The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1360

00:00:00.000 hello and welcome to the podcast of the lotus eaters episode 1360 for monday the 23rd of

00:00:07.320 february 2026 i'm your host luke joined today by excellent co-hosts firas and stelios

00:00:13.080 and today we're going to be talking all about the uh cartels absolutely wreaking havoc in mexico

00:00:20.660 we're then going to be talking about how the media uh basically we're gone you know they've

00:00:26.440 all joined together they've all called the banners and the waging war on restore which was inevitable

00:00:32.620 of course and then we're going to be talking about the cancellation of poland's theoden yeah one of

00:00:38.560 the great heroes of western civilization and it'll be charged in the fields of pelinor yes yes against

00:00:46.400 the orc sometimes known as vienna uh and it should be a good history cultural segment uh but also

00:00:52.000 topical as well because of stuff going on in the news uh before we get through the segment so let's

00:00:57.220 just talk about the fact that firas has a real realpolitik at three o'clock you're going to be

00:01:02.540 talking all about the most recent developments with iran yep and uh also i just wanted to draw

00:01:09.160 people's attention to the fact that uh i've had two chronicles come out and not really been here

00:01:14.340 to promote them so i just wanted to draw your attention to them because i'm really happy with

00:01:19.000 them they're good work as far as i'm concerned one is emily bronte's wuthering heights so if you don't

00:01:25.080 want to have your understanding of this classic tale tainted by the recent film that's come out

00:01:30.900 you can always go over to uh my chronicles and i'll give you a more accurate reading of what bronte

00:01:38.580 meant with this classic piece of work and the other one is a wonderful conversation that i had with

00:01:44.900 medievalist and head of the pendragon foundation nathan hood where we talked all about the classic

00:01:51.780 arthurian tale segwayne and the green knight which is a magnificent tale of fortitude of faith and you

00:02:00.080 know against temptation and about what it means to be chivalric and you know to conduct your life with

00:02:06.620 honor so if you're interested we have those for you on the website they sound wonderful um so mexico

00:02:16.060 kicked off again and uh before explaining what happened i thought it was worth going back and

00:02:22.900 giving a bit of context this is the jalisco new generation cartel led by el mencho the man that we're

00:02:30.340 going to be talking about today or whose death triggered all kinds of events in mexico today

00:02:35.860 and this is just them showing off some of their capability in 2020 so let's just have a look and

00:02:42.480 see what kind of weapons and kit they have armored vehicles heavy machine guns uh advanced personal

00:02:54.420 rifles i think this one's got a grenade launcher at the bottom of it yeah that's a grenade launcher

00:02:59.000 another one with a grenade launcher um you know some kind of anti-tank weapon at the top of that

00:03:07.320 vehicle so they are you know quite capable and quite serious and they've been ridiculously violent for

00:03:17.960 some time um worth reading a little segment here from 2003 on a quiet spring night in puebla mexico

00:03:27.160 a city characterized by the tranquil religious nature of its residents mexican special forces

00:03:33.440 soldiers discreetly surrounded the home of benjamin arelando felix at the time he was the head of the

00:03:39.980 tijuana cartel once considered the most powerful and dangerous drug trafficking organization in the

00:03:45.640 world the soldiers rapidly entered his home surprising him and his family as they were preparing for bed

00:03:51.000 and took him without a single shot yet the cartel remains alive is undergoing a process of reorganization

00:03:58.780 after felix's arrest the attorney general warned that new leaders would emerge to replace those who

00:04:05.900 have been killed or arrested such as the paradox of an increasingly punitive and militarized drug policy

00:04:11.860 coexisting with the enormous capacity of regeneration of drug trafficking organizations

00:04:16.200 this is from 2003 and they'd been fighting the cartels since 2000 when i think it was vincente fox who

00:04:25.680 took over and decided that he was going to try to crush the cartels militarily pretty much got nowhere

00:04:32.540 with it i was going to say they've been fighting them since this time and uh that fighting seems to

00:04:37.900 only be have been going in one direction it it really has been favoring the cartels more than anyone

00:04:43.180 largely because of the uh corruption of the mexican state now what happened yesterday was that the

00:04:51.580 leader of one of the most important cartels perhaps the most powerful cartel in the country got killed

00:04:57.960 and he got killed using american intelligence um he was killed in his home i think in uh tapalpa

00:05:06.920 jalisco and uh the retaliation was pretty crazy they went across almost a dozen states a third of the

00:05:17.840 states of the country by by the last count where they burnt all kinds of property attacked banks

00:05:26.800 uh that are owned by the state that are there to sort of among other things distribute pensions and pay

00:05:32.360 salaries and things of that nature they attacked an airport and you see people here running away

00:05:41.480 that's also an international airport i think that's wadalajara airport basically yes exactly

00:05:51.080 and uh they just went on a rampage there shot up the place um they did pretty much anything that

00:06:01.220 they wanted to do largely because nobody could stop them burning vehicles attacking civilian

00:06:07.340 infrastructure surrounding beaches where there were tourists and told everybody that if you got

00:06:13.800 out on the streets we're going to kill you just stay at home and as a result in around a dozen states

00:06:21.100 um the governors issued warnings saying stay at home don't you dare get out

00:06:26.460 we have no idea what to do about this now a little bit about this guy's background

00:06:32.100 um he was an illegal migrant in the united states arrested uh for being a thief went back again

00:06:44.720 arrested on drug charges three years in jail sent back to mexico what do you do after you get

00:06:51.360 arrested twice in the u.s and get sent back to mexico you join the police so he joined the police

00:06:57.300 started an avocado business joined a smaller cartel when the guy when the cartel's leadership was killed

00:07:05.280 he set off on his own and founded a new cartel went to war with the sinaloas at the time the most

00:07:13.960 powerful cartel in the country um it says initially worked under the sinaloa yeah yeah initially worked

00:07:22.100 for them and then he went to war against them because as the mexican government took out some

00:07:27.540 of the leaderships of the older cartels initially there was just a dozen more smaller cartels sprung up

00:07:34.140 and they went to war trying to figure out what to do and how to gain control of territory um

00:07:41.980 essentially this cartel is present on every continent except antarctica now and it has branches in

00:07:53.580 romania and it has branches all over the uh uh africa it has a presence in asia it's pretty much everywhere

00:08:02.300 and they when their leader was killed they pretty much sent an instruction to their special forces

00:08:09.780 saying just go and wreak as much havoc as you can around the world in those throughout mexico right

00:08:18.280 throughout mexico okay throughout mexico and uh it's not it doesn't look like the mexican state can do

00:08:25.680 anything about this they seem to have no capability to deal with them they're just going around

00:08:31.320 hunting the national guard attacking the military uh attacking prisons and releasing their captives

00:08:38.260 and they seem to have launched a full-on insurgency across the country so it's just a

00:08:45.000 mexico is just a failed state mexico is a failed state yeah mexico is a failed state

00:08:50.060 and the americans are saying that they provided the intelligence to do this but you know but the

00:08:56.720 question here arises whether it's that the state cannot do anything because it can't do or whether

00:09:03.220 it won't do because lots of the people in the state are being bribed by powerful mafia cartels

00:09:12.100 well it's interesting that's the thing because you could say for instance that the same happened in

00:09:16.800 el salvador with bukele there was this notion going around that is just unfixable it's one of the worst

00:09:24.340 and least safe places on the world and you fixed it yeah i'm going to get to exactly that point as

00:09:31.420 to what should be done about this and what is wrong with the mexican state uh but here's just another

00:09:36.700 video they took a fuel tanker parked it in the middle of the road shot the driver and then set it on fire

00:09:42.640 just to show that we can control anything that we want to control downright terrorism downright

00:09:49.940 terrorism uh attacking state banks uh burning fuel stations pretty much doing anything that they want

00:09:58.320 to do i think it's also an issue of arbitrariness here it just says that you you are never safe you're

00:10:06.520 never comfortable precisely precisely yes just a reign of terror yes mexican reign of terror and the

00:10:14.820 police are in on it because this is a phone call from the same guy to the police giving the police

00:10:22.040 orders and telling them to stand down and you know the alternative is that they get killed and the

00:10:30.120 mexican state is unable or unwilling to protect its police officers and the structure of mexico i think

00:10:36.340 there's something like 40 something states 30 40 states in mexico which means that a lot of the police

00:10:43.960 responds to the state authorities meaning that there are a lot more people that you can corrupt and bribe

00:10:50.040 essentially which is working to the advantage of the cartels

00:10:55.500 um and if you don't comply you get this here's the same cartel in uh 2025 oh i remember covering you

00:11:06.080 remember that video yeah where they just executed a candidate live a good one yeah because he was

00:11:14.180 standing up to the cartels and saying that the president of mexico gloria scheinbaum is complicit

00:11:20.140 in helping the cartels which is true and this is why you know this cartel is pretty much operating

00:11:30.300 all over mexico if they are um just a question on me uh from this actually because i'm no expert in

00:11:36.600 the mexican politics but um if it was the case that this uh recent leader has just been killed by

00:11:42.880 um you know soldiers from the mexican state then why would she do that if she i'm not obviously

00:11:48.760 yeah yeah yeah yeah what is the american pressure right american pressure means that they have to

00:11:53.860 hand over some scops sometimes when they're told to yeah okay yeah so there's another question i have

00:11:59.000 here because it seems to me that maybe i'm anticipating again the point that we are going to

00:12:03.820 go to the towards the end tell me if i do sure but if we go back to the previous link yep the um

00:12:10.800 the assassination of this candidate yes he was a candidate for mayor not a mayor yes okay yes so that

00:12:17.120 that was uh incredibly terrific i remember it so they basically eliminate them before they can take

00:12:21.620 power but that so that's the point oh you know you have heard the saying that a lion isn't concerned

00:12:27.420 with the opinions of sheep yes so healing people ma is in a sense in this case also the manifestation

00:12:37.120 of an anxiety that these people could potentially do something yes and that's why the yeah they don't just

00:12:43.460 go just do it do it out of nowhere yeah because if you're a lion and you don't care about sheep

00:12:49.900 yes so basically anybody who is peacefully opposing them gets killed and that's why mexico has this rate

00:12:57.120 of politicians getting killed and of journalists getting killed whenever they cover the cartels

00:13:01.860 and you couldn't even have local militias of just mexican civilians right it's not like america with

00:13:07.260 second amendment where well we've got our guns it's like okay yeah sure you might have your guns but

00:13:11.940 they have armored cars yes and grenades so what can you realistically do yeah but but also just i

00:13:17.560 want to say something which is going to sound a bit may it may sound a bit crazy i don't focus so much

00:13:22.560 on the psyops because people who usually do psyops online and they try to make videos of how powerful

00:13:29.980 they are they almost regularly suck at war actually the uh the the the jalisco new generation cartel

00:13:39.000 these guys have a pretty good social media game yeah and they are showing that they can back up

00:13:46.200 their threats with actions and they do that regularly and it's enabled by the mexican state

00:13:51.680 and the reason the mexican state is in the condition that it is is because the former president who groomed

00:14:00.000 gloria shinebound to be his successor uh amlo lopez operador uh was accused by the united states of taking

00:14:08.280 money from the cartels and it was published across a range of media saying that people around him

00:14:15.840 took something between two and four million dollars from the cartels and when you consider that this is a

00:14:21.920 50 60 billion dollar business this is trump change this is trump change for them and so they're able

00:14:30.220 to use their financial resources to bribe the politicians plus the cartels are in every single

00:14:37.060 business you can imagine so they're in fuel theft obviously they're in all kinds of extortion businesses

00:14:42.800 they are in even in timeshares for holiday homes and things like that they extort money from pretty much

00:14:53.100 anybody so they are uh they've diversified across a whole range of criminal activities they're even in

00:15:01.140 avocados so when you buy an avocado and you're helping the environment you might be helping a mexican

00:15:08.040 cartel just fyi in addition to destroying the environment because it requires the same amount

00:15:13.660 of water that's uh with that's about with a lot of products though with a lot of it's not just

00:15:18.940 avocado so they've taken control of huge chunks of the mexican economy and nobody can do anything

00:15:26.040 about them at this stage or this is the current perception um and so you are stuck in this mess

00:15:35.560 and it's worth mentioning here that some of this is as a result of the ukraine war

00:15:41.200 because a local mexican newspaper was quoting officials in jalisco in the state where this

00:15:53.380 cartel is strongest saying that their members along with a bunch of colombian drug traffickers and

00:16:00.040 and uh criminals were being taken to ukraine sometimes they fight sometimes they got training

00:16:08.040 as mercenaries as mercenaries and one of the things that they learned to use is how to use drones

00:16:14.280 but excuse me i have some questions here what is what is the statement made here because the statement

00:16:19.720 being made here is is a couple of things uh first that because of the criminality that is so prevalent in

00:16:27.720 ukraine they are working with other criminal groups yeah but that's just not just ukraine it's just

00:16:35.000 throughout the entire world throughout the entire world criminal groups work with each other

00:16:39.880 in ukraine it's giving them a unique opportunity where they can access the modern battlefield learn

00:16:46.360 from it get trained and come back and do things like this essentially um where they are using drones

00:17:04.280 no hold on this this is the uh the right one here you see

00:17:08.760 so look at this this is a drone controller in his hands he's piloting one drone in the air

00:17:23.800 during the fight during a gun battle and a second drone you will see it in a second is on the ground

00:17:31.240 about to be deployed and so they have learned these military tactics they form these special

00:17:41.400 forces units within the cartel with one of them being called delta i mean yeah but you frequently

00:17:48.520 have this phenomenon where you have people who are fighting in wars and then they they are saying

00:17:54.360 well the veteran pension isn't enough for me let's go somewhere where more money is given yes

00:18:00.200 yes yes yes yes it's a sad phenomenon but in this case but in this case criminal elements from

00:18:07.320 colombia and mexico are going to ukraine gaining experience and coming back with some of the

00:18:13.880 equipment and given their connections to china because they get their precursors mainly from china

00:18:19.720 and turkey and india they also end up buying chinese drones similar to the ones that are being used by

00:18:26.120 the russians and the ukrainians not yet the advanced stuff like a shahed drone but the quadcopter drones

00:18:34.760 that you can fly around and drop bombs in the enemy which are quite effective in this environment and

00:18:41.240 very effective against personnel and vehicles less effective against heavy fortifications

00:18:48.280 um so basically these guys have built an army in mexico and they've shown that they can make a third

00:18:57.400 of all states of the country shut down whenever they want to that's what what's been demonstrated and so

00:19:05.000 and because of mexico's geographical position this is uh destabilizing to both north and south america

00:19:12.360 yes i mean that's also that's also increasing the the the perceived necessity for actually doing

00:19:19.560 something about it because if you're saying there's always the limit that if you transgress it

00:19:24.920 at some point the state fights back and that's always with the with the mafias there was always this

00:19:29.720 uneasy relationship where you say all right you have a the state was willing in some cases to say you're

00:19:37.080 gonna have some small pockets in which you're gonna operate until it gave much it became much bigger

00:19:43.720 and destroyed them yep absolutely but it looks like if you're saying they are in retaliation they're just

00:19:53.160 creating a situation of emergency in 15 states of mexico yep which is seen all over the world and also

00:19:59.560 let's uh not forget that mexico is going to stage the world cup in a few months yes which is this

00:20:06.120 just communicates to the entire world that the country is unsafe it's massive completely symbol

00:20:12.520 it's very symbolic also yes yeah so but but this may increase the perceived necessity for doing something

00:20:20.920 no absolutely i mean in this report here which is from double i double s which is a serious think tank

00:20:26.520 whatever you criticism you might have against it uh they claim that they're in control of ports

00:20:32.440 or in partial control of ports up and down latin america so the level of influence that they have

00:20:40.120 is crazy i mean we know this yeah yeah and basically you have the situation where a country like brazil is run

00:20:49.400 by criminal gangs colombia is run by criminal gangs mexico is run by criminal gangs ecuador similar

00:20:56.680 problem but tamala i think the very free uh recently there was again another politician who was killed

00:21:02.920 with his wife in the other world working in the streets and we had trump release the former president

00:21:08.920 of honduras who was actually convicted of smuggling drugs through honduras so the extent of the problem of

00:21:18.280 criminality in latin america is insane and mexico just showed that when these guys want to shut down

00:21:24.920 the country they can just shut down the country and really the only answer is to execute every single

00:21:30.600 drug dealer and the only way to avoid execution should be you confess everything and then you get 10 or 20

00:21:38.840 years in jail get thrown in like el salvador exactly yeah there isn't who's but who's got the power to

00:21:46.200 implement but who's got the power to implement who's got the political will to implement it surely it

00:21:49.960 must be america well the problem is that i would bet serious money that huge numbers of american

00:21:57.400 politicians are on the payroll of the cartels already yeah which raises the following uh contingency for

00:22:04.840 the future if this uh if this uh happens also in the future this the amount of power that the cartels

00:22:13.720 are going to have on the us is going to rise exponentially exactly so if they don't stop it now

00:22:20.840 it's going to become much worse but also there's the other danger which is even more tragic is that

00:22:26.440 it could be the what it could be the case that the state takes action the state takes action against

00:22:32.360 one cartel for the sake of other cartels with the facade yes of doing something about it so it's very

00:22:40.200 like it's likely that we are going to see the state do something about it whether they're going to do

00:22:44.920 something about it that is going to improve mexico significantly or not remains to be seen absolutely

00:22:52.440 absolutely yep and so here we are over to you yeah thank you um all right no rumble rants doesn't

00:23:02.760 seem so i'll just carry on with oh there are some are there that's all right just uh hello ladies and

00:23:09.240 again we'll just sit back twiddle your thumbs we'll uh be back you got them samson that's okay yeah it's uh

00:23:15.080 uh i mean what in terms of the timeline of events though yes do you think sooner or later i don't

00:23:23.080 know how the americans are going to respond to the show of force but it's certainly a problem for them

00:23:27.880 at a time when they're planning to bomb iran but also a question before we go to the next segment do

00:23:33.240 you know much about whether there have been many victims or i haven't seen that i haven't seen a number

00:23:39.400 um el país to try to figure that out we haven't seen a clear number of victims right um sorry are

00:23:46.040 there any rumble rants samson okay well i'll just carry on with a segment and we'll uh read them from

00:23:52.200 the previous if we get through this uh all right then ladies and gentlemen so uh it's been an enjoyable

00:23:58.120 weekend and my goodness aren't the knives out for restore because you know they started off and

00:24:04.280 continue to be on a very very strong footing uh patrionic unequivocally believe in the existence

00:24:11.400 the survival of britain and its people and i think that the emphasis that restore puts on the survival

00:24:19.160 of britain as a people uh as rupert lowe said it in his original speech when he launched to restore

00:24:25.400 britain as a party is really the thing that people outside of that paradigm who don't want that to be

00:24:32.040 the case as mad as it may seem that you wouldn't want uh the british to survive in britain and to

00:24:37.720 put our own people first but there is a very powerful faction out there who do want you know

00:24:43.720 the bad ending uh when it comes to britain in the 21st century and i wanted to go back to this article

00:24:50.600 back from 2019 back when jeremy mccorbyn was defeated in the general election by boris johnson

00:24:58.360 how to how to know which one i'd be more in favor of these days of those two but nonetheless the point

00:25:04.680 is that we all and i i was guilty of this as well you know laughed at corbyn at the time for coming out

00:25:10.440 with this and just basically deriding it as cope and when corbyn said we won the argument but i regret

00:25:17.080 that we didn't convert that into a majority for change and the thing is corbyn was right he did win the

00:25:23.880 argument because all of the institutions of britain continue to govern themselves in the line of

00:25:31.000 corbyn's idea of britain multiculturalism diversity dei hires just allowing in an unlimited number of

00:25:39.400 illegal immigrants into the country and this was obviously tory failure and they should have resisted

00:25:46.120 this subversion and stopped it but they didn't because they actually agreed with it because they're

00:25:51.320 blairites in principle exactly and so we have been living in this world the one that corbyn's

00:25:58.360 argument the progressive argument won in britain for a very very long time now as you say for us

00:26:04.200 for as long as the blairite experiment has continued on for us just as little by little the progressives

00:26:10.360 have just chipped away and chipped away and chipped away and kept taking more and more uh territory you

00:26:16.200 know corrupted more and more of our institutions and made things very very hard for british people

00:26:23.240 and the reason that i bring all of this up is because restore britain has to do two things by the time

00:26:31.080 of 2029 it has to one win the election and two it must win the argument as well because if we do not

00:26:39.960 win this argument we cannot be uh forced into as reform do basically pushing away actual patriots

00:26:49.640 who care about the survival of britain and faraj played his hand very very vocally this morning

00:26:56.120 where he said that well in fact i'll just let him say it himself unless we are able to provide a proper

00:27:04.600 democratic antidote to this then i fear that we will see a rise of a really worrying dangerous form

00:27:13.720 of extreme right ethno nationalism and i think we're beginning over the last couple of weeks already

00:27:19.960 to see some specimens of it nobody nobody over the last quarter of a century has done more

00:27:27.720 to defeat the genuine intolerant abhorrent extreme far right than me

00:27:32.840 we did it with the british national party and we'll do it with whoever else follows

00:27:38.360 but it's important we get a grip on this because

00:27:41.640 there is no issue other than legal and illegal immigration that has broken the bond of trust

00:27:48.600 between the voters and those that govern us more than this issue and i have spoken out

00:27:55.560 consistently on it for now nearly 25 years but

00:28:02.360 i'll leave it there so the point that i wanted to make with this as well is the fact that he has

00:28:09.080 totally and it's obvious that he's talking about restore because they are the now the nexus of power

00:28:16.120 for putting a you know a british people first agenda and but the thing that nigel isn't understanding

00:28:22.760 here is that this idea that like reform is sorry that restore is just become like some outright venomous

00:28:29.800 hateful party just because it says we want to put our own people first right and when you actually look

00:28:36.040 at who uh restore as a party you're talking about uh deporting from the country right it is the foreign

00:28:42.600 rapists the criminals all of the illegals the people who haven't assimilated who spent all their lives on

00:28:48.360 benefits who haven't learned english and farage is coming out and dying on the hill of no we will do

00:28:55.160 whatever it takes to keep those people in the country this is incredibly predictable and this is

00:29:03.720 something i was telling many people um to be mindful of and they didn't listen to my advice because

00:29:10.840 whether they like it or not politics to a very large extent is a reputation game

00:29:16.280 the fact that you can get away with saying some things on online communities doesn't mean that you

00:29:21.640 you can get away with them uh outside these uh online communities so this was the most predictable

00:29:29.640 way the most predictable thing that was going to happen and uh i think that uh i have i have i

00:29:37.560 told you before and uh for us you don't know it but i really like robert low and i said that he does

00:29:44.680 have the he he is leadership material way before other people said this way before he left

00:29:52.280 reform reform reform uk uh i really i really think he needs to get down with the policies for reform

00:30:01.080 not just the deportation leaflet that uh came from restore britain i really want to see the policies

00:30:08.920 made but the thing is that it's incredibly that's incredibly predictable yes right and there are ways

00:30:18.040 to to fight against it both in terms of substance and in terms of tactics and i will say before the

00:30:25.240 same way i criticized lots of people with with uh with on the groiper side and and here it's there's a

00:30:31.720 difference between online presence and offline presence you don't get win elections only with

00:30:37.480 online presence but the uh the line between the two is becoming more and more well or less obvious

00:30:44.440 so there's more people we'll see about that let me try something else let me just sorry let me just

00:30:49.000 finish because i'm i'm not i'm not attacking you no no no yeah so um the same way i said this is that

00:30:56.520 if you want to enter into politics you have to think not only in terms of what helps in particular

00:31:04.600 and what works in particular online communities you have to bear in mind what works in real life

00:31:12.280 and this kind of reputation destruction thing with you know with nazism and all this thing it was a

00:31:18.520 hundred percent predictable and i will say one thing when people start saying for instance let me just

00:31:25.000 give you an example well people start saying that well you're a pdf file um if you're not you can either

00:31:32.760 start say you have you can have two two ways of acting at least two ways one is to say no you're say

00:31:39.480 you're uttering nonsense the other is to start doing the whole you know ridiculous based olympics

00:31:46.520 bs is is uh to try to accept the term and not take distance from it and start to act based

00:31:56.920 this may help in particular online communities it's about to crush you in the real world so

00:32:04.040 no it's that's all i'm gonna say i sorry what was your point going to be ferris my point was going

00:32:08.840 to be that um the issue here is claiming that any kind of ethnic identification is inherently worrying

00:32:22.200 and dangerous and associated with the bnp because the reality is that the nation is a family of families

00:32:31.160 that come from similar ancestry or the same ancestry

00:32:35.240 and that is the accepted definition globally so malaysia has very strong policies promoting the

00:32:41.800 interests of malays uh chinese investment laws are all about the interests of china

00:32:48.200 indian investment and trade laws and tariff laws are all about the interests of indians so there is

00:32:54.360 nothing original about saying that the priority of the british government is the british who are a

00:33:00.200 definable group it is neither hateful nor dangerous nor worrying the question has been for a very long

00:33:08.120 time which lies are people willing to bend the knee to and the answer is to say no lies at all and to

00:33:18.520 speak the truth as it is you can't be a trans woman in the same way that you can't be trans british

00:33:24.280 um now nationality is less binary than that because you could have mixed ancestry in which case fair

00:33:32.680 enough but the position of restore is a very sensible one if you're not contributing and you don't

00:33:39.000 integrate and you're or and or you're a criminal then you shouldn't be here which is a perfectly

00:33:45.800 moderate position which is the same law that exists in egypt where leila cunningham is from the same law

00:33:51.880 that exists in india and pakistan in india i think you can't have citizenship without ancestry

00:33:58.360 uh which is the same law in most of the world you must have ancestry to claim nationality so this isn't

00:34:07.640 controversial on principle and even then restore isn't saying everybody who doesn't have british

00:34:13.080 ancestry is being deported no what they're saying is if you're not contributing you're actively

00:34:18.600 promoting jihad and or you're a criminal then you you don't belong here and by definition

00:34:26.440 it will help a lot if uh rupert comes with very clear policies that's exactly what restore has been

00:34:33.160 saying yeah they've been saying exactly that no it's not an issue of saying it's an official voice

00:34:38.520 right right right it's not an issue of here this or that you know a media personality speaking for

00:34:44.280 restore yes it's there has to be an official voice that says we have these 10 policies or you know

00:34:51.720 yeah well i you know i i know that they're being developed but one point that i wanted to make as

00:34:56.680 well is uh with this framing with farage outlining this mission what is really the difference other

00:35:04.120 than tactics between the mission of this and hope not hate right are they not both actually after the

00:35:10.840 same thing which is to make sure that the actual british people don't have any genuinely dangerous

00:35:17.640 sorry was genuinely dangerous and what farage is saying is that he's casting it as there are two

00:35:23.320 options either blairism yeah or the far right well people are sick and tired of blairism be careful

00:35:31.080 not to will into existence the demons that you keep warning people of so restore has taken a very

00:35:38.440 sensible centrist position which makes sense for the british people calling that uh dangerous

00:35:45.240 form of ethno-nationalism is itself irresponsible because you're increasing the appeal of that which

00:35:50.600 isn't even restore policy i mean right okay i don't know if farage is a blairite but we'll we'll see

00:35:57.320 we'll see about that but when it comes to the thing from a machiavellian perspective i think it almost

00:36:03.480 always works it's the center of one area of the spectrum side of the spectrum has in a sort of

00:36:11.080 implicit alliance with the extreme part of the other bit of the other area of the spectrum why because

00:36:17.160 for instance the let's say the the really the far left is going to take votes from the left

00:36:23.960 that is is good also good news for the center right and also the center left is going to take the

00:36:31.640 the far right is also going to get votes from the center right and vice versa and that's good news

00:36:37.000 for center left and center and the far left vice versa so you could say that in some cases there is an

00:36:44.760 implicit although an unholy alliance in these cases that's why you see the the tactics but what one

00:36:51.880 thing that we do know for certain is that uh if for whatever reason the election came around uh and there

00:36:59.080 seemed to be a bit of a split and it came between reform forming a government uh but in order to do

00:37:06.120 it they had to either create an alliance with the tories or restore i don't think we actually have to

00:37:12.680 spend a long time guessing which side they would be forming the coalition with it would obviously be

00:37:17.960 the tories uh and nigel continues with each passing week to stack the party with more and more of

00:37:25.080 these tories but the other point that i wanted to make as well is that faraj talks about this worrying

00:37:31.800 dangerous rise of ethno-nationalism which is just basically recognizing that there is an ancestral

00:37:38.120 component to british identity as you point out faraj as there is to any identity and ultimately he thinks

00:37:46.520 that this is going to create something very very bad that we're going to see violence on the streets

00:37:52.600 that we're going to see all sorts of ruinous things but is that not what we've been defensively is this

00:37:58.040 not what we've been forced to watch powerless for decades now and ultimately as well and this is a

00:38:04.840 point that stelios and i talk about often what are we really fighting for ladies and gentlemen if not

00:38:11.080 character right we are doing this because we are moral upstanding people because we care about

00:38:18.040 the safety and prosperity of our children and the future generations of britain and all of these

00:38:24.520 perfectly noble pure things right none of this is even though there is a lot to be angry about and a lot

00:38:30.920 to hate i would still be on this path anyway because it is currently it is one born out of love

00:38:37.960 for the particular isms of home first and foremost and not against uh not uh framed by vengeance and when

00:38:47.240 we get to this point about well corbyn saying we won the argument the argument that we are having is

00:38:53.880 simply that those who have existed here for generations and generations who have made england into the

00:39:00.920 the envy of the world and is the reason why beyond 10 million people have wanted to come here other

00:39:06.920 than the benefits uh since the beginning of the 21st century is because our ancestors did such a

00:39:12.920 wonderful job making it and we simply want to pass it down to our children as well and so all of a

00:39:20.040 sudden we see the as i said the knives coming out and just pay attention here to articles from the

00:39:27.080 telegraph where they were talking about rupert lowe because you can see here there is uh october the

00:39:35.000 first uh 2025 november uh 26th and then there is an enormous gap right up until rupert starts making

00:39:43.960 this new party again but there was actually something else that happened in the middle of all this which

00:39:49.240 was quite important and that was the fact that rupert lowe and sammy woodhouse and many other good people

00:39:55.880 led an independent rape gang inquiry into the worst crime that has happened in britain up and down the

00:40:02.040 country the telegraph never reported on that the telegraph never once mentioned it but nonetheless

00:40:07.960 let's hear them out and let the telegraph explain to us why they're somehow the moral voice in all of

00:40:14.200 this because tim stanley uh just uh this morning i believe it was or yesterday wrote this piece saying

00:40:20.680 reform is turning into a tories 2.0 and that is a tragedy but restore britain is not the answer it

00:40:27.640 has become a magnet for angry young men with very short hair i mean it's not really trying to say

00:40:36.440 yeah yeah it's not really but but the the point just sorry just go on a second

00:40:41.800 because so if i grow my hair because okay i don't understand no don't grow my hair no i shouldn't

00:40:48.840 where does harry fit into all of this start wig maxing or something what i wanted to say is that

00:40:54.760 look at the the phrasing the angry young men and blah blah it's just yeah sometimes you can be

00:41:00.360 justifiably angry well this is the point isn't it as well he's trying to make angry synonymous with

00:41:07.240 illegitimate right he's trying to say oh if you're angry then you're too hot-headed you couldn't

00:41:13.000 possibly be looking at this rationally you know you you can't be trusted to deal with this let the

00:41:18.520 grown-ups in the room who write for the telegraph and don't report on rape gangs be the voice of

00:41:23.400 reason here this is the thing wrath is a sin righteous anger is not righteous anger against real

00:41:30.520 injustice like the rape gangs is actually a key defining feature of having any kind of morality

00:41:39.960 whereas ignoring an injustice at the scale of the rape gangs shows low character so it's not just low

00:41:49.400 carriers just monstrous it's monstrous it's generally so i mean this is the kind of things that things

00:41:56.600 people should be about exactly should be angry about exactly and the idea that you can just sort

00:42:01.240 of try to brush this under the carpet and not report on it because it's rupert lowe who's reading

00:42:06.920 leading the charge shows that you are not to be taken seriously on any question of morality and the

00:42:13.880 fact that reform wouldn't engage with this inquiry as well because it might harm them politically or make

00:42:21.080 it look like there might be a more competent politician in the room again i'm sorry that's

00:42:26.600 not an acceptable excuse it's and it's not an acceptable compromise it's i mean even kemi to her

00:42:33.080 credit supported the rape gang inquiry yeah the fact that farage didn't shows a level of moral

00:42:41.720 complicity that is just stunning uh so and then you have the telegraph saying well you know don't look at

00:42:49.480 rupert lowe because we've ignored his rape gang inquiry i mean who are you to police opinions when

00:42:54.360 you when when your morality is in this situation with the um and as you say that the uh the sort of

00:43:00.760 like you know mid-20th century german uh illusions there with the very short hair i won't bring up the

00:43:06.520 fact tim that you only ever refer to kemi badenhocker's mummy in your articles i'll just skip past that but

00:43:12.520 um the other thing to say is that so let's start going through it as well because this is in a way

00:43:17.800 a fascinating article by tim stanley because really he starts out by talking about i'll won't read it

00:43:24.600 extensively for the sake of time but he talks about the fact that you know it originally seemed like

00:43:29.560 reform uh might change you know the current settlement with the obr and they might actually

00:43:35.160 bring the bank of england back under some sense of uh you know government oversight and obviously after

00:43:41.560 what happens where they cooed all those trusts which is the way it was since the bank of england

00:43:45.400 was founded in 1600s yes so like you know we've had this brief interregnum where the bank of england

00:43:52.280 ran amok inflation exploded debt exploded monetary policy went to hell and therefore restoring what was

00:44:01.080 the norm for 300 years is far right i don't understand the logic i don't understand what's being said

00:44:09.080 no i mean the obr dates to what george osborne who was literally peter mandelson's best friend

00:44:16.040 come on guys and he goes on to say uh he goes on to say himself i doubt nigel farage will win the

00:44:21.400 gorton and denton by-election this thursday reform's classic voter is poor and white in manchester the

00:44:28.040 whites are rich and the poorer asian so again just accepting the fact just say he's already accepting

00:44:35.880 that there are just ethnic voter blocks that will not support reform not just that he's saying that

00:44:43.480 the only people who have to suffer the consequences of diversity yes are poor whites yes and then he's

00:44:51.080 using that as a platform to attack restore which says look the consequences of diversity have in some

00:44:57.640 cases been horrific and the legitimacy of the attack is based on what exactly like restore is saying we

00:45:07.400 need to take care of poor whites so that their daughters don't get raped and abused and tim stanley's

00:45:13.400 position is this it's far right to protect white girls apparently so explain the logic here walk me

00:45:20.920 i'm stupid explain it to me well he also goes on to say as well that uh that's why um sorry what to

00:45:30.280 do this week's uh daily tea podcast will feature a pollster scarlett mcguire who says voters admire

00:45:36.280 farage's convictions but believe he lacks two things policies and the team and that's why he's hiring so

00:45:43.000 many ex-tories and calling it a shadow cabinet uh robert jenrich auditioned to be chancellor recently gave

00:45:49.000 a keynote speech at the glamorous uh uh playster's hall in london and it was not your usual reform

00:45:55.720 crowd no cabbies no dockers just floppy-haired boys in shirts by thomas pink moneyed youth flocked

00:46:02.520 flocking to a winner like gulls around a whale yeah but tim you say this they're flocking to a winner

00:46:09.000 but what is your qualification for winning in this you've already accepted that there are entire ethnic

00:46:15.000 voter blocks in britain that are not going to touch anything that is painted slightly with a veneer of

00:46:23.320 british patriotism and you're saying that the whites who can afford to move away from these enclaves all

00:46:30.760 do but only the left behind poor stick around and you're saying that they the there should be no regard for

00:46:39.400 these poor whites because is it because they're poor because they're white which one is the

00:46:44.760 disqualification that do like what makes them more inhuman and less worthy of of concern their poverty

00:46:51.560 or their whiteness um and another point that i just wanted to add here whereas it says enter rupert lowe

00:46:57.720 a former reform mp who has launched the rival restore britain party and already claims around 80 000

00:47:04.120 members this schism is personal so he's trying to again just uh tarnish restore and just dismiss it

00:47:11.000 as oh it's just uh it's just one big revenge on nigel farage no it isn't it's entirely dedicated to

00:47:18.680 farage's obvious failure failures that you are chronicling in your own article tim where you're

00:47:25.080 saying look he's he's disappointed on this he's not going he's going to keep the bank of it

00:47:29.480 england independent no we're going to continue to have sectarian voter blocks in every single

00:47:35.640 by-election and constituency up and down britain as time goes on more and more and it says here uh

00:47:42.840 lowe seems to have fallen foul of nigel and zeer youssef a speech rupert gave calling for mass

00:47:47.800 deportations was used as an excuse to boot him out of the party yes and i really want to make clear on

00:47:54.680 that point as well uh the reason most likely that rupert was kicked for a mass deportation speech

00:48:01.080 is not because of the use of the technical language after all zeer youssef nigel farage

00:48:05.960 all of the rest of them they've been able to say mass deportations many many times over now the reason

00:48:11.720 that they um kicked rupert from the party was because rupert actually believed in them right that's

00:48:19.080 why they kicked him because they knew that rupert would actually want to implement the policy and he

00:48:24.200 wasn't just using them as mere populist talking points to garner voters that he can then uh betray

00:48:30.840 and disappoint exactly like we've just had from 14 years of tory misgovernance and so all of these

00:48:37.720 things come together and as morgoth points out here what the true article is called is just my message

00:48:44.440 to old people on the right do not join an actual right-wing party outside of the containment zone and

00:48:50.920 it absolutely is a containment zone because it is uh and you can see here as well it came out from

00:48:57.720 spiked and uh they collaborated with matt goodwin to do an interview and then gb news as well where

00:49:03.960 anne widdicombe also said oh yes i've looked at restore and it's just not plausible there and she

00:49:09.400 just seems to make a lie uh that suggests that restore think they're going to be able to deport two

00:49:15.080 million people in 24 hours which knowing harrison uh i don't think someone of his temperament and

00:49:22.120 understanding of the political climate would ever suggest that so it's all obvious nonsense the thing

00:49:29.000 is anne widdicombe used to be the butt of every joke on have i got news for you and she was

00:49:36.280 characterized as the you know most evil older right winger for decades and for her to now sort of

00:49:45.240 make this concession is okay i mean it's just not worth it um i will just say one more thing from the

00:49:52.920 telegraph article as well which was where at the very end it says let me address my conclusion to the

00:49:58.200 sane young sane young people who i know and like and who i've seen signing up to restore don't do it if you

00:50:05.800 join reform now and help it to win you could be an elected uh be elected an mp or working as a spad

00:50:12.680 in government within a few years getting stuff done stick with low who could say something truly mad

00:50:19.720 that will destroy your reputation by association and you will waste the very best years of your life

00:50:26.200 on the lost cause i mean i personally take that as a threat right he's just saying we will make

00:50:32.360 life hell for you if you go down this road he's saying that if you admit the reality that britain

00:50:39.560 is for the british we are going to destroy your reputation and make sure that you don't have a

00:50:44.040 career he's admitting that this is a standard practice because otherwise why would he say it

00:50:51.080 and he's using it as a way to promise people i'll give you power if you compromise with me but all the

00:50:58.440 same it's not this is how we got here in the first place but it's not power is it i mean really because

00:51:03.720 it's not exactly it's not i'll give you importance yes i'll give you a position on a good pay i'll

00:51:10.200 massage your ego yes and nothing will change and nothing will change so that's that's the devil's

00:51:15.960 bargain because you know where people who actually do want to commit to change actual meaningful change

00:51:21.640 that will save britain go from reform they get kicked out of it as beau got kicked out of it as

00:51:27.080 rupert got kicked out of it as ben got kicked out of it as dan got kicked out of it and so many more

00:51:32.520 people in nigel farage's storage history of um confrontation with people who outshine him and who

00:51:41.400 actually want to as i say create some meaningful change and so we also got here as well the fact that

00:51:47.640 now because of restore entering the fray all of a sudden this complacency that had been around

00:51:54.840 reform for quite a long time they've suddenly had to shake it off and go oh good god we actually have

00:51:59.640 to fight for these people's votes all of a sudden and what isn't interesting that when you put them

00:52:05.720 into that frame of mind they immediately tack to the right and not the center as is where they say that

00:52:12.760 the votes actually are to be gained and we see here sorry were you gonna say that's what i was saying

00:52:18.760 before that you know when you have parties on the right they're essentially fishing from the same pond

00:52:25.240 also that's for with parties on the left yes they fish from the same pond that's why they are but i

00:52:32.120 want to say one thing because i i'm looking at it i i think from uh multiple angles listen

00:52:40.680 with a no gatekeeping thing people who are they people can be simultaneously pro-tribalism and

00:52:48.600 against gatekeeping tribalism involves gatekeeping oh yeah absolutely so the and also the people who

00:52:55.480 are very frequently banging the drum of no gatekeeping they can't shut up about who to gatekeep

00:53:02.600 so it's not about whether people gatekeep it's about who controls the key any movement should have some

00:53:08.360 kind of gatekeeping yes so no no that's why you always see people on the right attacking people

00:53:14.760 on the right and people on the left attacking people on the left and and i want to say something

00:53:18.920 because this actually makes me a bit um you know furious at some point is just when was the last time

00:53:27.000 that if we take particular figures when was the last time they focused on the left

00:53:31.560 particular figures from from it that's something that actually drives me very mad it's like for the

00:53:38.920 last year and this is going to continue also now in the us because they're going to have republican

00:53:44.120 primaries a lot this is going to happen it's just almost no one focuses on the left

00:53:50.040 if you're on the conservative side the actual one well absolutely right we uh do we do enough to attack

00:53:55.240 the left uh wait wait wait that wasn't what i what i was talking about the fo it's the folks of

00:54:03.320 the attack and the criticism right okay uh sorry i've realized i've scattered about a bit on this

00:54:08.680 segment but there is another point as well from spiked as well where i just wanted to draw in a matt

00:54:13.000 goodwin quote which he gives in the article where he talks about um his recent campaigning in gorton

00:54:18.280 and denton and obviously the fact that he's had quite a bit of support from the c community

00:54:22.920 and he goes um goodwin goes on to say the question i would have for some people on the

00:54:27.720 right is what do you think would have happened with brexit if you'd have run a rupert lowe style

00:54:32.760 campaign it wouldn't have gotten anywhere close to 50 percent because we know one third of uh

00:54:39.000 minority brits came out and said no we want national sovereignty we want to end uh mass immigration

00:54:45.400 and we want to put the tax-paying hard-working majority first what would their version of that

00:54:50.440 campaign have looked like it would have been a five percent campaign one thing that i want to

00:54:55.480 point out in there is that implicit in it is the fact that he by saying because we know that one

00:55:00.360 third of minority brits that came out and said no that the implication is two thirds come out and said

00:55:05.720 yes right and said no we are actually pro uh britain's sovereignty being stolen by europe and all these

00:55:13.400 sorts of things so it goes to show that actually in the majority of cases uh foreigners are ideologically

00:55:20.360 opposed with globalism and the erosion of our borders uh but the other point as well that i wanted

00:55:25.400 to add was just that all of if restores policies are so wrong so bad and then just one step away from

00:55:34.200 being brown shirts why do reform just keep copying them in a sort of semi-skimmed milk sort of way because

00:55:42.280 we have here again restore put forward a um a policy about imposing uh visas from certain countries and

00:55:50.120 now reform have followed it up and we also say here uh they'll protect uh the christian heritage

00:55:57.560 of the united kingdom well that was something that restore recently came out from as well and the other

00:56:03.880 point that i want to add is just that this isn't they're all missing the point and this is why

00:56:11.320 it comes down to as i keep coming back to the argument about who is british and who is this

00:56:17.560 election being fought for because ultimately z yusuf can say oh well we'll preserve britain's

00:56:24.520 heritage and they talk about the fact that they would um simply upgrade uplist uh all of the churches

00:56:30.280 around britain so that they can't be changed so that they can't be converted into mosques and all these

00:56:35.080 sorts of things it's like okay fine that that is a that is a fine policy that's a perfectly fine policy

00:56:41.560 but it doesn't stop the people from burning the churches down does it because they've been listed

00:56:46.840 in a certain way right and this is the underlying issue the actual antagonism by foreign forces and

00:56:53.880 this isn't something you know just um particular to britain as well this is particularly infamous by

00:57:00.360 now in france uh where churches are going up almost every other week i mean one of the contributing

00:57:06.120 causes to the first crusade was the attempt by the fatimid caliph to destroy the church of the holy

00:57:11.960 sepulcher yes so it's right an older problem than that shall we say and then you get all of these cases

00:57:21.560 where unfortunately churches are put up for sale and the developers burn them down because they they

00:57:28.680 can bring down the price like there's a reality here that isn't being tackled by saying you know

00:57:35.080 we're going to save the culture we're going to promote the culture muhammad zia dean yusuf is

00:57:38.680 going to promote christian culture okay fair enough maybe yeah and so my message to people is just uh

00:57:45.560 genuinely what do you have to lose and at the end of the day all of their messaging around restore is

00:57:51.880 incoherent on the one hand they want to paint them out as villainous neo-nazis and say that their

00:57:57.960 policies uh beyond the pale and then simultaneously just adopt each one of their policies because they

00:58:05.160 see that they're popular and at the same time as we've said all all they are their entire project

00:58:11.160 is predicated on denying you a right that is owed to you which is to have yourself recognized as the

00:58:18.040 actual british people of this land and as we say time and time again is no unique thing and is an

00:58:24.680 extension and courtesy that any people should be entitled to in their homeland whatever part of

00:58:30.680 the world they hail from and so there is nothing evil going on here there is nothing dubious or

00:58:36.920 underfoot and why would you not want to put your faith in the people who have actually stood up and

00:58:43.160 will will carry out the policies that they're saying they're not trying to just placate you win the

00:58:48.840 election and then you may get 10 of it and then a bit of red meat when the next election

00:58:54.600 comes around and by the way if we don't get on this now uh 2034 is going to look like a much

00:59:02.440 worse england than it does even now if we don't get on top of this and tackle it from the root

00:59:08.840 in real time and so i would encourage everyone once again please if you haven't done it it's a monday

00:59:15.000 it's a wonderful time to go and join restore britain for 20 pounds a year and put your money

00:59:20.760 to people whose trust is actually earned right who are worthy of your trust and your representation

00:59:28.360 and so go and join restore britain because this is the movement and we can win this

00:59:35.000 all right i will be we have some of the comments yeah i'll just scroll through them i expect there's

00:59:43.880 oh go on then ferris may i just yes of course i wish you could slide it like a hockey puck yeah

00:59:50.760 from one side to uh so uh just from your segment uh hapsification says if the cartels are smart

00:59:56.840 uh they better behave them during the world cup because if they don't it'll give them uh everyone

01:00:02.360 a casus belly uh anime extremist says uh you mentioned uh gripers uh you want to keep far away from

01:00:11.160 well they're not really relevant anime because they're in america so i'll um and for the sake of

01:00:17.240 time i hope i'd mean you no disrespect sir uh five dollars uh dwight uh powers says how do i send a

01:00:23.960 video comment into the show uh i managed to stitch farage up with a cameo message the other day and

01:00:30.760 want to send it in after i figured out how to clip it uh i don't know samson can you deal with that one

01:00:36.680 for me please and thank you uh well hopefully it just shows farage that actually he shouldn't be

01:00:43.960 wasting his time on cameo no i suspect if he's not learned after six years he never will all right

01:00:50.040 then still yes europeans have complete sorry we don't have my links oh thanks mate

01:01:01.640 okay right so europeans have completely lost their minds with uh cultural affairs and also their

01:01:07.640 identity they have forgotten who they are to a very large extent and this makes them incredibly

01:01:13.640 vulnerable to subversion and when it comes to subversion it's subversion across several levels

01:01:19.960 and in plain fields and it's also uh legal legal right and woke the human rights regime yeah wokeness

01:01:30.520 also for instance and all these notions all these phobias like islamophobia are are creating an

01:01:38.040 environment where that is so subjective or almost everything can be targeted as being against the

01:01:43.880 law which makes a very arbitrary environment and only the political friends of the governments can get

01:01:51.720 away with it those who are political enemies of the government are essentially being targeted by

01:01:57.240 these laws and these laws are aren't just an issue of of saying do not offend this or that person

01:02:04.040 where you can absolutely do this it's also an issue of forget your culture and forget your cultural

01:02:10.520 debts to other people and also forget who you were forget where you come from forget for instance that

01:02:17.320 europe to a very large extent is a christian continent um you can talk about atheism but europe

01:02:23.720 is to a very large extent um christian especially when it comes to culture and this time we're going

01:02:29.800 to talk about something that is a very interesting topic and suggests a huge amount of subversion in

01:02:36.440 vienna especially in austria and i will talk about the polish theoden as we call them as if you know the

01:02:44.760 lord of the rings i think tolkien as you also told me was inspired by the king we are going to talk about

01:02:52.520 when he was writing about the roherium and theoden particularly and we are going to talk about this

01:02:58.840 monumental battle in european history in 1683 what happened and how from 1683 we come to 2026

01:03:07.800 vienna 2026 austria and this kind of ridiculous state that we are in right now so do you know the name

01:03:16.920 john the third sobieski i do bit of a chat yeah king of the polish lithuanian commonwealth he he led

01:03:25.080 the roherium the og winged has the wings for sales yes against the against the ottoman army that was

01:03:31.560 besieging vienna by the time and what is in a nutshell happening here is that the polish have built a

01:03:38.520 statue of john iii sobieski and they want to give it to to the to the austrians to put it on the very hill

01:03:46.600 where where you know history was made and wonderful saved yeah and who wouldn't want that you have to

01:03:56.200 remember the significance of this after that siege of vienna it triggered a series of military defeats

01:04:03.160 for the ottomans and for the muslims in general they had been surging for a thousand years and slowly

01:04:10.440 attacking christendom one time after another uh obviously the most devastating blow being two

01:04:16.680 years before that in the capture of constantinople and since then they had 150 in 1450 yeah uh so 200

01:04:27.480 years before yeah uh until then they had been sort of they had defeated the russians and taken ukraine

01:04:35.960 they had gone into bulgaria and romania and they were literally at the gates of vienna being the

01:04:42.040 center of christendom at the time and the the air of the only of you know the heirs of the roman empire

01:04:48.520 the holy roman empire so that defeat began a cascade of events that ended with the colonization of the

01:04:56.600 middle east which was part of a series of wars that began with the rise of islam itself so john

01:05:03.560 subieski's role here is like that of charlemagne literally charles martel and charles and charles

01:05:09.720 martel yeah yeah charles martel i'd say it's more accurate say charles martel in this correct correct

01:05:14.040 correct literally you could say you know you know savoy had more uh success later on okay but literally

01:05:23.320 a savior of christendom yes also one of the direct consequences was the establishment of the holy league

01:05:28.840 in 1684 a year afterwards so who doesn't want this to be commemorated who actually thinks it's

01:05:35.480 islamophobia well the people who lost that day yeah exactly yeah but from a from a from an austrian

01:05:42.440 perspective why would you want to commemorate a symbol of resistance against brutal expansionism

01:05:51.400 because that's what uh john the third sobieski represents here yeah right let's see what happened

01:05:56.920 here vienna cancels statue of polish kings over islamophobia fears vienna rejects sobieski monument

01:06:04.840 due to extremism fears let's say what they say here let me tell you they say vienna has rejected

01:06:11.720 long-standing calls to erect a monument to john the third sobieski the polish king celebrated as the

01:06:17.800 liberator of vienna for holding ottoman forces from invading the city in the 17th century the city

01:06:24.120 announced that the proposed monument set for kalenberg hill in the 19th district where the historic battle

01:06:31.800 took place would uh or could be instrumentalized for xenophobic agitation or to stoke anti-islamic and

01:06:40.120 anti-turkish sentiments according to cultural counselor veronica kaup hasler of the social democrat party

01:06:49.320 may i interrupt here for a moment the the message here is that if you remember your history you will

01:06:57.160 understand how humiliated you are today and you will understand how unnatural today's world is that

01:07:05.320 that's the subtext i don't think that this is it because it's not centered around you not feeling bad

01:07:12.760 comparing your present with a glorious past it's much more an issue of multiculturalism and i will

01:07:20.040 show you even more that it's going to anger both of you right so let's look at it but let's look at

01:07:24.680 this here the justification for not doing it is it could be instrumentalized for xenophobic agitations

01:07:31.880 or to stoke anti-islamic and anti-turkish sentiment may i just say it could apply for everything yes

01:07:38.360 well may i just say which takes me back sir it takes me back to the point i was saying before

01:07:43.240 it's entirely selective application wokeness and the alliance between the way between uh you know

01:07:51.480 islamic extremists and and communists islamic communism they are creating this kind of environment

01:07:59.960 where you're guilty you're where the presumption of innocence turns into the presumption of guilt guilt

01:08:06.920 you are guilty and if we like you we may grant you permission to carry on without but the framework

01:08:14.680 is a framework that says well you're guilty because because you violate the the rules we are setting you

01:08:23.800 because what you're doing could be involved in extremism could stoke agitation everything could even

01:08:31.640 talking about a crime could do this so he's talking about a crime uh um something that they they

01:08:38.760 shouldn't do is austria are the social democrats of austria saying that people shouldn't report on crimes

01:08:46.120 committed by uh people of muslim origin in austria because it could be instrumentalized for xenophobic

01:08:54.120 agitation well that was why the british state tolerated the rape gangs so your question is not far

01:09:00.040 off from reality it is literally reality yeah but also i'm trying to i'm trying to show from a very

01:09:05.880 logical perspective to not to people who are you know that in the world left us but to people who are

01:09:12.520 um taped into it yeah people who just are a bit naive but may i just say something as well on the on

01:09:19.880 the anti-turkish sentiments which is the fact that the whole premise of multiculturalism obviously i i

01:09:28.120 understand that it's just innately anti-white because it's only the white countries that actually

01:09:33.720 have to accept it or are told that they have to accept it for their own enrichment but obviously

01:09:39.400 it works on the proviso that actually once we come here we're kind of shorn of our histories in some

01:09:45.080 way right like londoners right londoner used to mean people from generations of families who'd lived in

01:09:52.040 london now a londoner is literally someone who just arrives there yesterday and all of a sudden

01:09:57.880 you've got this new identity it's like a clean slate and all of a sudden you're just this thing and

01:10:03.160 actually in doing that it obviously there's like a french revolution style the old london like the old

01:10:08.920 regime the old london and then there's a new multicultural london and what it is saying is that

01:10:15.240 if we put these old heroes up on statues in the past and it reminds them that there's actually a

01:10:21.400 history there of where they come from that the turkish people living in austria should be immediately

01:10:29.240 provoked by something that happened 350 years ago and that actually no amount of multiculturalism can

01:10:36.680 ever override that because a turk is naturally going to look at that and so they accept the continuity of

01:10:43.160 civilizations they accept yes that the past the grievances of all of these people and that

01:10:49.080 actually these are reasons to muster the spirit and make you irate about things it says here that's

01:10:56.040 an article from the european conservative definitely check it out it's by where should they have where do

01:11:03.640 they have this says a tbc news i think

01:11:09.480 it's a good artist it's a right so it says here austria social democratic councillor calls plan the

01:11:15.320 historical monument islamophobic and further reasons they have been given for it as i said before it's

01:11:21.000 the political instrumentalization the rhetoric of victory the city government has pushed for a memorial

01:11:27.560 of peace say rather than a traditional military monument arguing that celebrating a 17th century

01:11:36.200 triumph over an islamic empire is triumphalist and doesn't fit the city's

01:11:40.840 bond multicultural identity sorry who was the aggressor in this war are they forgetting that

01:11:46.120 it was the turks that came to austria are they forgetting that the turks just

01:11:49.640 took aya sofia and made it into a mosque again out of triumphalism and that no turk yeah also i don't

01:11:59.000 think that uh the there have been also turkish people involved here i don't think that they are

01:12:06.040 campaigning for taking statues of turkish and ottoman conquerors down in turkey i don't i haven't heard

01:12:14.520 of them no saying so and i would expect the turkish states media production is focused on promoting

01:12:21.240 the greatness of the ottomans and they do it in all kinds of tv shows that then get dubbed into a

01:12:26.680 million other languages and sold across the world yeah and here we have the and also the the of course

01:12:34.360 it's the association with the far right again it would stoke far-right extremism well as we were

01:12:41.160 you know just chuckling in the office how else do you interpret what went on at vienna that it's

01:12:47.560 literally about defending your own city we have here um aslihan bosat emur she's an espier that's

01:12:55.000 the social democrat party of austria a city councilor and member of it says here a member of parliament i

01:13:01.000 checked it's not the austrian parliament she's a member of the vienna council and state parliament

01:13:06.520 they say it's not the austrian parliament but she's very much involved into into the the part

01:13:11.720 the social democrat party it says in vienna there is no place for a monument that promotes xenophobia

01:13:17.240 islamophobia or anti-turkish sentiment that was literally the defining feature of the habsburg

01:13:23.080 empire for centuries yes yeah who did the habsburgs fight most against they fought against the bourbons

01:13:29.880 and the turks these were always there and we i will say something about louis the 14th

01:13:36.760 later on who has many fans and i'm not a fan but i will say no no you're right i know where you're going

01:13:43.560 yeah you anticipated what i'm gonna say right so um and i checked out she is in austria she is of

01:13:52.280 turkish descent and she is seen as the bridge of the os between the austrian and the turkish community

01:14:00.040 and she's as i say she's campaigning her campaigns are focused a bit more on women

01:14:05.400 so as in but the point is that she is promoting also that line and also the communists and the

01:14:15.400 socialists and in this case they say the social democrat party are saying this and what is the issue

01:14:20.760 here is that john the third sobieski is not some i don't understand the bitterness here no i mean i i

01:14:27.800 i get it but it's it's it's not that john the third sobieski is someone who won the ottomans there

01:14:37.000 and then proceeded to destroy the the ottoman empire and you know they'd say well no he he also attacked us

01:14:43.560 he's a symbol of resisting brutal expansionism so uh people don't and they're all such fans of

01:14:52.840 anti-colonialism too so i'm sure they have no problem yeah yeah yeah also so the sobieski statue is

01:14:59.800 in krakow now it's ready but the austrians aren't accepting an awesome statue too yeah it's in krakow now

01:15:06.680 but the austrians haven't accepted it yet they're saying that they're gonna not going to accept it

01:15:12.520 for this happens for years by the way it didn't happen right now it's an ongoing issue and uh here's

01:15:19.960 the this uh here is this politician i mentioned you before and one thing i want to say here i want to

01:15:27.160 talk a bit about the city of vienna and also show that the umayyad caliphate wasn't the only uh case of

01:15:35.400 muslim expansionism brutal expansionism in in europe um for us you know it uh yeah you know it luca but

01:15:45.000 lots of people don't know it and uh they talk about the umayyad caliphate and the battle of tours

01:15:51.000 in 77 32 a.d where charles martel won the umayyad caliphate and what happened there is just

01:16:01.400 it stopped the further muslim expansion and then there was the spanish reconquista but there were

01:16:07.480 other um issues here that was you know the britannica entry for the battle of tours here there was also

01:16:14.280 the muslim cecily people don't know that the first reconquista wasn't the spanish it was the norman

01:16:19.640 reconquista of sicily yes started from the 1060s and ended in 1091 the the the muslims invaded sicily

01:16:30.200 and the um in 8 27 a.d they conquered it by 902 a.d and then the normans uh got it back in the late

01:16:40.760 11th century that's the reconquista and so there has been expansionism that lots of leftists don't want

01:16:48.680 people to remember and when they talk about colonialism they forget the umayyad caliphate

01:16:54.200 they forget the the um well they don't forget they ignore yeah but also they they also forget

01:17:01.640 other cases where where europe was invaded like you can talk about persians in the uh fifth century a.d

01:17:10.600 no bc you could talk about mongols you could talk about lots of people and also here the siege of

01:17:17.160 vienna was an incredibly important case because it saved uh crescendo and it also saved europe as we

01:17:25.880 know today because even if europe isn't as for instance leopold i who was the habsburg emperor at

01:17:34.200 the time wanted it to be um it would be different if the ottomans conquered it and look at it here

01:17:44.040 the battle of vienna happened here in vienna and it was an incredibly strategic point because had they

01:17:51.240 conquered vienna it would be much easier for them to invade france germany italy so europe would be

01:17:59.400 completely unrecognizable and one thing to say is that people who uh have visited here people who

01:18:06.440 have visited the balkans or know a thing or two about the balkans here would understand how being

01:18:12.600 colonized by the ottomans was very different to being colonized by other forces yes yes it could

01:18:19.000 essentially sometimes create good infrastructure because people talk about colonialism all the time

01:18:25.400 the same people who are tell you to telling you to forget this kind of colonialism are also decrying

01:18:31.240 other forms of colonialism that created chaos after their withdrawal there's lots of that's a sad

01:18:39.480 phenomenon you see after decolonialism lots of lots of countries have this have collapsed into chaos

01:18:47.720 think of haiti for instance oh yeah just we have general barbecue now just roaming the streets it's

01:18:53.560 it's not a good place to be so look this was the extent of um of the ottoman expansion in europe in 1683

01:19:03.560 and what happened there in the battle of vienna is actually really interesting because the

01:19:11.880 the 17th century was incredibly bad for europeans yes we have to say this um it's not the first k time

01:19:19.000 where the the the ottomans tried to take vienna that was also there was also famous siege that failed

01:19:25.720 1529 by slayman the magnificent but what was interesting in particularly in um in 17th centuries

01:19:33.960 that the 17th century is is a horrific century for for europeans because there was a 30 years war

01:19:40.520 and then there was after there there were so many other conflicts and there were really bad harvests

01:19:48.600 it was just a nightmarish century which were a lot of witches at that time you know which is many such

01:19:54.280 cases but also it was such a bad century that it it it allowed the the ottomans to play balance of

01:20:03.320 power against the europeans yeah and as very uh correctly for us pointed before the french had the

01:20:10.120 habit of teaming up with the ottomans and louis the 14th was invited by leopold the first in the in

01:20:18.680 the hat of the habsburg empire to aid the chris the christian effort there and he declined

01:20:26.680 interesting and at that point he was helped by the papal state here and the pope at that time was pope

01:20:32.200 innocent the 11th and also by the polish uh lithuanian commonwealth and what happened was that the the

01:20:40.600 the that was a mistake a mistake from your perspective it wasn't a mistake but it did

01:20:46.520 contribute there leopold the first wanted to repeat what i think ferd ferdinand the third or the second

01:20:53.720 tried to do when he when the the 30 years war started he tried to impose catholicism throughout the empire

01:21:02.600 and that led lots of protestants in hungary rebel team up with the ottomans and it created a sort of

01:21:10.040 um you know havoc there and they teamed up with the ottomans and they they were besieging to do

01:21:16.680 they were besieging vienna you're telling me that heretics behaved like heretics yes

01:21:21.720 there were products to their credit there were protestants who aided the

01:21:25.080 there were good people on both sides

01:21:30.760 right okay but what was happening is that the turks did a um a strategic mistake in negotiation

01:21:37.240 they told the austrians that if they that they should surrender unconditionally that if they resisted

01:21:43.800 they would be completely annihilated this isn't the kind of message you want to get across if you don't

01:21:49.000 want the other person to fight like hell yes because the other person is going to actually

01:21:54.200 think well i either going to flee which leopold the first did also 60 000 of the other viennese did

01:22:00.520 with him but those who stay they fought like hell because they said well i mean death in battle is much

01:22:05.480 preferable to to serve them and and torture ottomans and enslavement so what happened was that after two

01:22:12.680 months of uh siege the uh lots of forces came from the german states from the papal states and from the

01:22:19.640 polish uh lithuanian kingdom and john the third sobieski had cobra patience and uh he he really had

01:22:30.040 the um the he was tenacious he also had the wisdom to strike at the right time and that was the largest

01:22:38.600 cavalry uh charge in history i think it still is isn't it as well yes still and they completely destroyed

01:22:45.000 the the army it started flat fleeing and uh yeah that was that was it is essentially this is a symbol

01:22:53.000 of defense against brutal expansionism and they for the left that's not except for the left that's

01:23:00.440 unacceptable you should simply and it's just islamophobies so if you protest according to the

01:23:06.920 to the social democrats of austria if you protest against brutal expansionism and you don't and you

01:23:13.640 want to commemorate a symbol of resistance to brutal expansionism you're an islamophobe you're far right

01:23:21.720 and the fact that they come down on it so hard goes to show that actually even though it is 350 years

01:23:27.720 ago all of this still matters yeah um all right i'll just go through uh do you want to go through

01:23:35.320 your rumble rants or right that's a random name european colonialism brought civilization to stone age

01:23:40.760 peoples europe ottoman colonialism brought genocide and misery so obviously the leftoid subversives love

01:23:47.880 the ottomans uh the hapsification when a turk does a dna test they go full denial mode about the fact

01:23:55.080 they're mostly balkan and greek and only about three seven percent ancestral turk i don't think

01:24:00.680 that's exactly accurate i will i will say this this is going to be funny but you know they they're making

01:24:06.920 fun of some greeks greeks make fun of other greeks when it comes to commenting about turks it's like

01:24:12.360 they're the short schrodinger's greeks if they do something good we say they have greek dna yeah

01:24:17.880 if they do something bad we say they're they're turks yeah that's the schrodinger's approach on this

01:24:24.840 right both times uh and then uh oh oh punk for five dollars uh thank you just says uh every other street

01:24:33.000 in istanbul is named gezi holy warrior jihadi uh something are uh named after some sultan who murdered

01:24:39.560 christians stole the children yeah that's absolutely terrible all right do we have video comments samson

01:24:49.560 i think we've got time

01:24:55.160 you seem to have one just one video comment great samson is euromax and he is taking his time he is

01:25:03.240 that's all right samson

01:25:04.200 the reason our world is in such a mess is that the men who created it moved on and those taking

01:25:12.280 over don't understand it this isn't maliciousness it's incompetence you may dislike bill gates and

01:25:17.560 windows but you cannot deny the titan microsoft was since he left the new leadership doesn't

01:25:22.280 understand what the company actually does and turned its products into slop the same is true for

01:25:26.760 apple and google so too with political leadership those in charge inhabit structures built up by others

01:25:32.360 without understanding why those structures are so they cannot innovate so instead they seek to

01:25:37.240 optimize this is why it looks so much like socialism socialism is ignorant political optimization

01:25:45.480 really well put alex yeah thank you all right um do you want to go through a few of your

01:25:50.760 oh is that that's all of the videos into samson

01:25:53.080 oh no okay carry on zest the king

01:25:59.640 see the halo features i'm in dudley castle right behind me here now something quite unusual about

01:26:06.760 this castle is that it's actually in a zoo just down there you can see the beautiful italian style

01:26:12.520 apartments made in the 1540s for john dudley earl of warwick

01:26:15.960 that's a really good one a beautiful beautiful castle okay any more video comments samson

01:26:32.920 samson is taking this time no all right then well in that case we'll probably draw it to an end there

01:26:38.600 ladies and just so i give you the few comments one or two from each okay it's 29 past so it's not even yeah

01:26:45.400 all right i was just thinking about for us having to be back to our people we have to hear the

01:26:49.160 comments okay gone then feras from your segment all right uh drones from the cartel hitting the gulf

01:26:55.480 would be quite a headache for american infrastructure not sure who is worse isis or the cartels in terms

01:27:01.000 of fanatic brutality the cartels are really properly savage um i mean we're talking about we're talking

01:27:09.400 about we're so pretty much the same yeah cases yeah terror toddler will feed us touch on what's

01:27:15.080 happening with hungary and then blocking the next aid package due to ukraine destroying a pipeline

01:27:19.800 it's i think hungary and slovakia i believe because the ukrainians aren't allowing uh russian

01:27:27.400 oil to get into their countries through pipeline and so they're saying to the ukrainians we're

01:27:33.160 going to stop supplying you with fuel and we might stop supplying with electricity unless you let us

01:27:40.040 have our cheap energy and it's really important because uh especially for hungary victor orbans

01:27:47.960 industrial policies rely on cheap energy from the russians as the german industrial policy and it's

01:27:55.160 not his war so he doesn't want to get involved in in this whole thing so that's what's happening

01:28:00.920 uh is there any chance of other cartels trying to put this down so that it doesn't escalate to something

01:28:05.640 actually being done like the u.s military getting involved no i expect the cartels to join together

01:28:11.320 and if you look at some of the rhetoric that comes out of them it's quite nationalistic

01:28:15.560 for mexico against the united states so they might as well just launch a full-scale insurgency

01:28:23.000 and negotiate from there is is my guess uh from my segment michael de belbus says uh farage is a

01:28:29.800 political chameleon he changes with the color of the environment he's in essentially he's an

01:28:34.440 opportunist yes he does change like like a chameleon unless it is actual nativist rhetoric he he never

01:28:43.240 seems to change quite that far uh and omar awad says can't remember who said it but if you call

01:28:49.240 everyone uh everything people want far right people will eventually even totally conclude that the far

01:28:56.360 right is everything they want well this is the point that farage doesn't seem to get you can win

01:29:02.280 the election and say oh we've won like the civic nationalist argument and everything with majority

01:29:08.600 but like it it's the truth is above politics right it's above it exists in a state beyond the reach of

01:29:15.960 what you can't change it right the british people are a thing irrespective of who wins the election and

01:29:22.360 even if all of the legislation would change forever saying that everyone on the planet

01:29:27.320 were to be british the paper wouldn't make it more so so he's i mean you can either learn that or get

01:29:34.280 out the way all right okay michael drybelbus says patent recognition isn't islamophobia or xenophobia

01:29:41.960 and annie moss i think poland should keep the statue it's a great piece of art and the invaders will

01:29:46.760 just trash it if it is in vienna and that's it blue cuts brozek and as a token of appreciation the

01:29:54.280 austrians assisted with partitioning poland and erasing us from the map for 123 years yeah that wasn't

01:30:01.320 that wasn't good uh the partition of poland was a very brutal and bad chapter in history yeah very

01:30:11.160 and jan rafalski sobievsky is somewhat controversial in poland of a portrayed as a good general but in

01:30:16.360 compter ruler vienna being his biggest blunder wasting resources to save a rival who later went

01:30:22.200 on to partition the commonwealth i understand why you see things this way very interesting oh and mr

01:30:29.160 michael dribelbus i did reply to your email just to let you know so i just wanted to check that you'd

01:30:34.680 managed to get that all right then well ladies and gentlemen thank you very much for your time do come

01:30:39.560 back at three o'clock and join for us where he's going to talk all about iran uh much to talk about

01:30:45.960 there is a lot to talk about yeah have you been to the zagras mountains no i have not

01:30:52.040 no i have not well there's still time some proper on the ground research anyway well uh and if not

01:30:58.760 ladies and gentlemen we'll see you back at one o'clock tomorrow have a good day

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