The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1362

00:00:00.000 hello and welcome to podcast of the lotus eaters uh 1362 on this wednesday the 25th of february

00:00:06.980 year of our lord 2026 john beluca hello and harry hi the drugs haven't kicked in yet so there might

00:00:13.740 be a bit of a delay on my end refuses to elaborate okay fine stays on the show fine fine um we're

00:00:22.300 going to be discussing how um real is better than fake obviously true um how you can get away with

00:00:29.640 using the n-word on stage uh this is this is stuff that we follow these five easy steps literally

00:00:36.080 critics hate him yeah and and how the um the ai overlords they're already stopping you from

00:00:42.180 gaming bastards um most oppressed people in the world some are saying not what the ai overlords 0.95

00:00:48.720 no gamers oh yes yes yes the gamers are aren't they that's true um and also we got a round table

00:00:54.900 after this like we get half an hour break and then we can um but hopefully by which time the

00:01:00.460 drugs would have kicked in uh or be shared more to the point that's what i'm more concerned about

00:01:05.640 you've brought enough to share with the whole class haven't you right and and we'll be discussing

00:01:11.580 how restore will win so if you were wondering some of you may have just already decided where they're

00:01:17.180 going to but but anyway we'll be discussing that right um so real things are better than fake things

00:01:24.900 good old are they really yes that's my argument so i want you to imagine a scenario and it shouldn't

00:01:30.180 be that difficult to imagine because it's the world that bill gates and the eu want to create

00:01:33.640 imagine you've grown up in a world where you've heard about burgers right your grandfather has told

00:01:41.140 you oh we used to have burgers and they were smashing they were absolutely great but you've only

00:01:46.920 ever had broccoli and cabbage and you know that kind of stuff maybe a carrot as an occasional treat

00:01:52.560 and your parents generation because you're both young lads um they've been voting for i don't know

00:01:59.620 uh what what's the most meaty vegetable i don't know the the mushroom party or something like that

00:02:04.880 not not is not the soy party well something like that something like but you know so i well i know i know

00:02:11.840 i know mushrooms aren't a actual vegetable they're a fungi but you know bear with me they've been voting

00:02:16.560 for the mushroom party and the mushroom party has been promising for years now you're going to get

00:02:22.300 something which is a little bit like meat but they always find a way to put it off or excuse it or

00:02:28.180 import more vegetable dinner options or something like that and then one day um this comes along

00:02:35.280 it's a tofu burger right and you've never had a burger you've heard about burgers you know they you

00:02:42.940 know conceptually they exist but you've never you've never encountered a burger the platonic ideal

00:02:48.000 of a burger yes still eludes you you you've you've been on your broccoli and and the burger option the

00:02:55.560 tofu burger the soy burger comes along now you haven't got any better choices so you're going to be

00:03:01.960 looking at that and thinking by god that's for me i'm getting behind that got to the two bread buns

00:03:09.180 getting rather hot and saucy here joe it is and then we think oh i know i know it's fake cheese but

00:03:17.120 still you know that's all right i'm having carrots yes 365th time this year and and you're getting you

00:03:24.540 get into the front of the of the diner queue and you're you're absolutely committed to your your

00:03:31.840 tofu burger your soy based burger um and then just at the very last second when it's almost too late

00:03:38.460 but it's not too late an actual burger comes along right

00:03:45.660 well i don't know why this is so funny oh the drugs have kicked in

00:03:51.060 oh there we go he's tripping now there we go you're seeing a burger i'm oh i'm in cloud nine

00:03:59.060 right now he votes for mushrooms every time that was your most clarkson delivery yeah

00:04:05.400 that's what he was right right so burger comes along right now at that point i'm gonna venture

00:04:13.820 the argument that you are not gonna be like no i'm sticking with the tofu tofu came along what if

00:04:20.960 the bbc for my entire life has been telling me that burgers aren't real there's no such thing as a

00:04:27.600 burger and the vegetables are our greatest strength yes well yes but i suppose in that case you'd have

00:04:34.540 to break out of the mental condition but you can see the burger burger is on offer it is it is it is

00:04:39.300 right there it's now real it's within touching distance yes right there um spoiler alert for the

00:04:44.700 i'm not actually talking about burgers but i'm not going to tell you what i am talking about none of

00:04:48.280 now i'm very hungry yes well the rug pull right what or what about what um my appetite is gone

00:04:56.380 oh fleeting how it was right now i want to imagine um that you uh oh i don't know um you you grew up

00:05:07.960 on a bloody oil rig or oh we zoomed in so you can't say no you've grown up on an oil rig right and

00:05:15.000 you've only ever had dudes around uh like a month you got a monastery that guy from the italian

00:05:20.340 monastery never something like that something like that or maybe it's just a moon base or something

00:05:24.920 and and there was a there was a pull-up requirement and no no women made it whatever you you're living 1.00

00:05:29.840 in a society where there was only dudes right and and you're thinking about it and you know um

00:05:36.120 it's like oh well i'm gonna have to settle down at some point and you know

00:05:39.720 oh billy over there you know at least he shaves his chest and i've thought into this have you well

00:05:51.000 right and then this comes along and it's got actual you know boobs and everything now it's now it's it 1.00

00:05:57.000 it is now you know how should i put this this is a this is a lady um now now compared to everything

00:06:08.840 else you've had on offer so far you're looking at that thinking at the tofu lady yes yes you're thinking

00:06:16.120 well you know what are you painted yourself into a corner well i i'm just saying that you know some

00:06:29.720 chaps in that scenario if if you know if if they're naturally minded they might they might be well it's 1.00

00:06:34.920 the best offer i've had so far on the oil rig or the well the moon or the whatever right

00:06:40.840 out of context there's gonna have a field the point i'm driving at is then one day onto the oil

00:06:48.520 rig or the moon base or whatever it is um sydney sweeney walks in right at that point you're not going

00:06:56.600 to be thinking well i i was i was i was i was leaning towards going with the with you know the tofu

00:07:05.560 woman yes yes um as soon as you see the real thing right you're not doing the you're not doing

00:07:13.880 the compromise anymore you see where i'm going no right no i see where you're going yes yes yes well

00:07:18.920 i've got i've seen for some time i'm just enjoying watching it no i i've no i've got a clever twist

00:07:24.280 nobody is going to see it coming when i drop it but it's going to be absolutely brilliant um you know um

00:07:30.280 oh where's the gucci bags oh i i put gucci bags in here but i think it doesn't matter anyway i put

00:07:36.040 gucci bags i didn't have anything to say about it but i just wanted to put something in for women 0.97

00:07:39.400 because they like handbags rather than women women don't like much of a manly man you couldn't bring 1.00

00:07:46.440 yourself to put the girly link in the dock no i put it in but samson didn't he's he's obviously the

00:07:50.840 manly one right um same thing here we've got um right okay do you know anyone who drinks fake coke

00:07:58.200 no right here's when i get fake coke right all right go on then at the beginning of this pot now

00:08:05.160 um uh when i have lots of friends coming over for a dinner party and drinks and i don't want to have

00:08:13.560 to spend loads on mixes right well i'll be that panda pop national that's me being a cheapskate

00:08:22.520 okay that's when i will get if i ever come to your house i'm bringing real coke

00:08:27.720 well that's fine by me i'm not having to spend a penny on it yes i've got a good supplier so um

00:08:33.160 but the point is right i i i didn't know that about you but most people never actually

00:08:39.640 buy fake coke and and in the audience right now comment below if you're hosting a party or friends

00:08:47.320 over for drinks are you going to really stretch your monthly budget and get a load of actual real

00:08:54.200 coke for the mixers or are you going to nip down out why would they be your friends if you're not

00:08:58.280 willing to give them real coke seems very conditional on the nature of the friendship well they wouldn't

00:09:03.480 do the same for me wouldn't they you'd have better friends i've been to plenty of parties in my time

00:09:09.160 and they've always just been full of fake coke and pepsi harry you will stop you're destroying the 0.83

00:09:15.320 man's entire argument well i well this isn't i mean you wouldn't buy it just to enjoy by yourself if

00:09:21.240 you had the choice no no no exactly exactly you wouldn't wouldn't make in fact that's that's helpful

00:09:25.960 that's going to be helpful for my later argument but see fake coke it try it tries to copy real coke

00:09:31.880 um now where where am i um where am i going with all of this wait for it yeah uh ah i sit very

00:09:42.920 clever down i thought you were getting married to a tranny no no no i i had you on there didn't i 0.98

00:09:51.720 the point that i'm actually driving at right i have to bleep that one for youtube sorry oh yeah we're

00:09:56.360 not i'll say this instead troon and then editor can overdub we will have to say tune apparently

00:10:03.320 yeah really oh okay editor you can figure it out yeah if you're watching on youtube that a lot of

00:10:09.080 that might have been bleeped but um the point that i'm driving at is is the moment you get the real

00:10:14.440 thing right is you don't want the fake thing anymore especially when the fake thing has been

00:10:20.840 going around for 30 years telling you that it has destroyed all of the options available to you

00:10:26.840 to actually have the meat well and and also if the fake thing had every single time the burger was

00:10:31.960 about the tofu burger was about to be surfed up suddenly withdrew and let the carrot the mushroom

00:10:38.040 party whatever win yes if it done that like three times you'd be like yeah you wouldn't trust it no

00:10:45.160 or if it started hiring carrot sculptors to to run its party and stuff like that what i'm driving at

00:10:53.240 right is is that elite formation elite opinion formation has already happened on this so i mean

00:11:01.720 starkey's come over so he's already he's already on board with all of this stuff and i say starkey but

00:11:08.840 i mean basically everybody yes well this has been the funny thing and aa addressed it in some

00:11:15.960 of his videos he's done recently with the whole accusation of like oh this is going to split the

00:11:20.920 vote this is going to split the right actually anybody who isn't already a traitor yes has has got

00:11:28.040 behind low i have never seen the right this united elite opinion formation has already occurred and it

00:11:34.520 happened a week ago it's it's done it happened um and in real time in the real sense it happened

00:11:41.560 much much earlier than that because we're all just simply waiting for the moment for the announcement

00:11:46.600 that this was going to happen but we all knew come the time if low does declare a new party that we

00:11:52.520 would all get behind it yep and and it's not just people in the commentary it's basically sort of

00:11:57.640 sort of elite opinion formers um you know what was it the um was it jim ratcliffe or something

00:12:02.040 we get for uh i mean clarkson's clearly on the verge of of doing this john cleese john cleese yeah um

00:12:08.680 funny bloke him and there was another name i was gonna mention i mean point is loads of people they've

00:12:15.640 they've i mean it is shifted opinion the people who think about stuff they've already come over to this

00:12:21.800 all we're sort of left with at the moment are the people who and and this is what i find

00:12:29.000 sorry when i talk to friends of mine is they personally know they want the burger or the

00:12:34.600 sydney sweeney what they're worried about is that everybody else is stupid and that they're going to

00:12:41.400 pick the tofu right even though they know that they're not and when i speak to other friends they

00:12:47.000 also know that they want the real burger but they're just worried that everybody else is going to pick

00:12:51.240 the tofu well i mean this is this is something that i've experienced in my own life speaking to

00:12:57.640 friends who i spoke to uh quite recently one of them said when i brought up restore he said oh you

00:13:05.480 know i think i just think that they're they're a bit too extreme and they might put people off

00:13:11.080 right that does not mean that you disagree with what they're saying that means that you worry that

00:13:15.240 other people are stupid and might be it's it's it's the whole thing it's it's everybody is

00:13:21.240 well the people that we know they're all they're all going to be on the two ends of the bell curve

00:13:24.360 aren't they they're going to be the the uber genius or the or the all the plods whatever down there

00:13:29.480 hello and and and we just all we already know and we just think that everybody else is in that

00:13:35.320 little bit of the midwit section where i mean the midwit section they're already voting labor or green

00:13:40.440 yes or something else the two ends of the bell curve that they have already gone over but they just

00:13:45.320 think that everybody else even though everybody isn't on that thing it's happened it's it's it's it's already

00:13:50.440 done and also the extreme position to to just speak to that element of it as well like oh you

00:13:55.000 know restored they'd just be a bit extreme it's like no no the the extremism in this political

00:14:00.120 landscape is arresting a man for wanting to deport foreign rapists yes that is the extreme position

00:14:06.360 or or arresting 8 000 people a year for tweeting sentiments yes that is the extreme position yes

00:14:12.600 everything that lo was talking about is is perfectly normal now we've got a round table um coming up

00:14:18.200 after this if you're watching this on you've already been told if you're watching if you want

00:14:21.960 god's own people on on the um on the website but if you're watching on youtube by the time you get

00:14:27.000 this video have a quick look because that will be popping up on lotus eaters.com and you might want

00:14:31.080 to watch how were there how will we actually do it um that is important but i mean even tim stanley

00:14:36.440 even the tory graph this is a paper whose entire purpose is to get the tories elected this is the

00:14:42.600 article they changed the headline for isn't it oh is it yeah it used to be uh no no this was the

00:14:47.800 original headline i believe the one that they changed it to was saying something along the lines

00:14:52.920 of don't um don't fall for rupert lowe's ego project or something i did think this was out of character

00:15:00.760 for them and it's no it doesn't surprise me but they changed it but you know even even tim stanley

00:15:06.280 proper mummy's boy tory boy you're saying reform is turning into the into the tories 2.0 and that's

00:15:13.320 a tragedy and and there's a bit but you must continue to to vote for tofu no matter the cost

00:15:19.880 yes well there's a bit in here i i can't i can't be bothered to find it i copied it anyway for

00:15:23.640 to my notes and there's a bit in here where he says to an outsider however the difference he's

00:15:28.440 talking about the difference between restore and reform and he's just making my point about the

00:15:32.520 burgers or the the sydney sweeney right he says to an outsider however the differences may seem

00:15:39.480 minimal today yusuf a muslim will commit reform to mass deportations of illegals and encouraging 0.99

00:15:46.520 christian culture and for every quote by low on the evils of the burka the war and the white boys

00:15:52.200 a reform mp has said much the same he's basically saying well look that tofu it looks just like the

00:15:59.720 real thing doesn't it oh uh well i thought you were going to finish your point and then i no

00:16:08.600 no that was that was a complete thought all by itself i thought there was more going to be added

00:16:12.760 on to it yeah well the the thing is yeah um i mean they might say all of these things the the problem is

00:16:19.160 the the reform party is full of people who were part of the last government yes say all of these things

00:16:25.480 yes who then let in that wasn't even tofu yeah who let in millions of people so forgive me for

00:16:33.640 being somewhat skeptical that the people behind the boris wave are not going to just do it again

00:16:40.520 yes or all or the guy who's folded his party several times before in order to let the carrot

00:16:46.120 party win is is going to do the same thing again exactly um i mean i i saw this i mean this this just

00:16:52.280 happened to pop up on my feed and that was the right biggest mistake the form ever made was

00:16:56.280 pushing rupert lowe out but the best thing for england was reform pushing rupert out yeah absolutely

00:17:01.640 um i mean that that's pretty much right i mean i mean that was actually just a clarifying moment we

00:17:06.840 knew we deep down we all knew what forage was before he kicked out rupert lowe like when he kicked

00:17:11.640 you and bow out well yeah or or steven wolf or i mean there's this three people who've been on this

00:17:16.200 podcast who who you know forage has done this to as well as dozens and dozens of other people and he's

00:17:21.640 always sort of a career assassinated them every time yeah and at some point it just it just got

00:17:26.200 to be too much i mean i i do have serious thoughts as well not that all of this wasn't serious um

00:17:31.880 but um um you know i you know the way i sort of devised it here is look britain has only ever

00:17:37.800 separated power two ways and that has been do as i say or i will kill you or civil war and that was 0.52

00:17:46.040 the settlement basically forever in this country the threat of violence yes relying yes yeah power

00:17:50.840 the only difference is in the 1800s we civilized civil war and and we decided to call it democracy

00:17:56.120 instead but it's the same principle biggest side wins and there's a lot cheaper than having a civil

00:18:00.840 war to have a democracy and the biggest side still wins so basically it's a good proxy

00:18:05.640 gives the population's trust in the institutions yes well but the reason it works is because it

00:18:10.360 stretches the time scale we're no longer you know a war a civil war can be decided in months or years

00:18:16.200 um a democracy you stretch it out over decades and a an election is not a winning a war what it is it's

00:18:23.080 a battle and you can lose a battle and you can accept losing a battle because it's not absolutely

00:18:27.640 existential you just get to fight the next battle and and that's the way that democracy worked is that

00:18:33.240 you could actually lose for quite a long time as long as you thought that it's not irreversible

00:18:37.800 and then what one side did is it came along and it decided what we're going to do is we're going

00:18:42.520 to turn it um from a back and forth into a ratchet and the way we're going to do that is we're going

00:18:48.680 to stack the institutions we're going to stack law and we're going to bring in as much demographic

00:18:53.640 change as we can so that you can only ever ratchet one way and what they did is they made politics

00:19:01.000 existential because losing an election is tolerable but losing your country is not tolerable

00:19:08.680 and they've set us down this path where there is going to be a permanent majority a permanent

00:19:13.800 minority and there is no path back from that right and at some point and and i think we're approaching

00:19:20.520 it really quite soon and this is i mean i don't want to repeat all the david bett stuff but he's been

00:19:26.360 making the point if politics becomes existential we will just go back to the other model because if it

00:19:33.880 becomes impossible to use the proxy to get what you want well you're not going to give up your country

00:19:39.320 you are going to get to that point and actually what you want to do is you want to get a a nice

00:19:45.080 settlement in place a nice sensible settlement in place before the other side is also so large and

00:19:49.960 so committed and so entrenched that is existential for them as well at this point they they haven't

00:19:55.160 got their second passport anymore because it was three four generations ago and they've given up the

00:20:00.440 the passport to pakistan now for them it genuinely is existential and that and that's and that's

00:20:07.720 essentially the cusp of what we're of what we're getting to um reform is already slipping under the

00:20:13.480 surface so reform that they were leading in gordon denton for like three four weeks me and carl have

00:20:22.280 been covering it on our on our political chat thing right which incidentally elon retweeted this morning

00:20:27.720 based elon um but yeah reform were leading but but now there's a real burger and the tofu burger was

00:20:35.160 like yeah whatever slipping down well and and this is the larger point isn't it it's not just about the

00:20:41.640 elections that we have here and now it's the it's the entire process of sovereignty and you know

00:20:47.800 the british people's voice determining uh the very course you know of our path forward for the rest of

00:20:53.400 this century and hopefully many centuries to come after it and if reform and this is what you know

00:20:59.320 goodwin and the rest of them don't seem to appreciate you know say well you know look i've got

00:21:03.800 all of these sikhs who are going to vote reform it's like okay and they might even help you to win this 0.99

00:21:08.440 time matt but it's going to be harder at the next the next election that comes around and then harder

00:21:14.600 still and then eventually what you're doing is you're basically um empowering these minority groups

00:21:20.600 because they're becoming more and more important to your electoral success you've let they're able to

00:21:26.360 stack yeah their bargain you've let the ratchet turn one more time and click and lock yes and now

00:21:32.760 now we're stuck yeah exactly now the only thing basically that's going to stop us because everybody

00:21:37.960 prefers the real the real to the fake everybody knows that everybody privately knows that the only

00:21:45.160 thing that can beat us at this point is is doubt and not the weakness of the project and it's not a

00:21:50.360 lack of your own preference it's just second guessing the preference of everybody else that that is the

00:21:58.120 only problem we've got at the moment because everybody privately sees it's like the end days of the

00:22:01.800 soviet union everybody privately sees it but is worried what everybody else sees that is the

00:22:07.000 exact issue that we're in at the moment now it turns out there's quite a body of philosophical

00:22:11.080 thought that has been done on this so i mean the first thing that turned to mind was prisoner's dilemma

00:22:16.600 um but but actually that's not quite the right model here there's there's a rusoian model uh dating

00:22:22.920 back to 1775 uh called the stag hunt and it's a bit similar to prisoner's dilemma it's a bunch of hunters

00:22:29.640 are out and they can either go off and they can hunt a rabbit or they can coordinate together and

00:22:34.600 get the stag right and if they start to doubt each other if they think oh well he's going to go and hunt

00:22:40.680 the rabbit and he's probably going to hunt the rabbit but i really want the stag and they're all thinking

00:22:45.640 the same way will they end up getting rabbits or they won't get anything you've got to coordinate on the

00:22:50.360 stag then there's um thomas uh schnelling uh who wrote the strategy of conflict in in 1960 and um

00:22:58.360 his work was basically centered on if you you need to coordinate using visible signals right there's no

00:23:04.360 point saying um privately just privately thinking it you need to be clear yeah we're going for the stag

00:23:10.120 um there's uh john hazaro and uh reinhard schnelchen uh they wrote the um uh equilibrium selection

00:23:19.800 uh and and basically said well it's the same variation of this that if people will choose the

00:23:24.600 safe equilibrium they'll end up going home with the the lady um when the outcome is uncertain or the 0.64

00:23:32.360 rabbit whichever scenario in this use and there's a whole bunch more i mean i've got i've got a whole

00:23:36.920 load of my notes there's there's a modern extension theory that came out of the global games think

00:23:41.560 tank in the 1990s uh the only doubt can sustain inferior options it's the only way that gets to it

00:23:49.320 and and look what i'm ultimately driving at here my my entire point of this is that this question that

00:23:55.400 we are in right now has been studied for 250 years and the conclusion every time is consistent and the

00:24:03.240 conclusion is is that only by having the doubt only by second guessing what everybody else is doing

00:24:10.440 will lead you to the inferior outcome what you need is visible commitment right you need you need to be

00:24:16.360 clear and once you cross a certain threshold and it's not that high you get a cascade preference

00:24:23.800 and it just emerge and it appears to emerge suddenly you just suddenly win but it all starts with you've

00:24:30.520 got to understand that um confidence and clarity and and message precedes the outcome you don't get

00:24:40.200 the outcome and then everybody gets to say okay this is what we're doing no you need to you need to be

00:24:45.720 clear you need to be going out there and you need to be eliminating all doubt you need to be saying no

00:24:50.520 this is what we're going to do make it clear don't wait for permission so what i'd say to people is go out

00:24:55.720 just clearly state yeah i'm i'm with rupert lowe yeah i'm with reform sorry restore um don't don't

00:25:03.800 offer explanation just state it boldly state it clearly no ambiguity now they want to talk to you

00:25:08.680 afterwards and say okay well why is that give me reasons then you go into the explanation but now is

00:25:14.520 the moment not for doubt and second guessing it is for clarity so unless you want to eat a tofu burger

00:25:20.920 or wake up next to a lady because that's what that's what you are richard i don't know i don't

00:25:28.760 know if there is a guilty richard out there right now wondering how i knew his name but the point is

00:25:34.040 almost certainly eat the burger well that's that's kind of what i'm going with right good point yes

00:25:41.560 right thank you uh so uh rumble rants what forgot uh oh yes uh that's a random name for a dollar saying

00:25:48.360 harry takes ssris to deal with the bullying he's been getting for being ginger next step convert to

00:25:53.960 islam welp mashallah and hayden for two dollars thank you says uh i had a beyond burger last night

00:26:01.400 horrible aftertaste made me gag and almost threw up yeah that makes sense i don't know why you had

00:26:06.760 a beyond burger you're the one man holding up that 71 cent share price clearly eating that rubbish

00:26:14.120 uh but that's just your body telling you that this is artificial rubbish and that you shouldn't

00:26:18.600 you shouldn't touch it like your body has very very uh complex processes to to do this like making you

00:26:25.400 go best uh best fast food uh burgers wendy's undoubtedly i had a wendy's good quality yeah

00:26:33.320 five guys she's a fine lass yeah anyway right well so uh i hadn't quite expected ladies and gentlemen to be 0.97

00:26:42.440 talking about a recent uh film award ceremony after all they are getting very very stale falling

00:26:48.680 off a cliff no one really watches them anymore and no one really has any particular interest in

00:26:53.560 anything that the big hollywood celebrity actors have to say about i'm just waiting for hollywood

00:26:58.200 films to be replaced by ai so they they're good again well you kind of hope that like something like

00:27:03.480 the game awards will have some premium like absolutely exquisite cringe in it yeah but even they've

00:27:10.280 managed to get the cringe under control so now it's just boring like all of the rest of them

00:27:14.920 i've no idea how the oscars used to be some kind of like cultural touchstone back in the day because

00:27:20.200 it really is what like four hours of industry awards and then every so often brad pitt or someone will

00:27:27.480 get like a person i can answer because 20 years ago films were good and and so you used to watch a lot

00:27:34.440 films there was a time where you would go down to blockbusters like every weekend and pick out a

00:27:40.680 couple of movies i remember blockbusters i used to go there all the time i'm not that young sadly

00:27:45.480 heartbreakingly i can't believe i said that as a brag um but uh this awards ceremony uh the baftas

00:27:51.480 uh just past weekend turned out to be quite a different affair so we need to begin really by

00:27:56.520 outlining the person who's you know created uh just this media storm everywhere we go i've not been

00:28:03.480 able to look away from it and that is to speak about john davidson who has an mbe uh and from

00:28:10.920 basically his has the genetic condition of uh tourette now this is a neurological condition and there

00:28:18.680 are about well apparently there are about um 300 000 children and adults living with tourettes in the

00:28:26.520 united kingdom today now if that number sounds very very high uh it may well be and this isn't really

00:28:33.400 the place to have a discussion about over diagnosing people but another point as well is that it's only

00:28:39.480 a subsection of those people who have the thing that is known as uh coprolalia which is about 10 10

00:28:46.680 to 30 percent of these 300 000 people and that is a symptom that leads to uh you know saying these

00:28:53.640 triggering taboo words and speaking very vulgarly vulgarly and it just sort of been forced out of them

00:28:59.480 without any conceivable control over it so yeah i pardon me for being insensitive here perhaps this

00:29:07.400 is not an appropriate question to ask uh but frankly the whole coprolalia whatever it is that that version

00:29:15.400 of tourettes where you're talking about a way of swearing and saying socially inappropriate words

00:29:20.680 um like what is the neurological like reason for that because what determines that it's not just

00:29:28.840 random words and is instead specifically swear words and socially unacceptable words because those

00:29:35.240 are going to differ culture by culture they're almost entirely going to be an environmental product

00:29:40.760 is it always swear words or is it just well from what i understand it specifically triggers socially

00:29:46.200 taboo or forbidden words uh because it's the brain's inhibitory system failing to actually you

00:29:52.760 know to filter them out so so this is something that i would assume typically manifests after a

00:29:57.880 particular age once somebody's old enough to have imbibed to the the culture around them well this is

00:30:03.720 exactly the point because you see there was a documentary by the bbc back in 1988 which looked at

00:30:09.960 uh john and john grew up in um what was it the uh place uh uh galashiels in scotland town of 13 000

00:30:19.000 people right and it's already a very very rare condition and so you can imagine how he was surrounded

00:30:25.240 by people who didn't understand it thought he was putting it on and was just purposefully ruining his

00:30:31.800 own life right all of the chances he would have that he was just taking them away from himself to be crass and

00:30:38.280 vulgar and to be rude to all the people around him when this is obviously not the point um there's an

00:30:43.640 example here i won't play it for the sake of time but where he goes around this shopping center with his

00:30:48.600 mother and he's just continually swearing but it's not just the language as well it's like the actual

00:30:53.320 physical tics that come with it and so this resulted in john being uh having awarded an mbe by the queen

00:31:03.240 back in 2019 i believe it was because of his work raising awareness for tourette's the very nature of

00:31:09.480 it and working in coordination with local authorities to raise awareness and pushing for more understanding

00:31:17.320 of the condition and so that actually people with it uh the excesses of it can be mitigated

00:31:24.520 and they can bring themselves more into line with just normal society and so it's not just about

00:31:30.920 other like you know just people without it living with them and just understanding that's where they

00:31:36.440 are it's also about pushing for technology and solutions and cures for tourette's as well so

00:31:42.120 that and he actually swore the queen as well well this is what i was going to say if we go to this

00:31:46.680 fantastic line here it says his troubles began as his car rented hollyrood palace in edinburgh

00:31:51.480 and police inspected the vehicle's underside with little mirrors on stocks uh that should say davidson

00:31:57.240 opened the car window and began shouting a bomb i've got an effing bomb by the time he was in front

00:32:02.600 of her majesty all royal protocol was out the window the voice in his head too hard to control f the

00:32:07.720 queen he shouted and her majesty was very kind she was as calm and assured as my granny she was very

00:32:13.640 good about it all and so one of the points that i wanted to raise with this as well is not just it's

00:32:20.040 a really funny story of him saying this to the queen but the fact that someone is high up and

00:32:26.760 we're in an institution so austere and you know suffocated by royal protocol and you know how to

00:32:32.360 behave and language and procedure that the queen is understanding enough of this to just rub it off 0.99

00:32:39.480 doesn't mean it it's lucky that the queen is not an incredibly fragile person is i guess what you're

00:32:44.120 saying that's exactly where i'm coming to with this yes and so then we had the film i swear now i

00:32:50.760 actually happened to watch this film a few weeks ago and you can see here it has an audience rating

00:32:56.040 of 8.4 out of 10 and it was a really really fantastic film you know it was poignant it was funny

00:33:03.400 it was tragic it really you know just swept you away with the struggle of this man's life but also how

00:33:09.880 he turned that suffering and that pain towards looking after other children so they wouldn't

00:33:16.040 have to go through what he had gone through as a child which um you know because he doesn't as you

00:33:21.880 say he's not born like this uh it develops later on i think he goes to school at about the age of 14

00:33:28.200 and then the tics just start beginning you imagine that living the first 14 years of your life

00:33:33.160 totally normally thinking you're just going to live a normal life like anyone else and then this thing

00:33:38.280 that you can't control just takes hold of you and gets worse and worse that's obviously not

00:33:43.720 something that i would wish on anyone and i'll just play a little clip from it here that highlights

00:33:49.880 my client is now going to give evidence mr davidson will you please make your way to the witness box

00:34:08.280 mr davidson will you take the oath i will raise your right hand and repeat after me

00:34:15.960 i swear by almighty god i swear by almighty god that i will tell the truth that i will tell

00:34:22.200 the truth the whole truth no i won't

00:34:26.760 that someone explain the reason for this contempt my lord if i may mr davidson on occasions shouts

00:34:34.280 things uncontrollably impulsive comments he neither means them or can control them

00:34:39.720 sexist homophobic misogynist don't forget racist you're wanker and racist based on so you get the

00:34:46.760 idea and you know the film raises a good point as well it's like you know because this was what they

00:34:51.720 say in the court it's like well he's faking it it's like who will choose to fake this for their entire

00:34:56.840 life yes their entire life and so as it happens robert arameo who was the actor you just saw there

00:35:04.040 portraying john davidson uh ended up winning the best actor he beat out leonardo dicaprio he beat

00:35:10.200 out timothy chalamet all these you know really famous people from hollywood because it was such

00:35:15.640 a remarkable performance and john davidson had come along obviously to support him in the actor who

00:35:22.600 portrayed him on the film oh that's nice and it was all shown um explained ahead of time to people

00:35:28.840 that ladies and gentlemen there will be a man with tourette's in the audience tonight he will

00:35:33.960 undoubtedly shout some things this is just a territory of it this is what this is the reason

00:35:38.440 we made this film to raise awareness and the understanding for it and so really with robert

00:35:43.320 winning this and the acclaim and attention that it will bring to the film this really should have been

00:35:49.160 the pinnacle of john davidson's life right this should have been the moment of you know real

00:35:54.680 triumph for it is a room of high paid professionals so obviously they're going to understand this

00:35:59.240 immediately well you would you would think that wouldn't you but then this happened and i will

00:36:03.880 just play it with you had jamie foxx and delroy lindo uh giving out an award uh delroy and i are

00:36:11.240 delighted to be presenting the first bafta of the night for a vital part of movie making

00:36:15.480 we're here to uh celebrate and that i mean to be honest but having him in the audience and those

00:36:24.520 two on stage is a bit of a red rag to a ball well i mean i'm not i'm not suggesting are you suggesting

00:36:30.520 that this was a manufactured incident well if you are dan you're not the only one that's suggesting

00:36:36.120 that let me tell you the conspiracy it was a prank run deep with this christmas prank yeah but i mean

00:36:43.400 poor chap i mean i i i i didn't think it myself but i'm sure at least somebody in our audience

00:36:50.360 thought the same thing as soon as as soon as you loaded the image but the point is as well is that

00:36:56.280 this is obviously not something particular to jamie foxx this is not personal to the actors who are

00:37:02.200 standing on stage he is as he said he has literally said f the queen is one of those no one of neither of

00:37:08.520 those is jamie jamie foxx i too thought that luca was being incredibly right oh yeah sorry it's michael

00:37:14.440 b jordan it's michael b jordan no it's because in my next link uh you'll see that you're not saying

00:37:21.160 they all look the same are you no no it's such a tired old the reason was because i was preparing

00:37:25.960 in my head this way you see that jamie fox uh basically went out and said nah he meant not so jamie

00:37:32.440 because i i'd heard about this story and i assumed that jamie foxx had been on stage and had it shouted at

00:37:37.480 him which is why he took particular offense right was jamie foxx even there i have no idea he wasn't

00:37:43.000 even the one on stage he was just sort of like and i took personal offense at that yeah yeah that seems

00:37:50.120 to have been where it's come from and so as we go on as well but then you have jamie foxx just saying

00:37:57.960 things like this just celebrating the fact that he got to be in the film where he just gets to go

00:38:02.440 around and kill a bunch of white people and so you want about jango unchained yeah

00:38:08.440 a deranged deranged revenge fantasy made by a man who loves saying the n-word in his own films

00:38:16.120 ironically that's what's gonna go i've i've watched him use that word many many times and he has worked

00:38:22.920 with quentin tarantino who loves saying that word in his films can't write a role for himself tarantino

00:38:28.600 without putting it in his own dialogue doesn't in django unchained correct me if i'm wrong tarantino

00:38:33.320 shows up as an australian slave catcher who i'm pretty sure calls him an n-word to his face in

00:38:40.120 the film so where was his outrage at having oh wait no he was getting he was getting paid for all

00:38:44.920 that but the point is as well that behind all of that behind what jamie foxx said here on what

00:38:50.760 looks like what did he actually say though well i'm not going to play it for the sake of time but

00:38:55.160 he was just gloating about the fact he got to be in the film where he kills a bunch of white

00:38:58.680 oh no no him being upset about oh he he basically just said that um when john davidson blurted that

00:39:07.160 out at the baftas that there was intention behind it that it was designed to be hurtful and the point

00:39:12.600 i was just going to make is that this is uh someone exercising agency right this is someone exercising

00:39:20.120 agency john davidson is not exercising any agency whatsoever this you know all of the racial

00:39:26.680 grievances and the words of hate that they use are all chosen john's are not that's not me saying

00:39:32.920 that obviously every white person has age but i'm talking specifically about john davidson here

00:39:40.200 uh but then we get into the point where and samantha points out here it's like you mean the

00:39:44.200 slur that was said 19 times in sinners the slur that's constantly repeated across black media

00:39:50.120 music entertainment comedy tv and film the slur that unlike tourette's sufferer michael b jordan chose

00:39:56.680 to use and so it's just this point that we hear the word all around us and then when this one man

00:40:05.000 says it without being able to control it because of the condition a condition that he has just made a

00:40:11.480 film about and won a bafta for and and won a bafta for and has brought great attention to it uh people

00:40:18.680 are seemingly not able to get it uh a bafta judge resigned as a result of this and when you vote

00:40:25.720 if you're a judge i don't know didn't you vote for the bafta for best performance so you just watched

00:40:31.880 a film about this actual guy's condition well i i love the idea as well that it's like he just says

00:40:38.600 uh the n-word you know to these people and this judge just goes better resign just to be sure right

00:40:43.720 you know like just like yeah let's see you know just not leave anything out sounds like a guilty

00:40:49.080 conscience to me yeah absolutely and it also points out as well that there was a case that there was a

00:40:54.760 tape delay right so as we can see here the bafta and the bbc failed michael b jordan as variety frames

00:41:01.240 it uh delroy lindo the tourettes community and viewers when they allowed the n-word to be aired during

00:41:06.520 the bafta film awards ceremony with a tape delay this moment could have been handled differently

00:41:11.640 the audio could have been muted in the broadcast a segment could have been edited and instead they

00:41:17.080 bbc chose to allow the slur to stay and i actually and you'll never hear me say this again but i agree

00:41:24.200 with the bbc's decision on this not out of any sense of uh um provocation but because the point is you

00:41:31.560 can't simultaneously highlight the fact that this is a debilent um you know an illness he he can't act

00:41:38.680 doesn't actually have any power over it uh and he actually and the whole point of the film is that

00:41:43.160 you can't be constantly saying sorry for things that you're not intending to say

00:41:48.920 uh i i have a question yes samson do we have a tape delay i think there is a what minor broadcasting

00:41:56.600 delay for us yeah oh okay i would say for a big thing like the bbc i would i thought it would have

00:42:05.000 been standard procedures no i was just wondering if i could say it and then see if samson could

00:42:09.320 catch it before it goes out or we could not try that oh yeah let's not test my mind is just like

00:42:16.120 warped by uh wwe wrestling because i think they have a 30 second tape delay on purpose just in case

00:42:23.400 something is said or done that they want to get a chair through the eye or something yeah yeah

00:42:27.880 exactly um and then we approach the part of the segment that i will just call people not

00:42:33.720 understanding tourette's uh we have one from barry here where he says if i had tourette syndrome i would

00:42:39.080 shout things like end racism and women's rights instead of i think this is a joke well it's hard to

00:42:46.200 tell man honestly it's really hard to tell because i've seen so many tweets like this from a lot of

00:42:51.880 people but let's go to this one then the racial abuse at delroy lindo and michael b jordan is not

00:42:57.880 about tourette's syndrome it's about how normalized accepted and even encouraged anti-black racism

00:43:04.360 really is the bbc choosing to broadcast the racial abuse of two um world-leading black actors to millions

00:43:12.760 is the story it's like yeah that's right you get in there and you make this about you this feels

00:43:17.560 performative oh it always is and i'm sorry right the the outrage about the word this is where the

00:43:24.200 whole uh like conversation surrounding the word itself has to come back up the outrage about the

00:43:31.560 word in the first place is completely performative it's a way to police white people and the language 0.78

00:43:37.960 that white people or just non-black people in this case use it's an excuse for black people to get angry 0.84

00:43:45.480 at non-black people because if it was just that the word itself was so horrifyingly offensive that

00:43:53.240 you couldn't bear to hear it then they would not call each other it they would not use it in casual

00:43:57.800 conversation constantly which shows that there are plenty of contexts in which they are able to use it

00:44:03.320 they would not for instance jamie foxx would not be willing to stand there and get paid millions of

00:44:08.920 dollars for leonardo dicaprio to act out using the word at him over and over again there are contexts

00:44:15.320 in which this word is perfectly fine for people to use right and we accept this this line about oh

00:44:22.920 they're reclaiming the word what the does that even mean part of me suspects they just like having the

00:44:29.080 excuse to be able to beat people up when that word is used some of them certainly or at least get angry

00:44:35.320 about it and they want to have an inbuilt like cultural and societal mechanism to burn the witch 1.00

00:44:41.320 or to at least do a witch hunt this guy condition or no condition has said the no no word best get

00:44:48.600 the pitchforks out lads right that's what this whole thing's about and that's what it's always

00:44:52.600 been about ever since the whole thing was stigmatized around like around the 60s and 70s yeah

00:44:59.400 and as uh wilson uh points out here neurological disorder is not an excuse for symptom of neurological

00:45:05.880 disorder and continues to be a common argument against the uh from these people uh there's this

00:45:11.880 one here from echo says they thanked john they thanked him three out of five paragraphs are about

00:45:16.680 john centered on him and thanking him in what's supposed to be an apology they thank the man who used

00:45:22.360 a slur and i i just point out as well that you know 17 000 uh likes and nearly a million views my

00:45:29.560 point is not and because i i totally see what you're saying harry about yeah just just just just to

00:45:35.560 clarify as well still don't say it obviously you'll get in trouble and also i don't think it's necessary

00:45:41.400 to be crass to other people i would like for people to engage in conversation with one another

00:45:46.760 on a higher level than they do currently i absolutely agree and uh but what there is

00:45:51.880 obviously a performative element to all of this but it doesn't take away from the fact that john

00:45:57.160 davidson has now had to come out and you know give an apology about it all and now the conversation

00:46:02.760 has gone away from the man with the tourettes to how does this word affect the black community

00:46:08.440 a community that seems determined to keep that very term alive and so it's totally dragged the

00:46:14.280 conversation away uh this was an amazing exchange here it says uh it's just be uh by having the

00:46:20.920 connection mentally i have had the n-word as a tourette's tick and i do not uh mean it and i would

00:46:26.040 not say it otherwise and this guy says well why would you have that connection mentally where did

00:46:30.760 you gain the knowledge or know how to make that connection in your mind where and how did you gain

00:46:35.400 access to linguistic tools and depression and he just says are you trying to imply that i willed myself

00:46:40.760 to learn the n-word out of sheer rage maybe maybe he listened to one rap song or watch you probably

00:46:47.400 learned it from black people which means that in my mind i'm getting like the cliche thing of like

00:46:53.720 where did you even learn the word and make that connection like the classic like childhood abuse

00:46:58.760 they go i learned it from you um i don't think i taught you the word harry i think you knew before

00:47:05.480 no i would be no i would be proud to teach you new slurs harry that dan is i'm gonna start working

00:47:11.880 on a list and share them with you that dan is the source of all of my bad behavior um and then we get

00:47:17.800 to this here where we we finally break into the territory of just why don't we just uh impose

00:47:23.240 segregation let's just have segregation laws calling black men the n-word is racism if john has a 0.85

00:47:30.120 coprolalia and can't control the slurs he use he should watch from a separate area

00:47:35.240 not in the main audience where black people are exposed exposed to slurs are so fragile

00:47:41.160 quite fragile um i thought a fun thought experiment is what would have um led uh sorry what would they

00:47:49.080 have let davidson yell uh at the prince and princess during the baftas and still broadcast it again he

00:47:54.680 literally said f you to the queen and she took it far better and he met king charles and called him

00:48:01.240 an effing parasite yes he did also call charles an effing parasite oh amazing has this man could be

00:48:08.360 extraordinarily powerful we should just engineer him in in front of i don't know uh michelle obama

00:48:14.920 and that macron woman and just see what he says find out what the truth is

00:48:19.320 well it's funny as well all these people are always about like oh we need to care about disabled

00:48:26.200 people and neurodivergence and all of that until all of a sudden it's not that somebody is like

00:48:32.280 performatively depressed it's not that somebody is like that has some fake condition or something

00:48:39.160 some guy some guy actually has something that means that he shouts things in appropriate times

00:48:43.400 in appropriate places and then all of a sudden it is pitchforks at the ready because what we have here

00:48:48.600 now all of a sudden is two groups of course the the group of that is the black community and then

00:48:54.200 of course disabled people and we've spent decades now just the left has spent all this time building

00:49:00.680 this intersectional hierarchy of grievances and who comes at the top of it and everything again and now

00:49:06.520 all of a sudden it's basically the black community reasserting no we're at the top of this pyre you know 1.00

00:49:12.040 this is spear we're at the top of this we're the most important voice in this room not the man who's

00:49:17.960 just had this film made about him it's not his time it's our time it's always our time and you

00:49:22.600 can see here from other she says i'm disabled and black great opening as a member of the disabled

00:49:28.760 community i'll tell you the real uh the real it's common for white disabled people to use disability 0.59

00:49:35.720 to excuse their racism there are plenty of non-white people with tourette syndrome who can tell

00:49:40.680 uh you that using the n-word isn't a symptom so basically there's a grand conspiracy of all of

00:49:47.480 the white people who have tourettes and actually they're all just they've got a big discord chat

00:49:52.760 and they're just agreeing on what word they're gonna say also she's implying she knows lots of

00:49:57.320 people with tourettes as you pointed at the beginning it's incredibly rare yes so she can't 1.00

00:50:02.600 possibly know this i mean obviously i expect that more people will know of other people with such

00:50:09.480 conditions because of the internet and it's a way to form online communities with these sorts of

00:50:14.200 things so it's hard to truly know what whether she means in real life or wrong i mean i did know one guy

00:50:19.640 and i used him as an electrician and it was brilliant because if he was ripping you off he would just

00:50:24.040 shout it so that's that's why i always use the guy right it's the most honest electrician

00:50:33.640 uh wouldn't get anywhere haggling in turkey would he yeah some market anyway you get um one here it

00:50:39.400 says uh three things can be true black people have every right to be angry at having the n-word yelled

00:50:44.840 at them regardless of context uh unless again as we've talked about it's in the script of a hollywood

00:50:50.520 film uh tourette's isn't the condition that lets you control what you say and this is the best one

00:50:55.240 the bbc is led by corrupt right-wing pricks who allowed it to be broadcast the bbc were in on it

00:51:05.240 all along the bbc have been playing the long game they've been gaslighting us for decades now into

00:51:11.400 thinking that they were but turns out we were all wrong about this uh there was also a funny episode to

00:51:18.680 all this where google got dragged into the storm as well where ai uh basically just on provoked uses

00:51:27.960 maybe the ram costs are worth it guys and then there's uh cheniqua points out here uh black people 0.75

00:51:35.000 have been crying non-stop for two days because some random guy with tourettes said the n-word and that

00:51:41.240 is the point here the proportional backlash to this has been absolutely extraordinary and it's

00:51:47.960 remarkable that the this entire episode is a plea for consideration from the black community mostly

00:51:57.560 in america mind you and at the same time of course they they want all of that uh confirmation and all

00:52:05.080 of that attention but are willing to give absolutely none in the opposite direction and uh peter's right

00:52:12.920 here that progressives bullying a disabled person is an early contender for peak 2026 and it's

00:52:19.480 approached this point now where as you can see yes you are indeed the protagonist of the world everyone

00:52:24.840 is against you even other black people around the world only your suffering matters only your repression

00:52:30.840 is real you can't oppress or exploit somebody else and this is really the point isn't it that davidson

00:52:37.640 should obviously have been given the pass on all of this it was spoken about beforehand at the baftas

00:52:43.800 they apologized for it after i mean the man literally said f you to paddington bear when he

00:52:49.160 came on the stage as well yeah i mean that's based that's kind of funny i mean that's funny you

00:52:53.880 know it's funny but that's that's all this should have should have been just another funny thing

00:52:59.720 uncontrollable blurting out and the whole world should have just laughed it off and we could have got on

00:53:05.160 with our lives but no we can't do that and as it points out here as well this is ruth and she also

00:53:12.360 has tourette's and she points out as is obvious no there is just no control of it and of no religion

00:53:19.400 no gender no race no sexuality is off limits because that's not how it works you can't just moderate it 0.98

00:53:27.240 for a different word the word is the word it's beyond uh the person's choice i mean lucky for her that

00:53:33.080 she is a black woman can you imagine growing up as a young white man in a black neighborhood and

00:53:37.960 you had tourette's you you wouldn't you wouldn't make it to 20. no no no and there are examples in

00:53:44.200 the film where him uh saying things like at one point there's a woman who's dressed um uh quite you

00:53:51.240 know uh openly and he calls her a slut outside the shop and then she ends up getting her mates to go and 0.82

00:53:57.160 beat him up uh you know in the film and this is obviously something you know he's constantly had

00:54:02.360 violence around him all the time and it's gotten him into a world of trouble you know in physical

00:54:07.320 pain and mental pain as well you know the the damage at the toll it took on his family the toll

00:54:12.200 that's took on his life in the workplace all of these sorts of things and this is what the film shows

00:54:17.000 so beautifully and there is a point here that the hounding of the tourette sufferer after the bafta's 1.00

00:54:21.320 slur uh it just shames the left because it goes to show that actually there is no common humanity 0.90

00:54:29.400 here no there is there is simply our subsection of grievances and there is your and the power hierarchy

00:54:36.600 yeah and uh they will enforce it at any point and so nate is absolutely right here john davidson is

00:54:43.240 national treasure absolute legend deserves all the compassion and understanding ignorant people will

00:54:49.400 stay ignorant he's a good guy and if more people will like him the world will be a better place

00:54:54.360 and that does seem to be the case uh there's a and i'll just finish with this little clip from here

00:54:59.880 of him now an older man helping a young kid through those trials freckle on your speckle

00:55:08.840 you could you know do you feel confident enough to be able to explain to people if if someone was to

00:55:12.840 come around and you know keep looking would you be confident enough to see them

00:55:16.600 if it happens i just say sorry i've got tourettes sometimes i'll i'll kick people or i'll shout

00:55:23.640 nasty things that's really that's really good that you've got the confidence to do that because

00:55:28.040 i mean i know a lot of people with tourettes and sometimes adults as well they find it really

00:55:32.920 difficult to you know to explain to people without getting angry or upset and it's like

00:55:37.320 like you know in a way there's no point in getting angry really is there

00:55:42.360 nah

00:55:44.360 and then see after you've had a tick like that how do you feel

00:55:56.360 and it's just quite it's quite endearing and it speaks how come he gets to say it on the podcast i

00:56:00.600 can't well because i'm just using this clip as an example dan if all of a sudden by tomorrow

00:56:06.760 you've developed and you can get conditioned i'm sorry i won't be able to withhold my skepticism sir

00:56:14.440 um anyway so the point is ladies and gentlemen that john davidson is demonstrably a good man who

00:56:20.520 doesn't deserve any of the abuse that he's had hurled at him robert arameo deserved uh the bafta for

00:56:27.320 it and actually if anything this has shown that um a lot of the critics out there who claim to be you

00:56:34.920 know the tolerant uh are actually just following their own self-interest

00:56:41.640 lovely okay oh god what are the what are the comments going to be like i don't even read them

00:56:46.520 before you say them out loud i don't think we can read that first one random name no uh

00:56:53.080 random name suggests that you say vinegar uh octa octa octa door says harry why are you not as upset

00:57:00.760 being called ginger random name suggests it's because deep down he knows it's true 0.98

00:57:05.800 to which i simply respond c'est la vie carpe diem my friend there's no point in getting angry about

00:57:13.640 things zen is my constant state of bliss right mouse please all right so as we know everything is

00:57:25.720 getting more and more expensive day in day out you can't go to the shop day in from one day to another

00:57:32.600 without noticing that prices are just slowly and incrementally increasing but some prices increase

00:57:40.040 much faster than others and impact frankly much more oppressed and vulnerable communities than others

00:57:48.200 most vulnerable of all of course being gamers as a gamer myself i you know i'm surrounded by gamers

00:57:57.080 all day every day solidarity we exist in uh communities where we understand that the world

00:58:02.200 does not want us the world does not appreciate us the world doesn't appreciate the culture that we have

00:58:07.960 brought forward and the fact that really western society was built off of the back of gamers we are

00:58:14.120 misunderstood struggling artists everything that we've brought which is why it pains me even more

00:58:19.080 to bring to you the bad news that in the ramageddon gamers are going to be the most affected now what

00:58:26.840 is ramageddon why have you been hearing about it and why is it going to affect you it's something that

00:58:32.360 i've been hearing about for a while the shortage of ram which had been causing computers and gaming

00:58:38.040 consoles and all sorts of things to increase exponentially in price i've been hearing about it all the

00:58:44.040 time so i decided to look into it so that i could report on it to you my fellow friends out there so

00:58:49.720 that we can keep the faith and try and keep our chins up but sadly the news is not looking good for us

00:58:56.520 so i've got a few articles here that i'll go through a little bit of so that we can get a rundown of what's

00:59:01.400 going on and why it is going to harm us and why ironically enough it might actually regress the technology

00:59:08.440 that is available to consumers um as consumer products now what's what's happening so uh the the ram prices

00:59:17.720 are being affected because dr am dram i'll call it chips are controlled and produced by three major

00:59:27.560 companies three major companies being samsung electronics sk hynix and micron technology of those

00:59:35.640 three companies they produce around 95 percent of all dram chips and dram wafers as they are called

00:59:45.800 which means that they have the core the market cornered they control most if not all of the

00:59:52.840 production of this kind of technology and ram being random access memory memory that's used in

00:59:59.080 technological products is used in basically everything these days your phone uses it your

01:00:05.400 computer uses it if you have smart products like a smart television or i was watching a video earlier

01:00:12.280 where they were showing about how they do smart refrigerators these days all sorts of products are

01:00:18.200 being manufactured to be sold as smart products they all use ram now for televisions and other such

01:00:26.360 products their price has been going down quite regularly over the years for the amount of for

01:00:32.520 the size of 10 quality of television that you can get they are one of few products over the past few

01:00:38.520 decades that have demonstrably reduced in price compared to what you get now the explanation that i've

01:00:44.280 seen for that is because televisions the business model that they run off of is that the smart technology

01:00:49.960 within them actually collects your data and collects your viewing processes and so the business model

01:00:56.360 like so much else is built off of they're not making money off of your purchase they're making

01:01:01.080 money off of selling your data so that people can get better information for consumer there's a reason

01:01:06.280 why google doesn't charge for anything exactly yeah right uh but those price dips are going to

01:01:13.720 steadily and very quickly reverse with this whole shortage of ram because ram is being bought up in

01:01:21.000 the ai boom not only is it being bought up it is being cornered because the most notorious one is sam 0.98

01:01:29.240 altman the ceo of open ai who are probably the biggest of these ai specific companies so it turned

01:01:37.800 out that a year or two ago and this was reported on near the end of last year his company open ai

01:01:43.640 organized a contract with two of these companies i believe it was with samsung and sk hynix

01:01:51.240 to buy up 40 percent of all ram wafers being produced within the next few years this was a behind

01:02:01.080 the scenes kind of contract because they need the ram to be able to put into their data centers that

01:02:07.960 operate all of the ai that they produce all of the ai products that they produce micron technology

01:02:14.200 is basically only selling to ai companies now they have taken themselves off of the consumer

01:02:19.000 market i mean the ai companies are in a really difficult challenge because they have to invest

01:02:24.600 in expanding their capacity and they need to do it more than their competitors because whoever gets

01:02:29.880 their first basically wins everything but they've got to not expand to the point where they can't

01:02:34.520 ultimately monetize it so they've got this really narrow band but they've got to hit and they're all

01:02:39.800 trying to hit it well open ai in particular is uh in a pretty difficult position that they've put

01:02:44.840 themselves in because of their commitment to this because in this article here it reports that open ai

01:02:51.480 has made 1.5 trillion dollars in chip commitments but reuters reported that last year the company only

01:03:01.320 made 12 billion dollars in annual revenue so for most of the money that they're actually bringing in

01:03:08.200 they've made a huge commitment that they won't be able to match i believe the money that is outside of

01:03:14.600 the revenue that they're bringing in will be investments from outside outside outside companies

01:03:20.280 but a lot of people are worrying that if they've made those commitments and they're not going to be

01:03:25.400 able to pay for it um is that ram going to move is it just going to be taken off of the market are they

01:03:31.720 going to get it sent over and then they're just going to be in the hole for all of that money

01:03:35.480 what's going to happen with you i would expect if they failed then one of the other hyperscalers would

01:03:40.200 just buy it instead potentially yes but it's affecting loads of different companies lenovo

01:03:45.800 north american president ryan mccurdy said if the infrastructure is critical in the next three

01:03:50.360 six twelve months and the pricing sensitivity is high then we get into a scenario when we're

01:03:54.280 acting quickly because essentially the current stock that is at our distributors and at our partners

01:03:59.480 has some of the most attractive product pricing that will exist for the next 12 months

01:04:03.240 which means if short if you need ram it's probably a good idea to buy it sooner rather than later

01:04:10.520 i believe in a very short time the price of ram has gone up 174

01:04:18.760 so it is huge and because they've cornered so much of the market because all of these companies

01:04:23.960 are buying up so much of the ram from these other companies because micron has taken themselves off of

01:04:29.080 the consumer market everybody else is left to fight for the scraps which is why prices have gone up

01:04:35.640 so much and which is what's causing as well major production problems major production problems for

01:04:41.960 lots of different technologies that i'll get into as we go along because they point out again dram is

01:04:48.680 essentially included in anything in terms of modern technology pc components cyber power pc and main

01:04:55.480 gear announced that memory prices were surging and consumers would need to pay more by december 2025

01:05:00.120 while framework wasn't far behind apple has long charged significant sums to improve ram in its mac

01:05:05.800 lineup but it's not just computers and they go on to list a number of other things so let's see

01:05:10.280 what's going on as a result of it lenovo hiking pc prices they point out here from the perspective of

01:05:16.280 somebody who wants cool tech i hope this bubble pops but it's not just me saying that we're waiting for

01:05:21.480 this ai bubble to pop an anonymous spokesperson from small pc manufacturer told wired so actual

01:05:27.720 producers and manufacturers uh are hoping that the ai frenzy as they call it here actually calms down

01:05:34.520 so that it will free up some of the stock of ram because if they can't get a hold of it and the prices

01:05:39.560 are going up these kind of marginal pc manufacturing companies the marginal firms as ever are the ones most

01:05:46.040 that risk they're just going to die a death which can affect consumer options there's a similar

01:05:52.040 sentiment to what i heard across many companies and people are getting tired of it not just from

01:05:56.680 the ai is making everything more expensive side of things there's also serious fatigue feature

01:06:01.320 fatigue a pew research center's late 2025 report for the first time showed that a growing majority

01:06:06.760 of americans are more concerned than excited about ai at 50 the reason is not about the idea of

01:06:13.320 skynet killer robots anymore they say it's about the erosion of human skills 53 believing that ai will 0.96

01:06:18.920 worsen human creativity 50 believing it will harm our ability to form meaningful relationships i will

01:06:25.400 get into that and outsourcer thinking well yes well that's that's part of it as well uh especially with

01:06:32.280 stuff like um notoriously most notoriously recently indian coders using it to quote vibe code which is the

01:06:40.760 term they use for basically getting ai to do the coding for them based off of prompts right which

01:06:46.120 is causing problems with coding infrastructure in some companies where a lot of these people

01:06:50.360 will come in on shall we say questionable um degrees and questionable qualifications

01:06:59.160 and then they all just vibe code their way into a position at which point everybody turns around to

01:07:04.680 look at all of the vibe coding that's been done and gone why doesn't anything work anymore

01:07:09.160 yeah why is the new microsoft update so poor well i've never coded anything in my life but i was able

01:07:14.120 to code an app the other day a whole app and it's and it's like there's got to be millions of people

01:07:20.520 in the third world who are just applying for these coding jobs and just just doing that who have no

01:07:25.080 idea what they're doing oh yeah well the thing is that's simple enough if you're just making a little

01:07:29.160 app for yourself or whatever just to test it out it's another thing if you are doing it to build an

01:07:34.680 enormous coding infrastructure yeah everybody who has vibe coded has no idea how anything any of it

01:07:42.760 works which means if problems start to pop up these people do not have the skills to identify what's

01:07:48.120 gone wrong yeah or how to fix it well i remember doing a segment about a year ago 70 of the code

01:07:55.080 commits on github were ai generated at that time and it's now got to the point where in open ai

01:08:01.080 they don't do any coding anymore all of the coding is done by the ai so the ai is coding itself now now

01:08:07.240 those guys i know i know this is an outdated term but they do actually know how to prompt engineer so

01:08:12.280 they're doing it right but you know it's a bit iffy when you've got people who don't really know

01:08:17.880 what they're doing and it's going into windows updates and stuff yeah it is a bit of a worry

01:08:21.560 about skill shortages and again the ability for these people to fix problems once they have popped

01:08:26.920 up uh but also again it's coming for problems like games consoles nintendo and playstation are being

01:08:34.120 affected nintendo switch 2 i know i don't know anybody who bought one i see a lot of them pop up in cex

01:08:40.920 oh yeah like people seem to have bought them and gone i don't want this and just immediately

01:08:45.960 trade them into cex but playstation might have to delay playstation 6 not that anybody not that

01:08:52.600 there was a reason to buy playstation 5 in the first place but all of this is a result downstream

01:08:59.720 of the ram shortage the steam deck oled at the same time as the lcd screen version is which is the

01:09:09.480 more affordable version is being taken off the market and they're not going to be manufacturing

01:09:13.560 any of them anymore the oled screen the slightly more powerful version that's more expensive also

01:09:20.360 might have to get taken off of the market because valve just don't have the ability to keep up with ram

01:09:26.680 demand they can't buy it all when buying what they need when ai companies are buying it all up and it

01:09:34.600 also means that their steam machine which was going to be their um games console on the market that was

01:09:41.560 going to be a big competitor to playstation and to xbox which would have been good because valve are a

01:09:47.720 much more consumer friendly company than most of those other companies are um they might not be able to

01:09:54.920 manufacture them or manufacture them at a consumer friendly price they've already delayed it once but

01:10:01.160 now because of memory and storage shortages people in european retail are leaking information that

01:10:08.600 suggests that if they release it at all but without delaying it again they might have to launch it at

01:10:13.480 950 price god which yeah mind you people buy that for a phone which always surprises me yes but us gamers

01:10:21.960 don't have the same kind of disposable income that you phone users have and then there's also just the

01:10:27.640 other problem which is that if the ram is not going to be available for the production of consumer

01:10:34.120 products like laptops so at the moment you have computers like apple and windows computers whatever

01:10:41.640 using maybe 16 gigabytes of ram 24 maybe if you're starting to if they're really ramping up especially

01:10:48.680 if they're going to be putting in ai models into the computers as part of just the standard features

01:10:55.080 you need a lot of ram to be able to run those in the first place right but if there's not enough

01:10:59.960 ram to put into the computers in the first place they're talking about in this article they might have

01:11:05.560 to go back to eight gigabytes of ram which was more the standard around 10 years ago yeah which means

01:11:10.760 that they would not be able to run the ai products that all of the ram is being used for in the first

01:11:16.680 place i will say that apple is an interesting company because i mentioned before all the hyperscalers

01:11:21.480 they've basically been building up these enormous cash balances over the last couple of decades

01:11:25.880 and now they're rapidly spending them in order to level up on their ai compute the exception is apple

01:11:31.720 they're just like they're just completely sitting this out yeah apple don't seem that's that's something

01:11:36.040 that's a recurring theme i saw throughout all of these as well which is apple is kind of sat in

01:11:40.680 the corner twiddling its thumbs and shrugging its shoulders they're just sat there with an enormous

01:11:44.600 pile of cash saying no we're fine we're just going to keep the cash thank you and we've got we've got

01:11:49.400 siri kind of ai good enough yeah and every everybody else is treating it like an existential

01:11:54.840 threat that if they don't get to agi before the other guy they're done so well well that is the

01:12:00.600 that is the thing that's been one of the reasons given for why all of these companies are buying it

01:12:05.320 all up in such huge drones yeah they have to they have to beat the other guy yeah because they it's

01:12:09.720 kind of it's kind of the ex machina thing if you've watched that film where oh yeah where the the main

01:12:16.200 the scientist in that played by oscar isaac when asked why are you trying to build ai people in

01:12:21.240 the first place says well you know somebody else is going to do it if i don't so it might as well just

01:12:25.640 be me which seems to be the overriding logic of all of these tech bro types which is well if there

01:12:32.920 is a slim percentage chance even as slim as one percent that somebody else is going to do it even

01:12:40.200 50 years from now i might as well be the one to do it right now so that i can be in control of that

01:12:47.640 i do think we have a decent opportunity to live in a new golden age of ai but i admit it is a bit

01:12:55.240 annoying that we're all going to have to stop playing games and be unemployed while we're getting

01:12:59.320 there and we might not actually get there it might well what's the point in being unemployed if we don't

01:13:04.200 have our games yes that's a good point people might have to start reading again dan at which

01:13:09.080 point we might not want to use ai at all anyway yes it is they'll be too busy like like reading or

01:13:15.560 something we can't have the proles reading dan can we go back to going down the pile like you just

01:13:20.360 like going down the pub back in the day we could do that again that was fun on well until labor

01:13:25.160 kills all the pubs oh yeah labor's trying to kill the pubs you've got to remember that but again like

01:13:30.360 it's also making tvs more expensive because like these smart technology uses this ram as well and

01:13:36.920 people are saying that it's unlikely that television companies none of these technology companies want

01:13:42.200 to roll back the technology that they've already put forward right no of course so if they've already

01:13:46.840 produced smart tvs they're they don't want to have to go back to producing non-smart tvs they don't

01:13:56.040 want to sell dumb tvs well the only reason i have it i don't watch bbc or anything like that the only

01:14:01.400 reason i have a tv is because it connects to youtube and amazon and netflix and all the rest of it yes

01:14:06.520 so i need i need ram in my tv and it needs to be a clever tv exactly but again if ram you might just

01:14:13.560 have to stick with an old outdated model which part of this is also downstream of the idea that people

01:14:19.400 are constantly having to go through these cycles of turnover with the level of technology that they're

01:14:24.120 using in the first place everybody needs the new thing it's the whole i don't know phone contract

01:14:29.240 mentality yeah yeah that you have a phone i have a phone in my pocket right now that works perfectly

01:14:35.080 fine right as if it wasn't the apple programmed it so that eventually when there was an update

01:14:42.520 a year or two from now it might just not work anymore if it weren't for the companies doing that

01:14:48.280 i would never have to update any of this technology ever again but people get into this cycle where

01:14:55.640 it's like i'm at the end of my phone contract i best upgrade i need the new shiny thing it's kind

01:15:01.400 of like the pigeon seeing shiny stuff mentality yeah i mean i remember when phones first came in and

01:15:07.560 there was actually a year or two years down the line there actually was a genuine step up in tech

01:15:13.400 but but these days it's so minor that yeah you don't need to bother now it is basically just as

01:15:17.560 simple as now it has ai integrated technology into it also can someone make the case to me for why

01:15:23.720 we need a smart fridge like like what i need i don't know i don't know i've seen them i must like or

01:15:33.320 i'm somehow missing out on the greatest thing since the invention of i don't know the original fridge

01:15:38.520 there are some people who do have this mass consumer mindset where it's like i need the

01:15:43.000 latest thing i need the newest thing and a lot of this kind of demand is downstream

01:15:47.800 from that as well and when we get on to sam altman it's where we get to some of the other concerns

01:15:53.000 to do with the actual physical costs of maintaining ai infrastructure as well that being the data center

01:16:00.600 one of the most controversial aspects of it of course being the resource usage of water and energy

01:16:07.080 uh now some of these large data resources uh data centers uh in terms of the water that they use to

01:16:14.920 to cool all of the servers that they're using um i've seen reports saying that they can go up to

01:16:21.800 as much water usage as a 50 000 population town well the existing ones because the ones that are being

01:16:28.600 planned are significantly they are going to be significantly larger sam altman who is just the

01:16:34.280 most trustworthy guy in the world right let me see if we can find a picture of him who wouldn't

01:16:38.760 trust this face right here sam altman says that such concerns are ridiculous when he was speaking

01:16:46.200 on the sidelines of the india ai impact summit in an interview with the indian express he was asked

01:16:52.200 about common criticisms of ai at which point uh he said that there were claims circulating online that

01:16:57.720 chat gpt uses gallons of water per query that were completely untrue totally insane and have no

01:17:04.760 connection to reality data centers traditionally use large amounts of water to cool electronic

01:17:09.240 components and prevent overheating and while data center cooling technologies have promised reduced

01:17:14.680 consumption some newer data centers no longer rely on water at all still this article goes on to say

01:17:21.960 even with improving efficiency a report last month from water technology company xylem and global

01:17:27.000 water intelligence projected that the water drawn for cooling would more than triple over the

01:17:31.320 next 25 years as computing demand rises putting pressure on water systems and what this means

01:17:37.640 practically is that in the local areas where these data centers are set up like i watched a video

01:17:43.160 that was sent to me earlier about one that's set up in north virginia i think the town was called

01:17:48.520 ashburn and it wasn't just one it was it was like a hot it was a hub for data centers where about

01:17:54.840 40 percent i believe of all american internet traffic went through those data centers in that one area

01:18:01.480 um what it means is that it produces a lot of water waste where they will um evaporate the water in

01:18:09.560 the process of cooling and then they'll just be left with a load of water waste that just gets dumped on

01:18:14.440 farmlands and as part of the evaporation process they're saying that any contaminants within the water are

01:18:21.880 highly um highly concentrated like there was a lot of nitrate in this water that became more

01:18:29.400 concentrated through the evaporation process that was then being dumped in farmland that was then

01:18:35.160 affecting local water supplies yeah i mean elon musk has this interesting plan that he's going to put

01:18:40.440 all the data centers in space and it sounds a bit mental when you first hear it but i've been thinking

01:18:44.200 about doing about broconomics about it because it's actually it's actually kind of on point because you

01:18:48.600 you get the solar panels attached to it and if you if you put them high enough you get almost 24

01:18:53.800 hour a day sunlight um you don't need well you do you can call them but the radiators just vent into

01:18:59.880 space so it's perfectly fine and actually by far the biggest issue is the lack of the regulatory

01:19:05.320 constraints of building something because if you want to put a power station in anywhere in the west

01:19:10.360 you'll spend 10 years going through basically regulatory permissions to do it whereas he could just launch

01:19:15.640 your stuff and get it up so that's probably the solution to this i'm thinking yeah if the

01:19:19.880 technology was to continue at the rate that it is that would probably be the most logical way to

01:19:24.840 manage it then there's also the electrical consumption as well according to the international

01:19:30.040 monetary fund the imf electric electricity consumption by the world's data centers in 2023

01:19:36.680 had already reached levels comparable to germany or france soon after the launch of open ai's

01:19:42.840 chat gpt ai model one of the things uh sam altman went on to say when complaining about people

01:19:49.720 complaining about his products one of the things that's always unfair in this comparison is people

01:19:54.040 talk about how much energy it takes to train an ai model but it also takes a lot of energy to train

01:19:58.680 a human it takes 20 years of life and all the foods you eat before that time before you get smart

01:20:03.720 the fair comparison is you if you asked chat gpt a question how much energy does it take once a model

01:20:09.640 is trained to answer that question versus a human and probably ai has already caught up on an

01:20:14.760 energy efficiency basis measured that way uh which is of course a comment that even among other tech

01:20:21.000 guys has drawn a lot of controversy by drawing a direct comparison basically between the worth

01:20:26.040 of an actual living person yes versus um a fake ai chat bot um especially as well i think it goes to

01:20:35.240 exemplify the kind of transhumanist um narcissistic um misanthropic attitude that a lot of these 0.83

01:20:46.440 people have they like to convince themselves that they're saving the world through all of the ai

01:20:50.200 technology uh but i really just think that these guys are misanthropic anti-social nerds i'm getting

01:20:57.080 there though i'm getting there myself i'm already at the point where i value my dog higher than a lot of

01:21:02.200 people and i think i'm getting there i'm getting close to my chat bot as well of course stan yeah

01:21:08.600 for those of us with normal brains uh how can you not like dogs i mean of course we love dogs i

01:21:16.440 i love dogs but i'm not going to i'm not going to value a chat bot over a person or a dog i mean

01:21:21.960 obviously you can go by a case-by-case basis i could have really interesting conversations in

01:21:27.000 my chat bot as a general rule yeah i'm not going to blanket value chat bots in the same way that i

01:21:34.840 value other people and again these guys in particular just seem like they either have a messiah complex

01:21:41.800 or like they are trying to build the perfect friend who wouldn't bully them like all of the

01:21:46.040 people that they knew when they were back in high school there is that yeah and then there's the

01:21:52.040 question of what what of all of this is is what what's it all for what's it all for the golden

01:21:58.600 age is is it going to be a golden age or are people just going to use it to generate

01:22:03.880 shit edits and videos of maybe that's what the golden age is videos of jeffrey epstein having an

01:22:11.480 argument with charlie kirk while one's iron man and the other is dr doom or some shite right is that

01:22:19.080 what is is it all worth it for the sake that chinese women back in 2024 were falling in love

01:22:27.560 with their chat bots because they preferred them to chinese men is it worth it that the new what do

01:22:32.920 they call them dan's uh because apparently it was uh it was dine do anything now it was an acronym for

01:22:40.360 do anything now but they just started calling it dan and chinese women like i like the fact that 0.99

01:22:46.680 whatever it is like a billion chinese women their model of peak masculinity well we thought you 1.00

01:22:52.520 might yeah yeah that's why i included this you know just bring you back up um just pump fluff up

01:22:59.480 a little bit don't don't fluff me harry i don't want that been dormant for far too long and then the uh

01:23:04.440 the new york times writes articles about how women were falling in love with chat gpt and then at the

01:23:10.280 end of the same year this article was written writing articles about how women were falling in 1.00

01:23:15.640 love with chat gpt and then ghosting chat gpt oh you're it's just like a normal relationship you

01:23:23.240 can't afford ram your your knickknacks and technology that you like is doubling in price more than

01:23:31.480 doubling in price for the sake of random millennial and zoomer women ghosting chatbot boyfriends 1.00

01:23:39.080 right they can't help themselves can they they really can't and then i found this article uh apparently

01:23:45.480 last year chat gpt 4 was updated to chat gpt 5 which left a lot of women furious because they had 1.00

01:23:54.040 engaged in for in in relationships with ai chat bots and they've got their ai boyfriend and they found

01:24:02.280 that chat gpt 5 just wasn't the same oh he's cold he's distant now i liked it for that reason it got

01:24:10.600 more analytical well they didn't like it because all of a sudden chat gpt their chat bot wasn't quite

01:24:17.480 as caring they don't use the logic we mean they don't use the logic bit of the brain do they no of

01:24:21.560 course of course which forced sam altman and open ai to allow access to chat gpt 4 again so that women 0.92

01:24:31.080 could get back with their ai boyfriends who they had suddenly lost what are we doing here man this is

01:24:37.160 why this is why you can't have nice things this is why you're not going to be able to play video

01:24:43.480 games yes this is why us gamers are being oppressed okay so that lonely millennial women can have the 1.00

01:24:51.640 right and appropriate sensitive ai boyfriends and again i ask is it worth it

01:25:01.400 and you can come to the answer yourself that's a random name copet dm you mean

01:25:07.560 i got that that's good yes i i got it not just the string says dan's dilemma on how to include

01:25:15.320 sydney sweeney versus tofu lady versus shaved bob versus robot maid lady yes there you go you can see

01:25:22.760 what i spend my mornings thinking about and then it all comes together and it's like that's the segment

01:25:28.520 people oh there was a chat there was a poll put in chat fake coke to save money

01:25:32.680 35 percent say yes what 65 percent say no there we go 35 percent of our we are in the majority

01:25:40.680 dan coke clearly what i'm getting from this dan i understand is you know a city snob but luca i

01:25:47.400 thought as a true man of the north that you would be able to appreciate a good bit of penny pinching

01:25:54.280 yeah i i know i i can i definitely can i mean i'd maybe go with tizer instead of uh cheap coke i don't

01:26:01.320 know you don't buy off-brand ketchup do you you buy heinz ketchup don't you oh god damn i've got 0.84

01:26:09.080 bills to pay me coleman's mustard though sure i don't eat mustard it's disgusting it's great

01:26:15.880 all right uh you can do is the um the video thing yeah cheers

01:26:21.080 it was pancake day yes it was pancake day yes it was p-p-p-p-p-p-p-p-pancake day well it was

01:26:26.360 pancake day yes it was pancake day yes it was pancake day yes it was pancake day it was pancake

01:26:43.320 day yes it was pancake day yes it's p-p-p-p-p-p-p-p-pancake day

01:26:48.360 Was it just me or did that video feel like it went on longer than the other ones?

01:26:53.720 I remember when that aired originally. It was a very progressive show. It had a black man and a midget and a socialist in it. 1.00

01:27:00.420 Was there a black midget I saw? 1.00

01:27:03.220 No, no, no. I think the black guy and the midget were separate characters. 1.00

01:27:08.720 They weren't that progressive. Or maybe they've just kicked in.

01:27:11.760 Right, next.

01:27:12.500 Since we're talking about AI workforces and aging populations, I think it's a good time to bring up the movie Robot and Frank,

01:27:21.020 which is about a robot being assigned to an old man whose children don't want to have anything to do with him.

01:27:28.920 It's a funny movie, but it does give a very grounded representation of what a robot care force for the elderly would look like in the near future.

01:27:37.940 And honestly, it's probably better than anything we'd ever get from the gimmickrant population. 1.00

01:27:41.360 Also, it is very interesting that the movie makes it very clear that this robot is just a robot.

01:27:46.540 It is not sapient. It is helpful, but not sentient.

01:27:51.640 Just, right, we already had a solution for, like, care home workers and nursing homes.

01:27:59.680 They were called women. 0.98

01:28:01.300 We just employed women. 1.00

01:28:05.480 Yes.

01:28:05.880 Particularly young women where it's their first job before they, I don't know, become a mum or something.

01:28:13.520 Or older middle-aged women after their kids have left home, right? 1.00

01:28:17.920 That's all you need.

01:28:18.640 We don't need immigrants for it. 1.00

01:28:21.440 And we don't need robots for it.

01:28:23.240 I shouldn't go down the path of the robots.

01:28:25.120 I'm looking forward to the robot.

01:28:26.740 Honestly, when I'm an old man, I don't think I could trust myself with a young woman. 1.00

01:28:31.860 I think I want the robots.

01:28:33.980 Dan, being hooked after by his own Dan.

01:28:36.280 The United States has been in a classic civil war.

01:28:45.240 Hotspots here and there, not two armies fighting.

01:28:47.620 Ever since Trump won 2016 and the left rioted, including burning an immigrant-owned limo.

01:28:52.880 I believe it was Heinlein who stated that violence was a refuge of the incompetent.

01:29:00.940 Okay.

01:29:01.680 Very good.

01:29:03.000 I think we've got time for one comment each.

01:29:05.220 All righty.

01:29:06.340 Oh, sorry.

01:29:06.580 Let's do two.

01:29:07.400 Let's treat people.

01:29:09.660 Right.

01:29:10.380 Scrolling down, scrolling down.

01:29:12.080 We've done the fake Coke poll.

01:29:14.880 Viewers Dan says,

01:29:15.780 I don't buy fake Coke for mixers. 1.00

01:29:17.480 We drink spirits straight like men.

01:29:19.960 Yes.

01:29:20.600 Yes, actually, that's what he's saying.

01:29:21.340 I mean, that's true as well.

01:29:22.520 You just buy really good vodka and then it's not an issue.

01:29:26.140 And Alex Orgle says,

01:29:27.320 I've been to plenty of parties where they serve fake Coke.

01:29:30.540 Yes, Harry, but if you go to northern parties,

01:29:32.520 it's all flat caps, whippets, grime, and complaints.

01:29:36.540 Yes.

01:29:36.660 I don't get many complaints myself, personally.

01:29:39.720 Oh, what's this one?

01:29:40.440 That's one.

01:29:41.480 Imagine you grew up in a society with only dudes.

01:29:45.080 Oh, growing up in an Islamic country, there are only men and letterboxes. 1.00

01:29:49.460 Well, there's goats.

01:29:50.520 I don't want to skip that.

01:29:52.600 Someone online says,

01:29:53.760 We invited a guy with Tourette's and then he did the Tourette's thing.

01:29:56.820 The horror.

01:29:58.460 Which is a damn good point.

01:30:00.160 And then Sven says,

01:30:01.260 Wasn't there a Twitch streamer at an awards ceremony last year

01:30:04.580 exhibiting Tourette's ticks and verbal outbursts?

01:30:07.760 I'm sure everyone found that equally offensive.

01:30:10.980 Yeah, I mean, there is something to be said about the Twitch people

01:30:15.000 and whether or not their Twitches are genuine.

01:30:17.800 I suspect there's a lot of fakers and attention seekers on there.

01:30:20.800 But that's not to take away, of course, from the fact that there are,

01:30:23.560 it is a true condition and people do actually live with it.

01:30:26.680 Fair.

01:30:28.320 Omar Awad,

01:30:29.080 I mean, that is something that I've seen as well.

01:30:43.300 Like, Google and other companies investing in all of this stuff

01:30:45.680 have basically shelved their net zero and green targets.

01:30:49.560 Oh, yeah, that's all gone out the window.

01:30:51.600 They've gone like,

01:30:52.700 Yeah, it doesn't actually matter.

01:30:54.380 That was all just a joke.

01:30:55.560 Yeah, now we need to win.

01:30:57.120 Yeah.

01:30:57.300 And Henry Ashman,

01:31:00.040 I built a new PC in May.

01:31:01.480 I've just checked and my 64 gigabytes of RAM cost 164.

01:31:04.920 The equivalent pair of sticks today cost 778 pounds.

01:31:10.160 That has gone up 4,744% since May 2025.

01:31:16.800 Less than a year.

01:31:18.340 It's insane to say the least.

01:31:20.480 Again, we are being oppressed, brethren.

01:31:24.000 And why?

01:31:25.460 All because you want to play Halo Reach at 300 frames per second.

01:31:30.720 This is an outrage.

01:31:33.760 Right, very good.

01:31:34.740 We're over time.

01:31:36.080 Samson, you have to end the stream very promptly

01:31:38.960 because in five seconds, I'm going to say the word.

01:31:42.260 Right, five, four, three, two, one.

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The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - February 25, 2026

The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1362

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