surveillance and Reconnaissance Squadron. Pretty cool. Dusting off some old skills and drills

00:19:49.480 in the Arctic Circle. He's like, yeah, I'm just that kind of guy. It's actually the best place

00:19:53.560 for him to be, right? Yeah. What you want me to lead? I'm sorry, I can't. I'm just dusting off my

00:19:57.180 skills in the Arctic Circle. It's like a movie gets the call. What leader of the labor party?

00:20:01.760 Yeah. If you want that kind of isolation, like I'm in the Arctic, no human around in

00:20:07.720 a radius of 30 miles. And then you're starting to say you have to lead the country.

00:20:12.380 Yeah. It's so, so funny. I'm sorry, man. There is one man we cut to the Arctic. Yeah. Above shot

00:20:17.640 drone. And it's just like, he's literally on the thing with the ice pick. He's on a mountain. He's

00:20:22.720 like, yeah, Storm has gone. I'll be there. And then he's on the next shot. He's on the plane.

00:20:30.400 And then there's a blizzard and he isn't there. Yeah. He dies. Or he says that he says there's a

00:20:35.940 blizzard or something. Yeah. Actually, he's a bit of an action man. So a bit of a geezer. I mean,

00:20:40.380 you know, you could do worse. You could do worse. Although I'm not a fan of face masks

00:20:46.400 in general. But yeah, so that's Al Carnes for you. Now, who else said Al Carnes could be

00:20:51.020 a good pick? Our old friend, Dominic Cummings, back in January. First person I heard say it.

00:20:57.600 Is there anyone in the Labor Party who you think, even if it's unlikely that they could

00:21:01.380 be elected, would actually do not just a better job, but a half decent job?

00:21:07.300 So the only, so I know close to zero Labor MPs. There's one Labor MP who I worked with

00:21:13.260 in government because of his role then, and that's the current Armed Forces Minister Al

00:21:17.180 Carnes. So I had some dealings, professional dealings, not political, obviously, because

00:21:21.300 he was working in the Armed Forces at the time when I was in government. I had dealings with

00:21:25.540 him. He obviously comes from a certain background and understands about building a team and could

00:21:35.600 do certain things that most MPs couldn't do. However, I think there's no chance that he's

00:21:41.340 going to get put in. Labor were going to put in Miliband or Rayner or someone on the left,

00:21:46.840 because they just want a left person to do left things. And they will drive all the pathologies

00:21:51.580 worse and worse. And then they'll blame racism and capitalism and everything for that. And they'll

00:21:58.140 just keep doubling down.

00:21:58.980 Okay. That was Cummings' verdict. Quite interesting, because Cummings is someone now, people don't

00:22:04.800 like him because he was pro-lockdown or the various scandals and so on in the Boris era,

00:22:09.660 but at least he's someone clearly smart, knows the inside, knows what it takes, knows how hard

00:22:14.600 it is when you're up against the civil service and the blob. And he's saying Al Carnes could

00:22:17.700 actually build a team, Marines background, but they'll never give him it.

00:22:20.980 Yeah. So anyway, but I just thought it'd be interesting because people may not have heard,

00:22:24.180 especially if you're in America or something, now you're going to know about Al Carnes, which,

00:22:28.080 you know, maybe niche knowledge if you're not in the country. But I thought it's my job to cover

00:22:32.580 these serious political topics, you know, because what I used to do on the TV, I wanted to do the

00:22:36.380 e-girls thing. I thought, no, I can't do that. It's ridiculous. But then you're covering it.

00:22:40.120 So we'll get onto that later. I'll do this boring bit and we'll do the fun stuff. So that is my bit

00:22:44.840 for today. Great. Let's read the comments. Oh, yeah.

00:22:48.760 So I don't know how to scroll these.

00:22:51.660 Okay. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Oh, I can scroll them.

00:22:55.140 Yeah. Do you want me to read them? I can read them. So we start with the bottom,

00:22:58.740 do we generally? Yeah. With Law 850. I watched a great interview Tommy did on Nurse Amy. She's

00:23:03.720 fighting accusations of racism, urban scoop on X. Interesting. Thank you for the chat.

00:23:10.100 I'm drunk change, a drunk changing says only one man can save labor. Have they tried Lowe's

00:23:14.540 groundskeeper? Harry on our goal, perhaps, says if Labour got in, if Lammy got in, sorry,

00:23:22.820 they would just bang on about him being the first black PM, which would provide the perfect

00:23:26.320 cover for his. Can we say that on YouTube? Our word, we probably can't say on YouTube.

00:23:30.080 If you have reservations, best not say it.

00:23:34.240 Point out how stupid Lammy is and you'll be called a racist. Well, that is certainly true.

00:23:37.700 Sigilstone17, deciding he doesn't actually want to be in charge of the Tories in the upset of the

00:23:43.620 year. Nigel Farage defects to Labour to stand for party leader. Do you know what? I perhaps should

00:23:48.560 have said this in the segment. When Starmer was appointing the ambassador, Farage kept saying it

00:23:53.920 should be him. I mean, it's like, was he totally serious? But he kept publicly saying, I would do

00:23:58.000 the ambassador role to the US. Starmer could have hired Farage as the ambassador, neutralized the

00:24:02.540 threat from reform and not hired Mandelson. It would have been the political genius move of the

00:24:06.900 century, but he couldn't see it. All right. I think that's all the chats. Is it? Oh, hang on.

00:24:12.220 One more. Hewitt comes in and says, Karns declines and follows the Penguin into the sunset.

00:24:17.780 That's true. Follow the Penguin. We did that last time. Embrace the Penguin. Embrace the Penguin.

00:24:22.280 Did quite well that one. Right. Samson, could we load the second segment, please? Right.

00:24:28.860 Okay. Let me double check. This is the right order. Fuentes is attacking Trump again, and he's also

00:24:43.340 attacking Vance and MAGA, and he is incentivizing people to not vote Republican in the midterms,

00:24:52.060 which he has done before. Now he said, he said in October, just before the previous elections,

00:25:01.200 I will not vote for Trump. And then he proceeds to say why he didn't vote for Trump. Then Trump won

00:25:08.120 and he did the following. He posted, I can't believe we did it again.

00:25:13.380 I remember that. Can I just quickly say at the start a quick disclaimer? I don't associate myself

00:25:18.440 with anything you're saying, because you're going to get the Groeper curse, and I heavily disavow you.

00:25:23.180 Sorry if that makes it awkward. Don't worry, Nick, at all.

00:25:26.220 I don't want to get the Groeper curse. These are your views. My views may be different. We don't know my views.

00:25:31.740 Yeah. We're not going to attack each other because we disagree on this. On this subject, I have been

00:25:36.800 very critical of the Groepers for a long time. I know, but I want you to get the tweets and you to get the curse.

00:25:40.620 Yeah, I'll get it. I've already, I already have faced it for months now. So don't worry.

00:25:45.480 You just say you are not embracing what I'm going to say. So Fuentes here did the flip. He wanted to

00:25:52.480 gain the MAGA hype, and he said, I can't believe we did it again, despite the fact that he said that

00:25:58.820 people shouldn't vote for MAGA. Now, there are lots of things that happened lately with Fuentes.

00:26:05.680 Personally, I was saying for a long time that the Groepers were astroturfed, and that to a large

00:26:12.660 extent the movement was inorganic. That doesn't mean necessarily that it was all just bots, but it wasn't

00:26:18.740 exactly what people wanted to make that. And I'm going to talk about this in a bit. And it seems like the

00:26:25.380 generational run has sort of lost momentum. And I think one of the things that contributed to him losing

00:26:34.760 lots of momentum was him going out with all these people here, Clavicula, Sneeko, Myron Gaines,

00:26:41.440 the Tates out for that night out. And the movement was based on a lot, to a large extent, on optics.

00:26:51.780 And also they were saying, well, you can't sort of try to market yourself as a leader of a sort of white

00:26:59.180 nationalist movement and have your cabinet being composed of the people who were there.

00:27:07.000 Yeah. Can I just apply it to a couple of things? One, I always thought it was organic because you

00:27:10.740 look at Fuentes' numbers when he appears on anything, they're always massive. Look at his streaming

00:27:14.760 numbers. I think people don't like the idea, but he just is appealing to a lot of people. He's a great

00:27:19.760 speaker and funny. And I think people just do watch it. So I've always thought it was organic. So I

00:27:24.100 disagree on that. But on the second point, I have more sympathy. I thought it did look weird.

00:27:28.160 I think basically someone like Fuentes doesn't have a great many allies. He's been in council

00:27:34.400 from everything. If Andrew Tate says to him, do you want to hang out at the club, whatever? He'll

00:27:37.740 be like, yeah, cool. Because he wants to, you know, these are people that are his friends,

00:27:42.420 even though he did seem the odd one out because he wasn't really part of that red pill world.

00:27:46.940 He's more political and he's coming up. Whereas those are people who maybe who have maybe had the

00:27:50.980 peak of their fame. They're still pretty famous, but he didn't seem like an obvious fit with the rest of

00:27:56.000 them. Yeah. I mean, I will say this. He is funny and he is a gifted speaker, irrespective of whether

00:28:03.460 I agree with the message or not. I'll give him that. And to a degree, I will say that just looking

00:28:09.520 at footage from that night, he was more relatable than the others. He was uncomfortable being there.

00:28:16.420 Yeah. I mean, yeah. He was like anyone in a club. Like, why am I in a club? This is ridiculous.

00:28:21.380 No, Nick, I'm not saying you're disavowing the Groepers. Don't worry. No, clearly. I don't want

00:28:25.680 to get the curse. Don't worry. But I'm not avowing them either in case I get canceled by the other

00:28:29.260 or go to prison in the Star Magoo. Like, so I'm neither. I'm just nowhere on it. I'm a ghost.

00:28:36.560 Right. So let's look at what Fuentes is doing here and whether there's a pattern in what he's

00:28:41.300 doing. Because I think, and I think this raises some really interesting questions about the next

00:28:47.020 phase of the conservative movement. I mean, to be fair, I think he does say that he isn't a

00:28:53.280 conservative, at least in some, I've heard him saying that in some. Yeah, he's on the right rather

00:28:58.740 than. There are lots of discussions that need to happen because Trump isn't going to go down for

00:29:05.320 another election. He isn't going to run again. And in one sense, we already live in a post

00:29:11.260 Trump world because there's conversations within the conservative sphere, whether Vance or Rubio

00:29:18.260 are going to spearhead the next day or whether, you know, there should be someone else or it

00:29:27.420 should be Bannon that Fuentes is sort of approaching a bit. There are lots of conversations happening

00:29:34.380 right now. And what I will say is this, that it seems to me, and that was my stance from the very

00:29:39.840 beginning, that Fuentes came across with very maximalist rhetoric. And maximalist rhetoric is

00:29:46.840 very often rhetoric that isn't realistic. And it almost invariably leads to people sabotaging anyone

00:29:55.840 who realistically tries to give a solution to things. Because if you start dreaming of a solution,

00:30:02.840 like you're playing in Warhammer 40k, like you have the god emperor of mankind who goes out and

00:30:07.920 destroys everything. Or if you want something of the sort, chances are you're going to have to wait

00:30:14.920 for a long time. Yeah. A counter to that might be when Trump uses it as a negotiating strategy.

00:30:21.840 And speaking of Bannon and speaking of Trump's third term, Bannon's been the one saying,

00:30:25.740 Trump's going to have a third term. We're going to make it happen. Okay. The third term,

00:30:28.280 he's been saying that. You sort of feel like he's just saying that to rile people up and cause

00:30:33.040 controversy. And I've never been quite sure why he's saying it. But it's like when Trump says

00:30:37.140 something crazy. You go, why is he saying that? We're going to build a wall. Mexico's going to pay.

00:30:41.420 Everyone's like, what? It was a new style of political rhetoric. Yeah. So there is a place for it.

00:30:46.920 But you're saying the danger is you purity spiral. You purity spiral. And whoever leads a party and

00:30:53.480 whoever leads a movement must be a bit more realistic. Yeah. That's what I'm saying. People

00:30:58.740 don't like listening to it, especially online. But that's the truth. Right. And here he is

00:31:04.260 declaring war yet another time against against. To be very fair, Fuentes has gone a bit more

00:31:09.120 realistic lately since he's had all this exposure. He started saying, no, no, we need to take these

00:31:13.800 countries. I believe in the American empire. And you could call that realistic. He's gone. People said

00:31:18.580 neocon almost on a few years. He said Charlie Kirk wasn't killed by Israel. He's had a few sort of

00:31:23.800 sensible takes lately, just to be very fair. That's fair. That's fair. Right. So he let's

00:31:29.420 listen to what he says here. Fuck this administration. People say you want to burn it all down. Yeah,

00:31:36.360 I do. People say you want to burn it all down just so you could rule over the ashes.

00:31:42.520 See, you don't seem to have much of an imagination. I want to burn you to the ground.

00:31:53.580 You will be turned into ashes. We will still be very much intact.

00:31:59.740 And he is talking about the administration. Right. Let's let's let's not the right here. He says also

00:32:07.120 he can't wait for the Democrats to take the House and start impeaching people from the Republican

00:32:13.340 Party. And I want to say something here because I I have said this before and I have had debates here

00:32:19.800 with people who were sort of not that critical of Groypers, in some cases defending him or something.

00:32:29.520 You can't say there are some issues with several commentators when they're losing the sense of

00:32:37.260 judgment. Like, for instance, before Trump won, there were lots of commentators who were saying

00:32:42.440 the left doesn't isn't going to lose because it holds so much power over the institutions and

00:32:49.160 the majority of the people can do nothing. But then it was too big to rig and then Trump won.

00:32:55.260 So they sort of had maximalist rhetoric and they exaggerated and they kind of understood

00:33:03.120 that they were exaggerating. So now these people are saying something of the of the following.

00:33:10.820 They're saying that if the left wins now, they are going they are going to pose an existential

00:33:16.620 threat to the right. And that's going to be they're going to win a sort of total war against

00:33:22.180 the conservatives. So don't lose elections. And they're going to say, let's look at the kind of

00:33:28.660 vile hatred you saw when Charlie Kirk was assassinated. And that's a correct observation. There was vile

00:33:34.400 hatred. And that was absolutely disgusting. Say, look at how they are. If they win elections,

00:33:40.600 they're going to win a total war against the conservatives and the Republicans. My point here

00:33:46.500 is that this there's a hidden contradiction. You can't say on the one hand, if they win, they're

00:33:52.980 going to crush the conservatives and then say, well, it's OK to lose the midterms. It's OK to lose

00:33:58.820 this. It's OK to lose that. I see your point. You can't have a sort of accelerationist mentality

00:34:04.260 and also say they're going to hunt us down, persecute us and all that.

00:34:08.620 Yeah. But also when it when it comes to the accelerationist mentality, acceleration is

00:34:13.220 I mean, by losing the midterms, I don't mean it in a strict sense, like lose the midterms,

00:34:16.920 kind of crash the thing deliberately is what I mean. You're saying that that means

00:34:21.220 but you're also saying people will be in jail because they will do lawfare if they get in.

00:34:25.200 They'll do everything they can. Yeah. And people will be killing people and they'll be getting

00:34:28.920 away with it. This is what I think. I mean, we're already seeing, you know, Trump has tried.

00:34:33.500 They tried to kill him. They killed Charlie Kirk. We've seen the ice stuff.

00:34:36.440 But it would be very dangerous, I think, for Republicans if they do win.

00:34:41.440 So I see what you mean. You can't have those two at the same time.

00:34:43.440 Can I say one thing on your previous point, just quickly, which is

00:34:46.600 you could argue, though, what Fuentes is talking about here is just what Trump did.

00:34:51.280 Trump took over the Republican Party, right? Completely reshaped it in his image.

00:34:55.520 Everyone hated him at first. Fuentes is now saying, well, hang on,

00:34:58.520 my movement is going to take over the Republican Party and burn Trumpism down,

00:35:02.680 just like he burnt the Republican Party. So it does happen.

00:35:05.000 And you wouldn't have thought Fuentes could have got this far.

00:35:07.320 He had such an extreme sounding message, but now he has to be taken seriously.

00:35:11.000 He's on Tucker Carlson. Joel Webber's doing a 10 part interview with him saying,

00:35:14.680 this guy is going to be massive in politics.

00:35:17.640 A kingmaker or a future president, which I think he's completely wrong about.

00:35:21.940 But Steve Bannon used to condemn him. Now Bannon says he's where it's at, right?

00:35:25.440 Everyone used to condemn him. So he's made more progress than you could ever imagine.

00:35:28.400 So I wouldn't rule him out being a hijack of the Republican movement.

00:35:31.560 Isn't that what he's just saying?

00:35:33.320 Well, here's the question. And I think that this comes directly to the, in a sense,

00:35:37.720 the Groeper question that we were discussing here, especially in November, December,

00:35:42.740 and then January. In January, it sort of died.

00:35:45.940 I think after Maduro, it sort of completely lost the momentum,

00:35:50.440 especially after they started doing the Epstein was cool stuff.

00:35:54.580 Well, that you can see here.

00:35:56.880 Yeah, that's where you lose.

00:35:57.880 Well, I kind of understand why they did it though, because I think that fundamentally,

00:36:02.780 and that's, that would be more honorable. If you're a shit poster, be a shit poster.

00:36:08.440 And in that they're hilarious, right? But there is a question there, whether they,

00:36:14.320 they're you, if you're a shit poster, be a shit poster. Don't be a politician.

00:36:19.460 Don't be a political commentator, or at least don't market yourself as the leader of the next

00:36:25.080 movement. And they started saying Epstein has aura. And they started also saying that sort of,

00:36:31.700 he has, that Epstein was cool. And I was trashing some conservatives here who were saying Fuentes is

00:36:41.120 the spokesman for the male zoomers. You have to understand his rhetoric to understand them.

00:36:45.120 And then Fuentes goes Epstein was cool as F. So he'll always do these crazy takes where you go,

00:36:52.000 okay, you've lost me on that one. One of them was Game of Thrones better than Lord of the Rings. I'm

00:36:55.960 like, you've lost me there, bro. But yeah, the Epstein stuff, I'm going to make the case again.

00:37:01.420 Sorry to keep making the case, but one could argue, even though it seems ostensibly true what

00:37:06.460 you're saying, Fuentes definitely tried to walk the line between, okay, I'm on a serious chat show.

00:37:10.240 Now I'm really serious. Or here's my serious part of the monologue. And it's incredibly detailed.

00:37:14.040 His recall for events, very impressive, detailed history of Israel and things like this. He's

00:37:19.340 extraordinary on these things. But then, like you say, suddenly the most outrageous Epstein was

00:37:23.780 cool. But here's my claim. Isn't it true that when Trump came out, everyone said, you can't talk like

00:37:30.220 that as a president or as a political candidate. You can't do that. You can't say blood coming out of

00:37:34.560 her or whatever. You can't say lock her up. You can't say grab them by the bleep. And it turned out

00:37:40.260 you could say it all. So is Fuentes just a next level in, or you can't possibly be an S poster

00:37:44.300 and this, but maybe you can.

00:37:46.220 Well, maybe you can. Let me be clear on this. I think fundamentally, if you really go down

00:37:51.120 to it, I don't think he believes that Epstein was a good person. Right? I don't think he

00:37:55.940 actually believes this. The point is whether this kind of shock value commentary is something

00:38:04.820 that is part of character. And I believe character is destiny. And that's what I was

00:38:09.480 looking at when I was criticizing Fuentes and lots of the people on that side, is that

00:38:15.780 not only do they do lots of things to sabotage the Republicans and conservatives, but it looks

00:38:22.640 like they are representing a sort of online niche that does really well online, but doesn't

00:38:31.660 actually do well when it comes to society. So there is a possibility that there's always

00:38:37.900 a non-zero possibility that a prominent figure will become even more prominent. But the point

00:38:44.480 is, what are the probabilities here? I think the probability here is very low. And what I

00:38:49.820 always said is that most of the MAGA supporters, they really don't care with a sort of let's push

00:39:00.980 the overtone window towards you being able to constantly talk about Hitler and Epstein and all

00:39:07.220 this stuff. That's much more artificial. It's much more online. It isn't necessarily something that

00:39:17.460 reflects the average conservative. And when it comes to this, you're absolutely correct that

00:39:24.260 he did go more realistic after Maduro. But when he did so, and when he said, it's time for refinement

00:39:32.660 and 2026 is going to be a year for refinement, then he changed it a bit. But when he did say this,

00:39:39.140 he drew a distinction in his audience between the America first, who are a bit more realistic

00:39:47.460 and the third worldists. And lots of people went against him, which confirms exactly what I was

00:39:53.540 saying, because I was saying about about this is that to very large extent, you can't say a post by

00:40:00.420 Nick Fuentes got 20k. That's always means that 20k this magically translates into 20k in UK or 20k in the

00:40:10.900 US. Lots of it is is third worldist. And I was telling I was telling some people don't have to name

00:40:18.420 names that these this infatuation with Hitler is third worldist. The average American is much more

00:40:26.660 interested in the founding fathers and their philosophy than they are in in in mid century German

00:40:33.620 Nazism. Yeah. And there's a couple of things I agree with and some one I disagree. So or potentially,

00:40:38.580 one is, yeah, there's a strange tendency to it's kind of related to what you said when when he

00:40:42.980 suddenly attacked Tucker, when Tucker just put him on his show. It's like you'll attack everyone.

00:40:47.140 It's like you'll always you think, oh, they're going serious, then they'll do something crazy

00:40:50.820 where you say, what's the point of that? The other point is audience capture is definitely a real

00:40:54.020 thing. I've had it where I try and be sort of balanced. I just get brutally attacked. I think

00:40:57.860 why bother even being balanced? Because your audiences attack your certainly on YouTube,

00:41:02.100 the more casual audience. So his audience will be a certain pressure. As you say, he'll lose

00:41:05.700 him if he says something too sensible. But yeah, sorry. No, no, there's one. And there's one point

00:41:09.780 where I disagree, potentially, which is, hang on, I've now forgotten to say what you're going to say.

00:41:15.540 But what I want to say is that I think that in this case, and that's actually something that is

00:41:20.020 good for him. He does have a he does have a kind of political acumen. And he did understand

00:41:27.380 that, for instance, going against Trump on the Maduro thing was going to be very bad or optically,

00:41:34.660 because he cares about optics. That's I speak about this. And I think he understood also

00:41:40.740 that when it came to Tucker and Candace, because they are also losing the sort of allure that they

00:41:48.740 have in particular. And but one thing that he has in common with them, one thing that he has in common

00:41:54.340 with them, which I'm going to go back to the segment about is that both three of them are constantly

00:42:01.380 blaming the current administration. And they're saying that the Republican Party needs to be

00:42:06.420 completely demolished. So the question is there, what's going to the next day is going to be? I think

00:42:13.460 that the kind of the kind of movements that they want to supplant to Mag and Brink for are the kind of

00:42:22.500 non-realistic minority niches that they are going to pretend. It's like the the Mensheviks pretending

00:42:28.820 to be Bolsheviks, the minority pretending to be my the majority because they're good online.

00:42:33.780 But that's just a very, a very critical and negative.

00:42:36.740 Yeah, well, I disagree on Tucker because I think Tucker is just saying, I'm done with the Zionist

00:42:41.620 thing. I'm done with the foreign wars and the Israeli influence. He'd be happy with advance. He'd be happy

00:42:46.020 with what seems to me that Tucker wants to influence the mainstream candidate. He wants to have a

00:42:51.220 candidate like advance, but he doesn't want them to be Zionist. So he's, that's what he's trying to

00:42:56.020 do. I don't think he's anywhere near as out there as Candice or Frentice, but just quickly, I remember

00:43:00.500 my point. It was on a couple of things. It was the thing you said about the Overton win though.

00:43:03.700 I was going to say, haven't they been effective in that? When you think about the change from,

00:43:09.060 you know, they had the Groypa war with, with Charlie Kirk, God rest his soul. And they were saying

00:43:13.380 things like, you know, he was saying things like pinning a green card, a visa to a green

00:43:18.980 card and all this stuff. He was very pro immigration. They managed to move it to where

00:43:22.900 people were so way further to the right because of the pressure from, from him. And it's become much

00:43:28.420 harder for say neocon things. Yes. Right. Okay. So I will give you that, but there is an issue here

00:43:34.180 that it's, you know, the way I view this is that if you want to actually affect change, you focus on

00:43:42.340 being on your best behavior and not becoming a liability, especially in the most predictable ways.

00:43:48.100 And I believe that it's the character and the transgressiveness of, of the lots of people online,

00:43:55.060 some of them associated with, associated with the Groypers that is becoming sometimes an obstacle

00:44:01.620 into trying to effect real change because the Overton window can push online easily.

00:44:06.980 It can easily push online, especially without the censorship that occurred, that existed before,

00:44:13.460 before Musk. The question is whether there can be effective change in, in real life. But let me just

00:44:20.660 focus on this and say exactly what Fuentes was talking here. Trump is saying now that his mission

00:44:28.660 isn't to deport everyone. He's focused on, on criminals, really bad criminals. This is where Fuentes was

00:44:34.660 saying they are going to be, they are going to go back on, on mass migration. And also here is Vance

00:44:41.780 condemning Fuentes and saying that he doesn't like the guy. He, he attacked his family. He attacked MAGA

00:44:49.220 and he says, eat, you know, excrement. Um, and, but one thing I want to say here is that, and that's the

00:44:56.420 credit, a criticism of, of, uh, Vance is that lots of people are saying that Vance was really slow to do

00:45:03.060 this. And he was kind of a, kind of worried about the grope curse that you mentioned in the beginning.

00:45:09.700 Oh yeah.

00:45:10.180 But eventually he, he, he started condemning them and the kind of, and this kind of, um,

00:45:17.380 reluctance to do this is something that hasn't worked necessarily in his favor.

00:45:22.180 Also something that lots of people think doesn't work in Vance's favor right now is his ties to Peter

00:45:29.300 Thiel. And lately that, that isn't necessarily going to look good.

00:45:36.180 Well, it's just, I think people are sick of people counter signaling the right. We know the left and

00:45:40.740 you can say maybe, maybe this is wrong, but the left just never do it. They never attack their own

00:45:46.340 people and the right constantly do it. Reform in this country, for example, the alleged right,

00:45:50.900 spend all day attacking the right. They hate everyone on the right and they constantly,

00:45:54.820 they love anyone. If they can ever, ever have an opportunity to say something nice about someone

00:45:58.500 on the left, they love it.

00:45:59.460 I, I respectfully disagree here because I think that the left is constantly attacking each other.

00:46:05.140 And lots of the, think of the Monty Python sketch with, you know, people's front of Judea,

00:46:10.100 Judean people front. Oh yeah.

00:46:11.140 That's, they were, they were making fun of leftists.

00:46:13.860 True. They definitely purity spiral and split. And if you say the wrong thing on trans,

00:46:19.060 but what I mean, that's, that's the far left attacking the more moderate left. The moderate

00:46:23.300 left though, hardly ever condemns the father. You hardly ever hear them condemn. Like there

00:46:27.220 once Jess Phillips said something to Owen Jones, but you hardly ever hear a mainstream lefty condemning

00:46:31.460 an Owen Jones type. Do you?

00:46:33.380 Yeah. It's, it's, it's more.

00:46:36.020 It happens the other way with the purity spiral.

00:46:38.180 Yeah. Right. Okay. Here, lots of gropers are saying,

00:46:41.300 JD Vance committed suicide live on ARTV. He never condemned Nick Fuentes, not even once.

00:46:47.380 Personally, I think that this isn't good. I don't think necessarily that Vance is going to win the

00:46:51.940 next Republican. He is going to be the next presidential nominee necessarily. But if that's

00:46:58.260 the case, that's not going to be the reason. And here he, he's also trashing Vance again.

00:47:05.220 And he's, he's officially become never Vance.

00:47:07.940 That's right. It's actually, it was quite easy for Vance if you wanted to, to condemn Fuentes,

00:47:11.860 because Fuentes has constantly attacked his wife and constantly attacked him. So you could have

00:47:15.300 just said it was even on a personal level. That's why people are criticizing Vance. They're saying he

00:47:19.940 was attacking your wife. Why didn't you criticize him earlier? Why did you try to be a bit more,

00:47:26.340 you know, political, political about it? Yeah. Right. But yeah, still. Okay. And here,

00:47:32.500 that's it. I'm going to speed up a bit. I did a, I want to say one thing. It's not that I don't

00:47:39.140 think that the gropers represent any significant number of the people in the US. I know that I'm

00:47:46.100 going to get lots of hate for this, but I think that's true. I don't think that they can win an

00:47:52.100 election, but what they can, they can actually cause, cause lots of harms, lots of harm to the

00:47:57.940 Republicans by getting people to not vote in the midterms. And, but still, I have to also be very

00:48:07.220 fair about this. If the Republicans lose the midterms, the responsibility will burden Trump's

00:48:13.860 shoulders more than anyone else's and especially the economy. So I want to be very fair with who I am

00:48:20.740 criticizing and for what? One thing I agree with you on is I've always been totally, when he was

00:48:26.340 like vote Kamala or don't vote, I'm totally against that. I was, I'd have been totally voting Trump.

00:48:31.700 I just want to quickly say, maybe it's a contradiction that I'm quite anti-reform in this country,

00:48:35.780 but I just don't believe reform are going to do anything good at all. Whereas if I was in America

00:48:39.780 and looking at what Trump would do, he's going to have a pop up at mass deportations. There's going

00:48:43.940 to be better free speech. I think it's a world of difference between Trump and the left in America.

00:48:48.020 Whereas I think here, reform is not comparable because I really don't think they're going to

00:48:51.220 do anything at all, but it is a similar, people attack me for saying, for condemning,

00:48:55.620 for criticizing reform. Yeah. But I don't think it's quite the same. So I agree with you on the,

00:48:59.860 I say vote Trump, of course. So on this, I had a thread on December, that was mid-December,

00:49:06.980 where I was, I was actually not attacking Fuentes because my, my point, my point isn't to

00:49:12.580 necessarily to attack him as a person, but to say one thing that I think was actually vindicated is

00:49:18.740 that Fuentes as a person differs from the brand Fuentes and lots of people were projecting on him

00:49:27.380 things that they wanted to see on him. That's why I think lots of the, lots of the conservatives

00:49:33.940 weren't, uh, were trying to say, Hey, don't criticize him. Don't. Cause, uh, you need to understand him.

00:49:40.180 He's a spokesperson for the zoomers. Yeah. So I think, I think that, um, I think that to a very

00:49:47.140 large extent, they were upping him up and they were projecting on him things that weren't there.

00:49:53.540 Just that's my view. So my point is, I think that it's good to do, it's good to criticize

00:50:00.660 your administration. Obviously I I've criticized Trump as well. It's good to criticize your administration,

00:50:07.540 but I think it's also good to bear in mind that if you have a maximalist rhetoric and your, your, uh,

00:50:15.140 plan is to, you have an all or nothing mentality, 99.9% of the times you aren't going to get a hundred

00:50:22.740 percent. So if you're helping the opposition, you're actually contributing to a worse society.

00:50:30.020 It doesn't have to be intentional. And there was the other argument. I will, I will say this quick,

00:50:34.180 because that was the other counter argument that was raised against me was the zero seats

00:50:39.860 argument. So they have to undergo a zero seats thing. I think that this is profoundly wrong,

00:50:45.780 not because lots of people in the Trump administration shouldn't change or that the

00:50:53.140 Trump administration has done everything correctly. It hasn't. But because if you look at the people who

00:50:58.180 were very much doing the zero seats thing at the end of the day, where has this led them here into

00:51:05.140 saying, for instance, that reform is as bad as the other stuff. So if that's my point, if, if you are

00:51:14.500 an idealist and you want a hundred percent of something, and you say that unless you get a hundred

00:51:19.860 percent, everyone's a, everyone's a, is a traitor to the cause of something, you are harming way more

00:51:27.780 than you're helping. Yeah, I can see the point. I think just in my own case, for example, zero,

00:51:34.420 to me, you've got to look at each case on its own merit. So Trump, to me, if I was in the US,

00:51:38.340 I'd be voting Trump all day. And I'd be seeing that that is a massive difference, despite his flaws,

00:51:44.500 in the way you're saying, being pragmatic. When I look at England and Britain, I see the Tories as

00:51:49.300 a far left woke party. So I see it as like, not an option. And reform now, I see them as

00:51:56.100 they constantly say how much they hate me and everyone like me. So I see them as very,

00:52:00.020 very questionable. I just think they're different. Whereas Trump, I think it's just different

00:52:03.540 situation, different party. I mean, I don't know if you agree with me, but I see Trump as

00:52:07.940 a way better choice, as flawed, but a far better choice than Kamala or something. Whereas I don't know,

00:52:14.260 whereas the Tories and Labour, it is much closer. Yeah. But yeah, again, and with Kamala, for

00:52:20.900 instance, it's, well, he hasn't, let's talk about the deportations that he was talking about. Yeah,

00:52:26.500 he hasn't done all of what he was talking about, all of what he promised, but at least he has closed

00:52:32.660 the border. He has trying to mitigate this. So he is trying to do things. And Trump. Yeah,

00:52:38.820 no, I agree. Yeah. And I have criticized him many times. Yeah. But do you think it's the same

00:52:42.820 situation with the Tories when you talk about zero seats? Didn't they actually deserve zero seats

00:52:46.340 for the Boris wave and for everything else? They did. But again, the question is,

00:52:50.740 what's your vision? And if you're constantly going to counter-signal everyone who isn't delivering

00:52:56.340 a hundred percent of your, within quotation marks, unrealistic vision. Yeah. My vision was...

00:53:02.580 My argument wasn't that the Tories didn't deserve to lose. Yeah. They did.

00:53:06.020 Yeah. In this country, it's just so bad because my person was Rupert Lowe. I was like,

00:53:09.780 here's a guy saying the things I want. They got rid of him. And I'm like, well... And he's polling

00:53:13.620 nine percent. So I'm like, okay, I'm with Rupert Lowe. Whereas people attack me for not being with

00:53:16.740 Reform. But it's like, you've given me nothing. They give me literally nothing. And you got rid

00:53:20.340 of the one guy I liked. So I feel like I'm asking for one percent, not a hundred percent. And they give

00:53:24.740 me zero percent. Whereas Trump, if it's 60%, I still think it's worth it. So I agree on that.

00:53:29.700 Right. Let's look at the comments. Sorry for derailing. If you're going to show a lot of videos,

00:53:34.500 don't worry. I thought it's only two of us. Let's just have it out.

00:53:37.060 Much better like this. I think so. Discussion is much better.

00:53:40.020 Like, all right. So Sigil Stone 17. Not many people know this, but when Nick Fuentes lost his

00:53:47.540 virginity... That's nasty. Okay. I'm not going to say Sigil Stone, you're a naughty man.

00:53:55.220 Hewitt 1642. Carnes declines and follows the penguin into the sunset. Okay. Right. So let's go to the real news.

00:54:04.500 Yes. Some time ago, there was a lads hour episode number eight, the trad girl question.

00:54:16.100 If you remembered it, this folk over here, this man, he was right. Now I'll start the segment for

00:54:23.780 YouTube in a bit. Let me look at this. Right. We have to talk about the trad e-girl question and also

00:54:32.980 talk about a particular scandal that everyone is talking about on X. And I'm sure there are talking

00:54:40.740 about it also in Asia. Lots of Indians are elated. Don't know if you know. Yeah. They're very happy

00:54:48.980 about it. And it is a scandal that has rocked the conservative world, especially online. And also

00:54:57.940 it's a scandal about the trad e-girl issue. And there's a question there as to whether there is

00:55:05.940 such a thing as a trad e-girl. Definitely tell us in the comments if you think that there can be e-girls

00:55:12.260 who are trad. And we are going to talk about the scandal that has to do with Elijah Schaefer from

00:55:19.060 Rift TV and Sarah Stock, the notorious trad cat influencer and the sort of massive meltdown that

00:55:27.780 has happened. But we are also going to talk about the social criticism aspect of the matter and also

00:55:35.860 talk about the red pill community and the MGTOW community. You're saying it's like I'm a MGTOW.

00:55:43.140 I was before MGTOW. I decided it wasn't worth bothering. You know, I've had relationships,

00:55:48.340 not worth it. Turned out later, that's a whole sub-genre I invented. MGTOW before it was cool.

00:55:54.580 Yeah, exactly. The OG MGTOW. Right. So do you think you're vindicated with this scandal?

00:56:00.740 Pure vindication. Yeah. It's 100%. But so is Fuentes anyway, because he said no e-girls.

00:56:06.180 Yeah. No e-girls ever. This is the rule. You can't have any. I can answer your first question

00:56:10.020 already, not to spoil it, but of course you can't have a trad e-girl because if you were trad,

00:56:15.300 you'd be in the Amish community milking cows. You wouldn't be milking clicks on the internet.

00:56:20.580 Well, let's see what happened here because this is actually a really interesting thing. So we are

00:56:26.660 going to talk about the latest meltdown of Elijah Schaefer and also how that involved Sarah Stock,

00:56:34.820 the notorious TradCath influencer. It's not the first time that news have been circulated about

00:56:42.500 Elijah Schaefer here. These were allegations and accusations. He was fired from by Glenn Beck

00:56:51.060 following some sexual assault accusations. I don't know if they're true or not, but

00:56:56.820 they he was he was fired by the Daily Beast. No, sorry. He was fired by Glenn Beck. Right. Blazes.

00:57:04.260 Yeah. One thing my friend, Wyatt, I have to I have to say that he was very much correct about

00:57:11.300 about the whole thing. Check him out, Wyatt Claypool. He was right about Riff TV and about

00:57:18.020 what is going on there. Check lots. Check him out. It does sound toxic, but the only thing is he used

00:57:23.140 the term woke right, which is a big red flag. Never use the term woke right. Do you use the term?

00:57:27.700 Well, you do, don't you? Yeah, but we can have a debate about that.

00:57:30.340 We can have a debate because I will say this because I have been attacked many times by friends of yours

00:57:36.980 because they are constantly fixated on this notion as having to do with the Middle East.

00:57:43.700 And I was very clear in how I defined it, had nothing to do with nationalism,

00:57:51.780 even ethno-nationalism and had nothing to do with the Middle East. But lots of people were incredibly

00:57:57.300 cavalier about projecting lots of stuff about the Middle East only.

00:58:02.740 Oh, they don't sound like my friends. Let's focus on this. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:58:06.100 Right. So there were several posts by Elijah Schaefer now that suggested a new meltdown.

00:58:16.260 He wrote that he doesn't know where his wife and kids are. He can't get a hold of them. They're

00:58:22.340 filed as missing persons. Last enforcement confirmed someone in the household set him up.

00:58:28.100 They planted drugs and said he's a criminal. This will be a public trial by the FBI.

00:58:33.860 And then he said that he's a victim of serious targeted felony crimes. He's not suicidal.

00:58:40.180 They have kidnapped his family. They've stolen his money. He is going to bring justice. He needs

00:58:44.980 the public to know. He's in Virginia and the government is aware. He believes the FBI is

00:58:49.540 trying to destroy his life and kill him. He is alive. And I don't think that the wife and the kids run

00:58:59.540 any risk. Turns out that was a bit of an episode. So in that episode, he did something that wasn't

00:59:09.780 particularly prudent. He opened up to Milo. Really? You think that's not prudent?

00:59:16.340 He's, I mean. To tell Milo. Exercise some judgment, Nick. Exercise some judgment.

00:59:23.300 People have a deep need to confess to Milo. They want to confess. And some of them even,

00:59:27.700 because they're quite, they're such drama queens. Some of them, my theory, even want to be exposed.

00:59:31.860 They want to be exposed. Why else would you do it? The point is, I can't be mad at Milo

00:59:36.100 for one reason. It's like being mad. Milo's going to Milo. Yeah. It's like being mad with

00:59:40.500 Einstein doing physics. It's like he's doing it so well that you can't be mad at him. Right. And here,

00:59:48.260 Milo delivered a thread that talks about what he found out, what Elijah Schaefer told him. And this

00:59:58.020 is actually a really interesting thread. And lots of it is allegations. But the important thing to cut

01:00:05.540 the long story short, I'll tell you this so I'll contextualize. The people he accused of doing some

01:00:14.020 engaging in behavior that isn't particularly orderly, didn't deny it. So he started saying

01:00:21.780 here that he contacted Elijah Schaefer. And to be very, very fair, Sarah Stock did deny something.

01:00:27.780 She said a lot of it's not true. Then she went offline. So she sort of semi-denied stuff.

01:00:31.940 Yeah. But we'll get there. We'll get there. We'll get there.

01:00:34.660 I'm just so fair and balanced. I can't.

01:00:36.020 You have to be fair and balanced. I'm also fair.

01:00:37.940 I also don't want, you know, the Gruber curse. I also don't want the Milo curse ever.

01:00:41.140 I don't want to annoy Milo ever. Milo is a force of nature here.

01:00:44.420 Yeah. Right. Okay. Extraordinary.

01:00:45.940 So he says that, and he says that Sarah Stock and Elijah Schaefer started sleeping together. Now,

01:00:51.540 they're not the first people to start doing it. But what is interesting here, and what's the reason

01:00:58.580 for why this subject has taken global dimensions is because they didn't practice as they preached.

01:01:06.820 And they built a whole persona out of promoting family values. And especially in the case of Sarah

01:01:14.100 Stock, she was the ultimate Trad Kath e-girl or one of the ultimate Trad Kath e-girls. And

01:01:20.820 this actually has shown that she practiced. She didn't practice as she preached. In fact,

01:01:26.660 she did the exact opposite of what she told people not to do. And this also applies to Elijah

01:01:33.780 Schaefer. Some people go online and say, well, it's a culture of hating women because you're only

01:01:38.740 focusing on Sarah Stock. No, nothing of the sort. People are focusing on both. But what is Milo saying

01:01:44.100 here is really interesting because they're saying that they had a six month affair. Then she got engaged,

01:01:48.980 but also that she had an abortion. And she was very big into the do not have abortion categorically.

01:01:56.500 She was also very big on virginity. She claimed on the whatever podcast she was a virgin. Yeah. Also,

01:02:07.300 don't get a divorce for any reason. That's what she said. And here is where Milo starts miloing even

01:02:13.460 more. And he starts alleging something about Elijah Schaefer having had the sort of, I'll be quick,

01:02:21.140 a twink phase, also owning an electric dildo and also engaged in behavior of that sort.

01:02:28.500 You say that on YouTube. That's shocking. If we can't say that, we're going to cut it out.

01:02:32.340 If we can't say that, what have we become? Well, how should we put it? A vibrating pleasure

01:02:39.460 object. That's good. Pleasure inducing. Pass off comp. We'll check it out. The editors

01:02:44.980 group is going to focus on that. He is starting alleging about a twink phase. I can't say on YouTube

01:02:51.860 what this is. By the way, if you don't know, you don't need to know. It's a young man who makes

01:03:00.100 certain lifestyle choices. Yeah. And what I want to say here, because I want to be fair,

01:03:05.380 just as you are fair, Nick, is that there is an audio of Sarah Stock talking about the event,

01:03:10.660 which sounded, I'm not going to play. That is here. I think that's the, that's the one over here. You

01:03:17.380 the 627. I'm not going to say a play, but I want to say that it sounded a bit weird because they were

01:03:23.060 talking about a CPAC conference and they were talking about intoxication, which sounds very dodgy.

01:03:30.020 But on the other hand, she, she very much says that she was sort of also responsible and she

01:03:36.660 kind of tacitly consented to it. Yeah. She's drinking. She said she shouldn't have been doing

01:03:40.420 it. She shouldn't have been there, but he's offering her painkillers, which is all mixing

01:03:44.180 in with it. And she's not in her right mind. She's not in her right mind. And then she blanked out. But

01:03:48.660 the point is, her reactions are a bit weird because she did, she lost precious time in all

01:03:56.980 of her reactions. She, she didn't go instantly, he did this, he is responsible or this and this

01:04:03.940 and that allegation is false. No, well, instantly, she, she allowed this to happen and she didn't

01:04:09.940 deny. Well, she said, yeah, she says, um, a lot of it's not true, but I've, I am a sinner and I,

01:04:14.900 I need to do better and all this kind of thing. People are actually making fun of, uh, of Milo here

01:04:20.180 and they're trolling the situation. So you're a right-wing influencer telling Milo all of your

01:04:24.740 deepest, darkest secrets. Strange. Here also, now. Can I offer one other possibility that they

01:04:30.500 even strategize with Milo? You know, he's, he's got all these like strategies for how to build people.

01:04:34.740 Maybe it's a strategy to get them more publicity. Nothing, nothing would surprise me because Milo's

01:04:38.820 really good at that. Why else would everyone tell him their stuff all the time? He'd be like,

01:04:42.180 look, this is how it starts. Then we'll have the redemption arc. It's possible.

01:04:45.700 It is possible. But I think that in this case, the probabilities are low because their whole

01:04:50.740 image was destroyed because their image was trad cath, you know, family values.

01:04:58.740 Oh yeah. And they weren't minding their own business. That's the issue that they were constantly

01:05:03.060 trying to boss people around and induce shame and guilt on everyone else. They also have here Lord

01:05:09.300 Varys from Game of Thrones saying how Milo is. Yeah. Right. Okay. Uh, here is, this is a,

01:05:16.740 let us talk a bit about the image so people can understand why the, the, this, um, affair is posing

01:05:24.340 strain on the trad e-girl, uh, image. She was, this is her before she became a trad cath. Natural.

01:05:31.700 She wasn't a natural blonde, but she became a, she became a blonde. And here she is on the

01:05:38.260 whatever podcast she's talking about, uh, marriage, having, making, having sex before marriage,

01:05:46.340 being a sin and having an abortion, being a sin and stuff. And looks like she did both.

01:05:52.100 I just say, I don't want to derail your thing again, but no one's perfect. But one thing I do

01:05:57.860 hate is the, the fake conservative thing. I was at this party. I never go to parties anymore. I never

01:06:02.180 do anything like that. I hate socializing, but I went to this one thing with two conservative,

01:06:07.860 well-known influencers, let's say, or yeah, people very big in politics. And then the whole thing was

01:06:14.180 quite a debauched sort of party. And I, I just documented it and wrote about it and like a fish out of

01:06:18.500 water. Like, why am I here? I'm a Christian. I like the beach boys. And I wrote this satirical

01:06:22.500 piece about it, which I then got in a lot of trouble with people who have money and alienated

01:06:26.660 myself, which is my favorite thing to do. But I was, my whole gist of the piece was guys, this is

01:06:31.460 what you're saying. And this is what you're doing. You're in this weird club. It's all about power.

01:06:35.860 It's all about being in the VIP area. None of it means anything. And that was my whole thing of my

01:06:40.180 piece. And that's just what I see. It's never, it's all BS. And I find that, I always find that really

01:06:45.140 depressing because I was, I always believe it. But that's the issue. I don't always believe it

01:06:49.300 with some of the eagles. I don't. The issue isn't that they are, they just slept with each other and

01:06:54.500 they, they were unfaithful. They're not the first, they're, they're not the first people to do it.

01:06:59.140 Sadly, they're not going to be the last. And also it's not that the issue is the discrepancy between

01:07:06.100 the image and the action, but also the kind of, you know, they weren't minding their own business.

01:07:11.700 That's the issue. So that wasn't the only thing she said, highly recommend getting your marriage

01:07:17.380 blessed by the Pope. I think that shouldn't rage people because, you know, just if, if you know,

01:07:24.820 you have already done all those things, just don't implicate the Pope. It's all image here. It's all

01:07:30.340 image. Don't implicate the Pope. And there she, here she got, she got married to this young man.

01:07:36.660 And according to the allegation that she didn't deny, and we are going to show her reaction and

01:07:42.340 all this thing, she had a, she did have an affair before marriage, contrary to what she said, people

01:07:48.500 shouldn't do. And if you're going to do this, at least don't involve the Pope. That's, that's not

01:07:54.820 that small one. Don't involve the Pope. That's not that much to ask. No. Even if you are going to be a

01:08:00.740 trad cath just for the money and the, and fame, have a bit, a degree of decency and don't involve

01:08:06.820 the Pope. Don't involve the Pope. So that was image over, image over. And you'll probably get

01:08:10.820 onto it. But this is the guy I feel sorry, apart from the Pope, this is the guy I feel sorry for.

01:08:14.180 Yeah. I mean, this guy's been stitched up. And the one thing about the Pope is you can now call

01:08:19.220 the Pope and say, hello, Pope, can I annul this? Because this is a textbook annulment, right? This is,

01:08:24.580 Milo even says later, this, this is grounds for annulment. If you've married under the premise

01:08:28.740 as a Catholic, right? It's very hard to get out of marriage traditionally as a Catholic,

01:08:32.180 unless you can show unfaithfulness and things like that. Right? Yeah. So that's a, you could

01:08:37.300 annul. Sorry. Here she was against abortion. Turns out, allegedly, she didn't deny she, she had one as

01:08:44.500 well. And she was saying here, marriage should be one bank account, no prenup, a billion kids,

01:08:51.220 no divorce for any reason. And someone posted to her, one bank account means giving your wife all

01:08:57.460 your money. And she responds, yup. This didn't age particularly well.

01:09:02.580 Works for women.

01:09:03.140 Yeah. But that's the issue.

01:09:04.340 Or the richer person. Works for the poorer person in the relationship.

01:09:07.460 I think this works for the person who doesn't care about the other one.

01:09:11.780 Well, traditionally you should have a joint bank account, but not if you're the kind of person

01:09:15.060 that wants to exploit them. And that's one of the things I want to put with this, because I think

01:09:20.020 that lots of people are approaching influencers in a totemic way, like she was the avatar for marriage.

01:09:26.900 And if she was fake in that respect, marriage is gone. I think that that's too fast. And that's

01:09:32.740 no, that's not what I'm, I'm for, but we are going to talk about the red pill and the MGTOW guys.

01:09:39.700 Right here. She was a lot of people are concerned whether the conservative space is going to survive

01:09:46.340 without Sarah Stock and Elijah Schaefer here. She's talking about how Gavin Newsom was mogging,

01:09:53.620 was mogging JD Vance.

01:09:55.220 Do you know the other thing? I think I tweeted when Ashley St. Clair had her recent meltdown.

01:10:01.060 I can't remember what she did now, but I remember tweeting, all right wing e-girls eventually turn

01:10:05.300 woke. A lot of people like that one. And I'm like, that's the other thing. Either they're up to dodgy

01:10:09.700 stuff or they go woke in the end. They go, oh, I feel terrible. I did to the trans community.

01:10:14.420 I've taken my name off the book. That was what it was. Taking my name off the book. And I,

01:10:17.700 I was young and all that. Cause they start super right. And then they're a bit young and immature.

01:10:21.780 Then there's nowhere for them to go. And then I'm going, oh, I'm going to pivot to the left

01:10:25.220 or to the center in some.

01:10:26.420 What I absolutely dislike here is when they go holier than thou, especially if you're in your

01:10:32.500 early twenties and start being holier than thou. I mean, what do you have? What, what do you have on

01:10:37.140 your CV of actions to show how to, to have that sort of tone?

01:10:42.100 Yeah. Yeah.

01:10:42.820 Right. Uh, she's talking about here, men definitely can have baggage too.

01:10:47.780 Lol. Men will get cheated on and have trust issues forever. It's human nature.

01:10:53.460 That's a bad one. It's like, how do you know that?

01:10:57.460 Here. Okay. And she nuked her account.

01:11:00.740 What happened was that she, she didn't deny anything in the beginning.

01:11:07.380 And for a long time, she, she just reposted the Fuentes video who was talking about the,

01:11:14.740 the issue and you were saying, mind your own business and mind your own business works with

01:11:19.620 people who did mind their own business. Right.

01:11:21.540 If it's just some people, well, yeah, they were, they were, they, they were committed adultery or

01:11:27.140 something. Right. Okay. They're not, neither the first nor the last, but if you're holier than thou,

01:11:32.660 and you're constantly try to, to, to act like that. No, it's not my, your mind, your own business

01:11:39.940 doesn't work there.

01:11:40.260 Do you see that point? I mean, I've, I've not spoken about it anyway. I've been very English,

01:11:44.020 but you brought me onto on this segment. So I have to, but I see you haven't held back. I mean,

01:11:48.260 you're pure trolling, pure trolling there. That's just, I just don't talk about these things. Like,

01:11:53.140 I wouldn't have mentioned this publicly once if you hadn't done this segment, because I don't like,

01:11:56.020 it's just too, but you were contemplating doing the segment. Well, I thought about it.

01:12:00.500 And then I said it, you said it, but I didn't do it because I thought, no, it's too, it's,

01:12:06.580 I don't want to say slop because it's your segment, but you know what I mean? It's a bit too slop.

01:12:10.740 No, it's, it's not. Actually, actually, this kind of criticism is cropped. This kind of criticism is

01:12:17.700 slop. Okay. But can I just say one thing? It's one thing that scares me as well as the drama,

01:12:21.700 people who love drama or whose whole, you know, this guy, Elijah, every tweet, I was like,

01:12:25.380 these tweets are mental. Drama really puts me off. I want to get far away from all drama. I

01:12:29.700 just don't have the drama gene. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. So the, this has global dimensions.

01:12:35.140 The, in the times India is elated. They're saying what happened to India hater,

01:12:41.300 mega influencer, Elijah Schaefer, conspiracy theories about, uh, delete, uh, deleted posts on wife,

01:12:47.540 kids, FBI, et cetera, et cetera. Uh, Megyn Kelly is trolling them a lot.

01:12:55.380 Brian Atlas now is, uh, waving the red pill banner. He says, Sarah Stock called my podcast

01:13:00.980 degenerate all while be trad Catholic, conservative influencer, sold purity, lied and said she's a,

01:13:08.820 she was a virgin. She made her husband wait until marriage for sex. She cheated with married men.

01:13:15.700 And he says the red pill remains undefeated. That's the sad thing. It's a victory for the

01:13:21.540 most cynical take on, on women and on the state of marriage. They say, no, it's never possible.

01:13:26.820 It's always nonsense. You're a sucker. If you fall for it, if you're in any way tried, you're just a

01:13:31.140 sucker. And my response to this is exactly why this segment is in slop and it will be postponed for a

01:13:38.100 few minutes. He came back. He says, it's my story to tell. He thanks Maron Gaines, Fuentes, Alex Jones,

01:13:45.380 Gavin McInnes and Eliza, uh, Lisa Elizabeth. And he says he has aura. Be, be mad. They will not get

01:13:54.100 away with this. He ain't effing leaving game on. And then he said something about he is bragging, bragging

01:14:01.860 about, uh, possessing a functioning part. And, uh, Milo is responding yet again with more footage

01:14:11.060 about it, which I'm not going to play. It was a strange response when you've been caught cheating

01:14:14.980 to say, yes, I have a bleep and it works. I'm like, that's a weird response when you've been caught

01:14:19.220 cheating on your wife. Then the other part was, um, I got mad aura. Isn't it usually other people

01:14:24.100 that say you've got aura? Can you say you've got aura yourself? I'm just open question. You know,

01:14:28.420 normally people are like, well, that's actually got, that goes hard. That's got aura. He's like,

01:14:31.780 I've got aura. I don't know. Can you sell aura? Yeah. And I wanna, I wanna tie to, to the important

01:14:38.660 bit of the matter here, which has to do with the kind of this, the kind of sophistry with sophistry.

01:14:45.860 And it's easy to talk the talk, but it's very difficult to actually be virtuous and talking about

01:14:55.460 being virtuous is a hard path and you don't have to constantly taking pictures of you and posting

01:15:01.780 about how virtuous you are. All of us, we're fallible. We're fallible beings. I'm not,

01:15:06.580 I'm not going to, I'm not going to pretend I'm a saint or something. I'm not, that's not it. But

01:15:11.700 the point is you have to have a level of awareness to not go full, full, just full liar. Just if you,

01:15:22.900 if you aren't, if you aren't who you say you are, if you're taking a religion of love and mercy

01:15:29.780 and you're turning and you want, you care mostly about shock value because you're an e-girl or an

01:15:36.500 e-man or whatever, if that is what's the primary motive here, caring about clicks and caring about

01:15:43.700 image, that's blasphemous. And you don't have to be perfect to call that out. Yeah. And that's the

01:15:49.700 thing is that there are levels and gradations of people who are, who are not, you know,

01:15:57.460 not entirely virtuous. There are gradations of vice and gradations of people who fall

01:16:06.020 short of the ideal, but don't involve the Pope. If you have already violated almost all of the,

01:16:13.860 all of the things you're saying you stand for. And I think that this is incredibly cynical coming from

01:16:20.660 the, the, uh, on some influencers when they are trying to take lots of things that are important

01:16:28.820 and they try to monetize them, they're monetizing a lie. If, if they haven't violated this, well,

01:16:37.780 okay, that's okay. I'm not saying people shouldn't go out and say they're traditional or they're a

01:16:43.540 Catholic. I'm saying that if you haven't, if you haven't been great, just, just have a level of

01:16:53.060 decency and a level, just tone it down a bit, tone it down a bit. Have this level of self-deprecation,

01:16:58.500 self-awareness. I mean, I always say I live alone like a bug man. Don't do what I do. Have a family.

01:17:03.460 But I always say it from the point of view that I'm failing. You know what I mean? I haven't

01:17:06.500 managed to do it, but I say this, I think people should have family and kids if they want. And

01:17:10.580 ideally it is the ideal. I've not managed to do it. So yeah, I prefer people who are sort of,

01:17:14.180 who sort of self-deprecating, um, but just do their best. But, um, and, and, and there also,

01:17:19.460 there's an argument, there is an argument though, that you're saying it's okay if you're living it,

01:17:22.740 but there's an argument that you can never be trad while, by being an e-girl or it just not trad to do.

01:17:28.740 Because ideally the ideal, of course, as we know is women shouldn't be in politics at all,

01:17:32.900 or ideally not even in the workplace. I mean, that's what you were telling me before we came on

01:17:36.660 air, but I mean, you know, that would solve it, wouldn't it? No women in politics.

01:17:40.660 Don't remember exactly. That's, that's what you said. That's your words. But one thing I want to say

01:17:47.380 here, I want to, I want to disagree with you one here a bit, because I'm not anti-marriage. I'm married

01:17:53.060 and I'm not anti-family and I'm not against family values at all. People do make mistakes.

01:18:00.500 It's when you make a mistake, own it, be humble, especially if your religion talks about humility

01:18:08.340 as being a virtue, be humble, go on an introspective phase. Don't go out saying you possess a

01:18:14.180 functioning Johnson and mad aura and stuff and all this bit. And I want to say that there's the

01:18:20.900 overreaction here. And I think that this shows a lot about audience ethics, because to a very large

01:18:28.900 extent, if people, this is something that people are promoting because lots of people, lots of people

01:18:35.620 have made an audience overnight simply because of shock value. And lots of people want shock value.

01:18:42.100 And I want to say here that there is the exact opposite reaction here. They're saying we don't

01:18:48.340 need a DGEN right movement and we need to amp up the purge of the DGENs and stuff.

01:18:55.140 Yeah, no one wants DGENs, but the point is to a very large extent, the people who are spearheading

01:19:04.660 this and wanting to cast the first stone, they have to tone it down, especially if they are,

01:19:10.900 especially if they're, because they are not saints either.

01:19:14.500 Yeah, although I do, but I do take the point about this degenerate thing. I mean,

01:19:18.980 why is it that the so-called right embraces any degenerate, but take the porn girl who suddenly

01:19:24.740 said she was a Christian, then Michael Knowles had her on and everyone's like, hang on,

01:19:28.420 hang on, you're a bit of a sucker. And then Bonnie Blue has to have an article in The Spectator and say,

01:19:32.420 she likes to perform it. Oh, brilliant. Let's stick Bonnie Blue in it. Why? Why are we so,

01:19:37.060 you don't have to necessarily say they're evil. You can say they're flawed, but you have to like

01:19:40.420 immediately welcome them into the movement as like giving them a massive interview. Yeah.

01:19:44.260 Not really. Zero gatekeeping or, but also humans are tribal animals. Yeah. Right. So I think that

01:19:51.700 this is important and it should, it should make people wonder who they're listening to and when people

01:19:59.860 and what sort of content they want to consume. Right. Should be wholesome content like Lotus ears.

01:20:07.940 Yeah. Hapsification. Stelios is just waiting for the world turn. Calvinism. Sigils turn 17.

01:20:15.700 Left-wing influencers are disgusting. And right-wing influencers are attendees of Caligula's court.

01:20:25.140 Right. Can we just have, can we just get one influencer where we don't know what goes where?

01:20:35.060 Uh, that's a random name. So is that, I believe you call it a joystick. Um,

01:20:40.500 Is it referring to what you said earlier? Yes. Uh, hapsification also. Stelios,

01:20:44.500 how would John Calvin view this third segment? I think he would, uh, ask for a servetus treatment for

01:20:51.860 some people. So it was always determined. Yeah. Let's, um, you want to do the comments?

01:20:57.380 Yeah. Let's go to the comments. We have video. Also, let's go look at whether we have videos.

01:21:06.100 Samson, are you alive? He's doing it. Yeah. We have videos. We're getting them now.

01:21:14.100 Oh, I think he's saying there aren't any. Apparently not. Can I do my comments?

01:21:18.100 Yeah. Yeah. Of course. So comments for, will the next prime minister be even worse?

01:21:22.340 Cumbrian Kulak from Godzone County says, I'm from Cumbria, says, I don't think Starmer will go.

01:21:29.220 He'll cling on and survive. The force is perpetuating over decline at the center of

01:21:33.460 their organization. Things are progressing as expected. I'm thoroughly on the side of sinister

01:21:37.700 intent, not incompetence. If it was due to incompetence, I'd expect occasional good mistakes.

01:21:42.500 Yes. I've often heard the argument. If it's accidental, why does it always go one way?

01:21:46.500 Okay. Alex Ogle, Starmer isn't just forgettable. He's the most anonymous person at a clandestine

01:21:51.380 meeting of anonymous is anonymous. Exactly. Omar says, regardless of quality, a leader will always

01:21:57.460 be assessed by the result. Theoretically, Starmer could not be the worst PM ever, but Labour is so

01:22:02.180 ideologically committed to the decline that the public will only ever see current leader as worst

01:22:06.660 PM ever. I get your point, but I also think he objectively is. Carl's evil twin, Vaush. Oh,

01:22:13.140 Faust is watching. I'm not, I'm hoping that the more left the party goes by the next election comes,

01:22:17.780 the electorate will become radicalized right wingers, thus putting the Greens, Lib Dems,

01:22:22.100 Plaid and Labour in the dustbin of history. Could happen. Henry Ashman, the way Labour party are,

01:22:28.420 I wouldn't be surprised if they chose Peter Manilson as PM too. Ewan Baker, Ewan, is that correct?

01:22:35.300 Imagine if Diane Abbott was shortlisted as the PM. Could happen. Michael Brook. Question,

01:22:40.820 question, question. Yeah. Because I think that this is, this is the important point. What do you,

01:22:46.260 would you want Diane Abbott to lead the Labour party? I see the point because then they completely

01:22:51.220 implode and you destroy them. So yes, I think, I think it'd be just absolute banter. What about David

01:22:57.460 Lammy? We didn't talk much about David Lammy. I thought you were going to mention. No, I didn't

01:23:01.700 talk about it because he wasn't anyone I saw seriously mentioned. I mean, I don't think he's a serious

01:23:04.980 contender. Lammy, Lammy I wouldn't want because I think he's more, he's kind of seen as credible and could

01:23:10.580 actually do quite a lot of damage. I mean, he's done quite a lot of damage already. What way?

01:23:14.660 He wants, you know, giving away Chagos or just. Oh, okay. Yeah. No, no. I wasn't asking whether

01:23:19.140 he can do damage. Oh, he can. Yeah. What way is he credible? Well, when you say to me, could,

01:23:25.300 would Diane Abbott be leader? We both know it's a joke. If you say to me, could David Lammy,

01:23:29.620 it's actually possible. That's what I mean. Thought of as credible in the party. Okay. That's what

01:23:33.540 scares me. Michael Brooks, I wouldn't trust her to make tea, Nick. Who actually? Oh,

01:23:39.300 Ange. Oh, who did I say was making tea? Who's the tea reference to? Oh yeah. Angela Rayner in the

01:23:43.460 tea room. Yeah. And Michael also says she sounds about as mentally competent as she is. Yeah. That

01:23:48.980 must be big Ange. All right. Thanks for those. Right. Cambria and Kulak. MAGA are sabotaging

01:23:56.260 themselves. Don't protect PDF files. Don't do foreign wars. Put America first. Thomas Massey was

01:24:03.860 excellent during COVID as well. So much respect for him. Okay. Lord Inquisitor Hector Rex,

01:24:12.100 nothing about the Gropers seems genuine to me, especially not when Fuentes has endorsed almost

01:24:17.860 every Democrat candidate recently, like Kamala and Newsom. Here's what I was, I wanted to say

01:24:24.180 before is Jack, if you look at it from a, from a comedic perspective, right? The Newsom nationalism

01:24:29.620 bit was hilarious. I just couldn't stop laughing. It's hilarious. I don't understand it much more if

01:24:37.700 it was just, you know, it's confined in comedy. Yeah. But people start seriously talking like

01:24:43.060 about looks maxing and Gavin Newsom's the Chad, whereas JD Vance is a round face. I'm like,

01:24:48.340 yeah, this is getting very gay. It's like when that clavicular guy's like, oh,

01:24:51.540 Gavin Newsom's better because he looks better. It's like, he's also a psychopath. JD Vance would be

01:24:55.700 far better for America than Gavin Newsom. So it just gets ridiculous. Yeah, but here's the ridiculous,

01:25:00.820 it is funny, but the ridiculous part is that they forget policy and they say, well, now Fuentes was

01:25:07.300 arguing that Trump hasn't delivered the mass deportations bit, but then they're saying, they're

01:25:12.900 saying, well, no, let's, let's sabotage them because he hasn't deported as many people as he promised.

01:25:19.620 And therefore, let's, let's go and support, let's go and sabotage them and support candidates

01:25:25.380 who want the world to reopen and the borders to open again. Okay. Derek Power, master of chippies.

01:25:32.740 What Fuentes is advocating for is what's happening in Virginia. This is not going to have a happy ending.

01:25:38.900 He may think the happy ending, he may think this will create. And I wonder if that was really the point.

01:25:44.660 Also, he, Derek Power, the master of chippies. I understand they're concerned about being edgy

01:25:50.580 and losing people. At the same time, I'm tired of just playing nice because it's the principal thing

01:25:56.180 to do. Our enemies are unashamedly, not nice at all. Also playing nice has gotten us into this mess

01:26:02.420 in the first place. I respectfully disagree on this because it isn't an issue of playing nice,

01:26:07.860 but an issue of maintaining standards. And yeah, just when, for instance, the left completely lacks

01:26:15.060 standards. This is exactly what I was saying on my, on my, on my thread. Samson, could we have the,

01:26:22.740 the first segment please loaded?

01:26:27.300 Because lots of people are saying, well, the left has gone completely bonkers. So let us go bonkers as

01:26:33.220 well. But they forget that this is precisely why the left lost lots of people. So this is exactly

01:26:41.460 what I said. In a way you're both talking about being pragmatic. Yeah. You know, it was, it was

01:26:47.620 because the Democrats didn't impose limits on the radicals that they lost so many people and so many

01:26:55.860 Democrats voted for Trump. This isn't something to emulate. Okay. Uh, Jordy Sortsman. It's as I've

01:27:03.140 said here previously, the split in the American right is between boomer cocks addicted to losing

01:27:08.660 and children stomping their feet demanding absolute perfection three weeks ago. Um, Michael Brooks,

01:27:15.780 can we just start ignoring these children? He's proven himself a containment effort time and time again.

01:27:21.380 He knows exactly what he's doing. He gives them a smear to put on you and reveals revel,

01:27:26.260 revels in it. Michael Brooks, people responded to what they a sensitive to.

01:27:34.180 So if you say something and people jumped on it, there's probably a lot of truth in it and

01:27:39.620 show you how they view themselves. Okay. And now let's go to the trad e-girl question. Annie Moss agrees

01:27:46.500 with Nick, with brother Nick. By definition, an e-girl is not traditional. Therefore, any e-girls claim,

01:27:53.380 any e-girl claiming to be trad has the IQ of the average Somalian or Nick Quintus. He is a bit smart

01:28:00.260 than that. Let's. He's smart. Michael Dribobis claims of virtue is like claims of being an alpha.

01:28:06.580 If you have to tell me you are, you really aren't. This reminds me of Tywin Lannister advice. Yeah.

01:28:12.260 If you have to say you're the true king, you ain't. I tried to say before, you shouldn't say I've got

01:28:17.060 aura. You can't say I'm alpha or I've got aura. Yeah. Two things you can't say. Or let alone mad aura.

01:28:23.300 Yeah. Yeah. Samson, you devil. You know what you did. You know what you did. What have I done?

01:28:30.100 You faced yourself. Michael Brooks. Roar is far more based than Fuentes. You can't be an e-girl and trad

01:28:40.020 in their mutually exclusive terms. Elijah was pretty funny. Haven't seen any of his for a year or so.

01:28:45.940 Milo seems to have gone through it and be so publicly exposed that he has freed himself to tell

01:28:51.140 the truth at all times. Who knew people that want to be in the public eye or flawed game? Hungry

01:28:56.660 whores. George Happ. Trad thoughts are worse than the regular ones because they are wearing a costume.

01:29:05.700 The moment something doesn't go their way, they turn into a vicious feminist with a prepare hashtag

01:29:11.780 me too story. Look at what happened to Crowder. They're all feminists, definitely. Lord Inquisito

01:29:17.060 Hector Rex. This is why I have my wife wear a chastity belt with a biometric lock tied to my finger

01:29:23.620 print. Truly trans. Pensible.

01:29:29.220 George D. Swordsman. Someone who loudly proclaims their virtue being shown as a complete charlatan.

01:29:34.980 I'm shocked. Shocked, I tell you. This has never previously occurred in all of recorded history,

01:29:40.660 especially from those purporting religiosity. Arizona desert rat. You have to have a level of

01:29:46.580 awareness and humility to not become a liar. Yeah, but still, I think that was way too,

01:29:53.220 way too. How can you miss the fact that you have had sex before marriage and you're preaching

01:29:59.380 people shouldn't have? It's bonkers. How can you miss that?

01:30:03.940 You must have, she must have known.

01:30:05.300 No. She must have known. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Right. Okay. Thank you very much,

01:30:10.820 brother Nick. Thank you, sir.

01:30:12.660 Check. 3 p.m. Lads hour. Are you going to be on it?

01:30:16.020 Yeah. Good. About a stomach bunker. Hope you enjoyed it. I really much enjoyed it.

01:30:21.940 Thank you very much for all this. We had a great discussion.

01:30:24.180 Good discussion. Yeah. Yeah. Thanks. And disclaimer, Nick disavows.

01:30:28.980 Disavows everything. Yeah. Disavows everything. Right. Okay. Have a lovely weekend before you

01:30:34.020 enjoy lads hour. See you on Monday at 1 p.m. Goodbye.

The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - February 06, 2026

The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1349

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