The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1357

00:00:00.000 Good afternoon folks, welcome to the podcast of the Lotus Eaters for Wednesday 18th of February

00:00:03.780 2026. I'm joined by the Restore Britain team. Lewis Brackpool, Harrison Pitt and Charlie Downs.

00:00:09.640 Thanks for being here gentlemen. Hello Carl. Hello. And today we're going to be talking about how the

00:00:13.340 people have actually already told us that they want Restore, they just don't know it yet. Then

00:00:18.880 we're going to be talking about Nigel Farage's response to the Restore Britain party and then

00:00:25.000 we're going to be talking about how reform have just come out today literally and admitted that

00:00:30.120 they're just pure containment in literally every way that actually is substantive. And so it's

00:00:36.840 going to be a big podcast and we'll just get straight on with it. So back in 2020 this report

00:00:41.900 came out and it's called the Mind the Values Gap and what this did is show us the distinction between

00:00:47.720 the general public and what the average person in this country actually wants and what they're

00:00:52.860 getting in Parliament. And it's pretty bad. So we'll just, we'll start on page seven. There's

00:00:57.300 a lot to this obviously. So I'm going to pluck a few things out that are particularly relevant.

00:01:03.860 But yeah, there we go. Page seven. So you can see the economic values here, right? So as you can see,

00:01:08.620 the voters are actually kind of centre left when it comes to economics. They're of course accepting

00:01:13.960 of markets. They're of course accepting of private property ownership and they accept that, you know,

00:01:18.180 I mean, nobody likes paying taxes. But you can see that none of the MPs, and remember this back

00:01:23.100 in 2020, so you really only had two horse race. There are only two games in town, Conservatives

00:01:27.460 and Labour. So that's based on the sort of the paradigm that's breaking down. But it shows you

00:01:31.260 why that paradigm is breaking down. Labour MPs and voters are far to the left, but at least the Labour

00:01:37.320 voters and the Labour MPs are kind of roughly aligned. Conservative voters and Conservative MPs

00:01:43.540 massively out of whack. Conservative MPs and the councillors and the candidates and the members

00:01:48.760 are all way to the right, which means extreme free marketeers, compared to not only Conservative

00:01:54.780 voters, but the median voter themselves. And so you're right, okay, that's a strange misalignment

00:02:00.860 that isn't good for anyone. And then if we go down to the social values on page 10, I mean,

00:02:06.260 here's, here's just like a more detailed granular point on that. So as you can see, like the average

00:02:13.380 voter is just not really getting at all what they want. And management will always try to get the

00:02:18.820 better of employees when it gets the chance. Well, I mean, Conservative voters and Labour MPs agree

00:02:23.080 with that. So why are the Conservative MPs so radically in favour of big business, for example?

00:02:29.960 And all these sorts of things, you know, the one law for the rich, one law for the poor. Conservative

00:02:33.720 MPs? No, not at all. Voters and Labour MPs are a bit more realistic about this. And of course,

00:02:39.720 big business takes advantage of ordinary people. Well, the Labour MPs are a bit more to the left

00:02:44.020 on the voters. But still, you can see this is a complete misalignment. Then we get the social

00:02:48.600 values. That's very interesting, isn't it? All voters are to the right of Conservative MPs.

00:02:58.340 Interesting that the dichotomy there is liberal and authoritarian. I mean, how do they define

00:03:03.100 authoritarian? It doesn't matter. You know, right wing and left wingers. You know what

00:03:08.360 they're saying. Should you be more restrained or more open, right? But isn't it interesting

00:03:13.360 how Labour voters are far to the right of Labour MPs? And the average voter is to the right

00:03:19.760 of the Conservative MPs. So MPs are generally wet libs. And it's not anything new. But at

00:03:25.680 least it's nice to have the actual data there. Any thoughts on this?

00:03:28.780 Yeah, well, I mean, one thing that I would say is that in the in the I think that we

00:03:32.380 are still to some extent, living off the fumes of the Cold War, in which in order to be patriotic

00:03:38.740 person in order to be pro Western in order to be conservative, in some sense, you had to

00:03:43.940 be in favour of the free market, because the free market was against the Soviets, against

00:03:48.040 the Soviets, it's the obvious alternative, you've either got a set the options are simple,

00:03:51.340 either we have a free market system, or we have a centrally planned society of the kind

00:03:55.900 that Hayek warns about in, in the road to serfdom. But I think it was I think it was

00:04:00.220 very well put by I can't remember his name. But there's someone running in Florida at the

00:04:03.040 moment for some role. He's called James Fisher back. Oh, yeah. And he was on Tucker Carlson

00:04:07.760 the other day. And I think he put it very well, that what we want in in America, he said,

00:04:11.560 and obviously, in Britain, I think this would be the position of restore Britain is not so

00:04:14.780 much a free, a free market, we want a free people. And so to the extent that that is

00:04:19.240 consistent with market dynamics, excellent. And to the extent that market dynamics act in a

00:04:23.560 predatory fashion, which in fact erodes the freedoms of Englishmen or of Britons in this

00:04:29.080 country, then we should dissent from it. So in other words, it should it should be a matter

00:04:32.080 of pragmatic judgment, not sort of ideological rigidity. And I would say that that's our position.

00:04:36.180 This is a point that I've made many times as well, because the the abstraction, the ideological

00:04:41.180 abstraction of the free market is actually not reflective necessarily of the concrete reality

00:04:47.720 of property ownership. And in fact, the free market has come to inhibit property ownership.

00:04:53.560 Good luck getting a house any of you labs. Yeah. Yeah. And that's all the free market

00:04:57.320 that's done that. That's not socialism. So it's so that he's absolutely right. What

00:05:02.120 is is the market actually useful? And is it serving its function? And if has it been used

00:05:06.280 to exploit the countries or actually serve them? And so I'm like with everyone else, I'm

00:05:11.200 of course, a standard Englishman on this. I own my property, and you don't get to tell

00:05:14.680 me what to do with it. But I don't want to see the country at the whims of predatory international

00:05:21.880 capital. That's not that's not a good thing for anyone. Yeah, I would summarize our position.

00:05:26.840 As you know, Carl, Rupert is a man of the city. He was a businessman. But he recognizes, unlike

00:05:33.320 I would say more or less every other politician of the so called right, that Britain is not just

00:05:38.280 an economy. And this is something that this is what he said in his video. Yes. He recognizes that

00:05:43.960 Britain is a people. And we're not just an extension of an economy. And therefore, the economy needs to

00:05:49.720 serve the people and not the other way around. And so I would summarize our position by saying

00:05:54.280 that we believe in rewarding risk taking, we believe in rewarding hard work, but not to the

00:05:59.560 extent that it makes it impossible to survive in our country. If you are somebody that genuinely

00:06:03.960 can't work, we believe in taking care of our people. But also, we've we've got a real problem

00:06:07.880 with the sort of radically Reaganites or style open markets, which is, okay, if if we were dealing

00:06:14.120 with just a purely free market with maybe, you know, the Northwest European countries,

00:06:18.280 the Scandinavian countries, Denmark, Holland, those sort of countries, then maybe we could

00:06:23.080 have that sort of radically open. But now we're competing with China and India. We essentially

00:06:27.400 have what we would consider to be slave labor and drastically undercut our markets and our workers.

00:06:33.000 That's not a fair competition. And we're actually setting ourselves up for destruction,

00:06:36.360 which is why China is the manufacturing hub of the world at the moment. So we, I think,

00:06:41.400 have all agree, basically, free market Reaganism, as you pointed out, it's archaic. It's a holdover

00:06:47.160 from the Cold War. And actually, it's been exploited. It crosses over with immigration as well.

00:06:52.200 Yes, it does. Because you can, you can definitely argue, and I would argue as well,

00:06:56.040 that immigration isn't really a binary sort of topic. It's not, it's not to do with left or right

00:07:01.320 anymore. Because, you know, the far end of capitalism is importing cheap labor, and, you know,

00:07:09.560 the fat cats at the top get richer and richer with that. So when you argue with the Greens,

00:07:14.440 for example, who want to just, you know, just use us as an economic zone. Open the borders as well.

00:07:19.720 Yeah. Yeah.

00:07:20.360 You can easily flank them from this side by literally saying, well, hang on a minute,

00:07:25.400 if you bring all these people over, it's going to drive down wages, it's going to cause friction,

00:07:29.800 and it's going to cause, it's going to squeeze the state and the welfare state and various other

00:07:36.680 institutions. Not only that, this, you are being the useful idiots of big business.

00:07:40.360 Yes, exactly.

00:07:41.240 You say, oh, I'm against the rich, but you do everything that they want.

00:07:44.680 Exactly.

00:07:46.040 Since Trump's victory, there has been an obvious attempt on the path of the left to try and pivot back to

00:07:50.600 economic considerations. Rather than being race communist, we'll go back to being more sort of

00:07:56.600 economic, communist and egalitarians. And you have these people who are sort of

00:08:00.840 spokespeople for this. And I suppose in the British case, what's he called?

00:08:03.160 Gransky.

00:08:03.800 Gransky.

00:08:04.120 Oh, well, Gransky.

00:08:04.840 Gary Stevenson.

00:08:05.640 Gary Stevenson.

00:08:06.280 Gary Stevenson.

00:08:07.160 But what you realize very quickly, if you start talking to these people, not that I have,

00:08:09.880 but I've seen them talk about it, is that as soon as you start probing them on the extent

00:08:14.360 to which immigration makes the kind of agenda that they're interested in having less scalable,

00:08:19.080 they immediately prioritize certain race taboos, as Eric Cowpen would, over their supposed

00:08:24.920 economic egalitarianism, which goes to show that it's fairly skin deep, and it is largely

00:08:28.600 just a strategy.

00:08:29.240 But this is the point, as we've discussed before.

00:08:30.440 Well, just a quick thing, it's mostly just predicated on resentment. I just hate the

00:08:34.040 people, yes.

00:08:34.680 And therefore, yeah.

00:08:35.400 And white people.

00:08:36.120 Yeah, exactly.

00:08:37.400 Predominantly that.

00:08:38.040 Imagine managing to dovetail your two favorite hatreds together to destroy the country.

00:08:42.360 Sorry, go ahead.

00:08:42.760 But we discussed a few months ago the rise of the post-woke left, embodied in the figure

00:08:47.160 of Gary Stevenson. And I said at that time that the right does actually need an answer.

00:08:50.840 And you were well ahead of the curve on that. Well done.

00:08:52.760 Because what they're saying is true about property ownership, about the way in which

00:08:57.240 wealth is increasingly concentrated in the hands of fewer and fewer people because of

00:09:00.600 the type of system that we have. But I mean, our position would not be to just steal from people

00:09:06.120 to rectify that situation. Because the main reason not to do that is because it doesn't work.

00:09:09.880 Or ban landlords.

00:09:11.000 Or to be as blind to the importance of demographics as these people are, as soon as you start scratching.

00:09:15.880 I mean, there are some genuinely decent, we might call them like paleo-conservative leftists,

00:09:22.200 who do understand the importance of culture and the importance of demographics in making

00:09:26.440 a society flourish. William Cluston is the obvious example.

00:09:29.800 Yes.

00:09:30.200 But William himself, I'm sure, would be willing to admit this, they are a rarity these days.

00:09:34.200 Oh, absolutely.

00:09:34.760 Very rare.

00:09:35.160 But this is exactly the point, isn't it? It's rather than actually engaging in some

00:09:39.720 kind of necessary surgery to heal the wound and fix the problem, they just want to change

00:09:44.360 the excesses of the problem.

00:09:46.040 Yes.

00:09:46.280 It's like, oh, no, I still want as many cheap workers coming in as possible.

00:09:49.960 I just want to then be punitive towards the people who are benefiting from this.

00:09:53.160 Yeah.

00:09:54.440 The worst of all possible worlds.

00:09:55.560 Yeah, exactly. It's the worst of all possible worlds. How about we just stem the tide

00:09:59.960 so they just don't have the option of benefiting in the way they are.

00:10:02.360 But anyway, right. So let's move on to social values, since we've covered the economic values.

00:10:06.280 And my goodness, look at the poor all voters dot in the middle there.

00:10:10.120 Labour MPs radically to the left. Conservative MPs also radically to the left.

00:10:15.080 Yeah, yeah. You can see it. You can see it with your own eyes. It's good to see the data.

00:10:20.760 We are not represented in any way by anyone in the establishment and haven't been for a very long

00:10:25.480 time. And then look, I mean, this is the first one is just the death penalty, right?

00:10:30.600 Like, Labour voters are to the right of Conservative MPs on the death penalty for, say, terrorists.

00:10:36.360 Yes.

00:10:36.680 Right? Now this, we'll get into the polling in a minute, because it's just ridiculous.

00:10:41.160 But again, all voters, young people don't have enough respect for traditional British values.

00:10:44.520 Conservative voters, because, sorry, all voters, radically to the right of the Conservative MPs,

00:10:50.760 who are basically on the same spot as, who are to the left of the Labour voters.

00:10:55.960 Just, this is crazy.

00:10:57.720 British values mentioned, though.

00:11:00.520 Yeah, I know, I know.

00:11:02.040 But for the average person, they just think that means traditional Britain.

00:11:05.240 Yeah.

00:11:05.720 That's what they're thinking.

00:11:06.680 Proper Britain.

00:11:07.160 Yeah, proper Britain.

00:11:08.200 And so this has been a consistent through line through our politics.

00:11:13.000 But, you know, I mean, look at that.

00:11:14.200 People who break the law should be given stiffer sentences.

00:11:16.520 All voters, yes, quite right wing on that.

00:11:18.840 Conservative MPs, well, hang on a second, I'm a wet lib, actually.

00:11:22.040 Labour MPs, no, I want your communities filled with troublemakers, which is why on day one,

00:11:27.480 Keir Starmer opens the prisons.

00:11:29.080 Yeah.

00:11:29.480 Like, this is traditional left-wing politics in order to create chaos in society that you have to deal with.

00:11:35.960 One thing that I would say, I mean, I gave people on the left, I mean, there was every difference in

00:11:40.120 the world, isn't there, between a stated preference and a revealed preference.

00:11:42.840 And I gave people trouble on the left earlier, for being sort of economically leftist,

00:11:47.080 but not being willing, in a way that someone like Klustin is, to bite the demographic bullet.

00:11:51.160 The same is true the other way for many of those conservatives who are trying to be

00:11:54.680 performatively tough about giving people stiffer sentences and all the rest of it.

00:11:58.120 There's a really good example from the U.S. would be all Republicans, almost to a T,

00:12:02.200 when asked, ordinary mainstream Republicans, do you believe in meritocracy at universities?

00:12:07.080 They go, oh yes, of course, I completely believe in meritocracy at universities.

00:12:11.000 But when it comes to actually confronting what the results of meritocracy at universities would mean,

00:12:15.640 I think there was a study, Harvard itself admitted, because it was forced to in a lawsuit,

00:12:21.720 brought in an action by Asian students who felt like they, alongside white people,

00:12:26.280 were being discriminated against through affirmative action at Harvard.

00:12:29.720 Harvard admitted that the black population of its student body would go from being around 14%

00:12:34.600 to 0.6% if meritocracy were truly enforced and there really was a sort of colorblind process of admission.

00:12:40.840 When it comes to this, and I don't think that many Republicans would be politically willing to

00:12:44.120 tolerate that as a way, by way of outcome. The same applies here when it's stuff like people

00:12:48.600 who break the law should be given stiffer sentences. You've got all of these conservative,

00:12:52.040 or to be fair, they're to the left of voters, which is interesting, but a lot of conservative

00:12:55.000 members and conservative voters, not to disparage them personally, but it's very likely that they

00:12:57.960 wouldn't, they would be, their consciences would be pricked by what that would mean in practice.

00:13:02.360 That would certainly be the case for the MPs.

00:13:03.960 Certainly the case for the MPs, but in fairness, at least they're not being performatively

00:13:06.840 tough about it. I didn't realize that would be my point. But suffice it to say, if you have

00:13:12.280 more people from foreign backgrounds going to prison, and I don't know, there's a statistic

00:13:16.120 that the left makes a lot about, this percentage of black people who are in prison, a lot of

00:13:20.360 conservatives are not actually going to be happy with that outcome.

00:13:22.200 No, maybe they should stop committing crimes. But I like the final one there. Schools should

00:13:27.240 teach children to obey authority, even then the voters are just to the right of the conservative

00:13:31.800 MPs on this. Now this should have been the easiest slam dunk for a conservative MP. How are the

00:13:36.440 members and the voters far to the right of the average MP on this? This is completely

00:13:41.080 uncontroversial. I mean, look at Labour voters, even their right wing on this issue. Labour MPs

00:13:45.640 and Labour members, of course, radically to the left.

00:13:47.880 Even though Labour controlled the schools, I'm somewhat surprised that they

00:13:50.680 disagreed with that so strongly.

00:13:52.280 Wow, yeah, I suppose.

00:13:53.640 Authority in this case.

00:13:54.440 Anyway, I don't think they did when this study was commissioned.

00:13:57.320 That's true.

00:13:57.960 So that's the landscape that we've been in for a long time. This was done in 2020,

00:14:02.360 but nothing substantive has changed on this. All of our MPs are, of course, still left wing

00:14:06.840 in some way or another.

00:14:07.960 I would imagine the position of all voters has hardened on all of those issues, though.

00:14:11.720 I'd say that's probably the only one.

00:14:12.680 I would love to see an update on that study. Anyway, so I thought we'd talk about Restore

00:14:16.840 Britain's stated positions on any sort of popular and controversial hot topic, because

00:14:23.560 as far as I can tell, and we have all of the polling for this, Restore Britain represents a

00:14:28.920 massive underserved demographic that we call the British public. Because when polled on all of

00:14:35.240 these issues, the British public's like, I like that a lot. And so actually, a lot of what Rupert Lowe

00:14:41.080 and yourselves have been putting forward is actually completely uncontroversial outside of the

00:14:46.040 Westminster bubble of very left wing liberal ideology. And I thought we'd just go through it in detail.

00:14:51.080 So it's all about gender ideology. Now, I mean, this should be a really straightforward thing for

00:14:55.880 everyone in this area to go. But even now, they're still talking about the plight of men in dresses,

00:15:01.000 which is very strange. But of course, Restore Britain will not pretend that a man wearing a

00:15:05.240 dress is a woman. We're just not going to do that. They're going to follow the Supreme Court decision.

00:15:09.560 And people agree with this, unsurprisingly. Over half of people agree with the Supreme Court that

00:15:14.760 a transgender woman is not legally a woman. Over half believe they should be excluded from

00:15:19.000 women's sports and toilets. So you have an overall majority there. It's just really cut

00:15:23.640 and dried. No controversy there. J.K. Rowling has won. And Nicola Sturgeon has lost.

00:15:31.000 I made the point to the venerable Alex Phillips the other night that this issue, although it is very

00:15:36.440 important because we still have a governing class in this country that believes in this kind of nonsense.

00:15:41.960 Nevertheless, it is, I think, viewed as being a kind of safe,

00:15:44.920 anti-establishment talking point to talk about trans. It's kind of permitted. You're kind of

00:15:48.600 allowed to, which is why you hear reform MPs banging on about it.

00:15:51.880 If it helps, we're going to get onto all of them. This was just the easing us in. So it's like the

00:15:55.960 basics. Yes, men are men and women are women. And they're not interchangeable. That's really not

00:16:01.880 very controversial. So the next one is, of course, on non-stun slaughter.

00:16:05.880 Yes. Of course, Rupert has been banging this drum, as you can see, for a long time now.

00:16:10.360 Now, back in June last year, he was saying this. And now this is one of those things that actually

00:16:15.480 I couldn't find very strong polling on in Britain, but around Europe more broadly,

00:16:21.640 wildly popular. Yeah.

00:16:22.840 Right? So there's no particular reason to think that the average Brit would have a different opinion.

00:16:28.600 I mean, I think it may well be higher in Britain, because we have the longest tradition of any

00:16:31.880 country in the world of animal rights. I was going to say it's true.

00:16:34.120 1832, I think, the first animal rights law passed.

00:16:36.520 There's a book called The English Are They Human? And in it, the Dutch psychologist

00:16:41.160 who's writing it, he's visiting Britain. He goes on about the British love of animals,

00:16:44.840 and he just can't understand why we love our animals so much. It's like, because they're

00:16:48.200 our friends. I don't know what to tell you.

00:16:51.480 Yeah. Well, I don't know if you've got this included, Carl, but the Telegraph, of all places,

00:16:54.520 published a hit piece on us. I think it was yesterday, last last night.

00:16:57.560 Oh, I didn't see it, actually.

00:16:58.360 About this topic, essentially criticizing us for calling for halal and kosher slaughter to be banned.

00:17:03.880 Yeah. And our response to that is, you know, this is Britain, and we will do things our way.

00:17:08.360 Yes. And that's the correct answer.

00:17:09.640 As simple as that.

00:17:10.360 There was a poll that Rupert Lowe posted on his Facebook page that suggested 55% of people wanted

00:17:17.960 a ban on non-stun slaughter. Only 12% didn't want a ban, although, like I said, I haven't seen the

00:17:22.920 details of this one. So, but I think it's really safe to assume that that is, I mean, honestly,

00:17:29.720 I think that's severely undercounting. If you actually showed someone a video of non-stun

00:17:34.200 slaughter and say, are you okay with this? Yeah.

00:17:35.960 Part of the point.

00:17:36.440 It's interesting that the reaction about us wanting to ban halal and kosher has been,

00:17:43.720 from the bubble, it's been quite interesting to see many people come out and start saying,

00:17:47.400 well, it's an issue that's, you know, it's not looked at. It's an issue that we just don't

00:17:51.240 really care about. Settled.

00:17:52.280 Yeah, it's settled. Like, you know, we just carry on. Interesting.

00:17:55.640 Dog whistle for xenophobia says, Iqbal Mohammed, one of the Gaza MPs.

00:18:01.000 And, oh, is this the one you were talking about?

00:18:02.760 That's the one.

00:18:03.320 Yeah. Banning ritual slaughter would shame Britain.

00:18:05.960 Come on.

00:18:07.000 Does anyone believe that?

00:18:08.120 I thought it was an issue that nobody really cared about.

00:18:11.160 But also, I'm personally of the opinion that the fact that we permit it is what shames us,

00:18:15.720 and actually we need to do something about this.

00:18:17.720 Yeah. I really enjoyed it.

00:18:19.160 Spot back. It's completely inappropriate for a first world country like ours.

00:18:21.880 Of course. But you are also a racist, according to a popular Twitter poster, Harry Eccles.

00:18:27.400 Who cares?

00:18:27.960 Well, it's...

00:18:28.360 Who is he?

00:18:28.760 Exactly.

00:18:29.640 Sorry, who is he?

00:18:31.000 He's a popular left-wing tweeter.

00:18:33.080 Oh, right.

00:18:33.480 But he's...

00:18:34.680 And yeah, you're going to be shocked, though. He thinks you're a racist.

00:18:36.680 Oh, really?

00:18:37.400 Yeah, this is...

00:18:38.520 Don't care.

00:18:39.400 Anyway, the next one, not allow foreigners to vote in British elections.

00:18:44.920 Yeah.

00:18:45.240 Wow, that seems controversial.

00:18:47.160 And stand, by the way, because Commonwealth citizens can stand as reform showed all of us.

00:18:51.400 You don't want Bangladeshi nationalists standing in...

00:18:54.200 I don't want Bangladeshi nationals standing in my election.

00:18:56.920 Absolutely. Why would we want any foreign nationals standing in our election?

00:19:00.600 Obviously, Danny Finkelstein, friend of the show, replied to a tweet that I made about this.

00:19:04.440 Friend of the show?

00:19:05.240 Yeah. About how we don't want second-generation migrants occupying positions in great offices of state in this country.

00:19:12.200 Which, in my view, is perfectly sensible. But he said it was a bonkers fringe position.

00:19:16.120 But actually, why would we want foreigners in positions of power in our country?

00:19:19.560 Okay, Danny, but how many generations do British people have to live in Pakistan or Israel or India

00:19:25.080 before we're allowed to stand in their elections and take over their country?

00:19:28.120 And if the answer is there is no limit, because you're not allowed, then why shouldn't we be reciprocal on that?

00:19:32.680 Yeah.

00:19:33.080 Anyway, so, perfectly sensible position, in my opinion. The British subjects, the British public, of course, think the same. Now, again, I had to go back to 2013 to get this, because for some reason, they just don't poll on this.

00:19:45.560 But 60% of adults say no.

00:19:47.960 It could be even higher now.

00:19:48.900 It is bound to be even higher now.

00:19:50.200 On this as well, I ran some freedom of information requests in our investigations unit to try and figure out some of the data on Commonwealth citizens voting in our elections.

00:20:01.240 And I got some responses, one from Tower Hamlets in particular, where there was a...

00:20:06.280 Sorry, go on.

00:20:07.340 I didn't realise there was a migration that happened in 2014 between two systems. So, they brought over, like, old data of the electorate over to a new system, and it's completely discombobulated, and they can't actually find exact data on who is voting in our elections, especially Commonwealth citizens.

00:20:27.540 I believe we got... I think it was Bradford who came back to us as well and said, I think it was over 30,000... I need to double-check on this, because I haven't looked at it in quite some time, but I believe it was over 30,000 Commonwealth citizens voting in Bradford alone.

00:20:44.820 Unbelievable.

00:20:45.100 And I found that you can, if you're part of the Commonwealth, you can, let's say you're from Canada, you can fly over on an indefinite leave to remain or indefinite leave to enter, you can stay in temporary accommodation, and you can sign up and vote in our elections.

00:21:02.780 Literally, you can come on holiday to vote.

00:21:03.900 Yeah, you can come on holiday to vote.

00:21:05.320 I think a very important point to make here, that the grounds for excluding these people is very easy and straightforward, as far as I'm concerned.

00:21:12.180 And the major principle of democracy is that you need to receive the consent of the governed in order for a certain policy to take effect.

00:21:20.140 When we're talking about immigrant populations with incredibly shallow roots here, their consent is assumed by the fact that they have chosen to live in this country.

00:21:27.800 In the vast majority of cases, they will have backup homelands of their own, to which they can...

00:21:32.680 Not even the vast majority, every single case.

00:21:34.320 Well, I mean, there will be edge cases like the Kurds and all that sort of thing, but you said that's why I had to hedge it a bit.

00:21:38.900 But yes, and to which they can relocate in the event that they are unhappy with the way in which the British, having built this country, decide to organise themselves in their own way politically.

00:21:47.800 Right, and frankly, this is our country.

00:21:51.400 It's just, you know, this is our country.

00:21:53.220 It's our democracy.

00:21:54.340 This is our political power.

00:21:55.960 You aren't entitled to it, is the way I look at these things.

00:21:58.920 Anyway, so, obviously the British public in favour.

00:22:02.100 How about deporting criminals?

00:22:05.500 Controversial with some...

00:22:07.120 Including Nigel Farage.

00:22:08.900 We'll get to that in a bit.

00:22:11.080 But not controversial with the British public, obviously.

00:22:13.320 90% of people are like, yeah, why would they stay?

00:22:16.540 And Keir Starmer's like, they're not only staying, I'm letting them out early.

00:22:19.580 We want them to work.

00:22:20.520 Yeah, yeah.

00:22:22.840 Very, very bizarre.

00:22:24.100 But overall, people want millions to go.

00:22:28.740 This is just, if millions go, then millions go.

00:22:31.380 And this is a very interesting YouGov poll that they did.

00:22:36.940 But they found that 45% of Britons here think admitting no more new migrants and requiring large numbers of migrants who came to the UK in recent years to leave.

00:22:47.800 That's, apart from the 12% who don't know, we'll take them out.

00:22:51.240 That's half of the public already agree with this.

00:22:55.060 And this was done a few months back.

00:22:57.300 When was it?

00:22:57.840 Yeah, August last year.

00:22:59.580 So this was before Rupert Lowe started Restore Britain's Party.

00:23:02.300 This was before any significant campaigning has been done.

00:23:04.760 No, just half the people in this country are like, why are there so many foreigners here?

00:23:07.700 They need to go home.

00:23:08.980 And that is with the public being very low information on these sorts of topics.

00:23:12.700 Because I think it's in this exact same study.

00:23:14.580 But it shows that the majority of people think net migration is running at about 70,000 a year.

00:23:18.160 And they think that most of the people they see are eagles.

00:23:20.620 And so if they think that it's only 70,000, and it's at that point they're saying, you know, there's far too many coming.

00:23:27.920 And in fact, we need to reverse this process.

00:23:29.700 Just wait till we start running our campaigns nationwide, showing that it's in the millions.

00:23:34.340 And more to the point, I mean, this is the moderate position.

00:23:36.420 As you said, Carl, about the various other positions that we're taking.

00:23:39.920 This is the normal, I think, settled opinion of the British public.

00:23:43.160 Because the alternative, and in fact, what has happened already, is far more radical than what we're proposing.

00:23:48.340 That's insane.

00:23:49.100 But you can see that more people than not think, yeah, millions have to go.

00:23:52.980 So Rupert Lowe, absolutely correct when it said, if millions leave, millions leave.

00:23:56.580 And 45% of the public are like, great.

00:23:58.540 And if you got 45% of the public to vote for you in a general election, you'd have a massive landslide.

00:24:03.940 And everyone knows that.

00:24:04.700 So, again, wildly popular position that Rupert Lowe has just put his finger on the pulse on.

00:24:09.720 So, of course, cousin marriage.

00:24:11.580 Keir Starmer might be for it, but people are obviously against it.

00:24:15.960 This is from 2025.

00:24:18.780 Three quarters.

00:24:19.420 Yeah, 77% of Britain say it shouldn't be legal.

00:24:22.200 And the rest are probably immigrants.

00:24:22.700 Who's that remaining percent saying, yeah, I'm up for it?

00:24:26.040 I think we know.

00:24:27.160 Countries where it's normal.

00:24:28.160 Yeah, yeah, exactly.

00:24:30.060 It's just wild that.

00:24:31.100 It's like three quarters of Britain oppose incest.

00:24:33.120 Yeah, yeah.

00:24:34.860 That's mental.

00:24:35.800 Basically, yes.

00:24:36.720 So, again, another wildly popular position.

00:24:39.900 But then there are other things that don't tend to come up that much.

00:24:42.880 But Rupert Lowe has come out and said anyway.

00:24:44.860 And these are the things I find the most interesting.

00:24:47.140 Because these are all fairly predictable, right?

00:24:48.900 These are all fairly mainstream things.

00:24:50.180 One of my favorites was the home defense point, right?

00:24:52.480 Because I'm just telling you, if you ever broke into my house, I'm gutting you like a fish.

00:24:56.940 I don't care what happens to me afterwards, right?

00:25:00.140 But the British public completely agree with this.

00:25:03.640 And this is one of those things.

00:25:04.900 There have been test cases.

00:25:06.580 And essentially, the judiciary has had to back down out of public outrage.

00:25:10.860 Because people are like, you are not punishing that guy for defending himself in his own home.

00:25:14.860 And, of course, people have always been in favor of this.

00:25:17.180 This is just one from 2014.

00:25:20.780 Oh, no.

00:25:21.060 We want to extend the basher burglar law.

00:25:23.640 The majority of the public support changing the law to allow people to use whatever force they see fit to defend themselves.

00:25:29.120 And their homes against intruders.

00:25:30.920 And most say that causing death is acceptable.

00:25:33.400 Yes.

00:25:34.140 Don't break into my fucking house.

00:25:36.000 Because if you break into my house, you deserve it.

00:25:39.380 60%.

00:25:39.820 It's quite different from the Cameronite hugger hoodie, isn't it?

00:25:43.180 Very much so.

00:25:43.520 Asher burglar.

00:25:44.600 Asher burglar should be one of our slogans.

00:25:47.140 Break into my house and you get what you deserve.

00:25:49.980 And then, of course, the death penalty is another one of those points.

00:25:54.800 Weirdly, the millennials are most in favor of it.

00:25:56.820 And was this?

00:25:57.680 This was not very long ago at all.

00:25:59.680 Last year.

00:26:02.900 58%.

00:26:03.300 Yeah, 58% of millennials.

00:26:04.540 But overall, there have been lots of different polls of this.

00:26:07.600 It's about 50% of people who just, when you ask, just, yes, I'd like the death penalty back.

00:26:11.200 We're the only party offering that, by the way.

00:26:12.620 I know.

00:26:13.180 And Rupert Lowe's the only MP in Parliament since about the 1960s who even agreed with it.

00:26:18.880 Too much screeching, by the way.

00:26:20.220 I know.

00:26:20.820 When Starmer that question.

00:26:21.480 I know.

00:26:22.080 My goodness.

00:26:22.720 And Starmer, of course, anti-death penalty campaigner for free in his spare time.

00:26:27.980 Against paedophiles.

00:26:28.780 It's worth mentioning as well that we're talking about the values gap.

00:26:31.560 This has obviously been in existence for a long time, beginning in the 60s, I suppose,

00:26:35.500 which is when the death penalty was abolished.

00:26:36.940 And it was abolished, not by a government promising to abolish it in advance of an election.

00:26:41.080 It was abolished by Roy Jenkins.

00:26:44.040 Well, Roy Jenkins was Home Secretary, but it was through a private member's bill.

00:26:47.860 It was not mentioned in any manifesto.

00:26:49.320 It was very much a matter of a kind of small cadre of people treating their own...

00:26:55.280 Small cadre of communists.

00:26:56.220 Well, indeed.

00:26:56.800 Treating their own luxury beliefs as sort of the settled view of the British people.

00:26:59.940 And it just hasn't been reversed since because conservatives haven't had the courage to do so.

00:27:03.280 Correct.

00:27:03.680 I mean, personally, I love...

00:27:06.260 I mean, again, this is from November 2025.

00:27:08.200 I love the British public sometimes.

00:27:09.960 You know, 17% are in favour of bringing back flogging.

00:27:12.820 I'm one of those 17%.

00:27:14.300 And a minority of 21% are like, bring back the stocks.

00:27:18.120 But again, just, you know, 50% when asked neutrally, do you support bringing back capital punishment?

00:27:22.960 Now, as everyone knows with polling, if you change the question, you change the results.

00:27:27.380 And so we say, well, what about for terrorists?

00:27:28.760 It goes up to like 60%.

00:27:30.120 What about child murderers?

00:27:32.020 65%.

00:27:32.420 Everyone agrees.

00:27:34.700 Why are these people still here as in on this mortal plane?

00:27:37.860 Like, these people need to be dealt with.

00:27:41.100 And there's just no real debate about that.

00:27:42.980 So the point that I'm making here is that actually, basically, everything Restore Britain has put out

00:27:47.860 has just been a reflection of the unserved desires of the British electorate.

00:27:52.280 Yeah, the 60% of people who didn't vote at the last election.

00:27:55.120 Oh, 40%.

00:27:55.840 It was 40%.

00:27:56.340 It wasn't 60%.

00:27:56.840 60% who did vote.

00:27:57.760 Sorry.

00:27:58.120 But that's still a massive, massive percentage of people who've just given up

00:28:01.640 because they're not seeing their values represented.

00:28:03.160 They're not going to get what they want.

00:28:04.420 I'm surprised to see Lord Glassman come out in favour of the return of the stocks.

00:28:09.660 I'm not.

00:28:10.400 Glassman's based.

00:28:11.140 Really?

00:28:11.340 Oh, yeah.

00:28:11.940 He's one of the few blue labour types left in existence who's just like,

00:28:15.940 why aren't we flogging these people?

00:28:17.540 Oh, my God.

00:28:18.080 It's like, that's a great question.

00:28:21.080 The thing is, Lord Glassman actually represents, on almost all of the issues,

00:28:24.640 the majority British popular opinion.

00:28:27.320 Yes.

00:28:27.780 He's not a communist, but he's not a free market radical.

00:28:31.300 And he's socially conservative and wants to see severe law and order and discipline.

00:28:36.080 He honestly is very representative of what the average Britain actually wants.

00:28:40.180 I mean, don't quote me on this, but I do believe he's quite pro-Shabana Mahmood at the minute.

00:28:45.640 All right.

00:28:45.960 To be fair, she's one of the most hardcore Home Secretaries we've had in a long time.

00:28:50.380 Like, you know, as much as I don't like Labour or Shabana Mahmood either,

00:28:53.780 a lot of the stuff she's done has been pretty solid.

00:28:57.040 You can't argue with it.

00:28:57.940 But anyway, so what do you chaps think of all that?

00:29:02.360 That seems a fairly reasonable assessment.

00:29:04.320 Yeah.

00:29:04.560 I mean, it's obvious that the British public have not been served by the political class

00:29:08.260 for as long as I've been alive, certainly.

00:29:10.440 And for some reason, there is this consensus in Westminster within the M25

00:29:14.960 about what is moral and what is not.

00:29:17.340 And I think really one of the main reasons that we decided to turn Restore Britain

00:29:21.340 into a political party, having been launched as a movement and pressure group,

00:29:25.380 is simply because the vehicle, the sort of natural vehicle for these sorts of ideas,

00:29:30.480 Reform UK, was drifting basically to where the rest of the politicians have drifted to on these issues.

00:29:37.140 And so if reform is not going to be the vehicle for these ideas,

00:29:40.100 then the British public need something else.

00:29:42.180 And that's the gap we intend to fill.

00:29:44.020 And it's clearly the gap that you are filling.

00:29:46.240 I mean, Rupert Lowe, basically, on almost all of these issues,

00:29:48.660 is just basically where all voters are.

00:29:50.880 Yeah.

00:29:51.280 It's to the right of all voters.

00:29:53.000 Well, it's to the right of all MPs.

00:29:54.660 Yeah.

00:29:54.920 Anyway, we'll move on to the next point.

00:29:57.020 Because, so, the announcement and the rise of the Restore party has been very interesting.

00:30:04.620 Let's go to the next one, Samson.

00:30:05.520 It's been very interesting, because there has been an illegitimate squatter on the chair of the right-wing seat,

00:30:17.180 claiming to be the king of the right, without actually being very right-wing himself.

00:30:23.540 So, before we go on, how has the response to the launch of Restore been from the back end,

00:30:29.820 from the people on the receiving end?

00:30:31.920 Overwhelming.

00:30:32.660 Yeah, it's pretty overwhelming.

00:30:33.660 Overwhelming support.

00:30:34.940 Overwhelming.

00:30:35.400 I mean, you know, some people, very vanishing few, who wants to cancel their memberships.

00:30:40.800 But, I mean, in the dozens, compared to an inbox in the thousands.

00:30:45.880 Yeah.

00:30:46.280 I think our inbox yesterday was sitting at around 6,500.

00:30:50.000 Yeah.

00:30:50.340 Having various staff members going through it all day, for multiple days.

00:30:55.280 No, I mean, our memberships...

00:30:56.460 I understand you're past 60,000 members.

00:30:58.180 Yeah, well, I was just going to say, so our memberships are past 60,000.

00:31:00.640 I think that was either yesterday or the day before.

00:31:02.520 And it's continuing to climb.

00:31:04.380 I mean, I think that we're probably going to hit 100K.

00:31:07.220 I think that is doable.

00:31:08.240 I think it's completely doable.

00:31:09.360 Very, very doable.

00:31:10.020 And beyond.

00:31:10.600 But no, I mean, the response has been overwhelming.

00:31:12.940 And in terms of, I think, personally, for the three of us, the support has been just unbelievable.

00:31:17.980 And it's very heartening.

00:31:19.620 Because it shows you there is an appetite for what we're offering out there.

00:31:22.360 A great many people who are underserved by the current political establishment.

00:31:26.240 And again, particularly reform.

00:31:28.120 It's like primarily from reform that a lot of our new members, and indeed new councillors, are coming.

00:31:34.140 And not just people, and also people who are just completely checked out of the political system entirely.

00:31:39.040 Which is obviously a demographic that polls struggle to get a handle on.

00:31:45.460 On that point, by the way, there is something important to say here.

00:31:47.400 Because one of the main criticisms levelled at us, obviously, is you're going to split the vote.

00:31:51.260 And what I would say to that is...

00:31:53.060 We're taking them.

00:31:53.820 Yeah, one, you know, who are we splitting the vote from?

00:31:57.540 In our view, we're splitting the vote from the establishment.

00:32:00.380 Whether that's Labour or the Tories or reform.

00:32:02.740 They're all essentially different shades of the same entity.

00:32:05.780 Which is what people reform themselves, in fact, call the uni party.

00:32:09.060 So if we're splitting votes away from then, good.

00:32:11.240 I mean, they are the source of all the problems in this country.

00:32:14.020 But more to the point, if you look at the poll that was done, which placed Restore Britain on 10% in the polls a couple of days after we launched.

00:32:20.720 You will see that a great many people who polled for us were people that didn't vote in 2024.

00:32:27.560 And so, in fact, the idea that we're splitting anything is just false.

00:32:30.580 It's recovering lost voters is the main issue.

00:32:34.340 But ultimately, I don't really think that they have thought through that attack line either.

00:32:39.380 Because, I mean, A, it's the attack line the Conservatives used against Nigel Farage when he launched the result.

00:32:44.140 You're splitting the vote. You're going to give us Labour government.

00:32:45.700 Which actually is what happened.

00:32:47.560 But Nigel then just making the same argument against you.

00:32:50.180 It's like, yeah, but look where you are after going through the process.

00:32:54.080 Why should we think that this wouldn't be the same for Restore?

00:32:57.580 But moreover, I don't want to swear, but get effed.

00:33:02.080 Like, don't care.

00:33:03.860 You're not entitled to the Britain.

00:33:05.080 They're not your votes.

00:33:06.360 Well, notice what they haven't said.

00:33:08.000 Here's why we are better than Restore Britain.

00:33:09.720 Yes.

00:33:10.060 Yeah, exactly.

00:33:11.440 Here's why you should vote for us instead.

00:33:13.000 And so, anyway, there was this clip that went around initially of Nigel responding to a journalist.

00:33:18.200 What do you think of Restore?

00:33:20.200 I mean, I don't know.

00:33:20.720 Can I just say one thing?

00:33:21.800 He's not Nigel.

00:33:22.700 He's Farage.

00:33:23.660 I guess.

00:33:24.000 Are you, mate?

00:33:24.460 I guess, yeah.

00:33:25.880 Hi, Nigel.

00:33:27.080 So, Rupert makes out of his new party, Restore.

00:33:29.640 And since setting it up, there's been lots of Twitter accounts associated with the party

00:33:35.660 that have shown racism and anti-Semitism.

00:33:38.380 Do you think Restore are a racist party?

00:33:40.300 I have absolutely no idea.

00:33:41.520 There are no interest in anything.

00:33:43.220 That's literally...

00:33:44.340 I don't want to talk about this.

00:33:46.200 Of course you don't want to talk about this.

00:33:48.140 But the problem is, this, of course, hasn't gone away.

00:33:51.320 And so he was forced to address it at his press conference the other day,

00:33:54.780 announcing his shadow cabinet.

00:33:56.280 Full of Tories.

00:33:57.440 Yeah, full of Tories, yes.

00:33:58.920 And what was really interesting about this is just how he fumbled the ball.

00:34:03.860 Do we need to watch this again?

00:34:04.940 I'm sure we've all seen him, right?

00:34:06.020 Up to you.

00:34:06.360 Count it up to you.

00:34:07.000 We'll watch it.

00:34:09.180 Moving on to Rhiannon of centre-right politics in this country.

00:34:13.400 It's called reform.

00:34:14.540 And as I'd mentioned earlier, people think, oh, Farage has done it.

00:34:18.140 We'll just set a party up.

00:34:19.240 It'll be marvellous.

00:34:20.180 We'll sweep the next election.

00:34:21.660 It just isn't as easy as that.

00:34:23.960 Now, does he have a profile on X?

00:34:25.200 Yes, he does.

00:34:26.240 Is Elon going to support him?

00:34:27.760 Probably.

00:34:28.920 But you see, when he stood up and said that we've got to consider the mass deportation

00:34:36.640 of entire communities, including those born in the United Kingdom, that just moves way

00:34:43.780 beyond a point of reasonableness, of decency, of morality.

00:34:49.560 And that was the moment at which, you know, I realised we just had to get rid of him and

00:34:53.840 get rid of him as quickly as we could.

00:34:55.640 And I think in terms of the way we dealt with that, we were probably more brutal than the

00:35:00.020 other parties.

00:35:00.780 But you know what?

00:35:01.780 That's the way it's going to be.

00:35:02.680 It's a very Westminster bubble kind of language, that.

00:35:07.100 It's a lot to unpack in that one.

00:35:08.380 Morality, yeah.

00:35:09.460 But what's interesting is, okay, is it decent and moral to frame him or allege a crime that

00:35:14.440 he didn't commit, try and get him sent to jail in order to politically destroy his career?

00:35:19.440 Police turning up at his house, armed police turning up at his house at half past nine

00:35:22.400 at night.

00:35:22.780 Yeah.

00:35:23.100 I mean, there would have been nothing wrong.

00:35:25.580 No one would have actually objected it.

00:35:27.320 If Nigel had come out and said, well, I didn't approve that.

00:35:30.060 I thought that was beyond the pale.

00:35:31.060 So we've expelled Rupert Lowe from the party.

00:35:33.060 We've removed the whip from him.

00:35:34.220 He's no longer a member of our party.

00:35:35.900 And, you know, may he have a long and prosperous life or whatever.

00:35:39.400 That would have been reasonable.

00:35:40.300 Also, a slight correction.

00:35:41.060 He said that Rupert Lowe's crime was considering doing that.

00:35:45.640 I think our policy is that we would definitely do that.

00:35:47.520 It's not a matter of deliberation so much as resolve.

00:35:51.620 As we reaffirmed yesterday in a clip that was viewed by Asmongold, of all people,

00:35:55.960 yeah, it's absolutely the case that we would deport entire communities.

00:35:58.900 Because in the aftermath of our rape gang inquiry, it has become abundantly clear that

00:36:02.960 the rape gangs, which for those not in the know somehow, is the industrial scale trafficking,

00:36:08.220 rape, physical violence, violence and torture against predominantly white female children

00:36:15.660 in this country, English girls, many of them living in care, but many of them not.

00:36:19.280 Many of them from normal families who just got caught up in this sort of thing.

00:36:22.580 It's obvious that this was an open secret among these communities.

00:36:26.240 Again, primarily the Pakistani Muslim.

00:36:27.440 I don't even know if you'd call it a secret.

00:36:28.120 I mean, the number of people.

00:36:30.340 It's just open.

00:36:31.040 Yeah, it's just open.

00:36:31.900 The clan behavior where cousins, brothers, neighbors would come and all victimize the

00:36:38.980 same girl over and over and over.

00:36:41.600 Honestly, I mean, the way they were being selected from the care homes sounded like a

00:36:45.180 slave market.

00:36:45.840 It's unbelievable.

00:36:46.200 I mean, and that was in the testimony of various survivors, by the way.

00:36:50.820 And the wives and daughters knew.

00:36:52.180 In fact, there's articles showing that the wives are saying, well, English girls are dirty,

00:36:55.140 they're filthy, they deserve it.

00:36:56.440 And it's like, sorry, this is a community that is riddled with child rapists.

00:37:02.720 They just need to go.

00:37:03.520 They need to leave our country.

00:37:04.460 It's as simple as that.

00:37:04.940 Thousands of them who are currently unaccounted for, right?

00:37:08.000 We know that the girls were raped hundreds of times each, but you've got the ringleader,

00:37:12.620 the guy who was pimping her to whoever, but you don't know who all of the customers were.

00:37:16.840 And she was 12, 13, whatever it is.

00:37:18.700 Can I just say, by the way, it's really important you've used that word customers there, because

00:37:21.300 I think something that a lot of viewers may not understand, and that I didn't understand

00:37:24.940 before the inquiry, I just sort of assumed that this was just degenerate weirdos who enjoyed

00:37:30.520 this sort of thing.

00:37:31.040 It's a money business, and it's entirely enmeshed within other criminal enterprises,

00:37:36.440 including arms dealing, drug dealing, and all sorts of other horrible things.

00:37:41.560 So there was money changing hands when these crimes were going on.

00:37:45.560 And so what you have to ask is, do you agree with Farage that you don't want the people

00:37:49.040 who were aware of these crimes and covered up for them in many cases remaining in our

00:37:53.100 country?

00:37:53.480 I mean, our position is absolutely not.

00:37:54.900 We don't want these people here ever again.

00:37:56.780 Farage, not only is he drawing a red line in the sand to say, mass deportation, I mean,

00:38:00.360 he's said this before, but mass deportations is not happening under reform.

00:38:04.300 I'm standing in the way of justice for the grooming gang victims.

00:38:07.220 There are tens of thousands of men who are currently in this country who have raped children

00:38:11.260 who are just wandering around at liberty.

00:38:13.620 That's not acceptable.

00:38:14.780 How can we tolerate that?

00:38:15.960 It's just worth asking.

00:38:16.780 You learn a lot about a person's political outlook and moral priorities by asking what

00:38:21.420 their red lines are.

00:38:22.940 We've discovered what one of Farage's red lines are, and I would venture to suggest,

00:38:27.540 as I think we all would, that it's a very bad one.

00:38:30.320 But think about what some of his red lines aren't.

00:38:33.720 Vaccine mandates, Nadiem Zahawi, like shipping Afghans without the knowledge of the British

00:38:38.120 people into rural England.

00:38:40.080 That's not a red line.

00:38:41.000 Boris Wave itself.

00:38:42.100 Boris Wave itself.

00:38:42.640 Oh, the Online Safety Act, clamping down on the freedoms of Englishmen.

00:38:48.700 These are not red lines, but wanting to deport people who either took part in or were complicit

00:38:54.440 in the mass industrial rape, torture, and on occasion, even murder and slaughter of defenceless

00:39:01.460 white British girls.

00:39:02.640 That's not a red line.

00:39:03.820 It's interesting.

00:39:04.720 Telling.

00:39:05.700 Absolutely insane.

00:39:07.520 So, Farage, when asked, I mean, don't get me wrong, Rupert Lowe just came out and doubled

00:39:12.600 down on all of this.

00:39:13.880 Yes, if the communities of foreign nationals knew their husbands, cousins or brothers were

00:39:17.780 industrially raping white girls and did nothing, they should be deported.

00:39:21.100 I mean, frankly, I would love to see some polling done on that.

00:39:23.760 I bet the average person.

00:39:25.420 We did some polling last year.

00:39:27.400 I can't remember the numbers off the top of my head.

00:39:28.880 In fact, why don't I find them?

00:39:30.160 Keep talking.

00:39:30.680 But it's obviously going to be a popular opinion.

00:39:34.440 People are obviously against this.

00:39:36.160 And coming out on the other side of it is a very strange thing.

00:39:39.100 But it's putting Rupert in a very almost Trumpian position where it's him and then everyone

00:39:44.480 else against him.

00:39:45.560 I mean, how is Nigel Farage's opinion there different to Zach Polanski's?

00:39:49.300 How is it substantively different to Keir Starmer's?

00:39:51.840 It's exactly the same opinion.

00:39:53.400 And only Rupert Lowe is on the right of this issue.

00:39:56.060 So, okay, wonderful.

00:39:56.780 That's strategically a brilliant place for Rupert to be, because he actually means it.

00:40:02.080 You can get a sense of what Farage is actually like.

00:40:11.700 And I'd like to bring up this story briefly.

00:40:13.960 I met Farage for the first time at a Reason conference several years ago.

00:40:19.080 And this was when I was a big fan of Nigel.

00:40:20.800 This was before he joined Reform.

00:40:22.740 And someone said to me, would you like to meet him?

00:40:27.300 And I said, absolutely, I'd love to.

00:40:29.580 So after he finished his speech at the conference, we followed him out, went out the back.

00:40:34.940 He was lighting up a cigarette.

00:40:36.240 And they introduced me and said, oh, this is Lewis, X, Y, and Z.

00:40:39.280 I shook his hand.

00:40:40.380 And I said, just wanted to say, massive fan of your work, like what you've done for Brexit.

00:40:47.020 You know, it's fantastic.

00:40:49.620 So I just wanted to say to you personally, thank you very much.

00:40:53.060 And his response was, you should get out more.

00:40:56.260 And so that made me embarrassed.

00:40:59.360 He looked away and everyone laughed and I felt isolated.

00:41:04.340 I'm sure this will get clipped, but how's this for getting out more?

00:41:07.400 So I will just say, why would you respond to anyone like that?

00:41:12.660 You would just be like, thanks very much.

00:41:13.940 I was an admirer of his for quite a while.

00:41:16.860 Well, yeah, I can imagine that.

00:41:18.040 You know.

00:41:19.280 Little did he know the world historical significance of that evening.

00:41:24.700 That's a joke many people are getting.

00:41:26.320 So yeah, the majority of the public support deporting foreign nationals who knew about a family member's involvement in organised child sexual exploitation, but failed to report it.

00:41:34.640 So this is a majority position.

00:41:35.980 Of course it is.

00:41:36.540 Of course it is.

00:41:38.540 And so anyway, Nigel Farage has made a prediction.

00:41:42.980 Won't be on 1% even in Great Yarmouth.

00:41:46.000 Bold statement.

00:41:47.260 So Great Yarmouth First, which is our local party in Yarmouth, is currently polling on 44%.

00:41:52.180 Yes.

00:41:53.200 So.

00:41:55.000 Bit of a mistake there.

00:41:56.240 But I can't help but notice that the recent polls that have come out about reform have been down by like two or three points.

00:42:02.780 And that's within a couple of days.

00:42:04.280 So if I were Farage, I mean, one of them had him on 28 and the other on 24, only five points ahead of Labour.

00:42:11.580 And so if you think you're the insurgent right-wing party and you're going to take over, don't you need a bit more punch at the polls there, Nigel?

00:42:17.860 So anyway, Farage doesn't think this is going anywhere.

00:42:21.820 And so let's talk about the responses from reform surrogates.

00:42:28.200 Because this is where it really gets interesting for the sort of commentary at.

00:42:32.220 Because, I mean, they think it's fine.

00:42:34.280 They think it's fine.

00:42:35.320 It's only Nigel's mistress and Richard Tice's mistress having a discussion on TV.

00:42:40.900 Unbiased coverage.

00:42:42.020 Unbiased coverage about how this is fine.

00:42:44.560 Restore Britain entering the political line.

00:42:45.860 Should we watch it?

00:42:46.880 Let's go for it.

00:42:48.000 When people look at Reform UK and then all of a sudden where it's in the polling, it took Nigel Farage to build up his own personal profile.

00:42:57.200 Two decades of constant hard work and slaughter.

00:43:00.620 And people who live on social media think that Rupert Lowe is already at that level.

00:43:05.500 I just don't think he is.

00:43:06.540 I think if you went out there in the street and said to people, what do you think of Rupert Lowe?

00:43:10.980 They'd say, who?

00:43:12.460 That isn't being disparaging about him.

00:43:14.420 That is just the reality of the situation.

00:43:16.180 Most people aren't sitting there on their X timelines 24-7.

00:43:19.860 But I don't really understand what the motivation is for this.

00:43:23.740 What I want to know is what policies are dramatically different to reform policies.

00:43:29.020 You know, other than he talks about re-migration all the time.

00:43:31.660 Re-migration.

00:43:32.500 How?

00:43:33.340 Who?

00:43:34.080 How many?

00:43:34.980 By what device?

00:43:35.800 What is the actual policy?

00:43:37.320 What is the law that you're going to be using to enable this?

00:43:40.000 How is that going to actually be performed?

00:43:43.960 But one thing that does alarm me is...

00:43:46.440 She waffles on, but you get...

00:43:48.400 Yeah, can I say a couple of things?

00:43:49.520 Please.

00:43:51.800 It's a very, very flat-footed understanding of how these things work.

00:43:54.480 Most people do not...

00:43:55.640 I think I posted on Twitter yesterday something along the lines of,

00:43:59.160 British politics is not an interminable episode of I'm a Celebrity.

00:44:02.880 Most politicians, including future prime ministers,

00:44:06.120 are not famous prior to politics, and then finally they can make their bid.

00:44:10.420 There are people like Trump who obviously are the exception to that general rule,

00:44:14.920 but most people become...

00:44:16.180 Most major politicians become known through their engagement with politics,

00:44:20.200 and I see no reason why it has to be different in the case of Rupert Lowe.

00:44:23.000 Obviously, his profile is lower than Farage's.

00:44:25.060 Farage has been on the scene for 20 years, and he's an I'm a Celebrity.

00:44:28.240 He was an I'm a Celebrity, but it is also the case that that is a double-edged sword popular.

00:44:32.840 Oh, yes.

00:44:33.280 I was going to say, most people in the street...

00:44:34.220 You're going to make that point?

00:44:35.100 When she says, who's Rupert Lowe?

00:44:37.280 I don't know.

00:44:38.040 Well, who's Nigel Farage?

00:44:38.820 Oh, I hate him.

00:44:39.480 Exactly.

00:44:39.740 Two-thirds of the popular...

00:44:40.420 Yes, so if you're widely known, you incite tremendous adoration, but you can also incite tremendous contempt.

00:44:46.820 And Rupert Lowe...

00:44:47.560 So in many ways, it is actually an advantage not to have too much...

00:44:50.700 Not having your reputation preceding you all the time, and people can just assess you on the basis of your policies,

00:44:55.660 what you're saying, your demeanor, your character, and all of those, as far as I'm concerned, ticked boxes.

00:45:00.140 How many people on the street do you think knew who Keir Starmer was?

00:45:02.580 Exactly.

00:45:02.980 Exactly.

00:45:03.640 He was DPP.

00:45:04.260 Or Gordon Brown.

00:45:05.380 Yeah, or Tony Blair.

00:45:06.420 Tony Blair.

00:45:07.040 And he was an advantage because their view on him was zero.

00:45:10.420 Now, it's tremendously negative.

00:45:13.800 So yeah, they think everything's going to be fine, and I'm sorry, I just don't think that it is.

00:45:17.880 And I think that what we've seen is a lot of psychological pressure that has been brought to bear on reform.

00:45:24.080 This screencap from the young Bob debate seems to pretty much summarise it.

00:45:32.720 We'll come back to this in a minute.

00:45:34.180 You've not seen it.

00:45:34.620 I've not seen this, no.

00:45:35.320 It's good.

00:45:36.240 Well, I can tell.

00:45:36.780 I know that.

00:45:37.200 I mean, I've seen this kind of response from the few reform surrogates that exist.

00:45:44.380 Gwaine Towler has been under tremendous pressure.

00:45:48.300 He posted the other day, I'm not going to say anything about that.

00:45:51.080 He posted yesterday about how he'd done an event in Maidstone.

00:45:54.480 It was a rough night, apparently, because, of course, there has been a long detachment from the reform top brass and the reform members and local branches.

00:46:04.200 Well, and more to the point, we've just had seven councillors, county councillors in Kent, come over to our party, many of whom were in Maidstone.

00:46:10.520 We'll get to those in a minute.

00:46:11.420 So, there's been this sort of general atmosphere.

00:46:14.660 I mean, have you guys been seeing this or is it just me?

00:46:17.000 This, or the atmosphere.

00:46:18.440 Not the atmosphere.

00:46:19.440 This just being a...

00:46:20.300 Oh, they're bricking.

00:46:20.740 Oh, yeah.

00:46:21.260 They're absolutely terrified.

00:46:21.980 They're terrified.

00:46:22.420 I don't know if you've got this in this segment.

00:46:25.040 I actually do have it in the next one.

00:46:26.040 The fact that Reform slash GB News commissioned a poll to show just how unpopular Rupert Lowe is.

00:46:31.860 If he's so unpopular, if we're so irrelevant, ignore us.

00:46:35.140 Yeah.

00:46:35.420 If we're not, you know, if we're so much, you know, so not a threat...

00:46:38.560 It reminds me...

00:46:39.500 And also, the hypocrisy nudging for us saying, well, that was a push poll, so, you know, you got 10% because you commissioned the poll.

00:46:45.380 Well, you commissioned the 8% poll.

00:46:47.000 It reminds me of a particular someone who uses terms like very online right and then says, why don't you subscribe to my Substack, actually?

00:46:55.580 Whilst it's growing Substack in the UK.

00:46:58.360 Well, what I find really interesting about that is the idea that online people somehow don't vote.

00:47:02.740 Sorry, what...

00:47:03.700 Or don't have families and friends that they talk to about these things.

00:47:05.600 And also, I think what an academic agent said the other day, like, what do you think people online are?

00:47:09.320 They're just normal people with computers.

00:47:11.860 Exactly.

00:47:12.480 Often tweeting when they're bored, you know.

00:47:14.760 And again, they're often the most engaged and knowledgeable as well.

00:47:17.380 And it's not nothing to have those people batting for you.

00:47:19.820 Well, this has been a massive problem.

00:47:22.560 And this is why I think, essentially, the atmosphere in Reform at the moment is the atmosphere of one being under siege.

00:47:28.200 But not just being under siege from any old army, being under siege by, like, the Assyrians or something, right?

00:47:34.880 Because, essentially, if Reform are actually outmaneuvered and sort of outbid by Restore, that's the end of all of them.

00:47:45.420 There's not going to be a concord made.

00:47:47.440 There's not going to be a peace treaty.

00:47:49.320 They're going to lose everything.

00:47:50.540 And by the way, this is partly a function of the fact that Reform, despite the use of this word by people within the party, Reform is not a meritocracy.

00:47:59.440 Like, you don't ascend in Reform on the basis of your abilities.

00:48:04.280 You ascend on the basis of how hard you suck up to the people in positions of authority.

00:48:09.360 And so, you know, people like...

00:48:10.800 It's like the boys.

00:48:11.500 It's like the boys when Starlight is first brought in.

00:48:14.140 I haven't seen the show.

00:48:14.940 Oh, it's awful.

00:48:16.260 But that's the atmosphere that's going to be...

00:48:18.220 And so, you know, if Reform don't win the next election, for example, a lot of these people are going to be out on their backsides.

00:48:24.060 Because they've been promised a job.

00:48:25.100 They've been promised a safe seat or whatever else.

00:48:27.400 Completely.

00:48:27.900 And so, there's very much already, after only, what, five days now, a bunker mentality within Reform.

00:48:33.960 And that was really quick.

00:48:36.300 Like, that normally takes a long time for that kind of pressure to build.

00:48:39.820 And I see it everywhere.

00:48:40.840 Just, I mean, like, there have been, like, call-in shows and all this sort of thing, where you can see that they are...

00:48:46.840 Because the problem that Reform have is they actually have very few actual surrogates in the media, right?

00:48:51.420 They have a very narrow constituency of people who they have allowed to come into the fold.

00:48:56.780 And they've kept everyone else out.

00:48:59.000 And what's happened is...

00:48:59.960 Like us, by the way.

00:49:00.740 Like us.

00:49:01.320 I mean, we were trying to sort of, you know, do work for them.

00:49:03.220 And saying, like, use us.

00:49:04.400 You know, we have media profiles.

00:49:05.500 Both of my guys.

00:49:06.040 Two years ago.

00:49:06.880 Yeah.

00:49:07.000 Like, Dan and Bo got deselected as candidates for Reform a couple of years ago.

00:49:12.640 And then you think the Tommy Robinson issue that Nigel Farage has been having.

00:49:16.560 I mean, whether you like him or not, Tommy is a massively influential figure.

00:49:19.660 Millions of fans, working-class fans across the country that Reform are trying to court.

00:49:24.320 You've got, like, Katie Hopkins.

00:49:25.980 You've got Dan Witton.

00:49:27.020 All of these very high-profile, strong right-wing voices.

00:49:31.260 Nigel Farage has just been like, no, I don't want anything to do with any of you.

00:49:33.580 It's like, okay, but, Nigel, you've got to understand, right, these people on the sort

00:49:37.360 of, like, the battle map of British politics, these are, like, barons and dukes who have

00:49:43.580 significant armies of their own.

00:49:45.660 And you're like, yeah, but I've got my peasant levies that I've drawn up.

00:49:48.560 And it's like, okay, well, good luck with that.

00:49:50.700 And it was fine when you were basically just ignoring everyone.

00:49:53.920 But you haven't just been ignoring everyone.

00:49:55.380 You've been attacking everyone nonstop.

00:49:57.380 And now, you always assumed you had the right-wing vote.

00:50:01.180 You assumed that we had nowhere else to go.

00:50:03.580 And suddenly, oh, actually, we can do things for ourselves.

00:50:06.380 For those crying about the split-the-vote stuff, for those crying about us, you know, doing

00:50:11.120 very, very well in less than a week, it's reform to blame, actually.

00:50:16.260 We wouldn't have to exist.

00:50:17.100 We wouldn't have to exist because of them.

00:50:19.300 They've created us.

00:50:20.780 That's the point I'm making.

00:50:22.120 Why are all these people just left on the table?

00:50:24.040 Yeah.

00:50:24.360 Why, like, Donald Trump didn't do that.

00:50:25.800 Donald Trump went on Alex Jones.

00:50:27.280 Donald Trump went on every podcast he could.

00:50:29.120 He went on Joe Rogan.

00:50:30.120 He went everywhere.

00:50:30.720 However, Donald Trump created the biggest tent possible to make sure that he didn't have

00:50:34.160 anyone to his right outflanking him that could have come back and bitten him in the rear.

00:50:38.520 And that's what Farage is getting.

00:50:40.840 Farage has done this to himself.

00:50:43.020 It's all right, though.

00:50:43.460 You can do cameos.

00:50:44.640 Well, yeah.

00:50:45.240 I mean, you know, go on, big chungus.

00:50:48.140 It's so embarrassing.

00:50:49.440 It's so embarrassing.

00:50:50.520 I hate his cameos.

00:50:51.880 And he only makes, like, 16 grand a month, which, don't get me wrong, is a lot of money,

00:50:55.000 but not when you're Nigel Farage getting a million a year from his GB News contract.

00:50:58.960 It can never be bought.

00:51:01.520 But, like, I just can't stand it.

00:51:03.180 Nigel, you're making, what, you know, 50 grand a month or something?

00:51:05.420 You need those cameos, do you?

00:51:07.420 Like, God, it's embarrassing.

00:51:08.820 And the thing is, like, I mean, as much as reform will say, I think their line for the

00:51:12.540 foreseeable future will be that we're irrelevant and that we are not a threat to them and all

00:51:16.180 the rest of it.

00:51:17.200 I mean, just, you know, we've got three...

00:51:18.500 They're not acting like it.

00:51:19.240 Yeah.

00:51:19.460 Well, they're not, for one thing.

00:51:20.740 But we've got three years, most likely, until the next election, and there's a hell of a

00:51:24.100 lot that we can do in that time in terms of getting support at every level, like you

00:51:28.060 were saying.

00:51:28.500 Ground numbers, you know, people in the mainstream, probably not the mainstream media, but certainly

00:51:33.160 the alternative media, which commands a far larger audience than the mainstream media

00:51:36.440 anyway.

00:51:38.080 And I just don't know what they're going to do.

00:51:40.040 I mean, you know, maybe they will shift to the right, in which case I would say good.

00:51:43.200 But somehow I just don't think they will.

00:51:45.080 I think...

00:51:45.460 It will always seem insincere.

00:51:46.520 They've made their bed, yeah.

00:51:47.780 It will seem very insincere.

00:51:48.980 In fact, on that note, Samson, let's go on to the next one, because we'll talk about

00:51:51.700 how reformers just admitted that they're containment, right?

00:51:55.180 So the idea of pushing them to the right, they seem to have drawn hard lines.

00:51:58.480 Can you get the next one up, please, Samson?

00:52:00.480 They've drawn hard lines in that they're just not prepared to budge on certain things that

00:52:05.700 put them firmly within the Blairite paradigm.

00:52:07.940 I think that's where Restore really comes into its own, by saying, no, we're rebels against

00:52:14.920 the system.

00:52:15.880 We are not here to reform and tinker with Blairism.

00:52:18.980 We're here to destroy Blairism.

00:52:20.160 This is a key point, yeah.

00:52:21.340 And bring something back that Blairism itself ruined.

00:52:24.800 So this, yeah, this is key, because if you think about the two philosophies being offered

00:52:28.540 to the British people by the natural homes of conservative, patriotic-minded people, it

00:52:33.620 is to conserve and to reform.

00:52:35.800 Both of which fundamentally recognize the legitimacy of the system that currently exists.

00:52:40.520 And in my view, and I think in our view, you would have to be mental.

00:52:43.580 You'd have to be a madman to want to conserve this system.

00:52:46.520 And you'd have to be, I think, just fundamentally naive to think that it can be reformed in

00:52:50.960 any meaningful way.

00:52:52.000 What a road to destruction.

00:52:53.080 Yeah.

00:52:53.260 But we're on the road.

00:52:54.060 We've got to keep going.

00:52:54.840 And so our position is revolution.

00:52:56.940 Our position is tear down this system and restore, you know, what came before, restore

00:53:01.260 Britain.

00:53:02.240 Correct.

00:53:02.600 And that seems to be the best way.

00:53:04.040 So, I mean, like, this happened just this morning.

00:53:07.260 Apparently, just a quick thing as well.

00:53:09.940 Why is Robert Jenrick the shadow chancellor?

00:53:11.940 I realize that's the second most important position.

00:53:13.540 I think I can tell you why.

00:53:14.320 So, it must be that Farage is essentially gifting...

00:53:16.700 Yeah.

00:53:17.180 That will have been the terms upon which he entered the party.

00:53:19.540 But that's...

00:53:20.380 But Jenrick...

00:53:21.400 I mean, we're getting them for experience.

00:53:23.360 Well, Jenrick has no experience in economics.

00:53:25.800 He's a lawyer.

00:53:26.560 And he's never been the shadow chancellor.

00:53:28.140 He was the immigration minister.

00:53:29.880 What is he doing there?

00:53:31.540 Like, where's Nadeem Zahawi?

00:53:32.680 I thought that's why he was being brought in.

00:53:34.060 So, we've just got the vaccine guy who, for no reason...

00:53:37.520 Whatever.

00:53:38.000 Or Richard Tice.

00:53:38.700 I mean, Richard Tice actually has a background that he can...

00:53:40.600 In business.

00:53:41.580 Yeah, exactly.

00:53:42.420 So, yeah, exactly.

00:53:43.740 I mean, he's at least the business secretary.

00:53:45.320 But, like, again, it's just really weird.

00:53:48.260 And with the home secretary, it's like, sorry, Zia Yusuf, why not Swell Braverman, who was

00:53:52.440 the home secretary?

00:53:53.700 Because I thought you wanted experience.

00:53:55.900 Zia Yusuf's not even an MP.

00:53:57.260 He's not even an MP.

00:53:57.620 And there were three MPs.

00:53:58.540 Was it three or four MPs still sitting on the bench without a brief?

00:54:01.360 Yeah, yeah.

00:54:01.580 Where's Lee Henderson?

00:54:02.400 Where's Lee Zahawi?

00:54:03.260 He's eating common sense fish and chips, mate.

00:54:07.840 But he's...

00:54:09.360 Honestly, this is such a gift to restore.

00:54:13.560 This is such a gift.

00:54:15.380 I'd also like to know where the OBR's fiscal discipline was in the years 2020, 2021, 2022.

00:54:21.560 If it was established, as Jenrick's here saying, it was established by George Osborne, I think

00:54:27.180 in 2013, in order to instill fiscal discipline, then it hasn't succeeded in doing that in the

00:54:31.700 least.

00:54:31.960 And another quick thing, be very suspicious, just as I'm sure we'll get to this later, just

00:54:36.620 as we should be suspicious of the way in which the word racist and the way in which xenophobic

00:54:40.820 and bigoted is used.

00:54:41.800 Also be very, very suspicious about the way in which the term independence is used in a

00:54:46.140 political context.

00:54:46.860 One of the strokes of genius, just to give the devil his due for a moment, of Blairism is

00:54:50.960 that obviously Blair was very hostile to the British demos because he didn't trust them

00:54:55.600 to make the sort of decisions that he thought needed to be made in the interest of Britain.

00:54:59.340 And so as a way of preventing the demos from being able to get their way, he rebranded

00:55:06.500 unaccountability as independence.

00:55:09.040 And so whenever you see the word independence said by a Blairite party, and I'm afraid that

00:55:13.080 does now include Reform UK, substitute unaccountable for independent and it will make a hell of

00:55:18.680 a lot more sense.

00:55:19.320 And that's literally the point of it as well.

00:55:23.300 I mean, one of his first acts was to take the Bank of England out from under the Treasury.

00:55:26.980 It's like, okay, well, that's great, but I can at least have some influence on who is

00:55:30.800 in the government and therefore who is the Chancellor of this.

00:55:34.280 What can I do about the Bank of England now?

00:55:36.100 And as Liz Truss has been banging this drum, and I think correctly so, oh, the Bank of England

00:55:40.260 is a law unto itself.

00:55:41.940 And this, so for anyone who doesn't know the Office of Budget Responsibility, as you

00:55:45.120 said, it's a Blairite organ that was created by the Cameronites.

00:55:48.400 And the Bank of England's independence or lack of accountability goes back to the very

00:55:54.920 late 90s with the very beginning of Tony Blair.

00:55:56.980 And so, Jemrich is, he will say in his speech today, the OBR is far from perfect, but the

00:56:02.080 impetus for its creation was a desire to instill fiscal discipline, and that is something

00:56:05.940 we wholeheartedly endorse.

00:56:07.520 Rather than abolish it, we will reform it.

00:56:09.500 Again, perfectly put, Robert, Jemrich, because you are exactly right.

00:56:15.320 No, you agree with Blairism, you just want it to work better.

00:56:19.260 Yeah, he believes in the OBR.

00:56:20.520 He just thinks it's being run badly.

00:56:21.660 It's the same with, like, Ofcom and all of these other, like, you know, quango-type

00:56:25.380 organizations.

00:56:26.560 Yeah.

00:56:26.660 Unaccountable quangoes.

00:56:28.220 Like, these are going to be maintained by reform.

00:56:32.540 Yeah.

00:56:32.760 I mean, how has the OBR done ensuring fiscal discipline if that is its nominal purpose?

00:56:36.480 And how has the Bank of England done guarding monetary stability?

00:56:39.560 Not very well at all.

00:56:40.380 Yeah.

00:56:40.580 I mean...

00:56:40.760 And just, you know, like, trying to institute a diversity opinion on these quangos is not

00:56:46.380 going to be sufficient, and they need to be brought back within direct political ministerial

00:56:50.460 control.

00:56:51.400 The whole premise of Blairism was to try and make sure that as little of that obtained

00:56:55.160 as possible, and it's not just OBR and the Bank of England.

00:56:57.920 I mean, Keir Starmer has complained about this.

00:56:58.980 It's the climate change.

00:56:59.660 A pull-a-leave and nothing happens.

00:57:00.680 Exactly.

00:57:01.040 Well, yeah, indeed.

00:57:01.640 It's the Climate Change Committee, Migration Advisory Committee, the Charity Commission.

00:57:06.480 Everything.

00:57:07.540 They're all outside of direct ministerial control.

00:57:09.400 If I recall correctly, there are something like 440 quangos that control half a trillion

00:57:13.460 pounds of government spending.

00:57:15.140 Yes.

00:57:15.600 So it is an insane level that is above the government, that is not accountable to the

00:57:21.120 government, and essentially has rendered the government itself irrelevant, and that was

00:57:25.060 all by design.

00:57:25.960 Yes.

00:57:26.480 It's only the commons.

00:57:27.640 Absolutely.

00:57:28.560 Blairism was a political agenda posing as an anti-political agenda.

00:57:32.440 Correct.

00:57:33.140 And so this, under reform, the Bank of England will remain independent.

00:57:36.280 Sorry, that's terrible.

00:57:38.560 As you said, it's correctly interpreted as unaccountable.

00:57:41.880 The Office of Budget Responsibility, I mean, there have been plenty of examples of how

00:57:45.100 this has been used as a political tool.

00:57:46.920 Again, Liz Trust being the most obvious one.

00:57:49.760 So this is awful.

00:57:52.340 This is absolutely awful decision-making.

00:57:55.120 I wonder who is actually behind these policies, though.

00:57:57.680 Is it generic?

00:57:58.300 Because like you say, I mean, he's not got any economic experience.

00:58:00.940 Who can know?

00:58:01.480 Who can know?

00:58:02.920 Anyway, so that's terrible.

00:58:04.600 The next thing, though, is Sweller Braveman said, look, we're going to get rid of the

00:58:08.200 Equality Act and scrap the Equalities Minister, which sounds great.

00:58:11.160 She's going to be the Equalities Minister, so I'm scrapping my own job.

00:58:15.160 Hard to believe that anyone's actually going to do that.

00:58:18.120 But OK, that sounds great.

00:58:19.460 But then Zia Youssef was challenged on this by Victoria Derbyshire.

00:58:22.240 And she, for the sake of time, we won't play it out, but she basically says, so you're

00:58:28.120 just going to keep all of the things that the Equality Act does, you're just going to

00:58:33.060 scrap the act in name only.

00:58:35.240 And Zia Youssef was basically like, yeah.

00:58:36.800 Oh, such a gift.

00:58:37.940 I've not seen this.

00:58:38.640 Such a gift.

00:58:39.800 It's really bizarre.

00:58:41.240 And you can see, I mean, look at her face.

00:58:42.480 She's just like, that doesn't make sense.

00:58:44.040 Well, it's very rare these days for regime journalists to look as confident as that.

00:58:49.280 Yes.

00:58:49.520 And because, this is the thing, if you are trying to take the fight to your adversaries,

00:58:54.500 but in doing so you are conceding all of their most foundational premises, you are going

00:58:58.360 to lose that fight sooner or later.

00:59:00.100 So the reason why Victoria Derbyshire looks so smug when questioning Zia Youssef is because

00:59:03.900 she knows that he fundamentally shares her premises.

00:59:07.100 Whereas when you watch Emily Maitlis with Rupert Lowe, he rejects her framing from the

00:59:12.580 outset.

00:59:12.980 And as such, all she can do is flail around like a midwit.

00:59:17.360 Don't you think that's racist, Rupert?

00:59:18.800 I don't care.

00:59:19.780 I don't care.

00:59:20.460 Yeah.

00:59:21.020 And it's a bit of a superpower.

00:59:23.140 We just need to stop caring about the priorities and the good opinion of people who despise

00:59:29.220 us in any case.

00:59:30.140 Yes.

00:59:30.560 And like I said, you can see the dynamic between the two just in the body language in

00:59:35.240 the thumbnail there.

00:59:37.100 Who's winning?

00:59:38.320 Who's got who on the hook?

00:59:40.520 Zia Youssef, fidgeting, uncomfortable.

00:59:42.700 Had to essentially admit that, yeah, like as she says, so it'll be the same act but with

00:59:46.400 a different label.

00:59:47.000 It's like, yes, it's preposterous.

00:59:49.640 And again, it's reform's commitment to Blairism.

00:59:53.040 This is part of the Blairite order and reform are committed to it.

00:59:57.260 Anyway, so the next one is Nigel Farage talking about, well, what is an Englishman after all?

01:00:01.460 Still in your head.

01:00:02.260 We will watch a bit of this.

01:00:03.740 It's remarkable.

01:00:04.360 Listen, I'm not going to start drawing ethnic lines on what being English is.

01:00:08.760 Otherwise, we'll be back to DNA tests and whether you're Anglo-Saxon.

01:00:11.660 I'm not going down that road.

01:00:13.500 It's about how you feel and it's about what your priorities are.

01:00:17.060 That's what I do.

01:00:18.040 It's about whether you're wearing a dress.

01:00:20.180 That is unironically, word for word, the radical intersectional left's view on gender

01:00:26.640 politics.

01:00:27.780 A woman is whoever believes that they're a woman, whoever feels like they're a woman

01:00:31.840 and whoever acts like a woman.

01:00:33.700 And that's it.

01:00:34.760 And Nigel Farage has this transgender opinion for the ethnos itself.

01:00:39.580 And it's really not very complicated.

01:00:41.780 You are British if you are descended from an English, Irish, Northern Irish, Scottish or

01:00:46.940 Welsh parentage.

01:00:48.040 That's just what it is to be British.

01:00:50.200 I would also make a very simple point here.

01:00:51.560 We're constantly hearing, and in Britain have done throughout the period of larism about

01:00:57.700 ethnic minorities and the interests of ethnic minorities.

01:01:00.880 An actual extension of that is that an ethnic majority must exist.

01:01:03.580 And if it doesn't.

01:01:04.140 If an ethnic minority exists.

01:01:06.140 And if not, then what happens to exactly these sorts of ethnic minority protections that

01:01:10.980 the Equality Act is trying to secure in the first place?

01:01:12.800 So it's internally incoherent.

01:01:14.060 And then another thing as well, once they stop trying to denounce the collective self-interest

01:01:20.360 of the host population of these islands, they move to pretending we don't exist in the

01:01:24.020 first place.

01:01:24.840 And the way to really rumble these people, and this is a tactic that I would recommend

01:01:28.220 that people use, ask people on the left of politics, are you in favor of reparations

01:01:33.180 for slavery and colonialism?

01:01:34.660 And many of them, not all of them, but let's just say you get one who says yes.

01:01:37.560 At least in principle.

01:01:38.560 Yes, in principle.

01:01:39.600 Do you understand the proposition at least?

01:01:41.360 And if you're in favor of reparations for slavery and colonialism, the next question

01:01:45.440 that naturally arises is who pays whom?

01:01:47.680 And they were like, well, of course, the British people would pay back the territories that

01:01:54.060 they looted and stole from and crash into the dust and all the rest of it.

01:01:58.060 And then you go, oh, who is the British people then?

01:02:00.080 Ash Sarkar, are you going to be coughing up money and giving it to Bengalis and giving

01:02:03.780 it to Indians and giving it to Africans?

01:02:05.980 That means that the Caribbean blacks that are here, who are the descendant of the slaves...

01:02:10.400 They owe themselves money.

01:02:11.440 Not even that.

01:02:12.300 We might be giving money to places like Nigeria.

01:02:14.540 Well, indeed.

01:02:14.840 Right, so they might be giving, the slave descendants might be giving money to their

01:02:18.280 slavers.

01:02:19.180 The point is, is that whenever they want to shake us down for money, they know exactly

01:02:23.980 who we are.

01:02:24.640 As soon as we say that we would actually like to develop a sense of group consciousness

01:02:29.420 and defend our own interests, as we accept the right of any other group around the world

01:02:35.620 to do so...

01:02:36.120 The Welsh and Scottish have their minority parliaments.

01:02:38.420 They know exactly who we are when it suits them, and they pretend not to know who we are

01:02:41.680 when it suits them also.

01:02:42.620 But it really does come...

01:02:43.760 Sorry, it comes down to the English, though.

01:02:45.360 That's the problem.

01:02:46.360 Because the Welsh have the SNF, the Scottish have the Scottish Assembly, which are at least

01:02:51.760 ostensibly there for ethnic self-determination within the political structure of Great Britain.

01:02:58.100 Well, I was just...

01:02:58.560 The English don't have this.

01:02:59.160 Yeah, so this was one of...

01:03:00.340 This was the central contention that Alex Phillips had when I debated her the other night on

01:03:06.660 Talk TV.

01:03:08.020 I said that one of the most fundamental differences between our party and Reform UK is that Reform

01:03:13.800 UK do not have a clear definition of what a British person is.

01:03:17.080 It basically is this, which is the Blairite line, which is that it's just somebody that

01:03:20.600 believes in British values, whatever that even means at this point.

01:03:23.340 Yes.

01:03:23.820 Whereas our position is, as Rupert said in the launch video, Britain is a people.

01:03:29.000 Correct.

01:03:29.560 And it really is that simple.

01:03:31.120 And if you look up English or Scottish or Welsh on Wikipedia, it will say they're an ethnic

01:03:35.780 group.

01:03:36.180 And on the government website.

01:03:37.880 Yeah.

01:03:38.100 Like, that's not a controversial position.

01:03:39.780 It's just a statement of fact.

01:03:40.740 That's because that's the only way you could actually define these things as a thing.

01:03:44.080 And so it's nothing to do with how you feel.

01:03:45.380 It's nothing to do with, you know, the clothes that you wear and the habits that you keep.

01:03:49.280 But moreover, how is his position in any way substantively different to Zach Polanski?

01:03:53.620 It's not at all.

01:03:54.480 It's exactly the Zach Polanski position.

01:03:56.300 To make an addition to that, there's obviously a lot of chatter online about British values,

01:04:00.780 you know, what that means, X, Y and Z, and the use of British values in cohort with, you

01:04:06.040 know, nationality, we as a people.

01:04:08.780 My argument has always been, OK, well, not only has British, the term British values was

01:04:15.140 created under Blair for his campaigning, so you're using a Blairite term.

01:04:20.700 Construct.

01:04:21.260 Yeah, construct as it is.

01:04:22.720 I would say, OK, let's use that framing for argument's sake.

01:04:27.460 So British values.

01:04:29.140 The British values of someone in the 1960s, who very much are still alive in comparison

01:04:35.800 with someone with the British values of 2026, does the person from the 1960s, are they now

01:04:41.960 not British, because they don't adhere to the values created by modern politicians now?

01:04:48.460 Or indeed the 1860s.

01:04:49.920 Or the 70s.

01:04:50.400 Exactly.

01:04:50.980 Exactly.

01:04:51.820 Napoleon, not British, actually.

01:04:53.440 Exactly.

01:04:54.000 So it's a very fallible and very easily deconstructed concept that just needs to be done away with

01:05:00.900 now.

01:05:01.040 But moreover, it shows their commitment to Blairism.

01:05:04.080 Exactly.

01:05:04.600 This is a Blairite construct for a reason, in order to validate, justify, and in some way sort

01:05:09.800 of incorporate into the political structure, bringing in millions of foreigners.

01:05:14.380 I mean, great question.

01:05:16.220 How did these people come by British values if they come from other countries?

01:05:19.580 Why call them British values if they're found universally?

01:05:23.080 They're not actually parochial to this place, or else these people couldn't have come by

01:05:26.840 them on their own.

01:05:27.600 If they really want to come to Britain, and Britain is really defined by its value system,

01:05:30.900 just send them the PowerPoints.

01:05:33.400 Give them the king-queens quiz.

01:05:35.240 If it's transferable knowledge, if it's simply a matter of how you feel, then go and create

01:05:40.520 Britain in your home countries and see how you get on.

01:05:43.000 And why aren't Brits just springing up in foreign countries all the time?

01:05:45.980 It's the same with the American values.

01:05:48.840 Sorry, we're not a propositional nation.

01:05:51.080 We're not a values-based nation.

01:05:52.140 Our values have changed over time, and will change in the future, and yet will remain

01:05:55.320 the British.

01:05:55.700 I can't believe that we've demoralized ourselves that much, that someone that's come here five

01:06:01.300 minutes ago that has taken a quiz on kings and queens and given a piece of paper is suddenly

01:06:06.640 as British as...

01:06:09.480 It's preposterous, and everyone knows it's not true.

01:06:11.120 That's the problem.

01:06:12.020 Anyway, this canard was going around.

01:06:14.880 Again, we'll go back to...

01:06:15.480 Didn't know this.

01:06:15.980 That's interesting.

01:06:16.980 Yeah, we'll go back to Alex.

01:06:18.080 Just as a quick thing is, what's interesting is how quickly reform have essentially defaulted

01:06:24.920 back into leftism, back into Blairism, using all of those arguments.

01:06:28.940 Watch this.

01:06:30.080 Restore Britain believe British people are an ethnicity.

01:06:33.360 We are a race.

01:06:34.120 We are a demographic.

01:06:35.760 Every other political party has a nebulous view of Britain and British people.

01:06:40.600 Okay, so if British people are a race, my stepsister is not British, then.

01:06:49.080 I'm sorry, I just don't...

01:06:51.080 I don't understand.

01:06:53.620 It wasn't for a sec.

01:06:54.460 Yeah, I can't.

01:06:54.860 You are allowed to not be British, you know.

01:06:56.660 Yeah, yeah, but she does understand.

01:06:59.520 Oh, yeah.

01:07:00.280 This was only from October last year.

01:07:02.600 Ooh.

01:07:03.320 Make science racist again, says Alex Phillips.

01:07:06.020 It's been taboo to acknowledge ethnic differences in our biological makeup.

01:07:09.680 Look, I don't know Alex Phillips' own personal situation with it.

01:07:13.620 Did she say her stepsister?

01:07:14.860 Yeah.

01:07:15.540 The fact that she chose her stepsister...

01:07:17.580 She's not British.

01:07:18.520 ...means that you presumably you're well aware of what we're talking about.

01:07:20.820 You can't then say, wait, does that mean my stepsister wouldn't be British?

01:07:23.100 And then go, I just don't understand.

01:07:24.460 Well, clearly you have wrapped your head around the concept because you've immediately gone

01:07:28.500 to someone who does not fit this designation.

01:07:30.740 It's like with the football club, Jim Ratcliffe.

01:07:32.480 Yeah.

01:07:32.660 Why did they black out the foreign players?

01:07:34.540 Yeah.

01:07:34.760 It's like, this is what your football team would look like without immigration.

01:07:37.140 Yeah, exactly.

01:07:37.660 It's like, why did you choose those ones?

01:07:39.140 Yeah, why did you choose those ones?

01:07:40.040 Because you know they're...

01:07:40.800 They're all British.

01:07:41.500 They're all British as each other.

01:07:42.440 Have you screened them for British values?

01:07:43.700 Has Nigel Farrell asked them how they feel about being English?

01:07:46.200 It's like just pretending not to know what we're talking about.

01:07:49.980 And as I say, it's gone from sort of denouncing it.

01:07:52.760 And then when we call the bluff and say, look, we don't care about your terms.

01:07:56.180 Again, I talked about unaccountability earlier and how whenever we see the term independent,

01:07:59.240 we should substitute unaccountable.

01:08:00.900 I would be in favor for terms like racist and terms like xenophobe and terms like bigoted.

01:08:05.580 Just change that for averse to your own dispossession and conquest.

01:08:10.600 And it performs exactly the same function.

01:08:12.480 And so once they've stopped trying to demonize it, which they now have because they realize

01:08:15.420 that these tools have grown blunt with overuse, they just pretend not to know what you're

01:08:18.440 talking about.

01:08:18.740 I mean, her saying literally, make science racist again.

01:08:21.280 Okay.

01:08:21.800 Oh my gosh.

01:08:22.320 I mean, that's...

01:08:23.200 I didn't even see the headline.

01:08:24.640 That's a strong statement.

01:08:25.860 Very strong.

01:08:26.400 To suggest that you don't recognize that there is an ethnic group or four ethnic groups that

01:08:30.720 make up the British, and that is juxtaposed against non-British ethnic groups.

01:08:36.780 Come on, Alex.

01:08:37.600 We know what's happening.

01:08:38.600 Can I also add, in my debate with her the other night, she said that what we were proposing

01:08:42.820 was scary.

01:08:43.840 That's the word that she used.

01:08:44.700 She said it's scary, the route that we're going down.

01:08:46.600 And to that, I said to her, like, yeah, no shit.

01:08:50.000 We're talking about the future of our country.

01:08:51.560 It's not going to be, you know, rainbows and butterflies and bunnies.

01:08:54.940 It's, you know, this is existential for us.

01:08:56.860 She's living the end of history.

01:08:58.080 Yeah.

01:08:58.480 Yeah.

01:08:58.700 And so, you know, if it wasn't scary, I think we'd probably be focusing on the wrong

01:09:02.120 things.

01:09:02.760 Yeah.

01:09:03.120 But this is the point.

01:09:04.860 And she tweeted out the other day as well, as you said, you know, she had a post that

01:09:09.880 it was this scary.

01:09:10.600 And I was like, look, invoking the Nazis is not going to make us relinquish our claim to

01:09:14.420 England.

01:09:15.820 I'm sorry.

01:09:16.740 You know, we luckily for you, we are not mad men and we are not we are not hateful.

01:09:22.700 We are not spiteful.

01:09:23.880 We are not people who want to inflict pain or suffering or anything like that.

01:09:27.200 It's just as Rupert pointed out, there is a grim determination behind all of this.

01:09:30.560 It's just we have to take action.

01:09:33.160 I say one thing as well, the idea that it's scary.

01:09:35.360 Look, I can see how it might be scary if people were to imbue their ethnic identity with a

01:09:40.980 sense of quasi-religious or kind of messianic significance and regard it as the measure of

01:09:45.620 all things.

01:09:46.160 That's really what the Nazis were guilty of, viewing it as the measure of all things, including

01:09:51.020 moral values and all the rest of it.

01:09:52.720 Given that our framework is Christian and is explicitly Christian, we regard the existence

01:09:59.720 of ethnic difference as simply a feature of God's creation.

01:10:03.100 And therefore, we want to act as stewards over it in just the same way that we want

01:10:08.380 wildlife to flourish.

01:10:09.620 It's not a matter of wanting to stamp out alternative forms of organic life.

01:10:13.480 It's part of God's creation.

01:10:14.920 And given that we...

01:10:15.940 I don't mean to laugh.

01:10:16.920 I know.

01:10:17.340 Given that our moral framework is much more Christian than it is informed by a sort of

01:10:23.380 quasi-religious sense of blood and ethnic significance, we are not going to mutate into sort of Nazi

01:10:33.080 fever dreams or anything like that, because it would be inconsistent with our Christian

01:10:35.920 understanding of the good.

01:10:37.420 Sorry, just on that.

01:10:38.480 But even if you had a secular position on that, it would still be something very normal

01:10:42.600 and modern.

01:10:43.520 And, well, of course, I respect their countries.

01:10:45.360 I want my country respected.

01:10:47.460 It would be sort of Westphalian...

01:10:48.840 Mutual recognition, for example.

01:10:49.700 Yeah, exactly.

01:10:51.300 Settlement, where it's like, you know, I, of course, respect you do what you want in

01:10:53.660 your country.

01:10:54.140 And that's why I go on holiday to your countries to go, oh, wow, look at this strange way

01:10:57.720 they do things here.

01:10:59.120 I just want it to be normal when I get home.

01:11:01.780 You know, that's all people are asking for.

01:11:03.420 But just on that point, because this is really important, because we are a Christian party,

01:11:07.180 one of the key principles of Christianity is not to worship idols.

01:11:10.320 And to make an idol of the nation or the race is, by definition, anti-Christian.

01:11:14.460 So the idea that, as you say, that's where we're going to go is just absurd.

01:11:18.420 Correct.

01:11:18.780 Sure.

01:11:19.400 But the point is, there has to be a secular interpretation of what you're saying as well.

01:11:23.320 Well, sure, yeah.

01:11:24.240 And there absolutely is.

01:11:25.520 But to these people who are suggesting that we're going to go down the kind of mid-century

01:11:28.700 German route, it's just absurd.

01:11:30.140 But also, so much of secularism in Tom Holland's book is very good on this, is itself a bequest

01:11:34.400 of Christian civilisation.

01:11:35.360 That is correct.

01:11:36.140 There's an undeniable Christian heritage to liberalism as the West.

01:11:39.840 So I'm including, so I think we're all practising Christians, but I'm including in this people

01:11:45.340 who share what we might call the moral intuitions of Christendom.

01:11:48.760 Yeah, the moral heritage.

01:11:49.720 Yes.

01:11:50.040 Yeah.

01:11:50.540 That includes many secularists.

01:11:52.320 No, that includes every secularist.

01:11:54.420 To the extent that there are secular humanists, yes.

01:11:56.120 Yeah, yeah, exactly, yeah.

01:11:57.680 There's no secular humanist who has decided, actually, we can adopt a Nietzschean framework

01:12:01.060 on this, which is just as viable through an atheistic secular perspective.

01:12:06.340 There is actually nothing stopping you, apart from your own post-Christian moral intuitions

01:12:11.560 to say, oh, I can't just conquer that city and put all those people to the sword.

01:12:15.180 Yes.

01:12:15.800 No, you absolutely can if you'd like, it's just you don't like.

01:12:18.940 One of the institutions that has actually been strongest on halal and kosher slaughter

01:12:22.200 is the Secular Humanists UK.

01:12:24.340 So it goes to show that Christianity lives on in peculiar ways.

01:12:28.620 Yes.

01:12:29.160 And it's a long conversation with the new atheists that we're going to rehash now.

01:12:33.020 But the thing is, Alex...

01:12:34.400 Poor old Alex for going quite hard on her.

01:12:35.700 I don't mean to go hard on her, but she's just one of the most prominent reformed defenders

01:12:39.100 in the media at the moment.

01:12:40.320 And she's been going hard on immigration because she feels unsafe.

01:12:44.540 I mean, watch a little bit of this, but you know, and the thing is, I agree with everything

01:12:47.900 she's saying here.

01:12:48.600 Was it not enough when we noticed what was going on with grooming gangs?

01:12:51.580 Was it not enough when we see what's happened to the victim of Abdul Azadi?

01:12:55.780 When are we going to have the conversation that women's safety is being mortgaged at the

01:13:01.060 altar of mass immigration and this faux political correctness?

01:13:04.900 Like, why am I living in a country where I hate being here?

01:13:08.580 I hate it.

01:13:09.280 I hate London.

01:13:10.660 I despise it.

01:13:11.760 I'm not safe.

01:13:12.800 I'm not protected.

01:13:14.000 I'm the one who's constantly out there in the world.

01:13:15.920 Oh, you're a monster.

01:13:16.560 You're a Nazi.

01:13:17.020 You're a racist.

01:13:17.520 You're a Zen.

01:13:17.840 In fact, be kind.

01:13:18.960 Fuck off, be kind.

01:13:20.540 Fuck off.

01:13:21.640 I didn't live 41 years of my life working hard, dragging myself up from a working class

01:13:25.860 family to get where I am, to pay this tax.

01:13:27.780 And my thanks is to be name called, have my car bashed in, groped, mugged, outpriced

01:13:33.620 in the housing market.

01:13:34.640 Fuck off.

01:13:35.860 I mean, I agree with her completely when she's being honest about how she feels about it.

01:13:40.720 It's just that the problem is she's committed to reform and reform are committed to Blairism

01:13:44.860 and therefore they have to go back to the old responses that Blair was using back in

01:13:49.840 1997.

01:13:51.080 They have nowhere else to go.

01:13:53.700 Gwaine Towler, of course, has, she said the same sort of thing when Yvonne Bobo was going

01:13:58.980 to that.

01:13:59.480 But Gwaine Towler, again, committed to the Zach Polanski position.

01:14:03.580 This is the Zahra Sultana position.

01:14:05.740 The UK is a country that is mixed.

01:14:07.360 That is a fact of life.

01:14:08.400 It's like, well, it wasn't a fact of life 50 years ago.

01:14:11.580 Why is it a fact of life now?

01:14:13.100 And why must it be a fact of life in 50 years' time?

01:14:16.420 We are committed to foreign communities being in this country.

01:14:20.640 And I'm sorry, I'm just not committed to that.

01:14:23.220 And this is just one of those things where, again, how would you be different from Labour

01:14:28.180 or the Greens or the Conservatives?

01:14:30.920 This is all on the same point.

01:14:33.680 And sorry, if millions go, millions go, Gwaine.

01:14:37.540 To say very quickly, if Restore Britain doesn't get its way, then it's actually not true to

01:14:42.700 say that the UK, as he tellingly puts it, will be mixed in 50 years' time.

01:14:48.760 It will be uniformly conquered.

01:14:50.360 Correct.

01:14:51.340 But then you've got another, this is the bit from the Alex Phillips-Young Bob debate that

01:14:56.920 I want to address.

01:14:58.560 Young Bob did very, very well here.

01:15:01.140 His haircut didn't do very well.

01:15:02.700 Bob, I've already teased you about this on Twitter, needs to be smartened up, mate.

01:15:08.000 But otherwise, very good.

01:15:10.040 So we'll watch this, because it's telling.

01:15:13.360 Bob, thank you ever so much for coming in.

01:15:15.300 Word of warning, you're very young.

01:15:16.760 You're starting out on your career.

01:15:18.220 It doesn't matter what happens.

01:15:19.600 I do not want to see you blow yourself up.

01:15:21.640 So just...

01:15:22.400 If that happens, it means there's a right-wing establishment that censors people.

01:15:26.740 Might.

01:15:27.500 Maybe there is.

01:15:28.260 I've not seen that.

01:15:31.900 You've not seen that?

01:15:32.680 No, it's a good one.

01:15:33.500 It's a very clever, quick-witted remark by him.

01:15:35.300 It was a very good response for him to catch that, because I would probably just let that

01:15:38.600 go.

01:15:38.860 Yeah, same.

01:15:39.360 Very quick on his feet.

01:15:41.040 But Alex basically gave the game away here.

01:15:43.480 What's Mafia like?

01:15:44.600 It is.

01:15:45.240 Nice watch.

01:15:45.680 That's politics.

01:15:46.540 Nice family you've got there.

01:15:47.480 But you know who the head of that Mafia is.

01:15:51.720 It's Nigel Farage.

01:15:52.440 Of course it is.

01:15:53.140 He tried to cancel Rupert Lowe.

01:15:54.360 He's canceled Ben Habib.

01:15:55.260 He's canceled all of these people.

01:15:56.520 And she knows her position in the hierarchy.

01:15:59.580 She's a lieutenant.

01:16:00.980 And she's not an evil person, but she understands that she's in a system.

01:16:05.960 And Bob is putting himself in real danger of being targeted by that system.

01:16:10.620 Farage will say, right, you'll never be on GB News anymore.

01:16:12.940 You'll never be on Talk TV.

01:16:13.900 He'll make the call.

01:16:15.320 And Bob has been like, you know what?

01:16:16.800 I'm just going to take it on the chin, because things just can't carry on like they are.

01:16:20.780 I love that she's just straight up warning of that.

01:16:23.720 I appreciate her honesty.

01:16:25.160 Yeah, I appreciate it.

01:16:25.680 And it's filmed.

01:16:26.520 Yeah.

01:16:26.860 So, play it back.

01:16:28.640 And this is another thing that I think is really interesting about Restore Britain, is that it just seems to be culturally different to reform in its internals.

01:16:38.540 Yes.

01:16:38.980 As in, I know everyone in it, and they all seem to be, well, honestly, most of them married men with children.

01:16:44.120 Yeah.

01:16:44.340 Which, you know, without scandals in the past.

01:16:47.420 Compare that, not to be libelous, but I will say generally compare that to the people calling the shots at reform.

01:16:53.460 Yeah, not quite the same.

01:16:55.180 I have to say there's a...

01:16:56.700 It's just a matter of public record, by the way.

01:16:57.980 Yeah, there's a substantive difference.

01:17:00.080 I mean, Alex is one of those people, allegedly.

01:17:02.300 There's a substantive difference in the calibre and quality of the men I see and women in Restore and Reform.

01:17:10.160 And this is just something I think you can't really put too much overemphasis on.

01:17:15.660 Nigel Farage has always had a Jack the Lad reputation.

01:17:18.140 It's like, yeah, he's the last man of the old order.

01:17:20.120 He's here to save Blairism.

01:17:21.620 And it's almost like, oh, so you've come crawling to me.

01:17:25.220 How is it that Keir Starmer wasn't able to do this?

01:17:26.840 How is it that David Cameron wasn't able to do this?

01:17:29.880 How is it that the system itself has got to this point?

01:17:32.600 And Farage is like, right, okay, I'm a Blairite.

01:17:35.000 I'm going to fix it for you.

01:17:36.440 It's like, sorry, I don't want Blairism.

01:17:38.040 I want this over.

01:17:39.040 Like we said, we want a restoration.

01:17:40.920 We don't want a conservation or a reformation.

01:17:46.380 We want to go back to how it used to be.

01:17:49.380 Yes.

01:17:49.540 You know, I'm sure, obviously, you remember the 90s, the late 90s and everything.

01:17:54.360 I remember before Blairism, it was just brilliant.

01:17:56.060 Yeah.

01:17:56.320 I'm going to be honest.

01:17:57.360 It was an amazing country and I'm sad you don't get to live for it.

01:17:59.980 Well, this is the reason why I think Rupert has captured the Zuma vote so effectively as well.

01:18:05.100 And we've had conversations, you know, after a pint or so, you know, talking about, you know,

01:18:09.960 you never lived through the era of, you know, before Blair.

01:18:14.020 I've never known anything different to this.

01:18:15.320 No.

01:18:15.540 I was 94, so I don't really count either.

01:18:18.560 So that's why I'm on a resuma, according to these lads.

01:18:21.300 But like, but yeah, it's about going back to that time that we, you know, sometimes people

01:18:27.700 say it's romanticizing it, but.

01:18:29.600 I wouldn't say it's bringing forth.

01:18:31.920 That's exactly what I was going to say.

01:18:33.200 Yes.

01:18:33.700 Yes.

01:18:34.120 So word of reassurance consistent with some of the concerns that Alex Phillips was raising

01:18:38.220 earlier.

01:18:39.160 One notable thing about pre-Blair Britain, not a fascist hellscape.

01:18:44.380 It wasn't.

01:18:45.300 I remember it very clearly.

01:18:46.780 Not one goose step.

01:18:48.560 Um, no, obviously it was a perfectly decent and respectable country, which is why Tony

01:18:53.660 Blair was so easily able to take advantage of it.

01:18:56.180 Yes.

01:18:56.680 Um, anyway, we'll, uh, we'll, we'll just say, uh, um, I'd, I'd like to give a quick

01:19:00.700 apology to Maria Botel.

01:19:02.300 Uh, I didn't include her in a yesterday's segment.

01:19:04.620 I did on this, uh, because people had already come around.

01:19:07.480 I know I, Maria, I am, I'm very sorry.

01:19:09.540 Maria is an absolute patriot.

01:19:10.700 Well done, Patriots.

01:19:12.040 Fantastic.

01:19:12.600 Um, yeah.

01:19:13.160 So excellent.

01:19:13.940 So, uh, she was an independent counselor in Yorkshire.

01:19:15.880 So she has said, no, uh, restore is the party for me.

01:19:19.420 Uh, there have been, uh, others.

01:19:20.800 This is a Pete Colley, uh, who, he came from reform in, uh, Stevenage, which good man.

01:19:26.540 Uh, and then you've got a series of others.

01:19:29.180 Sorry for the, for the time.

01:19:31.340 I'm not going to be able to just list them all, but, um, a series of others.

01:19:34.240 By the way, can I just say, they're all in Kent County Council, and we are, I think,

01:19:38.000 five counselor, counselors off of being the official opposition.

01:19:42.320 Really?

01:19:42.780 Because the Lib Dems are on 13 or something, right?

01:19:44.740 Yes.

01:19:44.880 Yeah, yeah, I looked it up.

01:19:46.260 Um, so that's very fast work.

01:19:49.040 But the point you can see is that this has struck a chord, because people are well aware

01:19:54.480 that reform is being run, honestly, like a despotic tyranny.

01:19:58.720 Something like Saruman running Orthanc is how it comes across to me.

01:20:02.940 And tell me I'm wrong.

01:20:04.360 Yeah.

01:20:04.720 Well, they're just fundamentally part of the establishment, and that will become clearer

01:20:07.580 and clearer and clearer over the next few years.

01:20:09.680 I think the Saruman comparison is going to get more and more salient, but anyway, you

01:20:13.460 heard it at first.

01:20:14.340 Anyway, but the, uh, the point being, um, people are aware, they're not happy.

01:20:18.280 We've been hearing on the, on the grapevine for a long time that the restore, uh, reform

01:20:22.980 branches are very unhappy with the way they work.

01:20:24.820 This is correct, and this is a really crucial point.

01:20:27.000 Not every person in the country, I will grant, knows who Rupert Lowe is.

01:20:30.640 Every single Reform UK volunteer, and every single Reform UK councillor,

01:20:34.240 knows exactly who Rupert Lowe is.

01:20:36.180 And many of them have been talking to us.

01:20:37.820 Yeah.

01:20:38.940 Uh, there was, um, speaking of local branches, there was Oliver from Western Supermare.

01:20:42.940 He was the chairman, uh, regional coordinator for a reform branch, uh, in, uh, the east of,

01:20:50.120 uh, west of England, and he's decided he's joining Restore as well.

01:20:53.840 Uh, and so, basically, you've got the, the good people who have been on the ground.

01:20:57.720 This has always been one of the problems with Reform.

01:20:59.820 It's like, Nigel Farage will do something terrible, and everyone will be like, okay,

01:21:03.340 but the guys on the, in the infrastructure of Reform are all good guys.

01:21:07.280 You know, they're all good, hard-working, volunteering patriots who are doing the best.

01:21:11.540 And this is why Farage has always been in such a quandary with his dealing with how he treats

01:21:15.380 Tommy Robinson.

01:21:16.600 The membership love Tommy Robinson.

01:21:18.280 They absolutely love him.

01:21:19.120 They, they, you know, he's fans of his.

01:21:20.980 And so, Nigel Farage kicking him in the face is the same as him kicking them in the face.

01:21:25.040 And so, it's always been very, very poorly managed.

01:21:29.180 And then, I mean, I saw this, and...

01:21:33.500 Oh, deary me.

01:21:34.880 In the abstract, if you were going to list people in modern politics,

01:21:38.840 and you'd say they're going to be the saviors of Britain.

01:21:41.780 Tilbury Party 2.0.

01:21:43.060 Is this the team you'd have chosen?

01:21:46.140 It's hard to imagine.

01:21:47.480 Just, I think, I think it's worth thinking about.

01:21:49.280 Let's say that Britain is restored, Britain is saved.

01:21:52.180 In 150 years' time, when this tale of legend and song is told.

01:21:56.880 Like, will that be in the, in the visual aids that are used to describe this history?

01:22:01.320 I don't think so.

01:22:02.300 You can very Blairite look.

01:22:03.620 It has to be said as well, by the way.

01:22:05.280 No, no shadow foreign secretary there.

01:22:07.620 So, they at least had the good sense to not announce Nadeem Zahawi at this particular time.

01:22:11.940 Because I think that would have been an absolute death blow to them.

01:22:14.240 Oh, it's so...

01:22:14.840 But they will, by the way.

01:22:15.740 They will announce him in the near future.

01:22:17.560 It's so bizarre.

01:22:18.160 Like, Nigel, you don't have to have a foreigner as foreign secretary, actually.

01:22:21.220 Just a foreigner.

01:22:21.720 But one of the worst ministers in the previous government.

01:22:24.960 Absolutely.

01:22:25.440 An architect of vaccine mandates and lockdown.

01:22:27.740 Yeah, I mean, just...

01:22:29.020 You should be in prison.

01:22:29.780 Yeah, yeah, I agree.

01:22:30.860 The remittances for Somalia.

01:22:32.580 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:22:33.760 And also the, for illegal migrants.

01:22:36.980 The amnesty as well.

01:22:37.840 Yeah, amnesty for illegals.

01:22:39.040 What are we doing?

01:22:39.660 What are we doing?

01:22:40.280 Remittances for Somalia.

01:22:41.180 I think it's very safe to say.

01:22:43.060 I think it's very, very safe to say that we won't be bringing on senior politicians or senior careerists.

01:22:48.720 Foreign ministers.

01:22:49.320 Yeah, definitely not.

01:22:49.640 Former ministers.

01:22:50.400 How many members of Boris's cabinet are you taking?

01:22:52.740 Great question.

01:22:54.040 I'll have to get back to you on that.

01:22:56.840 We've got loads of comments, but of course I've been a bit strapped for time in this one,

01:23:00.660 so sorry that we're not going to get to the Super Chats, but I'll read some comments off the website to hear us out.

01:23:06.160 So Connor has left a comment.

01:23:08.060 It's in the air, gentlemen.

01:23:08.880 We're going to win.

01:23:09.520 It's going to be difficult, but everything that's worth it always is, which is obviously correct.

01:23:13.580 Sophie says,

01:23:14.360 I just want to congratulate the Restore team for the great success that's happened in such a short time and thank them for all the work that's made it possible.

01:23:20.240 The air has changed.

01:23:21.700 I now see young men speaking up everywhere and people knowing inside that the time is now.

01:23:26.540 There is work to be done.

01:23:27.380 Thankfully, all the warriors and soldiers on the ground are ready and willing.

01:23:29.880 The tip of the spear, you guys, has penetrated the armor.

01:23:32.140 But I'm looking forward to help pushing the rest of the spear until it finally penetrates the heart of Blairism and global elitism.

01:23:37.980 It's going to happen.

01:23:38.560 It's that or we literally die as a nation.

01:23:40.420 Yes.

01:23:40.900 That's it.

01:23:41.500 That's the choice.

01:23:42.260 Yeah, that is the choice.

01:23:43.580 The thing as well, who is the one, you know, if you find mush, keep pushing.

01:23:48.080 Lenin.

01:23:48.480 Lenin.

01:23:49.120 Yeah, we've found the mush.

01:23:51.100 Yeah.

01:23:51.520 Everyone can feel how soft their reactions have been.

01:23:53.980 They have been weak in response to this and you shouldn't have left your right flanks so wide open.

01:23:59.820 Yes.

01:24:00.060 But sorry, now we're in the mush and we're just going to keep going.

01:24:03.620 So you get what you deserve on that, frankly.

01:24:06.260 I mean, you made your bed.

01:24:08.480 So, anyway.

01:24:09.600 Anne says, thank you so much for getting the Restore team on today.

01:24:12.500 Well, you know, I do my best.

01:24:14.800 Great guests and wonderful to see so many on at once.

01:24:18.020 Please do this again to provide updates on how Restore is growing.

01:24:20.720 Absolutely.

01:24:21.320 Absolutely.

01:24:21.920 If you'll have us.

01:24:22.600 Of course we will.

01:24:23.160 If you'll have us.

01:24:24.400 RW says, let's have it, lads.

01:24:25.860 Three patriots.

01:24:26.720 We're all behind you.

01:24:27.600 Don't blink and stay the course.

01:24:29.940 Definitely.

01:24:30.500 Mason says, I joined the Australian Liberal Party once.

01:24:32.960 I hated it.

01:24:33.740 Didn't even last a year.

01:24:34.780 No substantial policy discussion.

01:24:36.500 Every conversation was about what you could provide, usually money, influence and votes.

01:24:40.720 It's easy to see how anyone who has climbed the ladder would be inauthentic and stuck in a bubble.

01:24:45.340 I hope Restore Britain accounts for this when considering party structure.

01:24:48.620 Respect the membership.

01:24:49.680 Let them in on discussions and be grateful for their support.

01:24:51.400 One of the things I saw Rupert post was how he's not going to be dictating local policy.

01:24:56.540 Yeah, that's right.

01:24:57.280 And that is, honestly, I saw people being like, oh, right, so they're not going to get any help from head office.

01:25:02.500 Like, no.

01:25:03.060 What that is, is the assumption that Englishmen know how to run their own affairs best.

01:25:06.740 What does Rupert Lowe know about the state of the drains in Cornwall or something like that?

01:25:12.360 He doesn't know.

01:25:13.000 No, you know.

01:25:14.340 You're empowered.

01:25:15.100 And this was always the attitude.

01:25:16.540 There was the problem with the European Union.

01:25:17.840 No, we're going to take all the decisions outside of, and the problem with the quangos, take the decisions outside of the hands of the politicians, so they don't have to take responsibility for anything.

01:25:25.820 What kind of people does that attract?

01:25:27.640 It attracts freeloaders.

01:25:28.900 It attracts loafers.

01:25:29.980 People who have got, oh, not my problem.

01:25:31.600 You have to push it up the chain.

01:25:33.120 No, we want people who are actually competent, who are going to take responsibility, who are going to get the things done in charge.

01:25:39.220 You don't want an overbearing administrative bureaucracy on your head saying, no, you have to do it this way.

01:25:44.880 No, I can't.

01:25:45.700 Look at the, anyway.

01:25:46.660 So, basically, I think that Restore Britain is already on the right track when it comes to its own internal party structure.

01:25:53.500 Just from that alone, but I'm sure you guys know exactly these are the sort of problems you're going to face.

01:25:58.060 Of course, and these are fair challenges.

01:26:00.040 Yes, exactly.

01:26:00.960 Omar says, in the same way that it's difficult for us to intuit Izat cultures, I think they have, in turn, a blind spot to how we internalize a foreigner inserting themselves into conversations over our sovereignty and right to exist.

01:26:12.260 We don't immediately lash out such blatant attacks, so they read it as permitted ignorance of the heavy resentment building up behind a dam of cultural politeness.

01:26:23.020 They keep poking the sleeping lion and growing boulder, assuming it might be dead.

01:26:26.080 Yes, and this is one of the things that is going to be a difficult thing for them to accept.

01:26:32.420 At some point, we're just going to have to say flat no.

01:26:35.720 And Rupert is that point.

01:26:37.140 Yeah.

01:26:37.600 Yeah.

01:26:37.740 Are you not worried about me calling you a racist?

01:26:40.620 No, not really.

01:26:42.300 My own conscience is untroubled.

01:26:44.040 Yes.

01:26:45.280 Exactly.

01:26:45.920 That has to be the attitude of everybody out there, by the way, as well.

01:26:48.920 Like, you just can't.

01:26:49.640 And I know it's easy for us to say because our jobs are not threatened by these allegations.

01:26:54.500 But honestly, if you can, if you're in a position to do so, look the person accusing you of being a racist in the eye and just say, I don't care.

01:27:01.280 Because you know more than anyone else who you actually are.

01:27:04.400 So, why should you capitulate?

01:27:07.200 I like that line.

01:27:07.900 My own conscience is untroubled.

01:27:09.720 It's the right attitude.

01:27:12.120 Michael says deportation is the moderate position.

01:27:15.220 And we won't go any further.

01:27:17.380 In terms of the future of the country, it certainly is.

01:27:19.360 Oh, absolutely.

01:27:20.400 And also, it's not without precedent.

01:27:23.060 The 20th century is replete with mass population exchanges through all sorts of different countries.

01:27:30.200 When a particular political paradigm collapses, when the Ottoman Empire collapsed, when Nazi Germany collapsed, when the British Empire collapsed, you get mass population transfers.

01:27:40.660 And luckily for them, on the collapse of our paradigm, when things change, we are much more reasonable men than they had in the middle of the 20th century.

01:27:50.060 There is not going to be mass bloodshed.

01:27:52.000 There is not going to be suffering or impotishment or cruelty.

01:27:56.460 It's going to be just an unfortunate thing that has to be done.

01:28:01.100 And everyone's going to do what they can to make it as smooth and painless as possible.

01:28:04.960 This is the point.

01:28:05.520 I don't think we're deeply ideological people.

01:28:08.140 It's just like looking at the situation for what it is and just being like, we just can't do this anymore.

01:28:12.100 Yeah.

01:28:13.020 That's it.

01:28:14.280 Russian says, Danny Finkelstein, friends of the show.

01:28:16.600 I chuckled for 30 seconds straight.

01:28:17.980 Well, I mean, you know, Danny Finkelstein, most affected by...

01:28:22.660 Always.

01:28:23.320 Patriots.

01:28:23.820 Always, yeah.

01:28:24.520 It's weird how he keeps like...

01:28:25.760 Inserting himself.

01:28:26.360 Yeah, exactly.

01:28:27.180 He keeps leaping in front of the bullets.

01:28:29.660 It's like, but Danny, no one's talking about you.

01:28:32.560 Like, Lord Finkelstein, you're not involved in this conversation.

01:28:37.200 It's just really weird.

01:28:39.660 Oh, gosh.

01:28:40.540 I saw you even written a thing at the time saying, oh, I've been attacked by all the Groypers.

01:28:44.120 It's like, yeah, but they didn't know who you were until you started...

01:28:48.120 Anyway.

01:28:48.600 Oh, dear.

01:28:49.060 Maria says, Restore will no doubt have to weather all the combined assaults from the media globalist elite types who care little about them or at all about the national survival.

01:28:57.720 Well, I mean, they're the ones killing it.

01:28:59.680 Restore could possibly split the vote, but I think more likely will unite the vote across the nations to make our nation a nation.

01:29:05.220 Yeah, and I'm just tired of the entitlement of it.

01:29:08.340 No, we're going to win, and too bad.

01:29:10.640 Cry about it.

01:29:11.440 Not my problem.

01:29:12.100 Your problem.

01:29:13.260 There's still a long way to go between now and then.

01:29:14.760 We can't replace them.

01:29:15.720 That is important.

01:29:16.460 Yes.

01:29:17.080 But thankfully, this is our job.

01:29:19.100 That's true.

01:29:19.660 This is non-stop war against the system.

01:29:21.980 Yeah.

01:29:22.380 Total war in every aspect that we can possibly conceive of.

01:29:26.540 We are against everything that they do, and we're going to win.

01:29:30.200 The death penalty is unironically a British value, says that's a random name.

01:29:33.680 That's true.

01:29:35.220 And not just, it's an English value.

01:29:37.080 Yeah.

01:29:37.220 The death penalty has always been cherished by the English in particular, which is very...

01:29:41.760 Like so many things up until the last five minutes.

01:29:43.780 Yeah, until the 60s.

01:29:46.680 Alex says, the center has never existed.

01:29:48.800 It was always a construction of the legacy media political construct.

01:29:51.100 Yeah, it's the apparatus of the Westminster SW1 bubble to keep out the undesirables like you lot.

01:30:00.760 But yeah, you're absolutely right.

01:30:01.680 Yeah, and the fact that it's collapsed so comprehensively at this point is just remarkable.

01:30:06.320 Yeah.

01:30:06.820 Like, really enjoy seeing it go, frankly.

01:30:10.720 And that's a random name says, 40% of people didn't vote because they didn't feel represented.

01:30:15.700 You mean, Kemi doesn't represent the average Brit?

01:30:17.720 Well, I mean, to be honest with you, Kemi's actually not by far the least of the problem,

01:30:23.600 frankly.

01:30:24.380 Like, she's got more popular support than someone like Keir Starmer or Rachel Reeves or David

01:30:28.000 Lammy or, you know.

01:30:29.020 So it's actually not that too...

01:30:31.080 It's not too bad, frankly.

01:30:32.580 And she's not particularly relevant.

01:30:33.620 I mean, the betting markets have Rupert at better odds to be the next player.

01:30:37.040 I know.

01:30:37.140 And then Kemi Bet not.

01:30:37.820 So I don't think we need to concern ourselves.

01:30:39.440 I know.

01:30:39.840 It's amazing, isn't it?

01:30:42.540 Richard said, Farage is a mirage.

01:30:44.640 His attendance numbers as an MEP or MP should tell you all you need to know.

01:30:48.180 What's he been doing?

01:30:49.140 He hasn't been working hard as he pretends.

01:30:50.880 Definitely not what you want.

01:30:52.060 Yeah, I mean, like, the left-wing attack.

01:30:54.500 How many times have you been to Clacton?

01:30:56.620 It's true.

01:30:58.020 You know, I hate to give him that, but it is true.

01:31:00.740 And Anne says, when I see Nigel's cameos, I see someone who will sell his dignity for

01:31:04.380 money.

01:31:05.140 Makes me wonder what else he has or will do for more cash.

01:31:07.800 I'm truly a man of no principle.

01:31:08.840 Big Chungus sends his regards.

01:31:11.460 I hate it so much, man.

01:31:13.640 I hate it.

01:31:14.600 Have you seen any of this?

01:31:16.140 I'll play it to you after.

01:31:17.780 It's so funny.

01:31:18.580 So there's a website called Cameo where people can pay to record a video message to

01:31:23.880 someone.

01:31:24.160 And so people are like, okay, well, let's see what we can get Nigel Farage to do.

01:31:27.720 Only for 70 quid as well.

01:31:29.500 That's all the charges.

01:31:29.920 People keep, like, catching him out and making him say stuff.

01:31:32.480 It's like OnlyFans, but for celebrities.

01:31:35.940 Go on, play one.

01:31:38.880 These are all real, by the way.

01:31:40.220 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:31:41.900 James Marson, what did you do with Big Chungus?

01:31:45.560 We know you're the sus imposter, and I saw you vent in electrical.

01:31:50.260 What did you do with that wish delivery the other week, James?

01:31:55.020 Use code AMONGUS for a $20 discount on James Marson merch.

01:32:02.180 Oh, no.

01:32:03.980 Now, play on the next one.

01:32:05.720 Happy birthday, Hugh Janus.

01:32:07.300 An update for the group.

01:32:09.960 Crisis in plot land.

01:32:11.780 Ramona, Big Chungus, has launched a military coup, and only you can stop it.

01:32:17.260 Sign up to NordVPN and use the code AMONGUS to beat the totally sus Chungus.

01:32:23.920 Insane plot land.

01:32:25.260 I want to wish you, Nathan, Harry, Lynn, Araza, Grad, a great Pog day.

01:32:34.280 And I've got to tell you that Big Chungus sends his regards.

01:32:38.380 And I'm going to ask Nathan how his neighbour is doing.

01:32:41.320 This comes from Daniel.

01:32:43.400 It would be one thing, like, if he was just a TV presenter and he was doing this.

01:32:47.060 And that would be quite funny.

01:32:47.960 But it's the fact that he's positioning himself as being the saviour of Britain and of England

01:32:51.860 and occupying the space that would otherwise be occupied by somebody like Rupert

01:32:56.320 and trading on the idea that he's a serious offering for the future of this country.

01:33:00.720 I mean, we're not laughing with him here.

01:33:02.140 We're laughing with him.

01:33:02.780 We're very much at him.

01:33:03.780 He's a clown.

01:33:04.480 He's an absolute clown.

01:33:05.420 And the fact that for 70 quid, he can literally sell his dignity

01:33:09.980 and obviously roll out these clips.

01:33:13.260 It's just like, Nigel, you aren't strapped for cash.

01:33:15.700 If you were strapped for cash, I might understand it.

01:33:17.960 I think he actually just enjoys them.

01:33:19.840 I mean, maybe.

01:33:20.740 I think he just does it for the money then.

01:33:22.640 And so anyway, deeply embarrassing.

01:33:24.660 Anyway, I assume that, champs, people should go to restorebritain.co.uk?

01:33:29.620 .org.

01:33:30.080 .org.

01:33:30.440 .org.

01:33:31.460 And join us.

01:33:32.500 Yeah, £20 a year.

01:33:33.940 Very affordable.

01:33:34.980 Very affordable.

01:33:36.000 Lots to be done.

01:33:37.120 So at last count, I think we're about 65,000 members.

01:33:40.460 So if we can get it to 100,000 within, well, I mean, a few weeks, I think that's doable.

01:33:45.060 Maybe it's a bit optimistic.

01:33:45.960 But if every viewer who's watching now signs up, I mean, please do.

01:33:51.320 I mean, it has to be done.

01:33:52.660 There's no other party, no other vehicle that's going to do the things that are necessary in this country.

01:33:56.460 You've got no faith in big chungus.

01:33:58.460 I do.

01:33:58.860 You know what?

01:33:59.220 Maybe I'm being harsh.

01:34:00.420 I don't know.

01:34:01.480 Anyway, thank you for joining us, folks.

01:34:02.820 We'll see you tomorrow.

01:34:03.760 Thank you.

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The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - February 18, 2026

The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1357

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