The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1368

00:00:00.000 Good afternoon folks, welcome to the podcast of the Lotus Eaters for Thursday the 5th of March.

00:00:04.760 God, it's the 5th of March already, 2026. I'm joined by Lucy White and Ferris and today we're

00:00:10.620 going to be talking about the right-wing Oscars because the state of hate from Hope Not Hate has

00:00:15.520 just dropped. Who's in it? Well, we'll find out who gets the prizes. We're going to be talking

00:00:20.180 about how Nigel Farage is literally constructing the UK's uniparty for some reason. No one can

00:00:27.780 quite explain why, but he's hell-bent on doing it. And then we're going to be talking about just

00:00:31.720 how bad halal slaughter is, non-stunned slaughter generally actually, and the case for why it really

00:00:37.600 should be banned. But right, so let's just crack on. So every year there is an exciting moment when

00:00:45.480 Hope Not Hate dropped their famous state of hate report. Now, I'm not actually sure who actually

00:00:50.780 reads this. They think that it's parliamentarians and sort of Westminster bubble types, but honestly

00:00:57.420 why would they bother? It's just, here's everyone on the right wing and we think they're

00:01:02.380 racist. It's like, yeah, we know. I think the objective is to get these people banned by

00:01:08.120 saying that in the same way that the Southern Poverty Law Center or the ADL will say that

00:01:14.280 you are a radical extremist, therefore you should be un-personed, de-platformed, da-da-da-da-da. 0.67

00:01:19.920 Oh, he's been featured in Hope Not Hate. You should ban him. Exactly. That's the actual aim here. 0.53

00:01:25.880 But the problem that they have is it's literally the boy who cried wolf. Right. You cast a wide

00:01:32.560 enough net, you keep fooling people in saying, oh, this person, this person, and you've got

00:01:36.840 to a point now where it's like, well, we would have to ban hundreds of different politicians

00:01:41.080 and about three different political parties. Hope Not Hate got their way, which is obviously

00:01:46.040 not going to happen. Which is exactly what they would want. Precisely what. They would want

00:01:50.240 to ban everybody except the Greens, right? No, no, they're a Labour organ. They're a Labour

00:01:54.860 party organ. Well, Labour is... Morally, they agree with the Greens. Shabara Mahmood is a Nazi,

00:01:59.220 I've been told. Doubtless they think that. But morally, they agree with, you know, the Greens, 0.94

00:02:05.940 but Labour are practically the realistic solution and probably they're funders. So anyway, here's

00:02:11.040 the state of hate. And I thought we'd go through it. We've got the full PDF here, in fact.

00:02:15.540 What a great cover. We've got Nigel Farage, Rupert Lowe, Tommy Robinson, Steve Laws,

00:02:21.580 and Nick Tenconi, for some reason. So gutted that I didn't get one of the top five Oscars here.

00:02:28.080 Didn't make it to the front cover. Surprised Dark Horse and Nick Tenconi getting there, you know? I mean,

00:02:33.200 he's currently disavowing Restore Britain for being racist, just like Nigel Farage. So anyway,

00:02:40.720 you know, so anyway, we'll go through it. So on page six, they've got the editorial from Nick

00:02:46.620 Lowe's himself. Did they have something saying, uh, donate to stop reform? Yes. Yeah. Yeah.

00:02:52.920 They, they, donate, donate. I mean, hope not hate. It always has funding problems. So

00:02:57.640 doubtless, you know, they need to raise some money. Uh, but I imagine that the readership

00:03:03.200 is 90% right wing. So good luck with that. Anyway, he complains that, uh, this year's report

00:03:07.980 comes against the backdrop of a far right that's growing in size, in its extremism and in its

00:03:13.620 confrontational stance. It's great. Congratulations, everyone. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well done. A good

00:03:18.440 job. That's a lot of hard work. It's really paying off. Well, essentially it's, it's our

00:03:24.280 reaction to what's going on, isn't it? It's like they say we're growing more extreme. It's

00:03:28.020 like, well, have you seen the state of the country? What did you expect? Yes. I, I don't. Every

00:03:32.860 action has an equal and opposite reaction. I don't find myself to be extreme. I just find the

00:03:36.980 state of the country to be disgraceful, uh, and unacceptable, frankly. Uh, but anyway, one of

00:03:42.640 the, uh, one of the main points, he says, unquestionably, uh, the most important new

00:03:46.420 development of the year was Stephen Lennon's, AKA Tommy Robinson. No, no, it's Yaxley Lennon,

00:03:52.260 uh, which saw in excess of 150,000 people take the streets of London. Probably bigger than

00:03:56.600 that, in my opinion. And I was there, so I would think I would know. But anyway, uh, it

00:04:00.520 was the largest far right protest in British history. And so this is one of those things

00:04:04.580 where people like, oh, what's the point of these protests? Well, to put the fear of God

00:04:07.460 into them, frankly, uh, put the fear of God into Keir Starmer and it just galvanized

00:04:12.180 people, gives people a way of expressing themselves. Um, so the United Kingdom, as far

00:04:16.620 as I'm concerned, was a success because of that. Uh, and then they say, sadly, so far

00:04:20.660 the government has failed to adequately, adequately meet the challenge. At a time

00:04:24.420 when political leadership was most needed, the government was at best largely

00:04:27.300 silent, adding only to the sense of fear that many people felt. Notice how they're

00:04:31.820 appealing to the government there though, right? Where, where is the British 1.00

00:04:35.400 government on this? Where's the Labour government? It's like, well, why do you

00:04:37.840 feel represented by the Labour government? Yes. You feel like the Labour

00:04:41.920 government should be addressing this as you want because you are an arm of the

00:04:45.980 Labour government and everyone knows it. Which, again, is probably where you get

00:04:48.940 most of your funding. Uh, worse still, in attempts to appear tough on immigration

00:04:52.740 has echoed far-right narratives about feeling like a stranger in one's own

00:04:57.100 country and made claims that mass immigration has done incalculable damage to the

00:05:00.980 British economy. The problem that you have though, Nick, is that these problems

00:05:04.660 are real and we are experiencing them every day of our lives. I don't understand

00:05:08.980 why supply and demand are suspended for migration. Well, uh, otherwise they

00:05:13.840 wouldn't have any justification for it. Excess supply, zero demand, negative demand.

00:05:20.100 Wow. How do you swing this? Supply of labour, lower wages, higher housing costs,

00:05:25.660 higher cost of everything else. That's, that's how it works. Yeah, it's quite mad. I mean,

00:05:30.100 something like, um, 20% of people between 60 and 64 are economically inactive, as in

00:05:37.420 working age adults, and yet we get 260,000 work visas a year. What are we doing? So

00:05:42.920 anyway, it doesn't matter. Supply and demand don't exist. These are, of course,

00:05:46.420 far-right narratives. Anyway, so they've got the executive summary, which I think is

00:05:49.520 just brilliant from the title. The far-right is bigger, bolder, and more extreme than

00:05:54.520 ever before. Uh, we're winning, lads, basically, is what they're arguing. Uh, this, this is just

00:05:59.640 a rundown of the ideological disputes on the right, so we'll just skip over that. Uh,

00:06:04.460 what a great endorsement. Everyone's just working so hard. Uh, so I don't even need to read it.

00:06:14.020 You can see the issue. But as you can see, pressure from the right here. This is the bit

00:06:17.100 where it gets interesting, I think, uh, because they recognize that, um, and this would have been

00:06:20.980 written, uh, you know, however many weeks ago. Uh, but they recognize that, uh, Restore was about

00:06:26.460 to hit when this was printed 100k. It's now sailed past this. Uh, and it's probably a problem. Uh,

00:06:32.980 Rupert Lowe is already by far the most extreme MP. The team around him even more radical. Well,

00:06:40.000 brilliant. With key figures openly advocating for remigration. What a superb advert. Yeah. 1.00

00:06:44.600 I love the scare quotes. Yeah. I love how every good idea must have scare quotes.

00:06:50.080 Yes. Yes. Cause when you utter a thing, you kind of invoke the thing. And so they have to imply that

00:06:56.920 they're distancing themselves from it. Uh, as if anyone thought that hope not hate went based or

00:07:01.900 something. Um, anyway, so yes, they can see that, uh, things are getting worse for the centrist

00:07:07.600 consensus, right? The Blairite consensus. Uh, there are significant challenges and they don't really

00:07:12.740 have the tools to overcome them. Uh, they go on about all these things and blah, blah, blah. I get to civil

00:07:17.160 war with David Betts. Uh, the rise of, um, nativism, I think is a fair way of. Can I pause you there for a

00:07:24.500 second? If more and more British people believe that there is a genuine risk of civil war, the problem

00:07:32.200 isn't that they're being radicalized. The problem is that there is a genuine risk of civil war. Yes.

00:07:36.960 And you want to ask yourself, what has broken the legitimacy of the system to an extent that people

00:07:42.520 now believe that the only way it could be fixed is through violence. I mean, that would be what a

00:07:48.940 good faith thinker might suggest. Correct. But they are incapable of doing that. Yes.

00:07:58.440 That's why, um, remigration is essentially the peaceful option. Yes. It's essentially the last 0.76

00:08:04.640 option where we say, you know, these people have to leave. You can leave peacefully and return home.

00:08:09.660 You cannot stay here because we're essentially already experiencing what you could call a civil

00:08:14.380 war every day as we were discussing. There's rapes, stabbings. Um, these are the sort of effects

00:08:20.980 or what we're seeing parts of a civil war play out already. Remigrating the Palestinians from Lebanon

00:08:26.760 firstly would have stopped a civil war from happening. Secondly, could only ended up happening

00:08:33.860 because the Israelis invaded Lebanon all the way to Beirut and kicked the Palestinians out.

00:08:38.320 So when things get to a certain point, violence becomes really the only arbiter.

00:08:44.540 Well, let's come to civil war in a minute, actually, because they've got quite a lot on that.

00:08:48.020 Um, so here we have their working definition of far right, which is pretty broad. It's an umbrella term

00:08:52.660 that encompasses those individuals and organizations whose political outlook is more extreme or hard

00:08:57.940 line than those of the center right of the mainstream political spectrum. Well, it hasn't really explained

00:09:02.920 anything, has it? No. It hasn't defined anything. No, exactly. It's, it's, it's, that's a very,

00:09:08.640 very watery, uh, definition. Uh, however, it is important to recognize that far right is often

00:09:14.320 distinct from more traditional conservatism and is often aggressively opposed to it. Right. So what

00:09:19.220 you're saying is traditional conservatism is Blairism, which is why Michael Gove was promoting the 0.96

00:09:25.200 good slut book that, um, Zoe Strimple wrote. And you know, so that's the, the telegraph and the 0.95

00:09:31.040 spectator hand in hand going, yes, feminism. Uh, yeah, no, I'm opposed to that. If that's what 1.00

00:09:36.460 traditional conservatism is now, I'm definitely opposed to it. Uh, so again, just, it's a useful

00:09:42.560 term apparently, although you've not really suggested why it seems to be useful in that you are putting

00:09:48.680 someone in a box and telling them they're a bad person. Seems to be all it is, but, uh, you're not

00:09:53.520 making a proper argument here. And of course, you've got like the various shades of the far

00:09:58.540 right. There's far right, far right, far right, far right, far right. And then far right with a

00:10:03.760 swastika. Okay. That's, that's very useful. Um, but anyway, they say the radical right rejects,

00:10:10.960 uh, accepts fundamentals of democracy, but rejects certain values of liberal democracy,

00:10:14.680 such as minority rights and pluralism. I'm not even sure that's a really fair characterization of

00:10:18.760 even quite the most hardline right winger. No one's suggesting that minorities have to lose

00:10:23.060 their rights as in they're not going to have their property stolen from them or just be abused by

00:10:28.080 the state or something. Just perhaps maybe the British people should have the same rights as

00:10:33.700 them. I think it's the most common charge. By their lights, both Malaysia and South Africa would be far

00:10:40.180 right. That, that, that's the thing. I mean, if, if, if you know, maybe the world, yeah, other political

00:10:46.560 systems, Indonesia, Malaysia, and South Africa would all be considered far right because they place the

00:10:54.440 interests of what they call natives above those of others. And they define the Malays, the Indonesians

00:11:02.000 and black South Africans as the natives. So there's a element of ridiculousness to this whole thing. 1.00

00:11:08.520 Yes. 0.71

00:11:09.060 If you're calling South Africa far right, but that is what is implied.

00:11:11.900 Yes. Well, that's the thing. What they, what they're really talking about is any kind of native

00:11:16.720 sentiment, pro-native sentiment. So yes, you are right. Even though it's a massively communistic

00:11:22.140 country, South Africa's sort of black population and their representatives are massively nativist 1.00

00:11:27.620 towards those and particular towards those. And of course, stigmatize the whites. And so that's, 0.62

00:11:32.680 that would be by this definition of far right. But here we go. The definition of far right,

00:11:36.240 not terribly useful, but we're not here for their good thoughts. Is the coming civil war

00:11:41.760 section, page 12, which is quite interesting. It focuses on David Betts and Gadsad, obviously,

00:11:47.920 who have been warning about this. Why, why might Gadsad know something about civil war?

00:11:52.240 Oh, he's a Lebanese Jew. That's why he had to flee Lebanon because of some reason, something 1.00

00:11:57.380 happened in the 1980s in Lebanon.

00:11:59.580 Well, apparently something did.

00:12:01.360 Yeah. Something did.

00:12:02.400 Palestinians migrated with their guns and then. 0.98

00:12:04.880 And then the far right took over. I don't know what we're saying. You know, yeah. So

00:12:10.180 anyway, here's a, here's a nice chart they've got where they've polled various people, how

00:12:15.900 likely they think it was, there'll be a civil war. Now, 2024 reform UK voters, over 50% of

00:12:23.540 them think there's a civil war coming. Nigel Farage has decided that he's going to, as we'll

00:12:30.360 see soon, just reconstitute Labour and Conservatives under the reform banner. So I don't think

00:12:35.480 he understands his own supporters.

00:12:37.440 No, he doesn't.

00:12:38.400 So this is just an interesting point.

00:12:40.160 He betrayed his, his base, his subwater base.

00:12:42.880 He doesn't like them. That's the fundamental issue.

00:12:45.620 I mean, fundamentally of just all, all groups, 31% think there will be a civil war. 38% think

00:12:51.620 there won't be. Now when 31% think, yeah, I think there's going to be a civil war. I'd be

00:12:55.980 hearing that as I'm going to fight a civil war, right? I'm so unhappy with the state

00:12:59.920 of affairs. Oh yeah. I'm thinking about it. You know, not necessarily. What it means is

00:13:04.520 that a third of the electorate has so lost confidence in the system that they think there's

00:13:10.600 going to be violence. Correct. And look around you. Yeah. There is violence every day.

00:13:18.260 And that's half of reform, more than half of reform voters. Yeah. Think that. So anyway,

00:13:23.000 they, they, they understand that there are significant political schisms and fault lines

00:13:28.800 in Britain, and this isn't going great. Um, there's, you know, they've got a lot on this,

00:13:32.900 but there's Elon's spiritual leader, Gad Saad, average Nazi. Um, moving on. 0.69

00:13:42.900 Um, they get to, uh, they eventually at page 24, this is a picture of Bregovich or something.

00:13:48.920 Um, no, no, it wasn't. I don't think it was anyway. It was some other guy. Oh, it is

00:13:54.660 Anders Breivik. Oh, okay. Okay. Um, right. So he gets to, I mean, they go through like,

00:14:01.980 you know, foreign interference, blah, blah, blah. And then Elon Musk. I'm fine. The British 0.97

00:14:06.880 far right. So basically they, I, they, they have their series of generic complaints about

00:14:11.340 Elon Musk, but understand and identify that. Yes. Twitter has helped us. Uh, yes, it has

00:14:16.680 obviously, um, and they go through quite a long time. Uh, I love this. It's just an

00:14:21.880 entire page. Hold on to hope. Yeah. This is all sounding quite bad. If you're a left

00:14:25.620 winger, you're like, hold on to hope. Are we getting crushed here? You know, are we losing

00:14:31.500 this fight? It seems it's not going great. Anyway. Yeah. They complain about Twitter X.

00:14:37.540 They're complaining about Amelia, apparently. Uh, they probably do. They created Amelia, didn't

00:14:42.460 they? They did. The government. Yes. That's the funny thing. I know that's just written

00:14:46.280 by Amelia Hart. No, above that or something. Was it? Was it? Uh, no, no, no. Um, oh no,

00:14:51.800 no, no. That was rock, uh, putting people in bikinis. Okay. A completely trivial story 0.99

00:14:56.400 that they've, um, anyway. So then you've got, uh, the far right getting out in the streets,

00:15:01.380 which of course they have been, and they probably will continue to do this year as the weather

00:15:05.240 improves. Then we get to normalizing, Hey, the role of the British media. And this is, this

00:15:10.060 is where things start to get quite fun. I think because it goes, this part really

00:15:14.400 shows the scope of what Hope Not Hate feel the problem is. Now, of course, GB News is

00:15:19.100 there. Now, GB News is not very extreme. No. Really moderate. I don't watch television,

00:15:27.940 so I don't know. Well, I see the clips. They're regulated by Ofcom, so they can't really say

00:15:32.760 what they want to say. Exactly. And also, they're more sort of, you know, disaffected conservatives,

00:15:41.140 right? Rather than, you know, far right radicals or anything like that. They'd be happy with a

00:15:46.180 return to the 1990s and the Blairite consensus without the demographic change. Completely.

00:15:51.680 That, that, which is, you know, reasonable. Let's all be decent enough to each other and

00:15:55.860 sort of, you know, get on, which is, what's the objection to that? Exactly. It's completely

00:16:00.940 understandable, but unfortunately we're in a complete different situation now. So it's a bit too late

00:16:04.980 for that, I would suggest. Uh, anyway, so they complain about Matt Goodwin, Bev Turner,

00:16:08.700 Neil Oliver, blah, blah, blah. But then we get the spectator. Sorry, the spectator. Is

00:16:15.160 that, is that a problem? Is it? The spectator is a problem. Nick Cohen is a problem?

00:16:21.440 Whom several women have accused of unwanted sexual advances, including groping. Like, okay,

00:16:27.520 Laurie. So what? You can accuse anyone of everything. Douglas Murray? Ron Little. Yeah, I know, exactly,

00:16:31.760 right? Oh, there I am, mentioned on the GB News thing. Um. Well, I mean, Douglas Murray, if

00:16:35.800 you, if you look there, it says, um, the Great Replacement Conspiracy Theory, but we

00:16:40.560 know it's not a conspiracy. It's, it's even. You're living through it. It's a United, it's

00:16:44.380 also a United Nations, uh, report. It's over a hundred pages long. It's an actual. I've

00:16:48.620 actually read that report. Yeah. The report is, what would we, what, what would the

00:16:52.460 consequences be if we got replacement migration? Now, they theorized it would give economic

00:16:56.220 growth, but they also understood, you know, it might not be worth it because there'll be

00:16:59.400 huge social prices to pay, uh, up into and including civil war. And they did it anyway.

00:17:05.320 And now we're at the point where it's like, ah, everyone's thinking it might be a civil

00:17:07.940 war. So who could have known? But, uh, anyway, yeah, Douglas Murray and Rod Little are featured

00:17:13.800 in the State of Hate for being, uh, hateful. And then you got the Telegraph. It's like,

00:17:17.220 my God. Like, it just literally, the, the Tory graph, the conservative newspaper in the

00:17:23.960 country is the problem. Got Poppy Coburn there, Douglas Carswell, Alison Pearson. Oh my God,

00:17:30.360 they're all bad. And of course, the Daily Mail. I don't think that's right wing. Well,

00:17:34.260 that's the point, isn't it? The Daily Mail is schizophrenic. Yeah. Yeah. They did a hit 0.98

00:17:38.620 piece on me, but also with the Telegraph, they keep doing hit pieces on Rupert Lowe. So

00:17:42.160 I don't think they're quite a right wing. Well, again, in the sort of Blairite consensus,

00:17:48.020 maybe they're on the right of it, but they're not what we would consider right wing. I think

00:17:51.720 the whole purpose is to use this to maintain pressure on everyone, to threaten them with

00:17:58.040 reputational destruction if they're mentioned by hope, not hate. Correct. Except that now

00:18:02.560 it's become everyone. Exactly. Now it's become farcical. It's just comedy at this. Telegraph,

00:18:08.580 the Daily Mail, the Spectator. Who's next? The Express. Oh, right. Yeah. Okay. Well,

00:18:13.260 that's me. Isn't that like 150 years old? Yeah. This is a really old newspaper. It's just

00:18:20.260 like, yep, that's far right too. Yeah. There's Lucy White. There we go. Oh, wow. That's me. I made

00:18:24.100 it to the Hall of Fame. Well done. Well done. Thank you. But you'll notice that they're just

00:18:28.900 casting the widest possible net to include anything that's right wing. Yeah. And so their

00:18:33.120 complaint is, well, the far right are everywhere in every newspaper in political parties. They

00:18:39.840 have political representation. And this is a bit of a problem for them. The Spectator apologised

00:18:44.000 to them apparently, but who cares? Moving on. So then we've got Reform. Now they have a

00:18:49.040 huge section on Reform. It's about 20 pages long. So Samsung, can you do us a favour and

00:18:55.100 in a second skip to page 61, please? So this is a really interesting section that I'm going

00:19:00.700 to summarise because they've spent the last decade or so calling everyone a Nazi. Okay.

00:19:07.780 Nigel Farage, Nazi. Now, Nigel Farage has gone incredibly wet, incredibly limp, incredibly 0.98

00:19:15.100 centrist, betraying his base. And the problem for Hope Not Hate is they can't walk that back.

00:19:22.060 No, we spent decades demonising Nigel Farage as the far right boogeyman. But actually, things

00:19:28.200 have got so bad, the right has gone so far to the right, Nigel Farage looks like a moderate

00:19:32.760 centrist. So now we have defined literally everything from Nigel Farage rightwards as

00:19:37.460 extremism. That's well over half the country at this point.

00:19:42.580 I mean, if... Hans, are we the baddies?

00:19:47.440 I mean, you are completely under siege.

00:19:52.340 They should take a moment to consider the possibility that maybe they're the problem. Maybe having a

00:20:00.880 betting shop, a vape shop and a kebab shop being the entirety of the high street.

00:20:07.000 It is actually a bad thing. Maybe. But for the sake of time, we're going to have to move

00:20:11.280 on. Anyway, so then you've got the radical right. Ooh, that's us. Okay. You've got Advanced

00:20:16.620 UK, Ben Habib, radical rightist. Yep. And then you've got Restore Britain. Radical rightist.

00:20:22.740 Yep. Good. Nice full page spread there. And then you've got us. We've got a nice... Basically

00:20:30.280 a full page spread because it goes down on this side as well. But I love this. The Swindon

00:20:35.720 Grievance Factory. It sounds like a great nightclub.

00:20:39.980 It does. We're in the nightclub right now as we speak.

00:20:43.500 But I love this, right? Every year, they have something of the same line, which is, with

00:20:49.260 a level of production value unusual among the British far right, the load seaters hosts

00:20:53.680 an array of text, audio, video content behind the paywall. Also uses mainstream platforms,

00:20:57.800 including YouTube, where it's received almost 400 million views across two main channels.

00:21:02.080 So we're great. A great podcast that's very successful. Well, I'm glad to hear that.

00:21:07.720 Like, this is the thing. Exactly. Exactly. They can be like, oh, we're racist, authoritarian,

00:21:13.420 blah, blah, blah. But they are hugely successful. How is this happening?

00:21:18.640 It's also similar to the fact that, you know, one of the only reasons reform was polling so

00:21:22.980 high is because people are fed up, you know, and we want mass deportations, etc. And so,

00:21:30.280 yeah, no wonder we're popular because people agree with us.

00:21:34.100 If you just see the stream of stories that comes out in the news every day, and if you

00:21:38.960 just walk around the average town center, that's radicalizing.

00:21:44.020 Well, that's why the show has darkened over time. Ethno-nationalist positions are taken

00:21:48.800 as read and discussions can quickly devolve into base racism. With free market economic

00:21:53.540 leanings, mingling with calls for brutal state crackdowns against ideological and ethnic

00:21:58.980 enemies. Wow, there we go.

00:22:00.360 Like, can we barely knock some enemies? I guess. Like, the North Nigerians are, I mean, 1.00

00:22:06.480 she's not the Prime Minister yet, so I don't think we're at war with that.

00:22:08.340 Yes, there is no, there is, that's never going to happen.

00:22:11.340 That's true. Thank God. Anyway, so we've platformed loads of people, and it's just like a great hits

00:22:17.140 of who's who across the right wing. And so basically what they're saying is, we're very,

00:22:23.540 very successful. We're very well connected with everyone. We've got loads of people on and

00:22:27.580 our production values are great. Brilliant. Congratulations. Yeah. And then they've got

00:22:31.640 a segment all about me, which I find really funny because normally they use a hideous

00:22:35.920 ancient picture, but I mean, this is still a five-year-old picture, but that's a pretty

00:22:39.080 good picture. I think it's great. I'm looking pretty handsome there, I think. Thanks very

00:22:44.940 much, Hope Not Hate. I love the quote above it. Since launching Loadseaters, Benjamin appears

00:22:48.640 to have been radicalized by his own platforms. I live in Swindon. I've watched it decay.

00:22:54.360 I've watched it get worse. Every day I go into the town center and it's worse than it

00:22:59.640 was the day before, right? That's what's radicalizing me. Just FYI, that's what's

00:23:03.740 making me very, very right wing. Just so you know. Anyway, we'll skip on a bit more because

00:23:09.760 there is some other things. They go into, well, I'll just summarize it. They did the Unite

00:23:14.360 the Kingdom rallies on Page 76, where they polled 8,000 people in January 2026 and found that

00:23:20.280 more than a quarter of them said they either went to the demonstration or they supported it

00:23:23.800 from afar. So surprisingly popular. And then it gets to page 86 where it's like terrorism

00:23:30.680 and it's just profiles of misfit weirdos. Then they think that this year is going to be

00:23:35.580 a year of expected protests. They go through anti-LGBT stuff, the pink ladies, conspiracy 0.83

00:23:39.960 theorists like David Ikes. They get finally to like Steve Laws and neo-Nazis. And on page

00:23:44.620 138, if we can go to that one, please. Samson, if we can get to page 138. They have

00:23:51.500 a profile on a friend of the show, which is always funny, not this guy. In the

00:23:58.380 Nazi section?

00:24:03.260 Nima? 0.51

00:24:03.580 Nima? Yes. The half-Iradian, half-Welsh, neo-Nazi. Not quite a Nazi, actually. In the profile Nazis,

00:24:11.420 fascists, and ethno-nationalists, you've got Nima Parvini.

00:24:14.220 So being an ethno-nationalist is the same as being a Nazi?

00:24:18.300 As far as they're concerned. What's the difference?

00:24:19.980 I mean, I have to say this. Being any kind of nationalist means that you love your own

00:24:26.700 people more than strangers. That is the healthy default setting for any normal human being.

00:24:31.980 And has been since the dawn of time.

00:24:34.940 So, okay. Thank you, I guess. Thanks for clearing that up.

00:24:39.420 The point is, as far as they're concerned, even AA is a Nazi. Then you've got just various others,

00:24:45.580 like Skildings. It's like, that's the organization that does the events that we do.

00:24:49.980 Basket Weavers. Like, what? These are not Nazi organizations.

00:24:54.860 Anyway, you've got, like, you know, some various things. You've got Millennial Woes.

00:24:59.420 That's a good picture they used for him as well. Like, Millennial Woes still gets a mention.

00:25:03.420 Well done, Woes. The Zoom historian. And like, you know, a new generation of agents. The torch is 0.99

00:25:10.700 being passed. Anyway, so this is, it's longer than usual as well. And you get to page 48,

00:25:18.300 which is their kind of conclusion. It could happen here, but it's not inevitable. But what's,

00:25:24.060 what it? What's it? And they say, well, when it came to choosing the title of this year's

00:25:28.940 state of hate report, we were stumped. How do we adequately express a far-right landscape that is

00:25:33.660 bigger, angry, and more extreme, better funded, and altogether more confident than ever before?

00:25:38.460 We landed on, it could happen here. Well, I assume that you mean a Nazi takeover is going 0.95

00:25:42.300 to happen and put people into death camps. Inspired by the phrase, it can't happen here,

00:25:47.740 often used in the US and Europe across the 1930s to derive the possibility of fascism and

00:25:51.500 totalitarianism coming to our shores. I mean, this just feels anachronistic, right?

00:25:55.180 Well, this just feels archaic. It's been like, oh yeah, the possibility of fascism coming to Britain.

00:26:02.220 We're so far away from that being a worry. The title can feel at worst hyperbolic.

00:26:08.620 Really, you think so? But we're in a moment that is not defined purely by how the far-right operates,

00:26:13.580 but how public opinion moves alongside it. Pessimism is bedding in. Our polling finds that 23% of Brits

00:26:21.500 think there will be a civil war in the next five years. There's a job for all of us at the moment,

00:26:26.060 whether you're reading this report as a hope-not-hate support or a community leader,

00:26:28.860 or even as a cabinet minister. I'm sure if you were a cabinet minister, you'd have better things

00:26:32.380 to do. I hope so. Anyway, this is remarkable compared to previous ones. So like, you can look

00:26:38.300 at this 2022 one and it's like, oh, things are, you know, give us money, obviously. But things are

00:26:46.460 like far smaller. Notice how it's, they're complaining about racism, everyday hatred,

00:26:52.620 or hate and harassment, transphobia, conspiracy theories. But it's not, it doesn't have the same

00:26:58.380 sort of, uh, genuine strain of fear that was running through it. Yes. Right. In 2022,

00:27:05.820 they felt like they had a handle on things. No, no, we call you a racist. We call you a Nazi.

00:27:10.780 That's it. That shuts you up. That locks you out of the conversation. And now there's this 0.99

00:27:14.460 gargantuan right-wing ecosphere. They're like, oh my God, we're surrounded. This is terrifying.

00:27:19.900 We're losing the fight is what hope-not-hate are saying to us. Must be how Keir Starmer feels,

00:27:24.860 right? Yes. It's precisely how Keir Starmer feels. He literally said after the United Kingdom rally,

00:27:30.140 that he thinks identity is going to be the conversation for the next election. And they're

00:27:33.900 on the wrong side of it, basically. But back to the word of racism or racist, people just don't care

00:27:38.940 if you call them, if you're called a racist, no one really cares. It's sort of like, you know,

00:27:42.940 debate me on my argument. Don't just put a label on me and trying to silence me. So I think, as you

00:27:47.900 said previously, labeling someone as a fascist or a Nazi worked, and now it doesn't work. They're

00:27:53.580 actually terrified. Yeah. Because all they have is semantics and ad hominem attacks. That's all they

00:28:00.140 have. But also, like I said with the boy who cried wolf, if you can include the spectator and the

00:28:04.060 telegraph in a report with neo-Nazi terrorists and Anders Breivik, I think that's maybe not the

00:28:10.460 most useful term, actually. Anyway, we'll leave that there. Sigil Stone says, congratulations,

00:28:16.460 Samson, for his honorable allusion. This year awards yes, producer Samson. Well done. Well done.

00:28:21.740 Amelia didn't make best animation because I think they're not as in touch as you think.

00:28:26.460 And binary says, regarding all the allegations being far right, it's call to action for others to do you

00:28:31.420 harm. It's financial, legal, social, and physical violence target list. Yeah, all of these things

00:28:36.300 is, they are literally like flares that they put on people. Say, look, you should be, you know,

00:28:41.420 Ofcom should go after you. That person should be de-platformed. But thankfully, the thing is just

00:28:45.820 too big and it's not working. So anyway, let's move on. All right. Let's talk about the transformation

00:28:54.060 of reform into the beauty party, really. And let's start with their latest defector, a councillor from

00:29:04.060 Labour who has now joined reform. And the first thing that he said to convince the British voters that

00:29:12.780 he is genuine is how much he loves immigration. And let's sort of listen to him for just one second,

00:29:19.500 please. Yeah, I know, but we should all suffer. Basically, anybody who is lawfully here who is

00:29:26.380 a British citizen is a British citizen. A British citizen is not determined. Britain's citizenship is not 0.57

00:29:33.340 determined by the colour of the skin or the name they use to worship God. Anybody. Now, technically,

00:29:40.140 I'm not a racist. I'm not a racist. I'm not. Okay, exactly. Technically, British citizenship has become 0.84

00:29:46.140 a random piece of paper given to anybody. I have one of those. I don't consider myself British because

00:29:51.900 I don't have British ancestry. And I think that actually being British does come from ancestry,

00:29:58.220 just as being Lebanese means that you must have Lebanese parents. That's why the Palestinians have 1.00

00:30:03.500 been in Lebanon for almost 100 years now. Nobody thinks that they're Lebanese. It is how the world

00:30:09.500 operates. But it's literally how the old world operates as well. Completely. As in, if you were 0.93

00:30:15.500 born elsewhere, but you have ancestry just by the blood, then, for example, in Pakistan, Bangladesh,

00:30:21.820 India, literally anywhere in Europe, every country in the old world does it through ancestry. Yes.

00:30:28.220 So if you're born elsewhere, you can just get citizenship there because you are ancestrally from there.

00:30:32.700 These are American-brained claims. Correct. It's correct. These are Americanisms

00:30:38.940 that don't actually apply to the rest of the world. Eagally don't apply. Exactly. And in, I mean,

00:30:44.620 I mentioned previously on another show, in Egypt, you must have ancestry in Egypt before 1914.

00:30:51.660 Just to clarify. Just to clarify. That's how it works. In India, it's from the 1970s onwards to the 1991.

00:31:01.420 In Pakistan, same thing. Ancestry is what governs it. So let's just sort of be honest about this and

00:31:08.940 move on, frankly. And also, just a quick thing there. The British government gives just citizenship

00:31:15.100 out to 250,000 people a year. Yes. That's not including other visas of like long-term stay.

00:31:21.420 Yeah. Actual citizenship. They just hand it out. Yeah. Yeah.

00:31:24.460 Quarter of a million a year against our will. No one wants that.

00:31:28.140 Well, I think on average every day, it's 739 citizenships every single day. And the top

00:31:34.860 three are obviously India, Nigeria, and Pakistan. And if you find yourself in an Indian or Pakistani

00:31:42.060 or Nigerian enclave, which is how people tend to operate, they go and live with people who are like

00:31:48.380 them. Just as expatriates, European expatriates in Africa, will end up in parts of African cities that

00:31:55.340 are predominantly Europeanized. Spain is a great example. Spain is a great example.

00:32:01.820 That means that you get a parallel community that has paperwork, but isn't actually part of the

00:32:10.060 family that is the nation. Because the nation is a family of families, and that's how it works.

00:32:14.700 And this is sort of harking to what Danny Kruger was saying, that somebody who is Afghan can be an heir 0.99

00:32:24.700 to Alfred the Great. Now, think about this for a second. If you grow up in an Afghan enclave, 1.00

00:32:31.900 speaking Pashtun, with all of your relatives around you speaking the same language,

00:32:37.740 you are in a parallel society. You're not actually joining the nation as a member of the family,

00:32:45.820 even as an adoptive member of the family, which is the civic nationalist claim.

00:32:49.900 So even on the broadest civic nationalist agenda, you actually have to join the family

00:32:55.820 to be part of the nation.

00:32:56.220 Yes. I mean, I could accept it if it's someone who moved 30 years ago and had lived in that

00:33:02.380 community for 30 years, running their Indian restaurant or something, and their kids married

00:33:06.220 some local English kids from the community. You'd be like, yeah, okay, fine. That's totally fine.

00:33:10.300 But what you're describing is what's actually happening in these areas, and it's not what I'm describing.

00:33:16.460 Exactly.

00:33:16.940 Exactly. So this kind of wetness is getting a bit tired. And please don't be afraid of hope, not hate.

00:33:24.860 They can call you anything they want. It doesn't really affect you very much.

00:33:28.300 It doesn't take a lot of your time.

00:33:29.420 It does affect you. Look at him. Look how afraid he is.

00:33:30.940 Yes. He looks terrified.

00:33:32.140 He looks terrified. He's like, look, I'm not racist. I'm not racist. I'm not racist.

00:33:34.860 I totally believe in the birthright citizenship of the propositional nation,

00:33:38.300 even though we're Britain and not America.

00:33:39.980 Which kind of implies why he's moving. He's switching parties because he thinks the Labour Party is going

00:33:47.260 to get absolutely hammered. His entire career is politics, so he wants to be on the winning side.

00:33:52.860 Yeah. And this is exactly why Lib Dems joined the Conservative Party, because that was the fastest

00:33:59.020 pathway to power. And so it is very transparent. We see through it. I'm just saying, as an outsider,

00:34:06.860 I see what's happening. That's all.

00:34:10.940 The rest of this clip is quite good, actually.

00:34:12.860 OK, let's go for it.

00:34:14.060 Everybody who is here legally is a British citizen and entitled to the full support of the British

00:34:20.540 state. Now, I actually am fairly sympathetic towards refugees, towards refugees, not to people 1.00

00:34:28.540 who are seeking a better life at the expense of people in Britain. That's a separate matter.

00:34:34.780 But no, I mean, I would like people to be part of one country, one community.

00:34:41.260 I, I delight.

00:34:43.260 They're not being part of one community.

00:34:45.500 No.

00:34:46.060 Now, now what?

00:34:47.020 I mean, this is like, now that we know that they're not, now what?

00:34:49.980 The definition of multiculturalism is literally not to be part of the same community.

00:34:54.620 Right, in the different colours in here, the different colours of people, the different cuisines,

00:35:00.380 the different clothing. That is...

00:35:03.740 Thanks, Piers Morgan.

00:35:04.860 OK, I want to stop here because diversity...

00:35:09.900 I love Indian curry. I love, I love going...

00:35:13.900 Diversity isn't about colour or food or clothing. Diversity means that you have different identities

00:35:23.340 and different value systems. You have different conceptions of who the us is

00:35:29.900 and different conceptions of what is good. That's what diversity means.

00:35:34.620 It's a recipe for conflict. That's what it is. Trust me, I'm Lebanese.

00:35:40.860 It's a recipe for conflict and it can only be governed well

00:35:45.180 if you have the iron fist that is exercised in Singapore or the UAE. It doesn't work in a democratic system.

00:35:53.660 You can have democracy. You can have diversity. If you have both, you end up like modern Iraq or modern Lebanon. 0.99

00:36:01.900 It's a stupid idea. Just sort of be clear. 0.99

00:36:05.340 He loves the food. He delights in the different colours of people.

00:36:08.460 I don't want to say something nasty. I'm trying to be nice, but I'm just going to sort of move on from that.

00:36:14.220 Yeah. So that's who the guy is and that's the extent of it.

00:36:19.420 Then we get Nigel Farage saying that they're not going to really change very much. Let's sort of...

00:36:27.820 Let's listen to this. Let's listen to this.

00:36:29.660 A couple more. Ellie Hodges, New Culture Forum.

00:36:36.780 Thank you. Nigel, how do you respond to critics who say that by bringing in former

00:36:41.580 conservative figures and Labour figures as well, you risk losing your identity as an

00:36:48.060 anti-establishment party and do you even want to be known as an anti-establishment party anymore?

00:36:53.420 And Sir Robin, you mentioned what you call indoctrination in schools. How exactly would you

00:36:58.060 deal with this when in reality you can't really police what teachers say in the classroom? Thank you.

00:37:04.380 We are anti-establishment in that we think they've led us into a terrible direction

00:37:08.620 and they're not able to face up to the consequences of what they've done.

00:37:11.900 Hence, Kemi, Keir, Britain isn't broken. It jolly well is. We know it and most of the public do.

00:37:17.980 But being anti-establishment doesn't mean you're just grenade chuckers for the sake of it.

00:37:23.180 You know, we're not standing in these elections to say, come on, let's stick two fingers up.

00:37:27.020 We're standing in these elections to try and bloom in win. And when you win,

00:37:32.300 there comes without a responsibility. I'll be honest with you, I wouldn't have the first clue

00:37:39.020 how to deal with social services and budgets in the London borough of Newham. I wouldn't have a clue.

00:37:48.620 It's not that hard.

00:37:51.900 These guys do. And I think that is of enormous value to our party.

00:37:57.100 So the whole claim is that the people who have run things to the ground should be in charge.

00:38:04.780 Well, they've got experience of running things into the ground.

00:38:06.620 That is fundamentally the argument. And the argument is that you should continue to have

00:38:14.060 massive spending on social services and you should continue to have a nanny state that interferes in

00:38:20.860 everything because otherwise people might do what they actually want to do.

00:38:27.100 But also, the whole thing is rather self-defeating anyway, right? As in, okay, well, where did he do

00:38:33.900 his apprentice on how to learn how to run the social services in Newham? Oh, he didn't do an

00:38:38.460 apprenticeship in that. He just got elected and then just got on with the job. Like every person who

00:38:43.420 is ever elected to any position, you are first elected, you do the job, you learn the job. And if

00:38:49.420 you're good at it, you succeed. And if you're not, you fail. So it's like, this is just how politics works.

00:38:55.260 I think my issue is when Nigel said, oh, I can't win, can I? As in, he's saying, oh, so now, so you

00:39:00.620 don't want conservative MPs joining, but now you don't want Labour. I can't win. That's the bit that

00:39:08.060 really got me. It's like, no, Nigel, we don't want conservatives or Labour. So your response of, oh,

00:39:14.140 I can't win. How about this? You just don't bring any of them in and we're supposed to be 0.96

00:39:18.780 anti-establishment and something new. You're literally reconstituting the establishment.

00:39:23.660 Yes. I mean, if you think about it, when the five original MPs, including James McMurdoch and

00:39:28.620 of course, Rupert Lowe, when they joined as reform, they were new MPs. And now he's just got rid of,

00:39:36.860 obviously, Rupert and James. And now he's brought in Jemrick and Kruger and Rossindale and Braverman.

00:39:43.900 So, yeah, I have no more words.

00:39:46.620 Not just that, the most inexperienced of the MPs is Rupert Lowe, because he hasn't been in politics.

00:39:53.820 And he's proven to be an excellent...

00:39:55.180 He was an MEP for the Brexit Party.

00:39:57.100 Right.

00:39:57.260 So he has some experience, but again, I mean, so what?

00:39:59.900 But, I mean, it's a different system entirely.

00:40:01.900 It is.

00:40:02.220 And it's a completely different set of operating principles. And so he turned out to be both an

00:40:07.340 excellent constituency MP, but also became kind of an expert on how to get information out of

00:40:15.340 various government departments and make them admit to their wrongdoing and hold them to account.

00:40:22.060 So the lack of experience here in the Westminster system didn't turn out to be quite as much of a

00:40:28.300 hindrance because the man is obviously talented and capable. And so what you want to think about is

00:40:33.740 talent and capability, not a record of failure in a failing public service.

00:40:37.420 But also, you just can't have a valid claim to being anti-establishment if you were literally

00:40:41.660 bringing in the architects of the problem on one side and the architects of the problem on the

00:40:47.340 other side and saying, right, I have a new party. No, this is not a new party.

00:40:50.940 Also, sorry, I should mention, of course, of the five, Lee Anderson was a former Tory, but that's

00:40:55.340 He was also a former Labour.

00:40:56.620 Yep.

00:40:57.100 Yeah. Yeah. I mean, the difference of Lee Anderson is he actually won the 2024 general

00:41:02.220 election as a reform candidate, whereas I feel the others, you know, they won as a conservative

00:41:06.940 and then they moved when they felt, OK, safest option.

00:41:10.140 Exactly. Exactly. So these are clearly, a lot of these are obviously careerist moves, fundamentally.

00:41:18.620 And then he says that, you know, we're not going to do anything about abortion.

00:41:21.980 We're not going to do anything that is...

00:41:23.340 Can we watch this? I saw this clip and I was just like, this is amazing.

00:41:25.980 I just wanted to ask about some comments that Danny Kruger made to the House magazine recently.

00:41:32.460 In an interview with our magazine, he said that reform could have a limited but important role

00:41:37.180 in undoing elements of the sexual revolution. I think he was specifically talking about

00:41:40.220 pro-natalist policy. But, I mean, you know, other elements of the sexual revolution include

00:41:46.860 abortion rights, contraception, LGBT rights. Can we expect any rolling back of any of these

00:41:53.020 areas under a reform government? No.

00:42:01.660 It's funny, but not for the reason he thinks. Exactly.

00:42:04.060 Like, good God. No, I'm completely committed to the Blairite maximal freedoms and number of

00:42:09.820 abortions per year that we get. I mean, remember, transgenderism was introduced to Britain because 0.77

00:42:14.300 there was an ECHR ruling about a bus driver who wanted to retire at the female age of 60.

00:42:22.220 Oh, smart.

00:42:24.060 And the authorities refused to grant him that, and so he sued, and he won his case at the ECHR.

00:42:33.980 And within a year, Labour had passed gender recognition certificates. Within a year.

00:42:39.340 But wasn't the joke on him because didn't they extend the retirement age for women to 65?

00:42:44.140 Right. Because that's what the WASPy women are complaining about, right? 1.00

00:42:47.900 Right. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:42:48.700 They've lost out on a bunch of pension money because they have to retire at 65.

00:42:52.700 He's dead now, but that was the whole story.

00:42:55.500 Origins.

00:42:55.900 That was the origin story of how it happened. And so the idea that you can't roll that back,

00:43:02.220 at least...

00:43:03.420 The ECHR has said.

00:43:04.620 I mean, Blair passed civil unions for homosexuals,

00:43:09.020 and then it was Cameron that made it civil marriage. The idea that you can't roll that back,

00:43:14.780 throw anything to conservative Christians...

00:43:17.420 You'll notice that Farrar has got absolutely no interest in actually changing anything.

00:43:23.100 Sorry, can we just watch the rest of this? Because it's interesting...

00:43:25.340 I believe in freedom of the individual, you know, on issues like abortion.

00:43:29.900 I don't think these things should ever be party political issues. It should be issues of conscience.

00:43:35.020 Danny is, you know, somebody of a very deep Christian faith.

00:43:38.620 There's nothing wrong with that. And he believes in what he believes in very strongly.

00:43:41.660 But that doesn't mean it's party policy. It doesn't mean we'd implement it directly.

00:43:45.260 And this is just like when... What's his name?

00:43:48.220 But no, no, think about that. He's a Christian, but there's nothing wrong with that. The joke

00:43:52.380 used to be, if you go back 20 years, he's gay, but there's nothing wrong with that.

00:43:55.660 Exactly.

00:43:56.220 Right. But now, being Christian has got the same sort of stigma as being gay did 30 years ago.

00:44:00.540 Yes.

00:44:00.860 Yes.

00:44:01.500 And that's the thing. And Nigel has just come out and said, I'm not a conservative.

00:44:06.460 No.

00:44:06.700 I am for the current feminist paradigm of unlimited abortions, maximal personal freedom.

00:44:12.780 I've got absolutely nothing in me that thinks, oh, actually, I mean, because for example,

00:44:17.500 on the topic of abortion, there is a structural problem with abortion, right? We are aborting

00:44:22.540 250,000 plus people a year. And the birth rate is down by a third. And that's literally a third of

00:44:30.700 the births. We have about 660,000 births a year. And if you add that all up, it gets to about a 2.1

00:44:36.620 replacement rate. And so this is a structural civilizational issue, right? 250,000 babies

00:44:43.100 are murdered before they get the chance at life. And Farage is just like, I have not a single

00:44:47.900 thought on this. And so what's he done here? He's shown, I know I'm committed to complete

00:44:51.500 the Blairism, but also I'm openly counter signaling one of the Tory defectors who is clearly too right

00:44:58.220 wing for me. He is far too right wing for me. Well, I'm bringing the labor guys. What are you

00:45:03.420 talking about? What's he doing here? Yeah, there was a reason they were in opposite parties to begin

00:45:07.340 with, Nigel. Exactly. Like, this is really stupid, man. Like, you look terrible. Kruger must have been

00:45:12.540 seething over this. I mean, I couldn't be any part of anything that says abortion is good.

00:45:20.220 That's just sort of... Even then, just to be like, oh, this isn't a party political issue. No,

00:45:24.700 then why did labor crank it up so much? Exactly. Why were they so excited about it? If it's not a party,

00:45:30.700 it is 90. Why did they introduce abortion until birth if that wasn't... And this was such a new

00:45:35.500 thing. I mean, I remember the argument being abortion being safe and rare. The Hillary Clinton

00:45:41.340 argument. Exactly. The 90s, yeah. But no, not anymore now. And then you have the other stuff.

00:45:50.300 For the sake of time, we're going to have to go through this fairly quickly. Okay, so we have

00:45:54.060 Robert Jenrick asking George Osborne to approve his economic policies. Jenrick says that he sent that to

00:46:00.620 40 people, and Osborne is one of them. If you support Osborne's economics, and you want his approval,

00:46:08.380 that's the problem. Yes. Let alone not getting rid of the OBR. We're against the establishment, guys.

00:46:13.020 Exactly. Let alone not getting rid of the OBR, which is David Cameron or Gordon Brown.

00:46:18.060 Maintaining the independence of the Bank of England. Et cetera, et cetera.

00:46:20.700 Any Blair. All of this stuff. Yep.

00:46:22.540 All of this stuff. But then you get some of the sorted stuff, where Jenrick, when he was housing

00:46:28.140 minister, ended up going over the heads of the Tower Hamlets Council. Now, given that it's Tower

00:46:34.380 Hamlets, screw them, you know. But he did go over their heads to make sure that one of his billionaire

00:46:41.020 friends could get his own development approved and not have to pay 45 million pounds in tax on a

00:46:50.620 1 billion pound development. It's really interesting, because I bet that 1 billion pound development

00:46:55.180 gets a lot of social housing in it. Well, the issue was that he didn't have enough social housing.

00:46:59.580 Ah. And that exception was given to Richard Desmond, who, among other stops in his long and storied

00:47:06.380 career, works as a pornographer. Yeah. And anybody who is associated with billionaire

00:47:13.980 pornographers, you shouldn't be friends with them. I understand Christ breaking bread with the tax

00:47:21.500 collectors and all of that. It's a different context. If you're helping them cheat the tax system,

00:47:28.060 that's different. And he accepted that it was illegal and had to back down and apologize,

00:47:34.300 but only because he got caught. Oh yeah. Jemrick accepted that the project was unlawful.

00:47:40.860 Yes. Okay. Well, there we go. So, but only because he got caught. Yeah.

00:47:45.260 And he tried to save him a billion pounds. And this particular, sorry, 45 million pounds. And this

00:47:52.060 particular Richard Desmond is in the middle of suing the National Lottery because he lost a bid to get

00:47:59.020 their contract for distributing lottery tickets. And he's trying to claim, I think, a billion pounds

00:48:07.660 from them. Jesus. But somehow this guy, the ex-pornographer, had government lawyers release to

00:48:16.700 his lawyers their entire legal case. It's an unprecedented blunder.

00:48:23.500 That's what they call it. They say that it's an unprecedented blunder. How did that email get

00:48:29.820 sent to you? With 4,000 documents, meaning that it wasn't one email. And people like that are shady,

00:48:38.380 as are all pornographers. This is business as usual. 0.95

00:48:40.940 And this is business as usual, catering to the rich. And this is to sort of, you know,

00:48:46.620 not to mention Nadeem Zahawi and his involvement with the Kurds.

00:48:51.260 And what a weird choice.

00:48:52.780 Yeah, I think this really affected Nadeem's popularity.

00:48:56.060 It really showed, exactly. It really showed that this guy is, you know, this is the establishment.

00:49:05.580 This is a connection to, I mean, this is an article casting shade on Zahawi on the UAE when they were

00:49:10.860 angry with him. But he's sort of close to them. And that's his claim to fame. And having seen the role

00:49:18.780 of the UAE in the Epstein files, I'm not comfortable with it, really. And then you get the foreign policy

00:49:26.460 bits. And you get Alan Mendoza, husband of the JLC chief, whatever, Mendoza.

00:49:35.740 But look in there with bloody Ian Duncan Smith and whatnot.

00:49:40.300 Again, this is just the old Tory establishment.

00:49:42.380 Exactly, exactly. And this guy, essentially, he is the neocon of the neocons. He runs the Henry

00:49:50.700 Jackson Society. And if you look at the website of the Henry Jackson Society and what they're

00:49:55.420 advocating for the Middle East, they're defending everything Israel is doing in Gaza. They are saying

00:50:02.140 that we should get rid of Iran. He went as far as to advocate for regime change in Pakistan,

00:50:09.180 for God's sake.

00:50:09.820 Well, let's hear him out.

00:50:12.860 He wanted democracy in Pakistan.

00:50:14.940 Oh, right. Okay. Yeah, fair enough.

00:50:16.620 I mean, if you look at the survey poll of what Pakistanis think about Sharia law,

00:50:22.940 firstly, you'd shut down all immigration from Pakistan. Secondly, you'd realize that democracy

00:50:28.220 in Pakistan is a bad idea. Well, it's just a fiction. 0.68

00:50:32.300 And he was in favor of the West staying in Afghanistan.

00:50:37.900 Because he said that, no, no, no, it wasn't a big commitment. We should stay in Afghanistan, 1.00

00:50:42.460 and keep it stable.

00:50:44.540 Weirdly, it seems quite stable under the Taliban.

00:50:46.940 Oddly enough. Whereas Alan Mendoza, who is now the main foreign policy advisor to Nigel Farage,

00:50:54.860 and he is a dyed-in-the-wool neocon, he thinks, no, no, no, stay in Afghanistan.

00:51:01.020 If this isn't reconstituting the Uni Party, I don't know what is.

00:51:05.340 Yeah. I mean, what else would there need to be?

00:51:08.060 And then you have Zia Yusuf, and what his own employees say about him,

00:51:13.500 that basically abrupt, horrible, inappropriate behavior, all kinds of things.

00:51:19.660 This is what his employees have been saying for quite a while.

00:51:21.420 Exactly. But let's take a moment and see what Zia Yusuf thought about Robert Jenrick.

00:51:30.300 And also, this was just one month before Jenrick...

00:51:33.100 Defected.

00:51:33.660 ...defected, yeah.

00:51:34.620 Presumably, while he would have been in talks about defecting.

00:51:38.620 Well, I mean, he got kind of shafted in the Conservatives, didn't he?

00:51:42.780 Yeah.

00:51:43.180 So it was a bit of a surprise to everyone, it seemed.

00:51:45.660 Yep.

00:51:46.060 So I don't know if they were in talks. I'd be surprised if they actually were.

00:51:49.340 Maybe. Maybe. But he's blaming Jenrick for the super injunction on the Afghan settlement scheme.

00:51:57.740 Correct.

00:51:58.060 Correct. He is pointing out that both Jenrick and Suella Braverman,

00:52:03.660 because of what they knew and because of parliamentary privilege, could have said,

00:52:08.220 this is what's happening with the Afghan resettlement scheme, and it's a bad idea.

00:52:11.980 But didn't Jenrick get the injunction?

00:52:14.220 He did.

00:52:14.540 He did.

00:52:15.340 So why would he do that?

00:52:16.780 Well, clearly, Zia is pointing out that Robert Jenrick is a liar about this whole stuff.

00:52:25.100 He goes on about how, you know, they were completely bankrupt. And then he says,

00:52:34.620 he blames Jenrick as immigration minister for getting in Alaa Abdel Fattah, who was the guy.

00:52:41.340 You said he's correct about all of this.

00:52:42.540 Exactly. But more importantly.

00:52:47.980 Yeah, that was Nadine Doris, wasn't it?

00:52:50.060 That was Nadine Doris.

00:52:51.580 But more importantly, he says that Jenrick was all the time saying to the Tory wets that he is pretending

00:53:00.940 to be right wing in order to then reach government and pivot to the center.

00:53:08.060 That was the accusation by Zia. And he was saying that he was plotting this ploy with George Osborne

00:53:18.060 and David Cameron. And this is on Zia's Twitter feed.

00:53:22.460 You can imagine how comfortable it must be in the reform party meetings.

00:53:26.060 And then now you have Robert Jenrick confirming that he's working with George Osborne because

00:53:31.660 he's sending him his economic policy. So what Nigel has done is really rebuilt the Uniparty.

00:53:37.260 But also it can't last.

00:53:39.020 And it's in its worst elements. Not only can it, like it's the worst elements of it.

00:53:43.420 It's the corruption. It's the arrogance. It's the neoconservatism.

00:53:49.820 It's the extreme liberalism, which comes directly from Farage himself.

00:53:56.700 And it's counter signaling anybody who disagrees.

00:53:59.660 When Matt Goodwin sort of said something slightly based, David Bull came and slapped him down.

00:54:05.420 Instantly. The complete opposite.

00:54:07.020 The day after the election.

00:54:07.980 Exactly.

00:54:08.460 Literally, you've just lost, but I'm going to rub it in your face by literally counter signaling you in

00:54:11.740 the exact opposite. No, being British isn't about your heritage.

00:54:15.020 It's just about this piece of paper.

00:54:16.460 It's like, okay, so what are you doing?

00:54:19.500 How can this coalition last?

00:54:21.820 That's the question. And I just don't think it can.

00:54:23.980 And how can you convince voters that you're not the Uniparty? 0.79

00:54:26.460 Yeah, we're not the establishment.

00:54:27.660 We just have all of the people from the establishment standing behind me.

00:54:30.140 Exactly.

00:54:30.620 It's a different shade of blue, you know, turquoise.

00:54:34.940 Anyway, for the sake of time, we're gonna have to move on.

00:54:37.340 But right, let's talk about how non-stunned slaughter is actually atrocious.

00:54:42.060 So did you write a piece on this recently?

00:54:44.620 I did. Published 3rd of March. Yes.

00:54:48.540 A couple of days ago.

00:54:49.820 So, yeah, it's not just non-stunned slaughter.

00:54:53.500 It's all religious slaughter in the UK, including what they would class as stun. 0.99

00:54:58.460 So we have obviously halal and kosher.

00:55:01.420 So just to talk about kosher first, because that's a smaller topic than halal.

00:55:06.380 So kosher, there is zero stunning involved, which means that the animal is killed quite

00:55:13.420 brutally with a knife, left to bleed to death without, well, fully conscious, essentially.

00:55:20.140 So it's left to suffer.

00:55:21.260 Now, the issue I have with kosher is that a lot of the Jewish community will say that kosher

00:55:27.980 is only consumed by the Jews. 0.99

00:55:30.220 But there is a thing called the, if we scroll down, it's called the hind end.

00:55:39.340 Let's just go down a little bit more.

00:55:41.180 But basically, part of the Jewish food, the kosher food that is, there, stop, sorry.

00:55:47.740 Yep.

00:55:48.860 So the hind quarters, the rear ends of kosher meat.

00:55:51.420 There's a map.

00:55:52.140 Oh, thank you.

00:55:53.180 It actually goes into the main meat industry.

00:55:57.740 So while they say, oh, kosher doesn't, isn't sold beyond us, it actually is.

00:56:01.900 It gets sold into the traditional market.

00:56:03.980 But I do accept that.

00:56:05.180 This happens with halal as well, doesn't it?

00:56:06.860 Oh, well, halal is a whole other, whole other ballgame. 1.00

00:56:09.180 Yeah.

00:56:09.420 So kosher is typically remain quite small and typically consumed just by the Jewish community.

00:56:15.340 But the issue I have, so if we go up to our legislation.

00:56:20.380 So this author of the Animals Act of 1933 states that animals should be stunned and insensible

00:56:29.020 to pain.

00:56:29.980 And that's why animals, this traditional British method is that they are completely unconscious

00:56:36.860 at the time of death so that they don't experience any pain.

00:56:40.220 However, however, there are two religious exemptions.

00:56:43.100 If we look here, there is one that says, you know, by the Jewish method for the food of Jews

00:56:47.980 and Baidu, and the same for the Mohammedans. And the key part here is where it says,

00:56:54.060 and for the food of Mohammedans. So essentially, this religious exemption is only for the food

00:57:00.700 of Mohammedans. 0.89

00:57:01.500 Essentially, we're not allowed to eat it.

00:57:03.020 Exactly. So legally, it's actually, you could interpret that to say,

00:57:07.180 legally, only Muslims can eat halal. And anyone who's not Muslim, it's illegal because it bypasses 1.00

00:57:13.020 that religious exemption.

00:57:13.980 So if I go and get a kebab, I'm breaking the law.

00:57:16.380 Yes. But the issue is this law isn't enforced and it's not observed.

00:57:20.620 So one major issue I have is that 72 to 80% of all lamb in the UK is halal, slaughtered. 1.00

00:57:31.500 So, and 20 to 30% of all chicken is also halal. Yet, they claim that the Muslim population is only

00:57:38.060 6.5% when we know it's a lot more than that. But there's no way that it justifies 72% to 80%

00:57:45.500 of all sheep being slaughtered in the halal method. So number one is this, this idea of what I call

00:57:52.300 the silent Islamification of the British meat industry. It's happened covertly without anyone's

00:57:59.260 knowledge. And the reason that it's without knowledge is because there's a lack of labeling.

00:58:03.820 So yes, supermarkets do have a section that will say halal, but other meat will also be halal or

00:58:10.860 related to a halal slaughterhouse or processing facility. And the only way you can sort of

00:58:17.580 tell is there's a four digit code on the packet meat packaging, which will say GB, for example,

00:58:23.500 GB 6057. And you can Google that and see if it comes from a halal facility. 0.96

00:58:29.580 Without doing that, you wouldn't know if it's halal or not. So there's been cases even with 0.95

00:58:33.180 Waitrose organic duchy range, which is, which is halal certified.

00:58:38.700 Because I'm sure that's exactly what the Lib Dems who vote, who buy from Waitrose want.

00:58:44.860 Sorry, I want to interrupt you here for a second. To get halal certification,

00:58:50.300 you need to pay one of these various religious bodies. And that ends up financing the mosques, 0.93

00:58:59.340 the extremist religious scholars, perhaps elements of the Muslim Brotherhood, various extremely

00:59:07.180 conservative Muslims, who are fundamentally at odds with everything that the West stands for, 1.00

00:59:13.100 and are at odds with Christianity and Christendom. They are the ones who get paid in order to certify 0.92

00:59:21.340 that the meat has been properly slaughtered in an Islamic way. So there's to get that certification,

00:59:26.860 you have to pay these bodies that say this is indeed halal, because you're not allowed to just say

00:59:32.300 that it is. It has to be certified and perhaps inspected. And so part of doing that is financing

00:59:41.020 these extreme bodies. When you tolerate halal in slaughter, you also finance these bodies. 1.00

00:59:47.740 Yeah, no, that's awful. So this part wasn't actually published in my article. But essentially,

00:59:55.740 the issue with halal is that it is rooted in Sharia law derived from the Quran. And the animal at the 1.00

01:00:02.220 time of slaughter has to have its head facing in the direction of Mecca. And the slaughterman,

01:00:09.500 who will have to be a Muslim, he says, bismillah ala ala qaba. So essentially, people, British people 0.60

01:00:18.060 are eating this meat, which is, you know, Sharia law from the Quran, Mecca, blah, blah, blah. And they 0.97

01:00:24.700 have no idea that they're eating it. So aside from the atrocious animal welfare abuse, they're eating

01:00:30.620 religiously sorted meat in the name of Allah. So even if you are a Christian atheist or other religion, 0.55

01:00:36.700 why would you want to be eating a religiously sorted meat for Allah? 1.00

01:00:42.620 I mean, question. There's a couple of things here. Firstly, if you want to pray before you kill an

01:00:49.900 animal, do it. But do it in the most humane way. Do the killing itself in the most humane way possible.

01:00:55.900 Fair enough. You should be grateful for what you're provided for, including meat. But secondly, 0.99

01:01:01.820 it means that everybody who's employed at a slaughterhouse has to be a Muslim. 0.50

01:01:06.060 Yeah.

01:01:06.780 And that becomes a source of patronage.

01:01:08.860 Yes.

01:01:09.260 And that becomes a source of nepotism that then encourages people to get acclimatized

01:01:16.700 to this sort of brutal slaughter. And they end up potentially doing other things.

01:01:23.740 And also, if you're on the left, this is a function of capitalism. Because if you're the

01:01:27.420 capitalist, you're like, well, look, if some need halal and some need extra strange interventions,

01:01:33.340 why don't we just do them all in halal and then just sell them? Who cares? 1.00

01:01:36.700 That's what's happening.

01:01:37.580 And that's what's happening.

01:01:38.780 Yeah, exactly.

01:01:39.740 Yeah. So if we look at this example, so in public institutions, often halal meat is the only meat

01:01:45.340 that's served. So Rupert Lowe did some-

01:01:47.580 Just for convenience.

01:01:48.460 Yes, just for convenience. So Rupert Lowe found that in a hospital in Great Yarmouth,

01:01:53.420 his constituency, they were only serving halal meat. And there's another school,

01:01:58.300 there's a school in Reading called the St. John's Church of England Primary School in Reading,

01:02:03.980 which was only serving halal meat. And this is literally a Church of England school,

01:02:08.220 only serving halal meat to children. And the parents were completely unaware. The students,

01:02:12.540 of course, didn't know until an investigation was done. And these are just two examples,

01:02:16.700 but it's happening up and down the country, which is why I call it the silent Islamification 0.99

01:02:22.060 of the British meat industry. And as you say, it's for convenience rather than having halal meat,

01:02:27.260 traditional meat, et cetera, et cetera. But why should we pander to these

01:02:31.660 religious exemptions when it's an imported religion anyway?

01:02:35.180 And why should low-skilled jobs at slaughterhouses be going to migrants? 1.00

01:02:40.300 Yeah.

01:02:41.260 I mean, here's another route for immigration. Wanted, skilled slaughterer. 1.00

01:02:46.380 Also, I kind of hate the metaphysical aspect of it as well, because like you say,

01:02:50.780 if you're a Muslim and you hear, oh, well, basically, you know, all the meat in Britain is halal meat,

01:02:55.740 apart from pork, then why wouldn't I consider that to be an Islamic country?

01:03:00.700 Yes.

01:03:01.100 Yeah.

01:03:01.340 Why wouldn't I consider that to be the case?

01:03:03.420 It's an invitation, right?

01:03:04.380 And as you say, does the average liberal Democrat who thinks of themselves a good person,

01:03:07.660 do they know that they are consuming meat that has been butchered in the most barbarous ways?

01:03:13.260 Yes.

01:03:13.740 And not following the standards that you think you're following.

01:03:16.780 Exactly.

01:03:17.100 There's a deception that underpins it all as well.

01:03:19.740 Yeah.

01:03:19.820 So this is awful.

01:03:21.020 I mean, as I've written here, when the animals are left to bleed to death, it can last, well,

01:03:27.100 between 20 seconds to two minutes, but for larger animals, it can take longer.

01:03:30.860 And many countries across Europe have already banned non-sun slaughter, Denmark, Sweden,

01:03:34.940 Norway, et cetera.

01:03:36.060 And I write that Britain is late to the club because this is a completely ethical issue

01:03:41.020 and a very moral issue that, you know, currently we have over 30 million animals every year

01:03:46.780 that are slaughtered without any stunning.

01:03:50.140 So how can a Lib Dem or anyone support that?

01:03:53.420 Because it should just be against anyone's people. 1.00

01:03:56.380 It's hypocritical, right? 0.98

01:03:57.020 It's completely hypocritical. 0.98

01:03:58.460 I'll tell you a story. 0.74

01:04:00.060 When Syrian, quote unquote, refugees began arriving in Germany, they initially were a bit surprised.

01:04:08.380 Where are we now?

01:04:09.340 Okay.

01:04:09.900 New environment.

01:04:11.100 Then the first thing was they got organized and they said to the people hosting them in a camp at the time,

01:04:18.620 we want halal meat.

01:04:20.620 And the Germans tripped all over themselves, trying to make sure that they could provide for them halal meat.

01:04:25.340 But then they knew that the Germans were soft and they knew that they could keep on asking for things 0.99

01:04:33.260 and escalating their demands and asking for more and more.

01:04:36.540 And it is used often as a test of your own commitment and your own firmness and your own ability to say no.

01:04:46.140 And it is psychological manipulation because if you don't concede this point,

01:04:52.700 you're going to be accused of being Islamophobic.

01:04:55.260 But if you do concede, it is revealed to them that you're weak. 0.71

01:04:58.380 Yes.

01:04:58.860 So they manipulate this thing very effectively.

01:05:02.380 And if a school says, yes, we will give you halal meat, they will know that they can ask anything else they want from the school

01:05:10.700 or a hospital or a government body or so on and so forth.

01:05:14.140 So it becomes a pass for them to blackmail you on anything and demand anything.

01:05:21.180 First halal meat, then prayer rooms, then special treatment, then holidays, then, then, then. 0.83

01:05:27.580 Next thing you know, the country is fully Islamified. 1.00

01:05:29.900 And moreover, why would you say no at any point since you've given a yes at every point so far?

01:05:34.700 Exactly.

01:05:35.180 What's the argument?

01:05:35.820 Exactly.

01:05:36.460 You know, I've seen a bunch of videos of Muslims going into Wetherspoons and asking them,

01:05:40.860 is anything on the menu halal?

01:05:41.900 And they're like, no.

01:05:42.780 Yeah, what do they say?

01:05:44.140 Pork sausages might be, I don't know.

01:05:45.420 It's sort of like, you know, we always, there's this thing that we often say, which is there are over 50

01:05:50.620 Muslim countries.

01:05:51.580 So if they want to have, you know, their food, their way, their culture, they are welcome to leave 1.00

01:05:56.620 and go and live in those countries.

01:05:57.740 They shouldn't, why would you come to a country and try to fundamentally change it?

01:06:01.820 Because this country has a 350 billion pound a year welfare state.

01:06:07.100 There you go.

01:06:07.820 That's the reason.

01:06:08.540 So that's the answer.

01:06:09.500 For Christ's sake.

01:06:11.260 But also because they believe that them conquering you is good for you.

01:06:16.300 They believe that you being made to submit to Allah is good for you. 1.00

01:06:20.300 But even those ones who are not like actively religious, it doesn't matter.

01:06:24.220 You know, they're just like, well, you're going to give me money.

01:06:26.140 And if you concede to all of these demands and I get all of your free money, why wouldn't I do that?

01:06:30.940 The incentive is that.

01:06:31.980 I mean, our welfare budget is like twice the size of Tunisia's economy.

01:06:36.140 So it's just, you know, what do we expect?

01:06:39.020 All the bigger, you know?

01:06:39.980 Yeah, I just want to clear up some misinformation around halal meat because this one is okay.

01:06:47.900 This makes me very angry.

01:06:48.940 So a lot of people will say, oh, but 88% of all halal meat is stunned.

01:06:53.580 So it's okay.

01:06:54.380 It's like, actually, no, the definition of their stunning is not the definition of our stunning.

01:07:00.140 Really?

01:07:00.620 Yeah.

01:07:01.100 So typical, so halal meat, it's their form of stunning is called reversible stunning, 1.00

01:07:08.140 which means that the animal must be able to regain consciousness.

01:07:12.220 So whereas traditional British meat, the animal has like a bolt to the head.

01:07:17.660 It's unconscious and that's it.

01:07:19.900 The halal meat, the animals can regain consciousness. 1.00

01:07:23.420 And it's all to do with the fact that when the animal is killed in the name of Allah, 0.65

01:07:27.500 it has to be conscious at the time it's killed so that it's sanctified.

01:07:33.100 And essentially, so this is what I've written here.

01:07:35.500 It's a low voltage electrical current, which causes an epileptic seizure, reversible stunning.

01:07:43.420 So it's actually not fully unconscious, obviously, because it has to be awake for the name of Allah.

01:07:48.940 It's been electrocuted, but that doesn't mean it's unconscious.

01:07:51.180 So that's what's really important.

01:07:52.780 If there's one thing I want people to understand is that when they say to you,

01:07:55.980 oh, but 88% of halal meat is stunned, it's actually not.

01:07:59.100 It's a lie.

01:07:59.980 Let me help you with that analogy.

01:08:01.900 If you taser someone that is stunned, but they'll still feel it if you break every bone in their body 0.98

01:08:09.660 or cut their throat. 0.98

01:08:11.820 Yeah.

01:08:12.220 So the animal still feels that it's been, that it's had its head cut and it's being left to bleed.

01:08:20.060 Yeah.

01:08:20.300 So, and the requirement is for it to bleed fully, meaning that the heart must be pumping,

01:08:26.700 meaning that it must be alive and able to feel.

01:08:30.460 So 88% is stunned is a complete lie.

01:08:35.340 It's a complete lie.

01:08:36.940 The animal is probably feeling the pain in most cases.

01:08:41.100 So the, because I mean, what we're saying is unconscious and the, the, the use of the word

01:08:45.740 stun, okay, it's got multiple meanings and they're using a, well, it can't physically

01:08:50.700 move at this moment.

01:08:51.740 It's like, yeah, but that doesn't mean it's unconscious.

01:08:53.180 And that doesn't mean it doesn't feel pain.

01:08:54.540 Exactly.

01:08:55.020 It didn't have a bolt to the brain, for example.

01:08:56.860 But anyway.

01:08:57.340 Yeah.

01:08:57.820 So the issue of halal is, so number one, as we've discussed is the legal issue.

01:09:01.660 It's actually illegal to eat it if you, if you interpret the law as it, as it was initially

01:09:06.620 written.

01:09:07.500 Number two, we have this silent Islamification of the British meat industry.

01:09:11.740 And when this law was written in 1933, the Muslim population was around 10,000 people.

01:09:17.340 Um, and now it's officially by as of 2021, it was 3.9 million Muslims in this country.

01:09:24.540 But of course, over the last five years, we know that it's grown a lot.

01:09:28.620 Um, and the top five illegal migrant, the illegal migrants, they come from the top five countries

01:09:33.900 are all, um, Muslim countries.

01:09:35.660 So we've got mass migration legally and illegally from Muslim countries contributing to this.

01:09:41.500 So yeah, we've got the legal issue, then we've got the animal welfare issue.

01:09:45.580 We also have this lack of consent because consumers are eating it without their knowledge,

01:09:50.860 without their consent, there's not enough labeling.

01:09:52.860 And so I'm actually quite pleased that Esther McVeigh, she launched a bill on the 24th of February

01:10:00.220 to introduce compulsory labeling of halal and kosher.

01:10:04.460 And as I've argued in the top paragraph, um, this is likely as far as we will go under a

01:10:11.180 Labour government.

01:10:11.980 I don't think they will ban it, but as long as it's fully labeled, and I mean everything,

01:10:17.420 even if there is a ready, make a choice.

01:10:19.660 Yeah, then you can make a choice.

01:10:21.020 Um, and then of course, if Rupert Lowe and Restore Britain come in, they would ban it.

01:10:25.740 But the main thing is also banning imports, because why would we just offshore a barbaric 1.00

01:10:30.620 practice and then allow it to be imported in? It should be...

01:10:34.380 They'd make arguments about it being punitive rather than actually based in animal welfare,

01:10:38.940 then, because those animals are still being killed overseas. So unless you're going to go

01:10:43.500 over there and stop killing those animals, um, then you consent to it anyway, right?

01:10:47.740 So the fact that you prevent imports, they'd say, well, that's now a punitive way of targeting

01:10:51.740 the Muslim and Jewish communities rather than actually being focused on animal welfare.

01:10:54.860 So that, that'll be the argument that they'll make.

01:10:56.700 Uh, and honestly, it will be persuasive to some people. So I personally wouldn't worry

01:11:01.580 about the import question because, you know, those animals probably getting slaughtered anyway.

01:11:05.420 Uh, but just to have the dominion of the British Isles say there won't be that here,

01:11:10.380 I think, I think that's probably going to be incentive enough.

01:11:13.100 Yeah, and I think also focusing on the fact that you're funding extremists

01:11:18.540 by tolerating halal slaughter, and that you are creating a patronage network for Muslims 0.93

01:11:27.260 by allowing halal slaughter are actually strong arguments that you're basically saying to people,

01:11:33.020 we're going to pay for your replacement, and we're going to finance the extremists, 0.72

01:11:36.860 and you're going to pay for the privilege of eating the meat they provide you with.

01:11:41.020 Exactly.

01:11:41.340 And you're going to eat it under a deception. You don't know what that is.

01:11:45.580 It's literally religiously sanctified. I mean, you know, if you're not a Muslim,

01:11:49.340 if you're a Christian, you're opposed to Islam, and you're also opposed to animal suffering. 0.71

01:11:52.860 This is metaphysically corrupted meat.

01:11:55.580 Yes.

01:11:55.740 Right? That is, like, you are bringing into your body an evil.

01:11:59.820 Yes.

01:12:00.460 That's what you have to know that you're doing. I mean, I don't want to eat things I think,

01:12:04.380 like, created through evil, which is why I'm having pork this Sunday.

01:12:09.180 Yeah. I often, I do think it is...

01:12:11.500 I love pork anyway, but you know.

01:12:12.620 I do think it is evil. I genuinely do, I think.

01:12:15.340 Yeah, it is.

01:12:16.140 And the way, if we go down here, so the other issue is not just that it's insanely cruel and barbaric,

01:12:23.660 but the actual slaughterhouses, 53% of all non-stunned slaughterhouses failed inspections,

01:12:31.420 68% have major hygiene issues. And we've seen on CCTV cameras, the staff members, who,

01:12:38.540 of course, are all Muslims in the Halal abattoirs, are severely abusing the animals. 1.00

01:12:43.820 I've given a couple of examples, but as we were discussing before, they might play 0.95

01:12:48.540 noise, a wolf.

01:12:49.420 Wolf sounds.

01:12:50.140 Yeah, to scare the sheep. Yeah, and they have been seen kicking the animals and taunting them,

01:12:56.140 and we just don't stand for that in this country. So why would you, even if it wasn't religious,

01:13:01.820 it's the way that they treat the animals and the hygiene issues.

01:13:05.420 There are so many practical issues, then there are moral issues, and you know, it just doesn't

01:13:10.460 stop, does it?

01:13:11.260 It is. And even if you hunt, you want to kill the animal as quickly as you can. 0.97

01:13:15.660 Yeah.

01:13:16.220 And the whole argument that, no, it must be left to bleed to death, 1.00

01:13:20.700 that's just a stupid argument. 1.00

01:13:22.140 Yeah, why? 1.00

01:13:22.780 Exactly.

01:13:23.900 Just an arbitrary dictate from the 7th century.

01:13:27.020 Yeah.

01:13:27.420 It's obscene. It's obscene.

01:13:31.820 The thing is, I think the main, I think you hit the point really well,

01:13:35.260 is that we keep bending over and saying, yes, yes, yes, and they will keep pushing us.

01:13:39.660 Oh, sorry.

01:13:41.340 And so, you know, we have to say no.

01:13:43.420 And I think that's what Rupert Lowe is saying with Restore Britain.

01:13:46.220 It's like, no, this is our country, we're going to take it back.

01:13:49.180 Yes.

01:13:49.580 That's what it is to create a hostile environment.

01:13:52.060 That you will not get any compromises.

01:13:55.100 You will not get any exceptions.

01:13:57.340 The law is the law.

01:13:58.540 You can obey it or you can leave.

01:14:00.380 Yeah.

01:14:00.780 It is that simple.

01:14:02.780 Correct.

01:14:03.340 But I think, yeah, I think the main first step is to sort of support this labeling.

01:14:07.420 And as you say, at least they get a choice as to what you're eating.

01:14:10.940 And then hopefully we can push a bit further.

01:14:12.860 But I think, yeah, on the moral ground of this is just, it's just inexcusable.

01:14:18.620 And as I say, all these countries listed here have already banned non-stand sorter.

01:14:23.020 So why haven't we?

01:14:24.620 On the plus side, if you're watching and thinking, okay, what can I do now?

01:14:27.260 Well, A, you can eat pork, which you know isn't halal, but also beef tends not to be,

01:14:31.980 because they're not a big, not tend to be beef eaters in the deserts.

01:14:37.180 Because deserts don't really support cows very well.

01:14:39.260 So most of your British born and Irish born beef and pork will be fine.

01:14:45.260 I think also it's sort of doing what Rupert did, which was going to a public institution,

01:14:49.580 like a hospital or a school and saying, you know, what are you serving me?

01:14:53.580 Yeah.

01:14:53.900 And then, then you can start to call for action there.

01:14:56.300 I think we all have a part to play.

01:14:58.620 Of course, we are failed by our government, failed by our authorities,

01:15:02.780 because as we know legally, they're not allowed to be serving it to us.

01:15:06.860 So yeah, it's taking action on an individual level as well.

01:15:10.300 Also, another great thing to do on an individual level is go to your local farm shop.

01:15:14.460 My wife actually went to a local farm shop, cost the earth, but my God, was it good.

01:15:19.180 And I know that it wasn't halal slaughtered. 0.75

01:15:20.940 So there's that too.

01:15:23.020 Right.

01:15:23.180 Let's, let's go through a bunch of comments.

01:15:24.780 Sorry, can I have a message back?

01:15:25.900 Virtual Commerce says, look, loads of people have got a lot to say on all of this.

01:15:29.660 What's the official statement from PTUK on this?

01:15:33.500 As in, PTUK, the Protection of Animals organization.

01:15:36.620 What have they said about any of this?

01:15:37.820 Well, I don't know about PTUK, but I know that the RSPCA fully support a ban.

01:15:42.620 I saw that.

01:15:43.620 That's good.

01:15:44.200 It's recently released a petition.

01:15:47.240 The RSPCA support both labeling and a ban on non-stunned slaughter.

01:15:52.120 This is my issue, and I will continue to highlight this.

01:15:55.420 We cannot just say non-stun, because they will say, oh, but the 88% is fine.

01:16:00.320 It's like, no.

01:16:01.220 Non-full-stunned slaughter.

01:16:03.240 Okay.

01:16:03.720 All religiously.

01:16:04.380 All through the head.

01:16:05.500 No other way of doing it.

01:16:08.300 Yeah.

01:16:08.620 Yes.

01:16:09.000 PTUK are actually against ritual slaughter, as they call it.

01:16:14.700 But of course, PTUK are against any kind of slaughter.

01:16:17.040 So, they will just say, well, that means you can't ever eat meat.

01:16:20.780 So, they are actually against it.

01:16:22.480 They do have an article on PTUK's website.

01:16:24.960 So, okay.

01:16:25.500 Well done, Peter.

01:16:26.180 And well done to the Royal Society.

01:16:27.780 I actually thought they were going to be politically correct and be wimpy about it.

01:16:31.500 But again, as we said, being politically correct, you should support the animals.

01:16:35.720 That's the moral.

01:16:36.680 It shouldn't be politically correct.

01:16:37.560 Well, that's the question, isn't it?

01:16:38.740 Is it Islam or is it animal welfare? 0.79

01:16:40.880 Yeah.

01:16:41.140 Which one is the most important?

01:16:42.800 And it's interesting how they actually arrived on the right side of that issue.

01:16:45.540 Yeah.

01:16:46.060 And why should animals be sacrificed at the altar of, you know, multiculturalism, as we

01:16:49.700 say all the time, like with women and rapes or animals and slaughter?

01:16:53.980 It's, no, it just all needs to stop.

01:16:56.840 Logan says, I found a book on about the 16th century British warship and the animals were

01:17:00.980 treated better than the crew and they had a mallet just for the job.

01:17:09.000 Burnapple Tea Party says, I don't know, I'm just so scared by the Dulwich College

01:17:12.260 allegations.

01:17:12.760 He's now spending all of his time trying to prove he's part of the lib consensus.

01:17:16.560 Yeah. 0.94

01:17:16.980 I don't, I mean, that's, that was the most pathetic series of events ever. 0.92

01:17:21.980 30 years ago, no, 50 years ago, Nigel Farage was racist to me. 0.94

01:17:26.660 It's like, you can't get me to vote for him.

01:17:29.040 There's nothing you can say that's going to get me to vote for him.

01:17:31.440 Um, uh, we always, oh, sorry.

01:17:36.520 I both love and hate America.

01:17:37.800 Uh, it's, it's so backwards as far as being American. 0.95

01:17:40.300 There are those born here who aren't American, but those who moved here who are American because

01:17:43.580 American is an idea. 0.94

01:17:44.600 Um, well, that's quite contestable and I'm not sure I agree with it, to be honest.

01:17:48.640 Um, I think the Americans have an ethos, uh, but it isn't, and it, which is an appealing

01:17:54.880 ethos to a lot of people, but that doesn't change them.

01:17:58.760 Um, anyway, uh, from the website and says, uh, regarding the hope not hate article, uh,

01:18:04.360 Carl, you should thank them for the ad, which will do nothing but send more people to low

01:18:07.160 seaters.

01:18:07.580 You do look very handsome in the photo as well.

01:18:09.000 Well, thank you very much.

01:18:09.760 Um, Alex says, uh, someone needs to have a word with hope not hate about the style of

01:18:14.620 their reports.

01:18:15.520 It looks like a children's coloring book.

01:18:17.420 Perhaps they should take some guidance from Islander magazine.

01:18:20.360 Well, that's something they did.

01:18:21.460 They did mention, uh, Islander in it as well, but, uh, I guess they didn't order a copy because

01:18:25.720 they didn't know what the inside look like.

01:18:27.480 Uh, Hector says, uh, not in the top five unsubscribed, Carl.

01:18:30.500 I don't pay subscribe for anything less than the best.

01:18:32.500 I'll do better next year.

01:18:33.320 I promise.

01:18:33.980 Uh, and he points out that, well, the people reading it will be reformed, won't they?

01:18:39.060 So it's hope not hate of vetting their candidates.

01:18:42.500 Uh, cost says Swindon grievance factory needs to be a membership tier.

01:18:48.820 That's not a bad idea.

01:18:51.800 Genuinely funny.

01:18:53.120 Um, there was a hope not hate article alongside our mutual friend hadders.

01:18:57.340 Nothing says journalism like infiltrating and exposing a bunch of politically homeless

01:19:01.000 students. 0.99

01:19:01.680 They truly are the lowest scum they are, but it's, it's really, uh, a sort of moment that's 1.00

01:19:06.040 passed this time now, isn't it? 1.00

01:19:07.580 Yeah.

01:19:07.780 Like hope not hate comes out and goes, everyone goes, oh, am I in it?

01:19:10.700 Exactly.

01:19:11.000 Rather than, oh no, I'm in it.

01:19:12.740 Yeah, exactly.

01:19:13.560 It's a badge of honor.

01:19:14.900 It's become comedy.

01:19:16.140 It's just become comedy now.

01:19:17.820 It means you're doing something right.

01:19:19.040 Exactly.

01:19:19.480 If you're not mentioned in it, then.

01:19:21.200 Because as we were saying earlier, the whole point is we are not extreme.

01:19:26.920 The current trajectory of this country is extreme.

01:19:29.400 We just want a return to normality.

01:19:31.080 Um, and we are just reacting to what the state of the country is.

01:19:35.320 So we are the normal ones.

01:19:38.060 Exactly.

01:19:38.460 You impose something absolutely insane on the people.

01:19:40.800 And now, oh, wow.

01:19:42.740 They hate it.

01:19:43.320 It turns out.

01:19:44.600 Okay.

01:19:45.380 George says, uh, Dankula was recently seething.

01:19:47.780 They didn't make the report this year.

01:19:49.080 And you lads did.

01:19:49.780 Well, sorry, Dank.

01:19:53.080 Got up your game, bro.

01:19:54.340 Just saying.

01:19:55.900 Immy says, hope not hate labeling everything far right.

01:19:58.140 It's great.

01:19:58.600 It feels like the death throes of a dying regime and it's happening under labor.

01:20:01.920 Yeah, it does, doesn't it?

01:20:03.140 You know, it's exactly what it is.

01:20:04.400 Yeah.

01:20:04.900 Like this.

01:20:05.500 They sound defeated.

01:20:07.140 Yes.

01:20:07.560 Well, I think.

01:20:08.120 They sound defeated.

01:20:09.080 I think just quickly on that point of labor being defeated, they've essentially lost the

01:20:12.900 Muslim vote to the Green Party.

01:20:14.480 And now they're like, oh, panic.

01:20:15.780 What do we do?

01:20:16.960 Let's call them iftar, Ramadan and Westminster Hall. 0.99

01:20:19.920 Yeah.

01:20:20.260 Keir Starmer had an iftar with the Palestinian ambassador yesterday.

01:20:25.380 And it's not going to win them the Muslim vote back.

01:20:28.320 You know, Shaban and Mahmoud's too busy crushing them at the border. 1.00

01:20:31.300 But that's the, that's the question.

01:20:32.520 Is it like, what is left of the labor party coalition at this point?

01:20:37.400 I guess some trade unions and state workers.

01:20:40.240 Who's stuck there.

01:20:41.300 Yeah.

01:20:41.820 Yeah.

01:20:42.220 Yeah.

01:20:42.620 And, and people who work for the government.

01:20:44.740 That's it.

01:20:45.780 And even that can't be homogenous.

01:20:47.500 Let's see, um, the May elections.

01:20:48.880 I can't wait to see.

01:20:49.620 Oh, it's going to be brutal.

01:20:50.640 It's going to be brutal.

01:20:51.180 Wipe out for labor.

01:20:52.620 But probably for the Tories too.

01:20:54.040 I mean, you know, the, the, the union party consensus is dying, which is why Nigel Farage

01:20:58.280 is jumping on that bandwagon.

01:20:59.860 And the funny thing is that both labor and the conservatives are waiting to get rid of

01:21:03.740 their leaders until after they can blame them for the May elections, which is just hilarious

01:21:08.520 cynicism.

01:21:09.340 Yes.

01:21:09.620 Um, I love that it's a dead parliament walking as well.

01:21:13.240 Like there's literally going to be something like four, 500 MPs who are going to lose their

01:21:17.080 seats.

01:21:17.660 Yeah.

01:21:17.900 Both parties.

01:21:18.660 And they know it.

01:21:19.400 Yeah.

01:21:19.580 Yeah.

01:21:19.700 They know it.

01:21:20.380 And both party leaders are also slated to lose their seats as well as the labor front

01:21:23.880 bench.

01:21:24.300 It's like, what are you guys still doing here?

01:21:26.740 Yeah.

01:21:28.100 It's embarrassing.

01:21:29.280 The whole general elections.

01:21:30.620 Well, not just yet, but you know, when the time is right.

01:21:33.600 It's going to be a non-stun slaughter for them, right?

01:21:35.620 Well, apparently he wants to be the big guy in labor as well.

01:21:45.220 Nicholas says, congratulations to everyone who made it on the list.

01:21:48.140 Alex says, the problem of citizenship is a symptom of the woeful ineptitude of the media.

01:21:52.740 You never had to be intelligent to work in the media.

01:21:54.740 The current cadre in the mainstream merely lived down to what Yuri Besman have warned.

01:21:59.560 Citizenship is awarded.

01:22:01.120 Ethnicity is inherited. 0.99

01:22:02.260 The debate isn't about whether people are British citizens, but the erosion of the English

01:22:08.020 and to a lesser extent than the Scottish, Welsh and Irish, ethnicity.

01:22:11.860 Do not be tied up in the malframing of the media.

01:22:14.880 Stick to core principles.

01:22:15.900 Well, that was exactly the point you made.

01:22:20.320 Sophie says, I'd really like to give my sincere thanks to Restore for being outside of the

01:22:26.480 consensus, basically.

01:22:27.500 Belle says, my mum didn't learn English just for our politicians to start speaking Urdu.

01:22:36.360 We've said this before, but do you know who the last white British politician who could

01:22:40.300 speak Urdu was?

01:22:41.720 Take a guess.

01:22:44.340 Radical.

01:22:45.740 Radical.

01:22:46.160 Wasn't it Enoch Powell?

01:22:48.020 Correct.

01:22:49.180 He's the last British politician.

01:22:51.220 Yeah, he had a lot of languages, yeah.

01:22:52.940 He spoke nine languages.

01:22:55.120 Child of the Empire, yeah.

01:22:56.180 I always say with Enoch Powell, you know, if we go back to 1968, he was complaining that

01:23:00.740 around, I think, off the top of my head.

01:23:02.800 50,000 a year.

01:23:03.180 Yeah, 50,000 a year were coming, and it's sort of, you know, well.

01:23:06.420 If only.

01:23:07.200 If only it were 50,000.

01:23:09.140 Yeah.

01:23:10.980 Yeah.

01:23:12.180 Like, never in his wildest dreams.

01:23:14.120 Yeah, 1.2 million in a year.

01:23:15.820 Great.

01:23:16.340 All from the third world. 1.00

01:23:17.500 Good news.

01:23:18.380 Last year, it was only 850,000.

01:23:22.200 Oh, it's slowly going to.

01:23:23.480 I know, I know.

01:23:24.540 But at least the war in the Middle East is going to bring a lot of British people back. 1.00

01:23:28.780 It's also going to bring a lot of Iranians back with them.

01:23:31.500 Yeah, they reckon 2.5 million Iranians across Europe.

01:23:35.440 Great.

01:23:36.580 Henry says, it's time to paraphrase the quote from The Incredibles again.

01:23:40.980 If everyone is British, no one will be. 1.00

01:23:42.820 Well, this is a point that they don't seem to understand.

01:23:44.560 Like, the desirability of British citizenship is dramatically shrinking with the more that

01:23:49.900 they handed out.

01:23:51.140 You're a British citizen.

01:23:51.960 What does that mean?

01:23:52.400 Like, well, you can't get an NHS appointment.

01:23:54.680 There's no social housing.

01:23:56.160 The roads are packed. 1.00

01:23:57.300 The economy's crap. 0.97

01:23:58.180 You can't get a job. 0.99

01:23:59.260 But you might get some free money from the government.

01:24:01.260 So you get to live in a tiny box and get 50 quid a week.

01:24:05.720 Like, great.

01:24:07.580 It's insane.

01:24:08.380 I guess they think it's best for them where they're coming from.

01:24:10.600 But they should just go and build their own countries rather than just...

01:24:13.300 Well, that's what the remittances are about.

01:24:15.280 Yeah.

01:24:16.360 White Rider says, we can roll back whatever we like.

01:24:19.320 We can just change laws.

01:24:20.480 We can leave the UN.

01:24:21.340 There's nothing stopping us unless we're worried about international opinion.

01:24:24.380 And he doesn't care about international opinion.

01:24:26.500 Well, that's exactly the point.

01:24:27.420 Like, the thing about the sovereignty of parliament is...

01:24:30.060 I mean, it's going to be unpleasant for a bunch of people who are making their living out of it.

01:24:33.280 But screw them.

01:24:34.740 I'm down for rolling back everything, really.

01:24:36.780 Cumber and Kulak says, the transport time to Slaughterhouse as well should be minimal.

01:24:42.980 Need more local setups instead of big super centers appearing?

01:24:45.840 Control the food chain.

01:24:46.540 That's a really important point.

01:24:47.400 It is.

01:24:47.880 Control the food chain.

01:24:48.560 Control the people.

01:24:49.440 It's a great point.

01:24:51.000 Baron von Warhawk says, reject all kebabs. 1.00

01:24:53.060 Reject all curries.

01:24:54.320 Reject all kosher and halal restaurants. 1.00

01:24:55.900 Embrace beef wellington and pork chops.

01:24:58.620 Thing is, though, that's a great dinner.

01:25:01.300 I'm going to make beef wellington soon.

01:25:03.200 I haven't tried to make it.

01:25:04.280 I'm going to make it soon.

01:25:05.400 It's great.

01:25:05.720 It's not hard either, you know.

01:25:07.620 I wouldn't know.

01:25:09.520 Gareth says, surprised Carl was surprised by the stunned difference.

01:25:13.140 Seems even those in the know don't know everything.

01:25:15.060 Well, I've never looked into it in great depth.

01:25:17.720 That's the importance as to why we have to bring it to people's attention.

01:25:20.720 Now everyone can go and do their research and say, oh yeah, actually, it's not really stunned.

01:25:24.320 Yeah, yeah.

01:25:25.000 Because I'd never even heard of that, to be honest.

01:25:27.000 I just assumed it was just not stunned.

01:25:29.000 Like everything in the modern world is a play on words and it's disgusting.

01:25:33.080 Yeah, yeah.

01:25:33.580 Yeah.

01:25:35.840 Killeen says, non-stun slaughter is literally how we butchered animals hundreds of years ago

01:25:39.300 before we decided animal cruelty was wrong.

01:25:41.100 Yes.

01:25:42.400 I mean, is it literally like medieval?

01:25:44.500 Well, this is the thing.

01:25:45.460 The reason why they used to do it was because they didn't have refrigeration.

01:25:48.920 So, you know, we do have refrigeration now.

01:25:51.400 You know, we have electricity and things.

01:25:53.060 One of the commentators was saying that they used to use a mallet on ships to kill the animals.

01:25:57.620 Yeah.

01:25:57.720 So, if you're using a mallet in the 16th century, that sort of suggests that actually stunning animals is a pretty old practice.

01:26:05.940 Yeah.

01:26:06.640 So, why wouldn't you do it?

01:26:09.220 And practically speaking, I've seen animals get slaughtered the Islamic way. 1.00

01:26:13.660 You don't want to see it.

01:26:16.540 Oh, gosh.

01:26:16.980 I've seen these videos and they give me nightmares.

01:26:19.320 These videos are horrific.

01:26:21.000 And I think if you wanted to do an actual public campaign on it, you would have to make everyone watch one of those slaughter videos.

01:26:27.000 And then maybe they would then, you know, morally.

01:26:30.760 You can find them on Twitter. 0.88

01:26:32.400 They're horrible. 0.74

01:26:33.420 Yeah.

01:26:33.600 It's just genuinely horrible.

01:26:35.820 Yeah.

01:26:35.980 Why wouldn't you just at least use a mallet?

01:26:38.040 You know, for Christ's sake.

01:26:43.320 Fuzzy Toast says, we should do what the Spanish did and start greeting each other with great big legs of cured ham. 1.00

01:26:47.860 Yes.

01:26:48.480 Well, I mean, I would love a leg of cured ham.

01:26:52.020 You come and meet me in the street and you bring me a cured ham.

01:26:54.000 I'm a very happy man.

01:26:55.120 Take your dog for a walk with you every week.

01:26:56.640 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:26:57.580 And with a bear in the hand.

01:26:58.660 I want to get a dog.

01:26:59.920 I really want a dog.

01:27:00.760 Henry says, so if I understand the stunning distinction, the British irreversible version effectively renders the animal brain dead before it's slaughtered.

01:27:07.240 Yes.

01:27:07.400 Yeah, because there's a bolt through, like, the brainstem, right?

01:27:09.880 So that's, yeah, that's.

01:27:11.800 And they don't see it.

01:27:12.660 They don't even see it coming.

01:27:13.800 Yeah, it's from behind as well.

01:27:14.820 Exactly.

01:27:15.340 So I'm afraid.

01:27:16.100 Yeah.

01:27:16.500 So, yes, Henry, it's literally as compassionate as it possibly could be.

01:27:22.200 And it was written to law in the 1930s.

01:27:24.940 So, I mean, anyway.

01:27:26.360 Michael says, this has really opened my eyes to the problem with halal and kosher slaughter.

01:27:30.280 I thought that it was simply a blessing over the animal.

01:27:32.740 This completely changed my view on that.

01:27:34.720 It's like, well, that's the problem, isn't it?

01:27:36.200 You know, because a lot is wrapped up in just a word and no one ever wants to examine the depth of it.

01:27:42.500 So, I mean, I hadn't even, I didn't even know.

01:27:44.780 So.

01:27:46.880 As I say, I said, let's just.

01:27:48.100 Remember, 68% have major hygiene issues.

01:27:50.580 Yep.

01:27:50.780 68% major hygiene issues.

01:27:53.820 Yeah.

01:27:54.220 I've read a lot of information on these.

01:27:56.840 You can read on those two examples in Borrekshire and North Yorkshire.

01:28:01.120 Oh, yeah.

01:28:01.380 Quite brutal.

01:28:04.220 Well, I mean, I just can't understand the deliberate wanton cruelty of it.

01:28:07.200 Yeah.

01:28:07.340 Like, there's this attitude. 0.88

01:28:09.560 Like, I've seen, like, CCTV of, like, a Muslim slaughterhouse where they're literally kicking the animals around and they're just being horrible and contemptuous. 1.00

01:28:17.280 It's like, just, why would we want that? 0.80

01:28:21.040 No.

01:28:21.220 And also, I think this was last year.

01:28:23.900 I think there was one Halal butcher place, which they, one Halal, yeah, slaughterhouse, and they had over 900 work visas for that one place.

01:28:33.120 And it's just like, how does the home office not clock onto the fact that this is totally, you know, corrupt?

01:28:38.760 And that's not what they're going, they're not all going to get a job in that one place.

01:28:42.360 Obviously, yeah.

01:28:43.340 Our visas are just being abused.

01:28:45.220 Yeah.

01:28:45.340 Michael says, my wife is Slovak with settled status.

01:28:48.820 She can be a dual citizen, but she can't be a dual citizen as Slovakia doesn't allow it, nor does she want to be, but as a friend of the indigenous Brits, and we know we need to defend our future.

01:28:59.680 And that's a perfectly reasonable position for Slovakia to have.

01:29:02.940 No, you can't be a dual citizen.

01:29:04.100 You can give up your Slovak citizenship, but then you're not coming back. 1.00

01:29:07.640 But again, where are we?

01:29:10.160 Lancelot says, the rats are fleeing the sinking ship, so wise for us setting up cheese instead of traps.

01:29:15.340 And the thing is, some of it is so nakedly obvious as well.

01:29:20.420 Like the Nadim Doris and Nadim Zahawi stuff, there is just no benefit for us taking these people. 1.00

01:29:26.520 No.

01:29:26.940 Total dead weight.

01:29:27.780 And when he was announcing his shadow cabinet, he didn't give them anything.

01:29:31.560 So it's like, right, okay, so you don't really want them, so why are they here?

01:29:34.280 What's the point of any of this?

01:29:36.300 Anyway, I'm afraid we're out of time there.

01:29:37.900 So, Lucy, where can people find more from you?

01:29:40.660 On my X account.

01:29:42.700 I always almost call it Twitter, but yeah, X.

01:29:44.760 Lucy White, you'll find me.

01:29:46.960 Also in the Hope Not Hate report.

01:29:48.760 Ah, there you go.

01:29:50.060 Good point.

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The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - March 05, 2026

The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1368

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