The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1372

00:00:00.000 Good afternoon, and welcome to the podcast of The Lotus Eaters, episode 1372.

00:00:05.920 I'm your host, Harry, joined today by Luca.

00:00:08.420 Hi.

00:00:09.200 And returning guest, Elizabeth Heverin.

00:00:11.920 Hi, it's good to be here.

00:00:13.220 Thank you for joining us again today.

00:00:15.200 My pleasure.

00:00:15.680 And today we're going to be talking about potentially Japan being betrayed,

00:00:20.340 which should be very interesting because I'd be sad to hear it,

00:00:24.500 but it would be another case of populist party betrayal,

00:00:27.440 which really does start to show a pattern has formed with this,

00:00:31.720 that you can't really trust these people, which might be relevant to British politics.

00:00:35.920 We're also going to be talking about Spain amnestying half a million illegals by the end of June,

00:00:42.160 and Liz is going to take us through the British university problem,

00:00:46.000 and that is the problem of British university student visas

00:00:49.460 and how they are a backdoor to mass migration.

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00:02:26.760 So let's begin by talking about Japan, shall we?

00:02:30.840 Because, now, I was actually away when the Liberal Democrat Party,

00:02:37.820 Sano Takechi's party, won this massive majority.

00:02:41.960 But they did, and it was pretty staggering.

00:02:45.020 Now, we covered the fact that, really, now, this has not aged particularly well

00:02:49.480 in the way that it's framed in terms of their own Trump,

00:02:52.000 because I've become beyond disenchanted with Trump at this point.

00:02:56.820 I find analysis of, well, positive analysis of populist parties across the world now,

00:03:02.100 seemingly, not just the West and Europe, but Japan as well, never aged particularly well.

00:03:07.960 I think it fits it quite well, because this party supports it as well.

00:03:11.020 Well, the point was that, well, the thing was, though, that, obviously, it is a centre-right party.

00:03:18.660 It's not innately nationalist in its principles or in its core.

00:03:22.440 And, you know, to invoke AA's very sensible position, the centre-right are your absolute enemy.

00:03:28.420 This seems to have been the case in Europe, it seems to have been the case in America, and so...

00:03:33.840 So, explain to us what's going on with Japan, then,

00:03:37.240 because, obviously, a lot of people will be familiar with our coverage,

00:03:40.880 and they'll be expecting that this was supposed to be a good thing.

00:03:43.720 Well, OK, so, first of all, as Sid points out here,

00:03:47.140 the right-wing in Japan has a large enough supermajority

00:03:50.060 that they can amend the constitution that was forced on them at gunpoint by the American Liberals back in 1945.

00:03:56.480 So, for the first time in nearly a century, the soul of Japan can actually be reclaimed.

00:04:02.020 Now, this, for me, smacks a lot of back when Boris Johnson

00:04:06.020 had the supermajority in the United Kingdom back in 2019,

00:04:10.780 and we were in a position where he could have done absolutely anything,

00:04:14.540 and he decided that top of his list of things to do was more betrayal.

00:04:19.580 So, it's always something to be cautious of,

00:04:22.400 and especially now, because the other thing as well was that, actually,

00:04:26.480 Senator Takaichi's party was struggling a lot.

00:04:29.700 It had broken a lot of trust with the public over recent years,

00:04:34.320 and it was beginning to stall, and it seemed like, for the first time in the history of a Japanese democracy,

00:04:40.300 which is not so extensive.

00:04:42.220 I was going to say, it's not a very long history.

00:04:44.020 But it did seem like, actually, another party would begin to create inroads

00:04:48.960 and actually would be a threat to the established party.

00:04:51.700 And so, Takaichi comes in and she offers some very firm rhetoric on questions of immigration.

00:04:57.220 She comes in and offers, you know, very strong stances on China,

00:05:01.020 and, you know, just certainly gives lip service to a lot of the anxieties

00:05:05.740 amongst the Japanese population about stagnation of the economy, birth rates,

00:05:10.820 all the things that Japanese voters are obviously very concerned about,

00:05:14.260 which is why they rewarded her with a landslide.

00:05:16.900 However, these same concerns and these same problems that pop up all across modern countries

00:05:22.620 and modern democracies are the same problems that are used to justify mass migration,

00:05:27.660 especially birth rates.

00:05:28.860 Yeah, and I was going to say, with the last slide,

00:05:30.820 when he says the soul of Japan can be reclaimed,

00:05:33.120 if the soul of Japan was going to be reclaimed,

00:05:35.220 it would be going back to the emperor system,

00:05:37.180 the true essence of the Japanese nation.

00:05:39.880 And then Yuki Mishima, really the last example of a man that embodied the Japanese spirit,

00:05:47.100 he committed seppuku, which was a suicide,

00:05:51.120 which was a window dressing for the fact he wanted to die.

00:05:53.700 You know, he said, and he had this quote, and he said,

00:05:56.480 Japan has lost its spiritual tradition and instead has become infested with materialism,

00:06:01.600 and Japan is under the curse of a green snake.

00:06:04.120 There is a green snake in the bottom of Japan.

00:06:06.060 There is no way to escape the curse,

00:06:07.820 and what he was talking about was the legacy of American imperialism.

00:06:13.480 Japan will always be democratic now,

00:06:16.060 and that sort of nationalist spirit that Japan had is now lost.

00:06:20.300 And you see this with this new party that could bring back the old ways

00:06:24.120 and bring back the Japanese spirit, but they never will.

00:06:27.700 Well, this is really the thing, though, isn't it?

00:06:29.860 That all a country should aspire to is to be the most authentic version of itself.

00:06:35.580 It shouldn't, you know, the success of a country or the prosperity of the country

00:06:39.360 or the value of a country should never be measured

00:06:42.180 along the lines of just presupposed liberal priors

00:06:45.380 that have been thrust on them, you know, by an outside power.

00:06:48.900 So as we go through here and talk about this article,

00:06:51.740 it says that Prime Minister Sanitakaichi won overwhelmingly

00:06:55.380 in the number of social media videos views

00:06:58.980 during the recent lower house election campaign,

00:07:01.680 which may have contributed to a party's landslide win.

00:07:04.600 Now, one of the things that I want to point out about this

00:07:07.460 is the fact that this goes a long way into what we're seeing

00:07:10.980 becoming more and more where people talk about,

00:07:13.360 they say this about us and the United Kingdom, don't they,

00:07:15.780 about the fact that we're terminally online

00:07:18.020 and, you know, restore only appealed to terminally online people.

00:07:22.320 Well, you know, the distinction between online and offline

00:07:25.680 is only diminishing as, you know, newer and newer generations come along.

00:07:30.940 They grow up with the technology.

00:07:32.500 They're not actually having to adapt it to, you know,

00:07:36.300 older ways of thinking and older ways of going.

00:07:38.960 I do, I've got to say, I do think that that's a tragedy

00:07:41.700 because I think that online social media addiction

00:07:45.620 is one of the great curses of today.

00:07:49.080 But you are right that this idea that simply by being popular online

00:07:54.100 that you're kind of appealing to an ephemeral trend

00:07:57.240 that won't translate into real life,

00:07:59.500 behind, hopefully, dead internet theory notwithstanding,

00:08:03.980 behind most accounts there will be a real person.

00:08:06.720 Absolutely.

00:08:07.460 It's not all bots.

00:08:08.900 Everybody who's unpopular or has a bad reaction to something

00:08:12.400 at any one time wants to claim bots.

00:08:15.280 That's not always the case.

00:08:17.500 You need evidence for that.

00:08:19.280 And this has translated into real life results.

00:08:21.640 And when you're on the screen, you forget that, you know,

00:08:23.760 the people you're engaging with online,

00:08:25.320 the people you're getting likes with,

00:08:26.580 the likes on your tweets from online are real people.

00:08:30.300 And there seems to be a tendency when we look at a screen,

00:08:32.560 we sort of take the humanity away.

00:08:34.340 And we pretend it's not real life when, in fact,

00:08:38.020 it is a representation of what people hold.

00:08:41.980 Absolutely.

00:08:42.880 Well, whether they're voicing it from, you know,

00:08:46.140 having a chat with a neighbour or voicing it online,

00:08:48.660 the concern is still the concern, right,

00:08:50.720 irrespective of how it's being aired.

00:08:52.980 And as it points out here, a study from,

00:08:55.120 go to Senko,

00:08:57.860 senko.com political information website,

00:09:00.720 found that about 90,000 videos had been posted

00:09:03.560 during the lower house election campaign to YouTube

00:09:06.880 and were viewed to a total of 2.8 billion times,

00:09:10.620 which was a tenfold increase over 2024

00:09:13.560 when a similar election was held.

00:09:16.100 It also goes on to say that among individual politicians,

00:09:19.180 the study found that the videos of Tokaichi

00:09:21.260 were watched a total of about 450 million times,

00:09:25.960 which was by far the largest number.

00:09:27.680 And only about 20% of those videos

00:09:30.820 were posted by the political parties

00:09:33.220 or individual candidates,

00:09:34.680 with the remainder being from so-called third parties.

00:09:38.260 And so one of the trappings that comes with this

00:09:41.640 is, of course, the fact that

00:09:43.300 if a lot of this video material

00:09:45.880 that is coming online via, you know,

00:09:48.920 Zoomer edits and just, you know,

00:09:50.680 little infographics and things being mocked up

00:09:53.000 by third parties,

00:09:53.980 then this can have quite a dramatic effect

00:09:56.680 on changing the strength of the discourse

00:10:01.700 and the strength of the messaging.

00:10:03.440 And so you might portray them as more radical

00:10:06.600 than they actually are

00:10:07.840 in order to attract votes to them.

00:10:09.820 And so it's constantly saying,

00:10:11.260 the actual campaigning is being done online

00:10:13.920 and not necessarily by the parties themselves.

00:10:17.260 And so there will naturally be a bit of a difference

00:10:20.120 between the messaging of the party

00:10:22.220 and the messaging of the supporters.

00:10:24.620 And I think this is one of the things

00:10:27.080 that we've seen here,

00:10:28.340 where actually Takaichi,

00:10:30.840 and I'm not saying she's a terrible politician

00:10:32.880 or anything of the kind.

00:10:34.260 What I am saying is that I think

00:10:35.840 that a lot of the videos

00:10:38.280 and things that get put about on X

00:10:40.480 have made her sound a lot more radical

00:10:42.760 than she has actually portrayed herself as being.

00:10:46.120 Of course.

00:10:46.720 One of the other points to take

00:10:48.020 from what you were saying there

00:10:49.100 is just to acknowledge that what that means

00:10:51.340 is that the social media companies

00:10:52.960 have an insane amount of power

00:10:55.220 and influence over elections.

00:10:57.300 And when a lot of these videos

00:10:58.620 are being produced by third-party sources,

00:11:01.040 the question becomes,

00:11:02.200 are these independent sources

00:11:03.420 or are they more organized?

00:11:05.300 And if they are more organized,

00:11:06.480 the question has to be,

00:11:07.720 what benefit do they get

00:11:09.700 from portraying these people in such a way?

00:11:12.380 Is there financial interests backing this?

00:11:15.040 Is there an interest in appealing

00:11:17.480 to a more radical section

00:11:19.280 of the voting population

00:11:20.840 where you're not intending on following through

00:11:24.420 on how you're portraying it?

00:11:26.140 Absolutely.

00:11:27.080 And voters,

00:11:27.660 they tend to be far more radical

00:11:28.780 than the parties themselves.

00:11:30.180 I mean, you see that in Britain,

00:11:31.620 with reform, for example.

00:11:32.780 Absolutely.

00:11:33.420 Where it's basis,

00:11:34.240 it's far radical.

00:11:35.120 They want remigration,

00:11:37.840 but the party will never deliver on that.

00:11:40.200 And they're far tame.

00:11:40.960 So you get the voters hyping the party up.

00:11:43.860 Same with Trump saying,

00:11:45.080 oh, if Trump's in power,

00:11:45.980 he'll do this, he'll do that.

00:11:48.820 He's got a secret plan.

00:11:50.220 You've got to trust the plan.

00:11:51.540 In fact, that's not the reality.

00:11:53.640 And what's more as well,

00:11:55.340 invariably those politicians

00:11:56.740 are in the political arena

00:11:58.380 in the first place

00:11:59.740 in order that that option

00:12:01.060 is simply taken off the table

00:12:02.880 to make sure that that's not something

00:12:04.660 that voters can actually get.

00:12:06.600 But we can see here from

00:12:08.060 Satsuki Katayama,

00:12:10.740 who's Japan's finance minister,

00:12:12.520 she said,

00:12:13.360 we're not imagining a situation

00:12:14.780 where our society

00:12:15.700 will be like European countries,

00:12:17.620 but that Japan is open

00:12:19.080 to welcoming a few good people.

00:12:21.880 And she also spoke about

00:12:22.980 her two years living in France,

00:12:24.500 saying that even though

00:12:25.620 immigrants from former French colonies

00:12:27.460 speak French,

00:12:28.260 there was still a feeling

00:12:29.340 among French people

00:12:30.360 that they were from

00:12:31.440 a different culture

00:12:32.280 and that Japanese people

00:12:33.780 feel similarly

00:12:34.700 about people who've come from them.

00:12:36.940 And so there is,

00:12:38.100 right from the top

00:12:39.680 of the ruling Japanese party

00:12:41.780 and understanding that

00:12:43.180 the plight of Europe

00:12:44.540 is a cautionary tale.

00:12:46.340 And they are,

00:12:47.120 I mean,

00:12:47.480 this is one of the other things

00:12:48.780 as well, isn't it?

00:12:50.140 It could only be done

00:12:51.700 by a truly malicious party

00:12:53.420 that would claim ignorance

00:12:55.000 of the damages

00:12:56.320 that mass immigration can cause

00:12:58.140 when we have extensive,

00:13:00.100 you know,

00:13:00.460 an entire half a century

00:13:02.040 of evidence right now

00:13:03.580 to point to the fact

00:13:04.460 that actually

00:13:05.100 it's not going to go

00:13:06.800 the way you think.

00:13:07.580 But the numbers are getting

00:13:09.580 pretty scary

00:13:10.280 to be honest with you.

00:13:11.240 You can see from

00:13:12.100 this article here

00:13:13.480 says that the number

00:13:14.540 of foreigners residing

00:13:15.620 in Japan

00:13:16.220 as of the end of 2025

00:13:18.100 reached a record

00:13:19.280 of about 4.13 million,

00:13:21.600 reaching the 4 million level

00:13:22.940 for the first time.

00:13:24.420 And according to data

00:13:25.280 submitted to the cabinet

00:13:26.380 by the Immigration Services Agency

00:13:28.300 on the 10th,

00:13:29.020 so just yesterday,

00:13:30.820 according to the Immigration Agency,

00:13:33.040 there were about 2.78,

00:13:35.180 sorry,

00:13:35.360 2.76 million people

00:13:37.620 at the end of

00:13:38.620 the third year

00:13:39.900 of the Emperor,

00:13:40.560 that's 2022.

00:13:43.000 And by the end

00:13:43.860 of the fourth year,

00:13:44.640 it was 3.7,

00:13:45.940 and it just keeps

00:13:46.700 going and going,

00:13:47.660 and so actually

00:13:48.380 they've been taking

00:13:49.480 in about 350,000

00:13:51.320 foreigners every year,

00:13:53.000 and now they've crossed

00:13:53.680 a threshold

00:13:54.200 of over 4 million.

00:13:55.760 My question is,

00:13:57.080 you know,

00:13:57.640 if you're a Brit

00:13:58.720 and you want to

00:13:59.400 work in Japan,

00:14:01.100 your only route

00:14:01.900 for working in Japan

00:14:03.300 is to teach English,

00:14:04.980 that's the only way

00:14:05.660 as like a European

00:14:06.440 you can really do that.

00:14:08.160 Yeah,

00:14:08.360 there are entire sectors

00:14:09.600 of the workforce,

00:14:10.600 you're simply,

00:14:11.120 you don't have access,

00:14:12.060 you don't have the right

00:14:12.720 to access.

00:14:13.320 Yeah,

00:14:13.500 and they have like

00:14:14.020 extremely strict immigration,

00:14:15.800 so how on earth

00:14:16.520 are those numbers

00:14:17.600 so,

00:14:18.060 so high?

00:14:18.940 Yes,

00:14:19.380 and the other question

00:14:20.300 that I have is,

00:14:22.140 this new government,

00:14:23.700 have they had a chance

00:14:24.380 to implement any policies

00:14:25.720 regarding this yet,

00:14:27.580 and whatever policies

00:14:28.720 they have implemented

00:14:29.760 or may be about

00:14:31.600 to implement hopefully,

00:14:33.400 how long would you expect

00:14:34.760 to see any sort of change

00:14:36.000 in those numbers

00:14:37.020 or reverse,

00:14:37.840 what you want to see

00:14:38.700 in those kinds of numbers

00:14:39.500 is a reversal.

00:14:40.660 Absolutely,

00:14:41.300 yes,

00:14:41.520 you want to see people

00:14:42.520 being incentivized

00:14:43.980 to leave,

00:14:44.940 absolutely,

00:14:45.960 and so as it currently stands,

00:14:47.700 the ethnic minority

00:14:49.040 block in Japan

00:14:50.980 is at about 3%,

00:14:52.340 and as further down

00:14:53.660 the article

00:14:54.200 in this one here,

00:14:55.220 it points out that

00:14:56.060 according to the result

00:14:57.620 of the latest Asahi Shimbam

00:15:00.160 telephone survey published,

00:15:02.560 this was towards

00:15:03.680 the end of last year,

00:15:04.920 66% of respondents

00:15:06.620 viewed Tukachi's

00:15:07.600 tougher immigration policies

00:15:08.940 as promising,

00:15:09.980 while 24% expressed

00:15:11.660 concern about them,

00:15:12.940 and 56% said that Japan

00:15:14.740 needed fewer visitors

00:15:16.060 and immigrants,

00:15:17.260 compared to 26%

00:15:19.160 who said that the country

00:15:20.280 needed more,

00:15:21.600 and several studies

00:15:22.560 have shown,

00:15:23.300 now this is an interesting

00:15:24.340 point as well,

00:15:25.580 that I do want to

00:15:26.580 actually say,

00:15:27.600 this entire article

00:15:29.700 is basically saying,

00:15:30.920 oh,

00:15:31.220 but we shouldn't take

00:15:32.220 those statistics,

00:15:33.900 we shouldn't be

00:15:34.680 too concerned with them,

00:15:35.940 we should naturally

00:15:36.780 just carry on

00:15:37.540 with immigration,

00:15:38.380 it's quite a subversive article,

00:15:40.220 but one of the things

00:15:41.100 it is saying

00:15:41.820 is that several studies

00:15:43.080 have shown that

00:15:43.860 anti-prejudice norms

00:15:45.940 prevail in North America

00:15:47.100 and Western Europe,

00:15:48.460 and that in these democracies

00:15:49.780 people have often

00:15:50.940 had to hide

00:15:51.740 their negative attitudes

00:15:52.800 towards immigration

00:15:53.880 and ethnic minorities

00:15:55.380 because expressing them

00:15:56.760 could lead to

00:15:57.980 formal and informal

00:15:59.440 repercussions against them

00:16:00.960 as private citizens,

00:16:02.660 whereas it's saying

00:16:03.360 that the actual thing

00:16:04.680 is inverted in Japan,

00:16:06.180 but I will just dismiss that

00:16:07.640 on the fact that,

00:16:09.280 because basically

00:16:09.960 it's trying to contain it

00:16:10.960 and saying,

00:16:11.400 well, yeah,

00:16:11.900 we've had this from a poll,

00:16:13.600 but, you know,

00:16:14.560 the figures don't really

00:16:15.740 bear it out

00:16:16.300 and people are just

00:16:17.080 not being honest,

00:16:17.760 they're actually

00:16:18.180 pro-migration,

00:16:19.340 you see,

00:16:19.660 it's like,

00:16:20.000 okay,

00:16:20.220 why did Santa Kaichi

00:16:21.620 just win in the landslide

00:16:22.820 then?

00:16:23.540 Riddle me that.

00:16:24.500 And they can't really

00:16:25.600 seem to do that.

00:16:27.560 One thing people forget

00:16:29.000 to mention

00:16:29.580 in relation to Japan

00:16:30.560 is that they're

00:16:31.080 spiritually isolationist.

00:16:33.040 Like,

00:16:33.160 throughout most of their history,

00:16:34.860 they've not interacted

00:16:36.960 with barely anyone

00:16:38.620 outside of Japan.

00:16:39.600 I mean,

00:16:39.940 when Christianity

00:16:40.600 came to Japan,

00:16:43.760 the presidents

00:16:45.600 came over

00:16:46.140 and they said,

00:16:46.600 you know,

00:16:46.740 be wary of those Catholics,

00:16:48.300 they believe in the Pope,

00:16:49.400 and once they heard that,

00:16:50.760 the emperor freaked out

00:16:52.200 and just killed

00:16:52.980 all the Christians

00:16:53.660 and then just kicked out

00:16:55.200 all the Europeans,

00:16:56.880 basically.

00:16:57.900 So,

00:16:58.260 throughout their history,

00:16:59.600 they've been completely

00:17:00.620 anti-alien

00:17:01.700 and that doesn't

00:17:02.720 magically change

00:17:03.980 when you introduce

00:17:04.620 democracy,

00:17:05.000 when the American Empire

00:17:06.420 introduces democracy

00:17:07.360 to Japan.

00:17:08.900 There's still,

00:17:10.080 the isolationist spirit

00:17:11.460 still lies within them.

00:17:13.420 Yeah,

00:17:13.660 I think so,

00:17:14.280 but I think

00:17:15.600 that the Japanese history

00:17:16.800 proves that actually

00:17:18.240 homogeneity is good.

00:17:20.220 You know,

00:17:20.440 when Japan did close

00:17:21.500 its off to the rest

00:17:22.300 of the world

00:17:22.660 for 300 years,

00:17:23.680 it had

00:17:24.180 basically 300 years

00:17:26.380 of unbroken peace

00:17:27.660 and how many other countries?

00:17:28.800 Did they?

00:17:29.780 I thought there were

00:17:31.140 a number of civil wars

00:17:32.040 during that period,

00:17:32.960 but I might be wrong.

00:17:33.660 From what I understand,

00:17:34.580 all of the,

00:17:35.160 there were 150 years

00:17:36.780 of civil wars

00:17:37.560 leading up to that event,

00:17:38.720 but then once

00:17:40.180 it had all been

00:17:41.620 put to rest

00:17:42.560 with Tokugawa

00:17:43.980 Iyasu,

00:17:45.340 I think it was,

00:17:46.360 I think that dynasty

00:17:47.260 endured right up

00:17:48.240 until the Americans

00:17:49.120 arrived in the 1860s.

00:17:52.160 From what I understand,

00:17:53.180 I'm sure.

00:17:54.080 The main,

00:17:54.580 oh,

00:17:54.920 Samson's thumbs up

00:17:55.880 on me,

00:17:56.120 so I am right.

00:17:58.400 Yeah,

00:17:58.580 the main civil war

00:17:59.600 that they had,

00:18:00.180 I think was in the 1800s,

00:18:01.960 was,

00:18:02.860 and this was the biggest

00:18:03.520 civil war that Japan had,

00:18:05.200 when Matthew Perry

00:18:06.440 came along,

00:18:07.100 who was this American

00:18:07.880 sailor and said,

00:18:09.520 you should open up

00:18:10.540 your country.

00:18:10.960 So the war happened

00:18:12.080 and it was a war

00:18:14.000 between those

00:18:14.880 who wanted to open up

00:18:15.740 the country

00:18:16.160 and those who wanted

00:18:17.000 to be isolationist.

00:18:18.480 So the civil war

00:18:19.720 happened in

00:18:20.920 protecting Japan.

00:18:22.440 Having said that,

00:18:23.800 the people who wanted

00:18:25.160 to open it up

00:18:26.280 were right about one thing,

00:18:27.760 which is that

00:18:28.360 it is going to be opened up.

00:18:30.640 Powers far more powerful

00:18:32.060 than us,

00:18:32.680 i.e. the Americans,

00:18:33.740 have already decided

00:18:34.980 that this is to be our fate,

00:18:36.680 that we are going to modernize,

00:18:37.880 that we are going to do

00:18:38.660 all these things.

00:18:39.740 And so there is a caution

00:18:40.940 tale against absolute

00:18:42.260 isolationism in there as well,

00:18:44.420 in that it does leave you

00:18:45.740 weak to the force

00:18:47.640 of the outside world

00:18:48.780 and, you know,

00:18:50.020 you can't just exist

00:18:51.440 within a vacuum.

00:18:52.740 However...

00:18:53.180 Well, I mean,

00:18:53.440 and then following that,

00:18:55.100 I mean,

00:18:56.240 Japan very quickly centralized

00:18:58.420 following the Meiji Restoration

00:19:00.140 and all of the expansionism

00:19:02.020 and imperialism

00:19:02.860 following that

00:19:03.460 was essentially,

00:19:04.960 it was one,

00:19:05.780 an attempt to claim

00:19:06.800 what they saw as their right

00:19:08.180 to be the hegemen

00:19:08.960 of East Asia.

00:19:09.640 They wanted Manchuria,

00:19:11.400 they wanted Korea,

00:19:12.380 they wanted China.

00:19:13.560 They also were trying

00:19:15.140 to follow in the footsteps

00:19:16.220 of these great civilizations

00:19:17.620 that had forced them

00:19:18.720 to open up

00:19:19.740 that they saw

00:19:20.180 as great empires,

00:19:21.200 the European empires,

00:19:22.640 America,

00:19:23.340 which was slowly beginning

00:19:25.440 to expand

00:19:26.380 into a quasi-empire

00:19:28.220 at the time.

00:19:29.080 Particularly Britain as well.

00:19:30.200 Yeah, and Britain.

00:19:31.400 They saw all of that

00:19:32.160 as being admirable

00:19:33.140 and so they wanted

00:19:34.960 to emulate that as well

00:19:36.260 and of course

00:19:36.720 they were bombed out of that

00:19:38.080 during the Second World War

00:19:40.320 but it shows that

00:19:40.980 they are also

00:19:42.560 quite influenceable

00:19:45.820 in that sense.

00:19:47.540 Yes,

00:19:47.900 we have the words

00:19:49.040 of some of their politicians

00:19:50.540 saying that Europe

00:19:51.280 is a cautionary tale

00:19:52.580 but at the same time

00:19:53.860 different factions

00:19:54.640 within Japan

00:19:55.340 are probably going to see

00:19:56.480 what they see

00:19:57.800 as the benefits

00:19:58.720 of migration

00:19:59.680 on GDP

00:20:00.960 and the fact

00:20:01.940 that we're very

00:20:02.480 modern countries

00:20:03.400 and Japan wants

00:20:04.260 to be a very modern country.

00:20:05.840 They see the same problems

00:20:06.760 over here

00:20:07.280 as they're facing there

00:20:08.240 that being declining

00:20:09.040 birth rates,

00:20:09.940 worries about benefits

00:20:11.400 and dependencies

00:20:12.160 when people get old

00:20:13.280 because of their

00:20:13.760 massively aging population

00:20:14.920 and they see that

00:20:16.560 and go,

00:20:17.540 well I guess,

00:20:18.460 I mean if that's what

00:20:19.080 the West is doing

00:20:19.940 and we've always been able

00:20:20.920 to follow the West

00:20:21.780 and their example

00:20:22.620 then maybe we should

00:20:23.800 do that as well.

00:20:24.880 Yeah,

00:20:25.400 and that does seem

00:20:26.480 to have been

00:20:27.060 one of the threats

00:20:28.000 that was arising

00:20:29.680 among the consensus

00:20:31.240 of Japanese politics

00:20:32.420 for quite a long time.

00:20:33.620 That seemed to be

00:20:34.320 the trajectory

00:20:35.300 where things are going.

00:20:36.420 However,

00:20:37.220 in answer to your question

00:20:38.300 Harry about what

00:20:39.440 since winning that election

00:20:41.540 what gestures,

00:20:43.100 what direction

00:20:44.380 does it seem like

00:20:45.100 this particular government

00:20:46.020 are going to make?

00:20:47.260 Well,

00:20:47.660 it says here

00:20:48.400 that as of simply yesterday

00:20:50.460 the government

00:20:51.860 have approved a bill

00:20:53.260 to significantly raise

00:20:54.580 immigration fees

00:20:55.700 effectively increasing

00:20:57.240 the cost to renew

00:20:58.240 our change resident status

00:21:00.300 by more than tenfold

00:21:01.680 and the fee

00:21:02.580 for permanent residency

00:21:03.680 by twentyfold

00:21:04.840 That's quite a chump.

00:21:06.760 as well as the fact

00:21:07.920 that it seems like

00:21:09.020 there's a Japanese

00:21:11.300 electronic system

00:21:13.080 for travel authorisation

00:21:14.440 which is something

00:21:15.580 that's also going to

00:21:17.480 basically work

00:21:18.680 as a bit of a tariff

00:21:19.660 on foreign tourists

00:21:21.140 as well

00:21:21.720 and also one thing

00:21:23.740 as well

00:21:24.120 is that there will be

00:21:24.960 a pre-vetting

00:21:27.140 of people

00:21:27.900 before they come

00:21:28.680 into the country

00:21:29.460 and basically

00:21:30.680 criminal background checks

00:21:31.900 all these sorts of things

00:21:33.040 and they are going

00:21:34.480 to try and tighten

00:21:35.720 those sorts of things up.

00:21:37.440 Now,

00:21:37.700 am I suggesting

00:21:38.440 for a second

00:21:39.380 that this is enough?

00:21:40.600 Of course.

00:21:40.860 Yeah,

00:21:41.920 I mean,

00:21:42.140 just looking at the figures

00:21:43.300 here on the screen

00:21:44.760 in front of me

00:21:45.920 under the proposal

00:21:46.680 fees for visa status

00:21:47.940 changes would jump

00:21:48.820 from 6,000 yen

00:21:50.280 the equivalent

00:21:51.100 of $38

00:21:52.060 to as much as

00:21:53.720 70,000 yen

00:21:56.300 which would be what?

00:21:57.260 Like $450?

00:21:59.260 I suppose.

00:21:59.640 Cost for applying

00:22:00.760 for permanent residence

00:22:01.720 would climb

00:22:02.120 from 10,000 yen

00:22:03.440 to around

00:22:04.460 200,000 yen.

00:22:06.180 So,

00:22:07.500 that's still

00:22:08.580 what?

00:22:10.140 Just over $1,000?

00:22:11.620 That's like

00:22:12.360 $450-ish

00:22:14.160 and $1,000

00:22:15.820 that's not high enough

00:22:18.160 if you want to

00:22:19.080 really sell

00:22:19.620 although it will be

00:22:21.020 a barrier

00:22:21.840 for the absolute

00:22:23.160 lowest dredges

00:22:24.400 you would hope.

00:22:25.420 Yeah,

00:22:25.660 you would think so

00:22:26.620 that a lot of

00:22:27.420 the Kurdish migrants

00:22:28.780 who are causing

00:22:29.480 trouble in Tokyo

00:22:30.380 would be

00:22:31.880 you know

00:22:32.380 held back by this.

00:22:34.640 Yeah.

00:22:35.380 However,

00:22:36.180 there is also

00:22:37.180 this philosophy

00:22:38.220 that seems to be

00:22:38.980 going through

00:22:39.400 Tokaychi's government

00:22:40.280 of well-ordered

00:22:41.400 coexistence

00:22:42.440 as well.

00:22:43.480 It's basically

00:22:44.200 a policy

00:22:45.320 of integration

00:22:46.480 and not

00:22:48.400 you know

00:22:49.020 trying to

00:22:49.780 as we said

00:22:50.580 provide incentives

00:22:51.680 for people to leave

00:22:52.720 but rather to make sure

00:22:54.160 that the integration

00:22:54.960 of those who are

00:22:55.800 already there

00:22:56.460 is more

00:22:57.920 tightly done.

00:22:59.320 It's similar to

00:22:59.920 what you see in Denmark

00:23:01.040 with the Danish

00:23:02.400 is it the Social Democrats

00:23:03.700 who are in power

00:23:04.500 in Denmark right now?

00:23:05.700 where they've got

00:23:06.820 these policies

00:23:07.620 to try and break

00:23:08.440 down the ethnic

00:23:09.160 enclaves

00:23:09.760 but what that

00:23:10.260 actually means

00:23:11.760 and results in

00:23:13.260 practically

00:23:13.940 is a dispersal

00:23:15.280 of those communities

00:23:16.320 into the wider

00:23:17.820 Danish community

00:23:18.900 to force

00:23:19.960 a coexistence

00:23:21.200 to force

00:23:22.160 an integration

00:23:22.960 which

00:23:23.660 as we see

00:23:25.100 any time

00:23:25.800 forced integration

00:23:26.760 is attempted

00:23:27.820 unless those cultures

00:23:29.580 are already

00:23:30.380 incredibly similar

00:23:31.440 with one another

00:23:32.300 imagine the European

00:23:33.760 cultures

00:23:34.440 all going to America

00:23:35.460 and even then

00:23:36.240 it was quite difficult

00:23:36.960 you see a huge

00:23:38.360 communal breakdown

00:23:40.040 and the other thing

00:23:42.260 as well

00:23:42.600 just to add to this

00:23:44.140 is the fact that

00:23:45.120 with the foreign

00:23:46.940 population of Japan

00:23:48.000 still being

00:23:48.840 in the single digits

00:23:50.180 right

00:23:50.460 they're not like

00:23:51.060 we are where

00:23:51.760 it's about 27%

00:23:53.360 probably higher

00:23:54.360 at this point

00:23:55.180 higher than the

00:23:55.820 official statistics

00:23:56.800 are actually telling us

00:23:57.820 you still have time

00:23:59.320 Japan to decouple

00:24:00.700 yourself

00:24:01.280 from

00:24:02.320 you know

00:24:03.020 the path ahead

00:24:03.860 because the thing is

00:24:04.620 if you go down

00:24:05.260 this route

00:24:05.740 of trying to

00:24:07.200 assimilate

00:24:07.780 people into your

00:24:09.040 culture

00:24:09.400 it won't work

00:24:10.600 and I'd say this

00:24:11.820 purely out of

00:24:12.600 experience here

00:24:13.460 where in fact

00:24:14.420 it is the second

00:24:15.140 and third generation

00:24:16.220 immigrants

00:24:16.600 who are by far

00:24:17.780 the most radicalised

00:24:19.320 against your

00:24:20.200 civilisation

00:24:20.880 and

00:24:21.760 if anything

00:24:22.740 kind of have a

00:24:23.960 grudge against

00:24:25.320 their parents

00:24:25.860 for bringing them

00:24:26.580 and raising them

00:24:27.280 in the foreign

00:24:27.880 environment

00:24:28.440 away from their

00:24:29.080 homeland anyway

00:24:29.860 you will always

00:24:31.380 feel that

00:24:32.140 ancestral route

00:24:33.620 back to where

00:24:34.160 you come from

00:24:34.800 and you innately

00:24:35.960 know that

00:24:36.480 Japan will not

00:24:37.340 be it

00:24:37.800 no matter how

00:24:38.560 much welfare

00:24:39.340 or government

00:24:40.260 spending you

00:24:40.940 throw at the

00:24:41.880 question of

00:24:42.440 assimilation

00:24:43.060 and the other

00:24:43.920 thing as well

00:24:44.600 is that though

00:24:45.500 immigration is

00:24:47.040 being used

00:24:48.080 right now

00:24:48.680 from what the

00:24:50.060 Japanese government

00:24:50.760 see as a very

00:24:51.480 pragmatic angle

00:24:52.440 of basically

00:24:53.240 offsetting

00:24:54.600 the labour

00:24:55.520 shortages

00:24:56.040 and all these

00:24:56.760 sorts of things

00:24:57.360 the problem

00:24:57.860 is of course

00:24:58.740 that we've

00:25:00.140 had that

00:25:00.540 excuse here

00:25:01.220 in Europe

00:25:01.700 for many

00:25:02.300 many decades

00:25:02.960 now

00:25:03.320 and actually

00:25:04.160 the source

00:25:05.620 of that

00:25:05.980 and the way

00:25:06.360 that you

00:25:06.660 do it

00:25:07.320 to bring

00:25:07.980 in immigrants

00:25:08.540 to look

00:25:09.340 after the

00:25:09.760 elderly

00:25:10.100 well then

00:25:10.740 they stay

00:25:11.380 and then

00:25:12.180 they grow

00:25:12.620 old

00:25:12.880 and people

00:25:13.320 have to

00:25:13.720 come and

00:25:13.980 look after

00:25:14.380 them as

00:25:14.840 well

00:25:15.020 and on

00:25:15.460 and on

00:25:15.740 it goes

00:25:16.220 so actually

00:25:17.160 in going

00:25:17.800 in this

00:25:18.180 path

00:25:18.460 you set

00:25:19.220 yourself

00:25:19.600 down

00:25:20.020 committing

00:25:21.260 yourself

00:25:21.840 to it

00:25:22.240 and tying

00:25:23.240 your economy

00:25:23.980 to it

00:25:24.500 so inexorably

00:25:25.340 that it

00:25:26.500 becomes this

00:25:27.280 thing where

00:25:27.740 you've

00:25:28.240 kind of

00:25:28.820 immobilised

00:25:29.460 yourself

00:25:29.940 I will say

00:25:32.000 with all of

00:25:32.460 this

00:25:32.700 with the

00:25:33.160 evidence

00:25:33.460 that you

00:25:33.760 provided me

00:25:34.360 so far

00:25:34.940 I don't

00:25:35.580 see enough

00:25:36.240 to say

00:25:36.640 that there's

00:25:37.020 any kind

00:25:37.920 of betrayal

00:25:38.500 happening yet

00:25:39.840 obviously

00:25:40.320 she was sold

00:25:41.280 on very

00:25:41.740 big promises

00:25:42.340 on social

00:25:42.960 media

00:25:43.280 I still

00:25:44.380 don't see

00:25:44.780 anything

00:25:45.740 remotely

00:25:46.560 resembling

00:25:47.240 the kind

00:25:47.900 of

00:25:48.040 massive

00:25:48.880 policy

00:25:49.540 betrayal

00:25:50.020 that we

00:25:50.440 had under

00:25:50.880 somebody

00:25:51.260 like

00:25:51.620 Boris Johnson

00:25:52.420 or that

00:25:53.660 Italy is

00:25:54.600 experiencing

00:25:55.180 under

00:25:55.960 Maloney

00:25:56.500 who had

00:25:56.920 a similar

00:25:57.420 policy

00:25:57.860 as Boris

00:25:58.440 Johnson

00:25:58.780 to just

00:25:59.740 over the

00:26:00.180 next three

00:26:00.740 years in

00:26:01.200 Italy

00:26:01.440 bring in

00:26:02.080 half a million

00:26:02.940 legal migrants

00:26:03.820 mainly from

00:26:04.700 India and

00:26:05.260 Africa

00:26:05.600 and since

00:26:06.420 2023

00:26:07.060 has already

00:26:07.960 issued

00:26:08.760 almost half

00:26:09.420 a million

00:26:09.720 visas for

00:26:10.480 people from

00:26:10.980 that same

00:26:11.300 level

00:26:11.480 this

00:26:12.240 doesn't seem

00:26:13.380 to be

00:26:13.740 anywhere near

00:26:14.360 that same

00:26:14.860 level

00:26:15.160 if

00:26:15.480 honestly

00:26:16.220 I don't

00:26:16.480 really see

00:26:16.900 that much

00:26:17.520 evidence

00:26:17.920 as of yet

00:26:18.880 anyway

00:26:19.740 I will also

00:26:20.700 say

00:26:20.940 it makes

00:26:21.740 complete sense

00:26:22.580 why Japan

00:26:23.220 is introducing

00:26:23.960 these reforms

00:26:25.220 in relation

00:26:26.000 to immigration

00:26:26.600 because the

00:26:27.600 foreigners

00:26:27.880 that are

00:26:28.160 coming over

00:26:28.580 even European

00:26:29.940 foreigners

00:26:30.340 don't speak

00:26:30.900 like a word

00:26:31.480 of Japanese

00:26:32.020 and English

00:26:33.540 Japanese

00:26:34.760 being able

00:26:35.220 to speak

00:26:35.520 English

00:26:35.920 it's

00:26:36.800 extremely

00:26:37.540 low

00:26:38.260 so when

00:26:39.360 you have

00:26:39.600 two people

00:26:40.220 that can't

00:26:40.880 communicate

00:26:41.480 to each

00:26:42.540 other

00:26:42.720 it's going

00:26:43.060 to cause

00:26:43.340 major

00:26:43.800 problems

00:26:44.480 so it

00:26:45.740 makes sense

00:26:46.240 why they're

00:26:47.480 putting taxes

00:26:48.900 basically on

00:26:49.600 tourists

00:26:50.080 and putting

00:26:50.740 these reforms

00:26:51.420 forward

00:26:51.900 yes

00:26:52.380 it seems

00:26:53.660 that this

00:26:53.980 article that

00:26:54.540 we have

00:26:54.920 here is

00:26:55.280 basically

00:26:55.640 saying

00:26:56.180 that

00:26:56.440 her rise

00:26:57.720 reflects

00:26:58.060 a party

00:26:58.420 still guided

00:26:58.880 by short

00:26:59.320 term

00:26:59.600 electoral

00:27:00.120 calculations

00:27:00.720 rather than

00:27:01.280 the vision

00:27:01.600 Japan needs

00:27:02.740 until that

00:27:03.620 changes the

00:27:04.100 debate over

00:27:04.620 foreign

00:27:04.940 resident

00:27:05.300 policy

00:27:05.780 will remain

00:27:06.660 reactive

00:27:07.540 divisive

00:27:08.280 and ultimately

00:27:09.160 inadequate

00:27:09.680 and what this

00:27:10.140 sounds like

00:27:10.620 is it's saying

00:27:11.160 that she's not

00:27:12.460 yet put a pin

00:27:13.520 on the question

00:27:14.800 she's not yet

00:27:15.980 solved the question

00:27:17.160 for all time

00:27:18.180 within Japan

00:27:19.140 and as wary

00:27:20.660 as I am

00:27:21.280 of populist

00:27:21.960 parties

00:27:22.400 these days

00:27:23.160 and as

00:27:23.540 much as

00:27:25.460 I'm aware

00:27:26.040 of populist

00:27:27.400 parties

00:27:27.760 betraying

00:27:28.460 western

00:27:28.860 countries

00:27:29.420 I would

00:27:30.220 still say

00:27:31.060 there needs

00:27:32.200 to be

00:27:32.460 time

00:27:32.800 given

00:27:33.180 to

00:27:33.400 Takaichi

00:27:34.340 Takaichi

00:27:35.660 before we

00:27:38.580 can say

00:27:38.980 for definite

00:27:39.480 what effect

00:27:40.760 she's going

00:27:41.040 to have

00:27:41.240 on Japan

00:27:41.600 going forward

00:27:42.240 I absolutely

00:27:43.140 agree with

00:27:43.640 that verdict

00:27:44.140 I think

00:27:44.880 thus far

00:27:45.420 there's no

00:27:46.280 significant

00:27:47.760 signals of

00:27:49.160 betrayal

00:27:49.540 I think

00:27:50.220 it's simply

00:27:50.900 a difference

00:27:53.340 of expectation

00:27:54.420 from viral

00:27:56.960 voters

00:27:57.440 versus what

00:27:58.220 was promised

00:27:58.980 in the

00:27:59.280 campaigning

00:27:59.800 I do

00:28:00.960 think

00:28:01.240 obviously

00:28:01.700 things will

00:28:02.700 be done

00:28:02.980 to get

00:28:03.400 rid of

00:28:03.800 the worst

00:28:04.320 foreigners

00:28:04.700 and the

00:28:05.020 people

00:28:05.340 there is

00:28:05.900 going to

00:28:06.260 be

00:28:06.780 crackdowns

00:28:07.720 on those

00:28:08.560 particular

00:28:09.060 delinquents

00:28:10.060 but I

00:28:11.100 will just

00:28:11.420 say as

00:28:11.760 well

00:28:11.900 and there's

00:28:12.120 a reason

00:28:12.400 I've got

00:28:12.800 this final

00:28:13.300 piece up

00:28:13.840 which is

00:28:14.220 from the

00:28:14.780 Australian

00:28:15.980 National

00:28:16.420 University

00:28:17.040 it's

00:28:17.320 from the

00:28:17.760 Crawford

00:28:18.600 sorry

00:28:19.100 just scroll

00:28:19.580 to the top

00:28:20.120 again for me

00:28:20.600 oh yes

00:28:20.960 sorry

00:28:21.240 that's

00:28:21.520 right

00:28:21.740 the Crawford

00:28:22.540 School

00:28:22.800 of Public

00:28:23.260 Policy

00:28:23.640 which is

00:28:24.460 obviously

00:28:24.880 an Australian

00:28:25.380 university

00:28:25.960 that puts

00:28:27.300 forward

00:28:27.580 public policy

00:28:28.360 now this

00:28:29.040 entire

00:28:29.800 article

00:28:30.000 is basically

00:28:30.980 pleading for

00:28:33.780 Japan to

00:28:34.280 open itself

00:28:34.920 up and say

00:28:35.600 to ignore

00:28:36.040 the fear

00:28:36.460 mongering

00:28:36.960 let more

00:28:37.800 people in

00:28:38.380 in fact

00:28:38.840 it goes

00:28:39.180 on to say

00:28:39.640 here

00:28:39.900 Japan's

00:28:40.700 future

00:28:41.020 cannot be

00:28:41.680 secured

00:28:42.140 through

00:28:42.760 cultural

00:28:43.300 defensiveness

00:28:44.020 alone

00:28:44.480 true

00:28:45.120 coexistence

00:28:45.960 means

00:28:46.240 treating

00:28:46.680 foreigners

00:28:47.160 as

00:28:47.480 community

00:28:47.980 members

00:28:48.460 and equal

00:28:49.260 stakeholders

00:28:50.080 not merely

00:28:51.120 as disposable

00:28:51.860 labour

00:28:52.380 it requires

00:28:53.420 investment

00:28:53.920 in language

00:28:54.580 and skills

00:28:55.100 programs

00:28:55.620 rights

00:28:56.020 protections

00:28:56.600 and civic

00:28:57.340 participation

00:28:58.620 so what

00:28:59.480 it's basically

00:28:59.940 saying is

00:29:00.540 Japan needs

00:29:01.740 to erect

00:29:02.680 an entire

00:29:03.480 apparatus

00:29:04.740 of legislation

00:29:06.220 and welfare

00:29:06.820 to bind

00:29:08.000 these foreigners

00:29:09.160 to Japan

00:29:09.940 and give them

00:29:10.640 an equal stake

00:29:11.880 and therefore

00:29:13.020 an equal voice

00:29:14.140 as a Japanese

00:29:15.620 citizen whose

00:29:16.500 family has lived

00:29:17.860 there for thousands

00:29:18.540 and thousands

00:29:19.100 of years

00:29:19.640 and so

00:29:20.760 the only reason

00:29:21.740 I bring

00:29:22.080 this article

00:29:22.540 up

00:29:22.820 is not

00:29:23.200 just to

00:29:23.600 say

00:29:23.860 it's not

00:29:24.660 just

00:29:25.060 to your

00:29:25.740 own

00:29:25.920 politicians

00:29:26.380 that you

00:29:26.840 need to

00:29:27.160 look to

00:29:27.600 but it's

00:29:28.440 also to

00:29:28.940 the fact

00:29:29.300 that we

00:29:29.860 do live

00:29:30.340 in a

00:29:30.660 global

00:29:30.980 world

00:29:31.460 and they

00:29:32.480 will look

00:29:33.000 at the

00:29:33.600 homogeneity

00:29:34.360 of Japan

00:29:34.940 they will

00:29:35.880 look towards

00:29:36.780 its

00:29:37.440 cultural

00:29:39.700 confidence

00:29:40.280 and they

00:29:41.120 will seek

00:29:41.540 to take

00:29:41.920 that from

00:29:42.400 you

00:29:42.620 give it

00:29:43.340 to other

00:29:43.680 people

00:29:44.060 who aren't

00:29:44.620 worthy of

00:29:45.140 it and whose

00:29:45.660 birthright

00:29:46.200 it isn't

00:29:46.840 and they

00:29:47.820 will make

00:29:48.240 things much

00:29:48.860 more miserable

00:29:49.340 for you

00:29:49.860 so do

00:29:51.360 continue to

00:29:52.360 hold the

00:29:53.200 government to

00:29:53.700 account where

00:29:54.360 you can

00:29:54.780 obviously

00:29:55.220 and best

00:29:57.360 of luck

00:29:57.680 with you

00:29:58.120 all right

00:30:00.400 then

00:30:00.720 that's by

00:30:01.660 Yasuo

00:30:02.620 Takao

00:30:03.520 or how have

00:30:04.280 you pronounced

00:30:04.680 it I'm sorry

00:30:05.300 I'm bad

00:30:05.760 I'm bad

00:30:06.200 with this

00:30:06.580 it's always

00:30:07.600 distressing

00:30:08.300 and depressing

00:30:08.960 when you see

00:30:09.540 people of

00:30:10.420 the

00:30:10.880 Japanese

00:30:11.800 like actual

00:30:12.660 Japanese people

00:30:13.540 begging

00:30:14.440 like what

00:30:15.040 are you begging

00:30:16.200 for

00:30:16.740 the complete

00:30:18.060 sublimation

00:30:18.680 and destruction

00:30:19.180 of your own

00:30:19.620 country

00:30:19.960 Mishima was

00:30:20.540 white when he

00:30:21.080 said the

00:30:21.960 Japanese spirit

00:30:22.700 died when

00:30:23.400 America nuked

00:30:24.260 Japan

00:30:25.180 it's very true

00:30:27.380 the fact that

00:30:27.780 they gave in

00:30:28.580 to unconditional

00:30:29.620 surrender which

00:30:30.500 was such a

00:30:32.140 foreign concept

00:30:33.480 to the

00:30:34.780 Japanese for

00:30:35.500 basically their

00:30:36.120 entire history

00:30:37.100 up until that

00:30:38.460 point they

00:30:38.760 considered

00:30:39.300 themselves the

00:30:39.980 nation the

00:30:40.640 people that

00:30:41.560 had never

00:30:41.920 lost a war

00:30:42.660 even when

00:30:43.940 they'd had to

00:30:44.460 pull back

00:30:44.960 from some

00:30:45.500 conflicts

00:30:46.100 it would

00:30:46.700 always been

00:30:47.240 framed in

00:30:47.900 the way

00:30:48.320 that no

00:30:48.800 we're making

00:30:49.520 this decision

00:30:50.160 for our own

00:30:50.860 reasons we've

00:30:51.360 not been forced

00:30:52.020 into doing

00:30:52.560 this the fact

00:30:53.580 that they were

00:30:54.000 forced into

00:30:55.240 unconditional

00:30:55.960 surrender at

00:30:57.800 the behest of

00:30:58.400 a foreign

00:30:58.780 power when

00:30:59.780 they also

00:31:00.300 didn't know

00:31:00.980 what was going

00:31:01.460 to happen to

00:31:02.200 the imperial

00:31:03.040 and emperor

00:31:03.760 system at

00:31:04.920 the time as

00:31:05.380 well must

00:31:06.120 have been such

00:31:06.960 a national

00:31:07.980 humiliation to

00:31:09.100 be traumatizing

00:31:10.080 for generations

00:31:10.820 to come

00:31:11.280 where has the

00:31:11.820 spirit of the

00:31:12.380 samurai gone

00:31:13.120 and so from

00:31:15.860 rumble

00:31:16.240 okidor says

00:31:17.640 a tale of

00:31:18.160 two extremes

00:31:18.880 true and

00:31:19.880 sigil stone

00:31:20.540 this is a

00:31:20.900 funny one

00:31:21.220 why does

00:31:21.980 today's panel

00:31:22.560 look like

00:31:23.120 you're all

00:31:23.600 about to

00:31:23.960 jump in the

00:31:24.440 coal powered

00:31:24.980 derisable and

00:31:25.700 try to go

00:31:26.260 around the

00:31:26.640 world in

00:31:26.980 80 days

00:31:27.500 because we

00:31:28.360 are sigil stone

00:31:29.580 because we

00:31:30.340 are yes

00:31:31.020 that's what

00:31:31.560 all of your

00:31:32.120 subscriptions

00:31:32.820 are going

00:31:33.440 to our

00:31:34.700 derisable

00:31:35.260 fund our

00:31:36.060 new documentary

00:31:37.540 where we go

00:31:39.160 and point at

00:31:39.880 foreigners across

00:31:40.980 the world over

00:31:41.940 80 days

00:31:42.820 carl pilkington

00:31:44.060 style

00:31:44.500 just like the

00:31:45.440 novel

00:31:45.700 and i just

00:31:46.580 say no i'm

00:31:47.420 not a fan of

00:31:47.860 that

00:31:48.400 not like that

00:31:49.480 not one bit

00:31:50.380 anyway let's go

00:31:51.800 to the next

00:31:52.640 segment please

00:31:53.240 i've got my

00:31:53.940 box

00:31:54.240 thank you very

00:31:56.300 much

00:31:56.640 so looking

00:31:59.020 at EU

00:32:00.260 looking at

00:32:02.240 the EU

00:32:03.680 recently

00:32:04.240 there are a

00:32:05.120 few developments

00:32:05.740 some of them

00:32:06.620 good with a

00:32:07.940 lot of potential

00:32:08.600 for the future

00:32:09.280 and some of them

00:32:10.360 very very bad

00:32:11.740 with potentially

00:32:12.640 long term

00:32:13.600 consequences

00:32:14.400 for the future

00:32:15.620 as well

00:32:16.420 now go through

00:32:17.020 the good news

00:32:17.760 first and then

00:32:18.880 i will take us

00:32:19.480 on to the bad

00:32:20.400 news and what

00:32:21.360 it might mean

00:32:22.000 so the good

00:32:22.480 news is that

00:32:23.800 shockingly

00:32:24.700 EU lawmakers

00:32:26.000 this is people

00:32:26.820 within the

00:32:27.380 European parliament

00:32:28.420 have backed

00:32:29.260 tougher deportation

00:32:30.520 rules for

00:32:31.140 illegal migrants

00:32:32.300 these are reforms

00:32:33.320 which have been

00:32:34.440 voted on

00:32:35.200 by the

00:32:37.040 council

00:32:37.780 i forget the

00:32:38.900 name of the

00:32:39.720 particular council

00:32:40.700 in here

00:32:41.400 one of the

00:32:42.380 councils within

00:32:43.440 the European

00:32:44.680 parliament

00:32:45.520 apologies

00:32:46.280 friends

00:32:46.960 the parliament

00:32:48.020 civil liberties

00:32:48.940 committee

00:32:49.740 that's it

00:32:50.480 they passed

00:32:51.220 the proposal

00:32:52.180 on monday

00:32:53.160 by 41 votes

00:32:54.280 to 32

00:32:54.920 with one

00:32:55.760 abstention

00:32:56.300 reflecting a

00:32:57.120 growing shift

00:32:57.660 in brussels

00:32:58.160 towards stricter

00:32:58.880 migration

00:32:59.460 enforcement

00:33:00.220 and this

00:33:00.720 would be

00:33:01.320 for the

00:33:02.180 proposal

00:33:02.580 to have

00:33:03.480 tougher

00:33:03.960 rules

00:33:04.400 to deport

00:33:05.140 illegal

00:33:05.980 migrants

00:33:06.900 and would

00:33:07.600 approve

00:33:08.060 reforms

00:33:08.660 and enforcing

00:33:09.440 return orders

00:33:10.220 that have

00:33:10.880 often

00:33:11.220 gone

00:33:11.740 ignored

00:33:12.120 now this

00:33:12.500 is not a

00:33:13.000 cure-all

00:33:13.460 this does

00:33:13.840 not do

00:33:14.220 anything to

00:33:14.680 solve the

00:33:15.140 problem

00:33:15.460 of legal

00:33:16.260 migration

00:33:16.800 into European

00:33:17.960 countries

00:33:18.500 but of course

00:33:19.200 when you have

00:33:19.600 a huge

00:33:20.020 body of

00:33:20.460 water

00:33:20.780 like the

00:33:21.540 Mediterranean

00:33:21.940 where people

00:33:22.700 just cross

00:33:23.220 every single

00:33:24.040 day

00:33:24.360 and then use

00:33:25.160 the Shenzhen

00:33:25.640 zone to try

00:33:26.340 and jump

00:33:27.400 from one

00:33:27.820 country to

00:33:28.320 another

00:33:28.600 take advantage

00:33:29.500 of each

00:33:29.940 system

00:33:30.340 until they

00:33:31.160 can find

00:33:31.500 the one

00:33:31.760 that suits

00:33:32.120 them best

00:33:32.520 this is a

00:33:33.540 step in

00:33:33.940 the right

00:33:34.220 direction

00:33:34.620 and as

00:33:35.340 they say

00:33:35.720 here

00:33:35.980 also does

00:33:36.940 reflect

00:33:37.380 something

00:33:37.920 of a

00:33:38.400 change

00:33:38.860 in views

00:33:39.640 for some

00:33:40.480 parts

00:33:40.960 of the

00:33:41.560 European

00:33:41.960 Parliament

00:33:42.560 because the

00:33:43.500 coalitions that

00:33:44.260 have existed

00:33:44.740 within the

00:33:45.200 European Parliament

00:33:46.100 for a long

00:33:46.560 time where it's

00:33:47.080 been the centre

00:33:47.680 in coalition

00:33:48.720 with the

00:33:49.380 left

00:33:49.700 seem to be

00:33:50.660 shifting more

00:33:51.260 to the

00:33:51.820 centre in

00:33:52.420 coalition

00:33:52.820 with the

00:33:53.880 centre

00:33:54.400 right

00:33:54.860 and the

00:33:56.140 people who

00:33:56.660 exist in

00:33:57.260 that sphere

00:33:57.760 in the

00:33:58.620 European

00:33:58.920 Parliament

00:33:59.260 so Swedish

00:33:59.880 MEP

00:34:00.860 Charles

00:34:01.320 Weimers

00:34:01.840 who has

00:34:02.440 been pushing

00:34:02.900 for this

00:34:03.540 has said

00:34:04.640 that the

00:34:04.960 vote sends

00:34:05.420 a clear

00:34:05.720 signal that

00:34:06.180 attitudes in

00:34:06.720 Parliament

00:34:06.940 are changing

00:34:07.480 he gave

00:34:07.880 a little

00:34:08.120 speech

00:34:08.620 which if

00:34:09.620 you go to

00:34:09.960 the link

00:34:10.260 below the

00:34:10.680 podcast

00:34:10.980 you can

00:34:11.460 find here

00:34:12.000 he's speaking

00:34:12.440 to journalists

00:34:13.040 and explaining

00:34:13.620 the whole

00:34:14.420 thing

00:34:14.660 so what

00:34:15.520 does this

00:34:15.900 do

00:34:16.140 what would

00:34:17.540 these

00:34:17.900 proposals

00:34:18.480 do

00:34:19.200 if they

00:34:20.000 were put

00:34:20.380 into

00:34:20.820 European

00:34:21.480 legislation

00:34:22.120 well it

00:34:22.700 would allow

00:34:23.120 for longer

00:34:23.940 detention

00:34:24.420 for migrants

00:34:25.100 who refuse

00:34:25.640 to cooperate

00:34:26.160 with return

00:34:26.800 procedures

00:34:27.240 and introduce

00:34:27.760 deportation

00:34:28.400 orders

00:34:28.740 recognised

00:34:29.540 across the

00:34:30.700 Shenzhen

00:34:31.060 area

00:34:31.420 now that

00:34:31.800 would be

00:34:32.080 a change

00:34:32.520 from the

00:34:32.800 current

00:34:33.020 system

00:34:33.440 where they

00:34:34.240 are

00:34:34.480 unique to

00:34:36.560 each

00:34:36.780 nation

00:34:37.160 so people

00:34:38.280 can go

00:34:38.900 apply for

00:34:40.000 asylum in

00:34:40.520 one country

00:34:41.080 it gets

00:34:41.540 rejected

00:34:41.960 so they

00:34:42.420 just go to

00:34:42.840 the next

00:34:43.120 country over

00:34:43.760 apply for

00:34:44.520 asylum there

00:34:45.240 and keep

00:34:45.960 going and

00:34:46.500 being rejected

00:34:47.200 and they

00:34:47.580 prolong their

00:34:48.300 time within

00:34:49.120 Europe in

00:34:49.820 that way

00:34:50.300 this means

00:34:51.080 that they're

00:34:51.380 universal

00:34:51.860 so you

00:34:52.260 can't just

00:34:52.620 apply for

00:34:53.200 you can't

00:34:53.840 just go

00:34:54.120 into Italy

00:34:54.640 and apply

00:34:55.320 for asylum

00:34:55.900 and if

00:34:56.480 they reject

00:34:57.060 it you

00:34:57.840 catch the

00:34:58.380 next boat

00:34:58.840 over to

00:34:59.260 Greece

00:34:59.600 no that

00:35:00.740 means that

00:35:01.320 in Greece

00:35:02.060 in Germany

00:35:03.180 in France

00:35:04.400 anywhere you

00:35:05.620 go those

00:35:06.340 orders will

00:35:07.140 still apply

00:35:08.060 so you can't

00:35:08.760 just try and

00:35:09.180 get out of

00:35:09.620 it that way

00:35:10.120 and the

00:35:10.700 longer the

00:35:11.060 detention

00:35:11.380 period would

00:35:12.040 be up to

00:35:12.620 24 months

00:35:13.580 and they're

00:35:14.320 trying to

00:35:15.020 organise a

00:35:15.940 similar kind

00:35:16.620 of thing

00:35:16.880 that we

00:35:17.120 saw with

00:35:18.240 Britain

00:35:18.900 with the

00:35:20.440 Rwanda

00:35:21.560 agreement

00:35:22.060 so we'll

00:35:22.560 see how

00:35:23.060 that ends

00:35:23.460 up going

00:35:23.880 but I know

00:35:24.320 that Italy

00:35:24.820 has their

00:35:25.340 own agreement

00:35:25.920 with Albania

00:35:26.860 which is

00:35:27.680 supposedly

00:35:28.560 going a bit

00:35:29.540 better than

00:35:30.040 the Rwanda

00:35:30.580 agreement

00:35:31.060 was

00:35:31.580 making deals

00:35:32.400 with Albanians

00:35:33.240 can only ever

00:35:34.120 end well

00:35:34.660 hey all the

00:35:35.120 worst ones

00:35:35.540 moved here

00:35:36.100 so it can't

00:35:36.580 be that bad

00:35:37.140 right

00:35:37.400 so there are

00:35:39.980 new plans

00:35:40.900 for that

00:35:41.320 and it would

00:35:41.600 be a 24

00:35:42.180 month detention

00:35:43.040 period which

00:35:43.940 could really

00:35:44.680 incentivise people

00:35:45.800 to leave

00:35:46.580 reading through

00:35:47.140 some of the

00:35:47.460 rest of this

00:35:47.960 according to

00:35:48.380 Wymer's the

00:35:48.720 majority that

00:35:49.280 backed the

00:35:49.560 proposal

00:35:49.980 including groups

00:35:50.780 such as the

00:35:51.260 ECR

00:35:51.660 PPE

00:35:52.080 Patriots

00:35:52.640 and ESN

00:35:53.500 reflects a change

00:35:54.420 from the

00:35:54.640 parliament's

00:35:54.980 traditionally

00:35:55.420 more lenient

00:35:56.540 stance on

00:35:57.020 migration issues

00:35:57.940 that's saying

00:35:59.080 something

00:35:59.500 the measure

00:36:00.940 is part of

00:36:01.600 wider changes

00:36:02.280 to EU migration

00:36:03.160 policy under

00:36:03.820 the pact on

00:36:04.540 migration and

00:36:05.480 asylum but

00:36:06.440 focuses more

00:36:07.540 on one of

00:36:08.360 the system's

00:36:09.160 biggest problems

00:36:09.860 deportation orders

00:36:10.920 that just aren't

00:36:12.100 enforced which

00:36:13.140 kind of negates

00:36:14.040 the point of

00:36:14.540 deportation for

00:36:15.860 orders in the

00:36:16.620 first place

00:36:17.040 for years

00:36:18.020 thousands of

00:36:18.580 migrants who

00:36:19.040 asylum's

00:36:19.520 requests have

00:36:20.300 been rejected

00:36:21.300 have remained

00:36:21.860 in Europe

00:36:22.240 because authorities

00:36:23.000 struggled to

00:36:23.900 carry out

00:36:24.440 return

00:36:25.300 decision

00:36:25.960 the reform

00:36:26.420 is meant

00:36:26.660 to tackle

00:36:27.020 this by

00:36:27.340 speeding up

00:36:27.860 the procedures

00:36:28.320 and increasing

00:36:28.800 pressure to

00:36:29.840 ensure expulsion

00:36:30.660 orders are

00:36:31.320 actually enforced

00:36:32.140 one of the

00:36:32.780 key changes is

00:36:33.500 the introduction

00:36:34.060 of a legal

00:36:34.680 duty for

00:36:35.240 migrants who

00:36:36.040 receive a

00:36:36.500 return order

00:36:37.260 to cooperate

00:36:38.280 with authorities

00:36:39.420 those ordered

00:36:40.280 to leave the

00:36:40.900 EU will be

00:36:41.560 required to

00:36:42.080 assist officials

00:36:42.920 in arranging

00:36:43.540 their own

00:36:44.480 departure

00:36:45.200 and one of

00:36:46.420 the ways that

00:36:46.920 they will

00:36:47.340 enforce that is

00:36:48.280 if you don't

00:36:48.880 cooperate with

00:36:49.620 them then they

00:36:50.600 will just put

00:36:51.080 you in

00:36:51.360 detention

00:36:51.760 that is what

00:36:53.060 the extended

00:36:53.540 detention

00:36:54.020 period is

00:36:55.320 for supposedly

00:36:56.420 and EU

00:36:57.920 countries will

00:36:58.420 be able to

00:36:58.760 detain illegal

00:36:59.500 migrants for

00:36:59.940 up to 24

00:37:00.360 months if

00:37:00.760 there's a

00:37:01.040 risk they

00:37:01.480 may disappear

00:37:02.120 before deportation

00:37:03.520 or refuse to

00:37:04.400 cooperate with

00:37:05.000 the authorities

00:37:05.520 or pose a

00:37:06.360 security risk

00:37:07.120 so you would

00:37:07.940 hope that

00:37:08.600 European

00:37:09.760 departments and

00:37:11.720 agencies around

00:37:12.820 the entire

00:37:13.580 continent who

00:37:14.340 all have their

00:37:15.100 own intelligence

00:37:16.220 agencies like

00:37:17.160 we have in

00:37:17.820 Prevent that

00:37:19.140 mark out people's

00:37:20.240 potential terror

00:37:20.880 threats that

00:37:21.440 they would

00:37:21.700 immediately be

00:37:22.620 picked up

00:37:23.220 you would hope

00:37:24.000 that that was

00:37:24.620 what would

00:37:25.060 happen under

00:37:26.180 this the text

00:37:27.020 also allows

00:37:27.740 alternatives to

00:37:28.700 detention including

00:37:29.640 regular reporting

00:37:30.600 to authorities

00:37:31.200 residents in a

00:37:32.500 designated location

00:37:33.540 financial guarantees

00:37:34.900 or electronic

00:37:35.840 monitoring the

00:37:36.800 reform would also

00:37:37.500 introduce a

00:37:38.220 European return

00:37:39.400 order again

00:37:40.840 recognized across

00:37:41.700 the entire

00:37:42.300 European zone

00:37:43.480 deportation

00:37:45.520 issues by

00:37:47.140 one EU

00:37:47.800 country would

00:37:48.560 be entered into

00:37:49.260 the Schengen

00:37:49.880 information system

00:37:51.060 and recognized

00:37:51.620 by the member

00:37:52.600 states

00:37:52.980 they say in

00:37:55.180 this article

00:37:55.680 the reforms

00:37:56.380 approved in

00:37:56.880 committee are

00:37:57.660 intended to

00:37:58.520 close the gaps

00:37:59.800 on the amount

00:38:00.680 of deportation

00:38:01.480 issues ordered

00:38:02.200 versus people

00:38:02.920 actually sent

00:38:03.640 though whether

00:38:04.400 it will

00:38:04.680 significantly

00:38:05.140 increase

00:38:05.680 deportations

00:38:06.360 remains to

00:38:06.760 be seen

00:38:06.980 now one

00:38:07.740 thing that

00:38:08.040 they don't

00:38:08.380 mention is

00:38:08.940 this is still

00:38:09.680 up for a

00:38:10.340 vote this

00:38:10.720 is the

00:38:11.160 committee's

00:38:11.820 proposal but

00:38:12.640 the actual

00:38:13.100 legislation

00:38:13.800 being put

00:38:14.780 forward is

00:38:15.620 still up for

00:38:16.260 a vote by

00:38:16.900 MEPs

00:38:17.700 there are

00:38:18.180 also some

00:38:19.140 additions that

00:38:20.580 they want to

00:38:21.100 add to it but

00:38:21.720 interestingly some

00:38:22.740 of the additions

00:38:23.340 are actually

00:38:24.000 slightly more

00:38:24.780 hard line so

00:38:26.140 we'll see where

00:38:26.940 this goes within

00:38:27.920 the European

00:38:28.520 parliament because

00:38:29.460 it could be a

00:38:30.540 good disincentive

00:38:31.700 to illegal

00:38:33.020 migration into

00:38:34.320 the European

00:38:34.880 zone itself if

00:38:36.560 they know that

00:38:37.400 if they get here

00:38:38.240 and they get

00:38:39.120 caught and their

00:38:39.680 asylum is rejected

00:38:40.540 that they're just

00:38:41.100 going to be

00:38:41.600 treated rather

00:38:43.180 brutally of course

00:38:45.480 people are already

00:38:46.200 complaining about

00:38:46.920 this there's

00:38:49.440 this article from

00:38:50.200 the EU

00:38:50.740 observer saying

00:38:51.800 that the EU

00:38:52.560 is building a

00:38:53.160 dystopian

00:38:53.800 surveillance driven

00:38:55.220 deportation

00:38:56.500 machine now

00:38:57.280 there is some

00:38:58.080 I was against

00:38:58.680 it till the

00:38:59.220 penultimate word

00:39:00.080 yeah well there

00:39:01.420 is there is some

00:39:02.680 concern to be

00:39:03.700 fair about the

00:39:05.060 involvement as

00:39:05.920 they mention

00:39:06.500 down here of

00:39:07.620 organizations like

00:39:08.920 Palantir and

00:39:10.480 other big tech

00:39:11.880 industries like

00:39:12.620 Clearview AI and

00:39:13.740 Geo Group there is

00:39:14.620 always the concern

00:39:15.660 that a system

00:39:16.720 that gets built

00:39:17.380 to deliver this

00:39:18.360 kind of deportation

00:39:19.460 system will then

00:39:20.180 be turned back

00:39:20.940 around on the

00:39:21.720 populace and

00:39:22.760 turned into a

00:39:23.520 surveillance state

00:39:24.800 for the native

00:39:26.260 citizens of

00:39:27.240 whichever EU

00:39:27.980 country

00:39:28.440 it's interesting

00:39:29.100 that you know

00:39:29.780 the literally

00:39:30.720 1984 argument

00:39:32.220 is applied here

00:39:33.660 when it works

00:39:34.360 for them

00:39:34.760 and when you

00:39:35.800 want to keep

00:39:36.180 your country safe

00:39:37.000 from people you

00:39:38.480 have no idea

00:39:39.200 where they come

00:39:39.660 from who they

00:39:40.500 are and what

00:39:42.380 their past is

00:39:43.260 then you're

00:39:44.640 a tyrannical

00:39:47.580 government for

00:39:49.220 wanting to keep

00:39:49.760 your people safe

00:39:50.580 well that's the

00:39:52.440 thing is that the

00:39:53.140 surveillance machine

00:39:54.100 sadly has already

00:39:55.420 been built

00:39:56.140 Palantir are

00:39:57.960 already involved in

00:39:59.140 European politics

00:40:00.060 in fact Alex Karp

00:40:01.260 their CEO says

00:40:02.600 that Palantir is

00:40:03.840 the only reason

00:40:04.920 that European

00:40:05.880 far-right

00:40:06.580 parties haven't

00:40:08.280 already taken power

00:40:09.340 in most European

00:40:10.380 countries

00:40:11.020 the meaning

00:40:12.460 behind that

00:40:13.360 was left very

00:40:14.080 ambiguous in the

00:40:15.560 statement it was

00:40:16.160 kind of an offhand

00:40:16.940 remark but if

00:40:17.940 you're worried

00:40:18.440 about the

00:40:19.020 surveillance driven

00:40:20.020 tech state

00:40:20.960 then where were

00:40:22.680 you for the past

00:40:23.540 10 years

00:40:24.300 it's only all of a

00:40:26.060 sudden when it's

00:40:27.140 going to be

00:40:27.540 deporting people

00:40:28.460 that you show

00:40:29.100 some kind of

00:40:29.740 concern

00:40:30.160 this kind of

00:40:31.320 criticism in this

00:40:32.320 regard is always

00:40:33.020 bad faith as

00:40:34.260 seen as well by

00:40:35.160 this Guardian

00:40:35.660 article saying

00:40:36.800 the EU's

00:40:37.500 deportation plans

00:40:38.380 risk ICE-style

00:40:39.440 enforcement

00:40:40.060 according to

00:40:41.120 rights groups

00:40:42.000 now this was

00:40:42.560 an open letter

00:40:43.580 signed by 75

00:40:44.920 organisations at

00:40:46.100 the time that

00:40:46.540 the article was

00:40:47.060 written

00:40:47.300 checking it this

00:40:48.460 morning in

00:40:49.000 preparation for

00:40:49.700 this segment

00:40:50.180 I believe the

00:40:51.160 number had risen

00:40:51.760 to about 111

00:40:53.080 despite that

00:40:54.300 I don't believe

00:40:55.700 that unaccountable

00:40:57.060 unelectable

00:40:58.200 NGO

00:40:59.140 human rights

00:41:00.760 organisations

00:41:01.680 should be

00:41:03.560 determining local

00:41:05.320 or national

00:41:06.180 or international

00:41:07.240 policy

00:41:07.940 especially when

00:41:08.740 their work

00:41:09.260 contributes to

00:41:10.340 people being

00:41:11.060 kept in the

00:41:11.580 country who

00:41:12.080 go on to

00:41:12.580 commit the

00:41:12.960 most heinous

00:41:13.480 crimes

00:41:13.920 this is always

00:41:15.020 the question

00:41:15.600 of like you

00:41:16.080 care about the

00:41:16.620 human rights

00:41:17.280 of brown people

00:41:18.400 whereas you're

00:41:18.960 concerned for the

00:41:19.540 human rights of

00:41:20.140 European people

00:41:21.020 these organisations

00:41:22.200 typically don't

00:41:23.200 actually care all

00:41:24.200 of that much

00:41:24.860 therefore it's

00:41:26.000 fair enough to

00:41:26.680 dismiss it and

00:41:27.460 say this is bad

00:41:28.660 faith as well

00:41:29.420 so this is the

00:41:30.680 good news that

00:41:31.260 Europe might be

00:41:31.920 going a bit more

00:41:32.720 hardline on

00:41:33.760 illegal migration

00:41:34.700 this is probably

00:41:35.320 due to a number

00:41:36.020 of factors including

00:41:36.940 the rise of

00:41:37.880 right-wing parties

00:41:39.620 across European

00:41:40.480 countries either

00:41:41.120 the ones that

00:41:41.680 have already been

00:41:42.240 voted in or

00:41:43.640 pressure from the

00:41:44.700 ones that are

00:41:45.200 looking to take

00:41:46.020 the place of

00:41:47.020 incumbent centrist

00:41:48.140 and left-wing

00:41:48.820 parties in their

00:41:50.040 countries and

00:41:50.880 people changing

00:41:51.940 their policy and

00:41:52.700 rhetoric to kind

00:41:53.600 of keep those

00:41:54.280 parties out

00:41:55.280 so that's the

00:41:56.680 good news

00:41:57.220 what is the

00:41:58.420 bad news

00:41:59.060 well Spain

00:41:59.780 didn't get the

00:42:00.380 memo

00:42:00.620 Spain really

00:42:02.720 didn't get the

00:42:03.500 memo so there

00:42:05.280 is a plan that

00:42:06.320 is going forward

00:42:07.240 to regularise

00:42:09.700 that is make

00:42:10.380 legitimate 500,000

00:42:12.380 half a million

00:42:13.120 undocumented migrants

00:42:15.000 illegal invaders

00:42:16.360 in Spain

00:42:17.760 this article states

00:42:19.140 that as anti-migration

00:42:20.200 policies sweep the

00:42:21.140 continent the

00:42:21.640 Spanish Prime

00:42:22.320 Minister is going

00:42:23.320 against the tide

00:42:24.240 how brave

00:42:25.220 stunning even

00:42:26.060 by announcing plans

00:42:27.620 to legalise the

00:42:28.560 status of

00:42:29.520 undocumented migrants

00:42:31.220 now there is quite a

00:42:31.960 bit to this story

00:42:32.740 and it takes a few

00:42:33.700 twists and turns

00:42:34.460 so I'll go through

00:42:35.240 it with you now

00:42:35.840 so given the

00:42:37.120 European centre's

00:42:38.280 rightward drift

00:42:39.300 according to this

00:42:39.940 article what was

00:42:40.680 Spain's Prime

00:42:41.300 Minister Pedro

00:42:42.080 Sanchez who is

00:42:43.060 the leader of the

00:42:44.320 Spanish Socialist

00:42:45.620 Party

00:42:46.580 up to last week

00:42:49.080 when his socialist

00:42:49.640 led government

00:42:50.440 announced the

00:42:51.400 regularisation of

00:42:52.340 500,000 undocumented

00:42:53.620 migrants and asylum

00:42:54.560 seekers

00:42:54.980 under the time

00:42:55.980 limited plan

00:42:56.480 successful applicants

00:42:57.380 will be given a

00:42:58.100 legal residence permit

00:42:59.280 in Spain

00:42:59.820 with an initial

00:43:01.040 validity of

00:43:02.240 one year

00:43:02.940 now that is one

00:43:03.660 thing that I've

00:43:04.480 not heard many

00:43:05.300 people speak about

00:43:06.260 the fact that

00:43:06.720 these plans

00:43:07.360 are only to give

00:43:08.900 validity for

00:43:09.880 one year

00:43:10.580 now of course

00:43:11.340 if they're already

00:43:12.040 undocumented in

00:43:13.140 the country

00:43:13.640 this will just

00:43:14.500 give them an

00:43:15.360 extra year

00:43:16.140 without being

00:43:16.920 harassed

00:43:18.040 or pressured

00:43:19.020 to leave the

00:43:19.740 country

00:43:20.120 where they don't

00:43:20.760 have to worry

00:43:21.260 about it

00:43:21.780 and it will

00:43:22.620 of course

00:43:23.100 as we see

00:43:23.680 with any kind

00:43:24.420 of amnesty

00:43:25.020 of illegal immigrants

00:43:26.080 only encourage

00:43:27.240 more people

00:43:28.080 to come in

00:43:28.660 the most

00:43:29.520 pressing

00:43:30.080 the most

00:43:30.520 obvious example

00:43:31.240 of this

00:43:31.620 was Ronald

00:43:32.120 Reagan's

00:43:32.760 amnesty

00:43:33.220 in the 1980s

00:43:34.800 in the 1986

00:43:35.600 immigration bill

00:43:36.920 I believe it was

00:43:37.560 in America

00:43:38.020 which basically

00:43:38.660 turned California

00:43:39.440 into a democrat

00:43:40.240 state

00:43:40.740 yes

00:43:41.320 yes

00:43:41.620 which was sold

00:43:43.340 to the American

00:43:44.080 people as

00:43:45.120 solving the problem

00:43:46.180 right now

00:43:46.840 and once we've

00:43:47.360 done this

00:43:47.680 we'll never have

00:43:48.160 to worry about

00:43:48.720 illegal immigrants

00:43:49.540 ever again

00:43:50.180 of course

00:43:51.220 that turned out

00:43:52.280 to be a lie

00:43:52.940 as well

00:43:53.480 so this is

00:43:54.280 being sold

00:43:54.800 to people

00:43:55.220 as a way

00:43:55.780 of solving

00:43:56.640 the problem

00:43:57.360 of illegal

00:43:57.960 immigration

00:43:58.540 in Spain

00:43:59.460 it never is

00:44:00.520 that is

00:44:01.180 a blatant lie

00:44:02.220 there's always

00:44:02.720 more illegals

00:44:03.600 to come

00:44:04.060 yes

00:44:04.860 they've always

00:44:05.460 got more

00:44:05.940 cousins

00:44:06.360 some say

00:44:07.960 Sanchez said

00:44:09.020 in a video

00:44:09.480 posted on social

00:44:10.460 media

00:44:10.800 that we've

00:44:11.440 gone too far

00:44:12.220 that we're

00:44:12.740 going against

00:44:13.300 the current

00:44:13.760 but I would

00:44:14.700 like to ask

00:44:15.340 you

00:44:15.580 when did

00:44:16.360 recognising

00:44:17.040 rights

00:44:17.580 become something

00:44:18.580 radical

00:44:19.020 when did

00:44:19.840 empathy

00:44:20.520 become something

00:44:22.080 exceptional

00:44:23.120 when it

00:44:24.360 led to

00:44:24.660 the death

00:44:24.980 of Europe

00:44:25.540 Sanchez

00:44:26.140 I mean this

00:44:26.480 is the thing

00:44:27.600 with the left

00:44:28.080 they're deluded

00:44:28.640 with this idea

00:44:29.480 that illegals

00:44:30.360 are coming here

00:44:30.960 as asylum seekers

00:44:32.080 that's their

00:44:32.980 impression of

00:44:33.580 what illegals

00:44:34.520 are

00:44:34.780 are people

00:44:35.320 who are

00:44:35.580 fleeing war

00:44:36.280 who are

00:44:36.840 fleeing poverty

00:44:37.800 they don't realise

00:44:39.460 that the reason

00:44:40.120 these people

00:44:40.540 are coming here

00:44:41.100 is because

00:44:41.980 Europe offers

00:44:43.360 so much

00:44:43.880 compared to

00:44:45.360 their home

00:44:46.620 countries

00:44:47.020 and they're

00:44:47.980 coming here

00:44:48.320 to work

00:44:48.820 and also

00:44:49.740 because some

00:44:50.380 countries are

00:44:50.940 sold this idea

00:44:51.620 that women

00:44:52.540 in Europe

00:44:53.240 are extremely

00:44:53.960 beautiful

00:44:54.400 you can have

00:44:54.860 access to

00:44:55.500 all these

00:44:55.820 easy women

00:44:56.520 and then

00:44:56.940 they come

00:44:57.220 and flood

00:44:57.920 European places

00:44:59.460 they're here

00:45:00.300 for what

00:45:02.760 we have built

00:45:03.660 our countries

00:45:04.180 into

00:45:04.620 they're not

00:45:05.700 fleeing

00:45:06.100 asylum

00:45:06.600 whatsoever

00:45:07.100 well

00:45:07.680 fleeing

00:45:08.740 well they're

00:45:09.280 coming to

00:45:09.600 take advantage

00:45:10.180 of our

00:45:11.060 benefit systems

00:45:11.920 they're coming

00:45:12.240 to take advantage

00:45:12.920 of our

00:45:13.580 people

00:45:13.940 a lot of

00:45:15.300 them are also

00:45:15.880 brought over

00:45:16.700 by NGOs

00:45:17.780 a lot of

00:45:18.940 them are

00:45:20.120 not only

00:45:20.700 brought over

00:45:21.440 as in

00:45:21.780 physically

00:45:22.180 but also

00:45:22.960 European

00:45:24.080 countries

00:45:24.680 are

00:45:25.040 promoted

00:45:25.900 as

00:45:26.440 destinations

00:45:27.080 where

00:45:27.400 these

00:45:27.600 people

00:45:27.900 can

00:45:28.140 build

00:45:28.420 better

00:45:28.740 lives

00:45:29.040 by

00:45:29.520 NGOs

00:45:29.880 and even

00:45:30.820 in fact

00:45:31.300 occasionally

00:45:31.940 by

00:45:32.820 European

00:45:33.440 governments

00:45:34.160 themselves

00:45:35.040 that was an

00:45:36.440 interesting thing

00:45:37.220 when the

00:45:37.780 Polish

00:45:39.400 what was it

00:45:39.780 the PIS

00:45:40.620 party

00:45:41.620 the PIS

00:45:42.240 party

00:45:43.260 which was

00:45:43.720 supposedly

00:45:44.240 the incredibly

00:45:44.980 radical

00:45:45.480 anti-immigration

00:45:46.440 party

00:45:46.880 was found

00:45:47.560 to have

00:45:48.100 corruption

00:45:48.780 embedded

00:45:49.480 so deep

00:45:50.040 into it

00:45:50.460 that

00:45:50.900 elements

00:45:51.620 of that

00:45:52.100 party

00:45:52.460 had gone

00:45:52.820 to North

00:45:53.200 Africa

00:45:53.620 and were

00:45:54.040 selling

00:45:54.580 passports

00:45:55.720 to North

00:45:56.500 Africans

00:45:57.060 as long

00:45:57.720 as they

00:45:57.960 didn't go

00:45:58.420 to Poland

00:45:58.920 that was

00:45:59.580 quite a

00:45:59.980 scandal

00:46:00.300 that I

00:46:00.540 didn't see

00:46:00.860 too much

00:46:01.220 reporting

00:46:01.680 on

00:46:01.920 but carrying

00:46:02.880 on with

00:46:03.280 this

00:46:03.500 it was

00:46:03.940 far from

00:46:04.300 the first

00:46:04.640 time

00:46:04.840 that Sanchez

00:46:05.380 had broken

00:46:05.880 ranks with

00:46:06.320 his political

00:46:06.760 peers

00:46:07.080 when it

00:46:07.320 comes to

00:46:07.620 migration

00:46:08.020 one of his

00:46:08.700 first

00:46:09.060 high profile

00:46:09.880 acts

00:46:10.220 after becoming

00:46:10.740 prime

00:46:11.020 minister

00:46:11.280 in June

00:46:11.740 2018

00:46:12.440 was to

00:46:12.900 announce

00:46:13.140 that Spain

00:46:13.620 would welcome

00:46:14.140 the 630

00:46:15.380 migrants

00:46:15.840 and asylum

00:46:16.260 seekers

00:46:16.540 on board

00:46:17.020 the rescue

00:46:17.720 boat

00:46:17.940 Aquarius

00:46:18.500 who had

00:46:19.140 been refused

00:46:19.660 entry to

00:46:20.240 Italy

00:46:20.580 and Malta

00:46:21.400 now is this

00:46:22.020 exceptional

00:46:22.560 empathy

00:46:23.020 is this

00:46:24.000 a radical

00:46:24.960 recognition

00:46:25.520 of rights

00:46:26.100 or is this

00:46:26.880 simply

00:46:27.340 suicidal

00:46:28.340 I'll let you

00:46:29.400 make your own

00:46:29.960 mind up

00:46:30.500 all three

00:46:31.180 speaking to

00:46:32.140 Spain's

00:46:32.740 parliament

00:46:33.040 in 2024

00:46:33.660 he said

00:46:34.280 the country

00:46:34.700 had chose

00:46:35.260 had to choose

00:46:35.940 between being

00:46:36.480 an

00:46:36.680 quote

00:46:37.100 open and

00:46:38.100 prosperous

00:46:38.500 country

00:46:39.060 or a

00:46:39.700 closed off

00:46:40.340 poor

00:46:41.080 country

00:46:41.800 as if

00:46:42.900 we haven't

00:46:43.540 had

00:46:43.860 endless

00:46:44.780 studies

00:46:45.500 at this

00:46:45.980 point

00:46:46.200 showing

00:46:46.560 how

00:46:46.980 not only

00:46:48.060 illegal

00:46:48.900 but legal

00:46:49.760 migration

00:46:50.440 of

00:46:51.160 any

00:46:52.060 population

00:46:52.860 other than

00:46:53.460 European

00:46:53.900 or Far

00:46:55.020 East Asian

00:46:55.840 populations

00:46:56.800 into your

00:46:57.720 country

00:46:58.020 isn't a

00:46:58.560 massive

00:46:58.860 drain

00:46:59.280 on public

00:46:59.860 services

00:47:00.280 and tax

00:47:00.740 money

00:47:01.000 taking in

00:47:01.960 migrants

00:47:02.360 he added

00:47:02.960 was not

00:47:03.660 just a

00:47:03.960 question of

00:47:04.440 human

00:47:05.000 decency

00:47:05.680 it was

00:47:06.780 the only

00:47:07.240 realistic

00:47:07.780 means of

00:47:08.340 growing the

00:47:08.880 economy

00:47:09.240 and maintaining

00:47:09.860 the welfare

00:47:10.420 state

00:47:10.840 in a

00:47:11.360 country

00:47:11.600 with one

00:47:11.980 of the

00:47:12.180 lowest

00:47:12.420 birth

00:47:12.760 rates

00:47:13.000 in the

00:47:13.820 EU

00:47:14.180 now

00:47:14.460 here we

00:47:15.080 get the

00:47:15.600 neoliberal

00:47:16.500 economic

00:47:17.440 reasoning

00:47:17.880 again

00:47:18.260 as well

00:47:18.980 the argument

00:47:19.760 is made

00:47:20.300 that literally

00:47:21.340 only bringing

00:47:23.020 in

00:47:23.460 I think it's

00:47:24.540 2.4 million

00:47:25.860 migrants

00:47:26.360 at the least

00:47:27.580 is the only

00:47:28.720 thing that is

00:47:29.240 going to

00:47:29.760 prop up

00:47:30.640 the pensions

00:47:31.640 welfare state

00:47:32.540 for an aging

00:47:33.080 population

00:47:33.700 that aren't

00:47:34.080 having children

00:47:34.640 that's always

00:47:35.960 an argument

00:47:36.580 there

00:47:36.920 and it is

00:47:37.440 a difficult

00:47:37.900 argument

00:47:38.360 to try

00:47:39.100 to reconcile

00:47:40.380 but destroying

00:47:42.720 your country's

00:47:43.540 demographics

00:47:44.060 is not the

00:47:44.620 answer to it

00:47:45.240 I can

00:47:45.520 imagine that

00:47:46.220 in relation

00:47:47.040 to that

00:47:47.560 it's also

00:47:48.100 you know

00:47:48.520 what's wrong

00:47:49.240 with a population

00:47:50.340 getting smaller

00:47:51.160 I mean

00:47:51.440 our population

00:47:52.960 of Europeans

00:47:53.900 has never been

00:47:54.580 this large

00:47:55.120 as it is now

00:47:56.040 the financialized

00:47:57.280 debt system

00:47:57.800 that's what

00:47:58.180 yeah

00:47:58.420 but it really

00:48:00.260 like the biggest

00:48:00.920 factor to why

00:48:01.900 it's a threat

00:48:02.380 is when you

00:48:02.740 import loads

00:48:03.340 and loads

00:48:03.600 of foreigners

00:48:04.340 to the point

00:48:04.940 where your people

00:48:05.540 will become

00:48:06.040 demographically

00:48:06.720 replaced

00:48:07.100 because they're

00:48:07.420 not having

00:48:07.780 children

00:48:08.180 and you're

00:48:09.680 also replacing

00:48:10.300 them with

00:48:10.600 people who

00:48:11.000 are more

00:48:11.220 likely going

00:48:11.680 to be

00:48:12.100 economic

00:48:12.540 dependents

00:48:13.040 in the first

00:48:13.460 place

00:48:13.720 so you've

00:48:14.220 negated your

00:48:14.840 solution

00:48:15.240 to begin

00:48:16.440 with

00:48:16.700 it's pathetic

00:48:17.780 yes

00:48:18.700 bringing them

00:48:19.340 all in

00:48:19.740 creates material

00:48:20.700 and financial

00:48:22.060 circumstances

00:48:23.040 in which it's

00:48:23.920 going to provide

00:48:24.860 disincentives for

00:48:25.960 the native population

00:48:27.200 to have children

00:48:27.900 as well

00:48:28.340 and so you

00:48:29.020 never fix

00:48:29.580 the birth rates

00:48:30.340 yeah but

00:48:31.340 obviously it got

00:48:32.160 some responses

00:48:32.840 from the other

00:48:33.460 parties

00:48:33.840 the conservative

00:48:34.460 people's party

00:48:35.640 PP

00:48:36.380 the PP party

00:48:38.120 so in Poland

00:48:38.660 they have the

00:48:39.240 PIS party

00:48:39.900 in Spain

00:48:40.360 they have the

00:48:40.900 PP party

00:48:41.600 that actually

00:48:42.760 kind of fits

00:48:43.380 said that the

00:48:45.060 plan would attract

00:48:45.800 more migrants

00:48:46.520 obviously

00:48:47.160 and thereby

00:48:47.720 overwhelm Spain's

00:48:48.940 public services

00:48:49.740 obviously true

00:48:50.740 while the

00:48:51.780 who scare quotes

00:48:53.180 everybody

00:48:53.600 far right

00:48:54.600 Vox party

00:48:55.520 once again

00:48:56.320 peddled the idea

00:48:57.100 that Sanchez

00:48:57.660 was trying to

00:48:58.220 replace the

00:48:59.000 Spanish population

00:48:59.820 and quote

00:49:00.800 accelerate the

00:49:01.640 invasion

00:49:02.060 which is correct

00:49:02.800 framing

00:49:03.220 where's the

00:49:04.000 lie there

00:49:04.960 the move

00:49:05.960 which was

00:49:06.420 agreed to

00:49:07.020 at the

00:49:07.340 behest

00:49:07.700 of the

00:49:08.140 left-wing

00:49:08.700 Podemos

00:49:09.320 party

00:49:10.060 so this is

00:49:11.260 a far-left

00:49:12.420 Spanish party

00:49:13.540 after years

00:49:14.740 of civil society

00:49:15.660 campaigning

00:49:16.220 comes a tricky

00:49:17.180 time for Sanchez

00:49:17.960 and his

00:49:18.400 Spanish Socialist

00:49:19.320 Workers Party

00:49:20.160 and this is

00:49:21.040 where some of

00:49:21.720 the reasons

00:49:22.360 for doing

00:49:22.840 something like

00:49:23.380 this right

00:49:24.260 now may

00:49:25.480 come in

00:49:26.040 recent opinion

00:49:26.960 polls are

00:49:27.360 putting Vox's

00:49:27.980 share of the

00:49:28.520 vote at

00:49:28.860 almost 18%

00:49:29.900 members of the

00:49:30.780 prime minister's

00:49:31.400 inner circle

00:49:31.920 including his

00:49:32.460 wife and brother

00:49:32.980 have been accused

00:49:33.620 of corruption

00:49:34.600 and I know

00:49:36.240 corruption in

00:49:37.720 Spanish politics

00:49:39.000 what a shock

00:49:39.760 what a surprise

00:49:40.560 while his party

00:49:42.000 has been enveloped

00:49:42.900 in allegations

00:49:43.500 of graft

00:49:44.140 and failing to

00:49:44.880 take sexual

00:49:45.580 assault cases

00:49:46.340 seriously

00:49:47.160 in a Mediterranean

00:49:48.120 country

00:49:48.860 never

00:49:49.360 not once

00:49:50.400 as commentators

00:49:51.680 have pointed out

00:49:52.360 the regularization

00:49:53.260 decree offers

00:49:54.060 Sanchez an

00:49:54.620 opportunity to

00:49:55.400 differentiate himself

00:49:56.220 from his opponents

00:49:56.960 and show his

00:49:58.120 allies that his

00:49:58.840 beliefs align with

00:50:00.020 theirs and with

00:50:01.060 those of their

00:50:01.640 voters

00:50:01.960 so it seems

00:50:02.980 according to

00:50:03.740 this kind of

00:50:04.200 analysis

00:50:04.560 that the

00:50:05.720 calculation

00:50:06.200 is

00:50:07.200 we want to

00:50:08.480 siphon the

00:50:09.180 far left

00:50:09.760 voters

00:50:10.300 so that we

00:50:11.180 as the

00:50:11.820 centre left

00:50:12.440 socialist party

00:50:13.500 can maintain

00:50:14.680 power

00:50:15.180 so that we're

00:50:16.020 not overwhelmed

00:50:16.760 by parties

00:50:17.680 like Vox

00:50:18.460 growing in the

00:50:19.720 same way that

00:50:20.180 the AFD is

00:50:20.900 growing in

00:50:21.500 Germany

00:50:22.000 for instance

00:50:22.800 so this could

00:50:23.580 be seen as a

00:50:24.200 rather cynical

00:50:24.940 ploy to try

00:50:25.860 and win over

00:50:26.440 far left

00:50:27.180 votes

00:50:27.540 who are going

00:50:28.180 to be really

00:50:28.840 really incentivized

00:50:30.820 by going like

00:50:31.480 oh my god

00:50:32.260 they want to

00:50:33.400 destroy Spain

00:50:34.320 I also want to

00:50:35.940 destroy Spain

00:50:36.880 I'm going to

00:50:37.800 vote for them

00:50:38.620 but there are

00:50:39.480 problems with

00:50:41.100 this as well

00:50:42.360 which is if that

00:50:43.400 is the calculation

00:50:44.440 it's been made

00:50:45.540 rather hastily

00:50:46.380 because there seems

00:50:46.980 to have been no

00:50:47.960 preparation for this

00:50:49.280 at all despite the

00:50:50.240 fact that these

00:50:50.680 plans have been

00:50:51.820 discussed for at

00:50:53.180 least quite a few

00:50:54.640 months

00:50:55.120 the first big

00:50:56.920 problem being that

00:50:57.840 there is no

00:50:59.180 money to process

00:51:00.560 all of these

00:51:01.460 new potential

00:51:02.400 applications

00:51:03.280 now there are

00:51:03.980 some strings

00:51:04.840 attached to

00:51:05.640 these applications

00:51:06.620 for the people

00:51:07.180 who are going to

00:51:07.520 be legalized

00:51:08.520 through this

00:51:09.680 process which I

00:51:10.540 believe they are

00:51:11.400 that you need to

00:51:12.480 either have been

00:51:13.820 undocumented in

00:51:14.840 the country and

00:51:15.440 have proof of

00:51:16.120 such for the past

00:51:16.880 five months or

00:51:18.300 have applied for

00:51:19.080 asylum before

00:51:21.280 November 2025

00:51:22.380 I might be getting

00:51:23.380 some of the

00:51:23.800 details of that

00:51:24.380 wrong but there

00:51:24.900 are still conditions

00:51:26.200 attached to this

00:51:27.260 the problem is

00:51:28.400 again there is

00:51:30.100 no extra money

00:51:31.740 been set aside

00:51:33.380 for the departments

00:51:34.820 that are going to

00:51:35.380 be processing this

00:51:36.580 massive surge of

00:51:38.100 asylum applications

00:51:39.300 and visa applications

00:51:41.260 that are going to

00:51:41.980 be coming through

00:51:42.560 as a result of this

00:51:43.700 the Spanish government

00:51:44.760 has said that the

00:51:45.300 drive will run from

00:51:46.060 early April through

00:51:47.100 June but has

00:51:48.100 provided few details

00:51:49.140 on the application

00:51:50.140 process or

00:51:50.880 documentation required

00:51:52.060 the migration

00:51:53.020 ministry said on

00:51:54.240 its website in

00:51:55.060 January that no

00:51:56.140 additional budget

00:51:56.920 or staffing had

00:51:58.080 been earmarked

00:51:58.780 for the expected

00:51:59.420 surge in

00:52:00.200 applications so

00:52:01.340 it might just

00:52:03.280 collapse the

00:52:03.800 government entirely

00:52:04.540 by accident or

00:52:06.260 at least the

00:52:07.080 migration ministry

00:52:07.960 might just

00:52:08.500 completely collapse

00:52:09.300 by accident

00:52:09.860 because they've

00:52:10.360 got no ability

00:52:11.280 to actually do

00:52:11.960 this which is

00:52:13.340 that's a very

00:52:15.760 Spanish way of

00:52:16.380 going about it

00:52:16.960 actually previous

00:52:18.340 governments including

00:52:19.380 those led by

00:52:20.200 conservatives have

00:52:21.100 offered multiple

00:52:22.000 mass amnesty

00:52:22.840 drives in recent

00:52:24.560 decades the largest

00:52:25.460 was in 2005 when

00:52:26.840 570,000 people who

00:52:28.740 could show that they

00:52:29.340 had formal work

00:52:30.180 contracts were

00:52:31.120 granted legal status

00:52:32.120 now I do find that

00:52:32.940 interesting that they

00:52:34.160 make sure to point

00:52:34.940 out here that

00:52:35.620 conservative governments

00:52:36.720 in Spain have done

00:52:37.620 this as well and

00:52:38.760 this is where the

00:52:39.700 uniparty and the

00:52:41.140 problem of either

00:52:42.580 centre-right parties

00:52:44.000 which are just

00:52:44.780 liberals or

00:52:46.400 occasionally as

00:52:47.920 we've seen many

00:52:48.540 times here as well

00:52:49.600 populist right parties

00:52:51.120 who are fundamentally

00:52:51.980 driven by foreign

00:52:53.060 policy concerns and

00:52:54.500 economic policies

00:52:55.800 will if they see

00:52:57.640 it's in their

00:52:58.420 benefit still adopt

00:52:59.860 the same policy of

00:53:00.960 amnesty we saw it

00:53:02.000 with Boris Johnson

00:53:02.980 he didn't get to

00:53:04.060 amnesty people in

00:53:05.520 this country but

00:53:06.440 since at least 2008

00:53:07.940 he had been arguing

00:53:09.360 that London should

00:53:10.760 have a mass amnesty

00:53:11.980 of all of the

00:53:12.660 illegal immigrants

00:53:13.520 who live there

00:53:14.580 so this is a

00:53:16.100 concern that if

00:53:17.840 you're still voting

00:53:18.940 within an

00:53:19.780 establishment no

00:53:21.380 matter which part of

00:53:22.440 the establishment

00:53:22.960 you're voting for

00:53:23.740 you're going to get

00:53:24.860 establishment policies

00:53:26.020 now where have I

00:53:27.080 seen that before

00:53:27.940 very recently in my

00:53:29.900 own country

00:53:30.560 nope nothing to

00:53:32.640 come into mind

00:53:33.300 there is it says

00:53:34.520 an incentive for

00:53:35.220 regularisation

00:53:36.040 Spain needs

00:53:36.740 approximately 2.4

00:53:37.860 million people

00:53:38.840 paying into social

00:53:39.860 security over the

00:53:40.700 next decade to

00:53:41.420 sustain its welfare

00:53:42.280 state according to

00:53:43.660 official estimates

00:53:44.740 this is just another

00:53:45.680 massive problem

00:53:46.220 of the welfare state

00:53:47.260 can't have welfare

00:53:48.540 not yeah not

00:53:49.600 well you can't

00:53:50.820 you can't have

00:53:52.060 welfare and mass

00:53:53.220 migration yes

00:53:54.000 you can't have

00:53:54.800 welfare and a

00:53:57.500 certain kind of

00:53:58.580 modernising

00:53:59.700 technological morality

00:54:01.640 which disincentivises

00:54:03.380 people from having

00:54:04.360 families who will then

00:54:05.500 grow up to pay back

00:54:06.480 into the system

00:54:07.180 that is a big

00:54:08.460 problem you can't

00:54:09.000 have a welfare state

00:54:10.040 that is entirely built

00:54:11.560 off of the back of

00:54:12.500 the baby boom which

00:54:13.720 was a kind of once

00:54:15.180 in a lifetime event

00:54:16.560 which created a huge

00:54:18.740 mass of future

00:54:20.140 dependence when

00:54:21.140 they all eventually

00:54:21.780 grew old these are

00:54:23.060 lots of problems

00:54:24.140 that people don't

00:54:25.040 like to consider

00:54:26.000 a lack of additional

00:54:27.420 state funds for the

00:54:28.180 2026 drive would

00:54:29.360 mark a policy

00:54:30.300 departure from

00:54:30.940 previous mass

00:54:31.580 legalisations in

00:54:32.760 2005 an extra

00:54:34.400 1700 employees were

00:54:36.200 hired and 742 new

00:54:38.600 information points

00:54:39.380 established to help

00:54:40.040 the existing system

00:54:40.880 cope according to a

00:54:41.980 study by a

00:54:43.020 researcher of course

00:54:44.020 this time with no

00:54:45.380 plan and no extra

00:54:46.800 funds allocated

00:54:47.600 i guess you just

00:54:50.700 gotta the spanish

00:54:51.840 the new spanish

00:54:53.100 have to learn to be

00:54:54.240 british that is

00:54:55.840 they need to learn

00:54:56.660 to queue

00:54:57.240 or else you know

00:54:59.600 they might just want

00:55:01.220 to get out of the

00:55:01.580 country maybe this is

00:55:02.360 4d chess maybe

00:55:03.920 they're trying to

00:55:04.400 make it such a

00:55:05.360 pain in the arse

00:55:06.120 hassle for these

00:55:06.940 people that they

00:55:07.500 just decide to leave

00:55:08.480 anyway you know

00:55:09.920 if so

00:55:10.640 what's the plan

00:55:11.820 bravo

00:55:12.460 bravo

00:55:13.620 of course this

00:55:14.600 these are new

00:55:15.580 developments have

00:55:16.180 come with all of

00:55:16.820 these different

00:55:17.380 articles from the

00:55:18.600 bbc spain's migrants

00:55:19.940 welcome amnesty it

00:55:21.120 will help us in

00:55:21.860 every way look at

00:55:22.880 these wholesome

00:55:23.680 chungus

00:55:24.540 you see us in

00:55:25.780 that's the uh

00:55:26.600 yeah well not the

00:55:28.120 spanish people

00:55:28.660 no

00:55:28.860 modern smart

00:55:29.920 spanish man

00:55:30.580 yeah yeah look at

00:55:31.540 these wholesome

00:55:32.200 chungus foreigners

00:55:33.360 here's the woman who

00:55:34.760 um who is the head

00:55:36.560 of the migration

00:55:37.360 ministry

00:55:37.760 yep

00:55:38.880 i'll save your

00:55:40.040 comments you can

00:55:40.780 leave your comments

00:55:41.340 below

00:55:41.620 look at these

00:55:42.580 wholesome chungus

00:55:43.640 migrants who are

00:55:44.480 going to be so

00:55:45.120 happy now that

00:55:46.000 they've broken into

00:55:46.700 your country and

00:55:47.420 can stay there for

00:55:48.160 an extra year

00:55:49.000 legally this will

00:55:50.180 have no adverse

00:55:50.940 effects look at

00:55:51.900 francesca melendez

00:55:53.900 who in this article

00:55:55.360 admits that she

00:55:56.400 moved over to

00:55:57.340 spain with her

00:55:58.200 boyfriend and let

00:55:59.340 herself just

00:56:00.280 easily settle into

00:56:02.220 undocumented status

00:56:03.520 once her tourist

00:56:04.500 visa expired so

00:56:05.620 this was just

00:56:06.080 malicious she knew

00:56:06.920 what she was doing

00:56:07.600 this wasn't so

00:56:08.660 this literally like

00:56:10.300 this was not some

00:56:11.160 woman who was

00:56:11.740 coming over because

00:56:12.700 oh my god i was

00:56:13.860 escaping persecution

00:56:15.260 the war the horror

00:56:16.300 the horror i came

00:56:17.500 from new york with

00:56:18.580 my boyfriend and

00:56:19.800 just stuck around

00:56:20.960 that is a place to

00:56:21.820 escape from new

00:56:23.080 york i'm not going

00:56:24.400 to as bad as new

00:56:25.740 york is i'm not

00:56:26.580 going as bad as new

00:56:27.600 york is i'm not

00:56:28.200 going to say it's an

00:56:28.780 active war zone but

00:56:31.200 yeah look at this

00:56:31.920 wholesome chungus

00:56:33.000 black woman who

00:56:33.960 like maliciously

00:56:35.100 moved to your

00:56:35.800 country from new

00:56:36.980 york and just

00:56:38.140 decided oh i'm just

00:56:39.200 gonna live here now

00:56:40.020 do i need a visa

00:56:40.860 no no it's fine

00:56:43.960 she can get away

00:56:44.900 with it as well

00:56:45.540 the guardian will

00:56:47.080 let you write up

00:56:47.760 about it the

00:56:48.500 guardian is chuffed

00:56:49.000 about it the

00:56:49.620 guardian is thrilled

00:56:51.200 that this woman did

00:56:52.520 this because then

00:56:53.480 they can plaster her

00:56:55.080 smug stupid face on

00:56:57.460 their article here

00:56:58.700 like rubbing it in

00:57:00.580 your face that like

00:57:02.120 she got away with

00:57:02.960 it she got away with

00:57:03.980 it and now she

00:57:04.620 now i don't know if

00:57:06.120 they paid her for

00:57:06.960 this article but

00:57:07.860 she's getting

00:57:08.320 benefits from it

00:57:09.260 still to this day

00:57:11.000 which is ridiculous

00:57:12.480 so don't do this

00:57:13.820 is just the

00:57:14.360 exceptional empathy

00:57:15.580 that spain needs

00:57:17.220 to display to

00:57:18.400 these malicious

00:57:19.560 freeloaders and

00:57:21.640 god they are going

00:57:23.200 really over the

00:57:24.340 board with this

00:57:25.080 radical rights and

00:57:26.360 empathy right now

00:57:27.240 because on top of

00:57:28.680 this they have also

00:57:30.800 decided that they

00:57:32.300 are going to renew

00:57:33.260 an old policy same

00:57:34.920 woman by the way

00:57:35.740 that it will grant

00:57:38.780 undocumented migrants

00:57:40.200 access to the public

00:57:41.260 health care system

00:57:42.180 nationwide suicide

00:57:43.700 absolute suicide

00:57:45.300 now if you think

00:57:46.520 that amnestying half

00:57:48.620 a million people

00:57:49.460 with no extra money

00:57:50.600 and no infrastructure

00:57:51.560 to do so is a bad

00:57:53.580 idea on just pure

00:57:54.980 or just from a pure

00:57:55.940 logistical standpoint

00:57:57.000 imagine all of those

00:57:59.660 people then telling

00:58:01.140 their family members

00:58:02.140 spain's great they

00:58:03.840 will give you anything

00:58:05.260 that you want and

00:58:06.460 then they will let

00:58:07.160 you stay there

00:58:07.980 legally by the royal

00:58:09.420 decree of the king

00:58:10.440 himself yep you get

00:58:11.780 you get a lot of

00:58:12.460 british people don't

00:58:13.320 you who move to

00:58:14.180 spain who buy houses

00:58:15.380 there yeah um and

00:58:16.920 they get visas but

00:58:17.760 now they can just go

00:58:18.500 over there yeah on

00:58:20.140 chat i can i can go

00:58:21.300 over there next week

00:58:23.640 if i want yeah we

00:58:24.540 could have a british

00:58:25.260 invasion of spain i can

00:58:27.040 just get health care i

00:58:28.720 can just get health care

00:58:29.580 but of course like all

00:58:30.760 of the weird spanish

00:58:32.080 separatists will be

00:58:32.980 furious about me

00:58:34.180 doing that as an

00:58:35.140 englishman but if

00:58:36.620 like moses or

00:58:38.560 comes over and

00:58:41.500 does the same thing

00:58:42.560 or if he does it

00:58:45.280 then that's fine that's

00:58:47.260 great wholesome

00:58:47.900 chungus come here

00:58:48.860 please let me give

00:58:49.680 you a big hug

00:58:50.320 how on earth did

00:58:50.760 you pronounce those

00:58:51.600 names i'm a man of

00:58:52.860 the world i'm a very

00:58:54.440 worldly man uh yeah

00:58:56.680 so just like some

00:58:57.720 developments on that

00:58:58.820 yeah they're just

00:58:59.340 lifting they're changing

00:59:00.600 the health care

00:59:01.160 rules this was the

00:59:02.020 rules up until about

00:59:03.360 2012 and then

00:59:04.760 seemingly the only

00:59:06.540 sane man in spanish

00:59:08.380 politics came in and

00:59:10.040 said no you can't just

00:59:12.060 come in here and

00:59:12.820 immediately get free

00:59:13.820 health care and then

00:59:15.700 these guys have gone

00:59:16.720 well actually we're mad

00:59:18.200 so you can get free

00:59:19.760 health care and um the

00:59:22.180 interesting thing with

00:59:23.280 all of this as well is

00:59:24.800 all of this when the

00:59:26.540 vox party is already

00:59:27.980 becoming very popular

00:59:29.940 or at least is

00:59:31.080 increasing in popularity

00:59:32.280 along with a broader

00:59:33.560 trend of european

00:59:34.640 politics as we saw at

00:59:35.740 the beginning becoming

00:59:36.860 more hardline on

00:59:37.780 immigration becoming

00:59:38.960 tougher on deportation

00:59:40.400 becoming more right

00:59:41.460 wing in general this

00:59:43.520 should be really

00:59:44.140 unpopular in spain right

00:59:46.120 but one thing might be

00:59:48.600 helping sanchez which

00:59:50.640 is that he is standing

00:59:52.520 up and taking quite a

00:59:53.800 hard line against

00:59:54.960 american action in iran

00:59:57.000 and saying that spain

00:59:57.920 will not have anything

00:59:59.220 to do with it including

01:00:00.520 not allowing america and

01:00:03.000 trump to use two of

01:00:05.120 its bases that

01:00:06.140 otherwise america would

01:00:07.180 be able to stage some

01:00:08.260 of its operations from

01:00:09.520 now the interesting

01:00:10.920 thing here is that this

01:00:12.780 is going to play quite

01:00:13.740 well in spain i would

01:00:14.880 imagine because a

01:00:15.720 recent poll by the

01:00:16.760 cis research institute

01:00:18.200 found that 77 percent

01:00:19.700 of spaniards had a

01:00:21.020 bad or very bad

01:00:22.200 opinion of trump

01:00:23.040 suggesting that even

01:00:24.240 many right wingers

01:00:25.440 may back sanchez on

01:00:27.120 this issue at the

01:00:28.620 same time the

01:00:29.960 conservative people's

01:00:31.080 party has a track

01:00:32.580 record with assisting

01:00:34.720 america in middle

01:00:36.140 eastern adventures

01:00:37.360 the people's party

01:00:38.740 backed the iraq

01:00:40.360 invasion the people's

01:00:42.160 party right now is

01:00:44.060 backing america's

01:00:45.620 adventures in iran and

01:00:47.360 their war in iran the

01:00:49.060 vox party is not only

01:00:51.480 backing america and

01:00:53.040 saying that spain needs

01:00:54.000 to jump in but if you

01:00:55.520 look into it they

01:00:56.780 back in 2013 and

01:00:58.080 2014 received around

01:00:59.960 a million euros from

01:01:01.500 affiliates of a group

01:01:02.700 backing regime change

01:01:04.260 in iran so this is

01:01:06.180 what i say when i'm

01:01:06.920 talking about these

01:01:07.600 populist parties they

01:01:08.720 have strong immigration

01:01:09.900 stances but often it

01:01:11.560 seems that they are

01:01:12.360 financially more

01:01:13.440 interested in pushing

01:01:14.860 a foreign policy

01:01:16.400 agenda and when they

01:01:17.840 are pushing a foreign

01:01:18.640 policy agenda that

01:01:19.960 backs america much to

01:01:22.360 the disagreement of

01:01:23.740 their own voters as

01:01:25.160 you can see from polls

01:01:26.040 like this if they are

01:01:26.820 to be taken as being

01:01:28.620 accurate according to

01:01:30.160 the larger spanish

01:01:31.020 population this means

01:01:33.000 that insane politicians

01:01:34.860 like sanchez who are

01:01:36.180 awful on everything but

01:01:37.720 say no to trump and say

01:01:39.280 no to american

01:01:40.320 adventures in the

01:01:41.100 middle east it gives

01:01:42.720 them a much better leg to

01:01:44.360 stand on and some voters

01:01:45.840 in spain may find

01:01:47.360 themselves saying well i

01:01:49.080 disagree with them on

01:01:50.200 everything here but at

01:01:51.520 the very least he's

01:01:52.660 taking a stand against

01:01:53.660 trump it does create a

01:01:55.180 wedge issue for these

01:01:57.060 parties which is

01:01:57.800 something that you

01:01:58.320 always have to be very

01:01:59.740 wary of and be aware as

01:02:01.520 well foreign policy

01:02:02.700 directly interacts with

01:02:04.720 and influences domestic

01:02:06.420 policy it's a it's an

01:02:09.040 equation of get sent off

01:02:10.940 to war at the behest of

01:02:12.100 the americans and die in

01:02:13.440 the middle east or stay

01:02:15.080 here and let the left

01:02:16.580 flood our homelands with

01:02:17.960 illegals until they kill

01:02:19.380 us here and the thing

01:02:20.340 is in a situation like

01:02:21.320 that a lot of people

01:02:22.040 switch off yeah a lot

01:02:23.580 of people just say no

01:02:24.520 i'm not going to take

01:02:25.320 it i'm not going to

01:02:26.260 partake in this at all

01:02:27.300 but you know i hope the

01:02:29.160 best for spain in the

01:02:30.380 future uh but with

01:02:31.820 politicians like you've

01:02:32.740 got at the moment it's

01:02:34.460 not looking great so um

01:02:36.940 we've spoken about

01:02:38.000 illegal um migration now

01:02:39.880 and now we're going to

01:02:40.640 talk about legal migration

01:02:41.900 so parties like reform

01:02:43.720 they say our only concern

01:02:45.340 is that of illegals that's

01:02:47.060 the only people we're

01:02:48.280 concerned with mass

01:02:49.540 deporting legal migration

01:02:51.600 doesn't concern us but

01:02:53.200 illegal immigration only

01:02:54.960 makes up a tiny portion

01:02:56.440 of net migration and

01:02:57.860 nearly half of net

01:02:58.800 migration particularly um

01:03:01.480 in 2024 when it reached

01:03:02.960 nearly a million um half

01:03:04.860 of it is student

01:03:06.220 thesis um i've got a

01:03:08.240 photo here um i think the

01:03:10.220 photo speaks for itself

01:03:11.360 this should be a meme

01:03:12.260 really it reminds me of

01:03:13.440 one of those photos of a

01:03:15.020 politician going into a

01:03:16.120 school and it's it's full

01:03:17.260 of foreign children

01:03:17.880 the picture of roger

01:03:18.620 scrutin in the school

01:03:19.720 yeah precisely you can

01:03:21.160 see the guy he's

01:03:21.900 literally doing the you

01:03:23.240 know at least you know

01:03:24.400 it's happening legally

01:03:25.420 yeah you know face he's

01:03:26.800 literally doing that

01:03:27.580 it's one of those like

01:03:28.100 poetic pictures that

01:03:29.180 really speaks for itself

01:03:30.380 you have this english guy

01:03:31.760 at chester university um

01:03:33.660 which is like a very

01:03:35.200 predominantly english town

01:03:36.660 well it used to be

01:03:37.460 close close to home for

01:03:38.800 myself being a cheshire boy

01:03:40.540 and just well it was

01:03:42.600 c i was born in and

01:03:43.940 grew up next to so it

01:03:45.100 is home to me um when i

01:03:47.720 left for university in

01:03:49.160 2020 i studied at

01:03:51.040 aberdeen when i came back

01:03:52.300 the city had just

01:03:53.360 drastically changed and

01:03:55.080 you'll see in a minute

01:03:56.040 why it drastically changed

01:03:57.540 um when you go down

01:03:59.320 streets in chester now

01:04:00.560 there's just litter

01:04:01.480 everywhere and you can

01:04:02.240 tell which street belongs

01:04:03.420 to international students

01:04:05.280 particularly from india

01:04:06.380 because it has litter in

01:04:07.640 in a country that's a

01:04:08.620 norm you just throw

01:04:09.280 litter onto the street

01:04:10.680 and so when you bring

01:04:12.340 people who are straight

01:04:13.080 off the plane they don't

01:04:13.900 know you're supposed to

01:04:14.540 put litter in the bin they

01:04:15.500 don't know you're supposed

01:04:16.200 to dispose of it so they

01:04:17.640 just throw it away and

01:04:19.180 there's also the city

01:04:21.060 isn't it stinks of

01:04:22.780 sewage now and that's

01:04:24.100 because chester yeah

01:04:25.420 chester's a medieval city

01:04:26.680 and now it's overpopulated

01:04:28.300 because it's a lot of

01:04:29.680 these students they stay

01:04:30.960 after they graduate and

01:04:32.700 they stay in chester

01:04:33.860 i'm sure they wouldn't be

01:04:35.240 overstaying a student visa

01:04:36.860 would they

01:04:37.380 um well you'll you'll

01:04:39.300 you'll see a lot of

01:04:40.100 guardian or write up

01:04:41.260 admissions a lot of

01:04:42.420 them go on to work and

01:04:44.540 when i was when i was

01:04:45.400 growing up in chester

01:04:46.260 um they were the only

01:04:47.500 demographic there was

01:04:48.420 polish people and they

01:04:49.900 stood out because they

01:04:50.680 had a funny language um

01:04:51.980 so they looked i suppose

01:04:53.000 they looked you know like

01:04:54.260 an english person but

01:04:55.100 they had this peculiar

01:04:55.800 language and they were

01:04:56.840 also quite cold which

01:04:57.940 was uh very peculiar for

01:05:00.180 for the people of

01:05:00.820 chester because they're

01:05:01.400 very frankly and they

01:05:02.940 also they had about 10

01:05:04.340 years ago it was voted

01:05:05.340 happiest place to live in

01:05:06.760 england yeah what it

01:05:08.060 once was a very happy

01:05:09.180 place to live in england

01:05:10.220 um but you go down

01:05:11.540 certain used to go down

01:05:12.440 certain streets in chester

01:05:13.480 and they would have

01:05:13.920 polish shops and that

01:05:14.760 was the most exotic

01:05:16.060 chester would get was

01:05:17.520 these polish shops which

01:05:18.660 sell these really strange

01:05:20.360 drinks from the mainland

01:05:21.360 mainland europe which you

01:05:22.540 never heard of because the

01:05:23.440 french to you were aliens

01:05:25.140 and now you sort of see

01:05:26.520 them as brothers because

01:05:27.520 the whole city is filled

01:05:29.420 with international students

01:05:31.320 like this now if we go uh

01:05:33.680 onto the next slide oh

01:05:35.200 yeah you need a mouse

01:05:35.940 don't you yeah yeah

01:05:37.240 please it would be

01:05:37.920 useful um how do i

01:05:40.620 scroll yeah just like

01:05:41.820 that for this you know

01:05:43.300 how to use a mouse

01:05:44.040 surely yes the screen's

01:05:46.320 too big um so here

01:05:48.820 here's a graph of student

01:05:50.940 migration into the uk and

01:05:53.420 now you see although it's

01:05:54.820 very high even in 2005 it

01:05:57.000 gradually goes up and it

01:05:58.520 peaks it peaks after

01:06:00.940 2020 when polytech

01:06:03.200 universities start to

01:06:04.300 rely on international

01:06:05.620 students due to covid

01:06:06.900 and what's that we get

01:06:08.300 that line in 2021

01:06:09.500 graduate visa visa route

01:06:11.780 introduced yeah it would

01:06:13.000 have been under the

01:06:14.160 drum roll please

01:06:15.160 may government

01:06:15.820 the may government

01:06:17.540 yeah that's under the

01:06:18.300 may government so what

01:06:19.040 happened um i was going

01:06:20.220 to talk about this a bit

01:06:21.060 later but i'll bring it

01:06:21.920 up now and the may

01:06:23.240 government came up with

01:06:24.820 um i thought it would

01:06:25.980 have been introduced and

01:06:26.800 was it proposed under the

01:06:28.000 may government and then

01:06:28.700 put into place yeah

01:06:30.960 exactly and i think

01:06:31.960 that's what's contributed

01:06:33.000 to the boris wave

01:06:34.040 actually coming here is

01:06:35.660 through um look at the

01:06:37.040 2022 figures precisely

01:06:38.800 um so the may government

01:06:40.080 came up with an

01:06:41.260 education strategy which

01:06:42.860 set out to increase the

01:06:43.920 number of international

01:06:44.660 students in the uk um

01:06:47.080 and their goal was to

01:06:48.320 get 600 000 students into

01:06:50.700 the uk by 2030 um in

01:06:53.520 order to generate um

01:06:55.000 education exports to

01:06:56.760 35 billion so it was all

01:06:58.480 to do with self-interest

01:07:00.060 of making money and for

01:07:02.040 universities to gain in

01:07:03.180 profit well because the

01:07:04.080 foreign students of

01:07:04.840 course have to pay more

01:07:06.280 uh than the domestic

01:07:08.020 students and so the

01:07:09.300 universities are

01:07:10.060 naturally incentivized to

01:07:11.560 take and there's no cap

01:07:12.680 like you know oh you can

01:07:14.320 only take so many it's

01:07:15.520 just yeah fill your

01:07:16.420 boots and when they

01:07:17.420 introduced this they also

01:07:18.620 said i'm also going to

01:07:19.880 allow students to work up

01:07:21.900 to two years after they

01:07:22.980 graduate yeah and i have

01:07:24.240 a quote here um actually

01:07:26.400 i'll bring it up later

01:07:27.080 because i've got an

01:07:27.640 article so i'll come

01:07:28.660 back to that in a moment

01:07:30.200 of um what these

01:07:31.340 politicians were saying

01:07:32.740 when they put forward

01:07:34.100 this policy but this this

01:07:35.820 is this is fascinating

01:07:36.880 because you see here

01:07:37.720 2022 um nearly half a

01:07:41.260 million students come

01:07:42.320 into this country and

01:07:43.880 that's like again half of

01:07:45.440 net migration the net

01:07:46.420 migration um significantly

01:07:49.020 high for that year i think

01:07:50.340 was the highest it's ever

01:07:51.220 been and you can see that

01:07:52.780 50 percent of that is to

01:07:54.900 do with students and

01:07:56.380 find and sorry just to

01:07:57.660 say as well you know

01:07:58.500 when you add 2020 to

01:08:00.040 2021 the fact that that

01:08:02.020 that's over half a

01:08:03.860 million in a period when

01:08:05.480 we were all locked in our

01:08:06.700 homes not allowed out yeah

01:08:09.100 you know yeah i mean you

01:08:11.440 can also see why throughout

01:08:13.180 the 2010s chester was okay

01:08:14.840 chester was english because

01:08:16.880 student migration wasn't as

01:08:19.040 significantly high as it was

01:08:20.600 until after covid which

01:08:22.040 explains why when i went to

01:08:23.680 university in 2020 and

01:08:25.000 came back the city had

01:08:27.380 had became an alien place

01:08:28.680 to me um which is which

01:08:30.360 is heartbreaking really

01:08:31.420 because to me it was like

01:08:32.900 the last beacon of an

01:08:34.280 english city well the only

01:08:36.180 diversity you used to see

01:08:37.420 in chester back in the day

01:08:38.540 and i'm talking about going

01:08:39.520 back 14 years ago at this

01:08:40.920 point is uh there used to

01:08:42.580 be that mad black preacher

01:08:44.020 who would stand on the

01:08:45.320 middle of the street near the

01:08:46.700 i don't remember that near

01:08:47.620 the uh clock tower do you

01:08:49.080 not remember me and my

01:08:50.220 friends used to see him

01:08:50.980 there all the time he

01:08:52.100 would be stood in the

01:08:53.140 middle of the street

01:08:53.860 preaching fire and

01:08:55.060 brimstone and you know

01:08:56.520 what even though we still

01:08:58.760 had major problems with

01:08:59.760 diversity going back to

01:09:00.780 then it was not on the

01:09:01.880 same scale as it is right

01:09:03.600 now it felt like a quaint

01:09:05.880 little bit of eccentricity

01:09:08.320 in the city it's a

01:09:09.620 completely different

01:09:10.480 character to what we have

01:09:11.460 now a video and i was

01:09:12.520 trying to find it for this

01:09:13.780 for this podcast but i

01:09:15.020 couldn't find it for the

01:09:15.820 life of me it's like one

01:09:16.640 of those videos that um

01:09:18.440 get shared online then

01:09:19.760 completely yeah just lost

01:09:20.780 and yeah yeah um and it

01:09:22.320 was this uh indian student

01:09:23.820 at chester bragging that

01:09:25.540 when he goes into his

01:09:26.360 class it's like he's home

01:09:27.460 because he's just

01:09:28.140 surrounded by indian

01:09:29.300 students i believe him

01:09:30.480 brilliant yeah and my

01:09:31.920 friend who studies at

01:09:32.780 chester says while

01:09:33.880 international students at

01:09:35.780 chester make up 20

01:09:36.640 percent of the student

01:09:38.100 population he says um the

01:09:39.980 humanities are dominated by

01:09:41.400 english students but

01:09:42.280 once you go into stem

01:09:43.400 engineering um computer

01:09:46.340 science it's over all the

01:09:48.160 vibe code yeah exactly it's

01:09:50.180 overwhelming what's

01:09:51.900 overwhelmingly indian and

01:09:53.160 nigerian um so between

01:09:55.280 so so as you can see it

01:09:57.540 increased by 66 percent

01:09:59.840 which is a huge number and

01:10:00.900 the majority of these of the

01:10:02.620 students were not from the

01:10:03.600 eu because we had brexit um

01:10:06.000 in 2020 um a majority of

01:10:09.340 these students came from

01:10:10.480 outside the eu and they

01:10:11.920 came primarily from india

01:10:13.340 which is why you see so

01:10:15.180 many indians around at the

01:10:16.700 moment and they also came

01:10:18.020 primarily from nigeria um

01:10:20.560 from the commonwealth yeah

01:10:21.940 just as nigel farage hoped

01:10:23.320 they would yes so in terms

01:10:24.520 of all the universities

01:10:25.440 across britain um

01:10:26.680 international students make

01:10:28.020 up 14 percent but they make

01:10:30.080 up 51 percent of all

01:10:32.280 postgraduate students and i

01:10:33.600 saw that at my own

01:10:34.720 university um up in

01:10:36.440 aberdeen where postgraduate

01:10:38.540 students were just

01:10:39.360 overwhelmingly indian um

01:10:41.400 which was very strange

01:10:42.100 because the majority of of

01:10:43.560 the campus was was

01:10:44.560 scottish people uh there

01:10:46.020 was this one university

01:10:47.040 called rgu um which which

01:10:49.800 is the major i would say a

01:10:51.380 lot of a lot of uh the

01:10:53.820 student population were

01:10:54.620 nigerians so much so that

01:10:56.740 aberdeen has the largest

01:10:58.840 nigerian community within

01:11:00.540 scotland and i'm thinking

01:11:02.120 how on earth are nigerians

01:11:03.420 finding out where aberdeen is

01:11:05.060 it's in the middle of nowhere

01:11:06.000 it's like two hours away from

01:11:07.120 infinesse it's even further to

01:11:08.680 get to edinburgh and glasgow

01:11:10.280 i didn't even know what

01:11:11.260 aberdeen was as a city before

01:11:12.400 i went to study there my

01:11:14.000 question as well would be

01:11:15.300 that how are so many

01:11:16.600 nigerians qualifying for

01:11:18.540 courses in stem yeah well

01:11:21.040 they they qualify for courses

01:11:22.700 in stem because of polytech

01:11:24.200 universities which i just

01:11:25.580 call stupid universities for

01:11:26.940 people who didn't get any

01:11:27.860 good qualifications just

01:11:29.240 accept anybody they're

01:11:30.660 desperate for the money they

01:11:31.600 don't care if you're well

01:11:32.340 educated or not as long as

01:11:34.040 you come here studying and

01:11:35.440 enroll in their classes and

01:11:36.400 give them money you can you

01:11:37.480 stay and that's why a lot of

01:11:39.260 these indian students and a

01:11:40.360 lot of these nigerian students

01:11:41.440 who barely speak english by

01:11:42.640 the way are able to come to

01:11:44.500 these universities and study

01:11:45.860 there um and i've got some

01:11:48.540 more statistics here since

01:11:49.620 2022 half of international

01:11:52.420 students who come here

01:11:53.660 remain after they graduate so

01:11:55.980 they they're working here

01:11:57.080 they're residents here um and

01:11:59.220 65 percent of nigerian students

01:12:01.300 stay in britain um and 45

01:12:03.980 percent of indian students also

01:12:06.100 stay in britain which basically

01:12:07.260 explains explains exactly what's

01:12:08.940 going on with the boris wave

01:12:10.080 um the number of um individuals

01:12:13.420 transferring directly from study

01:12:15.420 visas to health care um to

01:12:18.300 health and care work um rose to

01:12:21.060 560 percent between 2022 and 2023

01:12:24.540 um that's why when you go when

01:12:27.260 you see care homes it's just

01:12:28.260 overwhelmingly nigerian now a lot

01:12:30.080 of these old people and bless their

01:12:31.980 hearts they're going crazy

01:12:32.880 because they can't speak to these

01:12:34.480 nigerian people they have dementia

01:12:35.860 they're ill and they're in these

01:12:37.600 care homes because they need to be

01:12:38.700 looked after and they can't

01:12:39.680 communicate to the people who's

01:12:41.300 supposed to look after them

01:12:42.380 because there's a language barrier

01:12:43.620 and also because these people are

01:12:45.320 just low-skilled workers who've

01:12:46.540 come here on student visas just to

01:12:48.400 work because they earn more money

01:12:49.960 here than they would in their home

01:12:51.280 countries and this explains the

01:12:53.240 recent uh center for migration

01:12:55.440 studies um announcement of the

01:12:57.960 800 000 visas that were issued last

01:13:00.740 year of which only 20 percent of

01:13:02.520 them were for work yeah were for

01:13:04.680 work visas obviously there'll be

01:13:06.220 people coming over on all sorts of

01:13:08.460 visas the vast majority of them

01:13:10.400 looking at that you can see 2024 if

01:13:13.000 we say that 2025 is going to follow

01:13:14.760 the same trend would probably be at

01:13:16.620 least half of them being student

01:13:18.060 visas and those people like you've

01:13:20.060 just said it's not that they're not

01:13:21.520 coming to work they are still going

01:13:23.140 to take work placements they're still

01:13:24.980 going to be affecting the labor

01:13:27.160 market by driving down wages by

01:13:30.420 applying for all of these places but

01:13:32.060 and then then they're likely going to

01:13:34.000 stick around afterwards as well as

01:13:35.320 we're hearing well yeah i mean

01:13:37.100 unemployment amongst young people is

01:13:40.740 16 and over 1 million young people

01:13:43.040 are unemployed i wonder why that is i

01:13:44.700 wonder why people young people who

01:13:46.760 want to work who've come out of

01:13:47.840 university worked hard for a degree

01:13:49.440 can't find work um it's it's not just

01:13:52.260 because everyone's going to

01:13:53.120 university nowadays it's because

01:13:54.320 you're competing with um india and

01:13:56.500 nigeria yeah we're coming over here

01:13:58.180 and will work any sort of job and

01:14:00.380 have an inexhaustible supply of

01:14:02.280 people and it is a lot of these

01:14:04.940 people are going into jobs that

01:14:06.660 previously were the reserve of new

01:14:09.420 starters to the workplace the people

01:14:11.240 starting their employment journeys

01:14:12.800 especially young women would go into

01:14:15.940 care work jobs a lot of young men

01:14:18.700 could work at corner shops for

01:14:21.640 instance but now the corner shops have

01:14:23.320 been monopolized by pakistanis and

01:14:25.320 indians and all of the care work jobs

01:14:27.740 are going to nigerians who don't even

01:14:29.920 really know what they're doing they

01:14:32.200 have more statistics here 54 of

01:14:34.060 nigerians 27 of pakistanis and 27

01:14:37.180 of indians are are working here

01:14:40.140 whilst they study as well and the

01:14:42.220 majority of the work they go into is

01:14:43.940 hospitality so bar jobs um retail health

01:14:47.280 and social care they love to go into

01:14:49.020 that and because they're always hiring

01:14:50.700 so jobs should be reserved for teenagers

01:14:53.020 that's why also when you graduate when

01:14:54.700 when young people are graduating they

01:14:56.200 can't just get graduate jobs they can't

01:14:58.260 even work at a pub and they can't even

01:15:00.220 find work at like look at low skilled

01:15:03.060 positions because it's being

01:15:04.720 overwhelmingly flooded with people who

01:15:07.280 are who will work longer hours who who

01:15:09.740 will work for extremely low pay and

01:15:12.440 because it benefits them in in the

01:15:14.240 countries they've come from and not even

01:15:16.160 to mention the fact that all of these you

01:15:17.700 know extra people obviously contribute to

01:15:20.500 the inflation of the housing market as

01:15:22.180 well yeah so you're you're not able to

01:15:24.580 work in these low-end you know sort of

01:15:26.820 like gateway jobs and then because you're

01:15:29.100 not able to work you're not able to you

01:15:30.820 know escalate into getting a good job and

01:15:32.900 you're not able to buy a home and then

01:15:34.340 even even worse the high streets that

01:15:37.060 normally would have had a lot of these

01:15:38.340 jobs for people to work in retail are no

01:15:41.220 longer how no longer have any of those

01:15:44.020 shops that they could work at because

01:15:45.300 they've all been replaced by phone

01:15:47.700 shops they've all been replaced by

01:15:49.140 Turkish barbers who will only hire their

01:15:51.800 own kind or vape shops half the time as

01:15:55.160 we saw with Glasgow aren't even licensed

01:15:57.940 and they explode and burn down beautiful

01:15:59.960 historical buildings yes that whole

01:16:01.800 building Glasgow is just full of like

01:16:03.280 foreign shops as well yeah so it's a

01:16:05.800 tragedy you know when you let your

01:16:07.000 beautiful buildings and become owned by

01:16:09.780 by foreigners you know this is what

01:16:11.460 happens to them they blow up in flames I

01:16:13.300 think that building in Glasgow should be

01:16:15.940 it's a bad omen just like when the

01:16:19.140 temples in Rome's back down mysteriously

01:16:21.460 and we had not down burning down in a

01:16:24.180 completely complete accident years ago

01:16:28.340 now got some more statistics here so

01:16:30.020 sixteen thousands of those who claimed

01:16:32.420 asylum in 2024 had arrived in the UK

01:16:35.700 students and make up fifteen percent of

01:16:38.260 all asylum claims isn't that interesting

01:16:40.420 so they finish their education and then

01:16:42.580 immediately you claim asylum yeah so they

01:16:44.180 can stay here and they'll say oh I'm

01:16:45.860 from Nigeria you know things aren't so

01:16:48.100 good in Nigeria our government um get me in

01:16:50.500 touch with Kemi my family knows hers yeah

01:16:52.980 exactly um or I'm from Pakistan but I'm a

01:16:56.500 Christian and they oppress us in Pakistan

01:16:58.180 you know they'll say anything basically how

01:17:00.340 many people how many of these people are

01:17:02.020 bringing over dependents as well well well

01:17:04.260 well that's exactly what I was about to go

01:17:06.180 on um how many family members now this is

01:17:10.260 this is insane and this part of this

01:17:12.660 study by Migration Observatory is exactly

01:17:15.380 what I wanted to talk about so I want to

01:17:17.620 start off with um or we'll look at how

01:17:20.020 many people came over in 2023 who brought

01:17:22.660 dependence so the amount of dependence

01:17:24.340 was a hundred and forty three thousand

01:17:27.060 right I wonder how many of those were from

01:17:29.540 America because you get oh oh there you go

01:17:32.980 there you go it was just a bit of a glitch

01:17:34.340 there another go the United States let me

01:17:37.380 click there you go so you know the

01:17:39.140 United States there's a lot of like

01:17:40.660 American professors a lot of American

01:17:42.260 PhD students um because they love this

01:17:45.060 country because of its history um so they

01:17:48.100 go on go on here and go to Britain and

01:17:50.500 they study post-graduates and history and

01:17:52.260 might even have ancestry here yeah and

01:17:54.660 turn to the homeland because I think

01:17:56.420 St Andrews 40 of St Andrews is

01:17:58.980 international but it's not international in

01:18:00.500 terms of Indians and Nigerians because

01:18:02.260 Americans just go there yeah they go there and

01:18:04.100 study and then go back what's more as well

01:18:06.260 though we know better and we know that

01:18:08.500 the actual uh prestige of places like

01:18:10.900 Oxford and Cambridge and St Andrews and

01:18:12.980 all these you know venerable British

01:18:14.740 universities are not what they once used

01:18:16.660 to be that perception hasn't entirely

01:18:19.060 caught up the rest of the world yet either

01:18:21.300 and so they still think so so how so how

01:18:23.380 many were American oh 900 that's not so

01:18:26.660 bad you know in 2022 let's see

01:18:30.180 2023 is what we were comparing against with a

01:18:32.100 high of 140 000 669

01:18:34.900 2024 that's what 2024 is when the

01:18:37.860 government uh introduced restrictions

01:18:39.460 so let's let's let's see China because

01:18:42.100 China they tend to study at like Edinburgh

01:18:44.260 University because they like the prestige of a

01:18:46.100 British university let's see how many

01:18:48.260 dependents that Chinese people bought over

01:18:50.020 it's like they're bringing you

01:18:51.060 um only 800 even less than America if you

01:18:53.620 look at 2023

01:18:55.140 800 again now i wonder how many um dependents is

01:19:00.260 India bringing over let's see here

01:19:04.420 by 59 sorry 30 59 no sorry 39 000 39 000 people

01:19:11.380 compare that to America yeah where it's 900 and

01:19:14.180 compare that to China where it's 800 39 000 they're

01:19:17.620 bringing over and not just their wives that their

01:19:20.020 family the whole their cousins and it's even

01:19:23.140 less for just tell me Nigerian number just get

01:19:25.780 it over with they can't give us oh jesus 60 000

01:19:31.300 2022 53 000 in 2023 so like the whole argument

01:19:36.820 for this is that by having these people come

01:19:39.060 over patronize our university systems that they

01:19:41.940 are an economic boon to the country they are

01:19:44.100 going to add value to our university system and then

01:19:47.860 if they stay they're going to be fully qualified

01:19:50.020 and they're going to add value to our economy

01:19:52.100 they're going to boost gdp blah blah blah but

01:19:54.660 they're bringing over over a hundred thousand

01:19:59.220 exactly and that's why family members to scrounge off of

01:20:02.820 the state system in 2023 oh well it's contributing to our

01:20:06.580 alienation that's in towns and cities i mean also look at

01:20:09.700 this again look how low these numbers are until again when

01:20:13.300 this um when it when it was passed by the main

01:20:16.980 government completely goes boris just goes

01:20:20.020 your wife and kids this is exactly why we're seeing such

01:20:22.820 changes in our cities completely overnight

01:20:25.140 it's because of this is because of student visas and then bringing their

01:20:29.220 dependents over um i've got some statistics here

01:20:32.420 about um how many the portion of international

01:20:36.180 students in um in british universities whereas

01:20:39.700 should be elizabeth sorry just to say as well it's coming towards we've got

01:20:42.820 about 10 minutes left that's all right um yeah so that's okay

01:20:47.460 um so so here look at this university college

01:20:50.820 olendon 61 university of hebertshire i've not even

01:20:53.620 heard of i mean i've heard of that place

01:20:56.980 but i haven't heard of this university because it's it's

01:21:00.340 those it's it's a polytech basically 62 percent

01:21:04.100 um even like the whistle group university is significantly high now

01:21:07.540 i've got a statistic here which isn't on here um from a university that i've never

01:21:11.780 heard of which is apparently in london called

01:21:13.780 university of roehampton 43 percent of uh

01:21:18.980 of students at that university are international

01:21:22.340 so i decided um i'm gonna look up to see what they're

01:21:25.060 how are half the students in in edinburgh i think that's chinese students

01:21:29.380 chinese students love edinburgh and so they make up a significant portion

01:21:33.300 but they go home that's the thing yeah just here for the prestige

01:21:36.820 uh ulster university the second second university

01:21:39.700 in northern ireland outside of belfast um 43 percent like the whole of

01:21:43.860 londonderry or dary okay if you're an irish fenian in the chat

01:21:47.220 um londonderry's becoming like indian overnight basically

01:21:52.020 uh maybe that will wake up the ira who knows um but this is a photo of a

01:21:57.700 graduation at the university of roehampton

01:22:00.740 i i can't even spot an english person in here i can't even spot in east asia never

01:22:04.820 mind an english person i think there might be one one blonde head maybe that's i don't know

01:22:09.540 might be a hijab it's the stoic face on this lady as well it's like what the

01:22:15.860 hell that's that's what university i graduated from that's the feeling of a

01:22:19.140 person who's gone through university and desperately trying not to come out

01:22:22.900 racist yeah now i will say the situation is so

01:22:26.660 bad at these universities that several universities such as chester

01:22:30.340 have had to halt immigration from areas such as bangladesh and pakistan due to

01:22:35.060 language barriers and then being the students being denied

01:22:38.820 visas despite being accepted into the university which shows

01:22:42.100 how low the university standards are and students going on to enroll

01:22:45.940 not enroll in courses once they arrive in britain and back in 2024 the daily

01:22:50.260 mail estimated that some of a hundred thousand

01:22:53.460 foreign students were gone missing and every year

01:22:56.820 the majority can you guess every year can you guess

01:22:59.460 uh what country the majority came from that just went missing when they got here

01:23:04.100 i don't know i think i think it's like america or china maybe even australia is it

01:23:08.340 india or nigeria it's india it's india imagine my shock 39

01:23:12.340 of um universities recorded students have failed to attend classes while there's

01:23:17.060 18 of recorded students violating the working conditions of their

01:23:21.380 thesis so going on to half longer hours folks

01:23:26.020 this is a this is a call right now you need to stop ordering through deliveroo

01:23:32.740 right you need to stop it you if you're going to get takeaway

01:23:37.940 pick it up yourself or make it even better stop being lazy you know

01:23:42.260 if you like foreign food fine buy a cookbook you have the recipes so buy a

01:23:46.740 cookbook do it yourself stop patronizing these

01:23:50.980 services that exist to give benefit employer to employ

01:23:55.780 illegal foreigners yeah you're mostly students as as we've discovered now here

01:24:01.220 is the may government's plan on boosting international students that was

01:24:06.020 published in 2019 i talked about at the start of the

01:24:09.220 podcast but there's a really interesting quote in here

01:24:12.180 and that i'd like to like to talk about i mean

01:24:15.380 what they're saying here is it's basically like for what i call

01:24:18.180 fortiganism um named after fortigan um the the

01:24:21.940 the supremious terrenius of the britons himself where he sells out the britons uh to

01:24:27.540 um to hengis and horser to uh two foreigners because he fell in love with

01:24:31.140 hengis's daughter um and led to his people becoming a

01:24:34.420 minority because he was so self-interested and this is basically what

01:24:37.620 this is a great example of fortiganism you know selling out your whole country

01:24:41.060 so you you can universities can gain the money

01:24:43.780 and you can look good on an international stage spreading education to all these

01:24:48.180 uh foreign places now when she was challenged on the boris wave i believe

01:24:52.900 was it priti patel basically used the nhs and universities as the excuse she

01:24:58.900 tried to turn it back on the interviewer who was asking her about this i forget

01:25:02.340 who the interviewer was sorry but she was saying what would you have rather the

01:25:05.860 nhs and the universities collapsed

01:25:08.820 yeah yeah yeah i mean i mean yeah the universities should collapse there should

01:25:14.020 be fewer universities and politics should completely disappear

01:25:17.140 the only universities we should be protecting are ancient universities so

01:25:21.700 universities that have been historically here in the medieval times like

01:25:24.980 aberdeen for example oxford cambridge edinburgh um and also leading

01:25:30.340 universities where the output is actually good rather than these

01:25:33.620 polytechs which are just designed for

01:25:35.620 people who have not done well in school to get a qualification now there's a quote

01:25:38.740 here that i i like i like to read out

01:25:41.300 um by uh the the former vice chancellor of liverpool university

01:25:46.100 and the president of um universities uk i mean it doesn't surprise me she comes

01:25:50.180 from liverpool um although i love liverpool very much

01:25:52.980 but the people who go to that do you go to liverpool university tend to be

01:25:56.020 extremely woke because they think liverpool is like the bristol of the north

01:25:58.900 which which it which it isn't to me um i strongly

01:26:02.980 there's so much cope in those

01:26:06.820 anyway admire your optimism i strongly welcome the publication of this

01:26:11.060 strategy as a signal of a change in direction i particularly welcome the

01:26:15.380 ambitious target to grow the numbers of international students to

01:26:18.820 600 000 by 2030 which sends a strong message of welcome

01:26:24.260 international students contribute a huge amount to the uk

01:26:27.620 not only economically but also by enriching the international education

01:26:31.220 environment in our universities for all students

01:26:33.860 while their presence in the uk is worth an estimated 26 billion

01:26:38.100 indirect and knock-on effects sustaining over 200 000 jobs

01:26:42.340 in all parts of the uk they bring much wider benefit to our

01:26:46.340 academic and civic communities yeah they bring up they bring so much value to our

01:26:50.660 academic communities that they're literally disappearing

01:26:53.220 when they get to britain so they can go so they so they can work

01:26:56.260 and gain residence here residency here this is this is our

01:27:00.740 highly intelligent uh academics that we're bringing well i mean if you if

01:27:04.980 you're existing in the in a business model for your university in which you're

01:27:09.060 having to employ you know to sorry not employed but you know to bring in 70 to

01:27:13.380 50 percent foreign students to prop it up that is a failed model yeah maybe your

01:27:17.780 university shouldn't exist yes yeah it should go or should be massively

01:27:23.140 downsized at the very least if there are so few people to fill up those

01:27:27.540 courses maybe those courses you just shouldn't run them this is what i'll end

01:27:31.540 on imagine how beautiful chester could still be if chester university didn't

01:27:36.100 exist you know and they're expanding too they've got uh campuses in shoesbury in

01:27:41.780 beck and head goodbye to the county the beautiful

01:27:44.820 county city of shoesbury thanks to chester university we can fit so

01:27:47.940 many more nigerians in here quick we need as many nigerians as possible

01:27:52.980 we need to import northern and southern nigerians and then put them on the same

01:27:57.060 campus and recreate nigeria there and then the fireworks then we don't have to

01:28:01.220 travel we'll have the whole world on our doorstep well um well elizabeth

01:28:05.940 thank you for crafting such a perfectly blackpilling low to see a segment

01:28:10.180 yeah you've really you really got it done can i have the mouse please

01:28:15.300 so we've got two more rumble rents uh one from sigil stone

01:28:18.980 both from sigil stain in fact saying you're going to want to get on rumble's

01:28:22.260 ass because the rants payment system isn't working except through the rumble

01:28:25.300 app which uses google's payment system uh that sounds really annoying thank you for

01:28:29.540 sending in the rants anyway i know we've only been getting rants from

01:28:32.900 sigil stone and ocidore ocidore i never know how to say it properly

01:28:37.620 either way so thank you both for going through the hassle if that's what you're

01:28:40.660 having to go through today and sigil stone again says imagine being a

01:28:43.940 migrant could never moving to england for the promise of beautiful women and

01:28:47.780 meeting a british to british tooth cockney bar slag instead

01:28:52.660 hey oh dartman handsome fancy you go with me gosh that's what they're into

01:28:58.660 this is slander this is slander against english women they're not

01:29:04.740 all crooked teeth cockney bar slags there are plenty of those but they don't even

01:29:10.020 live in london anymore frankly they've all been replaced and it breaks my heart

01:29:14.740 do we have any video comments samson

01:29:18.820 i can't hear you sam no sorry sam not today all right let's go through like two or

01:29:23.700 three for each of the segments uh so from mine uh california refugee says the difference between

01:29:29.300 japan and england is japan that had uh atoya uh yamaguchi and you britain had the fabian

01:29:36.100 society i think i know who you're referring to there uh and also from my segment lord

01:29:42.020 inquisitor hector x says samurai maxing is back on the menu boys never left mate never left okay

01:29:48.980 yeah i also like his japan saying it's uh shows it's easier to survive two nukes than democrat

01:29:54.820 policy reminds me of that meme we've seen that meme of the fat weeaboo holding the samurai sword

01:29:58.900 i have that's the that's the revival of the japanese

01:30:04.580 uh so zesty king is not fat glad to hear it bro considering spain has a 101.6 debt to gdp ratio

01:30:15.380 at minimum brilliant that's that's an amazing i don't normally believe um like gdp is a great

01:30:22.580 measure of societal success but debt to gdp can be good indicator in a good indicator and that's bad

01:30:29.940 that's really bad uh they can't really afford to be doing this looks like they're trying to compete

01:30:35.060 with france and britain to see who can go bankrupt first well that is the problem and i think that's a

01:30:40.260 big disincentive as well for european countries to get involved in the war in iran right now if it

01:30:45.700 carries on if it carries on because the figures that i've heard is that it's currently costing

01:30:50.420 america a billion dollars a day frankly european countries just cannot afford that they cannot so

01:30:57.940 that's going to be a huge disincentive for them michael trey burblis sounds like the eu just blinked

01:31:02.900 too many countries now voting for eu skeptic parties i hope these countries that decide to leave

01:31:07.700 they're under no obligation to pay any fines to the eu because what does the eu plan to do to enforce

01:31:13.540 it and i will read one more from then scotty of swindon i love how much we're told that foreign

01:31:19.540 influence in democracy is bad until it becomes about stopping the quote unquote far right at which point

01:31:25.380 wealthy and powerful people who were told are bad until they start funding anti-right-wing initiatives

01:31:29.940 get really smug about their participation very true i would not trust alex carp if people wonder why

01:31:36.340 myself and many people are very skeptical of palantir it's not just the misuse of lord of

01:31:41.700 the rings terms it's not just the surveillance state aspect of it it's also the fact that literally one

01:31:47.860 of the weirdest and most unhinged seeming guys in politics is at the head of it and that some people

01:31:55.540 on the online right seem to just be won over by the fact that you can do a handstand live on stage it's

01:32:01.620 like brilliant politics guys you are literally in pigeons looking at shiny objects the masses

01:32:10.260 and i'm not saying that's any of you guys but i've seen a few people who i would contend

01:32:14.980 are paid shills on social media doing that sort of thing like oh my god so based these are my

01:32:20.740 comments yeah yeah assess the king is not fat said when i was at university a few years ago some

01:32:26.820 hong kong students put up their flag in their windows to show solidarity with the protests

01:32:31.860 happening then the chinese students got mad and the university banned all displays of the hong kong

01:32:36.660 flag on campus i wonder what university that is that's really interesting um maybe it was edinburgh

01:32:41.780 i wouldn't be surprised um but yeah i mean china's china's got to be a huge patron of british universe

01:32:48.100 say i will say with china um when they they have a lot of they have these institutions called confucius

01:32:53.860 in the institute where they put them on university campuses so there was one at aberdeen and um they're

01:33:01.460 not there to to sort of that to show british students like look how great china is uh engage

01:33:11.300 in our culture um we can celebrate chinese new year no they're there to make sure that the chinese

01:33:16.100 students are in check is what i've had so um we we kind of still need to be cautious of east asian

01:33:23.780 uh student visas because they come here and set up these institutes i mean one of the big big problems

01:33:28.740 with china that everybody should be worried about is just like uh general international subversion

01:33:34.500 and stealing of our secrets they a lot of them might just be spies well that's what that's what

01:33:38.980 people are saying with these institutes they're saying a lot of them are actually spies um russian

01:33:44.100 garbage human and says here 95 of universities deserve closure they are battery farming international

01:33:50.820 students for profit keeping the whistle group like red bricks but that's about it don't get me started

01:33:55.860 on the propaganda outlets for the natives they have become uh pet petri dishes of petrol what the

01:34:02.660 hell is that like an indian dish no it's like a science did you never did you never do like biology

01:34:11.700 when you're in school petri dish is like the experimental dish that has the that you can put

01:34:16.900 substances in see how they react the humanities for my my my strongest topic um dishes of marxists

01:34:23.940 yeah actually no he makes a good point i think that's all that we've got time for i will just

01:34:29.380 read the honorable mention from michael trey belvis while listening to today's podcast makes me want

01:34:33.060 to watch something less of a downer like harry's stonewall documentary that's right watch it now

01:34:38.340 folks oh no jesus christ yeah uh like i've said before i completely forgot most of the research that

01:34:46.020 i've done for it obviously exists in the back of my mind to an extent but re-watching it before we

01:34:50.340 released it i was like god this is messed up this is really messed up and what better reason for you

01:34:57.860 at home to watch it please go to the website remember uh we've got chronicles for our premium

01:35:03.060 subscribers premium subscribers can watch the stonewall myth my documentary and you can also

01:35:08.660 go back and find carl's documentary the death of man which is also done very well on the website

01:35:13.300 that's a kind of examination investigation into modernity and you can also if you're subscribed

01:35:19.220 get tickets for lotus eaters live 11th of april this year in swindon be there and you get to see

01:35:27.060 us live you might get to see uh quite a few exciting things with that thank you very much luca thank you

01:35:33.380 for joining us today liz it's been a pleasure i've been your host harry take care

The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - March 11, 2026

The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1372

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