The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1365

00:00:00.000 good afternoon folks welcome to this slightly delayed podcast the low seaters for monday the

00:00:03.980 second of march 2026 i'm gonna be honest i got stood up a bit broken hearted but thankfully my

00:00:09.660 beautiful co-host stilly also stepped in to help me out so i'm the euro maxing factor here that's

00:00:14.700 why it's 20 past that's not the reason by the way this is not the reason i can confirm also it's not

00:00:22.880 car it's neither car's fault no i turned up exactly on time like the the anglo-protestant

00:00:27.940 i am uh no no don't worry it doesn't matter we'll talk about it another time so anyway um so today

00:00:33.780 we're going to be talking about uh the scale of the state right you think you understand the scale of

00:00:38.560 the state but you don't and we're going to go through it in detail all with numbers from the

00:00:43.580 government and just put it in context just how unbelievably rinsed we are getting you again

00:00:49.760 you don't understand how bad it is right then we're going to talk about how well they admit that

00:00:54.340 they're colonizing us like they're very proud everyone's very proud of colonizing britain

00:00:57.780 which i realize is something we've talked about before but it just keeps happening

00:01:01.040 they just keep rubbing in our faces and then we're going to talk about why restore britain

00:01:05.020 is basically an ultimatum at this point it's basically no we we will have our way or else it

00:01:10.980 will be trouble and i don't want the trouble i want to avoid the trouble but this has to be the

00:01:15.200 way things go anyway um directly after the podcast that i think about 3 15 something like

00:01:22.320 a slight delay uh maybe 3 30 uh for us's real politics show will be live and uh well i mean a

00:01:30.160 few things have happened i wasn't i was i could have talked about like iran stuff but you know i'm not

00:01:34.740 the guy i i don't follow it i wasn't monitoring the situation feras hasn't slept a weekend this

00:01:40.960 wasn't exactly chad jack's weekend no it wasn't i was trying my best to deny that anything was happening

00:01:47.120 and also i was i was complaining a bit that everything happens during the weekend we get a

00:01:52.320 we get a weekend to relax and the the entire bulk of the news cycle happens then it's because trump

00:01:58.680 knows that ursula von der leyen is on her work-life balance and she can't log in until monday morning

00:02:03.280 so he can do whatever he wants before he gets a snotty email from her anyway so that'll be obviously a

00:02:08.360 very important episode that i'll be watching as well because i have no idea what's happened and it can't

00:02:12.540 be good but anyway so let's let's begin this is the british empire at its peak and i think this was

00:02:19.920 1922 1923 uh it's about 13.7 million square miles that's about a quarter of the earth's land area

00:02:29.040 it is 458 million people roughly about a quarter of the earth earth's population and it warred with

00:02:36.820 just about every continent i mean it occupies every continent it warred with just about every people

00:02:41.500 under the sun and had about 300 000 standing troops which is surprisingly small obviously about

00:02:46.640 four million in the navy uh and the question is well how much administration did this vast imperial

00:02:52.960 undertaking require well the answer is not all that much because we actually have incredible records

00:02:59.300 of this because we live in the continuity of the british empire the british empire never fell

00:03:05.700 we didn't lose a war at least on paper and so we haven't lost all of our records because you know

00:03:12.380 the uh the the capital was burned down and we lost all the records with it because they weren't inscribed

00:03:17.120 on clay and didn't bake hard like in the iraqi desert or something no we actually know exactly we've got

00:03:22.800 all the numbers because it was literally just 150 years ago or so that this sort of thing really sprung

00:03:28.160 into life so we have all the records we know exactly to the last man we know how much they were paid

00:03:33.760 we know everything about this and when you compare that to now you just oh my god how was this possible

00:03:41.560 how how could it have been right so this is as you can see a paper called the evolution of the

00:03:47.820 united kingdom civil service 1848 to 1997 by michael duggett b.a master of philosophy mitd don't even

00:03:55.040 know what is phd principal lecturer civil service college london so if anyone could be taken to be an

00:04:00.580 authority on this i think it's someone with that suite of qualifications who is the principal lecturer

00:04:06.200 at the civil service college in london right and so he says in 1929 to 1931 the royal the tomlin tomlin

00:04:14.620 royal commission examined the british civil service and found overall that it was very high quality

00:04:19.780 it had a series of exams and a series of classes that you had to take certain exams to get into the

00:04:25.080 classes and each one was the equivalent of a master's a bachelor's degree just to get into the

00:04:30.380 civil service and they had to proceed up through the rest was there no dei there no there wasn't it

00:04:34.580 was it was a lot it was a lot like a very pragmatic version of the kind of chinese imperial administration

00:04:40.340 actually where it was um a highly specialized and very very um merit-based merit merit meritocratic

00:04:47.900 yeah uh administrative organization and for the entire british empire everything you see the empire

00:04:55.000 upon which the sun never set there were 424 000 civil servants now 122 000 of those were involved in

00:05:04.140 the armed forces 300 000 of them were what they call non-industrial and only 8 000 of them were

00:05:10.140 colonial so everywhere outside of britain had 8 000 administrators you don't need that many civil

00:05:16.780 servants no you don't i mean i can appreciate uh the the necessity for civil servants in the army for

00:05:23.960 instance but you don't need that many especially now with technology which is the interesting thing

00:05:29.960 that now with the technology we have more whereas before yeah with less technology there were less and

00:05:36.280 i'm exactly the person to be co-hosting this segment because i i'm i really despise statism yeah no

00:05:44.260 it's it's it's insufferable in every manifestation frankly and so okay so you've got outside of the army

00:05:51.340 about 300 000 administrators for britain which is the colonial heartland and the entire empire and

00:05:58.960 that's everything that is the world's largest fleet that is an incredible professional army that is

00:06:04.040 the communications the the all all manner of sort of um bureaucracy to determine who is living where

00:06:11.240 for a quarter of the earth's population and everything they do i mean think of the postal service

00:06:16.220 like we had an international postal service where you could send letters from britain to india or from

00:06:22.300 africa to canada and things like this so right this is all done bureaucratically by a civil service

00:06:28.120 that was only 300 000 outside of the military right mental and there was a a former speaking about a

00:06:35.520 former civil servant called uh sir edward bridges right michael uh duggett says this uh sir edward's

00:06:41.840 effortlessly olympian and to the modern eye unconsciously masculine style speaks of in a

00:06:47.420 sense of the british civil service as it achieved a state of excellence arrived at after long evolution

00:06:53.520 based on accepted truths and validated by a victorious experience in the last war as in world war ii

00:06:59.000 as in so that the machine of the international civil service worked it actually did what it was

00:07:05.180 supposed to do and it did what it was supposed to do in a surprisingly cost efficient way so

00:07:11.560 for example again because this is all well within modernity we've got all the numbers right at its

00:07:19.260 post-war post-world war one territorial maximum extent right there was the billion pound budget

00:07:25.780 which sounds like a lot it's a lot of money well if we compare it with now it's it's not that much

00:07:32.300 not really um it sounds ridiculous right and that's that's a billion pounds in 1920s money as well

00:07:39.380 so it's a lot of money uh but that comes to about 68.2 billion pounds today can you even imagine

00:07:45.740 our government limping along on 68.2 billion pounds i mean that would be incredible if we could shrink

00:07:52.440 the size of the state to merely 68 billion pounds that would be mental i mean if you just toss up

00:08:00.440 again you only get rough estimates of the economy of the british empire right but it's in their money

00:08:06.740 in their time in that time it was something like 10.2 billion pounds so i don't know however much

00:08:11.780 that equates to now but that means that the total expenditure of the british empire at its very

00:08:18.400 height was about 10 percent of the total gdp of the empire yeah that sounds very reasonable we're

00:08:25.480 running an empire on a budget imagine how much money they must have been floating around elsewhere

00:08:29.620 and a big one not just a regional exactly regional one not just a big one the biggest one

00:08:36.740 the biggest empire that has ever existed in all of human history and so it's like right okay that's

00:08:41.900 very very interesting how they had a really efficient civil service they had only 300 000

00:08:47.700 non-military personnel uh administering the empire and they still managed to have it so it was only 10

00:08:54.780 percent of our entire budget and even then after world war ii that was considered too much they were

00:09:00.560 like oh we can't we can't sustain the empire anymore we just can't afford it you mentioned the the war

00:09:05.060 world war ii and i'm going to mention it not in the usual sense in which it it happens it's

00:09:10.480 in which it's mentioned it's just the rise of the welfare state and you can sort of understand the

00:09:16.400 kind of panic that people had immediately post world war ii yeah and the need to provide them with a

00:09:24.000 safety net but it seems to me that after a while this got completely expanded oh you think

00:09:30.500 just a little bit well i have to put things diplomatically and i have to put things

00:09:35.160 without making huge exaggerations well let's move on so 10 of the british empire's economy was spent by

00:09:42.600 the government in 1922 roughly through the billion pound bill uh through spending bills uh now if you

00:09:50.740 look for the office of budget responsibility they'll just tell you straight they'll be like yep it's um

00:09:55.660 it's not great they've got there we go a nice graph here now it's 1.37 trillion from 68 billion

00:10:04.500 to 1.37 trillion and that's in adjusted money as well so 68 billion in 1922 1.37 trillion now and as

00:10:13.380 you can see the receipts that the state brings in is only 1.232 billion uh trillion sorry which means

00:10:19.980 we've got a deficit of 138 billion pounds a year so more than double what the state was spending in

00:10:27.120 1922 is our deficit now what we are borrowing now this is absurd this is just crazy and like i said

00:10:37.540 people just don't understand the scale of the problem it is crazy but it's the logical conclusion

00:10:43.040 of of uh turning your back to private enterprise and there are several ways in which people talk

00:10:51.580 about private enterprise you don't have to be a a rothbardian anarcho-capitalist to to go back to the

00:10:58.420 to the 1922 or the early late 19th century liberalism of that time yeah i know you you literally

00:11:07.120 don't need to be some kind of insane libertarian to be like guys i think this may have gone too far

00:11:12.640 i mean for example look at this right how much will the will it spend on things like public

00:11:16.440 services state pensions and debt interest well in 2025 26 we expect to spend 1.37 trillion right

00:11:22.880 equivalent to around 48 000 pounds per household or 45 percent of the national income for every pound

00:11:31.260 that is earned in britain the state spends 45 pence of it that just is insane and 48 000 per household

00:11:40.160 is insane itself the average income in britain is 36 000 pounds we'll call it we'll round it up to 37 000

00:11:49.560 pounds so the state is going to spend on average per household more than you make and i think you

00:11:56.760 mentioned before that in 1922 about 100 years ago the the uh not debt public spending to gdp was 10

00:12:07.920 percent and that's not just 10 it's way more it's way more and and so it's it's we're just it's just

00:12:14.720 like okay this is a monster that is just squatting on our civilization because and again you just don't

00:12:22.260 understand the scale of the thing so as you can see you the government will spend more than you

00:12:28.320 will earn this year for the average person yeah by a by a long shot imagine if you're an average person

00:12:34.180 your household income is 36 700 pounds and someone there was a bank error in your favor and you found

00:12:40.180 yourself at the end of the year with an extra 10 grand would that help you would you be like oh jesus

00:12:45.160 christ with 10 grand up that's brilliant no you're the government is doing that with everyone all the

00:12:50.860 time and being like hey guys we're 10 grand up for for 60 million people like it is mental right

00:12:57.740 then you have right public sector employment right one in 11 people in britain is employed by the

00:13:04.140 government yeah one in 11 that means rather than having 300 000 civil servants well it's not just

00:13:11.940 civil servants now because we have a series of extra institutions that are government owned that

00:13:15.940 government controlled and now have uh apparently an unlimited remit to just drain the life out of

00:13:24.160 the country so i mean in the modern era now in 2024 this is of the civil service is 554 000 people

00:13:32.140 and the the percentage you mentioned which i think is about nine percent is nine uh yeah yeah yeah

00:13:39.020 nine percent of the total population not of the population of taxpayers no no just the total population

00:13:44.260 yeah so yeah if you were to and well i mean the total population of next taxpayers is way lower

00:13:50.060 than that but we'll come to that in a minute if that's all right right so as they tell us here again

00:13:53.800 the office for national statistics the radical right-wing crazy they say employment in the public

00:13:58.800 sector was estimated at 6.18 million in september 2025 an increase of 7 000 compared with three months

00:14:06.240 earlier and an increase of one percent compared with the year before so as far as they're concerned

00:14:12.220 every year the state employees grow by one percent so in 10 years time it's 10 billion like this is

00:14:19.820 insane this is like this is mental right the nhs is 2.07 million people it's more than 10 percent in

00:14:28.420 10 years because you it's one percent on an annual basis yeah yeah so relative to now it's more than

00:14:33.840 10 percent in 10 years yeah but but also like that's again and that's only people directly paid

00:14:39.840 by the government exactly right where the money for their wages goes into their account from the

00:14:44.340 government right that's not including we'll get into all this stuff right so the nhs is 2.07 million

00:14:49.740 people uh putting it just shy of the chinese army which is three million people right it's one of the

00:14:56.160 large it alone is i think the seventh largest employer on earth so there are very few organizations

00:15:02.160 that are bigger than the nhs and how's it going brilliant being run well can someone look back

00:15:06.780 and go well this is a a an institution of excellence like they did in 1922 no of course they can't right

00:15:14.060 local government is nearly 2 million people like i said the civil service half a million people

00:15:19.080 public corporations 161 000 and then her majesty's forces 148 000 and also there there aren't particularly

00:15:28.760 they don't have a saving mentality i will give an example which i've given before at the

00:15:33.980 and you know there may be people who tell me i'm gonna be i'm gonna look like an old man who

00:15:39.840 constantly repeats himself but there are kits of equipment you have 20 pieces of equipment

00:15:45.720 and they open one they take what they use one and they throw the entire kit

00:15:49.560 because they say no it has to be desterilized or we can't use it

00:15:53.720 not my problem so they are throwing they they are throwing vast resources away yep and it's just

00:16:00.480 not their problem and there's no accountability for this and in fact on the subject of accountability

00:16:04.100 so these numbers at this point should be basically blowing your mind you should be like right okay

00:16:08.100 that's wild how is it that basically one in 11 in the country is employed directly by the government

00:16:14.760 so that's you know families that are just totally because then then you've got again that's just out of

00:16:19.400 the people who work then you've got dependence on those people who are therefore dependent directly

00:16:23.960 on the government so it i mean let's assume that each person has three dependents well that's a good

00:16:29.280 third of the country that is directly dependent on the government and the government already spends 45

00:16:34.640 percent of everything the country makes so it's just like okay this this is just a parasitic entity

00:16:41.580 that wants you dependent on it and then it's like okay well i mean can we elect a government to do

00:16:47.100 something about that well not really to be honest right because of the quangocracy now the quangocracy

00:16:52.060 this is the the quango is a uh colloquialism that we use right they actually call them albs now what's

00:17:00.620 an alb well an alb is an arm's length body as in something that's arm's length from the government

00:17:06.520 theoretically and it's not entirely clear how many of them there are and you think why how is that

00:17:13.560 possible like how is it possible in this era of technology in this era of everything being

00:17:18.660 literally ones and zeros falling into spreadsheets so you should be able to just do a search how many

00:17:22.520 of this column is there extract that information i should know all of these things exactly because

00:17:27.280 like you were saying earlier like the british empire when it was being run was being run by paper

00:17:31.200 right now filing cabinets and paper now it's databases and instant information and we don't know what

00:17:38.100 we're doing right but now it's not entirely clear they think there are 305 of them right and these are

00:17:44.840 all broken down to various things uh 305 albs they spend 3.53 billion of government money the uk

00:17:53.780 government budgets 355 billion remember it used to be 68 billion at the height of the british empire

00:17:59.540 now these quang the quangocracy is spending um roughly um more than five times uh 68 yeah it's

00:18:08.280 about a quarter of the total government budget uh it goes into the quangocracy remember it's 1.37

00:18:13.500 trillion so it's about a quarter of it um and what's the accountability on this right you you don't elect

00:18:21.860 the people who are in charge of these albs you don't elect the the people in charge of any of these

00:18:26.720 things and they've got themselves maybe 400 000 staff and i'm sure it gets much worse if we start

00:18:32.680 digging on where this money is being spent yeah i mean just who can imagine right who can imagine

00:18:41.200 so it's 353 billion in spending for 400 000 staff over 300 of them they're not sure there might be

00:18:49.240 600 of them right it's not clear like again it's not clear what is counted as these things so

00:18:56.560 i am definitely undercounting the amount of money these things spend what are we supposed to do

00:19:02.840 about it what are we going to do like it just it's mental and then right another the government spends

00:19:09.500 another um i don't know if the actual chance i'm looking for there but anyway another 454 billion

00:19:16.120 pounds a year is spent servicing this monstrosity from the private sector so the government spends in

00:19:21.860 the private sector another almost half trillion pounds of your money for to private companies

00:19:28.140 and the government gets to choose which private companies it services so what that's a huge percentage

00:19:34.380 of the national economy that is just spent on the state again 45 percent in total right so it actually

00:19:41.540 makes uh the infiltration of the state much worse yes because one of the main problems with the greek

00:19:47.780 crisis in 2010 was that the state was so expanded and it intervened in the economy to such an extent

00:19:55.020 that many private enterprises had the state as their sole partner or as their main partner yes so when

00:20:01.520 the state were nearly bunk wrapped they went bankrupt that's correct i mean there's a super chat here that

00:20:08.040 says well the the the problem is this is mostly the rise of the welfare state well only kind of right

00:20:14.680 because the welfare state is 200 billion for the nhs and about 300 billion for pensions and benefits

00:20:21.300 yeah so okay that's great but that's still just over a third of what the government actually spends

00:20:27.680 because remember the government spends 1.37 trillion and you've spent about 500 billion so okay it's about

00:20:35.580 40 percent don't get me wrong that's a lot but the rest of it is even more is even what does it go

00:20:42.540 where is it going wait exactly how could you hold this system accountable how could you hold a system

00:20:48.020 of millions of people accountable and it's just impossible to think right it's impossible to know

00:20:53.500 it's impossible to think and this is just money that will never it's just literally may as well put

00:20:58.320 in a big bonfire and burn it at least it'd be you know visually impressive to watch um it's just it's

00:21:05.820 just mad right and that's again like so 15 nearly of the private sector is dedicated to servicing the

00:21:12.880 government's contracts right that's 15 of everything in the and so that's the again it's sort of you've

00:21:18.720 got 45 of the gdp there but add another 15 on top of that because that's just paying the the money

00:21:25.980 burning machine that's just servicing the money burning machine so it's not like that's productive

00:21:31.040 capacity that's productive capacity that is also taken by the government it's just i just like i

00:21:37.280 was putting this together just like god i think i'm just gonna go mad i think i'm just gonna shoot

00:21:40.920 myself like obviously i'm not gonna shoot myself but like i think i'm just gonna just just start

00:21:44.940 babbling like i'm in some sort of hp lovecraft story where i've just seen into the yawning chasm of

00:21:50.320 the abyss and it's driven me mad it's also kafka-esque yes yeah it's it's it's oh anyway so

00:21:58.440 like someone said the benefit system oh this um sorry yeah this is uh the benefit system as you

00:22:07.260 can see 287.9 billion but on the plus side look over here 55.6 percent of senior civil servants are

00:22:13.940 women win unbelievable absolutely mad 11 million people on pensions like just

00:22:21.720 750 000 uh child maintenance service arrangements says 40 nearly 43 million calls answered in 2024 2025

00:22:33.460 yeah because they're the massive service provider they have to answer these calls because they're

00:22:37.940 literally they're literally keeping the country yeah but it's up from 36.7 million isn't that a

00:22:44.580 massive win i don't know maybe isn't it isn't that worth two trillions i don't know yeah so this is

00:22:53.660 the the pension and benefit systems just under 300 billion uh which is mental um i just you numbers so

00:23:01.700 stratospheric you can't work in your head around it we forgot also what another thing to add is that

00:23:08.800 right now starmer and uh to some extent the previous ones where are very much against uh private

00:23:17.100 enterprise philosophically speaking and you you we do have the laugh of care yes we do suddenly we do

00:23:22.960 have we've got rachel reeves and starmer currently raising taxes every single day and and lots of

00:23:28.700 entrepreneurs live in the country 10 000 millionaires a year yeah so so this is only going to get like

00:23:35.200 this is going to become a proportionally larger part of a shrinking pot it's fewer people are going

00:23:41.020 to pay more taxes for handling handling more benefits and paying more things you know what that's a

00:23:46.760 that's a great thing to move on to for our last point here right who actually pays taxes

00:23:51.280 i know i do most people don't actually pay taxes yeah i know that's hard to wrap your head around

00:23:59.840 right but as the census 2021 data here tells us i can't remember we're about

00:24:05.040 on the pages oh there we go the proportion of people living in households receiving more in

00:24:09.880 benefits than they paid in taxes is 53.3 percent and that's been stable over the last three years

00:24:17.260 so that's normal it is normal that most people in this country do not pay more in tax than they

00:24:24.040 take in benefits just what are we doing i just oh my god i think i'm gonna have a hernia

00:24:31.180 like stroke i mean what can be done right what can be done about this so i can only assume

00:24:38.420 that basically we're just waiting for the collapse well i mean labor is doing all it can to to hasten

00:24:46.520 an economic collapse and it will require really heavy economic work in economics to sorry can we go

00:24:54.060 back to that uh quickly samson sorry i'm not ready to move on yet um but yeah so basically i mean what

00:24:59.400 what what are our options here like what can be done i i think that the only thing that can be done

00:25:06.400 is to end the combination of a very relaxed uh border policy and and uh reducing uh benefits

00:25:14.440 and also yeah just that's one of the thing that one of the things that must one of the steps that must be

00:25:22.160 taken but the the thing but the problem um where are we yeah right look the problem is the welfare

00:25:30.180 if we get rid of the welfare we still got a trillion pounds worth of spending to go

00:25:34.760 a bit less you if if it's for uh half a trillion then then there is

00:25:40.700 welfare right the welfare is 289 billion right we still got more than a trillion left okay we get

00:25:47.540 rid of the nhs that's still 900 trillion or so uh 900 billion left of spending i mean yeah like this

00:25:54.980 this is insane it's just and that's that's getting rid of the things that people think are mostly the

00:26:01.860 problem it's tough to say without knowing exactly where this money goes to exactly right and like

00:26:07.140 can you imagine trying to audit a system this large you've got to audit six million people and

00:26:12.740 1.3 trillion's worth of spending like i mean wouldn't that be my job you can audit it i think

00:26:20.900 it's more like that there is lack of will to do so yeah i know you you could i mean if you are paying

00:26:26.780 it as you know the state you know where you're paying it to you know who's the payee but this is

00:26:32.400 the point i want to hammer home to people everyone thinks it's the welfare state that is the problem

00:26:36.480 that is most of the spending and is by far not most of the spending that's the problem even if you cut

00:26:42.620 every piece of welfare the british government gives you're still about 800 billion in the hole

00:26:48.040 so where's that going you know what we're doing with that i will say because just to to respond to

00:26:54.780 if you don't know where it's going it could also be going to welfare that well yeah to some extent

00:27:00.760 that's that's one thing the other is i mean it could be it could be paying public debt

00:27:06.700 yeah yeah yeah well a lot of it is a lot of it is i think that's about nine percent buying bonds

00:27:12.580 about nine percent is paying down debts and things like that because of course we've got a deficit 138

00:27:17.740 billion but it's it's just one of those things where it's like man it's it's bigger than the

00:27:21.960 welfare state right it's this this general attitude of uh post world war ii statism where everyone's

00:27:28.820 like all right the government can do a bunch of things therefore it should do a bunch of things

00:27:32.560 uh basically frankly i mean the soviet union collapsed so that the pressure to do welfare

00:27:38.520 stuff should have gone away with it as well there's also the other bit to mention is that

00:27:42.540 sadly in democracies you frequently have people who want to get elected and they're essentially

00:27:48.660 purchasing votes yes so that that's also another issue it's what the pensions are not just the

00:27:56.040 pensions yeah i mean lots of it could be exchange uh for for political votes actually for votes

00:28:03.660 that's that's what a lot of these things are anyway we'll leave that there just because it's

00:28:07.420 honestly i think i'm gonna have an aneurysm um it's just just hang on um the dark truth is that

00:28:15.700 people will suffer attempts to solve this problem made elderly dependent on 24 7 care disabled children

00:28:20.740 etc normies will go get cold feet the first sob story yeah i know but the thing is the normies

00:28:25.220 right they're we are not a rich country and this is the main problem like the normies are only on

00:28:31.040 36 000 pounds a year because of the scale of the state because the state is literally taxing them on

00:28:37.920 everything like everything they spend has a 20 vat you know every time they go to the pub there's

00:28:42.920 extra vat on that like so everything is just more expensive than it ought to be like on their

00:28:47.140 electric is 25 green levy before even they get to vat right so that's everything's so much more

00:28:53.480 expensive the fuel duties and all this and then they have to pay taxes on their their their work

00:28:58.140 and then they get state benefits because the state has literally impoverished them exactly and it's

00:29:03.840 just very simple we're not talking about uh lavish lifestyle even going to the pub even going to the pub

00:29:10.400 is and getting uh fish and chips or burger or something it's 20 pounds roughly exactly it's a fortune

00:29:18.060 and you you you just don't realize because the frog has been boiling in the pot for ages and ages

00:29:23.560 and the temperature's getting everyone's like god why are my groceries costing they're grown used to

00:29:27.880 it that's the problem we as human beings we get used to something we're habituated but it makes the

00:29:33.160 demand for welfare from the state all the more pressing it's like well i i can't afford to live

00:29:37.740 and therefore you've got various kinds of low-income top-ups which is why 53 percent of the people

00:29:43.500 are actually net beneficiaries from the state rather than tax contributors so you've got to give

00:29:49.000 these people money from the government otherwise they starve and and one of the biggest myths here is

00:29:54.340 that this is the ideology of the middle class it it is actually harming the middle class yeah and it's

00:30:00.300 benefiting really large corporations yes that are able to lobby and essentially and they're the 15

00:30:09.000 that get money from the government to fulfill contracts and so this is a deeply unhealthy system

00:30:15.140 that is literally going to divide the country into something the socialists have been complaining about

00:30:21.000 for a very long time and it's actually happening now because of the size of the state um anyway

00:30:26.680 uh we're always bombing the middle east at the behest of holden blood feast and there's middle eastern

00:30:30.600 campaign donors so nothing has happened well you'll find out about all of that in uh

00:30:34.440 in um uh for us's uh real politic and thank you ramshackle i was just digging it peter uh it i don't know

00:30:42.820 what's come up but for whatever reason he couldn't make it on time so it's fine it's just just teasing

00:30:46.760 him anyway let's let's move on i was i yeah um so the uk is embarrassingly shit right it's just just

00:30:59.520 crap now when i say the uk y double o k a y i'm not talking about britain or england or scotland or

00:31:07.660 wales what i'm talking about is the gargantuan multi-culti state and the country that it is

00:31:14.140 formatting us into right so it is taking areas of the country and transforming these areas and you got

00:31:20.060 this going around on tiktok the other day it's probably gonna get copyright claimed so if you're

00:31:25.160 watching this on youtube uh we trimmed it out if you can't see it but i want you to see this because

00:31:30.740 this is what they're proud of this is what they are proud that they've done to our country

00:31:35.140 england to me is turkish barbers with the sharpest trim it's the shopkeeper letting you off 20p when

00:31:41.520 your skin it's english neighbors saying happy eat mate and muslim mom's going merry christmas love

00:31:47.080 it's the violet lights down the eye street and everyone around the same table sharing food

00:31:54.240 it's scousers singing mo salah salah and gooners reminiscing about in your right right right

00:32:00.800 in your right right right it's bob marley and reggae oasis on the karaoke three lions on the terraces

00:32:08.560 and you think you've seen flags now wait until the world cup's on then you know about flags my son

00:32:15.340 so the point is he's looking around at the uh state of the country in the cities he's saying oh

00:32:23.480 yeah this is authentic england it's like no this is what it looks like after colonization there is the

00:32:29.720 other bit here i think you're you're correct and one thing to remember about people with uh like

00:32:36.100 is he a comedian i see he's something like in a talent show yeah well he wants to dress as big an

00:32:42.560 audience as possible so that's the audience he's addressing he he is playing into the illusion that

00:32:49.840 there are zero incompatibilities between his target groups yeah but moreover he i think he's the sort of

00:32:57.140 person who only remembers the country like this i don't think he's old enough i don't know how old

00:33:01.740 he is but i don't think he's going to be old enough to actually remember what the country was like

00:33:05.440 before we were diversified um where the high streets were normal they weren't full of turkish

00:33:11.140 barbers they're actually in very recent memory there was a time where the high streets just

00:33:14.480 weren't full of turkish barbers where you didn't have eid lights over london and all this sort of

00:33:19.680 nonsense right but this is this is the best he can say about multiculturalism is we celebrate a bunch

00:33:25.780 of foreign cultures and foreign people like what's he celebrating that's actually authentically

00:33:29.500 english there anything he mentioned was oasis and oasis i'm not like liam no gallagher is a right

00:33:36.320 wing radical compared to what this guy's suggesting like no gallagher's like no this is terrible why have

00:33:41.700 you done this to my country because he's old enough to remember it what it was like before so it's so

00:33:47.360 weird that this is and this is the best they've got to promote the fruits of their project so oh yeah

00:33:53.020 look this is real england it's like oh my god if that's true aren't you embarrassed because the

00:33:58.960 place is falling apart and everyone hates it and people are leaving for places that are currently

00:34:03.180 getting shelled by the iranians like you know why why is that and all the people around this you it

00:34:09.780 suddenly narrows what he's talking to because he's on that x factor or something right and so you've got

00:34:15.080 the bunch of the multi-culti mainstream and they're all like yay cheering and outside of that you've got

00:34:21.520 millions of people who hate this you know this is what the rise of reform is about everyone who supports

00:34:28.440 reform seems to think there's some sort of right-wing nativist project it's not but that's why they

00:34:33.560 started going up in the polls because everyone's like no no things have to change we thought the

00:34:37.400 conservatives would sort this out they didn't they'll find out that reform won't sort this out

00:34:42.120 and then they'll have to keep going to the right so there are millions of people left outside of this

00:34:46.400 consensus and this is what jim ratcliffe got in trouble for he was like well look the uk has been

00:34:53.380 colonized by immigrants and this is all he's talking about he's just talking about the immigrants

00:34:59.580 who have colonized us it's the turkish barbers it's the dilwali it's the ramadan right so the

00:35:06.040 there's no denying the truth of this and this is a great like thing to put side by side because he got

00:35:13.500 of course in a huge amount of trouble for this because i mean we'll watch it just just to refresh

00:35:18.260 anyone's memory huge levels of immigrants coming in i mean the uk is being colonized it's costing too

00:35:26.220 much money it will cause it'll cause well yeah yeah the uk is being colonized by immigrants really

00:35:33.420 isn't it i love the fact that he was just like yeah i'm gonna get in trouble for this but that's what i

00:35:38.380 see and that's what they brag about they're bragging about this i mean we have talked about uh this uh

00:35:46.360 many times but i think one of the conversations we have had and we did have a symposium episode

00:35:52.160 before it's about ecophobia is that you see a surprisingly large part of the country and i think

00:36:01.760 that may characterize english culture at the moment who are is essentially brainwashed that being english

00:36:09.820 is a bad thing yes that it is an identity that they have to atone themselves for and that is praising

00:36:17.840 foreigners yeah and there is a weird issue here because i think that it's what essentially they're

00:36:27.060 saying is that the english identity is a bad thing in their mind the or at least the the original one

00:36:34.020 and the only salvageable one is the identity is is mentioning here yes which is essentially a

00:36:40.540 multicultural thing which means a non-identity or at least an identity that is prerequisite

00:36:46.860 on a bunch of foreigners like it requires mo salah it requires turkish barbers it requires ramadan and

00:36:54.480 eid and you know why would that be essential that's that's the issue why would that be essential to the

00:37:00.480 identity precisely i think that one of the reasons why lots of people are doing this as he presumably

00:37:08.240 wants to to not get cancelled or to to i think he's attracted as big an audience as he can but if he's a

00:37:15.800 true believer if he's a true believer as you say he may be um he ha he demonstrates this uh sentiment of

00:37:23.120 ecophobia he thinks that the cool thing is to go out and be self-deprecating and culturally

00:37:30.040 self-deprecating and we get to cultural self-deprecation so the the thing is like this

00:37:36.400 this caused a huge amount of controversy and ratcliffe had to apologize but he said i'm sorry

00:37:42.260 that my choice of language has offended some people he didn't say that he was wrong and he doubled down

00:37:46.520 on his comments like no this has been a real issue right uh and then you got people responding like

00:37:50.780 this uh well so jim's team without immigrants like yeah that that just makes his point you know

00:37:56.700 exactly who the immigrants are you know exactly who the immigrants aren't and when you make it look

00:38:01.280 like that you realize god that is pretty bad that's that's definitely pretty mad and then gary nillica

00:38:07.020 was like well you're an immigrant because you've moved to monaco to escape taxes which as we saw in

00:38:11.980 the last segment is a completely rational thing to do but that proves his point you know what an

00:38:17.780 immigrant is you're calling him an immigrant which is true and so we all know that this is true

00:38:22.200 and then you get like the call to prayer at old trafford being sounded it's like well yeah so

00:38:29.040 there's the call to prayer but then when people say merry christmas they're supposed to not say it

00:38:34.660 and they're getting scorned because they are told that they're supposed to say happy holidays but even

00:38:39.440 if they're not why do we have the call to prayer at old trafford like this again this has been

00:38:45.500 colonized yeah it looks like it like what else could you call this you couldn't say that this is

00:38:49.520 something organic and native to britain this has to have been imported from somewhere else

00:38:54.020 and this has to be about elevating foreign cultures above our own just like that comedian was doing

00:39:00.260 right so there's no doubt that this has happened and then when confronted by it like manchester united

00:39:06.780 fans put this banner mufc proudly colonized by immigrants was that in response to the in response

00:39:16.500 to his comments like literally in response to jim ratcliffe and they've got um eric cantana patrice

00:39:23.800 evra park il sung bruno fernandez gunas i can't pronounce any of these names right

00:39:30.620 and they're just like yeah no we're proud that we have been replaced in our own football team

00:39:36.320 i think this shows a lot it shows several things um and there are several reasons why

00:39:42.560 these people may be doing it i think to an extent it could be a you know an f you to sir jim ratcliffe

00:39:51.500 it's like he said it so let's let us say that we we occupy the other the let us counter signal him

00:39:57.300 the other bit would be that they literally feel that their identity that english identity is something

00:40:05.940 to atone for yeah i mean and the re that they're the only way to atone for for past whatever for the

00:40:14.200 history of english identity is to allow this multicultural bomb that is being i mean it's

00:40:23.940 created it's hard to say isn't it because this is the most disgraceful and servile subservient

00:40:31.000 attitude that i've ever seen i mean who has ever said i'm proudly colonized

00:40:36.180 who's ever said that i mean you you have fifth column fifth columnists i think this goes a bit

00:40:42.200 beyond fifth column right because fifth columnist implies like a foreigner yeah yeah he's managed to

00:40:46.980 get inside the culture this is way worse than just being a bunch of fifth columnists this is them

00:40:53.240 literally being like the power bottoms like being active cuckolds saying no no we're gonna literally

00:40:59.880 bring in foreigners and give our children's inheritance away to them i mean what must their

00:41:04.620 own children think like oh could i grow up and be a footballer no we've got foreign footballers

00:41:09.000 no you can't grow up and be for man ufc we're proudly colonized by immigrants are you an immigrant

00:41:14.640 son no you're not an immigrant so you're not going to be playing for man united right this is horrible

00:41:19.620 this is such a disgraceful thing to do and just imagine what it's saying like i said their own

00:41:25.580 children the children of manchester the the british children of manchester who are i think um 47 or

00:41:32.480 something like that of the children now but imagine what what message do they take from it

00:41:36.480 our forefathers have given away our country there's also the the critical migration theory which manifests

00:41:43.500 in as one of the subdivisions of wokeness where you in wokeness there are oppressor and oppressed

00:41:49.900 groups and there's a hierarchy of oppression well they're saying that in every country natives are the

00:41:55.040 oppression the oppressors particularly straight white uh natives and whoever is a migrant to that

00:42:02.140 country so long as they're not straight and white they're also part of the oppressed and but also the

00:42:08.180 the willingly the willingness to be literally a second class citizen here is really weird as well as

00:42:13.900 the sort of class dimension that it brings with it as well what's the net worth of that image of those

00:42:19.740 foreign players like ronaldo and all that that's got to be like a billion pounds worth of it's a lot

00:42:25.940 right it's a huge amount what's the average earning of those idiots holding up that flag like these guys

00:42:34.860 are probably the ones on 36 grand a year they're getting state benefits and going to watch the

00:42:39.540 football it's like do you understand how unbelievably raped your brains have been by woke ideology to get to

00:42:47.460 this point wasn't it uh gary lineker who said that uh all problem or all trouble is caused by

00:42:54.580 white men white english men and that when he sees the british flag i can't remember okay but um i think

00:43:02.900 it's very specific in in in football oh it might be i don't know you know i'm not a football guy i'm just

00:43:10.460 just looking at this thinking right okay so you've got what i assume are just average earning guys

00:43:14.940 who are just proud of being colonized by unbelievably rich foreign footballers to the point where

00:43:22.740 they've they've destroyed their own children's prospects and they themselves are just venerating

00:43:28.240 insanely wealthy people who must i mean what what must the guys think of it i mean i don't get me wrong i

00:43:34.340 i would like uh you know really good football players playing for my team and i wouldn't mind if

00:43:42.140 it was someone like ronaldo yeah i'd consider that a privilege but i don't think that that's the i don't

00:43:48.800 think that that's what they're doing here they are trying to make a political message it's not just that

00:43:53.860 that ronaldo is playing for the team of course but at this point how is it your team

00:43:58.620 yeah how is that a team that you can say oh this this is somehow representative of manchester

00:44:04.480 i think in football culture there is a long tradition of uh adherence to to the fc i i understand

00:44:12.520 but it's it's it's just one of those things where like if you if you're an outsider to it like i am

00:44:18.540 and you just look at it and think okay but do you guys do you guys not understand what's actually

00:44:23.740 being made present here right what you are saying is we are essentially uh non-entities we don't

00:44:30.860 really exist what exists are these gods that we have set up above ourselves who are who have

00:44:36.260 unbelievable amounts of money unbelievable amounts of fame unbelievable amounts of influence and we are

00:44:41.760 happy for our team our group to actually become subsumed into this right and there's another issue here

00:44:49.020 is that uh they are i think they are taking a political stance expressly they're making a an

00:44:56.540 explicit political statement and they're using some examples that aren't representative of all kinds of

00:45:03.880 migration thus they're obfuscating the problematic one so the average let's let's say that there are some

00:45:11.220 some people who respect the country there are some people who don't respect the country i don't think

00:45:16.340 ronaldo is and these players are good examples of the latter group the group that doesn't respect the

00:45:23.340 country well they're not exactly representative of anyone because there are so few of them anyway

00:45:27.320 like how many immigrants like to call these guys immigrants is so wild as if these in any way

00:45:33.620 align with what has happened in the rest of the country no these are megastar football players

00:45:39.620 who are themselves like traded like chattel for millions of pounds each that's got nothing to do

00:45:46.580 with immigrants and when we say immigrants nobody's talking about them what they're talking about is

00:45:51.880 the people our government has brought here and just dispersed around the country to live cheek by

00:45:56.280 jowl with people who you don't know i mean this is an immigrant like you're proud to be colonized by

00:46:01.480 this the comment that they're responding to is a comment about the country exactly jim ratcliffe is

00:46:07.540 talking about the country at large not his football team and complaining well i mean look at your

00:46:11.960 football team it's got immigrants in it it's like okay but that's just not representative it's not

00:46:16.140 specific to the argument that we're talking about and you must know but instead you deserve sorry you

00:46:22.760 deliberately went out to essentially disgrace yourself in front of the world because they knew this

00:46:28.740 would be viewed by millions of people you know the cameras panning out would see that in the crowd

00:46:32.780 and so millions of people would see these power bottoms being like yeah we're proud to be colonized

00:46:39.200 we're weird cuckolds for some reason it's like but why why do you want that like and the only thing i

00:46:45.480 can assume is that it goes back to this guy where they think that the only thing they can be proud of

00:46:50.760 in their country is the fact that the uk has colonized it with foreigners it's the only thing they can be proud

00:46:58.140 of um just to wind up this bit though um this isn't exactly a universal opinion it's just the

00:47:06.380 authentic uh verified legitimate opinion of the managerial class of this country now i mean you had

00:47:14.540 also a week ago um this so there was a a match between was it leeds united and manchester city

00:47:22.960 where apparently a bunch of muslim players were breaking their ramadan fast and play has been

00:47:29.400 paused briefly to allow players to break their fast and everyone started booing very loud boos

00:47:36.460 in the stadium because it turns out not everyone's completely on board with uh diversity and

00:47:44.200 multiculturalism and so you have this fracture now where do you think the upper echelons of these

00:47:50.600 teams fell on the should they do it or shouldn't they do it on the boo yeah i mean the upper echelons

00:47:58.020 would probably say that they shouldn't do it that's right the leeds assistant manager said i'm

00:48:02.940 disappointed with some supporters that that happened uh manchester city manager said um well they didn't

00:48:09.860 eat today it's a modern world right you see what's happening the world today respect religion diversity

00:48:14.780 that's the point sorry did i agree to that did i i'm here to watch football but that's that's a that's

00:48:22.780 a political and philosophical assertion you've just made that is entirely contestable and i'm sorry i

00:48:28.260 didn't agree to this and so no i side with the people booing them if you're having a problem because

00:48:34.180 of your religion that's not my problem i'm here to what i'm not personally but i'd be there to watch

00:48:38.660 the football and if you can't play you can't play you know your religious dictates might

00:48:44.140 prevent that but that's not my problem yeah but again these examples aren't representative

00:48:51.620 of the kinds of issues that exist and people are talking about and we are talking about

00:48:57.540 exactly but but it does but you can see here that the you you can say look this is like the hunger

00:49:05.800 games right where they have their sort of you know the the elite um attitude and opinions and

00:49:11.360 they're going to act in a certain way but if you rely on a mass crowd to be the the willing

00:49:15.740 participants and audience for what you're doing well don't be surprised when they have a different

00:49:20.080 opinion right they don't want to be colonized actually they're not proud of being colonized

00:49:25.440 and they don't want you know the uh call to prayer so old trafford they don't want to have

00:49:31.960 muslim religious ritual override the traditional way that sport is done in this country they don't want

00:49:39.560 these things and so you can see there's a giant cleavage here between the the management of these

00:49:44.060 these teams and the people they're actually relying to come yeah i mean it's exactly that because i don't

00:49:50.380 understand why these players for instance couldn't say that for religious reasons they can't be

00:49:54.900 in that they can't play in that match that day yeah it's not unheard of

00:50:00.680 and if we that's exactly what you're saying it's the it's that there are all sorts of cultural

00:50:08.120 concessions and retreats that are being made in the name of a philosophy that has nothing to do with

00:50:13.920 with football or anything that these people think exactly and if if the cultural sensitivity was towards

00:50:19.760 the native people of the country then this wouldn't happen but because jim ratcliffe is correct and we

00:50:25.740 have been colonized well the cultural sensitivity has to be towards the new people i said okay well

00:50:30.900 i'm sorry i'm just not for it and i can totally see why people are booing and this just just disgusting

00:50:39.780 i know that the people who are holding this up think they're being good people but what they're doing

00:50:44.980 is just being complicit in their own destruction it's embarrassing to watch

00:50:49.140 sigil stone says carla successfully convinced me that watching soccer turns you gay well you call

00:50:56.480 it soccer because you're an american uh it's football and i mean i don't think it turns you gay

00:51:01.900 it's just it apparently does something weird to manchester united fans where they just say

00:51:08.520 harder please daddy and it's just gross uh don't know why they're like that uh football players

00:51:14.140 very high-skilled migrant workers that eventually go back home after their contract is up yeah

00:51:17.720 the football lads do not understand their local team has been skin suited by a globalist entity

00:51:23.340 ambivalent to their destruction they're still fanatically loyal as if it were uh it's evil

00:51:27.920 yeah it is it's completely evil and i just can't understand it like i mean the thing is if they are

00:51:33.440 gonna you know if they're gonna cheer for it but but the problem is the the ideological message

00:51:38.280 implies some kind of comprehension as to what's happening and an act of complicity with it it's like

00:51:45.020 yeah no we are being colonized and we like it it's like but the ideological message is uh purposefully

00:51:52.200 abstract yes in order to not point uh people's attention to the to specific case cases that fly

00:52:01.120 under the radar of ideology but the the guy with the poem being like yeah no it's the the the barbers

00:52:07.320 and yeah but he put he points to specific cases that's the thing if he if you're if you think that

00:52:13.600 the average migrant is ronaldo

00:52:16.260 you'd have to be a moron yeah you'd have to be an absolute moron wouldn't you

00:52:24.000 um the hapsification says pakistani grooming gangs primarily targeted white girls in their local areas

00:52:31.540 well who are the white girls in the surrounding areas the english pakistani grooming gangs know who the

00:52:35.980 english are yeah that's true um fic says uh those who use this team without immigrants argument don't

00:52:42.240 seem to realize that those players in the top tax bracket have visas and are here due to merit not

00:52:46.720 because their identity yeah i know and um the the thing is as well i i really hate about this is like

00:52:51.980 as if there just wouldn't be a team without these players it's like well you don't know who you would

00:52:58.120 get right you don't know what talent is out there because you're just buying talent from elsewhere

00:53:03.280 like you're literally like preventing our talent from climbing the ladder by just headhunting from

00:53:09.300 other places so you don't know what you could produce but i guess that's just not something

00:53:14.980 they care about actually i'm so tired of it man so tired anyway i think england has good football in

00:53:24.600 that uh has a tradition of good football i think that's not the kind of uh industry where you need

00:53:31.460 to be worried about well this is other industry yeah but england has really good football well this

00:53:36.440 is this is the thing that got um uh andrew lawrence in trouble a couple of years ago where the england

00:53:42.600 team lost and it was because of the diversity that it lost and uh he got himself in trouble for saying

00:53:48.120 well if diversity is our strength then it doesn't win you know you figure it out for yourself anyway

00:53:54.640 so in light of everything that's happening it is not surprising that actually something has come about

00:54:01.660 and this is going to be a difficult thing for us to talk about because well it's been explosive and it

00:54:07.440 is also essentially kind of marginalized some people and they're not happy with it so i guess we'll have

00:54:12.780 talk about that is of course restore britain that has been constituted as a political party and has

00:54:19.440 reached 100 000 members in two weeks that's really impressive well it's unprecedented it's never

00:54:25.160 happened before it took uh reform four months to get 100 000 members uh and it just just hasn't

00:54:32.140 happened before and then it started polling uh so you got seven percent on one poll that actually

00:54:37.480 included it so the when they do polling they say what party are you voting for and they list

00:54:40.740 a series of the major parties and then they put other uh and as you can see others usually around

00:54:46.340 like one or two percent because most people don't tend to actually want to vote for other parties but

00:54:50.820 as you can see uh this in the first week was restore britain on seven percent which is pretty amazing

00:54:55.680 and then they decided you know if we keep putting restore britain on there that might keep going up

00:54:59.780 so we're just going to keep putting other you're going to say oh other seven percent that's a bit high

00:55:04.460 for other other seven percent yeah it's because that's restore britain voters and what they're doing

00:55:10.200 is keeping it on the down low basically so restore britain is definitely impacting the polling

00:55:15.980 uh and i mean you've got this one here with uh other six percent again that's that's really high

00:55:21.340 for other uh and then you have this one here which is other seven percent again really high for other

00:55:27.000 i mean this is a particularly interesting one this is the lord ashcroft polls which is not normally

00:55:30.740 the most reliable of polls but only has reform on 22 percent conservatives on 20 percent and the greens

00:55:36.240 on 19 percent and labor on 17 percent so basically the field has leveled out according to lord ashcroft

00:55:43.360 that's for ashcroft yeah um and but the but this is a fairly fairly common um way of presenting polls

00:55:52.800 not just way of presenting polls a common result from polling is that actually the field is dropping down to

00:55:59.140 roughly 20 percent somewhere around 20 percent for about four or five of the parties

00:56:05.100 which is quite mad but what it shows is that there's something changing right changes in the air

00:56:11.880 everything is to play for and yeah and if you see at the plus and minuses there are some of them are

00:56:19.240 really consequential like labor minus 18 yeah the labor and the conservative the conservative vote has

00:56:25.820 already collapsed which is why reform are on here 22 but labor's vote is also collapsing and a lot of

00:56:31.020 it is going to the greens and the rest is the coalition is bleeding elsewhere and so this has got

00:56:37.900 everyone worried because actually when a brand new party starts regularly polling at like seven percent

00:56:43.340 and they've got to just be like right okay well don't prompt that party because that might go up

00:56:47.280 which it will by the way go and spread the word um that's a bit of a worry and that starts um putting

00:56:53.380 the the wind up people frankly and one of those people was a guy called khaled hassan here who

00:56:58.580 wrote an article for the telegraph called britain's broken institutions created the monster of rupert low

00:57:06.840 the monster i mean i've met him it doesn't seem particularly monstrous no he seemed like a really

00:57:13.840 decent chap didn't he yeah uh so he's a monster and so what i thought we'd take a quick look at his

00:57:18.960 article he says and this is just remarkable right the monster of rupert low it has been more than a

00:57:25.660 decade since i arrived in britain and made it my home oh that's nice khaled that's nice i'm so glad

00:57:31.360 you just 10 years ago decided yeah i'm just going to move to britain uh and live there i mean i didn't

00:57:36.400 invite you the british people never voted for immigrants but you just thought you'd come here

00:57:41.640 somehow get employed by the telegraph and then write articles denouncing nativism like sorry

00:57:50.060 you are part of the colonial project this is just remarkable in all those years i've never witnessed

00:57:57.140 a more perilous moment in british politics than the one we face today a moment defined by the rise of

00:58:02.240 rupert lowe's restore britain party and the normalization of an ethno-nationalist creed

00:58:06.460 that seeks to redraw the boundaries of who belongs to the nation

00:58:09.520 who the hell are you like who invited you as a british egyptian national security researcher

00:58:18.600 i have spent years working to deport terrorists and expose extremists i have watched with growing

00:58:23.460 alarm as friends colleagues and fellow citizens are told with increasing frequency that by some

00:58:27.980 people who support rupert's lowe's party they do not truly belong here sorry do we are egyptian

00:58:33.660 migrants the people who truly belong here are they so i think i think what this boils down to is the

00:58:41.160 distinction between the ethnic identity and the civic identity yeah and he is i haven't read the

00:58:47.820 article i don't want to i don't want to speak that's the one thing i want to say is that what i routinely

00:58:55.620 see is lots of people who criticize rupert lowe first of all we haven't seen i think we need to see

00:59:01.540 more more from restore britain when it comes to the policies and several stances i i do think we need

00:59:07.480 to see more that's my opinion right and i don't think i'm the only one who has said this but

00:59:12.820 whatever right um i think one of the one of the things that happen is that people routinely try to

00:59:20.540 to act as if they are unaware of that distinction and they are they are very much aware of that

00:59:29.080 distinction so for instance the uh author of this article says as a british egyptian national security

00:59:35.440 researcher when he writes this he seems like he's incredibly conscious of the distinction between

00:59:42.900 a civic identity and an ethnic identity so he says that ethnically he's egyptian and he's civically he

00:59:52.740 identifies as british so at the end of the day when people are talking about this it's not an issue

00:59:59.900 of whether someone is in favor of ethnic identity or civic or not the question is which kind of identity

01:00:06.460 do you put first with respect to who belongs to the nation and in particular ways of belonging to the

01:00:14.400 nation i think his jewish identity comes first when expecting that were you no i didn't no because

01:00:21.100 his name's caled hassan you're like he's not jewish no he is jewish right he he comes from egypt and he

01:00:26.720 is also some sort of middle class malcontent who decided there's too much anti-semitism in egypt

01:00:31.700 he's going to move to israel and convert to judaism but then he complained because there's too much

01:00:38.380 racism in israel because the israelis were being racist to him for being arab or muslim whatever you

01:00:43.480 know ethnic religious ethnic background you want to give uh so that's why he's come to britain i had to

01:00:49.080 look him up because he was demanding to debate me on twitter i'm like who the hell are you so i looked

01:00:52.260 him up and he's just some sort of weird malcontent who doesn't fit in his own society he's converted

01:00:56.420 to judaism and then he's like well the mother of my children is english okay you've married an

01:01:00.200 english woman great my children are british jewish children okay what for ethno-nationalists

01:01:06.320 attracted by restore britain this counts for nothing to them i remain a foreigner to be deported

01:01:10.740 my family's existence is an inconvenient contradiction so look man it's not like i'm not saying you have to be

01:01:16.000 deported you marry an english woman fine obviously you get to stay right but the the problem that i

01:01:20.320 have is that what's the focus here right the focus your entire focus is how can britain be made

01:01:28.280 comfortable for immigrants that's his focus as if literally all our politics is just designed for

01:01:35.200 the comfort of immigrants and it's like no i'm sorry khaled right you don't get to describe the only

01:01:40.540 nativist party in the country as monstrous right because actually rupert lowe and i covered this

01:01:48.460 in previous segments everything he's saying has majority support from the british people right

01:01:52.720 if that doesn't make sense to you as a jewish egyptian immigrant then that's not my problem

01:01:59.420 and i'm not really very sympathetic to it i'm just tired of arguing the case where i just don't see

01:02:06.540 why i have to justify what the way we think britain should be run to someone who doesn't fit in

01:02:12.480 anywhere and has fled his own society left his own ancestral religion and doesn't know why he's here

01:02:18.800 one of the reasons why i say i'm not going to talk about the the author here but one of the reasons i i say

01:02:24.900 that i think it's good for rupert lowe and and restore britain to come out with policies is to

01:02:31.180 to somehow have a very clear answer to all this i agree because the more personal that's a personal

01:02:40.520 view too and i think that the more time is lost we'll get to this in a minute in fact because i've

01:02:46.940 we've got all this right because this this guy begins at you're not allowed to have a kind of

01:02:53.220 ethnic sense of your own selves and he just like he's he spends his time arguing with people like

01:02:59.560 he's arguing with mothin alley i'm proudly anti-war blah blah and he's like you're a fifth

01:03:03.600 columnist it's just

01:03:05.200 you could just two muslims or an ex-muslim about who's really belongs in britain it's like okay

01:03:16.140 like i'm not even saying he's a bad guy right i'm not even saying he's a bad guy but what i'm saying is

01:03:19.980 i don't want the politics of britain to be precisely geared towards is this good for

01:03:26.200 immigrants or not that's why restore britain are two weeks old and seven percent in the polls

01:03:31.120 right it's already double what ukip used to get because it's clear that it's a problem whose time

01:03:37.240 has come and this really was all sparked by charlie downs having a set to is charlie downs here the

01:03:44.420 the best african as they said well yeah we'll watch some of this it gets like a bit towards the end

01:03:51.060 because charlie is just pointing out the english are an ethnic group in england and uh they live

01:03:55.580 here i'm british i'm born in newcastle i'm a geordie am i british well look you're born in britain

01:04:02.860 you know and all the rest of it so in that sense yes you are british but there is a bit of me isn't

01:04:07.360 then well there is a spec there is obviously a spectrum because there is a difference between

01:04:10.560 somebody who has come here in the last five years and got themselves a passport and somebody like

01:04:15.100 me whose family has been in this country literally for thousands of years okay there is a difference

01:04:19.700 and this is an important have you heard of cheddar man yes cheddar man turns out that he may well

01:04:24.840 have been black and was here i think that's hang on no no no no no no no so it hasn't been fully

01:04:29.420 and apparently he was the first person in this country and he was potentially black in fact

01:04:35.220 if it is true yeah that mankind came from africa then you come from africa well i mean i'm a christian

01:04:42.220 so i believe that i think we all share a common ancestor well you might believe that but science

01:04:46.340 says otherwise that we mankind came from africa if you're going how far back are you going i'm

01:04:51.780 going back to the beginning charlie's restores chief uh chief communications african i guess he is

01:04:59.740 like what are we saying here like you know like her name by the way is nana aqua

01:05:05.480 yeah she's got two guardian parents she was born in uh newcastle sure but she's gunning she has no

01:05:12.160 british ancestry and she's just claimed to somehow be related to cheddar man which she's not she's not

01:05:18.520 descended from there is a descendant of cheddar man living in cheddar gorge or next to cheddar gorge

01:05:23.040 in a village next to it 9 000 years later he actually does have descendants but she's not one of

01:05:27.920 them but she's just like well i'm black theoretically cheddar man was black which probably not true

01:05:33.080 but what connection is there what what what does it matter if you know thousands and thousands and

01:05:39.220 thousands of years ago it's people fled from africa that's just oh well i mean that's not even thousands

01:05:45.120 of years ago you're talking something like 500 000 years ago yeah how many you know like

01:05:50.140 like before why does it matter it's just well exactly and but no it's the preposterousness of

01:05:55.560 the argument it's like well if we go back then we're all from africa really it's like

01:05:58.960 then what was wrong with imperialism why'd the british get kicked out of africa in the first place

01:06:06.340 you know you can't have iddy armin being like right decolonize now they should be like no no

01:06:10.640 iddy we're all from africa what are you talking about we're africans too we're just as african as

01:06:15.120 you are like it's preposterous right no one believes that and yet she's defaulted to this crazy position

01:06:21.020 for some reason as if oh no now we have to be like right okay so a ghanian woman

01:06:26.740 and at one point in this i don't know whereabouts because it's three and a half minute long clip

01:06:30.460 she says she says to charlie in a challenging way am i english and charlie says well it might just be

01:06:36.280 after this bit actually um because you you can see you know where he's just got to be like did

01:06:41.540 she ask am i english or am i british no no she says am i english she says unironically to yeah am i

01:06:47.440 english it's like you know you're not english like she does you know charity work for ghana if you're

01:06:53.680 so english why do you do that right and everyone knows she's not english she is an african woman and

01:06:58.980 that's fine it's not a moral judgment i'm not saying she needs to be kicked out of the country

01:07:02.500 or anything like that that's just true right that's just a true statement i think that's the

01:07:08.940 i think that uh she understands really well the distinction between ethnicity and civic identity

01:07:15.340 and i think that it's the the ultimate question is do i belong here yes do you think i'm part of the

01:07:22.680 i can belong here or not that's why i think it will help if it's a there is a very clear

01:07:28.040 policy from the get-go in response to this i wrote this little uh wall of text on twitter

01:07:32.920 saying look the question am i english when asked by someone who knows they aren't ethnically english

01:07:37.020 isn't really about ethnicity right it's not am i english but am i welcome right and no one's ever

01:07:43.560 said to nana akua that she's not welcome right and that you know i'm she obviously is on gb news she

01:07:50.920 can't be some sort of far leftist right so what's the problem here you know the problem is that

01:07:56.320 essentially what she's saying is you are forced to accept me as one of you meaning that the

01:08:03.160 distinctions between english and non-english don't really exist you can't say i'm not english therefore

01:08:08.960 because that's and what's your opinion to that a political correctness right oh no it's politically

01:08:13.860 correct to say she's english and it's like but i don't want to appeal to political correctness

01:08:18.340 you're correct there yeah it's like am i welcome that's the the meaning yes and i'm not i'm not

01:08:24.400 saying she's not welcome at all but what she's making me do is tell a lie what she made charlie

01:08:31.100 downs do is tell a lie well she tried to make him do that and it's like no i'm sorry that's that's

01:08:36.080 not acceptable it's not acceptable to try and force us to lie she's not english she's ghanian

01:08:42.100 there's ghanian how you pronounce it there's nothing wrong with that that's not a judgment and that

01:08:46.800 doesn't mean she doesn't belong but she isn't english and that's really the the root of the

01:08:51.780 issue but this this got a bunch of people's backs up i mean ben habib here like posting some stuff

01:08:57.820 so again this is following on from this conversation ben habib here put what up at utter garbage

01:09:03.580 nana akua is english and british but you know that's not true she has absolutely no english ancestry

01:09:12.940 she's culturally she was raised in north of england sure and no one's saying the other

01:09:18.220 opposite and no one's saying that she has to be kicked out i mean they're probably our fringe idiots

01:09:21.940 but who cares about them right but that's not what's being said what's being said is are we going

01:09:26.880 to lie or not and that's not true i mean as you said if she has no english ancestry then she's not

01:09:34.720 ethnically english whether she she is british or not i think it's up for sure she's obviously british or

01:09:41.920 other people to say not not me she was raised in in um newcastle the the way i think about it and

01:09:48.560 correct me if i'm wrong is that english is an ethnic identities like scott irish welsh like ghanian yeah

01:09:55.660 and and british is a civic identity it's it it has to do with the feeling of being a member of a wider

01:10:03.860 union that is primarily based on the ethnicities of of these isles yes but in some sense it's it's

01:10:13.800 definitely more inclusive than the ethnic identity yeah i mean it fundamentally it's kind of got to be

01:10:20.180 a civic identity in at least the the main sense there there is an argument say well british could

01:10:26.480 or should mean uh english scottish welsh or irish in some form right because they're the british isles

01:10:32.380 so geographically that'd be the argument um and it's not that there's no argument there but that's

01:10:37.940 not really the way that people use it you know especially post british empire yeah because i've

01:10:42.320 seen some people say british is also an ethnic term that just talks about the these four ethnicities

01:10:49.000 but i mean which i mean you can make the argument for it but that's the like that would be normative

01:10:54.520 as in you're saying it should be this way but is that how people use it and it descriptively that's

01:10:59.860 not really how people use it really people use it in the kind of sense where it's civically did this

01:11:05.540 person grow up in britain or a british colony right because i mean everyone points out well what you're

01:11:11.740 saying then is um richard dawkins isn't british because he grew up in british africa it's like no he

01:11:17.760 is british because he grew up in a british colony in africa therefore you're like am i german because

01:11:23.640 part of my youth i grew up in germany no because i grew up in a british colony in germany so it's it's

01:11:29.960 not just about i mean i'm british for other reasons but like it it's it's not just about

01:11:36.020 that because it's about the essentially the domain of control i guess you know the cult the the the

01:11:41.940 primary culture of the area and what you are used to and so this ben habib is right to say she's

01:11:47.380 british sure she grew up in the north of england she obviously didn't grow up in ghania

01:11:52.580 ghana or whatever you pronounce it as um but she's not english and this is about the lie right

01:11:58.000 and so him i mean look at what we have to agree to with what he said here she's english and british

01:12:04.120 okay well why is she black then that's the question why is she very very dark-skinned because english

01:12:10.140 people actually are light-skinned so why is she dark-skinned you have to have an explanation for

01:12:14.820 that and the answer is oh she's got ghanaian heritage well how can an english person have foreign

01:12:19.040 heritage how can it's how can someone born and raised in the british isles end up with two

01:12:23.580 parents like from another ethnic group how did she come by her ethnicity as english if that's the

01:12:31.040 case and obviously she didn't because she's not right but then you've got um there's no room for

01:12:35.740 any serious political party that's ethnically based nationalism yes the demographic change rate

01:12:40.520 of demographic change is a huge concern yes mass immigration is undermining our national identity

01:12:44.860 well if she is as english as anyone else how do you square that so the thing is if your ancestry

01:12:51.240 descends from one ethnicity you can just automatically assume a second ethnicity as a matter of

01:12:59.280 identification no it's the same the same way with gender yes if you have parents from distinct

01:13:06.140 ethnicities then you can say i'm half this half that sure it's absolutely but when we're talking about

01:13:12.220 someone and again this isn't uh offensive when we are talking about someone who has ancestry from uh

01:13:18.820 let's say who has uh who whose parents aren't uh uh members of a particular ethnicity they can just

01:13:26.800 say well i identify as a member of that ethnicity yes you you may be able to say i'm british if you

01:13:34.880 you you are a member of you know the uk and you you care for the country but i don't see the i don't

01:13:42.840 see the problem that's my issue well that's the thing exactly where is actually where does this

01:13:47.480 problem actually come from right and it's come from questions of belonging because the the issue that

01:13:52.840 um what's his name khalid whenever i find it the issue that khalid has brought up right like is he is

01:13:59.520 demanding that the native peoples of britain include him in there as oph uk say he's doing

01:14:07.520 the let me explain your country to you mean right it's like sorry you rocked up 10 years ago mate

01:14:11.580 like i've got shirts older than how long you've been in this country i don't care about you

01:14:15.480 you know i don't there's no we between me and khalid here right and i i don't oh your colors like

01:14:20.540 i've got a british passport i don't care who cares who the hell are you you know you're you're some

01:14:25.200 weird malcontent who couldn't find peace in his own country and is somehow now here and is like

01:14:30.080 oh you can't be you can't think of yourself as a part of a group on these islands that doesn't

01:14:35.300 include me it's like i'm not part of any group that includes you just the only group that we're

01:14:39.840 in is that the british state will just stamp british passports and hand them out like they're

01:14:44.200 going out of fashion that's the only group that shares me and him but i don't know who the hell this

01:14:48.400 guy is and this is why where we we are now so from that ben habib is like no we have to

01:14:54.240 tell a lie about this and it's like no i'm sorry i'm not i'm not having that i'm not lying about

01:14:59.860 these things but i'm not saying that being english is the only thing that means you get to stay here

01:15:05.780 i've never said that you know no one sensible says that but ben has did i don't say deliberately but

01:15:12.280 ben instantly leapt to a mischaracterization here right it was it would lead our wonderful country into

01:15:17.240 a very dark alley no one's saying that what they're saying is maybe the politics of this country

01:15:21.820 shouldn't be based around foreigners maybe it should be based around native problems because

01:15:26.640 as you've conceded the rate of demographic changes of huge concern mass migration is undermining our

01:15:32.280 national identity but then john wong just comes out and smashes it he's like well look if nana is

01:15:37.520 english then why isn't london just 100 british but if she's not then the actual ethnic breakdowns

01:15:44.320 matter so which one's real and the answer is of course the one on the left is real

01:15:49.240 here and it's just sorry it's true i'm tired of like this this fiction that we're supposed to play

01:15:57.720 along with anyway so rupert lowe um posted this in response to it which is just a completely salient

01:16:06.460 point i'm just going to read it verbatim he says if i moved to japan and lived in japan for decades

01:16:10.900 speaking the language you can integrate in society and contribute to the economy would i be ethnically

01:16:14.620 japanese no i wouldn't i would never pretend to be nor would i apply that to india thailand

01:16:19.220 mexico denmark or anywhere else so why is england different of course there is an english ethnicity

01:16:23.980 i'm entirely bemused by how many argue against that it's just a fact politicians who say otherwise

01:16:29.800 are cowards this is painfully obvious restore britain's position is clear english ethnicity

01:16:35.440 exists it's the it's only it's the only sodding data point the government collects on anything

01:16:39.960 of course someone who is not of that ethnicity can be british obviously but equally it does not mean

01:16:45.280 the english ethnicity is imaginary and this is the important point you can't change your ethnicity

01:16:50.340 you can't just slide into a different ethnic group it's like schrodinger's identity it's like on the

01:16:56.020 one hand it doesn't exist on the other hand it's uniquely bad and you need to atone for it exactly

01:17:01.260 but it's literally the same as the trans argument well i'm a man i want to wear a dress therefore i become

01:17:09.000 a woman no you don't i think that's that's correct if you suddenly go to japan you don't become

01:17:15.860 ethnically japanese no i think at the end of the day what what's more important is what you said before

01:17:20.620 is that the question is am i welcome but it isn't just an issue of some people being a bit worried about

01:17:28.560 about restores policy there is also the aspect of you know political fire and mud throwing mud

01:17:37.100 hoping some of it will stick because it isn't in in these cases it isn't just a discussion in the

01:17:44.380 free marketplace of ideas where it is war against restore yes and that's why i think that if that's

01:17:53.400 why i said in the beginning i think if rupert law is very clear about what the direction of the party is

01:17:59.640 on a b c d e f g matters it's gonna be much more difficult for people who wage this against restore

01:18:10.360 to sound plausible yes and this you you're absolutely right we'll come to that in a minute

01:18:15.960 actually because we've got loads more on this um but anyway this is a being honest about what's

01:18:22.000 happening is something that got him in trouble previously uh he said that a particular footballer

01:18:27.040 paul pogba i've never heard of him was french but not ethnically french and it's just a factual

01:18:31.620 position blah blah blah separately restore britain has said from the very start owning a british passport

01:18:35.700 does not make you british as in khaled hussein whatever his name was he's not british right he

01:18:41.800 owns a british passport but he is egyptian he knows he's egyptian he calls himself egyptian he calls

01:18:47.160 himself british hyphen egyptian that means you're an egyptian who has a british passport that's all

01:18:51.320 that means right there's no we between us further than that khaled right and he says we'll see

01:18:56.740 how lazily documents have been fritted away one other piece of paper does not automatically make

01:19:00.800 you british we're very clear on that as in that el fatah guy who hates britain like an absolute

01:19:06.860 anti-british lunatic uh he's got a passport and he's no he should be stripped of it and deported

01:19:12.800 again another egyptian weirdly enough um being british encompasses much more than that it means

01:19:17.440 uh a culture shared beliefs patriotism language and common understanding of what is right and wrong

01:19:22.000 now i'm sure that nana aqua has all of those things because she grew up in britain she's going

01:19:28.740 to have a british worldview because you can't escape that that's informed how you were raised

01:19:33.060 right so she's going to have the same common understanding of what right and wrong is the

01:19:37.600 the cultural handshake that you do whenever you're a cultural age the effects of a cultural age exactly

01:19:43.140 this kind of a handshake that you have you know saying thank you to the bus driver you get off the

01:19:46.560 bus small things like this you know holding open the door being polite blah blah blah blah blah right

01:19:50.120 she's going to have all of these cultural acclimatizations because she grew up in britain

01:19:54.140 and she's going to feel out of place in other cultures no one's saying she doesn't have those

01:19:58.560 things she's got you know uh shared beliefs patriotism language common understanding of what

01:20:03.080 wrong she has all of those things and as rupa says that's that's not a thing that's tied intrinsically

01:20:09.320 and exclusively to ethnicity like if you have a an english person who's born you know like superman

01:20:15.720 is just dropped into like deepest darkest india they're going to speak an indian language they're

01:20:20.520 going to have indian customs they're going to believe in indian gods they're going to think of

01:20:25.100 themselves they're going to be patriotic towards india because they are just not raised in britain

01:20:30.240 right they're not raised in england and this is just the nature of the beast but that doesn't mean

01:20:34.580 that the english ethnicity doesn't exist that doesn't mean that the english people don't have a claim

01:20:39.040 to saying it we do have a claim to saying it so anyway as as he says look you know every country in the

01:20:45.200 world acknowledges ethnicities without descending into hysteria england should be able to do the

01:20:49.860 same and i think that's correct because one as i pointed out like the question is you know it's not

01:20:56.820 am i english but am i welcome and elon replied to that saying if ethnicity exists at all which it

01:21:01.900 obviously does then english is an ethnicity this is a simple statement of fact it's possible to be

01:21:06.080 culturally english or french or japanese etc but be ethnically different the first is software the

01:21:10.780 other is hardware which i think is actually a really good way of describing it um this should not

01:21:14.760 be a license to be cruel or unfair to people of a different ethnicity i think we should be fair

01:21:18.520 to all ethnicities but not prepare pretend that one or the other does not exist and that's the

01:21:23.080 important part right if we're going to be fair to all ethnicities what we have to then concede

01:21:28.680 is that the english ethnicity has not been in a situation where people have been fair to it

01:21:34.860 and this this was my reply to elon right say the reason that this is coming up is because there

01:21:41.040 is a question of group claims that has gone for a long time suppressed to facilitate what we call

01:21:47.220 the colonization of england the question is which group has the claim to england and the answer has

01:21:53.480 to be the english it has to be that that's the case and from that because the english have the primary

01:21:59.220 claim to england in the same way the greeks have the primary claim to greece and the greeks have the

01:22:03.780 primary claim to turkey no just joking um but you know the palestinians have the primary claim to

01:22:08.920 palestine they're the ones who get to determine the kind of culture that dominates that region

01:22:14.200 no other group has a claim to another ethnic group's native homeland and when they do we call

01:22:20.840 that imperialism we call that genocide we call that ethnic cleansing when they remove that claim

01:22:26.860 right that's there are serious words we use to describe that event and as you can see i've said

01:22:31.880 there look individuals can have certain pieces of property but the claim to the territory which allows

01:22:38.040 the group to define the character of the territory has to reside in the group itself and not in any

01:22:43.760 one of its members and this is the question that has been uh suppressed here and this is the question

01:22:49.680 that is actually being answered that rupert lowe says well yes the english exists and anyway moving on

01:22:55.540 um but that means that the people who are not english feel themselves to be slightly marginalized by the

01:23:03.400 issues of nativism as in are we going to do this the egyptian way as khaled hussein or whatever his

01:23:11.040 name is um is going to ask the answer is no right the answer is just no i think that to some extent this

01:23:16.880 could be a a native myth and what do i mean i mean that i don't for instance think that i'm

01:23:24.540 marginalized if you are saying that you're english and i'm greek i don't understand why it would be

01:23:29.600 marginalized well i don't feel marginalized if you for instance say that yeah that the english have

01:23:36.040 a claim to england i don't understand why i would be marginalized by that um because you're not trying

01:23:43.660 to impose greek culture in england right but if you were trying to impose say the call to prayer at

01:23:49.160 manchester old trafford well if we said well no this is england and you're not allowed to do that

01:23:54.200 well that guy feels marginalized because he wants to impose the call to prayer but you're not here trying

01:23:58.700 to impose something on people you're here to live in england right and to live as we do as you would

01:24:03.640 think nana akua and whoever else ben habib are but for some reason this acceptance that english cult

01:24:09.800 england should have an english culture which i think is a perfectly reasonable thing um has got everyone's

01:24:16.020 backs up and i just don't see why i mean you've got here mayurian i can't even pronounce his name

01:24:22.560 right mayurians and feel nothing yeah but the the point is is now he's got to this well why can't we

01:24:32.260 have like i want to know if restore would field an ethnic minority born in britain somewhere in their

01:24:37.880 cabinet well what difference does it make if they would or wouldn't like sorry what why why do you need

01:24:47.540 an ethnic minority in the cabinet i'm not saying they should or shouldn't right i mean i'm sure rupert would

01:24:52.100 actually but why should it be that ethnic minorities are shoved forward like what you said before it's

01:24:58.600 question of am i am i not welcome exactly would you yeah that's what it boils down to but the but the

01:25:05.480 point is notice how this is just basically a dei question we're not we're not asking are they good

01:25:12.220 he's not asking are they competent are they brilliant are they going to be an asset he's just saying no i just

01:25:17.600 need an ethnic minority there because for some reason the foreigners must dominate all of our politics

01:25:22.980 i mean let's say like what's his name again maria mayuran let's say that you don't right that that doesn't

01:25:31.460 mean anything you're not going to personally lose anything from that and the question is well why do you

01:25:36.380 as an indian man need representation in the british government that you have an entire continent the

01:25:42.000 subcontinent that has representation for indians like if this is such an important thing where's my

01:25:46.200 representation over there right no it's because what you're doing essentially is holding restore

01:25:51.380 britain hostage you're trying to say no you have to be for us as much as you are for the native

01:25:56.240 population so but every other party does that reform is full of foreigners at the highest levels

01:26:01.340 i think sorry why are you doing this to us i mean i don't know about a specific person i think

01:26:07.020 one one of the if i am to give a charitable interpretation i would say that um there are people

01:26:15.120 who who who who do care about britain without being ethnically english we know there are lots of

01:26:22.920 them yes and they frequently may take risks in order to talk about subjects engage in activism for

01:26:32.720 purposes that are pro british and pro english so that's i think long's a great example that's i think

01:26:42.080 the question is right i'm i'm taking all these risks and some of these risks are sometimes uh more than

01:26:50.580 the let's say the average person does and that's not particularly a high bar let's be honest because

01:26:55.720 most people aren't that engaged in politics but but it is still something so the question is

01:27:01.340 does this count for something or does it count for nothing that's the charitable interpretation but it's not

01:27:07.860 the only interpretation there are other people who have as you said very um anti-english and anti-british

01:27:14.960 agendas yeah so i think that's a great point is um is it all or nothing yeah and i think the issue is

01:27:24.640 that obviously it's neither one of those things right because i mean like rupert has been perfectly clear

01:27:29.640 about the policies of restore britain and so this whole thing has been a a rather strange

01:27:34.760 mischaracterization of everything because i mean if you just scroll through this very long list of

01:27:39.180 things that he wants to do you'll find that he's not actually making any kind of ethnic commentary at

01:27:45.640 all and none of these policies are explicitly ethnic um but what they do is represent the ethnic claim to

01:27:55.120 the land right so the most explicit one is foreign language translation ended uh if you live in england

01:28:01.260 you have to speak english right that's the most ethnically explicitly ethnically one and i think

01:28:06.400 everyone agrees with it right but what what but what's the claim there what's the claim there the claim

01:28:11.940 is this is england it belongs to the english and because it belongs to the english you have to speak

01:28:17.220 english to fit in right so that's the only really express expressly ethnic claim but then when you look at

01:28:24.020 the rest of them you'll notice what no it's just that it's just common sense exactly i live in greece

01:28:31.520 i speak greek you know i live in italy i speak italian whatever they speak uh you know it it's a it but what

01:28:38.760 that is predicated on is an ethnic claim to the land right there's an ethnic claim to the country and

01:28:43.240 that therefore the ethnicity the dominant ethnicity of the country to whom the country belongs and after whom

01:28:47.520 that is named gets the final say and that's what these previous people are complaining about sorry

01:28:54.060 are you saying that it's like yes i'm saying that i want to ask you something uh about this because i

01:28:58.940 was thinking of whether you think when when we're talking about empires empires tend to be a bit more

01:29:05.520 more multicultural it's just an administrative issue yeah so do you think that current britain

01:29:12.120 is to some extent a microcosm or intended to be a microcosm of the british empire is like

01:29:21.640 um it's just all of the the the empire just at home so you walk at the end so you walk it's like a map

01:29:30.880 where you you see you have the different scales it's like say you walk down this road the ghetto is

01:29:36.220 more like i'm taking a trip to the colonies is this a way of somehow linking the the idea of empire

01:29:45.360 with current britain but not in the sense of of the of the ultra pro empire uh right winger yeah

01:29:54.640 in the sense of the person says the empire was bad then it needs to atone for itself and for it to

01:30:01.020 atone for itself it has to stay into existence but it's a form of existence that is a microcosm of

01:30:08.480 what it used to be and it stays into existence in order to fund the the di project of addressing all

01:30:17.860 the historical wrongs of the past is this a kind of i'm not even sure but the the thing is it is a

01:30:23.740 continuity of the british empire and all empires view uh the conquered and subject peoples as um

01:30:33.460 human capital let's view them as human capital usually they they privilege the the an empire is

01:30:39.740 one ethnic group dominating others right that's that's what the empire is and usually that privileges

01:30:44.460 the dominating ethnic group over those dominated but the problem that the british empire has had

01:30:49.920 is essentially after world war ii liberalism won uh over fascism over over ethnic particular

01:30:56.660 particularity and so now ethnic equality became the ruling paradigm of the 20th century either in

01:31:02.160 communism or liberalism and that leaves the european empires kind of up the up the creek without a

01:31:07.940 paddle because the european empires were always ethnic empires in the traditional mold well i mean you

01:31:13.680 know i disagree a bit with it because i think i think that uh liberalism was really strong in the 19th

01:31:18.700 century and there was a it was but there was a continued between a nationalism of the time and

01:31:25.440 liberalism but the the liberalism of the time was kind of contained in the national um mold but

01:31:31.820 afterwards it becomes a worldwide product right because we end up in the cold war between uh the

01:31:38.200 universalist communists and the universalist liberals and so really what this is kind of shedding the

01:31:44.120 previous forms yeah to get to the more pure version of itself right no no i i we haven't actually got

01:31:50.160 that much time that's a nice conversation we should have it we absolutely should have it but the point

01:31:54.620 is liberalism and communism had morally delegitimized the national imperialism but isn't that more an issue

01:32:01.360 of empire because that was in a sense a made a global scale rivalry between two sides and their

01:32:07.740 spheres of influence and because it was like that and they and both sides needed to have sphere of influence

01:32:13.680 and the support from their spheres of influence especially the american i think it's a long conversation

01:32:18.580 we'll have to get into another time but the the the point being right rupert is not making an avowedly

01:32:23.880 ethnic case unless you consider speaking english as an avowedly ethnic thing i mean technically it is but i think

01:32:30.120 everyone would agree to it um but really if you look at the list of things that he's asking for here

01:32:35.260 what they are essentially is just british prejudices the the british prefer to trust parents to make

01:32:41.760 decisions for their families that's just the british preference welfare radically slashed back that's the

01:32:47.800 british preference that's not necessarily the pakistani preference that's the british preference so what

01:32:52.980 this is doing what this this manifesto is is a way of asserting the english group mind over the country

01:33:02.120 where it has been damaged and taken away from us no we're not happy about the way that the country is

01:33:08.600 being run for immigrants for foreigners and this isn't going to mean foreigners lose their rights this

01:33:14.100 doesn't mean that foreigners can't support it this doesn't mean foreigners can't be in a position of

01:33:18.460 authority even though the question is why do you need that it means that this is going to just set the

01:33:24.100 tone and character of the country to be conformable with english prejudices and i think that's actually

01:33:30.980 what every group expects from their own country the indians expect india to be conformable to indian

01:33:36.500 prejudices the pakistanis expect pakistan blah blah blah the same everywhere else and so why can't we

01:33:41.440 have that in our country right this is not about saying that no foreigner can ever belong or anything

01:33:46.480 like that it's about saying there's a way of doing things and it has to be our way there are good and bad

01:33:52.520 ways of belonging of course and just so they can be good or bad ways of belonging for you they can

01:33:59.500 also be good and bad ways of belonging to group for the for the group yes well i mean the and the

01:34:05.460 imposition of uh minority politics on the majority is the problem and that's what restore britain is kind

01:34:12.140 of response to um but not not not in an exclusive way i mean like you're you're a minority here

01:34:18.440 you're here i mean if you end up here like you know how much more inclusive can we go no i want to

01:34:26.360 say this because i i really want to i really believe this and because i i hear um lots of people

01:34:33.120 you know just hurling accusations and stuff the amount of things i've heard in academia

01:34:40.240 off camera because there can be also recordings in academia are incredibly extreme yes anyway um

01:34:50.680 so i've actually this has gone longer than normal so um i'm going to read some of the comments from

01:34:56.120 the new website the new website what do you think guys brand new website spent six months developing it

01:35:00.740 um this i think it looks great uh dirty belt says i lose a quarter of my income tax to say nothing of

01:35:07.060 how much more is stolen via v80 and other taxes when i think of what could have been done with

01:35:10.600 that extra money i feel rage how many productive businesses been snuffed out before they even

01:35:14.180 started because people rightly asked why should i bother i'll be bled dry anyway yeah it's completely

01:35:18.880 true and it's just mental michael says jesus christ and i thought the u.s was stupid in its government

01:35:24.900 size and britain has a more homogenous population this is just mental uh yes it is it's absolutely insane

01:35:31.960 cost says i paid 69 000 pounds in tax and deductions last year hmrc decided i owed them another nine grand

01:35:40.700 and i told them i'd shove it the first time in my life i've refused the shakedown so we'll see how it goes

01:35:45.040 that's just brutal absolutely brutal fuzzy toaster i paid 63 grand in tax last year

01:35:53.160 listen fuzzy i can't help but notice you're a bronze tier subscriber

01:35:56.440 if you're if you're if you're paying that much in tax you can afford to bring my gold tier

01:36:01.220 he says i'm a day trader i'm joking um i refuse to flee my helmet seriously the same hit right

01:36:07.900 like i i with this dubai thing there are a bunch of like influencers who have come out oh i'm living

01:36:13.080 in dubai it's like oh are you well i'm not living in dubai you know what i mean like and i don't get

01:36:18.420 wrong i'm not i don't even blame them i just can't bring myself to do it um but uh but yeah i've got

01:36:24.560 to move on from what looks like fed posting um henry says i really struggle to get over the amount

01:36:29.900 of money the uk spends on debt servicing for i see it's it if it's for a single one-off hit like

01:36:34.940 paying a war or the emancipation of slaves you can understand but for day-to-day spending yeah i know

01:36:39.660 there's 138 billion deaths a year just i just it's just it's just it honestly it's gonna

01:36:47.620 it's insufferable michael says i saw a ramadan advent calendar in little couldn't help but laugh

01:36:54.620 oh no it's insufferable it's absolutely insufferable um sorry i'm trying to i'm trying

01:37:02.160 to find comments that aren't too spicy okay um that's a random name says karl what are they

01:37:08.440 thinking that's the point karl normies literally don't think which my universal suffrage was a mistake

01:37:13.180 well i mean the thing is a lot of people are just easily drawn in by the propaganda and it's

01:37:20.480 because they get a pat on the back and they're told oh you're a good person for joining this

01:37:24.080 right because this is what they think the standard of morality is and i'm just at the point where i'm

01:37:28.560 like i reject it entirely um george says uh the lefties do make one good point football clubs are

01:37:35.660 not english they are full with foreign players they're often owned by foreigners in a way they're

01:37:39.480 the perfect example of global home institutions where people are interchangeable oh yeah this is

01:37:44.120 literally this furious dan says it does feel like people in developed countries just stopped thinking

01:37:50.220 in generations yes we did it's a long conversation to talk about why that has happened um adrian says

01:37:57.400 the dissension between civically or ethnically british needs to be established in these debates

01:38:01.180 as a hard and fast fact that is removed from moral judgment otherwise pearl clutching will halt any

01:38:06.040 useful discussion yeah and this is this is the point of really everything i was saying today

01:38:10.760 it's like look i'm not prepared to tell a lie right i'm not prepared to lie about these things

01:38:15.420 really the the moral falters on the person who's demanding that you lie to maintain a politically

01:38:21.260 correct fiction right nana akua is not english and that's okay it's not a judgment i'm not saying

01:38:27.320 she's not british i'm not saying she's not welcome but i am going to say she's not english because

01:38:31.860 that's just the truth of it you know if she had like english ancestry i'd say well like ben habib

01:38:37.080 has got english ancestry therefore i'm happy to say that he's english like his mum was english his dad

01:38:41.760 was pakistani okay well then you are english and pakistani you have a claim to both sides of your

01:38:46.860 ancestry you can claim to you know because you do have those things but she doesn't have those things

01:38:51.680 she was born in britain she was raised in britain so she is culturally british and therefore she can be

01:38:56.780 welcome that's fine because i mean she's not like some radical leftist who's trying to destroy the

01:39:00.340 country but this attitude of somehow my my ghanian identity needs to be included in being english

01:39:08.020 can't be on the table and so and for those indian guys who are like ah yes you have to consider our

01:39:13.440 interests and our political concerns above your own no i'm sorry i'm just not up for it you know

01:39:18.360 this is these are the concerns i have as an englishman as a brit right the and this is just basic

01:39:24.300 almost everyone everyone every normal british person in the country agrees with all of these things

01:39:29.500 fly tippers crushed under the law yeah totally agree i don't want the country looking like india

01:39:34.300 flat crushed under the law personal tax slashed pro-family policy first reform the family courts

01:39:41.440 trust parents to make decisions make britain safe again no nonsense policing welfare radically slashed

01:39:47.160 support brits who genuinely need help as in 53 percent of the country are not next net beneficiaries of

01:39:53.200 the government foreign policy that puts british interests first support system for veterans

01:39:57.880 ending arbitrary foreign aid like again this is all just the thing that normal people believe

01:40:04.440 you know you don't have to be british to believe these things or ethically english to believe these

01:40:08.940 things but these are things that are majority built uh believed in by the english and are held by them

01:40:13.560 and i'm sorry i'm not taking this sort of foreign squabbling what are you what about an indian what

01:40:19.540 about an indian i don't care this is what we want and we're at seven percent of the polls at the moment

01:40:23.600 and we're going to go higher so go and spread the word anyway on that note i think we're out of time

01:40:28.240 i think in fact samson's probably been signaling for a while so thank you for joining us folks and

01:40:32.820 uh we'll see you in well i think half an hour for realpolitik uh on the brand new website so come and

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The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - March 02, 2026

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